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[CALL TO ORDER]
I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE UPPER PROVIDENCE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MONDAY, OCTOBER 20TH, 2025.PLEASE RISE AS YOU'RE ABLE AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[MOTION TO APPROVE BOARD AGENDA]
OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO APPROVE OUR AGENDA.I ASSUME EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO HAVE A LOOK.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE OCTOBER 20TH, 2025 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS REGULAR MEETING AGENDA.
[SPECIAL PRESENTATION]
UH, WE HAVE A SPECIAL PRESENTATION, BUT BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, I WANTED TO, UH, SAY A WORD OF THANK YOU TO THE FOLKS IN PUBLIC WORKS.THE FOLKS IN THE, ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND IN PARTICULAR THE FOLKS IN, UH, FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES.
UH, TUESDAY THE SEVENTH, WE HAD A TRUCK FIRE OUT HERE ON 4 22 THAT, UH, TURNED OUT TO BE MORE THAN JUST A, A SIMPLE TRACTOR TRAILER FIRE.
IT WAS A TRACTOR TRAILER LOADED WITH, UH, ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT THAT WAS GOING TO A RECYCLER, WE BELIEVE IN BERKS COUNTY.
AND, UH, IN THAT TRUCK THERE WERE STEEL DRUMS, I THINK 16 OF 'EM, WAS IT 16 OR 18? 1855 GALLON DRUMS FILLED WITH, UH, LITHIUM ION BATTERIES.
AND THAT WAS THE SOURCE OF THE FIRE.
AND, UH, IF YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW, BUT THOSE THINGS PUT OUT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TOXIC SMOKE AND OFFGASSING.
AND I WANTED TO THANK OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES FOLKS FOR QUICKLY ASSESSING WHAT WAS IN THE TRUCK BECAUSE IT WAS NOT MARKED PROPERLY.
AND I'LL JUST SAY THE BILL OF LADING WAS, UH, NOT SPECIFIC RIGHT NOW.
SO ANYWAY, WE WERE ABLE TO DETERMINE WHAT, WHAT IT WAS AND COME UP WITH A SOLID PLAN TO KEEP IT AS CONTAINED AS POSSIBLE AND THEN AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, EXTINGUISH THAT FIRE.
AND IT WAS A TOWNSHIP WIDE EFFORT.
AND THE REASON WE HAD TO CLOSE THE ROAD FOR THE ENTIRE DAY, AND MOST OF THE EVENING WAS AFTER WE EXTINGUISHED THE FIRE, THEN ALL OF THAT MATERIAL HAD TO BE REPACKED, PROPERLY
SO ANYWAY, I JUST, I WANNA THANK THE CHIEF AND I WANT TO THANK HIS, UH, TOM DEMLING WHO WAS OUT THERE.
AND I WANT TO THANK A GUY WHO WE DON'T TALK ABOUT, AND YOU CAN TELL HIM TO WATCH THE VIDEO TO HEAR THIS.
BUT DAN SCHAEFER IS OUR MANAGE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR IN TOWNSHIP.
AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHAT, HE IS ABSOLUTELY TOP SHELF, FIRST CLASS, AND I, I NOT, NOT ONLY IN IN INCIDENTS LIKE THIS, BUT I BELIEVE HE'S ACTUALLY CHANGING THE CULTURE OF TOWNSHIP GOVERNMENT AND THE TOWNSHIP ITSELF TOWARDS SAFETY AND EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS.
SO TELL DAN A BIG THANK YOU FOR ME, AND, UH, I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU GUYS DID.
IT WAS OUTSTANDING AND THIS COULD HAVE TURNED INTO A HUGE HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTER FOR US, BUT IT DID NOT BECAUSE OF THE EXPERT WAY IN WHICH OUR, OUR FIRE COMPANY HANDLED THIS.
SO ANYWAY, WE'LL GET ON WITH THAT.
I'M GONNA ASK AL V KNOWS HE TO COME DOWN FRONT.
AND CHIEF RUSSELL AND I HAVE SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO PRESENT.
SHE, I NOT GONNA MAKE YOU TAKE, WE INHOUSE NEXT TO THE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES FACILITY.
THIS PLAQUE IS PROUDLY DEDICATED TO ALBERT VAGNOZZI IN GRATEFUL RECOGNITION OF HIS INSTRUMENTAL ROLE IN ESTABLISHING ROBUST FIRE AND EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES FOR THE RESIDENTS OF UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP.
THROUGH HIS LEADERSHIP, FORWARD LOOKING AND UNWAVERING COMMITMENT TO PUBLIC SAFETY, HE HELPED TURN A VITAL COMMUNITY NEED INTO A LASTING REALITY, STRENGTHENING EMERGENCY SERVICES AND SAFEGUARDING GENERATIONS TO COME.
SO YEAH, SHAKE YOUR HAND, KISS DOWN,
AND, UH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY FOR YOUR OTHER WORDS, WHEN I FIRST CAME ON THE BOARD, AL WAS VERY GENEROUS WITH HIS TIME AND HIS KNOWLEDGE IN GETTING ME UP TO SPEED ON ALL OF THE THINGS RELATED TO FIRE AND POLICE AND AMBULANCE.
AND NOT ONLY DID AL WORK CLOSELY WITH, WITH, UH, UM, UH, SUPERVISOR KELSEY ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND GETTING THE FIREHOUSE BUILT AND BUILDING OUT OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
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BUT, AND THEN AFTER THAT WE WENT AND FOUND A BETTER AMBULANCE, UH, VENDOR TO BE OUR PRIMARY AMBULANCE SUPPLIER IN THE TOWNSHIP.AND WE'VE GONE ON AND STRENGTHENED THAT COMPANY AND I, I JUST COULDN'T BE DELIGHTED.
I I, I WILL TELL YOU, YOU'RE NEVER SAFER THAN WHEN YOU'RE IN UPPER PROVIDENCE AS FAR AS EMERGENCY RESPONSE GOES.
WE, I THINK ARE, ARE THE BEST IN THE REGION, AND THAT'S ON BOTH SIDES OF THE RIVER.
UM, THE BOARD MEMBERS, HELENE, YOU ARE OUTSTANDING TO WORK WITH.
BILL STARLING, I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING.
UM, AND UM, ALSO, UH, LORI HIGGINS AND CAN'T FORGET, LISA MAI AND PHIL BARKER, WHO, WHO EVERYBODY THROUGH THE YEARS, UM, WORKED TOWARDS AT THE SOLUTION WE HAVE TODAY.
UM, WE LIVE IN THE MOST DIFFICULT STATE OF THE UNION TO, TO, UH, IMPROVE EMERGENCY SERVICES.
AND WE LIVE IN THE MOST DIFFICULT REGION, THE MOST DIFFICULT STATE TO DO WHAT WE DID.
AND IT WAS, IT WAS ACCOMPLISHED HERE.
THIS TOWNSHIP IS WELL PROTECTED BECAUSE IT WASN'T, AND A LOT OF COMMUNITIES KNEW TO IMPROVE.
UM, I WAS A POLICE DISPATCHER IN 1989 IN UPPER MERION POLICE.
AND I USED TO ANSWER THE PHONE 'CAUSE THERE WAS NO NINE ONE ONE.
THEN I USED TO ANSWER THE PHONE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, HEART ATTACK, WHATEVER THE ISSUE WAS.
AND I WOULD DISPATCH THE AMBULANCE AND A COUPLE, UH, WITHIN SECONDS THE PHONE WOULD RING AND IT WOULD BE, UH, AN AMBULANCE PERSON WHO WE WOKE UP AND A GUY NAMED PETE, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW HIS LAST NAME.
HE WOULD CALL ALL THE TIME, OKAY, I'M, I'M LEAVING.
HE WOULD LEAVE HIS BED TO GO GET THE AMBULANCE TO GO TO RESPOND TO YOU.
AND 'CAUSE THAT WAS NIGHTTIME.
AND THAT WAS NOT UNUSUAL UNTIL ACTUALLY RECENTLY.
SO, UH, DAYTIME YOU WERE GREAT, BUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, UM, YOU HAD A PROBLEM.
SO, UM, THAT WAS MY, MY MOTIVATION HERE TO DO THAT, TO, UH, TO IMPROVE THE SERVICE.
AND, UH, I SAID MANY TIMES WE EITHER HAVE A FIRE DEPARTMENT AND AMBULANCE, OR WE DON'T.
AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU HERE, THE, AND THE, AND THE TOWNSHIP MANAGERS AND AND WHATNOT THAT YOU LISTENED TO ME.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE, WE MADE THE RIGHT DECISION AS A GROUP.
SO, AND THAT BUILDING IS, IT'S MAGNIFICENT AND IT'S DOING ITS JOB.
ALRIGHT, NOW IS THE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, AND I WOULD INVITE ANYONE WHO WANTS TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT TO COME FORWARD TO THE LECTERN.
UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND THEN TRY TO HOLD YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES IF POSSIBLE.
SEEING NO ONE RISE, WE WILL MOVE ON.
[EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT]
EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT.EXECUTIVE SESSIONS WERE HELD ON SEPTEMBER 30TH, UH, 2025, OCTOBER 7TH, 2025.
AND JUST PRIOR TO TONIGHT'S MEETING, TOPICS DISCUSSED INCLUDE THE REAL ESTATE, COLLECTED, THE BARGAINING UPDATES, AND LABOR COUNCIL INTERVIEWS.
[APPROVAL OF BILL LIST]
HAVE APPROVAL OF THE BILL LIST AND I KNOW EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT.SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SEPTEMBER 1ST THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2025 BILL LIST IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,590,290 AND 60 CENTS.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
WE ALSO HAD, UH, WE HAVE LOTS OF MINUTES FOR WORKSHOPS AND, OH, WELL, I GUESS I ONLY HAVE ONE.IS THAT RIGHT? JUST ONE SO FAR.
BEYOND FURTHER? NO, WE HAVE ONE SET OF MEETING MINUTES TO APPROVE.
SO EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO HAVE A LOOK.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2025 BOARD ADVISOR REGULAR MEETING MINUTES.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE NO PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED THIS EVENING.
[OLD BUSINESS (ACTION/DISCUSSION ITEMS)]
NEXT IT'S ON TO OLD BUSINESS.AND NUMBER NUMBER FOUR ON YOUR AGENDA, CONSIDER ACTING ORDINANCE SIX 15 AMENDING CHAPTER 2 0 9, PARKS AND RECREATION, ESTABLISHING REGULATIONS RELATED TO THE USE OF E-BIKES.
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I GUESS I CAN START.UH, THIS IS A, UH, ORDINANCE THAT WAS KIND OF RECOMMENDED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BASED ON SOME OF OUR CONCERNS WITH E-BIKES.
UM, AND I THINK THE ORDINANCE WAS CATERED AFTER, UM, THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY ORDINANCE, AND I THINK A LOT OF OTHER SURROUNDING TOWNS HAVE DONE THAT.
THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON LAST MONTH'S AGENDA, BUT BECAUSE OF A ADVERTISEMENT ERROR, IT'S ON FOR NINTH.
UM, AND, UH, THANKS TO ZACH, UH, UH, WHO, UH, DRAFTED THE ORDINANCE.
UM, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU, I KNOW YOU HAVE A COPY HERE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? IT'S ANY ISSUES? UH, IT HAS ALL THE, UM, I THINK IT IS DEFENSIBLE IF IT WERE EVER CHALLENGED.
SO IT'LL APPLY TO ALL OF OUR, UH, TRAILS IN OUR, IN THE, IN THE TOWNSHIP, ALL OF OUR, UH, PARKS.
AND IT'LL, IT'LL BE COORDINATED ENFORCEMENT, UH, WITH THE COUNTY, ON THE COUNTY TRAILS.
SO IS IT ON THE STREET AS WELL? EVERYWHERE.
AND THEN HOW DO YOU FORCE IT? LET'S SAY IT'S A 14-YEAR-OLD.
WHAT WOULD BE, AND THIS IS A QUESTION TO RYAN, IS THIS, HOW WOULD THIS BE ENFORCE? WHAT WOULD BE STEPS AND WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE? WE COULD CITE ANYONE.
SPEAKING OF THE, WE CAN CITE ANYONE WHO VIOLATES IT.
WE CAN USE TASK ORDINANCES TO, UH, PROVIDE NON-DRIVING CITATIONS.
THIS IS GONNA REQUIRE RIDERS UNDER THE AGE OF 21 TO WEAR A HELMET TOO, AND OPERATING THESE TYPE OF VEHICLES, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
HOW ARE WE NOTIFYING THE PUBLIC IF THIS GOES IN? THIS GOES THROUGH, UH, IF IT IS PASSED TONIGHT, UM, I DIDN'T WANT TO PRE SAID IT PASSES TONIGHT.
WE'LL, UH, GET THIS IN OUR SOCIAL MEDIA FEEDS AND OUR, UM, EVENINGS, OUR MONTHLY EVENINGS.
SO IT SHOULD ALSO BE ON THE ELECTRONIC, UM, JUST DRIVING, BE ON ALL OF OUR PLATFORMS. I JUST DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THIS PASSES.
AND THEN THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, WE NEVER KNEW THIS WAS THERE, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE GIVING THEM ENOUGH TIME TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN AND, YOU KNOW, YEAH, WE CAN CERTAINLY PUT SOMETHING ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE AND MAKE SURE NICE.
IS IT ALSO FOR LIKE SCOTERS TOO, OR IT JUST BIKES? UH, LET CHECK REAL QUICK.
IT'S, IT COVERS QUITE A BIT OF RECREATIONAL MOTORIZED DEVICE.
UM, SO ONE WHEEL, THE SELF-BALANCING, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE SKATEBOARD THINGS.
UM, MOTORIZED SCOOTERS, SKATE, I MEAN, IT RUNS THE GAMBIT.
WELL, SO WE WONDER, COULD WE PUT SOMETHING AT THE MOUTHS OF THE TRAIL, LIKE DOWN AT THE CHUCO VALLEY, LIKE POST SOMETHING THERE? 'CAUSE PEOPLE DO GET ON THAT TRAIL AND THEN RIDE THEIR E-BIKES.
LIKE THAT'S A GOOD PLACE TO BE LIKE, OKAY, THIS IS A NEW ORDINANCE AND MAYBE A QR CODE WHERE THEY CAN READ MORE ABOUT IT.
I THINK WE HAVE OUR PARK RULES, UM, ERECTED, UM, IN VARIOUS PLACES.
THOSE SIGNS WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO BE UPDATED ANYWAY, UH, TO REFLECT THAT REGULATION.
TIM, I DID SPEAK WITH ZACH AND HE INDICATED THAT, THAT THE SIGNS WOULD BE UPDATED.
SO YOU'LL, YOU'LL INDICATE THAT YOU HAVE THE ORDINANCE IN EFFECT SO PEOPLE KNOW.
SO IF THIS PASSES TONIGHT, WHEN DOES IT ACTUALLY GO INTO EFFECT? IS THERE A TIME PRIOR TO IT ACTUALLY TAKING EFFECT SO THAT PEOPLE ARE NOTIFIED? IT'S IMMEDIATE.
BUT WE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, CONSCIOUS OF THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA IMMEDIATELY START FORCING, THEY WON'T LAY OUT WITH A SLEDGEHAMMER.
WE WOULD EDUCATE FIRST AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF WE SEE FIT FIVE
BUT IT, BUT IT'S ALL ROADS, NOT JUST TRAILS, IT'S EVERYWHERE.
ALRIGHT, IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE SIX 15, ATTEND THAT.
UM, AMENDING CHAPTER 2 0 9 PARKS AND RECREATION ESTABLISHED REGULATIONS RELATED TO THE USE OF COMPLAINTS.
I'LL THAT, ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANYONE OPPOSED? NEXT ON OUR AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER FIVE, REINTRODUCTION OF LENAR DEVELOPMENT OF 1000 CAMPUS DRIVE.
AND IT ASKS US TO POTENTIALLY, UH, IF WE'RE SO INCLINED TO CONSIDER AUTHORIZING ADVERTISEMENT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSED ZONING TAX AMENDMENT.
SO THERE'S SOMEONE HERE FROM THE APPLICANT.
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GOOD EVENING, ALISON ZA ON BEHALF OF LENNAR.UH, WITH ME THIS EVENING ARE MIKE BROWN FROM LENNAR, EMILY STEWART, OUR PLANNER, AND KEN KERNS, WHO IS A REPRESENTATIVE AND BROKER, UH, FOR THE SELLER.
UM, I THINK THE BOARD IS FAMILIAR WITH THIS SITE AT 1000 CAMPUS DRIVE.
WE WERE HERE EARLIER THIS YEAR, UM, PROPOSING A ZONING CHANGE ON THIS SITE.
UM, THAT IS UP ON YOUR SCREEN RIGHT NOW.
UM, THE, THE PROPERTY, IF THE BOARD RECALLS, IS CURRENTLY IMPROVED WITH A VACANT OFFICE BUILDING, UM, WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY USED BY IRON MOUNTAIN.
UM, THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS ALSO APPROVED, UM, UNDER A MASTER PLAN SCENARIO FOR EXPANSION.
UM, OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE EXISTING OFFICE BUILDINGS CURRENTLY APPROXIMATELY 80,000 SQUARE FEET, IT COULD HAVE BEEN, UH, DEVELOPED UP TO 150,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, WITH A, WITH STRUCTURED PARKING.
UH, WE WERE HERE EARLIER THIS YEAR TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE SITE AND AT THAT TIME WE WERE PROPOSING, UM, TWO TYPES OF TOWNHOUSE DWELLING UNITS ON THE SITE.
120 UNITS WERE PROPOSED, UM, IN TWO DIFFERENT, UH, TYPES.
ONE BEING STACKED TOWNHOUSES AND ONE BEING MORE TRADITIONAL TOWNHOUSES, WHICH WE HAD ADJUSTED THROUGH THE COURSE OF OUR CONVERSATIONS TO HAVE A OWNER SUITE ON THE FIRST FLOOR SO THEY, THAT THEY WOULD BE AGE TARGETED.
UM, THE, UH, PLAN THAT YOU'RE SHOW SEEING ON THE SCREEN TONIGHT, AND THERE WERE TWO THINGS THAT WE HAD HEARD FROM YOU AT THAT MEETING, I SHOULD SAY.
THE FIRST WAS THAT YOU THOUGHT, UH, WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING WAS TWO DENTS AND THE SECOND BEING, UM, YOU KNOW, STACK TOWNS VERSUS, UM, TARGETING EACH TARGETED TYPES OF UNITS GIVEN THE IMPACT ON SCHOOL SYSTEM.
SO THE PLAN THAT YOU'RE SEEING IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT REDUCES THE TOTAL DWELLING UNIT COUNT BY 50 UNITS.
UH, SO THAT GOES DOWN FROM 120 TO 70 UNITS, AND ALL OF THE UNITS THAT ARE SHOWN ON THIS PLAN WOULD BE AGE TARGETED WITH AN OWNER SUITE ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
UM, IN GENERAL, JUST LIKE THE PLAN WE SHOWED YOU PREVIOUSLY, UM, THERE ARE TWO ESTABLISHED ACCESS POINTS TO 1000 CAMPUS DRIVE.
WE WOULD STILL BE UTILIZING THAT ROAD NETWORK AND THE LAYOUT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE LAYOUT OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, UM, AND PARKING AREAS TODAY, UH, THERE IS SOME STORM WATER MANAGEMENT ON SITE.
ADDITIONAL STORM WATER MANAGEMENT WOULD BE ADDED IN ACCORDANCE WITH YOUR ORDINANCES.
UM, I DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN SEEING THE JOING UNIT TYPE, WE DO HAVE A SLIDE OF THAT AGAIN.
UH, WE DID APPEAR BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON OCTOBER 1ST AND DID DISCUSS THIS WITH HIM AT THAT MEETING.
AND THEN WE'RE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THIS UPDATED PROPOSAL.
WELL, WELL, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT, AND I, I UNDERSTAND I, I SAW ON THE, ON THE FLOOR PLAN THAT YOU HAVE, UH, THE MASTER BEDROOM ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THESE, WHICH, UH, DOES GIVE SOME SOME AMOUNT OF AGE TARGETING, BUT REALLY WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS AGE RESTRICTED TO 55 PLUS AND WITH SOME TYPE OF AMENITY ON THE PROPERTY, NOW YOU'RE ASKING US TO MAKE A ZONING CHANGE ON A PROPERTY TO ALLOW YOU TO DEVELOP RESIDENTIAL.
WHERE TODAY THEY'RE, THAT IS NOT ALLOWED.
AND, UH, THERE JUST AREN'T A LOT OF THINGS HERE THAT THE TOWNSHIP GETS FOR THIS.
THERE'S NO MAJOR ROAD IMPROVEMENT, THERE'S NO MAJOR, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, WITH NO AMENITIES HERE, SO THIS WILL, I IMAGINE THESE ARE STILL GONNA BE OCCUPIED BY PEOPLE WITH SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN FOR THE MOST PART.
AND, UH, SO THERE, THERE'S STILL THAT BURDEN ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
AND, UH, SO I, I I WOULD, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU RECONSIDER TO GO TO AGE RESTRICTED AND TO PUT SOME TYPE OF AMENITY ON THE PROPERTY.
NOW, I, I WAS, UH, UH, DISABUSED OF MY NOTION THAT IT COULD BE AT A LOWER DENSITY, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL DENSITY SHOWED ONE 20.
UM, NOW STACK TOWN HOMES AGAIN, PROBABLY DON'T WORK FOR, FOR AGE RESTRICTED, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME REALLY NICE AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITIES ALREADY IN UPPER PROVIDENCE THAT YOU COULD MODEL AFTER.
UM, REGENCY WHITE SPRINGS, UH, REGENCY HILLS AND REGENCY OF PROVIDENCE DOWN EACH OF ROAD ARE ALL THREE VERY FINE EXAMPLES.
SO JUST FOR ME, I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT.
WHAT WHAT DID THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS, JEFF? THEY REALLY DIDN'T, UM, OFFER TOO MUCH.
I MEAN, THEY SEEM COMFORTABLE WITH THE NUMBER, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THEY'RE ANY RESIDENTIAL, THEY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF
DID THEY MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATION ON NO, THEY DIDN'T.
ONLY BECAUSE THIS WAS A REINTRODUCTION THEY WANTED, THEY WILL GO BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A RECOMMENDATION ON THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT.
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THERE'S SOME MINOR CHANGES WE WILL HAVE TO MAKE TO THE ZONING TEXT.THIS WILL ALLOW, IF, IF YOU GRANT THAT HEARING, WE WILL, WE WILL MAKE THAT, WE WILL TAKE THAT NEXT STEP, PUT IT ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR THE FIFTH, AND THEN YOU WOULD STILL HEAR IT ON THE HEARING IF GRANTED WILL BE ON THE 1ST OF DECEMBER.
AND JUST TO RESPOND TO THE AGE RESTRICTED ASPECT, THERE ARE, I WOULD SAY, TWO CHALLENGES WITH THAT, WITH THE SITE IN THAT RESPECT.
ONE IS, UH, MR. STARLING, AS YOU MENTIONED, UM, MOST AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITIES HAVE A HIGHER DENSITY THAN THIS.
IT'S, IT'S NECESSARY TO SUPPORT WHILE STILL PROVIDING A REASONABLE, UM, YOU KNOW, MONTHLY ASSESSMENT.
YOU, YOU SORT OF HAVE TO SPREAD THAT OUT WHEN YOU'RE PROVIDING A CLUBHOUSE, YOU'RE DOING ALL THE MAINTENANCE.
THAT'S WHAT AN AGE RESTRICTED, UH, BUYER IS LOOKING FOR.
UM, AND THIS SITE IS ONLY APPROXIMATELY 18 ACRES.
UM, OTHER MORE RECENT AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITIES I'VE WORKED ON ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN THIS.
NOT NECESSARILY AN UPPER PROVIDENCE.
UM, WHITE SPRINGS HAS TWO COMPONENTS TO IT.
UM, 126 ARE WHAT I'LL CALL TARGETED VERSUS 200 BEING AGE RESTRICTED.
BUT THAT'S ON A SITE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN DOUBLE THE SIZE OF THIS.
SO WE'RE DEALING WITH TWO THINGS.
ONE IS HOW MUCH DENSITY COULD WE FIT ON THE SITE THAT'S ACTUALLY REASONABLE AND PROVIDES THAT TYPE OF AMENITY AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD THE DENSITY BE TO SUPPORT IT? SO WE WERE TRYING TO STRIKE A BALANCE HERE BETWEEN NOT PROVIDING TOO MUCH DENSITY, BUT AT LEAST TARGETING A BUYER, UM, THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN BEING HERE WITHOUT THE THE FULL AMENITY PACKAGE.
WHAT IS THE PRICE POINT? WHAT WOULD BE THE PRICE POINT? UM, I'D ASK ONE TO SPEAK TO THAT.
UM, SO THE INITIAL PRICE POINT, UM, STARTING PRICE WE'D BE LOOKING AT IS IN THE UPPER FIVES, UM, LOW SIXES.
AND THEY'RE TOWN, THEY'RE, IT'S A ROW OF FOUR CONNECTED.
WHAT YOU SEE THERE IS, IS FOUR, IT'S FOUR TOWN HOMES, AND THEN THE ONLY OPEN SPACE I SAW WAS THE ONE SMALL AREA AT THE BOTTOM KIND OF CENTER.
SO WE DESIGNATED THAT AS A, LIKE A, A GATHERING AREA OR WE, WE HAVEN'T PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO THE PROGRAMMING THERE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, JUST WITH THE PRELIMINARY NATURE OF THIS.
UM, BUT YOU DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, OPEN SPACE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT OF COURSE WE WERE TRYING TO MAINTAIN HERE ALONG WITH THE REDUCED DENSITY WAS, UM, KEEPING IN MIND THE IMPERVIOUS, UM, IT'S ON THE SITE TODAY AND TRYING TO STAY WITHIN THE CONFINES OF WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
I MEAN, I I WOULD SAY LOWER THAN EVEN WHERE YOU ARE.
YOU'RE IN WHAT, 70, WHAT WAS THE UNIT? 70? 70.
SO YEAH, AFTER THE, THE LAST MEETING, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAD 120, WE WENT BACK AND RELOOKED AT THE PRODUCT AND, AND THE DENSITY AND DID EVERYTHING WE COULD TO TRIM THAT DOWN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE HERE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
AND, YOU KNOW, TO ALLISON'S POINT, WE WERE, UH, TYPICALLY WITH A AGE RESTRICTED OR EVEN AGE TARGETED COMMUNITY, YOU'LL SEE SOME SORT OF AN AMENITY PACKAGE WITH THE, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, UM, YOU KNOW, TO US THE AMENITIES JUST TO THE LOCATION OF THIS, UM, AND THE, YOU KNOW, SMALL ENCLAVE NATURE OF IT, UM, REALLY IN ORDER TO SUPPORT A, A LARGER AMENITY THAT YOU MIGHT SEE WITH THE CLUBHOUSE, POOL, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, YOU REALLY NEED, UM, YOU KNOW, IN EXCESS OF 150 HOME SITES IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT MONTHLY FEE PALATABLE.
UM, SO HERE WE'RE TRYING TO APPEAL TO A, A SMALL SUBSECTION OF OUR ACTIVE ADULT BUYER WHO MAY NOT BE LOOKING FOR A LARGE COMMUNITY AND THAT LARGE MONTHLY FEE, UM, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE AMENITIES, IS THERE ADDITIONAL PARKING ANYWHERE ELSE? OR YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR DRIVEWAY USE YOUR GARAGE? UH, WE'VE GOT DRIVEWAY GARAGE, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL PARKING ON THERE CURRENTLY.
THERE'S ON STREET PARKING ON ONE SIDE, SO YOU COULD PARK ON THE STREET.
I DON'T REALLY SEE WHAT, UM, WHAT THE TOWNSHIP GETS OUT OF CHANGING THE ZONING.
UM, POTENTIALLY WE COULD HAVE ANOTHER BUSINESS GO INTO THAT BUILDING.
UM, I, WE HAVE A LOT OF TOWNHOUSES COMING INTO THE TOWNSHIP SOON AND NOT, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THE BENEFIT OF THIS POINT FOR THE TOWNSHIP RIGHT NOW.
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REASON, WE HAVE KEN HERE WITH US TONIGHT REPRESENTING OWNERSHIP.IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM HIM, UM, HE CAN SPEAK TO KIND OF THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY AND HOW THEY'VE EXPLORED OTHER, OTHER OPTIONS.
YEAH, THE, UH, KEN KERNS EON YOUNG, UM, A YOUNG IS AN INTERNATIONAL FULL SERVICE BROKERAGE COMMERCIAL ESTATE COMPANY.
I'VE BEEN PRACTICING COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE FOR 25 YEARS.
UM, AND MOST OF MY CLIENTS LIKE THIS ARE OFFICE OWNERS THAT ARE NOW, MOST OF MY WORK IS NOW THIS CONVERSION AND THIS KIND OF ADAPTIVE REUSE BECAUSE OF THE OFFICE MARKET.
UM, IN PARTICULAR TERTIARY MARKETS LIKE COLLEGEVILLE,
UM, WE SEE THE ONLY MOVEMENT WE SEE IN THE OFFICE MARKET IS PEOPLE MOVING INTO MORE DENSE, YOU KNOW, CARE ES AND CON AND RIDERS OF THE WORLD.
UM, AND THOSE TERTIARY MARKETS HAVE HIT VERY HARD.
MALVERN'S BEEN HIT VERY HARD, DIS MARKET.
UM, WE MARKETED IT FOR, WE'VE BEEN MARKETING THIS BUILDING SINCE 2021 WHEN THIS TENANT MOVED OUT.
UM, THE CURRENT OWNER BOUGHT THIS IN 2017, SO IT VACANT FIVE YEARS IN JANUARY.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR AN 80,000 FOOT BLOCK OF SPACE, THERE'S JUST NOT A TENANT IN THIS MARKET.
UM, AND THEY'RE HAVE, WE'VE KNOCKED ON EVERY DOOR AND TALKED, CALLED EVERY CLIENT WE HAD AND LOOKED AT DIFFERENT USES FOR THIS THING.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THIS, THESE TYPES OF REDEVELOPMENTS ARE VERY COMMON NOW.
WE'RE SEEING A LOT IN THE OFFICE WORLD WHERE THESE, THE REAL ESTATE IS JUST STUCK AND NEEDS TO BE REPURPOSED.
UH, AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE LAST MEETING, WE, IN THE LAST YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS, WE HAVE IMPROVED OVER, APPROVED OVER A THOUSAND UNITS OF NEW HOUSING IN THE TOWNSHIP.
IT'S A MIX OF TOWN HOMES, LIKE THESE STACKED TOWN HOMES, CONDOMINIUMS, APARTMENTS, CARRIAGE HOMES, UH, A SMALL AMOUNT OF SINGLE FAMILY AND ONE SMALL AMOUNT OF AGE RESTRICTED OVER A PARK HOUSE.
HOWEVER, IF YOU WENT AFTER THIS WITH PURPOSE, YOU COULD GET AHEAD OF THEM.
LIKE I SAID, I I I, I DON'T SEE THE BENEFIT FOR US TO CHANGE THE ZONING RIGHT NOW.
SO, UM, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY MORE QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE PROCESS.
UM, WE COULD EITHER JUST LET THIS GO TONIGHT.
WELL, YEAH, WE, WE COULD EITHER SCHEDULE A HEARING AS, AS IT IS ANTICIPATED IN THE AGENDA, WE, WHERE WE COULD EITHER VOTE YES OR NO TO HAVE THE HEARING, OR WE COULD TABLE THIS AND UH, AND LET THEM GO OFF AND SHARPEN THEIR PENCILS AND PERHAPS COME BACK WITH SOMETHING VALID.
UM, IF, IF WE, IF WE, IF IT DID GO, UH, WE, IT WOULD GO TO THE ZONING.
IS THAT TRUE OR WOULD IT GO BACK? NO, IT, IT WOULD COME TO, UM, WE WOULD SCHEDULE A HEARING ON DECEMBER 1ST.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAVING THAT LARGE SESSION OF ZONE OF, OF CONDITIONERS HEARING SOME COUPLE LAND DEVELOPMENTS.
THEY WOULD ALSO BE ON THAT AGENDA FOR A HEARING BEFORE YOU THAT NIGHT.
AND BOARD MEMBERS BRIEFLY REMEMBER THAT FOR A CHANGE OF ZONING, IT'S PURELY DISCRETIONARY.
SO I'M HEARING VERY COMMENTS TONIGHT.
IF YOU DECIDE YOUR, YOUR OPTIONS WOULD BE, YOU COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH ADVERTISING FOR A CHANGE OF ZONING, YOU COULD DECIDE TO DO NOTHING, THE MATTER WOULD JUST REMAIN.
YOU COULD ASK THEM TO COME BACK WITH SOME OTHER THOUGHTS.
THEY'RE REALLY, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, ALLISON, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION THAT THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE AND OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND EVERYONE'S TIME ON SOMETHING THEY DON'T WANT.
WE, WE'D RATHER BE DOING SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO SEE AND DO.
SO IF IT WOULD BE, HEY, WE'RE AUTHORIZING A HEARING JUST TO AUTHORIZE IT SO THAT WE CAN GET TO THAT STEP YOU LIKE, LIKE YOUR SOLICITOR IS TELLING YOU, THAT'S PURELY DISCRETIONARY.
SO WHAT WE'RE HEARING TONIGHT IS THAT I'M NOT HEARING LIKE A UNIFIED, LIKE, YES, LET'S DO WHAT'S SITTING HERE RIGHT IN FRONT OF US RIGHT NOW.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT I WOULDN'T PUSH YOU TO A HEARING ON SOMETHING THAT OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE HERE.
UM, I GUESS OUR QUESTION WOULD BE, IF WE TRY TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AGAIN, I'M HEARING LESS DENSE FROM MS. KELSEY.
I'M HEARING AGE RESTRICTION FROM MR. STARLING.
PERHAPS THERE'S A BALANCE, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THINGS.
AGAIN, IF WE LOOK AT AGE RESTRICTION, YOU KNOW, EVEN AT A LOWER DENSITY, BUT MAYBE NOT THE FULL AMENITY PACKAGE YOU WOULD GET IN AN AGE RESTRICTION.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE MORE APPEALING TO THE BOARD? IT, IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHIC, OBVIOUSLY.
I MEAN, WE WOULD BE LOCKING DOWN OUR DEMOGRAPHIC IN THAT WAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, KEEPING IN MIND THE OTHER TOWNHOUSE UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED OR ARE IN PROCESS IN THE TOWNSHIP, OBVIOUSLY THIS WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN THAT.
WELL, YOU KNOW, IN MY, IN MY HOUSE COUNTY EXERCISE TODAY, I HAD HAD TO GO AND LEARN SOME THINGS TONIGHT JEFF.
AND, UH, I, I DROVE THROUGH THE THREE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT I MENTIONED ALL BUILT BY REGENCY, I GUESS.
AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, I, I THINK THAT'S DIRECTION.
I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A UNIFIED POSITION, RIGHT? BUT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MORE DENSITY IF WE CAN GET THAT AGE RESTRICTION.
LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE A THOUSAND UNITS OF HOUSING
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THAT NONE, NONE OF THAT IS BROKEN GROUND YET.AND WE EXPECT THAT TO BREAK GROUND IN THE NEXT TWO TO THREE YEARS.
UM, BUT THAT IS ONE THING THAT WE ARE LACKING OUR, OUR AGE RESTRICTED.
THERE'S A, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A VERY SMALL PORTION OF THE PARK HOUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE THAT, BUT THAT IS THE LARGEST AGE GROUP IN THE POT IN THE TOWNSHIP.
AND MORE OF US ARE JOINING THAT AGE ALREADY, BUT MORE OF US ARE JOINING IT EVERY DAY.
SO, UM, I I, I WOULD LOOK AT THAT JUST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.
I, I COULD SUPPORT A PLANE THAT HAD SOME TYPE OF AGE RESTRICTION AND UM, LIKE I SAID, SOME, SOME TYPE OF AMENITY.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU COULD DO AND, AND HOW MANY UNITS WOULD NEED TO DO THAT.
UM, LIKE I SAID, THEY NEED TO ADD TOO MANY MORE THAN BILL.
I MEAN, I, I, I MEAN OVER THERE AT UH, REGENCY HILLS, I THINK IT'S LIKE 1 28 IS WHAT THEY HAVE IN THERE.
THOSE ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, RIGHT? THEY ARE ZERO LOT LINES.
SO THEY, THEY LOOK LIKE THEY COULD BE ATTACHED, YOU KNOW, AND CARRIAGE HOMES.
I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THINGS BEING ATTACHED, SO, UM, BUT THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT ON GO AHEAD.
I AGREE WITH YOU BILL, AND I DON'T WANT TO WASTE YOUR TIME EITHER, ALLISON.
JUST NOT EVEN WHEN I'M ENTHUSIASTIC.
SO YEAH, WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT GOING BACK TO ONE 20,000.
I APPRECIATE YOU RUNNING THE DOG UP ONE MORE TIME.
JUST TO BE TRANSPARENT, I AM NOT FOR AGE RESTRICTED HOUSING.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOUSING THAT PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY AFFORD.
700,000 IS NOT SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, EARLY IN THEIR CAREER CAN AFFORD.
AND SO IF THERE WERE MORE UNITS THAT WERE HOUSES THAT PEOPLE COULD POTENTIALLY AFFORD, I WOULDN'T BE BE FOR THAT.
BUT, UM, I KNOW IT'S NOT, DOESN'T GET THAT EASY FOR YOU IF WE'RE HAVING ABOARD LIKE THIS, BUT YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTAND.
AND, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING ME FEEDBACK TONIGHT 'CAUSE THAT HELPS US A LOT.
I WONDER IF IT'S A MIX, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU KEEP THINGS AFFORDABLE IN THIS TOWNSHIP.
I MEAN, THE TOWNSHIP IS NOT GETTING ANYTHING HERE.
WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY ROAD IMPROVEMENT OR ANY AMENITIES.
IT WILL BE A BURDEN ON THE SCHOOLS AND ON OUR RECREATION FACILITIES.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING ADDING SOME AMENITY HERE IS AT LEAST SOMETHING AND IT, IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, PUT SOME RELIEF ON ON ON OUR RECREATION FACILITIES IN THE TOWNSHIP.
ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A, LIKE A, A AMENITY FOR PUBLIC USE OR A POOL CLUBHOUSE AND 120 UNITS? 120? I WOULDN'T GO FOR THAT.
BUT YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANY UNIFIED RESPONSES HERE.
TAKE A RIDE WITH ME AND WE'LL DO SOME HOUSE COUNT.
SO WHAT, JUST TO RECAP WHAT I'M HEARING, IF SO, IF WE WERE PREPARED TO PUT A, AN AGE RESTRICTION ON THE PLAN THAT YOU SEE HERE, YOU WOULDN'T BE IN SUPPORTIVE OF MOVING IT FORWARD WITH THAT CAVEAT? OH, WITH 70 UNITS AGE RESTRICTED.
YEAH, I, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT.
IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO CONSIDER.
YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CONSIDER.
DON'T THINK ABOUT THAT BEFORE.
YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT BEFORE WE COMMIT.
BUT THAT, BUT THAT IS, I MEAN THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE TRYING, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY WORKS HERE FOR EVERYBODY.
SO, AND YOU MIGHT WANNA CHANGE THE FLOOR PLAN IF YOU'RE GONNA DO TRUE AGE RESTRICTED.
I MEAN, I, I KNOW THERE ARE SOME IN COLLEGEVILLE THAT ARE THAT WAY, BUT ESSENTIALLY THE SECOND FLOOR JUST BECOMES VACANT, RIGHT? OR PEOPLE, THEIR KIDS COME TO VISIT BECAUSE I ADDRESS HAS THAT, HE TOLD ME THESE KIDS COME, YES, THE GRANDKIDS CAN SIT UPSTAIRS ONCE A COUPLE TIMES A YEAR.
SO WE ARE ACTIVELY SELLING THIS EXACT FLOOR PLAN IN AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITIES IN THE DELAWARE MARKET.
SO, SO WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
IT WORKS FOR THE AGE TARGETED OR AGE RESTRICTED BUYER, SO, OKAY.
AND, AND, AND SCHOOL DID, LIKE I SAID, WITH A THOUSAND UNITS OF HOUSING COMING AND, AND THEY ARE ALL MARKET RATE UNRESTRICTED, SO THEY'RE GONNA BE FAMILIES AND THEY'RE GONNA BE KIDS AND THEY'RE GONNA FILL THE SCHOOLS.
SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ADDING, ADDING ONE MORE STRAW TO THAT CAMEL'S BACK IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID.
MARIE, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? DO YOU AGREE, WHICH I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THEM CHASE OR TAIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY EXTRA? I'M GOOD.
MY, MY COMMENT WAS WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ONE 20 AGAIN.
WE HAVE ENOUGH, A LOT OF UNITS COMING UP.
SO, UM, SO I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE, NOT TO PUT EVERYONE ON THE SPOT, BUT IF, IF THE BOARD WAS COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH, AND WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO CONSIDER IT, BUT IF YOU WERE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS TYPE OF PROPOSAL BUT WITH AN AGE RESTRICTED, WOULD YOU THEN BE WILLING TO CONSIDER MOVING FORWARD TO HEARING, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND WE WOULD COMMUNICATE WITH JEFF AS TO WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING WE'D, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO GO FORWARD WITH.
BUT IF WE, IF YOU WERE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, THEN I WOULD STILL REQUEST
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AUTHORIZATION FOR THAT.I WOULD SUBMIT IT TO JEFF SO HE CAN SHOW IT TO THE BOARD AND YEAH, 55 PLUS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS AGE RESTRICTION.
I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTH AT LEAST WORTH LOOKING AT FOR SURE.
DO WE NEED ANY SORT OF FORMAL MOTION FOR THAT? I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT THE TIMING OF IT BECAUSE WE HAVE ABOUT A MONTH AND THAT'S ABOUT THE LIMIT OF OUR, OF OUR ADVERTISING WINDOW.
WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OVER THAT.
SO I, I I GUESS I WOULD ASK THE BOARD TO MAKE IT FORMAL THAT THEY COULD BE ON THE DECEMBER 1ST AGENDA.
WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU THEN AND, YOU KNOW, FURTHER HAVE A CONVERSATION.
I, I THINK LET'S TAKE A LOOK AND, AND COME BACK IN A NEW YEAR.
THAT GIVES YOU A CHANCE TO REALLY CONSIDER WHAT YOU WANT TO DO HERE BEFORE YOU GET PRESENT IT AGAIN.
I DON'T SEE ANY NEED FOR SPEAK.
WELL THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
ALRIGHT, THAT WAS ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
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SIX, CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 37 GRANT PRELIMINARY FINAL LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR EMORY MANOR AT 7 81 SOUTH TRACK ROAD.CAN YOU, CAN YOU EXPLAIN, SORRY, WHAT? PRELIMINARY SLASH FINAL.
I'M GONNA LET MR. CANAVAN FOR YOU.
WELL, THANK YOU MR. GRACE AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
UH, CHRIS CANAVAN WITH WB HOMES, THE PRESIDENT OF WB HOMES.
WE ARE THE OWNERS OF 7 81 SOUTH TRAP ROAD, WHICH IS LOCATED BETWEEN SOUTH TRAP ROAD AND PERSIMMON, AND THEN PAPER BIRCH AND SUGAR PINE.
UH, THIS PLAN RECEIVED, UH, TENTATIVE PLAN APPROVAL FROM THIS BOARD PREVIOUSLY.
UH, WE HAVE WORKED THROUGH ALL OF THE, UM, REVIEW LETTERS WITH THE TOWNSHIP.
WE HAVE A RELATIVELY CLEAN LETTER FROM MS.
WE RECEIVED A RECOMMENDATION FOR PRELIMINARY FINAL PLAN APPROVAL WITH ALL WAIVERS AT THE, UH, SEPTEMBER 3RD, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
UH, IF YOU RECALL, WHEN WE CAME IN WITH TENTATIVE PLAN, THERE WAS SOME QUESTION ABOUT LOT SEVEN, WHICH IS THE LOT CLOSEST TO SOUTH TRAP ROAD ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT DRIVEWAY WOULD TAKE ACCESS OUT TO SOUTH TRAP ROAD OR BROUGHT INTERNAL TO THE CUL-DE-SAC BASED ON THE PLEA, UM, FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD AT THE TIME THAT WAS, UH, REVISED TO BRING INTO THE INTERNAL CUL-DE-SAC.
SO ALL THE LOTS IN TRAFFIC WILL GO INTO THE INTERNAL STREET AND WE'VE ELIMINATED THEN A CURB CUT ON THE SOUTH TRAP ROAD AND IN A DIFFICULT SECTION OF THAT ROADWAY WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT.
UM, SO WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING, I THINK WITH A VERY CLEAN PLAN.
IT'S A BUYRIGHT USE, UH, ALL ONE ACRE PLUS, UH, LOTS PER THE TOWNSHIP ZONING ORDINANCE.
DIDN'T NECESS ANY RELIEF ON THAT.
THERE ARE NO REAL OUTSTANDING ITEMS OTHER THAN OUTSIDE AGENCY PERMITS AT THIS POINT.
THUS WE ARE ASKING FOR REC, UH, FOR PRELIMINARY FINAL APPROVAL AS THERE IS REALLY NO REMAINING PLANNING ITEMS FOR THIS BOARD TO CONSIDER.
UH, IF WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
AND I'D BE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH ANY OF THE OTHER DETAILS, UH, THAT YOU MAY REQUEST.
THEY WILL ALSO BE BRINGING SEWER OUT TO TRAP ROAD SO THAT THERE'S A COLLECTION OF FOUR HOUSES IN THERE.
YES, THEY COULD POTENTIALLY HOOK UP.
I MEAN THEY, THEY WOULD'VE TO PUT IN SOME OF THEIR OWN PIPING, BUT THEY ARE BRINGING IT OUT TO TRAP ROAD WHERE IT ISN'T CURRENTLY.
IT'S A LOW PRESSURE SEWER SYSTEM, SO THEY ALL HAVE THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL GRINDER PUMPS.
WE'RE GONNA EXTEND THE FORCE MAIN OUT TO THE VERY, ON THIS PLAN.
IT WOULD BE THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER OF THE PLAN.
AND THEN THERE'S APPROXIMATELY, I THINK THREE OR FOUR HOUSES ACROSS THE STREET AND TWO TO THREE TO ADJACENT TO US.
WE'VE GOT ENOUGH CAPACITY IN THE LINE THAT WE'RE BUILDING AND THE, HOPEFULLY THE SECOND ITEM YOU'RE GONNA ADOPT THIS EVENING FOR US IS THE PLANNING MODULE, UH, FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, WHICH ALSO INCLUDES ALL THE SEWAGE FACILITIES PLANNING FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL HOMES.
SO ALL THEY WOULD NEED TO DO IS CONNECT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE IF THEY EVER CHOSE TO.
HOW MANY ACRES IS EACH LOT ON AVERAGE? UM, THEY'RE EACH JUST OVER ONE ACRE.
THE ONLY LOT THAT WOULD BE LARGER THAN THAT WOULD BE LOT SEVEN, WHICH IS THE ONE TO THE VERY REAR, WHICH ALSO HAS THE DETENTION BASIN, WHICH COMES IN AT BASICALLY AN ACRE AND A HALF.
AND WHAT ARE THE, WHAT'S THE PRICE POINT ON THESE? THE PRICE POINT ON THESE IS 1.2 TO 1.6, SIMILAR TO, IF YOU REMEMBER OUR MEADOWS AT LONGVIEW PROJECT, UM, GREENWOOD AVENUE, UM, THAT WE RECENTLY COMPLETED.
BASICALLY SAME PRODUCT, SAME SIZE HOMES THAT WE BUILT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THAT'S IN KEEPING WITH THE, UM, AS THE DEVELOPMENT OF PERSIMMON IN THAT AREA, IS THOSE BUILD OUT AND RESELL.
THAT'S OBVIOUSLY PRICES CONTINUE TO ESCALATE IN THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS.
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THE ONE THAT HAVE THE ASSISTING HOUSE ON IT? UH, LOT SEVEN.THAT'S THE ONE THAT HAD OUT FRONT, THAT THAT HOUSE WAS UP CLOSE TO WHERE YOU SEE ALL THE TREES ON THIS PLAN.
IT WAS ACTUALLY IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
WE'LL BE INSTALLING WHAT WOULD BE ONE SECTION OF A, A WALKING TRAIL IN THAT AREA SO THAT IF IT EVER DOES GET EXTENDED IN EITHER DIRECTION, OUR SECTION WILL BE COMPLETE.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE MOVING THE HOUSE INTERNAL TO THE, UH, THE PROPERTY TRAIL THROUGH TRAIL TRAILS UP.
ONE 13 IS SOMETHING THE TOWNSHIP IS, IS LONG DESIRED TO DO.
IT'S GOING TO BE AN EXTREME CHALLENGE AND I'VE REALIZED I'M ASKING THEM TO PUT IN A SIDEWALK TO KNOW WHERE, WHEN TYPICALLY THEY WOULD WAVE IT.
BUT I'D RATHER GET SOMETHING IN THERE AT THIS POINT.
AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD, MAYBE WE CAN GET ANOTHER, ANOTHER SECTION PUT ON ANOTHER SECTION PUT ON.
AND WE ALL MAY NOT BE SITTING UP HERE, BUT MAYBE IT GETS COMPLETED.
SO THAT, THAT'S KIND OF THE GOAL.
AND I REALIZE IT'S NOT TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO, BUT THAT, THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING IT.
WHERE'S THE TRAIL? THE TRAIL'S GONNA BE RIGHT ALONG THE, UM, PROPERTY LINE WITH SOUTH TRAP ROAD ON THIS PLAN WOULD BE ON THE, ALMOST RIGHT ALONG THE, UH, THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE, UH, AT THE VERY BE REAR OF LOT SEVEN.
AND IT'S A TRAIL, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A SIDEWALK.
CORRECT? IT'S A TRAIL SO THAT THAT PROPERTY AREA DOESN'T HAVE TO GO OUT WITHIN 24 TO 48 HOURS TO SHOVEL WHEN THERE'S A SNOW EVENT.
OUR RULES ARE THAT IF IT'S TRAIL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHOVEL IT.
IF IT'S SIDEWALK, IT HAS TO BE SHOVELED.
SO TYPICALLY WE PUT TRAILS IN IN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS SO THAT THEY, THEY, THEY DON'T, THERE'S NO EXTRA BURDEN ON THEM.
I KNOW WE'VE SEEN THIS SEVERAL TIMES, JEN.
WE'RE ALL CLEAN ON THE ENGINEERING HEARING.
YEAH, THEY'VE COMPLETED ALL OF THEIR ENGINEERING.
THERE ARE OUTSTANDING WAIVERS THAT ARE NECESSARY.
UM, BUT IF ALL OF THESE WAIVERS ARE GRANTED, THERE ARE NO PLAN.
WE OKAY, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE WAIVER? I'LL BE HAPPY TO REVIEW THOSE IF YOU'D LIKE, PLEASE.
JEN, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO DO THAT OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO IT? EITHER ONE.
WHICHEVER YOU THINK WOULD GO MORE SMOOTHLY.
UM, THERE IS A, A WAIVER REVIEW LETTER DATED OCTOBER 16TH, UH, 2025.
THERE ARE A TOTAL OF NINE WAIVERS, WHICH I WILL REVIEW BRIEFLY WITH YOU.
UM, THE FIRST TWO I WOULD SAY ARE ADMINISTRATIVE.
NUMBER ONE WOULD BE A, UH, WAIVER TO PERMIT THE PROCESSING OF THIS APPLICATION AS A PRELIMINARY AND FINAL APPLICATION.
NUMBER TWO IS THE USE OF A AERIAL PLAN RATHER THAN DEPICTING ALL THE FEATURES WITHIN 100 FEET OF THE SITE.
THE AERIAL COVERS THAT RATHER THAN A FULL SURVEY, I BELIEVE THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'VE TYPICALLY DONE.
UM, THERE'S A WAIVER IDENTIFYING THE SIZE AND SPECIES OF TREES TO BE REMOVED FROM THE AREA OF WOODS ALONG THE TRACK BOUNDARY.
THIS AREA CONTAINS TREE MASSES WITH OVERGROWN VEGETATION, NOT REALLY INDIVIDUAL TREES.
UM, MOST OF THE TREND WILL BE LEFT STAND WILL BE LEFT ALONE.
AND THEN AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS PLAN THAT YOU HAVE UP, UM, MOST OF THE PERIMETER WILL BE BUFFER OR AUGMENTED WITH ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING IN THAT AREA.
AND REALLY THE ONLY TREES WE'RE LOOKING TO REMOVE WOULD BE IN THE AREA OF THE ACCESS OF OUR DRIVE, OUR ROADWAY OFF OF PERSIMMON.
THERE'S SOME EXISTING TREES, UH, WITHIN THAT AREA.
AND THEN THERE'S SOME, A FEW RANDOM EVERGREENS THAT WOULD BE REMOVED ON THE SITE.
THE UH, NEXT WOULD BE A WAIVER FROM PROVIDING A CAR WAY WITH A 40 FEET ALONG SOUTH TRAP ROAD.
WE ARE BASICALLY KEEPING THE, UH, CART WAY IN.
ITS EXISTING 28 TO 30 FOOT WIDTH, WHICH IS A CONSISTENT CART WAY ALONG THE WHOLE REST OF THAT ROADWAY.
AND FOR THE NARROW BIT OF SOUTH TRAP ROAD, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE OUT OF PLACE TO WIDEN THAT TO A, UH, TO WHAT THE ORDINANCE WOULD REQUIRE.
AND SINCE WE'RE NOT DOING ANY IMPROVEMENTS OTHER THAN PROVIDING THE TRAIL OUT THERE, WE THOUGHT THAT WAS APPROPRIATE.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGREED WITH US.
UM, A WAIVER ALSO FROM PROVIDING THE MINIMUM CART WAY WITH A 32 FEET ON PERSIMMON.
AS YOU KNOW, PERSIMMON IS AN EXISTING ROADWAY THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR QUITE A WHILE, FULLY CURVED.
THE, UH, IT'S A 30 FOOT WIDE ROADWAY SO WE'RE JUST NOT WIDENING AGAIN OUR SECTION WHICH WOULD THEN BE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT MATURE SECTION OF THE ROADWAY.
UH, NUMBER FIVE, I WOULD BE TO ALLOW TWO DRIVEWAYS ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF LOT FOUR.
UM, LOT SEVEN EXISTS AS A LEGAL FRONTAGE ONTO SOUTH TRAP ROAD.
SO BY EASEMENT IT IS ACCESSING THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC OVER LOT FOUR.
SO THAT WOULD CREATE TECHNICALLY TWO DRIVEWAY ACCESSES ON ONE ROAD FRONTAGE, BUT IT IS PURELY FOR AN EASEMENT TO THE INTERIOR LOT, WHICH WILL THEN BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
IS IT ALSO ACCESS DRIVE TO THE STORMWATER BASIN HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION? WITH THE SMALL AMOUNT HOMES? WE WILL, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A COUPLE COMMON FACILITIES WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, PARTICULARLY STORMWATER BASINS AS WELL.
AND HOW WIDE IS THE ROAD? THE ROADWAY MEETS YOUR, UH, TOWNSHIP REQUIREMENT FOR THE 32 FEET WATER
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AND THE FIRE MARSHAL HAS ALREADY THIS PROJECT.UM, THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE A WAIVER FOR PROVIDING CURB ON THE SITE FRONT END ON SOUTH TRAP ROAD.
AS NO OTHER CURB EXISTS, UH, ANYWHERE WITHIN THAT AREA ON SOUTH TRAP ROAD SEVEN WOULD ALLOW US TO USE A TWO TO ONE BASIN EMBANKMENT SLOPE TO MEET THE, THERE'S A LARGE SURFACE AREA REQUIREMENT FOR AN MRC BASIN AND SO THAT WE DON'T EAT UP TOO MUCH LANDSCAPE.
WE'RE USING A TWO TO ONE SLOPE IN CERTAIN AREAS WITH APPROPRIATE VEGETATION THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE MOANED ON A REGULAR BASIS.
WE'VE USED THAT A NUMBER OF PLACES AND IT SEEMS TO BE QUITE EFFECTIVE.
UH, AGAIN, THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THOSE BASES.
UH, NUMBER EIGHT, UM, A WAIVER FROM TO ALLOW DEWATERING TIME FOR THE MRC BASE IN BETWEEN 24 AND 72 HOURS.
THIS IS A WAIVER FROM YOUR ORDINANCE BUT IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STANDARDS OF THE, UH, N-P-D-E-S PERMITTING, UH, REQUIREMENTS.
UM, SO THERE'S JUST SOME DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE TWO DIFFERENT REGULATIONS.
AND FINALLY, UM, THIS IS A PRETTY, UH, TECHNICAL ONE TO ALLOW DR NO DROP ACROSS JUNCTIONS AND TO NOT MATCH PIPE CROWNS TO STORM SEWER PIPE SYSTEMS COVERING PIPE SYSTEM SIZE REQUIREMENTS.
TAKE PRECEDENCE FOR INLET FIVE AND INLET SEVEN.
UH, THIS IS A, UM, RELATIVELY FLAT SITE AND DUE TO DEWATERING TIMES WE HAVE A CERTAIN SLOPE THAT WE ARE, UH, TRYING TO MAINTAIN WITH THE STORM MOTOR PIPES.
AND I BELIEVE THE ENGINEERS REVIEWED THAT AND FOUND IT ACCEPTABLE.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE EXTENT OF THE WAIVER REQUEST FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
I DON'T THINK ANY OF THOSE ARE, THEY'RE ALL SORT OF DUE TO THE UNIQUE NATURE OF THE SITE AND THE SIZE OF THE SITE.
I'M JUST JUMPING AHEAD ONE ITEM.
THE ENGINEERING ON THE, UH, SEWER MODULE, THAT'S ALL SOLID TOO, JIM? YES.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'M SORRY, LEMME, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 37 GRANTING PRELIMINARY FINAL LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR EMORY MANOR 7 8 1 SOUTH TRACK ROAD.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANYONE OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
AND, UH, WE'LL JUMP RIGHT INTO ITEM EIGHT HERE 'CAUSE IT IS RELATED.
UM, CONSIDER, UH, EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME.
ITEM SEVEN, CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 38 AUTHORIZING THE SUBMISSION OF THE SEWAGE FACILITIES PLANNING MODULE FOR EMORY MANOR.
SO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 38 AUTHORIZING THE SUBMISSION OF THE SEWAGE FACILITIES PLANNING MODULE FOR EMORY MANOR.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND.
ANYONE OPPOSED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND THE NEXT, UH, ITEM EIGHT, UH, CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 39 GRANTING TENTATIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR SPOTLESS CAR WASH AT 1851 RIDGE BLOCK.
I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH THE LAW FIRM HAMBURG RUBIN, HERE IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY, AND I AM PLEASED TO BE HERE THIS EVENING, UH, WITH SPOTLESS CAR WASH.
AND OUR TEAM, UH, WE HAVE KERA KELLY AND GUY DE MARTINO, UH, CIVIL ENGINEER AND TRAFFIC ENGINEERING AND JOHN LOMBARDO AND GREG ARNO, UH, WITH SPOTLESS CLEAN, UH, SPOTLESS WITH SPOTLESS CAR WASH.
UH, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT SEEKING, UH, TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN APPROVAL FOR, UH, CAR WASH FACILITY AT 1851 RIDGE PIKE.
UH, THIS IS A PROPOSAL, UH, IN THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY AS A CAR WASH FACILITY.
AS YOU SEE UP HERE ON THE SCREEN, UH, THE SITE, UH, HAS RECEIVED ZONING APPROVAL FROM THE ZONING HEARING BOARD IN THE FORM OF SEVERAL VARIANCES AND SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
UH, AND PURSUANT TO YOUR SUBDIVISION AND LAND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, WE DID SUBMIT OUR APPLICATION FOR TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN APPROVAL.
THAT WAS CONSIDERED AT THE OCTOBER 1ST MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND OBVIOUSLY THAT BRINGS US HERE THIS EVENING.
UH, WE DO HAVE REVIEW LETTERS, UH, IN HAND, UH, FROM GILMORE, UH, FROM MR. GRACE FROM THE COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION AND FROM, UH, TOWNSHIP FIRE AND FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES.
UM, SO I'M GOING TO, UH, WITH THAT INTRODUCTION, TURN IT OVER TO, UH, KERA AND GUY FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD MAY HAVE WITH REGARD TO THE CIVIL ENGINEERING OR TRAFFIC.
UH, CASTRO, WHY DON'T YOU GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF THE SITE.
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CASTRO, I HAVE YOUR OTHER PLAN.DO YOU PREFER THAT UP TO YOUR SECOND PLAN? THIS IS THE ONE WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD, RIGHT? SO I THINK WE'LL START HERE.
UM, WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE US IS A REVISED PLAN.
SO WE DID COME IN WITH A TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN SUBMISSION.
WE RECEIVED THE REVIEW LETTERS, AND THEN PRIOR TO BEING ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA, WE TOOK A STAB, IF YOU WILL, AT MAKING SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS.
UM, SO WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE A VIEW IS OUR TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN AS IT SITS.
I'D LIKE TO JUST KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH HOW THE SITE WOULD FUNCTION.
UM, WE'RE PROPOSING A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT OFF OF BRIDGE PIKE.
PEOPLE WOULD CIRCULATE INTO THE SITE AND THEN GO TO THE LEFT HAND SIDE WHERE THEY CAN GO INTO ONE OF THREE PAY STATIONS.
THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GONNA PAY FOR YOUR CAR WASH.
SO THE PAY STATIONS ARE RIGHT HERE.
AFTER YOU PAY FOR YOUR CAR WASH, YOU CAN CIRCULATE AROUND AND YOU WOULD ENTER INTO THE, THE WET BELT, WHICH IS THE WET WASH, WHICH ARE YOUR TRADITIONAL CUT OF CAR WASH.
AFTER THAT POINT, IT'S, YOU CAN DO A COUPLE OF THINGS.
YOU CAN GET YOUR WET WASH AND THEN YOU CAN CIRCULATE AROUND AND LEAVE THE SITE.
YOU CAN GET YOUR WET WASH, YOU CAN CIRCULATE AND ENTER ONE IN OF THE VACUUM SPOTS.
THIS IS WHERE YOU PARK YOUR CAR.
YOU GET OUT AND KIND OF SELF VACUUM OUT YOUR CAR.
WELL, YOUR VACUUM'S GONNA BE FREE.
THE FREE, THEY'RE FREED IN THE SPRING CITY, THEY'RE FREE WITH THE PURCHASE OF A CAR WASH.
RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT
THE OTHER FYI, UM, OR YOU COULD LEAVE THE WET WASH AND YOU CAN CIRCULATE AROUND AND GO BACK INTO THE, THE BUILDING INTO THE CAR WASH.
AND AT THIS POINT YOU WOULD ENTER INTO ONE OF THE TWO DRY BELTS.
THIS IS WHERE THE CUSTOMER WOULD ACTUALLY GET OUT OF THEIR CAR, GO TO AN INTERIOR WAITING AREA, THE CAR GOES ONTO A CONVEYOR BELT AND THE EMPLOYEES CLEAN OUT THE INSIDE OF YOUR CAR.
THEY DO THE VACUUMING, THEY BLOW OUT YOUR COOKIE CRUMBS, CLEAN OUT THE INSIDE, AND THEN YOU CAN, UH, GET BACK IN YOUR CAR AND CIRCULATE AND LEAVE.
UM, AS MENTIONED, THE SITE DID GET SOME ZONING RELIEF AND A CONDITION OF ONE OF THOSE ZONING WAS A PERIMETER FENCE FOR THE NEIGHBORS FOR SOME SCREENING, WHICH HAS BEEN INC INCORPORATED INTO THIS.
WHERE IS IT NEXT TO JEFF ON? IT IS IN BETWEEN, IT'S IN BETWEEN THE LIDLE SHOPPING CENTER THAT HAS THE WINE STORE, THE BEER STORE, THE MASTER STORE, THE DENTAL PLACE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS FACILITY, WHICH IS THE FORMER WEST JACKSON SITE.
YOU MIGHT KNOW IT, IT'S GOT IT HAD THE SIGN ON.
IT WAS A SMALL DIGITAL RED AND BLACK DIGITAL SIGN ON A WRENCH.
AND THEN THE NEXT SITE AS YOU'RE TRAVELING WEST TOWARDS LIMERICK IS, UM, A RESIDENTIAL UNIT.
IT'S A, LIKE A TOWNHOUSE OR NOT A TOWNHOUSE APARTMENT.
THAT WOULD BE AWFUL GENEROUS, WOULDN'T IT?
UM, IT'S SOME APARTMENTS, A CONVERTED STRUCTURE.
AND THEN AS YOU GET TO THE INTERSECTION THERE, THAT, THAT'S THE BANK.
SO IT'S THREE PROPERTIES IN FROM TOWNSHIP LINE IN RIDGE LAKE, AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM COMING OUT WITH TRAFFIC ONTO A RIDGE HERE.
WELL, WE ARE PROPOSING RIGHT IN AND RIGHT OUT.
ARE WE, ARE WE ANTICIPATING ANY TYPE OF, UH, MEDIAN UPGRADE THERE TO SO THAT PEOPLE DO NOT ATTEMPT THE LEFT OUT OF THERE OR ATTEMPT THE LEFT INTO THERE? UH, WE HAD A, A TERRIBLE ACCIDENT THERE LAST YEAR.
I JUST, IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO THERE, PUT UP SOME OF THOSE YELLOW, SINCE THIS IS ONLY A TENTATIVE, WE CAN, WE CAN STILL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AS WE GET TO PRELIMINARY BECAUSE IT'S A PENNDOT ROAD.
IT DOES DEPEND ON WHAT PIN DOT WOULD OR WOULD NOT ALLOW.
I WOULD DEFER TO BRIAN ON THAT, ON WHAT HE THINKS THAT CONVERSATION MIGHT BE LIKE.
BUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE FOR THE, FOR OF THE NEXT STEP ONCE THEY GET PAST THIS.
I HAVE YOU HAD A SCOPING MEETING WITH PENNDOT? YEAH.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO, I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER THAT TO THE TRAFFIC CONSULTANT.
I KNOW I'M FLOUNDERING MYSELF.
UH, GUY DE MARTINEZ WITH TP D.
UM, AS, AS YOU MENTIONED OR AS WAS MENTIONED, THIS, UH, AS YOU KNOW, IS A STATE ROAD.
SO WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE PENNDOT PROCESS.
UM, TO DATE, WE HAVE SUBMITTED A, A TRAFFIC STUDY SCOPING APPLICATION.
WE RECEIVED A REVIEW FROM PENNDOT, UM, WE'VE ALSO SUBMITTED TO YOUR TOWNSHIP AND WE WE'RE AWAITING FEEDBACK ON THAT.
UM, TO YOUR POINT, REGARDING RESTRICTION, PENNDOT IS ALSO VERY SENSITIVE TO THAT CONCERN.
SO AS WE GO THROUGH THE HOP PROCESS WITH THEM, WE'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS THEIR COMMENTS, ADDRESS ANY COMMENTS RECEIVED FROM, FROM THE TOWNSHIP AND WORK WITH BOTH PARTIES TO, TO
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ADDRESS THAT.UM, CERTAINLY RIGHT NOW WE ANTICIPATE, UM, A PORK CHOP ISLAND TO, TO RESTRICT VEHICLES, BUT SOMETIMES DEPEND OUT WHAT'S, WHAT'S EVEN MORE THAN THAT.
UM, SO WE'LL WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH THEM TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS AS LONG AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IT AND OKAY, I'LL LEAVE THAT TO THE TRACK.
I, UM, SO YOU GO IN ON THE RIGHT AND THEN YOU GO TO THE, THE LEFT AND THEN PEOPLE FROM THE RIGHT ARE LEAVING LIKE IT LOOKS LIKE.
SO THAT IS, THERE IS A POINT WHERE THERE WILL BE CROSSING TRAFFIC.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MOVEMENT IN THE RIGHT IN WILL BE THE UM, KIND OF FREE FLOW TRAFFIC PATTERN WHERE CARS COMING IN WILL COME AND GO DIRECTLY TO THE PACE STATIONS.
ANY OF THE TRAFFIC LEAVING THE SITE WILL BE CONTROLLED.
MEANING, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL PROBABLY ADD SOME ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE HERE.
SO ANY CARS WILL WAIT HERE IF THERE'S INCOMING CARS.
WE DID LOOK AT FLIPPING THE SITE.
UM, THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT IS THE NEIGHBORING, UH, SHOPPING CENTER AND THEIR DRIVEWAY LOCATION.
IT WOULD PUT THE TWO DRIVEWAYS LIKE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER.
THIS LOCATION ALSO ALLOWS A LITTLE BIT AS MUCH AS THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY ALLOWS OF LIKE A, A TURNING LANE TO GET SOME OF THE CARS OFF OF RIDGE PIKE QUICKER AS THEY SLOW DOWN TO HAVE LESS OF AN IMPACT.
UM, IT'S GONNA BE A BUNCH, I DON'T KNOW HOW I THINKING IT COULD GET CHAOTIC DOWN THERE WHERE YOU'RE VACUUMING THE CAR OUT AND THEN PEOPLE ARE COMING OUT OF THE CONVEYOR BELT THING.
WOULD IT BE CONGESTED THERE IN THE FRONT WHERE PEOPLE ARE VACUUMING AND THEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE LEAVING AND THEN CALLING IT'S LIKE A BUSY SPOT RIGHT THERE.
YEAH, I MEAN THERE'S, THERE'S A NATURAL KIND OF PATTERN AND FLOW TO THESE SITES THAT OCCUR.
AND WHAT IS UNIQUE ABOUT THIS CAR WASH CONFIGURATION, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN OTHERS, IS EVERYBODY'S NOT DOING THE SAME THING RIGHT.
IN TERMS OF EVERYONE'S NOT JUST GETTING A, A WET WASH AND GOING TO THE VACUUM SPACES AND LEAVING, YOU KNOW, ABOUT 40% ON AVERAGE OF THE CUSTOMERS ARE GOING TO CIRCLE BACK AROUND AND GO BACK THROUGH THE BUILDING AND GO TO THE DETAIL BAYS.
YOU KNOW, THEY WON'T HAVE ANY REASON TO VISIT THE VACUUMS. SEE WHAT YOU SAYING? THEY WOULD NEVER USE THE FRONT PART.
VACUUM IT OUT THEMSELVES IF THEY'RE GONNA, IF YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THE DRIVER.
UH, IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
SO AFTER YOU WASH THE CAR, DOES IT, DOES THAT HAVE ANY ENVIRONMENTAL, HOW DOES THAT, THAT JUST GOES INTO OUR SEWAGE.
EVERY, EVERYTHING GOES INTO THE, ANYTHING OUT OF THE, IF YOU COULD POWER POLES, MIKE AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE.
ANY OF THE CHEMICALS THAT WE USE IN DURING THE WASH ARE CAUGHT INSIDE OF THAT WASH AREA.
SO EVERYTHING TILTS BACK INTO A TRENCH.
WE ALSO TAKE ALL THAT THAT GOES IN THERE AND WE RECLAIM IT AND USE AROUND 40% OF THAT WATER AGAIN, ON THE BOTTOM SECTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
ALL THE CHEMICALS ARE ALSO APPROVED, BIODEGRADABLE, BUT WE STILL, NOTHING GOES INTO THE STORM.
IT ALL GOES INTO THE, INTO THE CENTER.
IT GOES INTO OUR SYSTEM, AND IT DOES GO THROUGH THE OIL WATER SEPARATOR PRIOR TO ENTERING THE SANITATION.
WHAT HAPPENS IS THERE'S, THERE'S THREE PART OF THE RECLAIMED SYSTEM.
SO ANY TYPE OF COUNT, ANY TYPE OF GRIT SETTLES IN THOSE TANKS.
IT GETS EMPTIED EVERY, IT DIFFERS AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, BUT IT'LL GET EMPTIED EVERY THREE MONTHS, EVERY FOUR MONTHS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEY COME IN AND WE SUCK OUT ALL THE GRIT.
THAT WATER GOES BACK INTO A RECLAIMED SYSTEM THAT CLEANS IT FURTHER.
THERE'S A CENTRIFUGE AND IT, THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SYSTEMS THAT WE REUSE THAT WATER, IF THE WATER IS BAD ENOUGH THAT IT WORKS ITS WAY THROUGH, IT GOES THROUGH AN OIL WATER SEPARATOR BEFORE IT GOES BACK INTO YOUR, INTO YOUR SYSTEM.
WE'VE DONE TESTS AT SEVERAL LOCATIONS, UM, SHOWING WHAT TYPE OF CHEMICALS GO INTO IT, AND WE, WE DON'T GET ANY PUSHBACK FROM, FROM UTILITIES ON, ON THE, ON THE SEWER.
UM, LIKE I SAID, EVERYTHING TILTS BACK IN AND, UH, ANY OTHER
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QUESTIONS ABOUT SPOTLESS OR, THIS WILL BE BRANDED AS A FLAGSHIP LOCATION? SPOTLESS HAS A HANDFUL OF DIFFERENT CHAINS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND THIS, THIS ONE WE'RE MOVING UP IN THIS, THIS WHOLE, THE DRY BELT THAT IS A 12 FOOT WIDE BELT THAT YOU PULL INTO A, A FIRST BELT THAT, THAT STOPPED.YOU GET OUTTA THE CAR AND THEN THAT BELT PUTS IT ONTO THE 12 FOOT AND THE BELT RUNS ALONG AND THERE'S A CREW.
THERE'S CREWS THAT CLEAN IT AS IT GOES THROUGH.
AND IS THAT SYSTEM IN ANY OF YOUR OTHER STORES OR, YES, QUITE A FEW ACTUALLY.
BOTH OF THEM ARE IN, IN THE MARYLAND, UM, NORTHERN VIRGINIA AREA.
UM, BUT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING SEVERAL UP HERE RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S ONE IN, IN PHOENIXVILLE, IF YOU'VE BEEN BY THE OLD RITE AID, IF YOU SEE IT ALL TORN UP, THAT IS GOING, I WAS GOING TO LOOK MUCH LIKE THIS LITTLE DIFFERENT 'CAUSE WE'RE USING THE EXISTING BUILDING.
SO IT'S, WE WE'RE, WE DO BOTH.
WE DO, WE DO IT, IT ALL COMES DOWN TO WHERE LOCATION IS, WHAT TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE TRAFFIC IS, WHAT, WHAT THE CUSTOMER IS.
BUT WE'LL, WE DO THIS TYPE OF WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A FULL SERVICE KIND OF OUR CADILLAC.
AND THEN WE WILL MIX IN SOME THAT ARE JUST MORE OF A STANDARD WASH TUNNEL AND FREE PACKS.
UM, ONE IN, ONE IN TROOPER RIGHT NOW IS IN CONSTRUCTION NEXT TO THE LIGHT.
IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION, UH, MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 39 GRANTING TENTATIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR QUAS CAR WASH 1851 RIDGE PIKE.
AND, UH, OUR NEXT ITEM IS, UH, APPOINTMENT AS ECKER SEAMANS AS OUR TOWNSHIP LABOR COUNCIL.
UM, WE DID LAST WEEK, WE INTERVIEWED, UH, S AND ANOTHER FIRM AND, UH, CHOSE ECKERD SEAMANS.
SO, UH, I'LL, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION I TO SERVE AS LABOR COUNCIL FOR THE TOWNSHIP RETROACTIVE TO OCTOBER 9TH, 2025, AND TO NOT TO RAT THE ENGAGEMENT LETTER WITH S EX EXECUTED BY THE TOWNSHIP MANAGER FOR THE PURPOSE ON OCTOBER 9TH, 2025.
ANYONE OPPOSED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[MANAGER AND DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS]
WE'RE DOWN TO MANAGER AND DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS, AND OUR FIRST REPORT IS GONNA BE FROM BRI.FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME WORDS YOU SAID EARLIER.
YOU GUYS TALK, TALK DRAWER HER.
SO, OCTOBER 7TH, UM, WAS A DIFFERENT DATE FOR US.
UM, AT 8 0 8 IN THE MORNING, WE DISPATCH THROUGH JUST OF APRIL FIRE, THEY UPDATED TO SAY THERE WAS A TRUCK, UH, ON ROUTE 4 22.
AND IT ENDED UP BEING, UH, JUST EAST OF ROUTE 29, WESTBOUND ON RAMP.
UM, WHICH YOU SEE THE TRUCK HERE, BIG LOTS IS NOT IN BUSINESS ANYMORE.
SO, UM, IT'S NOT A BIG LOTS TRUCK.
UH, WE PULL UP THE, TO IT, I PULL UP FIRST.
THE TRUCK WAS ATTACHED TO THE TRACTOR AT THE POINT, THE DRIVER WAS STANDING OUT THERE, AND THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE SAW.
UM, THE DRIVER SAID THAT SOMEONE HAD PULLED HIM OVER AND SAID THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF THICK SMOKE COMING OUTTA THE BACK OF HIS TRUCK.
UM, THERE WAS NOTHING COMING OUT, BUT WE STOOD THERE.
UH, WE USED OUR THERMAL IMAGING CAMERAS AND, UM, WE PICKED UP ON THE PASSENGER SIDE BY THE LANDING GEAR.
UM, A LOT OF HEAT SIGNATURE ON THE FRONT OF THE TRAILER.
SO, UH, AS WE WALKED AT THE BACK, UH, AT THE BOTTOM TWO CORNERS, IT WAS LIKE A WIS OF SMOKE COMING OUT, UM, FROM THE BOTTOM TWO.
SO WE KNEW SOMETHING WAS ON FIRE AND YOU COULD SMELL, BUT IT WASN'T LIKE WOOD BURNING.
IT WAS, IT WAS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SMELL.
IT WAS, UM, UNIQUE, I SUPPOSE IS THE, IS THE BEST WORD FOR JEFF.
UM, SO THIS IS, OBVIOUSLY WE DIDN'T TAKE ANY PICTURES WHEN WE FIRST GOT THERE.
THIS WAS, UM, THE HOSE IS STRETCHED AT THAT POINT.
SO, UM, WE OPENED UP THIS, WHEN THE SQUAD PULLED UP.
UM, WE OPENED THE BACK DOOR A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE HONESTLY, THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S ON BURNING.
NOW THEY'VE FLIPPED IN A LITTLE BIT BY THIS POINT, BUT, UH, WE REALIZED, SO, UH, LET ME BACK UP.
THAT THE DRIVER TOLD US THAT HE WAS HAULING SCRAP METAL, UH, AND HIS MIND AND, AND WHAT HE WAS TOLD, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE THOUGHT HE WAS HAULING.
UM, SO WE OPEN IT UP AND, AND ALL THE BATTERIES AND ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT LITERALLY FALLS ONTO THE GROUND.
UM, SO BASED ON, UH, THE SMOKE AND
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THERE WAS A LOT OF SMOKE AND GASES INSIDE OF THE TRAILER, UH, WE RECOGNIZED THAT WE MORE THAN LIKELY HAD SOME SORT OF LITHIUM BATTERIES THAT WERE BURNING INSIDE THE TRAILER UP NEAR THE FRONT, NEAR THE LANDING HERE.SO, UM, SO, UH, WE, WE, WE KIND OF, WE, WE SHUT THE DOOR.
WE TOOK A A STEP BACK AND WE TRIED TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WITH THIS BECAUSE, UM, LITHIUM BATTERIES ARE A, A DIFFERENT KIND OF ANIMAL TO DEAL WITH THIS.
UM, UH, THEY TAKE A LOT OF ORDER.
THEY GO INTO WHAT'S CALLED THERMAL RUNAWAY, WHICH, UH, ONE BATTERY STARTS TO FAIL, WHICH CREATES HEAT, WHICH CAUSES ANOTHER BATTERY TO FAIL.
AND THEY JUST CONTINUE TO GO ON AND ON AND ON AND ON.
UM, IN THE END, UH, THERE WAS 8,800 POUNDS OF LITHIUM ION BATTERS INSIDE OF THIS TRUCK.
UM, ONE OF THE 18 BARRELS THAT WAS IN THERE, AND I'LL SHOW YOU A PICTURE LATER ON, ONE OF THOSE BARRELS HAD GONE INTO A THERMAL RUNAWAY.
UM, OVER THE COURSE OF OUR FIRST 45 MINUTES THERE, THERE WAS FOUR OR FIVE EXPLOSIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THE TRUCK.
UM, ONE OF 'EM WAS SEVERE ENOUGH TO TAKE THE BACK DOOR MOST OF THE WAY OFF.
UM, SO IT WAS, IT WAS NECESSARY FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE TAKING ALL THE RIGHT STEPS.
UH, OUR FIRST STEP HERE WAS THAT WE WERE GONNA PUT A HOLE NEAR THE TOP OF THE TRUCK THAT'S SPOUSAL LADDER, UM, AND TRY AND PUT SOME SORT OF WATER INSIDE TO GET TO THE, THE SEAT OF WHERE THE FIRE WAS.
NOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT OUT THE LITHIUM ION BATTERIES.
OUR, OUR ATTEMPT WAS THE WATER IS TO STOP.
THE OTHER BATTERIES ARE INSIDE OF THE TRUCK AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS INSIDE OF THE TRUCK FROM CATCHING ON FIRE.
UM, WHEN THE BATTERIES START TO RUN AWAY, THEY JUST CONTINUE TO GO AND GO AND GO AND GO.
SO IF WE CAN KEEP THEM COOL, IT KEEPS THE FIRE FROM PROGRESSING.
SO, UM, VERY QUICKLY, UM, THIS IS WHAT WE START DEALING WITH.
UM, IN OUR WORLD, WE CONSIDER THAT UGLY SMOKE.
UM, IT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT YOUR TYPICAL HOUSE FIRE.
IT'S NOT, IT, IT CONTAINS GASES.
IT CONTAINS A LOT OF HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS THAT ARE BUILT INTO THE LITHIUM ION.
UM, EXTREMELY HAZARDOUS TO OUR HEALTH AND THE HEALTH OF EVERYBODY ELSE.
UM, SO, UH, OUR, OUR PLAN IS AT THIS POINT IS TO GET A LOT OF WATER ONTO THIS TRUCK AS SOON AS WE CAN.
UM, WE'RE HINDERED A LITTLE BIT 'CAUSE WHEN WE OPEN THE DOOR, IT ONLY MAKES IT WORSE.
UM, WHEN IT BLOWS OFF, IT KIND OF MAKES IT EASIER FOR US.
'CAUSE IT PUTS US IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE ON THE OTHER DOOR'S OFF.
AND THE OTHER PROBLEM IS THERE IS NO WATER AROUND ON 4 22.
SO, UM, WE STARTED WITH ORIGINALLY THREE TANKERS OR OR THREE TANKERS THAT WE RUN IN THAT AREA WOULD, WOULD BE LIME PERM AND SKIP BACK.
THEY RESPOND, THEY START TO SUPPLY US WITH WATER.
WE FLOW WHAT'S CALLED A BUTS FIRE ON THE BACK, WHICH IS UNMANNED CAN FLOW 500 GALLONS OF WATER A MINUTE.
WE CALL KIMBERTON VALLEY FORGES TANKER.
SO NOW IT'S FIVE TANKERS AND THEY'RE SHOVELING WATER DOWN TO OUR COLA ROAD AND, UM, SPRINGHOUSE.
AND WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE, UH, WE'VE FLOWN ENOUGH WATER THAT WE TRIP THE FIRE ALARM AT THE DAYCARE.
WE SEND THE KIDS OUTSIDE THE SMOKE'S COMING OVER TOP OF THE KIDS.
UM, AND, AND I'LL GET INTO THE ACTION OF THE POLICE LATER ON FOR US.
BUT IT CREATES JUST ONE MORE MONKEY IN THIS WHOLE WRENCH THAT'S GOING ON FOR US.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR US.
IT'S, IT'S, I'VE LEARNED SINCE THAT, THAT PERSON WHO TOLD ME IT WAS THE LARGEST IN IN THE STATE, IT WAS THE LARGEST TRANSPORTATION IN THE STATE.
'CAUSE THEY HAD ONE IN FOX COUNTY.
IT WAS TWO TRAILERS WERE PARKED AGAINST THE DOCK.
UM, THIS WAS THE, THE LARGEST LITHIUM ION BATTERY FIBER SO FAR,
SO, UH, THIS IS WHERE THE DOORS HAVE COME OFF.
UM, THEY DIDN'T COMPLETELY REMOVE THEMSELVES.
WE, THEY BLEW OUT ENOUGH AND THEY WERE REALLY BLEW OUT ENOUGH.
UM, SO WE'RE ABLE NOW TO START REALLY FLOWING A LOT OF WATER.
UM, WE HAVE SINCE STRETCHED A LINE, UH, UP THAT HILL, UM, WHICH IS ALL REALLY, REALLY LOOSE STONES.
AND YOU CAN REALLY FALL AND SLIP A LOT IF YOU HAPPEN TO WALK IT FIVE OR SIX OR EIGHT TIMES.
UM, AND LOWER PROVIDENCE IS NOW ON A HYDRA ON THE TOP BY BEST BUY.
UM, THIS SMOKE IS GOING BASICALLY ACROSS THE ON RAMP.
WE'VE SHUT THE ON RAMP DOWN WESTBOUND, SHUT DOWN.
UH, STATE POLICE WERE THERE VERY EARLY PENN DOTS, UH, THE TOW TRUCK, WHICH IS A CONTRACT COMPANY, THEY WERE THERE ALMOST RIGHT AWAY.
SO THEY WERE ABLE TO SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING FOR US.
AND THEN FIREPLACE TOOK CARE OF THE, UH, ON-RAMP.
PENDO WAS ASKED TO RESPOND WITHIN THE FIRST FIVE MINUTES OF US BEING THERE.
UM, THEY ARRIVED WITH A FOREMAN AT NOON AND SHOWED UP WITH THEIR CREW AT TWO 30.
SO, UH, PENNDOT THEIR HIGHWAY, THEIR ROAD, IF I SOUND LIKE I'M UNHAPPY WITH THEM, THAT WOULD BE A VERY ACCURATE STATEMENT TO MAKE.
THERE WAS A LOT OF, UM, DISCUSSIONS WITH US.
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SO, UH, WE'RE NOW FLOWING ONE OFF THE TANKERS AND ONE OFF OF THE HYDRANT.UM, WE'RE TRYING TO GET AS MUCH WATER INSIDE OF THE TRAILER AS WE CAN.
UM, BUT WE'RE LOSING AGAINST THE TANKERS KEEPING UP WITH THIS.
NOW YOU CAN SEE THE SMOKE AT THIS POINT.
NOW THERE ARE REALLY MORE GASES THAN SMOKE.
UM, THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ACROSS THE ROAD, ACROSS THE ON RAMP AND UP INTO THE TOWN CENTER.
UM, IT'S MUCH WORSE IN THE TOWN CENTER THAN IT IS WHERE WE ARE.
UM, SO WE ASKED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO GO WHERE THE SMOKE WAS REALLY BAD.
UH, 'CAUSE WE HAVE AIR MASKS AND THEY DON'T.
SO IT SEEMED TO BE THE RIGHT DECISION.
UM, THEY HAD, UH, A MINIMUM OF SEVEN OFFICERS THAT WERE IN THE TOWN CENTER.
THEY WERE DIRECTING TRAFFIC, THEY WERE CLOSING THE TOWN CENTER.
THEY WERE GOING TO THE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES.
THEY WERE SHELTERING IN PLACE RECOMMENDING THAT SOME OF THEM CLOSED VOLUNTARILY.
THEY WERE IN THE PROCESS OF, WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING READY TO SHUT THE ENTIRE TOWN CENTER DOWN.
I CANNOT SAY ENOUGH ABOUT HOW, UH, IMPACTFUL THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEN PUBLIC WORKERS THERE RIGHT BEHIND THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE PUTTING BARRICADES OUT FOR US.
THEY'RE PUTTING WARNING SIGNS OUT FOR US.
THEY'RE, THEY WERE TAKING CARE OF THE, THE TRAFFIC FORCE.
UM, WHEN WE REALIZED THAT WE'RE BLOWING, GO, GO TO NEXT THINK WHEN WE REALIZED THAT WE'RE, YOU CAN SEE THE TWO LINES THAT ARE GOING UP THERE.
SO WE STRETCH THE SECOND LINE.
ONE IS FIVE INCHES, ONE IS THREE INCHES.
UH, THE PLAN IS THAT THREE INCHES DOING WHAT YOU SAW COMING IN THE BACK.
THE TANKERS ARE SUPPORTING THAT SECOND ONE IN THE BACK.
AND THE FINE MISSIONS GO TO SUPPORT.
UH, WE, WE CALL IT A, AN AERIAL APPARATUS FROM UPPER MARION.
UM, NOW THEY, IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET HERE AT THIS POINT.
REALLY, REALLY HARD TO GET HERE.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT MAKES IT EASY FOR THEM TO GET THERE.
UH, THEY HAVE A, IT'S AN UNMANNED AERIAL THAT THEY CAN PUT IN PLACE THAT WE CAN, UH, PIERCE THE ROOF WITH AND FLOW WATER INSIDE OF THE FRONT OF THE TRAILER.
SO WITH THAT IN MIND, KNOWING THAT WE'RE FLOWING THAT MUCH WATER, UH, COULD BEEN MAXIMUM FUEL.
UM, THIS IS, YOU CAN SEE THE FIRE NOW STARTING TO COME OUT OF THE TOP, WHICH MEANS WE NO LONGER HAVE TO PIERCE THE TRAILER.
UM, BUT THAT'S KIND OF IN AREA WHERE ALL THE BARRELS ARE BURNING.
UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF HOSE, A LOT OF, A LOT OF ACTION GOING ON.
UM, WE HAD THE CHANGE, 'CAUSE THE, WHERE THE TANKERS WERE JUST PARKED A MINUTE AGO, WE HAD THE CHANGE ACT 'CAUSE THE SMOKE WAS GOING OVER TOP OF THEM.
SO WE HAD AN ADDITIONAL FIVE TANKERS.
AND WE SET UP A, UM, WHERE WE FILL OUR TANKERS UP AT THE RESTAURANT DEPOT.
SO THE PLAN IS WE'RE GONNA RUN UP AND DOWN WEST BOUND 4 22 WITH THE 10 TANKERS TO SUPPORT ADDITION TO THE HYDROGEN SYSTEM.
NOW, JEFF, UPPER MARION SWEETS BURG SHOWS UP WITH THEIR, IT'S CALLED A SQUIRT.
UM, THAT'S THEM APPLYING THAT.
SO THEY'RE PUTTING A THOUSAND GALLONS OF WATER IN IT.
WE'RE PUTTING A TOTAL OF A THOUSAND GALLONS OF WATER IN THE BACK.
UM, WE'RE GETTING, WE'RE AT THIS POINT, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS A SHOPPING CENTER CLOSED FOR AN HOUR.
THEY, UM, PUT THE KIDS BACK INSIDE THE SCHOOL.
EVERYTHING WHICH HAS AFFECTED OUTWARDS.
UH, WE MADE LOTS AND LOTS OF NOTIFICATIONS TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT THIS.
UM, AND WE'VE, WE'VE APPLIED ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND GALLONS OF WATER IN THIS TRAILER AT THIS POINT.
UM, IT'S BURNING, IT'S REALLY, REALLY BURNING.
UM, THE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF SMOKE COMING OFF OF IT.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT JUST GOES OUT.
IT'S LIKE IT TURNS A SWITCH OFF.
UM, AND WE ALL STOOD THERE AND SAID, IS IT OUT? AND WE STOPPED.
UM, WE JUST STOPPED PUTTING ORDER ON IT AND WE SAID, WELL, LET'S WAIT AND SEE.
AND, AND IN FACT, WE DID GET ENOUGH ORDER ONTO THE FIRE THAT, UM, THAT WAS THREE HOURS LATER.
SO AT 8 0 8 WE GET DISPATCHED.
IT'S ABOUT QUARTER AFTER 11 WHEN WE FINALLY PUT IT UNDER CONTROL.
UM, BECAUSE WE HAD APPLIED A HUNDRED THOUSAND GALLONS OF WATER INTO THIS TRAIL.
SO, UH, THERE WAS FOUR OF THESE SESSIONS THAT HAPPENED.
UM, THESE ARE OUR PLANNING SESSIONS AND THERE'S, THERE'S, WE BRING EVERYBODY IN.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S 20 FIRE DEPARTMENTS ARE ON LOCATION AND THERE'S EIGHT OTHER AGENCIES.
SO THE COUNTY HAZMAT TEAMS THERE, EMS IS THERE, THE TOW COMPANY'S THERE, THE STATE POLICE ARE THERE.
THE, UM, UM, ALL THE OTHER, EVERYBODY THAT DPS THERE.
UH, ULTIMATELY THE, THE COMPANY REPRESENTATIVE IS THERE.
UM, THE GUY IN THE RED TRUCK IS THE TRUCK, THE POOR TRUCK, TRUCK
UM, SO WE, WE MEET TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY HOW DO WE WANT TO DO THIS.
UM, AND WE DO THIS FOUR TIMES DURING THE DAY, UH, TO, TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S OUR NEXT STEP.
ARE WE DOING THE RIGHT THING? GOOD, JEFF, THAT'S THE TANKERS THAT ARE LINED UP WAITING TO COME UP.
UM, IN THE END, THEY WERE SENT HOME 'CAUSE WE NEVER NEEDED TO USE AS WE GOT 'EM ALL THERE AND WE WERE, WE WERE GETTING EVERYTHING SET UP AND MOVING THE TANKERS OUT OF THE GA OUT OF THE SMOKE AND GAS, UH, THE FIRE WENT OUT.
SO, UM, WE PULLED 'EM FROM EVERYWHERE.
UM, WE HAVE PLANS IN PLACE TO DO
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THAT.UM, AND I, SO I PUT, I THREW THIS IN HERE JUST 'CAUSE MOST PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
UM, WE'RE THERE FOR A LONG, LONG, LONG, LONG TIME.
UM, THAT'S A SHELTER TRUCK IN FRONT OF US HAS A BATHROOM IN PLACE.
YOU CAN GO AND GET COLD OR WE'RE WARM UP AND THEY FEED US.
UM, SO, UM, IT'S THE BEST FOOD IN THE WORLD WHEN YOU'VE BEEN OUT FOR ABOUT EIGHT HOURS.
UM, IT'S PROBABLY THE WORST FOOD IF YOU'VE ONLY BEEN THERE FOR FIVE MINUTES.
BUT THERE'S NOTHING BETTER THAN ONE SEEING THEM PULL UP.
SO, UM, WE HAVE 50 OR 60 FIREFIGHTERS THERE AT THIS POINT FROM THE 20 COMPANIES.
AND IN ADDITION, THE POLICE TO EVERYBODY ELSE.
UM, WE DONATE TO THEM, DON'T, WILL MAKE A DONATION TO THEM, WHICH IS 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT SUPPORTED BY ANY MUNICIPALITY.
SO INSIDE OF THE TRAILER, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN WE GET THE FIRE OUT, THAT'S WHERE YOU SAW THE FIRE COMING OUT, THE HOLE THERE.
UM, THAT IS A BIG, BIG STACK OF, UM, WHAT WERE, UM, THEY'RE CALLED, UM, GAYLORDS OR PALLETS WITH CARDBOARD RINGS.
AND THEY'RE FILLED DOUBLE STACKED ALL THE WAY UP TO THE CEILING WITH ELECTRONIC SCRAP METAL SCRAP MATERIAL.
UM, THERE ARE THE BARRELS IN THE FRONT, AND IF YOU LOOK UP NEAR THE FRONT, THERE'S A, LIKE, WHAT LOOKS LIKE TWO GREEN BARRELS AND, AND THEN BEHIND THAT THERE'S TWO BARRELS AND THEN THERE'S AN OPENING THERE.
WELL, THAT WAS THE BARREL THAT IS COMPLETELY 100% DISINTEGRATED.
THAT WAS THE ONE THAT, THAT, UH, THAT WENT INTO THE THERMAL RUNAWAY.
UH, WHEN WE LEFT AT THIS POINT, UM, FIVE OF THOSE BARRELS OF WATER WAS SITTING ON TOP OF, AND THE WATER WAS BOILING.
THIS IS ALMOST TWO HOURS AFTER WE HAD LEFT.
THAT'S HOW HOT THE BATTERIES ENCLOSED WE WERE TO GOING INTO THE THERMAL RUNAWAY.
THERE WAS GASES COMING OFF OF TWO OF THEM AND FIVE OF 'EM, THE WOULD'VE CONTINUED TO BOIL SEVERAL HOURS AFTER WE HAD STOPPED PUTTING THE FIRE OUT.
JEFF, AFRAID, I THINK THAT'S MY ANSWER.
WEREN'T YOU AFRAID IT WAS JUST GONNA COMBUST AGAIN? I MEAN, OH YEAH.
SO, UM, WE STAYED, WE HAD, WE KEPT AN ENGINE ON LOCATION UNTIL 8:00 AM THE NEXT MORNING.
UH, ONCE WE GOT ALL THE SCRAP ELECTRONICS OUT OF IT, WE WERE ABLE TO TOW IT OVER TO THE ON RAMP AND GET 4 22 OPEN AGAIN.
UM, AND THEN THEY, THE COMPANY THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE ONE THAT SHIPPED IT WAS THE COMPANY THAT CAME IN THEN AND REMOVED ALL THE, THE BATTERIES.
AND DP WAS REALLY, UM, INSTRUMENTAL IN TELLING THEM EXACTLY HOW TO DO IT.
UM, THEY WERE NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED TO REMOVE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS IN PENNSYLVANIA.
SO THEY WENT TO TARGET TO GET THE SUPPLIES THEY NEEDED.
AT THAT POINT, WE WERE REALLY QUESTIONING WHAT WAS GOING ON
UM, BUT THEY, THEY DID REMOVE ALL THE PRODUCTS.
WE STOOD BY IN CASE ANYTHING HAPPENED.
WE HAD, UM, A CHEMICAL PRODUCT CALLED F 500 THAT WE PUT ON THAT WOULD ENCAPSULATE THE BATTERIES.
UH, AND FORTUNATELY, UM, NONE OF THEM TOOK OFF AGAIN BECAUSE WE TRULY THOUGHT THEY WOULD.
SO IT WAS A 24 HOUR OPERATION FOR US.
UM, MOST OF THE COMPANIES WERE RELEASED.
WE WERE, WE RELEASED BY ABOUT SEVEN 30.
ROERS WERE LEFT AROUND NINE, AND THEN WE STAYED OVERNIGHT.
UM, ALL TOLD THERE WAS EIGHT OTHER AGENCIES AND THEN THE 20 FIRE DEPARTMENTS WERE ON LOCATION.
SO THERE'S BEEN QUESTION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS.
THE, THE, THE OWNER, THE TRUCKING COMPANY DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING THAT GOES ON.
THEY DON'T HAUL BATS FOR THE DRIVER GOES THERE TO PICK IT UP.
THEY'VE GOT A SEAL ON THE BACK OF THE TRAILER, WHICH THEY NORMALLY DON'T.
THE TRUCK DRIVER'S NOT ALLOWED TO BREAK THAT.
UM, SO HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE IS HAULING.
HE THINKS HE'S THE BUILDING SAYS SCRAP METAL.
UM, IT'S ONLY JUST KIND OF THROUGH OUR EXPERIENCE IN THE TRAINING THAT WE'VE HAD THAT WE, WE ALL, WE FIGURED OUT WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS GOING ON INSIDE, AND THEN THE FOUR OR FIVE EXPLOSIONS KIND OF SET FOR US.
SO, UM, WHEN YOU SEE THAT UGLY, CHUNKY, BROWN SMOKING OUT, IT'S SORT OF LIKE, I KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.
UM, SO, AND, AND ANSWER TO IS ANYTHING BEING DONE? UM, I'VE SUBMITTED REPORTS TO, UM, PENNSYLVANIA'S DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY, UH, PROTECTION, DEP.
UH, THE UNITED STATES, UH, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION PIPELINE AND HAZARDOUS BUREAU SAFETY ADMINISTRATION CALLED ME TWO DAYS LATER.
THEY'VE GOT ALL OF OUR REPORTS AND THE STATE POLICE MOTOR CARRIER ENFORCEMENT UNIT IS LEADING THE INVESTIGATION INTO THIS, UH, AS TO WHICH WAY THEY WANT TO GO WITH IT.
SO, UH, THEY RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S A LOT THAT WENT WRONG HERE FROM WAY, WAY BEFORE THEY CAME TO US.
UM, WE DID A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS RIGHT.
WE CERTAINLY MADE SOME MISTAKES.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A, UM, AFTER ACTION REVIEW WITH THE DEPARTMENTS THAT WERE THE PRIMARY DEPARTMENTS THAT WERE WITH US, UH, TO GO OUT WHEREVER.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ASKING.
I'VE BEEN CONTACTED BY A LOT OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS, UM, ASKING WHAT WE DID AND HOW WE DID IT.
AND IT'S BASICALLY THE EQUIVALENT OF HAVING
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10, UH, TESLAS INSIDE OF THAT TRAILER IS WHAT WE HAD.THAT'S HOW MUCH BATTERIES WERE IN THERE.
UH, SO, UH, IT WAS CERTAINLY UNIQUE, BUT I THINK WE'RE KNOWN FOR THAT IN UPPER PROVINCE AT THIS POINT.
UM, AND, UH, YEAH, WE DID, WE DID A LOT OF THINGS RIGHT.
SO WE HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL OUTCOME OUT OF IT.
TELL ABOUT THE WHITE STUFF ON TOP OF THE BARRELS, WHAT THAT IS.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE BOILING, THAT'S THE WOOD THAT'S BOILING.
UH, IT WAS KIND OF LIKE A FOAMY BOIL.
YOU PUT LUNCH ON TOP OF IT, YOU COULD.
YEAH, THEY, THEY WERE, I MEAN, WE WALKED IN AND WE SAW 'EM GASSING OFF.
YOU KNOW, IT WAS KIND OF LIKE, BUT BUT IT WAS, IT WAS, UM, I WANNA SAY IT WAS SCARY.
IT WAS, IT WAS INTIMIDATING A LITTLE BIT KNOWING WHAT THEY DO AND WHAT THEY CAN DO AND WATCHING.
LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S STRONG ENOUGH AND POWERFUL ENOUGH AND IT'S, IT'S GASSES THAT ARE, THAT MAKE THOSE EXPLOSIONS TO BLOW THE BACK DOORS OFF OF THE, OF A TRUCK.
THEY'RE NOT, WE DON'T LIKE TO MESS AROUND WITH THEM TOO MUCH.
SO THE BARRELS ACTUALLY ARE, ARE WHAT PROTECTED IT.
THEY DIDN'T ALLOW THE HEAT TO GET INTO THOSE OTHER BARRELS TO THE POINT WHERE IT GOT IN THE THERMAL RUNAWAY.
SO IT WOULD'VE BEEN, WE WOULD, WE'D STILL BE THERE.
I MEAN, IT WOULD'VE BEEN HORRIBLE ALL BURNING TO THAT, TO THAT EXTENT.
BUT THE WHERE'S WHAT KEPT IT TOO.
'CAUSE ALL THIS LITHIUM BATTERIES, YOU DON'T KNOW.
YEAH, IT'S, THE BATTERIES ARE WAY AHEAD OF US.
ONE OF THESE INCIDENTS, AND NOT TO THIS DEGREE, BUT EVEN THE, THE CARS, UH, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL COMPUTER BATTERIES HERE IN THE TOWNSHIP THAT PEOPLE HAVE CALLED US ON AND THEY, THEY, THEY SWELL AND THEY'RE SMOKING.
AND, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE LEARN EVERY TIME.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAINING THAT WE GO THROUGH, BUT THE, THE TRAINING CHANGES AS WE FIGURE THINGS OUT.
SO WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS RIGHT A YEAR AGO IS DIFFERENT TODAY AND WILL PROBABLY BE DIFFERENT TOMORROW, WHICH IS WHY THE, WHY THERE'S SO MUCH INTEREST IN LEARNING FROM WHAT HAPPENED HERE.
UM, I'M, I'M CONFIDENT THAT THE AMOUNT OF WATER WE PUT ON THERE IS WHAT KEPT EVERYTHING ELSE COOL ENOUGH TO NOT ALLOW THERMAL, ADDITIONAL THERMAL RUNAWAY.
UM, BUT IT CERTAINLY IS, IT'S A CHALLENGE.
IT'S A CHALLENGE THAT WILL CONTINUE TO, UH, UH, CHALLENGE US.
UM, IT'S A PROBLEM THAT WILL CONTINUE TO CHALLENGE US.
WE HAVE, WE PURCHASED, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF PURCHASING, UH, KITS THAT THE RESIDENTS CAN GET IF THEY HAVE BATTERIES FOR COMPUTERS AND OUR RECOMMENDATIONS SOON.
THEY CALLS, TAKE 'EM OUTSIDE, TAKE 'EM AWAY FROM EVERYTHING, LET 'EM SIT OUTSIDE.
WE BRING THE KITS OVER AS LONG AS THEY HAVEN'T GONE INTO A THERMAL RUNAWAY AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE SWOLLEN AND, AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE MORE AND MORE OF THEM.
UH, WE PUT 'EM IN THIS, WE, THEY, WE PACK IT IN A BOX AND WE PUT THESE, THE STUFF AROUND IT THAT KEEPS 'EM FROM HAPPENING.
WE PUT IT IN ANOTHER BOX IN A BAG AND ANOTHER BOX, AND THEN WE TAKE THE UPS STORE AND THEY SHIP IT BACK TO WHEREVER THEY TAKE CARE OF IT.
SO THE, THE CHEMICALS THAT WE'RE PUTTING AROUND ARE, ARE WHAT'S KEEPING IT FROM GOING INTO OUR WHOLE RUNWAY.
IT'S DEFINITELY, UM, IT'S DEFINITELY A CHALLENGE FOR US.
UM, BUT OUR RECOMMENDATION TO PEOPLE IS, UM, USE THE CORRECT CHARGER THAT YOU HAD.
YOU SHOULD, YOU SHOULD P TOUCH YOUR CHARGER FOR WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GET IT.
MIXING CHARGERS ARE REALLY, REALLY BAD FOR LITHIUM BATTERIES.
UM, DON'T DROP THEM AND DON'T GET AWAY.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE SEEN THIS, THESE BOUNCED UP 4 22 AND HIT EVERY POTHOLE WAS ON 4 22
TELL ME, DID THEY GET IT? DID THEY BOUNCE AROUND A LOT?
UM, TIM, DO YOU WANT TO GIVE US A QUICK UPDATE ON THE 2026 VERY QUICK? UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD OUR LAST, UH, BUDGET WORKSHOP LAST THURSDAY.
JUST WANT TO UPDATE THE TIMELINE.
YOU KNOW, WE REALLY DIDN'T PLAN TO HAVE FOUR WORKSHOPS.
SO WE HAD OUR LAST ONE ON, ON THE, UH, LAST THURSDAY.
IT WAS BUDGETED FOR THREE HOURS, BUT I THINK WE GOT THROUGH IN ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF.
I JUST WANTED TO, UM, IF YOU RECALL THAT LAST SLIDE WE DID, WE, UH, WERE ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY CLOSE THE 900 AND, UH, NINE, $950,000, UM, DEFICIT THROUGH A COMBINATION OF, UM, NON-TAXABLE REVENUE ENHANCEMENTS IN SOME, UH, UH, SOME DEFERRAL OF SOME CAPITAL PROJECTS AND SOME, UH, UH, TAKES, UH, SOME MINOR TAKES THAT ADD UP TO SIGNIFICANT DOLLARS THROUGHOUT ALL THE COST CENTERS.
SO WE HAVE HERE A TENTATIVELY BALANCED BUDGET, UH, OF, IN THE, IN THE GENERAL FUND OF, UH, 23, UH, $0.4 MILLION IN REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES.
UM, WE STILL ARE KIND OF IN A HOLDING PATTERN NOW TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE, UH, OPEN SPACE REFERENDUM.
GENERALLY IN A NORMAL BUDGET YEAR, WE'D BE, UH, UH, PROBABLY DOING THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET PROBABLY WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO.
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TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.SO, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO GET, UH, NORMALLY WHEN WE WOULD HAVE OUR BUDGET ADOPTED, UH, PROBABLY AROUND DECEMBER 1ST TO DO THAT 20 DAY, UH, UH, ADVERTISEMENT, REQUIRED ADVERTISEMENT WINDOW.
WELL, WE, WE SHOULD HAVE EVERYTHING READY, UH, FOR ADOPTION ON DECEMBER 8TH.
BUT THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET, ACTUAL, UH, BUDGET WHERE YOU GUYS SET THE, UH, CLOCK AND IT BECOMES A, A PUBLIC DOCUMENT WOULD BE NOVEMBER 17TH.
AND, UH, WE HAVE 20 DAYS, UH, EVERY YEAR.
WE, WE ALWAYS COUNT THE CALENDARS BECAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAS 20 DAYS TO REVIEW IT.
AND BY LAW WE HAVE TO HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET.
UH, NOT ALL LEVELS GOVERNMENT DO, BUT WE DO.
UM, AS FAR AS NEXT YEAR GOES, UH, WE, WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE COURT RULES, BUT WE THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 400 AND 500,000 MORE AND REDUCED REVENUE DUE TO ASSESSMENTS ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
BUT WE DON'T KNOW UNTIL THEY, THAT THAT ISN'T OUR MIND.
AND I JUST WANT TO COMMIT ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS.
WE ALL HAD TO TIGHTEN OUR BELTS AND THIS ISSUE THIS YEAR WAS NOT A SPENDING PROBLEM.
AND WE, WE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD'VE BEEN EASY JUST TO RAISE TAXES.
WE WANTED TO TIGHTEN THE BELT.
I THINK YOU SAW FULL STAFF AT OUR LAST WORKSHOP, SO YEAH.
THANKS TIM FOR LEADING THE CHARGE TOO.
ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS EVERY, WE GAVE UP SOMETHING.
SO APPRECIATE THAT AND THE EFFORT.
[CONSULTANT REPORTS]
ALRIGHT, UM, JEN, DO YOU HAVE A REPORT ON ENGINEERING AND CAPITAL EQUIPMENTS? YEAH, I JUST WANNA GIVE YOU A QUICK SUMMARY.UH, DEP WAS HERE TODAY FOR A COUPLE HOURS DOING AN MS FOUR INSPECTION.
UH, STARTED IN OFFICE, THEN WE WENT OUT TO PUBLIC WORKS WHERE, UH, DEP WAS VERY COMPLIMENTARY OF WHAT DON AND HIS CREW WERE DOING OUT THERE.
THEN WE HEADED OVER TO, UH, THE GREENWOOD AVENUE STREAM BANK RESTORATION WHERE DEP WALKED THE SITE OUT THERE AND ACCEPTED THOSE, UM, THAT PROJECT THAT WAS DONE FOR THE PRP PLAN.
THE FINALIZATION FOR THE PAPERWORK FOR THAT STILL WILL NOT HAPPEN UNTIL SEPTEMBER OF 2026.
AND, UH, NOW ITEM 13, WHICH IS OUR, UH, MONTHLY, UH, DEVELOPER IMPROVEMENT GUARANTEE REDUCTION LIST.
UH, I'LL GO AHEAD AND PRACTICE MY NUMBER READING SKILLS AND I'LL MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE THE MONTHLY DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPER IMPROVEMENT GUARANTEE REDUCTION LIST AS FOLLOWS.
ITEM A CANTERBURY MEADOWS RELEASE NUMBER ONE IN THE AMOUNT OF $2,187,687 AND 31 CENTS.
ANYONE, ANYONE OPPOSED? THANK YOU.
UH, MR. SOLICITOR, ANYTHING? WELL, I, I DID TALK TO ZACH TODAY AND HE SAID THERE WAS NOTHING TO REPORT.
[SUPERVISORS COMMENTS]
SUPERVISOR'S COMMENTS.I'LL JUST SAY, UH, NOVEMBER 4TH IS ELECTION DAY.
[UPCOMING EVENTS]
UPCOMING EVENTS, UH, ORDER SITE SUPERVISORS MEETING SCHEDULED NOVEMBER 17TH AT SEVEN O'CLOCK.AND THEN WE HAVE TWO MEETINGS SCHEDULED IN DECEMBER AS WE USUALLY DO IN CASE OF BUDGET PROBLEMS. BUT WE WILL BE HOLDING BOTH MEETINGS.
AND THE FIRST MEETING ON DECEMBER 1ST AT 6:00 PM WILL PRIMARILY BE A LAND DEVELOPMENT MEETING.
WE HAVE, UH, FOUR OR FIVE, I THINK LARGE DOWN FOUR.
FOUR DOWN FOUR FOUR, UH, FAIRLY LENGTHY, UH, DISCUSSIONS WITH DEVELOPERS IN THAT MEETING.
AND THEN DECEMBER 8TH, WE WILL BE ADOPTING OUR BALANCED BUDGET FOR 2026.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SCHEDULED, UH, NOVEMBER 5TH AT 7:00 PM THEY WILL MEET AND ON THEIR AGENDA IS 5 92 MENNONITE ROAD, TENTATIVE AND CONDITIONAL USE, HIGH COLLEGEVILLE MULTIFAMILY.
UH, LOVER'S LANE, TENTATIVE, PRELIMINARY AND FINAL, AND LENNAR RESIDENTIAL, THAT THAT'S WHAT WILL BE COMING OFF.
AND WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN THEY'LL MEET AGAIN ON NOVEMBER 19TH AT 7:00 PM AND ON THAT AGENDA ARE CONTINUATION OF ITEMS FROM NOVEMBER 5TH AS WELL AS RIDGE PIKE ZONING.
UH, THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL MEETS AGAIN ON NOVEMBER 19TH AT 6:00 PM PARKS AND RECREATION MEETS, UH, NOVEMBER 12TH AT 6:00 PM THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY MEETS, UH, DECEMBER 4TH AT 7:00 PM UH, OUR ZONING HEARING BOARD MEETING SCHEDULED, UH, RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THREE MEETINGS SCHEDULED NOW.
THERE'S A HEARING TOMORROW NIGHT AND IT'S A CONTINUATION
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OF ASSIGNED VARIANCE REQUEST FROM THE, UH, OAKS EXPO SIDE.THAT THE, THE APPLICANT HAS TO REOPEN THE HEARING.
THEY'VE, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY HAVE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR BASED ON NEIGHBORHOOD FEEDBACK.
UH, AND THEN UNION STREET'S DEFENSE VARIANCE, THEY JUST WANNA PUT UP A HIGHER FENCE THAN, THAN, THAN IS ALLOWED.
'CAUSE THEY FRONT ON A, ON TWO STREETS.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE PARCELS THAT'S FRONT AND BACK ON THE STREET.
AND THEN THE, THE DATE WE DO NOT KNOW IS 5 92 MENNONITE ROAD.
THE PICKLEBALL PORTION OF THE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SORT OF THAT TRIFECTA OF THE ENTERTAINMENT, THE CONDITIONAL USE, AND THE PICKLEBALL.
THIS IS THE, THE ZONING HEARING BOARD SIDE OF THAT.
AND WE HAVE GIVEN THEM AT YOUR REQUEST, WE HAVE GIVEN THEM A LETTER ZACH WROTE A LETTER OF, OF WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS CONDITIONS IN THAT.
WE HAVEN'T OBVIOUSLY GOT THE HEARING, SO WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IS YET, BUT THAT THEY HAVE THAT ON RECORD.
IF, UH, THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.