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I FORGOT TO SEND YOU THE PRESENTATION FOR OKAY.[CALL TO ORDER]
QUEUE UP.YOU CAN START WHENEVER YOU WANT.
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UH, APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.I GUESS THAT'S THE AGENDA THAT WE'RE FOR THAT.
WE HAVE THAT PRESENTATION AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT THOSE TASKS THAT, JEFF.
DO YOU HAVE AN APPROVAL OF AGENDA QUESTION AND THEN ANY PUBLIC COMMENT, PUBLIC COMMENTS,
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APPROVAL OF MINUTES? ANYBODY? UH, CHANGE MOTION.[2. Presentation by Keep America Beautiful]
ACTION ITEMS. PRESENTATIONI DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S STILL FUZZY.
OH, SO IT WASN'T THROWING YOU UNDER THE BUS TODAY WITH HEIDI.
IT'S JUST LIKE I, I DON'T KNOW THE TIME.
THAT'S WHEN I RAN TO JEFF'S OFFICE TO MAKE AGENDA
LIKE I SAID, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT IT WAS DECEMBER 1ST AT SEVEN, BUT I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M NOT QUITE SURE.
READY WHEN YOU'RE UM, HI EVERYBODY.
MY NAME IS AND I'M A YOUTH AMBASSADOR FOR KEEP PENNSYLVANIA.
BEFORE I EXPLAIN WHY AND HOW UPPER PROVIDE SHOULD BECOME AN AFFILIATE OF KEEP PENNSYLVANIA BEAUTIFUL.
I LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT AND INTRODUCE WHAT KBB ACTUALLY IS.
KEEP PENNSYLVANIA BEAUTIFUL IS PART OF A LARGER PROGRAM CALLED KEEP AMERICA BEAUTIFUL.
AND KBS MISSION IS TO EMPOWER PENNSYLVANIANS TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITIES CLEAN AND BEAUTIFUL.
OUR VISION IS A CLEAN AND BEAUTIFUL PENNSYLVANIA.
AND THE CORE VALUES INCLUDE IMPROVING THE COMMUNITY, PARTNERING WITH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SECTOR ORGANIZATIONS, ENGAGING AND ACTIVATING PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND GIVING ACCESS TO BOTH SERVICES AND RESOURCES.
KBB HAS DONE SOME VERY IMPACTFUL THINGS IN THE PAST, AND IN 2024, THEY COLLECTED 3.2 MILLION POUNDS OF TRASH.
OTHER ACCOMPLISHMENTS INCLUDE WORKING WITH VOLUNTEERS TO CLEAR OVER 225,000 MILES OF ROADS SINCE 1990.
THERE'S LOTS OF BENEFITS TO BECOMING AN AFFILIATE WITH LITTLE DOWNSIDE.
MOST NOTABLY, WE WOULD GAIN ACCESS TO ANNUAL AFFILIATE FUND GRANTS, AND BY BEING INCLUDED IN THIS A AFFILIATION, IT DEMONSTRATES OUR TOWNSHIPS CONTINUED COMMITMENT TO THE ENVIRONMENT AND TO OUR COMMUNITY.
THERE IS A ONE TIME, THERE IS A ONE TIME $250 AFFILIATION FEE AND AN ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP FEE OF A HUNDRED.
THE REQUIREMENTS FOR BEING AN AFFILIATE INCLUDE SIGNING THE AFFILIATE AGREEMENT, MAINTAINING A COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE, IDENTIFYING AS A KPB AFFILIATE, ESTABLISHING GOALS AND OBJECTIVES ANNUALLY HOSTING OR PARTNERING IN FIVE PROGRAMS OR EVENTS ANNUALLY.
COMPLETING THE KPB REGISTRATION, COMPLETING THE AFFILIATE REPORT, AND PARTICIPATING IN 10 HOURS OF RELATED TRAINING ANNUAL.
AS AN AFFILIATE, WE WOULD GAIN IMMEDIATE ACCESS TO ANY RESEARCH THAT KDV CONDUCTS ANNUALLY, AND THIS WOULD GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO BECOME THE LOCAL EXPERT.
IF WE AS COMMUNITY FEEL THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO FILL OUT THE ONLINE APPLICATION, WHICH IS BRIEF AND STRAIGHTFORWARD.
AND THEN I WOULD SET THIS UP WITH KYLIE MCCUTCHEN, THE AFFILIATE COORDINATOR, WHO WOULD FACILITATE
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THIS PARTNERSHIP.AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS MAP, OUR NEIGHBORING COUNTIES AND TOWNSHIPS ARE ALREADY AFFILIATED LIKE CHESTER AND DELAWARE COUNTY.
THE ONLY TOWNSHIP IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY THAT IS ALREADY AFFILIATED IS NORRISTOWN, WHICH IS ACTUALLY WHERE I GOT THE IDEA TO INTRODUCE THIS CONCEPT TO OUR TOWNSHIP, BECAUSE I FEEL THIS IS, THIS PROGRAM IS DEFINITELY IN LINE WITH OUR GOALS TO PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT AND OUR DESIRE TO BECOME A BIRD TOWN.
ALSO HAS A BUNCH OF OTHER IMPACTFUL PROGRAMS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, AND WE DO NOT NECESSARILY NEED TO BE AN AFFILIATE TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE PROGRAMS. FIRST ONE IS PICK UP PENNSYLVANIA, WHICH IS AN INITIATIVE THAT PROVIDES FREE SUPPLIES TO COMMUNITIES WHO SCHEDULED REGISTERED EVENTS.
THESE EVENTS INCLUDE LITTER, CLEANUPS, ILLEGAL DUMP CLEANUPS, COMMUNITY GREENING AND BEAUTIFICATION, AND SPECIAL COLLECTION OR EDUCATIONAL EVENTS.
AFTER THAT, THERE IS THE ILLEGAL DUMP FREE PA, WHICH PROVIDES SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS TO CATCH PEOPLE WHO DUMP THEIR TRASH ILLEGAL.
AND THERE IS OPEN YOUR EYES TO LITTER, WHICH IS A BOOK SERIES AND ANTI-LITTERING CURRICULUM INTENDED TO EDUCATE KIDS AGAINST LITTER.
AND THERE IS THE LITTER HAWK PROGRAM, WHICH IS A POSTER MAKING COMPETITION FOR ELEMENTARY STUDENTS.
ALSO INTENDED TO EDUCATE KIDS AGAINST LITTER, KEEP PENNSYLVANIA BEAUTIFUL.
ALSO WORKED WITH STUDENTS IF, WITH STUDENTS OF ALL AGES TO CREATE LIT FREE SCHOOL ZONES.
AND FINALLY, THERE'S THE WATERWAY STEWARD PROGRAM, WHICH ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO CARE FOR AND MAINTAIN THE LOCAL WATERWAYS.
IN OUR CASE, THIS WOULD BE THE SCHOOL.
TO SUMMARIZE, THIS IS WHY I BELIEVE THAT UPPER PROVINCE SHOULD BECOME AN AFFILIATE OF KEEP PENNSYLVANIA.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE DISCUSSION.
SO FOR REFERENCE, UM, THIS PRESENTATION WAS GIVEN TO THE PARK BOARD LAST WEEK.
UM, THE PARK BOARD, UM, WAS VERY INTERESTED IN BECOMING AN AFFILIATE AND BECOMING PART OF THIS PROGRAM.
I THOUGHT IT WAS AT THE BEST INTEREST FOR THE TOWNSHIP THAT AS THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THAT WE SHOULD ALSO SHARE THIS PRESENTATION WITH YOU GUYS TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY INTEREST FROM EAC TO JOIN US ON THIS.
UM, WE CAN CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO VOTE ON TODAY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT I WANT TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION BECAUSE IT CAME TO PARK BOARD ALREADY.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PROGRAMS THAT KIND OF WORK HAND IN HAND WITH PARK BOARD AND ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
UM, AND I FEEL LIKE THIS COULD BE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO BIRD TOWN, WHICH WE'LL HAVE UPDATES ON LATER THAT, UM, COULD, WE COULD WORK HAND IN HAND ON IT.
UH, DID THE PARK BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS? UM, THEY HAD QUESTIONS ON HOW, UM, PROCEDURES FOR THE TOWNSHIP LIKE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
'CAUSE THEY WERE ALL KIND OF IN FAVOR OF MOVING FORWARD WITH IT.
UM, I DID HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
AFTER LISTENING TO BOTH PRESENTATIONS, UM, WITH THE COMMITTEE, DO YOU KNOW IF THAT CAN BE A SINGLE BOARD THAT'S ALREADY CREATED? YEAH, THAT'S ACTUALLY UP TO YOU GUYS.
SO IT COULD BE A BOARD THAT'S ALREADY CREATED.
SO IT COULD BE LIKE THE PARK BOARD.
WE'D HAVE TO PICK A BUNCH OF PEOPLE TO FORM A SEPARATE COMMITTEE.
WELL, THAT'S, IT'S LIKE A VOLUNTEER WORD AT THIS POINT.
UM, AND THEN THE 10 HOURS OF TRAININGS A YEAR, IS THAT FOR, UM, THE ENTIRE COMMITTEE? SO 10 HOURS OVERALL, IS IT 10 HOURS EACH INDIVIDUAL ON THE COMMITTEE? UM, I'M NOT COMPLETELY SURE ABOUT THAT.
I THINK, IS THAT DONE ONLINE OR IS THAT DONE WHERE SOMEBODY COMES IN AND IF THIS IS THE GROUP AND TALKS TO US? UH, I'M ASSUMING ON, YEAH, I'M ASSUMING.
AND, AND KEEP PA BEAUTIFUL IS, UH, SUB AFFILIATE OF KEEP AMERICA.
IS THAT, AND SO AS, AS IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF LITTER FOCUSED PLANS AND PROGRAMS, HOW, LIKE IF WE BECAME A, AN AFFILIATE, DO WE GET, UH, INFORMATION FROM YOU ON HOW TO PUT TOGETHER, LET'S SAY A ROAD CLEANUP OR A STREAM CLEANUP OR, UM, YEAH.
SO I'M AN AMBASSADOR AND I GET, I TALK TO MS. MCCUTCHEN EVERY MONTH AND I CAN HELP COORDINATE ANY EVENTS WHICH EVENTS COULD BE LIKE LITTER, CLEANUPS OR A GREENING EVENT, WHICH WOULD BE LIKE PLANTING TREES OR COMMUNITY BEAUTIFICATION, WHICH IS, WE ALL COME TOGETHER TO HELP IMPROVE OUR COMMUNITY.
SO WE HAVE A VARIETY OF OPTIONS AND
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UH, I, I CAN HELP IN ANY WAY I CAN, BUT OTHERWISE IT COULD ALSO GO THROUGH MISS.AND DO YOU LIVE IN THE TOWN? MM-HMM
OH, YOU DO? WHAT'S YOUR ROLE AT THAT? ARE YOU, YOU IN COLLEGE OR? I'M A HIGH SCHOOL.
OH, YOU'RE STILL IN HIGH SCHOOL.
SO THAT'S HOW YOU GOT INVOLVED? UH, YEAH, THROUGH SCHOOL, THROUGH SPRING FORD.
UM, I APPLIED FOR THIS AND I GOT ACCEPTED THROUGH SPRING FORD HIGH SCHOOL.
NOT NECESSARILY, NOT NECESSARILY.
WHAT YEAR ARE YOU? I'M A SOPHOMORE.
SO YOU'RE IN IT FOR TWO MORE YEARS.
DOES SPRING FORD BACK YOU IN ANY WAY HIGH SCHOOL, SIX MONTHS OR THREE YEARS?
IT'S REALLY SPRING FORD DOES HIGH SCHOOL, HAS NO SKIN IN THE GATE.
DO YOU GO TO SPRING COURT? OKAY.
WE LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
SO WOULD YOU IMAGINE THAT SPRING FORWARD, LIKE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF AROUND SPILL THAT WOULD LIKE LITTER AT SCHOOLS.
IF, IF THAT WAS SOMETHING IN THE DIRECTION THAT WE'D WANT TO GO TO, THEN WE COULD DEFINITELY IMPLEMENT SOMETHING WITH THAT.
BUT SO FAR, SINCE WE'RE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THEM, THERE'S NOTHING YET.
SO THE VOLUNTEERS, YOU NEED TO DO THESE CLEANUPS, WOULD THEY BE STUDENTS THAT YOU COULD RECRUIT? ANYBODY? YEAH.
BUT WOULD YOU RECRUIT STUDENTS FOR THAT? YEAH.
THAT WOULD BE A NICE PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE TOWNSHIP AND THE SCHOOL.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.
ALSO, THERE'S A STREAM PLAY OUT IN PERM AND BORDER.
SO I'S THAT CONNECTED ANYWAY WAY? UH, I'M NOT COMPLETELY SURE.
I'D LIKE IF, IF I MAY, I THINK IT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD IDEA FOR US.
I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AT THE EAC C BEFORE DOING SOME PARK CLEANUPS.
THE PARK AND REC DEPARTMENT USED TO RUN THEM ANNUALLY.
I THINK IF WE WERE TO REFOCUS ON THAT AS A GROUP, THIS COULD BE A GOOD WAY TO GET MORE VOLUNTEERS OUTSIDE OF JUST THE PEOPLE AT THE TABLE.
THAT'S WHY I THINK ABOUT THE HIGH SCHOOL.
INCORPORATE THE STUDENTS AND HAVE THEM COME OUT, YOU KNOW, AS AN INSERVICE TYPE OF DAY.
GET HOURS IF THEY NEED THEM FOR ANY, UM, COMMUNITY SERVICE AS WELL.
'CAUSE BILL AND I ARE ROLLING YOU.
WE CAN'T PICK UP TOO MANY TIRES.
I FEEL LIKE YOU HOW MANY TIRES WE GOT LEFT? OH, NO, NO.
WE GOT THAT WAS I WAS ONLY PUTTING YOU ON TIRES.
YEAH, I ALL I WAS GONNA HAVE YOU DO, WE MIGHT NEED THEM JUST IN CASE YOU HAVE TO SPARE.
SO HAVE, DID YOU GUYS LOOK INTO THE GRANTS? DID THAT SEEM LIKE YOU MENTIONED THAT? NOT YET, NO.
THIS WAS MERELY, UM, THEY WOULD LIKE TO THE PARK BOARD, LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD, FORWARD WITH IT JUST TO GET THE, UM, I DON'T KNOW.
I GUESS THE ASSISTANCE IN STARTING SOME OF THESE CLEANUPS AND STARTING SOME OF THE PROGRAMS, UM, WE DIDN'T LOOK INTO THE GRANTS YET.
I HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO LOOK INTO IT.
BUT ONCE WE'RE AFFILIATED, I'M SURE WE'RE MORE ENCOURAGED TO PUT IN FOR THOSE.
AND WE'RE PROBABLY MORE ON THE LADDER OF GETTING ACCEPTED FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I WOULD ASSUME IF A PART OF THE PROGRAM, WELL, WOULDN'T IT MAKE SENSE THAT THE PARK AND REC WOULD TAKE THE YOU HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE A BUDGET.
RIGHT? NEITHER JUST THE PARK BOARD.
WELL, I KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
PARKS RECREATION HAS THE BUDGET, RIGHT? YES.
I THINK THE PARK BOARD, I WAS LIKE, NO, BUT NOT THE BOARD ITSELF.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, THE PARK.
SO THAT MAKES SENSE THAT THAT WOULD BE THE LEAD, RIGHT? MM-HMM
BUT WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM THOMAS? WELL, I WANT TO KNOW, I WANTED YOUR INTAKE ON IT.
DO YOU GUYS WANT TO BE A PART OF IT? WOULD YOU LIKE TO ALLOW THE PARK BOARD TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF IT AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE ACTIVITIES THAT WE HAVE? OR DOES THE EAC SIMILAR TO BEARTOWN? DO WE WANT TO JOIN FORCES? SOMEHOW JOIN FORCES, IN MY OPINION, BUT I, I THINK IT'S SIX ONE HALF DOZEN THE OTHER I THINK.
BUT I THINK JUST YOU GUYS NEED, JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE BUDGET, RIGHT? SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
WE'LL FILL OUT THE APPLICATION AND WE'LL SERVE YOU.
I DON'T ANYBODY IN THIS TABLE'S AGAINST TRASH
HOW'S THAT? I JUST GOT SHORT DUMP RIGHT AT THE EDGE OF MY PROPERTY.
MY WIFE CAME HOME AND SAID, UH, HEY, I THINK THERE'S SOME GUYS HUNTING THERE.
PARKED OUT AT THE EDGE OF THE, YOU KNOW, LONG OLD STATE ROAD.
AND I CAME OUT, DROVE UP THE ROAD AND THERE WAS NOBODY THERE.
AND I TURNED UP NER AS I'M GOING TO AVNER A TRUCK CAME THE OTHER WAY.
AND I, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS, I SAID, OH, THAT'S PROBABLY THE GUY SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
THEY WERE PROBABLY LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO HUNT.
BUT AS I CAME BACK DOWN OLD STATE ROAD THERE, IT WAS RIGHT ON THE CORNER.
OF, UH, WHAT DID THEY DUMP? IT WAS, UH, TRASH BAGS, DRYWALL.
THEY PROBABLY JUST DID A, A SMALL LITTLE CONSTRUCTION PROPERTY.
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FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM PUBLIC WORKS, IT'S ONE OF OUR KEY DUMPING AREAS IN THE TOWNSHIP FOR WHATEVER REASON.SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY.
YOU KNOW WHERE OTHER ONE IS? THEY'RE FREE ACROSS THE LITTLE BRICK THERE, I'LL TELL YOU.
AND THEN WOODS, WE DIDN'T NEED THOSE CAMERAS.
AND I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE USED TO DO CLEANUPS DOWN ON THE, WELL, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER, ALONG THE OLD, UH, PHOENIX IRON CANAL TRAIL.
IT WAS ALL SHORT DUMPS UPON LOTS OF SHINGLES.
BUT YEAH, I MEAN, THERE'S ALWAYS A NEED FOR THAT.
AND THERE IS A GROUP THAT, THAT HAS CLEAN, DONE A CLEANUP OF THE SKER RIVER.
I THINK IT'S IN AUGUST, WHICH I THINK THAT THE TOWNSHIP CO CO-SPONSOR THAT USED TO DO IT, I THINK IT'S CHUKA CANAL ASSOCIATION RUNS IT.
I KNOW THERE WAS, THEY TRIED TO THOUGHT THE TOWNSHIP PAID FOR THE DUMPSTER OR SOMETHING.
NO, WE'RE ALLOWED TO SIT ON OUR PROPERTY.
SO ANYWAY, IF WE WERE A KPA BEAUTIFUL AFFILIATE, THAT MIGHT BE A PROJECT WE COULD YEAH.
IF YOU GUYS ARE LIKE THE PARK BOARD, YOU CAN VOTE ON HAVING PARK BOARD TAKE OWNERSHIP OF IT.
WELL, I THINK, I THINK THEY JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA SPEND THE MONEY.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I'M THINKING I'M, BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY COULD BE EQUAL TO, TO, YOU KNOW, HELPING DOING ALL THAT STUFF.
NO, I DON'T THINK A VOTE IS NECESSARY.
I THINK JUST GENERAL CONSENSUS.
IT'S SO IN, UM, TO SPEAK FOR THE PARK BOARD, WE'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU IN THE NEW YEAR.
MOST LIKELY TO START THAT PROCESS.
AS LONG AS THE TOWNSHIP MANAGERS GO WITH ME DOING THAT
UM, SO FROM A BIRD TOWN, UH, QUESTION LIKE, DOES THAT, DO THOSE ACTIVITIES OVERLAP? THEY WILL MESH, YES.
'CAUSE IT'S A HUNDRED FOR BIRD TOWN, SO IT'S ANOTHER A HUNDRED FOR THIS.
WELL, BUT BY DOING SOME OF THEIR STUFF, IT'LL MARK OFF SOME OF THE STUFF WE HAVE TO DO FOR BIRD TOWN.
SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE DOUBLE DIPPING BECAUSE BIRD TOWN JUST GIVES US A LIST AND WE JUST DO WHAT IS ON THE LIST IF WE DO IT OR NOT.
THEN THEY HAVE THE REQUIREMENTS.
AND IT KIND OF LIKE WOULD WORK BOTH SIDES RIGHT.
OF THE FENCE? NO, IT'S NOT DOUBLE DIP WHEN WE JUST GET DOUBLE CREDIT.
ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WE STOPPED DOING IT AS A PARK DEPARTMENT WAS IT WAS BASICALLY THE PARK DEPARTMENT GOING OUT ON WEEKENDS TO CLEAN UP WITH A COUPLE PEOPLE HERE AND THERE.
BUT WE WEREN'T GETTING THAT HUGE GROUP.
SO I FEEL LIKE WITH THIS KIND OF AFFILIATION, GET MORE OF THAT OUTCRY FOR PEOPLE TO COME OUT.
WE OBVIOUSLY DO THEM, UM, OUTSIDE OF WHEN PER, UM, THE WATERSHED COMES OUT.
UM, WE'LL DO IT KIND OF OUTSIDE OF THAT WHEN MAYBE THE, BEFORE THE LEAVES COME ON THE TREES OR RIGHT AT THE TAIL END WHEN THE LEAVES ARE ALL OFF.
WELL, NOT REALLY, BUT WHEN THE LEAVES ARE ALL ON THE TREES, WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE SOME OF THE LITTER.
THERE'S A LOT OF PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE THAT HALF THE TIME WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THERE'S LITTER THERE UNTIL THE SUMMER HITS AND THEN IT'S RIGHT IN OUR FACE.
SO THERE'S A LOT TO CLEAN UP IN THE SUMMER OR IN THE WINTER WHEN THERE'S NO LEAVES, BUT THERE'S SNOW STICK DOWN.
SO THEN IT'S LIKE, I FIND THINGS, BUT I THINK THAT, AND I THINK THE PARTNERSHIP WITH SPRING FORWARD WOULD BE GREAT.
I MEAN, I KNOW WELL THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN IS GET THE SCHOOLS INVOLVED.
WELL, WE'RE ASSUMING THOUGH, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY'RE OH YEAH.
HE'S NOT A SPRING FORWARD REP OR SOMETHING.
BUT I THINK SHE HAS A LOT OF WH WITH THE I WELL THAT'S, HEY, I'M THE, YOU KNOW, SUPERVISOR OR THE DIRECTOR OF PARK STREET THAT THE SCHOOL WOULD LISTEN, LEAST LISTEN TO YOU TO SAY WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER THIS FEMALE PROGRAM.
YOU THINK THAT THAT'S HAPPENING.
WELL, BUT UM, WELL, I, THEY'VE BEEN, NO, AND I SAY THIS IN ALL HONESTY, WE HAVE BEEN TRYING FOR TWO YEARS.
I, TO GET MORE JUNIOR MEMBERS ON THE PARK BOARD.
WE HAD A YOUNG WOMAN THAT WANTED TO BE ON THE PARK BOARD AND SHE CAME TO ONE MEETING AND THEN NEVER CAME BACK.
SO I KNOW IT'S ALREADY, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT.
UM, BEHIND YOUR BACK, OBVIOUSLY
UM, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WE NEED THAT SOLID STUDENT REPRESENTATIVE THAT CAN GET US IN THE DOOR WITH SPRING FORWARD.
SPRING FORWARD'S KIND OF LOCKED IN.
AND WE'VE HAD A HARD TIME TO TRY TO LIKE PENETRATE THAT TO GET SOME OF THE STUDENTS EVEN COME TO EVENTS, COME PARTICIPATE IN THINGS.
IF WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE A STUDENT THAT IS LEADING IT, AND IT'S NOT ME I KNOW FROM MY SON DOING HONOR SOCIETY, UM, VOLUNTEER HOURS LIKE HE'S DOING FOR YOU TODAY.
EVERY TIME SOMETHING COMES OUT, IT FILLS UP WITHIN A MATTER OF MINUTES.
SO, I MEAN, SOMETHING LIKE THIS MORE OPPORTUNITY.
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IF YOU CAN CONNECT WITH THE HONOR SOCIETY, WHOEVER'S RUNNING THAT, WHOEVER SENDS THAT OUT, I KNOW THAT THEY SEND THAT OUT AND THOSE THINGS FILL UP SO FAST.IS ISN'T THERE A COMMUNITY SERVICE REQUIREMENT FOR HONOR SOCIETY? I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE WHOLE SCHOOL.
FOR I, ALL I KNOW IS FOR HONOR SOCIETY.
DO YOU HAVE ANYBODY AT, AT, AT SPRINGFIELD NOW THAT'S HELPING YOU OR THAT'S INTERESTED IN WHAT YOU'RE DOING? UM, NOT YET.
HAVE YOU APPROACHED ANYBODY, LIKE ONE OF YOUR TEACHERS TO SAY, HEY, WOULD YOU SPONSOR THIS FOR OUR SCHOOL OR NONE OF MY SCHOOL? IS THERE AN ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCES, UH, CLASS OR, YEAH.
HUH? BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME DEAD.
I THINK THAT THAT THERE'S, THERE'S, I KNOW, UM, KEVIN MIDDAUGH WHO RAN FOR SUPERVISOR A COUPLE YEARS AGO, HE'S VERY INVOLVED WITH SCOUTS.
WE COULD REACH OUT TO HIM TO SEE IF, YOU KNOW, UM, THESE WAS SOMEONE ELSE THAT WE KNOW.
UM, SO WE CAN CERTAINLY USE SOME OF THOSE SOURCES.
I DON'T KNOW WHICH TEACHER SENDS THEM OUT, BUT I CAN LET YOU KNOW WHO THAT IS.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT, THEY'RE SO SPECIFICALLY TO THAT GROUP.
THEY, LIKE, THE LAST ONE THAT WENT OUT TODAY WAS FOR A CHRISTMAS PAGEANT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEY'RE LOOKING PROJECT LIKE THEY WANT LIKE GIVE LIBRARY AND THEY'RE OUT, OUT WHEN YOU ORGANIZE SOMETHING TO TAKE OF IT.
WELL, WE'LL DEFINITELY BE IN TOUCH PARK BOARDWISE PROBABLY IN THE NEW YEAR.
WHAT'S OUR VIEW ON THAT? THIS TOWN SHEET? WE'RE WORKING ON THAT.
ENACT A PLASTIC BAG ORDINANCE.
SO WE'RE STARTING WITH PLASTIC BAGS.
AT LEAST WE HOPE TO, WE HAVEN'T MADE IT A GLOBAL SINGLE USE THAT COVERS EVERYTHING YET.
WE'RE TRYING TO START WITH JUST PLASTIC BAG.
IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE I, I USUALLY RUN AROUND THE PARK AND THEY DID A GREAT JOB GETTING SO CLEAN.
I, YOU KNOW, MY LAST LAP WHEN I GO, I ALWAYS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S WINDY, LIKE THE LAST FEW DAYS, THE ONE THING I JUST CONSTANTLY HANGING TREES, THE BAGS, PLASTIC.
PROBABLY COMING AROUND FROM OVER THE ROAD.
THIS IS ALL COMING FULL CIRCLE.
WELL YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT SINCE WE'RE TALKING
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ABOUT WELL, YEAH, LET'S, I MEAN, LET'S JUMP INTO GOALS AND TASK ASSIGNMENTS FOR NEXT YEAR.YOU WANT START US OFF? I'LL START US OFF.
'CAUSE I DID WRITE SOMETHING UP ABOUT THAT BASED ON OUR MEETING LAST MONTH.
I MEAN, I, THIS IS JUST MY THOUGHTS.
I THINK AFTER OUR, UH, RECENT, UH, UH, OPEN LAND POLICY VOTE THAT, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S VERY, UM, CONTROVERSIAL AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T WIN.
OH, THE SABOTAGE, BUT, WELL, WHATEVER REASON IT DIDN'T WIN.
SO I SPENT A LOT OF TIME AT THE POLLS THAT DAY.
UM, TALKING TO PEOPLE THAT WERE COMING IN AND THERE, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT GET MY AREA.
'CAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE, SO THEY, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT AND I THAT ABOUT THE OLD, THE PLASTIC BANK.
MY FEELING AT THIS POINT IS, AND AGAIN, I I HAVE NO SKIN.
IF YOU GUYS WANNA GO MOVE FORWARD, I'M SAYING LET'S TAKE A YEAR OFF OF THAT AND LET'S SPEND THE NEXT YEAR WORKING ON GETTING INFORMATION OUT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY TALK ABOUT, HE TALKED ABOUT JUST NOW HAVING ACCESS TO RESOURCES, MAYBE THE STATE OR SOMEBODY HAS ON PLASTIC.
UM, BEING THAT IT WAS SUCH A CONTR, THE OPEN, I THINK THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER CONTROVERSIAL PLAN THAT WOULD GO FORWARD.
AND I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE THE SUPPORT RIGHT NOW TO DO IT, UH, FROM MY, UH, UNSCIENTIFIC, UH, ASKING PEOPLE AT THE POOLS.
BUT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT OPEN SPACE.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT NO, I WAS TALKING ABOUT PLASTIC.
UM, I JUST SAID, HEY, WHAT'S YOUR FEELING? AFTER WE TALKED ABOUT OPEN SIZE, WHAT DO YOU HAVE YOUR FEELING ON PLASTIC BAGS? I DIDN'T HAVE A REAL WARM RECEPTION.
WELL, WEGMANS IS LIKE OVER A YEAR AGO, STOPPED GIVING OUT PLASTIC BAGS.
IT'S A MATTER OF EDUCATION AND GETTING, GETTING PEOPLE USED TO IT.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE TAKE A YEAR TO DO THAT.
WELL, MOST OF THE PROVIDENCE TOWN, OUR STORES ALL HAVE DONE IT.
AND THEY ALL HAVE SIGNS SAYING THAT MONTGOMERY, UH, COUNTY HAS BANNED BLAST PES BAGS.
MONTGOMERY COUNTY, UH, WAS IT COUNTY? MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP.
SO, UP TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR SIX MONTHS.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE SCARED TO DO IT.
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SO I THINK WE NEED TO JUST GO AHEAD.AND THESE ARE THE TOWNSHIPS THAT ALREADY I STARTED YEARS AGO.
THESE ARE TOWNSHIPS THAT ALREADY HAVE IT.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE DOING ANYTHING NEW.
EVERYONE'S GOING TO BE UPSET BECAUSE YOU'RE CHANGING SOMETHING.
THEY CAN'T GO TO THE STORE WITH YOUR BAG.
THE THING IS, IS MOST OF THE TIME YOU JUST DO IT AND IN TWO MONTHS EVERYONE'S FINE WITH IT.
AND WE'RE NOT DOING IT BECAUSE, AND THIS IS THE ORDINANCE.
I JUST THINK THAT IF YOU GET IT TO THE SUPERVISORS MONTGOMERY TOWN STATE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SUPPORT IT AT THIS POINT.
I JUST DON'T THINK, WELL, I'VE ALREADY SAID THEY'RE NOT GONNA SAY THAT IT'S BANNED.
THEY SAID THAT THEY WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO NO LONGER.
AND I THINK WE HAD TO SPEND A YEAR, AND I DON'T LIKE THE WORD EDUCATING 'CAUSE IT SOUNDS CONDESCENDING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE EDUCATING PEOPLE, BUT WE JUST TALK ABOUT IT AND SHOW THEM WHAT THE BENEFITS AND WHY THE PLASTIC BAGS ARE BAD.
WE HAVE OUR BOOTH, WHICH WE TALK ABOUT ALL THE TIME.
I DON'T KNOW, WE, WE DIDN'T DO MUCH OF THAT THIS YEAR, BUT, AND WE HAVE BROCHURES THAT SAY, HERE'S WHY THEY'RE BAD AND HERE'S WHAT, HOW WE'RE GONNA TRY TO FIX 'EM.
AND UH, AND THEN WE GIVE IT TO THE SUPERVISORS WITH SOME SORT OF PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
AND THEN IT'S JUST TRY TO, 'CAUSE I I, I REALLY DON'T THINK IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A POPULAR THING RIGHT NOW.
IT'S JUST NOT VERY, I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT FROM THESE OTHER TOWNSHIPS HOW THEY WENT ABOUT IT.
WELL, MY OTHER PLAN WHEN I HAD ALL THIS, WAS EMBARRASSING THEM INTO DOING IT.
BECAUSE IF EVERYONE ELSE IS MOVING FORWARD AND ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY MM-HMM
WE'RE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY BY ALLOWING IT TO CONTINUE.
WELL, YOU COULD SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT OPEN SPACE TOO.
AND WE ARE 100% BEHIND THAT TOO.
SO, UM, I JUST THINK THAT, AGAIN, MY FEELING IS THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS CONTROVERSIAL.
AND THAT WE WOULD TAKE A YEAR TO HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
GET SOME OPINION SO THAT WE CAN GIVE THE SUPERVISORS SOME GOOD INFORMATION ABOUT HOW THE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT THIS THING.
AND THEN THEY CAN MAKE THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
YOU SAY, WE AIN'T GONNA BAN IT, BUT WE RECOMMEND IT.
WHATEVER THEY, HOWEVER THEY WANT TO WORD IT.
HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT POLICY STYRO? HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT, UM, THE, UH, WHAT, WHY IS THE, THE STYROFOAM, HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT BANNING STYROFOAM CONTAINERS AS LIKE A FIRST STEP? 'CAUSE WHO WOULD CARE IF WE BANNED STYROFOAM CONTAINERS? THOSE ARE HORRIBLE.
I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALMOST WORSE BECAUSE THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO USE.
WHEREAS A LOT OF PEOPLE DO REUSE THEIR PLASTIC BAGS.
BUT A STYROFOAM, LIKE, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE RESTAURANTS NOT GIVE OUT STYROFOAM AND HAVE TO DO CARDBOARD.
AND SOME OF THEM DO, BUT A LOT OF THEM DON'T.
IT'S PROBABLY, PROBABLY A COST BACK.
CAN I TAKE A MIDDLE GROUND APPROACH? WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR APPROACH? JUDGE, TAKE THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF THE YEAR AND DO AN AUDIT OF WHO'S IN THE TOWNSHIP, WHAT THEY USE.
SO WE KNOW WEGMANS, EVERYBODY POINTS TO WEGMANS.
THEY, THEY GIVE UP PLASTIC BAGS AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME OTHER PLACES HAVE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GONNA AFFECT EXACTLY THE SMALL BUSINESSES.
AND, AND WHAT, WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO AND WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS WITH THEM.
IF WE SAY YOU CAN'T GIVE UP PLASTICS, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE ENFORCEMENT WILL BE LIKE.
I MEAN, AM I DRIVING AROUND AND BUYING SOMETHING IN THE STORE AND THEN DROPPING A VIOLATION ON THEM? I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE INTENT OF THIS.
UM, BUT I THINK IF WE TAKE THE FIRST SIX MONTHS AND WE GO TO AN EVENT OR TWO AND WE EDUCATE, MAYBE WE HAND OUT SOME OF SOME UPPER PROVIDENCE BAGS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAND SOME OF THOSE OUT SO WE CAN SAY, LOOK WHAT WE CANVAS BAGS.
THEY'RE LIKE THE REFRIGERATOR ONE, WHATEVER.
WHY WE WE HAND THOSE OUT AND SAY, LOOK, WE WANT YOU TO STOP USING PLASTICS AND WE'RE LOOKING AT BANNING THEM AND LET'S NOT CALL THE TRUTH.
WE'RE LOOKING AT BANING THEM, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, HERE'S A BAG.
WE'D LIKE YOU TO START USING THIS ONE INSTEAD.
AND AT LEAST BE PROACTIVE ABOUT IT.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE POINT IN SIX MONTHS.
IF WE STILL WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, AFTER GOING TO A COUPLE EVENTS AND TALKING TO PEOPLE,
IT ONLY TAKES 30 DAYS OF REVIEW.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A LONG TIME TO PASS IT, IT'S NOT A HARD ORDINANCE TO, TO GET WRITTEN, TO BE ABLE TO PASS IT.
BUT THEN WE ALSO PRESENT THE BOARD WITH INFORMATION LIKE, OKAY, THERE'S 180 BUSINESSES IN THIS TOWNSHIP.
UM, 170 OF 'EM STILL USE PLASTIC BAGS.
HERE'S THE SIZE OF THE BUSINESSES THAT DON'T JUST GENERALLY OWE MOM AND POP.
AND WE WILL HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME CLASSIFICATION.
BUT THAT'S GONNA TAKE LEGWORK BY ALL OF YOU TO GO OUT AND DO AND TO TAKE IT AGAIN, THE EDUCATION PART AND THE EDUCATION PART TO GO OUT TO DO THE MEETINGS.
I MEAN, IF WE CAN DO THE SAME, WE CAN INCLUDE STYROFOAM IN THIS TOO.
SO, I MEAN THAT IT LOOKS LIKE HAM ONLY.
THIS, THIS ONLY APPLIES TO RE TO RESTAURANT STUFF.
SO USE PLASTIC STRAWS, UTENSILS, AND STYROFOAM.
SO THEY DIDN'T GO AFTER BAGS, THEY JUST WENT AFTER.
AND MAYBE THAT'S THE COMPROMISE IN SIX MONTHS.
I THINK WITH A LOT OF THIS, WE ALL TALK ABOUT WHAT WE WANT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW HOW IT OPERATES ON
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THE GROUND AND WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THE INDIVIDUAL STORES.I HEARD SO MANY PEOPLE TOLD ME THAT IF I GO IN THE WALL IN THE MORNING TO GET SANDWICH OR WHATEVER, OR LUNCHTIME, DON'T TAKE MY BAG AWAY.
AND I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST AGAINST IT.
YOU KNOW, WALL WAS A BIG, A BIG PUSHER, PLASTIC BAGS.
WHEN, YOU KNOW, AND, BUT, BUT THEN ON THE OTHER HAND, PHOENIXVILLE, I THINK IT'S PHOENIXVILLE BOROUGH IS A LITTLE ODD.
AND THEN YOU GO TO THE WINE STORE OVER THERE AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH, WE DON'T GIVE OUT BAGS.
SO THERE YOU'RE WALKING OUT WITH THREE BOTTLES OF WINE.
AND I'M JUST LIKE, I GUESS I'LL BUY THE BAG BECAUSE I'M NOT, I'M DOING IT WHILE I'M AT MY SON'S PRACTICE.
SO I'M NOT GONNA DO THREE BOTTLES OF WINE.
ROLLING AROUND IN THE BACK OF MY CAR WHILE I'M DRIVING BACK HOME.
SO IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S AN INTERESTING, I'M I'M DEFINITELY ON THE FENCE ABOUT IT.
BUT YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT MY WIFE AND I ALSO REUSE ALL THE PLASTIC BAGS FOR TRASH FOR DOG LITTER, FOR ANYTHING ELSE.
YOU KNOW, SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE JUST THROWING THEM AWAY.
NOT SAYING THAT I'M ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY EITHER, BUT
I, YOU UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU USE IT FOR TRASH, I ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND THAT.
BECAUSE THEY, THEY GO TO A LANDFILL AND THEY DON'T OVER GO AWAY.
WELL I THINK THE PLASTICS NOWADAYS ARE, ARE IF THEY'RE IN THE SUN FOR LONG ENOUGH IN A LANDFILL, THEY COULD DISSOLVE MORE.
I THINK THAT'S, THEY'RE NOT IN THE SUN.
AND THEN DISSOLVE IN IT'S ACTUALLY NOT REALLY ABOUT THE LANDFILL THOUGH, THAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT.
IT'S ABOUT THE WAWA SANDWICH PROBABLY BEING LIKE CASE IN POINT.
AND THEY TAKE OUT THEIR SANDWICH.
THEY DON'T NEED ALL THE NAPKINS IN THE BAG AND EVERYTHING.
THEY MAYBE PUT IN A TRASH CAN.
AND THERE'S ALSO MICROPLASTICS, WHICH BY THE WAY ARE IN MY WELL WATER.
IT COULD BE JUST ABOUT THE MANUFACTURING OF LESS PLASTIC PRODUCTS.
WELL, ALL RIGHT, LET'S, I MEAN THAT, THAT IS BACK.
LET'S, WE'RE NOT CHANGING HEARTS AND MINDS OF PEOPLE.
WAWA SINCE JUST NOT THIS, SINCE THIS ORDINANCE HAS BEEN LYING FALLOW FOR THREE YEARS.
I DON'T WANNA PUT IT OFF FOR ANOTHER YEAR.
I THINK WE NEED TO PUSH FORWARD, NOT BE AFRAID ABOUT IT, THEN INFORM PEOPLE, THEN WRITE WHAT YOU WANT ON THE ORDINANCE AND WE'LL PUT IT IN FRONT OF THE SUPERVISOR.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION, NO PLANNING COMMISSION VOTE ON IT.
AND THE BOARD WILL NEED TO VOTE ON IT.
WELL, I DON'T MEAN PUTTING IT IN FRONT OF THE BOARD RIGHT AWAY.
I'M MORE IN LINE WITH YOUR MIDDLE OF THE ROAD THING.
GOT THIS INFO ON THESE DIFFERENT TOWNSHIPS.
I WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION FROM HOW EACH OF THESE TOWNSHIPS DID IT OR HOW THEY'RE DOING NOW.
HOW THEY'RE DOING NOW, WHAT THE RESULTS ARE.
HOW LONG DID IT TAKE THEM TO CONVINCE PEOPLE THAT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA.
HOW THEY CONVINCE PEOPLE AND HOW THEY DID IT.
I WANNA GET MORE INFORMATION ON THE BACK END BEFORE WE PUSH IT THROUGH.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE DO NEED TO GET THE INFORMATION OUT AND DO THE ADVERTISING OR WHATEVER.
WELL, THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT THIS UP.
'CAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE WE WANTED TO DO IT, BUT WE KEPT KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
WELL PART OF IT IS THAT, THAT TO HAVE OUR CONSULTANT DO IT IS AN EXPENSE THAT THE TOWNSHIP'S NOT WILLING TO TAKE ON AT THIS POINT WITH OUR COMMUNICATIONS CONSULTANT.
SO IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE GROUND LEVEL, GROUND DRIVEN BY U FIVE.
I MEAN, SUE AND I CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE SUPPORT INFORMATION, THINGS LIKE THAT.
IF YOU NEED US TO REACH OUT TO SOME OF THE TOWNSHIPS TO SORT OF PARK BOARD OR PARK REC DIRECTOR OR PLANNING DIRECTOR TO PLANNING DIRECTOR AND ASK SOME QUESTIONS.
BUT YOU'LL NEED TO GIVE US WHAT QUESTIONS YOU WANT US TO ASK SO THAT WE'RE NOT JUST FLOUNDERING AND COMING BACK AND SAYING, OH, WELL THEY SAID THIS.
AND YOU GO, WHAT ABOUT THIS? AND WHAT ABOUT THAT? SO, OR WE ALL SIT TOGETHER IN A MEETING, HOWEVER WE DO IT.
UM, DO YOU KNOW, DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S LIKE A, LIKE A SMALL BUSINESS ASSOCIATION THAT WE COULD NOT IN THIS TOWNSHIP TALK TO THERE? THERE'S, UM, THERE'S THE ROTARY CHAMBERS.
UM, I MEAN YOU CAN CERTAINLY REACH OUT TO THEM, I THINK, BECAUSE I WONDER IF YOU MIGHT DO AN APPROACH LIKE A SURVEY, LIKE, HI, WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE PLASTICS ARE USED WITHIN YOUR RESTAURANT AND IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER CHANGING ANY OF THESE, WHAT MIGHT THEY BE? AND YOU COULD ALMOST LIST, YOU KNOW, WE'D BE WILLING TO DO STRAWS.
WE'D BE WILLING TO DO, I DON'T KNOW, BUT JUST GETTING SOME LIKE PUBLIC OPINION.
HOW ABOUT IF WE HOST LIKE A SURVEY THAT ISN'T A BAND THAT'S JUST, WE'RE TRYING TO JUST GAIN IT.
WE'RE GETTING A FARFIELD AGAIN.
LET ME JUST SAY WE'RE GETTING FARFIELD AGAIN.
IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE RESTAURANTS AND DO THAT, THAT'S FINE.
I THINK IF NO, NO, IT WOULD BE, IF WE PUT OUT A SURVEY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IF WE PUT OUT A SURVEY? THANKS.
I'M GONNA SERVE ANOTHER CHINESE MEAL.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO IT BECAUSE IT, OKAY.
IT'S GONNA BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS YOU HAVE TO BE IN THEIR FACE ABOUT.
YOU HAVE GO IN AND SAY, THAT'S SOMETHING WE DO AT THE, AT THE TIME, AT THE EVENTS.
AT EVENTS, AT WHEN YOU BOOTH, WHEN YOU ARE OUT AT A RESTAURANT.
EVEN IF IT'S JUST, OH, I'M GETTING EMBER AND ALE TODAY.
THE RESTAURANT OVER IN THE TOWN CENTER.
IT'S THE FIRST ONE I CAN THINK OF.
I'VE NEVER ACTUALLY EATEN THERE, BUT I'VE NEVER HEARD OF IT.
IT USED TO BE, IT USED TO BE THE PIZZA PLACE.
BUT IN ORDER, IN ORDER FOR US TO TALK, WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A SCRIPT.
HI, I AM FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
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GO TO THE LOT ALL THE TIME.NO, UNFORTUNATELY I TAKE A LOT HOME AND IT DRIVES ME CRAZY.
UM, BUT I'M GONNA ACTUALLY JUST START BRINGING MY OWN CONTAINER.
I AM GOING TO, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
AGAIN, IF YOU WANNA WRITE A SCRIPT THAT WE CAN ALL FOLLOW AND WE CAN SUE AND I CAN FIGURE OUT THE RESTAURANTS AND THE BUSINESSES AND THE TOWNSHIP.
I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT RESOURCES, WE KIND OF HAVE, SHE PROBABLY ALREADY HAVE MOST OF THAT LIST.
AND YOU CAN SAY, WELL, I GO TO THE BLOCK A LOT.
OH, I GO TO EMBER NAIL JUST FOR LACK OF A BETTER PLACE.
YOU KNOW, OH, I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO TRY THIS, THIS RESTAURANT.
LET ME GO THERE AND, AND DO THAT RESEARCH OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS AND FIGURE OUT WHAT IMPACT IT'S GONNA HAVE SO THAT WE CAN GO TO THE BOARD AND WE CAN SAY, LOOK, WE'VE, WE'VE PULLED MM-HMM
NOT SCIENTIFIC, BUT WE'VE PULLED X NUMBER OF RESTAURANTS AND THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH SWITCHING OUT OF THIS AND SWITCHING OUT OF THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, OF THE 25 BUSINESSES WE SPOKE WITH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL OKAY WITH GETTING RID OF PLASTIC BAGS.
10 OF THEM ALREADY HAVE 15 ARE WILLING TO DO IT STILL.
WELL, THAT'S MY POINT OF LIFE.
THE TIMEFRAME ISN'T IMPORTANT.
IT COULD BE A YEAR, IT COULD BE SIX MONTHS.
IT COULD BE, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
THE POINT IS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE OF A PLAN OF HOW WE'RE GONNA ATTACK THIS THING OTHER THAN JUST SAYING, HERE'S SUPERVISORS.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA GET PASSED.
HOW ABOUT IF WE HAD A, A DISCUSSION HERE IN PLATFORM OF THIS ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE WHERE WE INVITE ANYBODY WHO WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THE VAN.
YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW? THEY'RE RUNNING THEIR BUSINESSES WHILE WE'RE SITTING IN HERE.
WELL WE'RE, WE'RE GIVING THEM NOTICE
I, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE MR. NEGATIVITY HERE, BUT LET'S BE PERFECTLY FRANK.
IF THERE'S A BUSINESS OUT THERE THAT'S CURRENTLY OPERATING, THEY'RE NOT GONNA TAKE TIME OUT TO COME TO TALK TO THE TOWNSHIP ABOUT PLASTIC BAGS.
THEY'RE JUST GONNA COME OUT AND SAY, WELL BAN 'EM OR DON'T BAN 'EM.
'CAUSE I'M JUST, I'M TRYING TO MAKE MONEY HERE.
I THINK I, I, I AGREE THAT IT'S IRISH.
I THINK IF, IF WE WANT TO DO THIS AND DO IT RIGHT, AND HAVE SOMETHING, WE CAN GO TO THE SUPERVISOR AND SAY, HERE'S SOME GOOD INFORMATION.
I THINK WE HAVE, AND I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE IT TO THE BUSINESSES.
I WOULD SEND THEM A DRAFT OF OUR PROPOSED ORDINANCE AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE PROPOSING TO PASS THIS BY SUCH AND SUCH A DATE.
LET, LET ME SHOW YOU, LET ME SHOW YOU.
I MEAN, IF THEY'RE NOT, IF THEY'RE NOT THAT INTERNSHIP AND WE'LL DIS PASS, I, I LITERALLY PUT OUT A CONDITIONAL USE ORDER THAT'S THIS BIG.
WHEN A MEETING'S HAPPENING, WHAT HAPPENS? I DIDN'T READ IT.
OH, WE HEAR THAT ALL THE TIME.
YOU KNOW, AND YOU'RE EXPECTING THEM TO READ THIS.
WELL, I MEAN, IF THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT THIS.
IF THEY'RE ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO IT, THEN THEY MIGHT, THEY MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT.
WELL THAT'S WHY, LIKE YOU SAID, ONE-ON-ONE, WE GO OUT, WE ALL GO OUT TO EAT TO THESE LITTLE PLACES ONE-ON-ONE, YOU STOP, YOU ASK, YOU ASK FOR THE MANAGER AND SAY, HEY.
AND, AND NOT, 'CAUSE SOME OF THESE RESTAURANTS I'VE GONE TO GIVE THE CARDBOARD.
AND, AND I, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE, I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO GET IN THEIR, IN THEIR FACES OR WE HAVE TO CONVINCE THEM.
JUST GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE BUSINESSES RUN.
EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT, OH, LET'S DO THIS AND LET'S DO THAT FROM A TOP DOWN.
LOOKING AT IT, LET'S START FROM THE BOTTOM LIKE DEAC SHOULD AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO FOR THESE BUSINESSES.
IS IT, YEAH, WE ARE OKAY WITH BANNING IT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHERE TO BUY ANYTHING ELSE.
HELP ME FIND OUT WHERE I BUY THE CARDBOARD BOXES.
OR MAYBE IT'S A COLLECTIVE TO KNOW HOW MAYBE IT IS.
I MEAN, THERE'S OPTIONS OUT THERE THAT IF WE COULD BUY A MILLION BOXES AND I, I, I DON'T KNOW.
THAT MEANS YOU ALREADY HAVE THE LOCATION.
I MEAN THAT, I DUNNO THE COST DIFFERENCE.
WHAT'S THE COST DIFFERENCE? I DUNNO THE COST DIFFERENCE EITHER.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE DIFFERE THAT WOULD BE A CALL WE COULD MAKE.
AND WE CAN PROBABLY UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD, YOU COULD TAKE TO THE BUSINESS AND SAY, HEY, IF WE PASS THIS, WE JUST WANT YOU TO BE AWARE.
WE REALIZE YOU'RE GIVING THESE BOXES THAT ARE LIKE THIS.
YOU COULD, FOR 3 CENTS CHEAPER, YOU COULD BUY THESE.
CAN WE CONVINCE YOU TO DO THAT? NOT KNOW.
IF IT'S NOT THE CASE, THEN WE HAVE TO FIGURE SOMETHING ELSE, SOME OTHER WAY TO SELL IT TO THE BUSINESSES SO WE CAN HAVE THE BUSINESSES SIGN OFF ON IT SO THAT THE SUPERVISORS, LIKE YOU SAID, ALMOST EMBARRASS THEM INTO IT.
TO WHERE WE CAME WITH THE GOOD INFORMATION AND HERE'S EVERYONE ELSE DOING IT.
AND THERE'S LIKE, LET'S GET ON THE BACK.
IF YOU TAKE, IF YOU PUT THIS IN FRONT OF THEM IN JANUARY, LIKE YEAH, YOU'RE NOT GONNA NO, I ESPECIALLY AFTER THAT, AFTER THE, BUT LIKE I SAID, I BROUGHT THIS UP AND STARTED PUSHING IT.
'CAUSE WE ALL TALK ABOUT IT EVERY MEETING AND THEN WE GO, WELL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT NEXT MONTH.
WELL THEN, ALL RIGHT THEN, THEN.
ALL RIGHT, THEN WE'VE NEVER MOVE FORWARD.
WHO WANTS TO DO WHAT BY JANUARY.
WOULD YOU WRITE A SCRIPT? YEAH.
DO, WOULD YOU, UM, WELL OPEN TOM, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR STEP GONNA BE IN JANUARY THAT WE CAN TALK IN JANUARY ABOUT ON THIS, THIS, ON THIS ISSUE? OR DO YOU WANT TO SAY THAT? I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
WELL, I GUESS WHAT, WHAT ELSE DO WE NEED? WE NEED TO WRITE A SCRIPT.
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TO IDENTIFY SOME BUSINESSES.WELL WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS WRITE A SCRIPT THAT'S ALL GOOD.
OR AT LEAST COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, SOME GENERAL THINGS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SCRIPT, BUT AGAIN, I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA DO STYROFOAM THAT'S FINE, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO EVERY, YOU CAN'T GO OUT THERE AND JUST SAY, WE'RE GONNA GET RID OF EVERYTHING.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT.
I'M JUST SAY, LET'S JUST FOCUS ON ONE THING.
LET'S JUST FOCUS ON THE BAGS RIGHT NOW AND JUST SEE HOW THAT GOES AND SEE IF WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN.
IF WE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE IT WORK.
SO MY SCRIPT WOULD BE, ARE YOU USING PLASTIC BAGS? AND YOU PROBABLY KNOW THAT THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, DO YOU KNOW THERE'S JUST ALTERNATIVES, YOU KNOW, REUSABLE BAGS.
WELL LET'S BUY, ALRIGHT THEN BY JANUARY, SUE AND I'LL COME UP WITH A LIST OF BUSINESSES AND WE WILL, SO WE'LL HAVE A LIST OF THE BUSINESSES IN TOWN SO THAT WE CAN DIVVY THAT UP AND SAY FIND OUT WHAT THEY USE.
SO WE, WE REALLY KNOW, I MEAN WE CAN SAY THEY ARE MOSTLY, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW PIZZA SHOPS, STUFF LIKE THAT.
ALL BOAST A LOT OF USED PLASTIC QUESTION.
THESE FIVE UH, TOWNSHIPS THAT FIVE FOUR, WHATEVER, WHATEVER THAT THAT KEN BROUGHT UP.
YOU SAID PLANNING COMMISSION TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
I JUST SAID THAT, THAT IF YOU WANTED SOME OF THESE QUESTION ANSWERED PART HER POSITION IN MY POSITION TO THAT POSITION, THAT ASSOCIATE POSITION OVER THERE, THAT'S PHONE CALLS.
BECAUSE WE MIGHT GET, IT'S GONNA BE EASIER FOR US TO CONNECT WITH 'EM.
IF I SAY IT'S JEFF GRACE, THE PLANNING DIRECTOR FOR PROVINCE TOWNSHIP.
I'M GONNA GET THAT PHONE CALL BACK.
THAT WAS ONE POINT ABOUT THIS.
BUT YEAH, I YOU GET A BETTER RESPONSE.
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SCHOOL, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT ISSUE.
BUT I THINK WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD A BETTER CHANCE WE LOOKING AT THIS AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE EASIER.
I, I THINK, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD RULE OUT STYROFOAM YET.
I NOT SAYING RULE OUT ANYTHING, BUT LET'S FOCUS, I THINK PEOPLE I KNOW, BUT I WOULD FOCUS, I, MY VOTE WOULD BE, AND WE CAN TAKE A VOTE, BUT MY VOTE WOULD BE THAT WE ALSO INCLUDE ASKING ABOUT STYROFOAM.
BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THEM AND THEY DID RESTAURANTS PLASTIC.
BECAUSE NO ONE HAS ANOTHER USE FOR STYROFOAM.
YOU TAKE IT ALL MY ONLY, I'M I STYROFOAM SUCKS.
BUT MY ONLY QUESTION WOULD BE WHEN YOU START MAKING IT BROADER, YOU'RE GONNA GET MORE OPPOSITION.
I THINK YOU COULD DO PLASTIC BAGS AND STYROFOAM, BUT THAT'S, BUT I THINK STYROFOAM IS MAKING IT NARROW.
I, I THINK IF YOU ADD PLASTIC BAGS IN, IT'S NOT REACH OUT TO THESE OTHER, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT OKAY, SO YOU JUST, WELL DO STYRO.
I'M SAYING I THINK THAT MIGHT EASY AND IF YOU HAVE A HUGE IMPACT BECAUSE MAN, HOW TAKE OUT, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
I'M FINE WITH STYRO, JUST STYROFOAM.
SO I WONDER IF THAT WOULD, AND THAT'S GONNA BE A SMALLER GROUP TOO OF PEOPLE.
I WOULD, IT WOULD JUST BE THE, THAT'S SOMETHING I MAKE SENSE FOR.
IF IT'S JUST LIKE, EH, THINK THIS IS A REALLY GOOD IDEA.
THAT'S, I WONDER IF YOU COULD, I MEAN THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MAKES MORE SENSE FOR ME TO DO.
I'M GONNA GET THAT PHONE CALL BACK.
SMALL BUSINESS AMICABLE GUY, BUT BE LIKE KEN, WHO AND WHY EXACTLY.
SO, AND I AND SAY WHAT DID YOU DO FOR OUTREACH? NO, NO, EXACTLY WHAT RESEARCH MAKES HUNDRED PERCENT.
DID YOU, WERE YOU ABLE TO FIND A PROSPECT ALTERNATIVE? WE'VE GOT 15 MINUTES LEFT.
SO YOU NEED TO KIND OF LOOK AT SOME OF OUR OTHER ONES QUICKLY.
AND THAT'S, UM, MEADOWS AND NATIVE PLANTINGS FROM DC AND R AND TRANSITION FROM MOWING BASES TO, TO, AGAIN THAT'S MEADOWS CREATING MICRO AREA PLANTINGS.
I MEAN IN MY HEAD THEY ALL KIND OF LIKE LUMP TOGETHER.
NOT THAT I WANT TO NECESSARILY DO ALL THREE OF THEM MYSELF, BUT I'M HAPPY TO 'CAUSE THEY LUMP TOGETHER IN MY HEAD.
BUT IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO TAKE WELL YOUR EDUCATION AND INCURSION FOR MEADOWS AND EVEN THE MICRO PLANNINGS ALL FALL UNDER THE BIRD.
I WAS GONNA SAY, WHICH THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT WE DID GET ACCEPTED INTO BIRD TOWN.
SO ON DECEMBER 1ST, UM, THEY'LL COME TO THE BOARD AND ANNOUNCE THE ACCEPTANCE, DO A SLIDE SHOWN AND THAT THEY'LL GIVE US INFORMATION AND UM, EDUCATION LITERATURE TO HOW TO DO THOSE.
I'M ALSO LOOKING INTO SOMETHING CALLED B CITY, WHICH IS OH, OH MY GOD, I JUST KIND ASKED ABOUT THAT.
NO SERIOUSLY, HOW MANY TYPES OF CITY ARE WE GONNA BE? NO.
STYROFOAM AND THE BE TOWN BIRDS.
THE BIRDS AND BE TOWN, THEY ALL DOVETAIL.
IT'S LIKE WHAT WE JUST HAD THE CONVERSATION ABOUT.
IF WE CAN DOUBLE OR AT THIS POINT TRIPLE DIP WITH SOMETHING, THEN GREAT.
ALRIGHT, SO NEXT MONTH CAN YOU BRING US ANY YOU KIND ABOUT DETAIL? I'LL BE, I'M SORRY I SO MANY THINGS.
THIS IS LIKE AN RE AT THIS POINT.
YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD ABOUT NOMO MAY VOLUNTEERS NEGATIVE THING.
SO I, THAT'S WHY I ENDED UP WITH B CITY.
BUT I'LL LOOK INTO THAT SOME MORE.
SO I WILL PASS YOU BRING THE B IN FAVOR.
CAN YOU BRING THIS STUFF? VERY IMPORTANT.
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THE NEXT MEETING? THE EDUCATION.I SHOULD BE ABLE TO BECAUSE, UH, BUT SHE SAID COUNCIL HAS TO ALL LIKE BIRD TOWN COMMITTEE, THE KPA, BEAUTIFUL OBESITY.
IT HAS TO BE THIS AND THEY HAVE TO ALL WORK WITH THAT SAME THING.
BUT TO YOUR POINT, BUT THE, BUT THEY'RE NOT MOWING RIGHT BACK HELP WITH THE BEES.
THERE'S A LOT OF, AND WE DO HAVE, BECAUSE OF THE PROPER, WE'VE NOW OVER, SO THEY WOULD KNOW ABOUT, I DO THINK LIKE THAT WAS PART OF OUR BURN TOWN INITIATIVE.
LIKE WE CAN TURN THOSE PROPERTIES INTO, WE'RE HAVING LIKE THREE CONVERSATIONS.
MY POOR PERSON'S GONNA HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME PUTTING INTO MINUTES LOST TRACK.
BUT I, THEY ALL SHE HAS TO SAY IS OBESITY CONVERSATION.
ARE WE MEETING IN A MONTH? WE ARE MEETING IN JANUARY.
WE WILL MEET AGAIN IN JANUARY.
SHOULD WE MAKE IT MONTH? THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT WE WOULD NEED TO TAKE TO THE BOARD.
IF, IF THAT'S, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE, IF YOU WANNA TAKE A VOTE TO MEET EVERY MONTH, SEEMS LIKE IF WE HAVE MORE TO TALK ABOUT IN JUST AN HOUR OF STUFF AND I DON'T MIND ME, I'D LIKE YOU GUYS
WELL WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DOING MORE.
SHE SAID YOU GUYS LOOKED THAT DIRECTION DIDN'T
LOOK, IF, IF WE WANNA HAVE THAT CONVERSATION IN JANUARY AND I THINK WE WOULD, I HAVE TO LOOK INTO OUR ORDINANCE THAT, THAT LET US HAPPEN.
WE MAY HAVE TO AMEND THAT SO WE CAN AIM FOR IT NEXT YEAR BUT WE'LL, WE'LL IF THAT'S, THINK ABOUT IT.
IF YOU GUYS WANNA MEET EVERY MONTH, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON.
I REACH OUT, REACH OUT TO SOME OF THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.
I'LL, I'LL COME UP WITH, DO A SCRIPT.
SO WE'RE REACHING OUT TO THEM BEFORE JANUARY CITY? NO.
AND THEN REACHING OUT TO THAT.
YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO, SINCE THEY DID ALL RESTAURANT WORK STUFF, INTERESTED IN WHY THEY CHOSE TO DO THAT.
MAYBE THEY MADE THE MADE, MAYBE THEY WENT THROUGH THE SAME QUESTION WE DID.
ARE YOU REACHING OUT TO THEM FOR JANUARY? LIKE YOU SAID, WE CAN USE THEIR RESEARCH TOO.
I MEAN WHY REINVENT THE WHEEL WHEN SOMEBODY IS YOU'RE TOTALLY RIGHT.
IS THAT IT? MOTION AJOUR YOU TO I KNOW THAT I DID, BUT I MEAN I DIDN'T KNOW WE'VE DONE, I MAKE A MOTION.
I'M STILL THINKING ABOUT THESE MEETING.