[CALL TO ORDER / MOTION TO APPROVE July 15, 2026 AGENDA]
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GOOD EVENING.WELCOME TO THE JULY 15TH, UH, MEETING OF THE UPPER PROVINCE TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, AND, UM, EVERYBODY PICKED UP AN AGENDA TO BACK, I HOPE.
UH, THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE AGENDAS THAT WENT OUT THERE AND, UM, UM, SOME PEOPLE PULLED OFF.
SO THE AGENDA CHANGE, AND THE ONE YOU HAVE THAT WAS BACK THERE IS THE CURRENT ONE.
WELL, IF YOU SHARE WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS, I CAN MAKE MORE LIKE GRADE SCHOOL SHARE WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS.
UH, SO THE FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA WILL BE TO, UH, TO, UH, UH, APPROVE.
MOTION TO APPROVE, OH, THE AGENDA.
WE NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS AGENDA.
AND I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO DO THAT.
I'LL SECOND ALL THE MADE AGENDA.
SO WE APPROVED THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT, WHICH IT LOOKS LIKE A COUPLE ITEMS. YES.
[PUBLIC COMMENT FOR NON-AGENDA ITEMS]
MEANTIME, THE FIRST THING WILL BE, UH, NON AGENDA COMMENTS.SO ANY COMMENTS, PUBLIC COMMENTS ON NON AGENDA ITEMS, THIS IS THE TIME TO SPEAK ABOUT IT.
AND IF YOU HAVE TO SPEAK OR IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK, YOU GOTTA COME UP.
GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, COME UP TO THE SPEAK, AND ONE AT A TIME.
AND ONE OTHER THING TOO, SINCE WE DO HAVE A PRETTY GOOD CROWD HERE TONIGHT, THE TOWNSHIP HAS A POLICY, WHICH IS ON OUR WEBSITE, AND IT'S BEEN IN EFFECT FOR A WHILE, THAT WE ALLOW THREE MINUTES OF COMMENTS.
HI, LETITIA MCMASTER, 2 23 HANOVER ROAD, REGENCY OF PROVIDENCE.
THAT'S ALL YOU NEED, RIGHT? YEP.
ALRIGHT, SO, UM, I HAVE A POSITION, UH, WHO IS THE CHAIR? HE'S NOT HERE.
UM, UH, UH, A PETITION THAT COMES FROM 500 PLUS NEIGHBORS AT REGENCY PROVIDENCE REGARDING A TRAIL THAT IS PROPOSED TO COME THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, OUR, OUR PRIVATE ROADS, UM, THAT WE FEEL WILL INCREDIBLY, UM, UH, DECREASE THE SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL AS BE, UM, A DANGER TO THE BIKERS THAT ARE THERE.
WE HAVE 337 DRIVEWAYS THAT ARE BACKING ON TO OUR BUSY STREETS, UM, WITH I BE FRANK, 55 OVER.
RIGHT? SO, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN, CAN BE A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE.
WE'VE ALREADY HAD PEOPLE BASED ON YOUR TRAIL MAPS COMING TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO CHECK IT OUT.
HAD AN E-BIKE GO RIGHT BEHIND ME.
UM, RECENTLY THAT, YOU KNOW, I SEE WALKERS, BUT THAT THING WAS GOING ABOUT 35 MILES AN HOUR.
SO, UM, WE ARE VERY WORRIED ABOUT CROSSOVER FROM THE TRAILS ONTO OUR ROADS.
UM, WE HAVE A LIST OF TOP 10 CONCERNS.
UM, THERE'S EVERYTHING FROM ENVIRONMENT, UM, DEGRADATION WITH SOME RUNOFFS AND SOME ISSUES WE HAVE WITH WATER WHERE YOU'RE PLANNING TO PUT THE TRAIL.
UM, THERE ARE HIGHLY AVAILABLE, UM, VIABLE ALTERNATIVE ROUTES.
UM, SO I'M GONNA GIVE EACH OF YOU ONE OF OUR TOP 10 CONCERNS, AND I WILL GIVE TOM THE LIST OF THE PETITIONS.
THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE BACK, IF YOU CAN'T READ THE NAMES AND ADDRESSES, UM, I DID CROSS REFERENCE FOR YOU IN EXCEL THAT HAS THE NAMES AND ADDRESSES TYPED OUT.
SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE EVERYONE THERE.
UM, I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A COUPLE OTHER PEOPLE THAT MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ON THE ISSUE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO DO? UH, YOU ARE MORE THAN FREE TO COMMENT.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING NOT COMMENT, BUT WHAT I'M GONNA SUGGEST, BECAUSE THIS, UM, THIS ISSUE WAS ON, WE HAD A MEETING BEFORE THIS MEETING OF OUR ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL, UH, WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ONE OF THE TWO GROUPS HERE AT THE TOWNSHIP IS OVERLOOKING THAT PLAN.
UM, THE OTHER IS PARKS AND RECREATION.
UM, AND, UH, SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS I'M GOING TO LET YOU MAKE YOUR COMMENTS, BUT I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JEFF THEN TO EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHERE WE AT ARE AT WITH THIS PROCESS, BECAUSE HE KNOWS IT INTIMATELY.
THIS BOARD IS NOT FAMILIAR WITH A LOT OF THE DETAILS OF THAT.
'CAUSE THERE HAS BEEN NO DETAILS, JEFF.
SO I WILL ASK JEFF THEN TO, TO HELP US WITH THE PROCESS.
BECAUSE WE WENT TO PARK SOME REC, AND FIRST THEY SAID THEY HAD NO IDEA, NOT EVEN A PLAN.
WE PULLED OUT A MAP FROM 2024 AND A MAP FROM YOUR WEBSITE FROM LAST WEEK THAT SHOWS IT IS THE PLAN.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE UNINFORMED OR NO, NO.
I THINK, I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT, THERE'S SOME PRAYER, RIGHT? AND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF SEMANTICS AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
SO JEFF, THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR OR ANSWER THAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THIS RIGHT, IS WE WENT TO PARKS AND REC AND THEY WERE LIKE, NOT US.
UM, SO WE THOUGHT WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD IS THEN PLANNING, UM, THEN BRINGS IT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
IF THAT'S NOT THE PROCESS, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
WELL LET, LET'S THIS GENTLEMEN MAKE THESE COMMENTS AND THEN WE'LL GO.
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AT 4 8 4 PETERS WAY AT REGENCY OF PROVIDENCE.I MUST CONFESS, UH, MY IGNORANCE AS TO THE FUNCTIONS OF THIS COMMITTEE.
AND, UH, I WAS HOPING THAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO EDUCATE US AS TO WHAT IS YOUR FUNCTION? ARE YOU ELECTED OFFICIALS? DO YOU HAVE ANY LEGAL, UH, WE WANT TO GET INTO POLITICS.
WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT, I'M SORRY.
WE'RE ALL RESIDENTS OF THE TOWNSHIP.
AND OUR CHARGE IS TO, UH, DEVELOPMENT IN THE TOWNSHIP.
OUR CHARGE IS TO REVIEW DEVELOPMENT PLANS BROUGHT TO US BY DIFFERENT FOLKS, PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS, DEVELOPERS, WHOEVER.
AND WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF LOOKING AT THOSE PLANS.
OUR, OUR CONSULTANTS GET DEEPLY INVOLVED IN LOOKING AT TRAFFIC.
THEY LOOK AT, UH, WATER RUNOFF, THE SEWERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THEY, THEY ADVISE US OF WHERE THEY'RE AT.
AND THEN WE, WE, UH, WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS UHHUH, TO SAY, WE THINK THIS IS A GOOD PLAN.
OR WE DON'T THINK THIS IS A GOOD PLAN.
AND THEN THEY MAKE, THEY TAKE THAT UNDER ADVISEMENT.
THEY READ THEIR OWN STUFF AND THEY MAKE KEY DECISION.
WOULD YOU SAY THAT GENERALLY THEY TAKE YOUR ADVICE AND GO WITH, UH, WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE? YEAH, I THINK SO.
I THINK, I THINK MORE TIMES THAN NOT, THEY SURELY DO.
I THINK THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AND THEY UNDERSTAND THAT WE DO THE LEG WORK AND WE TRY TO GIVE THEM GOOD INFORMATION AND GOOD IDEAS AND GOOD FEEDBACK.
AND THEN I, THEY, UH, THEY TAKE IT FROM THERE.
WELL, I APPRECIATE, UH, THE INFORMATION.
I, SORRY ABOUT MY IGNORANCE, BUT I
I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT UNTIL I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD FOR 10 YEARS NOW.
SO I, I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT EITHER.
AND THEN YOU'RE, YOU HAVE NO LEGAL, UH, LEVERAGE IN THIS.
I MEAN, WE ARE AN ADVISORY BOARD.
WE ARE THE FIRST STEP IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE RELY HEAVILY ON MR. GRACE.
HE'S OUR MENTOR IN OUR ADVISOR AND HE AND CONSULTANTS.
BUT MR. GRACE REALLY PUTS US THROUGH THE PROCESS, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON TRACK AND ON TARGET.
'CAUSE WE'RE JUST OLD GRADE PROPOSALS.
AND HE KEEPS US STRAIGHT ON FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, WHAT WE ARE LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO DO, WHAT WE CAN DO, WHAT WE CAN'T DO.
IT KEEPS US LEGALLY ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
BUT I JUST WANNA TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.
UH, A RECOMMENDATION COMES TO THIS BOARD FROM WHOM? NOT A RECOMMENDATION, A PROPOSAL FROM THE DEVELOPER OR SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO DEVELOP PROPERTY IN THE TOWN.
AND THEN YOU WANT TO, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE 10 ACRES.
DO YOU WANT TO SELL IT TO SOMEBODY TO DEVELOP A, A LITTLE, A LITTLE, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
THIS BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THEY ADVISE THEM MOSTLY ON LAND DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER THAT'S THE QUEST DEVELOPMENT THAT IS NOW A, A SHOPPING CENTER AND A WHOLE FOODS, RIGHT? YEAH.
OR YOUR LAND, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU, WHERE YOUR HOUSE IS.
THAT GOES THROUGH A LAND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
THEY ARE ALSO KEEPERS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THEY WILL GO THROUGH AND, AND WHILE IT MAY BE A SUBCOMMITTEE OR MAYBE THIS BOARD, THEY WILL PRO THEY WILL WORK THROUGH DEVELOPING THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU HAVE THINGS LIKE THE TRAIL PLAN, THE ACT 2 0 9, TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE PLAN.
A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PLANS ALL SORT OF COME UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE, WHICH IS, I'M GUESSING WHY I GOT THE NAME COMPREHENSIVE.
IT'S SORT OF ENCOMPASSES ALL THE PLANS.
SO IF YOU ARE SPECIFICALLY ASKING ABOUT THE TRAIL MASTER PLAN THAT IS BEING RUN BY AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT WHO HAS BEEN HIRED TO WRITE A TRAIL MASTER PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE TOWNSHIP HIRED BY WHOM? THE TOWNSHIP.
THIS MAN TOWNSHIP SUPERVISORS HIRED THIS CONSULTING FIRM.
WE GOT A GRANT THROUGH, I THINK DCED OR MAYBE DCNR, I DON'T REMEMBER RIGHT NOW.
WE GOT A GRANT TO DEVELOP A PLAN.
AND DON'T QUOTE ME ON ANY OF THESE NUMBERS.
I THINK IT PAYS FOR 75% OF THE COST OF DEVELOPING THIS PLAN.
HE CHARGED THE TOWNSHIP FOR IT.
AND WHERE, WHERE'S THE, WHERE'D THIS GRANT COME FROM? DC AND R, DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL DC CONSERVATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES.
IT'S A STATE GRANT THAT ANY TOWNSHIP, ANY MUNICIPALITY CAN GO FOR.
WE PUT IN FOR A TRAIL MASTER PLAN AS PART OF THEIR PLANNING GRANTS.
WE WERE AWARDED THE GRANTS A YEAR AGO.
WE'VE HIRED, WE WENT THROUGH AN RFP PROCESS.
THEY ARE WORKING THROUGH DEVELOPING THIS TRAIL PLAN.
THAT TRAIL PLAN, WHEN THEY'RE FINISHED WITH IT WILL
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COME FOR THE COMING.THEY WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION TO THIS BOARD, TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL LOOK AT IT AND SAY, WE LIKE IT.
WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD.
OR THEY WILL SAY, HEY, WE WANT YOU TO CHANGE THIS.
THIS IS PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS.
EVENTUALLY I'VE SEEN, I'VE SEEN TRAILS LAID OUT ON A MAP.
SO YOU'RE FOCUSING ON, ON THE, DOES THAT EXIST OR YOU'RE FOCUSING ON THE SMALL THINGS RIGHT NOW? I'M TRYING TO EXPLAIN THE GREATER PROCESS TO YOU.
'CAUSE YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT I UNDERSTAND, BUT SO, SO LET ME FINISH.
ONCE THIS BOARD WEIGHS IN ON IT, THEY WILL WEIGH IN.
THEY WILL, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL GET THE SAME OR A SIMILAR PRESENTATION AND THEY WILL VOTE TO ADOPT THIS TRAIL MASTER PLAN.
PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS FOR THIS TRAIL MASTER PLAN IS THE WORKSHOP WE DID BACK IN APRIL, MARCH OR APRIL, I DON'T REMEMBER THE DATE.
THE ONE THAT IS COMING UP ON THE 28TH OF JULY, AND ANOTHER PUBLIC MEETING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING IN SEPTEMBER.
THAT IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY RESIDENT THAT WANTS TO COME INTO THE TOWNSHIP AND HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THAT TRAIL PLANNING CONSULTANT AND WORK THROUGH WHAT TRAILS THEY WANT, WHAT TRAILS THEY DON'T, THE BOARD.
SO TONIGHT'S MEETING IS NOT TO DECIDE YES OR NO.
THIS BOARD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TRAIL MASTER PLAN.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN, WE HAVEN'T SEEN, THERE IS NO, WELL, EVERY, EVERYBODY KEEPS SAYING, WHAT, WHERE IS IT? WHERE IS IT? IT IS IN PROCESS.
ALL OF A DOESN'T SHOW UP ON YOUR DESK.
IN PROCESS MEANS WHERE IS IT? THE CONSULTANT IS WORKING ON IT.
THE CONSULTANT IS LOOKING AT DATA.
IF HE HAD COME TO THE, THE MEETING IN APRIL, HE EXPLAINED WHERE HE WAS IN THE PROCESS.
HE'S CONTINUING THE PROCESS WITH LOOKING AT BACKGROUND INFORMATION, LOOKING AT THE TRAILS, RIDING THROUGH THE TOWNSHIP, LOOKING AT AT WHAT RIGHTS OF WAY WE HAVE, WHERE LOGICAL CONNECTIONS ARE MADE.
HE'S WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
THE IDEA FOR THE 28TH IS FOR HIM TO BRING THAT PROCESS TO THE PUBLIC.
THAT'S WHEN YOU CAN COMMENT ON IT.
OR YOU CAN COME OUT AND SAY, HEY, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA.
OR, HEY, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA, THEN.
WELL, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.
BUT IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT.
IT'S NOT BEING DISCUSSED TONIGHT.
AND NOW, AS I TOLD YOUR NEIGHBORS PREVIOUSLY, I LOVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT AND I LOVE EVERYBODY AT PUBLIC MEETINGS AS MUCH AS WE HATE TO SEE AN AUDIENCE FULL SOME NIGHTS, 'CAUSE IT MEANS WE'RE GONNA BE HERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
I LOVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND I WANT PEOPLE TO TELL ME WHAT THEY THINK.
BUT THERE'S ALSO A MORE APPROPRIATE TIME WHEN THE BODY THAT'S WORKING ON IT, THE CONSULTANT THAT'S WORKING ON IT, WILL BE IN FRONT OF YOU LOOKING FOR YOUR FEEDBACK.
WE, WE DON'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT.
THIS BOARD HAS NOT BEEN INVOLVED WITH IT UP TO THIS BOARD.
SO YOU, YOU COULD COMMENT ON IT, BUT WHAT YOU THINK, AND JEFF WILL SET YOU STRAIGHT, BECAUSE SOMETIMES THERE'S SOME MISCONCEPTIONS OUT THERE.
BUT WE CAN'T COMMENT IT BECAUSE WE HAVE, WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY, WELL, FOR SOME REASON WE HAVE SEEN A PLAN TRAIL WELL LAID OUT ON A MAP.
I DUNNO, WELL, LEMME LEMME CORRECT THIS HERE.
WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YES.
THE BOARD ADOPTED IT BACK IN DECEMBER OF 2024.
THAT DOES HAVE TRAIL PLANS ON IT.
THOSE WERE FORMULATED OVER A VERY LONG TIME.
AS I TOLD YOU COMPATRIOTS EARLIER, THEY'VE BEEN ON A DOCUMENT FROM 2006, IF NOT BEFORE, OF SOME SORT OF TRAIL THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OR NEAR THE DEVELOPMENT OR IN THAT AREA.
NOT SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT, OKAY, IT'S GOING BEHIND THIS HOUSE OR THAT HOUSE.
BUT THAT A CONNECTION BETWEEN BLACKROCK ROAD AND EGYPT ROAD IS AN IMPORTANT CONNECTION FOR THIS TOWNSHIP TO MAKE A LOOP BETWEEN THE EO AND THE SKU, SCHU RIVER TRAILS.
BUT IT'S ONLY A POLICY DOCUMENT.
THAT'S ALL THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS.
IT'S NOT A PLAN, IT'S NOT A CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT.
IT'S LIKE, HEY, DO WE WANT TO DO THIS? AT THE TIME OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADOPTION, IT SEEMED LIKE A GOOD IDEA.
NOW THAT WE HAVE EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM, MAYBE IT'S NOT SUCH A GOOD IDEA.
BUT THAT'S WHAT THE TRAIL MASTER PLAN IS FOR.
BECAUSE AS WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS FOR THE PAST 15, 18 YEARS OF DEVELOPING TRAILS IN THIS TOWNSHIP, WE'VE RUN INTO A LOT OF HEADACHES.
WE'VE RUN INTO A LOT OF, UM, PHYSICAL BARRIERS TO PUTTING THESE THINGS IN.
WHETHER IT'S A HOUSE BEING TOO CLOSE OR WHATEVER IT IS.
THERE'S BEEN PROBLEMS GETTING TRAILS.
MYSELF, THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEER, THE PREVIOUS TOWNSHIP TRAFFIC ENGINEER, ALL LOOKED AT THIS, ALL DEVELOPED VARIOUS STAGES OF PLANS FOR TRAILS IN THIS TOWNSHIP, NOT JUST YOURS, THROUGH THE ENTIRE TOWNSHIP.
ONLY ONE OF THEM HAS COME TO FRUITION.
WE'RE STILL WORKING TOWARDS GETTING TRAIL CONNECTIONS IN THIS TOWNSHIP BECAUSE EVERY SURVEY WE'VE DONE SHOWS THAT TRAIL CONNECTIONS ARE IMPORTANT TO THE RESIDENTS OF THIS TOWNSHIP.
I GET IT THAT YOUR, WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFIC TO YOUR DEVELOPMENT, MAYBE IT'S NOT THE BEST OPTION.
I WILL FREELY GRANT THAT, BUT THERE'S A TIME AND A PLACE TO MOVE THIS PROCESS FORWARD.
EVERYBODY CAN COME UP AND MAKE THE SAME COMMENT.
WE'LL ONLY BE LOOKING AT IT PROBABLY SOMETIME IN DECEMBER OR JANUARY WHEN
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THEY'VE WRITTEN THE PLAN.THEY HAVE NOT WRITTEN THE PLAN YET.
WELL JUST RECOGNIZE THAT THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE HERE IS VERY SERIOUS ABOUT OUR OBJECTION TO THIS.
AND I HOPE WE WILL TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
SO YEAH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
WE, I'M, I'M ON THE ADVISORY COUNCIL THAT MET THIS, UH, EARLIER WITH YOUR PEOPLE THAT THE, FROM PEOPLE THERE IN THE FIRST ROW.
UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD WHAT THEY SAID.
THERE WAS SOME, YOU KNOW, GOOD FEEDBACK AND FORTH, BUT WE'RE NOT THERE YET.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, SORRY THAT THERE'S SOME MISCOMMUNICATION OR, OR, YOU KNOW, MISCONCEPTIONS OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT.
WELL, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL IGNORANT PRETTY MUCH OF THE PROCESSES THAT GO ON IN THE TOWNSHIP AND THIS ONLY WHEN IT STEPS ON OUR TOES DO WE THEN BECOME EXCITED ABOUT HOW THINGS ACTUALLY GO FORWARD HERE.
SO WE'RE ALL BEING EDUCATED TO TELL YOU THAT.
WE'RE TRYING TO, TRYING TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU WITHOUT BEING, YOU KNOW, UH, OVER OVERBOARD ABOUT IT.
JEFF'S SAYING THIS IS, I MEAN, YOU'RE WELCOME TO MAKE YOUR COMMENTS.
BUT WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE'RE, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN COMMENT ON YOUR COMMENTS BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
THAT JOHN, JOHN, JONATHAN SOKO 1 39 SLOAN ROAD.
I'M SORRY I DIDN'T RETURN YOUR PHONE CALL.
PARDON ME? I'M SORRY I DIDN'T RETURN YOUR PHONE CALL.
UH, I'M COMING TO YOU AS A CONCERN CITIZEN RESIDENT, AND I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS WHERE WE ARE NOW.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE A COUPLE POINTS.
I I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THIS.
I'M A HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONAL.
WHAT, WHAT PROPERTY OR DEVELOPMENT DO YOU REFERRING TO? I'M TALKING ABOUT THE MAP GOING THE TRAIL.
I'M, I'M COMING TO YOU AS A HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONAL.
I HAVE A MASTER'S DEGREE IN EXERCISE PHYSIOLOGY.
I'VE WORKED AT METALWOOD SENIOR LIVING AS A BALANCE AND MOBILITY INSTRUCTOR.
I'M CERTIFIED FROM CAL STATE UNIVERSITY AS A BALANCE IN MOBILITY INSTRUCTOR.
SO I'M USED TO WORKING WITH SENIORS.
THIS TRAIL THAT APPEARED ON THE MAP, UH, 22 OR 24 IS NOT SAFE.
DO YOU? MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU KNOW HOW I, I, I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT I'M ASKING YOU, DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG THAT TRAIL IS THAT GOES THROUGH THAT WAS PROPOSED ON THAT MAP? WE DO NOT.
THROUGH THE HEART OF OUR COMMUNITY.
THOSE TRAILS HAVE NOT BEEN DESIGNED.
THEY HAVE NOT BEEN, UM, I UNDERSTAND.
I'M JUST SPEAKING OF THIS PROPOSAL THAT APPEARED ON THE WEBSITE.
SO I'M IMPLORING THIS GROUP TO, TO VOTE DOWN IF THIS COMES UP FOR A VOTE BECAUSE IT'S NOT SAFE.
THERE'S FIVE REASONS WHY THIS IS NOT SAFE.
AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT E-BIKES.
THE EXCESSIVE SPEED, THE AVERAGE WALKER IN OUR COMMUNITY WALKS ONE AND A HALF TO THREE MILES PER HOUR.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE BE OVERTAKEN BY AN E-BIKE TRAVELING 20 TO 32 MILES PER HOUR.
ALRIGHT? AND THERE'S GONNA BE OVERTAKING CONFLICTS.
NUMBER TWO, THE REACTION TIME OF SENIORS IS MUCH SLOWER THAN THE AVERAGE, UH, INDIVIDUAL.
SO SUDDEN AVOIDANCE MANEUVERS ARE MORE DIFFICULT FOR, SO IT'S UNSAFE FOR OUR POPULATION.
THIRDLY, BALANCE CHALLENGES FOR SENIORS.
SO YOU'RE GONNA BE PUTTING A TRAIL AND MIXING SENIORS IN, UH, ALONG WITH, WITH THE GENERAL PUBLIC ON ROLLER SKATES AND BIKES AND, UH, SCOOTERS.
AND THIS MAKES QUICK SIDESTEPPING VERY HAZARDOUS FOR SENIORS.
AND THEN FOURTHLY, THERE'S HIGH FRACTURE RISK.
ALRIGHT? SO WHEN A SENIOR FALLS, THEY'RE AT A HIGHER RISK OF FRACTURING AND, UH, BEING DECOMMISSIONED FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME, WHICH MAKES MY LAST POINT.
THERE'S A GREATER RISK OF SEVERITY OF INJURY FOR SENIORS.
SO MIXING A, A TRAIL IN A SENIOR COMMUNITY, THE AVERAGE AGE IS OVER 70 YEARS OLD IN THIS COMMUNITY.
SO I IMPLORE THIS GROUP TO VOTE DOWN ANY MAP THAT COMES UP THAT WOULD PUT A TRAIL THROUGH THE HEART OF A COMMUNITY WHERE THE AVERAGE AGE IS OVER 70 YEARS OLD.
THE BICYCLE, I'LL JUST SAY ON THE 28TH IS A
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WORKSHOP THAT STARTS AT SIX O'CLOCK.THAT IS GOING TO BE A FORUM, PROBABLY MUCH MORE RELAXED THAN THIS.
MR. THOMAS FROM CAMPBELL THOMAS WILL BE RUNNING IT.
UM, WE WILL ALSO BE HAVING A BIKE TOUR OF A PORTION OF THE TOWNSHIP THAT GOES THAT DAY, STARTING AT TWO O'CLOCK.
THAT INFORMATION'S ON THE WEBSITE YET BECAUSE WE'RE FINALIZING SOME LEGAL ISSUES, POLICE ISSUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT BEFORE WE PUBLISH IT.
WE WILL BE PUTTING THAT OUT THERE PROBABLY WITHIN THE WEEK.
I THEY WILL LET ME RIDE MY MOTORCYCLE IN THIS BIKE.
WANT YOUR MOTORCYCLE? YOU CAN'T RIDE
WHEN YOU SAY BIKE, I THINK OF MY, I DO HAVE A MOTORCYCLE LIFE.
I'M DIANE CAN ON NORWOOD STREET IN MONTCLAIR.
AND I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE MONTCLAIR TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT ON WHITAKER.
I DO KNOW A WHILE BACK THERE WAS POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, A TRAFFIC STUDY WE CAN'T GET OUT OF EITHER EGYPT ROAD OR ROUTE 29.
UM, WHAT'S GOING, I MEAN, I KNOW THEY LOWERED THE AMOUNT OF HOUSES 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN AT SEVERAL MEETINGS.
UM, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND GETTING OUT OF OUR HOUSE? IT TOOK 15 MINUTES THE OTHER DAY BECAUSE THEY'RE WORKING ON SOMETHING DOWN TOWARDS PHOENIXVILLE TO GET OUT OF OUR ROAD.
I MEAN, WE JUST CAN'T GET OUT OF OUR ROAD.
AND NOW YOU WANT TO PUT MORE TOWNHOUSES THAT'S LIKE 80 CARS IN THAT LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, WE, WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE, THE THEY TO COME BACK WITH THE, THEY HAVE TO DO BACK TO US.
I THINK SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER 2ND.
THEY WERE SCHEDULED TO BE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, BUT THE, THE, UM, THE, THE LETTER WAS LENGTHY.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE WORKING ON ADDRESSING SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS.
UM, I I THINK THAT YOUR COMMENTS ARE PROBABLY BEST DIRECTED AT THEM AT THAT TIME.
UM, WE CAN TALK TO 'EM ABOUT A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO DO.
DID THEY DO? I THOUGHT THEY TRAFFIC STUDY THOUGHT.
I THOUGHT THEY PUT SOMETHING UP A LITTLE WHILE AGO TICKING DOWN LIKE ON, UM, PHOEBE, I, I'M DE REFERRING TO TRAFFIC ENGINEER ON, ON WHAT? THAT THEY HAVE BEEN ON A TRAFFIC STUDY.
WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF COMMENTS AND CONCERNS WITH WHAT THEY PROVIDED AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON TO ADDRESS BEFORE THEY COME BEFORE, BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND, AND I WILL ADMIT IT IS MY OWN MISTAKE.
I SHOULD HAVE PUT UP THE REVIEWS ON THE NEW LAND DEVELOPMENT PAGE WHEN THEY CAME IN.
I'M STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS 'CAUSE IT'S A BRAND NEW FUNCTION OR WORKFLOW FOR ME.
SO THOSE REVIEWS WILL BE UP ON, HAVE YOU SEEN THE NEW LAND DEVELOPMENT PAGE? NO, I WILL CHECK IT OUT.
SO YEAH, THERE'S A NEW LAND DEVELOPMENT PAGE FOR EVERYBODY THAT SHOWS ALL OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENTS CURRENTLY IN PROCESS IN THE TOWNSHIP.
THAT, THAT ARE MOVING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
IT HAS THE REVIEW, IT WILL HAVE THE REVIEWS, IT WILL HAVE, IT HAS THE PLANS, IT HAS ANY TRAFFIC STUDIES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT ARE ON THERE.
I, I, I, I'LL, I'LL CHECK TOMORROW.
I MEAN, HOPEFULLY TOMORROW, BUT WE'LL SEE HOW THE DATE GOES.
AND SO JUST COME BACK AND ONCE AGAIN YEAH.
PLEAD OUR CASE TO THEM, A DEVELOPER.
AND WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OR, YOU KNOW, LISTEN TO YOUR CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, WELL, THE CONCERN IS TRAFFIC AND WAY OF LIFE, BUT IT DOESN'T EVER SEEM TO GET ANSWERED.
I I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE PEOPLE, BRIAN AND, AND, UH, AND, AND, AND FOLKS FROM THE DEVELOP ARE WORKING ON IT.
YOU, YOU JUST GOTTA KEEP IN THE PROCESS.
I KNOW IT'S ALL ABOUT THE PROBLEM.
UH, ALL RIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR INFORMATION TOO.
AND THE TRAFFIC ISSUE OF NOT BEING ABLE TO GET OUT OF THAT COMMUNITY WAS BROUGHT UP MONTHS AND MONTHS BACK WHEN IT WAS FIRST SUBMITTED.
SO I WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THEM.
YES, BECAUSE I, I BATTLE IT DAILY AND NOT JUST ME.
I MEAN, I HAVE AN, A NURSE, AN ANESTHETIST WHO'S WORKING AND WANTED ME TO PLEAD HER CASE TODAY WITH HER THREE KIDS THAT SHE CAN'T GET OUT.
I MEAN, I LIKE, I KNOW WE, WE UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE AND I'M SURE WHEN THEY COME BACK, BRIAN WILL HAVE LOTS OF GOOD INFO FORTH.
EVEN IF INSTEAD OF TOWNHOUSES A COUPLE HOUSES, I MEAN, THAT'LL EVEN UNDERSTAND.
THANK, THANK YOU FOR COMING IN.
2 1 2 HANOVER ROAD, UM, WITH THE REGENCY AT PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP AND REGENCY HILLS ALSO.
AND I KNOW YOU SAID THAT THIS ISN'T THE MEETING AND WE MIGHT HAVE HAD IT WRONG, BUT, UM, I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW, FOR ALL THE REASONS I WON'T GO INTO ABOUT SENIORS AND HOW WE WALK SLOW.
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I MOVED FROM NEW JERSEY HERE.I RESEARCHED A LOT OF COMMUNITIES.
I WAS MAYBE GOING TO GET A TOWNHOUSE OR A CONDO OR SOMETHING.
I MOVED HERE INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT WAS OVER 55 BECAUSE IT WAS GATED, BECAUSE I'M A SINGLE OLDER PERSON BY MYSELF.
WE'RE PAYING IN TAXES AND YET WE HAVE TO PAVE OUR OWN ROADS.
WE HAVE TO SNOWPLOW OUR OWN ROADS.
WE HAVE TO DO THE SEWER LINES UNDER THE ROADS, NOT JUST THE SEWER LINES FROM THE ROAD TO OUR HOUSE.
WE THOUGHT IT WAS A CLOSED COMMUNITY.
NOBODY STEALS OUR AMAZON PACKAGES.
I AM NOT GOING TO BE SAFE BESIDES ALL THE PHYSICAL DISABILITY THINGS.
AND WE WOULD WALK ON THOSE TRAILS WITH OUR TODDLER GRANDCHILDREN AND JUST BE LIKE, THIS
UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE EVERYBODY TO RAISE THEIR HAND, WHO'S HERE.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, LIKE HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE AT THIS MEETING RIGHT NOW, AND HOW WE'RE ALL VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
JUST EVEN IF IT'S THE WRONG SPOT.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE I WOULD HAVE TO MOVE IF YOU PASSED THIS.
YOU NEED FOLKS THAT RAISE YOUR HAND.
ALL YOU PEOPLE RAISE YOUR HAND.
YOU NEED TO COME BACK ON THE 28TH TO THAT MEETING.
THAT'S WHEN THE PLAN WILL BE PROPOSED.
THAT'S WHEN WE'LL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE CONSULTANT WHO'S BEEN PAID TO DO THIS WILL TELL US WHERE THE WHOLE THING'S GOING.
YOU'LL HAVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, NO, WE DON'T LIKE THIS.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
I'M JUST SAYING YOU'LL HAVE YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO NEGOTI YOUR PAID THIS BOARD, THIS COMMISSION, THIS TEAM HAS NOT EVEN SEEN ANYTHING ABOUT.
YOU'RE CONCERNED WHAT'S ON THE WEBSITE.
I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WEBSITE EITHER.
THIS COULD BE NOTHING TO DO WITH ALL.
WHO KNOWS, BEFORE WE MOVE ON WITH OUR REGULAR MR. AGENDA.
[GENERAL DISCUSSION ITEMS]
WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON THEN.SO FIRST APPLICANT TONIGHT IS, UH, THE COLLEGE BILL OF MULTI, OH, NO, WE GOT ZONING TEXT.
UH, WE GOT A GENERAL DISCUSSION ON, UM, DATA CENTER DECOMMISSIONING REQUIREMENTS.
UH, HELP US, JEFF, I'M GONNA LET ZACH START.
UM, SO THIS, UH, REVISION TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, ZONING AMENDMENT, UH, RELATES BACK TO YOUR RECALL THE ADOPTION OF THE ZONING AMENDMENT, UH, I THINK IN JUNE RELATED TO, UH, ALLOWING DATA CENTERS IN, UH, THE MT ZONING DISTRICTS.
UM, ESSENTIALLY IN THAT PROCESS, UH, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE AND SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS RAISED CONCERNS, UH, THAT THEY WANTED TO INCLUDE, UH, DECOMMISSIONING REQUIREMENTS, UH, RELATED TO THESE FACILITIES.
UM, SO IN ORDER TO, UH, ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS, UH, WE'VE PRETTY MUCH TAKEN THE PORTION OF THE MODEL ORDINANCE THAT WAS PROPOSED BY MONTGOMERY COUNTY, BY THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND, UH, WE, WE PROPOSED TO INSERT THOSE INTO THE TOWNSHIP'S ORDINANCE AS IT RELATES TO DATA CENTERS.
UM, SO THIS IS, UH, VIRTUALLY A WORK FOR WORD, UH, COPY AND PASTE FOR THAT MODEL ORDINANCE.
UH, AND THESE REQUIREMENTS, UH, REQUIRES, UH, FACILITIES TO COME IN AND WHEN THEY'RE PRESENTING THEIR PLAN, THEY HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE HOW THEY'RE GONNA, CONDITIONAL PROCESS AND, UH, WHAT THEY, CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS AS TO THE FACILITY IS UN USE FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, THEN THEY, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS DECOMMISSIONING PROCESS.
UM, SO THAT'S, IS THERE, UH, IS THAT GRANDFATHER ANY CURRENT DATA CENTERS? UH, IT DO NOT APPLY TO ANYTHING THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS.
THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO APPLICATIONS FOR DATA CENTERS IN THE TOWNSHIP.
UM, WELL, WE GOT THAT ONE OVER HERE.
THERE IS, THERE IS A FACILITY, BUT THERE'S NO, THERE ARE NO APPLICATIONS, NO PENDING LAND DEVELOPMENTS RELATED TO DATA CENTERS.
THE DECOMMISSIONING WOULD NOT APPLY TO THAT WOULD NOT APPLY TO, TO THAT TERMS. WELL, IT, I, JEFF, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY INTENTION TO DECOMMISSION THAT FACILITY.
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IT'S AN EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL FACILITY, SO I I DON'T SEE IT.
I MEAN, NON LAND CAN CHANGE, SO, BUT NO, THIS IS NOT APPLIED THAT, AGAIN, I THINK THE
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LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE PUTTING FORWARD THAT THE COUNTY HAS WRITTEN IS REALLY GEARED TOWARDS LARGE SCALE HYPERSCALE DATA CENTERS.IT REALLY, THAT ONE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, IS JUST ALMOST A LITTLE BOUTIQUE DATA CENTER.
AND THE IMPACT TO THAT, IF THAT WERE TO CLOSE SHOP SHUT ITS DOORS LOCKED STORES WOULDN'T BE AS GREAT AS IF YOU HAD A DATA CENTER LIKE THEY PROPOSED IN LIMERICK OR IN ONE OF THE VINCENTS.
IT'S 1.9, 1.4 MILLION SQUARE FEET.
IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT WERE CLOSE, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IMPACT TO THE TOWNSHIP, WHETHER IT'S US OR LIMERICK.
AND WE HAVE NOTHING ON THE BOOKS THAT, AND WE HAVE NOTHING, NO APPLICATIONS ON THE BOOKS.
THIS IS AN APPLICATION MOVING FORWARD.
SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO HAVE THIS RECOMMENDATION FROM YOU AND, UH, WE WILL BE ON THE BOARD AGENDA FOR A QUICK HEARING IN AUGUST.
SO, UH, KNOWING THAT WE, UH, DOES ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE ADOPT THIS, UH, UM, WE RECOMMEND THAT THEY ADOPT THIS LANGUAGE? DO THEY WANNA MAKE THAT CONCLUSION? DO WE HAVE IT IN THE PACKET SOMEWHERE? YES, IT'S RIGHT BEHIND THE AGENDA.
ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT ISSUE? YOU KNOW, THERE'S, I MEAN, THERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON, NOT JUST HERE ALL OVER, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WITH, UH, THESE DATA CENTERS, I MEAN, THERE'S WHERE YOUR, YOUR TOWNSHIP SUPERVISOR ARE WORKING FOR YOU.
I MEAN, THEY HAVE ADOPTED A VERY GOOD PROGRAM TO, TO, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, MANAGE ANYBODY COMING INTO THIS TIME.
SO I HOPE YOU TAKE THAT UNDER CONSIDERATION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION WE, UH, ADOPT THAT ADDITIONAL PACKET THAT WE CAN SEE.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? YEAH, I'LL, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.
AND YOU KNOW, ZACH HAS WORKED HARD ON THIS TOO, SO, UH, PUT A LOT OF WORK DONE ON THIS TOO, TO PROTECT THE TOWNSHIP.
UM, ALL RIGHT, SO NOW WE MOVE TO OUR FIRST APPLICANT,
[APPLICATIONS TO BE HEARD ON JULY 15, 2026]
AND THAT WILL BE ED, IS MARY MET? YEP.WITH COLLEGEVILLE, UM, MULTI-FAMILY.
AND, UH, MOST OF THEM ARE MEN ARE LOST IN SHERWOOD FOREST.
ARE THEY NOT HERE TONIGHT? NO.
ED MULLEN ON BEHALF OF THE, UH, PROJECT, WHICH IS KNOWN AS 1731 DASH 1765 SOUTH K COLLEGEVILLE ROAD.
THE MIC A LITTLE, THE, JUST MOVE THE MIC CLOSER.
THIS IS SIX PARCELS ON 28.68 ACRES.
AND WHAT WE'RE SEEKING TONIGHT IS RECOMMENDATION FOR FINAL PLAN APPROVAL.
AND WE NEED TO DISCUSS ONE LATE WAIVER THAT CAME IN, UH, AS A RESULT OF SOMETHING WITH THE COUNTY CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
I'M GOING TO HAVE PAUL LEONARD DESCRIBE THE PROJECT.
UH, YOU'VE SEEN IT AT TENTATIVE PLAN.
YOU'VE SEEN IT A PRELIMINARY PLAN.
IT HAS NOT SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGED.
UM, AND I THINK THAT, UH, I'LL JUST TURN IT OVER TO PAUL AND LET HIM TELL YOU ABOUT IT.
GOOD EVENING, LADIES, GENTLEMEN, IT'S, IT'S PAUL, UH, LEOPARD.
THERE'S ANOTHER PAUL LEONARD IN THE INDUSTRY.
SO
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS THE, UM, UH, HIGH, UH, AUTO BOND JOINT VENTURE FOR, UH, 472, UH, MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENTS, AND DID A NICE JOB SETTING UP THE APPROVAL HISTORY.
WE SUBMITTED, UH, FINAL PLANS, UM, EARLIER THIS YEAR, AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEER TO ADDRESS, UM, UH, OPEN TECHNICAL COMMENTS, AND WE ANTICIPATE TO HAVE THEM WRAPPED UP SHORTLY.
ED REFERRED TO A, UH, WAIVER THAT, UH, CAME TO, CAME TO LIGHT AS PART OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS, AND SPECIFICALLY AS PART OF OUR, UM, SEPARATE PERMIT FOR OUR STORMWATER AND PDS PERMIT.
IF YOU RECALL, UH, IN THE FALL LAST YEAR, WE REQUESTED A HANDFUL OF WAIVERS FROM THE TOWNSHIP RELATED TO THE PROJECT.
UM, TWO OF THEM HAPPENED TO BE, UM, STORMWATER ORIENTED.
AND THE OTHERS, UH, REALLY DEALT WITH, UM, UH, OPEN SPACE AND THE PROVISION OF OPEN SPACE.
UM, THOSE WAIVERS WERE, UM, GRANTED BY, RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND GRANTED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UM, THE ONE STORMWATER, UM, COMPONENT HAD TO DO WITH OUR UNDERGROUND SYSTEMS,
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AND THEY ARE MANAGED RELEASE, UH, BASINS.UM, AND THEY'RE IN RESPONSE TO THE FACT THAT THE SO UNDERLYING SOILS ARE VERY DENSE.
AND SO, UM, THE MRCS ALLOW US TO MEET THE STORMWATER, UH, REQUIREMENTS PER THE NPDS PERMIT BY, UM, YOU KNOW, ADAPTING THE UNDERGROUND DESIGNS FOR, UH, MANAGED RELEASE AND A SLOW RELEASE OVER TIME.
SO THOSE UNDERGROUND FACILITIES, IF YOU QU PRESENTATION FROM THE FALL, ARE LARGER.
IT'S LIKE TURNING OFF THE FAUCET ON YOUR SINK, UM, AS YOU, YOU KNOW, SCREW IT DOWN, LESS WATER COMES OUT.
AND SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING.
UH, ONE OF THE ELEMENTS THAT CAME OUT OF OUR TECHNICAL REVIEW WITH THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT IS A REQUIREMENT FOR AN UNDERGRAD SYSTEM.
THERE'S A INTERNAL, UM, UH, UM, WATER LEVEL, UH, IN THE BOTTOM OF THOSE BASINS THAT GETS FLUSHED OUT.
AND THAT UNDER DRAIN HELPS FLUSH THAT OUT.
AND THAT WATER THAT SITS THERE IS, UM, PART OF THE WATER QUALITY COMPONENT OF THE PER OF THE PERMIT WHERE PARTICULATE DROP OUT THE NITRO FLIES, THERE'S SOME LIMITED EVAPORATE TRANSPIRATION.
AND THAT UNDER DRAIN SYSTEM IS WHAT REGULATES THAT AND ALLOWS IT TO FLUSH AS NEW STORMWATER COMES IN, THE OLD STORMWATER FLUSHES OUT, AND WE MAINTAIN THAT INTERNAL WATER STORAGE IN THE BOTTOM OF THOSE BASINS.
UH, THE DISCHARGE OF THAT, UM, UH, UNDER DRAIN IS, UM, VIA A SIX INCH PVC OR SIX INCH HDP PIPE.
UM, THE STORMWATER ORDINANCE OF THE TOWNSHIP REQUIRES THAT A, A MINIMUM PIPE DIAMETER OF 15 INCHES AND IT BE AND BE RCP IN CERTAIN CONDITIONS.
AND SO WE'RE RESPECTFULLY ASKING FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION TO ALLOW FOR THE SIX INCH, UH, HDP PIPES TO SERVE ONLY THE UNDER DRAIN SYSTEM OF THE, UM, MRC BASINS.
AND, UM, AGAIN, THE TECHNOLOGY IS, IS, UM, BEEN OUT THERE ORDINANCES QUITE HAVEN'T ADOPTED TO THAT NEW TECHNOLOGY YET.
SO EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE WE RUN INTO THIS ISSUE.
SIMILAR TO THE DEWATERING TIME, THE TOWNSHIP ORDINANCE REQUIRES US TO, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, DEWATER THESE FACILITIES IN 24 HOURS.
THE RULES FOR MRC BASINS ARE 72.
THAT WAS THE WAIVER YOU GRANTED US IN THE FALL.
THIS IS A SIMILAR SITUATION WHERE THE REQUIRED UNDER DRAIN SYSTEM DOESN'T REQUIRE SUCH A LARGE PIPE.
SO WE'RE SIMPLY ASKING FOR A SIX INCH PIPE IN ORDER TO PASS THAT WATER THROUGH A DRAIN AND OUT.
UM, WHY NOT THE LARGER ONE? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE DOWNFALL OF THAT? WELL, THE DOWN, THE DOWNFALL IS, IS THAT THERE'S VERY LITTLE, UM, IN TERMS OF THE CALCULATIONS OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAVING TO DRAIN OUT OF THAT IS RELATIVELY SMALL IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL RATE.
SO IN ORDER FOR IT TO FLUSH OUT, IT JUST DOESN'T NEED TO BE THAT BIG.
UM, IT'S, IT'S REALLY QUITE A MODEST FLOW THAT'S STRAIGHTENED THROUGH THAT UNDER DRAIN SYSTEM.
SO WE DON'T NEED THAT, THAT CAPACITY OF PIPE IN ORDER TO FLUSH OUT THAT SYSTEM.
DID YOU SAY THE SMALLER PIPE WOULD BE MORE EFFICIENT? IT'S DEFINITELY MORE, UH, MORE EFFICIENT.
ASK YOUR QUESTION, THEN WE'LL GO TO JEN.
JEN, WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR YEAH, AGREED.
UM, WE DISCUSSED THIS EARLIER TODAY.
OBSERVATION DISTRICT IS DRIVING THIS, UH, REVISION.
AND, UM, PIGGYBACKING OFF OF WHAT PAUL SAID REGARDING CAPACITY, THE CONTROLS OF WHAT'S GOING INTO THE SIX INCH PIPE IS 1.25 INCH DIAMETER, 1.25, 1.5, SOMETHING SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER THAN SIX INCH.
SO, SO YOU, YOU AS OUR EXPERT, OR YOU'RE SAYING IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAY YES TO? YEAH.
BUT PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, ISN'T SOME OF THIS BUDDY OVER TO, OR IS IT PURE WATER? NO, NOT IN THE MRC.
IT'S ACTUALLY FOR WATER QUALITY.
THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE RELEASE.
AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU, YOU'RE FINE.
WELL THEN, I MEAN, YOU, YOU STATED THAT REAL NICE, BUT YOU KNOW, NONE OF US KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE RELY ON JEN AND SHE'S SAYING IT'S OKAY.
I MEAN, I'M SURE IT'LL BE OKAY.
THE, THE OTHER, UH, PLAN ITEM THAT WE WANTED TO BRING UP AND DISCUSS HAS TO DO WITH BUILDING FOUR, WHICH IS THE SMALLER BUILDING TO THE SOUTH SIDE.
THERE ARE TWO ENTRANCES INTO THE FACILITY, ONE OFF THE NORTH RIGHT IN THE CENTER.
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THE SOUTH SIDE, UM, THERE'S A SECOND ENTRANCE INTO FROM THE PARKING LOT.THERE IS A, UM, A GRADE CHANGE IN THAT AREA.
I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THE, THE, THE ONE OFF TO THE NORTH.
WHERE IS THAT? UH, THE ONE OFF TO THE NORTH IS, I SEE THE SOUTH ONE.
YEAH, I DON'T SEE THE ONE ON THE NORTH.
SO THAT, THAT ENTRY HAS BEEN DESIGNATED, UM, FOR OUR A DA, UH, ACCESSIBLE ROUTE AND THE SIDEWALK NETWORK FROM ROUTE 29.
AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROPOSING THE SIDEWALK ALONG THE ENTIRETY OF THE FRONTAGE.
UH, THAT'S A BARRIER FREE ENTRY COMPLIANT WITH THE A DA STANDARDS.
AND WE'VE KIND OF STAKE THAT, UH, UH, THROUGH THE LANDSCAPE IN ORDER TO MAKE THOSE GRADES HAPPEN.
WE STAYED AWAY FROM, UH, A DA, UM, ACCESSIBLE ROUTE ON THE SOUTH SIDE BECAUSE OF THE GRADE CONSIDERATIONS, UM, THAT, UH, AND THE GRAY CHANGE THAT'S PROPOSED ALONG THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE BUILDING.
AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S FULL SIDEWALK UP AGAINST THE PARKING LOT, BUT THERE'S NO CONNECTION OUT TO ROUTE 29.
UM, FOR THE GRAY CONSIDERATIONS THAT I MENTIONED, WE COULD NOT DESIGN THAT WITHOUT STAIRS, AND WE WANTED TO KEEP STAIRS OUT OF THAT ENTRANCE SEQUENCE.
UM, UH, THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEER WOULD PREFER THAT WE PROVIDE THAT SIDEWALK, AND WE, WE WOULD PREFER NOT TO FOR THE CHALLENGES THAT WE WILL HAVE IN TERMS OF ENGINEERING, THAT SIDEWALK CONNECTION WITH THE BARRIER FREE ENTRANCE IN THE NORTH, WE FEEL IS THAT WE'RE PROVIDING SUFFICIENT PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE STREET, AND WE HAVE CONVENIENT ACCESS AND ACCESSIBLE ROUTE OFF TO THE RAMP ON THE SOUTH, ON THE WEST SIDE.
AND SO OUR PREFERENCE IS NOT TO, IS NOT TO, UM, PROCEED WITH THAT.
BUT I DID, GIVEN THE NATURE THAT IT'S A PLANNING COMPONENT, BRING IT, UM, BRING IT FORWARD FOR, UM, CONSIDERATION THAT WE NOT, UM, PROCEED.
SO THAT'S ONE, ONE COMMENT, BUT THEN JUST KIND OF OVERALL, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT AGAIN IS, UH, A BUYRIGHT PROJECT.
UM, THE, UH, YEAR EAST MIXED USE DISTRICT CONTEMPLATED THE USE AND THE DENSITY, UH, THAT IS CONTEMPLATED AND SHOWN ON THE PLAN.
UH, WE'RE PROVIDING, UM, OF MORE THAN 50% OF THE SITE IS OPEN SPACE THAT WILL BE PRESERVED OFF TO THE WEST HAND, UH, THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE SITE.
UM, AND OF COURSE THERE'LL BE, UM, THOROUGHLY, UH, LANDSCAPED, UM, IN, IN, IN TERMS OF THE, UH, PACKAGE.
THERE'S ALSO, UH, AMENITY SPACE THAT'S PROPOSED.
UM, ON THE NORTH SIDE, THERE ARE TWO RECREATIONAL COURTS.
AS THAT S BUILDING, YOU CAN SEE THE ONE'S OFF TO THE EAST SIDE OF THE DROP OFF.
AND THEN, UH, THERE'S ANOTHER GATHERING SPACE, UM, FOR OUTDOOR DINING AND COOKING AND LEISURE.
UM, IT'S ALSO ADJACENT TO THE INTERIOR REC FACILITY.
SO THERE'S A YOGA AREA, SO IT'S A HIGHLY AMENITIZED COMMUNITY.
UM, THERE'S A, BETWEEN THE TWO U-SHAPED BUILDINGS SIMILAR, THERE'S AN EXTENSIVE AMENITY PACKAGE THAT CONSISTS OF AREAS FOR OUTDOOR DINING, OUTDOOR KITCHEN, UH, POOL, UM, A GRASS TURF FIELD FOR UNORGANIZED KIND OF PLAY AND RECREATION.
AND OFF THE PLAN TO THE NORTHWEST IS A COMMUNITY BALLPARK.
UM, SO WE HAVE ABOUT, ABOUT A MILE WORTH OF SIDEWALK INTEGRATED INTO THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS ALL ALONG, UH, UM, COLLEGEVILLE ROAD.
AND SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT BRINGING THIS PROJECT FORWARD AND LOOK FORWARD HOPEFULLY TO YOUR, UH, RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL THIS EVENING.
AND WITH THAT, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
WELL, BEFORE YOU THAT, LET ME JUST ASK BRIAN OR JEN, WHICH ONE'S GOING TO ANSWER THAT SIDEWALK ISSUE OR IS INVOLVED WITH THAT? THAT'S, THAT'S ME.
UH, SO THE REQUEST WAS TO, WE'RE LOOKING AT PEDESTRIAN ACCESSIBILITY, AND THE CONCERN IS WITH THE ENTRANCE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, ANY PEDESTRIANS FROM THERE THAT ARE LOOKING TO GET ONTO THE, UH, THE ROUTE 29 FRONTAGE SIDEWALK, WHICH THEN PROVIDES ACCESS FURTHER ALONG TO EVENTUALLY GET TO THE PERMA TRAIL OR OTHER LOCATIONS.
ARE THEY GOING TO WALK TO THE WEST
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SIDE OF THE BUILDING TO GET TO THE NORTH SIDE, TO WALK BACK TO THE EAST TO GET TO THE SIDEWALK? OR, MY CONCERN IS THAT THEY'RE GONNA INSTEAD WALK OUT INTO THE PAVEMENT AND WALK THROUGH THE DRIVEWAY UP TO THE SIDEWALK, AND NOW WE'RE MIXING PEDESTRIANS IN WITH THE, IN, WITH THE MOTORISTS.SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE CONCERN.
UH, AS FAR AS IT NEEDING TO BE A DA, IT DOES NOT, THEY HAVE THE A DA ACCESSIBLE ROUTE.
UH, SO THIS WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE A DA, IT COULD JUST BE A SIDEWALK WITH STAIRS.
SO THE STAIRS ISSUE REALLY ISN'T PART OF THE CORRECT.
THAT, THAT, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE CONCERN.
I, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A CONNECTION.
IT IS NOT THE MOST DIRECT AND THE MOST CONVENIENT, BUT THEY DO HAVE THE CONNECTION.
UM, AND SO THAT'S A PLANNING DECISION.
SO, SO, SO WHAT'S YOUR, OTHER THAN YOU DON'T SEE IT NECESSARY, WHAT'S YOUR, WHY ARE YOU AGAINST IT, UM, AGAINST PUTTING A FEW STEPS IN? IS THAT, IS THAT, IS THAT A UNFAIR QUESTION? IS THAT I THINK, I THINK IT'S A FAIR, IT'S A FAIR, IT'S A FAIR QUESTION.
THE, THE CHALLENGE HAS TO DO AGAIN, WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF IT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE ENGINEERING OF IT.
UM, IT'S NOT AN EASY SIDEWALK TO PROPOSE AND IT'S GOING TO SERVE, ADMITTEDLY ONLY A HANDFUL OF RESIDENTS, UM, WHERE WE HAVE AMPLE OPPORTUNITIES TO GET TO THAT SIDEWALK AND GET UP TO THE PER HUMAN TRAIL THROUGH THE COMMUNITY OUTLET.
YOU WOULD AGREE WITH BRIAN'S ASSESSMENT THAT IF SOMEBODY IS ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING, ARE THEY GONNA WALK AROUND OR ARE THEY GONNA JUST CUT THROUGH THE PARKING? UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE POSSIBILITY, BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD PROBABLY, I WOULD OPT TO GO THROUGH THE BUILDING PERSONALLY, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S MY, IF I, IF I COULD JUST ADD, UM, TONY SITES WITH THE HIGH COMPANIES, WE ARE ONE OF THE JOINT DEVELOPERS OF THIS PROJECT, AND IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE WITH YOU AGAIN.
I I'VE BEEN ABOUT EVERY MEETING.
WE, ANDY, LAURA HERE FROM AUDUBON LAND DEVELOPMENT, OUR, OUR, OUR PARTNER, UH, CO-DEVELOPER, THEY HAVE BUILDING ONE.
I, I'D ONLY SAY, YOU KNOW, I, I WANT TO FIRST COMMEND JEN AND HER TEAM FOR THE WORK THAT THEY'VE PUT IN REALLY IMPROVING, UH, THESE PLANS AND THEIR REVIEWS.
AND I DON'T THINK THERE ARE MANY, AND I WOULD SAY THAT TO BRIAN AS WELL.
UM, UH, GILMORE, UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S MANY POINTS WHERE WE'VE SORT OF TAKEN AN ISSUE.
WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF MAKING THESE COMMUNITIES SAFE AND WALKABLE AND, AND CONVENIENT FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
I THINK GOING THROUGH THE BUILDING IS, UH, THE PATH THAT THEY WOULD GO.
AND I DON'T THINK WALKING AROUND IT IS ANY GREAT HARDSHIP EITHER.
UM, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF THE ENGINEERING OF THIS SITE, UM, HAS POSED A LOT OF CHALLENGES WITH A, A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE BEING UNDERGROUND AND THE GREAT DIFFERENTIALS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, IT'S A TIGHT SITE.
THERE'S A LOT GOING ON HERE TO COMPLY WITH YOUR ORDINANCES TO DELIVER THE BEST COMMUNITY WE CAN.
IT'S NOT A HILL I WANT TO DIE ON.
DO WE WANT, IT'S, IT'S NOT A HILL I WANT TO DIE ON, BUT YOU JUST SAID THAT BRIAN AND JEN DO A GREAT JOB.
SO I MEAN, BRIAN'S RECOMMENDING THAT THIS HAPPENS.
YOU KNOW, WE PAY BRIAN A HELL OF A LOT OF MONEY BRING TRUCKLOAD.
HE'S TELLING US THIS IS A GOOD THING.
WHY, HOW CAN WE FIGHT AGAINST HIM? NOT CAN WE, I'M NOT, I'M NOT HERE TO FIGHT AGAINST BRIAN, UM, AND, UH, AT ALL.
AND I'M NOT HERE TO DO ANYTHING THAT'S A DISSERVICE TO OUR RESIDENTS.
I PERSONALLY, I THINK WE'VE GOTTA A FINE PLAN THE WAY IT IS.
UM, BUT BRIAN, ARE YOU OR, OR PAUL, OR, OR IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE I'M MISSING HERE IN TERMS OF, I MEAN, IT, IT, NO, I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
IF I MIGHT, WHAT IF RENT AS AN ALTERNATIVE, IS IT LESS ONEROUS TO JUST PROVIDE A PIECE OF SIDEWALK ON THE EAST FACE OF THE BUILDING THAT WOULD THEN CONNECT THE SOUTHERN SIDEWALK UP TO THE NORTH SIDEWALK AND USE THE SIDEWALK CONNECTION UP TO THE 29 THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE? UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ANY EASIER.
NO, THAT'S ACTUALLY IF WE'RE GONNA PUT IT IN, THAT'S THE WAY WE'RE GONNA GO.
SO THAT'S, SO THAT'S AN ALTERNATIVE THAT YOU THINK BE ACCEPTABLE.
I JUST DON'T SEE HOW WE COULD GO AGAINST BRIAN IF YOU'S THINK THIS IS A GOOD THING.
I MEAN, IF THIS WAS SOMETHING, BUT LIKE YOU SAID, YOU WANT DIE ON THIS HILL? NO, NO.
IT, IT WAS AN ITEM THAT WAS OPEN AND WE THOUGHT IT WAS, DISCUSS A DISCUSSION, DISCUSS TO, TO DISCUSS IT WITH YOU AND GET YOUR FEEDBACK.
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WE DID YOU RECEIVED IT? UM, NO, I THINK WE, I THINK, OKAY.
SO, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THESE GENTLEMEN ON THEIR PROPOSAL FOR FINAL? I WAS JUST GONNA MAKE A COMMENT.
I MEAN, WE HAD SEEN THIS BEFORE AND I GUESS I JUST DON'T REMEMBER SEEING THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS.
UM, BUT I, I, IT, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR YOU CAN GET A FEEL FOR, UH, THE GRADE CHANGE ACROSS YOUR SITE.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT PART OF THESE BUILDINGS WERE GONNA BE SIX STORIES.
I THOUGHT FIVE STORIES, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DEALING WITH.
UM, HAVING SAID THAT, THAT'S AT THE BACK END OF THE SITE.
IT'S THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE SITE.
AND I COULD SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH THE GRADE, BUT IT WAS JUST, IT WAS JUST A SURPRISE.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER ANYONE ELSE ON THIS, YOU KNOW, COMMITTEE HAD REALIZED THAT WHEN WE FIRST MADE A HUGE DIFFERENCE, BUT IT JUST DIDN'T, DIDN'T REALIZE IT.
UM, BUT THE POINT, THE OTHER POINT THAT I COME BACK TO IS, UM, AT LEAST ONE OF THE EARLIER MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE RESIDENTS SPOKE, THERE WAS AN ISSUE ABOUT, UH, YOUR BUILDING NUMBER ONE, THE NORTH ONE THAT COMES UP AGAINST THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, AND GIVEN THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS, UM, I DIDN'T, FORGIVE ME IF I MISSED IT IN THE DRAWINGS, I DIDN'T SEE A LOT OF DETAIL ABOUT YOUR LANDSCAPE BUFFERING.
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT AND THE HEIGHT AND WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THAT, THAT NORTHERN BORDER? IT IS A GREAT, ESPECIALLY AT THE BACK HALF WHERE WE'RE SIX STORIES.
WELL, AND ALSO MAYBE JUST SIMPLIFY, JUST, I THINK YOU GUYS WERE GONNA TALK TO THOSE NEIGHBORS.
YOU GUYS WERE, WE DID INSTEAD INVOLVED.
HAS THAT HAPPENED IN WE DID, WE HAD, WE HAD A SERIES OF MEETINGS WITH THOSE NEIGHBORS.
SO WE HAD MANY, WE HAD AT LEAST TWO AGGREGATE MEETINGS AND THEN WE MET INDIVIDUALLY WITH THEM.
AND AGAIN, I WAS IN A NUMBER OF HOMES THERE.
BUT PAUL, WHY DON'T YOU TALK ABOUT THE, THE BUFFERING? 'CAUSE WE, WE TOOK A LOT OF COMMENTARY AND FEEDBACK AND IMPLEMENTED ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY.
AND NONE OF THAT, THAT'S ALWAYS HELPED.
AND NONE OF THAT'S SHOWN ON ANY OF THESE PLANETS.
OH, NO, NOT, NOT ON THE PLAN, NOT ON, IT'S SHOWN ON THE SCREEN.
BUT THERE IS A, AN EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPE PLAN AS PART OF THE PLAN PACKAGE.
AND THE, OR THE ORDINANCE ALREADY REQUIRES, UM, LANDSCAPING IN THAT AREA, WHICH WE HAVE PROVIDED IN CONJUNCTION WITH A BERM.
UM, AND IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS, FENCING.
SO THERE'S AN EXTENSIVE MENU OF LANDSCAPE LANDSCAPING IN TERMS OF GRADING, IN TERMS OF BERM AND FENCE ALONG A PORTION OF THAT, UM, PROPERTY LINE TO HELP MITIGATE THOSE, THOSE VIEWS.
AND THAT WAS TO WHAT, UM, TONY ALLUDED TO, WAS SHARED WITH, UM, OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH END COLLEGEVILLE BOROUGH.
UM, SO THAT IN ITSELF, UM, WILL PROVIDE A, UH, YEAR ROUND, UM, BUFFER.
IT'S A MIX OF BOTH DECIDUOUS AND EVERGREEN TREES, UH, UH, AS WELL AS SHRUBS.
UH, WE ALSO WERE VERY DELIBERATE ABOUT THE PLACEMENT OF PARKING LOT LIGHTING TO MINIMIZE, UM, THAT IMPACT.
AND I ALSO BELIEVE THAT, UM, EARLY ON, UM, AUDUBON HAD CERTAIN ACTIVE, MORE ACTIVE RECREATION FACILITIES ON THAT NORTH COURTYARD, WHICH THEY NOW RELOCATED TO THE SOUTH OUT OF RESPECT FOR OUR NEIGHBORS AND THE CONCERNS THAT THEY SHARED.
SO WE'VE BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE TO FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED.
TONY, WOULD YOU BE, WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE, ARE, HAVE BOUGHT INTO THE PROGRAM AND THEY'RE FULL? IF YOU MIND IF I ASK, IS ANYBODY HERE FROM THAT COMMUNITY WANTS TO SPEAK ON THAT ISSUES? SO NOBODY BEING HERE TELL THAT, THAT THEY'RE SATISFIED? WOULD YOU, WOULD ANYBODY AGREE WITH THAT? YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD'VE NICE TO HAVE INCLUDED THAT IN THE PLAN THAT WE COULD HAVE SEEN.
WELL MAYBE JUST PASS BY THERE.
I THINK WE DEFINITELY SATISFIED THEIR CONCERNS.
IT SOUNDS LIKE NOBODY'S HERE, SO IT MUST BE SATISFIED.
AND, AND THOSE, IT'S ALWAYS A CHALLENGE FOR ME WHEN THERE'S 150 PAGES IN THIS PLAN SET.
SO IT'S ALWAYS A CHALLENGE FOR ME TO FIGURE OUT.
THAT'S WHY I SAID I, BECAUSE I WAS WITH CHERRY, I MEAN, WE HAD NEIGHBORS HERE AND THAT WAS THEIR CONCERN, RIGHT.
AND I JUST WANTED TO, AND THEY, WE DID TALK TO THEM AND APPARENTLY THEY DID.
AND, AND, AND IF THERE'S EVER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT PLANS, I CAN ALWAYS SEND YOU A LINK TO THE SPECIFIC PAGE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I DO SEND A LINK TO THE OVERALL SITE, BUT THE OVERALL PLANS, BUT I GET IT, THAT'S ALWAYS A CHALLENGE TO NAVIGATE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU, JOE? UM, THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT, I GUESS MAKE A COMMENT THAT, JOE, WE ALWAYS, WE ALWAYS BRING THIS UP, BUT, UH, IF I, YOU KNOW, UM, I'M READING THIS RIGHT, RIGHT.
THE, THE, THE REVIEW LETTERS ARE STILL QUITE LENGTHY.
UM, AND I, I KNOW WE, YOU COME UP AGAINST THIS ALL THE TIME THAT YOU'RE GONNA TAKE CARE OF YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU TELL US YOU'RE GONNA TAKE CARE OF THESE THINGS, BUT, UM, THERE'S STILL A LOT, THERE'S A LOT HERE AND YOU, YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK, UM, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH IT.
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THEIR ABILITY TO RESPOND? YEAH, AND EVEN THE DRAFT LETTER THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE IN YOUR POSSESSION, THEY HAVE ISSUED, UM, SIX SUBMISSIONS SO FAR TO PARTIAL, PARTIAL NOT COMPLETE, RIGHT? PARTIAL ADDRESSING SPECIFIC COMMENTS ALONG THE WAY.UM, I, AT LEAST FIVE PAGES OF THAT LETTER ARE GONE THAT THEY'VE ADDRESSED JUST IN THE LAST 48 HOURS.
SO THEY'RE DEFINITELY MOVING QUICKLY TO, TO ADDRESS EVERYTHING.
SEVERAL, AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT THIS MORNING TOO, THE, A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT ARE REMAINING IN THE LETTER OR THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING BACK AND FORTH, THEY'RE REALLY FOR CONSTRUCTION.
YOU KNOW, THE ORDINANCE IS BEING SATISFIED, BUT AS I EXPLAINED IT, WE WILL HAVE CONSTRUCTION OBSERVERS OUT THERE, AND I'M GONNA MAKE SURE THAT AS FEW QUESTIONS ARE ASKED DURING CONSTRUCTION, SO THAT NOBODY'S BEING SLOWED DOWN OR PUT ON THE SPOT TO MAKE A DECISION.
SO, AND THAT'S WHERE THEY'VE BEEN VERY AGREEABLE WITH, WITH UPDATING DETAILS AND CONSISTENCY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE, WE'RE AT THIS FINAL STAGE AND WE'RE STILL SEEING A MULTI, MULTI PAGE LETTER, JUST LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, IT'S TAKING A WHILE.
I MEAN, CHERRY, I MEAN THAT CONCERNS ME THAT WE'RE HERE AT A QUOTE, FINAL APPROVAL STAGE, AND WE'VE GOT, UH, 60 ITEMS ON THE SUBDIVISION LAND DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UTILITY PLAN ARE 18 ITEMS. WE'VE GOT STORM WATER WITH 23 ITEMS, SANITARY SEWER DISPOSAL, 17 ITEMS. UH, WE'VE GOT LANDSCAPING, THE LIGHTING, WE GOT PERMIT APPROVALS, EIGHT ITEMS. WE GOT, UH, ZONING ISSUES, EIGHT ITEMS. I MEAN, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE, HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED, AND SOME ARE PROBABLY VERY EASY TO RESOLVE AND SOME ARE NOT SO EASY.
MAYBE I DON'T KNOW THE COMPLEXITY OF ALL THE COMMENTS, BUT WHAT CONCERNS ME IS, IS THAT WE'RE AT THE QUOTE, FINAL STAGE, THIS WERE, YOU KNOW, PRELIMINARY.
I'D SAY, HEY, LET'S GO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT THE ISSUES ARE, GET 'EM RESOLVED.
YOU SAY, YEP, EVERYTHING'S FINE.
AND WHEN WE SEE THE FINAL PLAN, WE'LL SEE THAT ALL OF THAT HAS HAPPENED AND, AND WE'RE NOT READY TO MOVE FORWARD.
I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT, THAT TO SAY, YES, WE APPROVED THE QUOTE, FINAL PLAN, THAT THERE ARE ISSUES, UM, THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT.
AND I, I, I DON'T HAVE TO RESOLVE THE NUMBER OF ISSUES AND ITEMS THAT ARE STILL OPEN, SOME BEING MINOR AND SOME PERHAPS BEING MAJOR FIRE MARSHAL MAJOR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ZONING ISSUES.
I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT, THAT THIS IS NOT YET QUOTE ENOUGH OF A FINAL PLAY TO SAY WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AS FINAL PLAN.
THAT'S, WELL, SIR, IF, IF I CAN COMMENT, UH, TONY HAD INDICATED THAT WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE WAY GILMORE HAS BEEN WORKING WITH US.
I MEAN, WE HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH 'EM ON A WEEKLY, ALMOST DAILY BASIS.
AND I THINK, I, I COULD BE WRONG AND WE'LL LET JEN SPEAK FOR HERSELF THAT SHE DOES NOT SHARE YOUR CONCERN.
THAT WE WILL BE READY BY THE TIME WE GO TO THE SUPERVISORS IN AUGUST, HAVE ALL THESE ITEMS RESOLVED.
OKAY? BUT IS IT FAIR TO MAKE US SAY, APPROVE THIS WITHOUT THOSE, AND THEN BECAUSE WE GIVE IT TO THE SUPERVISORS APPROVED BECAUSE WE THINK BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THE SUPERVISOR, EVERYTHING BE RESOLVED.
WELL, I GUESS WHAT I, I MEAN, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT SAYS THIS IS THE PLAN.
WE THINK IT'S, WE'LL APPROVE IT WITH ALL THESE OPEN ITEMS AND WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT YEAH, YOU'LL RESOLVE THEM ALL.
AND, AND, AND THE SUPERVISORS ARE GONNA SAY, WELL, THE PLANNING COMMISS COMMISSION TOOK A UNANIMOUS VOTE TO APPROVE THIS PLAN WHEN TO ME IT ISN'T YET QUITE FINAL.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS NONSIGNIFICANT ISSUES.
WHAT ARE YOU GONNA, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA PRESENT TO THE SUPERVISOR WHEN YOU MEET THAT YOU WOULDN'T PRESENT THAT TO WAIT TO THE SUPERVISOR? ARE YOU GONNA, IS, ARE ALL THESE ISSUES GONNA BE RESOLVED AND PRESENTED IN THE PLAN? YOU PRESENT TO THE SUPERVISORS? WILL THEY BE WELL HERE? UM, SO THE, TO GET BACK TO MR. PETERS, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR COMMENT COMMENTS ABOUT SPECIFIC, UM, ITEMS. FOR EXAMPLE, A MAJORITY OF THE ZONING ITEMS, ACTUALLY ALL OF 'EM, UH, ARE DEALING WITH THE, UM, THE FEMA FLOODPLAIN, WHICH IS UNDER REVIEW, UM, BY FEMA.
UH, WE'RE EXPECTING THAT TO BE RESOLVED.
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THAT IS RESOLVED, THOSE COMMENTS GO AWAY.SO, UM, THE REMAINING TO ED'S POINT, THE REMAINING, UM, COMMENTS IN THE REVIEW LETTER, AND I DON'T WANT TO, UH, SPEAK FOR JEN EITHER.
UM, WHILE THEY ARE NOTED COMMENTS AND REQUIRE AN ANNOTATION UPDATE, THE CHANGES ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE OUR ABILITY TO MEET EITHER THE STORM WATER, UM, UM, UM, OR COMPLIANCE ISSUES OF THE OR OF THE ORDINANCE.
AND OUR EXPECTATION IS THAT WE WILL HAVE CLEAN PLANS AND WILL NOT.
OUR EXPECTATION IS TO BE ABLE TO GO TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UM, WITH CLEAN PLANS.
BUT THE CHANGES THAT ARE REQUIRED TO GET THERE ARE, ARE, ARE MINOR, ARE ARE VERY, VERY, VERY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THINKING WHY YOU WOULD THINK THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO PROVE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULDN'T GIVE TO THE SUPERVISORS.
I, I GUESS I'M SUGGESTING THAT THAT ELEMENTS THAT ARE LEFT OR NOT PLANNING ITEMS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TECHNICAL, UH, ITEMS RELATED TO, UH, A MISLABEL ON OUTLET STRUCTURE THAT'S GONNA STAY.
BUT I'M NOT TRYING ANSWER MY QUESTION.
MY QUESTION IS, WHY WOULD YOU PRESENT SOMETHING TO THE SUPERVISORS THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN YOU WANT US TO APPROVE? WHAT WITNESS? I THINK, I THINK WHAT HE'S ANSWERING IS THAT, UH, WHAT WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO IS WE HAVE MINOR, MINOR THINGS LIKE A, A MISLABELED OUTLET.
UH, THAT'S NOT A PLANNING ISSUE.
THE PLANNING ISSUES ARE THE, THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDINGS, THE LOCATIONS OF THE INS AND OUTS, ALL THOSE THINGS.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR ASSESSMENT.
I DON'T THINK THEY CARE ABOUT STORM MANAGEMENT.
WE SIDEWALKS, WE CARE ABOUT DISCHARGE.
THAT'S, THIS IS ALL PART PLANNING, THIS DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT WHETHER YOU GONNA BUILD A BUILDING AND IF YOU'RE GONNA PRESENT SOMETHING TO THE SUPERVISORS THAT WE DON'T SEE UNTIL THEY SEE IT AND YOU WANT US TO APPROVE IT, THAT, THAT JUST SEEMED TO BE REALLY UNFAIR.
DOC, IF I COULD, UM, IF YOU NEED YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, TAKE IT.
YOU, IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK AND PRESENT SOMETHING THE FIRST, YOU KNOW, THE BEGINNING OF AUGUST BEFORE THE SUPERVISOR'S MEETING AND SAY, THIS IS NOW WE'VE RESOLVED ALL THESE ISSUES AND THIS IS THE FINAL PLAN THAT WE'RE GONNA PRESENT TO THE SUPER.
WE WANT YOU TO APPROVE THIS PLAN THAT, THAT YOU WILL THEN PRESENT TO THE SUPERVISORS.
I DON'T THINK YOU'RE BEING FAIR TO US.
THAT'S, I, I CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY TOM AND, AND I I WANT TO BE FAIR TO YOU.
I WANT TO BE NOTHING BUT FAIR TO YOU.
THIS IS A SCHEDULE THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED, UH, AT LENGTH WITH STAFF.
I THINK YOU SHOULD HEAR FROM JEN, BUT I, I'M PUSHING, I'M TAKING RESPONSIBILITY.
I I'M TAKING, IF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO DIRECT FRUSTRATION, YOU CAN DIRECT IT AT ME.
MY FRUSTRATION'S NOT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU THINK WE'RE NOT WORTH HEARING ALL THE FIRE YOU ARE.
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY WORTH HEARING IT.
AND WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH YOU AND, AND YOUR ADVISORS TO PERFECT THIS PLAN.
THEY ARE NOT GONNA MATERIALLY CHANGE WHAT GOES TO THE SUPERVISORS.
AND THE ZONING ISSUES ARE NOT GONNA CHANGE UNTIL WE HAVE THE FEMA FLOOD PLAN.
AND THIS IS A, IF I CAN, IF I CAN FINISH, SIR, THIS IS A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL AND I'M BEING PUNISHED FOR THE, UH, IN A SENSE WE ARE, WE ARE BEING HARMED FOR THE FEMA ISSUES BECAUSE THERE WAS A PARTIAL FEDERAL SHUTDOWN THAT BASICALLY PARALYZED THAT AGENCY AND WE HAD TO WAIT MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS FOR A REVIEW THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRO FORMA AND WE'RE ON OUR THIRD REVIEWER.
SO THOSE COMMENTS, AND THE FIRST COUPLE PAGES ARE GONNA STAY.
THEY'RE GONNA BE IN FRONT OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UNTIL THIS IS ALL DONE AND THAT, THAT, THAT'S FINE.
I'LL FIND IT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE ISSUE.
BUT, BUT, BUT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE, THAT YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER IN TERMS OF DESIGNING THIS OVERALL DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE ISSUES AND ITEMS, WHICH, I MEAN, I HEAR SOME ARE MINOR.
SOME MAY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE MAJOR.
I I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CATEGORIZE EVERY SINGLE ONE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA INTEND TO GO THROUGH THEM, BUT I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WHERE I AM HERE IS THAT WHAT WE, I THINK WANT TO SEE IS THE PLAN THAT YOU CONSIDER TO BE FINAL, THAT YOU ARE GONNA PRESENT TO THE SUPERVISORS THAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO RECOMMEND THEY REVIEW AND APPROVE.
AND UNTIL WE SEE THE PLAN IN ITS FINAL STAGES THAT YOU'RE GONNA PRESENT TO THE SUPERVISORS, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE TAKING A VOTE ON
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NOBODY WANTS TO SPEAK FOR JUDGE.LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THEY HAVE, UM, DROPPED AT LEAST FIVE PAGES OUT OF THE LETTER.
UM, I SENT ANOTHER ONE OUT PROBABLY ABOUT 4 45 THIS AFTERNOON.
THEY ARE DEFINITELY PROACTIVELY MOVING FORWARD.
WE'VE DISCUSSED MANY, MANY MORE ISSUES THAN I'VE SEEN PLANS OF.
THEY'VE SHOWED ME SCREENSHOTS, YOU KNOW, ON THE COMPUTER DURING OUR CALLS TODAY.
SO I WOULD SAY BASED ON OUR CALL THIS MORNING, AT LEAST THREE MORE PAGES HAVE BEEN DONE ON THEIR COMPUTER.
THEY JUST HAVEN'T GIVEN ME THE PLAN FOR IT YET.
UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S, IT'S YOUR CALL, BUT, UM, THE PLAN THAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN WHEN YOU SEE IT AGAIN, IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S THE CONSTRUCTION DETAILS THAT ARE GONNA BE IN THE PLAN.
THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, THAT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE.
UM, FROM WHAT YOU'VE SEEN, THE OUTFALLS ARE NOT MOVING BECAUSE THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT IS CONTROLLING THOSE.
UM, AND A LOT OF THE, UH, STORMWATER REVISIONS TO DATE FOR THE INCONSISTENCIES ARE BECAUSE THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT RECENTLY THROUGH A MONKEY WRENCH IN WITH THESE WHOLE UNDER DRAINS BEING REROUTED.
AND THAT WAS THE NEED FOR THE WAIVER TODAY.
SO, UM, LIKE I SAID, PRE PLAN PRESENTATION AND THE LOCATION OF UNDERGROUND BASINS, THEY'RE GONNA STAY IN THE LOCATION AS IT'S OKAY.
AND, AND I'LL JUST JUMP IN QUICKLY.
UM, THERE ARE GONNA BE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF COMMENTS THAT JUST STAY IN THE LETTER, RIGHT? LIKE THE LETTER IS INCLUDED AS IN EXHIBIT TWO, AN APPROVAL RESOLUTION.
AND THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT JUST SIMPLY NEED TO BE MEMORIALIZED THROUGH THAT LETTER.
UM, YOU KNOW, FEES THAT THEY PAY, THE COMAR, THE JUSTIN, THE ADJUSTMENT TO THE, THE FLOODPLAIN MAPS.
THOSE ARE JUST THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO MEMORIALIZE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, YEAH, WE'LL GIVE YOU YOUR APPROVAL BECAUSE YOU MEET ALL OF THE TOWNSHIP REQUIREMENTS, BUT IT'S CONDITIONED ON YOU DOING ALL THESE OTHER OUTSIDE THINGS.
SO EVEN IF THEY COME BACK IN AUGUST, THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A FULLY CLEAN, CLEAN LETTER.
THERE'S STILL GONNA BE SOME ISSUES.
AND PRIMARILY AROUND THAT FEMA ISSUE AND THE FLOODPLAINS AND ALL THAT.
AND I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME REMAINING CLEANUP THINGS, AS JEN'S MENTIONED.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF YOU GUYS WERE INCLINED TO GO FORWARD, IF YOU ALSO WANT TO JUST HAVE 'EM COME BACK IN AUGUST, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO URGENCY AT THIS POINT.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THE INTENTION WAS FOR YOU GUYS TO BE ON THE AGENDA FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS NEXT WEEK.
YOU WERE PLANNING ON BEING ON THE 20TH, RIGHT? SO, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE SOME REMAINING CLEANUP ITEMS THAT YOU HAVE TO, TO WORK OUT OR TO, TO RESOLVE BEFORE YOU GO TO THE BOARD.
SO I JUST THINK THAT, I JUST THINK THAT, AND I MEAN, TONY, YOU'VE BEEN A GREAT GUY, PAUL, GREAT ED, I'VE KNOWN YOU FOR YEARS.
BUT DON'T CHARACTERIZE US AS, IT'S NOT IMPORTANT FOR YOU GUYS TO, TO UNDERSTAND OR, OR APPROVE THESE THINGS.
AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND OUR LIMITATIONS AS A, AS A BOARD, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT HERE TO, UH, JUST STAMP THINGS THROUGH AND HAVE THE SUPERVISOR THEN SAY, OH, OKAY.
YOU KNOW, LET THEM DO THE WORK.
I JUST THINK THAT YOU MISJUDGED THAT, THAT FROM US, IF I CAN, IF I CAN SAY THAT.
AND IT'S POSSIBLE IN THE PAST THAT ESPECIALLY YOU HANDLED MANY, MANY, MANY PLANS IN THE TOWNSHIP, IT'S POSSIBLE WE'VE PUSHED THESE ALONG AND BEFORE THE PAST, BUT WE PRETTY MUCH, WE'RE TAKING A STRONGER STANCE IN THAT WHOLE POSITION.
SO ZACH, WHAT, WHAT IS THEIR NEXT STEP? TAKE A, A VOTE ON RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD SUPERVISORS.
THERE'S ALSO THE, UH, MINOR SUBDIVISION THAT'S ON THAT'S IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS PROJECT, BUT SEPARATE FROM EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED SO FAR.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE RESOLUTION IS IN THE AGENDA PACKET.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS DISCUSS, LAST COMMENT DISCUSSED JULY 1ST.
UM, THEY MADE THE RECOMMENDATION ON THAT AS THAT IT'S GOING TO GO BEFORE THE BOARD AT THEIR MEETING ON THE 20TH.
SO WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED YOU WERE HERE AND WE DID APPROVE THAT.
SO YES, TO GIVE, TO GIVE CHAD SOME COVER.
AND BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T HERE EITHER.
YOU COULD I ASK A QUESTION? UM, IF JEFF, UM, IN TERMS OF SCHEDULE FOR THE 20TH, IF YOU CAN GET THEM CLEANED UP, WE CAN HAVE THE MEETING ON THE FIFTH, ON THE 5TH OF AUGUST.
SO YOU'D STILL BE ON THE AUGUST AGENDA.
UH, RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE THE ONLY THING ON THE AGENDA.
I CLEARED THAT OFF TO OUT TOWN, BUT I WOULD BE BACK IF WE NEED TO BE.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU KNOW WHERE I'M AT.
WE'VE BEEN AT THIS A LONG TIME.
AND FROM A SCHEDULED STANDPOINT,
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WE'VE BEEN TOO, I, I KNOW, I KNOW, GENTLEMEN.I KNOW WE'VE WORKED WITH, WE'VE WORKED VERY, VERY HARD WITH YOUR TEAM.
THERE IS NO DISRESPECT FOR THIS PROCESS.
WELL, IT DIDN'T COME ACROSS THAT WAY.
I, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT IF IT DID.
BUT, UM, WE, WE ALSO ARE REALLY HOPING, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE A MITIGATION PERIOD, UM, UH, WITH, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE FACT ISSUE, THE ENDANGERED SPECIES HERE.
UM, AND THAT ALLOWS US TO GET IN THE GROUND AFTER AUGUST 15TH, I THINK.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE, I THINK, AND I THINK ALL WE'RE ASKING HERE IS WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO DELAY YOUR PROCESS YEP.
NO, I, THAT GIVES ME SOME COMFORT, SIR.
ALL WE'RE SAYING IS, IS THAT I, I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE TAKING A VOTE TO APPROVE A FINAL, FINAL PLAN THAT YOU GO BEFORE THE SUPERVISORS WITH.
AND WE SAID, YES, THIS IS THE PLAN.
WE APPROVE AND RECOMMEND THAT YOU APPROVE AS SUPERVISORS TO START PUTTING SHOVELS IN THE GROUND.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING.
I THINK WE'RE ALL, SO ZACH, WHAT'S OUR STEP HERE TABLE? UM, YEAH, IT WOULD BE THE TABLE IF YOU'RE NOT INCLINED TO WELL, WE TAKE A VOTE AND, AND TURN IT DOWN.
OR DO WE, DO WE TAKE I DON'T, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT ANYTHING THAT WE SAID JUST, WE JUST AGREE TO COME BACK.
THAT'S ASKING'S THE LEGAL PROCESS.
I I THINK AT THIS POINT IT WOULD BE JUST A VOTE TO TABLE IT IF YOU'RE NOT INCLINED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THIS EVENING.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE YOU GUYS.
ALRIGHT, SO I'LL TAKE A REC, I'LL TAKE A, UM, A MOTION TO TABLE THIS UNTIL, UM, WE FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THEY'VE CLEANED UP AS MANY AS THEY CAN THAT OUT OF, THEY'RE NOT UNDER THEIR CONTROL.
FEMA, PEOPLE LIKE ME COME BACK IN THE FIRST, UH, FIRST WEDNESDAY.
SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE A VOTE ON THIS, UH, RECOMMENDATION.
UH, ASSUME THAT THEY'LL BE RETURNING ON THE, UH, 5TH OF AUGUST, I BELIEVE, UH, TO PRESENT A FINAL PLAN THAT WILL THEN, ASSUMING IT'S ACCEPTABLE TO GO FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AT THEIR NEXT MEETING IN AUGUST.
SO I HAVE A FIRST AND SECOND TO TABLE THIS MOTION OR THIS, UH, APPLICANT TO, UH, FILL THE 5TH OF AUGUST, IF THAT'S THE NEXT DAY, RIGHT, JEFF? IS THAT YEAH, AUGUST 5TH.
OUR NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, SPRINGFIELD AREA SCHOOL DISTRICT HEALTH CENTER.
AND THIS GENTLEMAN'S BEEN SITTING HERE SO PATIENTLY BLESS YOU, BUDDY.
THIS HAS BEEN VERY ENTERTAINING.
UH, MY NAME IS DAVID COMER OF MCNEES WALLACE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT'S SPRING FORD AREA SCHOOL DISTRICT IN CONNECTION WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT'S CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION FOR ITS PROPERTY LOCATED 1 99 BECHTEL ROAD.
UH, WITH ME TONIGHT ARE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT'S ENGINEER, JEREMY AZAR GENTLEMAN SITTING RIGHT THERE.
AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT'S DIRECTOR OF PLANNING OPERATIONS AND FACILITIES.
THE IMP PEG GREEN SITTING RIGHT THERE.
BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, THE PROPERTY HAS AN UNDERLINING ZONING OF R ONE AND IS ALSO LOCATED WITHIN THE INSTITUTIONAL DISTRICT OVERLAY.
THE PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY USED AS A SCHOOL AND THEN THE PROPERTY SERVED AS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT'S ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES UNTIL THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS WHEN THE DISTRICT RELOCATED ITS ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES AND DEMOLISHED THE SCHOOL BUILDING LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY.
WHAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS SEEKING IS CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL TO PUT A HEALTH CLINIC ON THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD PROVIDE PATIENT HEALTHCARE SERVICES TO ELIGIBLE EMPLOYEES AND THEIR FAMILIES.
UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS BEING DONE IN OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
UM, MOST NOTABLY NORTH PENN SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS A SIMILAR FACILITY THAT IT PROVIDES HEALTHCARE SERVICES TO ITS EMPLOYEES AND FAMILIES.
THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PROPOSES A 2,500, A 2,520 SQUARE FOOT MODULAR BUILDING, 60 FOOT BY 42 FEET, WHICH WOULD HOUSE A HEALTH CLINIC ALONG WITH 13 PARKING SPACES WITH A DA ACCESS AND RELATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDING STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND LANDSCAPE BUFFERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH TOWNSHIP REQUIREMENTS.
UH, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AS SATISFIES THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUIREMENTS OR HAS EXISTING NONCONFORMITIES IN CONNECTION WITH THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS SUBMITTED TO THE TOWNSHIP BOTH A COMMUNITY
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IMPACT STATEMENT AND A TRAFFIC IMPACT STATEMENT, AND WE HAVE RECEIVED A POSITIVE REVIEW LETTER FROM THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION.WE ALSO HAVE RECEIVED THE REVIEW LETTER FROM THE TOWNSHIP'S ENGINEER, WHICH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT'S ENGINEER SPOKE WITH EARLIER TODAY AND INDICATES ALL OF THE ITEMS ON THERE ARE WILL COMPLIES.
UM, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
AND WE ARE SEEKING TONIGHT A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE BOARD APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION.
LET ME ASK HOW YOU, JEN? YEAH, CAN I, CAN I PUT IN HERE? SO IN THE PHONE CALLS THAT WE HAD TODAY, ITEMS FIVE, FOUR AND SIX F SHOULD BE REWORDED.
UM, THERE IS NO THREE A BUFFER IN THE TOWNSHIP.
AND THE, UM, IN FIVE FOUR, THE REFERENCE TO 75 FEET SHOULD HAVE BEEN 70.
AND THEIR PLAN CONFORMS TO BOTH OF THOSE COMMENTS.
SO THE COMMENTS WOULD STILL BE IN THE LETTER.
THEY WOULD BE REWORDED SAYING THAT THEY CONFORMED TO THEM.
AND THAT WAS 5 4, 5 4 AND SIX FF.
AND AGAIN, UM, WE ARE AT THE POINT WHERE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL PROCESS.
IF AND WHEN THAT IS OBTAINED, WE WILL BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION.
WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY IS THE NEED FOR THIS? UM, DAN CAN SPEAK TO THAT, BUT THE DISTRICT IS SELF-INSURED.
IT'S A, IT'S A ONE OF THE LARGEST EMPLOYEES OR EMPLOYEE LARGEST DISTRICT.
WE'RE WELL AWARE
AND DAN, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING? SURE.
SO, UM, MY NAME IS DAN PELLEGRIN.
UM, BASICALLY SPRINGFIELD EMPLOYEES 1200, ABOUT 1200 EMPLOYEES.
THIS FACILITY WE WENT TO VISIT UP AT NORTH PENN.
THEY PROVIDE SERVICES LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, SIMPLE, YOU KNOW, SHOTS, THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE, BUT YOU GO TO A REGULAR DOCTOR TODAY.
THEM COSTS ARE CERTAINLY INCREASING AT A TREMENDOUS RATE.
SO ULTIMATELY THIS IS TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES TO THE EMPLOYEES OF SPRINGFIELD AND THEIR FAMILIES.
AND THERE'S BEEN STUDIES DONE THAT SIGNIFICANTLY SHOWS A, A HUGE COST SAVINGS TO THE DISTRICT AS WE ARE SELF-INSURED.
UM, SO YOU'LL HAVE A STAFF, THE STAFF ACTUALLY THE STAFF.
THE STAFF IS PROBABLY GONNA BE A THIRD PARTY THAT KIND OF RUNS THE FACILITY.
UM, AND THEY WILL BE PROVIDING ALL THE SERVICES VIA THAT THIRD PARTY DOCTORS, NURSES, MOSTLY NURSES VIA IT COULD BE, COULD BE SOME, SOME THERE, THERE'S NO DOCTORS.
SIMILAR TO THAT TYPE OF PERSON.
THERE WON'T BE X-RAYS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, JUST HAVE TO GO TO YOUR REGULAR DOCTOR FOR THEM KIND OF SERVICES.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE FLU, YOU HAVE A COLD FEEL GOOD, WHATEVER.
AND IMMUNIZATION, WHATEVER THAT ALL THE IMMUNIZATIONS WOULD BE DONE THERE.
DID YOU PROVIDE US ANY OF THOSE COST SAVINGS? UM, I DON'T, I COULD, I MEAN, WE COULD REACH OUT TO NORTH PENN TO SEE WHAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THEIR EXPERIENCING WITH THEIR COST SAVINGS.
BUT I DON'T HAVE THEM THIS EVENING.
WELL, IT AFFECTS, TO ME IT AFFECTS IT BECAUSE IT, IT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GONNA REDUCE, THE SCHOOL BOARD IS NOT AFRAID TO SPEND MONEY, OUR TAXES.
IF THEY'RE GONNA SAVE MONEY, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHERE THEY'RE SAVING THE MONEY.
WE CERTAINLY CAN PROVIDE THAT.
SORT OF AN ECONOMIC PLAN, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY.
IF, IF THE NUMBERS WORK, I GUESS WHAT WE WANNA SEE IS THE NUMBERS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO I'M CURIOUS, WHAT, WHAT'S A MODULAR BUILDING IN YOUR, IN YOUR TERMS? SO A MODULAR BUILDING IS BASICALLY THE BUILDING WILL COME IN TWO SECTIONS AND WE'LL GET JOINED TOGETHER.
THAT CREATES THE 2,500 SQUARE FEET.
UM, IT'S, I DON'T WANNA SAY IT'S A TRAILER, BUT IT'S LIKE A, IT'S A BUILDING THAT'S BUILT WALL SITE AND THEN BROUGHT, SHIPPED INTO THE LOCATION SET ON CONCRETE PILLARS, YOU KNOW, SKIRTING AROUND IT, A DA RAMPS, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR THE BUILDING TO FUNCTION.
WE'RE, WE'RE NOT THERE YET BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.
WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT CONDITION VIEWS.
I JUST CURIOUS WHAT YOU MEANT BY MODULAR SCHOOL DISTRICTS TEND TO USE MODULARS FOR CLASSROOMS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
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SOUNDS GOOD.WHO HAS DAN INDICATED WE WILL REQUEST AN, AN ANALYSIS OF THE, THE COST BENEFIT FOR THIS PROJECT? WELL, I CERTAINLY THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME TO VOTE ANYTHING ON THIS THING BECAUSE I CAN SAY THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS NO PROBLEM, OUR TAXES VERY, VERY READILY.
AND, UH, IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING POSITIVE HERE, THEN, THEN I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO SEE THAT.
SO THAT, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME.
BUT WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO HERE? SO THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION, WHICH, AND THE, THE SPECIFIC REQUEST IS RELATED TO THE USE.
THE CLINIC IS PERMITTED IN THE INSTITUTIONAL DISTRICT BY CONDITIONAL USE.
UM, BUT CONDITIONAL USE IS A PERMITTED USE SO LONG AS THEY MEET THE CRITERIA OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
UH, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS WHEN YOU SUBMIT CONDITIONAL USE IS HAZARD PLANNING COMMISSION TO BE REVIEWED AND, UH, WITH THE REQUEST THAT YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
UM, I BELIEVE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU GUYS ARE PLANNING ON GOING FORWARD WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE HEARING IN SEPTEMBER, CORRECT? YES.
I, UM, I MEAN I I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S BEEN ANYTHING PRESENTED THAT WOULD INDICATE THAT THEY WOULDN'T COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, I KNOW YOU'RE LOOKING FOR MORE INFORMATION.
THIS WOULD COME BACK, JEFF, THIS WOULD COME BACK FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL, RIGHT? YES.
SO THIS, THIS WILL COME BACK BEFORE YOU, UM, BUT THEY'VE CHOSEN NOT TO KIND OF DO THOSE, UH, CONTEMPORANEOUSLY.
THEY'RE DOING THE CONDITIONAL USE AND THEN ONCE THEY GET THE CONDITIONAL USE, THEY'LL COME BACK IN FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, WHATEVER THAT'S GONNA BE, THERE'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA COME BACK IN.
UM, I, I WOULD PROBABLY SAY ESPECIALLY SINCE THOSE TYPES OF BUDGET NUMBERS AND WHEN THINGS AREN'T REALLY A CONDITION OF CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL, UH, THAT IT, IT MAY BE WORTH, UH, MAKING A RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE GOING FORWARD WITH THE APPLICATION SEPTEMBER EITHER WAY.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST ASK THAT WHEN THEY DO COME BACK IN WITH WHATEVER, WHATEVER LAND DEVELOPMENT THEY COME IN WITH, UM, THAT THEY BRING THAT INFORMATION BACK IN AT THAT TIME.
THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
UM, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION.
UM, YOU MADE YOUR THOUGHTS KNOWN.
UM, SO I, I I THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO JUST MAKE A RECOMMENDATION YAY OR NAY AND, AND YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE WHERE IT WOULD BE.
SO REGARDING THE COST, NOT THE COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, JUST COST IN GENERAL.
UM, PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT I HAD WITH THE ENGINEER WAS, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS LIKE LIGHTING, ET CETERA, THEY DON'T WANNA PUT THE MONEY INTO THE DESIGN OF THEM UNTIL THEY KNOW FOR SURE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE USE.
SO THAT COULD BE ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE APPROVAL THAT YOU HAVE SHIELDING.
YOU KNOW, YOUR LIGHT IS NOT LEAVING THE SITE AND DISTURBING THE RESIDENCE IS AROUND YOU.
WELL, BUT IT IS THAT PART OF THE LANE ITSELF.
IT'S NOT PART OF THE ADDITIONAL USE.
SO, BUT THERE ARE COMMENTS TO THAT FACT IN THE LETTER THAT WOULD BE LAND DEVELOPMENT MOVING FORWARD.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ANYBODY ELSE BEFORE AUDIENCE? ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I HAD A QUESTION I TO COME UP AND M SORRY.
YOU HAVE TO RE REINTRODUCE YOURSELF.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE GENTLEMAN HERE.
YOU SAID THAT, UM, THAT'LL BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO HAVE A WALK-IN.
IS IT A WALK-IN CLINIC? I THINK YOU, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE APPOINTMENTS AND ALSO WALK-INS.
AND MY NEXT QUESTION IS, DON'T THEY HAVE I WORK IN HEALTHCARE.
THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS, AREN'T THEY, DON'T THEY HAVE INSURANCE ALREADY? MEANING THAT, YOU KNOW, OR WILL THEY BE REQUIRED TO GO SEE THAT CLINIC IF THEY WANT TO SEE A DOCTOR? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.
I MEAN, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, YOU'RE SAYING IT'S COST EFFECTIVE.
WHAT IS THE ADVANTAGE IF, IF THE TEACHER GOES HOME OR YOU KNOW, THE WORKERS GO HOME? DO THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE CLINIC TO GET SERVICE? THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO.
ARE YOU ASKING WILL THE SERVICES TAKE PLACE DURING THE WORKDAY? WORKDAY OR NIGHT OR WHATEVER? THEY'LL NOT, THEY WILL NOT.
IT WILL BE SCHEDULED AFTER WORK.
WELL I THINK IT WILL BE OPEN DURING THE, IT'LL BE OPEN.
SO LIKE IF YOU HAD, YOU KNOW, IF
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YOU HAD THE DAY OFF OR SOMETHING, YOU COULD CERTAINLY GO THERE.IT'S SIMILAR TO GOING TO YOUR OWN DOCTOR.
I WAS JUST THINKING LIKE A WALK-IN CLINIC, LIKE A PATIENT FIRST.
IT'S NOT A PATIENT FIRST, IT'S ONLY FOR THE EMPLOYEES OF THE D AND THEIR FAMILIES.
AND, BUT NO, I'M NOT GONNA MESS UP AN ANSWER.
I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW, LIKE IF I WANTED TO GO THERE, I CAN'T JUST GO THERE DURING MY WORK DAY.
I HAVE TO SCHEDULE MY APPOINTMENT FOR A TIME WHEN I'M NOT WORKING.
BUT MY WIFE COULD GO THERE DURING THE DAY.
OR TAKE THE KIDS THERE OR TAKE THE KIDS.
AND WOULD IT BE REQUIRED THAT THEY GO THERE RATHER THAN LIKE HAVE OWN THAT'S OWN'S SOMETHING? WE'LL LOOK INTO.
WE'LL LOOK, THAT'S WHAT, ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
WHOSE IDEA WAS THIS? I MEAN WHERE DID THIS COME FROM? UH, IT WASN'T YOU GUYS RIGHT, SAYING SO WHO, WHO, WHO, WHOSE IDEA IT, IT WASN'T US.
SO, SO THE CFO OF ARTS OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, JIM FINK, UM, WAS, I KNOW JIM WELL.
SO HE WAS IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CFO OF NORTH PENN, MOSTLY NORTH PENN.
THERE ARE A FEW OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
I DON'T KNOW THEM, BUT HE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM TO LOOK AT FINANCIALLY, IS THERE A BENEFIT TO DO THIS? AND THE BENEFIT HAS TO BE BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF EMPLOYEES YOU HAVE.
SPRINGFIELD, WE HAVE 8,500 STUDENTS, WE HAVE 1200 EMPLOYEES THAT APPARENT THAT FROM WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS, FELL IN LINE TO YES, IT'S ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE TO CREATE THIS CLINIC.
IF YOU WERE A SMALL SCHOOL DISTRICT AT 400 LET'S SAY, OR AND ONLY EMPLOYEE 400, UH, EMPLOYEES, IT PROBABLY WOULD NOT MAKE SENSE.
SO NORTH PENN HAS, UH, PUT THIS MODEL IN PLACE.
WE WENT OUT AS A GROUP TO VISIT THE SITE AND GO INTO THE CLINIC.
AND IT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY, REALLY NICE CLINIC.
AND I COULD SEE EVEN MYSELF UTILIZING THIS CLINIC BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THE DOCTORS THINGS ARE CHANGING WITH DOCTORS.
THEY'RE BECOMING A GROUP OF DOCTORS.
IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THE TYPICAL SINGLE DOCTOR.
SOMETIMES YOU GO TO YOUR DOCTOR, IT'S NOT THE SAME DOCTOR, HE'S NOT AVAILABLE.
SO THIS CLINIC BASICALLY IS WORKING FOR THE NORTH PENN MODEL AND WE WERE LOOKING AT ALL OF THAT TO DETERMINE WILL IT WORK FOR SPRINGFIELD? ARE CITIZENS OF THE TOWNSHIP ABLE TO GO TO NO, IT HAS TO BE AN EMPLOYEE AND OR THE IMMEDIATE FAMILY, THE TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING FOR IT, BUT IT'S ONLY BENEFICIAL TO THE SCHOOL.
TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING FOR IT ANYWAYS.
IT'S EFFECTIVELY FOR, SO YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
YOU GOTTA COME UP, DO IT THE RIGHT WAY.
RICH BAILEY, AS I HEAR IT, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE A MODEL.
IT'S THE SAME AS WHATEVER YOU CALL HIM.
THE, THE THE EMERGENCY MEDICAL THINGS THAT ARE OUT HERE OR THERE'S ONE OF 'EM ON ON URGENT, URGENT CARE.
IT'S THE SAME CONCEPT AS AN URGENT CARE, BUT THEY ONLY DEAL WITH ONE INSURANCE COMPANY, WHICH IS THE INSURANCE COMPANY THAT, THAT IS UNDER THE, THE, THE, UM, SCHOOL BOARD IS DEALING WITH.
SO THEY CUT ALL THAT RED TAPE OUT OF IT.
BUT THEY DO LIMIT THEN ON WHO CAN COME IN AND USE IT.
I MEAN IT'S NOT ANY DIFFERENT.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE SAME MODEL THAT'S BEEN USED IN, IN INDUSTRY FOR YEARS.
THE STEEL WORKERS ALL WERE, WERE UNDER THAT.
THE COAL MINERS WERE ALL UNDER THAT.
I DIDN'T FUND, I DON'T FUND THE STEEL WORKERS.
WHAT'S THAT? I I DON'T FUND THE STEEL STEELWORKERS.
BUT YOU AGAIN, THE ARGUMENT OF IT'S A DIFFERENT SITUATION.
THE ARGUMENT OF, YOU KNOW, OF IF, IF, IF IT BECOMES CHEAPER FOR THEM TO GET THE INSURANCE UNDER THAT MODEL, THEN IT'S, IT, IT'S NOT SHOW ME THOSE NUMBERS THEN THAT, THAT'S IT.
BUT I DON'T, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, BUT AGAIN, FROM LOOKING AT IT STRICTLY FROM, FROM ANOTHER STANDPOINT, I DON'T, I I HAVE A HARD TIME SEEING WHERE THAT BECOMES A CONSIDERATION.
WHETHER YOU'RE DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT THE PROPERTY IS USED.
NO, EVERYTHING THEY COME BEFORE US.
WE HAVE A RIGHT TO ASK FOR THAT INFORMATION.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE.
THAT'S SORRY THAT YOU DON'T, THAT'S ANOTHER, THAT'S ANOTHER KIND OF CONSIDERATION.
BUT AGAIN, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE IT'S THE MODEL VERY MUCH LIKE WHAT, WHAT IS OUT HERE ON THE SIDE AND THEY'RE LIMITED ON WHO THEY CAN GO TO WHERE YOU'RE FUNDING THE TEACHERS INSURANCE SOMEWHERE.
IF THEY, IF IT CAN GO FROM A HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH TO $98 A MONTH AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DIDN'T SHOW ME THAT.
WHAT'S THAT DIDN'T SHOW ME THAT.
I, THEY, THEY SAID THAT THEY WOULD, BUT I'M, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS IT GOES.
YOU REFERRED TO NORTH PENN NOW I USED TO WORK WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT SCHOOL DISTRICTS, BUT NORTH PENN WAS ALWAYS THE BIGGEST AROUND MAYBE
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SPRING FORD'S THE SAME SIZE.NOW I DON'T KNOW, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEIR POPULATION IS WITH EMPLOYEES COMPARED TO SPRINGFIELD? I DO NOT KNOW THEIR EMPLOYEE COUNT.
I DO KNOW THEIR STUDENT COUNT IS AROUND 12,000 TO 13,000.
SO YOU'RE NOT AS BIG, BUT WE'RE NOT AS BIG.
YOU'RE GETTING YEAH, WE'RE GETTING THERE.
AND THIS PROJECT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT MIGHT HAVE.
WELL WHY, BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION OF WHOSE IDEA IS, WAS WHY WOULDN'T MR. FINK BE HERE TONIGHT TALKING ABOUT THIS, GIVING US ALL THE BACKGROUND AND WHAT ALL THE RESEARCH HE'S DONE, MR. THINK IT'S ON VACATION.
WELL SOMEBODY FROM THIS, SOMEBODY DOES THIS HAVE TO GO TO THE SCHOOL BOARD.
WHAT IF WE, WHERE'S THE SCHOOL BOARD COME IN? THE SCHOOL BOARD WOULD'VE TO APPROVE ANY AGREEMENT TO PURCHASE THE MODULARS WOULD'VE TO APPROVE ANY AGREEMENT WITH A THIRD PARTY PROVIDER THAT WOULD PROVIDE THE SERVICES AT THE HEALTH CLINIC.
SO YES, THE SCHOOL BOARD CERTAINLY WOULD'VE TO APPROVE ANY FURTHER THE DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY, ALL THAT CORRECT.
SCHOOL, SCHOOL BOARD HAS TO APPROVE ALL THAT.
GOING ON UP AND IDENTIFY NINO, WOULD THIS CLINIC, UH, SERVICE THE SCHOOL CHILDREN DURING THE DAY? THE PUPILS? YOU KNOW, LIKE IF THEY GET SICK AND STUFF? NO, THAT WOULD STILL BE THE NURSE.
THIS IS FOR THE EMPLOYEE ELIGIBLE EMPLOYEES AND THEIR FAMILIES.
NO, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW FAR IT WOULD BE THE NURSE AT THEIR RESPECTIVE SCHOOL.
SO ASTUTE GETS SICK AT, UH, OAKS ELEMENTARY OVER HERE.
THEY WOULDN'T SHIP 'EM UP THERE.
I GUESS IF ONE OF THE EMPLOYEES CHILDREN, THAT COULD BE A POSSIBLE, THAT COULD BE POSSIBLE, BUT NO, THEY'RE GONNA STILL SEE THE NURSE AS THEY OKAY.
I'D JUST LIKE TO GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JERRY? UM, ZACH SAYS WE SHOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, HIS WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION FOR, UH, LAND USE, UH, APPROVE.
AND THEN, UM, AND THEN THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE LATER.
UM, SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE THAT MOTION WITH THE BILL VOTE, I'M GONNA TELL YOU BEFORE WE GO, I'M GONNA GO THERE.
I WAS GETTING THAT VIBE, UM, AS A CONDITIONAL USE, UH, APPLICATION, UH, FOR PERMITTING THIS, UH, USE ON THIS SITE.
I, I SEE NOTHING TO UH, BE OBJECT, UH, THAT YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS.
SO I MAKE A MOTION THAT MOVE FORWARD.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR JERRY TO MOVE FORWARD.
DO HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION YET TO VOTE ON THIS IF IT'S NOT THE WAY THE SCHOOL BOARD, SO I VOTE.
[DISCUSSION: FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]
ALRIGHT, JEFF, WHAT ELSE? UH, NEXT CLIENT COMMISSION MEETING NOW HAS HREG COLLEGEVILLE ON IT.UH, AUGUST 19TH PLUS SPOTLESS CAR WASH, PROVIDENCE SELF STORAGE AND MITE ROAD NINE LOTS SUBDIVISION.
SEPTEMBER 2ND ONE, CLEAR TOWNHOUSES.
AND I TALKED TO FOX LANE TODAY ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING.
LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE SOME GOOD IDEAS.
YOU GUYS GAVE THEM SOME REALLY CONSTRUCTIVE STUFF.
SO THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK AND, UM, MAKE SOME CHANGES AND COME BACK TO YOU.
WHICH ONE IS THAT? YOU WEREN'T HERE.
WHICH ONE WAS THAT? THAT'S WHY FOX LANE.
OH, UM, I KNOW THAT MR. FLO'S GOING TO BE OUT OF, OF POCKET ON THE 17TH.
WELL, WE NEED AT LEAST THREE OF YOU BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A FIFTH RIGHT NOW.
LONG, LONG REMEMBER, ARE NEVER GONNA FORGET THAT.
WELL, I, I JUST NEED YOU TO, TO LET ME KNOW SOONER RATHER THAN LATER IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE THERE FOR THE 17TH.
'CAUSE WE'VE GOT A LOT ON THAT AGENDA AND A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKED TO BE PUT ON THAT AGENDA.
NOW SOME OF THEM MIGHT JUMP TO THE FIFTH BECAUSE MY PLAN WAS NOT TO HAVE THAT MEETING SINCE I'M ON VACATION.
BUT I WILL BE BACK FOR IT AT THIS POINT.
AND, UM, SO, SO THE FIFTH, YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FIFTH NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 19TH.
WELL, THE 19TH HAS CERTAIN I'VE BEEN PUSHING TO THE 19TH SO THAT I COULD PRESERVE MY TWO WEEKS OF VACATION.
OH, IF THAT GOT SHOT OUT OF THE WATER TODAY.
UM, SO SOME OF THE 19TH MIGHT THE 26TH, THE 19TH BE THEY WOULD, THEY CAN'T, THEY WANT GO TO THE SUPERVISORS? THEY HAVE TO BE ON, THEY HAVE TO BE ON THE SUPERVISOR SCHEDULE.
SO THIS WAS THE, THE ONE MEETING I COULD GET THEM ON BEFORE THE SUPERVISORS.
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SO WHAT HAPPENED TO THE EL CAR WASH? THAT THERE'S, UH, THAT'S NOT GOING BEFORE THE, WE STILL HAS TO GO TO THE BOARD.OH, BUT THE IT'S ON HOLD, IS IT? NO, THAT'S WHAT I READ HERE.
THE BOARD NEEDS TO EVALUATE WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE, IT IS, I GUESS THE TENTATIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT IS ON HOLD UNTIL THEY CAN DETERMINE IF THE BOARD IS GOING TO WAIVE THE CAR WASH RESTRICTION IN THE DEED RESTRICTION, WHICH WE RECOMMENDED THEY, WHICH YOU RECOMMENDED THEY DO.
AND THAT WILL BE ON THE AGENDA, THE BOARD AGENDA ON THE 17TH.
SO ASSUME ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT THEY GET THAT WAIVED PENDING FINAL LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL, THAT'S HOW THAT LANGUAGE WOULD WORK OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
WE WOULD PUT THEM THE TENTATIVE SKETCH IN THE QUEUE AND THEY WOULD START REVIEWING THAT.
'CAUSE AS YOU SAW AT THE, AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THEY BROUGHT TWO OR THREE OTHER CHANGES TO IT.
SO I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHICH PLAN THEY'RE LOOKING AT AT THIS POINT.
THE RESTAURANT'S CLOSED, IF YOU NOTICED.
NO, THEY'RE CLOSED BY OTHER DAY IT WAS OPEN.
WELL, MAYBE THE OTHER DAY WERE, BUT THEY'RE CLOSED NOW.
SO THEY, THEY'VE ALREADY MADE THAT DECISION OR MADE THAT THEY COULD'VE CLOSED THE END OF AUGUST IS WHAT THEY PRESENTED THE NEXT MEETING.
I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.