* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. OKAY, [00:00:02] I'D LIKE TO [CALL TO ORDER / MOTION TO APPROVE SEPTEMBER 16, 2026 AGENDA] CALL THIS MEETING OF THE UPPER PROVIDENCE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER, UM, 'CAUSE SEPTEMBER 16TH. UH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT UP WITH ME TONIGHT SINCE OUR CHAIRMAN'S OFF, SO I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. UM, ALRIGHT. ANY PUBLIC CONTACT. WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA FIRST. OH, AGENDA. AGENDA APPROVAL. ANYONE CARE TO MAKE A MOTION? EVERYONE HAVE A YES. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. OKAY. I'LL, I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. IT'S BEEN MADE AND SECONDED. WE'RE OFF AND RUNNING. OKAY. UM, NOW ANY, [PUBLIC COMMENT FOR NON-AGENDA ITEMS] ANY, UH, COMMENTS AS FAR AS, UH, NON AGENDA ITEMS FROM THE AUDIENCE? OKAY. THANK YOU FOR WAITING FOR THAT. UH, THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. I GOTTA GET OUTTA HERE AFTERWARDS. ANYWAY. HELLO. HELLO. UH, MY NAME'S CHRIS JEFFS, I LIVE IN MONTCLAIR. SO FIRST I WANTED TO THANK THE TOWNSHIP STAFF AND ENGINEER FOR COMING OUT ON THE EIGHTH TO HELP WALK THE DRAINAGE CORRIDOR THAT EXISTS THERE. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT THERE'S REALLY NO SUBSTITUTE FOR SEEING WHERE THE WATER GOES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THAT'S KIND OF MY POINT TONIGHT. STORMWATER DOESN'T CARE ABOUT PROPERTY LINES. WHITAKER IS STILL UNDER REVIEW. SPARES IS STILL UNDER REVIEW. TO THE EXTENT THAT EITHER OF THOSE PROJECTS OR ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT ULTIMATELY DRAINS INTO MONTCLAIR, THE TOWNSHIP NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THE SYSTEM RECEIVING THAT WATER BEFORE ADDITIONAL FLOWS ARE ADDED TO IT. IT'S AN ECONOMICS PROBLEM IS MUCH OF AN ENGINEERING PROBLEM. A DEVELOPMENT CAN MANAGE STORMWATER SUCCESSFULLY ON ITS OWN PARCEL WHILE SUCCESSFULLY SHIFTING COST DOWNSTREAM. FIVE PROJECTS CAN EACH SOLVE THEIR OWN STORMWATER PROBLEM AND STILL CREATE ONE LARGER PROBLEM DOWNSTREAM. IT'S A CLASSIC EXTERNALITY, SO THE ANALYSIS DOESN'T END AT THE PROPERTY LINE. YOU NEED TO ASK WHERE DOES THE WATER GO NEXT? WHAT'S ALREADY GOING THERE? WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE CARRIES IT? WHAT CONDITION IS THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IN? AND WHAT OTHER DEVELOPMENT FEEDS THAT SYSTEM? FOR WHITAKER, THAT MEANS TRACING THE SYSTEM FROM WHITAKER AVENUE, INCLUDING THE OUTLET AT OR NEAR 2 0 2 AND SECOND AVENUE THROUGH THE FOURTH AVENUE CORRIDOR AND DOWNSTREAM WITH RECEIVING POINT SPARES AND ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT. THAT MEANS DETERMINING WHETHER THOSE PROJECTS FEED THE SAME ENC UNCLEAR SYSTEM, INCORPORATING THOSE FLOWS. IF THEY DO, IT'S ALSO A BASIC MAPPING PROBLEM. MY INDEPENDENT REVIEW OF THE TOWNSHIP'S PUBLISHED MS FOUR MAPPING DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND INFRASTRUCTURE THAT PHYSICALLY EXIST IN THE FIELD SHOW SIGNIFICANT MISMATCH. THERE ARE INLETS PIPES OUTFALLS CONVEYING STORMWATER MONTAIR THAT DO NOT APPEAR IN PUBLISHED MAPPING. THE TOWNSHIP'S OWN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS THAT STORMWATER PROGRAM IS REVIEWED AND UPDATED ANNUALLY, INCLUDING UPDATES TO OUTFALL MAPPING. SO THEY THINK THERE'S A STRAIGHTFORWARD QUESTION THAT NEEDS AN ANSWER. IF THE SYSTEM IS BEING REVIEWED AND UPDATED EVERY YEAR, WHY THEIR EXISTING INLETS AND OUTFALLS IN MONTCLAIR ARE STILL MISSING. SOME OF THESE ARE NOT OBSCURE STRUCTURES HIDDEN IN THE WOODS. THEY'RE ASSOCIATED WITH PUBLIC ROADS. WE STOOD NEXT TO SOME OF THEM WITH THE TOWNSHIP REPS ON SEPTEMBER 8TH. MAYBE THE TOWNSHIP HAS A NEWER INTERNAL INVENTORY THAT'S MORE COMPLETE THAN THE PUBLISHED MAP. IF SO, THAT'S GREAT. THEN THAT INVENTORY SHOULD BE RECONCILED WITH WHAT EXISTS IN THE FIELD AND USED IN THESE DEVELOPMENT REVIEWS. BUT IF THESE STRUCTURES ARE ALSO MISSING FROM THE TOWNSHIP'S CURRENT INVENTORY, WE HAVE A BIGGER PROBLEM. A MISSING LINE ON THE MAP DOESN'T MAKE THE PIPE IN LITTER, OUTFALL DISAPPEAR, PRIVATE AND HOA OWNED SYSTEMS MATTER HERE TOO, WHERE PRIVATE OWNERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THEIR OWN STORMWATER FACILITIES. THAT REDUCES THE MAINTENANCE BURDEN ON THE TOWNSHIP. PUBLIC RESOURCES CAN THEN BE DIRECTED TOWARD INSPECTING THE SYSTEM, MAINTAINING PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE STRUCTURE, CORRECTING LEGACY PROBLEMS, AND KEEPING OVERALL INVENTORY CURRENT. THAT'S ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT AS THE TOWNSHIP CONSIDERS FUTURE STORMWATER SPENDING. SO BEFORE DECIDING WHERE SCARED STORMWATER ADOPT WATER DOLLARS SHOULD GO, WE NEED AN ACCURATE INVENTORY OF WHAT WE HAVE. YOU CAN'T EFFICIENTLY MANAGE WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE INVENTORY. THE SEQUENCE SHOULD BE STRAIGHTFORWARD. DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL AS BUILT INFRASTRUCTURE, PRIVATE MAINTENANCE, VERY REQUIRED TOWNSHIP INSPECTION, UPDATED MS FOUR MAPPING. THEN THE NEXT DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, IF THAT MAP BREAKS AND EVERY NEW PROJECT INHERITS THE ERRORS AND OMISSIONS THAT CAME BEFORE. SO MY REQUEST TONIGHT IS SIMPLE. BEFORE WHITAKER SPARES OR ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT TRAINS IN MONTCLAIR ADVANCES, IDENTIFY THE ACTUAL DOWNSTREAM FLOW PATH, IDENTIFY THE INFRASTRUCTURE, CARRYING THAT WATER, RECONCILE WITH THE TOWNSHIP'S CURRENT MS FOUR RECORDS, AND EVALUATE THAT CUMULATIVE BURDEN ON THE RECEIVING SYSTEM. THE TOWNSHIP ALREADY TOOK AN IMPORTANT FIRST STEP BY COMING OUT ON THE EIGHTH AND LOOKING AT WHAT'S THERE. NOW THE ENGINEERING AND THE RECORDS NEED TO CATCH UP WITH WHAT'S GOING ON THE GROUND. IF WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE WATER GOES, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE APPRO. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, WE'LL TAKE THOSE THOUGHTS UNDER ADVISOR. THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT BEING SAID, I THINK WE'RE, [APPLICATIONS TO BE HEARD ON SEPTEMBER 16, 2026] UH, TO THE POINT WHERE WE ONLY HAVE ONE ITEM ON TONIGHT. IT LOOKS SO THEY'RE ALL RIGHT THERE. WHO WOULD LIKE TO START IT OFF? [00:05:03] GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. ALLISON ZARO ON BEHALF OF MAINLINE HOSPITAL, LLC OR MAINLINE HEALTH, AS EVERYBODY COMMONLY REFERS TO 'EM. UH, WE WERE HERE SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, UM, REGARDING THIS PROJECT, BUT I KNOW WE DO HAVE ONE NEW PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER TONIGHT THAT HAS NOT SEEN THIS YET. SO, UM, WE'LL START AT THE BEGINNING, BUT, UH, ESSENTIALLY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT ABOUT A, UH, ATTRACTIVE LAND THAT'S LOCATED ON ARCOLA ROAD AT ITS INTERSECTION WITH ROUTE 29. UM, YOU SEE A RENDERED VERSION OF A PLAN ON THE SCREEN THAT SHOWS THE OUTLINE OF THAT PARCEL. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 42 ACRE TRACT OF LAND. AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, UM, THE SITE, SOUTH MENNONITE ROAD IS AT THE TOP OF IT. THERE IS SOME FRONTAGE ON THAT. ARCOLA IS ON THE BOTTOM AND, UH, COLLEGEVILLE ROAD IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE CLAN. UM, SO MAINLINE HEALTH, UH, IS PROPOSING TO, UM, CONSTRUCT A NEW HOSPITAL IN THE TOWNSHIP ON THIS PARCEL. UM, AND WE APPEARED BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS EARLIER THIS YEAR TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT. UM, THIS PROJECT WOULD REQUIRE, UM, ZONING CHANGES, UM, TO ALLOW HOSPITAL USE ON THIS PROPERTY. THE SITE'S CURRENTLY IN ONE OF THE OFFICE INSTITUTIONAL DIS OR OFFICE DISTRICTS THAT YOU HAVE THE IO DISTRICTS, AND SO THAT YOU HAVE AN INSTITUTIONAL OVERLAY, UH, WHICH WE ARE PROPOSING TO APPLY TO THE SITE AND UTILIZE. UM, WE ALSO FILED A TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN AS WELL AS A CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION, SORT OF PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER SO THAT YOU HAVE DETAILS ABOUT THE PROPOSED PROJECT AND NOT JUST US COMING TO YOU AND SAYING, HEY, WE'D LIKE TO CHANGE SOME THINGS ABOUT THE ZONING WITHOUT DETAILS. UM, AND I WILL HAVE, I WILL INTRODUCE OUR TEAM IN A MINUTE AND HAVE THEM WALK THROUGH, UH, SOME OF THE MATERIALS WE FILED. I KNOW THAT THE, THE PLAN IS STILL IN PROGRESS, SO TO SPEAK. AS WE REFINE THE ACTUAL HOSPITAL PROGRAM FOR THE CAMPUS, WE ARE SORT OF HONING IN MORE ON EXACTLY WHERE THINGS SHOULD GO, WHAT THEY SHOULD BE. SO I DO, I DID WANT TO PUT THAT UP FRONT THAT SOME OF THIS MAY CHANGE OVER TIME. ALSO, THE PLAN THAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW IS A CONTEMPLATED FULL BUILD OUT OF THE SITE. BUT AS WE DISCUSSED WHEN WE WERE HERE PREVIOUSLY, IT IS INTENDED THAT THIS WOULD BE BILLED OUT OVER TIME AND PHASES. IT WOULD. BUT FOR PURPOSES OF THE OVERALL PLANNING OF THE SITE AND DISCUSSION, WE ARE SHOWING A FULL BUILD OUT OF THE SITE. YOUR HONOR, ALLISON, WHEN YOU SAY THE PROGRAM, AND THIS IS STILL A HOSPITAL AS AS WE'VE SEEN AND WE'VE YES. IT'S MORE THE INTERNAL PROGRAM, THE HOSPITAL BUILDING ITSELF, WHATEVER THE INTERNAL YES. IS UP TO THE MAINLINE HEALTH EXACTLY, BUT IT SORT OF DRIVES WHERE THINGS ARE ON THE SITE. OKAY. YEAH, SO OUR, OUR PLANNER WILL EXPLAIN THAT. I THINK WE'RE CHANGING THE, OH, NO, NO, NO. SO, SO OVERALL, AND YOU'LL, YOU'LL HEAR FROM THE TEAM, WE'RE STILL PROPOSING A HOSPITAL, UM, INITIALLY 108 BEDS. UM, INCREASED TO FULL BUILD OUT WOULD BE 256 BEDS. THERE ARE TWO MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDINGS PROPOSED. ONE WOULD BE 80,000 SQUARE FEET, THE OTHER WOULD BE 60,000 SQUARE FEET. UM, AND AS THINGS COME ONLINE, WE THEN CONTEMPLATE THAT STRUCTURED PARKING WOULD BE NEEDED ON THE SITE TO ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THOSE USES. UM, AND I WILL HAVE OUR TEAM WALK THROUGH THAT IN MORE DETAIL. UH, WE HAVE ALSO A DIAGRAM THAT SORT OF SHOWS YOU THINGS, HOW THEY WORK TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, CONCEPTUALLY WITHIN THE HOSPITAL ITSELF. UM, AND THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BY REFINING IT. WE'RE, YOU KNOW, STARTING TO DRILL DOWN ON THE BUILDING ITSELF AND, AND HOW, HOW IT WORKS ALTOGETHER. BUT THE OVERALL PROJECT PROPOSAL IS STILL A HOSPITAL WITH MEDICAL OFFICE. THANK YOU. UM, SO I DO HAVE A FULL TEAM WITH ME TONIGHT. WE HAVE DOUG WILLIAMS, COREY TI, AND, UH, JONATHAN FREBERG FROM MAINLINE HEALTH. LINDSEY BRAIER, WHO IS OUR CIVIL ENGINEER FROM BOWLER ENGINEERING. AND DENISE THOMPSON, WHO IS FROM SCA ARCHITECTS WHO IS HELPING WITH THE HOSPITAL PLANNING AND ARCHITECTURE FOR THE SITE. UM, SO I DO THINK IT PROBABLY MAKES SENSE TO HAVE LINDSAY GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE PLAN AND WALK YOU THROUGH THAT. WE CAN HAVE DENISE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING HEIGHT AND, UM, RELATIONSHIP WISE. WE HAVE MATT HAMMOND, WHO IS OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, WHO I DID NOT MEAN TO LEAVE OUT FROM TRAFFIC PLANNING AND DESIGN. WE HAVE DONE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY AND HE CAN GO OVER WITH YOU, UM, GENERALLY THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS AND WHAT'S PROPOSED. UM, AND THEN I DO HAVE A DRAFT ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT THAT WE'RE HAPPY TO WALK THROUGH WITH YOU SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE WOULD BE PROPOSING TO CHANGE IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THIS DEVELOPMENT. I WILL NOTE WE HAVE RECEIVED A REVIEW LETTER FROM GILMORE AS WELL. UH, THERE ARE COMMENTS IN THERE THAT ARE SORT OF LAND DEVELOPMENT COMMENTS, AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER COMMENTS THAT WE WILL BE [00:10:01] REFINING AND CLEANING UP AS THIS PART OF THE PROCESS. 70, 70 PAGES. YEAH, EXACTLY. GOOD EVENING. I'M LINDSAY BRA WITH BOER, UM, CIVIL ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT. SO, AND THANK YOU ALLISON. THAT WAS A GREAT, UH, OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT. SO IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE PHASE ONE PLAN FOR AS OF RIGHT NOW FOR THIS, THIS SITE I SHOULD NOTE, UM, EXISTING CONDITIONS. UH, THE SITE IS BORDERED BY, UM, APOL ROAD PLAN, SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD, AND THEN MENNONITE SOUTH MENNONITE ROAD. YES, THANK YOU. I'M JUST DRY OFF TO CLEAR CATCH UP WHEN YOU GET TO ANOTHER ONE. OKAY. SO YEP, HERE WE GO. OKAY. SO THAT'S THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE SITE, WHICH I'M SURE YOU GUYS ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH. IT'S JUST, UM, ADJACENT TO THE PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER. UM, SO THE SITE IS, IS FOR THE MOST PART UNDEVELOPED. THERE IS A HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY AND THERE ARE TWO STORMWATER BASINS. THERE IS ONE STORMWATER BASIN THAT IS JUST A, JUST OUTSIDE OF THE, UM, THE CIRCLE AT ARCOLA ROAD. AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER STORMWATER BASIN AT ARCOLA AND COLLEGEVILLE ROAD. BOTH OF THOSE BASINS ARE GOING TO STAY. WE ARE NOT TOUCHING 'EM AT ALL. UM, THERE'S ALSO A STREAM THAT RUNS THROUGH THE PROPERTY AS WELL AT THE VERY NORTH OF THE SITE. UM, AND THERE'S SOME, UH, POCKETS OF WETLANDS ALSO ASSOCIATED WITH THAT STREAM. THANK YOU. UM, SO THIS IS LIKE THE, THIS IS THE NATURAL FEATURES PLAN THAT I WAS JUST DESCRIBING. WE ARE NOT TOUCHING THOSE AREAS EITHER. THAT STREAM WILL REMAIN AS IS IN THE WETLANDS AS WELL. THERE'S ALSO PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL FALL THROUGHOUT THE SITE. THERE'S ABOUT 70 FEET FROM, UM, AR P ROAD DOWN TO MENNONITE ROAD. SO THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT GRADE CHANGE THROUGHOUT THAT EXISTING PROPERTY. OKAY. PHASE ONE. PERFECT. YEP, THAT ONE'S GOOD. OKAY. SO THIS IS, UH, THE PHASE ONE FOR THE PROPERTY. UM, AS FAR AS ACCESS POINTS ARE CONCERNED, AND MATT HAMMOND CAN GO OVER IN MORE DETAIL. UM, BUT WE DO HAVE THREE ACCESS POINTS ALONG OUR POLAR ROAD PROPOSED. THERE'S, UM, A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT. THERE'S ALSO A SIGNALED ACCESS THAT WOULD BE FULL MOVEMENT, AND THAT'S JUST OPPOSITE OF THE EXISTING SIGNAL AT PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER. AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER WRITE IN, WRITE OUT THAT WE'RE PROPOSING FURTHER DOWN OUR OLA LANE. THERE IS A FOURTH ACCESS POINT, UM, THAT'S SHOWN ON THE PLAN AT MENNONITE SOUTH MENNONITE ROAD. THIS WOULD BE INTENDED FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY, ONLY, SO IT WOULD BE GATED OFF, UM, ONLY IF OUR POLAR ROAD WAS SHUT DOWN FOR SOME REASON. WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT BE OPEN? SINCE IT IS A HOSPITAL, WE WOULD NEED AN, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL EMERGENCY ACCESS POINT FOR FIRE, YOU KNOW, EMERGENCY CASES. UM, SO THAT'S ACCESS POINTS. IN THIS PHASE WE ARE PROPOSING 108 BED HOSPITAL BUILDING. IT IS APPROXIMATELY 270,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, WITH SURROUNDING PARKING. THERE'S PARKING ON ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE BUILDING CURRENTLY. UM, CAN I INTERRUPT YOU FOR A SECOND? SURE. JEFF. UM, WHAT SHE'S SHOWING HERE IS DIFFERENT THAN WE YES. THEY'VE UPDATED IT WITHIN THE LAST 36 HOURS OR SO. CORRECT. AND I'LL GO OVER, I THINK WHAT YOU MIGHT HAVE IN YOUR PACKET IS THE FINAL PHASE THREE THAT I'M JUST YEAH, OKAY. YOU JUST DON'T HAVE THIS PERSPECTIVE, BUT, OR SPECIFIC WAY. SO, OKAY. CONTINUE. I'M SORRY. NO, NO PROBLEM AT ALL. I'M CONFUSED FROM WHAT I SAW PREVIOUSLY UNTIL WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING RIGHT NOW. OKAY. YEP. UNDERSTOOD. PLEASE STOP ME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY. UM, SO PARKING PROPOSED ALONG AROUND, YOU KNOW, ALL ASPECTS OF THE BUILDING ITSELF. UM, SO THERE IS, IN THE FRONT, THERE'S A DROP OFF AREA IN THE FRONT OF THE HOSPITAL. UM, AS YOU WORK YOUR WAY AROUND TO THE EASTERN SIDE, THERE'S AN EMERGENCY, UH, DROP OFF AREA, UM, CONTINUING AROUND FURTHER PARKING AND THEN A LOADING AREA JUST TO LIKE THE NORTHWEST OF THE BUILDING ITSELF. UM, AND THEN IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PHASE, PERFECT. OKAY. SO THIS IS WHAT IS INTENDED TO BE THE SECOND PHASE OF THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT. AND THIS IS THE, UH, HOSPITAL EDITION, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, THE 256 BED HOSPITAL. UH, THAT BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 540,000 SQUARE FEET. THE, THE HOSPITAL BUILDING ITSELF IS SIX STORIES. UM, AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE WOULD BE AN 80,000 [00:15:01] SQUARE FOOT MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING THAT WOULD BE CONNECTED. THIS MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING IS FOUR STORIES, SO 20,000 SQUARE FEET PER FLOOR IN THIS CONFIGURATION. UM, ADDITIONAL PARKING WOULD BE REQUIRED. SO WE HAVE PROVIDED ADDITIONAL SURFACE PARKING ON THIS PLAN, BUT THERE WOULD BE A PARKING GARAGE, UM, JUST TO THE WEST OF THE HOSPITAL BUILDING IN THIS SPACE. AND THAT WOULD BE THREE STORIES ABOVE THE SURFACE PARKING. UM, AND THEN IF YOU GO TO THE, THE THIRD PHASE, THIS IS, THIS IS FINE. THIS ONE. THANK YOU. SO THE THIRD PHASE, I BELIEVE THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE IN YOUR PACKET. UM, SO THAT WOULD, SO THE HOSPITAL BUILDING ITSELF REMAINS THE SAME AT 256 BEDS. THE 80,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING REMAINS THE SAME. AND THEN WE WOULD BE ADDING A 60,000 SQUARE FOOT JUST SOUTH OF THAT 80,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. UM, FOUR STORIES AGAIN. SO 15,000 SQUARE FEET PER FLOOR IN THIS, UM, PHASE THREE ADDITIONAL PARKING WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THAT 60,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. SO AN ADDITIONAL PARKING GARAGE IS SHOWN JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THAT, THAT 60,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. ALL ACCESS POINTS REMAIN THE SAME THROUGHOUT ALL PHASES. THE, THE TRAFFIC WOULD, WOULD BE DESIGNED FOR THAT FINAL BUILD OUT PHASE. UM, JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY GO OVER STORM WATER. UM, WE WILL BE, AS PART OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, WE'LL BE GOING THROUGH THE FULL STORMWATER DESIGN. WE HAVE, UM, STARTED LOOKING AT SOME CALCULATIONS, UM, IN ORDER TO MEET YOUR TOWNSHIP ORDINANCE. UM, AND THEN ALSO WE'D BE MEETING PENNSYLVANIA DEP REQUIREMENTS AS WELL. UM, SO WE WOULD BE LIKELY LOOKING AT DOING A COUPLE DIFFERENT, UH, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT DEVICES. WE WOULD HAVE ONE TO TWO LARGER UNDERGROUND BASINS, UH, TO REALLY HOLD BACK THE WATER. AND THEN ALSO LOOKING TO HAVE SOME SMALLER ABOVE GROUND FRAME GARDEN TYPE SYSTEMS TO INFILTRATE THAT WATER, UM, PRIOR TO TO RELEASING IT. YOUR TOWNSHIP DOES HAVE VERY STRICT REQUIREMENTS FOR RELEASING THE WATER. SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY RE RE REDUCING THE RATE OF RUNOFF FROM THE EXISTING CONDITIONS TODAY. AND THEN AS FAR AS JUST A QUICK OVER OVERVIEW OF LIGHTING AND AND LANDSCAPING, AGAIN, BOTH OF THESE WOULD BE DESIGNED DURING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS WOULD BE FULLY INTENDING TO MEET YOUR TOWNSHIP CODES FOR LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING. UM, THE LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS, WE'D BE MEETING THE POLE HEIGHT OF 25 FEET. I KNOW THE TOWN, THE TOWNSHIP HAS TRESPASS REQUIREMENTS. SO WE'D BE MEETING THOSE TRESPASS REQUIREMENTS AT THE PROPERTY LINES AND THEN ALSO THE ZERO UPLIGHT MEETING, ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS AS WELL. UM, AND THEN FOR, FOR LANDSCAPING, WE'D BE MEETING YOUR REQUIREMENTS, UM, AS FAR AS PARKING LOT LANDSCAPING TREES AND BUFFERING. UM, THE ONE ITEM I DID WANT TO NOTE IS WE DO HAVE, UM, THERE IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS JUST TO THE EAST OF US, SO WE WOULD BE KEEPING A, A MUCH MORE DENSE BUFFER AT THAT LOCATION. UM, THE TOWN, THE ORDINANCE IS, I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT A 35 FOOT BUFFER. WE ARE HOLDING OVER 75 FEET BETWEEN, THAT'S AT THE CLOSEST POINT OF A PARKING SPACE OR CURB LINE TO THE RESIDENT TO THE PROPERTY LINE. SO WE WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY IN INCREASING THE BUFFER IN THAT LOCATION AND PLANTING EVERGREEN DESIDUOUS TREES, UM, ALONG THAT BUFFER TO PREVENT, UM, TO, TO HELP BUFFER THAT AREA ITSELF AS WELL. SO THAT'S A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT. I CAN TURN IT OVER TO DENISE TO GO OVER THE BUILDING HEIGHT OR ANSWER QUESTIONS. I'M NOT SURE WHETHER THIS IS YOUR QUESTION OR NOT, BUT WHAT IS THE, UH, PROPOSED HEAT COUNT WORKING THERE THAT HEADCOUNT FOLKS WORKING? YES. DO WE KNOW, I GUESS YOU'D HAVE TO DO THAT BY SHIFT, I SUPPOSE. CORRECT? DO WE KNOW ABOUT THAT? WE HAVEN'T WORKED, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE WORKING ON THE COMPONENTS OF THE BUILDING AND THE PROGRAMMING THAT ALL GOES INTO IT. UM, I CAN COME UP THE MICROPHONE. UM, WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, YOUR, YOUR ORDINANCE DOES TALK ABOUT EMPLOYEES TODAY, WHICH IS ALWAYS A COMPLICATED THING OR BEDS OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE THINGS THAT FLUCTUATE OVER TIME. UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO CHANGE [00:20:01] IS ACTUALLY TO CREATE WHAT I WILL CALL A NON FLUCTUATING PARKING REQUIREMENT BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE. AND THAT'S BASED ON EXPERIENCE AT OTHER HOSPITALS THAT MAINLINE OWNS TO SAY, HEY, WE KNOW THAT THIS WILL BE ADEQUATE PARKING. UM, AND IT MAY ACTUALLY RESULT IN LESS THAN WE WOULD HAVE TO DO BASED ON ESTIMATED EMPLOYEE COUNTS, BUT THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON THE DEMOGRAPHICS INFORMATION. SO WE CAN CERTAINLY BRING THAT BACK AT A, AT ANOTHER MEETING. ARE THERE ANY, I COULD ANSWER MORE QUESTIONS IF THERE'S ANY SITE PLAN QUESTIONS OR I CAN HAVE A FEW OTHER, UM, OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS COME UP TO DESCRIBE A FEW OTHER THINGS. YOU MENTIONED STORMWATER. YES. SOME UNDERGROUND AND SOME, SOME GREEN GARDEN TYPE THINGS THAT'S, UH, THAT'S QUITE TALL OR BASED ON THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS. Y YES, ABSOLUTELY IT IS. UM, AND AS I MENTIONED, THE, THE TOWNSHIP AND DEP REQUIREMENTS ARE VERY STRINGENT. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'D BE INTENDING TO MEET THEM, BUT WE WOULD LIKELY BE REQUIRED FOR A PRETTY LARGE UNDERGROUND BASIN OR MAYBE TWO AS WELL. AND WE WOULD ALSO BE DESIGNING FOR THE FULL BUILD OUT STORMWATER AS WELL. LINDSEY, I KNOW IT'S EARLY, BUT YOU ANTICIPATE THOSE, THOSE BASINS WOULD BE UNDER THE, I'M SORRY, THOSE, THOSE BASINS WOULD LIKELY BE UNDER THE PARKING AREAS? CORRECT. SO EVERY, ABOUT 80% OF THE SITE DRAINS TO THE, THIS, LIKE, IT IS A UNNAMED TRIBUTARY TO THE PROCUREMENT CREEK BACK IN THE, THIS LIKE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE SITE HERE. UM, SO SINCE THAT'S THE LOW POINT, IT'S LIKELY THAT WE WOULD HAVE SOME TYPE OF UNDERGROUND SYSTEM, UM, BELOW THE PARKING IN THIS AREA, BEHIND THE, THE HOSPITAL BUILDING. JUST SINCE THAT IS THE LOAD POINT, WE MIGHT HAVE TO SCATTER A FEW, UM, OTHER SYSTEMS AROUND THE SITE AS WELL, DEPENDING ON THE, THE STORAGE VOLUME THAT'S REQUIRED. USE THE UNDERGROUND BASES ON TOP. WHAT'S THE, NO, I MEAN, WHAT'S THE UNDERGROUND BASINS? IS THAT PIPING? SO THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SYSTEMS. ONE OF THE SYSTEMS IS PIPING. THERE'S ALSO, UM, ARCH SYSTEMS. THERE'S NUMEROUS TYPES OF UNDERGROUND BASIN MANUFACTURERS AND ALL OF THEM ARE STRUCTURALLY SOUND TO BE UNDERNEATH PARKING. THERE IS A DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENT FROM THE TOP OF YOUR SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE 18 INCHES UP TO THE, THE SURFACE OF THE PARKING AS WELL. IT, IT VARIES BASED ON THE DEPTH OF THE SYSTEM IN THE TYPE OF SYSTEM. WE WOULD NOT BE PROPOSING ANY STORMWATER BASINS UNDERGROUND BELOW THE PARKING GARAGES. IT WOULD JUST BE UNDER THE SURFACE PARKING. SURFACE PARKING. CORRECT. I THOUGHT YOU MEANT THAT. THAT'S THAT WAS CONCERNING ME. YEAH, I I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN REFERRING TO. THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING. SORRY. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? HELLO, I'M DENISE THOMPSON WITH SCA WHERE THE ARCHITECTS FOR MAINLINE HEALTH. I WANTED TO GO OVER THE BUILDING STACKING DIAGRAM THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET AND YOU HAVE UP ON THE SCREEN HERE. UM, I CAN'T TELL IF THIS IS THE REVISED ONE OR NOT. UH, IT'S THE ONE THAT CAME WITH OKAY. LINDSEY'S PACKAGE. LINDSEY'S, OKAY, GREAT. SO I DID WANNA MAKE A CLARIFICATION ON THAT BECAUSE WE DID GET, UH, A COMMENT ABOUT THE BUILDING HEIGHTS THAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT YOU'RE SEEING. ANYTHING IN COLOR IS THE POTENTIAL PRO INTERIOR PROGRAM OF THE HOSPITAL BUILDING. SO AS IT WAS MENTIONED, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON DEVELOPING THAT WITH MAINLINE HEALTH TO DETERMINE WHAT FUNCTIONS WILL GO IN THE HOSPITAL BUILDING. UM, THAT WILL BE IN THAT PHASE ONE. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT'S IN COLOR. EVERYTHING THAT'S DASHED AND OUTLINED IS A POTENTIAL FUTURE PHASE. WE'RE STILL WORKING OUT ALL OF THE DETAILS OF THAT. UM, BUT WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE ON THE SITE FROM A HEIGHT PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A CODE REQUIREMENT THAT WE DO NEED TO FOLLOW. AND WE ARE WORKING ON A ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, UM, TO, UH, YOU KNOW, HELP US WITH THIS PROJECT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I'LL SAY IS THAT THERE WAS A HEIGHT ON HERE, UM, THAT YOU'LL SEE IS 74 FEET, SIX INCHES, UM, AND IT'S LABELED AS I-F-C-I-B-C BUILDING HEIGHT. AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY THE NUMBER THAT WE'RE TRYING TO STAY UNDER TO BE ABLE TO STAY UNDER THE HIGH RISE REQUIREMENTS. THAT'S A CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH THE FIRE CHIEF EARLY ON. SO WE'LL BE WORKING TOWARDS STAYING IN THAT, IN THAT HEIGHT, BUT THAT HEIGHT IS CALCULATED [00:25:01] A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY FROM THE I-B-C-I-F-C AND YOUR ZONING CODE BUILDING HEIGHT. SO WE DID WANNA SHOW THE TWO DIFFERENT HEIGHTS AS I HAVE TO CALCULATE THEM DIFFERENTLY FOR CODE. UM, WE, AS LINDSAY MENTIONED, THE SITE HAS A STEEP GRADE, SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO UTILIZE THAT GRADE TO HAVE WHAT I WOULD PROBABLY CALL A WALKOUT BASEMENT TO THE BACKSIDE OF THE SITE. UM, WITH THAT WE WILL HAVE TO CALCULATE THE GRADE PLANE IN ITS FINAL LOCATION AS WE CLARIFY ALL THE SITE GRADING REQUIREMENTS. THAT WILL BE THE STARTING POINT TO DICTATE WHAT THAT FINAL BUILDING HEIGHT WILL BE. SO ALTHOUGH OUR CURRENT BUILDING HEIGHT THAT WE'RE SHOWING ON THE DOCUMENT, YOU HAVE A 78 FOOT TWO INCHES. UM, AS WE GET INTO THE DESIGN, WE ARE GONNA NEED TO LOOK AT THE STRUCTURAL SYSTEMS, MECHANICAL SYSTEMS AND SEE IF THAT WILL BE THE FINAL HEIGHT OR NOT. SO WE ARE, UM, WANTING TO JUST NOTE THAT THIS IS A PRELIMINARY HEIGHT FOR YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE DOCUMENT? AGAIN, I KNOW IT'S EARLY. JUST, UM, I, I'M, I PRESUME THAT LIKE ANY MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT ON THE ROOF OF THESE BUILDINGS WILL BE SCREENED. THE PLAN WILL BE THE, THE SCREENING. WELL, WE ARE LOOKING AT FOLLOWING YOUR CODE FOR THAT. UM, AND WE DO SEE THAT THERE ARE NOT ANY REQUIREMENTS FOR MECHANICAL SCREENING AT THE MOMENT. UM, BUT THERE IS, UM, SOMETHING IN OUR ORDINANCE THAT TALKS ABOUT, UM, ALLOWING 10 FOOT ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS THAT ARE NOT STRUCTURAL, UH, THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, BE SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT USE TO HELP SCREEN THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT IF WE FEEL THAT'S WARRANTED. . ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. AND THEN IF YOU DID HAVE THE PRETTY PICTURE . YEP. IT'S ALWAYS FUN TO SHOW A PRETTY PICTURE OF THE BUILDING. UM, BUT WE DID DO AN AERIAL RENDERING OF THE FULL BUILD OUT OF THE CAMPUS. LIKE IT'S BEEN SAID, THIS WILL HAPPEN OVER TIME. THIS IS NOT THE DAY ONE CAMPUS, BUT WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU A POTENTIAL VIEWPOINT SO YOU CAN SEE THE PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER TO THE SOUTH AND YOU CAN SEE THE, UM, NATURE AND THE BUFFERING THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MEETING ALL THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS. SO WE'RE GONNA BE HEAVILY LANDSCAPING THE SITE IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S ALREADY THERE IN HOPES OF PRESERVING WHAT WE CAN, UM, THAT'S EXISTING. GREAT. ANY QUESTION? OKAY. THANK YOU. NOT A QUESTION, COMMENT, NOT A QUESTION. A COMMENT. I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU'LL BE HEAVILY LANDSCAPING. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF CEMENT, RIGHT? , IT'S A BIG BUILDING A LOT OF BEFORE YOU DO THE EXPANSION, A LOT OF SURFACE PARKING, SO IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE GREENERY. GREAT, THANK YOU. UM, AND JUST, JUST A COUPLE OF CLARIFICATION ITEMS RELATED TO THE QUESTIONS THAT WE GOT. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THE, THE IMAGE YOU'RE LOOKING AT, EVERYTHING IS IN POINT. SO THIS WAS MORE OF A MASSING EXERCISE. OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE NOT DESIGNED FACADE OR ANYTHING YET. AND TO YOUR QUESTION, JERRY, WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT TODAY, AND I THINK WE MIGHT NEED TO TALK ABOUT REFINING, IS THERE IS A CURRENT LIMIT ON PURELY ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS UNDER THE INSTITUTIONAL DISTRICT SECTION AS IT RELATES TO BUILDING HEIGHT, BUT YOUR GENERAL HEIGHT OF BUILDING REQUIREMENTS DUE HAVING, EXCEPT FOR MECHANICAL PENTHOUSES AND THAT KIND OF THING. SO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS IN ORDER TO SCREEN, WE MIGHT NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE REFINING THAT SO THAT IT'S CLEARLY COVERED BECAUSE WE WERE STRUGGLING WITH THAT A LITTLE BIT TODAY. SO REFINING THE ORDINANCE IN THE ORDINANCE, YES, BECAUSE THE REFINING THE ORDINANCE, REFINING THE ORDINANCE, THE INSTITUTIONAL DISTRICT RIGHT NOW, WHICH WE DID, WE WERE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE, TALKS ABOUT LIMITING THE HEIGHT OF PURELY ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS ABOVE THE BUILDING TO 10 FEET. BUT THEN IF WE HAVE MECHANICALS UP THERE, WHICH ARE EXEMPT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COVERING AND ADDRESSING THAT APPROPRIATELY. AND THERE SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A CONTRADICTION IN YOUR ORDINANCE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT. WE WERE LITERALLY DRILLING DOWN ON TODAY SAYING THIS MAY NOT MAKE SENSE HERE TO MAKE THIS WORK A PRODUCT WORK THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO SEE HERE. SO, SO IF I UNDERSTAND, YEAH, SORT OF GO THROUGH THE DOORS PARTIALLY OPEN, BUT YEAH, SO IF, IF, IF IT'S DESIRABLE TO PUT THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT IN A, IN A PENTHOUSE, YOU MIGHT NEED RELIEF IN THE ORDINANCE TO ALLOW THE HEIGHT TO DO THAT. IS THAT KIND OF, WE, WE DON'T NEED RELIEF TO DO THAT. IT'S JUST THAT IF THERE ARE, YOU WERE TALKING POTENTIAL SCREENING AROUND IT, DEPENDING ON WHETHER THAT'S CONSIDERED A PURELY ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT OR NOT, THE CURRENT INSTITUTIONAL DISTRICT HAS A LIMIT ON HOW HIGH THAT CAN BE. SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA SQUARE OFF IS IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT. YEAH, CHERRY, SORRY THAT, I'M SORRY YOU'RE WITH THAT. WELL, I MEAN WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF GETTING INTO THIS. YEAH, AND THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T WANNA GET TOO IN THE WEEDS, BUT I DID WANT YOU TO THINK THAT WE WERE SAYING LIKE NO EXPLANATION. RIGHT. THAT'S FINE FOR NOW. YEAH, EXACTLY. IT'S FINE FOR NOW. I DON'T WANNA GET TOO MUCH WE'RE DEALING WITH WE WANTED SCREENED. YES, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT. I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU WANTED SCREENED AND I WE'RE, WE MAY BE [00:30:01] LIMITED THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN TODAY, WE MAY NEED TO CHANGE THAT SO THAT IT CAN BE EFFECTIVELY SCREENED. YEAH, GO AHEAD. UM, NEXT I'D LIKE TO HAVE MATT TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, TRAFFIC AND THEN WE CAN RUN THROUGH ORDINANCE. GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MATT HAMMOND. TRAFFIC PLANNING DESIGN. UM, SO AS ALLISON HAD MENTIONED, AS PART OF, UH, GETTING TO THIS STAGE AND WORKING WITH DENISE AND LINDSAY ON THE, THE CONCEPT PLAN, UH, WE DID COMPLETE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY AND I'M SURE THIS COMMISSION IS PROBABLY, UH, SICK OF TRAFFIC STUDIES DUE TO ALL THE DEVELOPMENT BEING PROPOSED ALONG THIS CORRIDOR. BUT NONETHELESS, UM, WE DID COORDINATE WITH THE COUNCIL OF TRAFFIC ENGINEER MR. HARMON AND, UH, DID PREPARE A TRAFFIC STUDY, WHICH WAS SUBMITTED BACK IN JULY AND WAS REVIEWED. UH, WHILE THE PLANS WERE REFINED, UH, AND RESUBMITTED FOR REVIEW. WE DID NOT RESUBMIT THE TRAFFIC STUDY AS THERE WAS A COUPLE ITEMS WE WENT ON TO FLUSH OUT WITH RESPECT TO THE OVERALL SITE PLAN, THE LAYOUT AND THE LIKE. UM, BUT WE FULLY INTEND OBVIOUSLY TO REVISE THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND COMPLY WITH THE COMMENTS OR AT LEAST ADDRESS THE COMMENTS THAT ARE CONTAINED WITHIN THAT LATEST FILLMORE REVIEW LETTER. BUT FROM AN OVERALL BIG PICTURE STANDPOINT, UH, MOST OF OUR IMPROVEMENTS, UM, ARE REALLY CONCENTRATING ON ARCOLA ROAD. UM, THERE ARE A VERY ROBUST, UH, NUMBER OF IMPROVEMENTS BEING PROPOSED ALONG, UH, 29 FROM VARIOUS ENTITIES, WHETHER IT'S THE HIGH ASSOCIATES, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEX, WHETHER IT'S THE HOPWOOD ROAD, UH, WHETHER IT'S THE, UM, THE OLD, UH, QUEST LAB FACILITIES, UM, AS WELL AS THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S CURRENTLY IN PLACE. THAT'S BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, BUILT UPON OVER THE YEARS, UH, STARTING WITH THE PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER. SO THE TRAFFIC SITE WAS COMPLETED. WE LOOKED AT ABOUT 10 INTERSECTIONS. AGAIN, MOST OF THOSE WERE ON 29 ARCOLA ROAD. UM, AND AS LINDSAY HAD MENTIONED, WE ARE PROPOSING THREE DRIVEWAYS ON ARCOLA ROAD JUST NORTH OF 29. IT RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT ONLY A FULL ACCESS DRIVEWAY, SIGNALIZE FULL ACCESS DRIVEWAY OPPOSITE MARKET STREET SERVING THE PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER, AND THEN ANOTHER RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT DRIVEWAY. WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, PROVIDING DECELERATION LANES OR RIGHT TURN LANES ON ARCOLA ROAD, UH, APPROACHING THE FIRST ROADIN RIGHT OUT DRIVEWAY. AND THEN AS WELL AS, UH, THE FULL ACCESS SIGNALIZE DRIVEWAY. WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO PROVIDE FOR A LEFT TURN LANE INTO THE PROPOSED FULL ACCESS DRIVEWAY THAT WOULD, UH, BE OPPOSITE THE EXISTING LEFT, UH, FROM MARKET STREET. WE ARE ALSO FROM AN IMPROVEMENT PERSPECTIVE, LOOKING AT, UH, EXTENDING THIS EXISTING LEFT TURN LANE, UH, THAT'S COMING SOUTH ON ARCOLA ROAD THAT MAKES A LEFT ONTO 29. WE ARE LOOKING AT MODIFYING THE MARKET STREET APPROACH TO THE INTERSECTION, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT APPROACH RIGHT NOW IT'S A SEPARATE LEFT AND A SEPARATE RIGHT TURN LANE AND IT'S DUE TO THE FACT THAT THERE'S NOTHING ACROSS THE STREET, UM, BUT THE DEVELOPER OR THE TOWNSHIP OF THE FORESIGHT TO PROVIDE SORT OF AN ADDITIONAL WIDENING ON THAT DRIVEWAY IN THE EVENT THAT THERE, THIS PROPERTY WAS EVER DEVELOPED AND IT CREATED THE FOURTH LEGGED INTERSECTION. SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT AND THAT DRIVEWAY WOULD BE MODIFIED TO ESSENTIALLY A, A LEFT A THROUGH AND A RIGHT AND THEN COMING OUT OF OUR DRIVEWAY. AND THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S CHANGED, UH, AND MORPHED OVER TIME WILL CONTINUE TO BE REFINED. BUT RIGHT NOW COMING OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY, UH, DUE TO THE FACT THAT THIS IS OUR ONLY FULL ACCESS DRIVEWAY WOULD BE A SEPARATE RIGHT TURN LANE, A THROUGH LANE AND GET YOU ACROSS INTO PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER. AND THEN DUAL LEFT TURN LANES, UH, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE SOME SORT OF MODIFICATION TO THE EXISTING, UH, CONCRETE PORT CHOP HERE, BUT DUAL LEFT TURN LANE TO GET YOU DOWN TO THE INTERSECTION. THERE'S A LOT OF COORDINATION THAT NEEDS TO OCCUR. OBVIOUSLY TRAFFIC SIGNAL TIMINGS WE TOOK INTO ACCOUNT ALL THE OTHER NINE 10 VARIOUS PROJECTS THAT WOULD'VE AN INFLUENCE ON THIS PARTICULAR AREA. UM, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT WORKING WITH THE TOWNSHIP ON IMPROVING UPON THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY THROUGH THIS AREA. AND THE TOWNSHIP HAD MADE US, MADE IT KNOWN THAT THEY WOULD PREFER THERE WOULD BE A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION FROM THE HOSPITAL ACROSS THE PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER. OBVIOUSLY FOR ANYONE THAT'S WORKING THERE OR MAYBE EVEN VISITING THE ABILITY TO GET ACROSS THE PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER. SO THAT ALL BE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE, UH, LOOKED AT AS WE MOVE FURTHER ALONG IN THE PROCESS, BEGIN THROUGH LAND DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN ULTIMATELY THROUGH, UH, THE, THE PERMITTING PROCESSES. UM, LEMME SEE IF I NEED ANYTHING ELSE OUT AT THIS POINT. UM, NOTHING ELSE AT THIS POINT OTHER THAN THE FACT, AS I MENTIONED, WE ARE ON THE RECEIPT OF THE GILMORE REVIEW LETTER. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF COMMENTS IN THAT LETTER. UM, I DON'T WANT TO [00:35:01] MINIMIZE THEM, BUT A LOT OF THOSE ARE WHAT I WOULD SAY, ANALYSIS, CLEANUP, VISIONS TYPE I, UH, COMMENTS THAT AGAIN, WE'LL WORK WITH THE TOWNSHIP OF THE FINE TO GET THROUGH THE PROCESS. UM, BUT OTHERWISE I, I FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DUE TO THE FACT THAT THERE'S EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE IN THIS AREA AND THERE WILL BE A ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS COMPLETED IN THIS AREA THAT, THAT, UH, THAT THIS HOSPITAL IS ACTUALLY IN A GOOD SPOT, AT LEAST FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE, IT'S EVENTUALLY CONSIDERING ITS PROXIMITY TO THE CHANGE. MATT, I THINK, I THINK, UH, MIKE REID OF THE COMMENTS WERE, A LOT OF 'EM WERE JUST RELATED TO IN FACT, HE NEEDED TO UPDATE IT BECAUSE THE PLAN CHANGED, RIGHT? CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDED LIKE. YEAH, I ALL HAPPENED AS WE GO FROM, YOU GO FURTHER THE PROCESS, AND I THINK, AND NOT TO SPEAK FOR BRIAN, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHANGES FROM THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS COMPLETED IN JULY TO THIS PLAN AND A FUTURE TRAFFIC STUDY IS THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE TO THE MAIN DRIVEWAY AND HOW THIS CIRCULATION HERE IS GONNA WORK WITH THE DROP OFF AREAS IN THE VALET. UM, AND THAT'S OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH BRIAN ON, UM, AND CORRECT ME FORM. BUT OTHER THAN THAT IT WAS A LOT OF UPDATES TO THE STUDY, UH, CONFIRMING CERTAIN THINGS, REVISING ANALYSES, UH, CLARIFYING THINGS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IT SEEMS WELL THOUGHT OUT FOR WHERE THE HOSPITAL IS. UM, I DO KNOW JUST PAST THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE THOUGH, THERE'S A COMMUNITY THERE WITH ABOUT 250 HOMES THAT'S SPLIT BETWEEN ARCOLA, UM, WITH AMENITIES ON ONE SIDE. SO PEOPLE ARE CROSSING THAT STREET. UM, AND ARCOLA IS ALREADY A BUSY STREET. SO HOW WILL THAT BE ADDRESSED TO KEEP RESIDENTS SAFE IN THE AREA? UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL NEED TO, YOU KNOW, TO TAKE THAT IN ALL NEW ACCOUNT WE'VE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, UH, SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT, AND IT'S NOT OBVIOUSLY SHOWN HERE, BUT SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED HERE AS PART OF THE, WHAT I CLASSIFY AS THE PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER WITH SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL RESIDENCES, WHATNOT. THAT'S ALL BEEN INCORPORATED TO THE STUDY. BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW THIS SECTION OF ARCOLA ROAD WORKS WITH RESPECT TO THE TRAFFIC, BUT I WOULD SAY AT LEAST FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE, THE MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE CONCENTRATED BETWEEN THE MAIN ACCESS AND 29. SURE. RIGHT. SO KNOWING YOU CAN'T MAKE A, THIS IS THE ONLY DRIVER YOU CAN MAKE A LEFT OUT OF AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE COMING FROM 2 29 0 4 22. SO MOST OF IT WILL BE CONCENTRATED DOWN HERE. OKAY, FAIR ENOUGH. AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK THERE AT MARKET STREET, IS THAT A SURFACE CROSSWALK OR ARE YOU BUILDING A BRIDGE SURFACE CROSSWALK. OKAY. YEP, ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. I ASSUME MAYBE WITH LIKE LIGHTS FOR PUSH THE BUTTON AND THE LIGHTS OFF, SO WE, IT WOULD BE AT SOMETHING, SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT LATER. IT WOULD BE AT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL. SO WE DON'T NEED THE BLINKING LIGHTS. OH, THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL. THIS IS A SIGNALED INTERSECTION HERE TODAY. I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS A SIGNALED, SO IT WOULD BE AT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL. SO NO BLINKING LIGHTS, BUT YOU WOULD'VE THE PUSH BUTTONS, THE HAND MAN COUNTDOWN TIMERS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. ABSOLUTELY. GOT IT. OKAY. UNDERSTAND, THANKS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO THE LAST THING I DO HAVE TO HAND OUT IS, UM, WE HAD SUBMITTED ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT AS I MENTIONED EARLIER. UM, BUT WHAT, WHAT I DID DO WAS I PUT TOGETHER SORT OF WHAT I'LL CALL INLINE IN THE TEXT OF YOUR ACTUAL ZONING ORDINANCE SO THAT RATHER THAN YOU LOOKING AT LITTLE PARAGRAPHS AND SENTENCE CHANGES, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE IN CONTEXT, UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL INSTITUTIONAL DISTRICT AND A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS, UM, IN YOUR ORDINANCE. SO I, I WASN'T CLEAR ON WHO WAS DOING IT, SO I ACTUALLY PRINTED IT ALREADY FOR IT. OH, YOU DID? OKAY. WELL I HAVE, I HAVE THAT AND I HAVE, THERE'S LOTS OF PAPER. YOU CAN CERTAINLY HAVE SOME OUT IN THE AUDIENCE. WE HAVE EXTRAS, UM, I HAVE THE ORDINANCE AND I HAVE THE RED LINE COPY OF IT, SO WELL THANK YOU. I, IT, IT WASN'T CLEAR LATE THE DAY . UM, WELL GREAT. SO IF YOU WANT HAND SOME TO THE AUDIENCE FOR THEM TO A FEW MEMBERS. SURE. WASTE PAPER, IT'S A PUBLIC DOCUMENT. IT IS, ABSOLUTELY. AND THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE WANNA FOLLOW ALONG? UM, SO THE ONE THING THAT IS INCLUDED IN HERE, AND IT'S ON THE FIRST PAGE, SO I WILL, YOU KNOW, HIT IT RIGHT OFF THE BAT, IS THAT WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS AND EVERYTHING WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TO DATE, UH, WE HAD NOT NECESSARILY INITIALLY ASSUMED THAT THERE WOULD BE [00:40:01] A HELIPAD ASSOCIATED WITH THIS HOSPITAL. WE HAVE BEEN ASKED THAT QUESTION SEVERAL TIMES. HOWEVER, AS WE ARE GETTING INTO PROGRAMMING OF THE SITE AND HOW IT IS, HOW IT IS POTENTIALLY GOING TO OPERATE, UM, MAINLINE HEALTH IS NOW LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL FOR A HELIPAD ON THE SITE. WE KNOW THAT WE NEED TO COME BACK TO YOU IF WE ARE GOING TO PROPOSE IT WITH SPECIFIC DETAILS. UM, AND THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THE PROGRAM IS MORPHING HERE. THE IDEA BEING THAT A HEA A HELIPAD HERE WOULD ONLY BE TO TRANSPORT PATIENTS OUT BECAUSE THIS HOSPITAL IS NOT GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, LEVEL ONE TRAUMA. SO DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF MEDICAL NEED THAT A PATIENT MIGHT HAVE, MAINLAND HEALTH IS NOW SERIOUSLY LOOKING AT, DOES IT MAKE SENSE HERE TO HAVE A HELIPAD TO GET PEOPLE WHERE THEY NEED TO BE FASTER IF THEY NEED THAT CRITICAL CARE RATHER THAN SURFACE TRANSPORTATION. BUT IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE USED AT, YOU KNOW, FOR SORT OF BACK AND FORTH SHUTTLING, SO TO SPEAK. UM, AND I WILL NOTE THAT YOUR ORDINANCE ACTUALLY ALREADY ALLOWS FOR, HELL THEY CALL IT A HELLA STOP. THE, THE ORDINANCE CALLS IT A HELLA STOP, EVEN THOUGH MOST PEOPLE CALL IT A HELLA PAD. UM, AND THERE IT ACTUALLY IS ALLOWED IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS IN YOUR TOWNSHIP, INCLUDING, UM, ACROSS THE STREET ON 29. AND I UNDERSTAND THERE IS AN EXISTING HELIPAD AT THE BRIDGE AT COLLEGEVILLE TODAY. IT WAS NOT OBVIOUSLY USED FOR HOSPITAL PURPOSE, UM, BUT IT IS IN YOUR TOWNSHIP ACTUALLY ALREADY HAS THAT TYPE OF USE TODAY. UH, WHICH, YOU KNOW, SOME DO NOT A LOT DO NOT, EVEN THOUGH TECHNICALLY ZONING SHOULD PROVIDE FOR EVERY SINGLE USE. SO, UM, SO THE FIRST PAGE OF THE RED LINE TEXT, UM, THAT I'VE PROVIDED WOULD, WOULD PROPOSE TO ADDED AS AN ACCESSORY USE TO A MEDICAL OR SURGICAL HOSPITAL IN THE ION DISTRICT. AS I NOTE, IT'S ALREADY PERMITTED IN SEVERAL OTHER DISTRICTS IN YOUR TOWNSHIP. THERE ARE ALREADY, UM, SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO IT. AND IF WE DO GO FORWARD WITH IT, WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU WITH SPECIFICS WITH UPDATES ON A PLAN AND HAVE A FULL CONVERSATION WITH YOU. UM, BUT I DID WANT TO ADDRESS IT UP FRONT HERE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE DIFFERENT IMPACTS THAN SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE TONIGHT. UM, THE REST OF THE ORDINANCE, IF WE TURN TO PAGE TWO, THIS GETS INTO AT LEAST MY PAGE TWO, HOPEFULLY BRINGS OUT THE SAME . UM, IT, THE, THE FIRST THING, THESE ARE ALL, THESE ARE ALL SECTIONS OF THE INSTITUTIONAL DISTRICT. SO THE FIRST THING IS, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IT IS AN OVERLAY CURRENTLY IN YOUR TOWNSHIP. SO WE WOULD NEED TO ADD THE, UM, TRACT OF LAND TO THE OVERLAY. UM, THE WAY YOUR PARTICULAR ORDINANCE SETS THIS UP IS THAT IT DOES LIST A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PARCELS BY PARCEL NUMBER, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT UNUSUAL, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ADDING HERE. UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, UM, IT SHOWN ON A MAP CHANGE. UM, THE NEXT SECTION IS A SECTION OF THE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED IN THE INSTITUTIONAL DISTRICT. SECTION 300, 3 98 AND B ALREADY ALLOWS MEDICAL AND SURGICAL HOSPITALS AS A PERMITTED CONDITIONAL USE. UM, AND WE WOULD BE ADDING IF WE WOULD GO FORWARD WITH IT, A HELLA STOP IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. WE HAVE MEDICAL OFFICES, WE DID WANNA CLARIFY, I MEAN, YOUR DEFINITIONS. I THINK THERE AREN'T SPECIFIC DEFINITIONS FOR ALL OF THESE THINGS. SO THE INTENT OF ADDING MEDICAL OFFICE SPECIFICALLY HERE AS A, AS AN ACCESSORY USE JUST WAS JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR, HEY, IF WE'RE DOING A FULL, YOU KNOW, HOSPITAL CAMPUS, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD TYPICALLY SEE WITH AT THE HOSPITAL. UM, AND SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS CLEAR THAT MEDICAL OFFICERS WOULD BE PERMITTED TO SUPPORT THE HOSPITAL. AND THEN THE LAST PART OF THAT IS STRUCTURED PARKING GARAGES. AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ALREADY. YOUR ORDINANCE TODAY HAS A DEFINITION OF STRUCTURED PARKING GARAGE, WHICH FITS WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. SO THAT'S ALREADY SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE, UM, SECTION 300 DASH 3 99 DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. UM, SO WE ARE PROPOSING SOME CHANGES TO THIS. UM, YOUR LOT COVERAGE DEFINITION IS, UM, SOMEWHAT COMPLICATED , UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR DISTRICT. SO THE INTENT HERE IS REALLY TO CLEAN THIS UP A LITTLE BIT. UM, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING A CHANGE TO THE TOTAL LOT COVERAGE THAT'S PERMITTED. UM, THERE IS A SECTION IN HERE THAT TALKS ABOUT HAVING CERTAIN AREAS OF OPEN SPACE THAT ARE NEXT TO DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATIONS OF ROADS WHICH MAY HAVE BEEN RIDDEN IN PARTICULAR WITH A PARTICULAR TRACT OF LAND IN MIND, WHICH DON'T NECESSARILY MAKE SENSE IN A GENERAL APPLICABILITY, UM, SETTING. AND IT'S HARD TO INTERPRET. SO ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS JUST CLARIFY THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE ARE STILL PROPOSING THE PERCENTAGES [00:45:01] OF, YOU KNOW, WE ARE UNDER THE TOTAL LOT AREA OR THE TOTAL LOT COVERAGE, UM, THAT'S PERMITTED BY THE DISTRICT. WE ARE PROPOSING THE TOTAL OPEN SPACE THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE DISTRICT. SO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE TRYING TO CLEAN UP LANGUAGE, WE'RE NOT SUBSTANTIVELY CHANGING THE PERCENTAGES THAT ARE APPLICABLE IN THAT SECTION. UM, THE NEXT ONE IS THE BUILDING HEIGHT SECTION, AND HERE IS WHERE YOU WILL SEE WHERE REFERENCES AT THE END IN YOUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, PURELY ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS, NON-STRUCTURAL MAY EXTEND AN ADDITIONAL 10 FEET AND HEIGHT. AND THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE WILL LOOK AT WITH YOU A LITTLE MORE WITH STAFF TO SEE IF WE NEED TO MAKE ANY CHANGES. WE HAD DELETED CHIMNEYS AS PART OF BUILDING HEIGHT, AND THAT WAS MORE AN INTERPRETATION QUESTION. WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHIMNEYS, BUT IT WASN'T CLEAR TO US IF CHIMNEYS WERE SUPPOSED TO INCLUDE LIKE EXHAUST VENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO AGAIN, WE'LL TALK, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL TALK TO YOU IN MORE DETAIL TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT SHOULD BE. BUT THE OVERALL WAS JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE DOING. BUT THE, THE PROPOSED OVERALL HEIGHT, UM, IS THERE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE MEDICAL OR SURGICAL HOSPITAL. AND THEN BECAUSE STRUCTURED PARKING GARAGES WE'RE NOT SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT SEPARATELY, UM, AND THEY'RE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE RATHER THAN AN ACTUAL BUILDING, WE'VE ADDED A PROPOSED, UM, HEIGHT REQUIREMENT FOR STRUCTURED PARKING ON THAT STACKING DIAGRAM. WE WILL SEE THAT WE WERE PROPOSING, UM, 40 FEET IN GENERAL, BUT IF THERE'S ANY SORT OF DECORATIVE, YOU KNOW, LITTLE LIP THAT GOES UP, DEPENDING ON HOW THAT GETS DESIGNED, WE WERE PROPOSING TO ADD SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THERE WITH THE 50 FEET. BUT ADHERING TO THE CONCEPT THAT'S ALREADY IN YOUR ORDINANCE THAT ANY BUILDING OR STRUCTURE THERE GOING OVER 40 FEET HAS TO BE SET BACK AN ADDITIONAL ONE FOOT FOR EACH FOOT AND HEIGHT YOU GO UP. AND WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THAT CONSISTENT WITH OUR PROPOSED, UM, STRUCTURED PARKING GARAGE HEIGHT. UM, THE NEXT SECTION IS, UM, PARKING AND BUILDING SETBACKS. THERE ARE NUMEROUS PARKING AND BUILDING SETBACKS, UM, THAT EXIST ALREADY TODAY. UH, WE ARE SPECIFICALLY PUTTING IN ONE AS IT RELATES TO MEDICAL AND SURGICAL HOSPITALS. AND YOU WILL SEE THIS IS FROM A FEEDER OR HIGHER CLASSIFICATION ROAD. THE INTENT HERE IS THAT IF WE ADHERE TO THE CURRENT SETBACKS, IT PUSHES EVERYTHING BACK FARTHER INTO WHAT I'LL CALL INTO THE PROPERTY OR NORTH TOWARDS SOUTH MENNONITE ROAD. SO WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WITH SOME OF THESE CHANGES, INCLUDING THE PARKING SETBACK, UM, THAT YOU'LL SEE ON THE NEXT PAGE, IS TO PULL EVERYTHING FORWARD TOWARDS ARCOLA ROAD AND PULL IT AWAY FROM THE RESIDENT, THE RESIDENTIAL AREA AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AWAY FROM SOUTH MENNONITE. THAT'S THE INTENT OF THOSE, OF THOSE CHANGES. UM, AND THEN THE LAST CHANGE WE MADE IN THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS IS TO CREATE A SPECIFIC SETBACK FOR A STRUCTURED PARKING GARAGE. UM, AND THEN SECTION H, UM, WE WERE JUST CLARIFYING WHEN A DETAILED LANDSCAPE CLAIM WOULD BE PROVIDED AND YOUR ORDINANCE, ACTUALLY, THE LAST PART OF THAT IS JUST CLEANUP REFERENCING YOUR ALDO, THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE SECTION IS, IS REFERENCING A RESERVED SECTION OF YOUR ORDINANCE THAT HAS NO REQUIREMENTS. SO IT'S JUST ACTUALLY A CLEANUP ITEM. UM, AND THEN THERE IS A MASTER PLAN, UH, REQUIREMENT IN THE INSTITUTIONAL DISTRICT, WHICH OUR MASTER PLAN WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH TONIGHT. UM, AND SO THERE ARE DETAILED REQUIREMENTS AS IT RELATES TO MASTER PLAN. UM, THE MAIN THINGS WE'RE DOING HERE, CHARACTER, YOU KNOW, CLARIFYING WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IN TERMS OF LANDSCAPING ON THE MASTER PLAN. OBVIOUSLY DETAILED LANDSCAPING WOULD BE PROVIDED IN LAND DEVELOPMENT. AND THERE'S ANOTHER SECTION THAT TALKS ABOUT DOING A DECLARATION OF RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS TO ENSURE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS ARE MET ON VARIOUS LOTS. WE ARE NOT PROPOSING TO SUBDIVIDE THIS PROPERTY, SO I'M SIMPLY CLARIFYING, HEY, IF YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, REQUIRE SUBDIVISION, THEN YOU HAVE TO DO A DECLARATION OF RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS TO MAKE IT WORK. BUT IF YOU'RE JUST DOING, UH, ONE PROPERTY THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS, THERE'S NOTHING REALLY TO RESTRICT BECAUSE IT'S ONE LOT. SO THAT, AGAIN, IS JUST A CLARIFICATION ITEM. UM, AND THEN LAST PAGE, UM, N YOUR ORDINANCE HAS A, YOUR SDO HAS A PROVISION FOR OPEN SPACE AND REC, WHICH EVEN INCLUDES, UM, INSTITUTIONAL USES AND, UM, THE OPEN SPACE AND REC, THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE MPC ARE REALLY GEARED MORE TOWARDS RESIDENTIAL AND SOME OTHER THINGS. SO THIS WAS JUST CLARIFYING, UM, THAT IN A DISCUSSION WITH JEFF THAT IT MIGHT, IT ISN'T NECESSARILY APPROPRIATE FOR NON-PROFIT USES, NOT JUST THE HOSPITAL, BUT THERE ARE OTHER INSTITUTIONAL USES THAT ARE PERMITTED IN THIS [00:50:01] DISTRICT WHERE YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY INTEND TO IMPOSE IT ON LIKE A SCHOOL OR RIGHT, YOU KNOW, A CHURCH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO, UM, AND THEN THE VERY LAST CHANGE DOWN HERE IS, UM, TO, AND I MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, TO CREATE WHAT I'LL CALL EASY TO FOLLOW AND ENFORCE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR A HOSPITAL TODAY. IT'S BASED ON FOUR BEDS AND EMPLOYEES, AND OF COURSE EMPLOYEES AND SHIFTS CHANGE OVER TIME. UM, SO WE THOUGHT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT'S BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT EVERYONE CAN CLEARLY FOLLOW. SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, TAKE ANY COMMENTS. QUESTION, JEFF, ZACH, HAVE YOU REVIEWED THIS MATERIAL AND WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT SHE'S PROPOSING? I'LL LET ZACH GO FIRST. YEAH, JEFF AND I MET WITH ALLISON, UH, EARLIER THIS WEEK AND JUST KIND OF WENT THROUGH IT SIMILAR TO WHAT SHE JUST DID TO THIS EVENING. UM, WE GAVE HER SOME OF OUR FEEDBACK. UM, I THINK GENERALLY WE WERE IN AGREEMENT WITH IT. UM, YOU KNOW, I I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PARKING, MY OPINION IS THAT I DEFER TO YOU GUYS. UM, YOU KNOW, I I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA OVER PARK THE PROPERTY AND THAT YOU'RE GONNA MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ENOUGH SPACES TO MEET WHAT'S NEEDED BY YOUR PATIENTS AND VISITORS AND WHATNOT THAT ARE CURRENT EMPLOYEES THAT ARE COMING TO THE SITE. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, FLEXIBILITY, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS TYPE OF PHASE DEVELOPMENT. MAKES SENSE. UM, YEAH, I I, I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS. UH, ALLISON'S ALREADY INCORPORATED A LOT OF THEM. UM, BUT I DO THINK IT IS GOOD TO GET THE HELIPAD STUFF OUT IN THE OPEN AT THIS POINT. UM, SO WE'RE AWARE OF IT. UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA, ALLISON, WHERE, I MEAN, 'CAUSE YOU HAVE YOUR DESIGN TEAM WHERE THAT HELIPAD COULD POTENTIALLY, IT IT SHOULD BE ON TOP OF THE WATER COOLER. YEAH. GONNA PUT IT ON TOP OF THE BUILDING. THAT'S WHAT I SAID, THE WATER COOVERS. YEAH. YEAH. WE'LL PUT, WE'LL PUT IT RIGHT ON TOP OF THOSE MECHANICALS. UM, JUST ENVISIONING THAT SUPERMAN MOVIE . YEAH. THAT, THAT, THAT, AND THAT'S SORT OF THE MAIN THING NOW THAT THIS, NOW THAT THIS IS COMING INTO FOCUS AND SORT OF FIGURE OUT WHERE'S THIS LOCATION VERSUS WHERE YOU NEED TO GET PEOPLE, THAT'S THE THING THAT WE NEED TO REFINE OVER THE NEXT SUBMISSION AND RESUBMIT SO THAT WE CAN GIVE YOU SPECIFICS ON WHERE WE THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE. UH, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE EMERGENCY ROOM IS IN THE PLACE WHERE IT WANTS TO BE ON THIS PLAN. SO THAT'S THE TYPE OF THING WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PROGRAM, JUST MAKING SURE WHERE DO THESE THINGS MAKE SENSE FROM A CIRCULATION PERSPECTIVE. IT'S NOT JUST BEING, IT'S NOT JUST DRIVEN BY THE HELIPAD, IT'S JUST LIKE, HEY, PEOPLE EVEN COMING ON SITE, DO WE HAVE IT IN THE RIGHT LOCATION? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW. NOW THAT, UM, DENISE'S TEAM IS DRILLING DOWN, STARTING TO DRILL DOWN ON ARCHITECTURE RATHER THAN LIKE, HERE'S A BOX ON A PLAN WITH SOME CONCEPTUAL THING. SO THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE YOU MORE DETAILS. BUT I DON'T HAVE THEM TONIGHT. BUT AS FAR AS THIS ZONING PROPOSED AMENDMENT, YOU GUYS HAVE LOOKED AT IT AND I PRESUME THIS IS JUST, YOU'RE SHARING THIS WITH US AS A RECOMMENDATION THAT JEFF AND ZACH WILL RIGHT NOW, THIS IS PROBABLY A SECOND OR THIRD STEP OF A DRAFT. I THINK WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A FEW THINGS. THAT'S MY POINT. YEAH. YES. UM, I, I KNOW THE HELIPAD LANGUAGE WAS PROBABLY WRITTEN IN, IN THE EIGHTIES OR NINETIES AND, AND FROM WHAT MY LIMITED RESEARCH HAS DONE AND MY NOW FINDING OUT THAT BRIAN HAS A MUCH MORE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THIS THAN HE I THOUGHT HE DID. UH, I THOUGHT ANY OF US DID THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE CRITERIA FOR, FOR THE HELIPAD TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, IT'S MODERN AND ADDRESSES MODERN CONCERNS. WHEN THIS WAS WRITTEN, IT WAS PROBABLY WRITTEN BEFORE THE HELL HAD IT AT PFIZER DOW, WHICH AT THE TIME WAS PROBABLY AMERICAN HOME, WHICH PREDATES, UM, WYETH. AND THERE WASN'T A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL BACK THERE. NOW, BECAUSE WHERE WE'RE PUTTING IT, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S VERY PROTECTED. AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT SAYING NO AND STRONG LINE IN THE SAND, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE CRITERIA CORRECT TO DO MORE THAN JUST SENTENCE ONE, WHICH SAYS NOT BE DETRIMENTAL HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE. BECAUSE THAT'S SO NEBULOUS OF A STATEMENT THAT HOW YOU HANG YOUR HAT ON IT FROM THEIR SIDE OR OUR SIDE. IF IT BECOMES SIDES, AND I'M NOT SAYING IT DOES. SO, SO AT THIS STAGE, THIS IS STRICTLY INFORMATIONAL FOR US. YES. YEAH. I, I I I, I GUESS I SHOULD START OFF, I'M NOT EXPECTING A RECOMMENDATION. WE, ALL OF US, THEIR APPLICATION TEAM AND, AND THE STAFF HERE FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT THAT THERE'S GONNA BE ANOTHER REVISION OF THIS. IDEALLY, I THINK WE MIGHT BE AIM FOR AN OCTOBER HEARING, BUT NOW THAT THE HELIPAD IS KIND OF COMING TO THE FORE A LITTLE BIT MORE, IT MIGHT PUSH THINGS BACK A LITTLE BIT. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S SORT OF OUR TENTATIVE PLAN RIGHT NOW IS TO HAVE, HAVE THE HEARING FOR THIS, FOR THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT AND THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT IN FRONT OF THE BOARD IN, IN, AT THEIR NOVEMBER MEETING. SO THIS IS STRICTLY INFORMATION. YES. AND, AND IF YOU HAD ANYTHING SUBSTANTIVE THAT WAS, [00:55:01] YOU KNOW, VERY IMPORTANT TO YOU, WE WOULD WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THAT TONIGHT TO INCORPORATE THAT FEEDBACK WE GOT BETWEEN OUR ATTORNEY AND OUR ZONING PLANNING, UH, DIRECTOR. THEY NEED TO, TO SIGN OFF BEFORE WE EVEN THINK ABOUT IT, IS MY OPINION. WELL, I, I, I THINK THAT AS MUCH AS, AS IT IS IMPORTANT FOR JEFF AND I TO SIGN ON, I THINK THAT TO THE EXTENT YOU GUYS IN YOUR ROLE AS PLANNING COMMISSIONERS HAVE THOUGHTS OR OPINIONS ABOUT THINGS THAT SPECIFICALLY STICK OUT TO YOU, IT'S BETTER TO RAISE THAT NOW SO THAT AS JEFF AND I CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH REVISIONS WITH ALLISON AND HER TEAM, THAT WE ARE INCORPORATING THOSE AND IT DOESN'T TURN INTO SOMETHING WHERE THEY COME FORWARD WITH A DOCUMENT THAT THEY'RE LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE READY TO GET THIS ADOPTED. AND YOU GUYS GO, WELL, HEY, THERE'S THIS BIG ISSUE THAT WE DON'T THINK YOU'RE DEALING WITH. SO I, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO DEFER TO JEFF AND I A LITTLE BIT, LET US AT THIS STAGE. AND IN MY OPINION IS AT THIS STAGE, YOU KNOW, I DEFER TO BOTH OF YOU TO, TO TAKE US TO THE NEXT GENERATION OF THIS. AND, AND THEN I THINK, I MEAN, BASED ON WHAT I HEARD, JUST MY OPINION, UH, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT STANDS OUT THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S UNREASONABLE, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS A TOWNSHIP ORDINANCE. THE TOWNSHIP ORDINANCE. YOU GUYS, YOU TWO HAVE TO, I THINK, AGREE FIRST. AND, AND IF, UH, ADMITTEDLY THE TOWNSHIP ORDINANCE ALREADY CONTEMPLATED A HOSPITAL, MAYBE NOT AT THIS SPECIFIC SITE, BUT ALREADY CONTEMPLATED SOMETHING OF THIS SCALE, AND I THINK GENERALLY DOES A FAIRLY, A FAIRLY COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT IT, AND JUST WITHOUT ANY CHANGE, IT WOULD WORK WELL. BUT BECAUSE OF THIS SITE AND BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE SAID IS WE HAVE TO GET AS FAR AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY AS WE CAN. THAT'S REASONABLE. I MEAN, WE COULD SLAM THE BUILDING ALL UP AGAINST ARCOLA ROAD AND MAKE IT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, IT WAS DOWNTOWN PHILADELPHIA WITH A BUILDING FIVE FEET OFF THE SIDEWALK. OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY WANT, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT. THIS IS THEIR REASONABLE COMPROMISE AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE. BUT WE HAVE TO ADJUST OUR ORDINANCE TO REFLECT THAT. I, I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT. AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT ALLISON IS PROPOSING SOMETHING THAT IS STRICTLY LIMITED TO JUST WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. NO, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S AN ORDINANCE THAT YOU AND OUR ATTORNEY AGREE AS AN ORDINANCE FOR THE TOWNSHIP IN GENERAL, NOT JUST FOR THIS SPECIFIC HOSPITAL, BUT THE COURT, THE WHOLE, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WE EVER GET, BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT. I MEAN, I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE ORDINANCE CONFORMS TO WHAT YOU THINK LONG TERM TOWNSHIP INTERESTS ARE. SO THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE. YEAH. I MEAN, I, I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT STICKS OUT TO ME, JUST IN, IN HEARING THE PRESENTATION THIS EVENING, I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF CONATION ABOUT THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS ROAD TO THE REAR. AND IT MAY BE WORTH INSERTING SPECIFIC LANGUAGE SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, ANY ACCESS THAT WAY NEEDS JUST BE FOR EMERGENCY PURPOSES OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES WHERE PROPERTY FRONTS ON THAT LEVEL OF ROADWAY, SOME, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES JUST TO BUILD THAT PROTECTION IN SO THAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE SOME ASSURANCES THAT, AND I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE IT CLEAR FOR THE NEIGHBORS, WHEN WE SAY EMERGENCY ACCESS, THAT DOESN'T MEAN EVERY SINGLE AMBULANCE THAT COMES IN IS AN EMERGENCY. YES. IT'S PART OF THE, IT'S PART OF THE HOSPITAL EMERGENCY VISITS, BUT LIKE IN THE EVENT THERE'S A CAR CRASH AT ONE ENTRANCE AND THE FIRE TRUCK NEEDS TO GET IN, THEY CAN GO DOWN THAT ROAD. IT'S RESTRICTED EMERGENCY ACCESS. YES, YES. BUT IT'S, IT IS NOT EVERY AMBULANCE, RIGHT? RESTRICTED, YES. YEAH. THIS, YEAH, OUR PROPOSAL WOULD BE GATED. THIS IS, THIS WOULD OPERATE LIKE ANY OTHER EMERGENCY ACCESS ON A SITE WHERE, OKAY, THE MAIN ACCESS TO YOUR SITE IS BLOCKED AND YOU NEED TO GET, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY IN AND OUT. AND I THINK THE OTHER ISSUE THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WAS POTENTIAL PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS. YES. THROUGH THE SITE, BASICALLY FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND 82 TOWN CENTER AND FIGURING OUT WHAT THE WAY FINDING IS GOING THROUGH THE SITE. YEAH. HOW THAT WORKS. AND AS WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT INTERNAL CIRCULATION, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANNA CREATE CONFLICTS, WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL PUBLIC SORT OF WALKING THROUGH, HEY, HERE'S THE AMBULANCES I'M TRYING TO GET TO THE TRAIL OUT IN THE FRONT OF THE SITE. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'LL CERTAINLY CONTINUE TO WORK ON IT. IT WAS MY POINT TO, IN OUR CONVERSATION WITH ALLISON, THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH DOES NOT HAVE ANY PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE TOWN CENTER OR TO THE HOSPITAL NECESSARILY, WOULD AT BE THE INTERVIEW PARCEL, BUT TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT WOULD CREATE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS FOR THEM. WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR YEARS TO CONNECT BLACKROCK PARK TO THE TOWN CENTER, TO ANDERSON FARM PARK AND TO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE THERE'S NO GOOD PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY MAY ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. I DON'T KNOW. IT'S STEEP, IT'S WET, IT'S, IT IS PROBLEMATIC, BUT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP LOOKING AT IT. [01:00:02] DEFINITELY A WORK IN PROCESS. YES, EXACTLY. WELL, NOT OVERNIGHT, LIKE YOU SUBMIT A SET OF PLANS, AND YOU GET APPROVAL THAT NIGHT. IT ISN'T HAPPENING, BUT AT LEAST WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS. YEAH, I MEAN WE, WE ACKNOWLEDGE, I MEAN THIS IS A, A LARGE PROJECT FOR THE TOWNSHIP AND IT'S COMPLEX, SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WHEN YOU TAKE THE TIME TONIGHT AND CONTINUE HAVING THE DIALOGUE WITH YOU AS WE WORK THROUGH IT, JUST ONE MORE QUESTION, I, I FORGOT TO ASK THAT OUR, UH, YOUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT AND BRIAN, IS PENNDOT INVOLVED HERE WITH ANY OF THESE TRAFFIC ISSUES? DOES THAT ALWAYS, ALWAYS PRESENTS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY? SO TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY'RE ACCESSING OFF OF ARCOLA ROAD, A TOWNSHIP ROAD? NO, UH, AS THE EXTENT OF, OF, UM, MATCH STUDY, YOU KNOW, EVOLVES TO A COMPLETED STATE, UM, THEY ARE STUDYING INTERSECTIONS ALONG ROUTE 29 AND IF WE'VE, YOU KNOW, COLLECTIVELY AGREED THAT THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE, THAT CERTAINLY WOULD INVOLVE PENDOT ALSO ANY CHANGES TO THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL WILL ALSO, SO PENDOT WILL GET SOME LEVEL OF REVIEW AS THEY'RE CONNECTING THEIR MAIN HOSPITAL ACCESS OPPOSITE, UM, THE MARKET STREET SIGNAL. SO THERE WILL BE PENNDOT INVOLVEMENT. UM, THE EXTENT OF THAT IS YET TO BE DETERMINED. OKAY. CORRECT. GOOD. THANK YOU. I AGREE. BEST PRESENTATION WE'VE HAD ON MIKE , EASY FOR YOU TO SAY. WELL, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. UM, SPECIFICALLY, I MEAN, AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED, WE DO HAVE GILMORE'S REVIEW LETTER WE ARE WORKING ON, WE WILL BE ADDRESSED CLEAN AS PART OF EVERYTHING ELSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WHILST BE, YOU KNOW, WORKING ON ADDRESSING THOSE COMMENTS AND CLEANING UP QUITE A NUMBER OF ITEMS. YEAH. YES. I MEAN, I WILL NOTE SOME, SOME THINGS IN THERE ARE REFERENCED AS PRELIMINARY PLAN ITEMS, SO THEY WOULD NOT BE ADDRESSED RIGHT NOW, BUT WE WILL BE ADDRESSING THE COMMENTS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO THIS AND THIS IS JUST A LARGE YEAH. UNDERTAKING, SO. YEAH, EXACTLY. I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT IT'S A SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT. IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT BUILDING BY HOME. RIGHT, EXACTLY. YOU KNOW, SO YEAH, THERE'S DEFINITELY A PORTION OF COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE 'CAUSE OF THE COMPLEXITY OF THE ORDINANCE AND CLEANING IT UP AND GETTING THE CALCULATIONS TO WORK AND THEN PRESENTED ON THE PLAN. SOME OF THE COMMENTS WERE MADE BECAUSE THE, UM, I FORGET WHAT YOU CALL THE LEVEL, THE STACKING PLAN ISN'T REALLY INCORPORATED INTO THE SIX SHEET PLAN SET, BUT IT WOULD BE FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAN, YOU KNOW, WOULD IT BE ALL ENCOMPASSING? SOME OF THE COMMENTS WERE MADE BECAUSE OF THAT. UM, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW ITEMS THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED IN PRELIMINARY PLAN. THE MAJORITY OF THOSE WERE PULLED OUT BECAUSE THEY'RE REFERENCED INTO THE MASTER PLAN DOCUMENT, WHICH HAPPENS TO OVERLAP THIS DEVELOPMENT. UM, NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD TYPICALLY BE LOOKING AT FOR SKETCH PLAN STAGE, BUT BECAUSE IT OPENED UP THE DOOR WITH THE MASTER PLAN, THOSE COMMENTS ARE IN THERE, WHICH WILL AGAIN BE ADDRESSED DURING PRELIMINARY PLAN. AND THEN THERE ARE TRAFFIC COMMENTS THAT I'LL LET BRIAN SPEAK ABOUT, UM, FOR TIMING OF FIGURING SOME THINGS OUT. YEAH. SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF TRAFFIC COMMENTS. THERE ARE CERTAIN ONES, UH, SPECIFICALLY THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE RECOMMENDING WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM EARLY ON TO MAKE SURE WE ALL HAVE A, A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE IMPROVEMENTS ULTIMATELY WILL NEED TO BE. UH, BUT AS WE WENT THROUGH THE PLAN, WE ALL IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF ISSUES THAT WILL ULTIMATELY BE PRELIMINARY OR FINAL PLAN COMMENTS, AND WE PUT THOSE IN THERE FOR INFORMATION TO, TO START THINKING ABOUT. AND, AND AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH REVISIONS TO THE SITE PLAN AND, AND YOU KNOW, THINKING THROUGH, THERE ARE JUST THINGS THAT WE'RE OBSERVING, NOTHING THAT WOULD HOLD UP A TENTATIVE PLAN APPROVAL. SO WE KIND OF TRIED TO GIVE YOU AS MUCH INFORMATION AND OUR THOUGHTS AS WE COULD EARLY ON. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE UP HERE? NOPE. GOOD. ALLISON, STAY THERE. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE? ALRIGHT. HI, I AM, UH, JOE ZER. I LIVE OVER ON, UH, JOSHUA TREE DRIVE. UH, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE OVERALL PROJECT METHODOLOGY. YOU USING, UH, TIMELINES. ARE YOU, DO YOU HAVE A MASTER, UH, OBJECTIVE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE PROJECT WOULD START, UH, DIGGING, UH, DIGGING OR, UH, END POINTS THAT, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS ALL WORKING TOWARDS? WHAT'S YOUR GOALS? WELL, YESTERDAY, UM, I MEAN SINCE [01:05:01] IT IS A PHASE PROJECT, I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE SEVERAL YEARS. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS ITSELF WILL TAKE SOME TIME THAT'S NOT DRIVEN JUST BY THE TOWNSHIP. WE ALSO NEED TO GET NPDS, WHICH IS STORMWATER PERMIT, AND IF PENDO IS INVOLVED, THEY'RE PERMITTING. THOSE TWO PERMITS TYPICALLY TAKE THE LONGEST. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST A YEAR FOR THOSE TYPES OF, FOR THAT WHOLE PROCESS TO TAKE PLACE. SO IT'S NOT, AND WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH, IF, IF THE BOARD APPROVE THE ZONING AMENDMENT, WE ALSO HAVE A HEARING ON OUR CONDITIONAL USE. ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAPPEN FIRST. SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY DEVELOPMENT OCCURRING FOR, YOU KNOW, YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS PROBABLY AT THE EARLIEST, JUST BASED ON THE, THE NATURE OF PENNSYLVANIA LAND DEVELOPMENT AND THE, AND THE ACTUAL PROCESS. NOW THE OVERALL BUILD OUT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT MAINLAND HEALTH IS STILL WORKING ON IN TERMS OF REFINING HOW THEY WANT TO DO THE PHASES, WHAT THIS MAY ULTIMATELY BE. I MEAN, EVEN PHASE ONE WITH THE HOSPITAL ITSELF, I MEAN, PHASE ONE WOULD START ONCE WE GOT FINAL LAND DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL FOR IT. SO THAT'S WHY I'M JUST SORT OF GIVING, LIKE WE KNOW WHAT OUR GEN YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE GENERAL TIMES FRAMES ARE THAT IT TAKES FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST, THE FIRST PHASE WOULD HAPPEN RIGHT AWAY. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT, IT COULD SIT, I MEAN IT COULD SIT FOR A, A WHILE UNTIL SURE. YOU KNOW. YEAH. I GUESS I'M THE BIG PICTURE OF JUST, YOU KNOW, WILL YOU DEVELOP A PROJECT PLAN THAT LOADS OUT ALL THESE PHASES AND GIVE THE PUBLIC A CHANCE TO GET THEIR HEAD AROUND WHAT YOUR OBJECTIVES ARE IN TOTAL. CAN YOU COME UP WITH YEAH, SORRY. I'M SORRY. YEAH, YOU NEED TO SPEAK TO THE MICROPHONE SO IT GETS PICKED UP BY THE CAMERA. YEAH. YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS I THINK THE PUBLIC WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, HOW WHAT THIS PROJECT IS GONNA EXTEND OUT TO, YOU KNOW, IS IT A FIVE YEAR PROJECT, IS A 10 YEAR PROJECT, IS IT, YOU KNOW, WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOU WORKING ALL TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS YOUR OBJECTIVES TO, UH, AND, AND, AND, AND POSSIBLY WHEN YOU COME TO THESE, TO THE TABLE HERE, THERE'S AT LEAST A REPRESENTATION OF THE TIMELINES THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU'RE ALL WORKING TOWARDS. 'CAUSE IS THIS, IS THIS YOUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY? PERSONALLY? PERSONALLY? WELL, I'M, I'M THE ATTORNEY, BUT SURE. YES. ARE YOU ON, ARE YOU FULL TIME? NO, RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW IT'S YOUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. I REPRESENTED LOTS OF DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS, BUT I PERSONALLY THINK THAT A HOSPITAL IS A VERY IMPORTANT CHANGE AREA. YEAH. LOVE. WE LOVE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. SO THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE NO QUESTION, BUT I PROBLEM SPEAK TO THE MIC IN COMMENTS. WE WON'T BITE. I KNOW YOU WON'T. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JEAN MORRISON. I RESIDE IN THE VANDER SECTION OF WHITE SPRINGS. WHEN THIS FIRST BECAME, UM, NOTE, UH, NOTICE TO EVERYBODY, I SENT A LETTER TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ABOUT MY INITIAL THOUGHTS ON THE PROJECT. SO I'M JUST GONNA READ PARTS OF THAT. SO IT'S OUT IN THE OPEN AND ON RECORD. UM, IN THE WHITE SPRINGS AT PROVIDENCE IS, IS SEPARATED BY OUR COAL ROAD. ONE SIDE IS OVER 55. THE OTHER SIDE IS, UM, NOT AGE RESTRICTED AS, UM, YOUR ONE COMMISSIONER STATED, FACILITIES AND AMENITIES ARE ON ONE SIDE THAT CAUSES CROSSINGS BETWEEN THE TWO SIDES. UM, AT THIS POINT I'M GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF THE HOSPITAL. MY WHOLE BIG CONCERN IS ABOUT TRAFFIC THAT WILL BE BROUGHT ON BY THIS. WE HAVE A TOTAL IN THAT DEVELOPMENT OF 326 UNITS AND, AND ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE, THAT ARE A PART OF THAT. UH, MY EXPERIENCE IS AT ARCOLA ROAD IS BECOMING MORE HEAVILY TRAVELED. MY CONCERNS THAT HOSPITAL WILL BE, WILL BRING MORE TRAFFIC TO THIS ROAD. AND IN THE LAST MONTH OR SO, CONSTRUCTION HAS STARTED ON THIS NEXT PHASE OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEX AT PROVIDENCE TOWN, UM, TOWN CENTER. I WOULD SURMISE THAT ONCE THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS AT AT PARK HOUSE BEGIN, UM, THEIR PROJECT VEHICLE TRIPS ALONG ARCOLA ROAD ARE GOING TO, UM, INCREASE, UH, A LOT. UM, SO I WISH TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADVISE THE COMMISSION THAT EXITING STERLING PLACE ONTO ARCOLA FROM THE MANDER SIDE, UM, CAN BE DIFFICULT. NOW AT THE PRESENT TIME, TRAFFIC HAS ONE STOP ON ARCOLA ROAD AND THAT'S THE LIGHT AT MARKET STREET, UM, BETWEEN ROUTE 29 AND ONE 13. AND THERE'S NO CREATION OF A NATURAL BREAK THAT ALLOWS YOU TO EXIT FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT. UM, THEN DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT'S ALMOST A STRAIGHTAWAY, EVEN WITH THE ROUNDABOUT, UH, SPEED'S ALWAYS AN ISSUE IN THIS AREA. THE VEHICLES SIMPLY SLINGSHOT OUT OF THAT, UH, ROUNDABOUT. AND WHEN THEY'RE TRAVELING WEST ON OUR PI REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA BE LIKE TO TRY AND MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN OUT OF OUR OUT ONTO TO OUR POLO ROAD FROM STERLING PLACE ONCE THE APARTMENTS AND HOSPITAL PROPOSAL ARE COMPLETED. NOT TO MENTION FUTURE PARKHOUSE. UM, WHEN OUR [01:10:01] COMMUNITY WAS BUILT, THE CLUBHOUSE WILL POOL, GYM AND RECREATIONAL FACILITIES WAS BUILT ON THE REGENCY SIDE. THAT'S THE AGE RESTRICTED SIDE. A WALKING PATH WAS BUILT AROUND THE OUTER EDGES OF THE MANOR SIDE, THE NON AGE RESTRICTED SIDE. THIS NECESSITATES NUMEROUS TRIPS BY PEDESTRIANS BETWEEN BOTH SIDES OF THE, OF OUR POLAR ROAD. WHILE THERE ARE CROSSWALKS AND SIGNAGE, AND I'M VERY PLEASED TO HAVE, HAVE THAT SUCH PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS HAVE BECOME VERY TREACHEROUS FOR OUR RESIDENTS. UM, TRAFFIC ON OUR POLAR ROAD DOESN'T STOP FOR PEDESTRIANS MORE THAN IT DOES STOP FOR PEDESTRIANS. MANY VEHICLES ARE IGNORING PEDESTRIANS THAT ARE STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD. CROSSINGS AT THESE CROSSWALKS REMAIN DANGEROUS REGARDLESS OF THE CROSSWALKS INSIDE SIGNAGE, IT'S THERE. VEHICLE OPERATORS SIMPLY DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE PEDESTRIANS AT THESE LOCATIONS AND THE COMPLAINTS, THESE COMPLAINTS ARE FREQUENTLY VOICED BY DIFFERENT RESIDENTS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. RESPECTFULLY TO MATT, UM, AS HE STATED THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO BE BROUGHT ON BY THE, THE HOSPITAL COMPLEX IS GOING TO FLOW BETWEEN ROUTE 29 AND THE HOSPITAL COMPLEX. I KIND OF THINK THAT SOME OF THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO COME DOWN FROM MARCO ROAD BETWEEN EMPLOYEES AND PATIENTS OF THE MEDICAL OFFICES AND OF THE HOSPITAL ITSELF AND VISITORS. SO ARCOLA ROAD WILL INCREASE WITH TRAFFIC. I I, I BRING ALL THIS TO THE ATTENTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THIS EARLY STAGE IN HOPES TO REMIND THE COMMISSION OF THESE VEHICLE EXITS AND PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT WILL BE SEVERELY AFFECTED BY THIS PROJECT. MY HOPE IS THAT REMINDING THE COMMISSION THAT THESE OFF THESE ISSUES EARLY ON, PERHAPS SOME ADDITIONAL PLANNING IN THE FORM OF A TRAFFIC SIGNAL FOR OUR POLAR ROAD, GRAND CANYON DRIVE, STERLING PLACE COULD BE INTEGRATED INTO THESE PLANS. UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME REVIEWING THIS AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO FOR US. THANK YOU. I'LL LET YOU KNOW JUST FROM A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE, YOUR POINTS ARE ABSOLUTELY VALID AND SOMETHING WE'RE CERTAINLY GONNA TAKE A LOOK AT. THERE WAS A TRAFFIC LIGHT PROPOSED FROM, AND, BUT THAT'S PART OF MY LETTER THAT I SENT TO, I JUST DIDN'T READ THAT FOR TIME SAKE. WELL, THE, AND WITH THE, WITH THE ORIGINAL PLAN FOR ALL OF OUR P ROAD, A TRAFFIC LIGHT WAS, WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE PLANNED THERE. YES. AND WITH THE, THE, THE THROUGHWAY TO THE BACK OF THE APARTMENTS, THAT WAS SHELVED AND NO, NO, NO. IT WAS SHELVED BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORS DIDN'T WANT IT. YEAH. THE THROUGHWAY ROAD. NO, BUT THEN NO, THEY DIDN'T WANT THE LIGHT. I SPECIFICALLY REMEMBER THE GENTLEMAN ON THE CORNER DURING THE PROCESS FOR THE APARTMENTS WAS ADAMANT ABOUT NOT WEARING THAT LIGHT. AND THAT WAS THE NEGOTIATION WITH THE APARTMENT COMPLEX. THAT AND THE, THE THROUGH ROAD. BUT, BUT THE LIGHT WAS ABSOLUTELY, THE NEIGHBORS CAME OUT AGAINST THAT. NOW AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A LOOK AT EVERYTHING AND MAYBE IT IS, IT'S ONE OF THOSE NEW LIGHTS THAT WE HAD OUT IN FRONT OF THE TOWN CENTER OR IN FRONT OF THE, THE, THE COMPLEX HERE WHERE YOU PUSH A BUTTON AND IT LIGHTS UP AND FLASHES, UM, DOESN'T HELP THE CARS GET OUT. AND I I'M, I I'M NOT GETTING ON, I JUST, I I WISH I HAD BEEN AWARE OF THAT BECAUSE I'M SURE THERE WERE JUST AS MANY PEOPLE THAT WOULD'VE WANTED THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL. THE TOWNSHIP HAD A MASTER PLAN FOR, AND THE ORIGINAL PLAN FOR THE, FOR THE APARTMENTS HAD THE THROUGH ROAD. I THINK THAT THAT WOULD'VE ALSO ALLEVIATED A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC ISSUES ON GRAND CANYON. AND THE, THE NEIGHBORS THAT CAME OUT AT THE TIME HAD A VERY VALID POINT. AND I'M, I'M NOT DISPARAGING THEM, I'M JUST FROM A FACTUAL BASIS. THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT THERE. I JUST, I WISH WE HAD ALL KNOWN ABOUT IT. I, I UNDERSTAND. AND I'M, AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT WHOLE AREA BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT. THERE'S A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFICKING THROUGH THERE. I DRIVE FAIRLY FREQUENTLY AND THEN YOU'RE AWARE. YEAH. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . IT DOES KIND OF BRING UP A POINT OF, OF LOOKING AT POSSIBLY FOR PEDESTRIANS OVER OR UNDER, I DON'T KNOW, WHICH IS BEST , SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT THEN WITH THE RIGHT PLACE TO PUT IT TOO. IT'S ANOTHER, SO. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE? OKAY. UM, THAT BEING SAID, ANYTHING ELSE TO PRESENT, ZACH? ANYTHING ELSE? UM, [DISCUSSION: FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS] I MEAN, JUST FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. WE CAN GO THROUGH THEM REAL QUICK. YES. OCTOBER 7TH, WE'LL PROBABLY LOOK AT 1 25. MCDADE MINOR SUBDIVISION CAME IN A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. IT SHOULD BE FAIRLY CLEAN. SAY THAT AGAIN SIR. 1 25 SOUTH MINUTE OR 1 25 ADE. IT'S A MINOR SUBDIVISION. UM, THEN THERE'S 5 9 2 MENNONITE ROAD, THE ENTERTAINMENT PICKLE BALL, TENANT LAND DEVELOPMENT. THEY HAVE THEIR ZONING AND THEY HAVE THEIR ZONING RELIEF OR THEIR SPECIAL EXCEPTION. SO THEY'LL, UM, THEY'RE READY TO GET THE TENTATIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND AS THEY LEAVE, POSSIBLY PROBABLY MAIN LINE HEALTH. IF WE GET EVERYTHING LINED UP TO BE A NOVEMBER AGENDA ITEM, THAT WOULD BE OCTOBER 21ST. [01:15:02] UM, AFTER THAT, WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE. SO YOU SAYING OUR NEXT MEETING, OUR NEXT MEETING IS 1 25 WEEKDAY, MINOR SUBDIVISION. THE MENNONITE ROAD ENTERTAINMENT AND PICKLEBALL PLAN WE'VE SEEN ON AND OFF FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS. THEY STILL HAVE TO GET A TENTATIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL. THEY HAVE ZONING RELIEF FOR, WELL, IT'S NOT RELIEF, IT'S A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR THE PICKLEBALL. THEY'VE GOTTEN. THEY'VE THE, OR THE SUPERVISORS HAVE APPROVED THE, UM, THE ENTERTAINMENT THAT ALLOWS 'EM TO HAVE THE BARN AS A WEDDING VENUE'S MOTHER AGRICULTURAL ENTERTAINMENT FACILITIES ON THEIR SITE. BUT WHAT THEY, THE ONE APPROVAL THAT THEY DON'T HAVE IS FOR TENANT LAND AT ALL. AND IF YOU REMEMBER DURING THE PROCESS OF TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING, THEY HAD A PLAN. THEY'VE SHOWED US WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, BUT IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING ALL OF THAT OTHER APPROVALS, THEIR PLAN HAS EVOLVED. SO WE'RE COMING BACK, WE'RE RE-REVIEWING IT AND WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO YOU. THEY'LL MAKE THEIR CASE FOR IT AND, AND SEE IF THEY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO GRANT THEM A RECOMMENDATION FOR ALL OF THAT BEING SAID, OTHER PLANS ARE IN PROCESS. WE CAN GO THROUGH THE AGENDA REAL QUICK. UM, MONTCLAIR TOWNHOUSES HAVE PULLED OFF. THEY'RE WORKING ON SOME OF THEIR PLAN CHANGES. UH, SO THEY'LL, THEY WERE ORIGINALLY, THEY WERE ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FOR TONIGHT WEREN'T. THEY WERE, UM, THERE WAS SOME INFORMATION PROVIDED AT A VERY LATE DATE. AND, AND SO WE CAME TO THE AGREEMENT. THAT'S FINE. UM, L CAR WASH, THE BOARD HAS NOT ACTED ON THE, THE DEED RESTRICTION, SO WE'RE NOT SURE WHERE THEY ARE. I THINK THEY NEED TO GO BACK TO THE BOARD AND GET THE BOARD TO WEIGH IN EITHER WAY. PROVINCE SELF STORAGE. WE'RE REVIEWING THOSE PLANS THAT MAY COME IN INTO ONE OF THESE MEETINGS. MENNONITE ROAD. UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY REVISED PLANS ON THAT, SO THAT'S, WE'RE STILL WAITING ON THEM. SAME WITH SPRING FORWARD WALK. WE'RE WAITING ON THEM. PARK HOUSE AS WE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT A LITTLE BIT, WE'RE WE'RE REVIEWING REVISED PRELIMINARY PLANS. UM, THAT MIGHT BE, IT'S SUCH A BIG PLAN SET THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE LENGTHY LETTERS, SO WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA END UP GOING THROUGH ANOTHER INTERNAL REVISION BEFORE IT COMES BACK TO YOU. BUT I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE APPLICANT. SO, SO THIS MAY BE WHAT, NOVEMBER? MAY MAYBE? YEAH. NOT OCTOBER. NOT OCTOBER. NO, NOT OCTOBER. PROSPERITY DRIVE, WHICH IS NOW CLEMENTS FOOD GROUP OWNS THAT. THEY ARE, UM, THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THEIR, UM, THEIR PLANS. SO WE'LL GET SOME REVISIONS ON THAT. AMELIA STREET, EUROPEAN STATION, HOPWOOD HOMES, THEY ARE ALL VISING IN THEIR OWN PLANS. BURY THEY'RE REVISING THEIR PLANS AND NOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, 5 9 2 MENNONITE ROAD AND MCDADE AND THEN CIPHER PLACE IT GO FOR, THEY MAY COME IN AT THE FIRST MEETING OF NOVEMBER OR MAYBE THE SECOND MEETING IN OCTOBER AND DO A GENERAL INTRODUCTION TO THAT PLAN. AGAIN. I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, WE'VE HAD THE IN BEFORE, BUT IT'S BEEN A WHILE. IT'S, IT IS ROARS FROM BAPTIST WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO KNOCK ON WOOD, WE WON'T HAVE ANYTHING NEW, BUT I MAKE NO PROMISES AND THAT'S ALL. I HAVE LOT OF, A LOT OF STUFF ON HERE. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO BE ADJOURN. A MOTION TO BE ADJOURNED. TONIGHT'S MEETING, MAYOR. SECOND. I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. MAY THE SECOND MEETINGS. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.