* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [* This meeting has been joined in progress *] [00:00:08] I'M KESTER KELLY FROM [APPLICATIONS TO BE HEARD ON AUGUST 19, 2026] BL COMPANIES. WE'RE THE CIVIL ENGINEER ON THIS PROJECT ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. UM, WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN TONIGHT AND GO THROUGH OUR APPLICATION, THE REVIEW LETTERS, OUR WAIVERS, AND JUST HAVE ANY, UH, INITIAL FEEDBACK YOU HAVE, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'LL BE BACK. SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO DO IN THE MEANTIME, WE CAN BE WORKING ON THAT. UM, AS A QUICK INTRODUCTION TO THE PROJECT, WE WERE BOTH IN FRONT OF YOU FOR THE TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN. WE RECEIVED APPROVAL FOR THAT IN OCTOBER OF 2025. UM, AND WE'RE BACK WITH THE APPLICATION, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY THE SAME. UM, THERE'S DEFINITELY BEEN REVISIONS TO ENHANCE IT AND WORK WITH, UH, YOUR CONSULTANTS. UM, BUT IT GENERALLY IT'S THE SAME. WE HAVE A SINGLE WRITE IN WRITE OUT ON RIDGE PIKE. WE'RE PROPOSING A NEW ROUGHLY 8,400 SQUARE FOOT CAR WASH, WHICH IS ONE WET TUNNEL AND TWO DRY TUNNELS. I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THE CIRCULATION IF YOU DON'T HAVE THIS FRESH IN YOUR MIND. I KNOW IT'S BEEN A WHILE. WE'RE PROPOSING 11 EMPLOYEE SPACES, 12 VACUUM SPACES, A PRODUCER PAD, A MAT CLEANER. WE ALSO INCLUDED THE EIGHT FOOT REAR FENCE FOR THE NEIGHBORS THAT WAS APPROVED. ITS ZONING HEARING BOARD THAT HEIGHT. SO IT'S AN EIGHT FOOT WOOD FENCE. AND WE HAVE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING IN THE REAR FOR THE BUFFERING AS WELL. SO AS A QUICK REMINDER, CARS ENTER THE SITE AS A RIGHT IN FROM RIDGE PIKE. THEY GO TO THE LEFT OF THE SITE WHERE THEY ENTER INTO ONE OF THREE PAY STATIONS. THIS IS WHERE THE CUSTOMER PAYS FOR THEIR CAR WASH. UM, IF THEY'RE A MEMBER, THEY JUST ZIP RIGHT THROUGH WITH THEIR CARD READER. THE PAY STATIONS DON'T HAVE ANY SPEAKERS. THEY DON'T MAKE ANY NOISE. THERE'S NOT ANY MUSIC OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THEN CARS WOULD CIRCULATE AROUND AND ENTER IN THE BUILDING ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IN THE WET TUNNEL. WE DO HAVE WHAT'S LIKE AN ESCAPE LANE SO EMPLOYEES CAN HELP DIRECT CARS. IF FOR SOME REASON THEY COULDN'T GO THROUGH THE CAR WASH, UH, CARS WOULD LEAVE THE WET TUNNEL, THEN THEY COULD EITHER CIRCULATE AROUND THE SITE AND ENTER INTO ONE OF THE FREE VACS. THEY COULD THEN LEAVE THE SITE OR THEY COULD CIRCULATE BACK AROUND TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SITE, CIRCULATE BACK INTO THE BUILDING AND ENTER INTO ONE OF THE TWO DRY BELTS. THIS IS WHERE THE CAR GOES ON A CONVEYOR BELT. UH, THE CUSTOMER GETS OUTTA THEIR CAR, GOES TO AN INTERIOR WAITING ROOM, AND THE EMPLOYEES CLEAN OUT THE INSIDE OF THE CAR. WE HAVE RECEIVED, UH, GILMORE'S REVIEW LETTER. I HAVE MET WITH, UM, BOTH JEN AND BRIAN TO REVIEW THE COMMENTS. UM, I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, EVERYTHING IS AT THIS POINT A SATISFAC SATISFYING OUTSIDE AGENCY APPROVALS AND JUST SOME VERY MINOR KIND OF CLEANUP TYPO LEVEL ITEMS. I ASSUME YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BOTH HER LETTERS OF THE FIFTH AND THE 17TH. I'M SORRY, THE 11TH AND SEVEN I SAY. UH, YES. 11TH AND 17TH. I BELIEVE THE LATEST ONE IS AUGUST 17TH. THAT'S EIGHTH, RIGHT? YES, CORRECT. YOU REVIEWED THOSE WITH JEN? I HAVE, YES. WE MET YESTERDAY. UM, AND THEN WE DO HAVE SOME WAIVERS. SO WHENEVER IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TONIGHT, I'D LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO THROUGH THOSE. WHAT'S YOUR TIMEFRAME ON THIS? UM, WE WANNA BE MOVING FORWARD. UM, WE ARE IN WITH THE TOWNSHIP, OBVIOUSLY THROUGH LAND DEVELOPMENT. WE'VE ALSO SUBMITTED OUR MPDS APPLICATION. WE'RE ACTIVELY ENGAGING IN PENNDOT. SO IF YOU ASK THE APPLICANT, THEY'RE GONNA SAY, HOW SOON CAN WE START? RIGHT? THEY'RE READY FOR US TO GET THE PERMITS. WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE UP, GET A YEAR BY THE FIRST IN THE NEXT YEAH. ASK, BECAUSE WE, WE, AT THIS POINT WE'RE SCHEDULED. COULD, CAN YOU JUST STEP FORWARD? I'M SORRY, STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. THANK YOU. RAY GAR. RAY GARGANO. I'M WITH, UM, SPOTLESS. I WAS HERE SOME OF THE LAST MEETINGS. THE, UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE TARGETING, TRYING TO GET STARTED. UM, LIKE I THINK IT'S FEBRUARY, MARCH NEXT YEAR. AND IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A NINE MONTH PROCESS TO BUILD THIS TYPE OF PROCESS. A LOT OF DEMO, RIGHT? WELL, WE, THE DEMO WILL BE QUICK. IT'S JUST A BUILDING. THE BUILDING. WE'RE WE'RE, WE MAY BE ABLE TO GET THAT A LITTLE SHORTER THAN WE HAVE IN THE PAST. WE'RE STARTING TO USE A PRE-ENGINEERED BUILDING, UM, AS A, YOU KNOW, THE STRUCTURE. THEY'VE BEEN GOING FASTER, BUT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, LIKE TO GET A COUPLE OF 'EM DONE BEFORE WE START PROJECTING FASTER. BUT IT, IT'LL, IT'S SOMETIME, SOMETIME IN THE LATE FALL NEXT YEAR. THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE TARGET. SO YOU SAID FEBRUARY, NOW YOU SAY LATE FALL? NO, START FEBRUARY START. SORRY. YEAH. THEN IT'S NOT YOU. EIGHT, NINE MONTH, 10 MONTH GOT IT. TIMEFRAME TO GET IT DONE. THANK YOU. AND THE NEIGHBOR TO, UH, ON RIDGE TO YOUR LEFT. EXCUSE ME. DID YOU COME IN [00:05:01] ANY, I KNOW THAT'S RENTAL. ANY PROBLEM THERE? WE'VE TALKED, I'VE TALKED TO HIM A FEW TIMES. UM, HE WAS AT THE LAST COUPLE MEETINGS, TALKED TO HIM. THEN I THINK HE'S OKAY WITH IT. WE HAVE ANOTHER NEIGHBOR HERE THAT'S BEHIND US THAT WE'VE TALKED TO ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS. UM, THAT WAS PART OF THE CONCEPT. I DUNNO KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER, WE WERE HERE BEFORE, WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING IN A 10 FOOT WALL AND IT, WE KIND OF ADDED IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MEETING TO GIVE SOME WORSE SOUND. HMM. EIGHT FEET. EIGHT FEET WALL TO PUT IN THERE AS A, A, YOU KNOW, AS A, AS A VARIANCE WITH ALL THE NEIGHBORS THAT WERE HERE. SO, SO WHERE'S THE BACK? UH, ON THE SIDE HERE OR ON THE FRONT? IN THE FRONT. IN THE FRONT OF THAT. OH, OKAY. SO THE NOISE IS VISIBLE THERE, RIGHT? IT'S ALL OVER THE ROAD. CORRECT. THE, THE, ANYTHING FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE IS LOCATED AS FAR AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTS. LIKE I SAID, THE PAY STATIONS THEMSELVES DON'T MAKE ANY NOISE. THERE'S NOT A SPEAKER OR ANYTHING. UM, ALL THE OTHER OPERATIONS ARE ENCLOSED WITHIN THE BUILDING. YEAH. SO TO ENTER WHEN YOU ENTER, DECIDE IF I'M A MEMBER OR NOT A MEMBER OR JUST WANT ONE CAR WASH, IT'S ALL CREDIT CARD. CORRECT. ON CASH. WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE CASH, BUT WE'RE NOT, WE HAVE NOT BEEN DOING CASH UP HERE. OKAY. I MEAN, I, I CAN'T SAY THAT IT'LL NEVER BE CASH, BUT GENERALLY ITS NOT BEEN CASH. THAT'S THE PLAN. IT'S NOT THE PLAN TODAY. IT'S NOT THE PLAN TODAY. I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, I I DON'T WANNA SAY NEVER, NEVER. THAT WOULD BE A MISTAKE. WELL, EVERY REASON I ASK YOU, BECAUSE I THINK THAT JUST MAKES IT SIMILAR, BOBBY, RIGHT? WELL, I KNOW KERA WOULD, WOULD KEH WOULD SAY THIS, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO IS THAT WHEN WE HAVE THE EMPLOYEES, THERE'S ALWAYS AN EMPLOYEE STANDING AT THOSE. OH, SO THERE'S, SO IF SOMEBODY GETS THERE AND THEY'RE CONFUSED, THERE'S SOMEBODY TO HELP 'EM GO THROUGH, WELL BRING 'EM IN THE LANE, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE DOING THE CREDIT CARD. RIGHT. THEY, A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL TAKE THE CREDIT CARD AND JUST DON'T, DOESN'T WORK. YEAH. JUST GET 'EM THROUGH. SO, 'CAUSE THE WORST THING FOR US IS WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT A LINE, YOU KNOW? YEAH. YOU DON'T WANT A LINE. WELL, PEOPLE DO. I UNDERSTAND. YEAH, IT'S A GOOD, SO THERE'S ALWAYS, ALWAYS AT LEAST ONE. THERE IS. IF IT'S A BUSY TIME, THEY'LL HAVE, SOMETIMES THEY'LL HAVE TWO EMPLOYEES THERE. OKAY. SO THE PARKING ON THE RIGHT, RIGHT ADJACENT THE BUILDING ON THE RIGHT IS, UH, EMPLOYEE, EMPLOYEE ONLY. YES. THERE'S, THERE'S NO CUSTOMER PARKING. 'CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING FOR A CUSTOMER TO PARK TO AND WALK INSIDE THE BUILDING. THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN PURCHASE. YOU CAN'T EVEN BUY A CAR WASH INSIDE. YOU HAVE TO DO THAT AT THE PAY STATION. OKAY. YOUR, UM, JEN, RIGHT? DID YOU GUYS THAT, UM, WELL, WE CAN GO THROUGH WAIVERS. YEAH. WE READY? BUT I JUST WANNA GET YOUR BUT GENERAL KNOWLEDGE BEFORE WAIVERS, ANYTHING EXACTLY. YOU GUYS, OR, UM, JUST FROM A CIRCULATION STANDPOINT. WELL, GO AHEAD. YEAH, SO, UH, WE, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS AND, AND THE COMMENT IS IN THE LETTER, UM, WE HEARD FROM PENDOT ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY. UH, THERE HASN'T BEEN, UH, A FORMAL HOP PLAN SUBMISSION YET. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT PROCESS STILL HAS TO GO ON. UH, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT PENDOT RAISED, AND WE'VE RAISED IT, UH, IS JUST THE OPERATION OF THE RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT. UM, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERN OF, OF FOLKS THAT, THAT DON'T FOLLOW THAT CROSS OVER AND, AND LEFT AND MAKE A LEFT WHEN THEY, THEY THEY SHOULDN'T BE. UM, AND SO, UH, WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, BACK AND FORTH WITH, WITH KESTRA AND, AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO SEE WHAT, WHAT CAN BE DONE. UM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT PROCESS IS STILL ONGOING. IS THERE GONNA BE A SIGN OR SOMETHING? UH, THERE'S GONNA BE NO LEFT TURN SIGNS. I, I AM CONFIDENT OF THAT. YES. THE, THE QUESTION IS, DOES THERE NEED TO BE SOMETHING MORE SIGNIFICANT THAN JUST A SIGN, LIKE A SNIPER OR SOMETHING? I I MAYBE A LITTLE LESS . I WON'T ADVOCATE FOR THAT EXTREME, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE LOCATIONS AND PENNDOT, THIS IS A CONCERN THAT PENNDOT HAS NOT, NOT JUST FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA, BUT ANYTIME YOU'RE MAKING A WRITE IN, WRITE OUT RESTRICTION, THE CONCERN IS, IS THE MOTORING PUBLIC GONNA FOLLOW THAT? AND IF THEY DON'T, NOW YOU'RE, THE FOLKS THAT ARE BEHIND THEM ARE NOT EXPECTING THAT THEY'RE NOT EXCITED. YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'RE EXPECTING THE VEHICLE TO BE CONTINUING EASTBOUND AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY STOP TO MAKE A LEFT TURN. WHERE, WHERE ARE YOU GOING? ? YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND, AND THAT ALMOST CREATES MORE OF A DANGEROUS SITUATION, UH, IN AND OF ITSELF. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSIONS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN WITH, WITH PENDOT ON, ON HOW TO RESOLVE THAT. SO IF I DO WANT TO COME IN FROM THE LEFT, NOT GOING EAST ON RIDGE, YEP. I HAVE TO GO DOWN TO LIDS, MAKE A LEFT TURN UP AT THE, AT THE LEFT TURN LANE, AND THEN GO AROUND THE OTHER BUILDINGS AND COME OUT [00:10:01] THROUGH, THAT WOULD BE ONE OPTION THROUGH THE SHOPPING CENTER WOULD BE, WOULD BE ONE OPTION TO DO THAT. IF YOU WANNA STAY ON PUBLIC ROADS, IT'S A MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT RIGHT OUT OF YOUR, OUT OF YOUR WAY. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE GOAL HERE IS OBVIOUSLY I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC PATTERN IS ESTABLISHED, AND SO IF YOU'RE WANTING TO GO GET YOUR CAR WASHED, YOU, YOU KNOW HOW TO GET IN THERE. WELL, I'M JUST LOOKING NOW, I'M, I'M THINKING U-TURNS AT THAT. MM-HMM . AT THAT, AT THAT TURNING LANE. ALL, ALL, ALL OF THAT IS, IS, YOU KNOW, THE, THAT'S THE TYPE OF CONCERNS THAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT. AND YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE WORKED ENOUGH WITH PENNDOT, THERE'S NOTHING THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY BUILD. IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A U-TURN LEFT TURN TO GET INTO IT, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN. THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT IS TO BUILD A MEDIAN ALL, YOU KNOW, FROM ONE INTERSECTION TO THE NEXT AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE U-TURNS AT THOSE INTERSECTIONS. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. SO JUST A COUPLE THINGS TO THAT POINT. SO, UM, I DEFINITELY ECHO WHAT BRIAN SAID, THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE LEARNED IS THAT PEOPLE BUILD CAR WASHES INTO THEIR DAILY ROUTINE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT EXPECTING TRAFFIC TO BE DRIVING DOWN RIDGE PIKE AND THEN SEE THIS CAR WASH AND IMMEDIATELY WANT TO TAKE A LEFT TURN AND GO IN, RIGHT? IT'S PEOPLE THAT TYPICALLY BUILD IT INTO THEIR DAILY ERRANDS OR TO OR FROM WORK OR WHATEVER. UM, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON SEVERAL OF THESE SPECIFIC CAR WASHES, UH, THIS GENERAL TEAM OF BL AND TPD FOR SPOTLESS. UM, SO WE'RE ENGAGED IN MULTIPLE PENNDOT PERMIT PROCESS RIGHT NOW. THIS IS A COMMENT AND CONDITION THAT PENNDOT IS NOTING ON ALMOST ALL WRITE IN WRITE OUTS. I'M ASSUMING THIS IS HAPPENING ON OTHER TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS AS WELL. JUST NOTING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ALL CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH TO CONTROL HOW PEOPLE WILL GENERALLY DRIVE. UM, I THINK THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED SOME POTENTIAL IN THE FUTURE SOLUTIONS THAT COULD HELP ELIMINATE THAT IF THAT PROVES TO BE A PROBLEM. UM, BUT I THINK THAT, UM, IN THIS CASE TOO, PEOPLE WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO GO OVER THREE LANES OF TRAFFIC. THEY WOULD HAVE TO CROSS OVER THE LEFT HAND TURN LANE AND THEN TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC . I MEAN, I'M SURE THERE'S GONNA BE SOMEBODY THAT'S GONNA TRY AGAIN. I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT, BUT COME ON, LET'S HOPE THAT THAT'S SOMEWHAT OF A DETERRENT AS WELL. UM, IF THEY'RE GONNA DO IT, IF I WERE DOING IT, I'D GO UP AND TRY TO DO IT AT THE, AT THE ENTRANCE WHERE YOU'RE NOT GOING INTO A TURN LANE. THAT'S THE BIG THING HERE. IT'S KIND OF YOU'RE, YEAH, YOU'RE CROSSING ETERNALLY. AND I WOULD SAY THAT THE YOU DO WHAT? I'M SORRY, WHAT YOU, I'M JUST SAYING IF IT, THE TURN, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OUR RIGHT END, RIGHT OUT AND THE RIGHT END, RIGHT OUT TO THE RIGHT OF US IS THEY HAVE THAT CROSS AREA THEY CAN PULL INTO AND NOT GET SMACKED. MY CONCERN IS, AND AND THIS IS WHERE I I KIND OF AGREE WITH THE CONCERN, IS IF PEOPLE ACTUALLY TRY TO MAKE A TURN THROUGH THAT TURN LANE, THEY'RE CRA THAT'S . I MEAN'S A LOT OF CRAZY PEOPLE. THAT'S REALLY, THAT, THAT'S REALLY DANGEROUS. CAN YOU MAKE THAT, CAN YOU MAKE THAT RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT SORT OF CURVE SO THAT IT MAKES IT A LITTLE HARDER TO MAKE THE LEFT? BRIAN? WE, WE DO HAVE, WE DO HAVE THAT, WE HAVE UH, UH, MEDIAN SORT LIKE IT'S DOWN THERE IN THE, IN THE NEXT, UH, BILL. YEAH. THEY, THEY HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR, UH, IN THEIR DESIGN. AND OBVIOUSLY AS THEY GO THROUGH THE PEN REVIEW PROCESS THAT MAY GET TWEAKED AS, AS PENDO, YOU KNOW, MAKES COMMENTS AND, AND DIRECTIONS. UH, BUT LIKE I SAID, WE CAN MAKE THAT CHANNELIZING ISLAND HOWEVER DIMENSIONS WE CAN COME UP WITH AND TODAY'S VEHICLES WITH THE TIGHT TURNING RADII THAT THEY'VE GOT. SURE. THEY CAN TURN AROUND AND IF, IF THEY'RE WANTING TO, THEY WILL. YEAH. OR ME WITH MY RIGGED UP FOUR WHEEL DRIVE, I'LL JUST DRIVE. JUST DRIVE. YEAH. UH, BUT WE, WE DO, WE WILL BE IMPLEMENTING LIKE THAT CONCRETE MEDIAN PORK CHOP SO THAT, YOU KNOW, AND APPROPRIATE SIGNAGE, PAVEMENT, MARKINGS, UM, AND AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, HOW DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO REALLY HAVE THAT. I UNDERSTAND. I'M JUST QUESTIONING JUST FOR YEAH. FOR YOU GUYS, I GUESS. AND I WOULD JUST, I THINK IT'S GOTTA BE A LITTLE LIMITING FOR YOUR BUSINESS A LITTLE BIT. NOT MAYBE YOU, MAYBE YOU BUILD THAT IN, INTO YOUR MODEL, BUT WELL, YOU MEAN FROM A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT? YEAH. NO, WE, NO, IF WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T GO OUT LOOKING FOR RIGHT IN. RIGHT. YEAH. THEY WOULD PREFER, THEY PREFER, THAT'S WHY BRINGING IT UP, I'M JUST SURE THAT YOUR BUSINESS IS SUCCESSFUL. SP HAS EVALUATED THAT AND STILL FEELS AT THIS LOCATION THAT IS SUFFICIENT ACCESS. AND ALSO THE LOCATION OF WHERE WE ARE ABLE TO LOCATE THAT ALLOWS FOR A SMALL DECELERATION LANE OFF OF RIDGE PIKE, WHICH I DO THINK WILL BE A BENEFIT AS WELL. SO PEOPLE WON'T BE TURNING IN RIGHT IMMEDIATELY FROM THE TRAVEL LANE. ARE WE GOT ANY, ANYBODY YOU GOT ANY QUESTIONS OR, WELL, IN GENERAL, I MEAN, UM, THERE WERE ITEMS THAT, UM, YOU RESPONDED TO ON YOUR, IN THE UH, [00:15:03] AUGUST, WELL, AUGUST THE, THE 11TH OF AUGUST. UM, YOU RESPONDED, I ASSUME LOTS OF ISSUES. THERE WERE LIKE 35 ITEMS WITH SUB ITEMS AND THERE ARE ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS AND COMMENTS, WHATEVER. I GUESS I JUST WANT TO ASK JEN, IF ALL OF THOSE, DO YOU FEEL SATISFIED THAT THEY'VE BEEN RESOLVED ALL THOSE ISSUES IN HER LETTER, DO YOU THINK HER RESPONSE WAS DEALT WITH APPROPRIATELY? YEP. OKAY. AND UM, THEN YOU THEN ALSO SUBMITTED A LETTER ON THE 17TH AND UM, THERE'S LIKE 31 ITEMS IN YOUR LETTER ON THE 17TH OF AUGUST. YEAH, THE AUGUST 11TH IS THEIR SUBMISSION BACK TO US. CORRECT. AND THEN WE REVIEWED IT AND ISSUED THE AUGUST 17TH CORRECT LETTER THERE. I BELIEVE WERE TWO, UM, ENGINEERING SITE ITEMS THAT WERE TYPOS KIND OF THAT THEY'RE GONNA UPDATE. EVERYTHING ELSE IS FINISHED. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT BRIAN, THE TRANSPORTATION COMMENTS THAT ARE IN THERE AND PENDO. UM, AND THEN THERE ARE WAIVERS. OKAY. SO THAT ARE OUTSTANDING. SO AS FAR AS THE ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT THEY PREVIOUSLY ADDRESSED, THE LATEST AUGUST 17TH LETTER, THEY NOW ALSO IDENTIFIED IN YOU'RE HAPPY AND PLEASED WITH THEIR RESPONSE AND BEING OKAY. YEP. OKAY. SO WE ONLY HAVE TO THEN DEAL WITH, TALK ABOUT WAIVERS. OKAY. WE'RE READY. YOU WANNA DO THAT AGAIN? SURE. DO YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH THEM? WELL, WHOEVER WANTS TO TAKE I'M HAPPY TO. OKAY. UM, SO WAIVER NUMBER ONE, I'M GONNA SKIP READING THE SECTION NUMBER UNLESS ANYONE NO, WE DON'T WOULD OBJECT TO. UM, NUMBER ONE IS TALKING ABOUT EXISTING PROPOSED FEATURES AND SHOWING THE FEATURES A HUNDRED FEET OFF OF THE PROPERTY. WE HAVE SHOWN IT COMPLETELY ON THE PROPERTY AND WITHIN THE FULL RIGHT OF WAY. BUT WE WOULD ASK FOR A WAIVER FOR, YOU KNOW, OFFSITE SURVEY OF ADJACENT PROPERTIES. UM, THE NEXT WAIVER TALKS ABOUT SOME, A LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENT ABOUT SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE, THE TYPE AND CALIBER AND GENERAL HEALTH OF THE TREES ON SITE. UM, DUE TO THE NATURE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND UM, REALLY HAVING TO DISTURB A MAJORITY OF THE SITE, WE ARE NOT ABLE TO MAINTAIN OR KEEP ANY OF THE EXISTING TREES. WE HAVE ILLUSTRATED THE TREES. WHAT'S THAT? WHAT'S THAT? EXCUSE ME? WHAT'S THAT LETTER? I, I, THAT WAS A DOWNING TOWN LETTER. I THINK THAT'S THE LETTER YOU SENT ME TODAY. I SENT YOU THE FIRST ONE WAS THE WRONG ONE? YES. OKAY. AND THEN I HOPEFULLY HAD SENT YOU THE CORRECT ONE. I'LL TAKE FOR IT. I WAS GONNA SAY, I'M LOOKING AT DENNIS. I, AS I MENTIONED, WE ARE WORKING ON SEVERAL OF THESE PROJECTS FOR SPOTLESS. AND I, I APOLOGIZE, I HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A, I'M SURE YOU ARE A MIND MEL FOR A MINUTE AND APOLOGIZE. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IN MY EFFORT AT THE RIGHT PAPER IN MY EFFORT TO GET IT BACK, I I WENT TOO FAST. UM, SO ON OUR PLAN, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THE SIZE AND A CALIPER OF THE EXISTING TREES, UM, WHICH BASICALLY EN ENABLES US TO CALCULATE THE REQUIRED TREE REPLACEMENT, WHICH IS ALL SPELLED OUT ON OUR LANDSCAPE PLAN. BUT WE HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THE HEALTH AND ANYTHING SINCE THE TREES UNFORTUNATELY CANNOT BE PRESERVED. UM, THE NEXT WAIVER TALKS IS A TECHNICAL ONE ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE PLAN LETTERING. UM, PER OUR STANDARDS WE USE 0.08 INCHES VERSUS 0.1 INCH. UM, I STILL BELIEVE THE PLANS ARE LEGIBLE AND READABLE AS IS, UH, DRAINAGE. IT IS A, IT'S REALLY A PARTIAL WAIVER IN GENERAL, YOU WANT A MINIMUM SLOPE DIRECTING WATER AWAY FROM THE STRUCTURES. UM, IN VERY ISOLATED AREAS. WE HAVE SLIGHTLY LESS THAN THAT AT ONE POINT A HALF PERCENT. UM, BUT THAT REALLY HELPS US BALANCE SOME OF THE EARTH WORK ON THE SITE. UM, AND WE DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT IS GOING TO CAUSE ANY ADVERSE, UH, WATER PONDING OR ANY ISSUES AROUND THE BUILDING. UM, THEN THERE'S A WAIVER FIVE. HE TALKS ABOUT OPEN SPACE AND NEEDING AN OPEN SPACE FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT. UM, WE'RE REQUESTING A WAIVER FOR THAT 'CAUSE WE DON'T REALLY FEEL LIKE THAT'S APPROPRIATE AS THE RECREATION FACILITIES AT THE WASH. YES. DON'T NEED TO PLAY, HAVE A PLAYGROUND FOR KIDS AT THE WASH. YOU NEED NOTHING. YOU SAID, WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S REALLY APPROPRIATE FOR THIS TYPE OF USE. I MEAN, WE DO HAVE FOR INSIDE LIKE AN INTERIOR WAITING AREA FOR CUSTOMERS THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, REST ROOM FACILITIES AND EVERYTHING. BUT IN TERMS OF ANYTHING ON THE SITE THAT DIDN'T FEEL APPROPRIATE, UM, THE NEXT WAIVER JUST TALKS ABOUT PIPE SIZES AND MATERIAL, MINIMUM PIPE SIZES BEING 15 INCH FOR SOME OF THE ROOF LEADERS AND UNDER DRAINS FOR STORM SEWER PIPES ONLY. [00:20:01] UM, WE ARE PROPOSING LESS THAN THAT, BUT WE'LL PROPOSE THAT THAT HAS ADEQUATE SIZING. AND THEN THE LAST ONE TALKS ABOUT OUR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT DETENTION BASIN. THERE'S A REQUIREMENT THAT IT DRAINS DOWN IN 24 HOURS. UM, THE TYPE OF BASIN WE'RE USING PER P-A-D-E-P STANDARDS, UM, MIMICS A SLOW RELEASE CONCEPT AND THAT DRAINS DOWN WITHIN 72 HOURS AND THAT MEETS DEP REGULATIONS. OKAY. AND JEN, THE TECHNICAL ONES LIKE THAT AND THE PIPE SIZE AND STUFF, YOU'RE FINE WITH IT. YEAH. THESE ARE WAIVERS YOU'VE HEARD RECENTLY ON OTHER PROJECTS TOO. THE CONVEYANCE SYSTEMS ARE ALL MEETING THE MINIMUM PIPE SIZE. IT'S REALLY THE ROOF DRAINS OR SMALL CONNECTIONS BETWEEN BASINS, UM, OUTLET STRUCTURES, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH THEM AND THE OTHER ONE? YEAH, WE, THERE'S NO PLAYGROUND. WELL, WE CAN'T VOTE ON IT, BUT THANK YOU. I KNOW, I APPRECIATE THAT. THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANYTHING IN THERE THAT WOULD KEEP US THROUGH OKAY. MOVING THIS FORWARD AT THIS PLAY. I DON'T, I'M NOT PROMISE YOU. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I, I WON'T, I WON'T HOLD YOU TO IT, BUT WON. WE APPRECIATE ANY FEEDBACK AND UM, I GUESS WE'LL JUST WORK AND WHEN WE CAN GET BACK IN FRONT OF YOU. MY, MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT TURN IN TURN NOT, AND I, YOU KNOW, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT'S JUST, HECK, I TRAVEL THAT ROAD EVERY DAY, SO I KNOW HARASS TAKE CARE OF THAT. YEAH. YOU THINK, OR IF WE WERE TO COME BACK WHEN YOU HAVE A QUORUM, DO YOU THINK THAT THAT'S THE TYPE OF THING WE CAN PUT INTO THE AGREEMENT THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH PENDO AND STILL GET THE APPROVAL OR, I MEAN, I'M JUST WONDERING WHERE WELL, I I, I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T USE THAT AS A, UH, IMPEDIMENT TO MOVING FORWARD. I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT, HEY, I, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST, I WAS JUST CURIOUS 'CAUSE I TRAVELED THAT ROAD EVERY DAY. SO HOW THAT'S ALL GONNA WORK. 'CAUSE I CAN SEE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE BRINGING SOMETHING BACK TO YOU THAT YOU GOT THAT WORKS FOR YOU. YEAH, BUT I THINK THE INTEREST OF THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT YOU AND BRIAN ARE WORKING TOGETHER WITH PENNDOT AND ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE GREAT CONFIDENCE IN GILMORE AND BRIAN TO DEAL WITH YOU FOLKS AND PENNDOT TO COME UP WITH THE BEST POSSIBLE SOLUTION. SO I WOULD THINK THAT THAT'S A CONTINUING DIALOGUE UNTIL YOU GET PENNDOT'S APPROVAL FOR ANYTHING. I MEAN, YOU CAN'T MOVE FORWARD IS MY UNDERSTANDING. YEAH, I I I THINK THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE YOUR HOP BEFORE. WE'LL GRANT APPROVALS, WE CAN'T DO THAT. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO. I DO THINK THAT THE TOWNSHIP WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME FORM OF REVIEW BY PENDOT INDICATING THAT THE LOCATION OF THE DRIVEWAY IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE. LIKE BASICALLY THAT THEY'RE FINE WITH IT. THEY, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT'S A REVIEW LETTER, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY COME BACK AND THEY DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. BUT MAYBE THERE'S SOME OTHER TECHNICAL ISSUES. I THINK THAT'S FINE. WELL, I GUESS WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE THAT WITH THE SCOPING DOCUMENT. YEAH. AND THAT WAS WHERE, UM, PINUP MADE THE COMMENT ABOUT, HEY, PUT THIS AS A CONDITION OF THE PERMIT FOR THE WRITE IN, WRITE OUT. BUT THEY DIDN'T OBJECT TO IT. THEY ALSO, LIKE I SAID, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THAT COMMENT AND THAT CONDI CONDITION OR CONSISTENT WHERE WE'RE SEEING OTHER WRITE IN AND WRITE OUTS. AND I THINK OUR BIGGEST CONCERN IS JUST THAT IF PENDO COMES IN AND THEY SAY, HEY, WE WANNA SEE THE DRIVEWAY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO THE LAYOUT AND YOU MAY HAVE TO COME BACK IN FOR AMENDED. SURE. I THINK WE FEEL CONFIDENT WE'VE PASSED THAT HURDLE WITH PENDO. AND ONE, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THAT IS, THERE IS ONE OF OUR ORIGINAL MEETINGS, THE DISCUSSION WAS WE WANTED TO SLOW YOU GUYS BECAUSE WHAT WE DIDN'T ORIGINALLY HAVE A SLOWDOWN AND THAT TO HAVE A SLOWDOWN LANE IT NEEDS TO BE, SO THAT WAS JUST PART OF THE ORIGINAL CONVERSATION. YEAH. AND, AND REALLY THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT IS. IT'S A COMBINATION OF WHAT, WHAT ARE THE, YOUR SITE ISN'T LARGE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE WOULD LOVE TO DO. WE'D LOVE TO HAVE THE SLOW DOWN AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET FULL ACCESS. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SO, SO BASICALLY IT'S, IT'S WHAT COMBINATION GIVES US THE BEST CHANCE FOR SUCCESS. UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT ZACH'S KIND OF REFERRING TO IS, I THINK ULTIMATELY FOR BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR ALONG, WE'D LIKE TO AT LEAST GET ONE PLAN SUBMISSION TO DEPEND ON AND JUST CONFIRM WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE HEARD IN THE, IN THE SCOPING APPLICATION, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SEEING IT ON THE PLAN, NOT JUST A CONCEPT PLAN AND IN THE, IN THE STUDY. COOL. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY, GUYS ALL REALIZE WE'RE NOT ARGUING ANY OF THIS. WE'RE NOT, AND ULTIMATELY PENNDOT'S GONNA DICTATE WHAT YOU DO. RIGHT. THAT WAS MY POINT. I MEAN, BETWEEN YOU FOLKS, PENNDOT AND BRIAN AS OUR ENTRY CONSULTANT, I MEAN, THE THREE OF YOU HAVE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. RIGHT. AND, UH, [00:25:01] THAT I THINK'S ALL WE'RE LOOKING FOR AND I DON'T SEE IF THERE'S ANY IMPEDIMENT ALL THOUGH, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST CURIOSITY QUESTIONS. WELL, BUT IT, BUT IT HAS TO HAPPEN IN A POSITIVE APPROPRIATE. WELL, I'M NOT GONNA HAVE ANY EFFECT ON THAT. UNDERSTOOD. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? COME ON. YOU TWO ARE THE PUBLIC . UM, WELL, OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T VOTE TONIGHT. I THINK I, I SEE NO MAJOR PLAN. YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW, WAIVERS DON'T LOOK LIKE THERE ARE ANY BIG ISSUES. SO I THINK THAT UNFORTUNATELY IF YOU COME BACK THE NEXT TIME, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE DO IT QUICKLY. OKAY. WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR, FOR UNDERSTANDING AND BEING HERE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. ALL RIGHT, JEFFREY, FUTURE [DISCUSSION: FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS] AGENDA ITEMS? OH, UH, YOU KNOW, MY BEST GUESS AT THIS POINT, UM, MONTCLAIR TOWN HOMES LOOKS LIKE THEY WANT TO BE ON SEPTEMBER 2ND, BUT THEY DID JUST SUBMIT A PLAN THIS WEEK. UM, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO TALK, SPEAK TO JEN'S WORKFLOW. SO WE'RE SEEING HOW THAT WORKS OUT TO SEE IF WE CAN BE ON THE SECOND, OR IF THEY CAN, IF THEY NEED TO BE ON THE 16TH, WE'LL PROBABLY MAKE A DECISION IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO. UM, ONCE JEN'S PEOPLE GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT, UH, FOX LANE BRIDGE PIKE WANTS TO COME BACK IN ON THE SECOND. SO EITHER WAY WE'LL BE HAVING THAT MEETING, EVEN IF IT'S JUST FOR AN INFORMAL DISCUSSION OF, OF FOX LANE. WHO GO FOX LANE. FOX. FOX LANE IS ROARS GROUP. SIXTH AVENUE? NO, NO. FOX LANE IS, IS, UM, RIDGE, PIKE LID. OH YES, YES, YES, YES. THE, THE 250 UNITS WITH SOME RETAIL UP FRONT, EXCUSE, THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT ONE OF THE, UH, THEY'RE NOT AN OFFICIAL APPLICATION ITEMS. NO, THEY THEY HAVEN'T PUT AN OFFICIAL APPLICATION. NO, THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY WENT THROUGH YOUR COMMENTS FROM, I THINK IT WAS THE JULY 1ST MEETING. RIGHT? THEY MADE SOME CHANGES. I THINK THEY MADE SOME CHANGES IN, IN, IN MY OPINION AND ONLY MY OPINION IN A GOOD DIRECTION. UM, THAT'S GONNA BE FOR YOU TO, TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION. THEY WANNA COME BACK AND PRESENT TO YOU BEFORE THEY GO TO THE BOARD AND, AND SEE IF, IF THEY HAVE, I THINK THEY HAVE TWO OR THREE OPTIONS, WHICH ALSO INCLUDES THE ONE YOU ALREADY SAW, BUT SOME OTHER OPTIONS AS THEY GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. ANOTHER MEETING WITH US, THEY WANT TO GO TO THE SUPERVISOR. THEY DO BECAUSE THEY'RE MEETING, THEY DON'T WANNA PUT APPLICATION IN BEFORE THEY DO ALL THAT. WELL, BECAUSE IT'S A REZONING AND BECAUSE WE HAVE TO REWRITE THE ZONING. THEY DON'T WANNA SPEND, HAVE SOMEONE SPEND THE TIME TO REWRITE THE ZONING AND TO PUT THE APPLICATION IN. IF THEY GET TO THE BOARD, THE BOARD JUST GOES, THAT'S NICE, BUT WE'RE NOT EVEN GONNA CONSIDER IT. WHICH THE BOARD HAS EVERY RIGHT TO DO BECAUSE IT'S A ZONING. SO I THINK THEY'RE, THEY WANT TO SORT OF, YOU KNOW, DO A LITTLE BIT OF FORMAL FIRST JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF IT BEFORE THEY MAKE IT A FORMAL APPLICATION. WELL, IF THEY COME IN ON THE SECOND THEY PRESENT TO US, DO WE, SINCE THAT IS A A, A PRECURSOR TO MOVING FORWARD, DO WE GIVE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD ON THAT? I THINK YOU CAN GIVE AN INFORMAL RECOMMENDATION. I THINK YOU CAN GIVE SOME INFORMAL COMMENTS AND SAY, HEY, I LIKE PLAN ONE. I'M NOT A FAN OF PLAN TWO. PLAN THREE IS, YOU KNOW, OKAY. IF THAT ONE WORKS. UM, AND LIKE JERRY, LAST TIME HE MADE A COMMENT ABOUT, I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE RETAIL ON THIS SIDE AND MAYBE A BOULEVARD ENTRANCE. THAT'S SOMETHING THEY'VE INCORPORATED INTO THAT. IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE, THAT'S GREAT. I THINK WHEN THEY GO TO THE BOARD, THEY'RE GONNA BE PRESENTING, IF IT'S THREE PLANS, THEY'RE GONNA BE PRESENTING THREE PLANS AGAIN, BUT THEY'RE GONNA GO TO THE BOARD AS INFORMATION OR IS IT INFORMATIONAL ONLY? JUST LIKE THEY'RE HERE FOR YOU. GOT IT. GOT IT. AND AGAIN, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE COMMENTS AND YOU WANT TO SEND A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD, IT'S JUST A RECOMMENDATION. SO YOU CAN SEND THAT AT ANY POINT IN TIME. OKAY. YOU COULD RANK THE RECOMMENDATION THAT, HEY, THEY HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO. WE DON'T WANNA SEE THE ZONING YET. OR YOU CAN SAY, HEY, WE THINK THIS IS GOOD AND THE THE THE PLAN CAN MOVE FORWARD, YOU KNOW, QUEUE THEM UP FOR A ZONING CHANGE. SO THEY WOULDN'T DO THAT ON THE SECOND. THEY WOULDN'T DO THAT ON THE SECOND. OKAY. UM, WAS WHAT WELL, IS THE WHITAKER MONTCLAIR, MONTCLAIR TOWNHOUSE IS AT WHITAKER. THAT'S STILL A POSSIBILITY. UM, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THEY, THE PLANS CAME IN ON MONDAY. UM, THE REVISED PLANS CAME IN ON MONDAY. SO IT'S A QUESTION OF THE WORKLOAD AND BEING ABLE TO GET A REVIEW IN A TIMELY MANNER. OKAY. BUT THEY'RE READY TO BE HERE IF WE'RE READY. THEY, THEY ARE READY TO BE HERE AND THERE. THERE'S ANOTHER ONE, WASN'T THERE? WELL, NO MONTCLAIR TOWN, NOT MONTCLAIR, UM, MENNONITE ROAD TOWN HOMES LAST MONTH WE TALKED ABOUT, OR THE BEING BEGINNING ONCE WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE, THE MENNONITE ROAD TOWN HOMES NINE LOT SUBDIVISION. THEY HAVE, THEY GOT REVIEWS, YOU KNOW, IN THE, IN THE INTERIM BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT FIRST AND THEY, THEY PULLED OFF SO THEY COULD CLEAN UP THEIR PLANS MORE LIKE WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO DO, 'CAUSE THEY'RE AT 10 OR 11 PAGES AND THEY WANNA DROP IT DOWN TO SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE MORE MANUAL LIKE BL AND, AND, AND, AND THE CAR WASH HAS DONE. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WAS, UH, PROVIDENCE SELF STORAGE. [00:30:01] UM, THEY HAVE THE SAME THING. THEY'RE A REVISED FINAL, SO IT'S REALLY ONLY ONE SHOT. THEY MIGHT COME IN AND INTRODUCE THEMSELVES ANYWAY ON THE SECOND, BUT I THINK THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO CLEAN UP. SO THAT'S KIND OF LOOSEY GOOSEY AT THIS POINT. PROVIDENCE SELF STORAGE IS AN EXISTING SELF STORAGE FACILITY ON HOLLOW ROAD. RIGHT. THAT HALF MOVE WAS DONE. THEY HAD A FULL MASTER PLAN OR A FULL PLAN TO DO IT. THEY BUILT HALF OF IT. THEN AFTER THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED, THE MARKET TANKED A LITTLE BIT. THEY WAITED IN THE INTERIM, THEY PUT UP A CELL TOWER INPUT IN PHASE TWO. SO THEY HAD TO COME BACK WHERE THEY WANTED TO DO PHASE TWO. NOW THEY HAD TO COME BACK TO REDO THEIR PLAN. GOT IT. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S ONLY A REVISED FINAL. THAT MIGHT BE SEPTEMBER 16TH. UM, THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE QUEUED UP THAT, THAT ARE, ARE LISTED ON THE, I DON'T HAVE MY AGENDA WITH ME IN FRONT OF ME. UM, WE CAN GO THROUGH REAL QUICK. L CAR WASH THAT IS BLACKROCK PIZZERIA UNO. THEY ARE GOING TO THE BOARD ON THE 31ST TO SEE WHAT THE BOARD'S FEELING IS ABOUT LOOSENING THE DEED RESTRICTION. UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THEM HERE UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT THE BOARD'S OPINION IS ON THAT. STORAGE TALKED ABOUT MENNONITE ROAD NINE LOT. I TALKED ABOUT SPRING FORWARD WALK TOWN HOMES. THEY'VE GOT SOME WORK TO DO. THEY'RE REVISING SOME OF THEIR PLANS AND THEN WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATION WITH THEM OVER THE LAST COUPLE DAYS. SO THEY'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH SOME THINGS. PARK HOUSE WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM IN A FEW MONTHS. SPARES LANE IS THE SAME. WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM THEM IN A FEW MONTHS. PROSPERITY DRIVE, UM, WHICH ON HERE IS DISTRIBUTION CENTER OF PROVIDENCE BUSINESS PARK. IT WAS CATALYST. IT'S NOW OWNED BY, UM, CLEMENS FOOD GROUP. UM, WE THINK THEY'RE KIND OF STARTING FROM SCRATCH ON THE PLANS AND, AND WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR FROM THEM. DISTRICT TOWNHOUSE IS WHERE, WHERE, WHERE IS PROSPERITY TRIBE? THAT'S PROVIDENCE BUSINESS PARK THREE. IT IS WHERE GLOBAL PACKAGING. THE UM, IS THAT THE OLD SHEPHERD BUILDING? NO, IT, IT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET FROM THE, FROM THE NEW SHEPHERD BUILDING. OH, OKAY. OKAY. IT'S BEHIND THAT. IT IS. UM, THERE WAS TWO OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT WERE BACK THERE THAT I'M DRAWING A BLANK ON THEIR NAMES. YOU SAID GLOBAL PACKAGING? I JUST LIKE ROAD. YEAH, IT'S, IT IS IN THAT AREA. OKAY. GARDEN. CORRECT IT WHERE PD HOME AND GARDEN WAS, THAT WAS APPROVAL AND BEFORE THAT IT WAS BRINMAR REHAB OR A REHAB. IT'S GOT IT EVOLVED. UM, YOUR PDS AND HOPWOOD. WE HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING FROM MENNONITE ROAD ENTERTAINMENT AND PICKLEBALL. ACTUALLY WE HAD A MEETING STAFF MEETING WITH THEM TODAY. YOU WILL BE SEEING A NEW TENTATIVE SKETCH FROM THEM. IT'S ONLY, IT'S AN EVOLUTION OF THEIR TENTATIVE SKETCH THEY'VE ALREADY PUT IN FOR, UM, AS THEY WENT THROUGH THE, THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS AND THE ZONING HEARING BOARD PROCESS FOR ENTERTAINMENT AND PICKLEBALL, THE PLANS GOT TWEAKED A LITTLE BIT. SO THAT'S JUST REFLECTING THAT, I DON'T RECALL WHAT WAS THE, UH, ZONING ON THE PICKLEBALL? THE PICKLEBALL WAS, WAS AN EXISTING, YOU COULD DO A TENNIS CLUB AS AN EXISTING SPECIAL EXCEPTION IN R ONE, A TENNIS CLUB AND A PICKLEBALL CLUB FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT AREN'T ANY DIFFERENT. RIGHT. SO THEY, BUT THEY HAD STILL HAD TO GO TO THE ZONING HEARING BOARD AND GO IN FRONT OF THEM. THE ZONING HEARING BOARD GRANTED THEM THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO DO PICKLEBALL. RIGHT. THE BOARD GRANTED THEM THE CONDITIONAL USE TO DO ENTERTAINMENT. SO IT'S SORT OF A SPLIT APPLICATION BECAUSE REMEMBER WE'RE DOING THE WEDDING VENUE, SOME AGRI THE PICKLEBALL AND SEND AND THE PICKLEBALL ALL IN THE SAME THING. BUT YOU CAN SORT, IT'S A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT TOMORROW. I'LL SEND THAT, THAT, THAT AROUND THE, UM, LIEUTENANT SKETCH, THE UPDATED ONE MAINLINE HOSPITAL. WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING THINGS. WE DID HAVE A MEETING WITH THEM A FEW WEEKS AGO. UM, I THINK WE'RE QUEUING THEM UP FOR SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE AND OR FOR THE, UH, THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT AND THE INSTITUTIONAL AND PUTTING 'EM IN THE INSTITUTIONAL. THAT'S THE FIRST STEP. IF THEY GET THAT, THEN WE'LL DO THE CONDITIONAL USE AND THE TENDER SKETCH AND BURY FARMS NUMBER 15 ON THE LIST. UM, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THEY ARE. THEY SAW THE REVIEW LETTERS AND SAID, HEY, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING. WHAT IS THAT? HOW, WHEN YOU SAY MINOR SOAP, HOW MANY MINOR? THEY HAVE A LARGER, I THINK A 20 SOME PIECE OF PROP, 20 ACRES PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT THEY WANNA DROP DOWN TO. THEY WANT TO CARVE OFF ON ONE PIECE IN THE FRONT, BUT THERE'S ACCESS ISSUES ACCORDING TO OUR WONDERFUL TRACKING ENGINEER . AND THEN, SO WE'LL HAVE TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE 16TH. I, I JUST DON'T KNOW. NOTHING'S REALLY LINED UP AT THIS POINT TO BE ON THAT MEETING. I WOULD NOT BE HERE FOR THAT MEETING. YOU'RE NOT HERE FOR THE 16TH. OKAY. AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL HAVE A, A NEW PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER THERE. SO WE DON'T HAVE THE QUORUM ISSUES, BUT IF ANYBODY DOES REACH OUT TO BOB AND MAYBE HE'S IGNORING MY TEXT, IF [00:35:02] BOB CHERRY AND I SHOW UP, WE'RE OKAY. RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT THEN. UM, I MAKE A MOTION WITH YOU BEFORE YOU DO THAT. UH [Additional Item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his transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.