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THE MEETING.[CALL TO ORDER]
THE OCTOBER 1ST MEETING OF THE TACHIP MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY WILL COME TO ORDER.UM, WE'LL START WITH INTRODUCTIONS, STARTING WITH DEBBIE ON THE LEFT, ON THE RIGHT.
HI, I'M DEBBIE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT.
JEN BENSHAW, TOWNSHIP ENGINEER.
JOE BRESNAN, AUTHORITY MEMBER.
KEN HUGHES, MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY.
UH, ZACH SIVERTON, UH, TOWNSHIP SOLICITOR.
UM, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT.
WE CAN'T DO ANY OF IT IN 10 WEEKS.
THIS IS ALL, THIS IS INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY.
WANNA SAY ANYTHING?
WE CAN'T APPROVE THE AUTHORITY MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING EITHER.
[3. Receive updates on current and pending water/sewer projects ]
UM, LET'S GET RIGHT INTO THE ACTION DISCUSSION ITEMS. AND THE FIRST ONE IS RECEIVING UPDATES ON CURRENT AND PENDING WATER SEWER PROJECTS.WHO'S GONNA DO THAT? JEN OR NOT? YEP.
THE PROJECTS ARE THE SAME STATUS AS THEY WERE LAST MONTH.
UM, WE'RE PREPARING THE BID DOCUMENTS FOR LINFIELD TRAP AND SPROUSE CIRCLE, SANITARY SEWER EXTENSION, AND, UM, YEAH.
[4. Update from Authority Engineer on the 2026 MS4 Annual Status Report ]
UPDATES FROM UNIS - FROM THE AUTHORITY ENGINEER ON THE 2026 MS4 STATUS REPORT.TIM, I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT YOU WANT.
TOM SAID THAT HE WAS GONNA SPEAK TO, UH, MARK SUBMITTED THE REPORT.
SO THE ANNUAL SUMMARY REPORT, THE MS4, THAT GOT FILED.
IT'S DUE AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER.
UM, THAT INCLUDED THE GREENWOOD AVENUE STREAM BANK STABILIZATION PROJECT, CLOSE OUT PAPERWORK.
AND IT ALSO INCLUDED THE INSPECTION THAT DEP PERFORMED IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, SO 2025, WHERE THEY INSPECTED THE GREENWOOD AVENUE PROJECT AND THEY ALSO CAME TO THE TOWNSHIP TO LOOK AT THE, UM, PUBLIC, UH, EDUCATIONAL MATERIAL THAT THE TOWNSHIP DOES.
AND THEY WALKED AROUND THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY ALSO WITH DON KELLY AND LOOKED AT STORAGE AND DISPOSAL AND THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES.
AND THEY WERE HAPPY WITH ALL SIX ITEMS. SO THAT'S A POSITIVE.
UM, THERE WERE NO RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT MEETING.
SO NOW THAT THE ANNUAL REPORT IS SUBMITTED, UM, WE WILL WAIT.
THEY'LL REVIEW IT AND SIX MONTHS MAYBE WE MIGHT HEAR SOMETHING BACK.
AND AGAIN, TYPICALLY IT'S JUST COMMENTS.
UM, THEY'LL SAY, "OH, WE PREFER FORMATTING DIFFERENTLY OR MAYBE CHANGE, CHANGE THE WAY YOU'RE DOING THIS NEXT YEAR IN THE CYCLE." UM, THIS WILL BE THE LAST REPORT, QUOTE UNQUOTE, UNDER THE EXISTING MS4 PERMIT.
AND NOW WE JUST SIT AND WAIT UNTIL DEP, UM, ADOPTS THE NEXT CYCLE.
THEY SAID THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN IN 2026.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR JEN ABOUT THAT? HEARING NONE, WE
[5. Review proposed 2027 Stormwater Fund Budget as reviewed by the MA working committee ]
WILL MOVE ON TO, EXCUSE ME, THE PROPOSED 2027 STORMWATER FUND BUDGET, UH, AS REVIEWED BY THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY WORKING GROUP.UH, BRIAN, ARE YOU DOING OR TIM, YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? NO, THE TWO PEOPLE ON THE WORKING GROUP WERE BILL CASPER AND, UM, J - UM, JOHN.
SO, BUT THEY DID HAVE SOME INPUT.
UM, BRIAN PUT SOME OF THIS TOGETHER, UM, FOR CONSIDERATION FOR A, UH, A BUDGET.
UM, THIS WOULD PR - IF, IF WE WERE TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS AND THE BOARD WANTED TO INCORPORATE THIS, THIS WOULD, UM, UH, INSTITUTE A, UM, STORMWATER FEE.
AND I THINK WE, UH, ZACH, ZACH WAS AT ONE OF OUR MEETINGS TO KINDA NAVIGATE THE VERY AMBIGUOUS SUPREME COURT DECISION THAT WE GOT.
AND WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE, UH, MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY MANAGER FROM, UH, WARMINSTER AND WE KINDA USED SOME OF THEIR LOGIC IN KINDA REFINING THE FEE STRUCTURE.
AND SO BASED ON SOME OF THAT INFO, UH, WE PUT TOGETHER A, UM, BUDGET, WHICH WAS PRETTY MUCH, UH, BASED ON THE FORMULA THAT WE HAD FOUR YEARS AGO BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT CAME DOWN WITH SOME CHALLENGES.
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UH, I THINK WE'RE ON SOLID GROUND AND I'LL LET BRIAN GO OVER A LITTLE BIT THE DETAILS ON HOW WE CAME UP WITH SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE NUMBERS.ARE WE OPERATING UNDER THE PREMISE OUT OF THE BOX THAT IT WOULD APPLY TO NONPROFITS OR THAT BASED ON THE RULING IT MIGHT BE ATTACHED SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE APPLIED TO - NO, IT'LL BE A FEE.
UM, ONE THING WE WERE S - UH, SURPRISED AT, UM, I- IS THAT WARMINSTER, UH, KEPT THEIR, UH, KEPT THE FEE IN PLACE FOR, UH, NONPROFITS.
THEY HAVE SOME SIZABLE NONPROFITS.
THEY HAVE THE CENTENNIAL SCHOOL DISTRICT, THEY HAVE CHRIST HOME.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE, IF YOU'VE HEARD OF ANNE'S CHOICE.
A LOT OF THOSE ARE NONPROFITS AND NONE OF THEM HAVE RAISED ANY OBJECTIONS.
AND I THINK WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT IF YOU DID RAISE AN OBJECTION, UM, IT'S NOT, NOT WORTH THE LEGAL COSTS TO CHALLENGE IT.
SO, UM - YEAH, I THINK THAT THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'D HAD WAS THAT WE'RE AUTHORIZED TO IMPOSE A FEE.
I THINK THAT WE IMPOSE THE FEE.
WE TRY AND MAKE IT MORE SPECIFIC BASED ON KIND OF THE COMMENTARY THAT WAS IN THAT DECISION.
AND TO THE EXTENT WE RUN INTO A CHALLENGE, WE RUN INTO A CHALLENGE AND WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE THEM ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS AND WHETHER IT'S WORTH, UM, YOU KNOW, FIGHTING IT OR HOW WE WANT TO ADDRESS IT.
AND I THINK WE, UNLIKE WARMINSTER, WE ONLY HAVE, WHAT, 1%, BRIAN? WE DID A, A CHECK ON THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY NONPROFITS, SO.
DO YOU WANNA - YEAH, YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH THE - YEAH.
SO WITH THE IDEA OF DEVELOPING A FEE STRUCTURE, WE NEED A NUMBER TO BACK INTO, AND WE TOOK A, A DETAILED LOOK THROUGH THE, UM, ABOUT THE LAST EIGHT TO 10 YEARS WORTH OF BUDGETS.
UM, AND WE ANNUALLY INCUR VARIOUS, UH, CAPITAL COSTS AND OPERATING EXPENSES RELATED TO MANAGING STORMWATER IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
UM, THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET RESULTS IN A BOTTOM LINE NUMBER OF ABOUT 1.25 MILLION DOLLARS ANNUALLY THAT WE CAN GENUINELY ACCOUNT FOR, UM, BASED ON PRIOR YEARS EXPENDITURES.
UM, EVERY YEAR WE DO TWO, ONE, ONE, TWO OR THREE ROAD PAVING PROJECTS.
UM, AND THESE ARE ALL, UM, INFLATION ADJUSTED COSTS.
SO FOR EACH YEAR, WE USE THE ENGINEERING NEWS RECORDS, UH, CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX, WHICH WORKED OUT TO ABOUT 3.25% ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2018, WHICH IS THE OLDEST PROJECT WE HAVE ON HERE.
UM, AND INFLATING THOSE COSTS, WE COME UP WITH AN ANNUAL, UM, AMOUNT OF $147,000 FOR, UH, ROAD PAVING PROJECTS THAT ARE DIRECTLY RELATED TO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
USUALLY WHEN WE DO A ROAD PROJECT, WE REPLACE ALL THE INLET TOPS, UH, AND STORMWATER MANHOLES IF THEY'RE, UH, IN NEED OF REPAIR.
THE SECOND ONE, THE SECOND CATEGORY, CATEGORY B IN YOUR, IN YOUR DOCUMENT IS, UM, STORMWATER CULVERTS.
JUST ABOUT EVERY YEAR, WE'VE HAD A STORMWATER CULVERT FAIL SOMEWHERE, WHETHER IT WAS CIDER MILL ROAD, SUMMIT AVENUE, ASHENFELDER ROAD, FRUIT FARM ROAD, UH, GUMS ROAD, KEOKUK, AND CURRENTLY HOPWOOD ROAD IS IN, THE HOPWOOD ROAD CULVERT IS IN FAIRLY BAD SHAPE AND IN NEED OF SOME STRUCTURAL REPAIR.
UM, LOOKING BACK AT THOSE OVER THE PAST, UH, SINCE 2018, IT COMES OUT TO AN ANNUAL, ANNUALIZED COST OF $215,000.
CATEGORY C JUST INCLUDES STORMWATER PIPE REPAIR AND ONE OR TWO, UM, STORMWATER SYSTEM EXPANSION PROJECTS.
COMES OUT TO A $228,000 IN ANNUALIZED COSTS.
WE ALSO CONSIDERED SOFT COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE VARIOUS PROJECTS, UH, VARIOUS MS4 UNFUNDED MANDATES, INCLUDING THE FIVE-YEAR PERMIT, UH, PROJECT THAT JEN JUST REFERRED TO WHERE WE DID THE STREAM BANK STABILIZATION, UM, PUBLIC WORKS LABOR FOR THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, AND THE, UH, UM, STREETS DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND THEN WE LOOKED AT ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSES, WHICH IF THE BOARD WERE TO ULTIMATELY PUT A FEE INTO EFFECT, UM, WE HAVE A MEMO- MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH THE TAX COLLECTOR TO COLLECT, UM, THE FEE, UH, AND SHE WOULD CHARGE US $1 PER PROPERTY FOR EACH BILL THAT SHE SENDS OUT ANNUALLY.
WE DID BUILD IN A 20% CONTINGENCY, UM, IN THE EVENT THAT THE BOARD WANTS TO BORROW TO DO A LARGER STORMWATER PROJECT, UM, UH, FOR DEBT SERVICE OR THERE ARE ADDITIONAL UNFUNDED MS4 MANDATES.
UH, IT COULD ALSO BE USED TO PURCHASE, UM, EQUIPMENT AND, UM, VEHICLES THAT PUBLIC WORKS USES TO MAINTAIN THE COLLECTION SYSTEM.
UH, AND THAT ROUNDS IT OUT JUST TO ABOUT A $1.25 MILLION ANNUALLY THAT WE CAN ACCOUNT FOR BEING EXPENDED ON STORMWATER RELATED PROJECTS.
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A, AS AN AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD EXPENSE, YOU KNOW, IS THERE AN ESTIMATED COST FOR THE AVERAGE HOMEOWNER? I BELIEVE THE FEE THAT WAS PROPOSED BEFORE, I, JEN, YOU MIGHT RECALL, WAS BASED ON A MILLION DOLLAR PER YEAR BUDGET, AND THE FEE WAS - IT WAS $52 ANNUALLY FOR ONE ERU, BUT 80% OF THE PROJECT, OR I'M SORRY, 80% OF THE PARCELS IN THE TOWNSHIP WERE EITHER A HALF IN ERU, SO $26 FOR THE FULL ERU AT $52.AND AS BRIAN SAID, IT WAS BASED OFF OF A $1 MILLION, UM, BUDGET.
SO IF YOU ADJUSTED UP 6250? YEAH.
AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO ALSO, WE HAVE TO UPDATE THE MAPPING.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO UPDATE ANY OF THE PARCELS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE PREVIOUSLY, BUT WE NEED TO ADD IN THE NEW PARCELS SINCE 2020.
UM, I'M, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER, UM, FROM BEFORE, UH, WERE TOWNHOUSES IN THE SAME, UH, CATEGORY AS SINGLE FAMILY DETACH? UH, WAS IT ALL, ALL AWASH OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT THERE? UM, AS FAR AS THE FEE GOES, IT'S BASED ON IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE ON THE PARCEL.
REGARDLESS OF THE USE, JEN? REGARDLESS OF THE USE.
AND, UH, ZACH, I GUESS, AND, AND YOU GUYS TOO.
UH, YOU THINK ALL OF THESE CATEGORIES BASED ON, ON THE COURT DECISION WOULD, WOULD BE OKAY? YEAH, WE HAD, WE HAD, I HAD PREPARED AN ESTIMATE, UH, MAYBE FIVE YEARS AGO AT THIS POINT, AND SOME THAT, UH, SOME OF THOSE, UH, COSTS AND EXPENSES WE STRUCK FROM THAT LIST BASED ON ZACH'S RECOMMENDATION OF THE, OF THE, UH, SUPREME COURT - PENNSYLVANIA SUPREME COURT DECISION.
ONE OF THEM WAS STREET SWEEPING, I THINK - YES.
I MEAN, A- AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, THE DECISION THAT CAME DOWN FROM THE COURT HONESTLY DIDN'T GIVE A TON OF GUIDANCE.
UH, THIS IS AUTHORIZED UNDER A DIFFERENT STATUTE THAT, THAT WAS AT ISSUE IN, UH, THE WESTCHESTER CASE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENCES, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK READING BETWEEN THE LINES AND KIND OF READING AS TO WHAT SOME OF THE, THE JUSTICES WERE SAYING, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO TAKE OUT SOME OF THE, I GUESS, SOFTER COSTS, TREE PLANTING, STREET SWEEPING, EVEN THOUGH I THINK THOSE ARE LEGITIMATE THINGS TO BE DONE DURING A, FOR A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE WERE SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT BY THE COURT.
SO I, I THINK TO ATTEMPT TO PUT A MORE DEFENSIBLE S - UH, PROGRAM IN PLACE, IT MAKES SENSE TO REMOVE THOSE AT THIS TIME UNTIL WE GET MORE DIRECTION FROM THE COURT THAT THAT TYPE OF, UH, ACTIVITY IS SUPPORTED.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, UH, REALLY UNTIL WE GET FURTHER GUIDANCE FROM THE COURTS, WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING FOR SURE.
SO IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, WE MAY JUST HAVE TO PUT THE PROGRAM IN PLACE AND, AND DEAL WITH ISSUES AS THEY ARISE.
AND IF SUBSEQUENT DECISIONS COME OUT, WE MAY HAVE TO TWEAK THE PROGRAM.
AND WE MAY GET CHALLENGES, AND WE'LL JUST, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS THEM AS THEY COME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM ANYBODY? NO, I'D JUST ADD THAT, UM, WE, WE DID THIS, YOU KNOW, ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO AND UPDATED IT MORE CURRENTLY.
UM, I, I THINK IT IS A FAIRLY COMPREHENSIVE SNAPSHOT OF THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE EXPENDITURES THAT WE HAVE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS FOR STORMWATER RELATED PROJECTS.
UM - NOW, IF WE HAD A QUORUM, WE WOULD HAVE SOME DISCUSSION.
[6. Consider recommending to the Board of Supervisors a proposed 2027 Stormwater Budget for incorporation into the 2027 Township Operating and Capital Budget ]
GUESS WE CAN'T MOVE ON.WE CAN'T, UH, DO ANYTHING WITH THE NEXT ITEM BECAUSE WE, UNLESS YOU JUST WANNA DISCUSS ANYTHING, UH, CAN'T MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OR DECISION, SO.
BUT I WOULD LIKE MAYBE IF YOU GO ON THE RECORD, EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN'T MAKE A MOTION, UH, UM, DO YOU FEEL WE'RE ON THE MARK? DO YOU HAVE CONCERNS? 'CAUSE WHAT I WAS GONNA SUGGEST THAT WE MAY HAVE TO HAVE A, A SPECIAL MEETING, UM, BEFORE THE BOARD STARTS DELIBERATING ON ITS BUDGET, BECAUSE I THINK THEY WOULD BE LOOKING AT A RECOMMENDATION, SO.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE WAY THE ARTICLES WERE WRITTEN, UH, JOE, I THINK IS THAT IT WOULD GO THROUGH A, A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE BODY, SO.
YEAH, THE, THE, WHEN THE ARTICLES WERE AMENDED TO ACCOMMODATE THE STORMWATER FEES, FOLLOWING UP ON JOE'S COMMENTS AT THE LAST MEETING, I TOOK A LOOK AT THOSE, UM, AND I HAD FURTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH JOE ABOUT IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE AUTHORITY REALLY ISN'T AUTHORIZED TO ADOPT THE STORMWATER FEE.
THEY CAN MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WHO THEN WOULD ADOPT IT.
UM, SO REALLY, IF WE GET THE RECOMMENDATION OR IF WE GET AN INCLINATION FROM THE, THE AUTHORITY THAT THEY'RE LEANING IN ONE DIRECTION OR THE OTHER, WE CAN START PUTTING THAT TOGETHER AND, AND SEE IF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WANTS TO, WANTS TO ADOPT IT OR NOT.
AND BRIAN DID DO A KIND OF A TRIAL RUN WITH THE BOARD.
IT, IT WAS OUR FIRST, FIRST WORKSHOP.
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KIND OF TIED INTO THE FACT THAT WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF CHANGING HOW WE DO OUR SEWER BILLING.UH, WE'RE GONNA BE MO- MOVING THE SEWER BILLING TO OUR TAX COLLECTOR, UM, RATHER THAN DOING, RATHER THAN RELYING ON BROOKHEIMER TO DO THAT.
SO THE THINKING WAS THAT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO, IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE THAT SWITCH, THAT YOU DO IT TOGETHER RATHER THAN INTRODUCING THE SEWER FEE THIS YEAR AND THEN PUTTING THE STORMWATER FEE NEXT YEAR.
SO, UM, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA GET SOME PUSHBACK EITHER WAY, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA THINK, UM, UM, IT'S JUST GONNA REQUIRE AN EDUCATION.
WE'D RATHER GO OVER, THROUGH THE EDUCATION PROCESS ONCE THAN TWICE, SO.
I, I, I THINK, I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THIS, WITH THE PROPOSED CHARGES, BUT I THINK THIS IS A FLUID SITUATION BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF CLARITY IN THAT DECISION, THERE'S GONNA BE CASES FLYING LEFT AND RIGHT OUT OF COMMONWEALTH COURT - UH-HUH.
THAT ARE GONNA REQUIRE M- MORE TWEAKS THAN YOU WOULD NORMALLY THINK YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I WISH THE SUPREME COURT WAS CLEAR, BUT IT WAS, WHAT WAS THAT, A THREE, THREE, ONE? I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE PUTTING A LOT OF STOCK ON THAT NEUTRAL
YEAH, I MEAN, TH- THAT'S THE ISSUE, IS THAT IT WAS BASICALLY A SPLIT COURT, AND THE DECIDING VOTE WROTE A DECISION AND SAID, "WELL, IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE STREET SWEEPING AND, AND WHATEVER, I, I WOULD GO THE OTHER WAY." SO
LIKE WHAT, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW ARE LOWER COURTS SUPPOSED TO INTERPRET THAT? MM-HMM.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN AND WE GOT WHAT WE GOT.
WE CAN'T REALLY GO BACK TO THE QUARTER.
WE CAN'T GO BACK FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
SO IF, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW I GUESS WE CAN'T VOTE ON IT, BUT LOOKING FOR A SMELL TEST, SO I DON'T KNOW.
WELL, HO- HOPEFULLY WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT THE, UH, OBJECT OF ANY OF THE SUITS THAT MIGHT COME DOWN.
WE'D RATHER JUST FOLLOW SOMEBODY ELSE, I, I THINK.
BUT ANYWAY, ANYTHING MORE, BRIAN, OR ANYBODY? NO, I JUST, I, LIKE THE, THE, UM, THE IMPETUS FOR THIS WAS OUR RECOGNITION OF THE, THE, THE WEDGE OF STORMWATER EXPENSES, YOU KNOW, CONTINUES TO, UH, TO GROW BASED ON E- EVERY YEAR THAT PASSES WE SEEM TO SPEND, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS MY, UM, JUST MY PERCEPTION.
I HAVEN'T DUG DOWN INTO, INTO IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, CULVERTS CONTINUE TO FAIL, THEY BECOME MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE TO REPAIR, AND THERE IS NO FUNDING MECHANISM FOR THESE STORMWATER PROJECTS.
SO THOSE COSTS AND, AND, UH, CAPITAL, CAPITAL COSTS AND OPERATING EXPENSES CONTINUE TO BE BORNE BY THE GENERAL FUND.
YEAH, AND I, I THINK THAT THIS CAME UP AT THE, THE BUDGET WORKSHOP MEETING THAT WE, WITH THE BOARD WHERE ESSENTIALLY THIS IS TAKING COSTS THAT ARE JUST GONNA BE BORNE BY EVERYBODY EQUALLY THROUGH THEIR TAXES AND APPLIES IT BASED ON HOW MUCH IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE YOU HAVE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, TH- THESE ARE COSTS THAT EVERYONE'S GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
AND I THINK IT'S A SHAME THAT THE NONPROFITS DON'T HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE BECAUSE THERE'S, THEIR IMPERVIOUS LOOKS JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE IMPERVIOUS AND THEIR IMPACT IS THE SAME, BUT THAT CAN'T CHANGE IT RIGHT NOW, AS OF RIGHT NOW.
WELL, LOOK AT HARRISBURG, MOST OF THE GOVERNMENT CENTER THERE IS JUST CONCRETE AND THEY, I GUESS TECHNICALLY DON'T HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING FOR THAT.
BUT THEY PUT IN THE SECOND CLASS CUT, SO I MEAN - YEAH.
ALL RIGHT, WELL, I GUESS THERE'S NOTHING ELSE WE CAN DO TO SEE YOU, OTHER THAN ADJOURN THE MEETING OR - THERE WAS ONE OTHER THING, UH, JOE, I S - I GOT YOUR EMAIL ABOUT THE OTHER - OH YEAH.
YEAH, ABOUT THE REGULAR SEWER.
UM, EVIDENTLY OUR ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION ALSO GIVES US, UM, THE, UM, THE AUTHORITY, OR AT LEAST, UH, IT GIVES US THE, UH, TO GIVE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD AND WHETHER OUR SEWER FEES SHOULD BE CHANGED OR UNCHANGED.
I THINK ONE THING IS THAT I THINK THERE WILL BE A, A, UH, PASS THROUGH FROM THE REGIONAL AUTHORITY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY VOTED ON THAT.
I, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO BE AT ONE, ANY OF THEIR MEETINGS? I SURE HAVE.
BUT THEY' LOOKING AT THEIR - YEAH.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT, UM, SOMETHING, SOME TWEAK TO THE, UH, PROCESSING FEE.
IS IT ABOUT - YEAH, WHEN I LAST SPOKE WITH MIKE MCGAHN, UH, A MONTH OR TWO AGO, THAT HE WAS LOOKING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 12 AND $24 ANNUALLY PER EDU.
BUT YOU WOULD STILL HAVE YOUR OWN CONVEYANCE, RIGHT? YES.
UH - THAT TREATMENT, THEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR OWN CONVEYANCE.
FOR TREATMENT, AND WE'RE NOT PROPOSING AN INCREASE IN THE CONVEYANCE CHARGE.
I REMEMBER THE FIRST YEAR THAT I REPRESENTED THE TOWNSHIP.
WE WERE, YOU WERE STILL IN THE HABIT OF HAVING, I THINK IT WAS A JANUARY MEETING OF THE AUTHORITY JUST TO CONFIRM THAT THEY WERE NOT RECOMMENDING ANY INCREASES SO THAT THEY WERE, LIKE, ON RECORD.
OTHERWISE, THEY DIDN'T EVEN MEET BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING REALLY TO MEET ABOUT.
BUT I UNDERSTAND THE AUTHORITY'S MEETING ON THE 13TH OF OCTOBER TO, UH, VOTE ON THAT, UH, TREATMENT CHARGE INCREASE.
WHICH WE WILL PASS THROUGH, SO.
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SO MAYBE WE WAIT UNTIL, MAYBE WE PROBABLY DO NEED A SPECIAL MEETING ANYWAY TO WAIT TO SEE WHAT THE FINAL DECISION IS.SO IS THAT THE 13TH, YOU SAID? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT MIKE, MIKE SAID, THE 13TH.