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[CALL TO ORDER / MOTION TO APPROVE JUNE 17, 2026 AGENDA]
GONNA CALL AN ORDER THE JUNE 17TH MEETING FOR THE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION.AND WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE AGENDA AND HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY HAS THEIR COPIES IN THE BACK IF YOU DON'T.
UM, SO THE FIRST THING WE'RE GONNA DO IS CALL ORDER, WHICH WE JUST DID, AND THEN WE'LL TO TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING.
LOOKS LIKE WE ONLY HAVE ONE APPLICANT.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR THE JUNE 17TH, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
UH, TOM, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.
OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS. SO THAT WOULD BE ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ON THIS AGENDA.
IF ANYBODY HAS ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS, IT'S TIME TO STEP UP, NOT HEARING ANY, WE'LL MOVE ON.
[GENERAL DISCUSSION ITEMS]
WE HAVE A, UH, SUBMISSION, UH, ACKNOWLEDGEMENT, UH, CLUB STUDIO WAIVER REQUEST.APPARENTLY THAT'S FOR SOME PAINTING OR SOMETHING.
UH, SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO, UH, TO, UH, ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE THE SUBMISSION.
UH, TOM, I'LL MOTION THAT, UH, WE ACCEPT THAT SUBMISSION, UH, AS IT WAS, AS IT STANDS.
THERE'S ACTUALLY ANOTHER THAT I, I JUST RECEIVED TODAY.
UM, SO IT DIDN'T MAKE THE AGENDA, BUT I DID CHANGE THE POWERPOINT.
IT'S FOR 1 0 6 BLACKROCK ROAD, WHERE THE PIZZERIA UNO IS.
THAT WILL BE CLOSING IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
AND THE GENTLEMAN THAT OWNS IT IS LOOKING TO, UM, PUT SOMETHING NEW THERE, A NEW RESTROOM? UH, NO, HE IS LOOKING.
PUT A CAR WASH THERE RIGHT NOW.
HEY, WE GOT A LOT OF CAR WASH ATTACHED, SO PLEASE SUPPORT THE CAR WASHES.
HEY, SO, BUT THE QUESTION IS WHEN THERE WAS, AT SOME POINT THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TOWNSHIP AND THAT, AND THE FIRST PROPERTY OWNER THAT BUILT PIZZERIA UNA, THAT BEAT LUO.
UM, AND IT LIMITS WHAT HE, WHAT CAN BE BUILT ON THAT PROPERTY.
SO HE HAS A DEED RESTRICTION THAT SPECIFICALLY DOESN'T ALLOW CAR WASHES FAST.
SPECIFICALLY MENTIONS CAR WASHES, SPECIFICALLY MENTION MENTIONS CAR WASHES.
SO HE WOULD LIKE TO, UM, REALLY IT IS, IT'S CAR WASHES, CONVENIENCE STORES.
HE'LL EXPLAIN IT BETTER WHEN HE'S HERE ON THE FIRST.
BUT, UM, HE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT REMOVING THAT DEED RESTRICTION.
IT'S OBVIOUSLY A BOARD DECISION 'CAUSE THE BOARD SIGNED THE DOCUMENT, BUT WE'RE LOOKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION FROM YOU IN JULY.
BUT THAT'S ANOTHER PLAN THAT WE HAVE.
IS IT, IS IT A, DO YOU KNOW THE COMPANY, IS IT ITS OWN, IS IT OWN COMPANY OR IS IT ONE OF THESE NATIONAL GUYS THAT ARE MOVING? IT IS NATIONAL.
I, I DON'T RECOGNIZE HIS NAME.
IT'S NOT SPOTLESS SIDE, I'LL SAY THAT.
IT'S SPOTLESS IS THE ONE THAT'S UP ON BRIDGE PIPE, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S THE OTHER ONE THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY QUEUED UP.
AND IT'S NOT SPLASH OR WHAT, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
I DON'T, I CAN'T KEEP TRACK OF.
ALL I KNOW IS THAT THEY WILL BE HERE THAT DAY AS WELL AS, AS THE PROPERTY OWNER TO EXPLAIN WHY THEY NEED THE DEED RESTRICTION.
WHY, WHY, WHY ARE THESE CONTRACT AND THEN THEY WOULD GO TO AT THAT, IT'S A TENTATIVE LANDED ON AN APPLICATION, BUT RIGHT.
WE WANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE DEED RESTRICTION FIRST.
SO, SO WE WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT ON THE DEED RESTRICTION.
ON THE DEED RESTRICTION TO THE BOARD.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE ON JULY 3RD OR SECOND OR WHATEVER.
SO WE, WE DO HAVE APPLICANTS COMING THAT NIGHT.
BECAUSE REMEMBER WE WERE TAUGHT YEAH, WE'LL GET TO THAT.
[APPLICATIONS TO BE HEARD ON JUNE 17, 2026]
APPLICANTS WILL BE HEARD TONIGHT.LOOKS LIKE IT'S SPRING FORD WALK TOWNHOUSES.
AND WHO'S HERE TO REPRESENT THOSE FOLKS? PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND TELL US WHAT COMPANY AND ALL THAT STUFF.
MY NAME IS EDWARD
MY NAME IS EDWARD NEAL, ENGINEERING ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT XJ 22.
UH, HERE TO DISCUSS FRANKFORD WALK TOWNHOUSES PREVIOUSLY FORD'S EDGE PHASE TWO, WHERE WE ARE PROPOSING 26 TOWN HOMES ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE EXISTING FORAGE EDGE PARCEL OUT THERE WITH TWO INTERNAL DRIVES TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO BE, UH, SERVICE BY PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER.
AND HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, WE'RE HERE TO, UH, SEEK YOUR, UH, CONDITIONAL APPROVAL OF TENTATIVE PLAN RECOMMENDATION.
SO JUST TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT, UH, HOW MANY DID YOU SAY AGAIN? UH, THERE'S 26 TOWNHOUSES AND THE PARCEL ITSELF IS ROUGHLY EIGHT ACRES.
WE RECEIVED A VARIANCE FROM THE ZONING HEARING BOARD DUE ALLOW DENSITY OF 7.2, UH, DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
WITH THIS PROPOSED, UH, LAYOUT,
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WE ARE LESS THAN THAT.SO WE ARE MEETING WHAT WAS GIVEN TO US ABOUT THE ZONING HEARING BOARD.
UM, THE UNITS ARE ROUGHLY, UH, SORRY, YOU GET A GARAGE AND TWO STORIES, JUST YOUR STANDARD TOWN HOMES.
IT'S, UH, THIS IS, UH, COMING OFF OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FORDS EDGE PHASE TWO BACK WAY BACK IN THE DAY WHERE IT WAS SIMILAR SOUTH TO THE SOUTHERN PARCEL.
THIS IS JUST MORE CURRENT IN WHAT THE MARKET IS.
THE LOOK IS GONNA BE MORE CURRENT.
UM, WE'RE IN RECEIPT OF GILMORE'S, UH, LETTER FROM JUNE 15TH.
WE PLAN ON COMPLYING WITH EVERYTHING.
WE JUST, UH, WOULD BE OPEN TO DISCUSSING SOME OF THE WAIVER REQUESTS REGARDING, UH, OUR LAYOUT.
WELL, WE DON'T GET THE WAIVER REQUEST UNTIL PRELIMINARY PLAN.
YOU HAVE 115 COMMENTS ON HERE.
YOU'RE COMPLYING WITH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF 'EM.
DECEMBER, THE DECEMBER, UH, DECEMBER 29TH LETTER ASSOCIATED.
UH, JUNE, JUNE 15TH ISN'T NOW THE SIX.
SO 60, THERE ARE 65 FOR THE JUNE 15TH.
THERE ARE 65 OPEN ISSUES STILL PENDING.
AND THERE'S STILL THREE ISSUES FROM MONTGOMERY COUNTY THAT ARE STILL NOT YET RESOLVED.
BUT AT THIS POINT, YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO RESOLVE ALL THESE BY AGREEING TO WHATEVER.
A LOT OF THE, SOME OF THESE COMMENTS WITH WHAT WE PROVIDED, WE WOULDN'T EVEN ADDRESS ANYWHERE NEAR TENTATIVE CLAIM.
UH, SPECIFICALLY, I, I GUESS MY, MY CONCERN IS THIS HAS BEEN TWO YEARS IN THE MAKING AND, UM, SINCE DECEMBER OF, UH, 2024 ZONING APPLICATIONS APPROVED.
UM, AND WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE COMMENTS FROM GIL MOORE AND MORE, YOU KNOW, RECENT THINGS THAT ARE YET STILL TO BE RESOLVED.
I I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WANT, WE THINK THAT THE 65 STILL OPEN ITEM ISSUES AFTER TWO YEARS OF GESTATION, THAT WE ARE SO MUCH CLOSER TO A PRELIMINARY PLAN.
UM, AND I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT THERE'S STILL TOO MANY OPEN ISSUES.
UM, I I WOULD'VE HOPED THAT YOU WOULD'VE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH GILMORE AND WITH MR. GRACE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, THAT WE'D BE DOWN FAR LESS THAN 65 ITEMS AND, WHICH IS MY, MY GUESS.
SO I, I, WELL, HERE'S PART OF THE PROBLEM IS YOU PUT A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE TO REVIEW BECAUSE WE CAN'T JUST SAY, WE'LL GET TO THAT THE NEXT, AT THE NEXT STAGE, YOU PUT SOMETHING ON THE PLAN, WE HAVE TO REVIEW IT, EVEN IF IT'S NOT ATTENDANCE SKETCH FLOW.
SO THEN WHEN IT'S ON THE PLAN AND COMMENT ABOUT IT, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CLEAN IT UP SO THAT WE'RE APPROVING THE RIGHT THINGS.
AND THIS IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN JANUARY THAT WE WENT THROUGH IN MAY THAT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO RESUBMIT PLANS FOR US TO BE LOOKING AT.
WE GOT ONE RESUBMISSION FROM YOU AND THAT WAS IT.
AND SPEAKING TO, WITH JEN, WE HAD A CONVERSATION IN APRIL, RIGHT.
WE WENT THROUGH A LOT OF THE LETTER.
SOME OF IT, WE WERE JUST TRYING TO HOPE TO COME HERE.
TENANT PLAN APPROVAL WOULD GET OUR LAYOUT LOCKED IN.
WELL, YOUR LAYOUT'S LOCKED IN BECAUSE OF THE ZONING HEARING BOARD.
WELL, THERE'S, RIGHT, I MEAN, THERE'S STILL, THERE'S STILL FOUR ITEMS THAT HAVE TO GO UP SOON BEFORE THE ZONING HEARING BOARD FOR ZONING ISSUES, BASED ON WHAT I'VE READ, THEY STILL HAVE TO BE RESOLVED.
DO YOU, DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT OR DO YOU, ARE YOU THINKING ALL YOUR ZONING ISSUES ARE COVERED? IN SPEAKING WITH JEN, OUR ZONING ISSUES ARE MORE JUST CLARIFICATION.
WE HAD TWO, UH, ZONING TABLES THAT DIDN'T, WE HAD ONE ON THE COVER SHEET AND THEN ONE ON THE TITLE PLAN SHEET.
ONE WAS UPDATED PER HER FIRST REVIEW LETTER WHERE WE CLEANED EVERYTHING UP.
WELL, I THOUGHT JUST TO GO BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD TO RESOLVE THOSE ISSUES.
THEY JUST HAVE THE SAME CHART AS DUPLICATED, BUT IT DOESN'T MATCH.
SO THERE'S INCONSISTENCIES BETWEEN TWO.
ONE OF THEM THEY CLEANED UP AND IT'S CORRECT AND, AND THEY SATISFY EVERYTHING.
AND ONE OF THEM IS INCONSISTENT.
UM, ZONING ITEM ONE REFERENCES THE TABLE AND IT REFERENCES THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE A WAIVER REQUEST, BUT IT WASN'T IN THE WAIVER REQUEST LETTER.
BUT AGAIN, THE WAIVERS, AS JEFF SAID, WOULD BE DISCUSSED AT PRELIMINARY RIGHT PLAN APPROVAL NOT FOR TODAY.
UM, AS JEFF SAID, THERE WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION SUBMITTED FOR THIS.
UM, TECHNICALLY IN THE SUBDIVISION AND LAND DEVELOPMENT SECTION, ONLY COMMENT FIVE APPLIES UNDER THE TENTATIVE SKETCH SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE.
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EVERYTHING ELSE IS PRELIMINARY PLAN.UM, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY TO THAT POINT, I APPRECIATE YOU CLARIFYING THAT, JEN.
UM, MANY OF THESE THINGS ARE SORT OF ENGINEERING RELATED AND WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE LATER, BUT TWO OF THEM FOR ME AFFECT THE PLAN ITSELF.
AND TO YOUR POINT, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEKING SORT OF GUIDANCE ON RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT'S NUMBER 12 AND NUMBER 19.
NUMBER 12 TALKS ABOUT DEAD END STREETS NOT BEING PERMITTED.
AND OF COURSE YOU HAVE ONE, UH, AND YOU'VE, YOU'VE RESOLVED IT BY PROPOSING THIS ACCESS LANE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, UH, UH, YOU APPARENTLY HAVE TO REQUEST A WAIVER FOR THAT.
UM, THE SECOND THING IS THE 19 IS THE PERPENDICULAR PARKING, WHICH IS NOT PERMITTED.
UH, AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE TWO ITEMS JUST IN THEMSELVES AFFECT THE LAYOUT AND AFFECT THE PLAN.
AND WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE GONNA COMPLY, I MEAN THAT PUTS A LOT ON FAITH FOR US TO TAKE THAT, THAT THIS PLAN IS GONNA GONNA GET CHANGED TO, YOU KNOW, SATISFY THIS TO ITEMS. WELL, I WAS GONNA ASK YOU, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A LOT OF PARKING TO YOUR POINT, UH, JERRY IN THIS PLANE, THIS, THIS, UH, SCHEDULE.
I SEE SIX OR SEVEN, SEVEN OR EIGHT SPACES UP THE TOP OF IT.
UH, AND, AND THEN THERE'S OTHER ONES ABOUT THE WIDTH OF THE STREETS.
AND SO YOU'RE ASKING, YOU'RE GONNA ASK FOR ALL THESE WAIVERS.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE IT WORK SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU LOOKED AT THAT, BUT THAT'S THE KIND OF THING I THINK SHOULD APPLY AT A TENTATIVE LEVEL IS GET THESE, THESE BIG ISSUES RESOLVED BEFORE WE GET INTO THE MINUTIA OF, YOU KNOW, THE ZONING TABLE AND SOME OF THAT OTHER STUFF.
WELL, AND I THINK THAT WHEN WE SPOKE THAT WAS KIND OF WHY THEY WANTED TO COME, COME TODAY, IS TO TALK SOME OF THESE ISSUES OUT.
THERE'S OTHER COMMENTS IN THE LETTER WHICH ARE VERY TECHNICAL RATING SPOT, AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO SPEND THE TIME WITH THE MONEY AT THIS POINT.
I SAID, NO, YOU NEED TO COME HAVE A CONVERSATION, GET FEEDBACK, FIGURE OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE ANY PLAN CHANGES THAT ARE GOING TO HAPPEN.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHY I THINK 1219 ARE THE TWO.
SO, SO LET'S TAKE NUMBER 12 FOR INSTANCE, WHERE YOU HAVE THE DEAD END ROAD AND YOU HAVE THIS A ACCESS ROAD WITH FOR FIRE.
UM, IS THAT, DOES THAT SOMETHING THE ZONING BOARD HAS TO APPROVE? NO, THAT WOULD BE A WAIVER TO ALLOW THE, WOULD THAT BE ONE OF THE WAIVERS YOU'RE LOOKING FOR FROM US? CORRECT.
IT WOULD BE TO ALLOW, WHICH YOU'VE ALLOWED IN OTHER SECTIONS IN THE TOWNSHIP WOULD BE THAT HAMMERHEAD TURNAROUND.
DO WE HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE FIRE MARSHAL? YES.
AND WE SHOULD, UH, PROVIDE A TRUCK TURNING FOR THAT AND THE FIRE MARSHAL.
THE ACCESS THERE FOR THAT, THAT WOULD, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO GET THAT APPROVAL.
I MEAN, I, I I WELL, WHAT APPROVAL YOU JUST SAID FIRE PEOPLE DID YEAH.
IF FIRE GUY APPROVED, THAT IS SUFFICIENT FOR HIS, YES, IT'S SUFFICIENT FOR HIS APPARATUS, BUT THEY STILL NEED TO WAIVER TO ALLOW US TO YES.
BUT I, I GUESS, I GUESS I'M ANTICIPATING ACCEPTING A PLAN THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE WAIVER.
WELL, MAYBE WHAT'S THROWING US OFF IS THERE'S JUST A LOT OF DATA HERE.
A LOT OF IT DOESN'T REALLY APPLY TO US.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S PROBABLY SCARING US HERE.
IT'S JUST SO MUCH TO LOOK AT AND THINK ABOUT.
WELL, YOU SAID YOU HAVE 65 OR WHATEVER, SO 65 AND THAT, AND THAT'S JUST NOT WHAT WE NORMALLY SEE.
I MEAN, THERE ARE SO MANY STILL OUTSTANDING ISSUES.
AND WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT MONTGOMERY COUNTY ISSUES RELATIVE TO PROVIDING SIDEWALKS AROUND THE CUL-DE-SAC.
UH, TALKED ABOUT SIDEWALK, THEY MENTIONED SIDEWALK EXCUSE.
YOU SAID SIDEWALKS ARE PROVIDED AROUND THE CUL-DE-SAC.
PARDON ME? THE SIDEWALK HAS BEEN PROVIDED AROUND THE CUL-DE-SAC.
NOT ON THE PICTURES YOU SHOWED.
THERE'S NO, NO SIDEWALK AROUND.
THE CUL-DE-SAC STOPS RIGHT AT THE END OF THE UNIT 16 AND STARTS AGAIN AT 15 BASED ON THIS PLAN.
THIS IS THE, IF, IF YOU PROVIDED DIFFERENT PLANS TO JEN, YOU DIDN'T PROVIDE THEM TO ME, SO I DON'T HAVE THEM.
YOU SHOULD BOTH HAVE HAD THE APRIL 1ST, BUT, UM, APRIL 1ST, PLAINTIFF, THE ONLY PLANS I HAVE FROM YOU ARE FROM 10 25.
DID YOU SAY THAT'S THE DATE ON THEM? OH, THIS, THIS IS THE INITIAL SUBMISSION THAT HAD THE 115 COMMENTS THAT HE SPOKE OF.
SO WE'RE NOT IN 65, BUT IT IS STILL NOT NECESSARILY THE RIGHT ONE BECAUSE AS JOE'S POINTING OUT HERE, UM, AND THE LAST REVIEW I HAVE FROM THE FIRE MARSHAL ISN'T BASED ON YOUR APRIL 1ST PLAN.
IT'S BASED ON THE DECEMBER OR THE, THE OTHER PLAN.
LOOK, I I, I MEAN, I REALIZE WE'RE COMING AT YOU, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION
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HERE THAT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED TO YOU ABOUT AND ALREADY TRIED TO WORK THROUGH.AND WHEN I WENT TO PUT THE PACKET TOGETHER, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY OF IT.
AND IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE YOU'VE REALLY UPDATED THE PLANS MUCH BASED ON THE, THE AMOUNT OF DRAFT COMMENTS JEN HAD IN HER LAST LETTER THAT SHE PROVIDED TO YOU.
I THINK THE LAST TIME WE TALKED, I WANTED IT DOWN TO A MANAGEABLE NUMBER OF COMMENTS AND, AND IT DIDN'T SEEM TO GET THERE.
IT'S UP TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHETHER OR NOT THEY STILL WANNA MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION.
BUT AS I'VE EXPLAINED, HAVING 65 COMMENTS AND 10, 10, 12 PAGES ON A LETTER IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE WAY TO COME IN FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND I EXPLAINED IT TO YOU TOO, KEVIN.
YOU KNOW, I, I REALIZE WHERE WE'RE AT WITH IT WHEN WE TALKED IN MAY ABOUT GETTING IT ON THERE, GETTING YOU ON THIS AGENDA, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE SAYING IT'S GONNA GET CLEANED UP, IT'S GONNA GET CLEANED UP.
I DON'T HAVE TIME TO BABYSIT EVERY PROJECT.
SO WHEN I WENT TO PUT THE PACKET TOGETHER AND IT WASN'T CLEANED UP, IT'S A LITTLE DISCONCERTING.
AND THERE, THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES AGAIN, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING ON WITH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD TALK ABOUT THE PUTTING SOME KIND OF AMENITIES BETWEEN THE TWO COMPLEXES, THE NEW ONE AND THE OLD ONE.
UM, YOU KNOW, DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.
THERE'S STORM WATER ISSUES THAT THE COUNTY RAISED.
UH, I'M SURE JED IS, IS SOMEWHAT IN TALKING WITH THOSE AS WELL.
I'M CONCERNED THAT, THAT, THAT, GIVEN AGAIN, THAT WE'RE, THIS IS LIKE, LIKE OVER TWO YEARS IN THE GESTATION PERIOD THAT WE'RE STILL AT A STAGE WHERE WE'VE GOT THESE 65 OPEN ITEMS AND YOU KNOW, JEN'S SAID, YOU KNOW, AND YOU SAID, YEAH, WE'LL COMPLY, WE'LL COMPLY.
I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE THAT WE'RE AT A STAGE THAT, THAT THIS IS A, A WELL, A DETAILED ENOUGH PLAN RIGHT.
THAT WE SHOULD SAY, YEAH, WE WANT TO GO FORWARD.
I THINK WE, THAT'S WHERE I AM.
YOU GET, YOU GET, YOU GET THAT.
I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, BUT, SO LET'S JUST ASK SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PLAY IN GENERAL, FORGETTING ALL THAT OTHER STUFF.
JUST ASSUME THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GIVING YOU GOOD ADVICE.
JEFF GAVE YOU SOME
BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, WHAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE OLD AND NEW? ARE THEY ANY KIND OF RELATIONSHIP AT ALL BETWEEN THE OLD PART OF THE BUILDING, THE OLD PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE
I'M THE DEVELOPER FOR THE PROJECT.
THERE'S GOING TO BE THIS, THIS WAS 60 UNITS APPROVED BACK IN THE SEVENTIES RIGHT.
AND THE SECOND PART, JEFF WAS HERE, THEN JEFF WAS HERE.
I WASN'T
IT NEVER, HE NEVER MADE IT THROUGH TO TOWNSHIP TO BUILD THE SECOND HALF.
WE GOT THE APPROVAL FOR THE 26 UNITS WITH THROUGH ZONING.
AND, UM, THE WAY TO DO IT IS, UM, THEY WANT DO A MASTER BE, THEY'RE GONNA DO A MASTER HOA AND FOUR Z IS GONNA BE ONE AND SPRING FOUR WALL'S GONNA BE A SUB.
FOR EDGE HAVE A MASTER, HOA, THEY'LL SIT AND OPERATE THEIR OWN DELINEATED SPACE OR COMMON AREA SPOON FOR WALK WILL OPERATE THEIR OWN.
SO ALSO ALL THE, RIGHT NOW, THE, THE 26 UNITS THAT ARE THERE, OR 30, 34 UNITS THAT ARE THERE ARE, ARE BASICALLY MANAGING AND TAKING CARE OF THE ENTIRE PARCEL.
AND THEIR, THEIR MAINTENANCE COSTS ARE VERY HIGH, YOU KNOW, PLUS THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CABINET CUT THE GRASS AND DO ALL THAT STUFF.
SO IT'S GONNA BE SEPARATED, BUT IT'S GONNA BE A MASTER, UM, CONTROL CONTROLLING IT.
TWO, I THINK, UH, ANDREW L FOR THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY, UM, IS AWARE OF IT.
AND IT BASICALLY, IT'S COMMON THING.
YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T WANT TO COMBINE THE TWO AND HAVE AN OLD OLDER DEVELOPMENT BE TAKEN CARE OF.
NO ONE AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.
SO, BUT I WANT ADDRESS SOMETHING ON THE PLAN.
I KNOW THAT THIS IS, THIS IS MUCH MORE OF A DETAILED PLAN WE PUT THROUGH.
WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT MUCH MORE.
WE WANTED TO PUT AS DETAILED AS WE POSSIBLY COULD TO TRY TO CUT THE TIMEFRAME DOWN.
OBVIOUSLY IS THIS HAS NOT WORKED OUT.
WE, I WENT, I WENT THROUGH EVERY ONE OF THESE COMMENTS WITH THE DL HOW TEAM, AND THE MAJORITY OF 'EM ARE PLAN EDITS, EDITS AND COMMENTS ON THE PLAN.
THERE'S A HANDFUL OF THINGS THAT NEED WAIVERS TO GO TO THE SUPERVISORS.
WELL, WE RECOMMEND THAT WE TAKE, WE WOULD RECOMMEND IT TO THE SUPERVISORS THAT IT'S APPROVED OR, OR NOT.
THEY, THEY HAVE THE FINAL SETTING.
THIS IS A LOT MORE THAN WHAT YOU GUYS USUALLY LOOK, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE RIGHT.
AND SO IT'S OVERWHELMING TO SEE ALL THIS, ALL THIS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE DISCUSSION WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT ALL I THINK INDIGENOUS OILS WERE TALKED TO WITH, WITH, WITH THE ED ENGINEER AND JEN.
AND THESE THINGS WERE NOT, WERE NOT ANYTHING, UH, UNREASONABLE AND COULD AND WILL BE COMPLIED WITH EXCEPT FOR THIS COUPLE OF WAIVERS THAT WE NEED TO GET, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM THE SUPERVISORS RIGHT.
SO I, I APOLOGIZE AND DON'T WANT THIS TO THING TO BE LOOK LIKE IT'S A HALF BAKED AND PUT IN FRONT OF YOU.
LIKE IT'S, IT IS A, IT'S A, IT'S A SCIENCE PROJECT.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT PRETTY SIMPLE FROM A PLANNING COMMISSION STANDPOINT, BUT OBVIOUSLY THIS LETTER HERE DOES NOT.
WELL, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS MISSING.
WE ALREADY IDENTIFIED THAT THE
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FIRE CHIEF, IF YOU'RE SAYING HE'S APPROVED THAT, THAT ROAD, THAT TEMPORARY ROAD OR THAT ACCESS ROAD, WE DON'T HAVE A LETTER TO THAT.RIGHT, JEFF? AND, AND HE WOULDN'T GET, WE WOULDN'T GET A LETTER YET.
IT'S, IT'S THE, IT WAS FROM THE FIRST PACKET.
IT'S NOT FROM, NOT FROM THE SECOND ONE.
IT'S NOT APPROVAL THAT SPECIFIC ITEM.
IT'S JUST, IT'S, WE, WE GOT THE DETAILS FROM HIM.
THE FIRE MARSHAL PROVIDED THE DETAILS FOR THE PLAN, YOU KNOW, TO GO UP TO ACTUALLY INSERT, YOU KNOW, A FORMAL LETTER.
I'M NOT SURE WHEN, WHEN THE FORMAL LETTER IS GONNA BE ACHIEVED, UH, OR BE OBTAINED FROM HIM.
YOU KNOW, I'M ASSUMING DEFINITELY PRIOR, BEFORE, PRIOR THE, UH, TO OUR FIRST, UH, UM, APPEARS IN FRONT OF THE SUPERVISORS.
WE'RE GONNA NEED TO SEE A LETTER FROM HIM SAYING THAT HE'S OKAY WITH THAT EXCESS ROAD.
THAT HE PROVES THAT, THAT THAT GIVES HIM, YOU KNOW, MOVING HIS EQUIPMENT AROUND AND DOING ALL THAT STUFF.
I MEAN, THAT'S NORMALLY WHAT WE GET IN THESE KIND OF PROGRAMS. THE FIRE MARSHAL JUST SAYS, YES, THIS IS WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO.
AND THEN THEY SAY, WE'LL COMPLY.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO, UM, WHAT ABOUT PARKING? WHAT ABOUT PARKING? I DON'T SEE ANY PARKING FREIGHT.
WHERE ARE PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO PARK FOR IF THEY HAVE THAT PARTY OF GUESTS OR, OR, YOU KNOW, THE BROTHER-IN-LAW COMES OVER WHO, WHERE THEY PARKED.
EACH HOUSE HAS TWO, UH, PARKING SPACES IN FRONT OF THEIR DRIVEWAY.
AND THAT'S WHY WE PROVIDED THE ADDITIONAL, UM, THE ADDITIONAL 11 SPOTS THERE.
IS THAT 11? IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? IT'S NINE AND TWO.
AND IN SPEAKING WITH JEN, SHE COULD, SHE'S GOING TO OPPOSE A WAIVER AS LONG AS WE REMOVED, I BELIEVE IT WAS ONE FROM THE CLEARSIGHT TRIANGLE, RIGHT? YEAH.
YOU HAVE THE CLEARSIGHT TRIANGLE.
UM, LOOKS LIKE IT'S IMPACTING BOTH SIDES.
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION COMMENTS IN THE LETTER.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA ADDRESS ANY OF THOSE, UM, DIRECTLY WITH BRIAN, UM, TO REVIEW THOSE MAKE MODIFICATIONS.
UH, THEY RECOMMENDED, UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU GO THROUGH, GO THROUGH JEN'S LETTER, I MEAN WE'VE GOT, UH, THOSE FOUR, UH, ZONING ISSUES.
UH, WE'VE GOT STORM WATER MANAGEMENT EIGHT ISSUES, SANITARY SEWER, THREE ITEMS, LANDSCAPING LAING SEVEN, TRANSPORTATION 18, AND THEIR PURPOSE AND APPROVALS, WHICH ARE FIVE.
BUT I ASSUME THAT'S MORE FORMALITY THAN, THAN RESTRICTED.
THAT'S WHAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE'VE GOT 1665 ISSUES HERE STILL OPEN THAT, THAT I THINK ARE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CRITICAL TO MAKE THIS EVEN A TENTATIVE PLAN YET CONSIDERING THAT WE'VE BEEN LIKE TWO YEARS, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I UNDERSTAND THAT OUR FIRST SUBMISSION THEN I WOULD'VE HOPED THAT WE WOULD'VE BEEN ABLE TO RESOLVE MANY OF THOSE KINDS OF MORE CRITICAL ISSUES.
OUR FIRST SUBMISSION WAS IN OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR.
SO WHILE THE ZONING HEARING BOARD WAS TWO YEARS AGO, THAT WAS OUR FIRST SUBMISSION.
AND I SAID TWO YEARS RIGHT NOW.
BUT OUR FIRST TWO YEARS WE WOULD'VE GOTTEN MUCH FURTHER THAN WE ARE TODAY AT A, A TENTATIVE PLAYING STAGE.
AND, AND I UNDERSTAND, AND APPARENTLY, YOU KNOW, AS MR. GRACE COMMENTED, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TOWNSHIP IS LACKING MORE DEFINITIVE, DETAILED PLANS EVEN UP TO THIS STAGE AT THE TEMPORARY STAGE THAN WHAT WE SEE TONIGHT.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND YOU SAY SOMETHING, MR. PETER, I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE PROVIDED A MUCH MORE, LIKE A MUCH MORE DETAILED ENGINEERED PLAN THAN YOU'RE USED TO.
WE WOULD, WE COULD HAVE GIVEN YOU A MUCH SCALED BACK PLAN FOR A TENTATIVE APPROVAL AND, AND THAT WOULD'VE BEEN OKAY.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD ACCEPT AT TENTATIVE.
THE ISSUE IS WHEN YOU PUT THINGS ON THE PLAN THAT ARE INCORRECT, WE HAVE TO MONITOR AND FOLLOW THOSE THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS.
WHETHER IT'S A TENTATIVE OR NOT.
IT'S LIKE SAYING, WELL, WE'RE GONNA PUT THEM ON THERE AND WE'LL FIX THEM AT THE NEXT STAGE.
NO, YOU, THEY'RE INCORRECT ON THIS STAGE.
OUR, OUR JOB HERE IS NOT TO PLAY QUALITY CONTROL FOR YOUR PLANS.
AND, AND, AND IT'S FRUSTRATING BECAUSE WITH ALL OF THESE COMMENTS ON THERE, WE HAVE, JEN NOW HAS TO SPEND TIME AT THE NEXT PLAN OF TRACKING ALL OF THESE COMMENTS PLUS EVERYTHING THAT'S IN A PRELIMINARY PLAN STAGE.
A LOT OF THESE THINGS, A LOT OF THESE THINGS ARE ALREADY DONE.
RIGHT? IF YOU SAY THEY'RE DONE DIRECTION, DIRECTION, WE WERE HEADING, I, IT MIGHT BE MADE, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE HOUSE RIGHT.
WE'RE HEADING THROUGH, THROUGH, THROUGH CONVERSATIONS WITH JEN, JEN AND ED.
BUT, BUT WHAT THE CONVERSATION SH IS, IS MUDDLED BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY OTHER THINGS IN THIS SECTION, IN THIS, IN THESE LETTERS THAT YOU CAN'T SEE THE FOREST THROUGH THE TREES.
YOU REALLY CAN'T BECAUSE I CAN'T GIVE ANY ADVICE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR TO THE BOARD WHEN WE GET THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT THIS AND GO, WELL, OKAY, NOW, YOU KNOW, COMMENT 21, COMMENT 14.
WELL, PRIOR TO US GOING THROUGH, SO THOSE THINGS THAT CAN BE CLEANED UP ON THE PLANS AND THIS BACK IN JANUARY WITH WE, WE ASSUME PRIORITY GOING THE BOARD,
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WE'RE RESUBMITTING IT IN ANOTHER CLEAN LETTER GOING TO THE BOARD WITH, WITH MUCH LESS.WELL THEN THAT PLAN NEEDS TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION BECAUSE THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN'T MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A PLAN THAT DOESN'T GO THAT.
AND A NEW PLAN THAT GOES TO THE BOARD.
AND THESE ARE THINGS I'VE, I'VE EXPLAINED MORE GOING ON ON THE DIRECTION AND, AND THE FEEDBACK I'VE BEEN GETTING FROM DEALING WITH, DEALING WITH THE ENGINEERS.
BUT AS I EXPLAINED IN JANUARY ON THE PHONE TO YOU, THAT WAS WAY TOO MANY COMMENTS.
DROPPING 40 COMMENTS IS GREAT, BUT IT STILL LEAVES 65.
THOSE ARE QUALITY CONTROLLED ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE CLEANED UP ON THESE PLANS.
WHETHER IT'S PROVIDING THE RIGHT THING BECAUSE YOU HAVE IT ON THE PLAN, YOU NEED TO SHOW THE, THE, THE CUT SHEET AND THE, AND THE, AND THE, THE EXAMPLES OF WHAT SHE'S ASKING FOR HERE, BECAUSE WE CAN'T PASS A PLAN AND GO, WELL, ALRIGHT, WE'LL GET TO THAT LATER.
IT HAS TO BE CORRECT FOR THE PLAN THAT'S SUBMITTED IN FRONT OF US.
NOW, IF YOU HAD TAKEN IT OFF OF THERE, TAKEN THE INFORMATION OFF OF THERE THAT DIDN'T QUALIFY FOR TENTATIVE, THAT'S ALL WE WOULD'VE, THAT'S ALL WE WOULD'VE REVIEWED IT ON.
I GET IT BECAUSE AT THE TIME YOU WERE ASKING FOR, FOR TENTATIVE, PRELIMINARY, AND WE, I THINK YOUR APPLICATION ASKED FOR TENTATIVE, PRELIMINARY, AND FINAL.
SO WE'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT YOU NEED TO GET TENANT FIRST, MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS, NOT GO BEYOND THEM BECAUSE THAT JUST MUDDLES THE WATER.
WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION MULTIPLE TIMES ABOUT THIS, YOU UNDERSTAND, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND I'M COMING HERE AND THINKING DOES A CONVERSATION AS AN ACCEPTANCE OKAY.
THAT A LOT OF THESE THINGS WERE, AND SHE MIGHT BE SAYING THAT THESE ARE OKAY, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WHEN YOU RESUBMIT PLANS.
SO THERE'S NOT 65 COMMENTS IN THE LETTER AND IT'S, AND IT'S CLEANED UP.
BUT WE NEED TO SEE THE THING IF, IF IF JEN'S AGREED TO THEM AND YOU'VE AGREED TO THEM AND EVERYBODY, WE NEED C THAT CLEANED UP THAT, THAT WAS, THAT'S BEEN MY POINT FOR THE PAST SIX MONTHS.
I GUESS MY ONE MAIN CONCERN IS WE HAVE THESE WAIVER REQUESTS, SO I COULD ADDRESS EVERYTHING STILL PENDING WAIVERS, AND I'M STILL GONNA HAVE 13 POSSIBLE COMMENTS FOR THE WAIVER REQUESTS THAT ARE GENERATED FOR FROM THE LAYOUT, THE HORIZONTAL, UH, RADII, THE PARKING.
BUT, BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T DEAL WITH WAIVER REQUESTS UNTIL THE HARD ENGINEERING COMES IN.
AND YOU'RE PUTTING THE HARD ENGINEERING FIRST.
SO NOW WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WAIVER REQUESTS, BUT WE DON'T DEAL WITH 'EM AT THIS STAGE BECAUSE YOU MIGHT GO TO THE NEXT STAGE AND NEED MORE WAIVERS AND YOU MIGHT GO TO THE FINAL STAGE AND NEED MORE WAIVERS.
RIGHT NOW IT'S PROOF OF CONCEPT WITH TENTATIVE, WHICH GENERALLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN A FAIRLY CLEAN PROCESS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE LAYOUT APPROVAL THROUGH THE ZONING HEARING BOARD.
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A HIGHLY, A FAIRLY CLEAN PROCESS TO GET TO THIS POINT THROUGH TENTATIVE, BECAUSE IT'S, IF YOU LOOK AT THE REQUIREMENTS IN OUR ORDINANCE, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DETAIL REQUIRED.
THEN WHEN WE GET TO PRELIMINARY, YOU LUMP PRELIMINARY AND FINAL TOGETHER, WHICH IS A CONVERSATION KEVIN AND I HAVE HAD, I THINK I'VE HAD WITH YOU.
YOU GET THROUGH TENTATIVE, WHICH IS A BASIC PLAN SHOWING PROOF OF CONCEPT, WHICH YOU GENERALLY HAD WITH THE ZONING HEARING BOARD.
AND THEN YOU COME BACK IN WITH PRELIMINARY AND FINAL TOGETHER AND IT, IT SHORTENS THE PROCESS FOR YOU.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST, TOM, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, TABLE THIS WELL, I, I, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT I THINK WE, I THINK, I THINK, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I AGREE.
LET'S JUST LET YOU GUYS, WITH ALL THE INFORMATION WE'RE GIVING YOU, AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE CRITICAL MR. BAR A LITTLE BIT, BUT, BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST NOT THE NORMAL THING THAT WE SEE WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN FRONT OF US, LIEUTENANT.
AND, AND IF YOU WANNA APPROACH IT A DIFFERENT WAY AND GET PRELIMINARY, CLEAN UP ALL THE COMMENTS.
SO THERE'S JUST THE WAIVER REQUESTS, AND MAYBE YOU HAVE 13 SUB COMMENTS ON THAT WAIVER REQUEST, BUT CLEAN UP ALL THE TECHNICAL STUFF IN HERE SO THAT IT MEETS PRELIMINARY AND THEN SAY, LOOK, WE'RE WE'RE AT THE, WE COULD GET PRELIMINARY AT THE SAME TIME.
WE COULD LUMP THOSE TWO TOGETHER.
IT'S NOT TYPICAL, BUT WE COULD DO THAT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING NEXT TIME IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEY CAN REQUEST PRELIMINARY IF THE LETTER'S NOT 65 COMMENTS.
THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE COMMENTS OUT THERE, ESPECIALLY A PRELIMINARY, TENTATIVE AND PRELIMINARY.
AS LONG AS, AS LONG AS THE COMMENTS, I MEAN, WE STILL, YOU KNOW, WE STILL GOT SOME QUESTIONS, LIKE I SAY ABOUT THE CUL-DE-SAC, THE, UH, ACCESS ROAD, THE PARKING, UH, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY'S ASKING, YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS TO FILL IN THAT SPACE BETWEEN THE TWO PROGRAMS? I MEAN, WE STILL ARE GONNA HAVE THOSE KIND OF THINGS AND HOPEFULLY WHEN YOU COME BACK IN, YOU'VE HAD GOT SOME IDEAS AROUND THAT STUFF.
OR LIKE THE CUL-DE-SAC SAY YOU AGREE TO IT.
WELL, THE COUNTY ALWAYS WANTS THE RECREATION, BUT I THINK THAT IF YOU LOOK AT, I THINK THE EXISTING, EXISTING, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, I MEAN, I'M SURE THEY MIGHT NOT WANT PLAYGROUNDS.
THE POINT IS, THE POINT IS, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE POINT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS NEEDS TO BE, YOU GUYS NEED TO COME BACK, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT PRELIMINARY THAT WITH A MORE DEFINED DOCUMENT, IF WE GOT HERE AND CERTAINLY NOT 65 OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, 68, 65, UH, COMMENTS.
THAT, THAT'S WHY, AGAIN, I RESPECT THAT AND I THINK
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THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOOD FOR ME TO HEAR THE DIRECT, THE DIRECT COMMUNICATION WITH THIS.AND THEN WE KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT THE PLAN, THAT THE CHANGE THAT WERE DONE NEED TO BE RESUBMITTED.
AND WE'RE GONNA GO FOR PRELIMINARY, RIGHT? RIGHT.
AND WE SPEND TIME, WE SPEND TIME GOING OVER EVERY SINGLE COMMENT ON HERE, AND I CAN DO IT SHOW YOU A CHECKLIST, AND THE THE NUMBERS ARE LIMITED, VERY LIMITED.
BECAUSE JEN'S GONNA TELL US IF SHE DOESN'T LIKE SOMETHING OR SHE WANTS SOMETHING ADDED OR SUBTRACT, I, SHE'S GONNA TELL US, I GET SO WELL, NO, FIRST YOU GUYS SHOULD BE TALKING AND THEN GETTING IT OUTTA THERE.
IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN JUST AGREE TO CLEAN IT UP AND GET, MOVE ON.
AND IF YOU WANT TO DESCRIBE THE WAIVERS NOW, SO WE'RE AWARE OF THEM, AND SO THE PUBLIC IS AWARE OF, YOU'RE WELCOME TO, UH, THE FIRST WAIVER WE'RE REQUESTING IS THE MID RADIUS OF, OF THE CENTER LINE FOR HORIZONTAL CURVES ON PRIMARY STREETS SHALL BE 300 FEET, CENTIMETER STREETS, 200 FEET, OTHER STREETS, HUNDRED 50 FEET.
YOU'RE TO SLOW DOWN AND AND AND SPEAK UP.
YEAH, SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I'M NOT HERE TO USE, UH, THE MINIMUM RADIUS AT THE CENTER LINE FOR HORIZONTAL CURVES ON PRIMARY STREETS SHALL BE 300 FEET.
AND FOR ALL THE STREETS 150 FEET, OUR RADIO ON THIS STREET IS 62.
BUT WITH THAT 15 MILE AN HOUR, WHICH WE'RE PROPOSING IN THE DEVELOPMENT, IT'S ACCEPTABLE.
UH, RESIDENCE ROOTS SHALL HAVE A MINIMUM RIGHT OF WAY OF 50 FEET.
THE PAVEMENT LIST OF 32 FEET, WE'RE NOT PROVIDING A RIGHT OF WAY, UH, FOR THE INTERNAL DRIVES.
IT'S GOING TO BE UNDER AN EASEMENT THAT'S OPERATED AND MAINTAINED BY THE HOA AS WELL AS WE ARE NOT PROVIDING 32 FEET CAR WAY WIDTH.
WE ARE PROVIDING 26 FEET, WHICH IS ACCEPTABLE TO NAVIGATE WITH THE, UH, FIRE APPARATUS AS WELL AS A TRASH TRUCK THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THE FIRE MARSHAL HAS AGREED THAT A 26 HE'D LIKE MORE, BUT A 26 IS ACCEPTABLE FOR HIS APPARATUS.
SIMILAR TO ANOTHER CLAIM THAT HAS BEEN RECENTLY APPROVED IN THIS MUNICIPALITY.
UM, THE NEXT ONE, UH, CUL-DE-SAC, UH, SHALL BE CENTERED ON THE, UH, ON THE ROAD ENTERING IT.
OURS IS NOT CENTERED JUST DUE TO THE TOPOGRAPHY AND THE LAYOUT.
IT, EVERYTHING CAN STILL CIRCULATE CORRECTLY.
IT'S JUST, IT WORKS BETTER WITH THE GRADING AND EVERYTHING TO THE FIRST STEP.
UM, OR ASKING FOR A WAIVER FOR, UH, DRIVEWAYS.
UH, AN INTERSECTION SHALL NOT BE LESS THAN 40 FEET FROM THE INTERSECTION BEDROOM BETWEEN THE CURB LINE.
WE HAVE THREE UNITS, 22, 23, AND 24 THAT ARE WITHIN 40 FEET OF THE INTERSECTION THERE.
IT JUST, IT'S SIMILAR TO ANY SORT OF T INTERSECTION.
SOMETIMES YOU ARE CLOSER WHEN YOU'RE ON THAT SIDE.
THEN WE'RE ASKING FOR A WAIVER TO ALLOW THE PERPENDICULAR PARKING ON THE ACCESS STREET TO ALLOW OPEN FOR PARKING FOR GUESTS, AS YOU ASKED IF SOMEBODY HAS A PARTY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
DUE TO THE CART WAYS BEING NO PARKING ON THAT.
NOW, DON'T THEY HAVE ACCESS PARKING ON THAT STREET NOW, OR, YOU KNOW, IN PARALLEL PARKING ON THAT STREET TODAY? ON PROPOSED STREET? NO, FROM PROPOSED STREET ON THE MAIN, ON THE, ON THE SIXTH AVENUE.
BUT OUR, OUR ROAD ONLY BEING 26 FEET, WE HAD NO PARKING, UH, ALONG IT TO ALLOW, MAINTAIN, UH, FIRE CIRCULATION, ANYTHING IN CASE OF EMERGENCY.
BUT THAT WOULD STILL BE A WAIVER WE NEED TO GET FROM YOU GUYS TO ALLOW FOR THAT PERMIT OF THE PARKING, WHICH, UH, I BELIEVE YOU GRANTED IT OR THE BOARD GRANTED IT FOR, UH, LOOSE POINT AS WELL.
TOM, IF YOU, IF YOU WERE TO LOSE TWO UNITS, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO CUT THE, THE STREET WIDER AND ALLOW PARALLEL PARKING? LIKE WHICH ONE? WHAT? THAT THAT ROAD A, YOUR ROAD A THERE, IF, IF IT WERE, YOU KNOW, 25 AND 25 AND 26.
IF, IF, IF THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WELL, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO GET, UH, I THINK A PARALLEL PARKING BECAUSE THE STREET'S NOT WIDE ENOUGH.
I WAS JUST SAYING IF, IF SAY UNIT ONE AND UNIT 12 WERE GONE OH, OKAY.
AND YOU WERE ABLE TO MAKE THE STREET WIDER, IT WOULD BE WIDE DAY, YOU'D BE ABLE TO GET PARALLEL A APART TO MAKE IT WE CAN'T, IT'S, IT IS MORE THAN JUST TWO UNITS.
UH, IF WE MAKE, UH, ROAD B 32 FEET
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UNITS ONE THROUGH SIX WILL NOT MEET THE SETBACK.WELL, I OBVIOUSLY FROM ROAD A, NOT ROAD B, EVEN IF YOU JUST DID IT ON ROAD A, WOULD THAT HELP? UH, YOU WITH THE PARKING, YOU'D BE ABLE TO GET THE PARKING MAYBE.
WE'D LOSE IT IS STILL NOT ONE OR TWO.
I DIDN'T LOOK AT IT, BUT THE PROXIMITY TO THE EXISTING BUILDINGS DOWN THERE, WE WOULD BE ENCROACHING ON SETBACKS THERE.
JUST THROWING OUT IDEAS, YOU KNOW.
UM, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE SHOWED ON HERE, THERE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE, THE WIDTH, YOU'RE ASKING FOR 2060.
YOU SHOWED 24 ON HERE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
THAT THIS IS THE PLAN FROM DECEMBER.
AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE WE, WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, SHOW THE RIGHT
IT WAS UP TO 26 AFTER DISCUSSIONS WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL.
HEY JED, CAN YOU, CAN YOU, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME, 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT'S THE CLEAR SIGHT TRIANGLE? WHAT DOES, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT DOES THOSE, WHAT DOES THAT TERM MEAN? BRIAN? BRIAN.
WELL, YOU, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IT EARLIER.
I KNOW, BUT I WANT BRIAN TO BE ABLE TO SAY SOMETHING.
WELL, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IT EARLIER.
BUT WHAT IS THAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO THERE'S A COUPLE, TWO DIFFERENT, ESSENTIALLY TERMS REGARDING CLEAR SIGHT TRIANGLES.
UH, ONE OF THEM, AS YOU SEE HERE AT THE INTERSECTION OF ROAD A AND ROAD B IS, UH, KIND OF LIKE AN EQUILATERAL TRIANGLE.
AND THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT TO KEEP, UH, PLANTINGS, FENCES, THINGS AWAY FROM THE, THE INTERSECTION SO THAT AS YOU'RE PULLING OUT, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC, THIS, THIS COMING FROM THE SITE FROM ANOTHER DIRECTION COMING AROUND THE CORNER.
THE OTHER SITE TRIANGLE THAT WE REFER TO IN THE LETTER IS A PENDOT SITE TRIANGLE.
THAT IS A MUCH DIFFERENT SHAPE.
IT'S VERY SHORT ON THE STREET WHERE YOU'RE COMING OUT OF THE STOP SIGN AND IT'S LONGER ALONG THE ROAD, UH, THAT YOU'RE PULLING OUT ONTO.
AND THAT'S WHAT PENNET HAS IDENTIFIED AS BEING REQUIRED AMOUNT OF DISTANCE TO BE ABLE TO SEE, SO THAT IF YOU PULLED OUT, WE WOULDN'T HAVE A CRASH.
UM, THAT'S DEPENDENT UPON SPEED LIMIT.
IT'S UPON DEPENDENT UPON GRADE.
UM, AND SO IT, IT IS A COMBINATION OF THE TWO OF THOSE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE CLEARANCE.
WHERE'S THE SECOND ONE BROUGHT ON ON THIS PICTURE? WHERE IS IT LEFT? IT'S NOT OKAY.
UH, IT'S IN, IT'S IN ONE OF THE COMMENTS.
I SEE THE TRIANGLE ON THE FIRST ONE.
IT'S ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT, THAT WE'VE REQUESTED.
IT, IT IS MORE IMPORTANT WHERE ROAD A INTERSECTS SOUTH SIXTH AVENUE.
TO MAKE SURE THAT AS YOU'RE PULLING OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT, YOU CAN SEE ALONG SIXTH AVENUE SUFFICIENT DISTANCE SO THAT WE DON'T PULL OUT AND, AND HAVE A CRASH PROBLEM.
WHERE ARE YOU? SO I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING THAT PRECLUDES THE ABILITY TO HAVE THAT SITE TRIANGLE.
IT IS JUST, IT, IT WASN'T ON THE PLANS.
AND THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A PRIMARY CONCERN.
I'M GLAD BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IT.
I'M LOOKING, I DON'T SEE ANY TRIANGLE, BUT OKAY.
WELL I THINK THAT, I THINK WE'VE GIVEN YOU SOME, I MEAN, TOO MUCH MONEY,
AND IF YOU WANT TO ASK PRELIMINARY AT THAT TIME, YOU CAN DO THAT.
UM, UH, AND THEN IN THE MEANTIME, LET'S JUST, LET'S JUST, YOU KNOW, KEEP, I DON'T KNOW, KEEP MOVING ALONG AND CLEANING IT UP SO THAT WHEN YOU COME BACK IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, GET INTO THE WHATEVER ELSE WE NEED TO GET IT TO.
SO HOW ABOUT WE JUST DO THAT? CAN I, DO YOU HAVE OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU WANT FEEDBACK FOR? NO, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S THROUGH THE WAIVER REQUEST LIST.
I THINK THE ONLY OTHER ONE THAT WE, WE ALREADY DISCUSSED IT WAS WE NEED A WAIVER FOR THE HAMMERHEAD TURNAROUND.
THE WHAT? THE HAMMERHEAD TURNAROUND AT THE END OF.
WOULD THE NO IT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE FIRE MARSHAL TO SHOW US THE LETTER FOR OUR RESUBMISSION? WOULD HE DO IT AT THIS POINT? YES.
I, I CAN TALK TO HIM ABOUT THAT.
SO THEN THE, SO SOME CLARIFICATION.
SO THE ENGINEER WILL HAVE ALL THE, ALL THE EDITS CLEANED UP UNDER PLAN, WE'LL RESUBMIT AND WE SHOULD HAVE A SHORT LIST.
THERE COULD BE A COUPLE STORMWATER ISSUES.
I, I DON'T EXPECT IT TO BE EMPTY.
I MEAN, I'M STORMWATER COUNTY AND, AND THE SEVERAL WAIVERS.
AND WE'LL GO FOR, WE'LL GO FOR PRELIMINARY.
AT THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC THERE, YOU GOT THAT, DOES THAT, IS THAT A TRAIL OFF TO THE BOTTOM? THAT BRANCH OFF THERE? PENN OF AMERICAN WATER, IS THAT ACCESS TO THEIR STATION BACK THERE? OKAY.
THAT'S AMOUNT A TRAIL YOU'RE PROPOSING TO BATCH UP WITH IT? NO, THEY HAVE THAT, THEY HAVE THEIR BUILDING IN THE BACK DOWN HERE RIGHT NOW.
THEY, THEY ACTUALLY, THEY ENTER IT OFF THE VERY TOP OF THE PROPERTY AND,
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AND IT SKIRTS AROUND THE BACK.SO THAT'S GONNA BE AN ACCESS ROAD FOR THEM.
OFFER THEM, YOU KNOW, AN ACCESS RIGHT FROM THE CUL-DE-SAC OFF ONTO THE, ONTO THE EXISTING ROAD.
SO, SO, SO IF YOU COME BACK, IT'LL BE A TENTATIVE SLASH PRELIMINARY.
IF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO PRELIMINARY STAGE YES, WE DO.
WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR STORMWATER DESIGN, JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE DRAINAGE AREAS THAT YOU SHOW GETTING TO THE BASINS, THAT THERE IS ENOUGH SUM OR CAPACITY FOR THOSE SYSTEMS. SPECIFICALLY THE ONES COMING DOWN BETWEEN, IS IT 16 TO 21? THE BACKYARD'S THERE? MM-HMM
THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE CAPTURED NEAR UNIT 16 AND THEN TAKEN ACROSS THE CUL-DE-SAC TO THE, JUST MAKE SURE THOSE LAST COUPLE INLETS THERE HAVE CAPACITY, HAVE BERMS BEHIND THEM SO THAT THERE'S NO OVER WASH FOR THAT AND IT COULDN'T BE BYPASSED.
WERE THOSE COMMENTS ON THE PLAN ON IT? YEAH.
AND THERE, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, BUT SINCE WE'RE TALKING WITH STORMWATER, JUST THAT'S ONE OF THE LARGER STORMWATER ISSUES.
SO I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THAT, BUT IT'S IN THE LETTER.
AND, AND THE ISSUE THAT THE COUNTY BROUGHT UP ABOUT, UH, OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF, UH, THE UNDERGROUND DETENTION BASIN, WHICH I ASSUME, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND THAT'LL BE STANDARD AGREEMENT THAT WITH JUST BE SHE'S CLEAR ALL PART OF THE, OKAY.
SO IF YOU GUYS ARE DONE, I'M GONNA ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS.
IF WE GOT ANY, PEOPLE HAVE, SINCE WE'RE HERE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT, LET'S JUST GET SOME PUBLIC COMMENT.
I WOULD JUST IDENTIFY YOURSELF, NAME AND THAT ADDRESS.
UM, JOHN MERTON, 24 SCHOOL SITE COURT.
UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT DIAGRAM, UH, THE CUL-DE-SAC THERE, YOU SEE THAT 30 DEGREE ANGLE APPROXIMATELY ON THE FAR RIGHT SIDE BY PROPERTY ABATES THAT LIKE, THAT'S, IT GOES ALONG THAT WHOLE THING.
JUST ONE THING BEFORE, UH, WE DON'T WANNA, YOU CAN'T UNDERSTATE, I DON'T HAVE YOUR BACKGROUND.
I DON'T HA I CLEARLY DON'T HAVE YOUR BACKGROUND.
I WENT THROUGH ALL 95 PAGES AND TRIED TO DISCERN THAT.
LIKE, SO THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PEOPLE THAT AREN'T HERE EVERY DAY LIKE THAT, LIKE THAT'S KIND OF GETTING BRUSHED TO THE SIDE A LITTLE BIT.
I WENT THROUGH EVERY ONE TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT HOW IT AFFECTS BOTH POSITIVELY OR NEGATIVELY WITH ME.
SO I ONLY HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT YOU GIVE THEM THAT GETS ON THERE.
AND, AND THAT'S REALLY, IM IMPORTANT TO THE PUBLIC TO BE THIS.
WE DON'T KNOW, LIKE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS.
I'M REMEDIAL IN ALL THIS STUFF, SO I APPRECIATE LIKE YOU GUYS GOING OVER THIS STUFF, BUT I REALLY NEEDED THAT.
UM, ONE, THE CUL-DE-SAC, WE'LL START WITH.
AND I, I'VE BEEN THERE 32 YEARS, A LITTLE OVER 32 YEARS.
UM, I HAVE TAKEN CARE OF FROM THAT ACCESS ROAD.
AND YOU CAN FOLLOW ALMOST THAT PERFORATED ROAD.
IT'S FAIRLY SIMILAR, MAYBE A LITTLE HIGHER.
THAT'S THE ACCESS ROAD THAT CAME ALL THE WAY IN, UM, ON OUR PROPERTY.
CAN I GO OVER THERE? I KNOW
SO I, UM, I HAVE TAKEN CARE OF THAT BACK PART OF THE PROPERTY FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
LIKE ALL THE LEAVES, ALL THE EVERYTHING BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT LIKE THE, THE BEAUTIFICATION OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, NEVER CARED.
I KNEW IT WASN'T MY PROPERTY NOT LOOKING FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE SAME THING.
CUL-DE-SAC LIVING TO ME BECAME LIKE PEOPLE IN THE FRONT, NEIGHBORS IN THE FRONT, LITTLE PRIVACY IN THE BACK.
SO I WANT TO ENSURE THAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING US.
UM, I SEE THAT YOU PUT, UH, THE WORD IS, UM, UH, DECIDUOUS TREES, UM, LINED ON MY PROPERTY, UH, ON THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY THERE, UM, WHICH LOSES ITS LEAVES.
AND THEN THAT THE CONCERN WOULD BE ALL THE LIGHTS THAT COME IN TO THE BACK OF OUR HOUSE, LIKE OUR LIVING ROOM, THE TWO BEDROOMS AND ALL THAT ARE COMING DOWN THAT ROAD DIRECTLY AT OUR HOUSE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A CONCERN OF MINE, UM, THAT I HOPE WE COULD DO.
'CAUSE WE REALLY DO, WE TAKE PRIDE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE KEEP, LIKE I MOW FOUR LAWNS BACK THERE, JUST 'CAUSE I, I LIKE IT
I LIKE THE WAY IT, I ASSUME THAT YOU SAW THAT THERE WERE SEVEN ITEMS WITH LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING AS PART OF OUR
SO I I'M HOPING THAT THAT HELPED ADDRESS YOUR ISSUE.
IT, IT, IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY, IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY BECAUSE UM, THE DECIDUOUS TREES ARE GONNA LEAVE IT WIDE OPEN.
MAYBE 15 YEARS FROM NOW IT FILLS UP OR WHATEVER.
BUT RIGHT NOW THERE'S, THERE'S PRIVACY THERE.
UM, THE PROBLEM WITH THE OPENING THERE HAVE TREES WITH THAT KIND OF SEPARATION
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AND EVERYTHING IS, IF YOU LOOK AT MY PROPERTY THERE AND THE ONE TO THE LOWER PART THAT LINES UP WHERE THAT ROAD ACCESS ROAD ENDS, RIGHT? THAT LINES UP WITH WALKING RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF OUR PROPERTY.AND WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH PEOPLE RIDING THEIR BIKES THROUGH IN THE FRONT OF OUR PROPERTIES.
WE HAVE TWO, UH, UH, OUR, OUR DRIVEWAYS ARE CONNECTED SO OF COMING DOWN BETWEEN THE CARS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE HAD TO KIND OF PUT AN END TO IT.
SO WE LIKE, HEY, COULD YOU SHOW THE PICTURE AGAIN? THE, THE, UH, THE AERIAL SHOP.
ALRIGHT, SO WE ARE, I'M LOOKING FOR US THERE.
OH, TO THE BACK PART OF IT THERE.
UM, UM, WE ARE, I'M, I'M LOST ON THIS ONE.
LIKE WHERE, UM, WHERE'S SCHOOL SITE COURT COMING OFF OF SCHOOL? YOU ARE GENERALLY DOWN HERE FROM LEFT OF THE STREET.
SO, UM, SO IT'S KIND OF REVERSED FOR ME THE WAY I WAS LOOKING AT IT.
SO THOSE TWO DOUBLES, LIKE THEY WOULD BE COMING RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THAT TO THE CUL-DE-SAC.
NOW THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE, WHY WOULD THEY COME TO THE CUL-DE-SAC EXCEPT THAT'S CONNECTED TO ANOTHER CUL-DE-SAC.
LIKE, UH, LIKE THEY'RE TWO TOGETHER AND ON THE OTHER END IS THE SIDEWALK THAT TAKES YOU UP TO THE SCHOOL.
SO THAT'S A DIRECT ROUTE FOR THEM THAT THEY USE TO COME, THEY THAT IF IT'S OPEN AND THAT ROAD STARTS RIGHT THERE, THAT'S, YOU MEAN THE, UH, PENNSYLVANIA AMERICAN WATER ROAD, THE, THE ACCESS ROAD, THE, LIKE, IF, IF WE'RE TAKING THOSE TREES OUT AND ALL THAT BRUSH AND YOU'RE PUTTING IN THOSE, UM, UH, MAPLE, I THINK THEY WERE PERHAPS, UH, THEY'RE GOING TO BE SEPARATED.
THEY'RE GONNA LOSE THEIR LEAVES IN THE FALL AND WINTER AND IT, IT GIVES A DIRECT LINE THROUGH MY PROPERTY AND THE GOODS, WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT TO US STRAIGHT UP DUE TO CUL-DE-SAC STREET TO SCHOOL.
OTHERWISE THEY'RE WALKING AROUND UP SIXTH AVENUE, MAYBE ACROSS GREEN OR LIKE, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, IT'S A, IT CUTS OFF A LOT.
I'M NOT SURE WHO'S WALKING, BUT I, I THINK WE CAN SOLVE THIS BY SAYING KEVIN PUT IN A LANDSCAPE BUFFER BACK THERE PLEASE OF SOME SORT.
YEAH, SOMETHING THAT'S SOMETHING DOWN.
THINGS THAT I KNOW YOU'LL SEE LIKE THE TYPE OF SPECIES THAT PUT ON THEIR PLANS NOW ARE, I'M NOT SURE WHO EVEN RECOMMENDS THE FIRST, THE FIRST UH, GO AROUND OF IT.
BUT WHEN I GET TO A PLAN, TO A CERTAIN POINT, I'LL STRESS IT.
WHEN I GET TO A PLAN, TO A CERTAIN POINT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING, YOU HAVE A COMMENT.
AND IF THERE'S THE ABILITY TO PUT EVERGREENS, TALL EVERGREENS, GREEN GIANTS, SO FORTH THAT CAN GROW UP, GROW AND HAVE, HAVE BUFFERS AND PRIVACY, PUT A LITTLE BURN BACK THERE.
WELL THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
'CAUSE WE KNOW IT'S, IT'S NOT OUR PROPERTY.
IT'S THEIR PROPERTY AND, AND WE WANNA BE NEIGHBORLY, BUT WE ALSO WANNA RIGHT.
LET'S MOVE ON TO WHAT'S, SO THAT, THAT WAS ONE.
THE NEXT ONE, UM, REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME IS THAT CUL-DE-SAC.
IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THAT PICTURE OF THE CUL-DE-SAC.
UM, IN THE ORIGINAL, WHEN I CAME TO THE LAST, THE MEETING, WHEN WE FIRST TALKED ABOUT THIS, UH, MR. GIBBONS UH, TOLD ME THAT, UM, THE EXISTING EASEMENT, UM, THEY INTENDED TO MAINTAIN THAT EXISTING EASEMENT.
AND SINCE THEN YOU'VE ELIMINATED IT.
UM, THAT EASEMENT WENT RIGHT UP, LIKE THAT ROAD WENT RIGHT UP AND AROUND.
UM, AND I ASKED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT ROAD.
THAT WOULDN'T BECOME A ROAD OR, OR ANYTHING FOR WATER COMPANY.
I'M SORRY FOR THE WATER COMPANY.
FOR IT WOULD BE FOR THE WATER COMPANY.
BUT NOW IT'S ELIMINATED WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS THE, SO NOW THE WAY HE HAS IT DRAWN UP HERE, THEY'VE COME OFF OF SIXTH AVENUE ON ROAD A DOWN THE CUL-DE-SAC AND THEN HIT D DIFFERENT INSTEAD OF THE WAY IT WAS, IT'S ON THE OTHER PICTURE WHERE
SO I, I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, NOT WHEN I HEARD ABOUT A SIDEWALK.
NOW WE'RE EXTENDING THAT EVEN FURTHER OR NO, THE THE, THE ROAD EASEMENT IS GOING AWAY.
THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE AN EASEMENT, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A ROAD BACK THERE.
ONE BECAUSE HE'S SHORTENING IT TO BEGIN WITH.
AND SECONDLY BECAUSE HE'S NOW GONNA PUT IN A EVERGREEN BUFFER THAT HE JUST AGREED TO.
SO, SO THE BUFFER'S GOING IN THERE, THE SIDEWALK IS GOING AROUND THE CUL-DE-SAC.
SO IT'S EXTENDING BEYOND THAT 'CAUSE IS THAT CUL-DE-SAC BASED ON THE SIDE? THAT WAS PART OF MY QUESTION AS WELL.
IS THERE PARKING AND WILL THERE BE NO PARKING IN THAT CUL-DE-SAC THAT'S ISSUE THAT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION.
ALRIGHT, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL TIES INTO MY CUL-DE-SAC QUESTION I GUESS.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET, ALRIGHT, THAT IS GONNA BE DEPENDING ON THE FIRE MARSHAL AND THE TURN RADIUS.
THE FIRE MARSHAL WILL DETERMINE WHERE PARKING CAN BE BASED ON HIS TURN RADIUS.
AND THEN IT WOULD BE A WAIVER IF THEY, IF THEY, I'M SORRY, BRIAN HAS A COMMENT.
THERE WON'T BE PARKING IN THE COL CENTER.
SO THAT, THAT'S HELPFUL BECAUSE THEN AGAIN, THE LIGHTING AND, AND WE GET IT LIKE TRASH TRUCKS HAVE TO TURN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SAFETY WITH FIRE, FIRE TRUCKS AND ALL TOO.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS MEASURED FOR FIRE TRUCKS
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AND PARKING OR, OR NOT.SO THAT, THAT'S ANOTHER, THAT'S A GOOD PART OF THAT TOO.
THE LAST, JUST GOING BACK, PART OF YOUR CONCERN IS ITEM NUMBER 36, UH, TO TAKE TO 36 FOR THE TYPE TWO BUFFERS.
THE FIRE BACK THERE, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BREAKDOWN OF PLANTINGS IN THE ORDER.
IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY ON THERE WAS THE ORIGINAL THING WITHOUT ALL, ALL OF THE 95 PAGES WAS LIKE 22 PAGES.
AND I THINK IT WAS ON 18, THE MAP ON ON 18 SHOWED, UM, THE TYPE OF, THE TYPE OF PLANTS THEY WERE PUTTING ON IT.
THEY HAD A, THEY HAD A DESIGN ON THEM.
I WHAT'S YOUR CONCERN? UM, WELL YOU LITTLE MORE DECIDUOUS, THEY'RE A LITTLE MORE EVERGREEN THAN DECIDUOUS.
BECAUSE IT, SO THE ONLY TALKING TO THE ENGINEER, THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES A TYPE TWO BUFFER.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S 30 DECIDUOUS 70 EVERGREEN 70 EVERGREEN 32.
THE TYPE TWO IS JUST GO HEAVY ON THE EVERGREEN FOR THAT AND THEN MAKE A NOTE ON YOUR SUBMISSION THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU DID DUE TO
THAT'S, I HAVE THAT LAYOUT AND IT SHOWS THAT.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS ALL UP HERE, SO IF IT WAS GONNA BE UP THERE FOR ME, SO IT DOES SHOW IT THE TREE, THE TREE LINE IS RIGHT HERE.
AND THEY DID TRY TO ACCOMMODATE ME SOMEWHAT.
I'M JUST ASKING CAN WE JUST GO THAT LITTLE BIT FURTHER? YES.
AND THEN THEY READ THROUGH THAT.
SO THIS IMPORTANT OF THE THINGS I'VE ALWAYS, WITH ALL APPLICANTS AND ALL NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, EXCHANGE NUMBERS TONIGHT, TALK TO EACH OTHER.
BUT I, THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT I GET, AND AGAIN HERE THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.
YOU GUYS TALK TO EACH OTHER AND SAY, HEY, WHAT DO YOU NEED BACK HERE TO BE SATISFIED? WELL, I NEED EVERGREENS, I NEED BUSHES, WHATEVER IT IS.
AND WE SHOULDN'T BE INVOLVED IN IT.
ALRIGHT, WELL THAT, THAT'S HELPFUL.
NOW I'LL ASK, THAT IS IMPORTANT TO ME IS THE WATER, THE WATER RETENTION.
SO I, I'LL SHOW YOU GUYS THIS FIRST.
UM, I HAVE THREE YEARS OF THIS.
THIS WAS ON THE DAY, UM, THIS WAS, UM, JULY 25TH OF 23, UH, 1.8 INCHES OF RAIN THAT DAY.
AND THIS IS, I CAN BRING, YOU GUYS CAN LOOK AT IT IF YOU WANT.
IS THERE, IS THERE A CREEK OR SOMETHING AROUND BACK THROUGH THERE? THERE'S A SMALL, UM, OVERFLOW FROM THE SCHOOL AND EVERYTHING, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS THE SEWER ON THEIR PROPERTY, THE SEWER.
UM, AND THEN THIS IS THE ACCESS ROAD ALL THE WAY UP.
LIKE THE ACCESS ROAD IS SOMEWHERE AROUND HERE.
THAT'S THE TYPE OF WATER WE GET ON A BIGGER STORM THAT WE'RE HOPING THAT LIKE NOW THAT YOU'RE PUTTING A CUL-DE-SAC AND YOU'RE PUTTING MORE CONCRETE THERE, WHERE'S IT DRAINING TO LIKE, 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S ERODING MY PROPERTY AT THIS POINT.
BUT I, I THINK THE ISSUE HERE IS AT THIS STAGE, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE OBLIGATED TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE DRAINAGE THAT WILL BE NO, PROVIDE NOTHING WORSE THAN WHAT IT ALREADY IS TODAY.
AND HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE EVEN BETTER.
WELL, I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE BETTER, BUT, YOU KNOW, BUT THE POINT IS, IS THAT WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T MANDATE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY FIX WHAT ALREADY EXISTS.
BUT I UNDERSTAND, MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING THAT MAKES IT WORSE.
I JUST THE REASON I PRINTED THAT IS TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF WHAT CURRENTLY EXISTS.
'CAUSE IF YOU COME ON LIKE A WEEK AGO WHERE WE JUST WENT THROUGH A WHOLE DROUGHT AND YOU SEE, AND YOU SEE THIS GRASS THAT LOOKS REALLY NICE AND ALL THERE, THAT'S EVERY YEAR.
NOW, I DON'T SIT OUT THERE VIDEOTAPING ALL THE TIME, BUT I HAVE THREE YEARS CONSECUTIVE OF THAT ON VIDEO.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SEE WHAT IT'S DOING.
WELL I THINK THAT, I THINK WHAT YOU GOTTA KEEP IN MIND IS THAT IT COULD BE MET DONE WITH THEIR ENGINEERING AND THEY'RE DONE WITH THEIR ENGINEERING AND THE KIDS.
I DON'T, I DON'T DISCOUNT THAT.
IT COULD BE MY NEW BEST FRIENDS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I, I KNOW IT'S THEIR PROPERTY AND PART OF IT IS IF, IF YOU ARE GETTING A LOT OF WATER FROM THE SCHOOL, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MAINTAINING IT CORRECTLY, IF THAT'S THE FLOW OF THAT LITTLE CREEK SOUNDS LIKE IT.
THERE, THERE, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH THEY CAN DO.
'CAUSE THEY HAVE TO CONTROL WHAT SOME'S COMING BACK.
BUT, BUT AGAIN, YOU'RE SORT OF DOWNHILL FROM THE SCHOOL COMPLEX AND IF YOU'RE GETTING A LITTLE OVERFLOW FROM THAT, AND I LOOK A LITTLE FARTHER DOWN.
WE GET IT AT THE FRONT OF OUR BOAT ALL THE TIME TOO.
YOU KNOW, IT IT, IT, YOU HAVE TO LOOK A LITTLE UPSTREAM.
THEY CAN, WE CAN ONLY REQUIRE THEM TO LOOK AT WHAT'S COMING OFF OF THEIR PROPERTY.
I WANT THEM TO JUST NOTICE THAT WE ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY.
WE JUST WANT TO BE CONSIDERED.
AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE OUR MAGNIFICENT ENGINEERS TO MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING HAPPENS.
THAT'S, THAT'S TELL APART FROM OUR PROPERTY.
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IN THE POST-CONDITION.YOU GET LESS, LESS AREA GOING TO THAT POINT.
I CAN SWIM, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT.
WHAT IS YOUR OTHER ONE YOU HAVE? UH, NO, THAT WAS THE THREE CUL-DE-SAC SAFETY.
UH, LIKE THE, LIKE THE BUSHES AND OH, OKAY.
AND THEN, UM, UH, THE WATER STORAGE.
I DON'T WANT LET YOU GUYS TALK.
MAYBE GIVE EACH OTHER'S PHONE NUMBER.
I KNOW YOU FROM SPRING FORWARD TO SPORTS DAUGHTER, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT YOUR PROPERTY FROM VERY ZONING ABOUT THE RUNOFF.
AND I MADE SURE WE TALKED TO OTHER MANAGERS ABOUT IT THAT RUNOFF FROM THE NORTHEAST PORTION IS GONNA GET CAUGHT, GONNA GET CAPTURED IN OUR STORMWATER.
BUT WE CAN'T CONTROL THE BACKEND.
I JUST WANT TO CONSIDER, I HAVE NO MORE, THEY'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT WE THANK YOU MR. PETER.
WE CAN ADD TALK AFTER ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS.
ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? WE ALREADY ASKED FOR PUBLIC NON AGENDA ITEMS. NUMBER 16.
UM, THAT IS, THAT IS ITEMS TO BE DISCUSSED.
THAT'S OUR DISCUSSED IN THE FUTURE.
NOW IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT, WE'D CERTAINLY COME UP AFTER WE'RE DONE WITH THIS MATTER AND WE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
THIS IS, UH, THIS IS OUR, THIS IS WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR FUTURE.
IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, BUT, OR IF YOU WANNA ASK ME A QUESTION, I'LL HANG, UM, HERE AFTER THE MEETING.
WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GOING TO, UH, REDO THIS.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WHAT YOU DO, GIVE US YOUR COMMENT ON WHAT YOU HAVE WHILE HERE.
UH, MONISHA BENRA 2 21 RIDGE DRIVE.
WAS THAT AT RIGHT IN ITS BACKYARD.
UM, UH, SEVERAL CONCERNS REGARDING REZONING OF THIS AREA, WHICH REALLY A BUTTS UP TO SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOODS OF WHERE MANY YOUNG SCHOOL CHILDREN ARE.
UM, CONCERNS OF TRAFFIC, AESTHETICS AND, UH, OUR TAX PAYING DOLLARS.
UM, TRAFFIC ALREADY WHEN THERE ARE BACKUPS ON THAT ROAD OR WHEN HIGHWAYS AND CONSTRUCTION OCCUR, THEY ALREADY GO THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AT HIGH SPEEDS, ESPECIALLY ON MENNONITES.
UM, AND PUT INCREASED RISK OF SAFETY FOR CHILDREN AND MULTIPLE FAMILIES IN THAT AREA.
SO SEVERAL CONCERNS OVER INCREASING TRAFFIC, UM, AS WELL AS A SEVERAL STORY GARAGE TO AN AREA THAT ABUTS UP TO A NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHAT WHAT, WHAT PROPERTY ARE YOU TALKING, YOU TALKING ABOUT THE HOSPITAL.
THAT'S WHY I SAID I NEEDED TO SURE.
MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
SO JUST THANK YOU CONCERNS OVER REZONING OF THAT AREA, UM, SPECIFICALLY FOR THESE SEVERAL RISK FACTORS.
AND THAT'S JUST THE SAFETY OF THE TRAFFIC.
YOU, SAFETY OF TRAFFIC, AESTHETICS, TAX, DOLLAR, MONEY.
UM, THERE'S MANY COMPONENTS TO THAT.
UM, AND JUST THE BEAU THE AREA ITSELF.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE BACK THERE THAT KIND OF, KIND OF COME TOGETHER THAT YOU KEEP IN, UH, WITH THESE PROPERTY COMPONENTS.
AND I'VE BEEN HERE 16 YEARS IN THAT PROPERTY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WEGMAN SHOPPING, I CALL IT WEGMANS, UPPER PROVIDENCE SHOPPING CENTER, UM, HAS BEEN THERE, UH, NOTORIOUSLY FOR A LONG TIME.
UM, THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS ARE KIND OF EXTENSION, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT ARE THERE, BUT THEY'RE THERE.
UH, SEVERAL OF THOSE OTHER, THE NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, BOTH, UH, 55 PLUS AND THE OTHER ONE HAS DEVELOPED IN TIMEFRAME.
THE TOLL BROTHERS AND, BUT THAT'S ALL COMMUNITY, THAT'S ALL HOUSING, WHICH I THINK ADDS TO THE AREA.
HOWEVER, IF YOU PUT A HUGE HOSPITAL WITH SIRENS, UM, INCREASED POPULATION, UH, POTENTIALLY A HELICOPTER, DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, SHOULD THEY SHOULD EVEN
IF WE WERE AT THE MEETING ON MONDAY, THE BOARD MEETING ON MONDAY, THEY WERE HERE AND EXPLAINED, UNFORTUNATELY I WAS WORKING.
UM, I WAS TOO, BUT I WORK HERE, UM,
UM, THE ACCESS TO MENNONITE ROAD IS EMERGENCY ONLY CHAINED, AND THAT'S ONLY IF EVERYTHING ON OUR KOHL ROAD.
I LISTENED TO THEIR, UM, TO THEIR, I LISTENED TO THAT BEFOREHAND.
IT'S VERY EARLY IN THE PROCESS FOR ALL OF THIS.
SO WE ARE WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THE ZONING QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT.
THEY'LL BE AT A PUBLIC MEETING.
THERE'LL BE IN MULTIPLE PUBLIC MEETINGS FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS AND CONCERNS.
UM, IN THE FUTURE, I WOULD, I THINK MY ESTIMATE WAS SOMETIME SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER WOULD BE THE FIRST TIME THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD HAVE A FORMAL MEETING ABOUT IT.
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BECAUSE I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE SEVERAL MEETINGS OF REZONING.AND SO I'M, I'M ASKING YOU TO REALLY RECONSIDER REZONING THIS PROPERTY FOR A HOSPITAL.
UM, I CAN TELL YOU, I CAN TAKE JUST, JUST, JUST FOR YOUR, YOU KNOW, UM, JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
THERE'S A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR THIS, FOR THIS PROGRAM AT THAT, ON THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE IT COULD BE, IT, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD PUT 600 HOUSES IN THERE, YOU KNOW, APARTMENTS OR I'D RATHER THAT THAN HOSPITAL.
WELL SEE, WE WOULD, WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO CURTAIL POPULATION, UH, EXPANSION IN THIS TOWN.
SO EITHER SO, BUT ANYHOW, WE DECIDE THERE IS GOING TO BE A LOT OF PUBLIC DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL HAVE MULTIPLE MEETINGS WHERE THEY TALK ABOUT IT.
THERE WILL BE A HEARING AT THE BOARD WHEN THEY HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.
UM, THERE'LL BE AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, THAT WILL BE AT LEAST ONE NIGHT.
THERE'S FOUR DIFFERENT PIECES TO THIS APPLICATION, THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT, THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT, THE UM, THE CONDITIONAL USE AND THE TENTATIVE SKETCH.
SO ALL OF THOSE WILL BE DISCUSSED AT PUBLIC MEETINGS AND, AND THE THROUGH THE PROCESS.
I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, UNTIL IT WAS KIND OF PUBLICIZED MORE THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA AND ON THE NEWS, UM, I THINK US AS A NEIGHBORHOOD OR QUITE, UM, KIND OF BLINDSIDED BY THIS POTENTIAL, UM, PROPOSITION FOR A HOSPITAL.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOWNSHIP WEBSITE, THERE ARE PLANS THERE THAT SHOW YOU EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THEY'RE PROPOSING.
I'M JUST SAYING IT'S NOW BEING, I'M SAYING TO THE TOWNSHIP DEFENSE, WE DID HAVE DISCUSSIONS.
I THINK WE HAD TWO MEETINGS PRIOR.
WE, I WILL HAVE PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING OR PRE-APPLICATION MEETINGS WITH DEVELOPERS TO DISCUSS THE PROCESS WITH THEM TO DISCUSS WHAT'S GOING ON UNTIL SOMEONE MAKES A FORMAL APPLICATION.
IT'S NOT A PUBLIC, IT'S NOT PROPELLED KNOWLEDGE BECAUSE WE COULD HAVE HAD THOSE MEETINGS.
I COULD HAVE COME INTO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, KNOCKED ON EVERY SINGLE DOOR, SAID THIS MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED AND THE HOSPITAL MIGHT HAVE SAID, I'M SORRY, WE'VE CHANGED OUR MIND.
AND SO UNTIL IT'S A FORMAL APPLICATION, IT JUST REMAINS, YOU KNOW, FREE APPLICATION.
I, AS I SAID IN THE MEETING ON MONDAY, AND IT WAS REPORTED IN THE SPRING FORD NEWS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
MY SNIPPY COMMENT ABOUT RIP THE BANDAID OFF, WHICH I LOOK BACK ON AND THINK I READ THAT.
I LOOK BACK AT THAT, I'M LIKE, YEAH, THAT WAS KIND OF CLICHE.
BUT, UM, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET THEM TO DO IS BRING ALL OF THE INFORMATION.
TYPICALLY WHEN A NEW APPLICANT COMES IN, WE DON'T HAVE THEM COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND INTRODUCE THEMSELVES.
WE DON'T HAVE THEM COME TO THE BOARD AND INTRODUCE THEMSELVES.
WE ASK THEM TO DO THAT SO THAT THERE WAS MORE KNOWLEDGE OUT THERE SO THAT THE PROCESS WAS MORE TRANSPARENT.
IT'S NEVER GONNA BE ENOUGH FOR EVERYBODY.
THEY'RE ALWAYS GONNA SAY, HEY, YOU COULD HAVE TOLD ME THREE DAYS BEFOREHAND OR A MONTH BEFOREHAND, BUT WE GET IT OUT THERE WHEN WE CAN.
BUT I STILL SAY THERE'S A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR THIS.
VERY PRELIMINARY, VERY PRELIMINARY.
BUT WE, WE GET YOUR, WE GET YOUR CONCERNS AND WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.
EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, LIKE JEFF SAID, THEY, THEY TOLD US IN THE BEGINNING THAT THERE'S GONNA BE NO ACCESS FROM MENNONITE ROAD.
I, I ACTUALLY WORK IN A HOSPITAL, SO FULL DISCLOSURE THERE, UM, THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT HOSPITALS, UM, CAN DO FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THIS ONE REALLY CHANGES THE DYNAMICS OF WHERE WE ARE.
UM, AND WHAT I PURCHASED MY PROPERTY FROM AND THOUGHT THAT THIS TOWNSHIP REALLY WAS PROTECTING, WELL WE WE'RE TRYING TO DO THAT.
NOW YOU GET OUTTA YOUR FRONT DOOR, WALK OVER HERE.
I DON'T, I DON'T THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
ANYBODY ELSE? YOU FOLKS ARE JUST HERE TO OBSERVE.
THAT DOES OUR AGENDA THEN JEFF, WHAT
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ABOUT FUTURE? OKAY, SO, UM, JULY 1ST WE ARE HAVING THAT MEETING.UM, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE MINOR SUBDIVISION FOR BRIDAL LANE.
UM, FOR WHICH ONE? BRI LANE? IT'S, IT'S WHERE THE, UM, THE HOUSES ARE AT.
UM, OR WHERE THE APARTMENTS ARE AT, AT PER GAMAN WOODS ACROSS THE STREET.
THEY WANNA SUBDIVIDE OFF A SMALL PORTION OF THE BACK TO GIVE TO THE NEIGHBORS THE POND.
UM, THEIR ATTORNEY ASKED ME TO HAVE THAT ON THE JULY 1ST AGENDA, BUT NOW THE LETTERS HAVE COME OUT.
I'M NOT SURE THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO DO THAT, BUT I WILL BE CLEARING THAT WITH THEM.
WE ARE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE CLUB STUDIO WAIVER REQUEST.
SHOULD BE A FAIRLY QUICK DISCUSSION.
UM, SAME THING WITH THE 1 0 6 BLACKROCK ROAD DEED RESTRICTION AS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
SHOULD BE A FAIRLY QUICK DISCUSSION.
FOX LANE WILL BE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THEIR PROPOSAL FOR, UM, ZONING ALONG BRIDGE PIKE.
I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT AT A PREVIOUS MEETING.
UM, WHAT, WHAT IT'S A MIXED USE.
IT'S A RESIDENTIAL WITH SOME RETAIL AND FOLLOW.
YOU MENTIONED IT THE LAST TIME.
AND THEN WE CAN, I, I AM HAVING THEM ON THAT MEETING BECAUSE I WANT TO SNOWBALL THAT INTO OUR DISCUSSION OF THE, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT A SMALLER SECTION OF RIDGE PIKE.
WE WANNA TALK ABOUT THE LARGER ASPECTS OF RIDGE, PIKE AND MAIN STREET.
ARE THEY OFF OF RIDGE PIKE OR ARE THEY, I THOUGHT YOU SAID THEY WERE, WERE BEHIND.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE PARCEL THAT WAS BEHIND LIDLE OR NEXT TO LID, ALL IN THAT AREA.
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HAVE ACCESS OFF OF RIDGE.UM, WE'LL HAVE ON JULY 15TH, WE'LL HAVE THE MONTCLAIR TOWNHOUSES AT WHITAKER, UH, AT BURY FARMS MINOR SUBDIVISION.
AGAIN, SOMETHING JUST ONE PARCEL SHOULD BE A FAIRLY QUICK APPLICATION.
AND I THINK WE'RE TARGETING SPOTLESS CAR WASH FOR THEIR PRELIMINARY PLAN FOR THE 15TH.
YEAH, THOSE LAST THREE WOULD BE ON THE 15TH OF JULY.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY ELAINE OTHERWISE? UM, I WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT LOVER'S LANE RECEIVED, EXCUSE ME, LOVER'S LANE RECEIVED APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON MONDAY FOR TE PRELIMINARY FINAL.
JOE, I THINK IT'S THE SAFEST WAY TO SAY IT, CORRECT.
NOT WITHOUT TI DIDN'T WANT YOU, BUT I DIDN'T SEE THAT PART.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
UM, THEN THE ALSO, UH, ARDEN WAY, ARDEN RESERVE RECEIVED THEIR TENANT LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL.
SO THOSE, THOSE TWO ARE, WELL, WE WON'T SEE LOVER'S LANE AGAIN.
AND THEN ARDEN WILL GO ON TO ITS NEXT STEP.
AND THEY AGREED TO, ON THAT ONE, THEY AGREED TO LENGTHEN THE CUL-DE-SAC.
AS WE TALKED ABOUT, READ THE DRIVEWAY AND SPLIT THE DRIVEWAY, SPLIT THE DRIVEWAYS.
UM, ALTHOUGH, WELL, JEFF, I DON'T REMEMBER THEY AGREED TO LENGTHEN THE CUL-DE-SAC.
I KNOW THEY AGREED TO SEPARATE THE DRIVEWAYS, BUT I'M NOT SURE HE AGREED TO.
I THINK THAT THE NEWS REPORT REPORTING THAT THEY AGREED TO DO THAT.
THE NEWS REPORT, THE SKETCH THAT THEY CAME IN WITH WAS LONGER THAN WHAT THEY PRESENTED TO, TO US.
WELL I THEY HAD TAKEN YOUR FEEDBACK.
YEAH, THEY HAD ALREADY MADE THAT OKAY.
ADJUSTMENT BEFORE THEY SEPARATE TO THE DIRECTOR.
LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE WE HAVE ON HERE.
UM, WE DID HAVE A, AN INTERNAL MEETING ABOUT ENGINEERING ISSUES.
WE'RE PROBABLY TALKING TWO OR THREE MONTHS FOR THOSE CLEANUP AND TO COME BACK AND, AND, YOU KNOW, GET THAT LETTER SHORTER.
WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF, UH, WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR DON DOWNSIZING AGAIN? UM, I I, THEY DIDN'T GIVE A SPECIFIC REASON, BUT MY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS PROBABLY BECAUSE OF, OF STORMWATER ISSUES AND THE LAYOUT OF IT, THAT THEY, THEY, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY HAD TO DROP DOWN TO 5 49 FROM 5 85.
UM, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT SPECIFICALLY.
THAT WASN'T ANY KIND OF REQUESTS FROM US.
UM, TO BE PERFECTLY FRANK, I SORT OF FELT THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
I DIDN'T CERTAINLY PREDICT A NUMBER, BUT I SORT OF THOUGHT THAT THEY WOULD COME DOWN.
THEY HAVE SOME ENGINEERING QUESTIONS OUT THERE.
UM, MONTCLAIR TOWNHOUSE WILL TALK ABOUT SPARES.
LANE IS ON SORT OF A PERMANENT HOLD RIGHT NOW.
UM, PROVIDENCE SELF STORAGE IS GETTING CLEANED UP.
PROSPERITY DRIVE IS REDRAWING SOME THINGS.
WE TALKED ABOUT MENNONITE ROAD.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM AMELIA STREET OTHER THAN LIKE A TECHNICAL QUESTION IN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS.
Y KEY STATION, HOPWOOD HOMES ARE NOWHERE.
JEN ISSUED A LETTER TODAY OF, OF THEIR OUTSTANDING ISSUES.
AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, A TECHNICAL MEETING ABOUT THOSE ENGINEERING ISSUES IN JULY.
BRIDAL LANE FALLS IN WITH THAT MENNONITE ROAD ENTERTAINMENT AND PICKLEBALL.
THEY HAVE BEEN ISSUED THEIR DECISION FROM THE ZONING HEARING BOARD.
THE PICKLEBALL WAS APPROVED WITH A LOT OF CONDITIONS.
SAME THING WITH THE, A LOT OF THEM ARE VERY SIMILAR TO THE CONDITIONS THAT WE IMPOSE WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE ON THE, UM, I DID PUT AN EMAIL OUT TO THEIR DEVELOPER TO, TO, UM, MS. SCOTT ABOUT WHAT SHE WANTED TO DO AND WHEN SHE WANTED TO TAKE THE NEXT STEPS.
'CAUSE THEY STILL HAVE TO GET A TENTATIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL.
AND I HAVE NOT HEARD BACK FROM HER YET.
BERRY FARM WE TALKED ABOUT, MAINLAND HOSPITAL WE TALKED ABOUT, AND THEN THE SPRINGPORT AREA SCHOOL DISTRICT HEALTH CENTER, UM, THAT MIGHT BE ON THE 15TH AS WELL FOR A HEARING, A CONDITIONAL USE HEARING IN AUGUST, BUT THEY MAY BE CHANGING THAT DATE.
SO I, THAT'S KIND OF IN A LITTLE BIT OF FLUX.
AND I PRAY THAT WE DON'T GET ANY MORE APPLICATIONS.
THANK, I'M NOT A VERY PERIPHERAL GUY, BUT JUST LITTLE LIST.
ANY QUESTIONS ON ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.
I'M NOT HEARING ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN, UH, THIS MEETING.