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THATWELL, SINCE WE ONLY HAVE 45 MINUTES AND WE DO HAVE THREE OUT OF THE FOUR PEOPLE HERE, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AND ASK FOR A NOMINATION.
[REORGANIZATION]
SINCE THIS IS REORGANIZATION, THE FIRST MEETING OF THE MONTH, THE YEAR.UM, I'M GONNA ASK FOR A NOMINATION FOR A CHAIR.
SO WAS I, OH, I WAS GONNA NOMINATE YOU AGAIN, PAUL.
WELL, BUT I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANNA CAUSE ANY PROBLEMS. SO WHAT, WHAT? I WAS GONNA LORI AGAIN, BUT WHATEVER.
BUT SO HOW DO WE DO THAT? UM, I THINK IT'S, IS IT'S BOTH APPROPRIATE AND BEING DENOMINATING, VOTE AND LEAVE.
I, I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
WE CAN ALWAYS HOLD A VOTE IF THERE'S SOME ISSUE AT THE NEXT MEETING OR IF SHE COMES LATER.
YOU GET PUNISHED WHEN YOU DON'T SHOW UP.
WELL, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
I DON'T WANT TO VOTE HER IN IF SHE DON'T WANT, MEAN SHE DOESN'T WANNA DO IT.
SHE'S NOT GONNA WANT TO DO IT PRETTY WELL.
NO, IF YOU GUYS WANT ME AGAIN, THAT'S FINE.
I'M, I'M FINE WITH DOING ALRIGHT.
SO WE GOT IT FIRST AND THE SECOND.
[CALL TO ORDER / MOTION TO APPROVE JANUARY 21, 2026 AGENDA]
HAND THIS OVER TO YOU.UM, SO I'LL LET YOU CALL THE REGULAR ME TO ORDER GLASS.
I BROUGHT, I DIDN'T BRING THOSE GLASSES EITHER.
BUT THEY'RE PRISON GLASSES, SO THEY WOULD PROBABLY MAKE YOU, UM, ALRIGHT.
DO WE NEED A, A MOTION TO MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR JANUARY 21.
I GOT ONE PUBLIC COMMENT, NO PUBLIC APPROVAL MINUTES FROM
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
THE LAST TIME.I'LL, UH, MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 19TH.
YOU SECONDED? ANY DISCUSSION? UH, SHALL WE VOTE? ALL IN FAVOR? PROJECT UPDATES,
[3. Project Updates]
UM, CLASS ORDINANCE SCRIPT FOR THE CLASS BOARD QUESTION BEFORE WE GET TO THAT POINT.OH, WHAT, UH, BEFORE WE GET TO THE PROJECT, UH, ARE WE GETTING ANOTHER MEMBER OR IS THAT WE WILL BE, UM, WE HAVE, THEY HAVE NOT HAD A PARK BOARD MEETING YET, SO.
THEY HAVE TO APPOINT SOMEONE FROM THE PARK BOARD.
IS THAT WHO KEN WAS? KEN WAS FROM THE PARK BOARD, YEAH.
AND THEN, AND THEN SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE BECAUSE JOE DOES NOT WANT TO TAKE MY PLACE HERE.
BUT HE'S ON THE, HE'S GONNA BE ON THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY IN THE SEWER THREE, WHICH TECHNICALLY THAT'S WHY I'M HERE.
SO ARE YOU NOT ON THAT FOR NEXT YEAR? FOR THIS YEAR? NOT GOING BE, I MEAN, I AM FOR RIGHT NOW, BUT, OKAY.
JOE, UH, BRENAN WANTS TO TAKE MY PLACE.
WE DO HAVE TO, WE DO HAVE TO CHANGE THE BYLAWS.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WHEN WE GET TO NUMBER FOUR, I THINK
[4. Meeting Schedule Change]
THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT BECAUSE THE WAY THE BYLAWS ARE WRITTEN IS IT'S, IT'S REQUIRING A MEMBER FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, FROM THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY FROM PARKS AND REC POINTING TO THE MTC.UM, SO, BUT NOT SUE, BUT NOT SUE SOMEONE FROM HER BOARD, WHICH, WHICH KEN.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S TOO RESTRICTIVE.
I THINK IT'S, IT WAS GREAT WHEN WE FIRST SET THIS UP, BUT I THINK OPENING THIS UP TO JUST FIVE MEMBERS OF THE TOWNSHIP, FIVE RESIDENTS OF THE TOWNSHIP MM-HMM
IS PROBABLY A MUCH SAFER, MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE WAY TO GET THIS THROUGH.
SO LEE AND BILL ARE AT LARGE AT, YES.
SO THERE'S REALLY ONLY TWO AT LARGE, TWO AT LARGE.
THERE'S MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY, PLANNING COMMISSION, AND PARKS AND REC.
I NEED TO, HE ALMOST GOT CODED IN HIS CHAIR.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY, UM, THAT THE, UH, SOAR PEOPLE HAD.
THEY, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS A REPRESENTATION THAT THAT'S THE WAY WE ORIGINALLY SET IT UP AND SKIPPED A FOUR.
I I THINK BETWEEN THAT AND THE MEETING DATES, THE MEETINGS, TALKING ABOUT THE MEETING SCHEDULE CHANGE IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT AS A BOARD.
I KNOW THIS IS HARD FOR YOU AND YOU ASKED THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR SOMEONE TO LOOK AT IT FOR NEXT YEAR THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO DO IT FOR.
WELL, I, I'VE BEEN ON IT SINCE WE STARTED.
THIS WILL BE MY FIFTH YEAR OR WHATEVER SINCE THIS THING STARTED, I'VE BEEN ON, I THINK IT'S TIME FOR SOMEBODY ELSE.
AND I'VE NOT, I THINK I'VE TALKED JERRY INTO IT.
BUT I THINK BY THE END OF THE YEAR, HE'LL BE READY TO GO.
AND I, I THINK WE, WE COULD STILL HAVE THAT AS
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A CONNECTION, BUT NOT MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT.I JUST, I DON'T WANT HOW WORKING THE WORDING WORKS FOR THAT MM-HMM
BUT NOT MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET A LOT OF INTEREST.
AND, AND THERE'S NO REAL OVERLAP.
THERE'S NO OVERLAP PARKS, THERE'S OVERLAP PLANNING COMMISSION, THERE'S OVERLAP.
SO I CAN SEE MAYBE RECOMMENDING SOMEONE FROM THE PLANNING COMMITTEE AS A POTENTIAL PERSON TRYING TO PULL SOMEONE FROM THAT, TRYING TO PULL SOMEONE FROM THAT MM-HMM
THEY'RE GONNA PULL SOMEONE FROM PARKS AND REC.
AND I'M, I MAY BE PUTTING WORDS IN HER MOUTH, SHE DOESN'T HAVE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LEFT DON'T HAVE, THERE'S NOBODY JUMPING TO THE FOREFRONT TO COME AND TAKE THE SPOT TO COME AND WORK AT THE ACAC.
CAN, CAN JUST SUE REPRESENT PARKS AND REC? NO, BECAUSE YOU'RE RECOMMENDING BODY OR YOU'RE AN ADVISORY BODY, SO NEEDS TO ADVISE TO, TO SUE MYSELF.
SO IF SUE, IF SUE'S BOARD DOESN'T, THEN ARE YOU GONNA CHANGE THE BYLAWS IMMEDIATELY TO, WELL, THERE'S A PROCESS TO IT AND WE NEED TO SIT DOWN AND TALK TO TIM ABOUT IT AND THEN EXPLAIN IT TO KELLY, WHO'S NOW THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD SUPERVISORS, AND SEE IF SHE'S EVEN WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THAT CHANGE.
SO WE MAY GO A WHILE WITHOUT ANOTHER MEMBER.
WE MAY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WE MAY, AND, AND IF YOU, WHEN YOU STEP AWAY FROM THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY, YOU, YOU KNOW, WON'T HAVE TO ELECT SOMEONE ELSE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, IF THEY DON'T APPOINT ANYBODY, THEY DON'T APPOINT ANYBODY.
SO UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S, IT'S, THEY WERE, THE RULES WERE GOOD IN THE FIRST PLACE, I THINK, JUST TO GET THIS STARTED, BUT I THINK IT'S NOT WORKING AS EFFECTIVELY AS WE THOUGHT IT WOULD.
DOES, DOES KEN WANT TO COME BACK OR NOT? KEN IS IN UPSTATE NEW YORK.
KEN MOVED TO UPSTATE NEW YORK.
HE, HE WAS GOING TO RETIRE FROM MILITARY SERVICE.
AND I THINK JUST LIVE HERE AND WORK ON THE PLANNING OR ON THE BOARD AND DO THIS, UM, BURTON AND BUR TOWN AND ALL THAT STUFF BECAUSE HE WAS GONNA BE THE BURTON GUY.
WELL THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT AFTER YOU'RE FINISHED.
SO HE, BUT THE MILITARY OFFERED HIM A POSITION.
I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS, BUT THEY OFFERED HIM A POSITION IN UPSTATE NEW YORK.
SO HE, BUT HE COULDN'T REFUSE, I GUESS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS,
SO I'M ASSUMING THAT THERE WAS SOME UNDUE INFLUENCE THERE, BUT THAT'S JUST MY, YEAH.
I, I, SO YEAH, I THINK HE, HE WAS, HE WAS, IT WAS GOOD THAT BIRDS ARE GONNA MISS HIM.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE ELSE FROM THE, FROM THE PARK BOARD.
I THINK HIS POSITION'S BEEN FILLED ON THE PARK BOARD.
AND THEN THEY HAD ANOTHER OPEN POSITION.
SO THEY HAVE TWO NEW MEMBERS THERE.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T, SUE'S NOT HERE.
SO I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT THE INNER WORKINGS OF THAT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S OPERATING MM-HMM
BUT THAT, UM, WE'LL KNOW BY THE FEBRUARY MARCH MEETING OF IF THERE'S SOMEBODY OR NOT.
AND HOW LONG IS YOUR TERM? HOW LONG ARE YOU STAYING ON THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY? WHENEVER JOE DECIDES TO STEP IN.
YOU KNOW, HE WAS LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, I, I'M OUT OF THE COUNTRY.
HE'S LIVING THERE FOR AS LONG AS YOU CAN LIVE THERE LEGALLY.
AND THEN MOVING BACK FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME AND THEN MOVING BACK OUT THERE.
AND HE SAID, WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA WANT ME TO, YOU KNOW, DO ZOOM MEETINGS.
I SAID, LOOK, I BROKE MY FOOT.
I DID ZOOM MEETINGS UNTIL I COULD DRIVE.
AND HE SAYS, WELL, I THINK I'D RATHER BE THERE IN PERSON FIRST BEFORE I GO TO ZOOM.
YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT WORKS FOR YOU.
I DON'T CARE HOW YOU DO IT, SO.
ANYWAY, AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF, AND SAME THING WITH THE MEETING SCHEDULE CHANGE.
I KNOW THAT AT OUR LAST MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT THERE WAS A LITTLE DISCONTENT WITH ONLY HAVING 45 MINUTES TO HAVE THESE MEETINGS THAT WE WERE ALWAYS RUNNING UP AGAINST THE PLANNING COMMISSION CLOCK.
THE PROBLEM IS, I KNOW I'M GONNA SPEAK FOR MYSELF RIGHT HERE.
I DON'T WANT TO ADD ANOTHER NIGHT MEETING TO MYSELF.
I DON'T THINK TOM'S TOM'S HIS HAND THAT HE DOESN'T WANT TO EITHER.
SHE DOESN'T WANT TO ADD ANOTHER NIGHT MEETING SPEAKING FOR HER.
AND SHE CAN CERTAINLY SPEAK FOR HERSELF.
I'LL START AT FIVE 30 IF YOU WANT.
AND, AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO SORT OF ASK IS, IS THERE A WILLINGNESS TO START EARLIER? I KNOW.
WELL, IT'S BETTER THAN YOU PROBABLY HAVE THE ONLY REAL JOB OF THE ROOM
NO, HE'S GOT, HE'S GOT A REAL JOB, DOESN'T HE? WELL, I MEAN I YOU'RE MORE SELF-EMPLOYED IN, YOU DON'T WORK EIGHT TO FIVE NECESSARILY.
YOU WORK WHEN YOU WORK LIKE I DO.
WELL, I WISH THAT WERE TRUE TO
BUT I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT'S, I WOULD SUGGEST I WOULD LIKE THAT BETTER THAN ANOTHER NIGHT.
TO MAKE IT FOR A 90 MINUTE MEETING.
OR WELL, AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO TALK TO THE TOWNSHIP ABOUT, TALK TO TIM ABOUT.
WE'VE JUST SORT OF HAD AN INITIAL CONVERSATION.
BUT IF YOU'RE ALL COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD TO SAY WE MEET AT FIVE 30 TO
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HAVE AN HOUR AND A HALF OR WELL, THAT'S BETTER THAN ANOTHER NIGHT.LIKE I SAID, AN HOUR AND 15, AN HOUR AND 15 DEPENDING ON YEAH.
AND, AND THERE ARE TIMES, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT IT'S THE SECOND MEETING OF THE MONTH THAT WE COULD CANCEL THOSE.
I MEAN, WE DON'T ALWAYS, SOMETIMES WE DO AND SOMETIMES WE DO.
AND WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE THEM FOR THE, WE MAKE IT MORE OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE MEETING.
SOMETIMES IT'S BETTER IF WE SKIP A MONTH.
SO, WELL WE ONLY NEED EVERY OTHER MONTH ISN'T RIGHT.
BUT WE, YOU KNOW, SO NO, YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THE PLEADING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WE WOULD GOT IT.
AND TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE BYLAWS, IF THERE WAS MORE AT LARGE MEMBERS AND NOT, NOT A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY COMMITTED TO OTHER RIGHT.
PART OF IT IS SOME, A LOT OF THE EACS THAT I'VE LOOKED INTO, THEY SORT OF RUN THEMSELVES.
THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT IS WHO'S OPENING THE BUILDING FOR YOU? WHO'S CLOSING THE BUILDING FOR YOU? AND THEN THAT, THAT'S WHY SEWER I ARE ALWAYS HERE, YOU KNOW.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK IF WE, IF WE TRY FIVE 30, MOVE TO FIVE 30 AND SEE HOW THAT GOES IN THE NEXT MONTH AND THEN WE WILL, UM, SEE AND IF WE WANT TO, I MEAN IF, IF WE, I GUESS IF WE GET BUSY ENOUGH AND WE GET ENOUGH STUFF WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT, WE COULD TALK ABOUT GOING TO EVERY MONTH FOR THE SECOND MEETING OF THE MONTH, SECOND PLANNING, COMMISSION MEETING OF THE MONTH IF WE NEED TO.
OR MAYBE WE HAVE INFORMAL MEETINGS WITH NOT ALL OF US JUST ON THOSE DAYS.
AGAIN, IF THERE'S THINGS TO DO, THAT'S ALWAYS THE CHALLENGE IS MAKING SURE WE HAVE THINGS TO DO.
WE WILL JUMP BACK INTO ORDER NOW.
PLASTICS ORDINANCE SCRIPT FOR PLASTICS ORDINANCE RESEARCH.
UM, BUSINESS LISTING ALSO GOES IN WITH THAT.
YOU CAN SEE SUE HAS HER BUSINESS LISTING IN HERE.
UM, I THINK WE NEED TO PUT IN A LITTLE BIT BETTER FORMAT.
I DON'T THINK I PRINTED IT ALL THAT WELL WHEN I PRINTED IT OUT, BUT WE CAN COMPILE THAT AND THEN WE CAN, YOU GUYS CAN DIVVY THAT UP HOWEVER YOU WANT TO.
DO YOU WANT A LIST OF RESTAURANTS AND START WITH THAT TO, TO ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS? WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S, WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? SAY THAT AGAIN.
HOW DO YOU WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PLASTIC ORDINANCE AND TALKING TO THE LOCAL BUSINESSES? I, I, I APPRECIATE YOU SENDING THE ONE FROM PHOENIXVILLE OVER.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S, AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD FRAMEWORK AND A GOOD START.
UM, WELL I THINK THERE'S TWO, THERE'S TWO, THERE'S TWO PIECES TO THAT.
IT'S NOT JUST THE LOCAL BUSINESS.
I THINK IT'S ALSO THE COMMUNITY.
I THINK WE NEED TO GET, AND I DON'T HATE THE WORD EDUCATION BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DICTATE, BUT THERE HAS TO BE MORE INFORMATION OUT THERE FOR THE PUBLIC.
NOT JUST THE BUSINESSES, BUT THE ACTUALLY EVERYDAY PEOPLE SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
BECAUSE I DON'T THINK, I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU, IN MY OPINION, THAT'S WHERE THE BIGGEST PUSHBACKS ARE TO COME FROM.
SO I THINK IT'S A TWO-PRONGED APPROACH.
IT'S NOT JUST, NOT JUST THE BUSINESSES.
I MEAN, I, I CALLED THE MANAGER DOWN AT PHOENIXVILLE THIS AFTERNOON MM-HMM
AND JUST HAD A BUNCH OF QUICK QUESTIONS I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW LONG DID IT TAKE THEM TO GET IT? WAS THERE A BUNCH OF PUSHBACK ONCE THEY GOT IT PASSED? WERE THERE COMPLAINTS, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
HE SAID IT TOOK THEM ABOUT THREE YEARS IS ABOUT WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT BEFORE MM-HMM
AND, UH, HE SAID, AND AND UH, UH, ON THE BOROUGH COUNCIL, THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO WERE CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
THEY WEREN'T OPPOSED TO IT, BUT THEY WERE JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE PERCEPTION OF GOVERNMENT OVERREACH AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
UH, HE WASN'T PERSONALLY HAPPY ABOUT IT BECAUSE BOROUGH HALL IS RIGHT.
YOU, IT'D BE LIKE IF, IF THIS TOWNSHIP BUILDING WERE AT, UH, PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER.
SO EVERYBODY THAT'S GONNA BE AFFECTED COULD WALK DOWN.
HE SAID, BUT ONCE IT GOT PASSED, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS DELVED INTO THIS, BUT, UM, BASICALLY THEY PASSED IT IN 2024.
IT WENT INTO EFFECT IN JANUARY OF 2025.
AND THEN EVERYBODY HAD A YEAR, WHICH UP TO NOW MM-HMM
AND HE SAID HE NEVER, AND AND IT SAYS IN HERE THAT HE'S THE, THE LIGHTNING ROD.
ANYBODY'S GONNA REPORT ANYBODY FOR NOT COMPLYING OR WHATEVER.
HE SAID HE HASN'T GOT ONE CALL FROM A CITIZEN OR A BUSINESS.
AND HE KIND OF FELT LIKE EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS PEOPLE WHO WERE OPPOSED TO IT, THEY KNEW IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
SO THEY GOT, YOU KNOW, DID THEY TELL YOU WHAT THEIR PROCESS WAS AND HOW I ASKED THEM IF HE, THEY HAD A CONSULTANT AND HE SAID THEY DID, BUT I DIDN'T ASK HIM OTHER, OTHER THAN THAT ONE QUESTION REGARDING THAT.
LIKE WHO DID YOU USE? WHAT, WHAT WAS THAT PROCESS ALL ABOUT? UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE, WE INTERVIEWED THAT ONE, LINDA, OUR OUR YEAH.
UM, SO WASN'T SHE GONNA LOOK INTO THIS TOO? AND WASN'T JOE BLEY GONNA, BECAUSE HE HAD DONE IT IN OTHER PLACES.
JOE PROVIDED US AN ORDINANCE THAT WAS THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCE WE SORT OF TALKED ABOUT
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THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE FAR REACHING, I THINK, THAN WHAT WE LIKED.THAT WAS THE ORDINANCE THAT HE HAD ORIGINALLY WRITTEN FOR AMBLER.
IT'S BEEN ADOPTED IN AMBLER AND IT KIND OF PHASED IN THE PHASED IN LIKE PLASTIC BAGS THIS YEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE NEXT YEAR, A LITTLE BIT MORE THE YEAR AFTER THAT.
I HAVEN'T TALKED TO JOE ABOUT HOW THAT PROCESS HAS CONTINUED SINCE IT'S BEEN ADOPTED.
HE SAID IT WAS A PROCESS TO GET IT ADOPTED AND, BUT THE ORDINANCE HAS WORKED OUT WELL FOR THEM.
AND SO THOSE PHASE INS WERE INCLUDED IN THAT ORIGINAL ORDINANCE.
RATHER THAN THEIR HAVING TO GO BACK AND PASS ANOTHER ORDINANCE WITH ANOTHER PIECE OF IT.
AND WAS THERE SOMEPLACE ELSE, LIKE MEDIA THAT MEDIA HAD DONE IT AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS LINDA, THAT WAS HER CLIENT THAT SHE HAD GONE.
SHE HAD SORT OF GUIDED THE WHOLE PROCESS OF COMMUNICATION.
THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OF WHAT TOM WAS TALKING ABOUT.
NOW UNFORTUNATELY, OUR CONTRACT WITH LINDA HAS BEEN CUT BACK BECAUSE OF BUDGET CONSTRAINTS.
SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE HER TO USE.
UM, WE COULD GET, SHE DID GIVE US A PROPOSAL SO WE COULD GET AN IDEA.
IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF HOW, YOU KNOW, WHO'S DOING THE SOCIAL MEDIA PUSH FOR IT.
'CAUSE THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WELL, YEAH, I, I MEAN, AND, AND SOCIAL MEDIA IS CERTAINLY A BIG PART OF IT.
I MEAN, A GRASSROOTS CAN BE ALSO MM-HMM.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THESE DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
IF WE, IF WE ACTUALLY GO TO THEM, SET UP A BOOTH, LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A HUNDRED TIMES WE'VE NEVER DONE.
BUT IF WE ACTUALLY SET UP A BOOTH AT THE MUSIC FEST, WHATEVER, AND, YOU KNOW, TRY TO GET THE MESSAGE OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND GET THEIR REACTION AND GET THEIR COMPLAINTS AND THEIR, SO THEY KNOW IT'S COMING.
AND UH, BUT, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW.
WE TALK ABOUT SETTING UP BOOTH.
WE'VE NOT REALLY EVER DONE THAT.
I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE STEPS TO ACTUALLY DO THAT.
AND SUE CAN, THERE'S NOTHING SUE HAS GOING ON THAT WE COULD PICK THREE OR FOUR OF THEM.
AND SUE CAN EACH ONE OF HELP, EACH OF US COULD TAKE ONE WITH THE MATERIALS AND GO TO IT.
HER ISSUE HAS BEEN THE STAFFING OF IT AND, YOU KNOW, SHE CAN GET THE MATERIALS THERE, BUT SHE NEEDS SOMEONE TO RIGHT.
AND THAT'S THE CHALLENGE THAT WE'VE RUN INTO.
RIGHT? AND WE CAN DO THAT AND WE CAN, I CAN GET SUE TO SEND OUT THE DATES OF ALL OF HER EVENTS.
AND IF YOU ALL WANT TO PICK ONE OR TWO OR SPLIT IT UP AND TWO HOURS EACH FOR THE CAR SHOW OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE CAN MAKE IT, MAKE IT HAPPEN.
WELL I THINK THAT'S, I THINK WE HAVE TO, I MEAN, IF WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD THIS SERIOUSLY, WE'VE GOT TO DO IT.
PLUS, AND, AND I KNOW THIS IS GOING BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, BUT I LIKE THE IDEA THAT AM PHASED IN IN ONE MOVEMENT.
I THINK THAT'S A BETTER WAY TO GO.
JUST DO ONE THING NOW AND HAVING TO GO THROUGH AND DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN TO DO IT FOR THE NEXT PIECE.
IF, IF, I DON'T MIND IF YOU'RE, IF IF YOU'RE, IF IF WE'RE UH, IF WE DO IT RIGHT, THEN I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT.
BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WANNA REVISIT THIS.
AND PROBABLY NOBODY WANTS BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, EACH TIME YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PUSHBACK AND WHO NEEDS THAT.
AND YOU HAVE TO, WHO NEEDS THAT GO THROUGH THAT SURVEY PROCESS AGAIN? WE DON'T NEED TO, NOBODY NEEDS TO DO THAT.
WELL, I MEAN THAT WOULD PLAY INTO, I I WOULD SAY PASS 'EM ALL AT THE SAME TIME RATHER, RATHER THAN PHASING THEM IN AND WELL, ISN'T IT THE SAME THING? YOU COULD PASS 'EM ALL AND THEN BUT PHASE 'EM IN.
I, I THINK WHAT THE, OR WHAT LORI'S SAYING IS THE ORDINANCE PHASE SAYS FROM THE DATE OF ADOPTION JANUARY 1ST, 2027, YOU HAVE UNTIL JANUARY 20.
SOMEONE LIKE PHOENIXVILLE YOU TOLD 2028 TO NOT HAVE ANY PLASTIC BAGS.
UNTIL 2029 NOT TO HAVE ANY STYROFOAM.
THERE WAS ONE, YOU HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE BLACK PLASTIC FROM THE STYROFOAM.
WAS TYRO WHATEVER THE NEXT, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTAND IT.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD WAY.
UTEN ARE NOT PART OF THE PHOENIX FOR ONE.
AGAIN, I I WOULD PUSH BACK AGAINST THAT BECAUSE THE, THE, THE VENDORS, THE COMMERCIAL PEOPLE WHO ARE DISTRIBUTING BAGS AND SO FORTH MIGHT HAVE A LEVEL OF CONFUSION LIKE, OH, WHICH ONE OF MY BANNED FROM PROVIDING, RATHER THAN JUST MAKE IT ALL ONE FELL SWOOP.
AND, AND AGAIN, PHOENIXVILLE IS PRETTY SIMPLE.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST PLASTIC BAGS, THE STYROFOAM CONTAINERS AND, UH, STRAWS.
BUT IT WAS, IT WASN'T A A, A WHOLE BIG LONG LIST OF THINGS.
'CAUSE I THINK ONCE YOU HAVE THOSE THREE BASIC ITEMS, EVERYTHING ELSE THAT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED ENVIRONMENTALLY, UH, NOT CORRECT.
BUT, BUT TAKE A COUNTER TO THAT.
I MEAN I, I I'M JUST TRYING TO BE, TAKE A DEVIL'S ADVOCATE TO THAT.
ISN'T THAT GONNA BE HARDER ON, NOW YOU'RE BACK TO THE BUSINESSES.
ISN'T THAT GONNA BE HARDER ON THE BUSINESSES TO CHANGE EVERYTHING WITHIN A YEAR VERSUS TRYING TO PHASE IT IN OVER A COUPLE YEARS AND GIVE 'EM TIME TO, YOU KNOW, DO THAT TO PHASE IN BAGS FIRST AND THEN STYROFOAM SECOND AND THEN IS THAT, I'M THROWING IT OUT THERE.
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IS THAT JUST HARDER OR EASIER? I WOULD THINK FOR WHO, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE EASIER AS A BUSINESS TO PHASE IT IN.BUT THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ASK.
SO WHAT, WELL, BUT OBVIOUSLY AMBLER DID IT ONE WAY AND THEY'RE OKAY.
AND PHOENIX FILLS DOWN ANOTHER WAY AND IT'S OKAY.
THERE IS THERE'S NO ONE WAY TO DO ANYTHING WITH, WITH AN ORDINANCE.
IT, IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF, IT REALLY BOILS DOWN TO WHO'S ENFORCING IT AND, YOU KNOW, HOW HOW IS IT BEING IMPLEMENTED AND COMMUNICATED, COMMUNICATING.
THAT'S THE BIGGEST C CHALLENGE.
I WHO WOULD EN ENFORCE IT? PROBABLY ME.
WELL, AND, AND ACTUALLY, LIKE I SAID, THE MANAGER FROM, THAT'S WHY YOU NEED YOUR COPY THOUGH, PHOENIXVILLE.
I MEAN HE EVEN, I DON'T KNOW WHO HE ADDRESSED THIS TO, WHETHER IT WAS THE BOROUGH COUNCIL OR OR OTHER PEOPLE WHO WERE ENDORSING, PASSING IT, EVEN THOUGH HE'S DESIGNATED AS THE GUY WHO IS THE GO-TO FOR POLICING IT.
HE TOLD, HE SAYS, I'M NOT GOING TO BE POLICING THIS.
AND HE SAID, FORTUNATELY HE HASN'T HAD.
WELL, AND LOOK, WE RUN INTO THAT WITH THE ORDINANCE ALL THE TIME.
THERE'S ZONING VIOLATIONS OUT THERE THAT I CAN DRIVE BY AND SEE.
BUT THE BOARD, WHETHER WHEN YOU WERE ON IT OR BEFORE YOU WERE ON IT, OR THE BOARD NOW HAS NEVER SAID, JEFF, WE WANT YOU TO GO OUT THERE AND FIND ZONING VIOLATIONS.
THAT'S NOT THE WAY THIS TOWNSHIP'S EVER OPERATED.
THEY HAVE PEOPLE THAT SPECIFICALLY WILL GO OUT AND WE'LL LOOK FOR ZONING VIOLATIONS AND THEY WILL SEND NOTES AND THEY WILL SEND LETTERS AND THEY WILL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
UM, I'VE NEVER GONE TO THE JUDGE ABOUT IT.
'CAUSE THEY HAD, IT WAS A BAD ELECTION SIGN AND IT WAS WITHIN THREE DAYS OF THE ELECTION.
SO IT CAME DOWN DUMB THINGS LIKE THAT.
THERE'S ONE THAT I KNOW I'M GONNA START FIGHTING HERE IN A LITTLE BIT.
THAT'S A JUNKYARD THAT THEY BUILT A GARAGE ON THAT THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED TO.
SO IT'S, BUT THAT'S A HEALTH SAFETY THING THEN.
THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO FIX THERE WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
IT'S A QUESTION OF HOW MUCH THE BOARD WANTS ME TO SPEND MY BUSINESS HOURS ENFORCING THESE THINGS.
AND THAT'S UP TO THIS POINT WITH ZONING ORDINANCE VIOLATIONS AND EVEN SOME BUILDING CODE VIOLATIONS AND SOME THINGS LIKE THAT.
THERE'S NEVER BEEN AN EXPRESSION OF, OKAY, WE NEED YOU TO BE OUT THERE AS A SPEAR POINT.
AND UNTIL THE BOARD TELLS US TO DO THAT, WE'RE ALL LOOKING AT IT FROM, WE REACT WHEN WE HAVE TO REACT.
AND THAT'S, I THINK HOW GENE'S PROBABLY APPROACHING IT.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT IS A VERY BIG QUESTION THOUGH, IS HOW IT GETS ENFORCED.
I MEAN THAT IT IS BIG QUESTION.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT SHOULD BE YOU OR IT SHOULD BE YOU OR ANYBODY, I'M JUST SAYING.
BUT HOW DO YOU ENFORCE IT AND WHAT IS THE PENALTY IF YOU DON'T, WITH, WITH A ZONING ORDINANCE? AND I'M ASSUMING THIS WILL BE MODELED AT THE SAME METHOD FOR, FOR ZONING VIOLATION.
I HAD A GENTLEMAN JUST ON EGYPT ROAD THAT I SENT A NOTICE OF VIOLATION THAT HE HAD AN ILLEGAL APARTMENT IN HIS, HIS HIS DETACHED GARAGE.
I SAID, WERE YOU GONNA PUT DAD? YOU GONNA PUT DAD SOMEWHERE? WELL, HE HAD BOUGHT THAT.
HE HAD GOTTEN THE HOUSE FROM HIS HE AUNT.
AND SHE, THEY HAD, WE DON'T NEED THE STORY.
SO HE, I SENT HIM THE LETTER SAYING, I KNOW YOU'RE OPERATING IN A LEGAL APARTMENT IN, IN THERE, YOUR PROPERTY'S FOR SALE LISTS AS AN, AS A POTENTIAL IN-LAW SUITE.
IF IT'S AN IN-LAW SUITE, IF YOU DON'T TAKE OUT THE LIVING QUARTERS, YOU'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA GO TO THE JUDGE AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SEND YOU A A, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SEND YOU AN OFFICIAL VIOLATION.
THIS IS JUST A NOTICE OF VIOLATION.
ALL I'VE EVER DONE ARE NOTICE IS A VIOLATION.
AND THAT USUALLY GETS PEOPLE TO CLEAN THINGS UP.
HE GOES, WELL, WE'VE TAKEN THE LISTING DOWN FOR THE, THE IN-LAW SUITE.
WE'VE, THAT, THAT LISTED AN IN-LAW SUITE.
UM, WE DON'T, IT'S NOT HARDWIRED TO THE HOUSE.
I JUST RUN AN EXTENSION CORD OUT THERE.
'CAUSE IT WAS HIS REFUGE WHEN HIS AUNT WAS PASSING AWAY THAT MORE THAN YOU NEEDED TO KNOW.
BUT, SO IT, BUT NOW I HAVE THAT PIECE OF PAPER FOR THE NEXT OWNER THAT COMES IN AND I FIND IT AND LOST ME THERE.
I'M LIKE, NO, IT'S NOT A USE THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE.
UM, IN THIS CASE, IF, IF IT WAS SOMEBODY, IF IT WAS A RESTAURANT AND THEY WERE GIVING OUT PLASTIC BAGS, USING PLASTIC BAGS OR STYROFOAM OR WHATEVER, I WOULD SEND THEM A NOTE SAYING, YOU HAVE 30 DAYS TO STOP DOING THIS.
OR I'M GOING TO GO TO THE JUDGE.
AND THEN, OR YOU COULD, THE ISSUE THERE IS WITH THERE'S A ZONING VIOLATION, THEY CAN TAKE IT TO THE ZONING HEARING BOARD AND APPEAL MY VIOLATION NOTICE.
THEY, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU APPEALED THIS
WELL ALSO, HOW DO YOU FIND OUT? DOES SOMEBODY MAKE A COMPLAINT? WELL, AND THAT'S HOW I FOUND OUT ABOUT THE GARAGE.
PEOPLE, PEOPLE WILL MAKE A COMPLAINT.
WELL, THAT'S HOW I FOUND OUT ABOUT THE GARAGE IS HE HAD AN INTERACTION WITH SOMEBODY AND THAT SOMEBODY SAID, WELL, WHY IS HE HAVE AN APARTMENT IN THERE? AND THEN THEY MENTIONED IT TO SOMEBODY AT THE TOWNSHIP, THE TOWN, THAT EMPLOYEE OF THE TOWNSHIP SAID, HEY, I DON'T THINK HE'S ALLOWED TO HAVE THIS APARTMENT IN THERE.
SHOWED ME THE ZILLOW LISTING OF IT.
AND I'M LIKE, YEAH, NO, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO.
BUT WE'VE HAD OTHER TIMES WHERE POLICE OR FIRE GET CALLED OUT AND THEY COME UP AND THEY'RE LIKE, YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY HAVE A HOUSE, THEY HAVE AN APARTMENT IN THEIR BASEMENT.
ARE THEY ALLOWED TO HAVE IT? THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S HOW I FIND OUT ABOUT IT.
BUT I'M NOT GOING OUT THERE AND LOOKING FOR MULTIPLE POWER, UM, METERS ON A HOUSE.
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A DEAD GIVEAWAY THAT THEY'RE RUNNING A SEPARATE APARTMENT.IF THERE'S TWO, IT'S MORE OF A HEALTH AND SAFETY THING.
TO ACTUALLY DRAW YOU INTO THAT.
AGAIN, THE THE ISSUE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK OUT IS, IS THE ENFORCEMENT PORTION OF IT.
SO, AND, AND, BUT THE, YOU KNOW, SO YOU'RE SAYING PHOENIXVILLE, THE GUY SAYS SUPERVISOR OR THE VERBALLY MANAGER SAYS, I'M NOT GONNA DO THAT.
WELL, HE VERBALLY SAID THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, BUT ON, THEY HAVE A WHOLE SECTION HERE FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES.
I'M SURE THEY HAVE IT LAID OUT.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE, YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE A POLICEMAN THOUGH.
YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE A PERSON DOING IT.
BUT, BUT LIKE YOU SAID, THEY HAVE, HE HASN'T HAD ANY REASON OR NEED TO, THE VAST MAJORITY OF BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO COMPLY.
AND SO YOU DON'T YEAH, I MEAN, I MEAN I WENT INTO WALGREENS THE OTHER DAY IN THE BOROUGH, PHOENIX VILLAGE.
THEN IT, I WAS LIKE, OH, THAT'S RIGHT.
THEY CHARGE YOU FOR THE BACK DOOR AND BUY TWO BOTTLES OF WINE.
THEIR THEIRS, THEY CHARGE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WEGMAN'S THAT'S WHAT'LL CHARGE FOR THE PAPERBACK.
AND MOST PEOPLE GO INTO WEGMAN'S WITH THEIR, THEIR OWN BACK.
WELL THAT'S, THAT'S THE THING.
AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE BEHAVIOR CHANGE.
SO I'M CURIOUS IF WE TALKED ABOUT, SO THE THING THAT, THAT I HAD WRITTEN UP MM-HMM
WAS, YOU KNOW, ASK WAS ASKING PEOPLE IF THEY WANTED TO.
SO THE UM, I LIKE, SO LIKE THE STATS ON THE SCHULL RIVER PLASTIC POLLUTION I THINK IS REALLY INTERESTING.
SO YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AS A REASON WHY, UM, I THINK THIS IS, I THINK WHAT YOU WROTE IS GREAT AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO GET UP ON THE TOWNSHIP'S WEBSITE.
WELL, I THINK IT'S INTER, WELL MAYBE NOT THE SCRIPT PART OF IT, BUT SOME OF THE FACTS AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
BUT LIKE, WHAT DO YOU, I THOUGHT IT WAS A REALLY INTERESTING POINT WHEN I HAD, UM, THE, THE BIRD TOWN SAYS REDUCING PLASTIC.
SO WE'VE ALREADY SIGNED ON TO BE BIRD TOWN.
SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS A REALLY INTERESTING THREAD.
LIKE, COULD WE TURN THIS INTO, COULD YEAR ONE BE A VOLUNTARY INVOLVEMENT WHERE WE PRAISE ORGANIZATIONS FOR, FOR BEING PART OF OUR BIRD TOWN INITIATIVE? OR LIKE THROWING AROUND THIS IDEA OF LIKE RIVER STEWARDS.
'CAUSE WE'RE ON THE RIVER AND THERE'S TONS OF PLASTIC POLLUTION IN THE RIVER.
DO YOU DO IT FROM A VOLUNTARY PRAISE PERSPECTIVE FIRST AND THEN YOU, YOU KNOW, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
'CAUSE THAT'S AN INTERESTING POINT.
CAN, CAN THIS BE A VOLUNTARY, UH, PROGRAM? RIGHT.
CAN WE EDUCATE PEOPLE SAYING HERE, IF YOU DON'T USE BAGS ANYMORE, THEN DON'T MAKE US HAVE AN ORDINANCE WITH A POLICEMAN AND EVERYTHING.
HEY, HERE'S THE REASON WHY YOU SH MR. WAWA, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE BAGS ANYMORE.
OR YEAH, I MEAN, PROBABLY BAG EXAMPLE SOMEBODY.
THE SMALL BUSINESSES WOULD, YEAH, THE SMALL BUSINESS PIZZA SHOP WOULD DON'T DO BAGS.
SO WE MAKE IT MORE OF A VOLUNTARY IS EXPLORING WAYS TO WORK WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES TO KEEP THE SKU RIVER CLEAN AND HEALTHY BEFORE WE CREATE A FORMAL PROGRAM.
WANNA HEAR FROM, FROM YOU, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
UM, YOU KNOW, SKU RIVER RUNS RIGHT THROUGH OUR TOWNSHIP.
PLASTIC POLLUTION, SKU RIVER IS REALLY INTENSE, ET CETERA.
AND THEN LIKE, WOULD YOU PARTICIPATE IN A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM? WOULD YOU BE INCENTIVIZED BY A WINDOW DECAL THAT SAID YOU WERE PART OF BIRD TOWN USA AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WELL, MAYBE SOMETHING IN THE NEWSLETTER EVERY MONTH SAYING, HEY, WE PUT YOUR LOGO, THIS PIZZA SHOP, WON'T WE PUT YOUR LOGO UP ON THE WEBSITE? YOU KNOW, HIGH.
THEY'RE THEY'RE GOING PAPERLESS OR COST.
YEAH, THEY'RE GOING CLASSIC LIST.
WELL, WHY DON'T, IF WE COULD JUST POST BASIC INFORMATION ABOUT WHY PLASTICS ARE BAD ON OUR WEBSITE.
SO SO CAN IT BE AN INITIATIVE RATHER THAN AN ORDINANCE? RIGHT.
I I WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTED TO SEE, LET'S MAKE IT A VOLUNTEER PROGRAM.
IF THERE ARE A TOWNSHIP DONE IT THAT WAY WHERE THEY PUT OUT INFORMATION.
I THINK WE STOPPED LOOKING FOR OTHER TOWNSHIPS.
AND I THINK WE JUST WRITE IT UP.
AND THEN SEE HOW IT WORKS AND TWEAK IT AS WE NEED TO.
IT'S NOT AN ORDINANCE WITH EDUCATION AND WITH FACTS.
I THINK MAYBE WE CAN TURN IT UP.
YOU MIGHT NOT GET A HUNDRED PERCENT.
YOU WRITE IT UP AS AN INITIATIVE.
YOU WRITE IT UP AS, UM, A PROGRAM LIKE YOU SAID, AND WE, WE GET IT ALL FORMULATED.
WE TAKE IT TO THE BOARD, WE SAY, THIS IS WHAT'S GONNA GO ON THE TASK.
AND IT'S NOT A BAN, BUT IT'S, IT'S A VOLUNTEER PROGRAM WHERE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE AT A BOARD MEETING YOU CAN CALL 'EM OUT AND YOU CAN GIVE 'EM A RIBBON.
YOU KNOW, WE TO TELL 'EM WHAT THEIR BENEFITS ARE.
A WELL, NOT ONLY THE BENEFITS, LIKE THE GUY IN PHOENIX, THEY KNEW THEY WERE DOING THE RIGHT THING.
THE FIRST QUESTION IS, THAT'S THE THING.
WHAT WOULD INCENTIVIZE YOU TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM? UM, AND IT'S LIKE, UM, BY THE WAY, THANKS AI FOR HELPING ME WRITE THIS
AND HOW ABOUT IF WE HAVE A TAGLINE, NO PLASTICS, PROVIDENCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, LIKE NO MOAY, RIGHT? HEY, WE'RE PROMOTING NO, I KIND OF LIKE RIVER STEWARDS OR BIRD TOWN U USA.
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WE'RE ALREADY, I THINK EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY CAN RELATE TO RIVER.BUT THE IN INITIAL INITIATIVE ITSELF, LET'S GET THE INITIATIVE SO THAT, BUT THINK IT'S MAKING A VOLUNTEER AND THEN, THEN WE GO INTO, IT'S MAKING AN EDUCATION AND A VOLUNTEER PROGRAM USA WE CAN SAY, HEY, ARE YOU, ARE YOU PARTICIPATING ON, ARE YOU, WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WHO GONNA ENFORCE IT? ARE YOU STEWARD? AND WHO'S GONNA, WE CAN SAY, SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE LAUNCHED BURTON AND THE SUPERVISORS AREN'T INVOLVED EITHER.
THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO MAKE A DECISION THAT'S MAYBE UNPOPULAR.
THAT'S I THINK IF WE STARTED VOLUNTARY THEN IN A YEAR YEAH.
WE CAN SAY, SEE HOW IT WORKS NOW HALF THE BUSINESSES ARE DOING IT ANYWAY.
NOW YOU PASS YOUR ORGANIZATION.
NOW YOU CAN TRY WORDS REALLY MAD.
OR MAYBE YOU REALIZE AT THAT POINT YOU DON'T, DON'T HAVE A LAW.
YOU DON'T EVEN, YOU DON'T NEED A LAW.
THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR TAGLINE.
WE WE COULD CALL IT THE PERKY BIRD STEWARD FOR PERKY O YOU COULD, YOU COULD.
SO WE COULD TEST OUT DIFFERENT NAMES.
BUT I THINK THE QUESTION OF ASKING, YOU KNOW, GOING TO BUSINESS AND SAYING, WE DON'T WANNA PUT AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE, BUT WE HAVE SIGNED UP FOR THESE DIFFERENT INITIATIVES.
WE WANNA, WE WANNA GET OUT SOME EDUCATION.
WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IF IT WAS NAMED X, Y, Z AND WE GAVE YOU A BIRD DECAL AND YOU HAD TO DO THIS TO GET THE WINDOW DECAL, WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN DOING THAT? YOU KNOW, AND SHOUT OUT, THAT'S THE QUESTION.
HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO FOR YOU.
WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE? AND THEN, THEN IF THEY'RE LIKE, NO, NO, NOT ENOUGH, I WOULDN'T DO IT FOR THAT.
OR THEY MIGHT BE LIKE, I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE NEWSLETTER.
BUT YOU GET FEEDBACK ON THE PROGRAM.
WELL, WHAT'S FREE ADVERTISEMENT FOR A SMALL BUSINESS? IT'S FREE ADVERTISEMENT TO GET YOUR NAME IN THERE AND SAY, HEY, THEY'RE PLASTIC LIST NOW.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, ADHERED TO THE RIVER, UH, IN THE, IN THE BIRDS.
THEY'RE THAT'S GOOD STUFF, BIRD.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL GOOD PUBLICITY.
I THINK IF WE, THE BIRD TOWN THING IS, IS BROADER THAN JUST NO PLASTICS.
BUT IT'S A GOOD, BUT IT'S A GOOD INIT.
IT WOULD BE ONE INITIATIVE OF US PARTICIPATING IN BIRD TAP.
'CAUSE THE OTHER INITIATIVE THAT I, JEFF WAS SPEAKING EARLIER, WE GOT HERE, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT BIRD TAP 10 IS NO LONGER WITH US.
HE JUST MOVED, NOT IN WORSE THAN A WHILE.
HE MIGHT HAVE, UH, HE'S JUST, HE JUST MOVED.
UH, 'CAUSE HE WAS, YEAH, HE'S OUR POINT PERSON.
I, I WENT ON THAT PRESENTATION BY THE, UH, WOMAN WHO IS THE CZAR OF PA BIRD TAP.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I PICKED UP ON, AND THEY WERE RECORDING IT, I HAVEN'T A CHANCE TO FIND THE RECORDING TODAY, BUT, UM, WAS, UH, THEIR BIGGEST THING IS CHANGING LANDSCAPES TO MAKE IT BIRD FRIENDLY.
THAT THAT'S THEIR NUMBER ONE THING.
PLASTIC WAS DEFINITELY ON THE LIST.
UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHATEVER LOCAL COMMUNITY SHE WAS INVOLVED WITH, THEY WOULD GO INSTEAD OF US TRYING TO, TO DRAW THE, UM, UM, UH, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE, UH, ORGANIZATIONS THAT MANAGE, UH, PLANT COMMUNITIES? HOAS.
THEY WOULD DO PRESENTATIONS AT THE HOAS UNDER THE BIRD TOWN BANNER.
AND THEN THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD BRING IN, HEY, HERE'S WHAT YOU GUYS CAN DO FOR THE BIRDS.
AND YOU KNOW, ALSO GIVE NOW THE PRESENTATION OF HOW YOU CAN, THIS TIES IN A LITTLE BIT TO AND PROJECT OF B CITY.
YOU GET A BEE STICKER ONE LEVEL, YOU GET A BIRD STICKER, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING TO IT'S BIRDS AND THE BEES AND THE FLOWERS.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN THAT'S, I THINK THAT SORT OF THE SAME IDEAS.
AND, AND, AND HOW DO WE CLEAN THINGS UP? AND IF WE, I THINK TRANSITIONING A LITTLE BIT TO BEES, TO B CITY, USA, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH.
AND FINDING THE, WHAT WAS IT, $300? I THINK WE CAN FIND $300 TO, TO START THAT PROCESS.
THERE'S A, BEFORE WE GO TOO FAR, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT I WAS TOGGLING BETWEEN DOING ONE OR THE OTHER, OR BOTH.
AND IT'S CALLED, UM, IT, IT'S A POLLINATOR PROGRAM THAT FEEDS RIGHT INTO BURGER TOWN AND B CITY.
AND IT'S ABOUT PLANTING POLLINATORS.
AND I MEAN, THEY'RE ALL INTERTWINED.
AND THE POLLINATOR PROGRAM IS A 200 BUCKS FEE.
I MEAN, WELL AGAIN, I, I THINK BUT DO, WHAT DO YOU GET FOR THE $300? DO YOU GET, OR THE $200? DO YOU JUST GET STICKERS? 'CAUSE LIKE WE DON'T, WE KNOW HOW TO DO THIS STUFF.
UM, I DID NOT TURN OUT THIS STUFF FOR, UM, THE POLLINATOR ONE'S.
'CAUSE, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYONE CARES THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A B CITY USA MEMBER, BUT WE SHOULD DO THIS STUFF.
BUT CAN, SHOULD WE JUST DO IT? CAN'T DO IT UNDER, WELL, WE'LL DO IT UNDER THE BANNER OF BIRD.
WE ARE, SHOULD WE JUST DO IT UNDER BIRD TUNNEL? I MEAN, BIRD, WHY DO WE NEED TO BE OBESITY? I JUST, DEVIL
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DEVIL'S ADVOCATE.WHY ARE WE BEING, I THINK IT BECOMES REDUNDANT.
WHY ARE WE ALSO OBESITY? I MEAN, WE COULD SUPPORT THEM AND THIS, WE SHOULD JUST, WELL, LEMME ASK YOU SOMETHING ABOUT EVEN BIRD TIME AND, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT B CITY'S ALL ABOUT, BUT LET'S SAY, LET'S JUST USE BOARD TIME.
THEY WANT TO DO, UH, AND I GUESS HOAS ARE, BUT YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF INITIATIVES DO, DOES THIS CONCEPT NOW WITH ITS BUDGET PROBLEMS HAVE THE CAPABILITIES FOR THEIR PUBLIC WORKS PEOPLE TO DO THIS KIND OF WORK? WELL, YEAH, BECAUSE MOST OF THE TIME IT, IT'S REALLY JUST PUTTING UP, LIKE BIRD TOWN IS JUST A COUPLE SIGNS.
THEY, YOU CAN, WHEN YOU BUY INTO THE PROGRAM, YOU GET TWO SIGNS.
NOW AS YOU PROGRESS, THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT YOU QUALIFY FOR.
IT'S, IT'S LIKE THE SUSTAINABILITY CHECKLIST.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE A SILVER TOWNSHIP OR A SILVER MUNICIPALITY.
AND YOU CAN MOVE UP THE MORE YOU DO.
AND IT'S A LITTLE MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING.
I'M GONNA BE PERFECTLY HONEST WITH YOU.
ALL OF THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S LIKE, OKAY, HERE YOU CAN BUY INTO IT, BUT THEN YOU CAN BE A BETTER FRIEND IF YOU BUY INTO IT THIS MUCH MORE.
AND I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THOSE THINGS.
I THINK FOR THE MONEY, THESE THING FOR THIS, THE POLLINATOR, THE BIRD TOWN COST, IT'S JUST GOOD PR AND IT'S, IT'S, MAYBE, IT DOESN'T MEAN MUCH NECESSARILY IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH WE'VE DONE, BUT IT, IT'S GOOD PR AND IT DOES GIVE US SOME PARAMETERS TO WORK UNDER.
BUT, BUT WHETHER OR NOT, WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN WORK UNDER THESE WITHOUT BECOMING A OBESITY CITY IS ANOTHER QUESTION.
IT'S JUST WHEN YOU SORT OF SAY YOU'RE BIRD TOWN, THEN YOU CAN GIVE THE, THE BIRD TOWNS ALREADY PUT TOGETHER INFORMATION FOR YOU.
BUT, BUT WE HAVEN'T EVEN DONE ANYTHING ON BIRD TOWN.
WHY DO WE NEED A NEW COMMITMENT? AND WE, WELL, BIRD TOWN IS A GREAT TOOL FROM THE PRESENTATION I WATCHED LAST NIGHT, AND LET ME GET A COPY OF THAT AND SEND IT TO EVERYBODY.
I MEAN, IT WAS LESS THAN HOUR.
I MEAN, WE CAN DO 'EM ONCE AT A TIME.
I MEAN, WE COULD DO ONE TOWN AND PUT THE OTHER ONES OFF TO THE SIDE, LIKE INTEGRATED.
BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE MISSION.
SO YOU'RE BIRD TIME, SO YOU GET THE SIGN YOU CAN PUT UP UNTIL BEGINNING OF THE TOWNSHIP, WE BIRD TIME? NO, YOU HAVE TO DO STUFF.
BUT DOES THIS TOWNSHIP HAVE THE MONEY TO DO STUFF? IT DOESN'T EVEN COST MONEY.
WHAT? TO BUILD, PLAY NATURAL? WELL, IT, IT, IT'S NOT FIELDS AND STUFF.
IT, IT'S NOT SO MUCH OF INVESTING MONEY.
IT, THERE'S SOME INVESTMENT IN SOME INFRASTRUCTURE.
BIRDHOUSES IN PARKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SOME OF IT IS JUST HAVING THE ACCESS TO THEIR DATABASE AND THEIR KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THINGS TO PUBLISH FOR RESIDENTS TO UNDERSTAND SO THAT YOU MAY FIND THE PERSON THAT WANTS TO PUT UP A BIRD HOUSE BUT DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT OR DOESN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
I MEAN, IT'S MORE THAN JUST, I HAVE A BIRD HOUSE NOW.
IT'S MORE THAN JUST STICKING A STAKE IN THE GROUND AND PUTTING A BIRD HOUSE IN IN THE BACK.
THERE, THERE'S MORE TO IT THAN THAT.
AND, AND PROVIDING THE FRAMEWORK, IF THERE ARE CITIZENS WHO, HEY, I WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN LONG TO MEADOW, OR I WANT TO GET INVOLVED WITH BIRD HOUSES.
AND THE FIRST PLACE THEY MIGHT GO MIGHT BE THE TOWNSHIP WEBSITE AND THEY CAN LOOK ON THE TOWNSHIP.
WELL, I, I'M NOT, INFORMATION'S FINE.
I'M, I'M THOUGHT ABOUT IF YOU WANNA START ACTUALLY MAKING PHYSICAL CHANGES TO THE TOWNSHIP IN TERMS OF THAT CAN BE DONE MEADOWS.
AND THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE A PROGRAM TO BE PROMOTED IF THAT IS SOMETHING WE WANTED TO DO.
AND I THINK WE ALREADY BUILT IT.
WELL I THOUGHT THAT WAS PART, I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT LIKE A REQUIREMENT.
YOU PICK OFF AS MUCH AS YOU, YOU CAN PICK WHAT YOU WANT.
AND I'M FINE WITH THE INFORMATION.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GONNA TAKE THIS OVER BECAUSE IT REALLY IS KEN, WHILE HE WAS INCLUDED, AS INCLUDED US AS PART OF IT, IT REALLY WAS A PART AND REC BOARD PUSH FOR THAT.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW, AND I HAVEN'T TALKED TO SUE ABOUT IT, WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE MOVING FORWARD.
BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW, I MEAN, JUST BE HONEST, SUE, SUE HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, HER, HER, SHE'S WORKING NOW WITH ONE HAND BEHIND HER BACK RIGHT.
SO, SO LET'S, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST, I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE.
IF YOU REALLY WANT TO BILL, YOU LISTEN TO THIS PROGRAM.
IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GET INTO THE MEADOWS AND PUTTING UP BIRDHOUSES EVERY 50 FEET AND ALL THAT STUFF, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GONNA DO THAT WORK.
AND, AND IT'S NOT YOU, YOU SHOULD WATCH THE PRESENTATION.
WELL, YOU SEE WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT INVESTING MONEY TO DO THOSE THINGS.
AND IF IT'S IN IT'S INFORMATION, IT'S PROVIDING THAT'S FREE.
A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME AND SAY, HEY, I WANT TO DO THIS.
I UNDERSTAND WE'RE A BIRD TOWN.
CAN YOU DIRECT ME IN THE RIGHT THAT'S FREE OR AS AN EAC AND BIRD TOWN REPRESENTATIVES, WE CAN GO TO THE TASK REP AND SAY, HEY, WE'D LIKE TO TAKE ONE OF THESE LOTS DOWN IN, UH, PORT PROVIDENCE AND MAKE A NATIVE MEADOW.
BUT WHO DOES THAT WORK IF YOU DECIDE TO DO THAT? WELL, WE WOULD, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE DECIDED IF WE DECIDE TO DO IT.
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TALKING ABOUT AT THAT POINT.WE DON'T WANT TO, WE DON'T WANT TO STOP FROM INITIATING THIS.
PART OF PART OF IT, TOM, IS, IS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIND THE PERSON THAT WANTS TO DRIVE THAT PROCESS.
THAT'S FOR, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT PERSON IS SITTING HERE AT THIS TABLE OR SITTING IN THE PARKING WITH ME.
I'M JUST THROWING OUT THERE AS A, AS A, AND IT'S ABOUT POINT.
BUT AS AN IMPEDED, WE CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION UNTIL SOMEONE IS WILLING TO DRIVE THE BUS FOR THAT.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE SHOULD WATCH THIS PROGRAM.
WE ALL SHOULD WATCH THE WEBINAR.
AND SHE, SHE WAS HERE FOR, AND I FORGET THERE'S EVEN A TITLE THAT KEN HAS, BUT HE DOESN'T NOW IF HE'S NOT LIVING HERE BECAUSE HE'S NOT WITH US.
DO WE HAVE CONTACT? WELL, WE HAVE HIS EMAIL ADDRESS.
RIGHT? I I I'M ASSUMING THAT SOON.
I MEAN, HE, HE LIVED TO NEW YORK.
BUT I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH CAN, I MEAN, I, I KNOW HE DROVE THE PROCESS FOR US, BUT I JUST WANNA ASK HIM A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW HE CAME TO, YOU KNOW, BECOME THE, THE SUE WOULD KNOW ALL THAT.
WE WE'RE KIND OF, I THINK FOR THE NEXT MEETING, WHAT WE NEED TO DO THEN FOR PLASTICS IS COME UP WITH SORT OF REFINE WHAT YOU'VE PUT IN HERE LEE, TO, TO COME UP WITH A MORE OF A PROGRAM AND INITIATIVE.
AND EVERYBODY JUST NEEDS TO START THINKING OF CREATIVE NAMES, BE PERK OR WHATEVER IT'S GONNA BE, BE PERKY.
UM, SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE OUR CREEK INITIATIVE.
WELL, AND AGAIN, IT TIES INTO WHAT SHE HAD HERE ABOUT THIS, THIS GOOGLE.
BUT, UM, SO THAT'S FOR NEXT MEETING.
UM, WELL ALSO YOU NEED PUT IN IT FOR NEXT MEETING.
WE HAVE TO PICK THESE, MEET THESE EVENTS THAT THE TOWNSHIP HAS.
AND ACTUALLY GET OUT THERE AND MAKE A PRESENCE KNOWN THAT WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO EDUCATE AND PROMOTE THIS VOLUNTARY PROGRAM TO ALL BUSINESSES.
I THINK THAT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO LET THAT PUBLIC KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS THIS LIST? EXCUSE ME.
IS THIS SOMETHING PRINTED? THIS IS SOMETHING THIS, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY BADLY PRINTED.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T REALLY LOOK AT THE BASE.
IT IS, IF YOU LOOK AT PAGES 35 THROUGH, UH, 27, 26, 25, 23, THAT'S ALL OF THE BUSINESSES IN TOWN.
I, I DIDN'T, I SORT OF FORGOT.
I, THE, YOU GUYS GOT A COPY OF THE, THE CSV.
OH, THESE ARE ALL OF THE BUSINESSES.
THESE ARE ALL OF THE BUSINESS IN TOWN.
SO, AND SUE SAID SHE WENT THROUGH AND SHE SORT OF ORGANIZED THEM BY RESTAURANTS.
THAT'S WHERE THIS FIRST PAGE HERE, WHEN IT SAYS ASSEMBLY, THAT'S A BUS.
SO I CAN FORMAT THIS BETTER, MAKE IT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE ALL THIS EXTRA STUFF IN THERE AND GET IT TO YOU.
AND IF YOU WANT TO MAYBE TACKLE A FEW OR JUST SAY, HEY, I KNOW SOMEBODY AT CALIFORNIA TORTILLA, LET ME GO OVER THERE AND TALK TO 'EM AND HAVE A COUPLE CONVERSATIONS.
SO THESE ARE THE BUSINESSES THAT POSSIBLY WOULD USE PLASTIC PRODUCTS.
NOT NECESSARILY A GAS STATION.
AND, AND SO WE WOULD NEED A SCRIPT FOR, RIGHT.
AND I THINK THAT'S IN HERE SOMEWHAT.
I I THINK, WELL, IT, IT CAN BE IF WE AGREE ON IT.
I MEAN, I, I ACTUALLY ALSO REALLY LIKED THE COMMON OBJECTIONS HANDLING THAT THEY PRODUCED FOR ME.
BUT, UM, THE, THE SCRIPT WOULD BE, UM, UH, SO HI MY NAME, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
RECOMMENDED CONVERSATION SCRIPT.
SO THIS, SO KIND OF THIS TIES IT TO THE BIRD, THE BIRD TOWN.
WHICH I THINK IS KIND OF A GOOD WAY TO GO.
IT'S NOT C COMMITTING IT'S COUNSEL.
SO LIKE THE E IS EXPLORING HOW TO FULFILL THE COMMITMENT IN A WAY THAT WORKS FOR LOCAL BUSINESSES.
AND THEN IT SAYS, UM, UNDERSTANDING THEIR SITUATION BEFORE I SHARE OR THINKING AND REALLY VALUE YOUR PERSPECTIVE.
WHAT TYPE OF PLASTIC ITEMS YOU USE HAVE YOU MADE, HAVE YOUR TO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, GENERALLY YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW THIS EXACTLY RIGHT.
BUT YOU'RE KIND OF SAYING RIGHT.
AND I WASN'T EXPECTING SOMEONE TO SIT DOWN AND, AND HAVE LIKE A TELEMARKETING PLACE.
BUT THE IDEA WOULD BE LIKE, EXPLAIN WHAT WE'RE DOING IN A WAY THAT SEEMS NICE AND INCLUSIVE.
THEM ASK THEM WHAT THEY'RE DOING ALREADY AND THEN GET THEIR FEEDBACK.
SO THE FEEDBACK PART, PRESENT THE POTENTIAL PROGRAM.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONSIDERING PROPOSING, WE'D LOVE TO GET YOUR INPUT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF A VOLUNTARY PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM WHERE BUSINESSES COMMIT TO REDUCING SO USED PLASTIC OVER A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME, PARTICIPATING BUSINESSES WOULD POTENTIALLY RECEIVE A WINDOW DECAL FEATURED ON THE WEBSITE.
POSITIVE ION COVERAGE RECOGNITION AT COMMUNITY EVENTS.
WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN THAT? THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE, SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, LONGER THAN IT NEEDS TO BE, BUT THIS WOULD BE THE GENERAL NO, AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD START.
AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S A GOOD WAY TO SORT OF, MAYBE WE WAIT TILL MARCH WHEN WE ONCE SOON WHEN I TALK TO THE TOWNSHIP ABOUT THE, TO THE SUPERVISORS ABOUT THE INITIATIVE AND WE SORT OF GET THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE FORMULATED.
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BUSINESSES.NOW IF YOU KNOW SOMEBODY WHO RUNS A BUSINESS IN TOWN AND YOU WANT TO ASK 'EM THESE QUESTIONS AND USE EM AS A GUINEA PIG TO SORT OF FORMULATE IT, FEEL FREE.
OR IF YOU GO TO A RESTAURANT ENOUGH THAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE ASKING FOR THE MANAGER AND SAY, HEY, I'M HERE ALL THE TIME.
I JUST WANNA HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU.
IS THERE A HANDOUT THAT WE COULD GET SUE COULD PRODUCE? I FEEL LIKE WE COULD PRODUCE A ONE, LIKE A WELL THAT'S WHAT I'M, SHE WOULD'VE THE NEEDS TO JUST SOMETHING A LEAVE COPY SOMETHING.
IF YOU HAVE A HANDOUT, DON'T HAVE THAT IN HERE.
BUT YOU COULD, WE COULD EASILY, WE, I I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD PUT TOGETHER.
WITHOUT, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON NO, NO, NO.
FREE FOLLOW THING OR SOMETHING LIKE, YEAH, NO, THAT'S A ONE PAGE PIECE OF PAPER WE CAN LEAVE WITH SOMEBODY.
SUE'S GOT CREATIVE SKILLS LIKE THAT.
I DON'T THINK I'D MAKE IT PRETTY GOOD.
SO I'LL CLEAN THE, I'LL CLEAN THE DATABASE UP AND WE'LL, WE'LL START WITH THAT.
MAKE REFINE THIS, REFINE THIS A LITTLE BIT DOWN TO WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY.
UM, I THINK, I THINK WE SHOULD STILL LOOK INTO B TOWN AND BE CITY B CITY AND WHAT IS B CITY? YOU EXPLAINED I DON'T, IT IT, IT'S JUST, IT, IT'S LIKE BIRD'S A LINK.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SPEED THINGS THROUGH.
UM, IT'S A LOT LIKE BIRD TOWN.
IT PROMOTES, YOU KNOW, UH, NO PESTICIDES DOESN'T TALK ABOUT PLASTICS, BUT IT TALKS ABOUT REDUCING PESTICIDES AND, YOU KNOW, POLLINATOR PLANTS AND, AND I THINK BIRD TOWN DOES COVER ALL THAT.
AND, AND, AND I THINK LOOKING AT THE POLLINATOR, IS IT A SEPARATE ORGANIZATION? YEAH.
AGAIN, MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND THE MONEY.
MAYBE WE WANNA LET BIRD TOWN SHAKE ITSELF OUT A LITTLE BIT.
BUT I ALSO THINK LOOKING AT THE POLLINATOR GARDEN GROUP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER.
SO CAN YOU BRING THAT TO THE NEXT MEETING? SURE.
POLLINATOR GARDENS AND, AND IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN THE MEADOWS? IT'S SAME, SAME THING REALLY.
THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME GOAL ORGANIZATION.
THAT'S, WELL, I DON'T SEE THAT, BUT IF YOU, IF YOU PLAY A MEADOW, IF WE DO GET SOMEBODY SAY, I DON'T THINK IT'S ON THE SCALE OF A MEADOW.
I THINK THIS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SENT OUT ABOUT A YEAR AGO, SIX MONTHS AGO, WHERE IT'S, WE FIND SMALL AREAS IN THE PARKS OR IN PARKING LOTS, OR EVEN JUST PEOPLE'S HOUSES THAT THEY CAN TAKE AND THEY CAN CONVERT TO A POLLINATOR GARDEN AND GET RID OF THIS MUCH GRASS.
IF WE CAN ENCOURAGE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SMALL, SMALL, IT'S, IT'S A STEP FORWARD.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT EVERYBODY'S GONNA TAKE THEIR YARD AND MAKE IT INTO A POLLIER GARDEN THAT'S NOT REALISTIC, BUT LIKE IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS THERE'S UM, UH, A LOOP WHERE THEY DRIVE.
YOU KNOW, WHERE IT, IT'S GOT A TEARDROP SHAPE AND THERE'S SOME SORT OF ROUNDABOUT IN THE MIDDLE WHERE THAT GRASS MM-HMM
OR WHATEVER'S THERE COULD BE A POLLINATOR.
I MEAN, AND I THINK IT'S AN AWARENESS TOO THAT AS PEOPLE COME INTO SPRAYING AND START GOING TO THE GARDEN CENTERS TO EITHER REFRESH OR THEY'VE MOVED INTO A NEW HOUSE AND THEY'RE GONNA START DOING THEIR LANDSCAPING TO BE CONSCIOUS ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE GONNA PLANT.
AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S A LIST OF PLANTS THAT ARE BIRD FRIENDLY AND NATIVE FRIENDLY THAT HAPPEN TO BE NATIVE AS WELL.
AND THE PLANTS TO AVOID, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A WHOLE THING WITH THIS BIRD TOWN THING ABOUT CERTAIN PLANTS THAT SHOULD BE PULLED OUT BECAUSE IF THE BIRDS EAT THESE BERRIES, THEY RELEASE, UH, CYANIDE OR SOMETHING BURNING, BURNING BUSH, THAT'S ONE OF THEM THAT, THAT'S AN INVASIVE AND, UM, BLACK MULBERRY ACTUALLY IS AN INVASIVE, SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BRINGING AN AWARENESS TO, TO THE GREATER WINE BERRIES IS AN INVASIVE YES.
UM, SO YEAH, I CAN, I CAN BRING THAT STUFF.
WHAT, WHAT WE DID ALONG MY DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS ALMOST 200 FEET LONG AND ABOUT THREE FEET WIDE.
AND, AND I WAS SURPRISED BECAUSE I GOT ENOUGH WILDFLOWER UP SEED MIX TO DO LIKE ONE THIRD OF THIS AREA FIGURING I WOULD DO IT IN STEPS.
AND THEN MY HUSBAND SURPRISED THE HECK OUT OF ME WHEN I STARTED COMING UP, WE HAD, UM, MILKWEED SEEDS AND HE WAS LIKE, OH, SAVE THOSE FOR ME.
AND HE WAS LIKE ALL EXCITED AND MY FRIEND HAS ION AND CAN YOU GET SOME MORE WILDFLOWER SEEDS? 'CAUSE HE WANTS TO DO THE WHOLE THING.
HE DIDN'T WANNA DO IT IN, YOU KNOW, THIRDS.
AND I WAS LIKE, WHOA,
UM, SO, UM, I, I THINK THAT'S GREAT AND I THINK THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO START ENCOURAGING AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GETTING TOWARDS PLANTING SEASON.
UM, AS EVEN JUST MOVING FORWARD, I LOOK AT MY BACKYARD AND I SEE THE PA CASSANDRA I PLANTED 10 YEARS AGO IS ALL KIND OF DEAD AND DYING.
AND I'M THINKING I NEED TO PUT SOMETHING BACK HERE.
'CAUSE IT'S JUST A MUD PIT FROM MY DOG.
SO I'M LIKE, WHAT CAN I DO? I DON'T KNOW.
AND I KNOW I HAVE THE RESOURCES TO GO LOOK FOR IT.
BUT TO PROVIDE THOSE RESOURCES TO SOMEBODY IN THE TOWNSHIP TO DO THAT.
AND EVEN TO START, THERE'S AREAS OF THE TOWNSHIP, IT'S SPRINGER TOWN AND VAUGHN, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY, THE EMPTY LOT THERE, IT'S JUST A GRASS FIELD.
WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE JUST A PLAIN GRASS FIELD? EXACTLY.
IT CAN BE SOMETHING ELSE THAT IT MEANS LESS MAINTENANCE.
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THERE IS SOME INITIAL MAINTENANCE WHEN YOU GET IN THERE YEAH.BUT I THINK ONCE IT GET ESTABLISHED, THEN YEAH.
BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD A WILDFLOWER MIX AT THAT CORNER OF SPRING DUN V IT WOULD BE GORGEOUS.
AND IT WOULD BE, AND IF WE PLANNED RIGHT, IT COULD BE COLOR ALL THE WAY FROM MARCH THROUGH LIKE NOVEMBER AND YOU WOULDN'T, I I GOT DOES THE TOWN MOW IT? IS THAT I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THEY GET, THEY MOW IT OR THEY PLANNED APPROPRIATELY.
EVERY MONTH THERE'S, THERE'S A TRAIL THROUGH IT, BUT YEAH.
AND ALL THE WAY, YOU KNOW, ANDERSON PARK AND, AND BLACKROCK PARK, THIS WHOLE CAMPUS, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF PIECES OF GRASS.
AND I, I THINK IF WE NEED, WE CAN START IDENTIFYING THOSE AND WE CAN START SAYING, THIS IS WHERE WE WANNA TRY THIS.
NOT TALKING ABOUT, HEY, WE'RE GONNA GO TO THIS HOA AND THE BASINS ALONG ONE 13.
WE'RE GONNA EXPECT THEM TO PLOW THEM UP AND MAKE THE MEADOW MIX.
WE WOULD LOVE FOR IT TO HAPPEN, BUT IT'S NOT LIKELY TO HAPPEN ANYTIME SOON.
BUT IF WE CAN SHOW THEM EXAMPLE AREAS WHERE WE GO FROM SMALL OF SMALL PARKING LOT ISLAND TO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT LARGER, MAYBE IT'S FIELD SIX OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN START TO SHOW HOW THESE THINGS WORK AND EXPLAIN THAT TO PEOPLE.
SO, AND YOU KNOW WHO ELSE WE HAVE? IT'S THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS RIGHT.
THEY'RE THE COUNTYWIDE ORGANIZATION THAT WOULD HELP WITH A LOT OF THESE INITIATIVE.
THEY WOULD SEND PEOPLE OUT, GIVE PRESENTATIONS, GIVE US, THERE'S PROCUREMENT WATERSHEDS.
AND I DID GO TO THE MEETING WITH, UM, THAT THING PRESS CONFERENCE SORT OF THING.
AND THERE, APPARENTLY THERE ARE PROGRAMS. WE'VE GOT SOME, WE'VE GOTTEN SOME TREE GRANTS.
WE'VE GOTTEN SOME OF THE TREES THAT WE'RE GONNA BE PLANTING IN THIS AT THE S SCHOOL ON THE PROPERTY WE'VE GOT FROM FEMA.
WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT, A DECENT AMOUNT OF TREES THROUGH THEM.
THE CHALLENGE IS THE TREES ARE LIKE THIS.
BUT I'M SORRY, LET'S GET INTO YOUR, YOUR PROPOSAL FOR SALT.
OH, WELL I JUST, I WANTED TO RAISE IT.
IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A FORMAL PROPOSAL.
JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE ARE NO SALT ORGANIZATION.
I, I HATE IT'S PART OF BURN TIME.
SO I, UM, I FIND THE SALT SO ANNOYING.
UM, AND APPARENTLY A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE TOO, TOO, BECAUSE PENNSYLVANIA HAS ESTABLISHED GUIDANCE TRAINING PROGRAMS IN THE STATEWIDE ADVOCACY COALITION, UM, ON SALT PRODUCTION.
AND I, LIKE, I GO TO THE YMCA AND I YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S EXCESSIVE.
I GO TO MY DAYCARE SOME PLACES IT'S, YEAH.
I GO TO MY DAYCARE AND IT'S EXCESSIVE.
AND WHAT YOU REPLACE IT WITH? HUH? REPLACE IT WITH WHAT? WELL, SO THEY PUT DOWN WAY TOO MUCH.
SO ONE OF THE VERY EASIEST THINGS IS TO, UM, IS TO JUST IS IS TO JUST DO LESS.
SO WHERE DOES IT SAY IT HERE? UM, WE DON'T USE SALT.
WELL, AND IN OUR PLACE WE USE
I, I WOULD ASSUME THAT OUR MUNICIPALITY, UH, WHO'S THE DIRECTOR OF, OF, UH, DON DON KELLY HAS, HAS, I'M SURE THE STATE HAS PEOPLE WHO COME IN AND DIRECT THEM.
MAYBE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS.
I AM MOSTLY TALKING ABOUT PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS, BUT LIKE FOUR MUNICIPAL ROADS.
ARE WE, WE DOING THE RECOMMENDED SOLVE PER MILE OR ARE WE DOING MORE THAN THAT? BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS DO CYA, THAT'S WHY IT IS SO EXCESSIVE IS BECAUSE CYA PLACES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YEAH.
IT'S LIKE, BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT ANY LAWSUITS.
THEY DON'T WANNA HAVE LAWSUITS.
BUT YOU CAN'T, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, IT GETS INTO ALL THE RUGS.
IT'S, AND IT'S, IT GETS INTO THE WATER.
WELL THAT'S, WELL, SO WHY DO WE CARE ABOUT IT? WE CARE ABOUT IT BECAUSE NOT ONLY FOR ALL OF THE REASONS THAT I FIND IT SO ANNOYING TO HAVE IT ALL OVER MY SHOES AND IN MY HOUSE, BUT, AND IN MY CAR AND ON THE BOTTOM OF DOG'S, FEET, MY CAR.
IT ALL DRAINS INTO THE PER IT JUST SO OBNOXIOUS.
IT ALL DRAINS INTO THE, I'LL TELL YOU, TROUT UNLIMITED HAS A GREAT PRESENTATION.
YOU KNOW, LIKE A YOUTUBE VIDEO.
20 MINUTES OR SO THAT GIVES YOU THE KIND OF THE, THE ECOLOGICAL IMPACT THAT OVERUSE OF SALT OR EVEN ANY USE OF SALT.
WELL, WELL, ESPECIALLY WITH REAL SCIENCE.
AND SO ALTERNATIVE, LIKE I SAID, WE USE RE AT HOME.
SO HOWEVER USE SAND, BUT I USED IT, I, THIS, THAT, THAT ONE CAME RIGHT UP.
I TELL MY FAMILY TO USE KITTY LITTER, KITTY LITTER.
UM, IT JUST INCREASES TRACTION.
DOESN'T MELT YOUR ICE, BUT IT INCREASES TRACTION.
UM, BUT SO, SO IT'S A, LIKE, SO THE PROPOSED ACTIONS, RIGHT.
CREATE A FACT SHEET ON PROPER SALT APPLICATION, A COFFEE MUG OF SALT FOR A 20 FOOT DRIVEWAY.
HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE USING THAT? A COFFEE MUG? NO.
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RIGHT.SO THAT'S LIKE, SO, SO WE COULD, SO THIS TO ME IS, IS I, I DON'T KNOW.
I DIDN'T, YOU JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS INTEREST IN IT, BUT RIGHT.
THEY'RE SALT, LIKE SMART SALT TIPS.
WELL, I GUESS THAT'S MY QUESTION.
PARTNER WITH THE BIRD TOWN MESSAGING.
WE ARE MAKING EVERYWHERE UNINHABITABLE.
SO ANYWAY, I, I GUESS THAT SINCE WE GOT THIS, THAT'S MY QUESTION TO THE EAC AT LARGE, DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE PURSUING THIS AND, WELL, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S HONORABLE.
BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GETTING RID OF PLASTIC IN A TOWNSHIP.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING MEADOWS INTO TOWNSHIP.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE, I DON'T THINK IT'S TOO, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT TYPE OF AUTHORITY OR TIME TO THINK IT'S STICK WITH THE PLASTICS.
AGAIN, IT, IT'S, IT'S EDUCATIONAL AND IT, IT'S REALLY PUTTING FORTH POLICIES.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE DESIGNED TO DO HERE AT THE E.
SO LET'S GET, LET'S GET THE PLASTIC THING GOING.
LET'S LOOK, LET'S GET THAT DONE.
I THINK WE CAN, THIS IS THE FIRST WE'VE SEEN IT.
SO LET'S NOT, I JUST THINK WE'RE TRYING TO BITE OFF MORE THAN WE COULD CHEW.
'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE WORKERS.
WELL LET, LET'S, HOW ABOUT THIS.
WHY DON'T EVERYBODY JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.
WE'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AGAIN FOR NEXT MONTH FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
JUST THROW IT OUT AND WE'LL SEE HOW WE FEEL ABOUT IT.
IT FEELS LIKE SOMETHING THAT'S UNDER OUR PURVIEW AND IT IS REALLY A BOTHER.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE WELL RECEIVED.
MATTER FACT, SOMEBODY SENT ME A PHOTO.
IT WAS SOMEWHERE IN THIS TOWNSHIP OF A BIG PILE OF SALT IN SOME COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISES.
IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN, I GUARANTEE I HAD A BLUE TARP OVER IT.
SO THEY WERE, THEY KNEW THAT THEY HAD TO KEEP IT PROTECTED.
LIKE AT LEAST THEY HAD IT DRY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, AROUND THE EDGES OF, I I CAN ALMOST GUARANTEE YOU IT PROBABLY PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER BECAUSE EVERY YEAR THEY, THEY STAGE TRACTORS AND SNOWPLOWS AND ALL THAT STUFF OVER THERE.
IT USED TO, I THINK IT'S IN THE, THE PETSMART PARKING AND I'M, I CAN'T SAY FOR A FACT, THE PERSON WHO SENT IT TO ME SAID, YOU KNOW, HERE'S SOMETHING FOR YOUR EAC AND RIGHT.
BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE WITHIN OUR PURVIEW.
SO HERE'S THE THING ABOUT POLICY ON SALT.
BUSINESSES GIVE A S**T BECAUSE YOUR LIABILITY, THEY DO.
THE LIABILITY IS UNBELIEVABLE.
BUT THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE THE LIABILITY BECAUSE THEY'RE OVER SALTING TO THE POINT THAT IT'S, OKAY, WELL LET'S, LET'S GET THAT LAW CHANGED TOO.
I'M SAYING, I'M SAYING, I'M SAYING THAT IT'S INEFFECTIVE.
THE AMOUNT OF SALT THAT THEY PUT DOWN ACTUALLY MAKES IT LESS EFFECTIVE BECAUSE IT'S TOO MUCH PEOPLE.
A LAWYER THOUGH FEELS A GOOD LAWYER IS GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU COULD PROVE TO HIM THAT YOU GOT A GOOD BED OF SALT DOWN THERE, IT'S GONNA BE HARDER HIM TO PROVE HAZARD VERSUS NOT HAVING ENOUGH SALT.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SALT, LET'S PUT THIS SALT THING ON FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
AND LET'S ADJOURN FOR NOW AND NEXT MEETING WE START AT FIVE 30.
I WILL LET YOU KNOW ABOUT THE FIVE 30 THING.
I HAVE TO CHECK 'CAUSE WE PROBABLY HAVE TO RE ADVERTISE.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM, BUT I WILL VERIFY THAT BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.
FOR MORE, FOR PEOPLE TO JOIN THE EAC C IF WE CHANGE THE TIME.
JUST FOR NOW, FOR CHANGING THE TIME.
I ALSO PART OF FROM THE MEETING'S PUBLIC, RIGHT.
I NEED FOR THE PUBLIC IF THEY WANNA COME.
WELL, FOR, I ALSO NEED TO CHECK ON WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE, HOW WE DO THE REQUIREMENT TO BE HERE.
EVERYONE ELSE IS PART OF ANOTHER BOARD.
WE WANNA SEE IF WE CAN MAKE IT JUST FIVE THAT LARGE MEMBERS OH YEAH.
WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE WE CAN'T, WE'RE NOT SURE WE'RE GETTING, GET ANYBODY FROM THE AD MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY WHEN SHE STEPS DOWN FROM IT.
SHE CAN'T BE ON IT ANYMORE IF SHE'S NOT ON THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY.
NOT SAYING YOU INITIALLY BE HERE, YOU, YOU'RE GONNA STAY IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BUT YOU END.
IF I CAN'T OR I'LL JUST SHOW UP ANYWAY.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? YEAH.