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[CALL TO ORDER / MOTION TO APPROVE MAY 20, 2026 AGENDA]
UH, MAY 20TH OF THE UPPER PROVINCE TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION.AND, UH, WE'LL START THE, UM, WITH APPROVING THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING.
SO APPROVE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA IN FRONT OF US.
UH, DISCUSSION ON, UH, UH, MINUTES.
AND THEN, UM, SO HOW, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING.
BOB'S MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
[PUBLIC COMMENT FOR NON-AGENDA ITEMS]
TO, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS. SO IF THERE'S ANYBODY HERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON SOMETHING IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS, PLEASE COME FORWARD, IDENTIFY YOURSELF.HI, CINDY SIRKI, 1 35 WIDOW GRAVITY.
I WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ONE 40 WIDOW GROUND BECAUSE IT MIGHT COME UP AND I'M TRAVELING DURING JUNE, SO I WANNA AT LEAST HAVE A CHANCE TO SAY SOMETHING.
FIRST OF ALL, UH, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING AND TRAFFIC AND EVEN BEFORE THAT, I KNOW THIS DEVELOPMENT IS ALLOWED, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT THAT THEY PUT 45 TOWNHOUSES ON TWO AND A HALF ACRES IN OUR COMMUNITY.
THEY DID A TRAFFIC STUDY AND IT'S THE MINIMUM STANDARD THEY ONLY HAVE TO DO ONE DAY AND IT CAN BE DONE ON A FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY, OR MONDAY.
SO IT HAS TO BE DONE ON A TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, OR THURSDAY.
AND THEY ONLY HAVE TO DO ONE DAY.
AND IF THERE'S PROBLEMS WITH A FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY, OR MONDAY THAT THEY CAN'T DO TRAFFIC STUDIES ON, WHY WOULD THERE BE PROBLEMS ON THE OTHER DAYS? AND I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT TO MAKE ANY KIND OF DIS LOGICAL DECISION OFF A ONE DAY'S WORTH OF DATA FOR TRAFFIC.
AND THEN THIRD, ABOUT THE PARKING THERE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THERE'S 45 TOWNHOUSES AND THEY HAVE A DRIVEWAY THAT CAN FIT TWO PARKS AND THAT'S THE ONLY PARKING AS FAR AS I CAN SEE IT RIGHT NOW.
AND THERE'S ALSO GONNA BE A PLAYGROUND.
SO ALL THAT PARKING WOULD HAVE TO GO ON THE STREET AND MAYBE IT'S ADEQUATE PARKING AS FAR AS WHAT THE PLANS SAY IS ADEQUATE, BUT TO ME THAT'S NOT ADEQUATE.
AND IF IT'S GOING TO BE PARKED ON THE STREET, THE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS RIGHT NOW THE STREET PARKING IS ON THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBOR'S SIDE OF THE STREET.
SO WE WOULD HAVE ALL OF THOSE CONDO PEOPLE PARKING ON OUR SIDE OF THE STREET AND WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT DRIVEWAYS AND MAILBOXES BEING BLOCKED.
AND WE WERE WONDERING IF, IF THAT'S ALL GONNA HAPPEN, IF WE COULD HAVE THE STREET PARKING PUT ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF THE STREET.
AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF US, SO WE CAN'T MAKE A LOT OF COMMENTS, BUT WE, WE'LL TRY TO REMEMBER.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT, AT THE SECOND MEETING IN JULY.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S HAPPENING.
WELL YOU MIGHT SEE ME IN JULY THEN TOO.
WELL, WE WOULD LOOK FORWARD TO IT.
ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? NON AGENDA ITEMS? OKAY, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON
[GENERAL DISCUSSION ITEMS]
TO, UH, ALRIGHT, SO WE GOTTA APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM APRIL ONE AND APRIL 15TH.UM, UH, THEY'RE ATTACHED INTO YOUR PACKET, SO, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CORRECTIONS, GEN, UH, UH, AMENDMENTS, UM, ANYTHING WE NEED TO, UH, ADD OR SUBTRACT, PLEASE MAKE NOTE NOW.
IF NOT, I'LL TAKE MOTION TO APPROVE BOTH OF THEM.
APRIL ONE AND APRIL 15TH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE APRIL 1ST AND APRIL 15TH.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES.
AND THEN WE HAVE TO, UH, ACKNOWLEDGE A PLAIN SUBMISSION THAT I ASSUME JEFF HAS RECEIVED.
RECENTLY ON, UH, BURY FARMS AND, UH, JEFF, HAVE A LOOK.
JEFF, WHERE'S THAT AT EXACTLY? IT IS ON HOLLOW ROAD, UM, I WOULD SAY QUARTER MILE SOUTH OF BLACKROCK ROAD.
AND THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS LOOKING TO SUBDIVIDE? IT IS A, UM, LET'S SEE, IT'S A 46 ACRE PARCEL AND THE OWNER'S LOOKING TO SUBDIVIDE OFF A ONE ACRE PARCEL.
THEY'RE ONLY PROPOSING ONE HOUSING UNIT.
SO THAT WOULD BE, UH, ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
YEAH, IT'S A MINOR SUBDIVISION, SO IT'S REALLY A, A ONE SHOT PROCESS.
SO, UM, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT OR WE CAN VOTE ON THAT OR NO, TO VOTE ON IT, JUST AND LETTING YOU KNOW THE PLAN IS IN, I'M NOT BEING HOLD
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HELD TO A CLOCK BY THEM, BUT THEIR CLOCK WOULD OFFICIALLY START TODAY.WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, SEEING MORE ABOUT THAT.
THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE ON HOLLOW ROAD, RIGHT? PICTURE IN THE, YES, THERE'S PROVIDENCE.
UM, AND THEN THIS IS SOUTH OF EGYPT ROAD, IT'S PROVIDENCE.
YEAH, THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO A, A SECOND PHASE AND WE DIDN'T, WE OFFICIALLY, I GUESS I CAN EXPLAIN THAT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE LAST MEETING.
THERE'S TWO PLANS THAT WE, WE ACCEPTED WITHOUT HAVING THEM BROUGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.
I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE PUT THEM IN HERE.
UM, ONE WAS PROVINCE SELF STORAGE.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE, UM, JUST THE TIMING OF IT AND IT IS BE CANCELED AT THE LAST MEETING.
THAT'S THE EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING SELF STORAGE FACILITY.
AND THE OTHER ONE I'M DRAWING A IS ALREADY IN RESERVE.
THAT'S A SIX LOT SUBDIVISION UP ON TOWNSHIP LINE ROAD.
I THINK THAT WAS THE OTHER ONE.
YEAH, I THINK YOU DIDN'T, I THINK WE DID HEAR ABOUT THAT SOME AT SOME POINT.
EITHER WE TALKED ABOUT, OH, THE OTHER ONE WAS ONE 40 WHITAKER WAS THE, THE WHITAKER.
BOTH OF THOSE ARE ACCEPTED BECAUSE THE NBC RULES SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT THEM BY THE NEXT SCHEDULED PLANNING COMMISSION DATE, WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE THAT MEETING.
SO THEY'LL ALSO BE ON FUTURE AGENDAS.
LIKE I SAID, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE AIMING FOR JULY, THE JULY BEING FOR, UM, WHITAKER.
AND PROBABLY THE SAME FOR THE MINOR SUBDIVISION.
UM, WHAT ABOUT THE, WHAT ABOUT THE, THE STORAGE UNITS? I THINK THAT'LL BE IN THERE TOO.
UH, JEN'S GOT A LOT ON HER PLATE AND THEN I'M TRYING NOT TO OVER BURDEN HER WITH TOO MANY IN THE MEETING.
SO JEN'S THE HOLD UP AGAIN, IS THAT YES.
UM, AT THE END I THINK WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE, THE FIRST MEETING IN JULY.
SO, UH, AND MOVING ON THEN IN OUR AGENDA THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED, WE MOVE ON TO OUR APPLICANT
[APPLICATIONS TO BE HEARD ON MAY 20. 2026]
FOR TONIGHT, WHICH IS, UM, UH, COLLEGEVILLE ROAD 7 65 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD, 11 LOT SUBDIVISION.AND WHO'S HERE REPRESENTING THAT GROUP? AND IT'S ALLISON.
ALLISON ZARO ON BEHALF OF, UM, GENERAL HANCOCK PARTNERSHIP ENTERPRISES LP, UM, WHICH IS THE OWNER AND APPLICANT FOR, UH, 7 65 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD.
UM, WHICH PEOPLE ALSO REFER TO AS LOVER'S LANE SINCE THE PROPERTY ORDERED LOVER'S LANE.
SO THAT IS THE OTHER COMMON NAME.
UM, WE WERE HERE LAST YEAR ACTUALLY IN FRONT OF YOU, UM, REVIEWING THE TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN FOR THE SITE.
UM, AND SINCE THAT TIME WE FILED THE A PRELIMINARY SLASH FINAL PLAN AS WELL.
UM, AND WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT SORT OF THE WHOLE APPLICATION COMBINED INTO ONE.
UM, THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED R TWO.
UM, WHEN THE PLAN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, COLLEGEVILLE ROAD IS ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PLAN, LOVER'S LANE IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PLAN.
UM, THERE WOULD BE THIS, THIS, UH, PROPERTY HAS FRONTAGE THAT INTERSECTS WITH AMANDA LANE, WHICH IS ACROSS, UH, SOUTH COLLEGE HALL ROAD FROM THE SITE.
UM, AND UNDER THIS PROPOSAL, THE LOT WOULD BE, UH, SUBDIVIDED INTO 11 NEW LOTS AND THE ROAD WOULD BE EXTENDED ALIGNED INTERSECTION UP TO LOVER'S LANE THROUGH THE SITE.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE CALLING IT WEST AMANDA MANDOLINE ON THE PLANE PLAN, ALTHOUGH ULTIMATELY IT'LL BE UP TO THE FIRE MARSHAL AND THE COUNTY AND EVERYBODY ELSE AS TO WHAT THE ROAD NAME WOULD BE.
UM, IN GENERAL, MOST OF THE HOUSES HAVE, UH, THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL DRIVEWAYS.
YOU WILL SEE THERE IS ONE SHARED DRIVEWAY, UH, THAT SERVES SEVERAL OF THE LOTS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PLAN.
UH, THERE IS AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING THAT EXISTS TODAY THAT TAKES ACCESS, UM, OFF OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH WOULD BE DEMOLISHED, AND THEN EVERYTHING WOULD BE CONFIGURED INTO WHAT YOU SEE ON THE PLAN.
UM, SINCE WE WERE LAST HERE, WE HAVE RECEIVED OUR NPDS PERMIT THAT WAS ACTUALLY RECEIVED A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO IN MAY OF 2025.
UM, THE SEWER PLANNING EXEMPTION FOR THE SITE WAS RECEIVED IN SEPTEMBER OF 2025.
THE FIRE MARSHAL REVIEWED THE APPLICATION, UM, AND GAVE HIS APPROVAL TO THE CONFIGURATION YOU SEE IN MAY OF 2025.
UM, AND WE RECEIVED OUR HOPPS IN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER OF 2025.
SO WE DO HAVE ALL THE PERMITTING THAT IS REQUIRED FOR THE SITE, THE THIRD PARTY PERMITTING.
UM, WE DID RECEIVE AN UPDATED REVIEW LETTER DATED TODAY FROM GILMORE'S OFFICE.
UM, AND IN GENERAL THIS LETTER IS A WILL COMPLY.
I'M HAPPY TO WALK THROUGH THE COMMENTS IF YOU'D LIKE.
UM, I KNOW YOU JUST GOT IT SO
AND I WILL ALSO NOTE WE ARE NOT SEEKING ANY WAIVERS WITH THIS PLAN.
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ALLISON, DO YOU MIND TALKING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER FOUR IN SUBDIVISION? SURE.SO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, I MEAN, IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS.
DO YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE LETTER? I DON'T, I KNOW YOU JUST GOT THIS, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVEN READ IT YET.
WELL, I'LL GET THROUGH THE WHOLE LETTER.
IS THERE SOMETHING PERTINENT THAT WE NEED TO COME OUT, LIKE, LIKE JUDGE JUST SAID ITEM BEFORE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT REAL BRIEFLY, THAT SHE HANDED US THE LETTERS.
SHE SAID THAT THE I ITEM FOUR, SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT.
BUT IF THERE'S ANY OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, WE WON'T YOU GO THROUGH THOSE, BUT DON'T JUST START WITH NUMBER FOUR.
SO THE, THE WAY THE TITLE LINE OF THIS FALLS WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT LOVER'S LANE, UM, AND WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO THERE IN ORDER TO MEET TOWNSHIP REQUIREMENTS, WE END UP WITH SOME SMALL STRIPS OF LAND THAT ARE TECHNICALLY WITHIN OUR TITLE LINES.
THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE ACROSS LOVER'S LANE AND MAYBE JEN, YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN THIS A LITTLE MORE TECHNICALLY, BUT ESSENTIALLY THE QUESTION IS IF THE TOWNSHIP DOESN'T TAKE THE FULL RIGHT OF WAY, THEN WE WOULD HAVE LITTLE STRIPS OF LAND THAT ARE SORT OF SEPARATE FROM THE REST OF THE PROPERTY.
WE CAN ALLOCATE THOSE TO THE HOA TO MAINTAIN LONG TERM.
BUT I THINK THAT WAS YOUR QUESTION, RIGHT? IT'S THE TWO TOP RIGHT.
YEAH, THAT CORNER THAT, YEAH, TWO OF 'EM, THE LITTLE CORNERS UP THE TOP AND THEN THERE'S ONE OVER BY THE GREEN SQUARE THAT'S SHOWN ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S THOSE LITTLE CORNERS THAT ARE JUST OVER THERE.
THEY WOULD REMAIN WITH THE HOA UNLESS THE UM, DEVELOPER WANTS TO DEED THOSE OVER.
SO IT'S REALLY JUST PROCEDURAL WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH 'EM AND MAKE SURE IT'S ALL COVERED.
SO WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE NORMAL ON THAT, ZACH? WHAT'S THE NORMAL, WELL, WHAT, WHAT DOES NORMALLY HAPPEN AND THEY DON'T LOOK VERY BIG.
I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG THEY ARE.
IS THAT WHAT QUARTER AN ACRE, HALF AN ACRE, WHICH I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE.
NOT THAT BIG, RIGHT? WE'RE TALKING SQUARE FEET, HUNDREDS OF SQUARE FEET.
OUR ENGINEER, UM, ROB CUNNINGHAM IS HERE, SO HE COULD PROBABLY ANSWER A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.
BUT HE'S SAYING, YOU'RE SAYING HUNDREDS HUNDRED SQUARE FEET? YEAH.
10 BY 10, DID YOU SAY? IT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET? I MEAN, I THINK IN AN IDEAL WORLD YOU'D PROBABLY NEED THOSE OVER THE NAME OF THE PROPERTY OWNER IF THEY WERE INTERESTED IN ACQUIRING THEM.
AND THEN THEY WOULD OWN THE ENTIRE AREA ALONG THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THEN THEY JUST MAINTAIN IT THE SAME THAT THEY WOULD WITH THE BALANCE OF THEIR PROPERTY.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF, HAVE YOU HAD ANY, HAVE YOU HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS? WE HAVE NOT.
I MEAN, I, I ALSO AM NOT SURE WHETHER THAT WOULD GET INTO DOING SOME SORT OF A, A LOT ADJUSTMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT IT MAY BE OPENING A WHOLE CAN OF WORMS. SO IF THEY'RE WILLING TO OFFER FOR DEDICATION TO THE TOWNSHIP, THE TOWNSHIP COULD ACCEPT IT AND THAT IN THE EVENT THEY EVER NEEDED TO WIDELY RIGHT AWAY, THEY'D HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE PROPERTY TO DO THAT.
WELL, I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD FOR A LOT OF YEARS.
I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT BEFORE.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION.
IT WAS THERE ANY PRECEDENT ANSWER ANY KIND OF THING ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE I'VE NEVER SEEN WHERE YOU HAVE THOSE TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT ARE GOING TO BE COTTAGE JUST HANGING OUT THERE, RIGHT? WELL THEY ALWAYS HAVE BEEN BECAUSE LOVE'S LANE RIGHT OF WAY IS EXISTING TODAY.
SO THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN OVER THERE.
THIS IS JUST AN OPPORTUNITY AND IT'S COMPLETELY UP TO THE APPLICANT THAT THEY DO.
UH, IS MY UNDERSTANDING THERE'S ALREADY PROPOSED SIDEWALK ALONG LOVER'S LANE, WHICH I BELIEVE THE HOA IS SET TO MAINTAIN.
SO THAT COULD BE PART OF WHAT THE HOA MAINTAINS.
I'M JUST MAKING A COMMENT SO THAT WHATEVER PAPERWORK NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR WHATEVER DIRECTION THEY CHOOSE TO GO, THAT THE PAPERWORK, BUT AGAIN, IT'S PROCEDURAL AT THIS POINT.
THERE'S NO PLAN REVISION THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
IS IT, IS IT, IS IT A, IS IT OKAY IF WE ASK YOU TO ASK THE PROPERTY OWNER, WHOEVER OWNS THAT PROPERTY IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN THAT? OR IS THAT NOT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DEAL WITH? I MEAN, TO ZACH'S POINT, IF WE WERE NOT INTENDING TO OPEN A CAN OF WORMS, DEPENDING ON HOW THAT WOULD BE TREATED, IF THAT THEN REQUIRES THEM TO DO FULL SURVEYS OF THEIR PROPERTIES AND ALL THOSE THINGS, WE WERE NOT INTERESTED IN IMPOSING THAT ON THEM OR, YOU KNOW, GETTING INTO THAT PROCESS.
I JUST SAID, I JUST, I MEAN SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS HEY.
LIKE IF IT'S SIMPLE AS HEY WE CAN GIVE YOU THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY AND SOMEBODY WANTS IT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CARE, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO GET INTO CHANGING LOT LINES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
NO, I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO DO THAT.
I'M ASKING JUST HAVE YOU MENTIONED IT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO SEE IF THERE IS ANY, I MEAN TO JEN'S POINT, THESE LITTLE ORPHAN TRIANGLES HAVE EXISTED.
THEY EXIST NOW BECAUSE THE, THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PROPERTY AREN'T CHANGING AND THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED EXCEPT THEY'RE HIGHLIGHTED NOW.
IT'S JUST AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE RIGHT IF WE WANTED TO, BUT, BUT NOT A REQUIREMENT TO DO IT.
THAT'S WHY I ASKING AGENT MENTION TO THE PROPERTY OWNER RECEIPT.
YOU KNOW, IF THEY SAY NO, WE DON'T WANT IT OR WE DON'T GET INTO THAT EITHER,
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THEN FINE.YEAH, I MEAN IT'S AN UNUSUAL CONFIGURATION, BUT LIKE ZACH SAID THIS TODAY, IF, IF WE DO NOTHING, WHAT'S THE DOWNSIDE? LEGALLY THE HOA WOULD JUST HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR RUNNING A MOWER OVER THERE.
UNLESS THE NEIGHBOR ALREADY DOES THAT AND EXACTLY.
THERE'S A REALLY GOOD CHANCE THE NEIGHBOR STILL JUST MOWS THE GRASS THERE WITHOUT EVEN THINKING ABOUT AWARE OF IT.
I DON'T IS THAT EVEN GRASS AREA OR IS THAT TREES OR FORKS? LIKE I DON'T EVEN KNOW.
WELL, OKAY, I DON'T WANNA, SO, SO FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, IS THERE A POTENTIAL PERSPECTIVE, IS THERE A DOWNSIDE FOR THIS? THESE LITTLE SLIPPERS? TO ME, TO ME THIS IS LOOKING AT THE AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE DRIVEWAY FOR THAT PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY RIGHT THERE RUNNING THROUGH ONE OF THOSE.
I WILL LOOK AT THOSE LINES ARE ALWAYS A LITTLE SKEWED BETWEEN THE AERIAL AND THE YEAH, I, I'M LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL ROADWAY THOUGH.
LIKE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A DRIVEWAY FOR ONE OF THE PROPERTIES THERE.
BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE DRIVEWAY DOES RUN RIGHT? IT DOES.
SO THEY PROBABLY EASEMENT ARE MAINTAIN ANYWAY, RIGHT? YEAH, THEY PROBABLY ALREADY DON'T EVEN KNOW.
COULD BE REALLY, MAYBE WE CERTAINLY WANT, WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT SOMETHING THAT'S UNCONCEIVABLE BY THIS AS PEOPLE HERE TO HAPPEN 10 YEARS FROM NOW.
'CAUSE SOMEBODY DID SOMETHING OR DIDN'T DO SOMETHING SQUARE, BUT THAT'S FINE.
THIS PLAN ISN'T CREATING THESE, IT'S JUST SAYING THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE.
YEAH, BUT YOU'RE SAYING YOU HAVE TO DO BY THE HOA AND THEY SAY THEY DON'T DO IT OR THEY SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO PUT UP A SIGN THERE, OR HOA, I MEAN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEN YOU GOTTA, YOU GOT, ESPECIALLY THAT DRIVER GOING THROUGH THERE, YOU GOT A PROBLEM.
SO I DON'T, IT'S ALL FORESEEN.
YOU KNOW, IT'D BE NICE TO CLEAN IT UP TO THEY'LL BE TO WORRY ABOUT IT IN 20 YEARS, BUT I WON'T BE HERE SO I WON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.
HEY, THAT'S THOSE THING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF, IF THERE WAS ANY PRECEDENCE THAT ZACH KNEW THAT WHAT HAPPENS WITH STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND THE OTHER COMMENTS IN THE LETTER ARE ALL PROCEDURAL AND STANDARD COMMENTS THAT ARE IN ALL OF THE LETTERS AND THEIR AGREEMENTS THAT HAPPENED PRIOR TO THE RECORDING OF THE PLAN.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR DISCUSSION TODAY.
AND, AND I KNOW THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS THAT HAVE NOTED, BEEN NOTED IN HERE THAT THE HOA WILL NEED TO MAINTAIN.
UM, WE CERTAINLY WILL BE INCORPORATING ALL OF THOSE THINGS, THINGS THE, THE DRAFT HOA DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE TOWNSHIP FOR REVIEW AS WELL.
AND, AND I UH, YOU DIDN'T MENTION PENNDOT, I ASSUME THAT ISSUES WITH THE, THE INTEREST INTO THE DEVELOPMENT, ALL THE PENNDOT SATISFIED FUNDING, ALL THOSE ISSUES WITH THEY CARE OF YES, WE, UM, RECEIVED OUR HOP.
UM, THERE IS THE, THE SITE DISTANCE IS SHOWN ON THE PLAN.
THERE IS ADEQUATE SITE DISTANCE THERE THAT WAS CONFIRMED OBVIOUSLY BEFORE.
ACTUALLY, I, I HAD ONE QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
'CAUSE IF I'M READING THIS RIGHT ON, UH, THE SITE DISTANCE PLAN, THERE ARE SOME THAT LOOK LIKE THEY'RE NOT COMPLIANT.
UM, WHERE IT SAYS REQUIRED SITE DISTANCE AND PROVIDED THERE'S A, THERE'S A DELTA.
AM I READING THAT RIGHT? UM, I WOULD DEFER TO OUR ENGINEER, BUT CERTAINLY WE ARE COMPLIANT BECAUSE WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET AN HOP THAT JUST CAUGHT MY ATTENTION ON, AM I READING THAT RIGHT? C TWO DID YOU SAY 66 FEET REQUIRED? 58.3 PROVIDED READING THAT THE, THOSE SITE DISTANCES, EXCUSE ME, TO A STOP HAVE TO COME OUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S MORE THAN, SO THE ONES THAT ARE NOTED AS LESS THAN THE REQUIRED STANDARD ARE A FUNCTION OF LIKE LOT ONE IS LOOKING TOWARDS THE, THE THREE-WAY STOP AT THE TOP OF LU LANE.
SO YOU OBVIOUSLY CAN'T SEE PAST, OKAY.
UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THOSE, UH, SEVEN, EIGHT HAVE THE SAME SITUATION WHERE IF YOU'RE LEAVING THE, UH, DRIVEWAY OF LOT SEVEN LOOKING UPHILL TOWARDS LOVER'S LANE, YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY LIMITED BY, UH, THE END OF THE ROAD.
SO I JUST CAUGHT MY ATTENTION THAT IT WASN'T FLAGGED ANYWHERE IN, IN THE REVIEW.
IT IS NOT, IT IS NOT FLAGGED BECAUSE THERE'S, IT'S NOT
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A SITE DISTANCE LIMITATION OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO ROAD TO GO BEYOND I GOT, AND WHEN YOU GET TO THE INTER, THE NORTHERN INTERSECTION WITH LOVER'S LANE, THAT'S BEING CONFIGURED AS AN ALWAYS STOP INTERSECTION.SO ANY VEHICLE THAT WOULD BE COMING AND TURNING INTO THE DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA BE COMING FROM A STOP CONDITION.
SO THE SITE DISTANCE THAT'S REQUIRED IS ASSUMING PEOPLE ARE GOING AT THE 25 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT, THEY WON'T BE 'CAUSE THEY'RE COMING FROM THE ALLWAY STOP.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE FINE WITH, WITH THE SITE DISTANCES THEY'RE IDENTIFIED.
BOB, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, I DO.
UM, AND MAYBE IT'S THE SAME QUESTION I WAS TALKING, SO I APOLOGIZE, REPEATING, HOWEVER, UM, THAT UPPER ROAD, WHICH DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE MAIN ROAD THAT THEY'RE USING, ALTHOUGH IT'S THERE NOW.
IT WOULD SEEM LIKE THAT'S REALLY HAZARDOUS TO DRIVE DOWN THERE.
SO WHEN WE FIRST DOWN OVER THE HUMP, YEAH.
SO F WHEN WE FIRST MET WITH THE TOWNSHIP, THE REASON WHY WE LANDED ON THIS CONFIGURATION WAS HOW UNSAFE TURNING ON A LOVER'S LANE, MAKING A LEFT ON A LOVER'S LANE IS BECAUSE YOU'RE COMING OVER THE HOME.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, DESIRED SITE DISTANCE IS FIVE 70, THE AVAILABLE IS 220.
SO THAT, THAT IS WHY JEFF AND JEN DIRECTED US TO, TO BASICALLY ALIGN WITH AMANDA LANE AND LOOK AT A DEVELOPMENT THAT WAY BECAUSE IT GIVES PEOPLE ACCESS TO LOVER'S LANE WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO TURN IN AND MAKE A LEFT WHERE IT'S SO IS IT GONNA BE NO LEFT TURN COMING OUTTA LOVER'S LANE? UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE'S NO, THAT DIDN'T PUT A RESTRICTION ON IT.
AGAIN, OUR OUR HOPE IS THAT NOW WE'VE GIVEN PEOPLE A, A SAFE ACCESS OPTION.
THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE GONNA USE.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA USE LOVE LANE.
I THINK THERE'S UH, THREE HOUSES OR THREE DRIVEWAYS UP IN THIS PORTION OF LOVE IS LANE THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY STILL BE ALLOWED TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT.
BUT AGAIN, WHAT'S YOUR NAME? YOU MISS, UH, ROB CUNNINGHAM.
ROB THAT, THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE.
I MEAN IF YOU LIVE THERE, YOU'RE GONNA NOT GO WHOEVER'S WAY BECAUSE THAT'S A DANGEROUS LEFT.
YEAH, BUT IF I DON'T LIVE THERE AND I'M LEAVING A FRIEND'S HOUSE THERE AND I DON'T KNOW THE AREA, I'D BE A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS ABOUT MAKING A LEFT TURN HERE, BRIAN.
YEAH, I MEAN THE, THE CHALLENGE THERE IS THEY'RE NOT AFFECTING THE LUMBER LANE INTERSECTION WITH COLLEGEVILLE.
SO IT IS NOT THEIR, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN EXISTING TOWNSHIP ROAD.
IT'S NOT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO, TO FIX THAT.
UM, I THINK WHAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT WITH THE ALTERNATE PATH IS, YOU KNOW, THE BEST THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S BETTER THAN WHAT WE, WHAT WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN IF THEY HAD COME IN WITH A, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD HAVE COME IN WITH A BUY RATE PLAN TO TAKE ACCESS OFF OF LOVER'S LANE AND I MEAN IT'S AN EXISTING TOWN STREET.
WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN A GOOD SOLUTION? NO, I THINK THIS IS THE BEST WE CAN DO AND, YOU KNOW, CAN WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THAT AND SEE WHAT POTENTIALLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE? WE CAN'T, BUT THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH, WITH THIS IS THAT NOW YOU'RE WITH THOSE 11 HOUSES PLUS THE VISITORS AND PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, YOU'RE INCREASING THE TRAFFIC OF THAT AREA.
YOU ARE, I MEAN THE, THE TRAFFIC GENERATED BY 11, IT'S ACTUALLY, SO IT'S 11 HOMES, THERE'S 10 ADDITIONAL HOMES.
'CAUSE THERE'S THE ONE HOUSE THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
I MEAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 11 NEW TRIPS DURING THE PMP HOUR.
BUT IT'S NOT THAT HOMEOWNERS I'M WORRIED ABOUT.
IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT AREN'T ARE, ARE COMING TO VISIT OR THEY HAVE A PARTY AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING OUT OF THERE AND THEY DON'T KNOW THAT SECTION.
WELL, I MEAN FOR THOSE, THE NEW RESIDENTS THAT ARE ON AMANDA LANE, THAT THE IDEA, IF I WERE VISITING ONE OF THOSE HOMES, MY EXPECTATION WOULD BE TO USE A AMANDA LANE TO GET BACK TO COLLEGE AVENUE AS OPPOSED TO, OR VILLE ROAD AS OPPOSED TO GOING UP TO LOVER'S LANE AND THEN WINDING WELL, WELL, WELL PLAYED.
BUT I'M SURE THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA BE A HUNDRED PERCENT IT, IT WON'T AND, AND IT'LL TAKE SOME TIME.
THERE'LL BE SOME LEARNED BEHAVIOR.
UH, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORS WILL, THEY'LL SAY TO THEIR GUYS, HEY, GO BACK DOWN AMANDA LANE.
'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S THE BETTER PLACE TO COME OUT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR, I I ACTUALLY HAVE ONE MORE.
I, UM, IF YOU DON'T MIND, UM, COULD YOU WALK US THROUGH HOW THE, THE DRAINAGE IS WORKING, PULLING THIS? UM, I WAS JUST, I WAS LOOKING AT THE, UH, LIKE LOT NINE AND 10.
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IT JUST SEEMS LIKE EVERYTHING IS SHEET DRAINING DOWN THAT ROAD, UH, THAT SHARED DRIVEWAY TOWARDS THE BASINS.UM, YEAH, SO LOTS AND I CAN, IF IS THERE ANOTHER PLANNING LIKE CAN PUT, UH, 2.0 WOULD PROBABLY YOUR BEST.
SO, UM, LOTS, NINE, 10 AND 11, WHICH ARE THE, UH, 2 0 1 LOVER'S LANE AND THEN THE ONE DOWN.
UM, YES, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT, UH, WE'LL CALL IT DRAINAGE COLLECTION SYSTEM.
OUR, OUR HOPE IS THAT OBVIOUSLY IT GIVES AN, GIVES A LITTLE BIT OF AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO INFILTRATE.
THERE IS THE AREA OF WOODS THAT WE'RE SAVING, UH, RIGHT DOWNSTREAM FROM LOT NINE, UM, AND 10.
SO AGAIN, SOME OF THAT WATER WILL GET FILTERED THROUGH THE EXISTING WOODLANDS.
IT GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, PLAN UPTAKE.
OBVIOUSLY THAT'S ONE OF THE KIND OF GUIDELINES WE ALWAYS TRY TO DEAL WITH.
UM, BUT THEN AS YOU GET, YOU KNOW, TOWARDS COLLEGEVILLE ROAD, WE'RE PUTTING IN A NEW DRAINAGE SYSTEM TO PICK UP ALL THE DRAINAGE, NOT ONLY FROM UM, WHAT WE'RE ADDING, BUT ALSO, UH, THE EXISTING COLLEGEVILLE ROAD.
UM, AND THEN BEHIND LOT SIX THERE'S AN INLET AND NEXT TO LOT FIVE THERE'S ANOTHER INLET AND THOSE WILL COLLECT THOSE UPSTREAM AREAS AND CONVEY TO MAKE SURE IT GETS INTO THE BASIN.
IT'S NOT HOPPING INTO A MANDA LANE.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE A, UH, ABOUT NINE OR 10 INLETS IN A MANDA LANE TO PICK UP DRAINAGE.
THERE IS A, UH, SMALL STORMWATER FACILITY IN THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND CORNER, UH, RIGHT NEAR COLLEGEVILLE ROAD, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT NONE OF THAT, UH, FLOW GOES OFF SITE.
AND THEN THE LARGER BASIN AND THE TOP LEFT HAND CORNER, UM, DOES A LOT OF THE HEAVY LIFTING, THE AMOUNT OF DRAIN THAT YOU GET.
I MEAN, I OF COURSE DEFER TO JEN'S REVIEW SOME OF THE STUFF.
IT JUST LOOKED TO ME LIKE THAT THE BANK BEHIND NINE AND 10 IS KIND OF STEEP AND YOU'RE PROBABLY GETTING, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF FLOW OFF THAT, THAT SLOPE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SLOPE IS, YOU KNOW, PERCENTAGE WISE, BUT, UM, AND NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO DO JEN SHOTS.
WE LOOKED AT THAT AND, AND THERE'S ADDITIONAL SPOT SHOTS THAT WE REQUESTED BEHIND THOSE HOMES THERE.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY THE END BEHIND LOT SIX WAS LIKE SIX.
UM, WHILE YOU'RE UP, I HAVE ONE MORE THING.
UM, IT, UH, THE RETAINING WALLS DOWN THERE AROUND YOUR BASE ARE PRETTY TALL.
AND YOU'VE GOT SOME THAT ARE LIKE 18 IF I READ THIS RIGHT.
18 FEET TALL, UH, AT SOME POINT.
AND, AND THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED A FENCE.
I, I SEE THERE WAS A DETAIL, BUT I DON'T SEE THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE CALLED OUT.
I'M CURIOUS AS TO, IS THERE ANY CONCERN ABOUT ANYBODY CLIMBING OVER OR FALLING OR, YOU KNOW, UH, IT, IT IS A FOUR FOOT HIGH FENCE THERE, OBVIOUSLY.
UM, AS, AS HIGH AS YOU EVER MAKE FENCE SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY CLIENT, IF THEY WANT TO GET OVER, UH, FOUR FEET IS THE, I THINK WHAT BUILDING CODE REQUIRES FOR FALL PROTECTION.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'D BE PROVIDING, UH, FOR THAT.
NOW IF THE INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS DECIDE TO PUT IN THEIR OWN PRIVACY FENCES, UM, AT THE BACKS OF THEIR LOTS, THAT'D BE A DIFFERENT, UH, COULD BE A DIFFERENT SIZE.
BUT, UM, I BELIEVE FOUR FEET IS, IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE PROPOSING AT THIS POINT.
CODE RESIDENTIAL LOSS FOR LIMITED TO SIX.
SO SIX ADDITIONAL? NO, SIX TOTAL.
SIX TO, THEY COULD BE LIKE IN FRONT OF THE, HOWEVER, IT CAN ONLY BE THAT SIX YOU, THE LARGEST FENCE A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY CAN INSTALL IS SIX, SIX OF YOU IN THE BACK.
AND THERE OTHER QUIRKY THINGS ABOUT IT, BUT GENERALLY WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IT WOULD BE THEY COULD INSTALL A SIX FOOT FENCE IF THEY CHOSE.
YEAH, IT JUST, I WAS CURIOUS 'CAUSE IT, I DIDN'T SAY IT AND IT'S WALL STRIKE.
YEAH, NO, IT IS A MINIMUM OF FOUR FEES REQUIRED.
BUT IF THIS IS A CONCERN, JERRY, WELL I, UM, WE MAY HAVE CERTAIN SIZE FENCES, BUT THIS IS AN EXCEPTION.
THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS THINKING, YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND OUR STANDARDS, BUT IF, IF IT'S A SITUATION LIKE, AGAIN, I'M JUST RAISING THE QUESTION, I, I DON'T KNOW.
WELL, YOU CAN MAKE IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION IF YOU MAKE ONE TONIGHT OR IF YOU MAKE ONE AT THE NEXT MEETING, THAT THEY CHANGE THAT TO A SIX FOOT FENCE.
YOU CAN'T MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY GO ANY HIGHER THAN THAT BECAUSE THAT WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO GET A VARIANCE.
HEY, UH, ALLISON, TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THESE HOUSES.
WHAT ARE THEY, UH, HOW BIG ARE THEY? WHAT ARE THEY GONNA RUN? UM,
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I'M GOING TO ASK BENUH, SO, UH, CAN YOU JUST IDENTIFY YOURSELF AGAIN? SURE, SURE.
BEN GOLD, UM, WITH, UM, GENERAL HANCOCK, UH, PARTNERSHIP.
UH, SO WHEN WE LAID OUT THE PROJECT, THE, THE FOOTPRINTS WE'RE SHOWING IS A, UH, 50 BY 60 FOOT, UH, BUILDING BOX, WHICH WOULD ALLOW A ROUGHLY FIVE TO 6,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, HOME TO BE BUILT.
UM, AND, UH, WE WOULD LOOK AT, THIS WOULD BE SOMEWHERE AROUND A MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE TO 1,000,002 TODAY.
UH, THIS, THIS ISN'T OBVIOUSLY YOUR PROB, IT'S JUST MY, IT'S MY CONCERN THAT OUR TOWNSHIP CONTINUES TO BUILD MILLION DOLLAR HOUSES AND WE'RE NOT BUILDING ENOUGH LOW INCOME HOUSES.
AND, AND, UM, AND WHEN I SAY LOW INCOME, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
UM, BUT WE CONTINUE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HERE SEE THESE DEVELOPMENTS ALL THE TIME, AND ALL I'M HEARING ANYMORE IS A MILLION PLUS.
AND IT JUST CONCERNS ME A LITTLE BIT.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, UH, AND THAT'S NOT YOUR PROBLEM.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST VOICING MY OPINION.
BUT ANYHOW, THANK SOMETHING ELSE ALISON.
I, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE SPECIFIC.
UM, WE OBVIOUSLY CAN COMPLY WITH THE COMMENTS AND THE REVIEW LETTER.
WELL THEN I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP FOR COMMENTS FROM, UH, FROM THE PUBLIC.
IF YOU DO WANNA MAKE A COMMENT OR A QUESTION OR WHATEVER, PLEASE GO IDENTIFY YOURSELF, YOUR ADDRESS, HOME NAME AND ADDRESS AND, UH, UM, YOUR STREET.
GOOD EVENING, JOHN MALLICK, 180 8 FARRIS LANE.
UH, MY BROTHER AND I COMMONLY OWN THE PROPERTY THAT ABUTS THIS PROPERTY HAS TO BE DEVELOPED.
UH, THERE ARE SOME MEMBERS ON THE COMMITTEE HERE THAT WERE HERE FROM WHEN THIS PROCESS ORIGINATED IN, UH, FALL OF 22.
AND I HAVE SOME PHOTOS THAT I'VE SUBMITTED PREVIOUSLY TO WHOEVER WAS THERE.
HOWEVER, I HAVE PHOTOS WITH DATES AND INFORMATION ON 'EM THAT I'D LIKE EVERYBODY TO LOOK AT THERE.
AND THIS WILL BE RELEVANT TO THE QUESTIONS I'M GOING TO ASK.
NOTICE WHILE THERE'S PHOTOS THERE THAT THEY'RE EITHER, UH, ICE OR RAINWATER, UH, PART OF 'EM FLOWING ON OUR PROPERTY DOWN OUR PRIVATE DRIVEWAY AND PORTIONS OF THEM ARE FLOWING ON TOWNSHIP PROPERTY, BOTH RAINWATER AND ICE.
AND SINCE MY BROTHER AND I HAVE BEEN DOING, UH, SNOW PLOWING AND SNOW REMOVAL AND, UH, APPLICATION OF SALT FOR 30 YEARS, WE HAVE OUR OWN PILE OF MAGNESIUM AND SALT TO HANDLE THOSE THINGS.
AND UNTIL THIS YEAR, I HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE TOWNSHIP NOT ACTUALLY TAKING CARE OF THE LAST LITTLE PIECE OF THE LANE BACK TO WHERE OUR PRIVATE DRIVEWAY START.
FORTUNATELY THIS YEAR I'VE TALKED WITH THE ROADMASTER, THINGS HAVE CHANGED AROUND A LITTLE BIT AND THEY'RE DOING BETTER.
YOU NOTICE ONE OF THE PICTURES HAS GREEN MAGNESIUM ON IT BECAUSE THE ICE WAS SO BAD IT WOULDN'T MELT.
SO MY PRIMARY CONCERNS ARE ABOUT THE OVERFLOW THAT'S GONNA OCCUR TO THE RETENTION POND THAT'S DESIGNED HERE.
I'M JUST GONNA RATTLE OFF A FEW THINGS TO YOU.
IF I'M OVERWHELMING, YOU PUT YOUR HAND UP AND GIMME A YELLOW STOP.
THESE CALCULATIONS THAT I GOT FROM THE DEVELOPER'S PLANS ARE BASED ON A TWO AND A HALF INCH RAINSTORM.
AND ON THE 9.4 ACRES AT WORKS SET TO BE ABOUT 638,000 GALLONS ON A TWO AND A HALF INCH STORM, UH, OLYMPIC SIZE SWIMMING POOL IS 660,000 GALLONS.
SO YOU'RE APPROACHING WHAT AN OLYMPIC SWIMMING POOL WOULD BE FOR THE, UH, STORMWATER THAT WAS CALCULATED BY THE DEVELOPER.
BASED ON ALL THE CALCULATIONS IN, UH, MAY OF 2025, WE HAD 8.5 INCHES.
AND I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A SHEET OF PAPER HERE, WHICH CAME FROM PENNSYLVANIA, WHICH UH, WILL GIVE YOU SOME OF THE, UH, TOTALS OF THE RAIN THAT HAPPENED OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.
SO IN MAY OF 2025, THE WHOLE MONTH HAD EIGHT AND A HALF INCHES OF RAIN, WHICH WORKS OUT TO BE APPROXIMATELY 2,167,000 GALLONS.
JUNE THE SAME YEAR WAS ANOTHER 1 MILLION 129,000 GALLONS OF WATER.
JULY WAS, UH, ANOTHER 1,657,000 GALLONS.
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I'M SURE THE CALCULATIONS THAT THEY WENT UP WITH WERE BASICALLY ON LEVEL GROUND.WERE APPROXIMATELY LEVEL, AS WE'VE REALIZED, THIS IS A SLOPED SITE AND IT'S COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT WATER RUNS FASTER DOWNHILL THAN IT DOES LEVEL AND FLAT.
UM, THE ISSUES THAT I HAVE WITH THIS IS THERE WAS TEST PIT ST DUG ON THE PROPERTY AND THE BUILDER STATED IN HIS, UH, PAPERWORK THERE THAT, UM, THE DEPTH THAT THEY DUG DOWN TO WAS 42 TO 72 INCHES, UH, TILL THEY HIT ROCK.
AND THEN, UH, THIS HAS BEEN REVISED THREE TIMES FROM THE INITIAL ONE THAT THEY DID IN MARCH OF 2024.
THE LAST ONE WAS ON, ON THE PAPERWORK WAS 9 11 25, AND THEY TOOK A KOMATSU EXCAVATOR WITH A HO RAM AND BANGED DOWN BETWEEN SIX AND 15 FEET DEEP.
SO TO MAKE THE BOTTOM OF THE PROPOSED BASIN, NOW FROM THE EXISTING GRADE THAT'S THERE, WILL REQUIRE AN EXCAVATION OF APPROXIMATELY 12 FEET, POSSIBLY MORE TO CREATE THE LEVEL BOTTOM BY WHAT THE PROFILE'S SHOWING ON THEIR DRAWINGS.
SO IF THEY'RE ONLY GETTING APPROXIMATELY SIX FEET DEEP, THE OTHER SIX FEET, I ASSUME WOULD BE ROCK BECAUSE THE TEST HOLES THAT THEY DUG DIDN'T SHOW ANYTHING BESIDE ROCK.
BEYOND THE SIX FOOT, HOW ARE THEY REMOVING THAT ROCK ONE AND TWO, HOW DO WE EXPECT THE WATER TO GET ABSORBED AT ALL IN THIS RETENTION POND IF THE WHOLE BASE OF THE RETENTION POND IS GONNA BE SOLID ROCK? UH, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, USING DYNAMITE EXPLOSIVES TO LOOSEN THE ROCK UP BECAUSE WE HAVE THREE WELLS THERE.
THE CEMETERY ALSO HAS A WELL RIGHT AT THE TOP OF THE HILL THERE.
AND, UH, WE ALSO HAVE HOUSES THAT ARE OVER A HUNDRED YEARS OLD WITH STONE FOUNDATIONS.
AND WHEN THEY WENT THROUGH IT WITH SEWERS HERE IN 1968, THE FARM HOUSE THAT I OWN, WHICH CRACKED FROM THE FOUNDATION ALL THE WAY UP TO THE PEAK OF THE ROOF.
SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH HOW THAT WILL DO.
AND I GUESS THE NEXT QUESTION I HAVE IS FOR THE, UH, ATTORNEY HERE, SINCE I CAN'T SUE A TOWNSHIP AND I CAN'T REALLY SUE A DEVELOPER IF I GET SERIOUSLY OVERFLOW OUT AS RETENTION POND BEYOND WHAT YOU GUYS JUST SAW, AND THERE'S PICTURES THERE, WHAT IS MY LEGAL RECOURSE? BECAUSE I'M GETTING THREE INCHES OF WATER IN MY BARN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL CURRENTLY, AND IT'S A FULLY VEGETATED SITE.
NOW, ONCE YOU PUT ALL THIS IMPERVIOUS AREA OVER HERE BETWEEN HOUSES, ROADS, SIDEWALKS, IRRESPECTIVE OF THE DRAINAGE THAT YOU PUT IN, YOU'RE STILL GONNA GET IMPERVIOUS AREA THERE AND THE RUNOFF IS GONNA BE PRECIPITATED BY THE SLOPE OF THE HILL COMING DOWN.
AND IF I GET OVERFLOW AND FLOODING, WHAT IS MY LEGAL RECOURSE AT THIS POINT? CAN ANYBODY IN THE TOWNSHIP HERE ANSWER ME THAT? SO I WILL, I I I'LL ANSWER YOU THAT THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT'S CURRENTLY OCCURRING ON THE SITE TO THE EXTENT YOU HAVE WATER THAT IS FALLING ON THE SITE AND RUNNING ON YOUR PROPERTY.
FLOODING ISSUES, THEY DO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO MANAGE THE STORMWATER AND JEN IS MUCH MORE ABLE TO TECHNICALLY ANSWER THIS QUESTION.
THEY HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO MANAGE WHATEVER RUNOFF THEY'RE CREATING WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT, AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE BUILDING THE BASES.
TO THE EXTENT THEY'VE SATISFIED THE TOWNSHIP'S ORDINANCES AND THEY'RE SHOWING THAT THEY COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS AND THE RULE BOOK THAT WE'VE ESTABLISHED, THE TOWNSHIP DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO JUST SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE THINK YOU NEED TO GO TO A HIGHER STANDARD.
THAT THAT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO.
THE TOWNSHIP IS LIMITED TO THE REQUIREMENTS THAT IT HAS IN ITS ORDINANCES.
JEN REVIEWS THEIR PLANS, MAKE SURE THAT THEY COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THOSE ORDINANCES AND MAKE SURE THAT THE DEVELOPER IS COMPLIANT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY THE EXTENT OF WHAT THE TOWNSHIP CAN DO.
I, I UNDERSTAND THAT I'M ACCEPTING THE CURRENT WATER IN NON VEGETATIVE STATE, BUT ONCE IT'S DEVELOPED, WHAT IF THAT WATER EXCEEDS WHAT'S CURRENTLY BEING DEPOSITED ON MY PROPERTY? THAT'S MY QUESTION.
AND WHAT IS MY LEGAL RECOURSE IN THAT EVENT? I WOULD ADVISE YOU TO CONSULT AN ATTORNEY.
I MAKE SURE THAT THE TOWNSHIP'S ORDINANCES ARE BEING FOLLOWED.
JEN REVIEWS THEM TECHNICALLY, I MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE COMPLIED WITH.
TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU HAVE AN ONGOING STORMWATER ISSUE THAT IS FOR YOU AND YOUR ATTORNEY OF THE FUTURE OR PRESENT TO ADVISE YOU AS TO WHAT YOUR LEGAL REMEDIES AND RECOURSE WOULD BE.
OKAY, WELL, I GUESS SO, MR NO, LEMME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
UM, UM, NUMBER ONE, WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE THAT THAT HAPPENS HERE? WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR SOLUTION? WELL, THIS DEMAND AS A RATE COULD BE DEVELOPED.
I WAS GONNA BRING A BUNCH OF PICTURES WITH ME SHOWING BASINS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED, PASSED, AND ARE WORKING WELL IN UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP WITHIN TWO, THREE MILES OF THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
ALL OF THESE HAVE OVERFLOW PROVISIONS AND THE OVERFLOW PROVISIONS ARE TO A WATER SOURCE OF SOME KIND.
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NO WATER SOURCE THAT THIS BLEEDS OUT TO.YOU CAN SEE YOU'RE CONCEIVING THAT, THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP A PROBLEM.
SO, UM, MY SECOND QUESTION IS, WHAT MAKES YOU, UM, SO POSITIVE IN YOUR THINKING THAT THIS IS GOING TO GET WORSE? COULD THERE BE A POSSIBILITY WITH JEN AND HER EXPERTISE IN THE DEVELOPER THAT IT COULD BE BETTER? ABSOLUTELY.
COULD BE, AND I'D WELCOME THAT WONDERFULLY, EXCEPT THAT I'VE BEEN DOING EXCAVATING WORK FOR ABOUT 40 YEARS AND I KNOW WHAT THE SUBSTRUCTURE OF THAT AREA IS.
I'VE DUG A LOT OF ROCK ON MY OWN PROPERTY.
AND UNLESS YOU'RE OPENING THE ROCK UP AKA FRACKING THE ROCK TO ALLOW THE WATER TO DISSIPATE IN THERE, AND PARTICULARLY SINCE THIS BASIN IS NOT DESIGNED TO BLEED THE WATER OFF, BUT BASICALLY AN EVAPORATIVE TYPE SYSTEM HERE, THINGS DON'T EVAPORATE VERY WELL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WINTER, YOU GET THE SNOW MELT AND EVERYTHING COMES DOWN AND IT'S FROZEN, YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANY MILK WHATSOEVER.
SO MY CONCERN IS IF YOU'RE HAVING A RETENTION POND THAT'S ON A HUNDRED PERCENT ROCK AT THE DEPTH THAT THEY'RE SHOWING ON THE DRAWING BY THEIR SCHEDULES, WHERE'S THAT WATER GONNA GET ABSORBED BY? OKAY.
WELL LET'S ASK THE ENGINEER IF HE WANTS TO RESPOND TO THAT.
DO YOU WANNA RESPOND TO ANY OF THAT? YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
SO THE, THE SYSTEM THAT IS DESIGNED IS APPROVED BY DEP AND THE TOWNSHIP.
IT IS, IT IS CALLED A MANAGED RELEASE.
IT'S FOR SITES THAT DON'T NATURALLY INFILTRATE.
SO, SO IT, IT STORES THE WATER FOR RUNOFF EVENTS AND SLOWLY DISSIPATES IT OBVIOUSLY THROUGH PLANT UPTAKE, THROUGH, UH, A SMALL ORIFICE.
SO IT LIKE BASICALLY TRICKLES OUT.
UM, AND THEN THE TOWNSHIP'S REQUIREMENT FOR PEAK RATE REDUCTION.
SO DURING, DURING THESE HEAVY STORMS, THESE SIX SEVEN INCH STORMS, THE TOWN REQUIRES YOU TO TAKE THAT DOWN TO WHAT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF A THREE INCH STORM AND, AND THE RATE THAT IT FLOWS OFF SITE.
SO NOT MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION IS THERE'S GONNA BE SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT BECAUSE ALL OF THIS AREA IS GOING TO BE DELAYED DURING THESE LARGE EVENTS.
I, I THINK THAT JEN MIGHT AGREE THAT THE, THE TOWNSHIP'S ORDINANCES ARE VERY ROBUST IN THEIR REQUIREMENTS AND WE'VE MET ALL OF THEM.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE REALLY TOOK IT SERIOUSLY.
WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN AT MANY MEETINGS.
IT HAS COME UP, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE NPDS PROCESS EVEN BEFORE WE CAME BACK FOR JUST THIS REASON.
SO I, I DO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A VERY, UM, GOOD DESIGN AND IT MEETS ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE TOWNSHIP.
JEN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THIS? NO, I AGREE THAT, THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
THEY HAVE THEIR, UH, NPDS PERMIT, WHICH IS TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THEIR VOLUME CONTROL REQUIREMENTS.
AND AS THEIR ENGINEER SAID THAT THEY ARE REDUCING THE 50 YEAR POST DEVELOPMENT STORM DOWN TO THE TWO YEAR PRE RUNOFF.
QUESTION FOR DEVELOPER WOULD BE, DID ANYBODY DO TESTS IN TERMS OF PERCOLATION AT THE VARIOUS DEPTHS? SO WE DID, WE DID DO PRELIMINARY TESTS.
UM, AND WE, WE WENT TO A CERTAIN DEPTH, THAT'S WHY ACTUALLY WE WENT BACK OUT.
SO WE WENT BACK OUT AFTER WE, WE HAD DONE THE PRELIMINARY TESTING, WE HAD NO INFILTRATION ANYWHERE.
UH, SO WE, WE WENT, WE, WE PREPARED A PLAN.
WE SUBMITTED TO THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT, HEY, GIVE US YOUR COMMENTS.
ONE OF THEM WAS, HEY, GO DO TESTING AT A DEEPER DEPTH TO SHOW THAT THERE'S STILL NO INFILTRATION.
SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH, UM, THE STEPS AND IT WAS MORE OF AN ITERATIVE PROCESS THAN, HEY, YEAH, WE HAVE INFILTRATION.
IT'S AT THIS ELEVATION, LET'S GO.
WE HAD TO FURTHER PROVE THERE WAS NO MORE INFILTRATION.
SO AGAIN, WE DID ALL THE TESTS THAT WERE REQUIRED, UM, THROUGHOUT THE SITE TO, TO SHOW THAT ONE ANYWHERE YOU WOULD PUT A BASIN WOULD NOT INFILTRATE IN, IN THE NATURAL MANNER.
THAT'S HOW YOU GET INTO THE MANAGE RELEASE DESIGN PROCESS.
UM, AND AGAIN, WE WENT AND HAMMERED OUT, I THINK IT WAS LIKE 13 FEET OF ROCK TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS THE SAME PROFILE ALL THE WAY DOWN AND IT STILL DIDN'T INFILTRATE.
SO, SO THIS DESIGN LETS IT TRICKLE OUT? IS THAT THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THAT? THAT IS CORRECT, YES.
WHAT, WHAT'S TRICKLE? SO, NO, I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT TRICKLE WAS, BUT YEAH.
I MEAN, IS IT A TWO INCH OR IS IT ONE INCH OR? SO FOR, FOR, FOR A RAIN EVENT, AND I'LL SAY ABOUT FOUR INCHES OF RAIN, WHICH IS THREE AND A HALF INCHES OF RAIN IS ABOUT A TWO YEAR STORM, WHICH, UM, YOU KNOW WHAT, TODAY I THINK WE PROBABLY ONLY HAD LIKE A HALF AN INCH.
IT'S, IT'S SIGNIFICANT IN ITS INTENSITY, BUT THE WAY THAT YOU GET THREE INCHES IS IT'S PROLONGED FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.
SO IT'S A THREE AND A HALF INCH, 24 HOUR STORM.
SO THE WATER GETS SATURATED AND UH, OR THE GROUND GETS SATURATED AND THEN EVERYTHING AFTER THAT POINT RUNS OFF.
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SO WHAT HAPPENS IN THESE SITUATIONS FOR THE, FOR THE VOLUME REDUCTION, UM, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH INFILTRATION OR MRC IS THE GROUND GETS SATURATED, THE RUNOFF COMES DOWN, WE COLLECT IT ALL, IT FILLS UP IN THE FACILITY, RIGHT? AND INSTEAD OF GOING OUT, TRADITIONALLY 30 YEARS AGO, IT WAS A 30 INCH PIPE AND THEN WE STARTED CONTROLLING IT A LITTLE BIT MORE.AND NOW THAT THREE AND A HALF INCH STORM WILL PROBABLY GO OUT A ONE INCH OR FIFTH.
SO IN A THREE AND A HALF INCH STORM, THE PEAK RATE COMING OUT OF IT IS, I'M GONNA, I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME, BUT IT, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN TERMS OF WHAT, UM, THE DOWNSTREAM PROPERTY OWNER WOULD SEE.
PARTICULARLY SINCE THAT THE INTENSITY OF EVERYBODY ELSE'S UNCONTROLLED RUNOFF IS GONE AND THEN IT, IT CONTINUES ON.
SO, UM, A TRICKLE SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD BE ONE CUBIC FOOT PER SECOND SPREAD OVER LIKE 280 FEET.
UM, SO IT'S NEGLIGIBLE IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IN TERMS OF RUNOFF.
AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A PROVEN SYSTEM, RIGHT? I MEAN THIS, THIS IS, IT IS NOT SOMETHING NEW.
UH, BUT I THINK THE STATE HAS BEEN ALLOWING IT FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS.
IT'S BEEN, IT WAS IMPLEMENTED IN THE CITY OF PHILADELPHIA THE LAST 20 YEARS.
UM, AND IT'S, YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S, IT'S A PROVEN SYSTEM.
JEN, ANYTHING ELSE? I'M SORRY, JEN.
I GUESS MY ONLY COMMENT AT THIS POINT IS THAT I'VE LIVED ON THIS PROPERTY FOR MORE THAN 60 YEARS.
UM, ACROSS THE STREET IS THE AMANDA LANE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR 25 OR BETTER YEARS.
THEY HAVE, UH, RETENTION BASINS THERE AND THAT RETENTION BASIN FLOWS INTO THE STREAM, WHICH RUN UNDER PART OF OUR PROPERTY.
AND OVER THE YEARS, I'VE WITNESSED COUNTLESS TIMES OF FLOODING AND I THINK I'VE SUBMITTED A COUPLE PICTURES IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS OF, UH, COMPLETE INUNDATION OF THE FIVE FOOT DIAMETER PIPE THAT I HAVE NEXT TO MY BARN FROM EXISTING BASIN FROM AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THE OVERFLOW FROM THAT RUNS INTO THE CREEK.
SO ULTIMATELY THAT WATER'S GETTING INTO THAT CREEK ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, AND THE FLOODINGS GONNA BE DOWNSTREAM ON TWO OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WE OWN.
AND THE OTHER QUESTION IS, ALRIGHT, I UNDERSTAND THE INFILTRATION.
I'VE DONE A FEW RETENTION POND IN MY LIFE, LIFE, I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, I DON'T HAVE LETTERS BEHIND MY NAME, BUT I KNOW THE THINGS THAT I'VE HAD TO FIX FOR THINGS THAT DIDN'T WORK CORRECTLY BACK IN THE DAY, IT HAD TO BE REVISED.
AND I DID THE REVISIONS TO COMPLY WITH THE NECESSARY REPAIRS THAT NEED TO BE MADE.
SO ONCE THIS INFILTRATION FILLS UP THE BURNS THEY HAVE BETWEEN THEIR PROPERTY IN MINE AND THAT BECOMES TOTALLY SATURATED, THEN ALL THAT WATER STILL SATURATED OR NOT IS GONNA COME DOWN ONTO MY PROPERTY BECAUSE THE GROUND IS ONLY GONNA TAKE X AMOUNT OF WATER AND AFTER THAT IT'S GONNA SIT THERE IN A BIG PUDDLE.
SO I'M ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER THAT.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING FENCING AROUND MOSQUITOES, KIDS, THE WHOLE 10 YARDS.
I'M TALKING ABOUT HAVING A LIVE POND ON TOP OF A LARGE SLAB OF ROCK, BECAUSE BASICALLY THAT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA BE.
I THINK, I THINK MR. ICK MADE SOME REFERENCE TO MAINTENANCE.
DOESN'T THE HOA HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE RETENTION BASIN? YES.
SO, SO IF THERE IS ANY ISSUE, THE HOA HAS A RESPONSIBILITY WITH THE TOWNSHIP TO MAINTAIN THOSE RETENTION BASES.
IF THERE WAS ANY, ANY, ANY LAND DEVELOPMENT HAS TO, THEY HAVE TO ENTER INTO AN OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT AT THE TIME OF RECORDING.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS YEAH, THAT, THAT WOULD BE RECORDED.
THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT ANYBODY THAT BUYS A PROPERTY IN THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT'S PART OF THE HOA WILL HAVE BE ON NOTICE OF.
SO THERE, THERE'S NO QUESTION.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL TOGETHER.
I'M CO-OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY.
JEFF, IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU CAN BLOW UP THAT RETENTION BASIN AREA FOR US SO WE CAN SEE THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER? ANYTHING ELSE? I'M GETTING THERE.
OKAY, SO I DON'T HAVE A LASER POINTER, BUT I THAT, WHO HAS ONE? ALRIGHT, HERE, MAN, IT WORKS.
YEAH, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT VERY WELL, BUT LET'S SEE IF WE CAN YOU HAVE CHARGES FOR THAT
IT'S GREEN, BUT LIKE I SAID, YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE IT.
WELL I'M GONNA GO POINT TO IT FIRST
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OF ALL.SO YOU CAN ALSO SPEAK LOUDLY SO THE MICS CAN GET YOU THIS AREA HERE, WHICH I CAN'T REACH ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP OF, THERE'S LIKE A LEVEL SPREADER UNIT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
YOU CAN'T SEE 'EM ON THIS PRINT, BUT I DID SEE ON A PREVIOUS PRINT WHERE THERE WERE TWO SPILLWAYS COMING ONTO OUR PROPERTY AND THE PROPERTY OF MR. ALEXANDER.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IN THE TOWNSHIP ZONING, THIS IS YOUR TOWNSHIP ZONING, YOU CANNOT DUMP YOUR WATER ONTO MY PROPERTY.
THERE IS AN EXISTING STORM WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM ON ROUTE 29, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PAPERWORK FROM THAT TO THAT SYSTEM.
OH, WELL I WAS HOPING YOU WERE GONNA TAKE IT.
WHY WOULD I WANT THAT? AND MR. MEL, I THINK OUR ORDINANCE, UM, JEN CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, ISN'T THAT THEY CAN'T DUMP WHATEVER THEIR PROPERTY, THE WATER CAN'T GO ONTO YOUR PROPERTY ANY FASTER THAN IT'S GOING ON IT TODAY.
OKAY? BUT WHY ARE THEY SPILLING IT ONTO MY PROPERTY FROM THAT LEVEL SPREADER.
WHY ISN'T THERE AN OVERFLOW PIPE FROM THAT? SO AS, AS I, I CAN ANSWER THIS.
AS AN UPLAND PROPERTY OWNER, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO CONTINUE TO, TO RELEASE WATER ONTO YOUR PROPERTY.
THEY CAN'T INCREASE THE, THE CONCENTRATION, THEY CAN'T INCREASE THE QUANTITY OF WATER THAT'S GOING ON YOUR PROPERTY.
BUT THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO CONTINUE TO RELEASE WATER IN THE SAME DIRECTION OF THE SAME GENERAL LOCATION AS WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY DOING IT AS.
IT'S THE, IT'S THE COMMON ENEMY RULE.
SO WE WERE TOLD AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS THERE'S GONNA BE LESS WATER FLOW ON OUR PROPERTY.
I DON'T REALLY BELIEVE THAT THAT'S THE CASE.
UM, I NOW I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
SO THEY'RE TAKING ALL THE STONE WATER FROM ROUTE 29 WITH THE DECELERATION LANE PLUS ALL THE INLETS THEY HAVE HERE, AND THEY'RE DUMPING ALL THAT INTO THESE TWO LITTLE BASINS, WHICH ARE GONNA BE ON A ROCK BASE.
IF YOU'RE GONNA DIG DOWN 12 PLUS FEET, YOU'RE GONNA BE IN DEAD ROCK.
HOW ARE WE GONNA GET THAT WATER TO STEEP SEE, AND, AND THE ROCK? WELL, I THINK YOU JUST EXPLAINED IT WELL, I I I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT HONESTLY, BUT I MEAN WELL, I UNDERSTAND.
WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR A LOT OF YEARS, BUDDY.
WHEN YOU GET DOWN PAST THE SHELL, IT'S BLUE ROCK, NOTHING'S GETTING THROUGH THAT.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU, YOU YOU DON'T AGREE WITH IT, BUT WE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN OFFICES HERE.
WE'RE, WE'RE HERE TO HEAR ALL SIDES AND THEN MAKE A VOTE AND WE HAVE TO GO WITH OUR EXPERTS.
I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS OUR EXPERT THAT THE TOWNSHIP, UH, UH, RETAINS AND SHE'S THE ONE THAT SAYS THIS IS, THIS WILL WORK.
AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK, THEN WHAT'S OUR RECOURSE? WELL, THAT'S WHAT I THINK ZACH SAID THAT YOU NEED TO PROBABLY TALK TO AN ATTORNEY.
UM, SO IS THIS AN EVAPOTRANSPIRATION SYSTEM? VICKY'S
IT STATES THEY'RE NOT WELL SUITED FOR THE NORTHEAST UNITED STATES DUE TO THE REGION'S CLIMATE CONDITIONS.
THEY'RE PRIMARILY DESIGNED FOR ARAB OR SEMI ARAB REGIONS WHERE EVAPORATION SIGNIFICANTLY EXCEEDS PRECIPITATION, WHICH IS NOT IN THE NORTHEAST.
SO THEN I GUESS THIS LETTER I JUST GOT TODAY THAT WE ALL GOT ITEM TWO SAYS THAT THERE SHALL BE PROVIDED 10% OF TOTAL SITE AREA TO BE USABLE SPACE FOR COMMUNITY AREAS, PLAYGROUNDS OUT LOTS, ET CETERA.
WHERE SHE DOES NOT SAY IN THERE, MR. MALLICK, IS THERE'S A CAVEAT FOR ANYTHING UNDER 15 ACRES CAN GET A FEE IN LIEU OF, OH, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING? MAKING THE DEAL? YEAH, NO, I'M NOT MAKING A DEAL.
THE, THE, THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT IF YOU ARE, IT ALLOWS A DEVELOPER, IF THEY'RE UNDER 15 ACRES TO PAY A FEE IN LIEU OF OPEN SPACE.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR.
SUPERVISORS STILL HAVE TO APPROVE.
ALRIGHT, SOUNDED LIKE IT'S DONE, BILL, ISN'T ANYBODY? YEP, WE'RE NOT DONE.
VICTORIA SCHWARTZ 2 48 BAXTER.
UM, MY FAMILY IS IN THAT CEMETERY.
SO I'M GONNA GIVE YOU GUYS LITTLE STATISTICS HERE BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO BLASTING BECAUSE THERE'S SHALE RED ROCK,
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BLUE ROCK IS IMPIOUS.THERE'S ALSO A WELL, AND WHERE YOU'RE ACTUALLY BUILDING THE ROAD IN THE HOMES, IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE, WELL CAN YOU SCROLL THERE A LITTLE BIT, JEFF? AND IT'S ALSO RIGHT WHERE MY GRANDPARENTS ARE BURIED.
SO YOU CAN SEE WHY I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A, UM, AN ISSUE IN MAKING SURE THAT THE CEMETERY, BY THE WAY, HOLY GHOST CEMETERY, THAT IS WHAT IT IS KNOWN AS.
OKAY? IT IS HOLY GHOST CEMETERY.
IT'S, UH, THE FIRST BURNER WAS AUGUST 7TH, 1937.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT MEANS THERE ARE OLD MONUMENTS THERE.
SO I'M SAYING THIS TO YOU GUYS BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOME FORM OF BLASTING.
NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME TYPE OF, UM, HOPEFULLY SEISMIC PROTECTION.
PROTECTION IN GENERAL BECAUSE AT HOLY GHOST THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN CREMATION.
NOW, I DON'T CARE HOW OLD SOME OF THESE REMAINS ARE, BUT THE DESECRATION OF THE DECEASED IS NOT ACCEPTABLE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.
IT'S ALSO AGAINST THE LAW TO DESECRATED CEMETERY, AS YOU GUYS KNOW.
NOW, WHAT I'M MY CONCERN IS, IS ONE THE WELL WATER, BECAUSE IT BUTTS UP RIGHT AGAINST THAT PROPERTY, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO BLAST.
OKAY, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS PROPERTY'S GONNA BE BUILT.
WHATEVER PROBLEM WITH IS TOO MANY HOUSES TAKE IT DOWN ABOUT TWO OR THREE, PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT BETTER, OKAY? BUT AGAIN, THIS IS ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY AND RETURN ON THEIR INVESTMENT CAN THEY GET AT ONE POINT TO ONE POINT WHAT? 2 MILLION? OKAY.
AS YOU WERE SAYING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I GET IT.
TAXES WHOSE TAXES GO UP, NOT THEIRS.
MIND YOU AND I LIVE IN A TOWNHOUSE, GRANTED OUR COMMUNITY'S BUILDING, OKAY, WHAT IS THE BIG THING? I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE CEMETERY.
I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE PROTECTION OF MY GRANDPARENTS, WHO BY THE WAY HAVEN'T BEEN THAT DECEASED FOR THAT LONG.
I'M WORRIED ABOUT WEL WATER BEING AFFECTED.
NOW YOU'VE GOT VAULTS THAT ARE GONNA CRACK.
YOU'VE GOT CASKETS THAT ARE GONNA BE AFFECTED AND YOU'VE GOT OLD TOMBSTONES.
NOW THEY MIGHT SAY, OH, THAT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.
WELL, WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS THAT ARE BURIED THERE, AND AGAIN, THIS IS AN OLD CEMETERY SINCE 1937, AND WHEN YOU ACTUALLY SEE WHAT'S ACTUALLY DUG AND HOW FAR THEY HAVE TO DIG DOWN, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE.
THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN.
AND WE'RE NOT THE ONLY WELL UP THERE, ESPECIALLY WHERE THE TOP TWO HOUSES ARE.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.
I WANNA KNOW WHAT THE PROTECTION IS, I WANT KNOW HOW THEY'RE GONNA GUARANTEE.
AND I WANNA KNOW WHO I'M GOING TO SUE IN THE EVENT THAT SOMETHING GOES WRONG WITH THAT CEMETERY.
AND IF I HAVE TO DIG THAT UP AND FIND OUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, I HAVE NO PROBLEMS DOING THAT.
BUT I AM GONNA SUE SOMEBODY IF MY GRANDPARENTS ARE DISTURBED.
IF THE WELL WATER, WHICH MY GRANDPARENTS ARE NEAR ARE A CHALLENGE, MY CONCERN IS I WANT THEM TO DO IT PROPERLY.
I UNDERSTAND BUILDINGS HAPPENING.
I DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT PORTION OF IT.
I CARE ABOUT BUILDING AND BUILDING PROPERLY, RESPECTFULLY, AND WITHOUT GREED.
SO AGAIN, 1937, THERE ARE VERY OLD STONES IN THERE.
AND WE'VE ALSO, HERE'S THE OTHER THING THAT'S A CHALLENGE.
WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO TO PROTECT THEIR SIDE OF THE WORLD AGAINST OUR CEMETERY? I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE PROTECTION, THERE IS A PARTIAL SET.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT'S UP TO THE, THE WOODS.
I WANNA KNOW HOW ARE THEY GONNA GUARANTEE THAT NO RAFF OR PARTIES, BECAUSE PEOPLE GET FUNNY.
THEY HAVE PARTIES, THEY GET DRUNK, AND THEN THEY END UP IN THE CEMETERY AND START BASHING STUFF.
OR THEY HAVE KIDS WHO DO THAT.
IT'S ALREADY HAPPENED A COUPLE TIMES UP IN THAT CEMETERY, UNFORTUNATELY.
AND IT'S NOT JUST THAT ONE, BUT IT'S ALSO THE OTHER ONE ON LOVER'S LANE, WHICH IS MY OTHER CHURCH.
SO YES, I HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS OF BOTH.
ONE IS GREEK ORTHODOX, ONE IS BYZANTINE CATHOLIC ON IN BOTH.
SO WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT CEMETERY IS PROTECTED.
AND THEN ALSO A LITTLE PART OF THEIR ROAD IS ON THAT CEMETERY.
I KNOW THAT THEY KIND OF MOVED IT OVER.
THE CEMETERY WILL NOT PROBABLY CONCEDE FOR THEM SELLING OFF THE LAND BECAUSE THEY'RE PLOTS WHERE THEY WANT THAT ROAD.
SO MY QUESTION TO THEM IS, HOW THE HECK ARE THEY GONNA DO IT? HOW ARE THEY GONNA GUARANTEE THAT THESE VAULTS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE 1937, OKAY, I DON'T CARE WHERE THE BONES ARE, BUT THE 1937, HOW ARE THEY GONNA GUARANTEE THAT THESE PEOPLE'S REMAINS STAY INTACT? HOLY GHOST DOES NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE IN THEIR RELIGION, THEIR BELIEF DOES NOT BELIEVE IN CREMATION.
THE MOMENT YOU HAVE A SEISMIC ORDEAL AND AFFECTS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, BOLTS, CRACK, CASKET, CRACKED, AND OLDER BONES, THEY'RE ALREADY DISINTEGRATED.
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THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.AND THAT IS AGAINST THE RELIGION TO BE CREMATED.
OKAY? SO I KNOW THAT THEY REALLY COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THAT PORTION.
I CARE ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THE BOLTS, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THE WELL, AND WHAT FACTOR DO I HAVE TO PROTECT MY GRANDPARENTS' FINAL RESTING PLACE WAY BEFORE HE CAME IN WITH HIS MONTH 0.2 MILLION, WHATEVER HOUSES.
THAT'S, IT'S FRUSTRATING BECAUSE I, I HOPE HE HAS A PLAN IN PLACE, BUT 11, HE, LITTLE BIT TOO MANY.
WHY? BECAUSE HE WANTS MONEY IN HIS POCKET.
RETURN ON INVESTMENT, UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GONNA BE DONE.
I'M ASKING FOR THINGS TO BE BUILT PROPERLY AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOT JUST ONE.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO THINK ABOUT BECAUSE THE CHURCH DOES HAVE SOME LEGAL GROUNDS IN THE EVENT SOMETHING HAPPENS.
IT CAN BE AGAINST THE TOWNSHIP.
YOU'RE, THE LAWYER COULD BE AGAINST THEM.
I WANNA KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, BECAUSE IF YOU THINK I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO'S GONNA BE P****D OFF ABOUT IT, ESPECIALLY SINCE MY GRANDPARENTS ARE RIGHT THERE, IT'D BE DIFFERENT IF THEY WERE A LITTLE BIT FARTHER AROUND.
THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT TO THE, WELL, THEY'RE RIGHT ON THAT PROPERTY KIND OF BUTTING UP AGAINST THE LINE.
AND I, I'M HOPING SOMEONE CAN ANSWER THAT.
AND I'M HOPING THAT YOU, AT LEAST YOU GUYS CAN BE RESPECTFUL OF THE DECEASED.
THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT A JOKE.
I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO IMPLODE.
THERE'S NO WAY IN HELL YOU GUYS CAN DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN IMPLODE.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, WHAT ARE THE PROTECTIONS? HOW ARE YOU GONNA GUARANTEE, BECAUSE MY GRANDPARENTS DON'T DESERVE TO BE DESECRATED TO THE WAY THAT THEY ALREADY ARE.
THEY DESERVE TO REST IN PEACE AND LET NATURE TAKE ITS COURSE.
THE BOLTS, THE WELL RIGHT UP AGAINST YOUR PROPERTY.
AND THEN I ALSO WANNA KNOW WHAT PROTECTION TO PROTECT AGAINST VANDALISM.
WHEN YOU HAVE THESE NEW HOMES, THEY DON'T THINK THAT THEY WON'T HAVE KIDS THAT ARE IN TROUBLEMAKERS.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE'VE SEEN IN THIS WORLD TODAY, YOU HAVE A LOT OF KIDS THAT WE ALL DID IT WHEN WE WERE YOUNG.
THEY WANNA HAVE FUN, THEY WANNA SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO THAT'S MY QUESTION TO YOU GUYS, AND, UM, THAT'S ANOTHER CONCERN.
UM, ONE MORE THING THAT I ALSO DO HAVE, UH, TOO, IS I'M A LITTLE DISENCHANTED AND I KIND OF KNOW, I'M, I'M IN CORPORATE BUSINESS.
I DEAL WITH MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF BUSINESS PERSONALLY, UM, IN THE PHARMACEUTICAL WORLD.
SO MY CONCERN IS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE DOING BUSINESS AND PLANS, I, I KIND OF FEEL IT'S A LITTLE, UM, LEGAL TACTIC TO PUT ACROSS THINGS AT THE LAST MINUTE.
SO THE NOTES THAT YOU GUYS HANDED LAST MINUTE IS A LITTLE UNDERHANDED.
I THINK IT WOULD'VE BEEN RESPECTFUL AND POLITE TO HAVE GOTTEN THAT TO THE TOWNSHIP WAY BEFORE THIS MEETING.
AND THEN THE REST OF US, I I JUST NEED TO JUMP IN AND CORRECT YOU ON ONE POINT, THE LETTER THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED TODAY WAS ISSUED BY THE TOWNSHIP'S ENGINEER.
OKAY? NOT, THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING.
THEY DIDN'T SPRING ANYTHING ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE TOWNSHIP, THEN, MY APOLOGIES.
THEY SUBMITTED THEIR PLANS AND ALL OF THEIR DOCUMENTS.
SO WHY ARE WE GETTING IT LATE? THEY ASKED VICTORIA, THEY ASKED TO BE ON THIS AGENDA AND POTENTIALLY THE JUNE 2ND, JUNE 3RD AGENDA WE DO, THE TOWN SHEET POLICY IS FOR A CLEAN LETTER, OKAY? WHICH MEANS NO COMMENTS AT ALL OTHER THAN ADMINISTRATIVE BACKGROUND STUFF, ALL RIGHT? THEY WERE, WE'VE BEEN, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN KICKING THEM.
THEY'VE BEEN KICKED DOWN THE ROAD A COUPLE TIMES.
WE FINALLY FELT, THEY FINALLY FELT THEY WERE IN A PLACE TO WHERE THEY WANTED TO COME TO A MEETING, DISCUSS THE PLANS, WHERE THEY WERE, OKAY, HAVE THE LETTER IN FRONT OF THEM, WHICH GIVEN JEN'S WORKLOAD CAME OUT TODAY, OKAY? AND THEN THEY, THEY ARE PREPARED TO COME TO THE NEXT MEETING TO FURTHER ADDRESS OTHER COMMENTS AS THEY WANT TO.
UM, HOWEVER, I DO THINK, OKAY, SO NOW THIS IS COMING TO PLAY, BUT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION, JEFF.
WELL, THAT'S WHY WE'RE PLANNING TWO MEETINGS SO THAT NOTHING IS SPRUNG ON YOU AND YOU HAVE TIME TO GO BACK.
THIS IS WHY I'M SAYING THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION.
BUT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND SOMETIMES WHEN THINGS ARE THROWN OUT AGAIN, WE'RE NOT IN YOUR WORLD.
I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT.
BUT SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, AS THINGS GET THROWN OUT, YOU CAN SEE SOMETIMES WHY OUR MINDSETS MIGHT BE, ALTHOUGH YOU ARE TRYING TO DO THAT, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
I'VE BEEN NOTHING BUT OPEN WITH THIS PROCESS.
NO, AND YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE BEEN GOOD.
I DON'T APPRECIATE THE, THE SLIGHT INSULT.
I THINK I JUST APOLOGIZED FOR THAT.
AND, BUT THEN YOU SAID, BUT, SO WELL, LET'S JUST MOVE PAST THIS POINT.
I THANK YOU AND YOU HAVE BEEN VERY GREAT.
AND THAT'S ONE THING I DO WANNA MAKE NOTE.
JEFF HAS BEEN ACTUALLY VERY GREAT ABOUT THAT.
UM, THAT IS THE GIL MARTIN ASSOCIATES LETTER TO WHICH YOU'RE REFERRING, THAT WAS HANDED OUT TODAY, AND THERE'S NO TEXT IN THE LETTER THAT WASN'T IN PREVIOUS LETTERS.
OKAY? SO THE LETTER'S BEEN REDUCED TO THE SCOPE AS THEY HAVE ADDRESSED OUTSTANDING DESIGN ITEMS. OKAY? SO ANYTHING IN THIS LETTER HAS BEEN PUBLICLY, IT'S JUST NOW IT'S PUT TOGETHER, IT'S JUST REDUCED.
YES, THAT'S THE ONE I'M REFERRING TO.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR CLARIFYING, BECAUSE IT DOES MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.
THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE'RE COMING WITH.
AND AGAIN, I DID NOT MEAN TO INSULT BY ANY MEANS.
JEFF, YOU HAVE BEEN VERY GREAT ABOUT
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EVERYTHING.SO THESE ARE SOMETIMES WHY YOU GUYS MIGHT ASK, WHY THE HELL ARE THEY COMING UP WITH THIS? I JUST WANT TO SHARE, YOU KNOW, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, NOT KNOWING ALL THE LAYERS THAT HAPPENED THERE.
AND AGAIN, THEY DEFINITELY DESERVE THAT APOLOGY.
SO AGAIN, I, I DO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
I'M NOT AFRAID TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR CERTAIN THINGS AS WELL.
UM, UNDERSTANDING THE FORAY, AGAIN, MY BIGGEST ISSUE IS AGAIN, UM, THE OTHER THING, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, I KNOW THAT THAT'S COMING.
MY ONLY OTHER CONCERN IS THE FACT THE HOUSE GONNA AFFECT LOWER MONTCLAIR.
UM, WHEN THAT WATER COMES DOWN, THERE'S ALREADY A CREEK DOWN THERE.
AND OTHER PEOPLE FURTHER ALONG DOWN AMELIA STREETS, WHICH BASICALLY LOVER'S LANE GOES DOWN ON AMELIA STREET.
THAT CREEK RIGHT THERE IS THE SAME CREEK.
PEOPLE ARE LOSING THEIR HOMES BECAUSE IT'S EROSION, A LOT OF EROSION.
SO HOPEFULLY THERE'S STORM WATER MANAGEMENT IS GONNA ACTUALLY HELP TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT EXTRA EROSION THAT'S CURRENTLY ALREADY HAPPENING NATURALLY.
OKAY? SO THAT'S THE LAST THING I HAVE TO SAY.
MY BIGGEST THING IS THE CEMETERY.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ADDRESSED.
UM, AND THERE ARE GONNA BE, I'M SURE PEOPLE FROM THE CHURCH AS WELL.
UM, BUT THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN, IS TRULY WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO TO PROTECT THE CEMETERY AND HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GUARANTEE IT? AND IF SOMETHING SHOULD HAPPEN, WHAT IS THE RECOURSE THAT WE HAVE LEGALLY, UM, TO GO AFTER IT? BECAUSE I KNOW THE CHURCH DEFINITELY WILL, THEY'LL BE HELD HOUSE.
SO I, I'LL, I'LL JUST ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS IN THIS PROCESS.
WE HAVE THE SUBDIVISION LAND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, WE HAVE THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
THEY HAVE TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
ONE OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS IS NOT, SHALL NOT DO BLASTING THAT DISTURBS A CEMETERY.
THAT'S NOT ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE CAN EVEN CONSIDER.
SO TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY DO ANY DAMAGE TO AN ADJACENT PROPERTY, CONSULT AN ATTORNEY.
I'M NOT YOUR ATTORNEY, I'M THE TOWNSHIP'S ATTORNEY UP HERE.
WE'RE LIMITED TO APPLYING THE RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN IMPOSED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
SO, SO TO THAT EXTENT, NONE OF THAT IS RELEVANT REALLY IN THIS PROCESS.
SO, AND IN TERMS OF HYPOTHETICAL VANDALISM, CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T HAVE ANY SAY OVER THAT.
IF THE CHURCH WANTS TO PUT UP A, A TALLER FENCE ALONG THAT PROPERTY EDGE, I, I WOULD THINK THE ZONING HEARING BOARD WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT POSSIBILITY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE FOCUSED ON WHAT ARE THE ISSUES THAT WE ACTUALLY AS A TOWNSHIP CAN CONTROL, AND WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE FAR BEYOND OUR SCOPE.
AND THAT IS, THOSE ISSUES ARE FAR BEYOND ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DEAL WITH.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, AS A TOWNSHIP THEN, WHO'S SUPPOSED TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE? AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND CERTAIN THINGS, BUT AT THE SAME POINT IN TIME, YES, THE CEMETERY WOULD HAVE LEGALITY TO BE ABLE TO GO AFTER SOMEBODY.
UM, BUT AS A TOWNSHIP, WHY WOULDN'T THERE BE PROTECTION IN PLACE FOR CERTAIN THINGS WHEN A FORM OF BLASTING HAS TO HAPPEN? I GUESS THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MAYBE WE'LL LET YOU KNOW, THAT THE BLASTING IS CONTROLLED BY THE STATE.
SO, OR FIRE MARSHAL IS INFORMED WHEN LASTING IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
AND IS HE ON SITE? DOES THAT HAPPEN USUALLY? NO.
UM, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF, IF THEY'RE STATE INSPECTIONS THAT ARE ON SITE.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST WHEN WE KNOW THAT BLASTING IS OCCURRING AND THERE'S RESIDENTIAL UNITS NEAR IT, IS WE HAVE ASKED THE BLASTING OR WE'VE ASKED THE DEVELOPER TO HAVE AN EMAIL CHAIN SET UP, OKAY.
SO THAT THEY CAN WARN THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BE WORN WHEN BLASTING IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
OKAY? WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU VIDEO YOUR HOUSE.
WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU VIDEO YOUR BASEMENT ALL THE WALLS SO YOU HAVE A RECORD OF THAT, INDEPENDENT OF WHAT THE INSPECTION THE STATE MAY REQUIRE BEFOREHAND IS WHAT THEY REQUIRE.
OKAY? SO THAT'S INDEPENDENT OF THAT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY LEGAL BASIS TO SAY THAT ZACH HAS, WOULD NOT BLESS THIS IF I, YOU KNOW, BUT GENERALLY THAT'S THE ADVICE THAT I'VE GIVEN PEOPLE THAT, THAT PROTECT YOURSELF.
MAKE YOUR OWN VIDEOS OF WHAT IT IS.
MAKE SURE YOU CAN SEE THE DATE ON THOSE VIDEOS, OKAY? AND IF IT GETS TO THAT POINT WHEN THEY DO BLAST, UH, WE CAN TALK TO THE FIRE MARSHAL AND HE'S INFORMED WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO BLAST, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE THERE COULD BE ISSUES.
YEAH, HE CAN, WE CAN REQUIRE THE BLASTING COMPANY.
WE CAN ASK THE BLASTING COMPANY TO SEND OUT AN EMAIL TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED.
THE CHURCH, THE MALICE, YOU, WHOEVER.
WE, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST AND THAT'S ALL, IT'S ALL WE CAN ACTUALLY ABLE TO DO.
BUT DO OUR GUIDELINES, RIGHT, JEFF? I MEAN, THEY'RE GUIDE, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO JUST GO SET UP THERE BOXES TT AND, AND HOPE THAT IT, I I HAVE NEVER SEEN THEM.
I ASSUME THEY ARE BECAUSE IT, IT IS CONTROLLED BY THE STATE.
I MEAN, SO THAT SOMETHING, BECAUSE I'M SURE THERE ARE GUIDELINES, I'M SURE THERE ARE.
IS THERE SOMETHING THAT, SO, AND, AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE, THE EXTENT OF INFORMATION BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH INDIVIDUALLY.
ULTIMATELY, WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW IS WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION DOES THE TOWNSHIP HAVE? BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO SOMEPLACE, RIGHT?
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SO AT LEAST TO KNOW, AND AT LEAST IF WE KNOW THAT THERE'S GUIDELINES THAT THE TOWNSHIP SAYS, WELL, THESE ARE THE GUIDELINES, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR THE FACT THAT I'M, I'M COMING UP HERE, I UNDERSTAND THAT NOW.YOU GUYS HAVE GIVEN ME AT LEAST THOROUGH INFORMATION AND I APPRECIATE AS WELL FROM THE LAWYER.
BUT IT'S A LITTLE CONCERNING THAT WE KIND OF, GRANTED IT'S A SITUATION'S KIND OF A RARE SITUATION WHO BUILDS UP AGAINST THE CEMETERY, IT'S BOUND TO HAPPEN.
IT'S A LITTLE CONCERNING THAT THIS ISN'T UNDERSTOOD.
AT LEAST KIND OF THE PARAMETERS AREN'T KIND OF KNOWN UPFRONT.
WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE HERE, WE JUST NOT SURE WHAT THEY ARE.
SO MAYBE JUST IN HINDSIGHT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOMEWHERE THAT EVEN SOMEONE LIKE MYSELF DOESN'T HAVE TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS.
YOU KNOW? AND THAT'S NOTHING AGAINST ANY OF YOU.
I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE'RE LEARNING BECAUSE DEVELOPMENT IS EVOLVING AND THERE'S THINGS THAT WE NEVER CAME UP AGAINST BEFORE.
UM, BUT TO THE DEVELOPER, I HOPE THAT YOU PLAN TO BE RESPECTFUL, UM, AND KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH THEIR DECEDENTS ARE GONNA BE LOOKING AT.
DO YOU GUYS WANNA ADDRESS THAT AT ALL? YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU CAN ADDRESS IT IF YOU WANT TO OR MOVE ON.
UH, THE ONLY THING I'D SAY IS THAT, HI GARY, COME ON.
THE ONLY THING I I WANTED TO SAY WAS THE, UH, THE STATE DOES REQUIRE A PRE-BLAST SURVEY FOR STRUCTURES WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF WHEREVER YOU'RE GONNA BLAST.
SO, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE AREA TO BE BLASTED WOULD BE THE BASIN AREA.
UH, AND SO IF THERE'S A STRUCTURE WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF THAT, UH, A PRE GLASS SURVEY, UH, WOULD BE, UH, REQUIRED.
IS THE CEMETERY PART OF THAT PROCESS? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE LAW ON WHETHER A CEMETERY FALLS UNDER THAT, UNDER THAT CATEGORY.
IT'S TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, A HOUSE.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD FIND OUT AND SHARE WITH ALL OF US? YEAH, WE COULD, WE CAN LOOK AT THE RESEARCH.
YEAH, I'D APPRECIATE THAT YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, FIND THAT OUT AND SAY THAT YES, THESE ARE ALL THE PARAMETERS AROUND THAT THOUSAND FEET AND LET JEFF KNOW SURE.
SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION.
IT'S A PROPERTY DIRECTLY NORTH OF THIS PROPOSED AREA.
UM, THE LINE FROM THAT SATELLITE VIEW ACTUALLY GOES THROUGH MY DRIVEWAY.
UM, SO I'M GONNA BE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO ALL THIS ACTIVITY.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A PROJECT IN MOTION, IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
UM, THIS IS YOU, THIS IS THE NEW THAT'S YOU 300, CORRECT? CORRECT.
UM, I'M JUST ASKING FOR LIKE, RESPECT AND TRANSPARENCY.
UM, I'M GONNA GET IN CONTACT WITH YOU GUYS AND WE CAN MAINTAIN COMMUNICATION THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
I WOULD, UH, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, AND ALSO WE DISCUSSED EARLIER THE INTERSECTION OF GLOVER'S LANE AND COLLEGEVILLE ROAD THAT IS CURRENTLY A HORRENDOUS INTERSECTION, UH, THAT, THAT MUST BE ADDRESSED.
UM, IF YOU GUYS, IF IF THE DEVELOPER IS TOUCHING THIS AREA, UH, THAT IS A, A PARAMOUNT CONCERN THAT THAT MUST BE MADE SAFER.
THERE'S CURRENTLY, UH, LAND BERMS THAT BLOCK THE SITE LINES IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.
IF YOU'RE PULLING OUT OF LOVER'S LANE ONTO TO COLLEGE RAILROAD, UM, IT'S VERY, VERY, UH, VERY DANGEROUS.
I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, UH, UTILITIES.
I, I NOTICED THAT UTILITY PLANTS SHOW, UH, WATER AND SEWAGE COMING THROUGH THIS NEW AREA.
AND WILL I BE REQUIRED TO TAP INTO THAT AS A, AS A PROPERTY DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO IT? UH, IT CURRENTLY DOES NOT REQUIRE YOU TO TAP INTO, UM, SEWER WHEN IT'S INSTALLED, OR, AND PENNSYLVANIA AMERICAN WATERS IN CONTROL OF THE WATER.
I CAN'T, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM.
I DON'T THINK THEY REQUIRE IT.
BUT IF THAT, IF THAT AREA IS SUPERED, YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED THE BOARD AT THIS TIME, THEIR POLICY DOES NOT REQUIRE ANYBODY TO, TO TAP IN.
UM, YEAH, I JUST WANT TO ECHO THE SENTIMENTS EARLIER OF, I, UH, I HAVE, WELL, I, UH, SOURCE MY WATER FROM A GROUND WATER SOURCE AND, UH, YEAH.
IS THERE, IS THERE SANITATION STUDIES TO BE DONE? IF I KNOW THAT DECEASED
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REMAINS ARE CURRENTLY IN THE SOIL, UM, I KNOW THAT'S KIND OF SUPERFLUOUS, BUT I DON'T WANNA BE DRINKING BONE DUSTNO, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S DOING.
AS I'VE RECOMMENDED TO OTHER PEOPLE, I RECOMMEND YOU GET A WATER QUALITY TEST BEFORE DEVELOPMENT STARTS.
SO YOU HAVE A BASELINE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ARE, AND THEN A AND A WATER QUALITY TEST AFTER THE FACT, UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ARE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DOES FOR YOU LEGALLY.
BUT IN MY MIND, THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO APPROACH THIS.
HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU HAD A WATER QUALITY TEST? I HAVE NOT BONES NOW OR UP, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ENTAILS.
I JUST KNOW THAT THAT'S OUT THERE AND I, I RECOMMEND IT TO OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE DEVELOPMENT AND WELL, CONCERN TEST.
DO THEY TEST FOR THAT? I DON'T KNOW.
UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE SCHOOL BUSES THAT GO UP AND DOWN THIS ROAD.
THERE'S ABOUT TWO, THREE SCHOOL BUSES A DAY.
I HOPE THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN THAT, UH, MAINTAIN THAT PROVISION THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.
UM, THERE'S KIDS WAITING ON THE, SO THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS.
SO THERE ARE KIDS WAITING AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAYS AND, UH, IT'S NOT REALLY A CONCERN OF THE RESIDENTS, BUT IT IS GONNA BE INCREASING TRAFFIC UP AND DOWN CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES.
I JUST, I WANT TO, I WANT TO REITERATE, UM, WHEN WE START DEVELOPING THIS AREA, I'M, I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S A, ABOUT A 50 FOOT DIFFERENCE IN ELEVATION FROM COLLEGEVILLE ROAD UP TO LOVER'S LANE.
WHAT ARE THE, UH, WHAT ARE THE PRIVACY PROVISIONS BEING TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT FOR THE HOUSES BEING BUILT? AS I SEE IT, UH, THE HOMES ARE BEING BUILT IN THE SAN FRANCISCO STYLE STACKING, AND IT ALMOST ALIGNS THE SECOND FLOOR OF ONE HOME WITH THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE NEXT HOME.
UH, IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY PRIVACY SHIELDING FENCING, TREES BEING INSTALLED BETWEEN THE HOUSES AND, UH, IF SO, I'D, I'D BE INTERESTED IN EXTENDING THAT TO THAT, UH, TO OUTSIDE THAT THREE-WAY.
ALL STUFF THAT WILL BE IN MY FRONT YARD.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT, UH, GOOGLE MAP? YEAH.
YEAH, IT'S A SHOE DOG CHEVY THERE.
WHERE'S THAT CAR NOW? IS THAT ALL PICTURE NOW OR IS THAT JUST, UH, SOMETHING YOU UH, NO, I JUST, IT'S IT'S STREET VIEW.
ANYTHING ELSE, SIR? UM, I WANTED TO PUT, I WANTED TO PUT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR HIM.
UH, AGAIN, I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR ANYTHING.
I'M JUST EXPLAINING WHAT WE HAVE AND WHAT IS IN THE BUFFER IN THE PLAN.
SO THERE'S NOTHING BETWEEN THE HOUSES, BUT THAT'S UP TO THE DEVELOPER.
THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT BUFFER IF YOU LOOK UP THERE, ALL OF THOSE ROUND DOTS ARE TREES AND BUSHES OF SOME SORT.
I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO WHAT THEY ARE.
WE CAN LOOK AT THE CHART IF YOU WANT TO, BUT, GOTCHA.
AGAIN, THERE IS BUFFERING REQUIRED THROUGH THERE, BUT YOU, DO, YOU DO UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR LIFE'S GONNA CHANGE? I DO.
UH, I, I FEEL BAD FOR THE, THE SAPS THAT ARE PAYING 1.2 TO LOOK INTO THEIR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE, BUT I COULD BE, I THINK WE WOULD ALSO, IT'S TRUE, PROBABLY THIS IS SOMETHING WOULD COME POST-APPROVAL.
ANY CONSTRUCTION, UM, VEHICLES WOULD ENTER OFF OF 29.
THEY WOULD NOT BE COMING ONTO LOVER'S LANE.
SO
THEY'RE GONNA COME IN, THEY WOULD COME IN.
NOW GRANTED, WHEN THEY FIRST GET THERE, THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE LOVER'S LANE ACCESS BECAUSE, JUST TO GET IT OFF.
BUT GENERALLY DURING CONSTRUCTION, THEY'RE GOING TO BE ACCESSING OFF OF WHATEVER A MANDOLINE GETS NAMED.
IS THERE AN ANTICIPATED BUILD SCHEDULE? UM, NOT REALLY A START DATE, BUT A DURATION? IS THERE A PHASING OR ARE ALL THESE GOING UP SIMULTANEOUSLY? WE, THAT QUESTION, THEY ANSWER IT, IT WAS PROBABLY A TWO YEAR PROJECT FROM SOUP TO NUTS.
AND WE WOULD LOOK TO START THIS YEAR.
YEAH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY RIGHT NOW.
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UH, GOOD EVENING.I JUST WANNA SAY, UH, THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE.
UM, I AM MARRIED TO RYAN HOLLERIN.
UM, THIS HOUSE IS A LARGE PART OF OUR STORY.
UM, JUST A LITTLE BACKSTORY, I WORKED IN WASHINGTON DC FOR EIGHT YEARS, UH, FOR ABOUT 2017 TO LAST YEAR.
I LOST MY JOB, UM, AS A RESULT OF THE TRANSITION.
UH, I'LL SAY THAT ADMINISTRATION, UH, LAST YEAR.
WHAT'S THAT YOU WERE DOING? I WAS, YES.
UM, AND I'LL, I'LL JUST KEEP IT THERE.
UM, I'LL SAY THAT RYAN AND I, OUR RELATIONSHIP BLOSSOMED SINCE HE BECAME MY FULL-TIME JOB.
AT THAT POINT, IT, IT FELT LIKE, UM, IN, IN THE SENSE THAT WE GOT TO KNOW EACH OTHER REALLY WELL.
UM, AND ONE THING WE HEAVILY BONDED OVER IS OUR LOVE OF NATURE.
AND WASHINGTON DC AND SURROUNDING AREAS OBVIOUSLY IS A VERY BEAUTIFUL PLACE, BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE HOW STRESSED I HAD BECOME IN EIGHT YEARS, AND IT WAS BECAUSE OF WHAT THE PEOPLE I WAS SURROUNDED WITH, THE TOXICITY.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I NEEDED TO BE IN NATURE SOMEWHERE.
UM, FOR THOSE THAT KNOW THE STORY OF HOW RYAN FOUND THIS HOUSE, IT IS QUITE MIRACULOUS.
HE WAS RUNNING DOWN THE ROAD LOVER'S LANE A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO, AND THE ZO WHO OWNED THE HO THAT THE HOME, UM, WHO WE BOUGHT THE HOME FROM, THEIR DOG HAD RUN OUT INTO THE STREET AND WENT AFTER RYAN.
AND RYAN TOOK THE DOG BACK TO THE OWNER AND STRUCK UP A FRIENDSHIP WITH THE ZO.
UM, UM, AND THAT'S HOW WE FOUND THIS HOUSE.
IT WAS VERY SERENDIPITOUS IN A WAY THAT FELT TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE.
UM, AND TO ME, I, I REALIZE THIS IS A REALLY PERSONAL THING, BUT THIS, IN RETELLING THIS STORY TO OTHER PEOPLE, THEY'VE SAID, WOW, THAT'S, THAT'S INCREDIBLE THAT YOU WERE, YOU FOUND THIS HOUSE SO QUICKLY AND THAT EVERYTHING WORKED OUT.
I, I KNOW THAT NATURE IS HEALING.
UM, AS SOMEONE WHO, WHO HAS BEEN IN A VERY, UH, WHAT I WOULD CALL TOXIC AND STRESSFUL ENVIRONMENT.
UM, AND I CAN SAY THAT HAVING, HAVING SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD, WOULD NOT BE OF A BENEFIT.
UM, I CAN UNDERSTAND, UH, THE REASON FOR, FOR WANTING TO DO THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR, OBVIOUSLY FOR CAPITAL GAIN.
BUT, UH, RYAN AND I ARE, ARE UNIQUE TO LOVER'S LANE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IN THAT WE ARE ON THE YOUNGER END.
AND THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE, WE INTENDED OR A PLAN FOR US, FOR OURSELVES.
OBVIOUSLY THIS, THIS DECISION HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE.
UM, BUT I WOULD JUST AS FROM A MORE EMOTIONAL AND PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE AND NARRATIVE, I, I WANT TO SAY THAT, UM, WE KNOW THIS WOULD, WE THINK THIS WOULD OBVIOUSLY CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND IT WOULD BE A GREAT, UM, DISAPPOINTMENT TO US.
BUT I, I ALSO WANT TO REITERATE, AS SOMEONE THAT WORKS FOR CHESTER COUNTY AND PUBLIC SERVICE, I WANNA THANK ALL OF YOU FOR BEING HERE AND GIVING OF YOUR TIME TO LISTEN TO US.
AND, BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE IT ALL STARTS.
SO I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT.
WELL, WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT CHANGE IS DIFFICULT AND, UH, BUT YOU ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY.
WE HAVE A RIGHT TO QUESTION IT MM-HMM
AND WE TRY TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE ZACH HAS EXPLAINED THAT EVERYTHING IS DONE CORRECTLY MM-HMM
AND THAT THERE IS NO IMPEDIMENTS ON YOU FOLKS.
BUT I, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID TO YOUR HUSBAND, RYAN, I THINK YOUR LIFE'S GONNA CHANGE.
SO, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE THIS LEMME BACK UP, UM, IN THE LARGE, THE BASE IN MOSTLY, YEAH.
I HAVE LOTS AND LOTS OF QUESTIONS.
I'LL FIND IT, I'LL PUT IT BACK UP IN A SECOND.
WHERE, WHERE, WHERE ARE YOU? OH, I'M SORRY.
I'M, I'M AT, I'M AT 1 93 SPARES LANE.
MY PROPERTY, LITERALLY, MY FRONT DOOR LOOKS OUT AT THEIR PROPERTY.
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YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT FOR THE BLASTING, UM, THAT, UM, FOR THE BLAST SURVEY, ANYBODY WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET HAS TO BE NOTIFIED.DOES THAT INCLUDE ANY RESIDENCES THAT ARE IN THAT AREA? IF, IF YOUR HOUSE WAS, IS WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF WHERE WE WOULD BLAST, UH, THEN YOU WOULD GET A NOTIFICATION.
UM, THEN I'LL BE EXPECTING ONE SHOWS UP, LIKE I SAID, UM, AT THE VERY, VERY LAST HOUSE ON, ON SPARES LOAN.
UM, I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU FOLKS.
UH, AS FAR AS NOISE, WHAT ARE THE DECIBEL LEVEL LIMITS THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THE TOWNSHIP? OUR NOISE ORDINANCE DOES NOT HAVE ANY, EXCUSE ME, ANY DECIBEL LIMITS IN IT.
IT WAS WRITTEN, I WOULD SAY 1950 PROBABLY WHEN THE REST OF THE ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED.
UM, WE DO HAVE A LIMITATION ON HOURS THAT THEY CAN WORK.
THERE'S NO TRUCK IDLING, UM, BEFORE SIX O'CLOCK.
UM, I THINK THEY CAN'T GO PAST 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
MOST DEVELOPERS AREN'T DOING THAT.
THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE USUALLY SEVEN TO FIVE.
UM, YOU'RE GONNA HEAR MOST OF THE NOISE IN THE VERY BEGINNING WHEN THEY'RE MOVING EARTH.
AND WHAT SAY, YOU MIGHT HEAR THAT, UM, I'M JUST TELLING YOU BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THROUGH A LOT OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS FROM BEGINNING TO END.
SO YOU'LL HEAR MORE NOISE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING WHEN THEY'RE MOVING EARTH AND MOVING TRACTORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THE HAMMERING FOR WHEN THEY'RE BUILDING THE HOUSE MIGHT GET A LITTLE INCESSANT, BUT GENERALLY THAT'S NOT AS, UM, I, IT DOESN'T, FROM MY EXPERIENCE, IT DOESN'T GENERATE AS MUCH NOISE OR AS COMPLAINTS FROM PEOPLE.
UM, THE NOISE ORDINANCE, UM, DOESN'T HAVE A LIMIT.
IT DOESN'T SAY WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE, A CERTAIN DECIBEL.
IT JUST SAYS NO MACHINE NOISE, NO REPETITIVE MACHINE NOISE CAN START BEFORE SIX O'CLOCK AND CAN'T GO PAST 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
SO THEY COULD BE RUNNING BACKHOES AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT WHEN PEOPLE WOULD GONE TO SLEEP? THEY COULD, BUT MOST OF THE TIME, AND I KNOW MOST PEOPLE DON'T THINK THIS DEVELOPERS ARE GENERALLY GOOD NEIGHBORS AND AREN'T WORKING THOSE AT LATE HOURS.
SO THE OVERTIME PILLOW, WELL,
I'M SPEAKING MY EXPERIENCE DEVELOPERS IN THIS TOWNSHIP.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT SOME THINGS DON'T HAPPEN LATER AT NIGHT AND, YOU KNOW MM-HMM
IF THEY GET BEHIND SCHEDULE, THEY GET SOME RAINS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY MIGHT WORK A LITTLE OFF HOURS.
BUT GENERALLY IT'S A SEVEN TO SEVEN.
SEVEN TO SIX KIND OF EXISTENCE.
UM, FOR THE BLASTING, UM, WHAT DEPARTMENT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ANSWER THIS ONE.
WHAT IS THE, UM, DEPARTMENT THAT THE, UM, THAT THE LICENSE AND EVERYTHING HAS TO GO THROUGH? I REALLY WISH I REMEMBERED.
UM, WHAT I CAN DO IS I CAN ASK TOM DIMMER LANE, THE, THE FIRE CHIEF, FIRE MARSHAL.
UM, I COULD ASK HIM TOMORROW WHO THAT IS AND I CAN EMAIL THE MAL.
ARE YOU ON A NORMAL CHAIN WITH THE MALICK OR ARE YOU I CAN LET HER KNOW.
YEAH, BECAUSE SHE LIVES IN, SHE RUNS FROM YOU.
UM, YES, I CAN LET THE MALICK KNOW WHAT DEPARTMENT THAT IS AND THEY CAN LET YOU KNOW.
UNLESS I, I WANTED TO SEE THESE JUDGE, I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEM.
I WOULD ASSUME YOU WOULD KNOW.
I THINK IT'S THE DEPARTMENT OF MINE DEPARTMENT, THE, THE PENNSYLVANIA, UH, DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION BUREAU FINDING.
SO IF I WENT TO THE WEBSITE, I COULD FIND, IS THERE ANYBODY SPECIFIC THAT YOU NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY SPECIFIC TO ASK FOR.
I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS TOO ABOUT THE BLASTING.
UM, ARE YOU GOING TO BE USING MATS OR ARE YOU JUST GONNA LET THE ROCKS FLY WHEN THEY MAY NOT DETERMINED YET? TYPICALLY, TYPICALLY WHEN YOU BLAST YOU, YOU EITHER HAVE TO USE A MAT OR YOU DON'T TAKE, UH, ALL THE, THE, THE SOIL OFF AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE DRILLING DOWN FURTHER.
SO IT REALLY DEPENDS WHAT HAPPENS ON THE PARTICULAR DAY.
AND WHEN WILL THIS BE DECIDED AS WE GET INTO CONSTRUCTION? SO, SO WE'LL GO OUT THERE AND WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL START TO EXCAVATE AND FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHERE THE ROCK IS.
AND THEN ONCE WE KNOW WHERE THE, HOW MUCH ROCK WE HAVE, THEN WE'LL COME UP WITH A PLAN.
WELL, I CAN TELL YOU THE WHOLE THING IS ROCK FAIR? I CAN TELL YOU THAT FOR A FACT.
'CAUSE I, ON A, WELL, UH, NOT ONLY WITH BLASTING, I GREW UP NEAR MACQUARIE.
I AM EXTREMELY FAMILIAR WITH THE EFFECTS THAT LASTING HAS ON GROUNDWATER, ON WELLS, ON FOUNDATIONS, ON WINDOWS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
UM, WHAT PROTECTIONS ARE YOU GONNA TAKE TO, TO, TO TAKE, TO PROTECT THE GROUNDWATER AND WHAT, HOW DO YOU PROTECT THE, UH, THE WELLS THAT ARE IN THE AREA SO THAT THEY'RE NOT
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AFFECTED BY THE BLASTING? I CAN'T, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT.THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT A CONTRACTOR, UH, THAT, UH, IS AN EXPERT IN BLASTING WOULD TAKE CARE OF.
UM, MAYBE THESE QUESTIONS FOR YOU, WHEN THE BLASTING DOES OCCUR AND WHEN THE DAMAGES DO OCCUR, WHICH I GUARANTEE YOU THEY WILL, UM, DO WE COME TO, ARE YOU GUYS RESPONSIBLE FOR CONTACTING THEM? DO WE CONTACT THE CONTRACTOR DIRECTLY AGAIN, WITH OUR CLAIM IS HANDLED BY THE STATE? ANY, ANY COMMUNICATION WOULD GO THROUGH THEM.
UM, ALSO, I DON'T KNOW IF, I THINK YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY WELL AWARE, UM, THAT ABOUT 50 FEET FROM WHERE THE, THAT DRAINAGE WALL IS, YOU HAVE TWO SETS OF HIGH POWER LINES COMING FROM LIMERICK.
UM, HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION TO WHAT THE BLASTING WILL DO TO THOSE HIGH TENSION LINES? I, AGAIN, WE, WE'VE NOT, I REALLY IDENTIFIED EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE GONNA BLAST.
WE HAVEN'T EVEN SELECTED A BLASTING CONTRACTOR YET.
UH, SO ALL OF THAT WOULD HAPPEN POST-APPROVAL.
UM, WOULD THE BLASTING HAPPEN ANYWHERE ELSE BESIDES THE RETENTION POND? UM, I DON'T BELIEVE SO THAT THE, UH, LOTS YOU SEE ONE THROUGH FOUR ARE ACTUALLY IN A FILL CONDITION.
UM, AND MOST OF THE OTHER, UH, LOTS ARE, SHOULD BE, UH, ABLE TO BE EXCAVATED WITHOUT GETTING ROBBED.
SO THE ONLY PLAN TO, FOR BLASTING AT THIS POINT IS FOR THE RETENTION.
AND I'M SORRY, DID I HEAR THE DEPTH RIGHT? IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE 16, 16 TO 18 FEET, THE WALL, UH, IN, IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS? THAT'S CORRECT.
IF YOU COULD SHOW ME WHERE IT WOULD BE 18 FEET HIGH UP ON THE UPHILL SIDE.
SO THE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE AN 18 FOOT WALL IN THEIR BACKYARD? THAT, THAT IS CORRECT.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE, THE BLASTING MOST LIKELY WOULD, WOULD OCCUR? THE MOST WOULD BE WHERE WE'RE CUTTING THE DEEPEST INTO THE HILL.
ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS, UM, HOW APPROXIMATELY, HOW TALL IS THAT RETAINING WALL? THAT IT'S ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
YOU WANT ME TO, THE, THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS, IS APPROXIMATELY LIKE, I THINK IT'S 18 INCHES TO TWO FEET.
UM, AND IT'S TO PROVIDE A LEVEL AREA NO, TO THE, TO THE LEFT LEVEL SPREADER.
SO THAT IS TWO FEET HIGH, AND THE RIGHT HAND SIDE'S GONNA BE 18 FEET HIGH.
IS IT, WHAT'S THIS? TWO 40? THIS 12, OR SORRY.
SO DO YOU KNOW WHAT 40 INCHES OF? NO, THE ELEVATION.
TWO 40 ARE YOU, YOU, THERE'S THE LEVEL SPREADER, WHICH IS STORMS. THE DISCHARGE OF THE STORM, THERE'S A SMALL WALL THERE, AND THEN THERE ARE TWO WALLS IN THE BASIN.
SO, SO THIS IS TWO FEET HIGH, CORRECT? MM-HMM
SO THERE'S A 16 FOOT DIFFERENCE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO PICTURE IN MY HEAD.
TWO FEET HERE AND THEN IT IT BACK THERE.
IT IT'S GONNA BE HIGHER THAN THAT.
YOU, YOU SEE, YOU SEE THIS ELEVATION'S AT 2 34 AND HERE YOU'RE 2 68.
SO YOU'RE 34 FEET HIGHER, RIGHT.
SO THIS LOCATION, YOU'RE 34 FEET HIGHER.
AFTER THE HOUSES ARE BUILT, UM, WHAT ARE THE, UM, HO A'S RESPONSIBILITIES AND LIABILITIES, ARE THEY RESPONSIBLE TO MAINTAIN ALL THOSE WALLS, ALL THEIR ATTENTION POND? YES.
WELL, THAT, AND THEY WILL HAVE, THERE'S A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, UH, DECLARATION THAT'S BEEN DRAFTED, BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE TOWNSHIP FOR THEIR REVIEW.
UH, THAT INCLUDES THE MAINTENANCE AND, UH, ONGOING RESPONSIBILITIES FOR THE BASIN, THE LEVEL SPREADER, ALL OF THE STORM PIPE AND RETAINABLE.
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OKAY.UM, AND THEY WOULD, I GUESS I NEED TO ASK YOU THAT THEY WOULD HAVE A NEED TO HAVE SUFFICIENT, UM, MONETARY WITH ANY DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY HAVE TO PUT UP A BOND, A LETTER OF CREDIT THAT GUARANTEES THAT ANY IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ON THE PLAN, ANY PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ON THE PLAN ARE BONDED SO THAT IF THEY DISAPPEAR, WE, THE TOWNSHIP HAS THE RIGHT TO GO AND COLLECT THE BOND TO FINISH THE IMPROVEMENTS AS NEEDED.
WHETHER THERE'S ANY IMPROVEMENTS OR THE, THAT INCLUDES REPAIRS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
THERE IS, YOU KNOW, THE REPAIRS ARE GONNA BE ON THE HOA.
THE HOA WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY REPAIRS IN THE FUTURE.
BUT DURING CONSTRUCTION, AFTER THIS PROCESS IS DONE, IF THEY GET THEIR APPROVALS, JEN'S OFFICE GOES THROUGH THE COST OF ALL OF THE, OF ALL OF THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS AND ALL OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THERE, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE RETAINING WALLS.
WOULD INCLUDE THE RETAINING WALLS, CONSTRUCTION OF THE BASINS, THE SIDEWALKS, THE DECELERATION LANE, THE ROAD, ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS.
THE DEVELOPER PUTS UP A LETTER OF CREDIT OR BOND OR CASH.
AND IN THIS INSTANCE, IT'S RARELY EVER CASH 'CAUSE IT'S A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS.
THEY WOULD PUT UP A LETTER OF CREDIT WITH A BANK THAT WHEN THEY FINISH THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, WE WOULD INSPECT THEM AND THEY CAN DRAW DOWN OFF OF THAT LETTER.
AND WE WOULD AGREE THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE CONSTRUCTED AS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE, AND THEY'RE FUNCTIONING AS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO.
THAT'S PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
IF FOR SOME REASON THEY GO AWAY DURING THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS OR DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS, THE TOWNSHIP HAS THE RIGHT TO GO IN AND COLLECT OFF OF THAT LETTER OF CREDIT OFF OF THAT BOND TO FINISH THE PROJECT AS NEEDED.
MY QUESTION WAS MORE FOR, UM, MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS IN THE FEE.
THE, THE, THE, THAT THE HOA IS LIQUID ENOUGH AND HAS ENOUGH RESOURCES THAT THEY'RE NOT CHARGING PEOPLE A HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH.
AND THE MAIN AND THE MAINTENANCE IS 3000 A MONTH IS NOT GONNA, THE MATH AIN'T NOT.
YES, WE DID PROVIDE A, A BUDGET WITH OUR, UH, HOA DECLARATION MM-HMM
UM, THAT WOULD INCLUDE, UH, THE LONG TERM, UH, MAINTENANCE OF THE WALLS.
AND IT'S, UH, THE BUDGET IS 2 25 PER MONTH PER HOUSEHOLD.
BUT THEN I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE THEIR LIQUIDITY, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE RIGHT WORD.
THAT THEY WOULD BE FINANCIALLY ABLE TO THE HOA MAINTAIN THINGS AND DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.
I GUESS THE EASIEST WAY TO PUT THAT IS THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHETHER THEY HAVE THE MONEY OR NOT.
THEY HAVE TO BE BILLED TO GET IT IF THEY NEED TO.
WHETHER IT MEANS PUTTING LEADS ON THEIR HOUSES OR WHATEVER IT HAS TO BE, THAT'S WHATEVER'S IN THE AGREEMENT, WHATEVER THAT HAS.
ZACH'S LOOKING AT, AND THE HOA DOES HAVE THE RIGHT TO LIEN.
SO THE HOA WOULD'VE THE RIGHT TO LIEN PROPERTY OWNERS IF THEY WERE NOT PAYING FOR, WELL, WELL NOT, BUT IF, IF THE HOA ONLY HAD A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND SOMETHING COST 250,000 TO FIX, THEN THE HOMEOWNERS HAVE NO CHOICE.
AND I'M SORRY, I, I THINK YOU SAID THE, THE RETENTION POND.
HOW DEEP IS THE POND GOING TO BE? LIKE, I KNOW THAT THERE'S, THERE'S THE WALL ON THE LEFT.
YOU SAID IT'S TWO AND A HALF FEET HIGH.
HOW FAR DOWN ARE YOU GOING? UH, IT LOOKS TO BE ABOUT SIX FEET.
A 2 28 CONTOUR AND THEN A 2 34 CONTOUR.
SO THE POND ITSELF WILL BE ABOUT SIX FEET DEEP WHEN IT'S FULL FOUR FEET, IT'LL BE FOUR FEET DEEP WHEN IT'S FULL.
AND WILL THERE BE A, YOU TALKED ABOUT FENCING ON THE, THE GREAT BIG MONSTROSITY OF A WALL.
WILL THERE BE A FENCE ON TOP OF THAT ALSO? WILL, WILL THAT RETENTION POND BE COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY FENCED IN? YES, MA'AM.
SO THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE THING WILL BE FENCED.
AND YOU SAID IT WAS A FOUR FOOT HIGH FENCE? YEAH, POST RAIL, SPLIT RAIL THREE RAILS WITH WIREMAN.
THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION BECAUSE I HAVE GRANDKIDS RUNNING AROUND AND SPLIT RAIL FENCE IS NOT GONNA KEEP THE RAIL
AND YOU SAID THAT THE BLASTING PERMITS ARE FORTHCOMING AND I WILL GET THE, THE, THE DEPARTMENT OF, UH, TRANSPORTATION AND THINGS THAT I NEED TO GET A HOLD OF FOR THAT.
WE'VE GONE OVER MOST OF THE THINGS ALREADY WITH THE CONCERNS.
YOU KNOW, MY BIG CONCERN IS THE BLASTING AFFECTING MY LEVEL.
UM, THE BLASTING ALSO AFFECTING MY, MY, THE HOUSE THAT I LIVE IN.
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MR. MALICK SAID, IT'S A STONE FOUNDATION.I DON'T REALLY LIKE THE HOUSE TO BE STANDING IN THE BLASTING GUN.
UM, I ALSO HAVE CONCERNS WITH THE HIGH TENSION LINES THAT RUN THROUGH.
UM, I ASSUME THAT YOU ALL, ARE YOU ALL AWARE OF THE LINES THAT RUN THROUGH THE PROPERTY? I MEAN, I, I'VE SEEN THEM ON THE MAP.
THE MAP WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO PUT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY WAY TO PULL GOOGLE MAP OR SHOW A LITTLE BIT OF THE YEAH, I SHOW HIGH TENSION LINES.
YOU KNOW, OVER HERE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT, THE HIGH ATTENTION LINES ARE HERE.
THIS IS THE PROPERTY, UM, THEY RUN IN THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO IT? YES.
THIS ONE HAS THE GREAT BIG METAL TOWERS, UH, COMES FROM LIMERICK.
AND THEN THIS IS WOODEN POLES THAT HAVE, I DON'T KNOW, SIX OR EIGHT LINES ON THEM.
MY, MY CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY IS RIGHT HERE.
HOW IS THE BLASTING IF IT AFFECTS THESE POWER LINES, IF A ROCK COMES AND HIT THE POWER LINES, IF THE POWER LINES, FOR SOME REASON THESE ARE VERY, VERY HIGH VOLTAGE LINES.
ONE OF THOSE LINES GETS KNOCKED DOWN AND I'M IN MY YARD.
DO WE KNOW HOW FAR THE ELECTRICAL FOLLOW THROUGH THE GROUND? WILL IT COME DOWN BECAUSE I AM, BECAUSE I'M RIGHT THERE AND I KNOW ELECTRICITY RUNS TO THE GROUND QUITE WELL.
ARE THERE ANY SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING IS HAPPENING TO THOSE EXTREMELY HIGH POWER LINES? OKAY.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, CONTRACT AT THIS POINT.
I DON'T THINK ANY OF US CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
I'M SURE THEY HAVE BLASTED AROUND POWER LINES IN THE PAST.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A PROCEDURE OR A PROCESS TO FOLLOW THAT WE ALL KNOW THE POWER COMPANIES HAVE A LOT OF AUTHORITY.
I'M SURE THEY'RE NOT GONNA LET ANYBODY SCREW WITH THEIR NOT RIGHT.
I, I AM IN TOUCH WITH SOMEBODY FROM, FROM PEOPLE THAT KNOW THE POWER LINES THAT I'M TRYING TO GET QUESTIONS FOR, ANSWERED FOR HIM ALSO, SO THAT HE KNOWS, UH, WHAT'S GOING ON.
'CAUSE THEY HAVE CONCERN WITH THAT.
BUT THEY ALSO HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS WITH THE FLOODING, THAT THERE'S A GOOD PROBABILITY THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
UM, THE FLOODING WILL WASH OUT THE GREAT BIG STEEL STRUCTURES IF THERE'S FLOODING THAT GOES ON.
AND I THINK THAT'S EVERYTHING.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LISTENING.
I THINK WE'LL GO, UH, I THINK THAT'S EVERYBODY, RIGHT? I THINK WE'RE GONNA STOP AT THIS POINT WITH, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT AND, UH, AND UH, WHAT, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO HERE, JEFF? IT IS, IT IS UP TO YOU.
YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD IF YOU SO CHOOSE.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPEN QUESTIONS FOR THEM OTHER THAN THEY HAVE TO CLEAN UP THIS LETTER.
UM, WE COULD ASK THEM TO COME BACK.
WE COULD MAKE A, YOU COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TODAY.
I MEAN, THEY'RE, I THINK THEY SAID THEY'RE WILLING TO COME BACK ON THE SECOND.
WELL, I'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT, ALLISON.
UM, AND TO, UH, I'M SORRY, I FORGET IT.
UM, PERSONALLY MYSELF, AND WE HAVEN'T VOTE ON THIS, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S WHAT WE DECIDE TO DO, UH, I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE BLASTING.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION ABOUT THE, AND THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERNS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU GUYS, GUYS COME BACK WITH A LITTLE BIT, NOT THAT YOU HAVE A CONTRACTOR PICK, BUT JUST A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION LIKE, IS THE CEMETERY COVERED UNDER THE THOUSAND FEET? IS THE, WELL THAT, YOU KNOW, I'D JUST LIKE TO HAVE MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL THAT BEFORE WE MAKE IT.
BEFORE I THINK THIS BOARD, MY OPINION, WE HAVE DECIDED THAT, THAT WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
WE HAVE A LOT MORE UNDERSTANDING OF THE BLASTING.
I'LL BE, I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD 12 YEARS.
I HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF BLASTING QUESTIONS COME UP.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU DO BOTH.
I MEAN, I DO DEAL WITH IT FROM TIME TO TIME, SO, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH INFO HERE TONIGHT.
WE DON'T EVEN, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN ZACH LOOKING UP ON WHO THE AUTHORITY IS.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.
AND I, I KNOW THAT'S WORK ON YOUR PART AND I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'S MY, MY THOUGHT.
SECONDLY, SECOND THOUGHT THAT I HAVE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, MY EXPERIENCE OF 12 YEARS, WELL, 10 YEARS ON THIS BOARD, IS THAT WHEN YOU TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS, THINGS SEEM TO GET WORKED OUT OUTSIDE THIS ROOM.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT MAYBE YOU HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS, CALL A MEETING, SAY, HEY, YOU'RE ALL INVITED
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TO COME.WE'LL SHOW YOU MORE INFORMATION, WE'LL GIVE YOU, ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, WHATEVER.
BUT AGAIN, MY EXPERIENCE SHOWS WHEN THE BUILDER, THE CONTRACTORS, THE THE DEVELOPER MEETS WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
THINGS SEEM TO GET WORKED OUT.
THEY SEEM TO OUTSIDE THIS ROOM.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT, BUT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT AND MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, CONVERSATION WOULD HELP THIS MOVE ON.
WHAT DO YOU GOT TO SAY? I AGREE WITH YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT.
UM, AND HERE'S YOUR CHANCE TO GET SOME NAMES AND PHONE NUMBERS, UM, TO ORCHESTRATE THAT IF YOU NEED TO.
YEAH, I, TOM, I AGREE WITH THE PART, UH, UH, BLASTING WAS THE CONCERN THAT I HEARD THE MOST.
AND THEN JUST SHARING A MORE INFORMATION TO ANSWER, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, WHAT ARE THE PARAMETERS? AND I THINK THERE COULD BE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION JUST TO KIND OF EASE PEOPLE'S BODIES.
AND AGAIN, THAT COULD BE OUTSIDE THIS ROOM, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, THESE GUYS COME BACK NEXT TIME YOU COME HERE AND THEY CAN SAY, HEY, WE'RE SATISFIED.
MAYBE ANSWER, ANSWER ALL OUR QUESTIONS.
UM, I, I MEAN, I DON'T NEED TO KNOW, YOU'RE NOT BLASTING IN MY BACKYARD, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK THESE FOLKS DESERVE A, A, A LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE THAT THEIR WELLS, THEIR CEMETERY, THEIR FOUNDATIONS, THEIR DRIVEWAYS ARE NOT GONNA BE EFFECTIVE.
AND I'M SURE I'M CONFIDENT THAT, YOU KNOW, A DEVELOPER, YOU GUYS HAVE WORKED WITH THIS BEFORE.
YOU PROBABLY HAVE THOSE ANSWERS SOMEWHERE IN YOUR COMPANY.
I JUST THINK WE NEED TO GET THEM OUT.
I MEAN, THERE ARE THE STATE REGULATIONS THAT APPLY.
SO I MEAN, THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN OUTLINE IN MORE DETAIL.
WHEREAS THE STATE LAW DOES EXIST.
AND I'VE CERTAINLY BEEN INVOLVED IN OTHER PROJECTS AND, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPERS GONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
SO, AND, AND I, I THINK IT WOULD BE, ONCE YOU FIND IT, YOU SAY IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN THIS ROOM.
IF YOU, ONCE YOU FIND AN INFORMATION, IF YOU WOULD CONTACT THE CONCERNED PEOPLE AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS THE REGULATIONS, THIS IS HOW IT WORKS.
THIS IS THE STATE, THIS IS THE COUNTY, WHOEVER THE AUTHORITY, AND I'M, I'M SURE THIS WOULD GO AWAY.
YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION AND I, AND I DO, UH, UNDERSTAND THE RESIDENT'S CONCERN AND, AND IT IS, IT IS A GREAT CONCERN.
UM, SO I MEAN, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, GETTING THAT RESOLVED WOULD, WOULD HELP, UM, ELIMINATE THE MAJOR QUESTION.
IT APPEARS TO STILL BE ON THE TABLE, UH, FOR GIVING, UH, FINAL APPROVAL RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD.
I THINK IF WE DID RECOMMEND THIS TO GO TO THE BOARD, THEY WOULD HAVE THESE QUESTIONS.
YOU KNOW, I JUST KNOW THAT BOARD WELL ENOUGH, THOSE FOLKS ON THAT BOARD THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO NOT ASK THESE SAME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ROSTER AND, UH, SHAME ON US THAT WE DON'T HAVE THOSE ANSWERS AGAINST.
WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND, AND ALL THOSE ANSWERS AREN'T GONNA BE FORTHCOMING UNTIL THEY ACTUALLY START DIGGING AND TESTING MORE TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT AND HOW BIG AND WHERE, YOU KNOW.
WE CAN ANSWER THINGS GENERALLY.
WE CAN GIVE YOU THE, YOU KNOW, THE PARAMETERS OF WHAT THE LAW SAYS, BUT I, BUT YOU'RE EXACTLY CORRECT AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
IF THEY SAY, HEY, A THOUSAND FEETS OUR REQUIREMENT, WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE JEFF'S SUGGESTION THAT HE TOLD TO TAKE PICTURES OF YOUR HOUSE, YOUR WILLS, YOUR, ALL THAT STUFF.
I THINK THIS COULD GO AWAY IF WE JUST MAYBE TALKED A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IT.
I MEAN, WE CERTAINLY CAN SUPPLY THE INFORMATION, WHETHER IN A PUBLIC FORUM OR THROUGH JEFF IF HE HAS AN EMAIL CHAIN OR WHAT WE, WHATEVER YOU CERTAINLY DISSEMINATED IT MAKES, WORKS FOR YOU.
AND WITHOUT HAVING TO HIRE SOMEBODY JUST TO DO THAT, I DON'T THINK, I'M SURE YOUR COMPANY HAS SOME, SOMEBODY HAS SOME, I MEAN, I, I MEAN I HAD TO SUPPLY THE INFORMATION FOR OTHER PROJECTS, SO I'M SURE IT'S OUT THERE AND SOMEBODY ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, UH, I GUESS, AM I HEARING, IF I'M HEARING CORRECTLY, I GUESS JEFF, WE'RE GONNA MAKE NO RECOMMENDATION.
ARE YOU GOING TO TABLE IT OR YOU'RE JUST NOT? WE'RE GONNA TABLE IT.
WE'RE NOT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION.
ASK THEM TO COME BACK WITH, OKAY.
TAKE MORE INFORMATION ON THE BLASTING, MAYBE HOLD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBOR.
ABOUT WHAT THE PLAN, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THE RAINWATER IS A BIG ISSUE TOO.
I HAVE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN JEN THAT THAT'S, THAT YOU GUYS GOT THAT WORKED OUT.
BUT YOU KNOW, JUST TELL 'EM THESE FOLKS AND SHOWING THEM HOW IT WORKS, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE ALL EXPERTS, I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL
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TO MOVE IN THIS ROOM.I MEAN, IN TERMS OF THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, WE DID RECEIVE, UM, ZONING, HEARING BOARD RELIEF ORIGINALLY.
AND SO THERE ARE SEVERAL CONDITIONS IN THERE THAT ADDRESS THAT AS WELL, THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY BE INCORPORATED INTO EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING.
AND I, I JUST, JUST TELLING THESE FOLKS THAT HEY, WE'VE ADDRESSED IT CONFIDENT THAT THIS IS GOING TO WORK AND, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON.
SO I GUESS WE WILL SEE YOU AGAIN IN A COUPLE, TWO WEEKS.
TWO WEEKS I GUESS THAT IS, CAN YOU DO THIS IN TWO, CAN YOU COME BACK WITH THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION AND OPEN ON THE BLAST THING? I CAN PROBABLY TELL YOU SOME OF THE INFORMATION YOU'RE LOOKING FOR RIGHT NOW AFTER DOING THE QUICK SEARCH ONLINE.
YEAH, I MEAN THIS IS, THERE, THERE ARE STATE REGULATIONS IN PLACE, RIGHT? THERE'S STRICT LIABILITY APPLIED TO SPECIFIC OPERATORS AND CONTRACTORS AND THEY GET A LICENSE.
WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO ABILITY.
TO, TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH EVERYBODY, WITH JEFF AND JEFF, WE, WE PREEMPTED BY THE STATE, WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL OVER BLASTING REGULATION.
THEN WE CAN FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE'VE ADDRESS IT.
AND THERE ARE SPECIALIZED CONTRACTORS THAT, THAT DO.
AND THOSE SPECIALIZED CONTRACTORS KNOW THE FREQUENCY AND VIBRATIONS AND ALL THAT.
THERE ARE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS ALONG UTILITY LINES.
ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE, AND ALLISON, I SURE I'M SURE, CAN COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS AND PROVIDE A NICE SUMMARY.
ARE WE, ARE YOU GUYS IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION OR, UH, TABLING IT AT THIS POINT? YES.
JEFF, WHAT DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT? UH, TRUMP AND JACK? NO, NOTHING.
UM, I CAN'T DO JUMPING JACK CAN'T.
SO IT DOES TAKE US INTO OUR NEXT, UH, OUR LAST SLIDE, WHICH IS THE JUNE 3RD AGENDA.
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THANK YOU.THIS IS, WELL WE'RE GONNA TAKE LIKE TWO MINUTES, BUT, SO THE NEXT AGENDA, JUNE 3RD, WE'RE GONNA HAVE LOVER'S LANE ON THERE.
ARDEN, YOU HAD IT ON THERE, DIDN'T YOU? DID YOU JUST MAKE THAT NO, NO, I HAD IT ON THERE 'CAUSE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT AND I MEANT TO PUT ON THERE IF NEEDED, BUT IT'S JUST ON THERE.
AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF PLANS THAT HAVE COME IN THAT WE, WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT SOME OTHER NEW PLANS THAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, SO IT MIGHT BE RELATIVE HEAVY AGENDA IN JUNE.
ARE THEY GONNA BE PRESENTING UH,
THERE MIGHT BE SOME, SOME OF THE APPLICANTS THERE, BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT ON JUNE 3RD IN TWO WEEKS.
UM, I THINK BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING HEAVY ON THE AGENDA A LITTLE BIT, I THINK WE MIGHT WANT TO TALK ABOUT INSTITUTING THE THREE MINUTE LIMIT.
I MEAN, I REALIZED TONIGHT WAS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN SIX, NINE MONTHS.
BUT WELL, GIVEN WHERE WE ARE, DO WE NEED TO DO THAT BEFORE THE MEETING STARTS? WE CAN INSTITUTE THAT AT THE TIME.
DE FIRST IS THAT, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US JUST HAD AN IDEA THAT IT WAS DOING AN EXACT, I THINK TIME.
I THINK IT'S UP TO YOUR DISCRETION.
I I THINK IT'S UP TO YOUR DISCRETION.
BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO IF, IF WE'RE IN THE ROOM AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE SURE.
THAT WANNA MAKE COMMENTS, I THINK MAYBE WE SAY THAT AHEAD OF TIME.
WE HAVE THE RULES AND REGULATIONS IN PLACE.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE APPLY THEM LIBERALLY AND, BUT I DO THINK THAT TO THE EXTENT WE HAVE THINK WE, I DON'T THINK I EVEN FEEL THAT WE WERE GONNA HAVE THAT INTENT CONVERSATION TODAY.
AND, AND, AND LOOK, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THIS IN A VERY LONG TIME AND I KNOW THE NEIGHBORS IN THIS PROPERTY ARE VERY INTERESTED AND HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A PUBLIC DISCUSSION IN A VERY LONG TIME.
BUT FOR THE NEXT ROUND, I THINK BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT ON THE AGENDA.
SO WHAT WE CONSIDER FOLKS, YOU FOLKS OUT THERE IS THAT THE NEIGHBORS, WHEN WE MEET ON JUNE 3RD, WE'RE GONNA HOLD YOU TO THREE MINUTES IF YOU WANT TO COME UP AND MAKE COMMENTS.
I MEAN, THAT'S ALREADY, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE MAKING UP.
THAT'S A STATED RULE THAT'S OUT THERE FOR ALL OF OUR MEETINGS THAT WE CAN APPLY WHEN WE FEEL JUSTIFIED.
AGAIN, I I PROBABLY WOULD'VE DONE IT TONIGHT IF WE KNEW THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE THIS INTENSE, BUT YOU DID A GOOD JOB 'CAUSE YOU CONVINCED ME THAT WE NEED TO GET MORE INFORMATION AND I KNOW THAT WE'LL PROBABLY GET A DECENT AMOUNT OF NEIGHBORS OUT FOR SPRING FORD WALK AS WELL.
SO TO MAKE SURE WE CAN GET EVERYBODY IN FOR THE, YOU KNOW, AT THE NIGHT IS WE'LL HAVE TO CONSIDER IT.
I JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT THERE NOW.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S OUR AGENDA.
I CAN RUN THROUGH THE ACTIVE APPLICATIONS IF YOU WANT.
WHATEVER, WHERE WE ARE WITH IT.
WHEN, WHEN'S THE ENVIRONMENTAL NEXT WEEK? 'CAUSE I KNOW THE SCHEDULE GOT BEST.
OH, I EVEN MARKED IT TO MY CALENDAR.
UM, THAT IS ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU.
JULY 1ST WOULD BE YOUR FIRST MEETING OF THE MONTH.
UH, YOU WANT, WE TYPICALLY CANCEL THE MEETING THAT'S AROUND JULY 4TH.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE TONIGHT.
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BUT IF, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT MEETING, I'D RATHER HAVE MORE WARNING THAN LESS BECAUSE I NEED TO MOVE THINGS AROUND.WOULD WE HAVE, WOULD WE IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT MEETING, 'CAUSE THERE'S FIVE WEDNESDAYS IN A MONTH, COULD WE JUST MOVE IT OR SOMETHING? NO, UM, I MEAN I GUESS WE COULD RE ADVERTISE IT, BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF AVAILABLE DATES IN THIS ROOM FOR WEDNESDAYS.
UM, GIVEN THE LENGTH OF OUR AGENDA, THERE'S PROBABLY THINGS THAT WE COULD PUT ON THAT MEETING.
IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF NOW SINCE WE'RE DOWN KEVIN.
IS, IS, UM, I THINK BOB MIGHT BE THE ONLY ONE DOESN'T KNOW KEVIN IS NO LONGER RESIGNED HIS POSITION.
SO WE ARE DOWN TO YOU FOUR GENTLEMEN.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T THINK SOMEONE'S GONNA GET A GREAT POINT BETWEEN NOW AND JULY.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL NEED TO, UM, TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
WE NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST THREE OF YOU HERE AND IF ONE OR TWO OF YOU ARE MISSING 'CAUSE OF VACATION, WE'LL NEED TO KNOW, UM, WELL IN ADVANCE.
HOW ABOUT YOU? UH, I'LL, I'LL HAVE TO, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ANY OF THE CONSULTANTS IN THE ROOM.
WELL, YOU GUYS HAVE A RIGHT TO SAY SOMETHING.
UM, THE ONLY MEETING I'M LOOKING FOR THAT I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND IS JUNE 17TH.
REMEMBER, I THINK I ALREADY TOLD YOU THAT, JEFF.
SO IF WE NEED SOMEONE ELSE TO BE HERE FROM MY OFFICE AND HAPPY WE GET COVERAGE, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.
YOU, YOU AND JEFF TO THE SITE.
WE'RE TELLING YOU JEFF, SO IF YOU WANT PICK IT UP.
OR I'M FINE IF I UNDERSTAND TOO.
THAT'S A HOLIDAY WEEK THEY'RE AROUND.
WE, WE WILL PLAN TO HAVE THAT MEETING.
SO IT'LL BE THE FIRST AND THEN THE 15TH.
AND SOME OF THIS IS DEPENDENT ON WHAT PLANS ARE OUT THERE AND WHAT PLANS ARE READY.
YOU KNOW, IF WE GET A PLAN THAT'S NOT READY, WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT THEM IN FRONT OF YOU TO HAVE SOMEONE COME UP THERE AND SAY, WE WILL COMPLY WITH A 25 PAGE LETTER.
WE DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
SO, UM, SO IF WE NEED ON THE FIRST AND THE 15TH OF JULY, WE WOULDN'T NEED TO GIVE THE THREE WEEKS.
IT WOULD BE BACK TO THE 5TH OF AUGUST, SO.
IT WOULD BE A THREE WEEK, UH, YEAH.
SO, UM, THERE'S NOTHING REALLY TO UPDATE YOU ON IT IS, IT IS REALLY THE PLANS.
AS IT SAYS ON THERE, THE PLANS ARE GONNA BE BEING REVISED BY THE APPLICANT.
THE PLANS ARE UNDER REVIEW BY THE TOWNSHIP.
UM, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THEM AND TRYING TO GET THEM OUT AS FAST AS WE CAN AND WE'LL GET THEM ON THE AGENDA WHEN THEY'RE READY.
I'LL TAKE A, A, A, A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.