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ARE YOU READY? READY.[CALL TO ORDER / MOTION TO APPROVE MARCH 18, 2026 AGENDA]
OKAY.I'LL HAVE TO SHOW YOU EVERYTH.
THE, UH, 18TH OF MARCH, WEDNESDAY 18TH OF MARCH.
UH, PLANNING COMMISSION FOR UPPER PROVINCE, STACIA.
AND WE'LL START WITH, UH, THE MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING, WHICH I THINK EVERYBODY HAS IN FRONT OF THEM.
UM, AND, UH, I'M SURE JEFF WILL LEAD, LEAD US WITH THROUGH SOME OF THIS.
I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT.
AND, UH, SO IS THERE A MOTION TO YOUR MOTION? ALRIGHT, BOSS MADE A MOTION ON THE SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR A AYE, RIGHT, SO WE MOVE BACK TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
OH, HERE COMES THE PUBLIC NOW REAL QUICK.
THAT'S WHEN WE GET ACCUSED OF DOING, YEAH, I KNOW.
I, I'LL YOU'RE COMING IN THE MEETING'S ON, SO PLEASE KEEP IT QUIET.
BUT, UH, THIS IS THE PUBLIC COMMENTS SECTION FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS. SO IF THERE'S ANYBODY HERE TO MAKE COM COMMENTS ON NON-AG AGENDA ITEMS, THIS IS YOUR TIME TO COME FORTH AND STATE YOUR CASE.
SO, DO I HAVE ANYBODY? THIS IS NON AGENDA.
[GENERAL DISCUSSION ITEMS]
SO, UM, OH, YOU GOT THE MINUTES DOWN HERE.GENERAL DISCUSSION IS, UM, THE FIRST THING WE GOTTA DO IS APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR FEBRUARY 4TH AND FEBRUARY 18TH.
WE DIDN'T HAVE A MARCH, UM, FIRST MEETING.
SO, UH, EVERYBODY, THEY'RE ATTACHED.
ANY COMMENTS, CHANGES, UPDATES TO THE, UH, MINUTES FROM THOSE TWO MEETINGS? FEBRUARY 4TH AND 18TH? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
THEN WE APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON FEBRUARY 4TH AND FEBRUARY 18TH.
JUDGE MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? YEAH, I'LL SECOND THAT ONE.
TOM, JERRY HAS SECOND IT ALL IN FAVOR A.
SO THAT BRINGS US TO RECOMMENDATION FOR DRAFT CONCEPT, OFFICIAL MAP TO RIGHT OF WAIT MAP.
UM, WE HAD TALKED AT THE LAST, UM, PLANNING, COMMISSION MEETING ON THE 18TH ABOUT THE UPDATES THAT WE'VE MADE.
WE WENT THROUGH THE SPECIFIC CHANGES WITH THE OFFICIAL MAP, BUT I WAS HAVING AN ISSUE WITH OUR PLOTTER, SO I DIDN'T HAVE LARGE COPIES.
YOU NOW HAVE THOSE IN FRONT OF YOU.
MAP IS ALSO NOW UNDER TOWNSHIP HEADING.
UM, I'VE CHANGED, I HAVEN'T CHANGED ANYTHING FROM THE BOWMAN MAP.
I'VE JUST SORT OF UPDATED THE BASE MAP AND, AND ALL OF THAT.
SO THE INFORMATION ON ON THE MAP IS THE SAME THAT YOU ALREADY RECOMMENDED FOR THE OFFICIAL MAP FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY MAP.
AND THE OFFICIAL MAP IS NOW COMPLETE WITH THE CHANGES WE MADE AT THE LAST MEETING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING.
AND SO AT THIS POINT, WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION.
THIS IS GONNA BE ON A HEARING IN APRIL, WHICH IS NOW SCHEDULED FOR APRIL 27TH.
THAT'S A WEEK LATER THAN YOUR TYPICAL, UH, UH, BOARD MEETING.
THEY HAVE SOME CONFLICT WITH SOME WITH A NATIONAL THING OR A STATE THING.
SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE HEARING THAT NIGHT.
I'LL GO THROUGH WHAT WE'VE DONE, WHY WE'VE DONE 'EM ON THE, ON BOTH OF THOSE MAPS, WHAT THE INFORMATION IS AND WHY WE NEED TO OFFICIALLY ADOPT 'EM NOW.
HAS THE COUNTY HAS TO PROVE THIS TO THE COUNTY HAS LOOKED AT THEM AND, AND WE HAVE A SIGN OFF LETTER ON BOTH OF THEM THAT THEY, THEY ARE HAPPY WITH THEM AND, AND THINK WE SHOULD ADOPT 'EM.
THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD RECOMMENDATION.
BRIAN, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT? ANY OF THOSE? NOPE, WE'RE ALL GOOD ON THOSE.
SO WE NEED TO, AGAIN, WHAT THESE MAPS DO IS ESPECIALLY THE OFFICIAL MAP AND, AND YEAH, DEFINITELY THE RIGHT WAY MAP, THE OFFICIAL MAP DESIGNATES AREAS THAT WE NEED THAT AS A PLANNING COMMISSION AND A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS RECOMMEND FOR CHANGE, RECOMMEND FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, RECOMMEND FOR, UM, OPEN SPACE PRESERVATION FOR LIKE, THAT IT SORT OF CODIFIES ALL OF THAT FOR US.
CERTAINLY DOESN'T LIMIT SOMEBODY IF THEY'RE IDENTIFIED ON THAT MAP AS A PIECE WE WANT FOR OPEN SPACE.
IT DOESN'T LIMIT THEM, DOESN'T LIMIT THEIR PROPERTY RIGHTS, BUT IT DOES LET THEM KNOW THAT, HEY, LOOK, IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT US, DEVELOP US TAKING A PRO, SELLING US BUYING A PROPERTY, MAYBE WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
SO, UM, NOW ON YOUR LEDGE, DO YOU KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE YELLOW WHAT? YELLOW IS THE OPEN SPACE THOUGH, RIGHT? YES.
THAT'S THE MAP YOU, I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS SUPPLE UPPER REPORT.
YEAH, I WAS LOOKING AT THE ONE THAT THE LOWER MAP IS, IS REALLY JUST SORT OF INFORMATIONAL THAT IT SHOWS THE PERSON LOOKING AT THE MAP, WHAT OTHER PROPERTY, WHAT OTHER OPEN SPACE IS ALREADY OWNED BY ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY, WHETHER THAT'S THE COUNTY OR THE STATE.
I GUESS THAT'S NOT A MUNICIPALITY,
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UM, BY ANOTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCY.SO THAT JUST SORT OF SHOWS WHAT ELSE IN THE TOWNSHIP IS, IS ALREADY PRESERVED.
IT'S MORE INFORMATIONAL THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
SO, UH, DO WE GET PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS IF YOU'D LIKE IT? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE, UH, OFFICIAL MAP AND UH, RIGHT OF WAY MAP? IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN SEE IT? NO.
WELL, I GUESS WE CAN'T COMMENT ON THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY WAY I THAT WAS A JOKE.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO SHOW THEIR, I I, I HAVE THEM UP HERE.
I'M SORRY I DIDN'T ADVANCE THE SLIDE.
UM, THEY WILL BE PUBLISHED AND SO IF YOU WANNA MAKE A COMMENT AT THE, AT THE BOARD MEETING, AT THE HEARING, YOU, YOU'RE WELCOME TO.
WE'VE HAD, THIS IS PROBABLY OUR THIRD OR FOURTH MEETING.
SO, UM, I, I DIDN'T MOST OF THE TIME IN THE AUDIENCE AND I REALIZE WHY WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE THIS TIME, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WILL MAKE IT OUT.
SO YOU, IF YOU WANNA MAKE A COMMENT BEFORE THE BOARD MAY, MAY OR MAY NOT ADOPT THIS.
IS IT ON THE WEBSITE? UH, THE DRAFTS ARE NOT, WELL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PART OF THE PACKET FOR THIS MEETING, BUT THEY WILL BE UP THERE ONCE THIS BOARD MAKES A RECOMMENDATION.
SO, UH, YEAH, I KNOW THAT'S THE FIRST TIME YOU SEE THIS.
SO I, I BEST THAT WE JUST LEAVE, UH, YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT IF YOU DON'T THIS THE FIRST TIME YOU'VE SEEN IT, IT MIGHT BE BEST TO LEAVE IT TILL, UH, TILL UH, YOU GET THE STUDY A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
'CAUSE YEAH, WE'VE HAD MEETINGS ON THIS ALL, ALL WINTER.
WE'VE ONLY SEEN THIS MAYBE THREE, FOUR TIMES.
WE MADE NUMBERS OF CHANGES AND, AND TENDED TENTATIVELY APPROVED IT WITHOUT HAVING SEEN THE, THE ENLARGED VERSION WE'D LIKE PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT MORE SUCCINCT, UH, DETAIL.
OTHER THAN THAT, THIS IS THE SAME, VIRTUALLY THE SAME PLAN THAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED, WE'VE DISCUSSED SEVERAL TIMES.
SO I'D LIKE TO, TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE BOTH THE, UH, SHIP OFFICIAL MET AND THE RIGHT OF WAY, MATT FOR, UH, APPROVAL AND SUBMISSION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
OH, WE GOT SOMEBODY ONCE WEEK.
I JUST HAVE A QUESTION 'CAUSE I CAN'T SEE IT.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, IS THIS THE ONE THAT HAS THE, UM, TRAILS ON IT OR? YEAH, THERE, IT, IT DOES HAVE SOME TRAILS ON THERE.
UM, BUT AS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION, WE'VE HAD PREVIOUSLY, WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF WRITING.
WE'VE HIRED AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT.
WE'VE GOT A GRANT FOR A NEW TRAILS MASTER PLAN.
SO WHILE THERE ARE TRAILS SHOWN ON THERE, THOSE TRAILS MAY CHANGE AS PART OF THAT MASTER PLAN.
AND ONCE THAT HAPPENS, WE WILL READOPT THIS MAP WITH THOSE TRAILS ON THERE.
I JUST NOTICED THE ONE THAT WAS IN THE PACKAGE, THAT IT DIDN'T HAVE A TRAIL OR PATH THAT WENT FROM THE DRIVE PELVIS AREA TO PAST THE ROUNDABOUT, EVERYWHERE ELSE SHOWED A TRAIL.
AND SO THAT THERE IS NO SIDEWALK THAT CAN GET YOU TO THAT AREA.
AND I WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY GONNA BE A DANGEROUS SITUATION THAT THERE'S COMPLETE COVERAGE FOR PEOPLE WALKING OR BIKES.
RIGHT NOW WE, WHAT WE PUT ON THERE WAS THE EXISTING TRAIL MASTER PLAN, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT LIMITED AND I, I, I AGREE THAT, THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A TRAIL IN THIS AREA.
I DIDN'T WANNA GO THROUGH AND MAKE A WHOLE BUNCH OF CHANGES AND, AND GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS WHEN WE HAVE A NEW FIRM THAT IS WORKING.
CAMPBELL THOMAS IS WRITING A NEW TRAIL MASTER PLAN FOR US.
SO I THINK WHEN THEY, UM, AT THE PARK BOARD MEETING IN MAY, THEY WILL COME AND THEY WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION.
YEAH, I WON'T BE HERE IN MAY, UNFORTUNATELY.
WELL THEY'LL DO ANOTHER THING IN JUNE.
PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO JOE'S MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE, UH, PASS THIS TO THE SUPERVISORS WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION TO ADOPT THESE TWO OFFICIAL MAPS.
HE MADE THAT, UH, AS, AS A, UH, AS A MOTION TO SIGN.
NEED A SECOND IF EVERYBODY AGREES? OR ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? YOU GIMME A SECOND.
NOTHING THEN ALL FAVOR OF, UH, THE MOTION TO THE SUPERVISORS.
OKAY, THEN WE'LL GO TO SUPERVISORS FOR THEIR ADOPTION.
SO THAT MOVES US DOWN TO PLAN ACCEPTANCE.
AS WE'VE BEEN DOING MORE RECENTLY.
NOW, UM, WHEN I GET A PLAN IN, I BRING IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND THAT SETS THE OFFICIAL START DATE OF THEIR MUNICIPALITIES PLANNING CLOCK.
EVERYTHING YOU SEE IS GOING TO BE WA THAT MUNICIPALITY'S PLANNING CLOCK IS GOING TO BE WAIVED 99% OF THE TIME.
WE HAVE ONE IN THE TOWNSHIP FOR LOVER'S LANE THAT ISN'T WAIVED AT THIS POINT, BUT THAT'S FOR ME TO MANAGE THAT PUTS THEM ON A CERTAIN TIMETABLE WHEN THEY HAVE TO GET APPROVALS.
ONCE THEY WAIVE THAT NPC REQUIREMENT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO REVIEW A PLAN OR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DOESN'T HAVE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ON A PLAN BY A CERTAIN DATE.
I STILL WANNA SET THOSE DATES OF ACCEPTANCE SO
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THAT WE HAVE A RECORD OF WHAT DATE THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS OFFICIALLY SET THE PLAN.BECAUSE THE WAY THE MPC IS WORDED IS YOU HAVE TO, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS TO ACCEPT A PLAN SUBMITTED TO MY OFFICE, UM, AT THE FIRST SCHEDULED MEETING AFTER THE SUBMISSION, OR 30 DAYS AFTER SUBMISSION.
THIS IS THE FIRST MEETING AFTER THAT SUBMISSION.
THIS PLAN AND THE PARK HOUSE PLAN WERE SUBMITTED A WEEK AGO.
SO IT FIT INTO THE SCHEDULE FOR THIS MEETING.
UM, PLANS DON'T BECOME OFFICIAL IN MY MIND UNTIL YOU ACCEPT THEM.
THIS IS AT THE REAR OF THE, UH, HIGH REAL ESTATE GROUP APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT AT PER CUMAN WOODS PER CUMAN BOULEVARD.
UH, IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT.
THEY ARE TAKING A 1.7, 1.4 ACRE PIECE FROM THEIR LARGER LOT, SUBDIVIDING IT INTO MINOR SUBDIVISION.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO CONVEY THAT LOT TO 13 BRIDAL LANE.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT 13 BRIDAL LANE IS THE OWNER OF THE LARGER PART, THE FULL OWNER OF THE LARGER PARCEL THEY'RE SELLING TO HIGH, BUT HAVE ASKED THEM TO CONVEY A POND AND, UM, SOME OPEN AREA BACK TO THEM.
THIS ISN'T AN AREA THAT AFFECTS THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE, THE HIGH COLLEGEVILLE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AT ALL.
UM, IT'S AN AREA THAT THEY HADN'T, THEY WERE NOT GONNA BE BUILDING ON ANYWAY.
IT'S AN AREA THAT THEY WERE GONNA BE LEAVING OPEN.
UM, TO ME, I, IT IT'S A MINOR SUBDIVISION.
WE'LL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE'LL REVIEW IT, WE'LL MAKE SURE IT COMPLIES WITH THE ORDINANCE FOR TO MAKE A, A COMPLIANT LOT.
PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC IMPACT.
AND WE WILL, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'LL BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU.
WE'LL PROBABLY RUN IT AT THE SAME TIME AS THE, THE HIGH REAL ESTATE GROUP FINAL PLAN THAT'S COMING IN.
I'VE HEARD THAT'S COMING IN ON THE 20TH.
SO THAT WILL BE, UM, WILL BE, HAVE THAT FOR APRIL 1ST FOR AN ACCEPTANCE IF IT COMES IN ON THE 20TH.
UM, THIS IS MUCH LIKE WHAT QUEST HAD TO DO.
WELL THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT 'CAUSE THEY'RE CONVEYING SOMEONE ELSE, BUT IT'S A MINOR SUBDIVISION.
IT'S REALLY NOT CREATING A NEW MOD.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY JUST SORT OF REARRANGING SOME LOT LINES.
SO OUR ROLE IS TO, UH, ACCEPT THEIR PLAN YEAH.
BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO PASS A MOTION OR ANYTHING.
'CAUSE YOU'RE, YOU GUYS HAVEN'T REVIEWED THIS AT ALL YET.
IT'S REALLY JUST INFORMATIVE TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT'S IN IT'S ON.
AND FOR ME, I CONSIDER THIS FOR MY OFFICE ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE.
WE CONSIDER TONIGHT, TODAY THE START DATE FOR THIS PLAN.
AND THEN YOU GUYS DO YOUR REVIEW WITH THE OTHER CONSULTANTS AND YOU'LL COME BACK TO US FOR THAT.
THIS AGAIN, WILL BE ON AN AGENDA PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, MAY JUNE.
SO, UM, THIS IS THE FIRST WE'RE SEEING IT TOO.
SO, BUT IF ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC HAS A COMMENT ON BIRDIE LANE.
THIS PERSON, WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT EITHER, SO WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU COULD COMMENT ON IT, BUT, UH, I'LL OPEN IT FOR COMMENTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S HERE FOR THIS REASON.
THEN WE'LL MOVE TO OUR BEST FRIEND.
WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? WELL, PARKHOUSE, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'VE HEARD OF PARKHOUSE.
UM, I'VE HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
THEY HAD PUT IN THEIR PRELIMINARY PLAN.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT ELSE TO SAY.
WE KNOW WHERE THE PROCESS HAS BEEN.
WE KNOW WHERE THE PROCESS IS GOING.
IT'S UM, IT IS NOW DOWN TO 549 UNITS.
THERE WAS 5 85 WAS THE AGREED UPON AMOUNT AT THE TENTATIVE SKETCH.
THAT'S WHAT THEY APPROVED THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY LOST THEM FROM.
IT IS DOWN HERE IN THIS LITTLE BOX IN THE CORNER.
UM, I, AGAIN, I'VE DISTRIBUTED THE PLAN TO, TO GILMORE ONLY BECAUSE THEY HAPPEN TO BE IN MY OFFICE ONE DAY AND THEY SAID, HEY, TAKE THESE WITH YOU.
'CAUSE IT'S A BIG SET OF PLANS.
WE HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY, WE HAVE A, A STORMWATER STUDY.
THEY'VE BEGUN THEIR REVIEW ON IT.
UM, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THIS WILL BE ON AN AGENDA.
IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE, THE REVIEW AND WHAT ISSUES THEY HAVE.
UM, BOB, BOB AND I ARE TALKING JUST HIM AND I.
'CAUSE THIS IS HIM AND I, UM, ABOUT, UM, ABOUT WELL GO ON BOB.
LET YOU YOU CHOOSE, LET YOU THROW YOURSELF UNDER THE BUS.
UM, BUT I WAS SUGGESTING, AND I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE EARLY TO EVEN PRESENT THIS, BUT I WAS THINKING OF MAKING A SUGGESTION TO THE SUPERVISORS THAT NOTHING, IF IT EVER GETS TO THE POINT OF BEING AN IMPROVED PLAN, DOESN'T START CONSTRUCTION TILL ALL THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS ARE COMPLETE.
ACTUALLY THE ROAD THAT WOULD YEAH, THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE, WELL, AGAIN, I I, I DON'T WANNA PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE.
I DON'T WANNA START DELIBERATING ANYTHING BECAUSE
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THE ATTORNEY FOR THEM IS GOING TO BE WATCHING THIS.UM, AND, AND, AND THE OWNER CERTAINLY WILL.
SO I DON'T, WE'RE NOT DELIBERATING ANYTHING.
YOUR SUGGESTION IS NOTED FOR THE RECORD, BOB.
WE'RE NOT GONNA SIT THERE AND TALK ABOUT ANY VALUE OF IT.
THE PLAN IS IN TODAY IS THE, TODAY IS THE ACCEPTANCE DATE.
I'VE DEEMED THE, THE, THE APPLICATION ADMINISTRATIVELY COMPLETE.
I HAVE THE CHECKS, I HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION I NEED TO START THE REVIEW.
SO, SO ADMINISTRATIVELY THEY ARE SET, THEY ARE, THEY'RE BEGINNING THE PROCESS AGAIN.
FOR THE NEXT LEVEL SKETCH PLAN.
NO, THEY'VE DONE, THEY'VE GOTTEN SKETCH PLAN APPROVAL.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK TO SKETCH PLAN TO DO 5 49.
THEY CAN, NUMBERS CAN CHANGE AND THINGS CAN CHANGE BETWEEN PRELIMINARY AND FINAL.
NOW THEIR AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWNSHIP IS THEY CAN'T GO ABOVE 585 BY A DEED RESTRICTIONS THEY PLACED ON THEMSELVES.
THAT WAS PART OF THE, THAT WAS PART OF THE WHOLE AGREEMENT NEGOTIATION THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA REHASH, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO OVER IT, IS WHAT IT IS AT THIS POINT.
IT, BUT THAT WAS THE NUMBER THAT THEY COULDN'T GO ABOVE TO BE DOWN LOWER IS OF ABSOLUTELY NO SURPRISE TO ME.
UM, BUT THAT'S IMMATERIAL TO THE WHOLE THING.
ALL WE CAN DO AT THIS POINT IS REVIEW IT AGAINST OUR STORMWATER, AGAINST OUR TRAFFIC AND ZONING RULES.
AND WE WILL GET MOVING ON THAT.
AND AT SOME POINT IN THE NEAR FUTURE, WE WILL HAVE THEM ON AN AGENDA.
THEY'LL BE ON AGENDA FOR, UH, WHAT BEING THE NEXT STEP, WHAT BEING THE NEXT STEP.
AND FOR THE AUDIENCE, WE STILL HAVE THE, UM, THE PARK HOUSE INFORMATION PAGE.
IT'S STILL LIVE ON THE WEBSITE.
I HAVE SENT THIS OVER TO OUR COMMUNICATIONS PERSON AND WITHIN A MINUTE I GOT AN EMAIL BACK THAT SHE'S OUT OF THE OFFICE TODAY AND TOMORROW.
SO IT WILL GO BACK UP THERE AT THIS PLAN.
THE STORMWATER PLAN, THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENT PLAN WILL GO ON THAT SITE.
IF YOU WERE GETTING NOTIFIED BEFORE, YOU'LL GET NOTIFIED AGAIN.
NONE OF THAT HAS CHANGED FROM THE PREVIOUS TIME WE WENT THROUGH ALL OF THIS.
UM, I, AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT, WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE PLAN.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY VALUE JUDGMENT ON THE PLAN AT THIS POINT.
BUT YOU WILL, INSTEAD OF FILING EVERY REFILING THEIR OWN RIGHT TO NO REQUEST, WHICH IS THE TYPICAL PROCESS, THE PARKHOUSE INFORMATION PAGE ON THE WEB, ON THE TOWNSHIP'S WEBSITE WILL STILL HAVE THIS LISTED AS A PLAN.
AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WAS LISTED IS STILL THERE.
SO YOU CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT ANY OF THE OLDER STUFF THAT YOU WANT TO.
SIMPLE QUESTION, COMMENT, NAME, AND ALL THAT STUFF.
HOLD, YOU GOTTA COME UP AS, AS HIS CALL.
UH, MY QUESTION IS, UH, THERE WAS SOME SPECULATION TO, AT SOME POINT OF A ROUNDABOUT BEING GOING, BEING PUT IN AT THE INTERSECTION OF ONE 13 SECOND AVENUE DRIVE BUS AND BLACKROCK ROAD.
UH, IS THAT STILL ANYWHERE IN CONSIDERATION IN ANY FORM? YES.
WHY IS THAT NOT SHOWN ON THAT DRAWING? SO THE ROUNDABOUT IS, UH, PART OF THE TOWNSHIPS, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
IT'S GOT GRANT FUNDS FROM PENDOT.
UH, SO THAT'S PART OF THE STUDY THAT I HAVE CRACKED OPEN, BUT HAVEN'T GOTTEN VERY FAR THROUGH, UH, AS FAR AS WHAT THEIR ASSUMPTIONS ARE, WHETHER THEY'RE ASSUMING THAT'S IN PLACE BEFORE THEY START, WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE NEEDING TO DO AS PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
ALL THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT ONCE WE GET THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE, THE STUDY.
BUT THE ROUNDABOUT IS STILL UNDER CONSIDERATION.
AND AND PART OF THAT ROUNDABOUT IS ALSO THE WINDING OF THAT BRIDGE ALONG BLACK ROAD.
WELL, WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT HAS TO BE REPLACED WELL, BUT THAT'S ALL PART OF THE, THEY'RE THEY'RE BOTH TOGETHER.
THE ROUNDABOUT AND THAT WIDENING THE BRIDGE ARE, AS PART OF THE CAPITAL PLAN, ARE LINKED TOGETHER BY PEN DIVING.
ARE THEY, ARE THERE ANY, ARE THERE ANY DRAWINGS AVAILABLE FOR THAT PARTICULAR PLAN? UH, OR, OR JUST AT, AT CONCEPT AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
YOU CAN PUT IN A RIGHT TO NO REQUEST AND WE CAN SEE WHAT WE HAVE.
OUR PREVIOUS TRAFFIC ENGINEER, I, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN HERE, BUT, UM, BRIAN'S WITH GILMORE ASSOCIATES.
HE'S OUR NEW TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
UM, BOWMAN HAD PUT TOGETHER A BASIC PLAN.
I DON'T KNOW HOW ENGINEERED IT WAS.
I DON'T EVEN WANT TO REALLY COMMENT ON HOW ENGINEERED IT WAS, BUT THEY HAVE A PLAN TOGETHER THAT SHOWS A LOT OF THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ON THE WEBSITE, BUT IT'S BEEN OUT.
I MEAN, WE CERTAINLY HAD PUBLISHED IT BEFORE WITH OTHER THINGS.
THEY HAD IT ON THEIR TENTATIVE PLAN AT ONE POINT IN TIME.
I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S NOT ON THIS PLAN.
THAT'S A DISCUSSION FOR THEM WHEN THEY GET IN HERE.
AND THAT'S WHEN WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
IF YOU WANT PUT IN A RIGHT TO NO REQUEST FOR ANY PLANS FOR THE BLACKROCK AND SECOND AVENUE, UH, ROUNDABOUT.
WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHAT THE LATEST PLAN IS AND WE'LL GET IT TO YOU.
UM, THE PARK HOUSE DEVELOPMENT, ARE THEY GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY OF THE FINANCIAL ASPECTS OF THAT ROUNDABOUT
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ITSELF? WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH THAT PROCESS.ALL WE'RE DOING IS ACCEPTING THE PLAN TONIGHT.
I GOT ANYTHING, ANYTHING ELSE IS, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT.
I MEAN, I, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE VAGUE.
I'M NOT TRYING TO, I KNOW THAT EVERYTHING'S SO YOU'RE HIDING SOMETHING.
WE HAVE A TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT'S THIS THICK AND HE'S HAD IT A WEEK.
HE, LIKE HE SAID, BARELY CRACKED IT.
WE'LL KEEP EVERYTHING OUT IN THE PUBLIC.
THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENT PLAN WILL GO ON THE WEBSITE TOMORROW OR, OR FRIDAY JUST DEPENDING ON WHEN OUR COMMUNICATION AND OUR WEBSITE PERSON GETS TO IT.
'CAUSE I WOULD END UP TAKING MY WHOLE WEBSITE DOWN IF I EVEN TOUCHED IT.
SO, UM, I JUST WANT, I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE OF WHAT WAS AVAILABLE AND WHAT WASN'T.
AND, AND, AND THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
THEIR TRAFFIC IMPACT PLAN OR TRAFFIC IMPACT PLAN.
I NEVER GET THE INITIALS RIGHT.
THEN THAT WILL BE ON THE WEBSITE FOR YOU TO LOOK AT.
NOW, THE FIRST 10 PAGES, A ALL THAT'S REALLY GONNA MATTER.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS A WHOLE BUNCH OF CHARTS TO MAKE NO SENSE TO ME.
AND I THINK COMMENTING THAT BOB'S COMMENTED A LITTLE EARLIER IS THIS IS THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, AS A, AS A SUPER COMMISSION, WE'RE COGNIZANT OF NEEDING TO DO ROAD IMPROVEMENTS FOR WHATEVER HAPPENS.
OH, I UNDERSTAND THAT COMPLETELY.
SO, SO HOW, HOW THAT ALL HAPPENS.
THE, THE, THE ROUNDABOUT, ALTHOUGH NECESSARY, UH, FOR EXISTING CONDITIONS CERTAINLY WAS COMPOUNDED EXPONENTIALLY WITH THAT TYPE OF A DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEY SHOULD BE ON THE HOOK FOR A PARTICULAR, MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY ALL OF IT, BUT A DEFINITELY A PARTICULAR PORTION OF IT.
AND THAT SHOULD BE BUILT INTO THE APPROVAL GBD WELL, WELL, JEFF, WAS IT, IS IT, IS IT MY RECOLLECTION THAT THE CONTINGENCY OF THE PLAN THAT THE PARKHOUSE PEOPLE HAVE PUT FORWARD WAS NOT BASED ON THE ROAD APPROVAL? THAT'S A STATE PROJECT.
ISN'T THAT? WELL, STATE'S RUNNING THAT SECOND AVENUE, BLACK PARK ROAD ARE STATE PROJECTS OR STATE ROADS, STATE ROAD.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE SAY IN WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE ROADS THAN WE NECESSARILY WILL.
WE ARE GONNA HAVE MORE, SAY YEAGER ROAD.
IS THAT THEM OR US? BRIAN? THAT'S US.
SO WE WILL HAVE MORE SAY IN THOSE.
AGAIN, ALL OF THIS AND THIS PLAN THAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU, I CAN ALMOST GUARANTEE YOU IS NOT WHAT'S GONNA GET APPROVED WHEN THEY GET TO THE FI WHEN THEY GET THE PRELIMINARY PLAN.
IF THEY GET TO THAT POINT OF GETTING AN APPROVAL, THINGS ARE GONNA CHANGE.
THINGS ARE GONNA CHANGE BETWEEN THIS PLAN AND THE FINAL PLAN.
IT'S AN EVOLUTION OF THE PROCESS.
RIGHT NOW WE ARE JUST ACCEPTING IT.
ACCEPTING IT, AND LOOKING AT IT.
THEY, THEY GAVE ME A WAIVER SO I DON'T HAVE A CLOCK.
I MEAN, THANK GOD, IF NOT, WE'D HAVE TO DO ALL THIS IN THREE MONTHS AND WE'D ALL PULL OUR HAIR OUT.
WHAT TIME, WHAT TIMEFRAME DOES THIS HAVE TO BE COMPLETED IN? WE DON'T HAVE A TIMEFRAME BECAUSE THEY'VE WAIVED THE MPC.
NOW, IF I'VE MADE THEM ANGRY OVER THIS TAPE TONIGHT AND THEY'VE LISTENED TO IT, THEY GIVE ME A LETTER THAT SAYS, UH, WE WANNA REMOVE OUR WAIVER, THEN WE HAVE 90 DAYS TO APPROVE OR DENY IT.
ANYBODY ELSE WANNA MAKE COMMENTS? AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW MUCH, SO LET'S BE WE COGNIZANT OF THAT.
UH, MY PROPERTY'S UP IN THE, IN THE CORNER.
I I HAVE THIS PLAN WITH THEIR, I'VE GOT LIKE FIVE ENCROACHMENTS ON THEIR PROPERTY, UH, FROM MY PROPERTY.
SO, UH, THERE'S A SHED SHED PAD THAT'S BEEN THERE.
I I, I'M SORRY, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO SPECIFICS.
WE UNDERSTAND WHERE YOUR HOUSE IS.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'VE DRAWN AND THEY MAY BE IMPINGING ON YOUR PROPERTY.
THOSE THINGS WILL BE SORTED OUT.
I, I DON'T WANNA, THAT'S HOW I FEEL THAT THEY'RE IMPINGING.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
AND, AND I'M NOT, I DON'T WANNA MAKE ANY ASSUMPTIONS BECAUSE ALL WE'RE DOING IS I GOT YOU ACCEPTING THE PLAN.
AND, AND I UNDERSTAND IF, IF YOU WANNA SAY IT, THIS PLANNING COMMISSION SHOULDN'T BE COMMENTING ON IT.
WE SHOULDN'T BE COMMENTING ON IT BECAUSE THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE TO DEFEND THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY.
SO JUST WHILE I'M UP HERE, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE THE INTERSECTION OF OLD STATE AND SECOND AVENUE AND BLOCK THE CURRENT INTERSECTION OFF.
OTHERWISE THERE'S A LITTLE FEEDER ROAD KIND OF PRIVATIZING THOSE THREE DRIVEWAYS, MY DRIVEWAY AND THE TWO NEIGHBORS MM-HMM
UM, AND THEN BRING IT OUT DOWN THERE RIGHT ONTO SECOND AVENUE.
DOES THAT, AND THEN YOU CAN'T COMMENT ON IT, BUT, WELL, WE DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT'S, IT SEEMS LIKE IT MAKES SENSE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
WE, WE DON'T, WE HAVEN'T, WE DON'T KNOW IF I'M JUST HELD, THERE WAS DISCUSSION.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THIS PROPERTY.
I I, I WOULD LIKE TO, GOD BLESS YOU.
I'D LIKE TO APPROVE IT AND MAKE IT BEAUTIFUL.
WELL, WE HAD THE ORIGINAL BEATINGS YEAR AGO OR WHATEVER IT WAS
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WASN'T, MY RECOLLECTION WAS WE TALKED ABOUT THEM BUILDING, YOU KNOW, RIDING OFF THAT CORNER AND COMING IN BEHIND YOUR PROPERTY.NOW, IF THAT'S WHAT THIS ATTEMPTED DRAWING IS, I DON'T, I WAS, I WAS TOLD I WOULD BE SHOWN THIS MAP.
OH, UH, I GUESS TWO YEARS AGO.
UH, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I, I SAW IT THE OTHER NIGHT.
UM, SO IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING THAT WAY.
I KNOW WE HAVE, THERE'S WINDING OLD STATE ROAD.
IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, THE, YOU TALKED ABOUT WIDENING OLD STATE ROAD THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THAT'S RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF MY GARAGE.
SO AS A TOWNSHIP, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE TOWNSHIP.
I'M WORRIED ABOUT OC I MEAN, WE, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE DEVELOPER.
LIKE, WE CAN TAKE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO RESPOND TO IT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE PLANS.
I'M, I'M TRYING TO SUPPORT YOU.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO CUT THEM OFF.
I JUST, WE, I'M GOING KEEP, SO I DON'T EVEN THINK, I MEAN YEAH, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO RESPOND.
AGAIN, MY JOB HERE IS TO PROTECT THEM FROM LITIGATION.
SO I CAN JEFF, JEFF, YOU KEEP REFERRING TO.
I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT OF EMOTIONS.
I WANT TO HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT 'CAUSE I WASN'T HERE BEFORE.
JEFF, THE APPLICATION IS NOT IN FRONT OF YOU.
THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO DISCUSS THE APPLICATION.
THIS IS THE TIME TO ACCEPT THE APPLICATION.
WE'RE DOING THIS BECAUSE IT'S A PURELY ADMINISTRATIVE MATTER.
AND WHILE IT'S GREAT THAT THEY HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PUBLIC COMMENT, THEN LET MAKE IT.
BUT IT IS, IT IS DELVING INTO A PART WHERE WE'RE GETTING INTO SPECIFIC DETAILS WE DON'T NEED TO GET INTO BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY UNDERSTANDING OF THEM.
ALL YOU'RE, SO WHAT, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO MOVING FORWARD HERE, TO KEVIN'S POINT, TO JEFF'S POINT, YOU COME UP, MAKE THE COMMENT, YOU GET THREE MINUTES AND THAT'S IT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA COMMENT, WE'RE NOT GONNA ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR WE'RE NOT GONNA GIVE YOU ANY KIND OF FEEDBACK AT ALL, BECAUSE IT'S JUST ALREADY WE'RE ABOUT THIS THING.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, AND THEN WE'RE NOT GONNA COMMENT OR MAKE ANY SUGGESTIONS OR FEEDBACK AT ALL.
AND, AND UNDERSTOOD, UH, FIVE MINUTES AGO.
SO, UH, JUST COMMENTING ON THE, THE PLAN.
UH, I'M, I'M, I'M SEEING IT AS RIGHT NOW, MY PROPERTY'S NOT BEING TOUCHED.
UH, I'M NOT GONNA HAVE TO RELOCATE HIM.
UH, THAT'S THE WAY I'M, I'M LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW.
I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THE ROAD GOING BEHIND THE PROPERTY.
UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SOME CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THE PLAN IS.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT IS A BOXED IN PROPERTY.
IT'S, IT'S BEING, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING GOING ON AROUND THE ENTIRE THING.
SO, UH, AND THAT'S MY COMMENT, JUDGE.
UH, THE COMMENT I HAVE, UH, AND KIND OF TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF, UH, WHAT MR. HOFFMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE CIRCLE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, BECAUSE AT THE LAST PRESENTATION THAT THE PARK HOUSE PEOPLE MADE, UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION, I THINK ON THE SUPERVISOR'S LEVEL AS WELL ABOUT THE ROAD THAT'S COMING OUT ONTO, UH, ONE 13 BLACKROCK ROAD THERE.
AND, UM, ALL THE ROADS THAT ARE EXITING OUT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO AS YOU GUYS GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, AS A PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, SOME THINGS THAT I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT, NOT FOR US EXISTING RESIDENTS WHO LIVE AROUND THIS PROPERTY, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO LIVE IN THIS PROPERTY AND LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
I MEAN, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS PLAN, TO ME THERE'S SOME CIRCULATION ISSUES.
AND I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, SAFETY VEHICLES GETTING IN AND OUT OF THIS PROPERTY.
AMBULANCES, FIRE POLICE, UH, DELIVERY VEHICLES, AMAZON TRUCKS, FEDEX TRUCKS, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
EVEN THE POSTAL DELIVERY, UM, TRASH TRUCKS.
WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR COLLECTING TRASH FROM 420 INDIVIDUAL UNITS? YOU KNOW, IS THERE A PLAN FOR A COMMUNITY COLLECTION SYSTEM? ALL THESE THINGS THAT I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE NOT GONNA ANSWER BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWERS YET.
BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS I THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS TO REALLY DELVE INTO WHEN WE MOVE
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FORWARD WITH, OR WHEN YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REVIEW OF THIS, UH, PLAN.WHO ELSE? CAN WE KEEP ANOTHER CONVERSATIONS TO A MINIMUM? YEAH, GUYS, PLEASE.
HI, SUSAN DENBY, 1 3 5 BENNINGTON ROAD.
UM, I WOULD ASK YOU TO ALSO CONSIDER WITH THE SPEAKING ON THE ROADS THAT THE CON THINKING ABOUT WHERE THE, UM, BRIDGE IS THAT'S GONNA BE REBUILT AND THE EGRESS FROM THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, HOW CLOSE, UH, IT IS TO THEN THE ROUNDABOUT.
AND OFTENTIMES ROUNDABOUTS ARE CHALLENGING TO GET AROUND BECAUSE YOU, YOU'RE GOING AROUND A CURVE.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT'S COMING OUT.
I DO SEE THAT IT'S, IT'S UP MAYBE AWAY FROM THE ROUNDABOUT, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE DRAWING THAT IT'S ACROSS FROM THE DR THE RIVERSIDE AT PROVIDENCE ROAD, THAT IS AN EMERGENCY ACCESS ROAD.
SO IT'S LIKE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM IT.
AND THAT'S CONCERNING BECAUSE, UH, TWO PEOPLE CAN ACCIDENTALLY GO ACROSS THE STREET AND THEN THINK THAT'S A ROAD.
WE'VE GOT 400 SOME UNITS THERE TIMES TWO PEOPLE DRIVING, THAT'S 800 CARS THAT HAVE TO GET OUT AND A SHORT OR IN A, NOT SURE, BUT A FEW PLACES I CAN SEE THEM EASILY WANTING TO CROSS THE STREET AND GO THROUGH AT THAT NIGHT, PER SE OR SO I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IT DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM AN EMERGENCY ROAD THAT THEY MIGHT THINK THAT THEY COULD CUT THROUGH THERE.
SO JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
AND ALSO, WHAT I REALLY COULDN'T TELL FROM THIS PLAN, AND IF YOU COULD REALLY PAY ATTENTION TO IT AS YOU'RE REVIEWING IT, THE DRAINAGE, THE BASINS THAT IN OUR DEVELOPMENT, WE ONLY HAVE 33 HOUSES AND WE HAVE SOME, SOME LARGE BASINS THAT HAVE TO HOLD WATER.
AND I REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NEW TECHNOLOGY IN HOW TO DO THAT, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A STEEP HILL HERE.
AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
SO IT DOESN'T REALLY SHOW THAT THERE'S MUCH OPEN SPACE AT THE SOUTH SOUTHEAST END.
AND THAT'S THE WAY THE WATER FLOWS.
YOU CAN SEE THE GOALIES THAT ARE THERE NOW, NOW THEY SAY LAND DEVELOPMENT IMPROVES THAT.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA RAISE THAT RED FLAG HERE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER AS YOU'RE REVIEWING ALL OF THIS, THAT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE DON'T FLOOD OURSELVES OUT.
AND WE'VE GOT A ROUNDABOUT GOING ON AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF DENSITY HAPPENING HERE WHERE THERE'S, THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THE WATER TO GO.
AND THEN THE ONE LAST THING I HAVE IS BUFFERS.
I DON'T REALLY SEE MUCH OF A BUFFER, UH, AROUND THIS, ESPECIALLY ON THAT SOUTHEAST END.
THERE'S PLENTY AT THE NORTH, THE NORTHWEST AND, AND THAT END.
SO I, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT TOO, BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.
UH, THAT HAS BEEN NOTED THAT THAT PARKHOUSE DEVELOPMENT IS NOW ACCEPTED AND HAS MOVED ON TO THE, UH, TO THE NEXT STAGE.
[APPLICATIONS TO BE HEARD ON MARCH 18, 2026: NONE]
WITH THAT WE MOVE ON TO APPLICATIONS TO BE HEARD ON MARTIN.I KNOW THEY'VE ASSURED US THEY'RE GONNA BE IN TWICE NOW, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THEY'RE GONNA GET THERE THIS TIME.
UH, LOVER'S LANE IS ALSO GOING TO BE LIKELY TO BE ON THAT AGENDA.
I THINK THEY'RE FAIRLY CLOSE TO HAVING A LETTER.
AND, UH, TOM FOUND OUT IN THE LAST MEETING, THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL IS NOW MEETING IN MAY.
UM, I HAVE THE DATE LONG ON HERE.
SO, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING THAT DATE.
AND THAT DATE WILL BE REPUBLISHED FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
JUST, JUST FOR, UH, UH, EDIFICATION.
JEFF, WHAT? THE BLACKROCK QUEST DEVELOPMENT, THE BUILDING'S GONE.
WHERE, WHAT ARE THEY COMING IN FOR NOW? THEY'RE COMING IN FOR FINAL FINAL.
THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE A FINAL LAND DEVELOPMENT.
EVERYTHING SHOULD, WILL NEED TO BE CLEANED UP IN TERMS OF TOWNSHIP COMMENTS.
I THINK TYPICALLY AT THAT STAGE, DEVELOPMENTS WILL STILL HAVE TO GET THEIR HOP, WHICH IS THEIR HIGHWAY OCCUPANCY PERMIT AND THEIR MPDS PERMIT.
BUT AS BRIAN IS ABOUT TO SAY, THEY ALREADY HAVE THOSE, TYPICALLY THEY GET THEM AFTER
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FINAL BECAUSE THEY'RE WORKING STUFF.I WILL DEPEND ON, THEY'VE WORKED THROUGH ALL OF THOSE, ALL OF THAT PROCESS AND ALREADY HAVE THOSE APPROVALS FROM THE OUTSIDE AGENCIES.
NOW, THAT'S NOT THE NORMAL PROCESS THOUGH, RIGHT? NO.
YOU, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO SET PROCESS.
THEY CAN DO IT AT ANY POINT IN TIME.
THIS PROPERTY OWNER, THIS DEVELOPER, LIKES TO GET THINGS WRAPPED UP NEATLY ALL AT ONCE.
BECAUSE I THINK I REMEMBER JOE QUESTIONING, WHICH I THINK IT WAS YOU, JOE.
RIGHT? BUT, AND YOU SAID THERE WAS NO REQUIREMENT THEY COULD TEAR DOWN ANYTHING THEY WANT.
RIGHT? THEY CAN, THEY CAN PUT IN A DEMOLITION PERMIT AT ANY POINT IN TIME.
NOW, ON MONDAY'S MEETING OF THE SUPERVISORS, WE DID ENTER INTO A TREE REPLACEMENT AGREEMENT WITH THAT, WITH HT 1201 COLLEGEVILLE MULTI-FAMILY, OR COLLEGEVILLE, WHATEVER THE TITLE OF THE COMPANY IS.
THEY, UM, I ALSO, FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT, I CANNOT CONTROL WHEN PEOPLE TAKE DOWN A TREE OFF ONE PROPERTY OR IF THEY TAKE DOWN A WHOLE LOT OF TREES OFF PROPERTIES.
WE DON'T HAVE A TREE PROTECTION ORDINANCE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY REQUIREMENTS FOR TREE REPLACEMENT.
THEY WANNA START TAKING DOWN TREES BEFORE THEY HAVE RECORDED PLANS.
TYPICALLY, THAT WASTES UNTIL CONSTRUCTION.
UM, WE SAID, LOOK, IF SOMETHING, IF THE BOTTOM WERE TO FALL OUT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, YOU'VE TAKEN DOWN ALL THE TREES.
WE DON'T WANT TO COMPLETELY DU THE LOT.
SO IF, IF YOU'VE TAKEN DOWN ALL THE TREES, YOU CAN DO THAT.
BUT WE'D LIKE TO ENTER A NEW AGREEMENT SAYING THAT IF YOU HAVEN'T STARTED CONSTRUCTION IN TWO YEARS, THAT YOU HAVE TO REPLACE THE TREES.
AND WE, WE GIVE 'EM A NUMBER OF TREES THEY HAVE TO REPLACE.
SO THEREFORE IT PROTECTS US SOMEWHAT.
YOU MAY SEE THE SAME AGREEMENT WITH HIGH, BECAUSE HIGH ISN'T SORT OF THE SAME POSITION.
THERE'S A, A NEW BAT IN THE AREA.
FISH AND GAME IS LIMITING WHEN TREES CAN BE TAKEN DOWN.
AND THAT'S PUTTING A LIMITATION ON WHEN DEVELOPMENTS CAN HAPPEN BECAUSE THERE'S A NESTING PERIOD.
THERE'S A CERTAIN BAT THAT IS NOW NESTING IN THE EMERALD ASH IN THE, IN THE, IN THE ASH TREES THAT WERE DECIMATED BY THE EMERALD ASH FOUR.
SO RIDGE LANES COMING IN FOR THEIR PRELIMINARY, THEY'RE COMING IN FOR, FOR EVERYTHING.
THEY DON'T HAVE TENTATIVE YET.
AND THEY DECIDED TO OPT FOR PRELIMINARY AND MOVE FORWARD WITH PRELIMINARY.
AND WHILE THEY WERE DOING THAT, THEY JUST OPTED TO MOVE ALL THE WAY INTO FINAL.
SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR ALL THREE APPROVALS.
I'M NOT GONNA, YEAH, WE'LL WAIT UNTIL THAT COMES IN AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT.
UM, AND, UH, ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? THE COMMISSION FOR, FOR MAY? UH, I DON'T KNOW.
JUNE MIGHT BE A LITTLE HEAVY FOR US BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH PARKHOUSE.
IT DEPENDS ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH, UM, UM, THE, THE APARTMENTS, THE MULTIFAMILY, THE H THE HIGH APARTMENTS ON PROCUREMENT BOULEVARD.
UM, A LOT OF THAT DEPENDS ON WHERE THOSE ARE.
BUT SPOTLESS CAR WASH IS STILL OUT THERE.
UH, THE NINE LOT SUBDIVISION ON MITE ROAD IS STILL OUT THERE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE AGENDA, WE ACTUALLY HAVE, IT'S PROBABLY ALMOST, IT'S PROBABLY A RECORD.
WE HAVE 10 ACTIVE LAND DEVELOPMENTS AND WE'VE JUST ADDED TWO MORE.
SO, SO, UH, JUST A COUPLE UPDATES.
UH, WHAT ABOUT THE, UH, UH, THE SCHOOL, UH, BY KEVIN? WHAT'S IT, WHAT'S THAT CALLED AGAIN? ONE 40 WHITAKER? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH PRELIMINARY PLANS AND WE SHOULD HAVE PLANS FAIRLY SOON.
SO THEY'RE STILL ON BOOKS? YES.
THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE AN ACTIVE APPLICATION, SO THEY DON'T SHOW UP ON THE LIST.
UM, WE'LL START FROM THE BOTTOM.
THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH FINAL PLAN ISSUES.
I THINK THEY'RE WORKING ON BRIDGE DESIGN AND, UM, OTHER SORT OF PENDO ISSUES.
AMELIA STREET, I GUESS THEY'RE STILL REDESIGNING FOR THAT SITE.
SO THEY HAVE TO GET COM COMPLETELY REVIEWED.
I KNOW SPARES LANE WAS ACCEPTED OUR LAST MEETING.
UM, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THEY ARE IN THE REVIEW PROCESS, BUT THAT HAS TO GET CLEANED UP.
MENNONITE ROAD IS PRELIMINARY, BUT ASKING FOR FINAL, SO THAT MEANS THAT THEY CAN DO THAT.
IT'S NOT UP, IT'S UP TO THE SUPERVISORS TO WAIVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAN AND JUST TO GIVE THEM FINAL.
BUT IF THEY DO THAT, THEY HAVE TO COME IN WITH A COMPLETELY CLEAN LADDER WHERE THEY HAVE NO MORE COMMENTS.
UM, SPRING FORWARD WALK IS IN REDESIGN.
SPOTLESS CAR WASH IS, THEY'RE ASKING, THEY'RE PRELIMINARY ASKING FOR FINAL.
SO AGAIN, THAT LETTER NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP AND, AND WORKED THROUGH PROSPERITY DRIVE.
UM, YOU'VE KNOWN AS FORMALLY KNOWN AS CATALYST.
THEY, UM, THEY'VE ASKED TO CHANGE THE NAME.
THEY ARE, AGAIN, THEY'RE DOING THE SAME THING ASKING PARY THROUGH FINAL, UM, WHICH ISN'T FOR SOME OF THESE LAND DEVELOPMENTS.
IT'S A LITTLE, UM, IT'S FOR SMALLER LAND DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS ONE, IT'S A BIG BUILDING, BUT IT IS ONE LOT.
SO, UM, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT LOVER'S LANE AND QUEST AS WE TALKED ABOUT FOR OUR NEXT MEETING.
AND THEN YOU GOT A COUPLE ON HERE THAT AREN'T ON HERE BUT COULD BE COMING BACK.
YEAH, WELL THESE TWO WILL GET PUT ON THIS LIST TOMORROW MORNING.
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HIGH WILL BE COMING IN.THE LAST I HEARD WAS THE 20TH AND ONE 40 WHITAKER SHOULD BE ON THAT DEAL.
SO, AND HASAN ROAD'S DONE RIGHT.
HASAN WELL HA HASAN ROAD'S COMING BACK.
SO MONDAY HASAN ROAD PRESENTED A PLAN TO THE SUPERVISORS WHERE THEY MOVED TO THE BUILDINGS FROM THOSE REAR LOGS.
THERE'S TWO BACKLOGS TO THE TWO BACKLOGS UP TO THE ROAD.
THERE'S STILL IMPINGING ON SOME STEEP SLOPES, BUT THEY ARE, UM, THEY ARE, THEY ARE.
UM, THEY HAD MOVED THE HOUSES.
THEY'VE GOTTEN RID OF THE LONG WINDING DRIVEWAY.
THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS LIKED IT.
I I, NOT TO PUT WORDS IN THEIR MOUTH, BUT THEY WERE GENERALLY COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
THEY, THEY FELT BETTER ABOUT THAT PLAN.
DO YOU THINK I'M SAYING ANYTHING OUT OF TURN? THEY WERE COMFORTABLE.
THEY WERE COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
UM, BUT THEY DO WANT IT TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO MY GUESS IS THAT MIGHT BE ON APRIL 15TH.
AND, AND, AND ALSO, UH, GILMORE ASSOCIATES NEEDS TO RIGHT.
LOOK AT THE STEEP SLOPE ISSUES THAT WE ALL HAD CONCERNS ABOUT AS WELL.
SO THAT'S ALL PART OF THAT RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? IS THAT GILMORE LOOK AT IT AS WELL AS GETTING THE, THE FUNDING COMMISSION'S APPROVAL YES.
AND, AND THEN THE, UM, RIDGE PIPE OR RIDGE ROAD, UH, DISCUSSIONS WE'VE BEEN HAVING.
WE WE WE DIDN'T HAVE IT THIS TIME.
UM, BUT UH, WHERE'S THAT? WHERE WE AT WITH THAT? WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH IT.
MY WORKLOAD'S BEEN A LITTLE HEAVIER, SO I HAVEN'T GOTTEN QUITE TO IT AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE TO, BUT, BUT THAT'S STILL ON MY RADAR.
UM, IF YOU NOTICE THIS AFTERNOON LATER IN THE DAY, I SENT AN EMAIL TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ABOUT ATTENDING THE BOARD WORKSHOP.
THE BOARD IS TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER SOME WORKSHOPS ON MOSTLY BUDGET MATTERS.
WE HAD OUR FIRST WORKSHOP ON GRANTS AND LOANS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE, WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED.
AND YOU KNOW, WHERE THE FUNDING IS GONNA COME FOR THE MATCH AND WHICH PROJECTS ARE PRIORITY, WHAT THE WINDOW IS FOR SOME OF THESE GRANTS.
SO IF WE CAN PUT SOMETHING OFF FOR THE THIRD YEAR, WE'LL DO THAT.
IF WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING RIGHT AWAY, WE'LL DO THAT.
THAT'S A BOARD DISCUSSION ON THAT TIMING.
BUT NOW THE NEXT STEP, THE NEXT POINT IS GOING TO BE FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT AND LAND DEVELOPMENT POLICY.
WE'RE NOT GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFIC LAND DEVELOPMENTS IN TERMS OF THIS LAND DEVELOPMENT NEEDS THIS APPROVAL.
IT'S MORE LIKE 1000 CAMPUS DRIVE IS GENERALLY STILL EMPTY.
YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT? IF I GET, YOU KNOW, BRIDGET CAMP, THE BRIDGET COLLEGEVILLE, WHAT SORT OF DEVELOPMENT? AND MOSTLY SO THAT I CAN BECOME, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN BECOME A FILTER FOR THE BOARD.
THAT IF THE BOARD TELLS ME, LOOK, WE ABSOLUTELY DON'T WANNA APPROVE ANOTHER APARTMENT IN THIS TOWNSHIP.
I CAN SAY THAT ANYBODY WHO CALLS ME AND SAYS, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT THAT REZONING.
I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN STILL PUT THE APPLICATION, BUT THE BOARD WILL NEVER PUT YOU ON AN AGENDA.
AND I CAN LET THE, IT MAKES MY JOB A LITTLE EASIER BECAUSE THEN I'M NOT DRAGGING DEVELOPERS OUT HERE TO A MEETING WITH ME AND THEN A MEETING WITH YOU AND THEN A MEETING WITH THE BOARD FOR HAVING THEM SHOOT YOU DOWN OR SHOOT THEM DOWN OR HAVE ISSUES AND GO BACK AND FORTH.
IT'S A MUCH CLEANER PROCESS IF I CAN GET LAND USE POLICY FROM THEM MOVING FORWARD.
THAT'S ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE HAVE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT MAKES OUR EVERYBODY'S LIVES A LITTLE BIT EASIER.
WE LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION THERE SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHERE THE BOARD IS AND THAT YOU'RE, ANY INPUT YOU HAVE TOWARDS LAND USE AND THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF WHATEVER'S LEFT AND REDEVELOPMENT OF WHATEVER'S HERE, YOU HAVE AN INPUT TO THAT BECAUSE YOU ARE STILL A RECOMMENDING BODY.
THEY STILL WANNA KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.
SO IF YOU COULD COME TO THAT MEETING, LET ME KNOW THAT THE 25TH.
WE'LL, THOSE OF US WILL BE THERE.
MAYBE THE AGENDA IS VERY SIMPLE.
I'M GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT SOME ORDINANCE CHANGES FOR HALF AN HOUR AND THEN THE REST OF THE TIME IS REALLY LAND USE POLICY.
AND WHAT'S OUR ROLE IN ALL THIS? JUST LISTENING TO LEARNING, LISTENING, LEARNING, CONTRIBUTING.
WHEN YOU WANT TO CONTRIBUTE, I MEAN, YOU HAVE, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOICE WHATEVER OPINIONS WE HAVE.
WELL, AND YOU HAVE, YOU PROBABLY HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF WHAT LAND USES AND HOW LAND DEVELOPMENT WORKS IN THIS TOWNSHIP THAN ANYBODY ELSE BECAUSE YOU GET, GOD HELP US, YOU GET THE NITTY GRITTY OF IT MORE SO THAN THE BOARD DOES.
YOU'VE BECOME A FILTER FOR THE BOARD.
NOW THEY HAVE TO MAKE THE HARDER DECISIONS 'CAUSE THEY'RE ACTUALLY MAKING DECISIONS.
YOU ARE JUST MAKING A RECOMMENDATION, WHICH I'M NOT SAYING IS NOT DIFFICULT, BUT IT IS LITTLE LESS ON THE LINE THAN THEY HAVE TO MAKE.
SO THEY HAVE TO PUSH WITH THAT A LITTLE BIT.
THAT ALWAYS BECOMES A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A THING.
BUT YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR ROLE AND YOU UNDERSTAND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS TOWNSHIP AS WELL AS ANYBODY ELSE, IF NOT BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
SO YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH IT FROM THIS LEVEL.
YOU'VE ALL BEEN RESIDENTS FOR QUITE A NUMBER OF YEARS.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE HIM FOR QUITE A NUMBER OF YEARS.
HE'S THE NEWBIE, BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
AND WE, UM, WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANT YOU TO CONTRIBUTE.
WE WANT YOU TO PUT YOUR 2 CENTS IN WITH THE BOARD SO THAT THEY KNOW WHERE YOU ARE.
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SO I THINK WE'LL PLAN TO BE THERE, HOPEFULLY.UM, SO WE HAVE 13 ACTIVE, IF YOU COUNT, THE LAST ONE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT HAS SOME HASIN ROAD.
SO 13 ACTIVE APPLICATIONS, TWO MORE THAT ARE QUEUED UP HASSEN.
AND ALSO, UH, WHAT, WHAT'S THE HASIM? PARKHOUSE AND THIS HIGH OF MINOR SUBDIVISION MAKE THE 13 THAT AREN'T ACTIVE.
NOTHING FROM THE CHURCH ON UH, ON UH, LEWIS ROAD.
THAT'S ANOTHER ONE THAT'S OUT THERE FROM MY UNDERSTANDING.
BRIAN, DO YOU KNOW WHERE THEY ARE WITH PIN KNOT? THAT WAS WHAT THEIR FIRST STEP WAS.
THEY PUT IN A SCOPING ACT, THE SCOPING UP, AND THEN THAT'S WHERE IT SET.
AND I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANY OTHER NEW LAND DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN.
WELL, WE ALL SORT OF KNOW ABOUT THE HOSPITAL.
WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE HOSPITAL.
WE'RE GONNA BE HEARING A LOT ABOUT A HOSPITAL.
THEY HAVE PUT IN AN ESCROW APPLICATION TO BUILD A HOSPITAL.
AND YOU'RE GOING TO, THEY'RE, THEY WANT TO PUT SIGNS UP SAYING, COMING SOON.
THAT'S AT THE CORNER OF ARCOLA ROAD AND COLLEGEVILLE COLLEGEVILLE NOW COMING SOON MIGHT BE FOUR YEARS BECAUSE IT'S GONNA TAKE THEM THAT LONG TO GET THROUGH THE PROCESS AND BUILD IT.
BUT THEY WANT, THEY ARE, THEY ARE.
AND WE'RE WELCOMING THEM WITH OPEN ARMS. NOT SAYING WE'RE GIVING AWAY THE FARM, BUT WE ARE, WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THEM.
'CAUSE WE THINK THAT THAT'S A GREAT LOCATION AND A VERY GOOD LAND DEVELOPMENT THAT THIS TOWN AND THIS REGION.
I'VE HEARD FROM, I'VE HEARD FROM STATE SENATORS AND, AND STATE REPS THAT THAT IS, IS A VERY WELCOME.
AND WHO'S WHO, WHO IS THAT AGAIN? WHO'S THAT? WHO IN MAINLINE HOSPITAL? MAINLINE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION.
ALL WE KNOW IS THAT WE'VE HAD AN INITIAL MEETING WITH 'EM SAYING WE'RE VERY INTERESTED.
THEY'VE PUT UP SOME MONEY IN AN ESCROW TO PAY FOR TIME, MY TIME AT BRIAN'S TIME TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH 'EM, WHICH IS THE NORMAL PROCEDURE.
AND WE WILL EVENTUALLY ROLL THEM OUT TO PUBLIC MEETINGS WHEN THEY MAKE AN APPLICATION.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, UH, BEFORE WE MOVE ON? NO.
I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.