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OKAY, WE'RE CALL ORDER MEETING 
          [CALL TO ORDER / MOTION TO APPROVE JUNE 3, 2026 AGENDA]
JUNE 3RD, 2026. 
          UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. 
          AND WE'RE GOING TO, UH, WE'RE GOING TO START WITH, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING WHEN WE SEE THE AGENDA. 
          THERE'S, UH, QUITE A BIT OF THINGS ON THERE. 
          THERE'S, UH, GENERAL DISCUSSION, AND THEN WE'VE GOT TWO APPLICANTS TONIGHT. 
          SO, UH, ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR I'LL TAKE A VOTE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA? I ALSO MOVE FOR THE, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA. 
          ALRIGHT, SO BOB, UH, MAKE THE MOTION. 
          WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          I'LL SECOND IT. 
          ALL RIGHT, WE GOT A SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? A AYE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THE AGENDA, HOPEFULLY GOLD GOT COPIES. 
          THEY WERE ON, ON THE TABLE BACK THERE. 
          UM, SO THE NEXT THING ON THE, 
          [PUBLIC COMMENT FOR NON-AGENDA ITEMS]
UM, UH, AGENDA WILL BE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS. THESE WOULD BE THINGS THAT ARE NOT PLANNED ON THE AGENDA. 
          ANYBODY HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS, CHAIRMAN, COMMENTS, CHAIRMAN ABOUT, YOU MIGHT WANNA MENTION THE THREE MINUTES? YEAH, I'M GONNA DO THAT. 
          I WAS GONNA DO IT JUST BEFORE YOU NEED TO DO IT. 
          IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT, WE'RE IT FOR THE WHOLE MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WE, UH, WE, THIS IS NOTHING NEWS ON, IT'S ON THE WEBSITE. 
          IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE, I INSTITUTED A LONG TIME AGO, BUT WE ARE GONNA INSTITUTE TONIGHT. 
          WE HAVE A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT ON YOUR COMMENTS. 
          WE'RE GONNA HOLD YOU TO THAT. 
          AND, UH, IF THERE ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING ABOVE THAT, UH, YOU'LL HAVE TO STOP AT THAT POINT AND MOVE FORWARD. 
          JEFF, I THINK HAS THE CLOCK. 
          YOU'LL HAVE THE CLOCK UP THERE. 
          BIG, BIG, UH, BIG, UH, NUMBER. 
          SO, UH, JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND. 
          THREE MINUTES. 
          THREE MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AGAIN, NON, UH, UH, NON AGENDA. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          YES, SIR. 
          I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. 
          MR. . 
          THANKS FOR, UH, HEARING ME OUT THIS REAL QUICK. 
          I, ANOTHER A QUESTION, YOU GUYS. 
          UH, THE HASSON ROAD. 
          MY NAME'S AL SHARPIER, UH, 18 WILSON WAY. 
          UM, THIS, I WANTED OUT A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, THE ATTEND PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED FOR HASSAN, UH, ROAD IS AT 13 ROAD DEVELOPMENT, UM, IN TERMS OF THE, I MEAN, I HAD THESE THINGS HANDED OUT, BUT THERE WAS A, A, UH, UH, EASEMENT OF, OF VEGETATION THAT WAS PLACED THERE, AND IT WASN'T CLEAR WHERE THE OWNERSHIP OF THAT EASEMENT WAS. 
          RIGHT NOW IT'S ON THE PROPERTY, THE, UH, THE, THE PROPERTY OF EACH LANDOWNER WHO THEORETICALLY JUST CHOP IT ALL DOWN AND THE VEGETATION'S GONE. 
          SO I, I WAS CURIOUS WHERE, IN THAT, IN THE PROCESS WOULD I COME BACK AND, AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS OF, OF THIS EASEMENT AND IT BEING EITHER PART OF THE HOA OR IT BEING PART OF, OR THE PROPERTY OWNER JUST CHOP DOWN. 
          UM, JEFF, WHERE WE END WITH, I FORGET WE, THAT WAS TENTATIVE THE YES, IT WAS TENTATIVE. 
          THE BOARD DID APPROVE IT. 
          UM, RIGHT. 
          ALLEN AND I HAD SOME TALK CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS. 
          THE BUFFER IS ON INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES, AND HIS CONCERN IS HOW DOES THAT BUFFER STAY MAINTAINED OVER A LONG TERM? I SAID THAT, THAT WE WOULD, OUR TYPICAL LANGUAGE IS TO PUT IT THE HOA DOCUMENTS TO MAKE SURE IT GETS INTO THE HOA DOCUMENTS IN THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT THAT THEY'RE MAINTAINED. 
          UM, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF RULES ABOUT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO REMOVE PLANTS FROM THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY, BUT GENERALLY PUTTING INTO THE HOA DOCUMENTS IS OUR ONE WAY OF, OF ENSURING IT. 
          AT LEAST THEY WOULD HAVE TO ASK OR REQUEST IT IF THEY THEY PUT IT IN, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO CHANGE SOMETHING, PUT UP A FENCE OR WHATEVER, THEY WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION OR? YES, SIR. 
          I GUESS GETTING THAT INTO THE HOA, DOES THAT HANDLE LIKE, WAY DOWN THE LINE THAT, THAT IS? WELL, I'LL LET ZACH ANSWER THAT. 
          IT'S, YEAH, SO WE'LL, WE'LL INCLUDE THAT IN THE DOCUMENTATION FOR THE PROJECT. 
          RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST A TENTATIVE, THEY STILL HAVE TO GO FOR PRELIMINARY, THEN THEY HAVE TO GO FOR FINAL. 
          THEY COULD CONCEIVABLY ASK FOR PRELIMINARY SLASH FINAL. 
          UM, SO I MEAN, I, I WOULD JUST MONITOR THE AGENDAS AND SEE WHEN IT'S, WHEN IT COMES BACK UP. 
          UH, FORTUNATELY WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN THEY'RE GONNA RESUBMIT. 
          IT COULD BE IN A MONTH, IT COULD BE IN SIX MONTHS, UH, DEPENDING ON HOW THEY'RE ENGINEERING AND OTHER OUTSIDE PART, UH, APPROVALS AND THINGS ARE GOING. 
          UM, SO WE, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T REALLY GIVE YOU A SPECIFIC TIMELINE. 
          SO I THINK YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK AND, AND ASK THAT QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, THAT'S, I'LL WORK ON THE AGENDA THEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? NO AGENDA. 
          OKAY. 
          NOT HEARING 
          [GENERAL DISCUSSION ITEMS]
ANY. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE DISCUSSION POINTS. 
          UM, THE FIRST ONE IS, UH, APPROVING THE MINUTES FROM MAY 20TH, AND THEY'RE ATTACHED HERE. 
          UM, AND IF YOU KNOW, PRETTY COMPLETE TO ME, BUT ANY COMMENTS OR, UH, CORRECTIONS DISPUTES, THEN I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION. 
          WE APPROVE. 
          AND THEN THIS HAS WRITTEN. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, JERRY'S MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          I TAKE A SECOND. 
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I'LL SECOND IT, JOE, SECOND IT. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? ALL AYE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, AND THEN WE'VE GOT TWO NEW SUBMISSIONS AND HAVE COME IN, I GUESS SO SINCE THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS. 
          AND THAT MEANS CREDIBILITY. 
          HOLD ON. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE SOME RANDOM BEEPING GOING ON. 
          I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT'S, IT HAS STOPPED. 
          SO WE'RE ALL, YOU KNOW, THAT SEEMS TO BE HAPPEN TO ME A LOT. 
          THAT SEEMS TO HAVE A LOT, UM, PLAN SUBMISSIONS. 
          IT LOOK LIKE MAINLINE HEALTH HAS COME IN AND I THINK THAT'S DONE ON, UH, 29, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          UM, MAINLINE HEALTH HAS SUBMITTED A, A PROPOSAL FOR A HOSPITAL. 
          UM, THEY'RE ACTUALLY HERE TONIGHT. 
          THEY WANTED TO, UM, IT'S SUCH A BIG PROJECT. 
          THEY WANT TO COME IN AND SAY HELLO, INTRODUCE THEMSELVES. 
          SO ALLISON IS HERE AND I'LL, I'LL LET HER GIVE US ALL THE MAIN INFORMATION, THE MAIN INFORMATION. 
          YOU GET THAT MAIN MAINLAND HEALTH MAIN INFORMATION. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          IT MUST BE MAIN, IT MUST BE THE MAIN. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          UM, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          ALISON Z ON BEHALF OF MAINLINE HEALTH. 
          I'M HERE THIS EVENING WITH THE MAINLINE HEALTH TEAM. 
          UM, STARTING FROM THE BACK WE HAVE DOUG WILLIAMS, UH, MIKE GAN AND CORY BETS. 
          AND, UM, IN THE FRONT ROW WE HAVE LINDSEY BRAYER FOR BOULDER ENGINEERING, WHO'S THE CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT. 
          AND, UM, DENISE THOMPSON, WHO'S, UH, FROM THE ARCHITECT PLANNING FIRM FOR THE PROJECT FCA. 
          UM, SO WE'VE SUBMITTED A PLAN, UM, FOR A APPROXIMATELY 42 ACRE SITE THAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN AT THE CORNER OF, UH, ROUTE 10 29 AND, UH, ARCOLA ROAD. 
          THIS IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER, UM, WHICH WOULD BE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PLAN. 
          ARCOLA ROAD BEING THE ROAD THAT'S SHOWING ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PLAN AS WELL. 
          UM, CADDY CORNER ACROSS THE INTERSECTION OF 29. 
          AND ARCOLA ROAD IS MAINLAND HOUSE EXISTING, UH, FACILITY IN THE TOWNSHIP. 
          SO, UM, THIS LOCATION IS A GOOD LOCATION FOR THEM. 
          IT IS PROXIMATE TO WHERE THEY ARE TODAY. 
          UM, THE OTHER CORNER OF, UH, 29 AND COLA ROAD UP, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THE FI PFIZER DOW CAMPUS, UM, NEXT TO THIS SITE, UM, UH, ABUTTING IT, UH, ON 29 IS THE PATIENT FIRST. 
          UM, AND THEN ON THE TOP OF THE PLAN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS, UH, MENNONITE ROAD. 
          UM, A PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY DOES HAVE FRONTAGE ON MENNONITE ROAD, AND THERE IS AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UP THERE TODAY. 
          UM, THE SITE IS CURRENTLY SPLIT ZONE, SO THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE IS ZONED I OH THREE DISTRICT. 
          UM, AND THE, UM, SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING ON MENNONITE ROAD IS ZONED R ONE DISTRICT. 
          UH, WE HAVE FILED THREE DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME. 
          WE ARE PROPOSING A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT, UM, AND MAP AMENDMENT TO ALLOW THIS PROPERTY TO UTILIZE THE INSTITUTIONAL OVERLAY DISTRICT. 
          UM, THE INSTITUTIONAL OVERLAY DISTRICT TODAY DOES ALLOW A HOSPITAL BY CONDITIONAL USE HOSPITAL FACILITIES. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S WHAT IS PROPOSED ON THE SITE. 
          I'M GONNA HAVE LINDSEY GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE. 
          UM, WE ALSO THEN FILED OUR CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION AND A TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN APPLICATION. 
          SO THE PLAN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS A TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN, BUT THIS IS ALSO WHAT I'LL CALL A MASTER PLAN FOR THE SITE. 
          UM, YOU'RE SHOWING WHAT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY THE, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS POTENTIALLY THE FULL BUILD OUT OF THE SITE. 
          WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT AS PHASE ONE. 
          PHASE ONE WOULD JUST BE A HOSPITAL BUILDING, UH, NOT THE OTHER THINGS YOU'RE SEEING ON HERE WITH 108 BEDS AND SURFACE PARKING. 
          UM, BUT I CAN HAVE LINDSEY JUST GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE FULL BUILD OUT. 
          WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO COME IN AND GIVE YOU PREVIEW BEFORE WE COME BACK TO YOU AND GET INTO THE NITTY GRITTY. 
          AND WE'RE, WE'RE OF COURSE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS WELL. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. 
          UM, MY NAME IS LINDSAY BRAGAR. 
          I'M WITH BOWLER, THE CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT. 
          UM, SO ALLISON GAVE A PRETTY GOOD OVERVIEW OF THE EXISTING SITE TODAY. 
          UM, JUST TO ADD TO THAT, UM, I KNOW SHE HAD MENTIONED IT'S ABOUT 42 ACRES, UM, GAVE THE LOCATION. 
          UM, THERE, THERE IS SOME, UM, EXISTING NATURAL RESOURCES ON SITE JUST TO, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST TO SHARE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE HAVE ON THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, SO YES, PERF YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO IS IT ONE WITH THE RED LINE? NOT GREAT. 
          I'LL JUST SPEAK TO IT. 
          THANK YOU, . 
          WE DO THIS EVERY TIME AND WE NEVER EVER THOUGHT THAT I WILL BRING ONE THIS TIME. 
          NEVER WANTED, SO, OKAY. 
          SO THIS, THIS SITE IS ORIENTED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM THE PREVIOUS SLIDE 
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THAT WAS UP, BUT BASICALLY THIS IS NORTH, UH, PLANT NORTH IS, UH, PLAN NORTH. 
          SO OUR COLA ROAD IS, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE THE PROP, THE TOWN CENTER JUST TO THE SOUTH. 
          AND THEN ARCOLA ROAD RUNS LIKE, UH, FROM THE NORTH NORTHWEST TO THE SOUTHEAST OF THE SITE. 
          SO ON THE PROPERTY ALONG THE NORTHWESTERN PROPERTY LINE, THERE ARE A FEW TRIBUTARIES THAT, UM, FLOW IN THAT LOCATION. 
          THEY GO TO THE PER AND CREEK. 
          UM, THERE'S ALSO SOME WETLANDS ASSOCIATED WITH 'EM AND SOME NATURALLY OCCURRING STEEP SLOPES. 
          WE ARE STAYING AWAY FROM THAT AREA. 
          UM, SO WE'RE MAINTAINING, MAINTAINING THAT CREEK, MAINTAINING THE WETLANDS AND THOSE NATURALLY OCCURRING STEEP SLOPES. 
          THERE'S ALSO SOME FLOOD PLAIN AREAS IN THAT LOCATION AS WELL. 
          AGAIN, MAIN MAINTAINING THAT EXISTING CONFIGURATION. 
          WE'RE ALSO MAINTAINING, THERE'S TWO EXISTING STORMWATER BASINS ON THE PROPERTY. 
          THE ONE WAS BUILT FOR WHEN THE ROUNDABOUT WAS BUILT. 
          UM, SO IT'S JUST ADJACENT TO THE ROUNDABOUT ON OUR COLA THAT WILL BE STAYING AS IS. 
          AND THEN THERE IS ALSO A STORMWATER BASIN AT ARCOLA AND COLLEGEVILLE. 
          UM, AND THAT WAS FOR SOME OF THOSE PENNDOT IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAD HAPPENED ON COLLEGEVILLE. 
          SO THAT'S STAYING AS WELL ON SITE. 
          THERE'S NO CHANGES TO EITHER OF THOSE STORMWATER SYSTEMS. UM, AS YOU PROBABLY ARE AWARE, THERE'S SIGNIFICANT GRADE CHANGE THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, SO YOU KNOW, A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, UH, DOES DRAIN TO THE COLLEGEVILLE ROAD IN THAT STORMWATER BASIN, BUT THEN THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE ACTUALLY DRAINS PLAN NORTH TO THOSE TRIBUTARIES INTO MENNONITE ROAD. 
          AND THEN YOU CAN GO OVER TO THE YEP. 
          OR CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE RENDERING? PERFECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE PROPOSED PLAN. 
          AS ALLISON SAID, THIS IS LIKE OUR MASTER PLAN. 
          THIS IS OUR FULL BUILD OUT PLAN, UM, IN THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY IN THE LIGHT TAN, THE TAN COLOR IS THE PROPOSED HOSPITAL. 
          UM, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 500, 500,000 SQUARE FEET, FIVE STORIES AND A BASEMENT THAT, WITH THAT GRAY CHANGE THAT I WAS JUST MENTIONING, THE BASEMENT IS INTENDED TO REALLY BE LIKE A WALKOUT BASEMENT. 
          SO WE'LL, WE'LL KIND OF LOSE SOME OF THAT GRAY CHANGE AROUND THE BUILDING. 
          IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'S TWO, UH, MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT ARE JUST TWO PLANNED RIGHT OF THAT HOSPITAL BUILDING. 
          ONE IS INTENDED TO BE 80,000 SQUARE FEET, AND THE OTHER IS 60,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          THEY'RE BOTH FOUR STORIES. 
          IN ADDITION TO THOSE, UM, THE HOSPITAL BUILDING AND THE TWO MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDINGS THERE, THE, THE SITE IS SURROUNDED BY PARKING. 
          SO THERE ARE ABOUT 700, 800 SURFACE PARKING SPACES ON, ON THIS FULL BUILD OUT. 
          AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE DO HAVE TWO PARKING STRUCTURES SHOWN IN, UM, THE TAN, UH, COLOR AS WELL ON BOTH TO THE RIGHT AND LEFT OF THE HOSPITAL BUILDING. 
          SO, UM, AND THAT'S REALLY INTENDED TO, TO SERVE THE, THE HOSPITAL AND THOSE TWO MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT I'M SPEAKING OF. 
          AS FAR AS ACCESS IS CONCERNED, THERE ARE THREE MAIN ACCESS POINTS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THE SITE. 
          THE, THE MAIN ACCESS WILL BE WHAT WE'D BE CREATING A FOURTH LEG TO THAT EXISTING SIGNALIZE INTERSECTION AT ARCOLA AND THE TOWN CENTER. 
          UM, SO THAT WOULD BE A SIGNALIZE FULL MOVEMENT ACCESS. 
          THE OTHER TWO ACCESS POINTS, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, TO THE RIGHT AND LEFT OF THE, UH, OF THE SIGNALIZE ACCESS, THEY WOULD BOTH BE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT LOCATE ACCESS POINTS. 
          WERE STILL RUNNING THROUGH TRAFFIC STUDIES NUMBERS COUNTS RIGHT NOW, UM, BUT IT CURRENTLY WRITE AND WRITE OUT MOVEMENTS AND LIKELY WILL BE REQUIRING SOME RIGHT TURN LANES INTO THE SITE AS WELL. 
          UM, AS FAR AS, UH, LANDSCAPE AND LIGHTING IS CONCERNED, WE'RE INTENDING TO MEET THE TOWNSHIP CODE WILL BE COMPLYING WITH THE LANDSCAPE STANDARDS, THE LIGHTING STANDARDS, AS WELL AS ALL OF THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS THAT YOUR TOWNSHIP AND THE DEP REQUIRES. 
          STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, WE'RE ANTICIPATING HAVING SOME ABOVE GROUND AS WELL AS BELOW GROUND, UH, STORM WATER STRUCTURES, UM, IN ORDER TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO NOTE ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THE SITE, THERE'S THAT EXISTING ASPHALT TRAIL. 
          RIGHT NOW WE ARE INTENDING TO MAINTAIN THAT TRAIL. 
          IF WE DO NEED TO, UM, INSTALL A RIGHT TURN LANE OR MODIFY AN ACCESS POINT, WE'D BE REPLACING THE TRAIL. 
          SO THAT TRAIL WILL, WILL REMAIN, UM, WITH THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. 
          UM, AND IF I COULD JUST TAKE YOU THROUGH THE SITE, UM, A LITTLE BIT JUST TO INDICATE SOME OF THE DROP OFF AREAS. 
          SO IF YOU COME IN THROUGH THE SIGNAL AS ACCESS POINT, WHICH IS THE, THE CENTER OF THE SITE HERE, UM, JUST, JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THE HOSPITAL BUILDING, IT'S LIKE THE MAIN DROP OFF AREA. 
          AND THEN IF YOU GO AROUND TO 
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THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, UM, THERE IS AN AMBULANCE DROP OFF, UM, ALONG WITH SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING. 
          UM, AND THEN IF YOU CONTINUE AROUND, UM, WHICH WOULD BE THE PLAN, UH, LEFT OF THE BUILDING, THERE IS A LOADING AREA. 
          WE REALLY TRIED TO TUCK THAT LOADING AREA AWAY FROM, UM, ANY OF THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTS. 
          UM, SO IT'S, THAT'S WHY WE POSITIONED IT, UH, ON THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          WE ALSO DID TRY TO PULL THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT, UM, PLAN SOUTH TO TRY TO KEEP AS MUCH OF A BUFFER AS WE COULD AROUND THAT EXISTING, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS TO THE, TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE AS WELL. 
          SO RIGHT NOW, FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE CLOSEST POINT OF THE, ANY CURB LINE AROUND THAT NORTHERN SIDE OF THE SITE, WE HAVE, UH, AT THE, THE SMALLEST POINT, IT'S ABOUT 77 FEET. 
          SO WE INTEND TO LIKE HEAVILY PLANT AND BUFFER THAT AREA TO, TO SHIELD US FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S ADJACENT TO US. 
          UM, AND THEN ONE LAST THING TO NOTE IS THAT WE DO, YOU'LL SEE ON THE PLAN, WE DO SHOW AN ACCESS POINT TO MENNONITE ROAD THAT IS INTENDED TO BE CHAINED OFF. 
          IT'S ONLY FOR EMERGENCY PURPOSES ONLY IF OUR BULLET WAS CLOSED FOR SOME REASON, SINCE OUR OTHER THREE ACCESS POINTS ARE TO THAT ROAD, UM, WE DID NEED TO HAVE, IN SPEAKING WITH, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE CHIEF, WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER ACCESS LOCATION, BUT THAT IS NOT INTENDED TO BE USED ON A REGULAR BASIS ONLY FOR EMERGENCIES. 
          SO THAT'S THE GENERAL OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT. 
          UM, WE CAN GO TO THE RENDERINGS IF THAT WORKS. 
          SO, OH YEAH, GO AHEAD. 
          UH, FOR ONE I SHOULD SAY, UM, YOU MENTIONED THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          IS THAT PER FLOOR OR PER BUILDING BUILDING? SO THE HOSPITAL, WHEN IT'S FULLY BUILT OUT, ALL FIVE FLOORS PLUS BASEMENT IS THE 500,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND THEN THE TWO MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDINGS, THE ONE IS 80,000 SQUARE FEET, SO THAT'S TOTAL FOUR, FOUR FLOORS. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER IS 60,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          I A LOT OF QUESTIONS, BUT I'M GONNA HOLD UNTIL WHEN YOU GUYS COME BACK AND, YOU KNOW, TILL WE CAN GET YOU OFFICIALLY ON THE PLANE. 
          I'M GONNA, YEAH, THIS, IT WAS JUST AN INTRODUCTION. 
          WE HAVE NOT REVIEWED ANYTHING AT THIS POINT. 
          THAT'S WHY I'M GONNA HOLD THE QUESTION. 
          LET'S JUST, I THINK I USED MY THREE MINUTES. 
          IF I ALSO THREE MINUTES. 
          SORRY. 
          WELL IF YOU DID YOU RUN OUT AND GRABBED IT? TAKE BEFORE I SHOW THE RENT, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? LIKE I SAID, THIS, THE TOTAL YOU GUYS GET BACK. 
          WE'LL, JUST, THIS IS JUST INTRODUCTION. 
          OKAY. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          AND THEN THESE ARE JUST SOME GENERIC RENDERINGS THAT WE PUT TOGETHER. 
          UM, SO THIS IS INTENDED TO BE THE PHASE ONE, JUST SHOWING THE HOSPITAL AND, AND PHASE ONE WOULD JUST BE SURFACE PARKING. 
          AND THEN, UM, THE NEXT RENDERING, THIS WOULD BE THE, THE FULL BUILD OUT WITH THE, THE HOSPITAL, THE TWO MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDINGS, PARKING GARAGES, AND SURFACE PARKING. 
          AND JUST TO ADD THAT THE ACTUAL PHASING OVER TIME, THIS WOULD BE OVER LIKE THE AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          THIS WOULDN'T BE, YOU KNOW, IMMEDIATE ONE PHASE RIGHT AFTER ANOTHER. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? NEXT ONE TOLD YOU GUYS GET BACK, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S, BUT PROBABLY A LOT OF QUESTIONS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          LET THESE PEOPLE DO THEIR JOB AND UH, WE WILL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH SO EASILY. 
          I KNOW NEXT TIME I'LL BE READY, . 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'LL GET ONE WORK. 
          ALRIGHT, JUST SO WE HAVE TO JUST, UH, JUST SAY WE ACCEPT THIS, UH, THIS PLAN. 
          SO NOTHING FORMAL. 
          YEAH, NOTHING FORMAL TODAY. 
          THE OFFICIAL START DATE. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? WE ACCEPT IT GUYS. 
          EVERYBODY'S COOL WITH THE NEXT STEPS, MOVING IT FORWARD. 
          OKAY. 
          LOOKS NICE. 
          YEP. 
          UM, AND THEN WE HAVE THE SPRING FORWARD SCHOOL DISTRICT. 
          SPRING FORWARD SCHOOL DISTRICT IS ALSO PROVIDING A MEDICAL FACILITY TO A MUCH SMALLER SCALE. 
          UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING A, A HEALTH CENTER BUILDING AT 1 99 OR, OR 1 99 BECHTEL ROAD. 
          UM, IT'S FOR THEIR USE ONLY AS A PROPERTY THEY OWN, THERE WAS ALREADY A SCHOOL THERE. 
          THEY HAVE TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE FIRST, SO THEY PUT IN THAT APPLICATION. 
          UM, THEY'LL BE BACK IN A COUPLE WEEKS TO TO TALK ABOUT IT SPECIFICALLY, BUT THIS IS THEIR PLAN MOVING FORWARD TO BUILD A MODULAR BUILDING FOR A, A SMALL HEALTH FACILITY FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT OR MOVE FORWARD? WE'LL ACCEPT THAT ONE TOO. 
          OKAY, EVERYBODY. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          JEFF. 
          WE'LL, UH, WE, WE'LL THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN WE'LL MOVE TO THE, ACTUALLY 
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I DID NOT MAKE A SLIDE FOR THIS, BUT THE, UM, ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT, THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT FOR THE DATA CENTER. 
          UM, AS WE ALL KNOW, DATA CENTERS ARE A HOT TOPIC RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, AND THE COUNTY HAS PRODUCED A, IT'S A MODEL ORDINANCE LANGUAGE. 
          ZACH AND I HAVE LOOKED AT IT. 
          WE'VE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND MODIFIED A FEW THINGS, TWEAKED A FEW THINGS THAT WE THINK WOULD WORK BETTER FOR THE TOWNSHIP. 
          UM, WE, WE ACKNOWLEDGE IT'S NOT PERFECT, BUT WE ACKNOW, BUT WE, WE WANT TO GET SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS TO START. 
          UM, THE SUPERVISORS ARE HAVING A HEARING ABOUT THIS ON, UM, THE 15TH, NO, I'M SORRY, THE 15TH. 
          15TH OF JUNE. 
          AND, UM, THEY WILL BE, YOU KNOW, HAVING A HEARING AND TALKING ABOUT IT THEN, UM, WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION FROM YOU. 
          I KNOW IT'S SORT OF A THICK ORDINANCE. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF TECHNICAL ISSUES IN IT, A LOT OF STUFF THAT I DON'T THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND, BUT ARE THINGS THAT THE DATA CENTERS, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY NEED, AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT IN THE POSITION TO SAY NO DATA CENTERS, IT'S JUST NOT OUR INTERPRETATION OF OUR ZONING. 
          BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE ARE LIMITED TO A CERTAIN AREA TO WHERE IT IS LEAST IMPACTFUL. 
          AND, UH, THE EASIEST ON THE TOWNSHIP, IF WE'RE TO ONE TO COME IN, IT'S THE M TWO DISTRICT, WHICH GENERALLY THAT IS THE EXPO CENTER AREA. 
          UM, FEDEX, THAT AREA OF TOWN, SORT OF THE INDUSTRIAL HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AREA. 
          UM, WE WILL BE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THIS. 
          I NOTICED THAT SENATOR MO IS IN THE AUDIENCE. 
          SHE DOES HAVE AN ORDINANCE OUT, SOME ORDINANCE DRAFTS OUT THOUGH, AND WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THAT AND COMPARE THOSE A LITTLE BIT AND SEE HOW THAT WORKS. 
          BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, WE WOULD LIKE TO GET SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS BECAUSE WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. 
          WE DO HAVE A DATA CENTER IN TOWN WE TALKED ABOUT OVER AT GLAXOSMITHKLINE. 
          UM, IT'S MUCH SMALLER THAN EVERY PROPOSAL YOU HEAR AROUND HERE, BUT THIS ORDINANCE DOES PROTECT THAT DATA CENTER FROM NOT, IT DOESN'T MAKE IT A NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE OR NON-CONFORMING USE, BUT IT DOES LIMIT THE EXPANSION OF THAT. 
          THIS ALSO LIMITS THE, UH, WHERE IT CAN GO IN THE TOWNSHIP. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD, ZACH? UM, I, I WOULD JUST ADD THAT I, I WOULD REEMPHASIZE THE POINT THAT YOU RAISED JEFF, THAT, YOU KNOW, UNDER PENNSYLVANIA LAW WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO JUST SAY, HEY, WE DON'T WANT THIS USE, UM, WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP. 
          AND REALLY THIS IS MEANT TO KIND OF ESTABLISH SOME SAFEGUARDS AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS USE IS GOING IN LOCATIONS THAT ARE, THAT ARE SUITED FOR THE USE THAN IN, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER PROPERTY A DEVELOPER MAY ACQUIRE AND SAY, HEY, I HAVE THE ACREAGE HERE, LET'S JUST PUT IT HERE EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL HOUSES AROUND OR WHATNOT. 
          AND, UM, IT ALSO PUTS IN A LOT OF STANDARDS AND THINGS THAT, UH, ANY DEVELOPER THAT WERE TO THAT IF THEY WERE TO COME INTO THE TOWNSHIP AND WANT TO DEVELOP THIS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO REALLY ESTABLISH, GO THROUGH A RIGOROUS PROCESS OF ESTABLISHING THAT THIS IS, WE'RE GOING TO MINIMIZE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORS AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. 
          UM, SO I KNOW THAT THIS IS A HOT BUTTON ISSUE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE RIGHT NOW. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS IS REALLY INTENDED TO PROTECT THE TOWNSHIP AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS GOING IN A, A DESIRED LOCATION RATHER THAN A LOCATION WHERE THEY JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE ENOUGH LAND. 
          AND I, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DO THIS FOR THE TOWNSHIP AND I THINK THIS IS A GREAT MOVE FORWARD. 
          AND IT'S PRETTY DETAILED. 
          I'VE READ IT FROM START TO FINISH AND, AND YES, IT PROTECTS WHERE THE POTENTIAL DATA CENTERS MIGHT, UH, BE PROPOSED, BUT IT ALSO, I THINK DOES PROVIDE SOME RESTRICTIONS IN TERMS OF ALL THE ISSUES THAT YOU HEAR ABOUT ON THE NEWS ABOUT ELECTRICITY AND WATER AND, UH, EMISSIONS. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL HERE AND I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GOOD START AND I REALLY RECOMMEND THAT, UH, UH, THE SUPERVISORS LOOK AT IT CLOSELY AND, AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. 
          AND IT CAN ALWAYS CHANGE, RIGHT? BUT THERE'S A LOT THIS, I THINK WE NEED SOMETHING TO PUT A STAKE IN THE GROUND TO HAVE SOMETHING ON RECORD SO THAT, UH, WE ARE SOMEWHAT PROTECTED, UH, IN TERMS OF WHERE AND HOW THERE, THERE'S STILL A LOT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE IMPACTS AND, AND I THINK THAT THIS, THIS ORDINANCE CAN EVOLVE AS AS WE NEED IT TO CORRECT. 
          UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE COUNTY LETTER THAT WAS IN THE PACKET, THEIR REVIEW, UM, HAD A FEW MINOR CHANGES. 
          UM, WE, WE MADE THOSE CHANGES. 
          MOSTLY GRAMMATICAL, MOSTLY NOTHING TECHNICAL, NOTHING SUBSTANTIVE REALLY. 
          UM, IT DID ALSO TALK ABOUT A SECTION OF, UM, WHAT WOULD, WHAT WERE TO HAPPEN IF THE DATA CENTER WERE TO GO AWAY. 
          ZACH AND I CHOSE NOT TO INCLUDE THAT BECAUSE WE REALLY THOUGHT IT WAS NOT DEFENSIBLE FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT OF WHETHER IT'S DATA CENTER OR NOT. 
          YOU CAN'T CONTROL WHAT HAPPENS TO A BUILDING IF SOMEONE WERE TO ABANDON IT OTHER THAN PROPERTY MAINTENANCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THE THINGS IT CALLS FOR IN THERE WERE A LITTLE ABOVE AND BEYOND I THINK WHAT, WHAT WE CAN REALLY DO AS A TOWNSHIP. 
          AGAIN, NOT SAYING WE CAN'T PUT IT IN LATER IF WE SUB CHOOSE, BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, THIS IS OUR, THAT WAS OUR DETERMINATION. 
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AND THESE A GREAT START. 
          WHERE'S THE, UH, UP ON TROUTMAN ROAD, JEFF, WHERE THE CURRENT SMALL DATA CENTER IS, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          SO TROPMAN YEP. 
          WHO OWNS THAT PROPERTY? UH, THAT BIG PIECE, THE BIG PIECE TO THE RIGHT OF THIS. 
          YEAH, THAT'S OWNED BY GLAXO SMITH. 
          THAT'S GSK. 
          NOW THE, THE DATA CENTER ITSELF STARTED AS A GSK STRUCTURE. 
          I THINK YOU WERE ON THE PLAN MISSION AT THE TIME. 
          UM, IT STARTED AS NOBODY KNEW WHAT, RIGHT? WE, WE, WE HAD NO IDEA. 
          BUT THAT STARTED AS, AS A GLAXO GSK BUILDING, GSK CONSTRUCTION GSK OPERATION. 
          UM, THEY, AT THE TIME EVEN ADMITTED THIS, THAT THEY WERE GONNA BE SPINNING THAT OFF, AND NOW IT'S OWNED BY A COMPANY FLEX NET, I THINK. 
          UM, WHICH I, I I DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE, BUT, BUT, BUT MY QUESTION IS, SINCE THAT ONE, IS THERE, DOES THAT GIVE PRECEDENCE IN THAT AREA OR DOES THAT GIVE ANY KIND OF GRANDFATHER TO SAY, HEY, THERE'S ALREADY ONE HERE, THIS AREA, THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S, DOES THAT GIVE ANY KIND OF, UH, WIGGLE THAT THEY CAN SAY, WE WANT TO PUT ONE ACROSS THE STREET? NO, NOW IT, THE WAY THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE AMENDED, IT WOULD STILL BE A, A CONFORMING USE BECAUSE IT ALLOWS FOR SMALL DATA CENTERS ON COMPANY PROPERTY. 
          SO LIKE AXO STARTED OUT, THEY STARTED OUT AS USING IT AS THEIR DATA CENTER. 
          IF PFIZER WANTED TO COME TO US AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA CONVERT THIS BUILDING HERE TO A DATA CENTER, THEY COULD STILL DO THAT. 
          FLEXIBILITY FOR BUSINESS, I THINK IS ALSO IMPORTANT IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. 
          BUT WHAT THE BRIDGET COLLEGE BILL COULDN'T DO NOW, WHICH IS THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THE PFIZER SITE, THEY COULDN'T COME IN AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE PUTTING A $1.9 MILLION SQUARE FOOT DATA CENTER HERE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE CORRECT ZONING DISTRICT. 
          OKAY. 
          AGAIN, I WAS JUST CONCERNED ABOUT IT ALREADY BEING UP THERE. 
          THEN IT WAS SOME SORT OF, HEY, THIS AREA'S ALREADY BEEN EXPANDING. 
          THAT USE IS NOT OKAY. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S FEASIBLE. 
          OKAY. 
          JEFF, I WAS JUST CURIOUS, ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS IN HERE, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE'S A LOT, IT DEVELOPABLE ACREAGE IS GREATER THAN 25 ACRES. 
          ARE THERE ANY PARCELS LEFT IN THE TOWNSHIP OF THAT MAGNITUDE RIGHT NOW? THERE THERE'S A FEW. 
          UM, THERE'S A SECTION OF M1. 
          WHEN I WAS, WHEN WE WERE WORKING IN THIS ORDINANCE, WE, WE DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE IT POSSIBLE TO BUILD THIS, I MEAN, THAT PART OF CRAFTING ORDINANCE IS YOU DON'T WANT TO OPEN YOURSELF UP TO A LEGAL CHALLENGE. 
          SO THERE ARE AREAS THAT ARE DEVELOPED THAT ARE USED CURRENTLY THAT ARE LARGER THAN 25 ACRES IN M TWO. 
          UM, IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF WHAT A DEVELOPER IS WILLING TO DO TO BUILD IT. 
          WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LIMERICK SITES, A LOT OF THOSE ARE ABANDONED FACILITIES. 
          THE PO GROVE SITE, I CAN NEVER REMEMBER IF IT'S EAST OR WEST POS GROVE WITH WHERE THEY'RE THE, UM, WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING ONE. 
          IT IS, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE SITES THAT ARE NOT USED, THEY'RE ABANDONED. 
          THESE ALMOST EVERYTHING IN M TWO IS CURRENTLY AN ACTIVE LAND USE. 
          WELL, THAT'S WHAT, THAT WAS MY POINT BECAUSE THAT PIECE PROPERTY UP TALKING ABOUT ON TR BEHIND SMITH CLINE LEASED FOR OH, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THE ACRES. 
          ACRES, BUT I WOULD SAY 40 DECIDE TO SELL THAT AND WANTED TO SAY WE WERE GONNA SELL IT TO GOOGLE OR WHATEVER, THEN THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM. 
          BUT IT IS NOT ZONED CORRECTLY. 
          IT'S IT'S NOT WITHIN THE M1. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING. 
          RIGHT. 
          I THAT OKAY. 
          YOU MADE THAT CLEAR. 
          I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S A BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S STILL SITTING THERE. 
          SAME THING, THE MAIN LINE HEALTH, THEY JUST MENTIONED THAT IT WAS 42, THAT'S A PROPERTY THAT IT WAS ZONED CORRECTLY COULD GO, BUT IT'S NOT HAS OUT THE CORRECT. 
          HAS OUT THE CORRECT. 
          AND THAT GIVES THE, THAT GIVES THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ULTIMATE CONTROL. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE TO HEAR A ZONING CHANGE. 
          RIGHT. 
          IF, IF, IF WE DECIDE, IF, IF THE SUPERVISORS DECIDE THEY'RE NOT HEARING IT, THEY JUST SAY, NO, THANK YOU. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A HEARING. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING. 
          SO WHAT DO WE NEED YOU TO DO NOW WITH THIS AUDIENCE COMMENTS AND THEN, UM, A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS, UH, PROPOSED, UH, TEXT AMENDMENT? ANYONE? I AM ASSUMING I'M ALLOWED TO COMMENT EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT A RESIDENT, BUT I REPRESENT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR RULES ARE, SO I DON'T WANT TO BREAK THE RULES. 
          I'M FINE WITH IT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I'M, I'M STATE SENATOR KATIE MOTH. 
          I REPRESENT OVER PROVIDENCE, THE STATE SENATE. 
          UM, I, UH, I DON'T HAVE A COPY OF YOUR ORDINANCE. 
          IS IT ONLINE? IT WAS INCLUDED WITH THE, THE PACKET. 
          YOU CAN TAKE ONE HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE WE ASKED FOR AN EARLIER DATE AND I DIDN'T KNOW. 
          OH, THAT'S OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S, UM, THAT'S FINE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I, I JUST HAVE A FEW COMMENTS AND I'M HAPPY TO SEND DOCUMENTATION, UM, TO SHOW, UH, THIS ISN'T MY OPINION, BUT RATHER A RESEARCHED, UM, EFFORT. 
          SO FOR EXACTLY ONE YEAR NOW, SENATE DISTRICT 44 HAS BEEN A MASSIVE TARGET 
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FOR HYPERSCALE DATA CENTERS. 
          AND YOUR TOWNSHIP IS ONE OF 'EM, UM, SPECIFICALLY CLOSER TO THE CROMBIE SITE. 
          SO, UM, THAT CROMBIE SITE, YOU SHOULD BE KEEPING A VERY CLOSE EYE ON, UH, IT'S AN ACTIVE PICO SUBSTATION, BUT IT IS A, UH, IDENTIFIED, UH, PROPERTY THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE A GAS FIRED POWER PLAN. 
          AND SO WHILE THAT'S NOT YOUR, UM, AREA, IT'S ACROSS THE RIVER, IT WOULD IMPACT YOUR RESIDENCE. 
          UM, SO THE OTHER PIECE, UM, THAT I WANNA ADDRESS BEFORE I FORGET IS THE DECOMMISSIONING PIECE IS LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE. 
          AND I CAN SEND YOU LANGUAGE FROM THE OFFICE OF ATTORNEY GENERAL WHO MADE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS IN SEVERAL HOUSE REPRESENTATIVES HEARINGS. 
          AND, UH, THAT SAME LANGUAGE IS ALSO IN A, A SENATE BILL THAT I HAVE THE RATE PAYER PROTECTION ACT, SENATE BILL 1114. 
          THAT IT'S THEIR LANGUAGE, THEIR, THEIR TEAM WROTE IT, NOT, NOT ME, NOT THE SENATE, IT'S THE OFFICE OF ATTORNEY GENERAL. 
          UM, HAPPY TO SHARE THAT LANGUAGE. 
          IT IS AN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT, UM, PART OF YOUR ORDINANCE THAT YOU NEED TO INCLUDE AS PENNSYLVANIA IS NUMBER ONE IN THE NATION FOR SUPERFUND SITES, AND THAT'S NOT INCLUDING BROWNFIELDS. 
          SO, UM, TO HAVE A MESS TO CLEAN UP. 
          WE, THE PEOPLE, THE TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY OF OUR OWN, UH, DOLLARS TO CLEAN UP THE MESS OF PREVIOUS OPERATORS, EXTRACTORS, CORPORATIONS THAT HAVE USED THE RESOURCES OF THE COMMONWEALTH AND HAVE LEFT A GIANT, GIANT MESS BEHIND FROM SOUTHWEST PA TO, TO PHILADELPHIA. 
          UM, AND SO THAT CROMBIE SITE IS AN ACTIVE BROWNFIELD. 
          SO IN TERMS OF YOUR RESIDENTS HAVING AIR QUALITY ISSUES, IF THAT SITE SHOULD HAVE EARTH MOVED, UM, I WOULD, MY HOPE IS THAT ALL MY TOWNSHIPS, ALL MY MUNICIPALITIES, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKE THE PROTECTIVE ROUTE AND I UNDERSTAND THE, UM, FINANCIAL, UH, WOES MAY BE ASSOCIATED WITH HAVING AN APPEAL TO A DECISION YOU MAKE. 
          I KNOW YOU'RE JUST A RECOMMEND RECOMMENDING BOARD. 
          YOU'RE VERY IMPORTANT THOUGH. 
          YOUR, YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS VERY IMPORTANT. 
          UM, BUT AS A TOWNSHIP TO HAVE A LEGAL CHALLENGE AND, UH, THERE IS YET TO BE SOME, UH, COURT PRECEDENT. 
          UH, THAT'S, THERE'S A FEW CASES THAT HAVE ACTUALLY, UH, MADE IT THROUGH, DEPENDING ON ZONING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND IN THE NORTHEAST WHERE THE MUNICIPALITY DECLINED THESE DEVELOPMENTS AND THEY, THE, THEIR DECISIONS HAVE BEEN UPHELD. 
          I'M SURE THEY'LL BE APPEALED TO A COMMONWEALTH COURT. 
          BUT THERE IS NO COURT PRECEDENT ON THIS LAND USE FOR, FROM, FROM A SUPREME COURT PERSPECTIVE, THERE IS COURT PRECEDENT AT THE COMMONWEALTH COURT LEVEL TO UPHOLD A 2,500 FOOT SETBACK FROM RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS. 
          AND THAT COMES FROM WESTERN PENNSYLVANIA, UM, WHERE I GREW UP ACTUALLY, UM, IN WHAT I CALL FRACK LAND. 
          IT'S LOT OF HEAVY GAS AND OIL OPERATIONS, NOT LIKE OUR AREA, BUT THEY HAVE HAD, UH, SUCCESS EVEN BEING SUED BY RANGE RESOURCES. 
          UM, THE ENTITY THAT PROVIDES GAS TO ENERGY TRANSFER SONOCO AND, AND HAVE WON THAT TWICE. 
          SO THAT IS, THERE'S SEVERAL MUNICIPALITIES AND SENATE DISTRICT 44 THAT HAVE PASSED A 2,500 FOOT SETBACK FOR OTHER THINGS. 
          UM, I THINK I HAVE ONE DATA CENTER ORDINANCE PENDING WITH THE 2,500. 
          I KNOW THAT THE COUNTY HAS AS AN ORDINANCE GUIDE. 
          AND I EXPRESSED MY STRONG FEELINGS TO BOTH OF MY COUNTIES THAT ARE THE ONLY TWO COUNTIES IN THE STATE THAT HAVE PRODUCED A MODEL ORDINANCE GUIDE FOR DATA CENTERS. 
          AND THAT WAS OUR BASIS FOR WHAT WE, RIGHT. 
          AND I, AND I FEEL TERRIBLE ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S A, UM, IT'S NOT BASED ON SCIENCE. 
          AND YOU HAVE AS A MUNICIPALITY THE OBLIGATION TO YES, CONSIDER ALL APPLICATIONS FOR LAND USE IF THEY MEET YOUR ZONING STANDARDS, IF THEY MEET YOUR ZONING STANDARDS. 
          AND ALSO TO UPHOLD THAT, YOU HAVE TO, UM, TAKE INTO ACCOUNT YOUR OBLIGATION LEGALLY TO MAKE DECISIONS IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST, THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT, THAT PART OF THE MUNICIPAL PLANNING CODE DOES NOT GET MIXED OUT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO ALLOW ALL USES. 
          AND I'M, I'M, I FEEL THERE'S A, A LEGAL NARRATIVE THAT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT'S BEING PEDALED ACROSS, UM, THIS AREA. 
          UH, THAT'S, THAT'S SIMPLY NOT ADDRESSING THAT PART OF MISSILE PLANNING CODE THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC. 
          AND I LIVE IN EAST VINCENT TOWNSHIP NOT TOO FAR FROM HERE. 
          UM, AND WE JUST WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH THE DATA CENTER APPLICATION AT THE OLD HURST SITE. 
          AND, UM, I ENCOURAGE YOU, EAST VINCENT TOWNSHIP DOES NOT HAVE A DATA CENTER ORDINANCE. 
          SO THEY HAVE A CATCHALL PROVISION AND THERE'S ZONING THAT SAYS IF YOUR LAND USE IS NOT SPECIFICALLY LISTED, IT FALLS UNDER THIS CATCHALL PROVISION THAT IT JUST GOES TO CONDITIONAL USE NO MATTER WHAT ZONE IT'S IN. 
          WE, WE HAVE THAT AS WELL. 
          PERFECT. 
          'CAUSE NOT A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES HAVE IT. 
          AND I'M, I'M VERY NEW AT LEARNING ALL THIS, SO I'M BEEN READING A LOT OF, UM, DIFFERENT, UM, MUNICIPALITIES, UM, ORDINANCES AND ZONING AND I DON'T KNOW, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT YOURS, UH, TO SEE IF YOU HAVE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT WE DO LACK IN THAT CLAUSE DOES NOT HAVE A LOT OF 
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CONDITIONS ON THE CONDITIONAL USE. 
          SURE. 
          SO I ACTUALLY, IN, UM, EASEMENTS AND TOWNSHIP, THE ZONING PERFORMANCE STANDARDS APPLY TO ALL ZONES, EVEN IF IT'S NOT IN THAT IT APPLIES TO THE CATCHALL AND ALL THINGS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED AS USES BY, RIGHT. 
          UM, SO IT APPLIES TO RESIDENTIAL, APPLIES TO COMMERCIAL, WHATEVER IT IS. 
          UH, AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY VERY STRINGENT AND NOT MANY MUNICIPALITIES HAVE THIS LANGUAGE. 
          I'M HAPPY TO SHARE IT WITH YOU. 
          IT WAS WRITTEN IN 2008, NO IDEA WHO PUT IT IN THERE. 
          GOD BLESS WHOEVER DID IT. 
          I ADORE THEM. 
          I ADMIRE THEM. 
          THEY'RE VERY THOROUGH. 
          THEY TALK ABOUT VIBRATIONS, NOXIOUS SMELLS, SOUNDS, I MEAN, IT'S, IT IS THINGS THAT ARE MEASURABLE, WHICH IS WHAT IF YOU WERE TO BE CHALLENGED IN COURT, YOU NEED TO GO INTO COURT AND SAY, HERE'S HOW WE PLAN TO MEASURE IT. 
          AND HERE ARE THE METRICS WE'RE FOLLOWING. 
          UM, AND  THAT THERE'S SOME IN THESE ORDINANCES. 
          I READ IT, JEFF. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE, UM, IN, AND I DON'T KNOW YOUR DRAFT, BUT I KNOW THAT, UH, WE'VE SENT THE COUNTY, WE'VE SENT TO TIM, WE TRY TO SEND, UM, THINGS THAT ARE BASED ON SCIENCE. 
          SO THE SOUND STANDARDS WE WOULD'VE SHARED WITH YOU ALL WOULD'VE BEEN THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION'S SOUND STANDARDS, UM, FOR, UH, DBA SOUND, WHICH IS THE SOUND WE CAN HEAR. 
          AND THEN DBC IS ONE THAT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO, UM, GET. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY, BECAUSE IT'S THE ONE THAT'S THE MOST HARMFUL. 
          UH, IT'S THE LOW FREQUENCY, THE NOISE AND THE NOISE WE DON'T ALWAYS HEAR, BUT OUR BODY FEELS AND CAN CAUSE, UH, CARDIOVASCULAR ISSUES, NEUROLOGICAL ISSUES. 
          UM, IT'S, IT REALLY IS A HUMAN DISRUPTOR. 
          IT'S THE SAME TYPE OF INFRASOUND THAT IS USED IN MILITARY WAR TACTICS. 
          AND SO THAT THAT LOW FREQUENCY HUM IS HARMFUL. 
          AND THEN WHAT WE CAN'T HEAR ISN'T HARMFUL. 
          SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO BE, UM, ROBUST AND HAVE A 2,500 FOOT SETBACK. 
          YOU HAVE A VERY DENSELY POPULATED TOWNSHIP. 
          AND, UM, ANOTHER CAUTION IS THE DOLLAR SIGNS ARE DANGLING IN FRONT OF ALL THESE MUNICIPALITIES, PLACES, OR FACES WITH ALL THESE ALLEGED TAX REVENUES ARE GONNA ROLL IN FOR ALL OF YOU. 
          UM, IF YOU LIVE WITHIN FIVE MILES OF AN INDUSTRIAL SITE. 
          AND THERE'S CASE LAW IN PENNSYLVANIA FOR TAX PAYERS TO APPEAL AND, AND GET AN ADJUSTMENT ON THEIR PROPERTY TAX BECAUSE THEY LIVE WITHIN FIVE MILES OF AN INDUSTRIAL SITE. 
          AND THIS HAS HAPPENED IN WESTERN PENNSYLVANIA AND ALLEGHENY COUNTY SPECIFICALLY WHERE PROPERTY VALUES WERE REASSESSED 30% LOWER. 
          SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THE MATH ON WHAT YOU, WHAT A DATA CENTER DEVELOPER CLAIMS TO BE BRINGING INTO YOU AND THE TOTAL TAX REVENUE YOU HAVE NOW FROM THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE, UH, AND SEE WHAT THAT MATH LOOKS LIKE IF YOU HAD A 30% REDUCTION IN YOUR TOTAL PROPERTY TAX. 
          UM, SO THAT YOU HAVE SOME ACCURATE INFO, BECAUSE I'VE YET TO SEE A PRESENTATION THAT HAS ANY KIND OF FORMULA THAT'S MATHEMATICALLY, UM, SOUND IN TERMS OF HOW THIS REVENUE, WE ARE NOT VIRGINIA, WE DO NOT TAX PROPERTY AND EQUIPMENT LIKE VIRGINIA DOES. 
          SO, UM, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS. 
          I HAVE 4,000 OTHER THINGS TO SAY. 
          I'VE BEEN TO ALL THESE HEARINGS AND MEETINGS AND I'M HAPPY TO SHARE ANYTHING. 
          UM, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME, HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP. 
          WHY IS THIS, IS THIS PARTICULAR AREA? OH, I SHOULD HAVE TOLD YOU WHY. 
          THE WHY? YES, I'M SORRY. 
          WHY IS IT BEING PICKED ON RIGHT NOW? SO, UM, WE, THIS, UM, SO MY OFFICE IS IN ROYERSFORD BOROUGH AND I LEARNED THIS TWO YEARS AGO. 
          I'M SURE YOU'VE ALL GOT STUCK AT THE CROSSING ARMS IN THE BOROUGH WHEN THE THING, THE ARMS WON'T GO UP AND EVERYONE'S TRAFFIC'S BACKED UP. 
          IT'S BECAUSE THE POWER LINES ABOVE INTERFERE WITH THE, UM, UH, SIGNALS THAT ARE IN THE GROUND TO HAVE THE ARMS GO UP AND DOWN BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH FALLOUT POWER FROM THOSE HIGH VOLTAGE LINES. 
          THOSE ARE 500 KV VOLT LINES COMING FROM THE LIMERICK POWER PLANT, SEVEN MILES DOWN THE RAILROAD INTO PHOENIXVILLE. 
          THEY'RE THE HIGHEST VOLTAGE LINES IN THE COMMONWEALTH RIGHT NOW. 
          THERE ARE HIGHER VOLTAGE ONES PROPOSED, BUT RIGHT NOW THEY ARE THE HIGHEST VOLTAGE. 
          AND SO ANYWHERE ALONG AN AREA THAT HAS, UM, HIGH VOLTAGE LINES IS SUBSTANTIALLY LESS EXPENSIVE FOR A HYPERSCALE DATA CENTER TO DEVELOP THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO INTERCONNECT INTO THE POWER GRID. 
          SO THAT IS WHY THAT CROMBIE SPOT, I, I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE A WEIRD PLACE WHEN I WAS LIKE ON A TRAIL OR WHATEVER, UM, BUT I DID NOT REALIZE THAT IT HAD COAL AND GAS GENERATION AT ITS FINAL STAGE OF LIFE. 
          AND THAT GAS TURBINE IS PRETTY MUCH READY TO BE FIRED UP AND READY TO GO AGAIN. 
          AND SO THAT SUBSTATION DOWN THERE AND INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S HIGH VOLTAGE IS THE, IS THE REASON WHERE A SITTING DUCK. 
          AND IT'S A SHAME BECAUSE ALONG THE RIVER I'VE LOOKED AT THE PROPERTIES AND WHO OWNS THIS IS, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A VERY, UM, PIECE OF ADVICE. 
          THIS ROOM ISN'T PACKED TODAY. 
          IT WILL BE PACKED IF YOU END UP GETTING A DATA CENTER PROPOSAL. 
          I WAS AT THE UPPER MARION PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          I COMMEND THOSE MEMBERS FOR KEEPING THEIR POOL. 
          IT WAS A VERY INTENSE LONG MEETING. 
          UM, AND I WAS INVITED BY RESIDENTS. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALLOWED ALL THESE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS, AND I'M NOT AGAINST IT. 
          THIS IS PEOPLE'S HOMES, RIGHT? YOU'VE, YOU'VE ALL HELPED HOUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE. 
          YOU'RE ABOUT TO BUILD A HOSPITAL. 
          WE NEED 
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A HOSPITAL, RIGHT? LIKE THIS IS A GREAT COMMUNITY TO LIVE IN. 
          UM, IT IS NOT WHERE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT BELONGS. 
          AND, AND ARGUABLY MY, I'M NOT THE ATTORNEY. 
          UM, I, UH, BUT MY ARGUMENT WOULD BE IF YOU HAVE INDUSTRIAL LAND, WHICH YOU'RE PUTTING IT IN YOUR MANUFACTURING, IS THAT WHAT IT'S CALLED? ZONE. 
          EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT ZONES. 
          UM, AND MY TOWNSHIP PENNHURST IS INDUSTRIAL, MIXED USE SMACK IN THE MIDDLE OF A VETERAN'S HOME. 
          ALL THESE NEIGHBORS, A DAYCARE, A SCHOOL. 
          AND SO ARGUABLY, I THINK THAT'S SPOT ZONING. 
          IF YOU'VE ALLOWED ALL THAT STUFF TO BE BUILT UP AROUND IT, AND YOU HAVE IT CONSIDERED IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF ADJUSTING WHAT COULD BE BUILT THERE. 
          PEOPLE LIVE RIGHT THERE. 
          THAT'S ALSO AN UNREMEDIATED BROWNFIELD. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT, UM, US BEING A SITTING DUCK IS ALONG THE RIVER, RIGHT? THE HISTORICAL INDUSTRIAL OBJECTION ABOUT THE RIVER, RIGHT? THE, THE, WELL, THERE IS A HYDRO FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT I CAUGHT, UM, IN THE PUBLIC NOTICE THING LAST FALL THAT, UM, YOU ALL WEREN'T NOTIFIED ABOUT, BUT PHOENIXVILLE WAS. 
          BUT IT MENTIONS MONTCLAIR AND I SENT IT TO TIM, UM, AND 'CAUSE I JUST, I WAS LOOKING FOR SOMETHING ELSE AND IT, AND IT POPPED UP UNDER DATA CENTER. 
          IT WAS JUST THE, A FEDERAL STUDY, NOTHING HAPPENING. 
          BUT TO BUILD A, A, A HYDROELECTRIC PLANT DOWN NEAR MONTCLAIR FOR LIKE FIVE MEGAWATTS OF POWER, VERY LOW POWER. 
          BUT I'M ALSO LIKE, WE WERE IN A DROUGHT AND I'M LIKE, WHAT WATER ARE WE USING TO POWER ANYTHING? 'CAUSE THE RIVER GETS PRETTY LOW WHEN WE'VE HAD THESE DROUGHTS. 
          SO THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOME SORT OF, I'M NOT AN ENERGY EXPERT, BUT THERE'S SOME ATTRACTION WITH THESE POWER LINES AND THEN ALSO THE RIVER. 
          UM, SO THE WATER SUPPLY. 
          AND THE OTHER PIECE I WOULD TELL YOU IS THAT ALL OF THESE DATA CENTERS, NOT ONLY ARE WE SUBSIDIZING ALL OF US AS RATE PAYERS AND OUR ELECTRIC BILL, THEY'RE GETTING THEIR WATER USAGE, UM, WILL SERVE LETTERS THROUGH THE WATER UTILITIES. 
          SO P AMERICAN OR WHATEVER, , THEY'RE MERGING, OR I HOPE THEY DON'T GET TO MERGE, BUT WHATEVER THEY ALL ARE, UM, WE'RE PAYING FOR THAT TOO. 
          SO P AMERICAN JUST GOT A NOVEMBER LAST YEAR, 6.1 MILLION GALLON A DAY INCREASE WITHDRAWAL FROM THE DELAWARE RIVER FOR WHO DO WE BUILD ALL THESE HOUSES THAT WE NEED, 6 MILLION MORE GALLONS OF WATER A DAY. 
          SO THEY'RE PREPARING FOR THIS. 
          AND A LOT OF THIS IS COMES OUT AFTER IT'S ALREADY THERE. 
          AND I WILL SAY THAT I, RIGHT BEFORE I GOT HERE, UM, I'M KIND OF FIRED UP. 
          I, UH, GOT A 500 PAGE RIGHT TO NO REQUEST, UH, FROM A RESIDENT IN PLYMOUTH TOWNSHIP, AND IT'S FROM THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY I'M A DEMOCRAT. 
          SO I'VE, UM, SOMEONE WILL BE WATCHING THAT OR HEARING THIS AND BE MAD AT ME. 
          BUT, UM, THIS IS BEING SOLD BY THE ADMINISTRATION. 
          THIS IS, THERE ARE NDAS BEING SIGNED AND UPPER MARION WITH THE, WITH THE DEVELOPERS. 
          THEY'RE THE, THIS IS SUCH A DENSELY POPULATED AREA. 
          THE ONLY WAY I CAN DESCRIBE IT IS CRUEL. 
          AND WE HAVE GAS PIPELINES, RIGHT? SO LIKE, IT'S CRUEL IN MY BACKYARD. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND DO YOU, I MEAN, HERE'S THE THING. 
          WE'RE NOT DEBATING AI AND DATA CENTERS. 
          IT'S DO YOU WANNA LIVE 2000, 3000 FEET FROM SOMETHING IN FOR SOUND HAS YET TO BE, UM, MITIGATED, MEANING THERE'S NO FOAM PADDING, THERE'S NO SIDING, THERE'S NO DOUBLE PANE WINDOWS. 
          IT PENETRATES DRYWALL GLASS. 
          IT, IT IS, THE ONLY PROTECTION IS DISTANCE. 
          BUT IS THERE A PRECEDENT BECAUSE OF THE POWER PLANT BEING THERE AND HOW MUCH WATER THEY'RE DRAWING, RIGHT? AND, AND MAKING ALL THIS ELECTRICITY THAT'S GOING ALL OVER ALL THE NEW YORK AND EVERYWHERE ELSE. 
          IS THERE SOME PRECEDENT THAT, THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE SAYING, YOU ALREADY HAVE THIS, IT'S ALREADY HERE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IS IT EASIER TO GET IT ACCEPTED HERE THEN IN IT'S CHEAPER? WELL, IT'S CHEAPER. 
          IT'S, THE ISSUE IS, IS THAT THIS IS A HIGH KILOWATT PER HOUR, RIGHT. 
          POWER GRID, WHICH PROVIDES THAT THEORY. 
          CHEAP POWER. 
          YOU CAN SAY, WELL HOW ABOUT ARIZONA? THEY GOT LOADS OF LAND, THEY'VE GOT NO POWER. 
          THEY HAVE LOADS OF DATA CENTERS BEING BUILT IN A MASSIVE CLUSTER. 
          I WENT TO GRAD SCHOOL THERE, ONE OF MY, UH, FRIENDS SENT ME A PICTURE IN ARIZONA. 
          OH MY GOD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WATER THEY'RE GONNA USE. 
          THREE MASSIVE AWS CLUSTERS AND SCOTT'S OR, UM, MESA, UH, AVONDALE AND CHANDLER, ARIZONA. 
          MASSIVE. 
          ARE YOU ARIZONA NOW? I, WELL I WORKED, I I WENT THERE FOR MY CLINICALS, BUT THAT'S NOT WHERE MY DEGREE'S FROM, BUT I WAS WITH THE FOOTBALL TEAM AS PART OF MY SPORTS MEDICINE BACKGROUND. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          WELL DONE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO SOMEONE ON A STATE REP SAID THAT ALL OF US ATTENDING THE MEETINGS HAVE PITCHFORKS. 
          AND I WAS LIKE, LISTEN, I HAVE A PITCH FOR FROM SPARKY, THE SUN TEMPLE. 
          I WILL BRING IT TO THE MEETING. 
          IT'S CLASSROOM, UM, . 
          BUT, AND, AND I, I DON'T WANT, I MEAN, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA STOP 'CAUSE YOU HAVE A WHOLE MEETING, BUT YEAH, WE, WE HAVE A LOT TO DO TOO. 
          UM, AND I WANNA REVIEW, UM, I'LL SEND YOU FEEDBACK FOR RIGHT NOW. 
          I, I, I STILL THINK MY RECOMMENDATION TO THIS PLANNING COMMISSION IS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ORDINANCE. 
          WE WILL LOOK AT YOURS, WE WILL LOOK AT THE, THE SCIENCE YOU SEND US. 
          AND AGAIN, WE CAN AMEND WHAT WE NEED TO 
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AMEND AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. 
          I JUST, MY RECOMMENDATION TO THIS BOARD AND TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO GET SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS. 
          WE ALREADY HAVE IT ADVERTISED. 
          WE ALREADY HAVE A HEARING SCHEDULED. 
          I DON'T WANT TO STOP THE PROCESS AND WAIT ANOTHER 60 DAYS OR 90 DAYS. 
          'CAUSE THERE ARE AREAS THAT I'M AFRAID SOMEONE COULD COME IN AND DROP THAT APPLICATION ON US. 
          AND THEN WE'RE SORT OF RUNNING BEHIND IT. 
          IS THE SETBACK A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE? LIKE I KNOW THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS YOU COULD CHANGE WITHOUT THE APP. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? LIKE IF YOU ADVERTISE THIS DRAFT, YOU COULD CHANGE SOME THINGS, BUT NOT OTHERS. 
          I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND CHANGING THE SETBACK. 
          CAN THEY PUT A MINIMUM UP IN FRONT OF IT? I THINK THAT, AND I, I THINK THAT WHAT GOES INTO THE SETBACK IS NOT NECESSARILY JUST WHAT YOU CAN USE IT, IT ALSO DEPENDS ON WHAT THE SIZE OF THE ZONING DISTRICT IS. 
          YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T ADOPT A ZONING REGULATION AND IMPOSE A SETBACK THAT MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE THAT USE ACTUALLY BE ON THE PROPERTY. 
          AND THE, THE RISK THAT YOU RUN IS THAT A DEVELOPER WOULD COME IN AND CHALLENGE IT AND SAY, WELL, THERE'S NO PROPERTY IN THE ENTIRE TOWNSHIP OR WITHIN THAT ZONING DISTRICT THAT COULD SATISFY THAT SETBACK. 
          SO THERE'S A REQUIREMENT YOU HAVE TO PUT A REASONABLE SETBACK IN THAT WOULD IN FACT ALLOW THEM TO DO THE USE ON THE PROPERTY. 
          AND IF, IF YOU HAVE A HALF MILE SETBACK, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WOULD CONCEIVABLY BE IN THIS DISTRICT WOULD ALLOW THAT. 
          SO, SO IS THE ENTIAL, THE, THAT GSK, THAT DATA CENTER ON THAT YOU WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER? I TOOK A TOUR OF IT. 
          UM, THERE'S NOTHING IN THAT'S A NON-HYPER SCALE DATA CENTER THAT IS A NON GENERATIVE AI. 
          SO IT'S, I THINK IT'S SEVEN MEGAWATTS IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. 
          DON'T IT IS BELOW 10. 
          I KNOW THAT FOR, WE WON'T KNOW. 
          YOU COULD GOOGLE IT. 
          I JUST DON'T, I I THINK IT'S SEVEN. 
          BUT IT'S A LOW VOLUME. 
          WE UNDERSTAND IT'S A LOW WALL. 
          EXACTLY. 
          SO THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS THAT'S, THAT'S ALLOWED LAND USE. 
          YOU CAN, IF YOU ONLY HAVE 40 SOME ACRES OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT COULD PROVIDE THIS USE, ARE YOU THEN SAYING YOU WOULD ALLOW A 900 MEGAWATT DATA CENTER ON 40 ACRES? BECAUSE THAT'S LIKE, I MEAN, THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT RESTRICTING IT. 
          IT'S JUST A SIZE ISSUE. 
          IF THEY CAN'T BUILD, IT'S LIKE IF YOU CAN'T BUILD WITHIN THE, THERE'S A, THERE'S NOTHING SAYING YOU HAVE TO ALLOW HYPERSCALE DATA CENTERS VERSUS A DATA CENTER. 
          YOU ALREADY HAVE DATA CENTERS. 
          ARGUABLY YOUR TOWNSHIP ALREADY, I MEAN YOU ALREADY HAVE IT. 
          IT'S SITTING THERE. 
          IT'S, IT IS TYPICALLY ONE MEGAWATT PER ACRE. 
          SO AN UPPER MARION THAT'S 900 MEGAWATTS REVEALED TODAY IN THE RIGHTS NODES, ACTUALLY 1.56, UH, GIGAWATTS. 
          I SAID GIGAWATTS LIKE BACK IN THE BACK IN THE FUTURE. 
          BUT, UM, GIGAWATTS, UH, SO IT'S ACTUALLY MUCH BIGGER. 
          IT'S MORE NINE HUNDRED'S ALREADY BIG. 
          BUT WHERE'S THAT PROPOSED AT IN UPPER MARION? WHERE AT? RIGHT. 
          UM, THE RENAISSANCE SUITES ROAD. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S FITTING THERE. 
          NO, I BUT I'M JUST SAYING IF YOU DID ONE ACRE PER MEGAWATT, YOU'D NEED ARGUABLY 900 ACRES. 
          SO IF AN, IF A, BECAUSE YOU'RE NEAR A POWER LINE, YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A SKYSCRAPER DATA. 
          AND TRUST ME, IN, IN LOWY COUNTY, VIRGINIA, THEY LOOK VERY INTERESTING SHAPE DATA CENTER. 
          SOME ARE VERY TALL. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW THE MEGAWATTS OF ALL OF 'EM, BUT WHEN I WENT ON A TOUR THERE, IT WAS WILD. 
          BUT I, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU, YOU'RE ALLOWING THE USE, THE SETBACK ISN'T GONNA PROHIBIT THE USE. 
          WELL, THE SETBACK WOULD IF YOU SET THE, IF YOU CREATE THE SETBACK. 
          SO THERE IS NO FEASIBLE BUILDING ENVELOPE ON THE PROPERTIES THAT IS EFFECTIVELY THEY CAN BUILD A DATA CENTER. 
          THEY JUST CAN'T BUILD A MASSIVE 900 MEGAWATT DATA CENTER. 
          THERE'S NOTHING SAYING THAT THAT HAS TO ALLOW FOR THE LARGEST DATA CENTER EVER IN, EVER BUILT, IN EVERY TOWNSHIP. 
          THAT'S MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. 
          SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS THE DEBATE THAT SHOULD BE HAVING RIGHT NOW IN, I JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO PUT MINIMUM OF IN FRONT OF YOU SAID WE, BY THE WAY, GABE, WE, WE APPLAUD YOUR, YOUR LEADERSHIP. 
          I'M TRYING. 
          IT'S, IT IS HARD. 
          'CAUSE YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO, YOU'RE TRYING TO LEARN IT ALL TOO, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          WE'RE ALL TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THAT WAS INTERESTING. 
          AND I'M SURE, I'M SURE THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE COMING ABOUT THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT WE WOULD, UH, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE TO RECOMMENDED. 
          UH, IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? I SEE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE IN THE ROOM AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ISSUE. 
          JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, I THINK EVERYBODY'S PROBABLY FOR THIS THING, BUT DONE. 
          SO WE NEED TO GIVE YOU A RECOMMENDATION, JEFF. 
          YES, PLEASE. 
          THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. 
          AND, UH, DOES ANYBODY WANNA MAKE THAT MOTION OR A NON MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, RECOMMEND TO THE, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISOR TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE AMENDMENTS AS, UH, AS PROPOSED AND, UH, OBVIOUSLY 
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THE FUTURE CHANGES TO HAPPEN. 
          YES, WHEN APPROPRIATE. 
          WHEN APPROPRIATE. 
          SO WE GOT A MOTION FROM JOE TO, UH, APPROVE THIS OR TO, UH, RECOMMEND THIS TO THE SUPERVISORS AS, UH, WRITTEN TODAY, UH, WITH THE AMENDMENTS, UH, TO COME IN THE FUTURE AS THINGS MOVE QUICKLY AND FAST THROUGH THE FUTURE. 
          DO I HAVE SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT. 
          ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          UH, UM, AND ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          SO WE, WE THINK THAT'S GOOD, JEFF. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS FOR THAT, UH, BRINGING THAT FORWARD. 
          THANKS SENATOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD DAVE. 
          UM, SO LET'S 
          [APPLICATIONS TO BE HEARD ON JUNE 3, 2026]
MOVE ON TO OUR VERY INTERESTING NEXT ONE. 
          AND, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE BACK AT, UH, IS THAT YOU AGAIN? THAT'S ME AGAIN, REMEMBER? AND BY YOURSELF DOING? I AM, UM, UNFORTUNATELY MY CLIENT AND THE ENGINEER BOTH HAD CONFLICTS TONIGHT. 
          BUT KNOWING THAT WE HAD THE DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING AND WE WANTED TO COME BACK AND CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION, I'M HERE TONIGHT BY MYSELF. 
          UM, SO, UM, ALLISON ZARO ON BEHALF OF, UM, GENERAL HANCOCK ENTERPRISES PARTNERSHIP, UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE WERE HERE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO TO TALK ABOUT THIS, THIS PLAN. 
          UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE WALKED THROUGH THE TECHNICAL COMMENTS. 
          I KNOW THE RESIDENTS HAD SOME QUESTIONS. 
          YOU ENCOURAGED MY CLIENT TO, UM, MEET WITH THE RESIDENTS, UM, PRIOR TO COMING BACK TONIGHT. 
          HE DID MEET WITH SEVERAL OF THE RESIDENTS BETWEEN THE LAST MEETING AND THIS MEETING. 
          YEAH. 
          I'VE ALWAYS FOUND THAT TO BE VERY, UH, HELPFUL. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          SO, UM, I DON'T WANT TO CHARACTERIZE THE CONVERSATION. 
          SURE. 
          I WAS NOT THERE. 
          UM, HOWEVER, THERE WAS A REQUEST TO ADD FENCING BETWEEN LOT ONE AND THE CEMETERY AREA, WHICH I UNDERSTAND. 
          UM, WE HAVE AGREED TO THAT WILL BE ADDED TO THE PLAN. 
          UM, SO AT THE TOP OF THE PLAN, I KNOW THE POINTER'S NOT WORKING , BUT, UM, THAT WAS THAT POINT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, UM, OTHER REQUEST WAS, UH, A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, AND I THINK THE MALICE COULD SPEAK BETTER TO THIS ABOUT POTENTIALLY UPSIZING ONE OF THE PIPES ON THE PROPERTY. 
          OUR ENGINEERS TAKING A LOOK AT THAT. 
          IF WE ARE ABLE TO DO THAT WITHOUT, UM, VIOLATING DEP OR TOWNSHIP REQUIREMENTS, THEN WE WOULD DO SO OTHERWISE WE WOULD KEEP THE DESIGN AS IS BECAUSE IT DOES MEET TOWNSHIP AND DEP REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, AS WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME, WE DO ALREADY HAVE OUR NPDS PERMIT. 
          UM, WE DID ALSO, UM, WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANY WAIVERS EITHER, SO WE WOULDN'T WANT TO PUSH THAT INTO A WAIVER SITUATION. 
          BUT, UM, HE IS TAKING A LOOK AT THAT. 
          THE OTHER, UM, MAIN TOPIC OF CONVERSATION LAST TIME WAS ON BLASTING. 
          UM, I DID PUT TOGETHER, UM, A SUMMARY OF THE BLASTING REGULATIONS IN PENNSYLVANIA, WHICH WAS CIRCULATED TO JEFF AND I UNDERSTAND CIRCULATED TO THE LIST OF RESIDENTS. 
          PAGE THREE THREE, UM, IT'S ALSO IN YOUR PACKET. 
          UM, SO IF YOU WANT SOME READING ON BLASTING THAT IS IT, WELL, I,  SEVERAL OF US ALREADY WENT OUT AND READ IT ON OUR OWN. 
          YES. 
          AND I KNOW I DID AND I KNOW JOE DID. 
          AND, UM, UM, I WASN'T REAL IMPRESSED WITH IT. 
          UH, BUT IT CERTAINLY IS OUT THERE. 
          YEAH, I, I, YOU KNOW, I I READ THE ALLISON SUMMARY. 
          THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. 
          UM, AND I, I KIND OF HAD THE SAME REACTION. 
          I, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN THERE ABOUT A NOTICE REQUIREMENT TO, TO LIKE RESIDENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          LIKE THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE PLAN AND THE CREDENTIALS OF THE BLASTER AND ALL THAT. 
          AND MAYBE THAT'S JUST THE WAY PENNSYLVANIA'S BRICKS OR WRITTEN, BUT I, I, I THINK WE, WE HEARD SOME CONCERN FROM RESIDENTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT, LIKE BEING NOTIFIED OF WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          WE'VE ALWAYS RUN INTO THAT PROBLEM. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND, AND NORMALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE ASKED THE DEVELOPER OR THE, THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY AT THE TIME TO SET UP A NOTIFICATION PROCESS. 
          UM, AND I THINK THEY EXPRESSED AT THEIR LAST MINUTE THEY WERE WILLING TO DO THAT. 
          YES. 
          OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE, THEY DON'T HAVE THE, THE CONTRACTOR, WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION YET ON WHO THE, THE BLASTING COMPANY WILL BE. 
          ONCE WE GET TO THAT POINT, WE CAN SET THAT PROCESS UP. 
          BUT WE WILL ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION ON THE BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION, BE SETTING THAT PROCESS UP ONCE WE GET THERE. 
          WHEN SEI WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, THEIR LATEST BUILDING THAT HAPPENED, UM, I THINK THAT THERE WAS SOME DRAWN A BLANK ON WHICH LANDED ON IT WAS, BUT THERE WERE SOME OTHERS THAT, THAT HAD SOME BLASTING. 
          AND, UM, WE WERE A LITTLE LATE TO THE GAME ON THAT ONE 'CAUSE IT DIDN'T COME THROUGH MY OFFICE. 
          BUT NOW, NOW THAT WE KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING, WE'RE GONNA BE AHEAD OF THE GAME ON IT AND WE'LL MAKE SURE WE GET THAT INFORMATION OUT. 
          WELL, AND THE THING I DIDN'T SEE IN, IN THE, UH, AND I READ THIS DOCUMENT ONLINE AND I SEE YOU SET IT OUT HERE, BUT WHEN I, YOU KNOW, MY BIGGEST CONCERN, AND ZACH AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS BEFORE THE MEETING, WE WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY THAT. 
          UM, BUT WE, WE JUST MADE A COMMENT ON IT. 
          UH, WE WEREN'T TALKING, WE MADE NO DECISIONS. 
          WE JUST, WE JUST KIND OF DIDN'T I, I'M NOT A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU TALK. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          I JUST GOT MYSELF IN TROUBLE THEN. 
          UM, ANYHOW, I DON'T SEE 
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ANY COMMENTS IN THE, UH, REGULATIONS ABOUT LONG-TERM LIABILITY. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CONCERNS ME, YOU KNOW, AND THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF ZACH MAKES SOME GOOD POINTS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HIS JOB. 
          HE'S A LAWYER AND HE KNOWS THAT STUFF. 
          BUT, UH, MY CONCERN. 
          AND I DON'T SEE ANY REGULATIONS IN HERE ABOUT LONG TERM LIABILITY OF BLASTING, AND I'M MAKING SURE WHAT THAT MEANS OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, I'M CONCERNED THAT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW SOMEBODY'S HOUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN BECOMES, UH, THE FOUNDATION CRACKS, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO GO AND PROVE THAT IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE BLASTING FIVE YEARS EARLIER. 
          AND I WAS ZACH SAYING, HEY, THAT'S GONNA BE, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S GONNA BE HARD. 
          IT'S GONNA BE COSTLY. 
          AND, UM, BUT ANYHOW, THAT'S MY OPINION. 
          IT'S NOT IN HERE, SO I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. 
          BUT, UM, UH, I COULD SEE WHERE A RESIDENT COULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT LONG-TERM BLASTING, IN WHAT FAULT LIES THAT MAKES IN THE ROCK AND WHERE IT LEADS. 
          AND, UM, IT MIGHT TAKE TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS TO GET TO SOMEBODY'S HOUSE, BUT IT COULD. 
          AND, UH, THAT CONCERNS ME, BUT IT'S NOT IN HERE, SO I, NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT IT. 
          BUT ANYHOW, UM, ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR ALLISON ON THIS ISSUE? NO. 
          NO. 
          SO, UH, ALLISON, WE'LL TAKE SOME PUBLIC, WE'LL DO THE PUBLIC THING NEXT. 
          AND AGAIN, THREE MINUTES FOLKS HAVE SOME THINGS TO HAND OUT. 
          VICTORIA SCHWARTZ, 2 48 BAXTER DRIVE. 
          THANK YOU GUYS, FIRST AND FOREMOST FOR ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE BLASTING, UM, AND GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION. 
          UH, SINCE I HAVE A COUPLE MOMENTS, UM, THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE HERE, YOU'VE GONNA BE GETTING TWO PAPERS. 
          UH, ONE, THIS IS THE QUESTIONS THAT ACTUALLY FROM THAT MEETING, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR RECOMMENDING THAT WE SPEAK TO THE BUILDER. 
          A LOT CAME OUT OF IT. 
          THAT WAS ACTUALLY VERY GOOD. 
          GOOD. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          BUT THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED. 
          ALLISON HAS THAT, I'M SURE SHE DOES. 
          UM, AND IT WOULD BE NICE FOR, JUST FOR US TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE WHAT THAT IS FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC. 
          AGAIN, I DO NOT SPEAK, AND I NEED TO MAKE THIS VERY CRYSTAL CLEAR, AS I'VE SAID IN THE PAST, AS I'LL SAY AGAIN AND CONTINUE TO SAY I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MY GRANDPARENTS WHO ARE BURIED IN THAT CEMETERY. 
          I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO, UM, AUTHORITY WHATSOEVER TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE CHURCH. 
          THE CHURCH CAN SPEAK ON BEHALF OF ITSELF, BUT I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MY GRANDPARENTS THAT ARE BURIED THERE. 
          UM, THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE, THE SECOND QUESTIONS, THIS IS NOT A, YOU KNOW, A A A WHO'S TO BLAME OR WHATEVER. 
          THIS IS ACTUALLY A BIG THOUGHT. 
          LIKE, YOU KNOW, BUILDING'S CHANGING. 
          WE'RE CHANGING. 
          OKAY? WE'RE SEEING THAT THIS PLOT, UM, WAS BUILT ON, IS GONNA BE BUILT ON STEEP SLOPES. 
          WE CHANGED THE ORDINANCES. 
          MAYBE IT'S TIME TO KIND OF LOOK AT SOME OF THE ORDINANCES THAT WE HAVE TO ENSURE THE COMMUNITY SAFETY. 
          SO I'M JUST GONNA READ THESE QUESTIONS 'CAUSE I HAVE LESS THAN A COUPLE MINUTES AND YOU GUYS HAVE THEM, SO YOU CAN MAYBE SPEAK TO THEM OR WHATEVER, BUT I JUST WANNA READ THEM OUT JUST SO IT'S FOR PUBLIC RECORD ONE IN REVIEW THIS PROJECT, HOW IS THE TOWNSHIP INCORPORATING THE COMMU, THE COMMUNATIVE CONTEXT OF PRIOR LAND USE DECISIONS AND EARLIER DEVELOPMENT ALTERNATIVES, INCLUDING PROPOSALS WHERE DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION OF LOTS, SUCH AS RELOCATING A MAJOR, EXCUSE ME, MAJORITY OF PROPOSED HOMES TO AN E ALTERNATIVE SITE WITH THE SAME DEVELOPER. 
          I'LL GET BACK TO THAT ONE, UH, WAS DISCUSSED, BUT NOT ADVANCED. 
          UM, IT IS THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, LOVER'S LANE. 
          THEY HAD 10 HOUSES THAT COULD HAVE BEEN, THIS AGAIN, WAS IN PREVIOUS PLANNING, COULD HAVE BEEN FOR ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT THEY OWN, BUT WAS NOT. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. 
          UM, BUT IN PRESENT DAY, WHEN EVALUATING PRESENT DAY IMPACTS ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES, PRIVATE RESIDENTIAL WELLS, AND THE CHURCH, WHICH IS AN ACTIVE BURIAL SITE, THAT ALSO CONTAINS AN ONSITE WELL SURROUNDING INDEPENDENT HOMES AND PRIVATE WELLS. 
          TWO, AS PART OF PLANNING AND APPROVAL PROCESS, HOW DOES THE TOWNSHIP EVALUATE WHETHER ALL FEASIBLE SITE CONSTRAINTS, INCLUDING PROXIMITY TO AN ACTIVE CEMETERY WITH AN ONSITE WELL SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES WITH PRIVATE WELLS AND THE POTENTIAL NEED FOR BLASTING HAVE BEEN FULLY CONSIDERED AT A COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING LEVEL TO ENSURE LONG TERM COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDING COMMUNITY CONDITIONS? YOU KIND OF ASKED THAT QUESTION YOURSELVES. 
          UH, THREE, UNDERSTANDING THAT BLASTING IS REGULATED AT THE STATE LEVEL AND IMPACTED BY THE DEVELOPER OR AND BLASTING CONTRACTOR. 
          IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION FOR REQUIRING A LOCAL SITE SPECIFIC SAFEGUARD AS AN ADDED LAYER OF COMMUNITY PROTECTION, SUCH AS AN INDEPENDENT VIBRATION MONITORING SEISMOGRAPHS PLACED AT OR NEAR THE SHARED BOUNDARY BETWEEN THE CEMETERY AND THE, THE DEVELOPMENT SITE? AM I UP ALREADY? YEAH, I KNOW THIS. 
          I'M, AM I ALLOWED TO READ THE LAST REMAINING QUESTION REAL QUICK? OKAY. 
          UM, ADDITIONAL MEASURES, OR I'M SORRY, UH, TO PROVIDE A TOWNSHIP LEVEL VERIFICATION POINT IN THE EVENT CONCERNING ARISE AND CONCERNS ARISE, IF SUCH ADDITIONAL MEASURES ARE NOT TYPICAL REQUIRED, CAN THE TOWNSHIP SHARE HOW IT EVALUATES WHETHER A BELT AND SUSPENDERS 
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APPROACHES WARRANTED IN SENSITIVE LOCATIONS LIKE THIS, OR WHY IT WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED HERE? AND LAST, AND THIS IS IT. 
          WHERE IN THE TOWNSHIP CODE OR ADOPTED STANDARDS ARE THESE SPECIFIC PROVISIONS ADDRESSING BLASTING ACTIVITIES IN PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS, PRIVATE WELLS, CHURCHES OR CEMETERIES? AND IF SUCH POSITIONS, PROVISIONS ARE LIMITED TO STATE LEVEL REGULATION, HOW DOES THE TOWNSHIP EVALUATE WHETHER ADDITIONAL LOCAL STANDARDS OR SAFEGUARDS ARE NECESSARY BASED ON THESE SPECIFIC SITE CONDITIONS? THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU GUYS. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          GOOD QUESTIONS. 
          AND WE WILL, UH, WE'LL LOOK AT THEM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WHO'S NEXT? WE BOTH, WE BOTH CAN HAVE THREE MINUTES, RIGHT? NO, WE WON'T GET THREE. 
          I GET THREE AND THEN HE GETS, WE GET THREE TOGETHER. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL GO SIT DOWN WHILE HE TALKS THEN. 
          I DIDN'T THINK WE NEED, OKAY. 
          SO MY NAME IS KEVIN CONCANNON. 
          I AM A, I LIVE IN MONTCLAIR, RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF LOVER'S LANE IN 29. 
          UM, WE REDONE AN OLD HOUSE THERE. 
          IT WAS BUILT IN 1901. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY LOVE, WE LOVE THE AREA. 
          WE PLAN TO STAY THERE FOR HOPEFULLY THE REST OF OUR LIVES. 
          UM, THE REASON I'M HERE IS BECAUSE PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE ENCROACHING ONTO OUR PROPERTY. 
          UM, OUR KIDS GET ON THE BUS STOP RIGHT THERE, AND IT LOOKS TO BE ABOUT SEVEN FEET. 
          I'M THINKING MAYBE THERE'S ONLY 15 FEET TOTAL THERE. 
          WE HAVE A PORCH ON THAT SIDE. 
          IT, IT JUST LOOKS REALLY CLOSE. 
          SO I JUST WANTED SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT. 
          UM, AND ALSO MY WIFE HAD COME TO A PREVIOUS MEETING AND ASKED TO BE ADDED INTO THE COMMUNICATIONS, UM, IF THERE WAS ANYTHING FROM THE BUILDER, AND WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING. 
          UM, SO REALLY JUST TRYING TO, UH, OPEN THE LINE OF COMMUNICATION. 
          I KNOW WE'RE PRETTY LATE IN THE PROCESS HERE, BUT, UM, WELL, THE BUILDER JUST MET WITH THE, I DON'T KNOW. 
          YEAH, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW THEY DID IT. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW HOW THEY, IF THEY, WELL, THEY HAVE THE WRONG ADDRESS. 
          SO AT A PRIOR MEETING I CAME UP AND I SAID THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY OF THE MAIL, AND I GAVE THE CORRECT ADDRESS AND WE STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANYTHING. 
          UM, AND WE ARE LOVER'S. 
          LANE N 29 WE'RE LIKE THE OPPOSITE CORNER. 
          THERE WASN'T, THIS DOESN'T REQUIRE A NOTIFICATION, BUT WE'VE NEVER GOT THE EARLIER ONES. 
          WE'VE NEVER DONE THERE, THERE FROM THE ZONING HEARING BOARD, WHICH WAS OVER A YEAR AGO. 
          YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE RECEIVED THAT. 
          YOU SHOULD HAVE. 
          YEAH, WE DID. 
          I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHY THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN AT THE TIME. 
          UM, WITH ANY LAND DEVELOPMENT, TYPICALLY WE, IT'S JUST, YOU HAVE TO LOOK ON THE AGENDA TO SEE IF IT'S ON. 
          AND, AND LAST WEEK, TWO WEEKS AGO WAS THE FIRST TIME IT HAD BEEN ON IN OVER A YEAR. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO THERE WASN'T OTHER MEETINGS. 
          THAT WAS THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD ON THAT. 
          HOW WAS THE COMMUNICATION FROM THE BUILDER FOR THAT CON THAT, SO AT THAT MEETING, I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. 
          AT THAT MEETING, MY CLIENT WAS HERE AND HE SPOKE TO RESIDENTS THAT WERE HERE, AND THEY SET UP AN INFORMAL MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT WAS NOT A MAIL, IT WAS, IT WAS NOT MAILED OUT. 
          YES, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANYTHING EVER. 
          THIS IS LAND DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO IN LAND DEVELOPMENT, THERE ARE NO, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR MAIL NOTICES TO BE SENT OUT. 
          IT'S PURELY BASED ON PUBLISHING THE AGENDA. 
          BUT THEY DO MAIL STUFF. 
          RIGHT. 
          HAVEN'T YOU MAILED STUFF WHEN THERE WAS A ZONING HEARING BOARD APPLICATION? THAT WAS OVER A YEAR AGO THAT THERE WOULD'VE BEEN SOME MAIL NOTICES REQUIRED FOR THAT. 
          BUT THAT'S, AT THIS POINT IT IS KIND OF WATER, THE BRIDGE ON. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE WERE, THERE WERE A FEW RESIDENTS, MS. SCHWARTZ OF THE APPEARED. 
          VAL, WE'VE HAD A REGULAR COMMUNICATION THROUGH MY EMAIL THAT, THAT THEY'VE EMAILED ME AND SAID, IS IT ON THE AGENDA? IS NOT ON THE AGENDA. 
          WHAT'S THAT STATUS? THEY'VE BEEN PROACTIVE IN REACHING OUT OCCASIONALLY. 
          I SAID THEY PULLED OFF THE AGENDA WENT SORT OF A LAST MINUTE THING. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          SO THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY COMMUNICATION THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH. 
          OKAY. 
          IF YOU WANT TO GIVE ME YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS, I CAN PUT YOU ON OTHER EMAILS WITH THEM. 
          IF, IF SOMETHING ELSE COMES UP, REALLY THE NEXT TIME THIS WILL BE ON AN AGENDA, DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS. 
          TONIGHT WOULD BE THE 15TH FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I MEAN, I THINK OUR MAIN CONCERN IS THE ROAD, THE ROADS WIDENING. 
          IS THAT TRUE? YEAH. 
          I DON'T, I MEAN, IS THERE ANY ROAD WIDENING ON THAT CUP? I LOOKED AT THE PLAN NOW AND I DON'T BELIEVE SO. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT OH, OKAY. 
          ROAD WIDE. 
          YEAH. 
          I WAS GONNA ASK HOW, HOW IT'S ENCROACHING ON YOUR PROPERTY. 
          I THINK WE WERE READING IT AS THE ROAD WAS EXPANDING TO THAT OTHER LINE. 
          NO, THAT I BELIEVE THAT'S THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE. 
          THAT'S JUST, THAT'S THE 30 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY LINE THAT OKAY. 
          GOES ALONG THE ROAD. 
          THAT BASICALLY IS THE AREA WITHIN THAT IS NOT OWNED BY YOU NECESSARILY. 
          IT'S, THERE'S AN EASEMENT OVER IT WHERE WE CAN EXPAND, BUT THEY'RE NOT USING THAT EASEMENT. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE PROPOSING, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING TALKED ABOUT THAT. 
          ANYTHING ON YOUR PROPERTY. 
          WE ACTUALLY HAD ANOTHER, OUR OLD NEIGHBOR TOLD US NEIGHBOR, SO GOING BY HER. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ALSO TO CLARIFY, THE, THE ZONING HEARING BOARD NOTICE WAS MAILED IN 2023. 
          THAT DECISION WAS ISSUED IN JANUARY OF 2023. 
          AND I WENT TO, I WENT TO THAT MEETING AND I SAID, I DON'T GET, I DIDN'T GET ANY. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE ON THE CORNER. 
          SO WE'RE LIKE TECHNICALLY 8 0 3 
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ROAD THREE 70 LOVE LANE. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHERE, WHO'S NEXT. 
          GOT IT. 
          BUT YES, THERE'S NOTHING OCCURRING ON THE PROPERTY. 
          THAT'S JOHN MALLICK, 180 8 SPARES LANE. 
          UH, WE DISCUSSED THE BLASTING LAST MEETING HERE. 
          I DREW A VERY CRUDE BY EFFECTIVE SCHEMATIC OF THE DISTANCES FROM THE CORNER OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THE CEMETERY PROPERTY, UH, THE DEVELOPER'S PROPERTY AND MALICK PROPERTIES ALL INTERSECT. 
          SO THIS IS PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY. 
          UH, EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE BUILDING AND WELL IS ALL WITHIN 500 FEET OR SO OF THE BLASTING AREA. 
          MR. MAL, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE A POINT. 
          WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO ABILITY TO DENY THIS APPLICATION. 
          I GOT THAT. 
          I GOT THAT. 
          THAT'S TOTALLY, THAT THE, IT'S PREEMPTED COMPLETELY BY THE STATE. 
          WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY. 
          MY CONCERN IS THE GLASSING AND WELLS. 
          WE HAVE WELLS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M NOT GONNA BELABOR THE POINT. 
          ALL OUR BUILDINGS ARE THERE. 
          ALL THE BUILDINGS ARE OLD. 
          EVERYTHING'S FROM LATE 18 HUNDREDS. 
          THEY'RE ALL STONE FOUNDATIONS. 
          THE OTHER BUILDINGS ARE MASONRY. 
          WE ALL KNOW MASONRY CRACKS. 
          OKAY. 
          I'VE WITNESSED THE DESTRUCTIVE THINGS THAT HAPPENED BY BLASTING QUARRIES AND CONSTRUCTION SITES. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE THIS PART OF PUBLIC RECORD THAT OUR PROPERTIES AND OUR WELLS ARE ALL INCLUDED IN APPROXIMATELY A 500 FOOT RADIUS OF WHERE THE BLASTING IS GOING TO OCCUR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HIGHLY ADVISE YOU IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT BLASTING, TO HAVE A SURVEY DONE, HAVE THE VIDEO OF YOUR PROPERTY, HAVE THE CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY DOCUMENTED SO THAT IF BLASTING OCCURS AND THERE IS DAMAGE THAT OCCURS, YOU CAN SHOW THAT IN THE, THE INDIVIDUAL, THE FIRM THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BLASTING. 
          YOU GOT THAT FROM THE LAST MEETING I GOT ALL THAT. 
          THAT CAN THEN COVER THE DAMAGE I GOT. 
          THAT IS OUR RECOMMENDATION. 
          BEYOND THAT, WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL OVER THAT. 
          AND I GOT THAT. 
          THAT'S ALL STATE REGULATED. 
          I GOT THAT TOO. 
          THANKS. 
          I'M THE OTHER MALLICK. 
          GEORGE MALLICK, 180 3. 
          1 93 SPARES LANE. 
          YOU GUYS ALL HAVE, UH, A COPY OF THE CEMETERY BLASTING CONCERNS AND LEGAL ACTIONS. 
          SINCE I ONLY HAVE THREE MINUTES, I'LL MAKE THIS QUICK. 
          WANT JUST PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO ITEMS 24 THROUGH 39. 
          I'M NOT GONNA READ 'EM. 
          YOU GUYS CAN READ 'EM. 
          UH, WE ALL HAVE THESE SAME CONCERNS. 
          OKAY. 
          LIKE MY BROTHER SAID, OUR HOUSES ARE IN THE, IN EXCESS OF A HUNDRED YEARS OLD. 
          UM, WE HAVE THREE WELLS. 
          OKAY? WANT TO KNOW IF THE WELLS FAIL? WHO'S PAYING FOR IT? OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S PART OF IT. 
          WE'RE ALSO STILL CONCERNED ABOUT THE STORM ORDER MANAGEMENT. 
          UM, UPON MEETING WITH BEN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, HE SUGGESTED THAT INSTEAD OF BLASTING THE WHOLE 30 FOOT DEPTH, THAT HE WOULD TRY TO EXCAVATE WITH A HO RAM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BEFORE ANY BLASTING. 
          THAT BLASTING IN THAT AREA IS GONNA HAVE TO BE ABOUT 30 FEET DEEP. 
          OKAY. 
          VIBRATIONS ON THE GROUND ARE ONE THING. 
          VIBRATIONS IN THE GROUND COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. 
          OKAY? AND THAT'S ALL ROCK. 
          AND IT'S GONNA TRAVEL. 
          THERE'S GONNA BE DAMAGES, PRIVATE CONTAMINATION FOR THE WELL SEDIMENTATION INCLUDED. 
          UM, AND WE WANT TO KNOW WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR IT. 
          OKAY? SO WE HAVE CONCERNS ALL THE WAY AROUND. 
          THERE'S MORE THINGS WE WENT OVER ALL THESE LAST TIME. 
          I WOULD PRESENT TO YOU GENTLEMEN THAT ALL THESE CONCERNS, IF YOU APPROVE THIS TO GO FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, ALL THESE ARE CONVEYED TO THEM PRIOR TO HAVING A MEETING ON THIS. 
          AGAIN. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          NEXT, YES, LINDERMAN 1 93 LANE. 
          I'LL JUST GO OVER EVERYTHING AT ONE TIME. 
          I DO HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BLASTING BECAUSE I LIVE THERE. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP WHEN OUR WELLS ARE DAMAGED, HOW, WHAT IS THE PROCESS OF GETTING THOSE FIXED? IS SOMEBODY TRUCKING IN WATER? I'M NOT PAYING FOR THE WATER. 
          MY LANDLORD SHOULDN'T PAY FOR THE WATER. 
          WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR THE WATER WHEN THE WELLS GET CONTAMINATED OR THAT THEY REDUCE OUR WATER BECAUSE THE AQUIFER IS UP THERE. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THAT FOR THE BLASTING AND STUFF, WE HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT KIND OF PERMIT THEY GET AND GO THROUGH THE STATE AND KEEP DILIGENT ON THAT WITH THE WATER. 
          I KNOW THAT THIS IS GONNA AFFECT THE AQUIFER BECAUSE IT'S ON THE HILL AND THE AQUIFER RUNS DOWNHILL TO WHERE I LIVE. 
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WHAT'S BEEN DONE ABOUT THE, UH, SAFETY AND THE WATER CONCERNS? HOW WILL THIS AFFECT THE PROPERTY VALUES IN THE AREA? I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE STAGNANT WATER THAT WILL BE IN THE RETENTION POND, MOSQUITOES, SNAKES, ALL THAT KIND OF FUN STUFF. 
          HOW IS THAT BEING ADDRESSED? HOW WILL THE OIL AND THE SALT AND THE OTHER CONTAMINANTS BE FILTERED? HOW WILL THE WATER BEFORE LEAVING THAT PROPERTY TO COME DOWN INTO, THROUGH THE AQUIFER? INTO MY, WELL, AND UH, IS THERE ANY KIND OF TIMELINE ON THE EXPLOS? DO WE JUST NEED TO WAIT UNTIL THE SUPERVISORS COME THROUGH AND PRESENT THAT TO THEM? OR DO WE WAIT TILL THEY APPLY FOR THEIR SURE. 
          WE DO PERMITS. 
          WE DUNNO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT KIND OF QUESTIONS. 
          TECHNICAL QUESTION. 
          SO THAT'S ALL GOTTA BE ANSWERED WHEN THEY APPLY FOR THEIR PERMITS AND RIGHT. 
          FIGHT THE PERMITS ON THAT, THAT FRONT, WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE, WE HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN YES, I WANT TO KNOW THE RECORD ALL ABOUT THE COMPLAINTS. 
          UM, AND THE MAIN QUESTION, I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION THAT MR. MALICK HAD. 
          WHEN AND IF THE DAMAGE IS DONE, WHEN MY WATER IS AFFECTED, HOW AND HOW QUICKLY AND WHO WILL PAY FOR THAT? IT'S A LEGITIMATE QUESTION. 
          THAT'S MY QUESTION. 
          I'M NOT PAYING TRUCK WATER IN. 
          I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER. 
          OKAY. 
          IF, IF BLASTING OCCURS, IF YOU GUYS THINK THAT THERE'S DAMAGE THAT'S BEEN DONE TO YOUR PROPERTY, I WOULD PROBABLY REACH OUT TO THE DEVELOPER AS AN INITIAL STEP. 
          THEY CAN PUT YOU IN TOUCH WITH THE BLASTING COMPANY. 
          THEY HAVE INSURANCE, THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY INSURED TO COVER THESE TYPES OF DAMAGES. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST STEP. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I THINK THAT YOU CAN THEN REACH OUT TO DEP IF YOU, IF THERE ISN'T A RESOLUTION THERE. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S A WHOLE PROCESS IN PLACE FOR DOING THAT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THAT EXCEPT ALLOWING THEM TO DO IT. 
          SO THE TOWNSHIP HAS REGULATIONS IN PLACE. 
          IF THEY MEET THOSE REGULATIONS, WE DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO TURN 'EM DOWN. 
          WE CAN'T PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT PROJECTS WE DO OR DON'T LIKE. 
          WE ARE SIMPLY HERE CALLING BALLS AND STRIKES ON WHETHER THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IN PLACE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE CAN'T ADD NEW REQUIREMENTS. 
          WE CAN'T MAKE NEW RULES. 
          WE CAN'T HOLD THEM TO A HIGHER STANDARD. 
          THAT'S JUST NOT WHAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO. 
          WE HAVE RULES THAT ARE IN PLACE TO PROTECT THE COMMUNITY. 
          THE DEVELOPER HAS TO SHOW THAT THEIR PROJECT COMPLIES WITH THOSE RULES. 
          IF THEY DO, THEN IF EVEN IF WE DENY IT, A COURT'S GONNA TURN AROUND AND SAY, YOU GUYS, WE CAN'T. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND AS FAR AS THE TOWNSHIP RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NO, UM, REGULATIONS AGAINST BLASTING. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S, WE ARE NOT, THAT BLASTING IS ENTIRELY PREEMPTED BY THE STATE. 
          THAT MEANS THAT IF WE WERE TO ADOPT A REGULATION RELATED TO BLASTING, IT WOULD BE STRICKEN BY THE COURT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN PREEMPTED. 
          THERE'S CASE LAW THAT SAYS THAT IT'S PREEMPTIVE COURTS HAVE ALREADY DECIDED THIS IS FIELD PREEMPTION BY THE STATE. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU CAN'T REGULATE BLASTING IN ANY WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND MY CONCERN IS I HAVE HAD, UM, FAMILY MEMBERS AND FRIENDS THAT HAVE HAD, UM, PROBLEMS WITH BLASTING AND HAD TAKEN THE WATER AND IT WAS LITERALLY TENS OF THOUSANDS OR IF NOT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, ILLEGAL FEES AND YEARS TO GET THE COMPANY TO DO ANYTHING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT. 
          HI, MY NAME'S UH, MARK LANCO. 
          I REPRESENT HOLY GHOST CHURCH IN PHOENIXVILLE. 
          AND WE OBVIOUSLY OWN THE CEMETERY NEXT TO LOVER'S LANE. 
          I WAS UP HERE EITHER A YEAR AGO OR A COUPLE YEARS AGO. 
          OUR, OUR PRIMARY CONCERNS, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING WITH THE DEVELOPER, YOU MENTIONED IT, BUT WHERE ARE WE WITH AS FAR AS A BARRIER OR A FENCE BETWEEN WHERE THIS WOULD HAPPEN IN OURS, SINCE WE ARE LITERALLY RIGHT NEXT TO IT? ADJACENT TO IT. 
          UM, BUT THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY SOMETHING ABOUT I HEARD SOMETHING, BUT I WHAT, WHERE OKAY, SO WHAT IS THAT EXACTLY? DO YOU KNOW? OR YOUR WAY TO I, SO MY CLIENT MET WITH SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS BETWEEN THE LAST MEETING AND THIS MEETING. 
          YES. 
          AND IT WAS REQUESTED THAT A FENCE BE, UM, INSTALLED ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE AT THE, THE NORTH OF THERE ALONG LOT ONE, UM OKAY. 
          ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          SO THAT IS GOING TO BE ADDED TO THE PLAN. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT, UM, AND THAT, THAT IS, I'M SORRY, I'M HAVING TROUBLE. 
          I KNOW, THAT'S WHY I RIGHT HERE I WAS KIND, BUT YEAH. 
          SO WHERE'S THE, ALONG THE TOP THERE WHERE HIS AND THE CEMETERY IS? YEAH. 
          WHERE THE CEMETERY IS HERE. 
          RIGHT THERE. 
          THAT'S RIGHT THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT'LL BE BACK, UM, FROM WHERE THAT, DO YOU KNOW WHERE THAT IS AS FAR AS IN REGARDS TO THE TREE LINE THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE? LIKE HOW FAR BACK THAT FENCE WOULD BE? UM, IT WOULD BE ON LOT 
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ONE. 
          SO IT'S A QUESTION OF IT WOULD BE ON MY CLIENT'S SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M ASKING? LIKE AS FAR AS WHERE THE TREE LINE IS TO WHERE EXISTING RIGHT NOW ON OUR CEMETERY, BECAUSE WE HAVE A TREE LINE AND THEN OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE THE STUFF. 
          WELL, IF YOU DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY, WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS THAT THE PROPERTY, THE DEVELOPER OWNS THAT PROPERTY. 
          IF THEY WANT TO TAKE THOSE TREES DOWN AND PUT A FENCE UP, THEY CAN DO THAT. 
          NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW FAR BACK, LIKE WHERE, WHERE THAT WOULD BE AND HOW HIGH THE FENCE WOULD BE. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER I CAN GET THAT AN MAYBE I COULD GET AFTER THE MEETING AT THE LAST WEEK. 
          OKAY. 
          I KNOW MY CLIENT ASKED OUR ENGINEER TO ADD IT TO THE PLAN, BUT I THINK HE'S STILL IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT. 
          SO I CAN CERTAINLY GET YOU THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IT IS OUR RECOMMENDATION WITH ANY FENCE, WHETHER IT'S THIS OR ANY PROPERTY FENCE THAT IT BE ON THE PROPERTY LINE, WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE AN ISLAND OF PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE THAT REQUIRES LAW ONE'S HOMEOWNER TO GO OUT ONTO LOVER'S LANE WITH THEIR MOWER AND COME ACROSS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY TO MOW AN 18 INCH WIDE STRIP. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          SO THAT'S WHY OUR RECOMMENDATION AND OUR REVIEW WOULD LOOK TO MAKE SURE IT'S ON THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I'LL JUST, I'LL GET THAT INFORMATION FROM YOU THEN. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WAS OUR MAIN SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? EVERYBODY'S SEMI SATISFIED. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION, UH, JEFF TO, UH, THE SUPERVISORS YES. 
          TO, UH, MOVE THIS FORWARD. 
          YES. 
          UM, AND SO COMMENTS. 
          I'LL MAKE ONE. 
          UM, ALEX I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS BLASTING. 
          I, IT JUST, IT JUST CONCERNS ME. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT. 
          I GUESS, YOU KNOW, EVEN SINCE REGULATIONS DON'T REALLY GET INTO THE NITTY GRITTY, I AGREE THAT IF YOU DAMAGE SOMEBODY'S WEALTH, THEY'VE GOTTA PROVE THAT YOUR BLASTING CAUSED THAT DAMAGE. 
          AND IT COSTS THESE PEOPLE A LOT OF MONEY. 
          THEY GET A LAWYER AND GO FIGHT IT. 
          AND, AND I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I I JUST, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, THAT THAT WHOLE BLASTING THING, I'M, I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT. 
          BUT I MEAN, THEY DO IT EVERY DAY. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE GONNA HIRE OR THAT'S WHAT THEY DO, THEY'RE, I ASSUME THEY'RE VERY, VERY PROFICIENT AT IT. 
          UM, BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND, I CAN UNDERSTAND, UM, THE CURRENT RESIDENT'S CONCERNS FOR THEIR BUILDINGS AND OBVIOUSLY THE WATER. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND THOSE CONCERNS AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING YET. 
          MAYBE WE GOTTA WAIT TILL YOU HIRE THIS LASTER SO WE CAN TALK TO HIM. 
          BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY MADE ANY COMMENT. 
          I KNOW THAT WE WON'T FOLLOW THE REGULATIONS. 
          WE'LL FOLLOW THE REGULATIONS, BUT I'M NOT, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY SAY, HEY, WE KNOW THIS CAN WORK. 
          WE'VE DONE IT A HUNDRED TIMES. 
          AND, UM, AND I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT IT'S GONNA WORK. 
          I JUST, I'M JUST NOT THERE. 
          THAT'S ME. 
          THAT'S ME. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S ME. 
          I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR THE BOARD. 
          PLEASE MAKE YOUR COMMENT. 
          I UNDERSTAND, TOM, WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. 
          I THINK AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, BASED ON ZACH'S COMMENTS, I MEAN, WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY ZERO CONTROL OVER THIS WHOLE PLASTIC ISSUE PERIOD. 
          AND, UM, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO HIRE A CON, THEY WON'T HIRE A CONTRACTOR, PLASTIC CONTRACTOR UNTIL WE, UNTIL THE SUPERVISORS ULTIMATELY GIVE THEM APPROVAL TO PROCEED. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THEY KIND OF THING, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T DO ONE BEFORE YOU DO THE OTHER. 
          UM, I'M VERY SYMPATHETIC AND I'M SHARE YOUR CONCERNS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S POTENTIAL DAMAGE. 
          BUT AS YOU ALSO SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T THE FIRST DEVELOPMENT OF THIS NATURE THAT, THAT HAS HAD THIS ISSUE AND NOT THAT THAT MEANS IT'S, YOU KNOW, ERROR FREE AND IT'S, UH, NOT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE PROBLEMS. I MEAN, I JUST, I I DON'T KNOW HOW THERE'S ANY RESOLUTION SINCE WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IT. 
          BUT WHAT WE DO HAVE CONTROL OVER IS REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE THAT, THAT ARE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE COUNTRY. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE MY, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THEM HAVING TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO PROVE THAT THEIR BUILDING OR THEIR, THEIR, UM, WELL WAS DAMAGED. 
          AND I, I, I COULD IMAGINE THAT WOULD BE A NIGHTMARE. 
          BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WHY INVOLVE JERRY OUT OF OUR SCOPE TO YEAH. 
          TO DO THAT. 
          UM, WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH PLASTIC WE ALREADY SAID. 
          SO TAKE IT FROM THAT. 
          YOU, I THINK IT'S MORE THAN THE, THAT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL ACTIVITY OF PLASTIC. 
          OF COURSE WE HAVE, BUT WE CERTAINLY HAVE THE ACTIVITY TO, TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING THERE. 
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YEAH. 
          I, TOM, I, I'M SENSITIVE TO IT. 
          IT IS A STICKY ISSUE. 
          UM, AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS PLANNING BOARD DOES NOT HAVE A SAY IN CONSTRUCTION MEANS AND METHODS, YOU KNOW, AND THIS COULD APPLY TO, SOME OF THESE ISSUES COULD APPLY TO ANY PROJECT, WHETHER IT'S BLASTING OR JUST THE EQUIPMENT USED OR, OR WHATEVER. 
          AND IT, IT'S NOT OUR PURVIEW, I THINK TO HAVE A SAY IN THAT. 
          UM, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME TO, TO, TO SOME OF THE POINTS IT'S AT MADE, I MEAN THAT THE LEGAL SYSTEM EX EXISTS FOR PEOPLE TO TAKE RECOURSE AGAINST ENTITIES THAT CAUSE THEM DAMAGE. 
          RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, NOT TO SAME CALLOUS, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THAT. 
          UH, I THINK AS ZACH ALSO STATED EARLIER, YOU KNOW, IF A PROJECT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE AND IT MEETS THE ENGINEERING CRITERIA, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NO ABILITY, ABILITY TO STOP A PROJECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, SO I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS, BUT IT GETS KIND OF STICKY. 
          UM, MAYBE IT'S JUST A MATTER OF MAKING SURE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS AWARE OF THESE CONCERNS AND, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE CAN DICTATE, WELL, I DON'T THINK USE IS BLASTING OR NOT. 
          I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THIS MOVE FORWARD IS THE WAY WE KNOW IT TODAY. 
          WE'RE NOT DICTATING ANYTHING. 
          WE CAN'T, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          WE CAN DICT DICTATE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I, I DON'T THINK, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO SAY I DON'T THINK WE CAN STOP IT FROM GOING FORWARD JUST BECAUSE OF A CONCERN ABOUT A, A WAY THAT'S GONNA GET BUILT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO, SO, UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS THEN I'LL ASK, UH, FOR A PROPOSAL OR A NON PROPOSAL TO, UH, TO MOVE THIS AS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS? I'LL START. 
          I MEAN, I GET, YOU KNOW, MY, AGAIN, MY FEELING IS WITH THE CLEAN LETTERS OF RECOMME, YOU KNOW, CLEAN, UH, LETTERS FROM THE ENGINEERING REVIEW. 
          I SEE NO, UH, REASON TO NOT, UH, LET THE BOARD TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO PUT IT IN FORM OF A, A, A PROPOSAL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT THE PROJECT MOVE FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE, FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH A RECOMMENDATION, UH, FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO APPROVE. 
          IF I MAY INTERJECT. 
          UM, WE CAN INCLUDE IN THAT RECOMMENDATION THAT THE BOARD BE PROVIDED WITH THE INFORMATION HANDED OUT BY MS. SCHWARTZ THIS EVENING. 
          UM, AND ALL PREVIOUS INFORMATION, RIGHT. 
          ALLISON'S EMAIL, HE JUST FIGURED THAT HAPPENS AUTOMATICALLY. 
          IT IT DOES, BUT THERE, IT DOES NOT HURT TO PUT IT IN THE ACTUAL RECOMMENDATION SO THAT IT'S CLEAR. 
          I, I THINK THAT'S ALWAYS DO. 
          SO WE'LL ADD THAT TO HIS, UH, HIS MOTION THAT ALL INFORMATION IS SHARED WITH THE SUPERVISORS. 
          WELL, THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, I GUESS THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION PROVIDED TONIGHT, OBVIOUSLY THEY SEE THE REVIEW LETTERS AND ALL OF THAT. 
          IT, IT IS A QUESTION OF WHAT WAS HANDED OUT TONIGHT. 
          YEP. 
          YEP. 
          AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER, UH, ITEM THAT I WOULD MAYBE SUGGEST PUTTING AS A CONDITION, IF YOU WERE LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS TO IMPOSE, WOULD BE MAYBE A RECOMMENDATION TO INSTALL THE FENCE BETWEEN THE, UH, ONE AND PROPERTY. 
          UM, THAT COULD BE A RECOMMENDED, A RECOMMENDED CONDITION. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          AND FOR THE DEVELOPER TO SET UP IF HE PROCEEDS TO BLASTING AT THAT TIME, TO SET UP SOME SORT OF COMMUNICATION TO THE RESIDENTS, TO WHATEVER RESIDENTS WANT TO BE INFORMED OF WHEN THAT BLASTING MAKER. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE GOT A LOT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, IF, LIKE WE'RE SAYING, THE PERSON WHO DOES THE MINUTES CAN PUT TOGETHER. 
          WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY, ACTUAL SENTENCE IS THAT, GUYS, I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE ASKED. 
          YES. 
          RIGHT. 
          BOTH OF THOSE, BOTH ARE THOSE POINTS, DEFENSE AND, AND THE NOTIFICATION SYSTEM. 
          AND, UH, AND SO, UM, UH, AND, AND THAT TONIGHT'S COMMUNICATION TO BE SHARED, I THINK ALL THREE OF THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE PART OF THE MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, LET'S HOPE THAT, UH, THAT SHE CATCHES ALL THAT. 
          SO SHE WILL, I KNOW SHE'LL, I KNOW SHE WILL. 
          AND THEN I CAN, JEFF, APPROPRIATE , WE CAN WORK WITH ZACH AND I, WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT IT GETS, I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT IT. 
          I'M NOT CONCERNED. 
          UM, SO, SO WE HAVE A MOTION FROM JERRY TO, UM, RECOMMEND THIS TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. 
          UM, DO I HAVE A SECOND OR ANY OTHER OPINIONS? I'LL SECOND IT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WE GOT A SECOND. 
          SO I'LL ASK FOR RE VOTE. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          I OPPOSE, I OPPOSE. 
          I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE KNOWING ENOUGH INFORMATION ABOUT THIS BLAST. 
          I OPPOSE AS THOUGH I LEARN MORE. 
          AND, UH, I'M NOT SURE HOW TO LEARN MORE OTHER THAN TALKING TO YOUR, YOUR BLASTER. 
          UM, 
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BUT I I YOU BE ON SITE, TODD. 
          YEAH, I UNDERSTAND JERRY, YOU SAYING THAT THERE'S A LEGAL SYSTEM, BUT THESE POOR PEOPLE HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. 
          AND THAT THAT'S THE PROBLEM I HAVE. 
          SO I OPPOSED AND I GOT THAT. 
          GOOD. 
          THREE TO ONE. 
          THREE TO ONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WE MOVE ON TO, UH, UH, THIS NEW SUBDIVISION ON ARDEN, UH, RESERVE. 
          YES. 
          WHERE IS THAT AGAIN? CONTRALINE ROAD. 
          DETECTIVE GLEN ROAD, SOUTH OF MAIN STREETS. 
          UM, I THINK MR. CLEMENT WILL BE THE BETTER ADVOCATE FOR THIS THAN MYSELF. 
          SO, MR. CLEMENT, PLEASE TAKE THE STAND NEXT. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, MY NAME'S MIKE CLEMENT. 
          I'M AN ATTORNEY, UH, WITH LER CROSS. 
          I'M ALSO A PRINCIPAL IN THE OWNER OF THIS PROJECT. 
          I WANT TO BE COMPLETELY CLEAR AND TRANSPARENT ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, WITH ME ARE ORLANDO  JR. 
          WHO MY FOLKS. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          HEY, WE GOT ANOTHER MEETING GOING ON, SO IF YOU HAVE CONVERSATIONS, PLEASE GO OUTSIDE THE ROOM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          PLEASE KEEP YOUR CONVERSATIONS TO YOURSELF, PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, I'M, UH, HERE WITH, UH, MY PARTNER LINDA DEL GRIPPO JR. 
          AND, UH, HIS SON, WHO'S ALSO INVOLVED IN THE BUILDING BUSINESS, UH, DEL GRIPPO II. 
          I APPRECIATE THE TIME. 
          WE WANTED TO GET WAY OUT IN FRONT OF THIS, AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING A SKETCH PLAN BEFORE WE GO TO, UH, COMPLETE ENGINEERING. 
          UH, THE PROPERTY IS, UH, SOMEWHAT ODDLY CONFIGURED IN THAT IT'S A LONG, UH, IT'S A LONG DEEP, UH, PROPERTY THAT IS, UH, ON SOUTH TOWNSHIP LINE ROAD, IF I KNOW YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH YOUR OWN TOWNSHIP. 
          SO THE PROPERTY RIGHT UP FROM THIS, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PLAN IS THE SHOPPING CENTER. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, THE PROPERTY THAT IS ON THE REAR AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PLAN, UH, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS, UH, TOLL BROTHERS PROPERTY. 
          AND THE PROPERTY THAT IS BELOW IT, FOR THE MOST PART, UH, UP TO THAT CUTOUT IS ALSO THE TOLL BROTHERS PROPERTY. 
          SO THIS PROPERTY IS UNIQUELY ZONED IN THAT. 
          AND, AND QUITE FRANKLY, I, I BELIEVE IT'S IT'S REVERSE SPOT ZONED BECAUSE IT IS THE ONE LITTLE PENINSULA THAT RUNS IN BETWEEN SHOPPING CENTER AND R TWO AND, UH, FOR, I'M NOT, I'M SURE THERE WERE REAL GOOD REASONS WHY IT WAS LEFT THAT WAY, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT IS, NEVERTHELESS, UH, IN ZONE AGRICULTURAL, UH, AND RESIDENTIAL. 
          AND SO WE'RE DEVELOPING IT HOPEFULLY, UH, COMPLETELY IN ACCORDANCE WITH YOUR ORDINANCE. 
          UH, THE, WE SUBMITTED THIS SO THAT WE COULD GET, AS I SAID, OUT IN FRONT OF IT, THERE WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM. 
          UH, YOUR ENGINEER WROTE A LETTER, A REVIEW FOR THE SKETCH PLAN, WHICH I THINK YOU ALL HAVE, UH, MAY 26TH. 
          YOU GOT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND FOR THE MOST PART, WE FOUND NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER WITH THE ENGINEER'S LETTER. 
          UM, IT WILL THIS PLAN BECAUSE OF YOUR ORDINANCE, WHICH IS, UM, IT'S, UH, NOT RIGOROUS WITH RESPECT TO REAR LOTS. 
          IT SAYS THAT UPON THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION, THE, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MAY PERMIT OR WILL PERMIT REAR LOTS. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT IS THE FACT THAT THERE'S A, A CUL-DE-SAC. 
          WE DIDN'T WANT THIS TO LOOK LIKE A LANDING STRIP IN AN AIRPORT. 
          WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF, UM, IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. 
          UH, WE CAN MAKE THIS PLAN WORK WITH A, A LONGER CUL-DE-SAC, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE A WASTE OF RESOURCES. 
          UH, ALSO A, UH, A WHOLE LOT OF IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE THAT'S NOT REQUIRED. 
          SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE LAID IT OUT SO THAT THERE ARE SIX VERY LARGE, VERY ATTRACTIVE LOTS, TWO OF WHICH ARE REAR LOTS, BUT THEY DO MEET THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT IN THAT THEY HAVE 50 FOOT FRONTAGES ON THE CUL-DE-SAC, AS YOU SEE. 
          SO, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, OR ONE OF THE HOPEFUL, UH, ON MY PART, ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE HERE IS TO SEE HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, ABOUT REAR, THEY'RE ALL OVER, UH, UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE 
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LIVED IN THIS, UH, IN THIS COMMUNITY, AND GENERALLY IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR, YOU KNOW, 60 YEARS. 
          UM, AND I'VE DONE A LOT . 
          THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. 
          I LOVE IT HERE. 
          BUT I, I, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE COMMUNITY AND I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF REAR LOTS ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          AND THIS IS NO, NO BIG EXCEPTION. 
          ANOTHER COMMENT, UM, AND I WAS VERY HAPPY THAT JEFF, UM, REACHED OUT TO THE FIRE MARSHAL, AND I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH BECAUSE SOMETIMES FIRE MARSHALS ARE, ARE CONCERNED WHEN YOU HAVE LONG DRIVEWAYS. 
          SO, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION HERE IS THE, THE, FROM THE FIRE MARSHAL IS HE'D LIKE TO SEE, UH, AN APPROPRIATE PLAY, UH, APPROPRIATELY PLACED, UH, FIRE HARD. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          SO DO WE, BECAUSE OUR PEOPLE WANT IT, WHO ARE GONNA BUY THESE HOUSES BECAUSE IT HELPS THEIR INSURANCE AND GIVES 'EM SAFETY. 
          HE ALSO WANTED TO HAVE, UH, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, UH, CONSTRUCTION ON AND WITH RESPECT TO THE SHARED DRIVEWAY, I'M SURE WE CAN WORK WITH HIM ON THAT. 
          UM, ANOTHER QUESTION CAME UP, UH, ABOUT THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD IN THE FRONT IN TERMS OF, UH, 50 FEET, I THINK, UH, FROM THE CENTER LINE AS OPPOSED TO, UH, 40, IF I AM, THE, THE EMAIL THAT I HAVE FROM THE, FROM THE, FROM THE FIRE MARSHAL SAYS A MINIMUM OF 20 FEET WIDE. 
          SO EACH NO, I MEANT THE, OH, I APOLOGIZE. 
          UH, JEN, OH, I THINK YOU JUMPED BACK TO THEIR LETTER. 
          I'M JUMPING BACK TO BRIAN'S LETTER AND YEAH, I MEAN, JEN'S LETTER. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          JEN'S LETTER. 
          EVERYBODY'S LETTER. 
          EVERYBODY'S LETTER. 
          ANYWAY, JEN, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. 
          THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE CAUGHT THAT. 
          IS THAT FOR THE ULTIMATE RIGHT OF WAY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          SO WE JUST PUSH THE LINE BACK. 
          THAT JUST AFFECTS SETBACKS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND A LOTS, LOTS STILL WORK ON PAPER. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S A LINE ON PAPER. 
          SO I'M REALLY HOPEFUL THAT YOU CAN TALK TO ME ABOUT SOME ISSUES THAT YOU SEE WITH RESPECT TO THE LAYOUT. 
          HOW LONG IS THAT DRIVEWAY FROM THE CUL-DE-SAC CIRCLE? I BELIEVE IT'S AROUND 240 FEET. 
          WOW. 
          THAT WAS MY FIRST QUESTION, TOM. 
          AS LONG AS THE ENTRANCE AND YOU MOVING THAT CUL-DE-SAC DOWN TO MAYBE LIKE THE MIDDLE OF, OF THE TWO PROPERTIES, THE BACK ONES AND THE MIDDLE ONES, YOU THINK MAKES IT LOOK TOO LIKE A RUNWAY. 
          IT'S REAL UGLY. 
          I I MEAN, WE'VE BUILT, WE'VE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS, LENNY AND I, FOR, YOU KNOW, OVER 40 YEARS, AND YOU JUST HAVE A SEA OF BLACKTOP FOR SIX HOUSES. 
          YEAH, I GET THAT. 
          I'M, I'M WONDERING THOUGH, UH, BUT IF YOU DO THAT, SOMEBODY ELSE IS PLOWING THE SNOW ON THAT LONG DRIVEWAY. 
          AND THE WAY THIS PLAN IS, YOU'VE GOT THE SHARED DRIVEWAY BETWEEN TWO HOMES. 
          WHO, WHO PLOWS THE DRIVEWAY? WELL, WE, WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE. 
          IT IS A, UH, THERE'S A, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE AN EASEMENT THAT, UH, ZACH WOULD REVIEW IN TERMS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF SHARED, UH, RESPONSIBILITIES. 
          AND, AND WHILE I HAVE NOT TALKED TO THE PUBLIC WORKS OR BRIAN ABOUT THIS, I'M GONNA SPECULATE THAT WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA TAKE POSSESSION OF THIS ROAD. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM. 
          I MEAN, EVERYBODY'S PAYING TAXES. 
          EVERYBODY'S PAYING TAXES. 
          THAT'S A DISCUSSION WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE. 
          WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE IT BECAUSE I CANNOT UNDERSTAND. 
          UH, BUT IF IT'S A DRIVEWAY, THEN, THEN TOWNSHIP WOULDN'T TOUCH IT. 
          NO, NO. 
          I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CUL-DE-SAC PORTION. 
          NO, THE CUL-DE-SAC. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S ONE. 
          I'M JUST SAYING. 
          BUT YEAH, CERTAINLY IF, IF EVEN IF WE DO TOWNSHIP TAKES THE CUL-DE-SAC, THEY'RE NOT GONNA TOUCH THAT DRIVEWAY. 
          NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          BUT THEY SHOULD TAKE, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I DRAW THE LINE WITH, WITH A LOT OF, OF THESE THINGS. 
          I WANT TO BE AS GOOD A NEIGHBOR AS I POSSIBLY CAN AND AS GOOD A DEVELOPERS I POSSIBLY CAN. 
          BUT THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING TAXES FOR A PUBLIC ROAD THAT'S BEING BUILT IN ACCORDANCE WITH PUBLIC STANDARDS AND PENDO STANDARDS AND FOR THE TOWNSHIP. 
          AND I DON'T THINK IT'S, I REALLY DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT IS LEGAL. 
          THE PROBLEM WITH THAT ARGUMENT IS THAT FOR EVERY OTHER ROAD THAT, THAT PEOPLE PAY TAXES TO, WE GET A PORTION OF THAT TAX FOR LIQUID FUELS FOR THIS SHORT OF A ROAD. 
          WE DON'T GET LIQUID FUELS. 
          YEAH, YOU DO. 
          IT'S OVER. 
          IT'S OVER. 
          SURE. 
          WE JUST, AS A PUBLIC ROAD, IT'S OVER THE, UH, ROAD, JEN, IT'S OVER THE DISTANCE FOR PUBLIC FUEL TAX. 
          I, I I THINK IT'S 300 FEET. 
          I, I I THOUGHT IT WAS SIX, 600 FEET. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I MAY BE WRONG. 
          HOW LONG HE'S LONG CULDESAC GROUP? HE SAID 600. 
          BRIAN SAYS HE THOUGHT SIX. 
          YEAH, NO, BRIAN SAYS, OKAY. 
          YOU'RE SAYING IT IS 600 BRIAN? YEAH, IT'S, IT IS, UH, THE REQUIREMENT, NOT THE, OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          SO HOW LONG IS THIS ROOM 
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PUT PUT BRIAN HIT THE, PUT HIM RIGHT ON THE HOT SEAT. 
          BRIAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, WE, WE COULD GET MORE INFO ON THIS. 
          I, THAT, THAT, THAT I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION WE CAN ALSO DEFER TO PRELIMINARY PLAN IF THEY, IF THEY GO PAST THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT 400 FEET. 
          400. 
          SO IT DOESN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENT. 
          IF, IF I'M RECALLING, IF I'M RECALLING CORRECTLY THAT THE REQUIREMENT IS 600 FEET, MY LITTLE SCALE USING MY TWO FINGERS WAS ABOUT 400 FEET. 
          BRIAN. 
          VERY SCIENTIFIC. 
          BRIAN. 
          HIGHLY SCIENTIFIC. 
          ALRIGHT, WELL THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DELVE INTO A LOT MORE. 
          RIGHT? WELL, WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT MAYBE MOVING THAT CUL-DE-SAC DOWN FURTHER. 
          MAYBE THAT'S A SOLUTION NOW THAN THEY THINK IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD FOR, NOT ONLY DOESN'T YEAH. 
          FORGIVE ME FOR NOT ONLY DOESN'T LOOK GOOD, BUT IT'S NOT ENVIRONMENTALLY, IT'S NOT ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE WHEN YOU START MOVING, YOU KNOW, ROADS LIKE THAT AROUND. 
          YOU'RE NOT, THESE ARE, THESE ARE LARGE PIECES OF IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. 
          WE UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          YEAH, I KNOW YOU DO. 
          WE TALK ABOUT IMPERVIOUS ALL THE TIME, . 
          YEAH, I, I HEAR YOU. 
          I'D BE INTERESTED IN, IN JEN'S ANALYSIS OF WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IN THE, IN THE PAVING WOULD BE IF YOU MOVED IT VERSUS THE WAY YOU HAVE IT. 
          IT DOESN'T LOOK TO ME LIKE IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT, BUT IT, IT MAY BE, BUT YOU KNOW, I, TO YOUR POINT, OKAY, FAIR ENOUGH. 
          THE, UH, I WOULD FEEL LOT MORE COMFORTABLE. 
          THAT CIRCLE WAS MOVED DOWN TO THAT MIDPOINT THERE. 
          IT SAYS 50 OR 60 FEET, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS IN BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, TWO AND THREE, THAT LINE FOUR AND FIVE. 
          NOW, AESTHETICALLY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS. 
          I, YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE A BETTER VISION OF THAT THAN I DO. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT, I SAID IT MAKES AS PROPERTIES WORTH MORE, DOESN'T IT? FROM A REAL ESTATE STANDPOINT. 
          I KNOW WE SHOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT THAT, BUT, UM, THEN THEY'RE COMING OFF OF A CUL-DE-SAC. 
          YES, YOU GET CLOSER. 
          I, THAT'S SOMETHING, LOOK, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. 
          WANT TO HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK AND WE WANT TO TAKE IT BACK AND CONCENTRATE AND HOPEFULLY FIGURE SOMETHING OUT THAT MAKES EVERYBODY HAPPY. 
          UM, IF WE, SORRY IF I, I'LL CORRECT MY, BASED ON MY RESEARCH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A 250 FOOT REQUIREMENT TO QUALIFY FOR LIQUID FUEL. 
          YEAH. 
          I THOUGHT IT WAS 300. 
          I I SAW I'M WRONG AS WELL. 
          UH, BUT I KNEW IT WAS 'CAUSE WE, WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION SO MANY TIMES, BUT NEVERTHELESS, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T IF IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENT FOR LIQUID FUELS TAX, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT LEGALLY THE TOWNSHIP CAN SAY, OH, WE DON'T WANT THAT ROAD. 
          WE DON'T LIKE IT. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S JUST NOT, I, I DISAGREE, MIKE. 
          I THINK ULTIMATELY THE TOWNSHIP HAS ABSOLUTE DISCRETION WHETHER OR NOT IT ACCEPTS APPROPRIATE. 
          BUT I WOULDN'T EXPECT YOU TO AGREE WITH THAT . 
          BUT I THINK YOU'RE WRONG. 
          HONESTLY, THAT'S REALLY NOT A DECISION THAT'S GONNA BE MADE BY THE, WE CERTAINLY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF WHETHER TO ACCEPT IT OR NOT. 
          BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S GONNA COME UP TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND IT WILL REALLY NOT OCCUR UNTIL, YOU KNOW, IT'S BUILT AND READY TO HAND OVER AND THEN THEY CAN MAKE A DECISION AT THAT POINT. 
          SO, I MEAN, I, I AGREE. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S WORTH GETTING BOGGED OUT IN THE DISCUSSION. 
          IT, IT, IT'S, THIS IS ALL, YOU KNOW, TENTATIVE, YOU KNOW, SKETCH IT, BUT I REMOVE THAT CULDESAC DOWN. 
          YOU KNOW ME. 
          THAT'S JUST MY HUMBLE WELL, I I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT ON THAT. 
          YOU'RE ASKING FOR OUR RECORD, YOU KNOW? YEAH, I HEAR YOU FEEDBACK AND I THINK ALL THIS AGREE THAT SUGGESTION THAT THAT CUL-DE-SAC, WE'VE GOT THE LEAST THAT 50 FOOT MARK OR WHATEVER THAT LINE IS, 50 OR 60 FEET, WHATEVER THAT SAYS. 
          WELL, GIVEN THAT THEN, HOW WOULD THIS TOWNSHIP, I MEAN, HOW WOULD THIS PLANNING COMMISSION FEEL, UM, IN CONSIDERING REAR LOTS THEN? I MEAN FLAG LOT. 
          I DON'T HOW DO THE TWO CONNECT? I DON'T. 
          TELL ME WHERE WE, WHERE YOU THINK IT IS A PROBLEM. 
          JUST BACK TO WHAT MIKE SAID AND WHAT WAS RAISED IN JEN'S LETTER, THE PORTION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE SAYS THAT YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO USE THESE REAR LOTS WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. 
          YEP. 
          SO THEY WOULD BE LOOKING FOR RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON WHETHER YOU AGREE THAT THIS SHOULD BE A REAR LOT AND THE, THE REAR LOT IS CREATED BECAUSE THEY'RE KEEPING THE CUL-DE-SAC AT CERTAIN LENGTH AND THEN THEY'RE GOING INTO THE DRIVEWAY. 
          THEY EXTEND THE CUL-DE-SAC ALL THE WAY OUT. 
          THEN THEY'RE NOT REAR LOTS 'CAUSE THEY'RE, THEY HAVE FRONTAGE, BUT THERE ARE, YEAH. 
          AND YOU RUN INTO CATCH 22 BECAUSE NOW WE'RE EXCEEDING THE LENGTH THAT YOU ALLOW FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR, UH, CUL-DE-SACS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN IMPOSSIBLE SITUATION. 
          WE CAN'T BUILD THIS. 
          THEN WE END UP COMING BACK AND SAYING, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA PRESS THE ISSUE ON, UH, YOU KNOW, REVERSE BOT ZONING BECAUSE WE GOTTA BUILD THIS, THIS WHOLE DAMN THING. 
          SO WE'RE NOT THERE. 
          BUT I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM IF WE MOVE THE CUL-DE-SAC DOWN TO WHERE THAT LINE IS, THEN 
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YOU GOT SOME REAR LOTS WITH, WITH SHORT DRIVEWAYS. 
          DO YOU SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? I PERSONALLY DO NOT, BUT I, I HEAR JEN'S OPINION. 
          I DON'T EITHER. 
          IT'S NOT MY OPINION. 
          WELL, WHAT, WHAT YOUR, YOUR FEEDBACK, THERE'S A, THERE ARE OTHER INSTANCES IN THE TOWNSHIP WHERE THIS IS, UM, A SITUATION AND THERE'S CROSS LOT ACCESS EASEMENTS PROVIDED, UM, FOR THOSE LOTS. 
          AND LIKE THE SNOW REMOVAL, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S UTILITIES IN THOSE AREAS AS WELL. 
          SO THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN, IT'S PURVIEW OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. 
          I DON'T HAVE A TECHNICAL REASON WHY IT SHOULDN'T BE THERE. 
          SO, WHICH WE ARE AWARE WE MOVED OR WHERE IT IS TODAY, WHERE IT IS TODAY OR MOVED OR OKAY. 
          OR MOVED. 
          OR MOVED. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, SO IT'S UP TO US TO SAY WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT MOVED. 
          OUR RECOMMENDATION TO SUPERVISOR IS THAT HAS MOVED, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING AT THIS POINT. 
          AT THIS POINT. 
          AND I KNOW WE GOTTA COME BACK WITH A FULLY ENGINEERED PLAN FOR YOU TO LOOK AT. 
          AND WE'RE, THAT'S, LIKE I SAID, TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF THE GAME HERE. 
          UM, THE OTHER ISSUE THEN IS THE, UH, WITH RESPECT TO ROAD WIDENING INSIDE, THIS IS A PENDOT ROAD. 
          UM, AND SO THERE, IT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT WOULD BE KIND OF A WASTE TO WIDEN AND PUT IN SIDEWALKS ON THIS ISLAND. 
          I, I DON'T CULDESAC, EXCUSE ME. 
          ARE YOU CALLING ME? NO, I'M TALKING, I APOLOGIZE AGAIN. 
          TOWNSHIP LINE ROAD, TOWNSHIP LINE ROAD. 
          I SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLEARER. 
          OH, TOWNSHIP LINE ROAD, STATE ROAD. 
          RIGHT. 
          HE'S TALKING ABOUT DO THAT ON TOWNSHIP LINE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO, THERE IS NO SIDEWALK ANYWHERE UPWARD. 
          SO YOU, YOU KNOW, AND AND WIDENING FOR SIX HOMES SEEMS TO BE AN AWFUL LOT. 
          SO WE WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD, UH, GIVE US SOME BELIEF. 
          I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN REQUEST A WAIVER FOR BECAUSE IT'S IN OUR SUBDIVISION LAND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, BUT ULTIMATELY WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEFER TO WHAT PENNDOT WANTS. 
          YEAH, I KNOW. 
          SO , SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN ASK FOR THE WAIVER AND THIS BOARD, WE, WE LOOK AT WAIVERS DURING PRELIMINARY PLAN. 
          YOU CAN, YOU CAN ASK FOR IT DURING THAT PROCESS AND IF THEY RECOMMEND AND IF THE BOARD APPROVES IT, I GOT IT, JEFF, BUT THANKS. 
          BUT AGAIN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, ALMIGHTY PEN OUT'S GONNA SAY, OH, I KNOW WHAT HAPPENS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THEY'RE GONNA TELL US WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. 
          AM I WRONG, BRIAN? I MEAN, NO, YOU'RE NOT WRONG. 
          UM, TO, TO THAT END, I WOULD SUGGEST GETTING, UH, INDEPENDENT AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE. 
          IT'S OUR NEXT STEP. 
          YOUR THE LOCATION OF THE CUL-DE-SAC, UH, ACCESS OR ROAD A INTERSECT. 
          SOUTH TOWNSHIP LINE ROAD IS AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF WHERE THERE IS A TRANSITION FOR NORTHBOUND TOWNSHIP LINE ROAD FROM ONE LANE TO TWO LANES. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YOU'RE ACTUALLY KIND OF PARTIALLY IN THE BEGINNING OF THAT TAPER. 
          AND SO, UM, THEY MAY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE EXACT LOCATION WHERE ROAD A IS. 
          THEY MAY SAY IT NEEDS TO MOVE 50 FEET SOUTH, A HUNDRED FEET SOUTH. 
          YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA SAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          AND NONE, NONE OF US DO. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, THEY, BUT BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT IS AN INTEGRAL PART TO YOUR OVERALL SITE LAYOUT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK, UH, BRIAN. 
          UM, BUT THAT IS OUR NEXT STOP. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          IF, IF I MIGHT JUST ADD ONTO THAT, THERE'S ONE COMMENT THAT, UM, FROM ME THAT, THAT SOMEHOW DIDN'T MAKE OUR, OUR LETTER. 
          UM, AND THAT IS JUST TO CONFIRM THAT YOU'VE GOT ADEQUATE SIGHT DISTANCE AT YOUR PROPOSED INTERSECTION. 
          OBVIOUSLY THAT'S PART OF THE WHOLE PEN UP PROCESS, BUT ALSO VERY IMPORTANT TO YOUR BEING ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PLAN IS THAT YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH AND IT'S CERTAINLY HEAVILY VEGETATED TO THE SOUTH. 
          IT IS. 
          AND KNOWING, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH CAN YOU TRIM BACK BEFORE YOU GET TO YOUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY? WELL, THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL GONE BECAUSE THE, THE ACTUALLY WHAT THERE WAS THERE, AND I, I THINK IT WAS GOING, IT'S GONE. 
          THE, THE, THE TREES WERE GROWING OUT OF THE LITERALLY, LITERALLY OUT BARN IN THE HOUSE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEY'RE DOWN. 
          SO THAT VEGETATION'S GONE. 
          AND WE HAVE ASKED OUR GUYS TO GO OUT, OUR ENGINEERS TO GO OUT AND NOT ONLY EYEBALL THIS, BUT TAKE MEASUREMENTS. 
          WE, WE LIKE YOUR COMMENT. 
          WE GOTTA GO TO PENNDOT. 
          OKAY. 
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I HAVE ONE OTHER SORT OF OBSERVATION I WANTED TO ASK YOU. 
          UM, LOT TWO. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          SEEMS RELATIVELY CLOSE TO THE HIGH TENSION LINES. 
          I MEAN, IS THERE SOME MINIMUM DISTANCE THAT'S RECOMMENDED THAT NO BUILDINGS BE BACK OFF OF HIM? NO, I, THERE'S NOTHING IN OUR ORDINANCE. 
          I I, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING IN WRITING. 
          I DID HAVE VERY EARLY ON IN MY PLANNING CAREER SOME RESEARCH INTO THIS AND THERE WAS NEVER ANYTHING PROVEN THAT, THAT, THAT IT CAUSES ANY SORT YEAH. 
          ANY SORT OF ADVERSE EFFECTS. 
          YEAH. 
          THE BUYERS, SOME BUYERS WILL NOT LIKE IT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, THAT'S OUR PROBLEM. 
          BUT JUST FOR YOUR EDIFICATION, THE, UM, THE HIGH TENSION WIRES ARE ON THE NORTH END. 
          I MEAN THE SOUTH END, THE TOP OF THE PLAN, THERE'S A LOW TENSION WIRE. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY, THERE'S HIERARCHY. 
          I, I GET IT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE WAY THEY LAY OUT THEIR LINES, THE WAY THEY LAID OUT THEIR LINES. 
          SO THE VERY LOW, LOW, LOW VOLTAGE, WHAT SIZE ARE THESE HOUSES DO YOU PLAY HERE? HOW BIG? PROBABLY VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT, UH, TOLL BROTHERS IS BUILDING. 
          UH, PERHAPS SOME SMALLER, SOME LARGER. 
          BUT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF, MY GUESS IS AROUND 3,500 SQUARE FEET, UH, THEREABOUTS. 
          AND WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT WOULD BE THE STARTING PRICE? WELL, YOU GET THE DARTBOARD AND TAKE A SHOT AT IT. 
          WELL, TOLL BROTHERS RIGHT NOW IS ASKING OVER A MILLION DOLLARS FOR EACH ONE OF THEIR SURE. 
          I KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          WOULDN'T THINK ANY LESS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YOU'RE GONNA BE IN THAT BALL. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M JUST ALWAYS CONSIDERING OUR CONCEPT. 
          WE'RE NOT BUILDING, AND I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO DO, THIS IS NOT YOUR ISSUE. 
          YOU KNOW, LOWER INCOME HOUSING IS NOT, NOBODY'S DOING THAT. 
          I UNDERSTAND WHY, BUT IT'S JUST, IT JUST CONCERNS ME. 
          WELL, WE'D LOVE TO DO IT IF, IF, UH, IF YOU WOULD CHANGE THE ZONING FOR US AND GET US SOME SEWER AND WATER. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL DO ALL THE LOWER END HOUSING YOU'D LIKE. 
          WELL, SOME I DIDN'T DO THAT. 
          I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO THIS EVERY TWO WEEKS AND ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN, ALL THE HOUSES ARE BEING BUILT. 
          THIS TOWNSHIP RIGHT NOW ARE STARTING A MILLION PLUS. 
          AND IT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST, I MEAN, THAT'S GOOD FOR ME, BUT I HAVE A HOUSE IN THIS PROBLEM. 
          BUT STILL, IT'S JUST, IT JUST CONCERNS ME THAT THE GOVERNMENT OR SOMEBODY SOME DAYS GONNA SAY, HEY GUYS, YOU HAVE NO ENOUGH LOW INCOME HOUSING IN THIS TOWN IN NEW JERSEY. 
          THEY HAVE A, A CAPITAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          THEY, THEY HAVE AN CERTAIN REQUIREMENT, OR FOR EVERY, AND MY KNOWLEDGE ON THIS IS ANTIQUATED, BUT GENERALLY IT'S FOR EVERY EIGHT HOUSES YOU BUILD OR EVERY YEAH. 
          EVERY EIGHT HOUSES YOU BUILD. 
          ONE HOUSE HAS TO BE A LOW AND MODERATE INCOME QUALIFIED HOUSE WHERE YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO QUALIFY FOR YOUR INCOME HAS TO GO THROUGH THE STATE AND ALL THAT. 
          NOTHING IN PENNSYLVANIA REQUIRES THAT LEVEL OF ADMINISTRATION WHEN IT COMES TO PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          WE DO LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF, UNFORTUNATELY AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THIS TOWNSHIP IS $400,000 AND THAT TENDS TO BE TOWNHOUSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE HAVE TO TRADE DENSITY FOR THE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, THE LOWER COST HOUSING. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND IN A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS, IT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT MAKES SENSE. 
          NO, AND I'M NOT, LIKE I SAY, IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT, IT'S NOT YOUR PROBLEM. 
          I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT WE CONTINUE TO DO THIS AND, UH, WELL, LEMME MAKE ONE COMMENT, UH, JEFF KNOWS WE'VE BUILT HERE BEFORE IN YOUR TOWNSHIP. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE BEEN WELL RECEIVED AND HOPEFULLY, AND UH, AND WE'VE, WE'VE BUILT, WE COULD BUILD THESE HOUSES BEFORE COVID AND SELL THEM FOR UNDER $500,000. 
          OKAY. 
          LET THAT, LET THAT SINK IN. 
          OH, I, WE UNDERSTAND. 
          WE UNDERSTAND. 
          AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S NOT YOUR ISSUE. 
          I I'M NOT, I'M JUST MAKING A COMMENT. 
          NO, IT'S GOOD. 
          I, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR YOU GUYS TO SAY, OKAY, WE'LL PUT A COUPLE TOWNHOUSES IN THERE AND SELL 'EM FOR 300. 
          I'M NOT LOOKING YOU DO THAT. 
          I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING WE, WE CONTINUALLY SEE THIS TYPE OF PROPERTY BEING BUILT. 
          ANYWAY, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE WE SHOULD ASK ABOUT? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ASK US ABOUT? I DO, AND I CAN'T REALLY SEE IT FROM THIS PLAN, BUT IS THERE ANY EXCEL LANE OR DECEL LANE? I MEAN, TRAFFIC IS FLYING UP THERE. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          UM, WHERE THE, THE, UH, RADIUS IS ON ROAD A, DO YOU SEE THAT? YES. 
          RIGHT ABOVE THAT THERE'S A LANE THAT, UH, BRIAN WAS DESCRIBING THAT TAPERS. 
          SO YEAH, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY 
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AND, AND LIKELY WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IS, IS UH, MAYBE EXTEND THAT TAPER A LITTLE BIT WHERE THE TRIANGLE IS, AND THAT MIGHT SATISFY PEN. 
          I'M NOT SURE. 
          BUT YOU SEE, YOU SEE THE, THE, THE LIGHT LINE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT'S ON AN ANGLE ON THE, ON THE, UH, SOUTH TOWN SHAFT LINE ROAD. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND THAT, UH, IN THAT TRIANGLE BETWEEN THE DARK LINE AND THE LIGHT LINE, IT'S LIKELY PENNDOT'S GONNA SAY, HEY, GET, GET SOME, GET SOME UH, BLACK TOP IN THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          INTERESTING. 
          SO WHAT'S THEIR RULE HERE, ZACH? UM, I MEAN THIS IS TENTATIVE, RIGHT? THIS IS TENTATIVE. 
          SO THEY WOULD LOOK FOR A RECOMMENDATION FOR YOU AND BARRING THEM DECIDING TO NOT COME TO THE PLANT, THE BOARD MEETING, THEY WILL BE ON THE BOARD AGENDA FOR THE 15TH, THE BOARD MEETING. 
          BUT WE CAN'T PUT THE STIPULATION THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT CUL-DE-SAC MOVED. 
          YEAH. 
          YEP. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU TO THE, UH, SORRY, ITSELF, THE EAST EAST. 
          UM, SO, UH, ANYBODY WANT TO DO THAT ONE? WELL, YOU MOVE THE CUL-DE-SAC DOWN A LITTLE BIT THEN. 
          DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO SEPARATE THE DRUGS? I THINK IT WOULD. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT'S MORE MECHANICAL. 
          NO, NO, THAT'S OKAY. 
          IT'S UP TO, UM, I THINK THAT WE'LL HAVE TO DISCUSS WITH YOUR FIRE MARSHAL. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK DETAILS LIKE THAT CAN GET WORKED OUT WHEN THEY WORK, WHEN THEY JUST DETERMINE IF THEY, IF IT'S FEASIBLE OR WHAT THE BOARD'S OPINION WE'D LOVE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'D LOVE TO SEPARATE THE DRIVEWAYS. 
          QUITE FRANKLY. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER SELLING POINT. 
          YOU GOT FUTURE ARGUMENTS, YOU KNOW. 
          YEAH, I'D LOVE TO. 
          I THINK YOU WOULD'VE AN ISSUE. 
          I THINK THE FIRE MARSHAL WOULD'VE QUESTION. 
          I WANT MAKE SURE YOUR FIRE MARSHAL DOESN'T STEP ON ME. 
          WELL, HE IS TALLER THAN HIM, SO HE COOKS. 
          HE CAN'T, HE CAN'T, HE CAN'T SPEAK FOR HIM. 
          HE'S PRETTY TALL. 
          SO, SO, UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? JARED? JOE, THANKS. 
          ALRIGHT, SO I'LL MAKE THE, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION THAT, UM, UM, WE TENTATIVELY SEND THIS TO, UH, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR WITH A TENTATIVE APPROVAL WITH THE NOTION THAT, UH, THAT YOU MOVE THE CUL-DE-SAC, UM, UH, MAYBE DOWN TO THE EAST. 
          AND, UH, AND BRIAN'S RECOMMENDATION, MAKE SURE YOU GET A HOLD OF PEN DOC, THE SIGHT LINES, AND THEN ALL THAT STUFF IS COVERED. 
          AND, UH, UM, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION FOR MY, UH, MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          JERRY'S, GIVE A SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          THANKS FOR YOUR TIME, GENTLEMEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HEY JACK. 
          GOOD LUCK. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, JEFF, 
          [DISCUSSION: FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]
WHAT HAVE WE GOT? I, YEAH, IT'S FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. UM, WELL FIRST I WANNA TAKE A SIDE STEP. 
          IF YOU NOTICE I'VE GOT A NEW POWERPOINT OUT. 
          UM, WE, WE'VE, THE TOWNSHIP IS IN THE PROCESS OF REDESIGNING THEIR WEBSITE, REDOING A LOGO, NOT A LOGO IN TERMS OF WHAT WE USED TO HAVE, BUT GENERALLY SOME WORD ART THAT SORT OF REPRESENTS THE TOWNSHIP A LITTLE BIT BETTER. 
          IT'S A LITTLE CLEAR. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE BOARD INTERNALLY TO GET SOME, SOME NEW COLORS AND SOME NEW, UM, JUST A NEW LOOK, A NICE CLEAN LOOK. 
          SO WE'VE CHANGED THE POWERPOINT. 
          DID NOTICE A NEW SIGN? WELL, THE, THE ISSUE WITH THE SIGN, THE ISSUE WITH THE SIGN WAS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT IT TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO, WHAT IF WE WERE GONNA REPLACE HER OR NOT. 
          WHEN ONE, A MEMBER OF NO, IT, IT IS A FUNNY STORY, SORT OF A FUNNY STORY. 
          WHEN A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WORKS COM CREW LOOKED AT IT TO SEE HOW IT WAS ATTACHED, WHAT IT WAS HE SAW THAT WAS ONLY BEING HELD ON BY TWO BOLTS AND THE, THE STRUCTURE AND THE SIGN WERE BOTH BOEING. 
          SO IT COULD HAVE LANDED ON JEN . 
          THANKS YOU, JIM. 
          WELL, FIXING THAT. 
          I I DID NOT, I DID NOT FIX THAT STRATEGICALLY. 
          SEE JEN REAGAN . 
          WELL, FIRST OFF, I WOULDN'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN TO JEN, BUT IT WOULD'VE HAPPENED TO THE POLICE CHIEF AND THE FIRE CHIEF. 
          IT WAS AT A BOARD MEETING THAT'S A LITTLE MORE DRAMATIC. 
          UM, SO THAT SIGN IS DOWN. 
          WE ARE DISCUSSING SOME OTHER OPTIONS OF WHAT TO PUT THERE AND, AND HOW THIS IS GONNA OPERATE. 
          UM, BUT OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, YOU'LL SEE SOME THINGS ROLL OUT. 
          WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE CHANGING OUR WEB ADDRESS INSTEAD OF UPPER U PRO-MONKO.ORG FOR GOING WITH A.GOV ADDRESS. 
          IT'S SAFER. 
          IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE, I DON'T KNOW THE WHOLE PROCESS BEHIND IT, BUT IT IS EFFICIENT, MORE 
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EFFICIENT. 
          IT'S MORE OFFICIAL. 
          IT HELPS OUT OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO GET, UM, CLASSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          IF YOU'RE DO DOG, IF YOU'RE A.ORG, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE WIDE OPEN. 
          SO THE POWERPOINT IS NEW. 
          YOU'LL SEE SOME NEW BUSINESS CARDS. 
          YOU'LL SEE SOME, THE WEBSITE WILL BE NEW. 
          UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT IT OUT. 
          IT'S SORT OF A, SO DO WE GET A T-SHIRT OR ANYTHING? NO, UH, WE COULD TALK TO SUE. 
          SUE IS SUE. 
          SUE HOFFMAN IS THE T-SHIRT QUEEN. 
          HER DEPARTMENT HAS A T-SHIRT FOR EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK. 
          IT DOESN'T REALLY WORK FOR PLANNING. 
          IT DOESN'T. 
          I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO SWING THAT. 
          I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE TO DO T-SHIRT YET. 
          I MIGHT WORK ON THAT, BUT, UM, YEAH, SO WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. 
          UM, NOW IN TERMS OF FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, WE HAVE SPRING FORD WALK, WHICH IS READY TO GO. 
          IT COULD HAVE BEEN ON TONIGHT, BUT, BUT THE DEVELOPER'S DAUGHTER'S GRADUATING FROM SPRING FORD, SO HE THOUGHT THAT WAS MORE IMPORTANT. 
          I, I'LL GIVE HIM THAT. 
          UM, SO THEY WILL BE ON, UM, THERE'S A CHANCE PROVIDENCE OF STORAGE COULD BE ON PHASE TWO. 
          IT'S A FAIRLY, FAIRLY SMALL LAND DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, IT REALLY IS. 
          SHOULDN'T BE THAT COMPLICATED. 
          BUT OF COURSE YOU GET STORMWATER IN THERE AND IT ALWAYS IS. 
          BUT WE'RE HOPING THAT THAT PLAN IS CLEAN AND READY TO GO JULY 1ST. 
          I'M NOT SURE WE'RE REALLY GONNA HAVE MUCH. 
          I THOUGHT WE ALREADY DECIDED WE WERE GOING TO. 
          NO, YOU HAD MADE A WE SAID WE WERE GONNA HAVE A MEETING. 
          YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A MEETING. 
          OH, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          WE DID SAY WE, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE ALL AVAILABLE. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THE, THE ONLY REALLY, THE ONLY ONE THAT MIGHT BE QUEUED UP BY THAT POINT IN TIME WOULD BE WHITAKER, THE, THE MONTCLAIR TOWN HOMES OF WHITAKER. 
          AND WE KNOW MRS. RAKI DOESN'T WANT IT ON THAT NIGHT. 
          NOT THAT SHE SHOULD GOVERN WHAT WE DO, BUT, UM, SHE IS A PRESIDENT, SO IT WOULD BE BETTER IF IT'S ON THE MIDDLE OF THE MONTH. 
          I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO ASK ALLISON BEFORE SHE LEFT HER IF HER CLIENT WAS AVAILABLE FOR THE FIRST, BUT THAT MIGHT BE THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD BE ON THERE. 
          WELL, LET'S, THE CLIENTS ARE PROBABLY GOING TO DETERMINE THAT. 
          THEY PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO DO IT THAT WAY EITHER. 
          RIGHT. 
          I, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT A I, ALLISON AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT PREVIOUSLY AND THAT'S WHEN I WAS ASSUMING WE WERE CANCELING THE FIRST AND WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LISTEN. 
          SO, BUT WHAT WE DID, WHAT WE HAVEN'T HAD FOR A WHILE IS, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR A BEATING, ANOTHER BEATING, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, RIDGE PIPE, SOME OF THAT STUFF. 
          AND IF WE HAVE NOTHING, WE CAN USE THAT DATE FOR THAT PART OF THE QUESTION THAT IS THERE. 
          THERE'S A PRE-APPLICATION THAT ACTUALLY WANTS TO COME AND SPEAK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A DEVELOPMENT ON THERE. 
          SO A DEVELOPMENT SORT OF BEHIND THE LID AND NEXT TO THE LID AND ALL OF THAT AREA. 
          SO I THOUGHT WE WERE, HAD DISCUSSED BEING ON TONIGHT, BUT I GUESS THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT. 
          SO THAT MIGHT BE FOR THE FIRST, AND THEN WE CAN ALSO TALK ABOUT OTHER ZONING IN THERE. 
          I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOUR, I CAN GUESS WHAT YOUR OPINION OF, OF THE DEVELOPMENT'S GOING TO BE, BUT I'M GONNA LET YOU SEE IT AND LET YOU FORMULATE IT. 
          SO, UM, AS EVERYTHING ELSE, I HAVE TO LET IT COME FROM, WE CAN'T SIT HERE FOR THE LAST YEAR OR TWO YEARS, WHATEVER IT IS. 
          SAY WE'VE GOT A CURTAIL DEVELOPMENT, WE GOTTA LOOK WAYS AND THEN, AND THEN THAT'S ONE OF THE AREAS WE'VE SEEN AS THERE'S A PLACE WE CAN MANAGE IT. 
          AND THAT, AND I HAVE, I HAVE EXPRESSED THAT CONCERN TO THEM, BUT THEY WOULD STILL LIKE TO COME AND SPEAK TO YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I, I CERTAINLY WANT THAT TO BE A PUBLIC PROCESS. 
          YEP. 
          BUT THE RICH BANK ZONING ISSUE THAT WE'VE BEEN MEETING FOR A WHILE NOW. 
          YES. 
          THAT MAYBE JULY 1ST EVEN. 
          UH, WE CAN TALK ABOUT HAVING THAT ON THERE. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          I MEAN, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO HAVE ON THERE, WE CAN, LET'S JUST SAY IF WE HAVE NOTHING ELSE, OR IF YOU'RE NOT SURE, WE CAN AT LEAST DO THAT. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD CANCEL THE MEETING YET. 
          LET'S WAIT UNTIL JUNE 17TH AND WE'LL MAKE A FINAL DETERMINATION. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE I'LL SEE WHERE THEIR OTHER LAND DEVELOPMENTS ARE. 
          OKAY. 
          IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WE DEPARTMENT THAT'S FINE. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK WE, YEAH, I THINK WE OUGHT KEEP IT OPEN AT THIS POINT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN THE EAC IS AGAIN GOING TO BE ON JULY 15TH. 
          THAT AGENDA IS TO BE DETERMINED, SO, OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          ARE THERE ANY, ARE THERE ANY OTHERS HERE THAT ARE, SEEM TO BE PERCOLATING QUICKLY? I'M SORRY. 
          ANYTHING LIKE THE, THE SPOTLESS CAR WASH, JUST I USE THAT AS WELL. 
          I MEAN, IS THAT PERCOLATING SOON? NOT CAR WASH THAT ARE, ARE REACHING. 
          SOME OF THEM ARE CLOSE. 
          WE JUST RECEIVED NEW PLANS FOR THE MENNONITE ROAD SUBDIVISION, SO THAT SHOULD COME SOON. 
          BUT AGAIN, WE'RE JUST REVIEWING THEM NOW, SO WE HAVE TO SEE. 
          I UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY ARE. 
          SP CAR WASH, JUST RESUBMITTED PLANS. 
          UM, LAST WEEK. 
          WE GOT 17 HERE ON THIS CLIP. 
          I, I KNOW, TRUST ME, I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE TO CHOP SOME OF THEM OFF, BUT THEY'RE ALL SORT OF FLOATING ABOUT MID-LEVEL, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT IS WE'RE REVIEWING THEM AND WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM THE DEVELOPER OR THE DEVELOPERS FIXING WHAT'S WHAT, WHAT'S IN THE REVIEW. 
          UH, UNFORTUNATELY IT'S SORT OF A LOT STASIS RIGHT NOW AND I WOULD LOVE TO MOVE IT ALONG BECAUSE MY FEAR IS EVERYBODY'S GONNA COME READY IN SEPTEMBER. 
          WELL, YEAH. 
          ALL AT ONCE. 
          JUST CURIOUS IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WERE REALLY, IT LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE PERCOLATING TO THE TOP AND, AND I'M MOVING ALONG THE ONES THAT I CAN, THAT'S WHY I'M HOPING THE, PROBABLY SELF STORAGE ARDEN RESERVE THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IN, WELL, NOT A FEW THEM OFF THAT WAY. 
          OKAY, NO PROBLEM. 
          I GUESS I SAW A LITTLE GOOD NEWS. 
          I SAW THE FARMER OUT THERE PLOWING UP 
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EVERYTHING IN THE, UH, PARK HOUSE FARM, WHICH IS, I GUESS HE ASSUMES IT'S GONNA BE YEARS BY THE TIME THINGS STARTED, I HAPPEN TO SEE SOME SURVEYORS THERE AND I THOUGHT MAYBE THEY WERE DOING DRILLING SOIL TESTING. 
          SO I DON'T HAVE SOME ACTIVITY GOING ON. 
          WE'VE DONE SOME INITIAL REVIEW OF THAT LETTER AND THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING TO MEET WITH US. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING AN INTERNAL ENGINEERING BASED MEETING IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS ABOUT THAT PLAN, ABOUT THAT PROJECT AGAIN WITH SOME OF THEM THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE SO COMPLEX. 
          WE DON'T WANT JEN'S LETTER TO BE 40 PAGES AND HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN HERE AND SAY TO YOU, WE WILL COMPLY. 
          NO, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S WHAT'S A LOT OF ONUS ON JEN TO BE THEIR QUALITY CONTROL AND THAT'S NOT FAIR. 
          NO, I, I AGREE. 
          AND THAT'S NOT WHAT OUR ENGINEERING REVIEW SHOULD BE AND NOT THEIR QUALITY CONTROL. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO, SO I PUT A STRICT, NOT A STRICT, BUT I PUT A ANECDOTAL LIMIT ON HOW LARGE A LETTER CAN BE AND JEN UNDERSTANDS THAT SHE'S STILL GONNA REVIEW IT AND MAKE EVERY COMMENT. 
          SHE ABSOLUTELY NEEDS TO MAKE, I'M NOT LIMITING THAT. 
          I'M LIMITING WHEN THEY CAN COME IN FRONT OF YOU OR THE BOARD WITH A LETTER THAT'S 35 PAGES. 
          IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE TO SAY THAT THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE. 
          IT'S NOT FEASIBLE. 
          IT, IT IS NOT FEASIBLE TO SAY WE WILL COMPLY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND PULL OUT ONE OR TWO COMMENTS AND GO, OKAY, CAN I GET A RECOMMENDATION OR CAN I GET AN APPROVAL? THAT'S NOT, IT'S NOT FAIR TO YOU. 
          IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE BOARD. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UNLESS UNDER CLOCK, LIKE I AM WITH, LIKE WE ARE WITH LOVER'S LANE. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY LOVER'S LANE. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SO I'LL TAKE REC, UH, MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION COUNCIL MANY MOTION. 
          HAVE A SECOND. 
          I'LL SECOND IT. 
          JOE, THANK YOU. 
          ALL IN FAVOR JERRY. 
          AYE A AYE. 
          CAN I HAVE THE SHEET THAT MR. MALICK? YES, I WAS GONNA.
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