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THE BACK.CAN YOU JUST CALL IT LIKE, THE DOOR DOES
[CALL TO ORDER / MOTION TO APPROVE JANUARY 21, 2026 AGENDA]
CALL THE ORDER PLANNING, COMMISSION MEETING FOR WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 21.DO WE HAVE ENOUGH? WE HAVE ENOUGH.
YOU ENDED UP PAYING A LOT OUT.
WE DIDN'T RAISE ANY OTHER MONEY, RIGHT? NO, THAT'S TRUE.
YEAH, BUT YOU FOR WHAT? SO, UH, FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO IS APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING.
AND, UH, HERE'S WHAT THE MAP DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.
HOW SO? HE PUT, SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
SO THERE'S THE AGENDA FOR TODAY, GUYS.
THEN HOW DID HE GET HIS MONEY BACK? DIDN'T HE GET MONEY BACK? MAJOR MILESTONE? NO.
UH, SECOND OF ALL, SOMETHING PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYBODY PLEASE STEP FORWARD AND ENTER.
UH, WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, SO HE PUT IN ONE 50, OKAY? UH, OFFER NON AGENDA ITEMS RIGHT INTO OUR, UH, WE HAVE NO MINUTES TO APPROVE, RIGHT? NO, WE, WE ONLY APPROVE THOSE AT THE, UH, THE FIRST MEETING OF THE MONTH.
[GENERAL DISCUSSION ITEMS]
UM, THE FIRST THING THAT WE NEED TO DO IS, I JUST NEED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT CATALYST DISTRIBUTION IS PUT IN A PLAN.THAT'S THE NAME OF THE COMPANY, HAS PUT IN A PLAN FOR 124,000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION CENTER IN PROVIDENCE BUSINESS PARK.
THAT'S THE SAME PLACE AS HB FRAZIER, THE 60,000 K FLEX BUILDING THAT WE APPROVED YEARS AGO.
THE GLOBAL PACKAGING BUILDING.
UM, THIS IS SORT OF THEIR LAST SITE.
SO AGAIN, AS WE STARTED LAST MONTH, WE'RE JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT THE PLAN IS IN IT TONIGHT.
THEY ARE ASKING FOR A WAIVER OF TENTATIVE AND PRELIMINARY PLAN.
I'M NOT QUITE SURE THAT'S GONNA BE FEASIBLE, BUT WE WILL REVIEW THE PLAN AND GO FROM THERE.
WELL, THEY, THEY ALREADY HAVE A LAID OUT RIGHT.
INVESTOR PART, RIGHT? SO AS LONG AS THEY FIT IN THAT ENVELOPE OF WHATEVER, RIGHT? THAT'S WHY I'M NOT TELLING THEM.
THAT'S WHY I'M NOT TELLING THEM, HEY, LOOK, YOU CAN'T DO THIS.
IF IT WAS, IF THIS WAS RAW GROUND, I WOULD BE JUST TELLING THEM FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT, I CAN'T LET YOU DO THIS.
WHAT'S IN HERE NOW? IT'S EMPTY.
WE ALSO APPROVED, REMEMBER THIS IS ALSO PD WAREHOUSE.
SO THIS IS SORT OF THE, I THINK THE SECOND WAREHOUSE THAT'S GONE IN THERE.
BEFORE THAT, THERE WAS THE, UH, THE REHAB, THIS IS BEFORE JERRY'S TIME.
I THINK YOU TWO WERE STILL ON THE BOARD, THE REHAB FACILITY THAT WANTED TO GO IN THERE.
SO THEY, THEY CAME IN AND THEY GOT A CONDITIONAL USE.
THEY WENT THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS, GOT THE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR THE, FOR THIS, AND THEY DIDN'T WANNA GET TENTATIVE.
NOW THEY'RE COMING IN TO GET TENTATIVE.
THEY DIDN'T WANNA DO ANY OF THAT UNTIL THEY HAD A USER, I DON'T KNOW WHO THE USER IS.
THE APPLICATION SAYS THAT THERE, IT'S 54 EMPLOYEES AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE CAN FIND MORE ABOUT THAT AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A NEW PLAN SUBMISSION.
AND IT'S SETTING THE DATE SAYING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ACCEPTED IT AS A PLAN.
IT IS A W IT IS A DISTRIBUTION CENTER, THEY SAID.
SO IT'S NOT A, UH, IT'S NOT A, UH, DATA CENTER, IS IT? NO, NOT A DATA CENTER.
SO THE LIMERICK MEETING LAST NIGHT, THEY, AT THE BOARD MEETING THAT THEY HAD, THEY, UM, IT WAS A FOUR AND A HALF HOUR MEETING.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DATA CENTER, ABOUT THE POTENTIAL LAND SWAP.
AND LAST MONTH WHEN I SPOKE ABOUT US HAVING A DATA CENTER, THE TWO DATA CENTER PLANS OVER IN LIMERICK ARE MUCH, MUCH LARGER THAN US.
THAT ONE IN LIMERICK NOW IS CRAZY.
IT'S, YOU SEE HOW MUCH WATER, NOW I'VE CHANGED MY MIND ON THOSE THINGS.
DO YOU SEE HOW MUCH WATER THAT THING'S GOING? I, I'M 10 MILLION GALLONS A DAY OR SOMETHING.
THEY'RE GONNA BE PULLING ON THAT RIVER.
WE NEVER KNOW WHEN ONE, ONE MIGHT SHOW UP AT OUR DOORSTEP, SO.
WELL, I KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING, BUT BOY, DON'T SOUND.
WHEN YOU NO, NO, I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY, I'M JUST SAYING, I LEARNED AFTER WATCHING THAT LIMERICK STUFF AND READING UP, THERE'S A LOT OF BAD THINGS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN.
SO NOW THAT'S A HUGE SITE, DON'T GET ME WRONG.
WHETHER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 14 BUILDINGS OR SOMETHING BACK, BUT, UH, IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL A LOT MORE COMPLICATED THAN I THOUGHT IT WAS.
THAT, THAT ONE IS DEFINITELY IS MORE THAN, THAN OUR BUILDING WAS.
SO WE'VE ACCEPTED THAT PLAN, THE OFFICIAL MAP AND RIGHT OF WAY DISCUSSION.
I KNOW THAT THIS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS GIVEN THEIR BLESSING ON THE UPDATED, UM, OFFICIAL MAP AND RIGHT OF WAY.
THE, THE, THE ISSUE WE'VE RUN INTO IS WHEN I WAS, WHEN I GOT THE REVIEW BACK FROM THE COUNTY, THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE WE HAVE TO PUT IN THE ORDINANCE.
SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO WRITE THAT STILL.
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THEN AS I WAS LOOKING AT THE MAP, ESPECIALLY THE OFFICIAL MAP, THERE WERE SOME ROAD PROJECTS THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT ONTO THERE THAT ARE STILL POTENTIAL TOWNSHIP PROJECTS.I'M GONNA UPDATE THE RIGHT OF WAY MAP.
I KNOW BOWMAN HAD DONE A NICE VERSION OF IT, BUT THERE'S SOME THINGS ON THERE THAT I WANNA SHOW ON A RIGHT OF WAY MAP THAT THEY DON'T HAVE.
SO I'M GONNA READ YOU THAT TO FIT THE TOWNSHIP.
I'M, I'M SORRY, JUDGE, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU SUBMITTED A RIGHT OF WAY MAP TO THE, TO THE COUNTY YES.
AND THE RIGHT OF WAY MAP AND THE OFFICIAL MAP, BECAUSE THEY'RE OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS, THE COUNTY GETS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THEM AND THEN THEY COME BACK WITH SOME SUGGESTIONS OR THEY CAME BACK AND IT WASN'T ABOUT ANY OF YOUR POLICY THAT YOU SHOW ON THE, ON THE OFFICIAL MAP.
IT WAS MORE THE LANGUAGE IN OUR ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS US TO HAVE AN OFFICIAL MAP ISN'T, DOESN'T REFLECT THE WAY THE LANGUAGE SHOULD.
SO WE HAVE TO UPDATE THAT, WHICH MEANS A CODE CHANGE, WHICH ISN'T A HUGE LIFT IT, BUT IT DOES HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
SO ZACH IS IN THE PROCESS OF WRITING THAT SO THAT IT FITS LEGALLY.
AND THEN WHAT THE SUPERVISOR WILL VOTE ON IT, THE SUPERVISOR WILL VOTE ON IT.
BUT THE ISSUE AT HAND FOR YOU IS THAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION WAS ONLY FOR THIS OVER HERE, AND NOW IT'S BECOME THIS OVER HERE.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE THINGS THE BOARD IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT.
SAME INFORMATION, SAME POLICY, JUST A FEW ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGES.
AND GETTING YOU TO RE RECOMMEND APPROVAL, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO DO, IS JUST ANOTHER STEP IN THAT.
PART OF THAT WILL BE US REME RECOMMENDING APPROVAL YES.
AND THAT'S JUST BECAUSE OF THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE? IT'S THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE.
IT'S, I I, THERE'S A FEW ROAD IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT I, THAT WE'RE ON THE OLD OFFICIAL MAP THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON, DIDN'T CARRY OVER TO THE ONE THAT WAS REVIEWED BY THE COUNTY.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE ON THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING A LEGAL ISSUE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
IT'S JUST, I'M TRYING TO VISION IT.
I'M, I'M HAVING A LITTLE HARD TIME, YOU KNOW, SEEING IT REALLY IS, IT REALLY IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF JUST AN ADMINISTRATIVE CROSSING EVERY T AND DOTTING EVERY I, BECAUSE IT'S AN ORDINANCE CHANGE AND IT'S AN OFFICIAL MAP.
IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN JUST, HEY, WE LIKE THIS ONE BETTER.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MORE BECAUSE THE OFFICIAL MAP NEEDS TO SHOW THESE ROAD IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, WHICH ONE OF THEM IS THE EXTENSION OF BECHTEL ROAD, BECAUSE THAT'S A FAIRLY CONTROVERSIAL PROJECT, OR IT MIGHT BE, BUT THE BOARD HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST IN KEEPING THAT ON THE PLAN AND KEEPING THAT MOVING FORWARD.
IT, IT DIDN'T MAKE IT ON THE DRAFT.
WE HAD FOR WHATEVER REASON, AND THAT WAS PURELY MY MISTAKE.
AND THERE WAS ONE OTHER PROJECT ON THERE OF, OF A A THROUGH ROAD DOWN OFF OF LONGFORD ROAD THAT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EVER GOING TO HAPPEN OR NOT, BECAUSE IT'S AN EMPTY PARCEL TO AN INDUSTRIAL PARK.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVER GONNA HAPPEN, BUT IT'S NOT ON THIS, ON OUR UPDATED MAP.
AND I WANT TO KEEP IT ON THERE BECAUSE IT IS A VIABLE PROJECT AND SOMETHING THAT BECOMES A RELIEF FOR LONGFORD ROAD ACROSS E EGYPT, INTO THE INDUSTRIAL PARK, ACROSS LONGFORD ROAD, WHERE IT COMES DOWN AND BENDS HERE.
LET ME JUST SHOW YOU THE, SO YOU SEE THIS DOWN HERE? UH, OKAY.
THIS PARCEL IS MORE THAN DEVELOPABLE.
I MEAN, IT IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE PARCELS THAT I GET A FEW PHONE CALLS ABOUT A YEAR.
OH, CAN I DO THIS DOWN THERE? OH, CAN I DO THAT DOWN THERE? SO FAR NOBODY'S COME IN WITH ANYTHING FORMAL OR THEY'VE JUST SAID, HEY, I, I'M THINKING ABOUT PUTTING A BUNCH OF TOWNHOUSES DOWN THERE.
ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? WOULD THE TOWNSHIP CHANGE YOUR ORDINANCE? I USUALLY SAY THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS.
BUT TO THIS ROAD THAT IS SHOWN IN THERE IS, I THINK STILL IMPORTANT TO THE TOWNSHIP BECAUSE ONCE YOU GET DOWN TO THAT PART OF LONGFORD ROAD, THE ONLY OTHER WAY TO GO IS TO GO THROUGH, UM, PORT PROVIDENCE AND MONTCLAIR.
ON ROADS THAT AREN'T DESIGNED TO HAVE ANY SORT OF TRUCK LIKE THAT.
AND IT'S THE SAME THING FOR THE RELIEF OF, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS AREA RIGHT IN HERE, IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.
THE ONLY PLACE FOR TRUCKS TO GO ON THAT IS RIGHT UP HOLLOW ROAD.
IF WE CAN PROVIDE THEM WITH ANOTHER RELIEF ROUTE, IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN TO HOLLOW ROAD AGAIN.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S TALKED ABOUT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN FUNDED.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DESIGNED, BUT IT IS, IT'S BEEN ON THIS PLAN FOR YEARS AND IT'S, IT'S WORTH CONSIDERING NOW IF, IF I PUT IT ON THE NEXT PLAN AND YOU SAY, JEFF, I THINK THIS IS CRAP.
I DON'T WANNA SEE IT ON THERE.
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BUT I DIDN'T CARRY IT FORWARD IN THE ORIGINAL MAP.AND WITH THE LANGUAGE CHANGE WE NEED TO MAKE, IT'S A GOOD TIME TO DO THAT AS OPPOSED TO JUST RUSHING THROUGH AND GETTING SOMETHING ADOPTED AND THEN GOING BACK AND TRYING TO FIX IT.
SAME THING WITH LIKE THE LOVER'S LANE, YOU KNOW, OVER HERE, THE LOVER'S LANE ROAD, WHICH IS THE EXTENSION OF AMANDA.
SOME OF THESE HAVE BEEN COMPLETED THIS REALIGNMENT OF HOLLOW ROAD, THE REALIGNMENT OF BLACKROCK ROAD.
HERE'S A BETTER VIEW OF, THAT'S THE AMANDA LANE.
SO, SO HOW DID THOSE, HOW DID THOSE APPROVED ROADS GET IMPLEMENTED? WELL, IT BECOMES PART OF THE TOWNSHIP'S TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
PART OF THEIR, UM, EVERY YEAR WE GO THROUGH A PROCESS.
WHEN WE DO THE BUDGET PROCESS, WE SIT DOWN WITH THE BOARD.
WELL, WE SIT DOWN AS A, AS MY DEPARTMENT AND WITH THE, WITH THE ENGINEERS.
AND WE SAY, WHAT PROJECTS DO WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD? WHAT PROJECTS DO WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD? SOME OF THIS IS PUBLIC WORKS, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'LL WEIGH IN ON IT.
UM, SOME OF IT IS JUST PUBLIC OUTREACH.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A STRONG OUTREACH ABOUT THE EXTENSION OF BECHTEL ROAD, YOU KNOW, WHERE, UM, REMEMBER WHERE 180 8 BECHTEL ROAD, THOSE SEVEN HOUSES, AND WE HAD A, THEY HAD A DEAD END THERE.
WE OWN RIGHT OF THE TOWNSHIP OWNS RIGHT OF WAY TO CONNECT THAT TO THE OTHER, TO THE CORNER OF BECHTEL ROAD AND OLD STATE, ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU, WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD, YOU TAKE A HARD RIGHT AND A HARD LEFT.
THERE'S, WE HAVE HAD A PLAN FOR 20 PLUS YEARS OF SMOOTHING ALL OF THAT OUT.
SO IT'S MORE OF A THROUGH ROAD.
AGAIN, I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE SOME VERY UNHAPPY PEOPLE WHEN WE PUSH THAT FORWARD.
BUT THE BOARD HAS EXPRESSED AN INTEREST TO SAY, THIS PLAN, THIS POLICY, THIS PLAN HAS BEEN ON OUR BOOKS FOR A WHILE.
WE WANT TO MOVE IT FORWARD THIS YEAR IN THE BUDGET.
THEY FUNDED THE ENGINEERS TO GO OUT AND DESIGN IT TO FIND OUT WHAT IT WOULD COST TO BUILD.
AND NOW THAT WOULD PUT IT ON A PLACE TO BE ON A BUDGET, POTENTIALLY IN THE BUDGET FOR 2028 IF THEY WANTED TO FUND IT.
AGAIN, THIS IS ALL JUST QUESTION YOU SORT OF STEPS IN THE, IN THE PROCESS OF DO THESE THINGS HAPPEN OR NOT.
WE WOULD ALSO HAVE A DESIGN ROAD THAT WE COULD GO LOOK FOR GRANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE ANOTHER STEP IN THERE SAYING, WHAT GRANTS CAN WE GET TO DO THIS? AGAIN, I MISSED IT ON THESE MAPS AND IT WAS NOT MY INTENT TO NOT HAVE IT ON THERE.
SO I, I WANT TO RE RE I WANNA FIX THE MAPS TO PUT THEM ON THERE.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SORT OF TAKING A STEP BACK.
AND I REALIZE WE DID THIS LAST YEAR, BUT WE'RE GONNA TAKE A STEP BACK.
WE'RE GONNA GET THEM TO YOU IN FEBRUARY, AND THEN THEY, THEY SHOULD BE READY TO FOR APPROVAL BY THE BOARD IN MARCH.
I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY GRAPHICS FOR THIS AS I WAS SORT OF LOOKING THROUGH IT.
I, I, I KNOW WE DON'T WANNA HAVE ANY RESIDENTIAL ALONG RIDGE PIKE THAT THAT WAS THE PLAN WAS NOT TO ALLOW RESIDENTIAL OR RIGHT.
EVEN BEHIND LIKE LIDS AND, AND RIGHT NOW DEVELOPED.
RIGHT NOW, THE ZONING ORDINANCE DOESN'T ALLOW ANY OF THAT.
SO I, MY QUESTION TO YOU IS IT'S COMPLETELY COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL.
DO YOU WANNA MOVE OFF OF RETAIL, AND I'M NOT SAYING HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, BUT IF YOU REMEMBER THELE ROAD PROPOSAL FOR, UM, THE PIECE THAT WAS THE, THE, THE LANDSCAPE SORT OF NEXT TO TON'S YES.
WHERE THEY PUT IN SOME SMALLER SCALE INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD LOOK TO HAVE INTEREST IN? BE BE COMFORTABLE WITH THERE? MY MY ARE YOU ASKING FOR OUR OPINION OR ARE YOU JUST YES, BECAUSE BECAUSE MY, MY ISSUE RIGHT NOW IS I'M LOOKING AT IT AND IT'S PURELY RETAIL, RIGHT? IT'S BEEN RETAIL.
THERE'S A WIDE VARIETY OF RETAIL THAT YOU CAN BUILD THERE.
WHETHER THAT'S A SMALL WAWA, A SMALL, YOU KNOW, DRY CLEANER SHOP TO A LOWE'S OR A HOME DEPOT.
I MEAN, YOU CAN BUILD JUST ABOUT ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ALONG THAT CORRIDOR, JUST DEPENDING ON THE SIZE LOT YOU HAVE.
BUT NO ONE'S COME IN AND DONE IT.
EVERY DEVELOPER THAT'S COME IN AND SAID, HEY, I WANT TO DO THIS ON THIS PARCEL, CAN I DO IT? IT'S NEVER RETAIL BECAUSE THEIR, THEIR RATIONALE IS RETAIL DOESN'T WORK THAT FAR FROM THE INTERSECTION.
I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE RIGHT OR THEY'RE WRONG.
SO, SO MOVING THROUGH, THROUGH, UH, THROUGH THE INTERSECTION WITH THE WAWA AND ALL THAT IS TOWARD, TOWARD JERRY.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT PART PEOPLE DON'T WANNA DEVELOP THAT FOR RETAIL? NO.
NOW, MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT COME AND ASK ME ABOUT IT WANNA
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PUT RESIDENTIAL, THEY WANNA PUT APARTMENTS THERE.I HAD ONE LESS THAN A MONTH AGO THAT WANTED TO PUT 40,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL ALONG THE FRONT AND A LOT OF APARTMENTS AND SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED IN TOWNHOUSES IN THE BACK.
I'M NOT THE ONE THAT TELLS YOU NO, BUT I KNOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS NOT GOING TO BE IN FAVOR OF IT, AND THE BOARD IS NOT GONNA BE IN FAVOR OF IT.
BUT THEY'RE WELCOME TO PUT IN A PLAN APPLICATION AT ANY POINT IN TIME.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO OR NOT.
OUR CONCERN IS FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT, RETAIL ISN'T WORKING ALONG THERE.
HUH? THERE'S NO DEMAND FOR IT.
AND I, I DON'T THINK I REALIZED THAT AND I THOUGHT THERE WAS A DEMAND FOR IT.
PART OF IT MIGHT BE THAT THERE'S JUST NO DEMAND FOR RETAIL SPACE.
WELL, THAT IF THERE WAS SUDDENLY A DEMAND FOR RETAIL SPACE, IT WOULD TAKE IT, IT WOULD TAKE IT.
BUT, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO ZONE THIS SO THAT IT DOES DEVELOP.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALWAYS SORT OF THE CATCH 22 IS YOU CAN WRITE ZONING TO GET SOMETHING TO DEVELOP AND TO REDEVELOP, BUT THAT MEANS YOU ARE ENCOURAGING CHANGE AND YOU'RE ENCOURAGING IMPACTS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY THERE.
NOW, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PARCELS ALONG RIDGE PIKE THAT HAVE NO IMPACT ON THE TOWNSHIP BECAUSE THEY DON'T GENERATE TRAFFIC, THEY DON'T GENERATE TAXES, THEY DON'T GENERATE RESIDENTS, THEY DON'T GENERATE SCHOOL KIDS.
IT'S WONDERFUL BECAUSE THERE'S NO INCURRED COST WITH THAT.
ON THE OTHER HAND, WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S GENERATING A TAX BASE.
WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S GENERATING, I I WAS UNDER THE MISCONCEPTION THAT THAT WAS, UM, UM, ATTRACTIVE RETAIL SPACE FROM FROM JERRY'S ROAD, FROM, YOU KNOW, DON TO LIKE LIDS.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS ATTRACTIVE RETAIL.
I THINK THAT WAS THE ASSUMPTION FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
AND, AND, AND IT'S BEEN ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD CONVENIENCE COMMERCIAL NOW AT LEAST SINCE 2008, 2010, IF NOT BEFORE THAT.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE HAD VERY LITTLE LIDLE WAS THE LAST DEVELOPMENT ALONG THAT ROAD.
NOW YOU HAD MAIN STREET, YOU HAD, WELL YOU HAD, UH, 1501 MAIN STREET, WHICH IS THE BUBBLE THAT DEVELOPMENT CAME IN.
THAT WAS A, A VARIANCE OR THAT WAS SOME CHANGE TO THE ORDINANCE TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN.
AND YOU HAD THE SELF STORAGE AT KLEIN ROAD ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TARGET KLEIN ROAD AND BRIDGE PIKE.
BUT THAT IS ALSO, THAT WAS A CHANGE TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT WASN'T ORIGINALLY IN THERE.
BUT THAT, THAT, THAT FLOWER SHOP OPENED THERE.
HOW'S THAT DOING? THEY KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S HARD TO TELL IF THERE'S PEOPLE GOING IN THERE.
AND THAT IS, AND THAT'S, SOMEBODY DEVELOPED THAT PROPERTY NO.
AND THEY, AND THEY, THEY RUN THE FLOWERS UP BY THE OTHER HALF.
AND AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE, I GUESS I WAS BEATING MY HEAD AGAINST THE WALL WITH THIS ORDINANCE BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT LAND USES TO PUT IN THERE.
WE DON'T WANT THE, THE APARTMENTS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF YOU'VE MADE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS MADE THAT EXPRESSLY CLEAR.
BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT I, I AGREE WITH YOU.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S ADVANTAGEOUS TO HAVE IT SITTING IDLE.
I MEAN, IF IT WAS A, IF IT WAS BACK, YOU KNOW, A MILE OFF OF MAIN STREET, THAT'D BE GREAT.
BUT I MEAN, IT'S RIGHT ON MAIN STREET.
I THINK YOU WANT TO DEVELOP THAT, RIGHT? YOU WANT THAT LOOK.
YOU WANT THAT TO LOOK BUSY AND NOT VACANT.
JUST TREES GROWING UP AND THERE'S OLD HOUSES SITTING THERE.
WELL, WELL THEN AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU REALLY HAVE THREE TYPES OF LAND USES.
RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL.
'CAUSE WE ALL, I MEAN, WE HEARD THE RUMORS OF A HOSPITAL GOING IN THERE, THAT'S DEAD.
SO INSTITUTIONAL OFF THE, OFF THE BOARD RESIDENTIAL'S OFF THE BOARD BECAUSE WE KNOW WE DON'T WANNA PUT THAT IN THAT AREA.
WELL, AGAIN, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, DO WE NEED TO REVISIT THAT KNOWING THAT IT'S NOT EVER GONNA BE RETAIL? WELL, PART OF, IF YOU WERE TO ALLOW RESIDENTIAL THERE, PART OF THAT CAN DRIVE SOME OF THE RETAIL BECAUSE LIKE PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER WITH THE APARTMENTS NEXT TO PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER OR WITH QUEST, THE REDEVELOPMENT OF QUEST, WHAT DRIVES THOSE SHOPPING CENTERS IS THE PROXIMITY OF PEOPLE.
SO, WELL, THAT'S MY POINT THEN, RIGHT? DO WE NEED TO REVISIT IT THEN? THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF MY QUESTION IS DO YOU WANT TO REVISIT IT NOW? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BOARD'S OPINION, I KNOW THE BOARD'S OPINION ON ANY SORT OF MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT IS GENERALLY NEGATIVE AT THIS POINT.
WELL, I, BUT THAT, BUT THAT IS WHAT IT IS.
YOU HAVE TO DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.
IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANNA REVISIT, WE CAN, I CAN START LOOKING AT SOME SORT OF MULTI-USE, SOMEWHAT LIKE A YERKES ROAD SOMEWHAT OR YERKES MIXED USE.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, A HEAVIER MIXED USE THAT HAS A HIGHER RETAIL COMPONENT THAT REQUIRES IT ON THE FRONT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CONTROL IT SO THAT WHEN
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PEOPLE BUILD THE RESIDENTIAL, THEY JUST KIND OF GO, OH YEAH, YEAH, WE'LL GET TO THE RETAIL.BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER, THAT'S A CHALLENGE FOR ANOTHER DAY.
AGAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE.
THERE'S ONLY THREE OF YOU HERE NOW.
NO, I'M JUST THINK, I'M JUST THINKING AND I, I REALLY, THAT'S WHY I WANT TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.
WE CAN REVISIT THIS IN FEBRUARY AND COME BACK WITH IT.
I KNOW JOE IS PROBABLY WATCHING NOW AND HE'S PROBABLY SCREAMING AT HIS COMPUTER TELLING US THIS, THAT OR THE OTHER THING.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION LATER, BUT, WELL, I, AGAIN, I'M NOT FOR IT EITHER.
I'M VERY MUCH AGAINST IT, BUT I ALSO AGAINST IT JUST, IT'S SITTING THERE.
I DON'T, ESPECIALLY WITH THEM OLD HOUSE SITTING THERE AND ABANDONED HOUSES AND STUFF, IT JUST, IT ISN'T VERY ATTRACTIVE.
DO YOU THINK THE, UH, THE SIZE OF THE PARCELS THAT ARE ALONG THERE ARE CONDUCIVE TO LIKE AN INDUSTRIAL USE? I, I THINK THE LARGER PARCELS ARE, AND I THINK IF YOU, WHAT'S INDUSTRIAL? HOW DO YOU DEFINE, WELL, I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT INDUSTRIAL, BUT HOW DO YOU DEFINE GOOD POINT, WHAT YOU WOULD FIT IN THERE? WELL, AND INDUSTRIAL'S NOT REALLY THE RIGHT WORD.
IT'S MORE LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO DOWN HOLLOW ROAD AND THERE'S SHEPHERD REDEVELOPMENT ON ONE SIDE THAT WE'VE APPROVED, THERE'S SOME OF THE OLDER, ACTUALLY A GREENTREE, LET'S SAY GREENTREE AND, UM, AND EGYPT ROAD, THERE'S SMALL INDUSTRIAL, THERE'S LIKE A TILE STORE, A WHOLESALER, A BREAD DISTRIBUTOR.
THERE'S THINGS LIKE THAT IN THERE.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THOSE WOULD NECESSARILY BE SUCCESSFUL EITHER, BUT IT'S LOWER OFFICE BUILDINGS.
I'M NOT AGAINST THAT KIND OF BUSINESS.
WELL, AND AGAIN, IF WE WRITE IT IN THERE, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN.
YOU KNOW, WE RAN INTO THIS WITH THE YORK CASE'S MIXED USE.
ONCE WE SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE, THIS IS WHAT CAN GO THERE.
IF WE, THE MOMENT WE SAY WE'RE OKAY WITH SOME RESIDENTIAL THERE, THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA COME FLOODING IN.
THAT'S TO QUICK TURNAROUND BECAUSE THAT'S THE BIGGEST MONEY, I GUESS.
WELL, AND THAT'S WHAT, AND THAT LOOK, YOU MAY NOT AGREE WITH ME, BUT THERE IS A HOUSING SHORTAGE IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY, IN PENNSYLVANIA, IN THE SOUTHEAST.
IS THERE A HOUSING SHORTAGE OR IS THERE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING? AFFORDABLE.
I THINK THERE'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
YOU SEE ALL THESE THINGS EVERY TIME WHEN THESE PEOPLE COME IN, I ASK.
AND THEY ALL SAY, OH, WELL, A MILLION MILLION FIVE.
YEAH, BUT, BUT THEY SELL, THERE ARE ONLY CERTAIN PEOPLE.
I MEAN, THERE'S, YOU, YOU'RE, YES, THEY DO SELL, BUT OBVIOUSLY YOUR, YOUR MARKET IS A LOT LOWER.
I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE AS MANY PEOPLE RUSHING OUT TO BUY THOSE AS YOU DO.
IF YOU HAD A EMORY MAN ARE SOLD OUT BEFORE HAVING A THOUSAND DOLLARS HOME.
EMORY MANOR SOLD OUT BEFORE IT HAD A SINGLE APPROVAL ALL FOR 1.4, 1.6.
I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S A GREAT, I DON'T, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT YEAH, OUR PLACE RIGHT THERE ON, UM, LEWIS AND, UH, VAUGHN.
THEY'RE NOT, THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THEY'RE SELLING RIGHT NOW.
I THINK I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SELL THROUGH IS.
YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S EITHER.
IT'S HARD, BUT YOU, YOU, YOU, AND THEY DON'T, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THEY'RE DOING ANY MORE BILLING UNTIL MAYBE THEY SELL THE ONES THEY GOT.
THAT'S MORE OF A SEASONAL THING.
THAT'S MORE OF A SEASONAL THING RIGHT NOW.
I THOUGHT A FEW OF THOSE WOULD'VE SOLD ALREADY.
I THINK THEY HAVE SOLD ALREADY.
I JUST DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE HAVE MOVED IN BUT NOT MOVE ANY, BUT YOU WOULD THINK THEY PUT UP A SIGN, YOU KNOW, SOLD THIS.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT DRIVES PEOPLE.
I, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM SELLING THOSE C SPRING, BUT, WELL, I, OKAY.
AND I'LL, I'LL BE ANXIOUS TO SEE, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THINKING WOW.
THEY'RE NICE LOOKING LITTLE PLACES GET DONE RAW WITH THEM, BUT I THOUGHT, BOY, THEY'D SELL BY NOW.
SOME OF THOSE WOULD BE SOLD BY NOW, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY SIGNS GOING UP.
SO WHY DON'T YOU JUST SORT OF COGITATE ON ON THAT.
WE'LL BRING IT UP AGAIN NEXT MONTH, THAT WAY JOE AND KEVIN CAN, CAN WEIGH IN A LITTLE BIT.
AGAIN, WE DON'T, I I JUST, I'VE BEEN SORT OF PUSHING UP AGAINST A BRICK WALL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE ANSWER IS.
AND WE MAY NOT HAVE AN ANSWER, BUT I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS COMFORTABLE WITH TAKING IN A, A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT DIRECTION THAN WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW.
WELL, YOU'VE EDUCATED US TODAY.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT, THAT, I THOUGHT THAT WAS ATTRACTIVE RETAIL AND IT JUST, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHY I HADN'T EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT WHY IT HASN'T SOLD YET.
AND, AND, AND I, I DON'T LIKE THE, THE TARGET GIANT SHOPPING CENTER DOES VERY WELL.
THERE'S NOT A SINGLE VACANT PLACE IN THERE.
AND WHEN IT IS VA WELL, I THINK THE, UH, THE, THE, THE HOBBY PLACE OR WHATEVER THAT WAS AC HOBBY LOBBY MICHAEL'S, YEAH, MICHAEL'S IS OVER HERE.
BUT I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE THEY, THEY'RE ON THE, THE HALLOWEEN STORE TRAIN.
THEY MAKE MOST OF THESE RETAIL PLACES MAKE AS MUCH MONEY IN THE THREE MONTHS THAT YOU HAVE A H THE HALLOWEEN STORE THAT YOU DO ALL YEAR FOR ANOTHER PLACE BECAUSE THEY OVERCHARGE THEM.
AND IT'S, BUT THOSE PLACES MAKE SO MUCH MONEY THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO PAY THE EITHER WAY.
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THAT'S THE ONLY VACANT PLACE IN THERE.AND LIDLE AND, AND AND WHERE THE, THE LIDLE AND, AND THE WINE STORE, THEY DO VERY WELL.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THERE'S REALLY NO, OTHER THAN THE MCDONALD'S THERE UP AT, UP IN LIMERICK, THE ONE UP BY, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, WAL, UH, WALGREENS.
I THOUGHT MAYBE THERE WOULD BE SOME FAST FOOD PLACES.
WELL, WE HAVE OUR, OUR ORDINANCE IS FAIRLY RESTRICTIVE THAT PUTTING IN A FAST FOOD REQUIRES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TWEAKING.
AND, AND IT'S NOT EXACTLY EASY TO GET FAST FOOD IN THERE.
BUT WE PUT THAT IN BECAUSE AT THE TIME IT WAS ADOPTED IN THE TIME IT WAS DISCUSSED THAT WE DIDN'T WANT THIS TO BECOME, YOU KNOW, TROOPER ROAD AT EGYPT ROAD.
YOU KNOW WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT BY THE WALMART, WHERE IT'S YEAH.
SEVEN RESTAURANTS RIGHT IN A ROW.
WELL, BUT THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, WELL, I DON'T, AGAIN, THEY'RE GOOD BUSINESSES.
I MEAN, THEY ARE, I'M NOT, AND PEOPLE, THEY EMPLOY PEOPLE.
NONE OF THESE THINGS ARE MEANT TO DISPARAGE THOSE LAND USERS OR THOSE OWNERS OR THOSE PROPERTIES.
I DUNNO IF THAT'S A BAD BUSINESS.
YOU COULD PUT AN ARBY'S THERE.
BUT I, I'M JUST SAYING, I'M JUST SAYING WHATEVER I WAS UPSET ABOUT THAT I LOVE AR THERE'S NOTHING, BUT THERE'S NOTHING BUT A MCDONALD'S THERE AND IN LIMERICK AND THEN ALL THE WAY DOWN TO COLESVILLE.
THERE'S NOTHING IN BETWEEN THERE.
SO I JUST THOUGHT, BOY, YOU KNOW, BERNIE KING, AND AGAIN, SOMEBODY DO, SOMEBODY WOULD BE, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE WE, WE TWEAK IS IS WE, WE PUT, SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE RETAIL UP FRONT, BUT YOU CAN HAVE THIS SEMI LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO THE BACK, NOT RIGHT UP AGAINST THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS.
AGAIN, WHY DON'T YOU JUST SORT OF COATE ON IT FOR A MONTH AND WE'LL, WE WILL COME BACK AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN.
AND THEN THE LAST THING, AND THIS IS JUST SOMETHING I'D LIKE YOU TO REVIEW.
YOU KNOW WHAT WE COULD PUT IN THERE, A CARWASH? THERE'S ONE GOING, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF THOSE.
YOU KNOW, THE ONES GOING IN THAT WANT TO PUT IT THERE AT, UH, IN ROYERSFORD? YEAH.
THE, THE RITE AID THERE DID SEE THAT.
THEY WOULD PUT A CAR WASH IN, THEY JUST OWNED, THEY JUST, UH, FINISHED THE ONE AND OPENED IT NOW.
WELL, ON LEWIS ROAD YOU MEAN WHERE ON LEWIS ROAD? LEWIS ROAD, NOT TOO OH, UP BY, UH, UP IN LIMERICK.
WELL THAT, YEAH, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, THE RITE AID.
THERE'S ANOTHER CAR WASH THERE.
WELL, DIDN'T HE SAY PHOENIXVILLE? AND, UH, YEAH.
DIDN'T HE SAY THAT THAT RITE AID, THEIR FOOTPRINT WORKED EXTREMELY WELL WITH OUR, WITH OUR FLOOR FOOTPRINT, APPARENTLY.
I MEAN, I GUESS THAT'S A GOOD THING.
I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE WE NEED ALL THOSE CAR WASH, BUT WELL LOOK AT ALL THE SALT THAT'S OUT THERE PEOPLE.
AND PEOPLE USED TO WASH 'EM AT HOME IF THEY DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE.
NOBODY DOES THAT ANYMORE, BUT, OKAY.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALWAYS, WE CAN ALWAYS ADVERTISE AS A POTENTIAL CARWASH.
WELL, THEY HAD TO GO GET A VARIANCE FOR IT.
'CAUSE CAR WASHES AREN'T ALLOWED.
WELL, THEY HAVE TO DO IT IN ROERS FOR TWO, I THINK.
THAT'S PART OF WHAT I'VE SEEN.
THEY HAVE TO GET A VARIANCE FOR THAT TOO.
UM, ALRIGHT, THE LAST THING IS, IS THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE ANNUAL REPORT BY LAW, I HAVE TO PUT OUT AN ANNUAL REPORT.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS TO APPROVE IT, AND WE HAVE TO, UM, GIVE IT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
IT REALLY IS JUST A SUMMARY OF WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR.
UM, THE ONE I HAD FOR 2024 LISTED EVERY SINGLE APPLICATION WE HEARD, EVERY APPLICATION THAT WE DISCUSSED.
AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS A BIT EXCESSIVE.
UM, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT OVER THE NEXT MONTH.
WE DON'T HAVE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE APPROVED UNTIL MARCH DOESN'T BE FORWARDED ON UNTIL MARCH.
WHERE'S IT AT, JEFF? WHICH ONE? IT'S THE LAST TWO PAGES OF THE DOCUMENT.
TELL ME IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU THINK I'M MISSING AND WE WILL LOOK TO FORMALLY APPROVE IT AT THE NEXT MEETING FROM A QUICK LOOK.
AND I LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU CONDENSED THINGS AND GAVE FACTS AND FIGURES FOR HOW MANY APPLICATIONS, HOW MANY UNITS OF HOUSING, ALL THE STUFF THAT WE DID.
IT'S GREAT TO HAVE A SUMMARY LIKE THIS.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOOD TO TELL THE BOARD THAT BECAUSE THEY, I THINK SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, YOU GET LOST IN THE DETAILS OF EVERY SINGLE APPLICATION AND DON'T SEE THE WIDER PICTURE.
AGAIN, THIS IS JUST FOR INFORMATIONAL, UM, SO THAT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
AND WE'LL DO THAT AT NEXT MEETING OR FEBRUARY MEETING.
WE'LL DO THAT AT THE FEBRUARY ADMINISTRATIVE MEETING AT THE WORKSHOP AS WE CALL THEM.
SO, UH, THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR
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THE NEXT MEETING.THE FEBRUARY 7TH MEETING, WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE DISTRICT OF BLACKROCK, THEIR FINAL PLAN.
UM, THEY'RE MOVING ALONG AND GETTING CLEANED UP.
SO THAT PLAN WILL BE PRETTY CLEAN.
THAT'S WHICH ONE? I'M SORRY, DISTRICT OF BLACKROCK QUEST REDEVELOPMENT.
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THEY GET TO YOU, IT'S A CLEAN PLAN.THERE'S NO MORE ENGINEERING COMMENTS OR THERE'S VERY FEW ENGINEERING COMMENTS THAT THEY'RE GONNA CLEAN UP BEFORE THEY GET TO THE BOARD.
SO THEY WOULD, UM, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE WILL SEE WHERE THAT PLAN IS.
THAT SHOULD BE ON YOUR AGENDA.
AGAIN, ALSO MOVING TOWARDS GETTING A CLEAN PLAN.
AND SO WE'LL SEE IF THEY GET THERE.
THEY'RE THE ONES WHO KEEP GETTING REALLY CLOSE AND THEN PUSHING OFF, GETTING REALLY CLOSE AND PUSHING OFF.
AND THEN HESSON ROAD THEY PUT IN, AS WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MEETING, THEY PUT IN A NEW PLAN.
AND SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING THAT.
SO WE'LL HAVE THEM BACK FOR SOME MORE DISCUSSION.
AGAIN, YOU GAVE YOUR RECOMMENDATION ON THAT PLAN ALREADY, BUT BASED ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS REACTION TO YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT STEEP SLOPES AND, AND LOCK CONFIGURATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND THEIR OPINION AND THEIR FEELINGS ON IT, THE APPLICANT ASKED TO, UM, STEP BACK AND REDESIGN THE PLAN, RIGHT.
SINCE THEY'VE REDESIGNED IT, I'M, HAVE, I, I DON'T WANT YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO BE BASED ON THE OLD PLAN.
IT NEEDS TO BE BASED ON THE NEW PLAN.
AND IT ALSO GIVES THE RESIDENTS DOWN THERE THAT DIDN'T COME TO THE ORIGINAL PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR WHATEVER REASON, FOR THEM TO COME HERE AND MAKE SOME MORE COMMENTS.
SO THAT WILL BE ON THAT AGENDA.
SO THEY'RE BASICALLY STARTING OVER.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE.
UM, BUT IT'S STILL ONE THAT, THAT I THINK WE NEED TO RUN BACK THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS.
THEY'VE ANSWERED SOME QUESTIONS.
I DON'T THINK SOME QUESTIONS, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN ANSWER BECAUSE IT, IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME MORE ENGINEERING.
THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING ELSE IS SORT OF ON HOLD.
WE'RE WAITING FOR SPRING FORD WALK SINCE THEY PULLED OFF YOUR AGENDA.
WE'LL GET SOME NEW PLANS FROM THEM.
YOUR KEY STATION SPRING FOUR WALK AGAIN, I DON'T GO THE NAME.
THAT'S THAT ONE RIGHT BY FORD'S EDGE.
UP TO THE FIRST ROAD WHEN YOU GO OUT OUR ROAD, HIT V GO UP, MAKE A LEFT, THEN MAKE A FIRST.
IT'S RIGHT UP THERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
IT'S THE ONE WHERE THEY BUILT THEM IN 19 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEY, UM, THEY ONLY BUILT HALF OF THEM.
SO THEY HAD OPEN SPACE, BUT IT WASN'T PRESERVED OPEN SPACE.
HAS THAT BEEN, UM, HAVE YOU HAD ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS THROUGHOUT THERE? THE RESIDENTS WEREN'T VERY HAPPY ABOUT IT WHEN THEY WENT TO THE ZONING HEARING BOARD.
THEY HAD TO GO TO THE ZONING HEARING BOARD TO PROVE THAT THEY COULD BUILD IT.
AND THE ZONING HEARING BOARD GRANTED THEM THE ABILITY TO, OR THEY GRANTED THEM THE NUMBER OF UNITS.
WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THE TENTATIVE AND PRELIMINARY AND THE FINAL LAND DEVELOPMENT SKETCH.
DO YOU THINK THEY'LL USE THE SAME ARCHITECTURE THAT THEY USED ON THE ORIGINALS? GOD NO.
I COULD DRAW BETTER THAN THAT.
BUT I, I THINK WHAT THEY DID IS THEY DID QUITE A BIT OF IMPROVEMENTS THERE.
THEY PUT MAYBE SOME NEW ROOFS.
WELL, AND THAT, BUT THAT'S THEIR, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR 'EM, THIS IS JUST WHAT THEY'VE SAID IN PUBLIC MEETINGS.
THE IDEA IS FOR EVERY UNIT SOLD, NEW UNIT SOLD, THE HOA GETS A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE, A CERTAIN DOLLAR VALUE.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEEN DISCLOSED.
I DON'T IF I, IF IT HAS, I DON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER, THAT THEY GET A CERTAIN DOLLAR VALUE FOR EACH UNIT AND THEY'RE, THAT MONEY'S GONNA GO TO REINVEST INTO REHABILITATE THOSE EXISTING BUILDINGS.
I THINK THEY'RE, I JUST THINK IT'S THEIR, THEIR, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PRODUCTS THEY USE.
LOOK, UM, AND THE WHOLE THING'S DEAD.
I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO DISPARAGE ANYBODY, BUT IT, IT LOOKS CHEAP.
IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS VERY DATED.
AND, AND UNLESS YOU HAVE AN HOH HERE, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY MILITANT ABOUT ARCHITECTURE, WHICH I'VE HAD ONE OR TWO OF THEM.
UM, THEY, I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU, BOB.
SO, I MEAN, UNLESS YOU, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE, THE MEMBERS OF THAT DEVELOPMENT ARE COMING FROM, THAT YOU GET OLDER, YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO NECESSARILY DO THE REPAIRS.
YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY, YOU CAN'T DO THE REPAIRS YOURSELF.
AND YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY SOMEONE TO DO THEM.
SO THE HOUSE JUST GOES INTO DISREPAIR.
I'M SURE IT'S A, IT'S A PROBLEM A LOT OF HOAS ARE RUNNING INTO AND WILL RUN INTO OVER THE NEXT 15 OR 20 YEARS.
AND IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF NOW.
THIS IS A SOLUTION THAT WAS NOT TOWNSHIP DRIVEN.
IT'S, IT'S A PRIVATE DEVELOPER.
IT'S A PRIVATE MARKETPLACE THAT WORKED OUT THE PROGRAM AND, AND YOU KNOW, ALL WE CAN DO IS WORK UNDER OUR RULES AND OUR RULES ALLOW THEM TO DO THIS.
THE MATERIALS LOOK VERY DATED.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT PROGRAM WORKS.
THAT'S SOUNDS LIKE A NEAT PROGRAM.
AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE, WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT AT THE TIME.
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SO, UM, LET'S SEE, YY ROAD AND, AND HOPWOOD ROAD, THOSE PLANS ARE STILL IN PROCESS.QUEST REDEVELOPMENT, WE TALKED ABOUT MENNONITE ROAD LOT, NINE LOT SUBDIVISION.
THAT'S THE, REMEMBER THEY CAME IN, THEY WENT NINE LOTS, GOT THAT APPROVAL, CAME BACK WITH TRANSFER OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS.
THE BOARD SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN DOING THAT.
NOT INTERESTED IN CHANGING ANY OF THAT.
SO THEY, UM, THEY WENT BACK AND THEY'RE JUST DOWN OUT TO NINE LOTS AGAIN TO NINE AND THEN HASSAN ROAD.
WHAT ABOUT, UH, THERE'S NOTHING BEEN FORMAL YET AT THE CHURCH? NO.
THEY HAVE A, WHAT DO THEY CALL THAT? MISSION FIRST MISSION OR CYPRESS PLACE? CYPRESS PLACE, YES.
ORFORD BAPTIST, CYPRESS PLACE.
THEY HAVE A SCOPING APPLICATION IN FRONT OF PENDOT.
A SCOPING APPLICATION BASICALLY SAYS IF WE ARE ALLOWED TO BUILD X, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO? WHAT OTHER ROAD IMPROVEMENTS DO WE HAVE TO DO? I JUST SAT IN A MEETING AT FOUR O'CLOCK TODAY AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND SOMEBODY BROUGHT THAT UP AND THEY SAID, OH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S APPROVED.
THEY CAN, THEY CAN BUILD, YOU KNOW, SO, AND I'M THINKING TO MYSELF, NO, THEY CAN'T
YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO STAY OUT OF IT.
NO, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'VE BEEN GRANTED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY TO DO THAT PROJECT THROUGH MONTGOMERY COUNTY HOUSING THROUGH A FEW OTHER PLACES.
SO WHEN PEOPLE SAY, OH, THAT'S APPROVED.
I THINK THEY'RE BASING IT ON THAT THERE'S THIS GRANT MONEY.
SOMEBODY'S GOT MONEY, THEY KNOW SOMEBODY, THEY'VE GOT MONEY.
SO, WELL, AGAIN, I'M NOT AGAINST AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WHAT I'M, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD PLACE.
WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO RESERVE JUDGMENT.
I MEAN THAT'S, YES, I UNDERSTAND.
BUT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, THIS HAS BEEN OUT BEFORE, SO.
WE DON'T HAVE THE CURRENT PLAN.
WE DON'T HAVE THE ZONING TEXTS THAT THEY NEED TO MAKE.
I TOLD THEY KNOW THAT THEY HAVE THEY TO CONVINCE US OF A LOT OF THINGS.
THEY'VE GOT HURDLES, WHICH IS FINE.
I CAN'T MAKE THE NEXT MEETING.
DO I HAVE THE WRONG DATE? I'M SORRY.
I'M NOT GONNA BE HERE FOR THAT.
I HOPE EVERYBODY ELSE CAN MAKE IT.
WELL, I HOPE, UH, JOE'S FEELING BETTER.
YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT, WE'LL, WE WILL CHECK WITH EVERYBODY BEFOREHAND.
AND IF WE, IF WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM, THEN WE GOTTA MOVE SOME THINGS AROUND.
SO IT'S JUST, YEAH, KEVIN, YOU KNOW, HE STILL WORKS, SO LET DO, HE STILL HAS TO JOB.
WHAT'S UP WITH THAT? WHAT IS THAT? TELL ME ABOUT IT.
IT SEEMS LIKE YEARS AND YEARS AGO,
ALL RIGHT, THEN I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.