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JEFF, RIGHT? YEP. 
          [CALL TO ORDER / MOTION TO APPROVE NOVEMBER 5, 2025 AGENDA]
GOOD EVENING. 
          WE'RE GONNA START, UH, THE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UM, HERE ON NOVEMBER THE FIFTH. 
          AND WE'LL START THAT WITH A CALL TO ORDER AND A LOOK AT THE, UH, AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING, WHICH EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE A COPY OR NOT. 
          IT'S IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          THERE'S REALLY ONLY A COUPLE THINGS ON THE AGENDA, ONE THING ON THE AGENDA AS FAR AS THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT. 
          AND, UH, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, MOTION, WE ACCEPT THAT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          BOB'S MADE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT. 
          DO HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT, JOE. 
          SECOND IT. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, FROM THAT, UH, WE'LL MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS. SO THERE'S ONE THING ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, BUT IF ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE A COMMENT ON ANYTHING ELSE, UH, PLEASE STEP UP AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF. 
          UH, NOT SEEING OR HEARING. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. 
          SO 
          [GENERAL DISCUSSION ITEMS]
THE NEXT THING IS TO, UH, LOOK AT THE MEETING MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS HELD. 
          UH, YOU REMEMBER WE, UH, WE CANCELED THE MIDDLE MEETING IN OCTOBER, SO THIS IS FROM OCTOBER ONE, WHICH I THINK WAS HASSEN ROAD. 
          UM, AND, UH, CAR WASH. 
          THE CAR WASH AND YEAH, IT KIND OF RAN LATE THAT NIGHT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. 
          BUT ANYHOW, SO ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE? NEED MINUTES FROM OCTOBER ONE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          ONE SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          WE GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          JERRY, SECOND IT. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? ALRIGHT, A AYE, I'LL ABSTAIN SINCE I WASN'T HERE. 
          YOU WEREN'T HERE. 
          SO HE'S ABSTAINED. 
          SO, UH, 4 0 1. 
          OKAY, WITH THAT, 
          [APPLICATIONS TO BE HEARD ON NOVEMBER 5, 2025]
WE'LL GO ON TO THE APPLICANT TO BE HEARD OF THIS EVENING, WHICH IS HTC ASSOCIATES. 
          AND, UH, IF YOU, UH, WHO'S HERE REPRESENTING THOSE FIVE FOLKS? THANKS FOR THE NICE BOOKLET. 
          WHOEVER DID THAT, THAT WAS MY CLIENT'S REPRESENTATIVE. 
          THAT'S A LOT OF STUFF THERE FOR US. 
          HOWDY POINT. 
          IT IS, IT'S GOOD STUFF. 
          WE DON'T READ THAT FAST. 
          MY NAME'S MIKE CLEMENT. 
          I'M AN ATTORNEY FROM NORRISTOWN WITH WHISTLER, PEARL STEIN. 
          AND HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANTS, UH, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE I WOULD ON WILL PUT ON THESE RIDICULOUS GLASSES BECAUSE I JUST HAD A LITTLE CATARACT SURGERY AND SOMETIMES THE GLARE GETS ME AND I NEED TO DO THESE FEEL FREE. 
          SO IT LOOK LIKE A DUFU HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I'M HERE TONIGHT REALLY ON BEHALF OF, UH, THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS HTC. 
          THEIR REPRESENTATIVES ARE MR. LOU GAMBONE AND MS. LOGAN SCOTT. 
          ALSO WITH ME TONIGHT IS OUR ENGINEER, UH, TIM WOODROW AND OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE MIGHT HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. 
          AND, AND ANDREWS HEIDRICH HEINRICH IS HERE. 
          UH, THEY'VE BOTH TESTIFIED BEFORE BOARDS AND YOU MANY TIMES, I BELIEVE. 
          UM, OUR MAIN FOCUS TONIGHT WILL BE ON THE CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION. 
          UH, WHILE WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT WE ALSO SUBMITTED A TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN FOR YOU TO LOOK AT, UH, SO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A FEEL FOR WHAT THE PLAN WILL LOOK LIKE IF YOU RECOMMEND, AND IF THE SUPERVISORS APPROVE. 
          UH, OUR CONDITION OF USE APPLICATION, WHAT WE PROPOSE IS, UH, AN AGRI USE FOR THE SITE. 
          THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME YOU'VE HEARD THIS OR SEEN THIS. 
          YOU'VE SEEN A LITTLE BIT OF THIS BEFORE. 
          UM, THE SITE, UH, HAS SHOWN, I THINK JEFF HAS PUT THIS UP SO THAT WE CAN SEE IT'S ON THE CORNER OF, UH, OLD STATE ROAD MENNONITE ROAD. 
          AND THE PLAN IS TO TAKE A, A BEAUTIFUL FARM THAT'S STILL REDUCED IN SIZE, BUT IT'S STILL A BEAUTIFUL FARM THAT HAS A, UH, A BARN WITH YOU. 
          AH, THANKS SIR. 
          UH, IT HAS A BOY, I COULD BE DANGEROUS WITH THIS. 
          IT HAS A, UH, A LOVELY BARN ON IT THAT CAN BE RENOVATED, AS YOU WILL SEE IN YOUR PACKET. 
          OLD HOUSE OUTBUILDINGS, UM, ALL OF WHICH, UH, WILL BE RENOVATED IF YOU, IF, IF THE, THE CONDITIONAL USE IS, UH, APPROVED IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR EVENTS. 
          UM, LET ME JUST TAKE A SECOND AND, UH, GRAB ONE OF THESE WITH THESE PAMPHLETS IN THE PAMPHLET. 
          IN, IN THE 
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FIRST SECTION IS, IS THE DEED BECAUSE THAT'S REQUIRED. 
          AND WE'LL HAVE THAT FOR YOU. 
          AND THE SUPERVISORS, UH, TIM WOODROW, UH, CURRICULUM IS HERE. 
          ANDY'S CURRICULUM IS HERE. 
          AND UNDER TAB FOUR IS THE, UH, EXISTING FEATURE PLAN, WHAT YOU SEE ON THE BOARD OR ON THE SCREEN. 
          ACTUALLY, WELL, BEFORE WE GET THERE, TAB FIVE IS, IS WHAT IS ON THE SITE NOW FROM AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH. 
          OKAY. 
          IF I'M GOING TOO FAST, I, I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS SO MANY TIMES, SO PLEASE FORGIVE ME AND STOP ME. 
          SO WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT IS, UH, UNDER TAB SIX, AND IT SHOWS WHAT IS PROPOSED FOR PARKING BUILDINGS. 
          UM, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT HERE TONIGHT FOR THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION, WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU FOR THAT OF COURSE. 
          BUT THERE IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION APPLICATION IN FOR PICKLEBALL COURTS, BUT THAT IS NOT WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT. 
          WE'RE HERE TONIGHT SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSE OF PRESENTING THE, UH, TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN, AS WELL AS THE CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION. 
          UNDER TAB SEVEN IS A, UH, COLOR RENDERING OF WHAT WE BELIEVE WILL BE EVENTUALLY THE AERIAL. 
          AND IT SHOWS, UM, THE BARN, WHICH WILL HAVE BEEN RENOVATED, UH, PARKING AREAS. 
          UH, IT SHOWS THE OUTBUILDINGS AND IT ALSO SHOWS THE HOUSE, WHICH WILL HAVE BEEN BEEN RENOVATED, AND THE POND, WHICH IS ON SITE, BUT WILL BE OF COURSE CLEANED UP AND, UH, AND RENOVATED AS WELL. 
          UNDER THAT TAB IS A, UH, A PICTURE OF WHAT THE BARN WILL LOOK LIKE UNDER THAT TAB IS A PICTURE OF WHAT THE INTERIOR OF BARN WILL LOOK LIKE. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, UM, IS RI SHOULD SAY A, UM, A RENDERING OF THE PARKING LOT. 
          YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S, THERE'S A WHOLE AREA OF FLOWERS AND SO FORTH AND PLANTINGS. 
          PART OF THE SITE WILL BE USED FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES, WHICH MOST LIKELY WILL BE FOR GROWING FLOWERS AND, AND HAVING PEOPLE COME AND CUT THEM AND, UH, AND TAKE THEM. 
          SO THAT'S, OR ALSO, UH, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF GROWING GRAPES. 
          UM, JEFFERSON TOLD US THAT GRAPES CAN BE GROWN ANYWHERE, AND IT'S, UH, PROVING TO BE THE CASE IN THIS, IN THE DELAWARE VALLEY BECAUSE, UH, MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE PLANTING VINEYARDS HERE. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, THE LAST PICTURE WILL SHOW A REALLY NEAT RENOVATION FOR THE OLD HOUSE THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY. 
          AND IF THERE IS A, UM, AN EVENT, IT, IT IS EXPECTED THAT PEOPLE, FOR EXAMPLE, FROM A WEDDING WILL HAVE THEIR BRIAR PARTY STAY THERE. 
          IF IT IS AN EVENT FOR OUT OF TOWNERS TO COME IN AND CELEBRATE A, UM, A GRADUATION, UH, AGAIN, THAT'LL BE THE USE OF THAT BUILDING. 
          UM, I WON'T GO THROUGH THE, THE TAB THAT'S UNDER NUMBER EIGHT AT THIS POINT. 
          ONLY IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF OUR ENGINEERS. 
          SO WE LOOK AT, AT WHAT WE'VE, WE'VE SUGGESTED, WE'LL THEN TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS REQUIRED IN THE CONDITIONAL USE ORDINANCE. 
          AND WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS MAKE FOR YOU, UM, I HOPE YOU'LL ACCEPT A, A, UH, AN OFFER OF EVIDENCE, BUT ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE OF THE WITNESSES WILL PRESENT THEM. 
          SO, UNDER THE ORDINANCE, WE NEED TO HAVE ONE OWNER. 
          WE DO HAVE THAT. 
          HTC OWNS THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. 
          WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE ACRES THAN 10. 
          AND, UH, WE HAVE 15 50% OF THE AREA HAS TO BE IN DEVELOPABLE LAND. 
          AND IT IS, UM, THERE'S ALMOST NOTHING THAT'S UNDEVELOPABLE. 
          IT'S A BEAUTIFUL FLAT PIECE OF LAND. 
          UH, THE POND, OF COURSE IS NOT. 
          UM, THERE HAVE TO BE EXISTING AGRICULTURAL BUILDINGS. 
          WELL, THERE ARE, THERE'S A BEAUTIFUL BARN AS WE'VE SHOWN YOU, AND SOME OUTBUILDINGS YOU HAVE TO HAVE. 
          UM, IN, IN THE ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY, UH, WE CONSULTED WITH STAFF EXTENSIVELY, AND YOU CAN HAVE MORE THAN ONE USE IN THE, UH, CONDITIONAL USE AG OR RESIDENTIAL, AGRICULTURAL, UH, ZONE. 
          UM, THERE HAS TO BE AN ACTIVE AGRICULTURAL USE ON THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, AND I INDICATED THERE, THERE'S PLENTY OF SPACE WHERE THERE'LL EITHER BE, UH, FLOWERS, VEGETABLES, CUT YOUR OWN PAY FOR THEM, OR ANIMALS OR VINEYARD, UH, MAYBE 
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ALL THREE OR FOUR. 
          UM, THERE HAS TO BE SCREENING AND A MEANS TO PREVENT ADVERSE INFLUENCE. 
          UH, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT AT DETAIL, UM, BOTH WHEN WE MADE THE APPLICATION TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE. 
          AND WE'VE LISTENED TO THE CONSULTANTS. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE PLAN THAT THERE WILL BE SIGNIFICANT SCREENING. 
          UM, WASTE HAS TO BE KEPT IN CONTAINERS MORE THAN A HUNDRED FEET FROM THE, UH, FROM THE ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WILL BE AGREED UPON. 
          AND THERE HAS TO BE SAND SOUND ABATEMENT. 
          THERE WILL BE SOUND ABATEMENT. 
          UM, IF, WHEN WE GET TO THE, THE HEARING AND WILL BE BEFORE YOU AGAIN, WITH RESPECT TO, UH, A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR, UM, PICKLEBALL COURTS. 
          THERE WILL BE SCRA SOUND SCREENING SOUND EXPERT HAS MADE A, A CONSULTANT HAS MADE A REPORT AS TO HOW EFFECTIVE IT IS. 
          THERE'LL ALSO BE, AGAIN, MANY PLANNINGS, HOURS OF OPERATION WILL BE WITHIN THE ORDINANCE. 
          UM, NOTICE WILL BE GIVEN FROM THE APPLICANT AS REQUIRED, REQUIRED IN THE ORDINANCE. 
          AND, UH, THE PERMITTED USES WILL BE, UH, AS IT SAYS IN THE ORDINANCE, PRIVATE PARTIES AND EVENTS. 
          THESE WILL NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. 
          UM, THERE'LL BE AGRICULTURAL THEMED PLAY AREA, UH, NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, THE FLOWERS, THE VEGETABLES, AND HOPEFULLY SOME ANIMALS. 
          UM, AND THERE WILL BE VEGETABLE AND FLOWER PICKING. 
          HOW ABOUT LIKE, EXCUSE ME, LIGHTING. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, UH, TIM WOODROW WILL TESTIFY THAT WE HAVE CONSULTED, UH, WITH LIGHTING EXPERTS AND WE WILL COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE. 
          THE, UM, OUTSIDE LIGHTING WILL NOT LEAVE THE PROPERTY AS REQUIRED BY YOUR ORDINANCE, BUT WE HAVE TAKEN THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          I THINK MR. WRIGHT, YOU MENTIONED THAT ONE TIME BEFORE WE WERE HERE AND WE TOOK IT SERIOUSLY AND WE HAVE A CONSULTANT, UM, IF THERE'S ANY SUBSTANTIAL MATERIAL CHANGE IN WHAT WE INTEND TO USE THE PROPERTY FOR, WE KNOW WE WILL HAVE TO COME BACK FOR ANOTHER, UM, HEARING. 
          SO RATHER THAN HAVE ALL OF THAT TESTIMONY COME OUT, UH, IN A PERHAPS LESS EFFECTIVE WAY, I'M JUST GONNA ASK MY, MY CLIENT, UH, MR. GAMBONE, IF I'VE STATED CORRECTLY, WHAT YOU WILL ADHERE TO. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO I THINK THE BEST THING THERE IS AN ENGINEER'S LETTER THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE TOWNSHIP. 
          UM, IF YOU WISH, WE WILL CERTAINLY GO THROUGH THOSE POINTS IN THE LETTER THAT ARE, UH, THAT ARE PERHAPS NEED EXPLANATION. 
          IT IS FROM GILMORE ASSOCIATES DATED AUGUST 27TH, 2025. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT IF THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET, JEFF. 
          UM, IF IT IS, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THOSE, THOSE MATTERS, WHAT WE HAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN, UM, I THINK PERHAPS THE BEST THING TO DO NOW IS TO HAVE OUR ENGINEER TESTIFY ABOUT WHAT THIS, ABOUT HOW IT WILL, UH, HOW, HOW THE TRAFFIC AND PARKING WILL BE SET UP, HOW THE ACCESS POINTS WILL BE SET UP AND WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH RESPECT TO, UH, PROPOSALS FOR INTERNAL CIRCULATION AND BUFFERING AND SCREENING. 
          UM, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE LETTER FIRST BEFORE WE DO THAT? AND THEN YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS OF OUR ENGINEER. 
          WELL, IN THE LETTERS, WAS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU ARE NOT, THAT WON'T ADHERE TO OR WANT TO QUESTION? THERE'S SOME EXPLANATIONS I THINK THAT HAVE TO BE MADE. 
          AND IF I CAN DO THAT, UM, UNDER ZONING, ONE OF THE COMMENTS IS IN THE FIRST SECTION, UNDER ZONING NUMBER ONE, UH, NO MORE THAN ONE PRINCIPLE USE UNDER THE UNDERLYING ORDINANCE, BUT WITHIN THE CONDITIONAL USE ORDINANCE THAT WE ARE ASKING YOU TO GRANT, UH, UNDER THAT IS THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR THIS PURPOSE. 
          IT SPECIFICALLY SETS FORTH THAT MORE THAN ONE PRINCIPLE USE WILL BE PERMITTED. 
          UH, IT WAS WRITTEN INTO THAT ORDINANCE BECAUSE WE KNEW WE WOULD HAVE, UH, WE WOULD ASK YOU FOR THE ABILITY TO USE THE RESIDENCE THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS REALLY NOT, IT'S SUBSERVIENT TO THE OVERALL USE. 
          AND WE WOULD ASK YOU AT A LATER DATE ABOUT THE PICKLEBALL COURTS. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT. 
          UM, JUST, JUST, I'M SORRY, GO ON. 
          SORRY. 
          I I, I I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, 
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IS THIS GONNA BE A RESIDENTIAL SPACE THAT, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY COULD RENT OVER THE EVENING? OR IS IT GONNA BE RESTRICTED TO BRIDES AND ROOMS AND WEDDING PARTIES? LIKE WHAT IS THE THAT'S EXACTLY MY QUESTION. 
          YEAH, I DON'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE YOU SAID IT WASN'T OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. 
          WHO'S GONNA BE USING THESE COURTS? THE, THE, THE, UH, THE HOUSE, UH, THE RESIDENCES OR THE HOUSE, BUT YES, ANY OF THESE, OKAY. 
          THESE ARE ALL, THE ENTERTAINMENT IS STRICTLY FOR PRIVATE ENTERTAINMENT. 
          IT WON'T BE WHERE YOU CAN COME OUT AND, YOU KNOW, JUST RENT, UH, A ROOM FOR THE NIGHT. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT'S INTENDED WHEN WE COME IN FOR THE COURTS, WHICH IS AT ANOTHER TIME. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT WILL BE A, UH, A PRIVATE CLUB AS WELL. 
          UH, THERE'LL BE MEMBERSHIPS. 
          THAT'S WHAT'S PERMITTED UNDER YOUR ORDINANCE. 
          UM, I AM SURE, UH, ZACH, THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE GONNA BRING FRIENDS. 
          THAT'S THE WAY THESE THINGS WORK. 
          TENNIS CLUBS, RACKING CLUBS AND EVERYTHING. 
          THE QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU MONITOR AND, AND PREVENT SOMEBODY FROM JUST COMING AND USING THE PICKLEBALL COURT? I MEAN, THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          WELL, AND WE WILL ADDRESS THAT. 
          I, I GONNA SAY, I, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GET INTO THE PICKLEBALL ASPECT OF THIS AT ALL. 
          AS YOU SAID, WE'RE NOT HERE FOR THAT APPLICATION TONIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT WE WANT TO INVITE, WE DON'T WANNA MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT REALLY ABOUT PICKLEBALL, JUST 'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY NOT IN FRONT OF US. 
          AND THAT IS ANOTHER TIME AND PLACE FOR THAT. 
          BUT MY QUESTION WAS RELATED TO THE REUSE OF THE, THE FARMHOUSE BUILDING. 
          IS THAT GOING TO BE RESTRICTED TO WEDDING PARTIES GETTING READY FOR THE WEDDINGS, GETTING, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU GUYS OPEN TO THAT KIND OF CONDITION BEING PLACED ON THE USE OF THAT BUILDING? YEAH, IT, IT IS GOING TO BE USED YES. 
          FOR PRIVATE PARTIES, NOT YOU, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE AREN'T, EXCUSE ME, LET ME LET, LEMME BELIEVE ME. 
          INTERRUPT YOU ONE SECOND. 
          JUST HANG ONE SECOND. 
          SO THE REVERSE CLUB PERTAINS TO THE PICKLEBALL PUBLIC USE. 
          LET'S SAY A YOUNG TECH COMPANY WANTS TO COME RIGHT OUT. 
          HEY, MIKE, THIS, THIS ISN'T A FORMAL HEARING, SO IF, YEAH, SO I, I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY IS THAT IT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GO IN AND RENT A ROOM? NO, NO. 
          UM, THIS IS MY, I GUESS, I GUESS THE, I THINK THE CRUX OF THE QUESTION IS, IS THIS GONNA BE UP ON AIRBNB? YES. 
          YES, IT IS GONNA BE ON AIRBNB. 
          YES. 
          IT WILL BE, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I THAT, FROM MY STANDPOINT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY REGULATIONS ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT'S, I THINK, A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT USE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IS THE AIRBNB FOR JUST A ROUTE OR TO RENT THE WHOLE CONFERENCE OR LIKE FOR A WEDDING OR CORPORATE EVENTS? NO. 
          ROOMS. NO. 
          THE ENTIRE, THE ENTIRE RESIDENTIAL HOUSE YOU HAVE TO RENT THE WHOLE THING OR THE BARN. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO THE VISION, THE VISION IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE WEDDING PARTIES WOULD RENT IT POTENTIALLY ON THE WEEKEND. 
          BUT LET'S SAY THAT A YOUNGER TECH COMPANY WANTS TO COME AND RENT IT OUT FOR AN OVERNIGHT, A MONDAY, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, THEY CAN OKAY. 
           STYLE. 
          AND IF THEY DO THAT, THEY CAN ALSO RENT OUT THE BARN FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR PURPOSES IF THEY WANT. 
          CORRECT. 
          TO HAVE A SEMINAR. 
          AND HOW, HOW MANY ROOMS ARE IN THE, THE FARMHOUSE CURRENTLY? SEVEN. 
          AND HOW SO THAT WOULD BE SEVEN BEDROOMS? THAT'S JUST SEVEN, LIKE DINING KITCHEN SEVEN. 
          SO SEVEN BEDROOMS RIGHT NOW. 
          SEVEN BEDROOMS. YEP. 
          AND WE HAVE RENDERED IT WITH A LITTLE ADDITION. 
          AND THE ADDITION WOULD PROBABLY JUST BE ADDITIONAL AMENITIES, LIKE A FITNESS CENTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO ACCOMMODATE OUR, OUR CLUB, BUT ALSO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE STAYING IN THE HOUSE. 
          SO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE STAYING IN THE HOUSE, THESE SEVEN ROOMS, THEY'LL ALSO SERVE THE FOOD YOU CAN. 
          SO I'M GONNA OFFER LIKE A PACKAGE WITH A PRIVATE CHEF. 
          SO LET'S SAY THEY CAN HAVE A PRIVATE CHEF COME IN AND CATER A DINNER FOR THEM, OR I, I'LL HAVE DIFFERENT WAYS TO, TO PROVIDE FOOD FOR THEM FROM OUTSIDE BUSINESSES. 
          OH, BUT YOU'RE IMPLYING THAT THEY'RE ALL ALL FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS. 
          CAN WE HAVE SEVEN INDEPENDENT RESIDENTS? NO. 
          ONE, ONE PARTY COMING IN TOGETHER. 
          SO, SO THEY HAVE TO RENT THE ENTIRE FACILITY. 
          CORRECT. 
          IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT GOING ON IN THE BARN TOO, OR SOME KIND OF MEETING. 
          YES. 
          CELEBRATION. 
          THAT'S THE VISION IS THAT THEY WOULD USE ALL OF THE SPACES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH ALL THIS AGAIN BEFORE THE BOARD. 
          SO THIS IS JUST KIND OF PRELIMINARY. 
          SUPER. 
          OKAY. 
          ONE LAST THING, AIRBNB. 
          SO JEFF, YOU SAID WE DON'T HAVE A ORDINANCE THAT DEALS WITH THAT, SO THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, IF IT WERE UPPER AIRBNB, THERE'S NO RESTRICTION FROM SAY, RENTING IT FOR A WEEKEND VERSUS RENTING IT FOR A SUMMER? NO, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE ANY RENTAL REQUIREMENTS OR RESTRICTIONS OR REGULATIONS IN THIS TOWNSHIP FOR ANY, ANY, WHETHER IT'S APARTMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE AN AIRBNB. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          SO TO, UM, GET BACK TO THE, UH, 
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THE LETTER FROM, UH, FROM GILMORE ON PAGE TWO, UNDER ZONING ITEM THREE, UM, THERE'S A, UH, A LIMITATION ON STRUCTURES. 
          UM, AGAIN, I THINK THAT, I'M NOT SURE IF GILMORE WAS, UH, FOCUSING ON THE NEW ORDINANCE OR NOT, BUT THAT, THAT, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE. 
          UM, THERE'S A ONE COMMENT IN HERE, NUMBER SEVEN ON PAGE THREE. 
          WELL, WELL, LET'S GO BACK TO ITEM THREE. 
          I MEAN, ARE, IS THERE SOME, I'M NOT SURE WHY THAT'S AN ISSUE OR HOW YOU ADDRESSING THE, UH, PUBLIC EASEMENTS? YOU MEAN ITEM THREE, SECTION 300 DASH DASH 28? YES. 
          UM, YEAH, THE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ISSUE IS AND HOW YOU'RE ADDRESSING IT. 
          THAT'S WE'RE WE AGREE THERE, THERE, UM, WE'RE NOT, UH, IN ANY WAY OBJECTING TO WHAT'S SET FORTH. 
          UH, AND WE DON'T THINK THERE'S AN ISSUE THERE. 
          THERE ARE EASEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY, UM, THAT POND HANDLES ALL KINDS OF WATER FROM UPSTREAM. 
          AND THERE'S AN EASEMENT WHERE THAT WATER FROM THE UPSTREAM PROPERTIES COMES ONTO THE PROPERTY AND SITS IN THAT POND, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          UM, THERE'S A, UH, A SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT THAT SERVES NOT ONLY THIS PROPERTY, BUT OTHER PROPERTIES. 
          WE AGREE WITH THAT. 
          UM, ALL THEY'RE SAYING IS WE BETTER LOCATE THEM AND SHOW THE ENGINEER WHERE THEY ARE, AND WE AGREE TO DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I AGREE WITH YOU, JEN. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WITH RESPECT TO NUMBER SIX, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, UH, NUMBER SEVEN, I THINK THERE WAS A TYPO IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT THE ORDINANCE IS, THAT IS THE NEW ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE IS ENTITLED R ONE DASH AGRICULTURE. 
          IF, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE SUBMITTED FOR, THAT'S WHAT MY, UH, MY COPY INDICATES. 
          AND IF I'M WRONG ABOUT THAT, THEN IT'S SIMPLY A TYPO BECAUSE IT'S CLEAR THAT WHEN WE MADE THE PRESENTATION BOTH TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD, THAT'S WHAT WE ASKED FOR. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS WAS JUST A STATEMENT THAT SAYS, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DO THIS WITH A CONDITIONAL USE. 
          YES. 
          YEP. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, THE NEXT QUESTION THAT ACTUALLY, UM, WE WILL ADDRESS THE, THE REST OF THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS THROUGH TIM, BUT WE AGREE WITH MOST OF THEM, UH, EXCEPT FOR THE ONES THAT WE JUST HAD THE, THE EXPLANATIONS ABOUT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL LET, LET, LET THEN WE'LL TAKE THIS TIME TO ASK JEN TO MAKE COMMENT ON ALL THAT. 
          AND BRIAN, YEAH, WHAT WE DID IN THIS LETTER WAS KNOWING THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC AND DIFFERENT BOARDS MULTIPLE TIMES, EXCUSE ME. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          WE FELT IT WAS BEST TO IDENTIFY ALL OF THE POTENTIAL PITFALLS MOVING FORWARD. 
          YEP. 
          A LOT OF THESE ARE NOT REQUIRED AT TENTATIVE SKETCH. 
          WE JUST WANT THEM TO BE AWARE YOU, TO BE AWARE SO THAT EVERYTHING IS HANDLED MOVING FORWARD AND NOTHING GETS LOST WITH ONE APPROVAL HERE, BUT NOT OVER HERE A SECOND APPROVAL HERE. 
          BUT LET'S BACKTRACK HERE. 
          UM, I KNOW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE, THEY'RE GETTING TO THIS, BUT, UM, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE, THE MULTIPLE USES AT ONE TIME WITH THE SHARED PARKING AND THE OVERLAP OF PARKING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          YES. 
          SO I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE PART OF THEIR PRESENTATION. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, THE MAJORITY OF THE ITEMS IN HERE ARE EITHER STATEMENTS OR THINGS THAT THEY WILL GET TO. 
          WE JUST WANT IT TO BE ALL UNDER ONE UMBRELLA OF A PROJECT, EVEN THOUGH THERE'LL BE A CONDITIONAL USE. 
          THERE WAS A ZONING CHANGE, NOW THERE'LL BE A CONDITIONAL USE, THEN THERE'LL BE PICKLEBALL MEETINGS. 
          WE JUST DIDN'T WANT ANYTHING TO GET LOST. 
          BUT AT THIS STAGE WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, THERE'S, YOU'RE KIND OF, YOU'RE TOGETHER. 
          YEP. 
          GOOD. 
          I LIKE THAT. 
          SO WE, UM, WE WILL PRESENT, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT HERE FOR THE PICKLEBALL HEARING, UH, ZACH, WE WILL PRESENT, UM, OUR TRAFFIC EXPERT TO INDICATE THAT WE HAVE TAKEN THAT INTO ACCOUNT WITH RESPECT TO PARKING AND FLOW. 
          YEAH, THAT, THAT'S FINE. 
          I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO OPEN UP PANDORA'S BOX TO NO, WE DON'T WANT TO, COMMENTS AND EVERYTHING ABOUT PICKLEBALL. 
          JUST, I WANT TO BE CLEAR TO EVERYONE THAT'S IN ATTENDANCE THAT THIS IS NOT THE HEARING FOR PICKLEBALL. 
          WE WILL HAVE THAT, YOU WILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY AND THERE WILL BE A TIME AND PLACE TO DO THAT. 
          BUT THIS IS NOT THAT HEARING, SO THIS IS NOT THAT MEETING. 
          SO IF I MAY, UM, TIM, WHY DON'T YOU, UH, EXPLAIN THE PARAMETERS, 
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THE DIMENSIONS, THE OUT, THE OUTLINE AND THE LAYOUT. 
          AND I WILL GIVE THIS OVER TO YOU. 
          MIKE WOODROW IS OUR ENGINEER FROM WOODROW AND ASSOCIATES. 
          GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. 
          AND, AND I THINK, AS JEN POINTED OUT AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, THERE ARE MULTIPLE STEPS AND MULTIPLE CHECKPOINTS WHERE THIS PLAN GETS REVIEWED BY MANY PEOPLE AT THE TOWNSHIP. 
          AND THIS IS A TENTATIVE PLAN. 
          THIS IS A, I THINK, PRETTY WELL THOUGHT OUT SKETCH, YOU KNOW, CONCEPTUALLY OF HOW OUR PARKING IS GOING TO WORK, HOW, UH, THE WEDDING VENUE'S GOING TO WORK IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE, UM, TO THE EXISTING HOME THAT'S GONNA BE RENOVATED AND HOW OUR, UH, OPEN SPACE AND AGRICULTURAL COMPONENTS WORK. 
          UM, AND SO THIS PLAN REALLY HAS GIVEN, UH, THAT GOAL SETTING. 
          AND THEN AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, AS WE GET THROUGH THE ION ABUSE HEARINGS, AS WE GET THROUGH SPECIAL EXCEPTION, UH, HEARINGS, AND WE ARE ABLE TO FILE A PRELIMINARY PLAN THAT WILL BE FULLY DESIGNED, UH, AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT JEN POINTS OUT AS FAR AS OBLIGATIONS OF PRELIMINARY PLAN, UH, WILL BE ADDRESSED AT THAT TIME, STORMWATER, LIGHTING BUFFERING, UM, ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE COMPONENTS OF MODERN MAN DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION WILL BE ADDRESSED. 
          I THINK WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO CONVEY TO THE BOARD TONIGHT IS THAT WE RECOGNIZE THOSE OBLIGATIONS. 
          UM, THE PLAN MAKES PROVISION FOR ALL OF THOSE THINGS. 
          AND, UH, WE ARE CERTAINLY ABLE TO, UH, DESIGN A, A PLAN THAT WILL CONFORM TO THE CONCEPTS IN, IN THE GILMORE LETTER. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND IF THERE'S GOOD, THAT'S ON. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          TIM. 
          ARE YOU GONNA TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC TOO? OR THAT'S NOT YOU? TRAFFIC SIZE ON ON ANOTHER GUY. 
          THAT'S ANOTHER GUY. 
          OKAY. 
          I WILL NOTE FOR BRIAN'S BENEFIT THAT WE, JUST AS YOU, I HANDED THIS OUT FOR LOGAN, FOR MS. SCOTT TONIGHT. 
          UM, THIS IS THE FIRST WE'VE SEEN OF ANY OF THE TRAFFIC, RIGHT. 
          SO WE MAY HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE HEARING. 
          IT DEPENDS ON BRIAN'S WORKLOAD. 
          UM, NOT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT THANKS . 
          YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING, WE'LL HAVE A YEAH. 
          A REVIEW BEFORE THAT, BUT DON'T HAVE ANYTHING POSITIVE OR NEGATIVES TONIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU HAVEN'T REALLY HAD CHANCE TO LOOK AT THIS IN A TOTAL YET, BRIAN, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I'M, I'M SEEING THE STUFF BEHIND TAB EIGHT JUST THE SAME AS YOU ARE. 
          ALRIGHT, WELL THEN, THEN THERE'S REALLY NO REASON, YOU KNOW, YOU MEAN YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THEIR GUY TONIGHT? UH, IF, WELL, SINCE WE'RE ASKING YOU FOR RECOMMENDATION, UM, IF YOU WANT AN OVERVIEW, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO GIVE IT TO YOU. 
          WE DIDN'T WANT TO MISS ANYTHING. 
          WELL, I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND WE ALWAYS LIKE OVERVIEWS, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE BRIAN, YOU KNOW, IT FULLY, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDS IT. 
          SURE. 
          AND HE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HE NEEDS TO REVIEW IT BEFORE HE HEARS IT FROM YOU GUYS FIRST. 
          I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I'LL LET BRIAN DECIDE THAT. 
          WELL, I MEAN, I HAVE NO PROBLEM IF THEY WANT TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT IT SAYS. 
          I JUST, I CAN'T VERIFY YES OR NO, I CAN'T CORROBORATE JUST BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN IT. 
          I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT WHAT ANDY WOULD PRESENT TO YOU IS WHAT HE'S FOUND. 
          AND IF THAT'S ACCURATE. 
          UH, ANDY AND I HAVE KNOWN EACH OTHER FOR A LONG TIME, SO I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT, BUT I, I JUST CAN'T. 
          WELL, LET'S HEAR, LET'S, LET'S HEAR WHAT YOUR TRAFFIC GUY SAYS AT THIS POINT. 
          UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE ANY CALLS ON THAT UNTIL BRIAN. 
          CERTAINLY HIS OPINION, I MEAN, TRAFFIC IS REALLY GOING TO PLAY MORE OF A PART WHEN WE GET TO PRELIMINARY. 
          SURE. 
          UM, BUT I THINK IT, YEAH, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO GIVE US AN GIVEN AN OVERVIEW OF THE TRAFFIC CONCLUSIONS. 
          AND ANDY, WHEN YOU DO THAT, PLEASE EXPLAIN TO OUR PLANNING COMMISSIONERS THAT YOU HAVE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT THE POTENTIAL FOR THE TWO USES, BOTH WITH RESPECT TO PARKING AND ACCESS INGRESS AND, UH, AND CIRCULATION. 
          UH, YES. 
          UH, WE'VE ACTUALLY PREPARED TO SAY YOUR NAME AND, YES, I'M SORRY. 
          AND HEINRICH WITH HEINRICH AND KLEIN ASSOCIATES. 
          UM, WE'VE ACTUALLY PREPARED TWO SEPARATE STUDIES, ONE FOR THE PICKLE HOLE FACILITY AND ONE FOR THE BANQUET FACILITIES. 
          AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS, UH, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO, UH, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE CONCURRENTLY OPEN, WELL, LET ME, LET ME BACKTRACK. 
          BANQUET FACILITIES ARE A STRANGE NUT IN TERMS OF FIGURING OUT HOW MUCH TRAFFIC, BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE A WIDE RANGE OF, OF, UH, EVENTS. 
          WHEN DO THEY OCCUR, WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM, HOW OFTEN IS THE MAXIMUM GOING TO OCCUR? THE FACILITY WILL, UH, IS GOING TO BE SIZED TO ACCOMMODATE A MAXIMUM OF 250 GUESTS AND UNDER STAFF BALLET, THAT KIND OF THINGS. 
          ADDITION TO THAT, MOST OF THE TIME THERE'S GONNA BE LESS THAN 200 GUESTS FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF EVENTS. 
          SO FROM A TRAFFIC POINT OF VIEW, WHAT DO I STUDY? BECAUSE HAVING 250 GUESTS THERE EVERY 
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FRIDAY, EVERY SATURDAY NIGHT, EVERY SUNDAY, THAT'S JUST NOT GONNA HAPPEN. 
          BUT FOR WORST CASE, WHAT WE DID IS WE'VE LOOKED AT A FRIDAY NIGHT AND A SATURDAY NIGHT, ASSUMING A FULL CAPACITY EVENT WITH 250 GUESTS NOW TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH TRAFFIC THAT'S GONNA GENERATE. 
          WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE MADE SOME ASSUMPTIONS. 
          WE'VE ASSUMED THAT APPROXIMATELY AN AVERAGE OF TWO PEOPLE, TWO GUESTS PER VEHICLE ON AVERAGE, I MEAN, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME PEOPLE COMING AS SINGLES. 
          THERE'S GONNA BE FAMILIES OF THREE OR FOUR MORE. 
          THERE'S ON AVERAGE, WE'RE ASSUMING TWO PEOPLE PER CAR. 
          SO THAT IF IT'S A 250 GUESTS FOR, UH, EVENT, THEN THAT'S 125 CARS. 
          THEN THERE'S GONNA BE ABOUT 20, 25 STAFF, AND THEN THERE'S GONNA BE UP TO SIX VALET. 
          SO, AND THEN THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY OF SOME GUESTS BEING DROPPED OFF BY UBER OR SOMETHING ELSE. 
          SO THERE'LL BE A VERY MINOR EXITING, UH, COMPONENT TO WHEN THE GUESTS ALL ARRIVE AT THE BEGINNING OF EVENT. 
          UH, WE DIDN'T LOOK AT THE EXIT, UH, OF ANY EVENT BECAUSE THE EXITING, THAT'S GOING TO BE A, A DRIBBLE THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT. 
          AND THEN, UH, LATER ON IN THE EVENING, YOU'LL GET A, THE, THE REMAINDER ALL DUMPING OUT AT, AT THE SAME TIME. 
          BUT THE TRAFFIC ON THE ROADS THEN IS, IS NOT GOING TO BE ALL THAT SIGNIFICANT. 
          SO WE'VE LOOKED AT THE ENTERING TIME AND ON A FRIDAY EVENING OR A SATURDAY EVENING, AND THAT'S ABOUT 176 CARS IN AN HOUR. 
          IF THEY ALL ARRIVE IN AN HOUR, TRUTH BE TOLD, UH, STAFF IS PROBABLY GONNA COME IN A LITTLE BIT EARLIER. 
          VALETS PROBABLY GONNA COME IN A LITTLE EARLIER. 
          IF IT'S A WEDDING, THE BRIDAL PARTY WILL PROBABLY COME IN EARLIER. 
          SO WE'VE JUST MADE THE BAD, THE, THE BAD WORST CASE ASSUMPTION THAT WOULD ALL HAPPEN IN THE PEAK 60 MINUTE PERIOD. 
          SO THAT'S 176 CARS, A MINOR COMPONENT OF THAT BEING OUTBOUND. 
          MOST OF THAT'S ALL INBOUND TRAFFIC. 
          HAVING SAID THAT, WE'VE STUDIED THE INTERSECTION OF MENNONITE AND OLD STATE ROAD, AND THEN WE'VE LOOKED AT THE DRIVEWAYS AND WE FOUND THAT WITH THAT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC COMING IN, UH, FOR THE, THE THE WORST CASE EVENT, UH, THE INTERSECTION WILL OPERATE AT SATISFACTORILY. 
          THE DRIVEWAYS WILL ALSO SAT, UH, OPERATE SATISFACTORILY. 
          THERE'S NO NEED TO WIDEN EITHER MENNONITE OR OLD STATE ROAD OR SEPARATE TURN LANES. 
          THEY DON'T SATISFY WARRANTS. 
          THERE'S ADEQUATE SIGHT DISTANCE FOR THE DRIVEWAY. 
          SO FROM A SAFETY POINT OF VIEW, YOU CAN SEE TO MAKE A MOVEMENT IN AND OUTTA THE DRIVEWAY. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT OUR, OUR, OUR BOTTOM LINE ASSUMPTION, UH, UH, OR CONCLUSIONS BECOME. 
          NOW, ONE CAVEAT TO ALL THAT IS FOR THOSE MAX EVENTS, THE PICKLEBALL COURT WILL BE CLOSED. 
          'CAUSE WE NEED THE PARKING FOR THE MAX EVENT. 
          AND IF YOU WANT TO GET INTO PARKING, I CAN JUST DISCUSS SOME OF THAT. 
          BUT, UM, WE, WE FIGURED THAT AS ANYTHING ABOVE 200 GUESTS, THERE COULD BE, SHOULD BE NO PICKLEBALL UNDER 200, THE, UH, PICKLEBALL, THE BUILDING, THE INTERIOR PICKLEBALL COULD BE OPEN FOR, FOR NORMAL USE, BUT THE OUTDOOR PICKLEBALL WILL BE CLOSED. 
          SO, UH, THE, THAT, THAT'S THE, THE RATIONALE ASSUMPTIONS THAT GOES BEHIND WHY A SEPARATE TRAFFIC STUDY FOR PICKLEBALL WAS DONE AND A SEPARATE TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THE, WE STICK TO THAT. 
          WE'LL JUST STICK TO THE FACILITY RIGHT NOW. 
          WE'LL GET THE PICKLEBALL AS, AS ZACH SAID, DOWN THE ROAD. 
          TWO QUESTIONS I HAVE AND THEN MAYBE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          UM, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE YOU PLANTED? HOW MANY PARKING IS THIS? I, I I BELIEVE IT'S 146 TOTAL. 
          I THINK 46. 
          THE WHOLE FACILITY. 
          THE WHOLE THING? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO IF A MAX EVENT, IT'LL BE PRETTY FULL. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          IT'LL BE PRETTY FULL THAT, AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY THE PICKLEBALL FACILITY HAS TO BE CLOSED. 
          WE NEED THAT, WHATEVER SPACES THEY WOULD USE AS WELL. 
          AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION IS ON STATE MENNONITE, THAT INTERSECTION, YOU DON'T SEE A RED LIGHT OR ANYTHING. 
          THE STOP SIGNS THAT ARE THERE NOW WILL, UH, HANDLE THE EXITING THAT, THAT THE INTERSECTION WILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE IN A, IN AN ACCEPTABLE, UH, STATE AS A FOUR-WAY STOP CONTROLLED INTERSECTION. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU WON'T GET TO THE POINT WHERE SIGNAL WILL BE WARRANTED. 
          I'LL BE ANXIOUS TO SEE HOW BRIAN FEELS ABOUT THAT, BUT, OKAY. 
          THAT'S COOL. 
          QUESTIONS. 
          YEAH, I, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS, SUPPOSING THE PICKLE BOWL ISN'T APPROVED, DO WILL, DO YOU STILL DO THE REST OF IT THE WAY IT'S SHOWN? OR WOULD THAT BE TOTALLY MODIFIED? UH, I, I THINK THAT GOES BEYOND TRAFFIC . 
          WELL, IS THERE ANYTHING, I I'M ASSUMING THAT PICKLEBALL WILL BE PART OF THE, THE DEVELOPMENT EVENTUALLY. 
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IF IT'S NOT, THEN EVERYTHING IS REDUCED FROM WHAT I'VE JUST SAID. 
          YEAH, I WOULD, THAT'S NOT REALLY A QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          I GUESS THAT'S FOR SOMEBODY ELSE IN YOUR ENTOURAGE. 
          ANYBODY WANNA ANSWER THAT? WELL, YEAH, THE, THE BEST ANSWER I CAN GIVE IS WE, WE DON'T WANT TO ANTICIPATE. 
          SO IF THAT HAPPENS, THEN MY CLIENT'S GONNA HAVE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION. 
          SURE, THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          AND, UH, AND THERE WILL PROBABLY BE A DIFFERENCE IN THE, IF HE DECIDES TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE, THERE'LL BE A DIFFERENCE IN THE PARKING IN THE, IN THE OUTLAY. 
          MAKES SENSE. 
          OKAY, THANKS. 
          WHAT ABOUT THE GRASSY AREAS? WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THOSE? AGAIN, I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          TO BE GLARE, UM, CATARACTS. 
          SO, UM, THE PLAN FOR THE GRASSY AREAS IS, IS TO HAVE, UH, THE ABILITY TO, TO TO HAVE EVENTS. 
          YOU KNOW, PERHAPS SOMEONE GOES INTO THE GRASSY AREAS FOR GAMES OR, OR THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE. 
          I KNOW LOGAN CAN POINT OUT WHERE THE AGRICULTURAL ACTIVITIES WILL TAKE PLACE. 
          WHICH ONE OF THOSE GRASSY AREAS YOU INTEND TO USE. 
          OKAY. 
          AGRICULTURAL OPERATIONS WILL TAKE PLACE HERE ALONG. 
          I'M SORRY, MS. SCOTT, COULD YOU PLEASE SPEAK? YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH, COME UP PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE AGRICULTURAL OPERATION WILL TAKE PLACE, UM, IN THE BACK LEFT HERE ALONG OLD STATE AND ALONG THE BUFFER FOR, UH, FOX RUN. 
          AND THEN HERE, THIS, THIS OPEN SPACE IS JUST GONNA REMAIN OPEN IN TERMS OF IF WE WERE TO HAVE A, UM, LIKE A SUMMER CAMP FOR KIDS AND LET'S SAY WE SET UP LIKE MOON BOUNCES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE COULD DO FOR KIDS. 
          SO THEY COULD PLAY PICKLEBALL, THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, UTILIZE THAT OPEN SPACE FOR ACTIVITIES. 
          WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER ONE? THE BIG ONE? THE BIG ONE. 
          OH, THAT WOULD BE FOR, UM, LIVESTOCK OVER THERE ON THE RIGHT TO THE RIGHT OF THE POND THAT 3.63 ACRES WOULD BE UTILIZED FOR LIVESTOCK. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT CONSTITUTES LIVESTOCK? HORSES? YEAH. 
          COUPLE HORSES. 
          IS THAT A, IS THAT A HORSE STABLE? THAT BUILDING? IS THAT NEW? THAT THAT'S A BARN? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SHOWING THAT WE WOULD BUILD A BARN. 
          BUT YOU'RE THINKING MAYBE HORSES. 
          SO YOU WOULD HAVE STABLE PEOPLE COULD RENT OR BOARD THEIR HORSE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          I DON'T THINK WE WOULD BE BOARDING HORSES. 
          I THINK THIS WOULD BE A SMALLER, I WOULD IMAGINE PROBABLY TWO HORSES, GOATS, SHEEP. 
          UM, BUT OKAY. 
          BUT WHAT WOULD BE THE PURPOSE OF THIS? WELL, WHY WOULD YOU HAVE GOATS IN SHEEP? WHAT'S THE PURPOSE? WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING TO DO WITH THEM TO ADD TO THE AGRICULTURAL OPERATION? I, I'M STILL NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU, WHAT'S YOUR LONG YES SIR. 
          CAN I SPEAK? ALRIGHT, PETER, COME UP PLEASE, THOUGH. 
          COULD YOU GO? SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          THE AGRICULTURAL PART OF THIS, UH, FACILITY, HAVING THE, UH, HORSES, THE GOATS. 
          IF, IF, IF IN HOPING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE SUMMER CAMPS FOR THE KIDS, KIND OF WR 'EM DOWN WITH, UH, THE STAFF THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE HERE, TEACH 'EM ABOUT THE ANIMALS, SHOW 'EM HOW TO CARE FOR 'EM, HOW TO FEED THEM, HOW TO BRUSH 'EM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, TO HAVE THEM A LITTLE HANDS ON. 
          UH, I MEAN, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A, A BIG RIDING FACILITY. 
          UH, I, I ASKED, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO LIKE HORSES, SO, UH, LOGAN AND I MAY UP, UH, SADDLE OFF SOME HORSES AND TAKE 'EM OVER TO VALLEY FORGE PARK, GO RIDING. 
          BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, SO, BUT I ALSO THINK THEY'RE JUST A BEAUTIFUL THING TO HAVE IN OUR FIELDS. 
          HAVE PEOPLE, AGAIN, IT'S A BIT OF AT TRACTION, PEOPLE WANT TO GO DOWN AND TAKE PICTURES FOR THEIR WEDDING, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE THE HORSES OR WHATEVER, THEN YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF THE IDEA OF IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S JUST MORE OF A FEATURE OF THE PROPERTY ABSOLUTELY. 
          AS AS OPPOSED TO A FULL-TIME BOARDING. 
          OH YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT, WE'RE LOOKING TO BEAUTIFY THIS THREE ACRES. 
          RIGHT. 
          WITH, AGAIN, WITH SOME LIVESTOCK AND STUFF. 
          THAT'S GONNA BE FUN. 
          NOT, NOT AGAIN TO GET IT OURSELVES INTO A LOT OF EXTRA WORK. 
          YEAH. 
          NOT TO GET INTO A YEAH, NO, NO ZOO. 
          EXACTLY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          THAT ANSWERS ME. 
          WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS DO WE HAVE? JOE? JOE? UH, JUST ONE THING FOR, FOR ANDY, I GUESS, UH, JUST IN YOUR, UH, NOW DIDN'T MOVE IN CHARGE YET, BUT I MEAN YOUR, YOUR ANALYSIS SO FAR, WHERE DO YOU SEE THE MOST OF THE TRAFFIC COMING INTO THE SITE? OFF THE SECOND, UH, UH, OLD STATE ROAD ENTRANCE? OH NO. 
          MEITE. 
          MENNONITE ROAD. 
          MENNONITE ROAD. 
          MORE HEAVILY USED AVENUE, DRIVEWAY. 
          'CAUSE MENNONITE CONNECTS WITH, YOU KNOW, ONE. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          BUT, BUT THEY, YOU FIND THEM TO BE AT A SERVICE OR AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE, AS YOU SAID, RIGHT? YES. 
          YES. 
          ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNTY COMMISSION? I HAVE ONE QUESTION. 
          IT'S KIND OF A DUMB ONE, BUT THIS IS CURRENTLY FIVE PARCELS, RIGHT? YES. 
          DOES THE, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE AGRICULTURAL OPERATIONS ON THEM, YOU KNOW, BY DOING THIS DEVELOPMENT, DOES IT ALL BECOME ONE PARCEL 
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OR DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE AGRICULTURAL OPERATIONS ON EACH INDIVIDUAL PARCEL? NO, I BELIEVE THAT THE, THAT IT'LL, IT'LL HAVE TO BE, THE CONDITIONAL USE WOULD HAVE TO BE GRANTED FOR THE ENTIRE FIVE PARCELS TO BE USED TOGETHER. 
          THAT'S HOW IT HAS TO BE DONE. 
          WHAT'S MIKE, WHAT'S THE BASIS FOR KEEPING THOSE A SEPARATE, WHY NOT JUST COMBINE 'EM ALL INTO ONE MILE? UH, IF, AGAIN, FOR THE FUTURE, IF, IF FOR SOME REASON THERE'S A FIRE OR THERE'S SOMETHING, SOME CALAMITY AND THIS GOES AWAY, THERE'LL BE FIVE HOUSES THERE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          BUT THEY'RE ALL OWNED BY THE SAME, THEY'RE ALL OWNED BY HTC? YES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, THAT WAS KIND OF THE GIST OF IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU ESSENTIALLY, YOU HAVE A, UH, WELL AT LEAST A WEDDING VENUE, MAYBE A PICKLEBALL COURT, UH, DEPENDING ON THE ZONING BOARD IN PART BECAUSE OF THE ORDINANCE, RIGHT? YES. 
          AND LET'S SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU DECIDE YOU PAID HORSES SUDDENLY, I DUNNO, BUT WHATEVER, UH, YOU DON'T WANT TO USE THAT. 
          WHAT IS, I DUNNO, 25, 30% OF THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE NOTHING STOPPING YOU FROM SELLING THAT TO BE DEVELOPED AND YOU STILL OH NO. 
          THERE'D BE, THERE'D BE A RESTRICTION. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AS LONG AS, AS LONG AS THIS USE IS IN PLACE, THERE'S DEFINITELY A RESTRICTION. 
          BUT YOU HAVE NO PLANS HAVE EVER SAYING, OKAY, THIS IS POPULAR. 
          WE WANT TO PUT A FOOTBALL FIELD THERE WITH A STADIUM AROUND, YOU KNOW, A SEATING AROUND. 
          I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT LOOKING TO DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          NO, I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE'S ASKING. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          NO, AND AND THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION BECAUSE WE WORKED WITH YOUR STAFF AND PUT INTO THE ORDINANCE A PROHIBITION THAT IN IF THERE'S ANY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE, WE GOTTA COME BACK TO ANY OF THE INDIVIDUAL AND THAT IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S SEVERAL PARCELS EXACTLY. 
          THAT TO, TO YOUR POINT. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I THINK THAT, YEAH, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S NOT NO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT SEEING SOMETHING WE DIDN'T SEE BEFORE. 
          BUT DIDN'T YOU SAY THAT THIS WILL BECOME A SINGLE PARCEL? UM, NO, IT WON'T BE A SINGLE PARCEL. 
          BE CONSOLIDATED FIVE LOTS AND AND IT WILL BE SUBJECT TO NOT BEING ABLE TO SELL OFF OR DO ANYTHING ON THOSE LOTS. 
          ANY OF THOSE LOTS. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          BUT THEY WILL BE A CONTIGUOUS FIVE LOT PARCEL. 
          THAT'S WHAT OUR PLAN IS. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SO I HAVE, I HAVE TWO ISSUES I WANT TO RAISE. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF THE PARKING, WHEN YOU HAVE THESE LARGE EVENTS, HAVE YOU EXPLORED ANY TYPE OF SATELLITE PARKING, YOU KNOW, ANY PROPERTIES NEARBY WHERE LIKE A SHUTTLE PEOPLE COULD PARK AND A SHUTTLE COULD BRING THEM INTO THE PROPERTY? I HAVE. 
          SO WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA GO DOWN AND, I'M SORRY, MR. STEP MIC. 
          I'M THAT GUY. 
          SO, SO THE PARKING LOT RIGHT HERE IS CONCEPTUAL. 
          ONCE WE GET INTO THIS PLAN A LITTLE DEEPER, THAT PARKING LOT MAY BE BIGGER. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE JUST GOING SEE WHAT WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE HERE, POSSIBLY FOR THE PICKLEBALL, FOR THE EVENTS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM. 
          SO I ACTUALLY GONNA GO DOWN AND SPEAK WITH THE PEOPLE DOWN AT THE CHURCH DOWN THE ROAD TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD SHUTTLE IF WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE FEEL IS A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE IN THE SENSE OF PARKING TO SHUTTLE PEOPLE FROM THE CHURCH PARKING LOT TO THE FACILITY. 
          SO WE ARE GONNA CHECK THAT OUT. 
          THE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE GONNA KEY ON THOUGH, IS NOT HAVING A PARKING PROBLEM. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA, AND, AND WE WANT THE CONTROL, HAVING SOMETHING MORE PRIVATE SO THAT WE CAN SHUT PICKLEBALL COURTS DOWN. 
          WE COULD DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO HERE TO ACCOMMODATE THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE EVENTS. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S GONNA BE THE BIG THING THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS RUN AND, AND PEOPLE AREN'T ANNOYING THAT THEY CAN'T PARK. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE ON THE STREET. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THIS IS AIRTIGHT IN A SENSE OF THAT FOR SURE. 
          SO, I MEAN, I, I KNOW I'VE BEEN TO PLACES WHETHER IT'S A MALL, WHEREVER IT'S AT AND THERE'S A PARKING PROBLEM, I'M DISGUSTED. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. 
          BUT I DID, AND I AM GONNA GO DOWN AND CHECK, UH, EITHER WHAT, NINE OAKS OR, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, WHICH WE'LL CALL CHURCH. 
          THE MOVIE CHURCH, YEAH. 
          SO YEAH, I MEAN I, I I WOULD JUST SAY I THINK IT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE AT LEAST AN INITIAL CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND SO THAT THERE IS A CLEAR PLAN. 
          I WON'T, IN THE EVENT THAT THE PARK, 'CAUSE I MEAN, IN, IN MY MIND SOME, THIS IS SOMEWHAT OF A MOVING TARGET WHEN YOU'RE HAVING THESE EVENTS BECAUSE LIKE MR. HEINRICH SAID, YOU KNOW, SOME EVENTS ARE GONNA HAVE 300 PEOPLE. 
          SOME EVENTS ARE GONNA HAVE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, I MEAN, WE'RE VERY CONSCIOUS OF, OF NOT HAVING AN ISSUE. 
          SO WE ARE GONNA KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO OPERATE AND FUNCTION WITHOUT SAYING, OH YEAH, WE COULD SQUEEZE IN A 300 PERSON WEDDING AND THIS ISN'T GONNA HAPPEN. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A RANGE. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE COULD FIT. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE'RE 
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DOING, AND I'M NOT GONNA BE OUT THERE RUNNING AROUND AH, YOU KNOW, NOT HAPPENING. 
          SO THIS IS, AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THIS THING IS, IS AIRTIGHT WITH US PARKING. 
          SO THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS, I, I KNOW THAT MR. HEINRICH HAD SAID THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE ARE LEAVING THE EVENT, THEY'RE GONNA BE TRICKLING OUT. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE HAVING A WEDDING SHOWER, LARGE WEDDING SHOWER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE THERE'S AN END OF THE EVENT AND EVERYONE'S COMING OUT AT THE SAME TIME, ARE YOU GUYS OPEN TO HAVING SOME SORT OF TRAFFIC CONTROL ABSOLUTELY. 
          REQUIREMENT. 
          LIKE WE'VE ALREADY FLAGGERS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, PEOPLE TURN OUT IN THE ROOM. 
          YEAH. 
          I, AND AGAIN, YEAH, JUST, I MEAN, AGAIN, AND I KNOW HOW CONCERTS LET OUT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WHERE PEOPLE ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          SO YEAH. 
          IF, IF WE'RE HAVING AN EVENT THAT WE FEEL IS GONNA BE A QUICK RELEASE, ABSOLUTELY. 
          WE'LL HAVE RENTAL PEOPLE OUT THERE MAKING SURE THAT SAFETY IS GONNA BE OUR KEY THING HERE. 
          FOR SURE. 
          YOU THINK WE WANT AN ACCIDENT HERE? ABSOLUTELY NOT. 
          PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, NOT BEING ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT. 
          SO WE, WE WILL MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT COVERED. 
          AND AGAIN, WE'LL, WE WILL GET THAT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT MORE FIRMED UP. 
          UH, LIKE I SAID, ONCE WE FIGURE OUT HOW BIG OUR PARKING LOT NEEDS TO BE, WE'LL TALK TO ANDY. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL FIGURE OUT THESE EVENT SIZES AND WE JUST GOT THIS PARKING, UH, AND THE TRAFFIC STUFF BACK, SO WE'RE GONNA DIGEST A LITTLE BETTER TOO. 
          I MEAN, BUT THIS WAS ALL CONCEPTUAL, YOU KNOW, SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE WHERE THE PARKING, HOW THIS IS GONNA FLOW. 
          I MEAN, I, I JUST, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, MIKE, I I, I THINK THAT IDEALLY JEFF AND I IN, IN, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSIONS WITH THE REST OF THE TOWNSHIP STAFF AND, AND THE BOARD, I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA PRESENT YOU GUYS WITH A, A SET OF PROPOSED CONDITIONS TO THE AGREEMENT SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF WORK THOSE OUT. 
          YEAH. 
          ANTICIPATED THAT. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, ZACH AND JEFF, WE, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THAT'S PRETTY CUSTOMARY FOR WHAT GOOD PROFESSIONALS DO. 
          JUST CUR OUTTA CURIOSITY FOR ME, JUST A PER WHERE IF, IF YOU HAVE A 250 PERSON WEDDING, PEOPLE ARE COMING IN FROM WORK, WHERE ARE YOU GONNA PUT, I MEAN, WHERE ARE THEY GONNA STAY? YOU, YOU JUST GONNA SEND 'EM BACK TO 29? OR IS THAT YOUR PLAN OR, I MEAN, WHERE DO, THERE'S NO HOTELS CLOSE TO THIS, RIGHT? YEAH, THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF LOGISTICS. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S NOT THAT FAR. 
          THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF LOGISTICS. 
          THE QUESTION IN TERMS OF WHERE YOU GONNA HAVE PEOPLE SAY THERE'S SOME REALLY NICE PLACES WITHIN, YOU MEAN HOTEL PEOPLE? YEAH, THE HOTEL. 
          YEAH. 
          COMING OUTTA TOWN, WE GONNA SEND DIAMOND 29 OR WE, WE ARE DEFINITELY NOT SHORT ON HOTEL STAY IN THIS AREA. 
          AND I MEAN ESPECIALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, RIGHT ON ARCOLA ROAD, THERE'S A LOT OF SMALLER HOTELS RIGHT UP, UH, YOU KNOW WHERE PFIZER IS? I THINK THERE'S TWO OR THREE OF 'EM RIGHT THERE. 
          I MEAN, IF PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM RIGHT. 
          THAT'S HOW I'M THINKING. 
          THAT'S OH YEAH. 
          DOWN IN THE, UH, THE OAKS AREA. 
          I MEAN THERE'S, UH, STUFF THERE, TROOPER, I MEAN THERE'S, UH, HOTELS THERE THAT I KNOW ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DO WELL, BUT THEY'RE NOT FULL ALL THE TIME. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, BUT YEAH, I I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE ARE. 
          SO YOU DON'T SEE THAT AS THAT YOU THINK YOU'RE CLOSE ENOUGH TO THOSE HOTELS? OH, I, I, YEAH. 
          THAT GREAT. 
          ABSO ABSOLUTELY. 
          I I JUST WANT PERSONAL, I JUST FOR SURE WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR PLAN WAS. 
          OKAY. 
          ON COLA, HAVE A SHUTTLE TOO. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT'S THAT? ONES ON OUR COLA. 
          HAVE A SHUTTLE. 
          I I DIDN'T HEAR SHUTTLES. 
          THEY HAVE A SHUTTLE, THE ONE ON OUR COLA. 
          YEAH, THEY DO. 
          YEAH, ACTUALLY. 
          SO YEAH. 
          WE'LL LISTEN, WE'RE GONNA, WE'LL ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS, ALL THE CONCERNS. 
          SO, BECAUSE THERE, THERE ARE CONCERNS TOO. 
          SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COMES UP THAT WE MISSED, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE THAT IN AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE IT'S RESOLVED. 
          WHERE'S THE, UM, WHERE YOU HAD A WEDDING, WHAT PART? IS IT IN THE BARN OR IS IT THE FIELD? YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE ARE PEOPLE DOING THE, UH, ELECTRIC SLIDE AT 10 30 AT NIGHT? ? YEAH, I I WOULD BELIEVE THAT JAIL GONNA BE WITHIN THAT FACILITY THERE WITH THE BARN. 
          SO WE'LL BE THINKING ABOUT SOUND AND EVERYTHING. 
          SO IT WOULD BE INDOORS AND NOT, LEMME TELL YOU WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THAT. 
          I'M JUST SAYING FOR THE BARN. 
          SO YOU GUYS NO, ON THE OUTSIDE OF THAT BARN AND THOSE, THOSE BUILDINGS RIGHT HERE MM-HMM . 
          ARE GONNA BE A FULL THREE AND A HALF INCHES OF, OF FOAM INSULATION ON THE WHOLE OUTSIDE OF THAT BARN, INCLUDING THE ROOF. 
          SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT AS AIR TIGHT AND SOUNDPROOFED AS YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF WE HAVE TO PUT SOME SOUND MATS UP, SOMETHING IN THERE IF, IF THE SOUND IS EVEN GETTING OUT. 
          SO, BUT THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ON THE OUTSIDE OF THAT BARN. 
          AND E EVERY BUILDING THAT YOU SEE RIGHT THERE WILL BE COMPLETELY FOAMED IN ALL THE WAY AROUND, INCLUDING THE ROOFS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY GENERAL QUESTION? HAVE A QUESTION HERE. 
          UM, IS THERE SOME PLACE NEARBY OR WHEREVER THAT YOU TOOK AND MADE THIS MODEL FROM THAT YOU HAVE? NO, ACTUALLY THIS IS, UH, YOU CREATED IT YOURSELF. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE CAN'T GO OUT AND LOOK AT ANYTHING. 
          AND, AND THE OTHER 
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QUESTION I HAVE IS, ARE THERE RESTRICTIONS THAT FIELD THAT IS JUST BELOW THE AGRICULTURAL AREA, THAT FIELD, UH, THE RESTRICTIONS, NO TENTS, NO TEMPORARY PARKING. 
          I MEAN THAT'S STRICTLY AN OPEN FIELD AS YOU DESCRIBED FOR PERHAPS AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT. 
          WOULD YOU HELP ME OUT, MR. PETERS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, LEFT HAND SIDE RIGHT HAND. 
          LEFT HAND SIDE. 
          YEAH. 
          NO, NO TENTS. 
          YEAH, I, WE DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY TENTS THAT ARE ANTICIPATED. 
          I MEAN, BUT YOU'RE TALKING BY, I'M GONNA LISTEN, I'M GONNA BE OPEN THAT, THAT GRASSY AIR IN THERE DEFINITELY GONNA BE A TENT EVENT THERE. 
          YEAH, FOR SURE. 
          THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS INTENDED FOR. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          I'M, I'M GONNA MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S OUT. 
          I WANNA BE VERY CLEAR THAT YEAH, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO HAVE A LITTLE ANNIVERSARY PARTY AND THEY, AND THEY JUST WANT TO DO IT IN A TENT, THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY IT'S A LITTLE MORE AFFORDABLE FOR SOME OF THE PEOPLE TO HAVE A LITTLE TENT AND SOME MU YOU KNOW, WE'RE NEVER OUT THERE, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA LET WE'RE MUSIC CARRY OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA RESTRICT IT. 
          SO, AND YOU DID MENTION, UM, THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LIKE MOON HOUSES OR SO IF YOU HAVE KIDS YEAH, YEAH, FOR SURE. 
          YOU MIGHT HAVE A MOON HOUSE OR, UH, YEP. 
          IT MIGHT BE UP FOR A WEEK OR TWO. 
          THAT'S THE AREA THAT'S GONNA BE IT FOR SURE. 
          WHAT ELSE GUYS? ANYTHING AND WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC NOW TO MAKE COMMENTS. 
          IF ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WANTS TO, UH, COME UP AND MAKE, UH, MAKE ANY COMMENTS, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE. 
          HI, I AM KIM STELLA, 1 21 FOX RUN DRIVE. 
          SO, UM, ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT PARKING ON FOX RUN DRIVE OR ON PLEASANT? WHY WOULD THEY PARK OVER THERE? WELL, LIKE YOU JUST HEARD MY WHOLE PRESENTATION RIGHT? ABOUT PARKING. 
          WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IT. 
          SO HOW, WHY WOULD THEY WALK ALL THE WAY? I'M JUST, LET ME JUST, WHY WOULD THEY WALK? YEAH, NO, THAT'S FINE. 
          WHY WOULD THEY GO ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE, PARK, GO INTO YOUR DEVELOPMENT TO PARK WHEN THEY COULD PARK OUT HERE ALL OVER EVERYBODY'S LAWN RIGHT HERE. 
          DID YOU, DID I HEAR THAT THERE'S 146 PARKING SPACES IF THAT, BUT YOU COULD END UP WITH 176 CARS AND THOSE, YOU JUST HEARD ME SAY THAT THAT PARKING LOT RIGHT THERE AND THAT FACILITY HAS THAT WE ARE THINKING ABOUT EXPANDING THE PARKING SO THAT IT ACCOMMODATES WHAT WE NEED TO BE THAT IS CONCEPTUAL AND THAT'S WHAT THE SPOTS ARE THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK IF PEOPLE ARE GONNA GO CH IT A HALF A MILE AWAY, IT'S OKAY. 
          LET, LET ME LET, IT'S NOT A HALF MILE, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU, THAT THAT IS A CONCERN THAT YOU WOULD ALSO FIND VALID. 
          THAT YOU, IF YOU WERE LISTENING TO ME, I'M LISTENING TO YOU. 
          I HEARD 140 CENTS THIS OFF RIGHT NOW. 
          I THINK THAT LET ME MAKE YOU WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT AND MAYBE POSE SOME QUESTIONS THEN THE APPLICANT COME UP AND ADDRESS. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK THIS BACK AND FORTH, THIS IS NOT APPROPRIATE AT THIS POINT. 
          SO JUST THANK YOU. 
          I I DO WANT TO EX EXPLAIN SOMETHING, UH, ZACH AND I, AND I THINK THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING MM-HMM . 
          THE 176 CARS WERE 176 CARS THAT COULD BE COMING AND GOING. 
          IT'S A TRAFFIC COUNT. 
          IT WAS NOT. 
          THAT WOULD BE PARKING, IT WOULD BE THE 176 CARS COMING OR GOING. 
          THERE'S ENOUGH PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE FROM WHAT I THINK ANDY HAS TESTIFIED ABOUT. 
          TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE LARGEST EVENT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE COMBATIVE AT ALL. 
          NO, NO. 
          THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO EXPLAIN THAT. 
          I HEARD, I HEARD TWO DIFFERENT NUMBERS AND THOUGHT MY STREET'S RIGHT DOWN THERE. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO ASK THAT QUESTION. 
          SO I'M SORRY IF THAT CAME ACROSS AS NEVADA AND THAT COULD BE A RESTRICTION, RIGHT? THAT YOU COULD TELL, YOU COULD SAY, HEY, NO PERMITTED PARKING AT ALL ON THIS ROAD. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          THAT'S PART OF HAVE RESTRICTION. 
          I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT PROBABLY WILL BE, YEAH. 
          SO HAVE TO, THEY ALL THE PARKING RELATED EVENTS HAS TO BE KEPT IN WITHIN THEIR PARKING LOT OR WITHIN A SATELLITE BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          IF WE'RE STEPHANIE GONNA KEEP 'EM OFF YOUR ROAD. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IF IT BECOMES AN ISSUE, LET THE TOWNSHIP YEAH. 
          WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN DO WHAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I WOULD JUST PREFER TO NOT HAVE THE ISSUE, BUT YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT'S DISAPPOINTING. 
          WE DON'T WANT ANY ISSUES EITHER. 
          I'M SURE MR. GABO DON'T WANT ANY ISSUES. 
          RIGHT? NOBODY WANTS ISSUES. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          UM, I APPRECIATED HEARING ABOUT THE SOUNDPROOFING IN THE BARN BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 250 PEOPLE THERE EVERY WEEKEND FOR A WEDDING. 
          AND I, I LIVE ON FOX RUN DRIVE AND YOU KNOW, IT'S A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, AND, BUT SO I, I WANTED TO KNOW IF THERE WERE ANY NOISE STUDIES DONE ABOUT THE BARN. 
          UM, BUT THEN IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TENTS OUT FRONT, HOW IS THE NOISE GONNA BE MITIGATED? I HEARD YOU SAY YOU DON'T WANT THERE TO 
          [00:55:01]
BE NOISE ISSUES WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT I DIDN'T HEAR HOW THAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE TENT. 
          UM, THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS AND THOUGHTS IF I CAN HELP WITH THAT. 
          THERE'S A, UH, SOUND STUDY THAT WILL BE PRESENTED, UM, AT THE DEVELOPMENT STAGE. 
          UH, I FORGET YOUR LAST NAME. 
          KIM STELLA. 
          STELLA MSGA. 
          THERE, THERE IS A SOUND STUDY WILL BE PRE PRESENTED AND THAT WILL BE PART OF IT. 
          UM, IT'S IN THE PROCESS. 
          WE HAVE A PRELIMINARY STUDY ALREADY DONE, BUT WE'RE VERY CONSCIOUS OF THE ISSUE THAT YOU JUST BROUGHT UP AND, UH, RECOGNIZE THAT WE DON'T WANT TO AGGRAVATE THE NEIGHBORS IN ANY WAY AND THAT'S WHY, UH, SOUND STUDY'S BEEN DONE AND THAT'S WHY THOSE BUILDINGS WILL BE SOUNDPROOFED. 
          OKAY. 
          PLEASE. 
          ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO COME UP? IDENTIFY YOURSELF, YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE? NANCY CROCKETT. 
          1 36 FOX RUN DRIVE. 
          UM, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF, UM, NOW I HEARD YOU WEREN'T GONNA HAVE THE PICKLEBALL CONCURRENTLY WITH THE WEDDING, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER EVENTS? UH, THE TENT IN THE BACK, THE YOU PICK FLOWERS, THE VINEYARD, UM, AND ALL THE MUL, OTHER MULTIPLE BUSINESSES THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING HERE. 
          CAN I SPEAK? YEAH, YEAH, PLEASE. 
          JUST, JUST, JUST STAND UP. 
          I THINK DAN, WHAT, WHAT WE SHOULD COME UP FRONT. 
          HE JUST, JUST TO MAKE SURE THE LADY HEARS YOU, THAT HAS TO, I THINK WHAT OUR, UM, PLAN IS BECAUSE THIS IS PRIVATE AND IT'S GONNA BE MEMBERSHIP, THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SHUT THIS STUFF DOWN. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ALL THESE EVENTS AND PEOPLE AGAIN, THAT WILL CAUSE CONGESTION DISCOMFORT TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PAYING, YOU KNOW, UH, TO HAVE AN EVENT HERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THESE OTHER AREAS OPERATING. 
          SO THESE DATES WILL BE FAR AHEAD TO SAY THESE FACILITIES WILL BE SHUT DOWN ON THESE DATES. 
          THAT'S HOW WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR HOURS OF OPERATION ON THE 10 EVENTS IF THEY HAVE LIVE BANDS? THE TOWNSHIP HAS A ESTABLISHED IN OUR ORDINANCE WHAT THOSE HOURS ARE GOING TO BE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I MEAN, I THINK, UH, BECAUSE I KNOW WEDDINGS CAN RUN TO MIDNIGHT SOMETIMES I THINK MR. UH, ZACHARY, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, HAS ALREADY, WE'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED THOSE TIMES AND WE AGREE WITH THEM. 
          SO MAY I ASK WHAT THOSE TIMES, SIR? SO THE TAINMENT ORDINANCE STATES THAT TAINMENT EVENT SHALL BE PERMITTED DURING THE FOLLOWING HOURS, MONDAY TO THURSDAY, 10:00 AM TO 10:00 PM FRIDAY AND SATURDAY 10:00 AM TO 11:00 PM AND SUNDAY 10:00 AM TO 8:00 PM AND MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT THOSE ARE BASED ON THE HOURS PERMITTED UNDER THE SPECIAL EVENTS ORDINANCE. 
          UM, AND I, I THINK THAT THERE WAS A PROVISION THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE BOARD TO EXTEND OR ALTER THOSE, ALTER THOSE HOURS BASED ON THE HEARING THAT'S CONDUCTED ON THE CONDITION USE HEARING. 
          UM, SO THOSE ARE, THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE. 
          WOULD THAT ALSO COVER THE NOISE ORDINANCE? THOSE HOURS? IT WOULD TO 11 ON THE WEEKEND. 
          IT WOULD COVER THE, THE NOISE ORDINANCE WOULD APPLY. 
          SO WHATEVER THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE, I'M JUST ASKING ARE THEY THE SAME HOURS FOR THE NOISE ORDINANCE? I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE THE EXACT SAME HOURS, BUT THE NOISE ORDINANCE WOULD STILL BE APPLICABLE IS MIDNIGHT AND THEY, YOU HAVE TO BE QUIET AFTER MIDNIGHT AND YOU CAN START UP AS EARLY AS SIX. 
          SO THE NOISE ORDINANCE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE, HAS A LITTLE MORE LATITUDE IN IT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BUT IT ALSO DISCUSSES STEAM WHISTLES AND A LOT OF THINGS THAT REALLY DON'T APPLY ANYMORE. 
          IT'S A LITTLE ANTIQUATED, BUT RIGHT. 
          IT'S MORE REPETITIVE MACHINERY NOISE THAN MUSIC ORIENTED. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO KEEP IN MIND, UH, WHEN YOU'RE DESIGNATING THOSE HOURS THAT WE LIVE RIGHT. 
          WHERE THERE'S TREES ARE, UM, SO THAT NOISE WOULD REALLY CARRY OVER TO OUR HOMES, YOU KNOW, AND WE DID SPEND TWO YEARS TO SAY, AND, AND IN INVITED THE, THE NEIGHBORS, THE COMMUNITY IN TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES. 
          AND I, AND WE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSING THEM WHOLEHEARTEDLY ABOUT THE SOUND. 
          SO, 'CAUSE WE PROMISED ALL THE NEIGHBORS, WE WOULD DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWERS TO GET THE SOUND DECIMAL DOWN TO SOMETHING THAT IS VERY, VERY TOLERABLE. 
          YOU KNOW, AND I THINK WE'VE DONE THAT AND WE WILL, WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON THAT. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          UH, AND MY LAST CONCERN WOULD BE, UM, I WALK MY DOG PAST THE PROPERTY ALL THE TIME TO GO DOWN TO THE WALKING PATH, WAS ALMOST HIT A COUPLE DAYS AGO BY SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, ALMOST RUNNING THE STOP SIGN. 
          AND I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BRINGING A COUPLE HUNDRED EXTRA CARS IN WITHOUT A TRAFFIC LIGHT. 
          ANY IDEAS? WELL, IF WE'RE GONNA WAIT TO SEE WHAT OUR TRAFFIC PERSON SAID, THEY'VE ALREADY MADE THEIR PROPOSAL, WE WILL HAVE BRIAN AND HE CERTAINLY ADDRESS ALL THOSE ISSUES. 
          IF THERE ARE ISSUES THAT WE'LL ADDRESS 'EM, THEN IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT HIM KNOWING WHAT 
          [01:00:01]
THE PLAN IS OR WHERE HE, WHEN HE READS THIS, IT'S UNFAIR FOR US THAT BE YEAH, WE AGREE OR WE DON'T, IT'S UNFAIR TO BRING IT UP AT THIS POINT. 
          THAT'S HIS JOB AND HE'LL ADVISE US WHEN THE TIME COMES. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, AS A RESIDENT WHO WALKS EVERY DAY, SURE, I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          I CAN TELL YOU. 
          WELL, I, IF YOU REMEMBER A LITTLE BIT, I ASKED THAT QUESTION, IS IT BETTER FOR THE STOP SIGNS? ARE THERE NOW? OR DO YOU THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A RED ONE? THEY FEEL THEIR ENGINEER FEELS AT THIS POINT THAT, THAT STOP SIGN THE FOUR-WAY STOP THAT'S THERE NOW IS SUFFICIENT, BUT THEY DON'T WALK THERE EVERY DAY. 
          BUT BRIAN WILL, BRIAN WILL CONFIRM THAT FOR US. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S HIS JOB. 
          AND HE WILL CONFIRM THAT THAT'S A GOOD, THAT, THAT THAT'S SUFFICIENT OR NO, THEY WILL, THEY WILL DEAL WITH THAT. 
          AND ARE YOU ALMOST GETTING HIT ON THE SIDEWALK AT CROSSING? OH, ACROSS THE STOP SIGN I HAVE TO CROSS WHERE THAT STOP SIGN IS, YOU HAVE TO GET DOWN TO THE WALKING AND THEY'RE COMING THROUGH THE STOP SIGN. 
          THEY'RE COMING PRETTY FAST UP THERE AND BARELY STOP. 
          LIKE, I'LL BE HALFWAY. 
          I GOT YOU INTO THE STREET CROSSING. 
          AND WHEN THEY'RE JUST COMING UP TO THE STOP SIGN, THEY'RE ALMOST LIKE RUNNING THE STOP SIGN. 
          EVERYBODY'S IN A RUSH. 
          RIGHT? JERK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OH, OH, WE GOT TWO. 
          DO YOU WANNA GO IN? GOOD EVENING. 
          KRISTEN TROUTMAN 1320 BLACKROCK ROAD RIGHT NEXT DOOR. 
          UM, I TRAVEL MENNONITE AND OLD STATE MULTIPLE TIMES A WEEK. 
          MY MOTHER LIVES FARTHER DOWN OLD STATE. 
          UM, CONCERNS I HAVE. 
          NUMBER ONE IS THE FOUR WAY STOP SIGN INTERSECTION. 
          PEOPLE DO NOT STOP. 
          THEY RUN THOSE STOP SIGNS. 
          I'M GUILTY MYSELF. 
          THEY DO. 
          UM, ESPECIALLY COMING OLD STATE TO TURN LEFT BACK ONTO MENNONITE. 
          IT'S A REALLY WEIRD ANGLE AT THAT INTERSECTION. 
          IT'S A WEIRD, SO PEOPLE, UM, MR. TRAFFIC GUY, THE FOUR WAY STOP SIGN DOESN'T WORK. 
          UM, ANOTHER CONCERN, UH, I MEAN, NOT THAT I LIVE THERE, BUT LIKE I SAID, I LIVE NEXT DOOR AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH INSULATING THREE AND A HALF INCHES DOES, BUT I FREQUENTLY HEAR WEDDING RECEPTIONS AT RIVER CREST. 
          NOW I'M SURE THAT'S, MAYBE IT DOESN'T HAVE THREE AND A HALF INCHES OF INSULATION. 
          I ALSO HEAR THE TRAIN IN PHOENIXVILLE, BUT YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT, UM, I, YOU KNOW, I'M CONCERNED FOR THE NEIGHBORS, LIKE I SAID, KNOWING WHAT I HEAR WHERE I LIVE, SURROUNDED BY THE PARK. 
          AND THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA HAVE THAT LIKE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET OR HOW THE WIND BLOWS BLOWING INTO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND THE OTHER THING IS I SEE ALL THE TREES ALONG MENNONITE AND OLD STATE AND THERE'S A MASSIVE DEER POPULATION. 
          AND FORTUNATELY RIGHT NOW THAT'S ALL OPEN. 
          UM, AND THEY'RE GENERALLY LIKE HANGING OUT RIGHT BY THE ROAD AT NIGHTTIME. 
          AND MY CONCERN IS IF IT'S BUFFERED WITH ALL THOSE TREES, WHICH IS GREAT FOR THE NEIGHBORS, IT'S NOT SO GREAT FOR THE CARS BECAUSE YOU'LL NEVER SEE ALL THE DEER POPPING OUT OF THERE. 
          UM, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOUR AGRICULTURE IS GONNA EVEN HOLD UP OR WORK WITH THE AMOUNT OF DEER. 
          UM, SO I, THEY, IN THEIR PLAN, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A HUNTER SITTING ON THAT CORNER. 
          OKAY, THAT'S GREAT. 
          TREE STAND, WHATEVER EVERY DEER THAT CROSSES THROUGH THAT TREE. 
          YEAH. 
          THE OTHER QUESTION IS, AS FAR AS THE AGRICULTURAL ASPECT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN THROW A, A DONKEY OR WHATEVER IN A FIELD. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT MAKES IT AGRICULTURAL. 
          UM, AND WE ARE POTENTIALLY, OR YOUR PLANTS FOR THIS VINEYARD, IF THE LEFT GREENFIELD IS FOR TENTS AND BOUNCE HOUSES AND THE OTHER ONE'S FOR PASTURE, WHERE'S THE VINEYARD? YOU SEE 'EM AT THE END. 
          NO . 
          YOU DON'T SEE TO THE FAR LEFT THAT, THAT PICK YOUR OWN FLOWERS. 
          YOU SAID, WELL, THERE'S GONNA BE A VINEYARD AND FLOWERS IN THERE TOGETHER. 
          AND GOOD LUCK WITH THE DEER. 
          WELL, WE'RE GONNA, AND THE LAND APPLIES. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE A FENCE AROUND IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT DOESN'T STOP. 
          THE LAND APPLIES. 
          IT JUST IS MY RECOLLECTION THE LAST TIME YOU GUYS WERE HERE. 
          AND IS ANYBODY HERE THAT LIVES ON MENNONITE? 'CAUSE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE RIGHT ALONG MENNONITE, THERE WERE ALL FOR THIS PROGRAM, IF I'M CORRECT IN REMEMBERING THAT, THAT THEY ALL SAID, THIS IS GREAT, THIS IS TERRIFIC. 
          WE'RE ALL FOR IT. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THOSE FOLKS ARE HERE TONIGHT, BUT, UM, I, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SEVERAL HOUSES RIGHT ON MENNONITE, ON CROSS MENNONITE THERE. 
          AND I, I RECALL THEM ALL SAYING, HEY, WE'RE IN. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO YOU BET THEM THAT'S WHY THEY'RE NOT HERE. 
          YEAH, YEAH, YOU BET. 
          WITH 'EM, THEY'RE SATISFIED. 
          THE NOISE WILL BE REDUCED AND THE TRAFFIC WILL BE HANDLED AND ALL THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          COME ON. 
          SO I WAS AT THOSE MEETINGS AND THEY'RE, SORRY SHANNON HETRICK. 
          I'M AT 1 28 FOX RUN DRIVE. 
          UM, I WAS AT THOSE MEETINGS AND THE PEOPLE LIKE THAT WAY ON MENNONITE AND KIND OF A BIT ON THE CORNER OF OLD STATE, THEY WERE OKAY WITH IT. 
          THE PEOPLE RIGHT ALONG HERE ON MENNONITE RIGHT ACROSS FROM IT, WERE NOT OKAY WITH IT. 
          SO, WELL, I, I DON'T REMEMBER. 
          I JUST KNOW THERE WAS A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT CAME THAT NIGHT AND SAID, YEAH, THEY WERE DOWN THE OTHER WAY. 
          WE'RE RIGHT HERE. 
          AND WE WERE OKAY WITH IT. 
          I DON'T, THEY'RE CLOSER TO LIKE THAT. 
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THE NINE OAKS FINE MENNONITE SECTION, WERE OKAY WITH IT. 
          BUT THESE GUYS RIGHT ACROSS, WERE NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I HAVE A FEW THINGS. 
          SOME OF THEM ARE REPETITIVE, THAT STOP SIGN SECTION. 
          UH, IT'S HORRIBLE. 
          LIKE I DRIVE THAT EVERY SINGLE DAY AND TWO CARS WILL RUN THROUGH EVERY SINGLE TIME, EVERY SINGLE TIME. 
          THERE'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH THAT. 
          BUT, UM, I KNOW THAT THIS IS JUST A RENDERING OF THE PICTURE, BUT IT'S REALLY MISLEADING IF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT AREA. 
          AND ALL THOSE TREES AT THE TOP, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A PARK THERE, BUT THAT FENCE IS ACTUALLY THEIR BACKYARD. 
          AND THERE'S, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL GOOGLE MAP, THERE'S JUST A THIN TREE LINE THERE AND IT'S THEIR BACKYARD. 
          ALL THOSE TREES ARE IN THEIR, LIKE, ON THEIR DECKS, MAYBE , LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S HOW CLOSE THEY ACTUALLY WOULD BE. 
          THAT'S REALLY MISLEADING. 
          SO I JUST WANT THAT TO BE CLEAR IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THAT SPACE. 
          UM, AND ALSO HOW FLEXIBLE IS THIS USE? 'CAUSE I'M HEARING AIRBNB, TENT EVENTS, AGRICULTURE, FLOWERS, GRAPES, ANIMALS, WEDDINGS, POSSIBLY PICKLEBALL, SUMMER CAMPS, UM, HORSE FEEDING. 
          LIKE HOW FLEXIBLE IS IT THAT IF IT'S APPROVED FOR AN AN, THEY CAN DO KIND OF ANYTHING ON THERE? IS THAT I, I THINK, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A FAIR ASSESSMENT. 
          I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS JUST ASCERTAIN FROM THEM WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS TENTATIVE, SO RIGHT. 
          WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE AND YOU KNOW, AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, AND AS ZACH SAID, THERE'S GONNA BE RESTRICTIONS PUT ON THIS THING. 
          IT JUST SEEMS THAT THEY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE YET. 
          JEFF, DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT AT ALL OR? UM, I MEAN, I CAN PULL UP THE ORDINANCE. 
          I CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE IT MEMORIZED. 
          ONE SECOND, PLEASE. 
          IT JUST SEEMS THAT THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE AN IDEA OF EVERYTHING THAT'S GONNA BE GOING ON, SO, WELL, I THINK THEY DO. 
          I THINK THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, STAY OPEN TO IT. 
          I, YOU KNOW, SAY, HEY, OKAY, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT, AND SOME OF THESE MAY NOT WORK. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, SOME OF IT MAY NOT WORK. 
          YEAH. 
          UNDER THE R ONE ZONING DISTRICT, YOU'RE PERMITTED TO HAVE AGRICULTURAL USES, WHICH IN AND OF ITSELF IS VERY BROAD. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE HORSES, YOU CAN HAVE GRAPES, YOU CAN GROW CORN, YOU CAN GROW WHATEVER. 
          THERE ARE A LOT OF SUBSIDIARY USES THAT ARE THEN ALSO ENCOMPASSED WITHIN THE AGRICULTURAL USE. 
          YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE A FARM STAND. 
          YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE ALL THESE OTHER DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF IT. 
          AND IN A CERTAIN WAY, AGRI IS KIND OF SUBSUMED UNDER AGRICULTURAL USE. 
          YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING. 
          YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE, UH, THINGS LIKE A GREENHOUSE, UH, A NON RE NON-COMMERCIAL RECREATION USES, INCLUDING GOLF, TENNIS, AND SWIMMING CLUBS. 
          THAT'S WHERE THE PICKLEBALL THAT'S PERMITTED BY SPECIAL EXCEPTION. 
          SO ALL OF THE USES THAT HAVE KIND OF BEEN DISCUSSED ARE WITHIN THE GENERAL PARAMETERS OF WHAT'S ALLOWED UNDER THE ZONING ORDINANCE. 
          RIGHT. 
          I JUST WASN'T SURE HOW FLEXIBLE, 'CAUSE THEY HAD MENTIONED IN PREVIOUS MEETING HAUNTED HAY RIDES AND THINGS LIKE THAT TOO. 
          AND I THINK OF MEME ARMS AND THE TRAFFIC AND THE PARKING THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, SO PENNSYLVANIA LAW IS EXTREMELY PROTECTIVE OF AGRICULTURAL USES. 
          AND THEY'VE BASICALLY SAID THAT WHEN YOU OPERATE AN AGRICULTURAL USE OR EVEN A PROPERTY THAT'S PERMITTED TO BE USED AS AN AGRICULTURAL PURPOSE, YOU HAVE AGRICULTURE GOING ON ON THE PROPERTY, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO OTHER EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ARE INTENDED TO KIND OF PROMOTE AND ENCOURAGE THEIR AGRICULTURAL USE TO REMAIN AND TO BE VIABLE ON THE PROPERTY. 
          SO A LOT OF THAT STUFF, THE HAY RIDES, THE, YOU KNOW, PUMPKIN PATCHES, LIKE ALL THAT STUFF IS ALL KIND OF SUBSUMED WITHIN THE AGRICULTURAL USE. 
          I DON'T KNOW ANY INTENTION TO ANY OF THAT STUFF HERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT VERY BROAD HERE. 
          IT WAS JUST ALL LISTED. 
          IT WAS SO BROAD THAT I WAS, I WAS WONDERING HOW BROAD YOU COULDN'T GO. 
          LIKE HOW FAR CAN YOU PUSH IT? THAT'S ALL HORSES. 
          LIKE WE HAD HORSES THERE BEFORE THAT. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S COMMON THERE. 
          UM, I HAD ONE MORE THING, AND I KNOW THIS IS NOT ABOUT PICKLE WALL. 
          I'M JUST THIS, AND THIS IS JUST MORE CURIOUS FOR YOU. 
          I'M CURIOUS. 
          SO IF THERE, IMAGINE HOW YOU WERE SUCCESSFUL AND THIS WAS GREAT AND YOU HAD WEDDINGS EVERY WEEKEND, AND LIKE YOUR BUSINESS WAS JUST BOOMING AND FRIDAYS AND SATURDAY, YOUR WEDDINGS AND YOU HAVE TO CANCEL THE PICKLEBALL. 
          THESE ARE PAYING MEMBERS OF A CLUB. 
          HOW DO YOU WELL, THAT, I CAN ANSWER THAT. 
          THAT'LL, THAT'LL BE PART OF THE, UM, THAT WILL BE PART OF THE MEMBERSHIP. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU'RE A MEMBER, YOU HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON THE FACT THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ALLOWED TO USE THIS FACILITY. 
          IF THERE'S ANOTHER EVENT GOING ON, ON A WEEKEND, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT IT, THAT WILL MAX OUT THE USE OF THE PARKING. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          SO THAT'LL BE PUT, THAT'LL BE PART OF THEIR, WHAT WE WRITE UP FOR THEIR MEMBERSHIP. 
          IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          THEY MIGHT JUST NOT GET TO USE THEIR MEMBERSHIP. 
          BUT YOU I'M SORRY, COULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT? I'M SORRY. 
          THEY, I'M JUST THINKING LIKE THEY MIGHT NOT GET TO USE THEIR MEMBERSHIP IF THERE'S SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS IN OTHER AREAS. 
          YEP. 
          THEN THEY CAN, CAN THEIR MEMBERSHIP. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO NOT IDEAL FOR MR. GAMBONE, BUT THAT'S, YOU JOIN A CLUB THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE RESTRICTIONS GOING INTO IT. 
          IT'S ALSO, THESE ARE LARGELY OPERATIONAL 
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QUESTIONS JUST IN TERMS OF THEY'RE OPERATING BUSINESS. 
          THEY'RE TRYING TO HAVE THAT BUSINESS BE SUCCESSFUL. 
          WE DON'T GET TOO FAR INTO THE WEEDS OF HOW THEY OPERATE, AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT DISTURBING THEIR NEIGHBORS, THEY'RE COMPLYING WITH THE ORDINANCES, THOSE REQUIREMENTS, WHATEVER MODEL THEY WANT TO DO IN TERMS OF MEMBERSHIP, ALL OF THAT. 
          THAT'S WAY, BUT THAT WAS JUST ME BEING CURIOUS. 
          LIKE I AM GETTING INTO THE WEEDS, I THINK, 'CAUSE I'M BLURRY RIGHT THERE . 
          AND SO IT, IT'LL AFFECT ME EVENTUALLY. 
          WE HOPE YOU REMEMBER SHARON, SHANNON? SHANNON, HE HBT. 
          ARE YOU DONE, MA'AM? YES. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? WE SHOULD IT. 
          DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE COMING IN? OKAY. 
          OH, YOU'RE, IS THAT, ARE YOU OKAY? YOU'RE COMING UP? SURE. 
          YOU WERE JUST ADJUSTING. 
          NO, NO, I'M FINE. 
          OFF TO SPEAK. 
          UH, BUILT OUT ON THE BLACK ROCK ROAD. 
          UH, I HAVE A KIND OF A QUESTION ABOUT THE BUSINESS. 
          UH, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH AGRICULTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IF THE VENUE DOES NOT MAKE ENOUGH MONEY, WILL THE AGRICULTURAL PART OF IT, OF THE BUSINESS CARRY THE REST, CARRY THE LOSSES FOR BECAUSE BECAUSE I KNOW AGRICULTURE HOW MUCH IT TAKES TO KEEP GOING AND YOU CANNOT, IT IS SO HARD TO BE IN THE, THE AGRICULTURAL BUSINESS THAT YOU HAVE TO GO ELSEWHERE. 
          I SOLD MY PLACE BECAUSE I HIRE ACCOUNTS. 
          I'M, WE'RE WAITING FOR THEM TO PROVE CANNABIS. 
          YEAH. 
          , YOU DON'T EVEN WANT TO GO THERE. 
          NO, WE DIDN'T SAY THAT. 
          WE REALLY DON'T, MR. TRAPMAN. 
          WE REALLY DON'T KNOW. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S, WE JUST, I'M JUST THROWING THIS OUT HERE. 
          SO I'M JUST GOING FROM MY EXPERIENCE BEING IN AGRICULTURE. 
          LISTEN, WE, WE, WE HAVE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE STUDIES. 
          UH, WE, WE, WE'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, MADE SURE WE, UH, FOLLOWED ALL THAT UP WITH THE DEMOGRAPHICS ENEMY. 
          SO LISTEN AND SOME PRAYER. 
          SO THE WORD I THINK TO WHAT ZACH SAID IS THAT THOSE ARE, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS AN OPERATIONAL THING. 
          YES. 
          THAT, BUT I, I, I WANTED TO PUT IT OUT TO YOU GUYS. 
          IT'S NOT OUR JOKE. 
          IT'S A GOOD POINT THOUGH. 
          GOOD QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, OH, AND BY THE WAY, GRAPES DO NOT GROW VERY WELL IN THIS AREA. 
          I CAN POINT YOU TO A VINEYARD. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          YOU GUYS CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION SOMEHOW. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, ALRIGHT. 
          THAT'S ALL MY COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? ANYBODY ELSE REALLY ABOUT THE OPERATION? NOT THE, ABOUT THE SKETCH, NOT ABOUT OPERATION, EMAILS ON THE BOARD ANY FURTHER? UH, FOLLOW UP ZACH, WHAT DO WE DO HERE? UH, I MEAN AT THIS POINT WE WOULD JUST BE LOOKING FOR A POTENTIAL REP, UH, RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          UH, WHETHER THEY SUPPORT THE CONDITION, USE APPLICATION, WHETHER YOU OPPOSE IT, WHETHER YOU JUST WANNA REMAIN NEUTRAL AND LEAVE IT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. 
          UM, ULTIMATELY IT'S JUST, IT'S THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR'S JOB TO HEAR THE EVIDENCE THEY PUT IN DURING THE HEARING. 
          BUT, UM, THEY'LL CERTAINLY TAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION UNDER CONSIDERATION. 
          YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          SO, UM, DO WE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT DID THEY PROPOSE CONDITIONS I MISSED? WE HAD NOT PUT TOGETHER CONDITIONS YET. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING JEFF AND I NEED TO PUT TOGETHER. 
          AND, AND LARGELY IT WILL PROBABLY BE BASED ON THIS CONVERSATION. 
          WE'LL PUT, WE'LL PUT SOME CONDITIONS IF YOU GUYS HAVE IDEAS OF CONDITIONS THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE OR THAT YOU THINK SHOULD BE INCLUDED. 
          I THINK THAT'D BE VERY, I THINK, I THINK YOU HEARD WHAT WE HEARD. 
          YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, WE, I THINK WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE THAT THE NOISE, THE LIGHTS, THAT KIND OF STUFF IS ALL WE'RE TRYING TO TRAFFIC. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT THAT. 
          THAT MAKES IT PARKING. 
          I THINK WE ALL HEARD THAT. 
          IF I MAY, I HAVE ONE QUESTION FROM MR. CLEMENT. 
          WILL YOU BE ASKING FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE SKETCH APPROVAL AT DECEMBER 1ST? OR ARE YOU JUST LOOKING FOR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL? JUST THE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE'LL COME BACK FOR A SECOND SESSION FOR 10 SKETCH IN THE FUTURE? YES. 
          I THINK THAT'S ONCE WE GET THE PICKLEBALL QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY, THEN, THEN, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S ALRIGHT. 
          YEAH, THAT WE DEFINITELY WANNA DO THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, THAT'S FINE. 
          I WAS JUST MAKING SURE WE WERE LINING UP THE RIGHT RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          I THINK FROM MY END, I WOULDN'T WANT TO SUPPORT A CONDITIONAL APPLICATION YET WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE, WHICH I THINK SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE GONNA COOK UP. 
          MM-HMM . 
          NOW WE DO HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED FOR THE 19TH, ZACH AND I CAN PRESENT THAT TO YOU. 
          I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD NECESSARILY NEED TO ATTEND BECAUSE WE WILL BE DISCUSSING THEM WITH YOU WHILE IN ADVANCE OF THAT. 
          BUT WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH YOU THEN IF YOU, IF YOU, WELL AGAIN, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO CONDITIONAL USE FOR IF, IF, IF YOU, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO TABLE, UM, MAKING A RECOMMENDATION UNTIL JEFF AND I HAVE PUT TOGETHER CONDITIONS 
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AND PROBABLY RUN IT BY MIKE, UH, AHEAD OF TIME AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THEY'RE GENERALLY IN AGREEMENT WITH THOSE CONDITIONS. 
          UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IF, IF WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING ELSE, WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON? A CONDITIONAL USE HURRY. 
          YEAH, THAT'S IT. 
          THE ONLY, THE ONLY NO TENANT. 
          NO TENANT, NO TENTATIVE AT THIS POINT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE. 
          I THINK THE, A CONDITIONAL USE, THE APPLICANT WANTS TO GET ALL THEIR ZONING SQUARED AWAY FIRST RIGHT. 
          BEFORE THEY START DOWN THE SALVO PATH. 
          SO I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          WELL I THINK THAT, UH, WELL I'LL TAKE A MOTION OR UH, UH, WHATEVER ANYBODY WANTS TO BE, BUT, UM, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING HERE THAT WOULD, WOULD LIMIT MOVING THE CONDITIONAL USE FORWARD. 
          WELL, WELL AS, AS KEVIN SAID, I MEAN, I'D, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE THAT WE WANT TO PLACE ON THIS CONDITIONAL USE. 
          WELL, THERE ARE ONLY RECOMMENDATIONS, AGAIN, YOU'RE NOT PLACING ANY CONDITIONS ON THAT'S UP TO THE BOARD TO PLACE ON THERE. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I THINK, I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTH NOTING WHAT, SUMMARIZING WHAT WE'VE HEARD AND WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED, PUT IT INTO THE FORM OF THESE ARE THE CONDITIONS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO APPLY TO THIS USE. 
          WE CAN TELL AND, AND, AND THEREFORE GIVE THAT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AS A PACKAGE. 
          BUT WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE. 
          YOU CAN VOTE TO, TO APPROVE THIS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THESE CONDITIONS NEED TO BE APPROVED BY THE BOARD. 
          THEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE YET. 
          WELL, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE, BUT WE DO THAT. 
          WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE. 
          WE SAID, HEY, YOU'VE GOT, YOU COULD MOVE THIS FORWARD WITH THE IDEA THAT THESE CONDITIONS ARE MET. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I, BEFORE I THINK IF, IF, IF THERE'S A DESIRE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO JUST HOLD OFF AND THEY WANT TO SEE AND YOU GUYS WANNA SEE CONDITIONS, THAT'S FINE. 
          I, I DON'T, WE'RE, AS JEFF SAID, WE'RE NOT UNDER ANY TIME CRUNCH. 
          THE HEARING ON THIS IS GONNA BE UNTIL DECEMBER 1ST. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING BEFORE THAT HAPPENS. 
          SO I, I I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM IF YOU GUYS JUST WANNA SAY, HEY, LET'S TABLE THIS FOR NOW. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL BACK ON THE AGENDA FOR THE 19TH. 
          I, I AGREE. 
          I MEAN THAT'S FINE IF THAT'S THE VOTE, BUT I THINK WHAT I'M SAYING IS SOMEBODY NEEDS TO PUT A MOTION FOR EITHER THAT WAY OR TO SAY LET'S APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE WITH THE CAVEAT THAT THESE UH, CONDITIONS HAVE TO BE, UH, APPROVED BY THE BOARD. 
          SO EITHER ONE. 
          SO SOMEBODY WANT TO DO THAT, THEN WE CAN VOTE ON WHATEVER THAT MOTION IS AND IF THAT ONE PASSES FINE. 
          IF IT DOESN'T, THEN WE CAN VOTE ON THE OTHER ONE. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA RECOMMEND A CONDITION YOU'LL USE TO THE SUPERVISORS WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE. 
          SO WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS I NEED A PROPOSAL. 
          I NEED A MOTION. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          BUT THERE'S NO ACTION, WHICH WOULD BE NO MOTION. 
          I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO SAVE AT THIS TIME. 
          YEAH, I MEAN YOU COULD MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE IT. 
          YES. 
          TABLE THE APPLICATION. 
          THAT'S STILL A MOTION. 
          ANY COMMISSION MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE HAVE ONE MOTION ON THE, UH, IN FRONT OF US THAT WE TABLE THIS STILL THE 19TH, JEFF, IS THAT YES, THE 19TH. 
          UM, OR, OR NOT. 
          SO DO I HAVE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          SO I'LL TAKE A VOTE. 
          IT'S YES. 
          UM, THAT WE WOULD TABLE IT OR NO? AND I'M NOT SURE IF WE'RE SAYING NO. 
          WHAT'S THAT MEAN MEANS? WELL NO, WOULD JUST BE YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE MOTION TABLE. 
          AND THEN IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION? I I I THINK WE JUST SPOKE BECAUSE MAJORITY THAT WANTS TO THIS TABLE. 
          ALRIGHT, SO, SO WE'LL TAKE A VOTE AND, UM, TO TABLE IT OR TO TAKE ANOTHER MOTION IF WE VOTE. 
          NO. 
          SO, UM, WHAT'S YOUR VOTE? I NEED A VOTE. 
          YAY OR NAY. 
          TABLE IT. 
          THAT'S THE VOTE. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          WE HAVE NO MOTION TABLE. 
          WE HAVE THE MOTION THE TABLE. 
          WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          SO YES OR NO? YES, YES, YES, YES. 
          NO. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO I'M GONNA SAY NO. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS HERE. 
          THAT IS A BEAUTIFUL PICTURE. 
          IT REALLY IS NICE. 
          UM, BUT WELL, WE WILL HAVE YOU, I MEAN, MOTIONS MADE. 
          IT'S TABLED. 
          WE'LL, WE WILL HAVE YOU ON, BUT WE'LL TALK TO MIKE. 
          YOU MAY NOT HAVE TO BE HERE FOR IT. 
          'CAUSE I THINK ONCE WE GET THE CONDITIONS WORKED OUT, IT FAIRLY ADMINISTRATIVE. 
          YEAH, I DON'T THINK THE CON I THINK YOU'RE THAT'S FINE. 
          CERTAINLY WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CONDITIONS. 
          YOU CERTAINLY HAVE EXPRESSED THAT TO US TONIGHT. 
          AND I THINK, AND, AND WHAT WE'LL DO, UH, IF FOR THE BOARD'S EDIFICATION, WE WILL, UH, WORK WITH YOUR, YOUR ATTORNEY AND YOUR PLANNER. 
          WE MAY NOT AGREE WITH EVERYTHING AND WE MAY, AND WHATEVER, WE WILL GET BACK TO YOU VERY CLEARLY AS TO WHAT CONDITIONS WE'LL ACCEPT. 
          AND THEN YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT'S FINE. 
          IS THAT OKAY? OH YEAH. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          IT IS AN EXPENSIVE DRAGGING EVERYBODY OUT IF YOU NEED TO. 
          YEAH, LET'S, LET'S 
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DO IT THAT WAY SOMEHOW. 
          FIGURE OUT, OH, WE DID NOT DO THAT. 
          I, I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT DRAGGING EVERYBODY OUT. 
          WELL THEN HOPEFULLY THIS IS JUST A FORMALITY THAT COMES, YOU KNOW, WELL, THAT THEY WILL BE FIRST ON THE, YOU'LL ALSO BE FIRST ON THE AGENDA RIGHT AFTER THE THERE WON'T BE MINUTES. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'LL KNOW WAY AHEAD OF THE MEETING ON THE 19TH WHERE WE ARE. 
          RIGHT. 
          IF IT LOOKS LIKE WE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THAT'LL BE A FORMALITY AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DECEMBER 1ST RECOMMENDATION OF THE SUPERVISOR. 
          WELL, THEY WILL, THEY WILL BE ADVERTISED FOR THAT. 
          SO NO MATTER WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS, YOU ARE ADVERTISED, YOU WILL BE ADVERTISED FOR THAT CONDITIONAL USE HEARING ON THE FIRST. 
          THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION. 
          YOU WILL, THAT ADVERTISING HAS TO TAKE PLACE WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE OR 10 DAYS AND NOTIFICATION. 
          SO YOU WILL BE ON THAT DATE. 
          PERFECT. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE BOARD CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OR NOT MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR AGAINST OR NEUTRAL OR WHATEVER. 
          BUT YOU, WE ASK IF YOU DO THAT WE'LL POINT YOU OFF OF THAT AGENDA IS YOU WE DO THAT ON THE 19TH, OTHERWISE THE BOARD DOESN'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION. 
          IT IS BEEN PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SOUNDS GREAT. 
          JUST CURIOSITY, WHERE'S YOUR, UH, ZONING AT? WHERE'S THAT? IT'S APPROVED THE ENTERTAINMENT THAT'S BEEN APPROVED. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU GENTLEMEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS EVERYONE. 
          [DISCUSSION: FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]
OKAY, MOVING ON. 
          FUTURE AGENDA. 
          JEFF, HOLD ON. 
          I GOTTA SWITCH BACK TO PRESENTATIONS. 
          WHEN YOU HAVE TWO PRESENTATIONS, THEY MESS EACH OTHER UP. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO OCTOBER 15TH MEETING WAS CANCELED AS WE KNOW. 
          UM, YES. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I'LL PROBABLY COLLECT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THE, UM, NOVEMBER 19TH. 
          NOW WE HAVE ONE OTHER THING TO ADD TO THAT AGENDA, BUT LOVER'S LANE IN COLLEGEVILLE ROAD, MULTI-FAMILY. 
          I KNOW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT HAVING THEM ON THIS MEETING ORIGINALLY. 
          UH, LOVER'S LANE HAS NOT PROVIDED ALL THE INFORMATION THEY NEED TO. 
          SO THEY STILL HAVE SOME ENGINEERING QUESTIONS OUT THERE. 
          COLLEGEVILLE MULTI-FAMILY, THEY GOT THEIR PLANS IN A LITTLE BIT LATER THAN WHEN WE HOPE IS, IS THE, UH, LOVE'S LANE, IS THAT POTENTIALLY OFFERED NOVEMBER 19TH? POTENTIALLY IT TIME IS SLIPPING BY RATHER QUICKLY FOR THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I UM, THERE'S A CHANCE THAT THEY MIGHT GET PUSHED, BUT IT JUST SHOWS THE MPC EXPIRATION IS DECEMBER 1ST. 
          RIGHT. 
          I I STILL HAVE THAT. 
          I DON'T HAVE AN EXTENSION. 
          SO BARRING AN EXTENSION LETTER BETWEEN NOW AND THEN THEY WILL BE ON THE 19TH. 
          YEAH, WE WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO KEEP IT ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE IF WE DON'T GET THE EXTENSION, WE NEED TO HAVE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          SO FOR THE BOARD, IF THEY DO PULL OFF, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO WE DO? NOTHING. 
          IF THEY, IF THEY, IF THEY DO GIVE ME A LETTER EXTENDING PAST DECEMBER 1ST TO A DATE IN THE FUTURE THAT WORKS WITH OUR SCHEDULE, UM, THEY WILL, THEY WILL JUST COME OFF THE AGENDA AND THEN I WILL TELL YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING WHEN THAT AGENDA WILL BE AND WHAT THEY'VE EXTENDED THEMSELVES TO. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT MY POINT IS, IF, IF THEY PULL OFF WHAT ELSE IS ON FOR THE 19TH? THE COLLEGEVILLE ROAD MULTIFAMILY, THE HIGH REAL ESTATE AT, AT PERO AND WOODS AND, UM, AND 29 THAT IS ON THERE. 
          THEY GET THEIR INFORMATION. 
          I MEAN, IT'S THE FIRST PRELIMINARY PLAN. 
          THEY'VE COME BACK WITH SOME CHANGES. 
          SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF, UM, REVIEWING THAT. 
          I, I THINK WE'RE ACTUALLY, I THINK YOU ISSUED YOUR REVIEW . 
          YEAH. 
          SHE'S ISSUED YOUR REVIEW. 
          SO THEY HAD ASKED US TO BE ON THE, THE 19TH BECAUSE IT WAS A MORE CONVENIENT FOR THEM. 
          SO THOSE WILL BE THE TWO ITEMS ON THAT AGENDA. 
          DECEMBER 2ND. 
          UM, OR DECEMBER 3RD. 
          I THINK WE WANNA START TALKING 2026 GOALS AND TASKS. 
          WE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, THE, THE RIDGE PIPE ZONING. 
          I HAVE NOT GOTTEN VERY FAR ON THAT. 
          YOU SAY WHERE, WHERE DOES THAT STAND? WELL, BASED ON OTHER WORK, OTHER ISSUES. 
          MY, MY, MY WORKLOAD HASN'T ALLOWED ME TO SIT DOWN AND REALLY PLOW THROUGH THAT. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTS TO MAKE THAT A PRIORITY. 
          BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT GOALS AND TASKS AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO FOR 2026 SO WE CAN KIND OF LINE THAT UP AND, AND SO WE'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE, A LITTLE BIT ORGANIZED. 
          THAT KIND OF LEADS US BARRING ANY OTHER APPLICATIONS OR ANY OTHER IMMEDIATE. 
          WHAT ABOUT THE ONE YOU SENT US THIS WEEK? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE ON THAT? THERE IS NO TIME. 
          THEY, THEY'VE GIVEN ME AN UNLIMITED EXTENSION. 
          THAT'S THE, UM, OH MY GOSH. 
          SPRING FORWARD WALK, WHICH IS 26 TOWNHOUSES ADJACENT TO FOX FORD'S EDGE, FORD'S EDGE FOX RUN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M GLAD'S HERE. 
          UM, ADJACENT TO FORD'S EDGE OVER BY SPRING FORD HIGH SCHOOL. 
          UM, THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THE ZONING HEARING BOARD PROCESS. 
          I THINK THEY CAME IN FRONT OF YOU FOR THE PART OF THAT THEY'VE, FOX RUN IS SELLING A PORTION OF THEIR PROPERTY THAT FORD'S EDGE THAT IS NOT 
          [01:25:01]
DE RESTRICTED FOR OPEN SPACE. 
          AND THEY'RE USING SOME OF THAT MONEY TO IMPROVE THAT THEIR HOUSES, 'CAUSE THEIR HOUSES ARE A LITTLE RUN DOWN AND HAVE SOME ISSUES. 
          WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT. 
          AND THEN THEY'RE BUILDING 20, WHAT WOULD BE 26 NEW UNITS THERE. 
          SO THAT'S STARTING THE PROCESS. 
          THAT'S A TENTATIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT SAYS PRELIMINARY IN THE APPLICATION, BUT REALLY THEY HAVE TO GO TENTATIVE AT THIS POINT. 
          BUT THERE'S NO TIMELINE, FRED, THERE'S NO TIMELINE ON THAT. 
          I'VE SPOKEN WITH THEIR ENGINEER AND THAT DEVELOPER, THEY FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ON ANY AGENDA UNTIL JANUARY. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SO, SO THEN YOU TALK ABOUT DECEMBER 17TH. 
          DECEMBER 17TH AGAIN, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S WAIT MAYBE TILL 19TH BEFORE WE OKAY. 
          MAKE A DECISION ON THAT. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          SO YEAH, THERE, THE ONLY OTHER PLAN THAT I KNOW IS COMING IN IS THE FINAL LAND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR QUEST FOR WHAT'S CALLED THE DISTRICT OF BLACKROCK. 
          NOW THAT ONE WILL BE IN, WHAT'S IT CALLED? DISTRICT AT BLACKROCK DISTRICT. 
          IS THAT A SIMILAR IN THE LETTER? DID THEY SPELL IT OUT? I THINK THEY SPELLED IT AS OKAY. 
          THERE'S ONE BY THE HIGHWAY WHERE THEY HAVE THE OH YEAH, I SEE THAT. 
          THAT'S RIDICULOUS. 
          UM, THAT ONE. 
          BUT THEY ALSO KNOW THAT ANY APPLICATIONS AND ACTUALLY ANYBODY WHO'S PUT IN EVEN A CONVERSATION ON AN APPLICATION, THEY KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING TO ANYTHING UNTIL JANUARY. 
          FIRST OF ALL, WE DON'T HAVE ANY BOARD BEINGS AFTER THE EIGHTH, SO THEY'RE NOT EVEN GONNA GET APPROVED BY THE BOARD. 
          AND SECONDLY, IT'S GETTING WITH CHRISTMAS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, JUST STAFF TIME IS NOT WORKING OUT. 
          WHAT ABOUT THE UH, UH, LUNCHEON? THE LUNCHEON IS JEN . 
          WELL, IT'S DECEMBER 18TH UNLESS ZACH HAS NO DECEMBER 18TH. 
          THAT'S A THURSDAY. 
          IT'S A THURSDAY. 
          IT'S A THURSDAY. 
          I'LL CHECK WITH MY ASSISTANT. 
          . 
          WE'LL, WE'LL WE'VE LOCKED DOWN THE DATE, BUT WE'LL SEND THAT OUT AND, AND MAKE IT OFFICIAL. 
          I CAN DIG THROUGH MY EMAIL, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THE 18TH TO THE RIGHT, IT'S FOR SURE THE 18TH. 
          THE ALTERNATE OF THE 15TH. 
          SO WE WERE STICKING WITH THE OLD PROFESSIONALS DON'T WANT FOR THE PC STAFF. 
          THE YOUNGEST MEMBER OF THE PC HAS TO PAY A FOURTH . 
          I AM, UH, SURPRISINGLY OLD FOR HOW I LOOK. 
          NO, NO. 
          THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          HE WAS, I THINK HE WAS PUTTING KEVIN ON THE SPOT AND, AND, AND SAID WE'RE AT LOCK 29. 
          ARE YOU GONNA GO 29? YEAH, THAT'S NICE. 
          PLACE DOWN THE HELL AND ROLL RIGHT BACK UP. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME TO DRINK. 
          THAT'S VERY NICE PLACE. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE THE EAC MEETING ON THE 19TH. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT AGENDA'S SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THE, THE DECEMBER 3RD MEETING, 2026 GOALS AND TASKS. 
          AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT FROM THE EC STANDPOINT. 
          SO THAT WILL BE THE PLAN FOR THAT MEETING. 
          YEAH, THAT'S ALWAYS INTERESTING. 
          SO CAN I ASK A QUESTION? SURE. 
          ZACH, WHAT'S THE PROCEDURE FOR GETTING TO YOU AND JEFF? POSSIBLE CONDITIONS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FOR THAT, THAT PREVIOUS PLAN. 
          I MEAN, I, I THINK YOU GUYS ALL HAVE JEFF'S EMAIL ADDRESS. 
          HE WON'T GIVE IT TO US. 
          HE WON'T GIVE IT TO US. 
          I MEAN, IT IS AVAILABLE ON THE TOWNSHIP WEBSITE. 
          GOD DON'T I KNOW THAT. 
          JUST SHOW EMAIL . 
          HE'S NOT A HARD MAN TO FIND. 
          I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE BEST WAY, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO WRITE DOWN SOME CONDITIONS AND SUBMIT THEM TO US, I WOULD JUST EMAIL HIM DIRECTLY TO JEFF. 
          UM, I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO GIVE YOU MY EMAIL ADDRESS IF YOU WANT IT. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, HE'S ON, HE'S ON THE SAME EMAIL WHEN I SENT OUT A PLAN. 
          YEAH. 
          MATT, HIM, EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM. 
          YEAH, WE WE HAVE IT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO GIVE IT TO US. 
          JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING PROPERLY COMMUNICATION WISE. 
          YEP. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          I I'LL TAKE A MOTION. 
          OH, HOLD IT. 
          SORRY. 
          CAN I, I HAVE, UH, IT WASN'T THE AGENDA. 
          I MEAN DO SURE. 
          JUST, UH, I'M THE AL SHARPIER 18 WILSON WAY. 
          THERE WAS A COUPLE, LIKE A MONTH OR TWO AGO, THERE WAS A DEVELOPMENT ON HASSAN AND WILSON THAT, UM, AND I'VE BEEN WAITING TO SEE WHEN IT WOULD COME BACK FROM THE AGENDA SO WE COULD, UH, SOME NEIGHBORS WOULD VOICE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, UM, A BACKWARD HOUSE THAT'S BEING KIND OF PUSHED INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN ALSO THE, UH, THE WATER POTENTIAL ISSUE THAT'S THERE. 
          BUT I, I DON'T KNOW WHEN I DIDN'T SEE IT ON THE AGENDA HERE. 
          WELL, THAT'S JUST THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA. 
          THEY'LL BE THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S MADE THEIR DETERMINATION ON IT. 
          THEY'VE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR IT WITH A LOT OF CONDITIONS AND A LOT OF ISSUES THAT THEY NEED TO RESOLVE, WHICH WE PASS IT WITH THE CONDITION. 
          YEAH. 
          WITH, BUT THEY, UM, SO IT'LL BE ON THE BOARD AGENDA FOR DECEMBER 1ST. 
          OKAY. 
          FULL DISCLOSURE, OUR SON'S PLAYING THE SAME BASEBALL TEAM  FOR WHATEVER THAT'S WORTH. 
          UM, SO NOT MUCH? NO. 
          GOTCHA. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT WILL BE DECEMBER 1ST. 
          THAT MEETING STARTS AT SIX O'CLOCK, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN OUR NORMAL MEETING, BUT DECEMBER 1ST, MONDAY, DECEMBER 1ST. 
          GOTCHA. 
          THAT WILL BE ON THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'VE A TENTATIVELY APPROVED GOTCHA. 
          AND SEND IT TO, WITH, WITH FIVE CONDITIONS 
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RECOMMENDED, RECOMMENDED. 
          THIS IS A RECOMMENDING BODY AND THEY ALWAYS SAY APPROVED. 
          AND I GET IT. 
          I SAY THE SAME THING. 
          THEY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, TO THE BOARD. 
          THE BOARD TAKES THAT RECOMMENDATION UNDER CONSIDERATION AND THEY WILL ASK THE SAME TYPE OF QUESTIONS THAT THIS BOARD ASKED. 
          RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, I GUESS DOES THERE ANY WAY TO SEE THOSE CONDITIONS OR? I GUESS I'M, I MEAN, WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE OF THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT COMES THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND THE STREAMS THAT ARE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT FIELD IS PRETTY SWAMPY AS IT IS. 
          AND SO YEAH. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE THAT EVEN, BUT YEAH. 
          JEFF, IS IT THE WAY, IS IT ON THE WEBSITE OR MEETING? I'M LOOKING TO SEE IF IT'S IN, IT'S ON THE, IT'S ON THE MINUTES. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, I HAVEN'T READ THE MINUTES IN A COUPLE WEEKS, SO I DON'T KNOW, BUT THEY'RE HERE. 
          YOU CAN HAVE A COPY OF THIS. 
          THIS IS THE MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, I LOOKED AT THE MINUTES AND I TRY TO STAY ON TOP OF IT. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S WATER THAT'S PUSHING THROUGH THE SIDEWALK. 
          THAT'S HOW MUCH WATER IS HAULED BY THIS FIELD. 
          SO IT'S GOTTA BE VERY CAREFULLY PLANNED IF, UH, IF IT'S NOT GONNA BE A BIG PROBLEM WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND LITERALLY HAVE THOUSANDS FLOAT AWAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN IT, IT BASICALLY SAYS THERE ARE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION ABOUT STEEP SLOPES, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND ITS MAINTENANCE AND GRADING CONCERNS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THOSE, THOSE ARE THE GENERALLY THE CONDITIONS THAT WE'VE PUT ON IT, THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS TO LOOK AT THOSE, WHICH WE PUT ON EVERYTHING THAT GOES THE SAME CONDITIONS AND, AND UNDERSTAND, I, I KNOW YOU AND I HAVE SORT OF HAD THIS CONVERSATION, BUT AT THIS LEVEL IS REALLY JUST A SKETCH PLAN FOR AN IDEA. 
          THE STORMWATER CONTROLS AND MORE SPECIFIC WHERE THAT WATER'S GOING POST-DEVELOPMENT, WHERE IT'S GOING NOW AND POST DEVELOPMENT. 
          THAT'S KIND OF DONE AT THE PRELIMINARY PLAN STAGE. 
          SO THAT'S WHEN THEY DO A LOT OF THE, THE THICKER SET OF PLANS. 
          IT'S MORE ABOUT THE ENGINEERING. 
          THIS IS ABOUT CONCEPTUALLY DOES THE ROAD WORK, DOES THE DRIVEWAY, DO THE DRIVEWAYS WORK, DO THE LOCATION OF THE HOUSES WORK. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ONE OF THOSE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, SO, SO THE SEPARATION POTENTIALLY GETS DISCUSSED AT THE, AT THE DECEMBER. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED AT THAT MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          I COULD I MAKE A COMMENT BEFORE YOU ADJOURN? THIS IS ABOUT THE GAMBONE PROJECT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YOU NOT HERE RIGHT NOW, SO WE CAN'T NO, NO. 
          THIS IS JUST, I FEEL THIS IS A VERY WEAK AGRICULTURAL EVERYTHING. 
          MR. TRUMAN. 
          I'M GONNA STOP YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          WE CAN'T DO THAT. 
          THAT NO PROBLEM PART WENT. 
          YOU SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT. 
          THAT THAT'S AGAINST, THAT'S AGAINST THE SUCH GENERAL. 
          WE CAN'T DO THAT. 
          ONCE THEY LEAVE, I REALIZE I CAN CALL 'EM BACK IN HERE. 
          IF YOU WANNA MAKE THE COMMENT, DON'T BOTHER. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M THEIR MEETING OUT THERE. 
          WE HAVE TO FOLLOW RULES. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          I'LL TAKE THE MEETING TO ADJOURN. 
          I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. 
          BOB MADE A MOTION TO RETURN. 
          I HAVE SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          KEVIN IS SECONDED. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ADJOURN.
* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.