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OKAY.[CALL TO ORDER ]
THE AUGUST 5TH, 2026 MEETING, UH, COMMISSIONER PROVINCE.UM, EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE AGENDA.
UM, SO WE'LL START, UH, THE AGENDA WITH, UH, DON'T HAVE TO DO THE MINUTES, JUDGE, PUBLIC COMMENT.
YOU WANT, SO WE'LL APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING.
WE MOTION? UH, I A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT.
SO THEN, UH, JEFF, WANT WE DO PUBLIC COMMENTS? NEXT WE'LL DO PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS? SO HOW ABOUT MINUTES?
[GENERAL DISCUSSION ITEMS]
WE'LL APPROVE MINUTES FROM, OR JULY 15TH, I BELIEVE.I THINK THE FIRST IS IN THERE TOO.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ON JULY 11TH AND JULY 15TH.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE APPLICANT
[APPLICATIONS TO BE HEARD ON (DATE)]
FOR THIS EVENING.AND THAT IS, UH, IS MARY MEN A LOVELY LADY.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, WE WANNA APOLOGIZE TO YOU GUYS FOR LAST MEETING.
YOU KNOW, WE WERE TRYING TO GET YOU TO APPROVE A PLAN THAT WASN'T READY AND WE WENT, YOU KNOW, OVERSTEPPED OUR BOUNDS AND WE APOLOGIZED.
UH, NOW ALSO I'D LIKE TO SAY SECONDLY THAT WE WANT TO THANK PUBLICLY THE FOLKS FROM GILMORE WITH JEN AND BRIAN, AND ALSO JEFF, NOT ONLY FOR COMING BACK FROM VACATION, BUT WHILE PROTECTING THE TOWNSHIP TO MAKE SURE WE DID COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE COMPLETELY.
THEY HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLY COOPERATIVE IN MEETING WITH US AND GIVING US INFORMATION.
UM, THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT SINCE THAT TIME WITH THESE VARIOUS MEETINGS, THE REVIEW LETTER THAT YOU SAW ON AUGUST OR ON JULY 15TH WAS 18 PAGES LONG.
THE ONE YOU HAVE TONIGHT IS NINE PAGES LONG.
AND BASICALLY IT SHOWS COMPLETE TOTAL COMPLIANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE.
AND WE ONLY HAVE THE THIRD PARTY PERMITS OF THE CLR AND THE HIGHWAY OCCUPANCY PERMIT TO GET FOR APPROVAL.
SO THE PLAN YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU NOW IS THE PLAN THAT THE SUPERVISORS WILL SEE, AND THAT'S THE PLAN WE'RE GOING TO ASK THAT YOU RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL.
UM, ONE OTHER THING THAT CAME UP, IF YOU RECALL LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THE SIZE OF PIPES, UM, IN THE MRC AND IT TURNED OUT WE NEED TWO OF THEM, NOT ONLY ONE IN THE MRC, BUT ALSO ONE IN THE FOUNDATION ON THE UNDER DRAIN FOR BUILDING NUMBER FOUR.
AND YOUR ENGINEERS AGREE THAT THAT'S REASONABLE, REDUCING IT FROM 15 INCH TO SIX INCH.
UM, WE DISCUSSED IT PRETTY THOROUGHLY AT THE LAST MEETING, AND YOU TELL US WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR TONIGHT? UM, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THE CHANGES THAT WE DID WERE MINOR.
SO, UH, THERE'S NOTHING SIGNIFICANT THAT CHANGED THE PLAN OR THE WAY IT LOOKED OR THE NUMBER OF UNITS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
LET'S START OFF WITH THE CONSULTANTS.
DO ED, WANT TO COMMENT PLEASE? UH, SURE.
AS ED SAID, UM, WE WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH THE APPLICANT AND THEIR ENGINEERS AND EVERYTHING LEFT IN THE MEETING IS A THIRD PARTY OUTSIDE AGENCY APPROVAL.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS SATISFACTORY TO THE TOWNSHIP ORDINANCE, AND THAT'S HOW MANY COMMENTS ARE IN OUR STANDARD LETTER SO THAT WHEN THEY'RE CITED IN THE RESOLUTION WITH THE DATE, EVERYTHING IS MEMORIALIZED.
BRIAN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? NO, I JUST ECHO WHICH END SAID, WE'VE BEEN BACK AND FORTH TO CLEAN UP THE FINAL ITEMS. WE TALKED ABOUT ONE OF THOSE, UM, LAST MONTH, BUT PUTTING IN A SIDEWALK, WE'VE GOT THAT SIDEWALK CONNECTION IN THERE.
SO, UM, FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, THE WE'RE SATISFIED AND YOU, YOU COMMENTED THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF, UH, PERMITS REQUIRED, BUT THERE ARE ALSO A LOT OF APPROVALS LIKE FEMA, DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT AND THOSE, THOSE THINGS.
BUT I PRESUME THAT THOSE WILL ALL BE DEALT WITH AS YOU PROGRESS THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS.
AND SO THOSE ARE NOT ISSUES, BUT JUST ACKNOWLEDGING OR ACCEPTING THAT THERE'S APPROVALS IN THAT REGARD AS WELL AS ALL THE PERMITS THAT ARE REQUIRED.
AND I DID NOTICE THAT THE GILMORE LETTERS DID, UH, ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, YOU KNOW, ISSUES, UH, WERE, UH, WELL, WE'RE SEEKING FROM WELL TAKEN CARE OF.
SO WHAT WE'RE SEEKING FROM THE SUPERVISORS
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IS CONDITIONAL FINAL APPROVAL CONDITION ON THE HOP AND THE CL.BUT WELL, ACTUALLY, WE, WE CAN'T CONDITION ON ANY OUTSIDE AGENCIES.
THE OUTSIDE AGENCIES ARE JUST THE OUTSIDE AGENCIES.
THEY SHOULD RECEIVE FINAL PLAN APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
IF THE PLAN HAS TO CHANGE BECAUSE OF FEMA OR OF DEPS CHANGES THAT'S DEALT WITH ADMINISTRATIVELY, NOT FROM A PLANNING COMMISSION STANDPOINT.
THEN WE'LL BE BACK TO SEE YOU.
THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW IF THAT HAPPENS.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THIS GROUP? ANYTHING YOU WANT TO POINT OUT? ED OR TONY, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO POINT OUT THAT, UH, I, YEAH.
POINTED OUT ABOUT THE PIPE, THE TWO OF THEM, BUT ANYTHING ELSE YOU LET ME ASK.
PAUL LEPARD, DO YOU WANNA, WHAT DID WE DECIDE ABOUT THE, UH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME OVER HERE OR SPEAK LOUDLY.
UM, WHILE IT, IT, MARY MAIN SHOWS UP, WE WERE ABLE TO EXTEND THE SIDEWALK IN THIS LOCATION.
SO IT'S GOING TO CONNECT, UM, DIRECTLY TO THE SIDEWALK ALONG ROUTE 29, WHICH WAS A POINT OF REQUEST FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION LAST WEEK.
UH, RELATIVE TO PLAN MODIFICATIONS, THERE WERE SOME ADDITIONAL DETECTABLE WORDING STRIPS PROVIDED, UH, AT CERTAIN ENTRIES, UH, IN ADDITION TO WHAT HAD ALREADY BEEN PROVIDED.
UH, THERE WAS ALSO A VERY MINOR ADJUSTMENT TO THE TWO PARKING BAYS HERE AND UP AGAINST, UH, BUILDING FOUR TO ADDRESS A COMMENT FROM BRIAN WITH RESPECT TO SEPARATION FROM A STOP BAR.
UM, THEY WERE MINOR ADJUSTMENTS TO THE PLAN AND INCORPORATED INTO THE REVISIONS.
UH, THERE WAS ALSO A, A COMMENT RELATIVE TO THE WIDTH OF A FIRE LANE THAT WAS CLEARED BY THE FIRE MARSHAL.
SO THEY'RE THE KIND OF, THE PLAN CHANGES.
UM, THE OTHER ITEMS TO JEN'S COMMENT WERE DOTTING I CROSSING T'S RELATIVE TO DETAILS.
UM, YOU TRULY PLAN AND PROFILE.
SO SOME CLEAN UP HOMEWORK TO BE DONE, BUT NOTHING SUBSTANTIVE THAT CHANGED.
SUBSTANT LEAVE PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU LAST AT, WELL, LAST PLANNING COMMISSION.
WAS THERE ANY OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT CHANGES THAT YOU MADE? YOU SAID THEY WERE MINOR, NOTHING CAUSED ANY REAL HARDSHIP FOR ANYBODY? NO, NO, I WOULDN'T, I'D, I'D LIKE TO ECHO, UM, WHAT, WHAT ED SHARED AT THE OUTSET.
I TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE TO, AND, AND I ECHO WHAT HE SAID AT THE BEGINNING.
WE THANK THE CONSULTANT TEAM AND WE'RE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THIS PLAN.
UM, THEY WORKED WITH US TO FINE TUNE IT, TO MAKE THE CHANGES THAT NEEDED TO BE MADE.
IT DIDN'T CHANGE THE SUBSTANCE OR CREATE ANY HARDSHIPS.
SO WE'RE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU AND, UM, WITH GETTING THOSE THIRD PARTY PERMITS, UH, SHORTLY.
HOW ABOUT ON THE BOTTOM? ARE YOU OKAY? YOUR PARTNERS? ABSOLUTELY.
ANDY'S RIGHT BEHIND ME, BUT ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD? NO, NO.
WE APPRECIATE, UH, UH, STAFFS AND, UH, GILMORE'S, UH, ASSISTANCE WITH, UH, MAKE SURE THIS PLAN IS, UH, UP TO TOWNSHIP CODE.
AND, UH, IF YOU TALKED TO S WE'RE OKAY BACK THERE.
YOU'RE OKAY? YOU'RE COOL? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS YOU LOOK FORWARD? UM, THE ONLY THING I WAS GONNA SAY WAS I, I'M REALLY APPRECIATIVE OF THE FACT THAT IN YOUR REVIEW LETTERS, YOU, YOU, UH, SORT OF CLARIFIED THINGS, UH, AS TO WHAT STEPS NEEDED TO HAPPEN OR HAVE HAPPENED.
LIKE SOLICITING OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED OR EXPLAINING THINGS A LITTLE FURTHER.
SO THAT, THAT'S SORT OF AN INTERNAL COMMENT, BUT, UH, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE, UH, AS HAS BEEN STATED, EVERYTHING IS, UH, CLEANED UP TO THE POINT THAT WE'RE DEPENDING ON OUTSIDE AGENCIES AT THIS POINT, SO EXACTLY.
I THINK YOU'RE KIND OF BEYOND, UH, BEYOND THIS BOARD OURS SCOPE, SO, YEAH.
WELL, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD, WE THANK YOU GUYS TOO FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, TAKING US LAST TIME.
MAYBE WE WERE A LITTLE HARSH ON YOU, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
AND THEN YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, FIX IT.
SO WE APPRECIATE YOU, UH, DOING THAT.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL, UH, THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS FROM BOB.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO, UH, WITH NO PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, ZACH, WHAT DO WE DO HERE? UH, MAKE A MOTION.
UH, MAKE A MOTION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE SUPERVISORS AND TO APPROVE OR DENY THE FINAL MANUAL.
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MAKE THAT MOTION? GARY? UH, YES, AS A MATTER OF FACT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT, UH, THE PLAN MOVE FORWARD, UH, TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, I GUESS WITH A, WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO, UH, TO APPROVE, UH, THE FINAL PLAN.AND DID YOU INCLUDE THE WAIVERS? WHAT'S THAT? DID YOU INCLUDE THE WAIVERS? UH, WITH YES.
I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT, WAIT A MINUTE.
I THOUGHT YOU SAID THERE WERE NO WAIVERS.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS ALL FOR THE YEAH, WE ADDED ONE.
ARE ARE THESE DIFFERENT FROM THE ONES THAT, WHAT'S THAT? ARE THESE DIFFERENT WAIVERS FROM THE WAIVER? NO, THE SAME WAIVERS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE LAST MEETING, BUT THERE'S TWO PLACES.
THERE WAS JUST ONE PLACE BEFORE.
SO, UH, JERRY'S MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS.
UH, WE WANT SUPERVISOR TO APPROVE FINAL APPROVAL, UH, WITH THE, UH,
AND, UH, WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE A SECOND.
WE MADE YOU COME IN FOR 10 MINUTES.
WE'LL BE HAPPY TO BACK IN TIME FOR THE SECOND INNING.
[DISCUSSION: FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]
ADDEND.UH, UH, ON THE 19TH WE'LL HAVE SPOTLESS CAR WASH, PROVIDENCE HEALTH STORAGE PHASE TWO AND MENNONITE ROAD NINE LEFTS OF DIVISION.
I THINK THEY'RE CLEANING THOSE ALL UP STILL A LITTLE BIT.
SPOTLESS CAR WASH, PROVIDENCE SELF STORAGE AND MENNONITE ROAD NINE LOT SUBDIVISION.
UM, I THINK THEY'RE ALL GOING FOR FINAL, SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE LETTERS ARE CLEAN.
UH, SEPTEMBER 2ND WILL BE MONTCLAIR TOWNHOUSES AND FOX LANES BRINGING IN ANOTHER SET OF DESIGNS FOR THEIR PROPOSAL UP ON RIDGE PIKE AND, UH, MONTCLAIR TOWNHOUSES PRE WHITAKER.
AND THEN EAC WILL BE DETERMINED SOMETIME IN SEPTEMBER.
SOMETIME THAT DATE'S NOT FINAL.
WHAT THE AGENDA IS WILL BE DETERMINED.
SO THAT, UM, IT'S ON THE 16TH FOX LANE IS THE, IS THE ONE THAT, UH, WE JUST SAW THE INTRODUCTORY COMMENTS ABOUT, CORRECT? MM-HMM
THEY HAVE SOME NEW DESIGNS BASED ON YOUR COMMENTS FROM THE LAST MEETING.
SO OUR MEETING FOR SEPTEMBER IS THE SECOND AND THE 16TH? YES.
NOT SO THERE'S TWO, TWO WEDNESDAYS AFTER THAT.
WE'RE DOING THE SECOND AND THE 16TH.
I DON'T HAVE MY CALENDAR UP, BUT THE SECOND IS THE FIRST WEDNESDAY AND THEN THE THIRD WEDNESDAY IS THE, OKAY.
YEAH, THAT'S JUST THE WAY THE CALENDAR FALLS.
'CAUSE IT STARTS YOUR CALENDAR IN SEPTEMBER.
I WILL NOT BE HERE FOR THE 16TH I VACATION.
SO ARE YOU SURE YOU'RE NOT GONNA COME BACK FOR IT? WELL, WAIT A MINUTE.
MY WIFE DOESN'T HAVE A, AN ACCIDENT, BUT, UH, YES, WE'LL BE HERE.
I WE WON'T BE, I'M NOT DRIVING BACK LIKE YOU DO.
YOU WANNA DO ANYTHING? 'CAUSE YOU'RE HERE? NO, I WANNA DRIVE HOME.
THEN LET'S, UH, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN TODAY'S MEETING.