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YEP.[CALL TO ORDER / MOTION TO APPROVE April 1, 2026 AGENDA]
GOOD EVENING.WE'RE GONNA CALL TO ORDER THE, UH, OPERA PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR WEDNESDAY, APRIL 1ST.
AND THERE WILL BE NO APRIL FOOL'S JOKES ACCEPTED TONIGHT, SO PLEASE KEEP 'EM TO YOURSELF.
UM, WITH THAT, UM, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE AGENDA.
I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A COPY.
WE'LL CALL THE ORDER, AND THEN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS WRITTEN IN FRONT OF US.
IF YOU GUYS TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT AND THEN I'LL TAKE A MOTION.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT.
WE'VE APPROVED THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING AND, UM, IT, UH, DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S TOO OVERPOWERING.
SO WE, UH, WE'LL GET THROUGH IT.
UM, SO NOW WE'LL TAKE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT ON NON AGENDA ITEMS. ANYTHING THE NON AGENDA, ANY OF THE PUBLIC OUT THERE.
SO NOT HEARING ANY, UH, COMMENTS ON THE, UH, NON AGENDA ITEMS. WE'LL
[GENERAL DISCUSSION ITEMS]
MOVE TO OUR GENERAL DISCUSSION ITEMS. AND, UM, OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE, UH, ON THE DOCKET IS REVIEW AND DISCUSSION OF THE MARCH 18TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES, WHICH ARE ATTACHED IN THIS PACKET.SO WE NEED TO REVIEW THOSE MINUTES FROM, UH, MARCH THE 18TH AND, UM, AND, UH, APPROVE THOSE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE MARCH 18TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
ALRIGHT, SO JOE MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I, I'LL, I'LL SECOND THAT, JERRY A SECOND.
THE NEXT THING ON THE, UH, MINUTES AS WE ROLL THROUGH THIS THING IS PLAN ACCEPTANCE.
AND THIS IS FOR THE, UH, COLLEGEVILLE, UH, MULTIFAMILY FINAL PLAN UNIT, WHICH IS, UH, SO WE HAVE NO COMMENTS.
WE JUST GOTTA ACCEPT THIS, RIGHT, JEFF? AGAIN, THE PLAN WAS FILED.
IT IS JUST LETTING YOU KNOW IT'S HERE.
THIS STARTS THE OFFICIAL CLOCK DATE.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY RUSH, BUT WE'LL GET TO WORK ON IT AND YOU'LL SEE IN A COUPLE MONTHS.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE ANY COMMENTS AT THIS POINT.
I DIDN'T EVEN REALLY LOOK AT IT KNOWING THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE ANY COMMENTS ON IT TONIGHT.
THESE BOXES, IT'S A LOT OF FILES.
UH, JESSE, YOU CAN HAVE ALL YOU WANT ON THOSE FILES.
UM, UH, BRIAN ALREADY TOOK HIS AFTER THE CAR.
WE'RE NOT SURE IF HE ACTUALLY TOOK 'EM OUT AND THREW 'EM IN THE WOODS, BUT, UM, HE GOT OUT OF HERE QUICKLY.
SO, UH, IF EVERYBODY'S AGREEING WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE, UM, MULTIFAMILY UNIT KNOWLEDGE BILL.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE PLAN TO SUBMIT.
SO WE GOT A MOTION FOR JERRY TO ACCEPT THE PLAN AT AS STARTING THE CLOCK.
[APPLICATIONS TO BE HEARD ON April 1, 2026]
WE MOVE ON TO THE APPLICATION TO BE HEARD TONIGHT, WHICH IS, UM, THE QUEST REDEVELOPMENT.AND, UM, I GUESS WE GOT OUR FAVORITE, UH, ATTORNEY HERE.
ALLISON ZARO ON BEHALF OF HIGH TOP.
UM, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT, UH, TO TALK ABOUT THE FINAL PLAN FOR 1201 SOUTH COLLEGE HILL, RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
UM, THIS PLANNING COMMISSION HAS SEEN THIS NUMEROUS TIMES, BUT I DID WANT TO BRING THIS RENDERING TONIGHT BECAUSE WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE PRELIMINARY LAND DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS, UM, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WAS VERY FOCUSED ON THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT OF THE SITE.
UM, AND IT DID HAVE US MAKE SOME CHANGES SINCE YOU HAD NOT FORMALLY SEEN THOSE CHANGES SINCE WE RECEIVED THAT APPROVAL.
I DID WANT TO JUST WALK THROUGH THAT TONIGHT.
OH, DO WE HAVE A WORKING? WELL, DID YOU TAKE THE STORY AND A HALF OUT? YEAH, NO, I KNOW, RIGHT? EXACTLY.
UM, SO WE, WE DID NOT, BUT WE DID, WE DID RECONFIGURE.
BUT ANYWAY, UM, WE DID, UH, RECONFIGURE SOME OF THE UNITS.
SO ORIGINALLY WE HAD UNITS THAT WERE CLOSER TO BLACKROCK ROAD, WHICH IS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PLAN, UM, THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW.
IF YOU RECALL, THERE'S THE SMALL HOUSE THAT WE'RE RETAINING, UM, ON THE FRONTAGE OF BLACKROCK.
AND, UM, WE ORIGINALLY HAD SOME HOUSING NEXT TO THAT IN THAT POD.
THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DID NOT LIKE THAT LOCATION.
THEY ASKED US TO RE-LOOK AT THE SITE, UM, AND RECONFIGURE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID.
UM, WE DID LOSE, UH, ONE BUILDING OR TWO UNITS AS A RESULT OF THAT.
SO THERE ARE 120 STACK TOWNS RATHER THAN 122.
UM, AND THE, THE ROAD CONFIGURATION WAS CHANGED SLIGHTLY.
IT CREATED A BETTER CONNECTION BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION AND THE COMMERCIAL.
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THAT'S CLOSER TO BLACKROCK ROAD, INTERNAL TO THE SITE IS A FULL ACCESS BACK AND FORTH.UM, THERE IS A FULL ACCESS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AND BLACKROCK.
UM, THE OTHER CONNECTION YOU SEE BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE COMMERCIAL ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PLAN IS AN EMERGENCY ACCESS.
SO, UM, THAT WILL BE GATED ON BOTH SIDES, BUT IT'LL ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL MOVEMENT THROUGH THERE IF NEEDED.
UM, AND IF YOU MOVE TO THE VERY RIGHT SIDE OF THE PLAN AT THE TOP, THERE IS A TRAIL CONNECTION, UH, BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION AND THE, THE EXISTING, UM, BLACKROCK PARK RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
WHERE'S THAT? WHERE'S THAT? SO IF I, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, THE GREENS ON, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S NOT REALLY SHOWING UP.
IT'S, IT'S SORT OF FAINT HERE.
AMY? THIS ONE'S NOT MUCH BETTER.
SO THE, TO THE VERY RATE OF THE LAST, UH, ROW OF UNITS, THAT'S A, THAT'S A, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A HERE.
ALLISON, DO YOU WANNA POINT, I CAN JUST WALK.
YEAH, YOU WANNA WALK UP AND POINT IT? OUR, OUR, OUR ENGINEER, MY ENGINEER IS WITH ME TONIGHT.
SO WE CAN HAVE DENNIS POINTED OUT FOR YOU BECAUSE IF, FOR WHATEVER REASON, THESE ARE VERY FAINT TONIGHT.
SO IT COMES AROUND AND THEN IT GOES UP AND THEN IT'S GOING TO CONNECT OUT OVER TO THE EXISTING TRAIL SYSTEM.
YEARS OF WATCHING THE VAN WAY, THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THE SITE, UM, IS GENERALLY THE SAME AS YOU SAW IN THE MOST RECENT ITERATION.
WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE TO MAKE ANY CHANGES ON THAT SIDE.
UM, THE ANCHOR GROCER TENANT IS IN THE LARGEST BUILDING ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PLAN.
UM, AND THEN THERE WILL BE OTHER RETAILERS IN THERE.
UM, THERE'S STILL IDEA FOR RESTAURANTS.
WE HAD TO GO GET VARIANCE APPROVAL FOR A, UM, VETERINARY URGENT CARE THAT'S GOING IN THE BUILDING, UM, ON THE, BY BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER OF THE PLAN.
UM, THAT FREESTANDING BUILDING THAT'LL GO IN THERE.
THE, THE, THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR, UH, PEOPLE URGENT CARE, BUT IT DID NOT ALLOW FOR ANIMAL URGENT CARE.
SO WE HAD TO GO GET A VARIANCE FOR THAT ASPECT OF IT, GET A VARIANCE BECAUSE, BECAUSE IT WAS ANIMALS VERSUS PEOPLE, BUT, WOW.
SO WE WEREN'T FAR FUELED FROM A USE THAT WAS PERMITTED, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS BROKEN DOWN BY PEOPLE AND ANIMALS.
SO, SO THAT, THAT'S VETERINARY EMERGENCY GROUP.
THEY'LL BE GOING IN THAT SPACE.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE OUR FULL ACCESS AT
WE HAVE RECEIVED OUR NPDS PERMIT, OUR HOP PERMITS, UM, TRAFFIC SIGNAL PERMITS.
THERE ARE TRAFFIC SIGNALS ALREADY AT THE ENTRANCE AND AT, UM, BLACKROCK AND 29.
BUT SINCE WE ARE MAKING ADJUSTMENTS AND ADDING, YOU KNOW, A LANE AND THAT KIND OF THING, WE HAD TO UPDATE THE SIGNAL PERMITS.
UM, AND WE HAD RECEIVED OUR PLANNING MODULE EXEMPTION BACK IN OCTOBER OF 2025.
SO IN TERMS OF OUTSIDE AGENCY PERMITS, WE ARE FULLY PERMITTED FOR THE PROJECT.
UH, JUST CURIOUS, UH, THE RETAIL C BUILDING FIVE ON THE PARALLEL BUILDING ON THE SOUTHEAST TO BLACKROCK, THE BACK, WHICH FACES ALL THE PARKING LOTS.
IT'S, IT'S JUST A BUILDING AND A AND A YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE, LIKE THE DUMPSTER WOULD BE? WELL, YEAH, THE DUMPSTERS DRIVE.
I, I PRESUME SO, SO THERE'S NOTHING, NOTHING BACK THERE AT ALL ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THOSE BUILDINGS TOWARDS THE PARKING LOT.
IT'S JUST, JUST A OPEN AREA AROUND THE BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? NO, I DON'T KNOW.
I'M NOT GETTING YOU EITHER, JIM.
WELL, WHICH, WHICH BUILDING? IF YOU SEE, IF YOU SEE BUILDING FIVE, IF YOU SEE RETAIL C BUILDING FIVE, RETAIL A OKAY, OKAY.
ON THE NORTH SIDE TOWARDS ALL THE PARKING LOT.
I JUST, THERE'S NOTHING BACK THERE OTHER THAN JUST THE END OF THE BUILDINGS.
THERE'S NO REFUGE BACK THERE, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOTHING.
IT'S JUST THE END OF THE BUILDING.
AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AREA AT THE TOP? NO, NO, I'M TALKING ALL THE WAY DOWN THIS HERE.
ALL THE WAY DOWN, RIGHT? YEAH.
GOT, JUST SO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE THAT? NO, NO, NO.
WELL, YOU HAVE, YEAH, YOU NEAR THE PARKING LOT.
SO THERE'S PARKING LOT HERE WITH AN ENTRANCE HERE, BUT THERE'S ALSO DOORS ON BOTH SIDES SO THEY CAN ENTER FROM BOTH OF THEM.
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ONLY, BUT IT'S ONLY SIDEWALK THAT YOU CAN EXIT ENTRANCE FROM THE PARKING LOT.AND SO JEFF, COULD YOU SCROLL ON BACK UP TO THE RESIDENTIAL, MOVE IT OVER? MM-HMM
ALLISON, I'M, UH, TALKED TO SOMEBODY THAT'S CLOSE TO, UH, UM, THE TOWNSHIP HERE REGARDING THE SKATE PARK AND THEY, THEIR CONCERN, AND I THINK IT'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN.
AND I, I, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU HAVE SOME TREES IN THERE AND STUFF, BUT I WANT TO REITERATE THAT HOPEFULLY YOU'RE GONNA PUT ENOUGH BUFFER THERE BECAUSE THOSE UNITS AT THE END THERE, UM, ARE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE SKATE PARK AND THAT CAN GET KIND OF NOISY AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE YOUNG PEOPLE.
AND THEY CAN SAY THINGS THAT MAYBE WE ALL WON'T WANT TO HEAR.
UM, NOT THAT I'VE EVER SAID ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT, UH, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH BUFFER THERE FOR, UH, AND I KNOW IT'S HARD TO TELL FROM THIS PLANT.
I, I'M KIND OF ASKING, DO YOU PLAN ON PUTTING A LOT OF BUFFER BETWEEN THE SKATE PARK AND THOSE UNITS THAT ARE CLOSE TO IT? YES.
WE ACTUALLY ARE DOING BUFFERING ON THE TOWNSHIP PROPERTY AS WELL.
SO WE WILL BE PLANTING TREES ON THE TOWNSHIP SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE AS WELL.
BECAUSE YOUR YOUR POINT, IT'S A GOOD ONE, TOM.
THERE IS, YOU KNOW, IT IS PRETTY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE THERE, SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A BUFFER ON THAT TOP AREA.
AND I GOING TO, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S ENOUGH.
YEAH, I, I, YEAH, YOU KNOW, TOM, TO FOLLOW UP ON YOUR QUESTION, MAYBE THIS IS MORE FOR THE ENGINEER.
BUT IS THERE A, UH, A MINIMUM HEIGHT OR CALIBER OF THE, THE PLANNING MATERIALS THAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO PUT IN? LIKE, I THINK THE MINIMUMS YOU WANT ME TO COME UP? YEAH, I THINK THE MINIMUM SIZE IS TWO AND A HALF TO THREE INCH CALIPER FOR THE, FOR THE SHADE TREES.
AND THEN, UM, I THINK IT'S SIX TO EIGHT FEET FOR THE EVERGREENS.
UM, AND THEN IN THOSE AREAS WE'RE DOING A MIX OF SHADE TREES, ORNAMENTALS, EVERGREENS, SOME SHRUBS.
UM, AND AGAIN, TO ALLISON'S POINT, WE'RE PLANTING ON OUR SIDE AND ALSO ON THE TOWNSHIP SIDE, UM, IN THAT WHOLE CORNER.
I DON'T WANT JEFF TO GET THOSE PHONE CALLS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY COULD BE SITTING ON HER DECK ON A SUNNY, UH, SUNNY AFTERNOON OR SUNNY EVENING.
AND, UH, THIS KID, THAT'S WHAT HE'S GOING TO USE THE MOST OF THE SUMMERTIME AND JEFF WILL GET THOSE CALLS FOR, AND I'LL SEND NOISE ABATEMENTS.
SO, UH, JUST, YEAH, JUST JUST TAKE THAT AS A, MAKE SURE IT'S REALLY BUFFERED.
WELL TRY TO KEEP THE NOISE TO IT.
THEN ON THE OTHER THING I'LL NOTE, UH, THE TOP LOT DID MOVE OVER NEXT TO, UM, THE BIGGER PARKING AREA.
THERE'S ESSENTIALLY AN OVERFLOW PARKING AREA THAT'S CLOSER TO BLACK, A ROAD AND THE EXISTING HOUSE, AND THE TOP LOT IS GOING IN THAT AREA.
THAT'LL ALLOW A MORE CENTRALIZED LOCATION, ALLOW PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, FOR SOME REASON THEY DO WANT TO DRIVE OVER AND PARK THERE OR WHATEVER.
THAT'S, IT'S IN THAT LOCATION NEXT TO THAT SPACE NOW.
AND THERE'S A LITTLE OUTDOOR AREA THAT GOES WITH IT.
WHERE'S THE OLD PROP? WHERE'S THE OLD BUILDING ON? RIGHT THERE.
RIGHT UP, RIGHT ON THE FRONT EDGE OF, I THOUGHT IT WAS UP FURTHER TOWARD THE POWER PROPERTY.
AND WHAT IS THAT BLUE AREA NEXT TO IT, DID YOU SAY? IT'S THE, THAT'S THE TOP LOT.
SO WE DO HAVE OTHER RENDERINGS THAT SHOW WHAT IT'LL LOOK LIKE, LIKE SORT OF THE LAYOUT OF IT, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THAT.
UM, THESE ARE RENDERINGS THAT WE HAD PRESENTED WITH THE UPDATED VERSION OF THE PLAN, BUT AT THE END HERE'S, UM, THAT SORT OF, THAT LARGER PATIO AREA AND THE, AND THE TOP LOT AND PARKING NEXT TO IT.
CAN YOU STILL LOOK AT, UH, PUT A, UH, COFFEE PLACE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN SOME, SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I MEAN, THEY'D LIKE TO, UH, DAVID WOULD STILL LIKE TO DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD SERVE THE COMMUNITY AND THE PUBLIC.
I MEAN, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS ABOUT DO WE JUST, YOU KNOW, DO WE JUST MAKE IT A COMMUNITY CENTER FOR THE RESIDENTIAL? BUT I KNOW HE WOULD STILL LIKE TO DO SOMETHING PUBLIC FACING.
THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY BIG.
I REALLY AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BUILDING.
SO I THINK THERE IS A BIT OF A QUESTION WITH THAT BUILDING IN TERMS OF THE SPRINKLERS, BUT THAT'S FOR A POST-CONSTRUCTION, FOR THE FIRE MARSHAL.
I MEAN THAT, THAT'S NOT A LAND DEVELOPMENT ISSUE, BUT THAT, THAT'S THE BIGGEST QUESTION RIGHT NOW IS THAT BUILDING HAS TO BE, ACCORDING TO FIREARMS ARE SPRINKLED IF IT HAS ANY PUBLIC USE, IF IT HAS A PUBLIC UNIT, THEY HAVE TO WORK THROUGH THAT.
IF IT DOESN'T HAVE PUBLIC USE, WHAT HAPPENS TO IT? I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY CONVERTED IT, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO DO THAT.
BUT IF SOMEBODY WANTED MADE IT A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A DIFFERENT BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENT AND REQUIREMENT THAN IF IT'S MADE INTO A PUBLIC FACING SPACE.
SO EVEN IF IT WAS A COMMUNITY CENTER, IT WOULD NEED TO BE SPRINKLER.
NO, I HOPE, I HOPE IT, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA ACTUALLY.
I, I THINK FROM MY DISCUSSION WITH DAVE, HE'S COMMITTED TO KEEPING IT.
THE QUESTION IS HE WANTS TO WORK THROUGH EVERYTHING ELSE.
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AND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT TOWARDS THE END.I'M JUST GLAD, I'M JUST GLAD IT'S THERE.
I THINK HE KNOWS THE IMPORTANCE OF IT TO THE TOWNSHIP.
AND WE APPRECIATED THE PHOTOS THAT
SO CHIP, HOW, HOW DO WE, WHO REGULATES WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT BUILDING? THE BUILDING CODE DOES THE THE, THEY WOULD BE SUBJECT FOR ANYTHING THEY DO.
THEY'D BE SUBJECT TO THE BUILDING AND THE FIRE CODE.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IF, IF NOBODY WANTS TO OCCUPY IT FOR A COMMERCIAL PURPOSE, I MEAN, THEY COULD DO AN EXTERIOR RENOVATION, BUT JUST SIT THERE EMPTY.
I MEAN, WHAT HAPPENS? WE CAN'T FORCE ANYBODY TO OCCUPY THE BUILDING.
ALL, ALL WE CAN DO IS WHEN THERE'S SOMEONE TO OCCUPY IT.
WE COULD, WE COULD REQUIRE DAVID AND WE CAN ASK DAVID TO MAINTAIN THE BUILDING TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE THERE'S A GUTTER THAT'S HANGING DOWN RIGHT NOW, RIGHT.
DURING CONSTRUCTION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT WILL GET FIXED TO MAINTAIN THE BUILDING.
WE'RE NOT GONNA LET HIM DO DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT, WHICH IS A HISTORIC PRESERVATION TERM.
BUT MOVING FORWARD, WE, WE CAN'T FORCE SOME, WE CAN'T FORCE HIM TO PUT SOMETHING IN THERE OR FORCE THAT AND, BUT WE WILL WORK CLOSELY WITH HIM TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMETHING GOOD DOES HAPPEN THERE.
AND YEAH, I THINK HE, I THINK HE UNDERSTANDS HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO, TO TO THESE BOARDS PLUS THE COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORS.
AND I THINK, I THINK HE, I I ALWAYS GOT THE FEELING HE UNDERSTOOD THAT.
AND, AND I WILL SAY ALSO, SO THE, THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE WILL BE SUBJECTED TO A CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION.
SINCE THESE ARE STACKED UNITS, WE ARE GOING TO GO WITH THE CONDO.
IT WILL BE A UNIT IN THE CONDO.
SO THE HO OR THE CONDO ASSOCIATION WOULD ALSO HAVE CERTAIN ENFORCEMENT RIGHT OVER IT.
IT'S ALSO SORT OF THAT ENTRANCE TO THAT RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
SO CERTAINLY THEY ARE GOING TO CARE ABOUT IT, NOT LOOKING, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS NOT LOOKING GOOD, YOU KNOW, YOU RENDERED HERE.
SORRY? THEY WILL ALL BE OWNED.
THESE ARE ALL OWNED, THESE ARE NOT RENTAL UNITS.
THESE WILL BE OWNED CONDO UNITS.
AND JUST ONE OTHER THING, UH, BETWEEN JEN AND THE FIRE MARSHAL, CAN YOU SPEAK? SURE.
BETWEEN, UM, JEN'S REVIEW AND THE FIRE MARSHAL'S REVIEW, WE STUB, WE, WE HAVE PLANNED TO STUB UTILITIES THERE.
SO THAT ALL, ALL THAT INFRASTRUCTURE'S GONNA BE PUT IN DURING CONSTRUCTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
EVEN IF NOTHING IS IMMINENT IN THAT BUILDING, UTILITIES WILL BE THERE.
SO THAT WHEN SOMETHING, YOU'RE GONNA MAKE THE BUILDING, RIGHT.
AND THEN HOPEFULLY SOMEBODY'S GONNA SEE A VALUE YES.
IN EITHER WITH THE HOA OR A RETAILER OR SOMETHING.
AND I THINK THAT'S, I MEAN, LIKE JEFF SAID, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT PLAN.
UM, SO IN TERMS OF, WE, WE DID HAVE, WE'RE DOWN TO SOME MINOR REVIEW LETTER COMMENTS THAT WE'RE CLEANING UP.
BUT, UM, WE ARE LOOKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION FROM YOU THIS EVENING.
WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
I'M GONNA TURN TO OUR, TO, UH, OUR EXPERTS OVER HERE AND ASK IF THEY HAVE ANY COMMENTS.
YOU SPOT ON THAT A LITTLE BIT.
YEAH, SO, SO AS ALLISON SHARED, THEY DO HAVE THEIR PENDO PERMITS, UH, BOTH THEIR HOP, THEIR SIGNAL PERMITS.
UH, SO ACCESS WISE, THEY'RE GOOD TO GO.
UH, THE ONE THING THAT WE WILL JUST NEED TO DO AS AN ONGOING THING WILL BE TO, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE RETAIL PORTION, JUST BE CONTINUALLY CHECKING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FITTING INSIDE THE TRAFFIC STUDY PARAMETERS.
UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A MIX OF RETAIL AND RESTAURANT AND THOSE TYPES OF USES AND JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE STAY WITHIN THAT SO THAT FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE WE'RE WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF WHAT WAS WAS PREDICTED FOR THE SITE.
AND THEN FOR THE REST OF IT, ALEC ALLISON SAID THEY DO HAVE THEIR NPDS PERMIT.
SO THEY HAVE THEIR STATE PERMIT FOR THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
THE SITE IS DESIGNED TO SATISFY THE TAX ORDINANCE FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AS WELL.
AND THERE'S JUST A COUPLE MINOR PLAN REVISIONS THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
THERE'S NO DESIGN DIFFERENCES THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE, UM, OR NOTICE GOING FORWARD.
SO THAT'S WHY MY FINAL LETTER ISN'T DRAFTED YET, BUT I'M SURE THAT IT WILL BE BEFORE THE BOARD MEETING.
NO, ALLISON, I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT ON THE, UM, WHEN YOU, UM, DEMOLITION THE OLD BUILDING, YOU FREAKED US ALL OUT.
WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE RULES WERE.
WE, THIS HASN'T BEEN APPROVED YET.
ENTIRE BUILDING, BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW.
JEFF OF COURSE HAS ALWAYS EDUCATED US ON THE RULES, BUT, UH, YEAH, YOU FREAKED US OUT.
WE REALLY HAD SOME ME BILL FLY BACK AND FORTH THERE.
THE DEMO PERMIT IS A BUILDING PERMIT.
SO IT'S SUBJECT TO THAT PROCESS VERSUS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT.
YEAH, I, I CAN BECAUSE I MEAN, IT'S A BIG BUILDING TOO.
YOU'VE HELPED US LEARN FOR THE FUTURE.
THE ONE THING I DON'T THINK I TOLD THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND, AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAD A LOT OF FUN IN THAT EMPTY BUILDING.
DID THEY USED IT FOR A LOT OF ACTIVE TRAINING, LOT OF TRAINING.
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I SAW, I SAW A NUMBER OF POSTS THAT THEY FIRE DEPARTMENT SPECIFICALLY APPARENTLY.DAVID, DAVID WAS A LOT OF ACTIVITY WAS EXCELLENT AT LETTING THEM USE THIS BUILDING.
AND EVEN, EVEN UP TO THIS WEEK, THE, THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR ASKED ME IF, IF I COULD CONTACT DAVID AND, 'CAUSE THERE WAS SOME BUMPER STOPS FOR CURB STOPS AND THERE WAS A CEMENT, UM, CEMENT BLOCKS THAT THEY USED FOR LIKE ASSAULT STORAGE.
AND THEY WERE OVER THERE CHECKING THE SITE AND, AND WE ASKED DAVID IF WE COULD HAVE 'EM 'CAUSE THEY WERE JUST GONNA GET CHOPPED UP.
AND DAVID SAID, TALK TO MY, MY, UH, FOREMAN AND COORDINATE THAT WITH 'EM.
AND I THINK PUBLIC WORKS SICK.
A BUNCH OF GUYS OVER THERE AND GOT A BUNCH OF STUFF.
WELL THEN I THINK WE'VE BETTER PROVE THIS.
NO, IT SHOULDN'T BE BASED ON THAT.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE FULL BOARD HERE, JOE? THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I'LL ASK JUST TO REAFFIRM, THERE ARE NO DRIVE-THROUGHS IN ANY OF THESE RESTAURANTS, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
NOW, JUST FOR THE RECORD, I WILL NEED THE CLEAN FINAL LETTER BY THE 23RD OF APRIL THIRD AT NOON.
'CAUSE I'M NOW IN CHARGE OF THAT BOARD AGENDA.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET IT ALL CLEANED UP.
SO WHEN'S THIS GONNA BE THE SUPERVISOR? IT'LL BE ON THE 27TH.
SO 23RD IS THE THURSDAY BEFORE, AND THAT WAY WE CAN GET IT ON THE AGENDA.
DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT, AND I THIS MIGHT BE, DO YOU ANTICIPATE THE SUPERVISORS HAVING ANY MORE ISSUES WITH THIS? NO.
THEN, UM, IF WE HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT AND NO OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE GROUP HERE, I'LL TAKE, UH, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO, UH, MOVE THIS ON TO SUPERVISORS FOR A FINAL.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT, UH, THE PLAN MOVE FORWARD, UH, TO THE SUPERVISORS FOR APPROVE THAT'S SUBMITTED.
SO JERRY'S MADE A, UH, A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS FOR FINAL RECOMMENDATION TO THE, UH, TO THE SUPER BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON THE 27TH OF APRIL.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT.
NO OTHER COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING IT.
[DISCUSSION: FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]
MOVING ON OUR AGENDA THEN.UM, WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS FUTURE AGENDAS.
NOW SINCE ALLISON'S HERE, SHE CAN TELL ME IF I'M RIGHT OR I'M WRONG.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHY MY SCREEN IS SLOWER.
UM, APRIL 15TH, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GONNA HAVE LOVER'S LANE AND HASAN ROAD.
HASSAN ROAD DID PUT IN, THEY WENT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THE BOARD KICKED IT BACK TO YOU BECAUSE THEY CHANGED THE PLAN ENOUGH THAT THE BOARD THOUGHT THAT YOU SHOULD WEIGH IN ON IT.
THEY HAVE MOVED THE HOUSES FORWARD.
I'VE SENT YOU THE INFORMATION ON THAT.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT ON APRIL 15TH.
LOVER'S LANE, THEIR LETTER CAME OUT THIS WEEK.
UM, I THINK IT'S FAIRLY CLOSE.
DO YOU THINK BETWEEN JEN AND DO YOU THINK YOU WANT TO TRY FOR APRIL OR DO YOU WANT TO JUST PUSH THIS TO MAY I, I NEED TO TALK TO MY CLIENT.
THE ISSUE IS, I WAS TOLD OUR ENGINEER HAS A CONFLICT ON THE 15TH.
SO IF THAT IS THE CASE AND I DON'T HAVE COVERAGE, WE MAY WANT TO PUSH.
SO SINCE THE LETTER CAME OUT YESTERDAY, I'VE HAD HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO VERIFY WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I HAD EMAILED THEM PREVIOUSLY.
BUT NOW THAT WE HAVE IT, I'LL, I'LL GET YOU AN ANSWER TOMORROW.
'CAUSE WE WILL NEED TO GET THE EXTENSION.
BECAUSE IT'S THROUGH THE END OF APRIL.
UM, SO YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT THAT ONE FOR MAY THEN? SOMETIME OF MAY.
YEAH, THAT WOULD PROBABLY GO ON THE FIRST MEETING IN MAY, WHICH I THINK IS THE SIXTH.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT HAS SOME ROAD THEY WOULDN'T BE ON BECAUSE WE WANNA LOOP THEM BACK IN FOR THE 27TH FOR THE BOARD MEETING.
UM, SO WHAT IS OUR, WHAT WOULD BE OUR, OUR UH, WOULD BE IMPROVING THE CHANGES YOU'D BE RECOMMEND YOU'D BE MAKING, RECOMMENDING THE CHANGES BASED ON THOSE SUPERVISOR BASED ON THE CHANGES THAT WERE RECOMMENDED TO THEM.
AND THAT'S FOR OUR NEXT MEETING.
THAT WOULD BE FOR YOUR NEXT MEETING? YES.
UM, NOW THERE MIGHT BE SOME OTHER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THINGS THAT WE GET INTO.
WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
UM, AS YOU CAN TELL BY THE AGENDA, WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS ON THE AGENDA.
BUT I GOT TWO NEW APPLICATIONS JUST THIS AFTERNOON.
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UH, ONE 40 WHITAKER PUT IN THEIR APPLICATION.AND THEN, UM, THERE'S A NEW SUBDIVISION WHICH YOU HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE UP OFF OF TOWNSHIP LINE ROAD UP BY THE TARGET AND THE LOWS, IT'S A SIX LOT SMALL CUL-DE-SAC SUBDIVISION.
BUT THAT WILL BE PUT IN PROCESS.
WE'LL DO THE PLAN ACCEPTANCE FOR THAT NEXT TIME.
SINCE WE DON'T HAVE CHECKS, THEY'RE NOT OFFICIALLY YET.
SO IF WE HAVE, IF LET, LET'S JUST ASSUME ALLISON'S GONNA MOVE THIS DATE.
MAY WE JUST HAVE HAS ROAD FOR RIGHT? ARE WE GOING TO SPEND ANY TIME ON? I WOULD LIKE TO, YEAH, I WOULD TO.
I WOULD LIKE TO, WE CAN GO OVER WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE, AT THE PLANNING OR AT THE, AT THE BOARD SUPERVISOR, BOARD SUPERVISORS WORKSHOP MEETING, GO THROUGH THAT.
UM, AND OTHER THINGS THAT THEY COME UP.
I KNOW THAT JEN HAS PUT OUT HER REVIEW ON PROSPERITY DRIVE SPOTLESS, UM, SPRING FOR WALK.
JUST SENT OUT THEIR PLANS THIS AFTERNOON.
JENNA, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW THAT EMAIL.
SO WHEN YOU THAT ONE JEFF, WHEN DO YOU THINK WE'LL SEE THAT? I WOULD SAY THAT ONE'S PROBABLY IN A, PROBABLY MAY AS WELL.
I WOULD THINK THAT WE COULD MAYBE.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEIR PLAN IS.
IT WAS, THEY HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS THE, ON THE LAST LETTER.
SO I'M ASSUMING THEY'VE CLEANED THEM UP.
IF THEY HAVEN'T REALLY CLEANED IT UP, WE'RE GONNA KEEP PUSHING IT BACK.
THEY'RE GOING FOR FINALS, SO THEY'RE GONNA BE CLEANING THOSE PLANS UP.
MENNONITE ROAD IS CLEANING THEIR PLANS UP.
THEY'RE LOOKING FOR FINALS SO THEY HAVE TO CLEAN SOME THINGS UP.
AMELIA STREET, THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING SINCE WE WENT THROUGH THE LAST PROCESS WITH THEM.
Y'S IN HOPWOOD, UH, THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THEIR ISSUES.
BRIDAL LANE THAT WILL COME IN CONJUNCTION WITH HIGH WHENEVER THAT ONE COMES ON THE AGENDA, WHICH WILL PROBABLY BE AT THE EARLIEST JUNE.
AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON, ON THE LENGTH OF THE LETTER.
IF THERE'S A LOT ON THE LETTER, WE TRY TO KICK IT BACK TO THE APPLICANTS TO SAY CLEAN A LOT OF THIS UP BECAUSE WE DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO COME IN AND SAY, I KNOW WE HAVE A 17 PAGE LETTER, BUT WE WILL COMPLY PLANNING COMMISSIONER, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? THERE'S TOO MANY THINGS IN THERE THAT COULD GET LOST.
SO, AND THEN PARK HOUSE, UH, WE'RE REVIEWING THAT.
I HAVE THE ADDRESS WRONG AND THE, UM, YEAH, I HAVE THE ADDRESS WRONG ON THAT.
SO, UM, JUST, JUST FOR MY, UH, 'CAUSE I, I, YOU KNOW, YOU DO THIS EVERY DAY, SO YOU HAVE, WHAT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH AMELIA STREET? AND I'M JUST GONNA ASK ABOUT THAT.
THERE'S, UM, A LOT THEY'RE CREATING THAT WE'RE NOT SURE IS A COMPLIANT LOT.
YOU CAN'T GO THROUGH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AND CREATE A NON-COMPLIANT LOT UNLESS YOU GET A WAIVER OR VARIANCE.
SO THERE'S JUST SOME ISSUES GOING BACK AND FORTH.
AND IN FEBRUARY, JANUARY, FEBRUARY, THERE WAS A NON-PAYMENT ISSUE.
SO WE HAD, WE HAD PUT A A STA A STOP ON IT.
SO THEY'RE NOW BACK AND WE PUT IT TO YOU TO TURN DOWN AS PART OF THAT NONPAYMENT ISSUE BECAUSE THEY HADN'T PUT ANY PLANS IN.
THEY HADN'T REALLY FOLLOWED UP ON ANYTHING WITH US OTHER THAN A FEW SKETCHES HERE OR THERE.
EMAILS SAYING, HEY, WHAT IF WE DO THIS? AND HEY, WHAT IF WE DO THAT? MY RESPONSE TO 'EM ALL THE TIME HAS BEEN, PUT IT ON THE PLANS, RESUBMIT THE PLANS, LET US EVALUATE IT IN A FORMAL SETTING.
NOT OVER EMAIL AND IDEAS IN YOUR HEAD.
SO I JUST, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT ONE TODAY.
GRADUATED BECAUSE I, UH, YEAH, AS FAR AS I KNOW, THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON IT.
I, I HAVE NOT TALKED TO MR. PALEO IN A FEW MONTHS.
I KNOW THEY WERE OUT OF TOWN FOR, ON A VACATION FOR A WHILE, BUT I, I HAVE NOT HEARD BACK, SO, OKAY.
REMEMBER WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE BILLBOARDS.
AND WE BROUGHT THAT UP THE OTHER NIGHT AND THEY SAID, WELL WE NEED THAT FOR INCOME.
I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANNA GET TOO FAR DOWN THAT ROAD, BUT YES, THAT'S PART OF WHAT THEIR QUESTION IS, SO, OKAY.
SO AND SO WE'LL HAVE ONE 40 WHITAKER AND WE'LL HAVE THE, UM, THE SIX LOT SUBDIVISION FOR ACCEPTANCE.
NEXT TIME IF WE GET ANY OTHERS, WE'LL GET THEM IN ON THAT AGENDA AND WE'LL JUST KEEP PLOWING THROUGH THESE AS THEY'RE, AS THEY'RE READY TO BE TALKED ABOUT.
WE'LL TALK A LITTLE ABOUT THAT, YOUR PIKE AND ALL THAT BRIDGE PIKE AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF THAT CAME UP OUT OF THAT.
UM, WAS THERE ANY REVIEW, WAS THERE LIKE, UM, I APOLOGIZE IF I'M MISSING.
WAS THERE ANY KIND OF, UM, MINUTES OR REVIEW, UH, ATION OF THAT FEE? UM, THERE WILL BE, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN COMPLETED YET, OR IT'S NOT OUT, BUT I WOULD MAKE SURE ONCE THAT'S APPROVED BY THE BOARD IT COMES TO YOU.
I WOULD GUESS IT WOULD BE BY THE 27TH.
IT WOULD PROBABLY SHOW UP ON THAT AGENDA TO BE APPROVED BY THE BOARD.
AND THEN MAY, 2026 WE HAVE, UM, WE'RE COMBINING THE EAC WITH THE PARK AND REC BOARD MEETING TO DISCUSS THE TRAIL MASTER PLAN.
SO, AND THAT'S MOVING FORWARD.
I JUST HAD AN UPDATE WITH THEM.
THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH A LOT OF THINGS.
I MAKE EIGHTH, EIGHTH OF FRIDAY.
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DATE WRONG.YEAH, I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE GONNA SPEND FRIDAYS.
UM, I GUESS THAT'S ALL WITHOUT NO OTHER COMMENTS FROM ANYBODY.
HEY, I DO WANT TO THANK JOHN FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT AND, UH, FILLING IN FOR ZACH.
AND WE GAVE A TOUGH MEETING HERE TONIGHT, SO VERY DIFFICULT.
SO, UH, NOW I WANT YOU TO KEEP IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
SO, THANK YOU JOHN FOR BEING HERE AND, AND KEEPING US STRAIGHT.
UM, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
JEFF, WILL YOU ARGUE TO ADJOURN? OH YEAH.