* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] I'M GONNA CALL TO ORDER THE, UH, MEETING FEBRUARY THE FOURTH, UH, OF THE APPLE PROB TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION. AND, UH, WE'LL START WITH A CALL TO ORDER, AND THEN THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE TONIGHT'S AGENDA, WHICH EVERYBODY HAS IN FRONT OF YOU. PROBABLY COPIES BACK THERE IF YOU HAVEN'T GOT. SO, UH, PLEASE LOOK AT THE AGENDA AND I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT. UH, WE, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE TWO, UH, APPLICANTS HERE TONIGHT. I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA. ALL RIGHT. JOE'S MADE A, UM, A MOTION TO APPROVE. I'LL SECOND, KEVIN. SECOND. ALL FAVOR? AYE. AYE. UM, BEFORE WE MAKE PUBLIC, UH, OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, I JUST WANNA WELCOME JOE PETERS BACK FROM HIS LITTLE SITUATION. I'M SO, WE'RE SO GLAD YOU'RE BACK. THANK YOU. WE'RE SO GLAD WE MISSED YOU THE LAST MONTH. HIS WISDOM IS, UH, GREATLY MISSED. UM, UH, WITH THAT SAID, I'LL, UH, TAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS. ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WANTS TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, NOT HEARING ANY, WE'LL MOVE ON. [GENERAL DISCUSSION ITEMS] UM, OKAY. WE GOTTA APPROVE SOME MINUTES, UH, JANUARY 7TH AND THE 21ST, WHICH ARE, I'M SURE ATTACHED INTO OUR PACKET HERE. UM, I HOPE GET A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM. UM, AND IF SO, UH, WE CAN MOVE ON TO A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR BOTH, BOTH. KEVIN HAS MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE FOR BOTH THE SEVENTH AND 21ST OF JANUARY. I'LL TAKE A SECOND. UH, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. JERRY. A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. STAGE SINCE I WASN'T HERE. YEP, THAT'S FINE. UM, AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, THE UPPER PROFITS LITTLE LEAGUE REQUEST FOR WAIVER OF LAND DEVELOPMENT, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT'S ALL ABOUT. JEFF, UH, MOVE THE POWERPOINT THE CORRECT WAY. UPPER PROVIDENCE LITTLE LEAGUE HAS A SET OF BATTING CAGES. UH, I CAN HAVE CHRIS EXPLAIN IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT GENERALLY THEY HAVE, UM, SOME BATTING CAGES, SOME PITCHING CAGES ON THEIR SITE THAT ARE, THERE'S SOME TURF AND SOME OF THAT, THE RUBBER MATERIALS SORT OF KEEP THEM ALL SEASON, BUT THEY'D LIKE TO PUT A ROOF ON IT. AND FROM A TOWNSHIP'S PERSPECTIVE, SINCE THE ROOF IS AROUND 4,500 SQUARE FEET, IT KIND OF RISES TO THE LEVEL OF LAND DEVELOPMENT. THE ISSUE BECOMES A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER THINGS SORT OF COME INTO PLAY. THEN THEIR PARKING AREAS, ALL OF THE DIFFERENT SHEDS THEY HAVE THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY ON FIREHOUSE PROPERTY. HOW DOES THAT AFFECT IT? IT BECOMES REALLY, REALLY COMPLICATED FOR SOMETHING THAT'S AS SIMPLE AS A SHED. SO IN SPEAKING WITH ZACH AND TOWNSHIP ASSISTANT MANAGER BRIAN , WE DECIDED SORT OF THE BEST PATH FORWARD IS TO ASK THE LITTLE LEAGUE TO ASK FOR A WAIVER OF LAND DEVELOPMENT. IT'S SOMETHING THE BOARD CAN GRANT. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I HAVE THE AUTHORITY OR BRIAN OR ZACH HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DO. THE BOARD CAN GRANT THAT. SO IF WE'RE ASKING THE BOARD TO GRANT THAT, WE WOULD LIKE A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I THINK THE LITTLE LEAGUE IS HERE. IF THEY'D LIKE TO COME UP AND GIVE 2 CENTS REAL QUICK AND EXPLAIN SOMETHING, THEY CAN GIVE THEIR PART OF IT. JUST IDENTIFY YOURSELF WHERE YOU'RE FROM AND NAME. YEAH, JIM AZI. UM, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF LEAGUE. UH, SO WE HAD THE BATTING CAGES THAT WE PUT IN PROBABLY, I GUESS, THREE, FOUR YEARS AGO. UH, IT'S A TURFED AREA UNDERNEATH IT'S STONE AND CONCRETE. SO TO ALLOW THE KIDS, OR THE, THE PLAYERS IN THE LEAGUE TO USE IT MORE FREQUENTLY WHEN IT RAINS, WE'RE LOOKING TO, UH, BUILD A ROOF OVER TOP OF IT. UM, THEY, WE DO LEASE THE LAND FROM THE BLACKROCK FIREHOUSE. UH, THEY ARE AWARE OF THIS. WE'VE GOT APPROVAL FROM THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS PROJECT AND THEY'RE ON BOARD. UM, SO THAT THAT'S, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR MUCH. YEAH. JUST BECAUSE IT KIND OF 2000 SQUARE FEET IS SORT OF OUR CUTOFF, RIGHT. FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT. WHEN, WHEN, IF A BUSINESS WAS TO ADD 2000, THEY'RE BUILDING, THAT'S GENERALLY WHEN WE'D SEE YOU GO FOR THE FULL PACKAGE. THIS, AND AGAIN, BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A VOLUNTEER SORT OF ORGANIZATION, IT'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED THAN THEY'RE PROBABLY THE ABILITY FOR THEM TO PUT THEM THROUGH THAT SORT OF RINGER. OKAY. UM, QUESTIONS JUST A QUICK ONE. THE, THE, THE SURFACE THAT'S THERE NOW THAT ALREADY COUNTS AS IMPERVIOUS, RIGHT? 'CAUSE IT'S CON YOU MENTIONED CONCRETE. YEAH. YEAH. SO IT'S NOT AN INCREASE IN, IN IMPERVIOUS COVER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. NO QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? UM, DO WE, WE NEED TO, UH, RECOMMEND IT TO THE BOARD. YEAH. MAKE A MOTION. I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND THE, THE COVERING, UH, OVER THIS, UH, THIS, UH, BATING CAGE TO, UH, TO THE SUPERVISOR. CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION? SURE. I'M JUST CURIOUS. IT'S A BATTING CAGE. [00:05:01] TYPICALLY, THEY'RE JUST NETTING AROUND A BATTING CAGE. WHY, WHY THIS STRUCTURE? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE NEED FOR A STRUCTURE LIKE THIS? I JUST CURIOUS. YEAH. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY A FEW YEARS BACK, WE BUILT THE BATTING CAGES THAT HAVE BIG STEEL POST, UH, WITH THE CAGES. AND THE THOUGHT OF PUTTING THE STRUCTURE OVER IS JUST TO ALLOW THE KIDS TO BE ABLE TO HIT WHEN IT RAINS, UH, INCLEMENT WEATHER. OKAY. COULD USE IT. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD ANSWER. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO, UH, I'M BACK. I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO, UH, TO APPROVE, UH, APPROVE THIS TO THE SUPERVISORS TO RECOMMEND THE APPROVAL TO THE SUPERVISORS. I'LL, I'LL MOTION THAT, UH, WE MOVE FORWARD WITH APPROVAL TO THE, UH, SUPER BUDGET. OKAY. SO WE GOT A SECOND. SECOND. KEVIN HAS GIVEN IT A SECOND. SO ALL IN FAVOR A AYE. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. YOU'RE GOOD. PUT IT UP. YOU READY THIS SPRING? RIGHT? . OKAY. MOVING ON ALONG. THAT WAS A GOOD ONE. HOW DARE ANYBODY DISPUTE THAT ONE, HUH? I SHOULD ASK BRIAN. NO TRAFFIC PROBLEMS WITH THAT. RIGHT. OKAY. [APPLICATIONS TO BE HEARD ON FEBRUARY 4, 2026] THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR APPLICANT'S FOR TONIGHT. UH, FIRST ONE IS HASSAN ROAD. AND, UM, WE'VE HEARD FROM THESE FOLKS BEFORE. I THINK THEY'RE COMING BACK WITH, UH, UH, SOME CHANGES IF I, IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY. SO WE'LL TAKE, UH, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF. GOOD EVENING. UH, KEVIN PALMER FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, THE REASONER FAMILY. UH, CAN I, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION FIRST? SURE. WHAT STAGE ARE WE AT, JEFF, WITH THIS? TENTATIVE GOT, THANK YOU. UM, I'M HERE WITH, UM, ANTHONY HIBELL, THE ENGINEER. AND, UH, JUST, JUST BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, UM, UH, WE WERE HERE I THINK IN OCTOBER AND, UM, IT'S A 14 LOT SUBDIVISION. THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION, BOTH MONTGOMERY COUNTY AND THIS TIME COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OR, OR APPROVED IT TO GO TO THE SUPERVISORS. THE SUPERVISORS HAD SOME QUESTIONS, SOME ISSUES, SO THE PLAN'S BEEN REVISED. ANTHONY IS HERE TO EXPLAIN THE REVISIONS TO YOU, AND WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO ASK YOU TO AGAIN SEND IT BACK TO THE SUPERVISORS, UM, WITH THE CHANGES AS, AS ANTHONY EXPLAINS. UM, AND, UM, JUST SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, COULD YOU QUICKLY JUST TELL US WHAT THE SUPERVISOR'S QUESTIONED AND WHAT CHANGES THEN YOU MADE? I'LL LET ANTHONY EXPLAIN THAT BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA RELATE TO HIS EXPLANATION OF WHAT HE DID. OKAY. I POINTER TO JEFF KNIGHT POINTER. JUST FOR YOUR RECORD, JUST STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN. GOOD EVENING, GENTLEMEN. ANTHONY HILAND, UH, GORSKY ENGINEERING, UH, REPRESENTING THE CLIENT APPLICANT. UM, SO, UH, LEMME RUN THROUGH THE, UH, CHANGES TO THE PLAN. UH, THE PLAN STILL IS THE SAME YIELD, UH, THE SAME LAYOUT, UM, AND LOT SEVEN USED TO BE BACK IN THIS CORNER. UM, LOT SEVEN WAS MOVED UP TO THIS AREA HERE. UH, EACH LOT IS OVER AN ACRE IN SIZE, INCLUDING SEVEN. AND THE OPEN SPACE THAT WAS HERE HAS NOW SHIFTED DOWN HERE. UH, THE CODE REQUIRES 2.79 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE. UH, WITH THIS SHIFT IN OPEN SPACE. UH, WE WENT FROM 2.79 TO OVER FOUR AND A HALF ACRES OF OPEN SPACE, ALL CONTIGUOUS. UM, SO THAT, UM, IT RUNS ON THE ROAD AND FORMS THIS ENTIRE AREA BACK HERE. UM, MUCH LARGER IN SIZE. SO THAT'S A ROAD YOU'RE PUTTING AROUND THIS OPEN SPACE. OH, NO, THIS IS A TRAIL, A TREE, THE OPEN SPACE. OKAY. YES. UM, WE CAN MAKE THAT TRAIL 5% A DA ACCESSIBLE. UM, UH, JEN HAD TAKEN A LOOK AT IT SINCE RESUBMITTING THIS AND SUGGESTED THAT, UM, WE WORK UP THE DETAILS FOR MAKING SURE IT'S 5% AND NO STEEPER, UH, BECAUSE THERE ARE STEEP SLOPES HERE. UM, SO WE WILL DO THAT AND WE CAN DO THAT. UM, THE OTHER THING THAT, UH, CHANGED, UM, AS THIS PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE SUPERVISORS, UH, THEY WERE CONCERNED, UM, THAT THE FIRE MARSHALS COMMENTS, UH, SHOULD BE SHOWN ON THE PLAN RATHER THAN, UH, JUST US COMMITTING TO COMPLYING WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL'S LETTER. SO [00:10:01] WHAT I'VE DONE IS GONE THROUGH THE FIRE MARSHAL'S LETTER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE 26 FOOT WIDTH THAT HE REQUESTED COULD HAPPEN, THAT THE SLOPES ARE ALL LESS THAN 10%, THAT THE CURVATURES OF THIS SHARED DRIVEWAY CAN HANDLE HIS APPARATUS WITH HIS TURNING RADII AND HIS, UM, APPARATUS AXLE BASE. UM, WE SHOW ON OUR PLAN SET NOW SIX SHEETS. THE, UM, FIRE APPARATUS TRUCK, UH, NOT ONLY CIRCUMNAVIGATING THE MAIN ROAD HERE, PLU, BUT ALSO BEING ABLE TO SWING IN HERE AND TRAVEL ALL THE WAY DOWN THAT, UH, UH, ROAD, UH, THAT, UH, DRIVEWAY, UH, WHICH IS ABOUT 5.7%, UH, ORDINANCE ALLOWS A DRIVEWAY AT 10% IN THIS TOWNSHIP. UH, OTHER TOWNSHIPS ARE 12. UH, WE ARE COMPLETELY UNDER 9%. UM, BUT MOST OF IT, 75% OF IT IS UNDER 6%. OKAY. SO THAT HELPED THE FIRE MARSHAL, UH, COMMENTS HERE. ONCE HE GETS DOWN, UH, WE'VE PROVIDED A K TURN AT THE BOTTOM SO HE CAN COME RIGHT BACK UP. UH, THERE'S ALSO FIRE HYDRANTS ALONG THE WAY OF THE SHARED DRIVEWAY, UH, WHICH COMPLIMENTS ALL THE HYDRANTS, UM, ALONG THE ACTUAL PUBLIC STREET AS WELL. UM, SO, UM, THAT HAS BEEN, UM, UH, REVISED TO COMPLY AND SHOW COMPLIANCE WITH FIRE MARSHAL'S LETTER. UM, THE FOURTH ITEM THAT, UM, UM, WAS REVISED, UM, NEIGHBORS, UH, LIVING IN THE COMMUNITY HERE NEXT DOOR, UH, WERE CONCERNED, UM, MORE THAN ONE, SEVERAL, UH, ABOUT THE LOOK FROM WILSON WAY OF THE BACK OF HOUSE THREE AND FOUR. UM, SO THE THOUGHT PROCESS HERE IS TO PLACE AN EARTH AND BERM INSIDE A DEED RESTRICTED EASEMENT, UH, THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR A EARTH AND BERM OF ABOUT SIX TO EIGHT FOOT IN HEIGHT AND PLANTING MATERIALS CONSISTING OF CANOPY SHADE TREES, ORNAMENTAL TREES, UH, EVERGREEN TREES, UH, SHRUBS, UH, GRASSES, UH, ORNAMENTAL GRASSES. AND, UH, A VARIETY OF, UM, UH, PERENNIALS THAT, UM, COULD OFFER THAT. UH, JEFF, IF YOU TURN TO THE THIRD PAGE OF MY RESPONSE LETTER, I DON'T HAVE THAT PULLED UP YET. UH, DO YOU ALL HAVE MY RESPONSE LETTER? YES. DO YOU GO TO THE THIRD PAGE OF THE RESPONSE LETTER? I SHOW A VISUAL IMAGE OF HOW THAT THE BUFFER AND PLANT MATERIAL WOULD LOOK. I'LL PULL ONE OUT THERE. ANYONE IN THE, UM, SEE, IS THERE ANY NEIGHBORS HERE TONIGHT? ANTHONY? I'M GONNA HAVE TO, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SPEAK INTO THE MICS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PICKING UP. THERE'S A EVIL OVER THERE IF YOU WANNA SET IT UP. OKAY. UM, WE'VE USED, UH, THESE TYPES OF, UH, BUFFERS, UH, AND THEY'RE VERY, VERY EFFECTIVE. UM, NOT ONLY FROM, UM, CHANGING THE, THE VIEW SO YOU DON'T SEE THE REAR OF THE HOUSE, BUT ANY AMENITIES IN THE REAR YARD WOULD ALSO BE, UM, SCREENED, UH, BY THE USE OF THIS, UM, COMBINATION EARTH BERM AND VEGETATION. THE EARTH BER GIVES IT A LITTLE BIT OF A, A NATURALIZING EFFECT AS WELL AS GETTING, UM, HEIGHT, UH, BECAUSE WILSON WAY IS, UH, FOUR TO SIX FEET LOWER THAN THESE TWO HOME SITES. QUESTION, UM, HOW LONG WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE IT TO TAKE TO, FOR THE GROWTH TO BE AT THE HEIGHT OR, YEAH, WE COULD PUT IN, BECAUSE THERE'S A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT TREES. UH, THEY MATURE AT DIFFERENT RATES. UH, WE COULD PUT IN, UM, A, UH, LARGER CANOPY, UM, MAYBE STARTING THEM OUT AT 14 FOOT HEIGHT [00:15:01] WITH A THREE, THREE AND A HALF INCH CALIBER. UM, AND THEN THE ORNAMENTALS WILL LAYER THIS IN. SO THE BUFFER IS LITERALLY FROM GROUND UP TO, UM, IF YOU GET SIX PLUS THE 14, YOU'RE ALREADY, UM, AT 20 FEET, UM, TO START AT. UM, SO IT COULD BE VERY EFFECTIVE RIGHT OFF THE BAT, UM, AND GROW AND MATURE, UH, VERY NICELY. AND WHO MAINTAINS HOA? UM, I WOULD, UM, HAVE THE HOA MAINTAIN THAT EASEMENT. IT GOES ALONG THE ENTIRE REAR OF BOTH LOTS. UM, AND THEN AS TO, UH, WRITING THAT EASEMENT TO BENEFIT, WE COULD DO ONE OF ANY NUMBER OF THINGS THAT COULD PUT THE TOWNSHIP IN AS THE BENEFACTOR OR PUT THE NEIGHBORS, IF THEY HAVE AN HOA, UH, THEY COULD BE THE BENEFACTOR OF THE EASEMENT AS WELL. SO THE EASEMENT WOULD BE ON THE LAND OF, UH, LOT OWNERS, THREE AND FOUR, BUT WOULD BE BENEFIT, UH, BENEFITING, UM, EITHER, UH, THE NEIGHBORS, HOA SO THAT THERE'S SOME RESPONSIBILITY THAT'S, I'M MY QUESTION. THE EASEMENT WOULD RUN WITH THE DEED AND THERE'D BE, UM, RESPONSIBILITY AND OVERSIGHT, BUT SO I'M SURE THAT, UH, YOU'RE SAYING THE PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD'VE RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN IT OR THE HOA OUR HOA WOULD MAINTAIN AND OPERATE THAT BUFFER. BUT IF IT EVER BECAME SOMETHING THAT THE NEIGHBOR'S HOA OR THE PARTICULAR NEIGHBOR, UH, THERE'S SOME MECHANISM FOR THE TWO H HOAS TO WORK TOGETHER. UM, WITH REGARD TO NUMBER FIVE, UH, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE AND SHOW THAT, UM, WE WOULD PLACE EACH INDIVIDUAL, UM, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM WITHIN AN EASEMENT, AND THAT THAT EASEMENT WOULD, UH, NOT ENCUMBER INTO THE, UM, BUILDING ENVELOPE ITSELF FOR EACH LOT. UH, JEN HAD POINTED THAT OUT AND ASKED, UH, SO WE WILL ABSOLUTELY DO THAT. UH, THESE LOTS ARE ONE ACRE IN SIZE. UM, WE HAVE THE, UM, CAPACITY, UH, AND THE WILLINGNESS TO DO THAT. UM, CAN I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION HERE? YOU BET. UM, IT APPEARS AS THOUGH THERE ARE, UH, I PRESUME HOMES, UM, UH, ADJACENT TO LOTS ONE AND TWO. ARE THOSE THREE OR FOUR HOMES THERE? YES. 1, 2, 4. AND WHY NOT, WHY IS IT THE, THE BUFFERING CONTINUING ON DOWN FOR THOSE HOMES AS WELL? UH, THE, UM, THE, UH, COMMENTS WERE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DID WANT TO DRIVE DOWN WILSON WAY AND SEE THE BACK OF THESE HOUSES. SO IT WASN'T NECESSARILY AN INDIVIDUAL HOME BUFFERING BACKYARD TO BACKYARD, IT WAS A STREET FRONTAGE. UM, AS YOU MAY RECALL, UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY STREET FRONTAGE ON WILSON WAY, BUT OUR PROPERTY LINE COMES THROUGH AN EXACT POINT IN SPACE. I SEE THAT ON THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO WE CAN'T MEASURE THAT POINT. OKAY. BUT IT IS A ANGLE POINT IN THE PROPERTY LINE AND IT SITS ON THE RIGHT OF WAY OF . SO, SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR, AND I UNDERSTAND IT WASN'T INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS, IT WAS MORE THE, THEIR HOA OR COMMUNITY SAYING, WE DON'T LIKE THE CONFIGURATION OF SEEING THOSE TWO HOUSES ON WHAT ARE THE FOUR TO FIVE, THREE OR FOUR, BUT CORRECT. UM, I DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT THESE TWO HOMEOWNERS DID ASK THAT THAT WOULD CONTINUE. AND SO, UH, THE BUFFER ISN'T A SINGLE POINT, BUT ALONG THE ENTIRE PROPERTY LINE OF OUR ADJACENT NEIGHBOR HERE AND ALONG THE SIDELINE OF OUR ADJACENT NEIGHBOR HERE AND THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS OF, UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE BACK FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT, UM, THROUGHOUT THAT PROCESS, UM, UM, IF AND WHEN ANYONE ELSE DOES HAVE, UM, ANY COMPLAINTS, UM, WE'RE OPEN TO [00:20:01] WORKING WITH ALL THE NEIGHBORS ALONG THAT LINE, THAT CONTINUING LINE. OKAY. YOU BROUGHT UP THE STORMWATER BMPS, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. THIS WAS THE ONE WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO BE LIKE UNDERGROUND TANKS ON EACH SPECIFIC SITE, SO LIKE DISAGGREGATED INSTEAD OF BIG STORMWATER BMP. AND I REMEMBER YOU HAD SOME INITIAL COMMENTS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, JEN. YEAH. AN ANTHONY. SORRY. YEAH. ANTHONY DID ADDRESS, THEY'LL PROVIDE THE EASEMENTS FOR THOSE FACILITIES THAT THE BUILDING SETBACK LINES WON'T ENCROACH INTO THOSE AREAS. THEY'LL BE FREE AND CLEAR. UM, FUTURE THOUGH, CONSIDER HOW YOU'RE GONNA KEEP SHEDS OFF OF THERE. ALSO, THEY SHOULDN'T BE COVERED. UM, AND A SHED ISN'T GOVERNED, AN ACCESSORY USE IS NOT GOVERNED BY THE BUILDING SETBACK LINE. UH, TRUE. YEAH. SO YEAH, WE'RE GONNA WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE MARKED OR CERTAINLY WHAT WE'VE DONE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES IS MAKE SURE THEY'RE VISIBLY MARKED MM-HMM . DOWN THE LAWN . RIGHT. RIGHT. UH, SO THAT WHETHER WE DO, UM, UH, SOMETIMES WE USE A, UH, A THREE FOOT HIGH FENCE POST THAT JUST FORMS A CORNER. UH, OR SOMETIMES WE USE SOMETHING AS SMALL AS A WHITE PVC MARKER. UM, SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO A CLEAN OUT. I THINK THERE'LL HAVE TO BE SOME, SOME MORE THOUGHT INTO THIS BECAUSE WE, I CAN'T TELL THE NUMBER OF LANDOWNER TO COME TO MEET POST DEVELOPMENT. RIGHT. AND SAY, HEY, I'M GONNA PUT UP A FENCE. MY HOA DOESN'T CARE AND IT'S GONNA GO IN THIS SWALE. AND WE HAVE A MECHANISM WHERE THEY CAN WRITE, THEY CAN GIVE US A DEED RESTRICTION THAT SAYS, HEY, LOOK, IF WE HAVE TO COME IN AND FIX SOMETHING, WE'LL TEAR DOWN YOUR FENCE. WE WON'T PUT IT BACK UP FROM THE TOWNSHIP'S PERSPECTIVE, BUT THESE ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN A SWALE. AND I, I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO REALLY WORK THROUGH THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING WELL, IN TERMS OF WHAT LANGUAGE, JEFF LANGUAGE, SOMETHING IN THE HOA DOCUMENTS. I MEAN, I'LL SIT DOWN WITH ZACH AND JEN AND WE WILL WORK THROUGH THAT FOR THE NEXT ROUND OF, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT SO SOMETHING WE SHOULD WORRY ABOUT SO MUCH. I'M JUST TRYING FIGURE A PROCESS. IT HAS TO BE SOME LANGUAGE SOMEWHERE. YEAH. AND THIS IS, THIS IS ALL PART OF THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PROCESS, RIGHT? THAT HAS TO BE DOCUMENTED AND, AND SOMETHING, SOMETHING THAT'S GIVEN TO THE HOMEOWNERS. 'CAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA BE SO MUCH THE PEOPLE THAT COME AND BUY IT NOW, IT'S GONNA BE PEOPLE THAT BUY IT 15, 15 YEARS FROM NOW. THE HOUSE GOES THE NEXT PERSON, THEY MIGHT NOT EVEN KNOW THAT THEY'RE . RIGHT? SO THAT VISIBLE MARKER HELPS WHEN THE LAND GETS TRANSFERRED. THOSE VISIBLE MARKERS WILL BE IN PLACE. UM, WITH REGARD TO ALL OF THE COMMENTS, UH, FROM THIS PLAN COMMISSION, FROM THE COUNTY PLAN COMMISSION AND ALL OF THE LETTERS, UM, WE, WE WILL COMPLY WITH ALL THOSE COMMENTS. SO, UM, I KNOW JEN HAS, UH, HAD ANOTHER, UH, LETTER, BUT, UM, OTHER LETTERS, UH, HAVEN'T BEEN UPDATED TO THIS. I SPOKE TO THE FIRE MARSHAL TODAY AND HE HADN'T HAD A CHANCE NOT TO LOOK AT IT. HE WILL ISSUE A FORMAL LETTER BY THE SUPERVISOR'S MEETING. GREAT. UM, HE DOES SAY HE'S NO SIGNIFICANT COMMENTS IN THIS PROJECT. OUTSIDE'S ALREADY IN HIS LETTER, MANY OF THE PREVIOUS ITEMS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED, ALTHOUGH SOME CLARIFICATION WILL BE NEEDED IN FUTURE SUBMISSIONS. HE WANTS A STANDALONE TRUCK PLAN, SOMETHING ABOUT NO PARKING AND FIRE LANES. UH, LETTER FROM THE WATER AUTHORITY CONFIRMING THEY CAN SUPPLY THE DEVELOPMENT AND CONFIRMATION THAT DETAILS HYDRANT SPECS FOR FLEXORS, MAKE IT IN THE PLAN SET. AGAIN, HE'LL ISSUE THE LETTER. UM, I JUST WANT, I ASKED HIM TODAY JUST IN CASE IT CAME UP, BUT CERTAINLY THAT SOUNDS ALL REASONABLE. YEAH, NOTHING THAT ISN'T ALREADY OUT THERE. GREAT. AND THEN, UM, IN MY RESPONSE LETTER, I DO POINT OUT THAT, UH, THE OPEN SPACE DOES REQUIRE PORTIONS OF IT TO BE, UH, 2% GRADE OR LESS. UM, WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO COMPLY WITH THAT PART OF IT AND ASK, UH, THE SUPERVISORS FOR A WAIVER FROM THAT PART OF THE ELKIN SPACE CODE REQUIREMENTS. UM, AS YOU RECALL, UH, THE FIRST PLAN DID MEET THAT SPECIFICATION, BUT THIS NEW LOCATION WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MEET THAT SPECIFICATION. SO ARE, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE TO GO IN FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION RELATED TO THE STEEP SLOPES? YES. UH, SO THE PLAN STILL REQUIRES, UH, SPECIAL EXCEPTION USE, UH, FOR THE SHARED DRIVEWAY TO CROSS OVER THE STEEP SLOPES ALONG WITH UTILITIES UNDERGROUND. UM, SO THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THAT. ARE YOU, ARE YOU INTENDING THAT IF YOU GET TENTATIVE THEN YOU GO TO A SPECIAL EXCEPTION? OR WHAT ARE YOUR YEAH, THE, UM, GUIDANCE WE'VE RECEIVED IS THAT, UM, ONCE WE GET THE TENTATIVE APPROVAL, WE WOULD MOVE TO, [00:25:01] UH, THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION, UM, AT THE SAME TIME AS LAND DEVELOPMENT. SO WE'LL HAVE A, UM, ACTUAL FIELD SURVEY VERSUS THE, UM, ON THE GROUND SURVEY VERSUS USING LIDAR. MM-HMM . YES. UH, ZACH, MAYBE YOU COULD HELP ME HERE ON THIS QUESTION. UM, THERE ARE 60 ITEMS RELATIVE TO ZONING. MM-HMM . UM, JEN'S LETTER, YOU MEAN? PARDON ME? IN JEN'S LETTER, YOU MEAN IN GILMORE'S LETTER? YEP. UM, SO THERE ARE SOME NUMBER OF ZONING ISSUES. WHAT DOES FIRST THE CHICKEN OF THE ANCHOR MEAN? SO 12, 13, AND 14 ARE WHAT, UM, ZACH JUST TALKED ABOUT SPECIAL EXCEPTION. AND THEY'RE ALL GOING TO HINGE ON THE ACTUAL SURVEY BECAUSE THE STEEP SLOPES I THINK WILL BE MODIFIED ONCE THE SURVEY HAPPENS. SO THEY'LL DECIDE EXACTLY WHERE THEY NEED RELIEF FROM. THAT'S A STEEP SLOPE ISSUE. MM-HMM . YEP. SO THOSE ARE 12, 13, ALL THE OTHER ZONING ISSUES. UM, WELL WE CAN LOOK AT 15. I THINK ANTHONY, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT, ARE YOU? I DO NOT HAVE AN ISSUE AGGREGATE YARD. IT WAS JUST NOT LABELED CORRECT. WE WILL CORRECTLY, WELL, I GUESS, I GUESS MY POINT IS, IS WHAT, OUT OF, OUT OF THESE ISSUES, WHAT HAS TO COME BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD? WELL, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE ISSUES NOW GOING FROM TENANT TO PRELIMINARIES THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO FIX THOSE ISSUES. AND IF THEY CAN'T FIX THOSE ISSUES, THEN THEY NEED TO BE IN THE APPLICATION WHEN THEY GO TO THE ZONING HEARING BOARD FOR A VARIANCE OR FOR RELIEF FROM THOSE REQUIREMENTS. AND AT WHAT POINT IN TIME DO THEY DO THAT TO BE TENTATIVE? THEY, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT ON WHEN THEY HAVE TO DO IT. HE, AS HE JUST SAID, THEY WANT TO DO, THEY WANNA RUN THE ZONING HEARING BOARD AND THE PRELIMINARY LAND DEVELOPMENT AT THE SAME TIME. YEAH. BUT THAT'S THEIR PLAN. THE, THE, THE PURPOSE OF THE TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN IS TO KIND OF GET THEIR IDEA ON PAPER, SEE THAT THE BROAD DETAILS ARE GONNA BE, SEE IF THERE ARE ANY ZONING ISSUES THAT GET PICKED UP. AND ONCE THAT, ONCE THEY'VE COMPLIED WITH THE TENTATIVE AND THEY KNOW WHAT THE ZONING ISSUES ARE THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH, THEN THEY CAN GO TO THE ZONING HEARING BOARD. THERE'S NO SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT THAT SAYS THAT THEY HAVE TO GO AND GET ZONING BEFORE THEY CAN SUBMIT FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT. THEY CAN, THEY CAN DO THOSE SIMULTANEOUSLY. UM, WE CAN'T DENY PRELIMINARY APPROVAL BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ZONING YET. WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE A CONDITION ON GETTING ZONING APPROVAL. SO ONCE WE GET TO FINAL, THEN WE CAN HOLD UP FINAL IF THEY HAVEN'T GOTTEN THEIR NECESSARY ZONING. BUT WE CAN'T, THEY CAN GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH PRELIMINARY BEFORE THEY HAVE THEIR ZONING, BUT IF THEY DON'T GET ZONING, THEY CAN'T DO THE PROJECT. NO, I CAN'T DO, THAT'S KIND OF, WELL, I GUESS MY POINT IS, IF THEY DON'T HAVE ZONING, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO BE TALKING ABOUT THIS. IT, IT, IT'S REALLY THEIR PREROGATIVE HOW THEY WANT TO PROCEED. I THINK THAT THE WAY THEY'RE DOING IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THEY'RE KIND OF PUT, PUT OUT THE TENTATIVE PLAN, FIGURE OUT THE BIG ISSUES, AND THEN NOW THAT THEY HAVE, WE'VE KIND OF HASHED SOME OF THESE ISSUES OUT, THEY CAN GO BACK, LIKE JEN SAID, THEY CAN WORK OUT WHAT THE ISSUES ARE OR SEE IF THEY CAN WORK OUT THOSE ISSUES SO THAT THEY DON'T LEAVE ZONING RELIEF. I MEAN, A SPECIAL EXCEPTION IS A PERMITTED USE THAT'S PERMITTED AS LONG AS YOU MEET THE REQUIREMENTS AND THE ORDINANCE. SO JUST BECAUSE THEY NEED SPECIAL EXCEPTION WOULDN'T REALLY HINDER THE APPLICATION AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. SO IF THEY NEED A VARIANCE, THAT'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION, THEN THEY MAY WANT TO, THEY MAKE SENSE TO GET THAT BEFORE THEY MOVE FORWARD. BUT, AND JOE, WE ARE NOT HERE TO ASK FOR VARIANCES. WE, EVERYONE IN THESE COMMENTS WILL BE ADJUSTED. UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND THIS IS, THIS IS TENTATIVE AND I REALIZE A LOT HAS TO HAPPEN AS, AS THIS WHOLE THING PROGRESSES. I'M JUST QUESTIONING, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN DO YOU EXPECT, IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE HEARING BOARD, IS IT BEFORE YOU GET TO PRELIMINARY OR BETWEEN PRELIMINARY AND FILE AT THE SAME TIME? UH, AS TENANT? AS PRELIMINARY. PRELIMINARY. I'M SORRY. SHOOT. UH, WE WILL FILE FOR THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION TOO. OKAY. SO WE WILL BE BACK BEFORE YOU WHEN WE COME IN WITH LAND DEVELOPMENT PRELIMINARY, AND WE WILL BE BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD AT THE SAME TIME WITH SPECIAL EXCEPTION AT THE SAME TIME. OKAY. GOT IT. UH, BUT NONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT JEN WROTE IN HER LETTER ARE, UM, ITEMS THAT WE WILL BE COMING BACK FOR VARIANCE YOU'RE VERY CONCERNED AGAINST OR VERY CONCERNED ABOUT. RIGHT. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR VARIANCE. YOU'LL COMPLY WITH MOST OF WHAT, WHAT SHE'S ASKING. CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. EXCEPT FOR THAT LAST 0.7 OR WHATEVER IT WAS. RIGHT. THE STEEP SLOPE IS SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. THAT'S THE ONLY ONE YOU'RE GOING, THAT'S RIGHT. RIGHT. WELL, IT'S NOT A VARI IT'S A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, SPECIAL SEXUAL ASSUMPTION. SORRY, I DON'T KNOW ALL MY TERMS. UM, EVERYBODY GETS IT MIXED. I DON'T, I DON'T DO THIS EVERY DAY, YOU KNOW? UM, OKAY. ANY OTHER, I HAVE ONE QUESTION THAT YOU CALLING THAT ROAD GOING DOWN THE LOTS, UH, AND I CAN'T BEAT MY WALL. THE [00:30:01] SHARED DRIVEWAY TO LOTS SEVEN. YEAH. YOU'RE CALLING IT A DRIVEWAY, HUH? NOT A ROAD. WELL, IT WAS A 10 FOOT DRIVEWAY. NOW IT'S 26 FOOT WIDE SHARED DRIVEWAY. OH, YEAH. BUT MY POINT IS, WHO, WHO'S MAINTAINING THAT? HENCE WE JUST HAD THIS MASSIVE SNOW STORM AND TRYING LOOSE SNOW AROUND AGAIN. IS THE, YOU THE TOWNSHIP GONNA DO THAT? OR IS IT OH, NO, SINCE IT'S A DRIVEWAY, THEY, THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT. THAT'S RIGHT. WOW. INTERESTING. THAT IS INTERESTING. I, I DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY OF THE ROADS BEING ACCEPTED FOR DEDICATION IN THE SUBDIVISION. REALLY. WHETHER YOU CALL THAT DRIVEWAY A ROAD OR YOU CALL IT A DRIVEWAY, YOU DON'T SEE ANY OF THESE ROADS. BII DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT. NO. TYPICALLY WE HAVE SOMEBODY TO MAINTAIN IT UNDER THE TOWNSHIP. RIGHT. TYPICALLY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING TO, AND WE HAVEN'T OFFICIALLY DISCUSSED THIS INTERNALLY YET, BUT TYPICALLY THE ROAD HAS TO GO FROM A POINT A TO A POINT B. THIS GOES FROM A POINT A AND WRAPS AROUND. AND SO WE TEND NOT TO TAKE IT ANOTHER GLORIFIED CUL-DE-SAC. REALLY. SO WE TEND NOT TO TAKE THOSE. WE HAVE A FEW AND WE HAVE TO HAVE, WE HAVE TAKEN SOME, BUT I, I THINK INTERNALLY, OUR DECISION AT THIS POINT, OUR DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT HAS BEEN NOT TO ACCEPT THIS ROAD. OKAY. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT. I DIDN'T REALIZE, I, I ASSUMED THAT, UH, THE TOWNSHIP WOULD AT LEAST DO THE, THAT'S WHY I WAS DIFFERENTIATED BETWEEN DRIVEWAY AND ROAD, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WERE GONNA TAKE THE, THE CIRCLE AND THE, AND THE ENTRANCE WAS, AGAIN, NOTHING'S BEEN FINALIZED. WE HAVEN'T SPOKEN, I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO PUBLIC WORKS ABOUT IT. SO EITHER WAY, THE ROAD HAS TO BE DESIGNED TO TOWNSHIP STANDARDS. SURE, SURE. WE ACCEPT DEDICATION OR NOT. AND IT HAS TO BE OFFERED AND IT'S UP TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO MAKE THE OFFICIAL DECISION ON IF THE, IF THEY ACCEPT. GOTCHA. YEAH. DO YOU REALIZE THAT, AND I'LL ALSO JUST POINT OUT THAT OVER HERE, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE SAY 14 LOT SUBDIVISION, THERE IS THE SMALL LOT OVER HERE TO THE LEFT, RIGHT. THAT THEY CAN BUILD ON. RIGHT. UM, THAT'S NEXT TO THE EXISTING MODE, RIGHT? YEAH. I THINK ON THEIR NEXT ITERATIONS, I'D RECOMMEND THAT THEY'D ACTUALLY RENDER THIS ONE TOO, TO SHOW THAT. OKAY. ACTUALLY A LOT, THEY'RE USING THAT PART OF THE 14, OR I, I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE LOST IN THE NARRATIVE. I DON'T THINK IT'S A BIG DEAL. I, YOU KNOW, TO QUESTION THIS LOT BY ITSELF WILL PROBABLY REQUIRE SOME VARIANCES. THE TOWNSHIP'S CODE SAYS THAT YOU CAN BUILD A HOUSE ON ANY LOT, BUT IF YOU CAN'T MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, THEN YOU, YOU MUST GET VARIANCES. I DON'T THINK ANY HOUSE IS GOING TO MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AS DRAWN HERE. SO, BUT THAT'S FOR THE INDIVIDUAL LAND OWNER, WHEN THEY SELL THAT LOT, THAT'S NOT THEIR CONCERN. THEY, THIS LOT EXISTS. IT'S ALREADY DESIGNED. THEY'RE NOT CREATING A NON-CONFORMING LOT. THEY'RE JUST IDENTIFYING IT SEPARATELY. IT IT'S ALREADY CONFORMED. IT'S ALREADY THERE. YEAH. IT'S THERE. YEAH. I KNEW THAT WAS THERE. I WASN'T, I THOUGHT SINCE IT WAS BLACKED OUT, IT WASN'T PART OF THIS REAL YEAH. I, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT THAT TO GET LOST IN THE NARRATIVE IN THE DISCUSSION THAT, THAT DRIVEWAY ROAD, WHATEVER YOU CALL IT, IT REALLY CONCERNS ME. THAT'S A HECK OF A, I UNDERSTAND. I MEAN THE SLOPE AND EVERYTHING, BUT THAT'S A HECK OF A ROAD. YOU DON'T WANNA HAVE TO SHOVEL THAT. WELL, I DON'T EVEN, I DON'T KNOW, YOU JUST GOING DOWN IT, MAN. I MEAN, I HOPE IT'S WELL LIT, BUT YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN SEE TO MAKE THAT, WELL, THAT'S A HECK OF A TURN NEAR THAT, THAT TURN AND A HANDICAP RAMP IS 8%. THIS DRIVEWAY IS 5.7%. OKAY. IT'S, IT LOOKS SCARY ON IT DOES LOOK SCARY ON THERE. AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT BUYING 'EM WITH HOUSES, BUT BOY, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE TOUGH, TOUGH. MAYBE SOMEBODY LIKE 'EM. 'CAUSE THEY'RE SORT OF SEGREGATED, BUT PRIVATE. YEAH. WELL, DAVID, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? UM, SO THESE, UH, SIX OR SEVEN POINTS THAT ARE IN YOUR LETTER THAT YOU ADDRESSED, UH, THOSE WERE MAINLY BROUGHT UP BY THE SUPERVISORS. YES. AND THEY'VE ALSO ADDRESSED THE ONES THAT WE, WE TALKED ABOUT MM-HMM . DURING THE LAST PRESENTATION, WHICH, WHICH ARE INCLUDED BY THE SUPERVISORS. YEAH. WELL, WE'RE, WELL WE'RE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY, I'LL TAKE, UH, IF YOU'RE DONE, I'LL TAKE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS NOW FROM ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WORTH THINKING. PLEASE JUST IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. YES. ANDREW CHARAN 16 WILSON WAY. SO POINT DOWN WHERE YOU ARE. SURE. AND RIGHT HERE. OKAY. SO MR. PETERS, UM, YOUR QUESTION EARLIER PRETTY MUCH LEADS ME TO MY MAIN POINT HERE, WHICH IS I WAS AT THE SUPERVISOR'S MEETING AND A LOT OF PEOPLE SPOKE, I DON'T KNOW, HAPPY NEIGHBORS, 10 15. I DID [00:35:01] NOT BECAUSE IT HAD BECOME PRETTY REDUNDANT. UM, AND, AND I'M PLEASED TO SEE THE, UH, THE BORDER HERE. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. UM, I DON'T THINK IT'LL SURPRISE ANYONE TO KNOW THAT MY INITIAL THOUGHT IS, WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THIS CONTINUE DOWN THIS STRIP HERE, UM, PAST OUR HOUSE. UM, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR MY NEIGHBORS HERE AND HERE, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE REASONABLE TO THINK THEY WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. UM, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SIMILAR BORDER COME DOWN THAT PART FOR ALL THE SAME REASONS, FOR AESTHETIC REASONS. AND ESPECIALLY NOW IF YOU HAVE THIS BERM AND THESE BEAUTIFUL PLANTINGS AND THEN BOOM, IT'S GONNA STOP AND THEN EVERYTHING'S EXPOSED AGAIN. UM, SEEMED TO MAKE MUCH MORE SENSE TO CLOSE IT OFF THERE. UM, A SECOND POINT, AND THIS CAME UP AT THE SUPERVISOR'S MEETING REPEATEDLY FROM ALL SIDES OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. THE STORM STORMWATER IS A HUGE CONCERN. YOU CAN'T SEE IT HERE, BUT THERE IS A HILL RIGHT HERE THAT COMES INTO MY PROPERTY AND MY NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY. ALL THESE PROPERTIES, UM, WE'RE BARELY GETTING BY NOW WITH STORMWATER AND, AND FLOODING. SO A LOT OF PEOPLE RAISED CONCERNS. WE WERE ASSURED BY THE SUPERVISORS, HEY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THIS. THE STORM WATER'S GONNA BE BETTER THAN IT WAS. THIS IS GONNA BE COVERED. IT HAS TO BE. UM, THAT'S GREAT. TRUST THAT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT ON RECORD WITH YOU ALL. THAT'S A SERIOUS CONCERN HERE. THE MOST COMMON THING WE HEAR WHEN SOMEBODY, A LAND DEVELOPMENT IS EVERYBODY, ESPECIALLY FOR EXISTING PLACES, BUSINESSES, HOMES, WHATEVER THEY ARE, IS STORM WALL. WE HEAR THAT ALL THE TIME. THAT'S ALL. EVERYBODY COMES UP LIKE YOU AND THAT'S THEIR CONCERN. WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH ALL THE LAW? AND I THINK THAT WHAT THE SUPERVISORS TOLD YOU, I THINK IS WHAT I SAY WHEN PEOPLE DO THAT, AND I THINK WHAT THEY TOLD YOU IS RIGHT. WE HAVE A LOT OF FAITH IN THIS LADY OVER HERE. SHE LOOKS AT IT, SHE SAYS THAT IT'S GONNA WORK. I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE I THINK IT'S GONNA BE BETTER. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU PROBABLY GOTTA, YOU KNOW, AND I'M SURE JEN DON'T MIND IF YOU SEND HER EMAIL AND ASK HER QUESTIONS AND, BUT I'M SURE YOU GOTTA TRUST A LITTLE BIT THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO FLOOD YOU OUT. YEAH. CAN I ON THAT THOUGH, SINCE THIS ONE IS KIND OF WEIRD, I DON'T KNOW. JEFF, ARE YOU ABLE TO GO TO THE ONE WHERE THEY HAVE THE UNDERGROUND? UH, THERE'S NO PAGE NUMBERS UNFORTUNATELY. UM, OH, 47 OF 91. HOW DOES THIS SYSTEM WORK? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A QUESTION FOR THE DEVELOPER OR FOR JEN, BUT LIKE, I KEEP THINKING OF LIKE A SEPTIC TANK'S, PROBABLY NOT THE RIGHT EXAMPLE, BUT HOW, HOW DOES THE WATER GET TO THE TANK? SO THE GENTLEMAN'S QUESTION AS AN EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE A TANK IN THE PATHWAY OF THE HILL IN HIS HOUSE. ARE THE LOTS REGRADED OR IS THERE SOME SORT OF LIKE FRENCH DRAIN THAT FEEDS INTO THE TANK? HOW DOES THAT SYSTEM ACTUALLY WORK? DO YOU KNOW? DO THEY KNOW? I CAN TAKE THAT. OKAY. YEAH. JEN, YOU CAN SPEAK UP TOO IF YOU WANT TO, UNLESS YOU WANT TO FINISH FIRST. WELL, WHY DON'T WE DO THAT? BECAUSE IT, THERE'S NO PLAN YET. SO I'M, I'M NOT PERCENT SURE I HAVE AN IDEA HOW I WOULD DO IT. ALRIGHT, MR. KY, DON'T YOU, UH, ANSWER THAT IF I CAN, SIR? I SPEAK LIKE FIVE MORE SECONDS, BUT FINISH AND WE WE'RE NOT GONNA CUT YOU OFF. THAT'S FINE. I JUST WANTED SAY TO YOU ALL THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING AND FOR REACTING TO OUR CONCERNS AND, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF CONSTERNATION, BUT I THINK THE WAY THAT YOU'RE REACTING OUR CONCERNS IS VERY HELPFUL. SO APPRECIATE THAT. AND, AND, AND WHAT I DID HEAR MR. GO SAY A FEW MINUTES AGO WAS THAT, THAT THAT FIRM THAT HE WAS WILLING TO TALK ABOUT IT, I THINK RIGHT. WILLING TO TALK ABOUT IT. SO I THINK HE, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS GOTTA GET TOGETHER AND TALK ABOUT THAT, SIR. CERTAINLY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES. PLEASE WON'T YOU EXPLAIN THAT FOR US HERE, BECAUSE WE'RE ALL MR. HILAND, UM, I WORK FOR MR. GORSKY. OH, OKAY. THAT'S RIGHT. I APOLOGIZE. I'M JUST GONNA CALL YOU THAT 'CAUSE I CAN REMEMBER GORSKY BETTER. I CAN REMEMBER. UM, NOW, UH, WHEN WE GET TO, UH, PRELIMINARY LAND DEVELOPMENT, UM, I ACTUALLY WALK THE SITE WITH ANY NEIGHBOR THAT WANTS TO WALK WITH ME TO UNDERSTAND VERY SPECIFIC CONCERNS. UH, SO WHEN WE GET INTO THE DESIGN, UH, OF THIS, UH, COLLECTION SYSTEM AND INFILTRATION SYSTEM, UM, WE KNOW HOTSPOT, IF YOU WILL, WHERE THERE MIGHT BE, UH, SOMETHING SLIPPING THROUGH THE WOODS THAT IT DIDN'T SHOW UP ON THE SURVEY, BUT WE'RE ALERTED TO IT, UH, SIMPLY BY WALKING THAT LINE WITH NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW? OKAY. OKAY. AND, UM, UM, MAKING SURE THAT THE DESIGN COVERS ALL THOSE NUANCES, UH, THAT SOMEONE ELSE MIGHT JUST THINK, OH, WE'RE JUST GONNA LOOK AT 27 [00:40:01] ACRES. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERY FOOT AROUND THE PERIMETER, UM, UNDERGROUND. THESE WILL BE, UM, EFFECTIVELY TANKS, BUT IT IS MORE OF A, UM, HOLE THAT'S FULL OF A STONE BALLAST. THE VOIDS BETWEEN EACH OF THESE ROCKS AMOUNTS TO ABOUT 40%. SO WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE INFILTRATION BED, UM, WE CALCULATE THE VOLUMES AT 40% OF THAT BED SIZE, UM, AND LOOK FOR CONTACT AREA WITH THE SOIL. SO YOU DON'T WANT JUST A TWO FOOT EDGE TO BE CONTACTING THE SOIL. WE WANT THAT STORM WATER TO CONTACT AS MUCH SOIL AS POSSIBLE. AND THEY'RE, THAT'S WHY THE BEDS LOOK SO BIG. UH, BUT YOU CAN HAVE A SHALLOW BED, UM, WITH A BIGGER FOOTPRINT UNDERGROUND AND LAWN ON TOP. UH, SO, UH, AS OPPOSED TO, THAT'S MY FIRST PRIORITY AS OPPOSED TO A SECOND PRIORITY, WHICH WOULD BE A RAIN GARDEN, UM, ON THE LOT THAT YOU WOULD SEE, IT'S RIGHT AT THE SURFACE. AND THAT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT BUYING. I'M MORE INTERESTED IN THAT JUST BECAUSE THE, I FORGOT YOUR NAME, I'M SORRY, BUT THE GENTLEMAN THAT BROUGHT UP WHERE HIS PROPERTY WAS AND, YOU KNOW, IF A RAIN DROP FALLS ON THAT NEW CUL-DE-SAC AND COMES, IF I'M READING THE TOP OH, RIGHT. FLOWS DOWN THE ROAD. THERE'S NO INFILTRATION PIT, BMP, WHATEVER IN THE PATH OF THE TOPO IN HIS HOUSE. RIGHT. SO WE WILL BE DESIGNING AS PART OF THE PRELIMINARY PLANT PACKAGE APPLICATION, A UNDERGROUND STORM NETWORK, INLETS PIPES. OKAY. VEIN SYSTEMS WILL PICK UP THE ROOF FRAME WATER, UM, AS WELL AS THE, UM, YARDS. UH, SO THERE'S NO STANDING WATER AND GET THAT ALL UNDERGROUND. UM, THAT WILL BE A COMPLICATED PLAN. UM, AS JEN KNOWS ALL THESE N-P-D-E-S PERMITS, UM, THE DESIGN, UH, IS, IS VERY THOROUGH, BUT VERY, UH, LENGTHY. UH, THERE'LL BE A VERY LARGE REPORT, UH, THAT SIZES UP EVERY PIPE THAT DETERMINES THE VOLUMES. UH, WE'LL ADDRESS THE ONE YEAR STORM, THE TWO YEAR FIVE, THE 10 25, THE 50 AND THE HUNDRED. OKAY. SO THERE'S JUST NOT, JUST NOT PICTURE HERE, BUT THERE'S SOME SORT OF RIGHT AT TENTATIVE SKETCH. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I KNEW WHERE THE STORM WATER WAS RUNNING OFF AND IN WHICH DIRECTION, AND I LITERALLY STARTED THAT LAYOUT TO ADDRESS THE TOPO OF THE SITE. UH, SO THIS TENTATIVE SKETCH PHASE, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T PUT A LOT OF FAITH IN IT, BUT IT GIVES YOU A LOT OF, UM, TIME TO, UM, WORK THE LAYOUT TO THE LAND. UM, TO ME THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO DEAL WITH, UH, THE NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY AND NOT TO CHANGE, UM, THE DIRECTION OF ANYTHING FLOWING OFF, BUT TO WORK WITH WHAT'S, WHAT'S OUT THERE. AGAIN, I, I HAVE A LOT OF FAITH THAT WHEN YOU GET TO THE DESIGN STAGE AND YOU GET TO THAT, JEN LOOKS AT IT, SHE'S GONNA HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU GUYS ARE GONNA WORK IT OUT, AND THEN, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I'M SATISFIED. OKAY. SHE COMES BACK AND SAYS, HEY, THIS IS GONNA WORK AND IT WORKS. YEAH. AND AS ANTHONY MENTIONED, WITH THE MPDS PERMIT, THEY HAVE TO DO, THERE'S A LOT OF INFILTRATION TESTING THAT'S REQUIRED WITHIN THE FOOTPRINTS OF WHAT HE'S DESIGNED AND WHERE THE FACILITY ACTUALLY ENDS UP BEING. MM-HMM . SO IF TESTING IN ONE AREA FAILS, HE MAY HAVE TO SHIFT IT A LITTLE BIT TO FIND ANOTHER POCKET OF SOIL. SO AGAIN, TENTATIVE SKETCH AT THIS POINT, WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY, YOU HAVEN'T SEEN A DESIGN INFILTRATION. OKAY. AND NOW FROM THE PUBLIC, YOU GUYS ARE SITTING OVER THERE LIKE YOU WANT TO, YOU'RE TRYING TO DECIDE WHICH GUY'S GONNA COME UP. HUH. OKAY. YOU DREW THE LOW STRAW. THE SHORT STRAW. JUST IDENTIFY YOURSELF. YOU HAVE YOUR ADDRESS. YEAH. AL SHARPIER 18 WILSON WAY. I'M ON THE, UH, OUTSIDE OF, UH, LOT THREE THERE ON THE, ON THE MAP. UM, I JUST TO ADDRESS THE, THE STORMWATER, UM, CONCERN, THERE'S AN HDMI CABLE THERE, JEFF IS THERE? YEAH. WELL, OTHER THAN TO ONE PERSON. I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA, THERE'S A VIDEO OF, OF JUST WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH NOW OF THIS VIDEO SHOWS WATER ACTUALLY PUSHING THROUGH THE CURB. THAT'S HOW MUCH WATER GETS BUILT UP. THIS IS BASICALLY A BIG SW LIKE YOU GO THERE IN AUGUST AND THIS LAND IS PRETTY SATURATED AND IT, SO IT IS PRETTY AMAZING WHAT YOU CALL THE SNOW . WELL, WELL, YEAH. WELL, EXACTLY RIGHT. BUT IN AUGUST [00:45:01] IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL, IT, IT IS AMAZING HOW MUCH THAT IS A SPONGE. SO I'M VERY CONCERNED WITH THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT IS ALREADY PUSHING THROUGH THE CURVE IN LIKE A, A JET STREAM. SO THIS IS, THIS IS OFF OF WILSON, RIGHT OFF OF WILSON, RIGHT. THERE'S THE, HERE'S THE POINTER AREA. YEAH. SO THE VIDEO, I MEAN, LIKE, WHICH ONE DO I HIT? SO, UH, THE CURVE HERE IS ACTUALLY, THERE'S SO MUCH WATER BEING PUSHED INTO, INTO WILSON WAY, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT'S LITERALLY, YOU KNOW, PUSHING THROUGH THE CURB. SO THAT'S MUCH HOW MUCH DRAIN YOU GET. SO IT DOES HAVE TO BE HANDLED VERY CAREFULLY. YOU SHOULD GO TO YOUR HOA TO GET THEM FIXED. WELL IT'S, IT IS JUST THE WAY THIS, THIS BIG FISH BACK, I HEAR YOU , BUT THERE'S ALL YOU CAN DO. THE WATER'S JUST COMING OFF THE, OFF THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS BIG AREA. UM, SO THAT, THAT OBVIOUSLY IS A CONCERN BECAUSE IF IT'S, IF IT GETS WORSE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE BIG SINKHOLE, UM, AND MORE PROBLEMS IN OUR BASEMENTS, UH, DO YOU HAVE PROBLEM IN YOUR BASEMENT STAFF? YEAH, THEY, THEY, THEY FLY VIA FREE SUB PUMPS. BUT, BUT THINK ABOUT THIS COMING OFF OF WILSON WAY. I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE HOW THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA MINIMIZE THAT FLOW OF WATER REGARDLESS. WELL, I THINK HE'S CONCERNED AS MORE THERE'S GONNA A BIT OF WORK. WELL, NO, WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT WE JUST TALKING ABOUT. I KNOW THAT'S OUR MANAGEMENT, RIGHT. I MEAN, THEY'RE GONNA PROTECT WHAT IT IS THEY'RE PROPOSING TO BE DEVELOPED AS YOU TAKE AWAY THIS SPONGE AND MORE WATER CAN PUSH INTO WILSON WHITE. BASICALLY THERE'S A, THE BIG RIGHT, UH, AROUND THIS AREA, LIKE THERE'S, THIS IS WHERE THE BREAKS DOWN, DOWN. DO YOU HAVE THE OTHER ONE FOR, UH, JEFF, THE, THE COLOR ONE. THANK YOU. SORRY FOR BEING ANNOYING. UM, UH, RIGHT AROUND HERE, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S WHERE THE SLOPE IS. SO, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING'S GETTING PUSHED THIS WAY AND OBVIOUSLY EVERYTHING'S GETTING PUSHED THIS WAY. UM, SO, BUT, BUT, BUT THEY'VE COMMITTED TO MANAGEMENT. OH, I AGREE. YEAH. I MEAN, I'M JUST MAKING IT A RECORD THAT IT IS BAD ALREADY. SO I, I'LL, I'LL SHOW IT. THERE'S NO MANAGEMENT WHATSOEVER OUT THERE TODAY. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. YEAH, WE, IT WE'RE DONE. THAT'S WHY I SAY IT COULD BE BETTER POSSIBLY. IT COULD BE BETTER. IT WILL BE. YES. IT HAS TO BE FOR THE ORDINANCE. SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T THINK THAT ACCOUNT THAT IT'S GONNA GET BETTER. NOW WE CAN'T STOP WHAT'S COMING DOWN IN WILSON ROAD, BUT THAT'S MY POINT. YEAH. WE'RE GONNA STOP THAT. UM, BUT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO ENHANCE YOUR PROBLEM. AGREED. OKAY. APPRECIATE, UM, LEAST LISTENING AND, UM, YEAH, SO LOT. I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS TRYING TO MOVE THIS HOUSE AROUND AND PUTTING THE BERM MU MUCH APPRECIATED. AND AGAIN, UM, I KNOW ANDY MADE THE POINT OF CONTINUING OVER THAT THAT CAN BE CONTINUED DOWN THROUGH THE, UH, THE REST OF THE, UH, THE NEIGHBOR'S BACKYARDS. UM, IS THIS, I GUESS I, I, THE WAY YOU GUYS MOVE THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE DECK IS OUTSIDE THE BUILDING ENVELOPE AND I WAS TRYING TO, IF, IF THAT, IF THAT'S TRUE, IS, IS THAT, IS THAT OKAY WITH THE ORDINANCES? THERE'S A PROVISION WITHIN THE ORDINANCE THAT A DECK CAN EXTEND INTO THE REAR YARD SETBACK OR SIDE YARD SETBACK? A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE. I CERTAINLY HAVEN'T SCALED THIS OFF TO, TO SEE IF THEY COMPLY. 'CAUSE A DECK IS CONCEPTUAL, THIS IS CONCEPTUAL, AND TRUST ME, 95% OF THE PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME IN AND NOT PUT THE DECK WHERE THEY THINK IT'S GONNA BE BUILT. SO YEAH, IT'S A, IT IS A QUESTIONABLE PLACE TO HAVE A DECK. UM, BUT GENERALLY THERE'S PROVISIONS IN THE ORDINANCE WHERE YOU CAN EXTEND THE, INTO THE REAR YARD. OKAY. I I, YEAH, I IT IS RESEARCH. IT SOUNDED LIKE IT HAD TO BE WITHIN THE BUILDING AND BELOW, BUT NO, AND I MEAN, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I THINK IT'S NOT MORE THAN 10 OR 15 FEET INTO ANY REAR YARD SETBACK. TO ME THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT AGAIN, I, I'M NOT SCALING ANYTHING OFF. GOT IT. UM, WITH THIS, MY, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE DIAGRAM YOU GUYS MADE OF THE THREE YEAR RENDERING, THAT LOOKS GREAT. I WASN'T SURE HOW, WHY THIS AREA WAS. DID YOU HAVE A MAYBE, IS IT 20 FEET WIDE? 25, 50 WIDE? 25. 25, OKAY. UM, ARE THOSE GONNA BE BUILT? I MEAN, I KNOW THIS IS ALL LIKE WAY DOWN THE LINE. I WOULD'VE HOPE THAT THESE WOULD BE BUILT ALMOST BEFORE OR DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, NOT AT THE, WE'VE HAD OTHER DEVELOPERS OFFER, TYPICALLY PLANTING COMES DEPENDING ON THE PLANTING SEASON, DEPENDING WHEN THEY START. WE'VE HAD OTHER DEVELOPERS, UM, TOLL BROTHERS, OH NO, I'M SORRY, OTTAWA. LAND DEVELOPMENT BEING THE MAIN ONE, OFFER TO PUT IN THE LANDSCAPING FOR THIS FIRST SO THAT IT STARTS TO GROW NO MATTER WHAT THEIR TIMELINE IS. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THAT, BUT WE COULD, THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD MAKE THAT A SUGGESTION. THE BOARD COULD MAKE THAT A SUGGESTION. AND, AND THAT AND THAT SITUATION JEFF'S [00:50:01] TALKING ABOUT, THAT WORKED OUT REALLY WELL. THE NEIGHBORS LOVED IT. YOU KNOW, THEY WERE ALL HERE. WE HAD, I DON'T MAYBE THAT NIGHT. YEAH. A LOT. 50, 60, 80 PEOPLE HERE. AND THE DEVELOPER SAID, HEY, WE WILL BUILD THIS THING A LITTLE BIT. AND IT WENT AWAY LIKE THAT OVERNIGHT, IT WENT AWAY. SO PLEASE KEEP TALKING. RIGHT. IT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA. YEAH. MR. HAMLET, MR. HE, HI HIPLET, WRITE THAT DOWN. . BUT IT'S AT THE PERIMETER. UH, SO THE FIRST TOP SOIL TO BE MOVED, UH, AND SUB SOILS, IT WOULD BE THE BEST THING TO GET IT TO THE PARAMETER AND STABILIZE IT IMMEDIATELY. SO, AND, AND YEAH, IF WE COULD, YOU GUYS CAN WORK THAT OUT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I MEAN, IT'S CERTAINLY, IT IS NOTHING WE CAN REQUIRE, BUT IT IS SOMETHING YOU CAN WORK, THEY CAN WORK OUT TOGETHER. AND LIKE I SAY, THE EXAMPLES JEFF JUST GAVE, IT WORKED PERFECTLY. IT WORK. I MEAN, IT LITERALLY, THOSE PEOPLE WENT AWAY 'CAUSE THEY WERE HAPPY WITH IT. SO PLEASE TALK TO MR. HITLER, YOU GUYS TALK, TALK TO HIM, UM, WITH ALL THESE RETENTION AREAS VERSUS HAVING A BIG RETENTION POND. I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S CONCERNED OF LIKE, HEY, SOMEBODY'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, JUST BUILD A POOL BACK HERE WITH ALL THIS RESTRICTED AREA. OBVIOUSLY NOBODY CAN BUILD POOLS IN ANY OF THESE AREAS. AND SO I, I'M REALLY HOPEFUL THAT THESE ARE REALLY MARKED OUT WELL BECAUSE ALL THESE AREAS, IF THEY, ITS A COUPLE GO AWAY AND PEOPLE DON'T BUILDING SHEDS OR POOLS WHERE THEY CAN'T REALLY, THERE'S NOT MUCH ROOM IN MANY OF THESE LOTS TO DO THAT STUFF. THAT DOES CONCERN ME. I SHARE YOUR CONCERN. I MEAN, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK THROUGH AND AS FIT WITH THE ORDINANCE AND JEFF AND TEAM WILL YEAH. I MEAN, DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT COULD HAPPEN, AT LEAST HALF OF THESE PEOPLE HERE ARE GONNA PUT IN A POOL. RIGHT. AND THERE'S NO ROOM TO PUT THE POOL IN. RIGHT. WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? BUT I MEAN THAT THERE, THERE'S A LITTLE BUYER BEWARE ON THAT ALSO. BUT THAT'S, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA FIGURE SOMETHING OUT AND HAVE THAT SO THAT WE KNOW. COOL. RIGHT. UM, I THINK, YEAH, I MEAN MY ONLY OTHER SUGGESTION WAS IF, IF THAT EXCEPTION THAT YOU GUYS HAVE OVER HERE. WELL IF, IF WE PUT THE OPEN AREA HERE, THERE'S NO, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NO, UH, THERE'S NOT MUCH SLOPE THERE. SO THAT WOULD SATISFY THE EXCEPTION. SO I'LL THROW THAT IDEA OUT THERE. THAT'S THE, TO THOSE WE WOULD BE, THERE WOULD BE NO EXCEPTION IF WE MAKE THIS AREA MORE OF AN OPEN AREA VERSUS THIS AREA THAT'S REALLY SLOPE, UM, TO APPLY WITH THE, THE ORDINANCE. SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S ALL. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. UM, JUST FROM OWN LEARNING EXPERIENCE WHEN YOU BOUGHT YOUR LOTS, UH, AND YOU CAN ANSWER THIS TOO, MR, MR. CHERYL . BOY, I'M BAD, AREN'T I, ? UM, I'LL BREAK THESE DOWN TO, YEAH, I GOTTA START, I GOTTA START RIGHT UP. THAT, UM, WHEN YOU BOUGHT YOUR LOTS AND YOU BUILT YOUR HOUSE AND YOU WERE HAPPY AND EVERYTHING, DID YOU GUYS EVER, ANY, WAS THERE ANY NOTIFICATION FROM THE BUILDER THAT YOU GUYS, THE DEVELOPER, YOU THAT FROM YOUR PROPERTY THAT, HEY, THIS PROPERTY BEHIND ME HERE COULD BE DEVELOPED? I, I THINK I, WE HEAR THIS ALL THE TIME. I SEE PEOPLE LIKE YOU GUYS COME IN AND SAY, YOU KNOW, NOBODY EVER TOLD US THAT THIS COULD BE DEVELOPED BACK HERE. WE BOUGHT THIS LOT. WE THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE A FARM AND COWS AND DOGS AND EVERYTHING AND IT'S GONNA BE GREAT. NOBODY EVER THINKS ABOUT, DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT WHEN YOU BOUGHT THESE LOTS, THESE PARTICULAR LOTS? OH, A HUNDRED PERCENT. NO. I MEAN, I, I WAS HOPEFUL IT EVENTUALLY IT WOULD BE DEVELOPED ON, AND I'M KNOW THAT, I MEAN THIS, THIS LOOKS NICE. IT'S A CONCERNING OF WHERE, HOW THIS DEVELOPMENT IS LAID OUT SEEMS FROM OTHER PEOPLE'S OPINIONS. SEEMS A LITTLE ROUGH THE WAY IT'S, IT, I THOUGHT THERE COULD BE A BETTER LAYOUT. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT. OKAY. UM, SO THAT'S THE, BUT THANK YOU AGAIN. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? YOUR TURN. OH, GO ON. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE. I ALREADY WROTE 'EM DOWN. I'VE GOTTA GO NEXT. BILL, TRAVELING BLACKROCK ROAD, UM, TO THE NEIGHBORS AT HIGHLAND. UM, I FARMED THAT PIECE OF GROUND WHERE YOUR HOUSES ARE AND I HAD TO FARM IT WHEN IT WANTED TO BE FARMED. IT WAS WET A LOT OF TIMES. I FINISHED PICKING CORN IN JANUARY BECAUSE I HAD TO WAIT TILL IT FROZE. NOW, UH, WHERE'S THE CORN? HERE, HERE I'M GONNA SHOW YOU SOMETHING CASE. OKAY. RIGHT ALONG HERE. I COULD NEVER FARM THAT BECAUSE IT WAS SO WET. IT WAS ALWAYS STAYED IN HAY. I COULDN'T PUT CORN IN THERE. I COULDN'T PUT ANYTHING IN THERE BECAUSE IT WAS THAT LENGTH. SO THAT THIS WHOLE, YOUR WHOLE DEVELOPMENT THERE IS SPRINGS. THERE'S SPRINGS UNDER THERE. AND LIKE I SAID, I HAD TO FARM IT WHEN I, WHEN IT WANTED TO BE FARMED, NOT WHEN I NEEDED TO. SO WHERE WERE YOU WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING THEIR HOUSES? I WAS WATCHING THEM WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING. OH, [00:55:01] I'LL, I MUST TELL YOU, WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING THE HOUSES, THOSE BASEMENT YOUR BASEMENTS HAD WATER IN. I'M SERIOUS. I I SAW TWO OF THE BASEMENTS COMPLETELY LEVEL WITH WATER. SO THE WATER PROBLEM IS NOT EXACTLY FROM THIS PIECE, BUT IT'S ALL OVER. SO THAT'S, NO, THIS IS MY EXPERIENCE FROM FARMING. AND IT, IT IS, NO, IT WAS WET. SO AS FAR AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THAT'S MORE INFORMATION FOR YOU. WE APPRECIATE THAT. SO THE WATER, WATER IS NOTHING NEW AND SOMETHING ELSE. THAT'S A GOOD STATEMENT. WATER'S NOTHING NEW. EXACTLY. I'M GONNA REMEMBER THAT. , WHEN I DEVELOPED MY FARM, NOW MY NEIGHBORS HAD WATER, WATER PROBLEMS. OKAY. JEFF, WERE YOU, YOU INVOLVED WITH THAT ONE? YEAH, WELL I KNEW ABOUT IT. I WASN'T REALLY YOU HAD, OKAY. WELL WE WENT THROUGH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT, DID ALL THE, WE HAD STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, ALL THAT WE HAD WENT THROUGH AND THE NEIGHBORS, NEIGHBORS ARE HAPPY THAN PIGS AND S**T BECAUSE COURT ON THAT COME TAKING NOTHING, MAN. LIKE THE FIRST TIME IT STOPPED THE WATER, IT, THEY HAVE TO RETAIN THE WATER ON THE PROPERTY. THERE'S A GREAT BIG, UH, YOUR DEVELOPMENT HAS THAT HUGE BASIN ON IT. THAT'S WHY, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF WATER THAT COMES OFF THERE. YEAH. IT, IT FILLS UP THE BRICK, SO. YEAH, EXACTLY. THERE'S A LOT OF WATER THERE. SO. ALRIGHT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. NO THANKS FOR INFO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS FOR YOUR CONCERN. ALRIGHT SIR, COME ON. LET'S HEAR FROM THE THIRD GUY OF THE THREE MUSKETEERS. OH, BEHIND HIM. I DIDN'T SEE THAT GUYS. UH, JUSTIN HAYES, 20 WILSON WAY. UH, THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US. THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING CONCERNS. UH, I WAS JUST SAYING THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US. THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING CONCERNS. APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE THE CONTINUAL COOPERATION AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS TOGETHER. UM, AND LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO WORK WITH YOU. UM, WE UNDERSTAND YOUR RIGHT TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY. WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT OBVIOUSLY YOU, YOU ARE ABLE TO, UM, BE PROFITABLE AND AND TAKE CARE AND JUST APPRECIATE THE PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AS YOU KNOW, YOU ASKED IF ANYONE EVER TOLD US, TOLD BROTHERS TOLD US NO ONE WOULD EVER LIVE THERE, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THEY WERE TRYING TO SELL TO US. AND THAT'S PEOPLE OVER ON WHAT THE SAME THING. THAT'S OUR FAULT FOR LISTENING AND THAT'S OKAY BROTHER. UM, YEAH, THEY'RE PROFITABLE I GUESS. UM, SO JUST APPRECIATE THE PARTNERSHIP. LET'S KEEP WORKING TOGETHER AND LET'S FIGURE THIS OUT. THANK YOU. GREAT. YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND BY YOU SAYING THAT, I'M TELLING YOU THAT THAT DEVELOPMENT OVER THERE ON, UM, UM, AND, UM, WHAT ROAD IS IT KAYLIN? NO, WHERE THE GOING TO THE MALL TO THE SHOPPING CENTER? WELL, SO YEAH, WELL WESTERN FROM YEAH, SOON, AS SOON AS THE TWO PEOPLE GOT TOGETHER, I MEAN IT REALLY WENT AWAY. YOU KNOW, THEY JUST HAD TO GET TOGETHER AND SAY, HERE'S MY CONCERNS, HERE'S OUR SOLUTIONS. AND IT WENT AWAY JUST THAT QUICKLY. SO I REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO KEEP TALKING TO MR. HE HERE PLEASE. I THINK YOU, I THINK IT WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO YOU AND IT SEEMS LIKE HE'S VERY OPEN TO IT. YES. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, THEN, UM, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? OH, SURE. JEN. JEFF, CAN YOU ZOOM INTO THE DRIVEWAY AND THE TURNAROUND AT THE BOTTOM OF LOTS? EIGHT AND NINE. THAT ONE? YEAH. SO JUST PERHAPS LOOK AT WHERE THE LOT LINE IS. I KNOW YOU'RE SAT SATISFYING THE FIRE MARSHAL. I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS ACTUALLY GOING, BUT THE LOT LINE CREATES THE LITTLE PAD AREA IN THE FRONT YARD THAT'S SEPARATED BY GRASS. SO LIKE THAT PROPERTY OWNER LOOKS LIKE HE HAS TWO DRIVEWAYS. SO JUST MAKE SURE THE SHARED ACCESS EASEMENTS COVER THAT, YOU KNOW, AREA IN THERE AND MAKE SURE THAT THE LOT LINE, I MEAN IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD SCOOT OVER A LITTLE BIT SO THAT HE HAS CONTIGUOUS ASPHALT ON HIS LOT. IS THAT UNLOCKING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JEFF? YEAH. WELL YOU SEE THE TREE THAT'S THERE RIGHT NEXT TO THE PROPERTY LINE? YEAH. YEAH. IT CREATES A LITTLE BIT OF IT. IT JUST CREATES A LITTLE FUNKY AREA. OKAY. ON THAT ONE HOUSE. THAT'S WHAT I SEE. YEAH. SO MAYBE SHIFT THE LOT OVER A LITTLE BIT. GIVE THAT PROPERTY OWNER MORE DRIVEWAY, YOU KNOW, MORE OF THAT SHARED AREA. RIGHT, RIGHT. JUST A THOUGHT. IT'S NOT AN ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT. AGAIN, YOU NEED TO SATISFY THE FIRE MARSHAL, BUT IT'S JUST AN ODD CONFIGURATION FOR THAT PROPERTY OWNER IN THE FUTURE. SIR. NOPE. BRIAN, ANYTHING FROM YOU? NO, IT'S GONNA CONCERN ANY TRAFFIC ISSUES? NOPE. NOPE. [01:00:01] OKAY, THEN BACK TO US. UH, DO WE WANT TO SEND THIS FORWARD UNDERSTANDING THAT TO JOE'S POINT THAT THE, UH, ZONING ISSUES NEED TO BE RESOLVED AT SOME POINT AND UH, AND DO WE WANNA RECOMMEND THIS OFF TO, UH, THE SUPERVISORS TO REVISIT IT AND, UH, MOVE IT TO THE NEXT STAGE? WE HAVE CONCERNS, WE WANNA TALK ABOUT IT OR NO? I, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THEN APPROVE THE TENTATIVE PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CONVERSATIONS, UH, THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED THIS EVENING AND THAT WE'LL COMPLY WITH THE LETTERS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED BY OUR CONSULTANTS FIRE MARSHAL AND OBVIOUSLY THE, UH, ZONING HEARING ISSUES THAT YET NEED TO BE RESOLVED. YEAH, I THINK THAT COVERS IT. REALLY GOOD, JOE. THANK YOU. UM, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS THEY CONFORM AND WE GET TO THE NEXT STAGE, I THINK WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO SECOND THAT OR DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? KEN? I'M GOOD. I'LL, I'LL SECOND THAT UNLESS ANYBODY OBJECT. SO WE GOT A SECOND. KEN, YOU GOOD? YEP. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY. YOU GO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK. PLEASE TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS PLEASE. OKAY. LOOKS LIKE WE'RE MOVING ON TO, UH, OUR FRIENDS AT, UH, THE QUEST REDEVELOPMENT. AND HERE SHE COMES. WE HAVEN'T SEEN YOU IN A WHILE. I KNOW IT'S BEEN A WHILE. WELL, AS WE RUN OUTTA LAND, I GUESS YOU'RE MOVED OFF, HUH? OH, WE'LL BE HERE FOR, FOR A WHILE. SO I'LL BE, I'LL BE HERE THAT WE'RE RUNNING OUTTA LAND. I THOUGHT YOU MOVED AWAY OR SOMETHING. I THINK IF YOU GUYS WANT TO QUICKLY APPROVE ALL THE PROJECTS, SHE WAS GLADLY YEAH, EXACTLY. BY AND HANG OUT. MAYBE WE SHOULD DENY THIS SO WE CAN SEE MUCH ANYMORE. SO WE LIKE THIS HERE. WELL SEE NOW WHAT'S HIS NAME? AND ED. ED BOB. I KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE YOU ED, RECORD THAT PREFER I, NOW I APOLOGIZE. ALRIGHT, WELL GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. ALLISON, ON BEHALF OF HIGH TOP, UM, DEVELOPMENT. UM, TONIGHT WE'RE HERE ONLY ABOUT THE MINOR SUBDIVISION PLAN. I'M NOT HERE TONIGHT ABOUT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT, SO THIS IS VERY SIMPLE. UM, IF YOU RECALL WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE PRELIMINARY PLAN PROCESS, UM, THE, THE PROPERTY TODAY IS ACTUALLY THREE DIFFERENT LOTS OR PARCELS OF LAND I'LL CALL IT, WHICH IS SORT OF ODD CONSIDERING THAT IT IS APPROVED AND CONSTRUCTED, UM, TODAY DEVELOPED WITH AN OFFICE BUILDING AND PARKING LOT. UM, AND AS YOU KNOW, FOR THE, UM, OVERALL LAND DEVELOPMENT, WE ARE PROPOSING A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT AND A COMMERCIAL COMPONENT, WHICH ULTIMATELY WE WOULD LIKE TO SUBDIVIDE SO THAT THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT IS ITS OWN LOT THAT'LL BE MANAGED AND OPERATED BY, YOU KNOW, A COMMERCIAL OPERATOR. THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT WILL BE SUBJECT TO A CONDOMINIUM, UM, THAT WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COMMON FACILITIES RELATED TO THE RESIDENTIAL. HOWEVER, AS A, AS A COURT THAT WE'VE LEARNED OVER TIME WITH THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY RECORDER OF DEEDS, THEY DON'T LIKE TO HAVE THE SUBDIVISION EMBEDDED INTO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT PLANS. YES, GENTLEMEN, GENTLEMEN, IF, IF YOU COULD JUST TAKE THE CONVERSATION OUT TO THE HALLWAY. THANK YOU. UM, SO, SO WE HAVE PROPOSED AS A SEPARATE CLAN SO THAT WE CAN RECORD IT FIRST, UM, AND SATISFY THEM. WE'RE PROPOSING THE SIMPLE MINOR SUBDIVISION. UH, YOU HAD RECOMMENDED PRELIMINARY PLAN APPROVAL OF IT AT THE TIME WE DID THE LAND DEVELOPMENT. WE DID THEM COMBINED. WE WERE HERE THE SAME NIGHT. UM, AND THEN, UH, WE HAVE NOW FILED BOTH THE FINAL PLAN FOR SUBDIVISION AND LAND DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE'RE HERE TONIGHT FIRST, UM, JUST ON THE SUBDIVISION PLAN. SO, UM, WE HAVE A, A DRAFT REVIEW LETTER FROM JEN'S OFFICE. DID, SO I WANT YES. STEP ON YOUR TOES COMPLETELY, BUT AS ALLISON SAID, THAT'S A DRAFT REVIEW LETTER. I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REWRITE A FINAL LETTER. THEY DID MAKE A SUBMISSION AFTER THIS LETTER WENT OUT AND THEY HAVE PROVIDED LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS AND A PLAN THAT IS ADEQUATE. SO OUR NEXT LETTER WILL RECOMMEND, UM, APPROVAL OF THAT MINOR SUBDIVISION AND THAT DRAFT LETTER WILL GO AWAY. YEAH, WE SUBMITTED ON FRIDAY, SO I APPRECIATE YOU YEAH. TAKING A LOOK AT, SO WE WERE ABLE TO REVIEW IT BUT NOT WRITE YEAH, WRITE THE LETTER. UNDERSTOOD. SO IT'S IT, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DRAFT LETTER, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S PRIMARY, IT WAS PRIMARILY FIXING THINGS RELATED TO THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION, SO NOT EVEN THE PLAN ITSELF. UM, SO I'M SEEKING A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT, UM, ON FINAL APPROVAL JUST FOR THE MINOR SUBDIVISION PLAN. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. [01:05:01] I GUESS MY QUESTION IS TO ZACH, DO YOU SEE ANY LEGAL ISSUES, BENEFITS, OR, OR, OR, NO. I MEAN, THIS IS MORE LIKE A FORMALITY THAN ANYTHING. EXACTLY. THIS IS A FORMALITY. THIS IS JUST, UH, LETTING THEM KIND OF SPLIT THE PROPERTY BETWEEN THE TWO DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE DEVELOPMENT. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY STILL HAVE TO COME IN FOR THE, THE MAJORITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT. UM, SO I I, I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUE WITH, WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS AT THIS POINT. YOU DON'T HAVE THE COLOR PICTURE OF THIS SUBJECT. YOU NO, I DO NOT. I MEAN, I CAN TRY. THIS IS THE NEW LINE RIGHT HERE, WHICH GOES, THIS WILL BE THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE AT THE TOP. BLACK ROCK IS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PLAN, 20 NINES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PLAN. THIS IS OUR COMMERCIAL PIECE. YOU CAN SEE LIKE THIS LINE DOWN HERE. SO THE, THE UNDERLYING LINES THAT ARE BEING CONSOLIDATED ARE, ARE FAINTER, BUT I MEAN, IT'S AN ODD PERSONAL CONFIGURATION TODAY. FOR SOME REASON IT WAS NEVER CONSOLIDATED PREVIOUSLY. AM AM I RIGHT IN, IN THAT THERE'S A CREEK YES. UP THERE THAT'S IN THAT, EXPLAIN THAT. THE CREEK EASEMENT TO ZONE AREA THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. SO THAT EXISTS TODAY AND WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE IT. WE WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, A, A CROSSING OVER TO MAKE CONNECTIONS AND THERE'S AN EMERGENCY ACCESS ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT'S ON, UH, CLOSER ON THE EAST SIDE. I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT THAT'S KIND OF A NATURAL. YES. SO THAT'S A NATURAL BREAK POINT SEPARATION, IF YOU WILL. AND THERE IS, THERE IS A ON, ON RECORD PLANS AND WE'RE RETAINING IT HERE. AND THEN ALSO GOING FORWARD ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THERE WAS A NOTATION OF A WATER CORE EASEMENT. ESSENTIALLY THAT AREA IS PROTECTED. WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO IT, THAT NATURAL DRAINAGE PATTERN. WE'LL CONTINUE, BUT YOU'RE CORRECT. THAT WAS THE NATURAL BREAK TO SORT OF HAVE THIS LAYOUT. I MEAN, EVEN TODAY, THE, THE PARKING LOT IN THE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LARGE PARKING LOT BACK HERE. IT'S SORT OF A BREAK FROM WHERE THE BUILDING AND THE FRONT PARKING IS. SO YOU, YOU'RE TAKING THREE PROPERTIES, WHICH ARE MARKED WITH THE Z'S, MARKING OUT THE LINES, COMBINING THEM AND SUBDIVIDING INTO TWO PROPERTIES, AND THE CONSERVATION OR WATER EASEMENT IS ALREADY THERE AND THAT'S IT. CORRECT. THAT'S IT. OKAY. AND, AND IF FOR SOME REASON, YOU KNOW, LIKE FRANKLY WE'LL BE BACK NEXT MONTH HOPEFULLY, BUT FOR SOME REASON IF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT DIDN'T GO FORWARD, EVEN IF THIS WERE, YOU KNOW, TO BE RECORDED, IT, IT FRANKLY CLEANS IT UP A LITTLE MORE THAN EVEN THE WAY IT EXISTS TODAY. SO, SO WHAT DO WE DO HERE, ZACH? UM, YOU WOULD JUST BE LOOKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO APPROVE OR NOT APPROVE THE, THE, THE SUBDIVISION. THE SUBDIVISION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TO ALLISON OR ANY CONCERNS? HOW ABOUT YOU GUYS? NO. ANYTHING JEN? NO, NOTHING NOT. ALRIGHT. SO THEN I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO, UH, TO UH, TO RECOMMEND OR NOT RECOMMEND TO THE SUPERVISORS FOR THIS MINOR SUBDIVISION IN THE, UH, QUEST DEVELOPMENT. I'LL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINOR SUBDIVISION. OKAY, WE GOT MADE A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND. SO JOE JOE'S GOT A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. THANK YOU JOHNSON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH EVERYONE. THANK YOU. HANG OUT FOR A LITTLE BIT. SURE. WE WON'T BE MUCH LONGER. THANKS. YOU SOUNDED PRETTY CONFIDENT ABOUT THAT, JEFF. YEAH, , WE GOT A LOT TO TALK ABOUT. YOU GOT A LOT OF ISSUES. WE'RE JUST GETTING STARTED. SHE'S STILL HER CLIENT OR SHE'S OKAY WITH IT. OKAY. SO JEFF, UM, UH, I DIDN'T ASK YOU ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT BY THE WAY. WAS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE'VE ALREADY PROVED? IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT? CYNTHIA? CYNTHIA? [DISCUSSION: FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS] UM, JEFF FUTURE AGENDA, UH, ON THE NEXT MEETING WE'RE GONNA STICK TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL. SO WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE OFFICIAL MAP AND A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT THAT CLEANS UP OUR ORDINANCE A LITTLE BIT, THE COUNTY AND RECOMMENDED AND SUGGESTED WE DO THAT. SO THAT'S WHY THE OFFICIAL MAP IS ONE OF THE REASONS THE OFFICIAL MAP IS COMING BACK. I HAVE THAT DRAFT DONE. ACTUALLY, I'LL PROBABLY CIRCULATE A LITTLE BIT EARLY THE RIGHT OF WAY MAP. WE MAKE, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THAT AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO RIDGE PIKE ZONING DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD AT THE LAST UH, WORKSHOP SESSION. UM, AGAIN, LOOKING AT WHAT WE CAN DO THERE AND WHAT YOU KNOW, WHERE WE CAN GO WITH IT. 'CAUSE IT IS, IT IS A BIT OF A CHALLENGE. SO I GO AHEAD. ARE WE AT A POINT WITH THE OFFICIAL MAP AND THE, UH, THOSE BOTH MAPS, ARE WE AT A POINT TO APPROVE THEM THAT YES, BECAUSE I'VE MADE SOME CHANGES TO THE OFFICIAL MAP AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS A LOT OF THE LEGACY ROAD PROJECTS THAT WERE ON THE OFFICIAL MAP DID NOT CARRY FORWARD. I REMEMBER. SO I I'VE PUT THOSE [01:10:01] ON THERE. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME OTHER, SOME MINOR CHANGES AND I'LL POINT THOSE OUT TO YOU AND THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THE RIGHT OF WAY MAP. THERE WERE SOME JUST SOME GRAPHICAL DETAILS. I JUST WANNA PUT IT BACK TO THE PROCESS WHERE YOU MAKE ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION ON THE RIGHT MAP DATE ON THE RIGHT MAP AND THEN THAT GOES TO THE BOARD AND THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THEIR REVIEW. SO THAT, SO THAT'LL BE THE FINAL THAT WILL KNOCK ON WOOD AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED. YEAH. WELL HOW ABOUT HOPEFULLY HOPEFUL. HOW ABOUT THE, UM, QUESTIONS WE HAD ON SOME OF THOSE TRAFFIC, UM, AREAS, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, THAT WE WERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THREE OR FOUR MAJOR SECTIONS WE WANTED TO TRY TO, WE TALKED ABOUT CAMERAS, WE TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS WHERE, WHERE'S THAT ALL STAND AT THIS POINT? YEAH, SO WHERE THAT STANDS IS THAT THE TOWNSHIP IS, UM, HAS OR IS HAS, DID WE MAKE THAT, I FORGET THE DEADLINE, BUT SOON IT'S EITHER HAS OR IS VERY SOON, UH, PUTTING IN A GRANT APPLICATION TO GET FUNDING FOR ALL OF THAT. WELL THAT'S FOR THE FOUR INTERSECTIONS. FOUR OR FIVE INTERSECTIONS, CORRECT. WHOEVER IT WAS. YEAH. IF THE SUPERVISORS THAT APPROVED THAT, THAT THEY, THEY LIKED IT OR THEY THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA OR WHERE DOES THAT STAND WITH THAT? THAT'S ADMINISTRATIVE. SO WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. OKAY. WHEN WE HAVE TO PUT A, A RESOLUTION IN FRONT OF THE BOARD ACCEPTING A GRANT, WE, WE, WE WILL DO THAT. BUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE, SO YOU GO TO THE GRANT FIRST, THEN YOU PRESENT IT TO THE BOARD, SAY, HEY, HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT THEY'RE AWARE OF. IT GETS SOME INTERNAL REPORTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT, SO THAT TAKES SPARE OF THOSE FIVE INTERSECTIONS? WELL THEY WERE, EXCEPT FOR THE RED LIGHT CAMERAS, WHICH ARE A SEPARATE ISSUE. CORRECT. AND THEN, AND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A POLICE QUESTION AND THAT'S UP TO THE POLICE TO MAKE THEIR DETERMINATION. SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE FUNDING FOR THAT MAY ALSO COME OUT OF THE ROAD FUNDING. IF THE PROJECT A AND B ARE LESS EXPENSIVE THAN WE, THAN WE BUDGETED FOR THE COMMITMENT FROM STAFF HAS BEEN TO MAYBE POSSIBLY TURN THAT AROUND TO USE FOR SOME OF THESE PROJECTS AS WELL. WELL, BUT THE RED LIGHT IS, IS THERE'S NO COST OF THE TOWNSHIP FOR THAT. IT'S ACTUALLY COULD MAKE MONEY AGAIN, I I I FIRMLY LEAVE THAT IN, IN THE, IN THE CHIEF OF POLICE'S HANDS. AND, AND SO THAT'S A QUESTION I THINK YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE FOR HIM. HE'S AWARE OF THE MEMO AND HE'S AWARE OF THE SUGGESTION. I THINK IT'S JUST HE NO HIGH PRIORITY. I DON'T, I THINK HE HAS SOME RESERVATIONS ABOUT IT AND I, I'M NOT, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK TO WHAT HIS OPINION IS. SO HOW, HOW, HOW DO WE INTERACT WITH HIM IN, IN THIS PROCESS? I I WOULD HAVE JUST HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HIM. I MEAN, THAT'S THE BEST PLACE TO START. I MEAN, WE SHOULD CALL HIM. NO, I MEAN YOU COULD, I I DON'T THINK HE, HOW DO WE INTERACT WITH HIM? I EITHER AT A MEETING OR IF YOU WANNA REACH OUT TO HIM VIA EMAIL OR CALL. I MEAN, HE'S ALWAYS WILLING TO LISTEN. SO WHAT, HOWEVER YOU NEED TO DO IT. YOU CAN DO IT. I MEAN, WELL, WE DON'T NEED TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA HERE. NO, NO, NO, I DON'T, I I THINK IT'S AT THIS POINT I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN INFORMAL DISCUSSION. WELL, COULD WE ASK YOU, JEFF, BECAUSE YOU SEE HIM OR YOU AROUND MORE THAN WE ARE, OBVIOUSLY LET'S REACH OUT TO HIM. COULD YOU ASK HIM JUST WHERE HE, WHERE HE IS AT WITH, WOULD YOU HAVE UPON ON BEHALF OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WOULD YOU ASK HIM WHERE HE'S AT WITH THAT? I CAN DO THAT. AND IF HE WOULD SAY, HEY, I, IT'S NOT ON MY PLATE RIGHT NOW, JUST LISTEN. GREAT IDEA'S. A TERRIBLE IDEA OR RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. YOU KNOW IT, YOU KNOW, JUST AND SAY ITS FOR, FOR US. WE'RE ASKING THAT QUESTION. YEP. OKAY. AND THEN THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL, UH, WE HAVE OUR MEETING MARCH 18TH. WE DON'T HAVE AN AGENDA YET. YOU HAVE NOTHING FOR RIGHT AT THIS POINT FOR THE, WHAT IS IT? THE FIFTH, FOURTH? UH, IT'D BE, IT'D BE MARCH 4TH. I'M THINKING WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE, UM, THE MENNONITE ROAD NINE LOT SUBDIVISION. I THINK THAT ONE'S FAIRLY CLOSE. I KNOW I JUST GOT THE COUNTY REVIEW ON IT. THERE'S UM, ALLISON OF COURSE IS GONNA TELL ME THAT THAT HOP THAT THAT QUEST IS GONNA BE ON THERE. IT'S BE ON THERE. YES. THE QUEST WILL BE ON THERE. WE SHOULD, NO ALLISON, I, I HOPE, WELL IT DEPENDS ON OUR ENGINEER , UH, LOVER'S LANE. AND JUST FOR THE SAKE OF THE RECORD, THE, THE ALLISON DID GIVE ME AN EXTENSION TO MARCH 31ST ON THAT. SO THAT PROBABLY WILL, SHOULD BE ON THE MARCH 4TH AGENDA AND POTENTIALLY CATALYST. THAT'S A FAIRLY SIMPLE ONE. SPRING FORD WALK, I DON'T THINK WE'VE RECEIVED ANY UPDATED PLANS YET, SO WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE WHERE THEY ARE. YERKEY STATION, HOPWOOD ROAD, THEIR STATUS QUO. AMELIA STREET. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. THEY WANT IT. I PRESUME THE AMELIA STREET, ELIA STREET IS SOMEWHAT INTO THE DISTANCE PROBABLY. WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS ON IT. I THINK THAT THE, THAT'S MY POINT. MR. PALEO IS GOING OUTTA TOWN FOR EXTENDED VACATION, SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S AT. OKAY, SO THAT'S WHY. YES. OKAY. AUGUST AND THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE. [01:15:02] UM, OKAY. UM, JUST SOME OF THE OTHER ONES, JEFF. THEY ARE OUT THERE THAT THEY'RE WAY OUT THERE. HOW ABOUT PARKHOUSE HERE? ANYTHING? WHERE WE AT PARKHOUSE IS HAVING A MEETING WITH JEN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. DEP ABOUT SOME STORM WATER, I'M SORRY, SOME STREAM BANK RESTORATION, FLOOD PLAIN AND A FLOODPLAIN RESTORATION. AND, BUT THEY HAD PUT A FORMAL PLAN INTO US. WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT AND THAT'S THE PATH THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD ON AND WHERE THEY'RE GETTING THEIR ADVICE. UM, BUT WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FORMAL ON IT AT THIS POINT. SO WHERE ARE WE WITH APPLICATION? WE WE'RE NOT, THERE IS NO ACTIVE APPLICATION ON THAT. THEY HAVE RECEIVED THEIR CONDITIONAL USE IN THEIR TENTATIVE LAND, OR I'M SORRY, THEIR TENTATIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL THROUGH THAT PROCESS. I THINK THAT WAS MAY, JUNE OF 2024. SO WOULD THEY NEED TO COME BACK WITH A NEW TENTATIVE OR NO, THEY JUST NEED TO COME BACK WITH PRELIMINARY. IT'S THEIR NEXT STAGE. OKAY. SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE WITH IT. THEY KEEP SAYING WE'LL HAVE IT FOR YOU SOON, . OKAY. I'M NOT IN ANY RUSH. NO, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS IT JUST, YEAH. WE HEARD THINGS THAT WEREN'T WORKING OUT WELL AND YEAH. AND UH, ANOTHER POINT, I KNOW YOU WERE OUT FOR MONTH NEXT MONTH FOR MARCH. APRIL. APRIL, APRIL. I'LL GET IT DONE BY APRIL. IF THERE'S ANY OTHER VACATIONS OR STUFF LIKE THAT, JUST LET ME KNOW OR IF WORK COMES UP, I GET IT. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I ALWAYS HAVE A QUORUM SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING GOING ON, JUST LET ME KNOW. OKAY. WITH ALL THAT SAID, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? EVERYBODY ELSE? ANYBODY ELSE? ZACH, YOU GOOD? GOOD. ALRIGHT. I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I'LL MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN TODAY'S MEETING. ALRIGHT, CHERRY. THANK YOU. SECOND. SECOND. ALRIGHT, KEVIN, JOE, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.