[*This meeting is joined in progress]
[CALL TO ORDER / MOTION TO APPROVE October 1, 2025 AGENDA]
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APPROVING THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING.
EVERYBODY GOT A COPY? HOPEFULLY IT'S IN THE BACK.
UM, UH, ANY QUESTIONS FROM YOU GUYS ON THE BOARD HERE ABOUT THE AGENDA TONIGHT? I'LL TAKE A MOTION THEN TO ACCEPT THE AGENDA.
WE HAVE APPROVED THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING, WHICH IS, UH, I SEE ALLISON OUT THERE.
SO WE, WE CERTAINLY GOT, YOU KNOW, SHE GOT HER MERRY MEN WITH 'EM TONIGHT.
UM, WITH THAT, WE'LL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON NON AGENDA ITEMS. SO IF YOU SEE ANY AGENDA, IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT, ANYBODY OUT THERE THAT HAS ANY COMMENT ON ANYTHING, UH, THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, THIS WOULD BE THE TIME TO COME ON UP, NOT HEARING ANY.
[GENERAL DISCUSSION ITEMS]
SO WE'VE GOT A COUPLE THINGS TO DO HERE.UH, THERE'S, UH, SOME TYPO ON THE FIRST THING, COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES.
IT'S ACTUALLY SEPTEMBER, UH, IN BOTH MEETINGS IN SEPTEMBER, NOT JULY AND AUGUST.
SO THEY'RE ATTACHED TO YOUR PACKET HERE.
UH, IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH THE TWO, UH, THE TWO MINUTES FROM OUR LAST TWO MEETINGS IN SEPTEMBER, ONE ON THE 17TH, AND I THINK THE OTHER WAS ON THE FIFTH.
UH, WE, UH, TAKE A MINUTE TO KIND OF LEAF THROUGH THAT AND IF, UH, ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
IF NOT, WE'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE BOTH MINUTES AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, AND AGAIN, AGAIN, IT'S, UH, SEPTEMBER 3RD AND SEPTEMBER 17TH.
BOB'S MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE MINUTES FOR THOSE TWO, UH, LAST MONTH.
AND THEN THE NEXT DISCUSSION POINT WE GOT MOVING ALONG IS, UH, LENNAR RESIDENTIAL AT 1000.
WELL, JEFF AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS BEFORE THE MEETING, AND I COULD RECALL MUCH ABOUT IT.
BUT I GUESS THE, UM, UH, THEY WERE TOLD TO CUT BACK THEIR, UH, UM, THEY NEEDED TO GET A VARIANCE FROM THE, UH, ZONING BOARD.
THEY, THEY HAD ASKED, THEY HAD BROUGHT IN A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL USE GROUP FIVE, FIVE.
UM, AND THEY WENT TO THE BOARD.
THE BOARD DECLINED TO OFFER THEM A, A HEARING ON THAT ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT RIGHT, ON THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY THOUGHT THE NUMBER WAS TOO HIGH.
SO, NARS, WHAT WAS THE NUMBER AGAIN? ONE, ONE,
ALLISON IS OUR OWN BEHALF OF NAR.
UM, THE, THE NUMBER WE HAD ORIGINALLY WAS ONE 20, AND THE NEW PLAN THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS 70.
AND THE, THE OTHER DISTINCTION IS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF KEVIN WAS HERE WHEN WE DID THIS PREVIOUSLY.
I COULDN'T REMEMBER IF YOU WERE ON THE BOARD AT THAT TIME OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THAT TIME.
UM, THE OTHER DIFFERENCE IS IN THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SUPERVISORS, THERE WAS, YOU MAY RECALL THE OLD PLAN WAS SHOWING A MIX OF STACK TOWNS AND AGE TARGETED UNITS.
THERE WAS, UM, IT WAS EXPRESSED THAT, UH, AGE TARGETED WAS MORE OF A PREFERENCE.
SO THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE UP ON THE SCREEN TONIGHT IS SHOWING AGE TARGETED ONLY.
NOW, WAS THAT, UH, THERE'S A BUILDING THERE, RIGHT? THERE IS A BUILDING THERE.
SO THERE'S AN 80, APPROXIMATELY 80,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THAT'S BEEN VACANT FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
UM, THE MASTER PLAN FOR PROVIDENCE CORPORATE CENTER, UH, WOULD'VE ALLOWED FOR, UM, EXPANSION UP TO 150,000 SQUARE FEET AND A PARKING GARAGE.
SO THERE'S JUST SURFACE PARKING AND 80,000 SQUARE FOOT, UM, AND YOUR, THAT BUILDING WILL GO AWAY AND THAT BUILDING WOULD BE DEMOLISHED.
SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ON THE, ON THE BLACK, LIKE THIS BLACK AND WHITE OVERLAY, THE, UM, THE AERIAL INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN SEE UNDERNEATH IS THE EXISTING BUILDING AND, UM, PARKING AND ROAD NETWORK.
AND ARIEL, THAT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE EASIER TO SEE.
SO IN GENERAL, AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR ACCESS POINTS, THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE SHOWED PREVIOUSLY.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF FRONTAGE FOR THIS PROPERTY.
IT'S KIND OF A INTERESTING PIECE IN THAT SENSE.
AND SO OUR PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO RETAIN THE EXISTING ACCESS POINTS THAT ARE ON, UM, ON CAMPUS DRIVE AS PART OF THIS.
BUT YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S THERE TODAY IN THAT AERIAL.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE OUR PLAN, THE IDEA OF BEING THAT, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY KEEPING THAT SAME CONFIGURATION SORT OF THROUGH THE SITE.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE ASSUMING WE WOULD NEED TO UPGRADE AND ADD STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.
I MEAN, THERE IS STORM WATER MANAGEMENT ON THE SITE, BUT JUST TO MEET, YOU KNOW, CURRENT REQUIREMENTS.
I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO DO THIS, ALISON, BUT HOW MUCH EDITING DO YOU THINK WE NEED TO DO TO THE ZONING TEXT? WELL, I DID GO THROUGH THAT.
AND, UM, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A WHOLE LOT.
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UH, THE MAIN THING, AND I THINK PROBABLY THE MOST SIGNIFICANT THING IS OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD REDUCE THE MAXIMUM DENSITY REQUIREMENT, UM, WHICH WAS PROPOSE PROPOSED AT SEVEN DRAWING UNITS PER GROSS ACRE, AND WE'RE DOWN FOUR PER GROSS ACRE.NOW WITH THAT, UM, REDUCTION DENSITY OF 50 UNITS, UM, THE IMPER, LIKE THE MAX IMPERVIOUS AND THAT KIND OF THING IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.
UM, OUR BUILDING LENGTH IS SLIGHTLY SHORTER THAN WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING PREVIOUSLY.
SO A COUPLE THINGS LIKE THAT WE COULD, WE COULD TWEAK.
UM, AND, BUT IT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT OTHERWISE.
ZACH, I'M SORRY, ZACH, DO YOU WANNA MEMORIALIZE IN THERE THE AGE RESTRICTION? SURE.
I MEAN, FOR, FOR A COMMUNITY LIKE THIS WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE THAT MANY BULLYING UNITS, WHEN YOU DO A TRUE AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITY, YOU REALLY NEED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DENSITY TO SUPPORT THE CLUBHOUSE AND THOSE TYPES OF FUNCTIONS.
SO SOMETHING AT THIS LEVEL WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN AND SUPPORT THAT FROM A LONG TERM PERSPECTIVE AS FROM THE HOA PERSPECTIVE.
SO WE WOULD DO THEM AS H TARGETED.
AND MIKE BROWN, WHO'S WITH ME TONIGHT, UM, THE OTHER SIDE WE HAVE IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE UNIT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
IT DOES HAVE WHAT EVERYBODY CALLS A MASTER DOWN, BUT YOUR OWNER SUITE IS DOWNSTAIRS IN THE UNIT.
UM, SO IT IS TARGETED TOWARDS THE, THE BUYER THAT WOULD WANT THAT DOWNSTAIRS OWNER SUITE.
NOW ARE THEY, BECAUSE YOU CUT THE NUMBER ALMOST IN HALF.
WHAT, WHAT, UH, ARE THEY BIGGER NOW? UM, THEY'RE, WELL IN THE SENSE THAT THERE WERE STACKED UNITS, THE STACKED UNITS WERE SMALLER, BUT THIS IS THE SAME AGE TARGETED PRODUCT THAT WE WERE PROPOSING PREVIOUSLY.
SO I CAN HAVE MIKE JUST YEAH, SURE.
GIVE YOU A LITTLE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.
SO YEAH, THIS IS OUR, CAN INTRODUCE YOURSELF, MIKE, MIKE BROWN WITH, UH, LENNAR.
SO THIS IS OUR TAILOR, UM, SAME FLOOR PLAN THAT WE PRESENTED LAST TIME.
IT WAS JUST INTERMIXED WITH SOME STACK PRODUCT AND SOME, UM, OTHER TOWN HOME UNITS.
SO, UH, THIS IS A PLAN THAT WE BUILD TRADITIONALLY IN OUR AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITIES.
UH, WE HAVE A COUPLE ACTIVE IN THE DELAWARE MARKET, UM, AT THE MOMENT WHERE WE'RE BUILDING THIS FLOOR PLAN.
AND THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE THAT, THAT RENDERING AND FLOOR PLAN FROM.
UM, SO JUST BY THE NATURE OF IT BEING A FIRST FLOOR OWNER SUITE, UM, IS, IS CONDUCIVE TO THE, UH, TO THE ACTIVE ADULT LIFESTYLE.
SO AS ALLISON MENTIONED, WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO, TO USE THIS AS AN AGE TARGETED COMMUNITY, UM, JUST BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY AND THE LACK OF THE, UM, COMMUNITY AMENITY TO US.
THE REAL AMENITY HERE IS THE, THE LOCATION, THE WALKABILITY TO THE TOWN CENTER AND, UM, YOU KNOW, ACCESS TO COMMUTER ROUTE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
WHAT, WHAT, OR YOU OR ALLISON, WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF H TARGETING? SO IT, YEAH, YOU WANNA TAKE THAT? I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK TO IT.
YEAH, I MEAN, IN, IN GENERAL, UM, I MEAN, IT'S REALLY MORE OF WHAT I'LL CALL A MARKETING TERM IN THE SENSE THAT THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT TYPICALLY THAT THE, UM, OLDER BUYER MAY BE INTERESTED IN BECAUSE OF THAT DOWNSTAIRS OWNER SUITE VERSUS, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY THAT'S YOUNGER AND STARTING OUT.
SO IT'S LIKE YOU HAVE THAT OPTION.
IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT NOT PURCHASE IT THAT'S UNDER 55, BUT, UM, TYPICALLY THAT BUYER IS GOING TO BE INTERESTED IN THIS TYPE OF UNIT.
SO YOU'RE GONNA MARKET TO THE 55, BUT FOR 35, ONCE ONE, YOU'LL SELL.
IT WOULD NOT BE RESTRICTED IN LIKE A TRUE AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITY.
AND THEN WHAT'S, WHAT'S YOUR PRICE STARTING AT GUYS? WE WOULD KEEP IT WHERE WE HAD IT BEFORE IN THE, PROBABLY IN THE MID, MID FIVES.
SO, I MEAN, THE OTHER THING TO NOTE TOO IS THAT WITH THIS, UH, PARTICULAR TYPE OF COMMUNITY, WE WOULD INCLUDE SNOW REMOVAL, LAWN MAINTENANCE, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, ALL THE OTHER TYPES OF THINGS THAT YOU WOULD GET IN A AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITY, UM, MINUS THE CLUBHOUSE OR ONSITE AMENITY.
IS THE LANGUAGE ABOUT, UM, THE MINIMUM TRACT AREA, IS THAT A CHANGE, THE 15 COURSE ACRES, IS THAT A CHANGE FROM WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE? IS IS THAT NO, THAT'S THE SAME.
I MEAN, THE, THE, THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS 17.95 ACRES, SO THAT, FOR ME IT'S UNCHANGED.
UH, AND SO, UH, YOU'RE NOT PROPOSING STACKED TOWN HOMES AND THERE'S LANGUAGE HERE ABOUT STACKED TOWN HOMES BEING PERMITTED.
I MEAN, IS THAT WE WOULD, YEAH, WE, I MEAN WE WOULD TAKE THAT OUT.
THIS IS, THIS IS THE ORIGINAL ONE FROM WHEN WE FILED BACK, WHICH IS YEAH.
THAT WILL HE PUT IN THE NEW CONCEPT PLAN, JEFF, IN THE PACKET, BUT THEN THE REST OF IT IS THE ORIGINAL STUFF FROM FEBRUARY.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT, IT'S FINE THAN THAT.
EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW, THIS, THIS IS KIND OF A REINTRODUCTION YES.
OF THE PROJECT AND MOSTLY FORMALITY TO COME HERE.
THEY WILL BE GOING BACK TO THE BOARD AND THE BOARD.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA GET TO THE POINT WE'RE REQUESTING A HEARING, BUT SEE IF THEY'RE COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE NUMBER.
AND THEN WE CAN AMEND THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THEN WE LOOP BACK AROUND TO EVERYBODY.
CAN WE COME BACK AROUND HERE? YES.
SO THEY'RE NOT LOOKING FOR ACTION FROM US.
NO, WE DON'T NEED ANY ACTION TONIGHT.
THIS IS, THIS IS PURELY INFORMAL.
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YOU KNOW, WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AFTER WE WERE HERE EARLIER THIS YEAR AND TRIED TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING ELSE THAT, AND I THINK TO THE EXTENT THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MIGHT HAVE COMMENTS THAT MAY BENEFIT THEM, REDESIGN THE PROJECT OR PROVIDING ANY INPUT FOR THE BOARD, I THINK THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE HELPFUL.UM, BUT YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S NO SPECIFIC ACTION THAT'S BEING SOUGHT TO ME.
I MEAN, FROM MY RECOLLECTION, LAST TIME THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY HAS BEEN VACANT FOR HOW MANY YEARS? SOME, SOME TIME.
RIGHT? I MEAN, IT IS BEEN, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING.
I, I WAS SORT OF LOSING TRACK OF TIME A LITTLE BIT, BUT I THINK IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S ESSENTIALLY COVID.
IT'S BEEN, SO IT'S BEEN SEVERAL YEARS NOW.
SO SINCE I LEFT, I THINK THE CURRENT OWNER ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY 2018 OR SO.
AND I, I MEAN, IT'S BEEN AKING FOR MOST OF THE TIME, IF NOT THE WHOLE TIME.
I MEAN, THEY DID, THEY DID MARKET IT.
I THINK THAT BUILDING ORIGINALLY WAS GONNA BE, WYETH WAS GONNA EXPAND INTO THERE.
I THINK ORIGINALLY THAT, THAT WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME.
JUST BASED ON, WELL, WYETH WAS STILL, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE COMPANY AND WORKING ON, I THINK THEY WERE GONNA TAKE THAT BUILDING AND THEN THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE CORPORATE CENTER.
I WAS GONNA SAY LIKE THE HOTELS AND ALL OF THAT WAS TO BE A SUPPORT SYSTEM AND SOMEONE FLEXIBLE OFFICE SPACE FOR W IN, IN THEIR AREAS.
YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS AT THIS POINT? SO YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE, UH, GENERAL ORDER SUPERVISOR.
SO I MEAN, IF WE ARE ABLE TO, WE'D BE INTERESTED IN GOING ON THE 20TH.
I MEAN THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE PLAN.
I THINK YOU'LL BE ON THE OCTOBER AGENDA.
AND GUYS, UNLESS YOU HEARD SOME MAJOR CONFLICTS HERE, THAT WAS, YEAH.
[APPLICATIONS TO BE HEARD ON October 1, 2025]
AND THEN MOVING ON WITH OUR AGENDA, UH, THE APPLICANTS WE'RE GONNA HEAR TONIGHT, UM, IS, UH, HASSEN ROAD AND SPOTLESS CAR WASH.AND WE'RE GONNA START WITH HASSEN ROAD, UH, WHICH I WAS JUST TELLING JEFF I'M GONNA NEED TO DRIVE BACK THERE AND I'VE NEVER GOT BACK THERE UP HERE TODAY.
SO, UH, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND, UH, YES.
I'M KEVIN PALMER REPRESENTING, UM, THE APPLICANT, UM, LOUISA FAMILY.
UM, AND THE FILING RELATES TO A 14 LOT SUBDIVISION, UH, ON HASTON ROAD.
UM, WE HAVE TONIGHT, UH, WITH THIS, UH, OUR ENGINEER ANTHONY
AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, UH, CALL ANTHONY UP AND HAVE HIM INTRODUCE THE PLAN AND TALK ABOUT IT AND, UH, ANSWER QUESTIONS.
UH, AGAIN, MY NAME IS ANTHONY HILAND.
I'VE BEEN PRACTICING, UH, CIVIL ENGINEERING HERE IN THIS AREA, UH, FOR THE PAST 35 YEARS.
AND, UM, HAVE BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR PLANNING ENGINEERING, UM, AND LAND ENTITLEMENTS, UH, A, UH, OTHER AGENCY, PERMITS AND APPROVALS.
UM, BEFORE YOU'RE HERE, TONIGHT IS AN APPLICATION FOR TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN, UH, SHOWING 14 LOTS.
THE PROPERTY, UH, IS LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF WILSON WAY AND, UM, HASSAN ROAD.
UH, THERE'S A SMALL FARMHOUSE THAT HASN'T BEEN LIVED IN RECENTLY, BUT IT'S, UH, THERE WITH ITS DRIVEWAY ON THE TRACK.
UM, MUCH OF THE LAND IS, UM, MEADOW NOW, UH, FELLOW FARM FIELDS.
UH, THERE IS SOME VEGETATION GROWTH, UM, SHOWN IN A DARKER GREEN ON THE PLAN.
UM, AND, UM, WE'RE SAVING, UH, THE WOODLANDS TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE AND ONLY GOING TO DISTURB, UM, VERY LITTLE OF THAT WOODLAND AREA.
UH, THIS, THIS, UH, UH, SITE IS 27.88 ACRES.
UM, THERE ARE, UH, STEEP SLOPES ALSO EXHIBITED THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY.
UH, THOSE WILL BE, UM, PRESERVED AND NOT, UH, DISTURBED.
UH, AGAIN, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CODE.
UM, THERE IS ONE CROSSING OF THE STEEP SLOPE TO GET TO SOME FLATTER GROUND, UH, FOR THREE OF THE 14 LOTS.
AND ON THE VERY RIGHT SIDE OF THIS PAGE HERE, UM, THAT DISTURBANCE WOULD BE MINIMIZED BY SHARING A DRIVEWAY BETWEEN THE THREE, UH, HOMES.
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UH, THE NEW PUBLIC STREET, UM, WOULD SERVE THE OTHER HOMES IN A P LOOP CONFIGURATION.EACH OF THE LOTS ARE MINIMUM ONE ACRE IN SIZE, UM, AND, UH, CAPABLE OF HOLDING A PRETTY LARGE FOOTPRINT HOUSE WITH A THREE OR FOUR CAR ATTACHED GARAGE.
UM, LOT 14 IS A LOT THAT WAS SEPARATED OFF YEARS AND YEARS AGO, UH, DURING THE, UM, UH, BUILD OUT OF WILSON WAY.
THAT LOT, UH, IS, UH, TO THE LEFT OF WILSON WAY SHOWN ON YOUR PLAN THERE.
UM, AND IS A NON-CONFORMING LOT.
IT IS ACTUALLY SIMILAR IN SIZE TO OTHER LOTS ON HASSEN ROAD.
UM, HOWEVER, IT WOULD NOT MEET THE, UM, NONE OF THOSE LOTS OVER THERE WOULD MEET THE CRITERIA UNDER THE, UM, R ONE STRAIGHT ZONING.
UM, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, UM, IT WOULD MEET IT, UM, IF WE GO TO LOT AVERAGING, UM, IT WOULD FALL INTO, UM, AN AVERAGE, UH, LOT THAT IS PERMISSIBLE.
UM, THERE IS NO PROPOSAL TO DO THE, UM, LOT AVERAGING.
THE, UM, UH, YIELD, UH, BETWEEN THIS AND LOT AVERAGING IS, UM, SIMILAR I THINK WITHIN A UNIT OR TWO.
AND, UM, UH, WITH THIS CONFIGURATION OF THE PROPERTY AND ONLY ONE FRONTAGE ON WILSON WAY, UM, UH, WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT LAYOUTS AND, UH, ACTUALLY MET WITH STAFF, UH, WITH, UH, UH, UM, UH, A LOT AVERAGING CONSERVATION, UH, LAYOUT THAT JUST DIDN'T WORK FOR PURPOSES OF MEETING THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE.
UH, SO THIS LAYOUT WAS CHOSEN BECAUSE IT CAN, UH, READILY MEET THE OPEN SPACE, UH, IN THE CODE.
UM, AND I'LL STEP THROUGH THAT, UM, IN JUST A SECOND.
UM, SO BEFORE I DO THAT, LET ME RUN THROUGH THE ZONING AS A STRAIGHT R ONE, UH, ONE ACRE MINIMUM SIZE.
UH, EACH OF THESE, UH, LOTS WOULD COMPLY WITH THAT, AND MUCH OF THEM ARE MUCH LARGER THAN ONE ACRE.
UH, THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH AT THE BUILDING LINES 150, ALL OF THESE WOULD MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.
FRONT YARD, SIDE YARD, AGGREGATE SIDE YARD AND REAR YARDS, 40, 20, 60 50.
ALL OF THOSE ARE MET AND AS MUCH, UH, MORE, UH, GENEROUS, UH, BUILDING ENVELOPE IF YOU WILL, UH, THAT WILL EXCEED ALL OF THESE MINIMUMS AND HAVE, UM, UH, MUCH MORE OF A SIDE TO SIDE AND MUCH MORE OF A FRONT YARD AND REAR YARD.
UM, THE BUILDING COVERAGE, UM, IS ALLOWED TO BE 10%.
UM, THIS IS RUNNING RIGHT AROUND SIX AND 7% ON THE SMALLEST LOTS.
UM, AND THEN SOME OF THE LARGER LOTS, UM, UH, WERE IN THE 3%.
WHAT'S THE BIGGEST LOT SIZE, DO YOU KNOW? UH, I THINK IT IS THE, UM, LOT NINE, WHICH WOULD BE A LOWER LEFT, UH, CORNER THERE, UM, OF THE SITE.
HOW BIG IS IT? UM, I WOULD, UH, LET, LET ME GRAB THAT PLAN THERE.
I CAN'T READ THE, UH, RESOLUTION ON SCREEN HERE.
CAN YOU READ IT? YEAH, THERE WE GO.
ACTUALLY LOT SEVEN IS IN THE UPPER 4.73.
UM, SO THE OPEN SPACE IS, UM, A SET OF CALCULATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, IN THE R ONE AS STRAIGHT ZONING
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WITH THE LARGE LOT ONE ACRE SIZE, THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT IS 10% OF THE PROPERTY.UM, SO WE'VE SET ASIDE 10% OF THE PROPERTY AT 2.79 ACRES.
SIX 60% OF THAT AREA, UH, CANNOT BE IN STEEP SLOPE OR WOODS.
AND AS THE ORDINANCE DEFINES, IT'S WHAT THEY CALL THE DRY OPEN SPACE.
SO WE MADE SURE THAT, UH, 1.67 OF THE 2.79 DOESN'T INCLUDE WOODS AND DOESN'T INCLUDE, UH, STEEP SLOPES.
UM, AT THAT POINT, UM, THE OPEN SPACE NEEDS TO EXHIBIT 50% OF THAT DRY AREA AS RELATIVELY FLAT WITH A MAXIMUM 2% GRADE.
UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, A HANDICAP RAMP IS 8%.
SO 2% IS VERY, UM, UH, IT IS NOT, UH, SOMETHING YOU WOULD KNOW EVEN HAD A SLOPE IF YOU'RE STANDING ON 2%.
UM, SO IN THE, UM, MIDDLE OF THAT P LOOP BETWEEN LOT 10 AND LOT, UM, FIVE AND SIX THERE ON THE UPPER PART OF THAT KEY LOOP, UM, IT IS THE FLATTEST SITE PART OF THE SITE.
UM, AND, AND WE'RE RIGHT AROUND THAT 2% NUMBER WITH SOME VERY SLIGHT GRADING.
UH, THAT ENTIRE AREA WILL BE 2%, WHICH IS A GREAT, UM, SLOPE FOR PICKUP GAMES, UM, OR JUST TOSSING THE BALL AROUND OR WHATEVER.
JEFF, DO YOU HAVE YOUR POINTER? YEP.
WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS, YEAH, COULD YOU, YOU KEEP SAYING LOT SIX AND SEVEN, IT DOESN'T SHOW THAT ON HERE.
SO COULD YOU, CAN WE GIVE YOU THE POINTER? COULD YOU TELL US WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? WE DUNNO WHERE LOT SIX AND SEVEN ARE AT.
BOT SIX HERE, FIVE HERE, AND THIS IS 10TH.
SO RIGHT HERE AS THE P TERMS HERE, UM, IS THE MAIN OPEN SPACE THAT WILL BE 2%, UM, GRADE.
UM, AND THAT AREA THERE WILL, UM, COMPRISE COMPRISES CENTRAL LOCATION TO THE HOMES.
AND THEN THE OPEN SPACE, UH, WILL TRAVEL HERE WITH A TRAIL DOWN HERE.
IF YOU SEE THAT TRAIL STILL IN BROWN DOWN HERE AND DOWN HERE.
AND THIS OPEN SPACE IS ALL 40 FEET IN WIDTH.
AND, UM, IT'S
SO IT WILL GO DOWN THE SLOPE AND BACK UP THE SLOPE.
UM, AND, UH, CONNECT WITH THE OPEN SPACE ON THE TOP OF THE SLOPE.
ANY ADVANTAGE IN CONNECTING WITH ANY OF OUR TRAILS OR, OR JUST KEEPING THIS FOR THE COMMUNITY? UM, I, I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
UM, YEAH, IT, IT, THEY'RE WELCOME TO PUT IT IN FOR THEIR OWN COMMUNITY, BUT IT, IT OFFERS NO VALUE AS, AS A TOWNSHIP TRAIL BECAUSE THEY DON'T EVEN CONNECT THE SIDEWALKS IN THE FRONT.
SO THERE'S NO VIABLE WAY FOR ANYBODY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, IN, IN ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET TO THIS TRAIL.
AND I'M ASSUMING THIS IS ALL GOING TO BE HOA, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE MAINTAINING THAT TRAIL.
WE'RE NOT MAINTAINING THAT OPEN SPACE.
I THINK THE TOWNSHIP LOOKING TO DEDICATE THAT FOR, TO ACCEPT DEDICATION OF THAT OPEN SPACE.
OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A SUPERVISOR OPINION, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE MY RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY WOULD ACCEPT THAT THEY'RE OUR OFFERING IT AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO OFFER IT.
OH, THEY HAVE TO OFFER IT BY, BY OUR ORDINANCE.
SO WE OFFER AND THEN IT'S THE THOMPSON'S DECISION.
UM, UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I HAVE A COUPLE.
I JUST WANT TO ANYBODY YEAH, GO.
DID YOU RECEIVE THE REVIEW LETTERS? I DID.
UM, I WAS GONNA FINISH UP THE PRESENTATION.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THE TOWNSHIP REQUIRED OPEN SPACE, UH, WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED SOME, UH, HOA GREEN SPACE THAT WILL BE KEPT IN, UH, GREEN.
AS I STATED EARLIER, SOME OF THE STEEP SLOPES ON WOODLANDS THAT AREN'T IN THE OPEN SPACE, UH, AS THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED BASED ON PERCENTAGE CALCULATIONS, UH, WE ARE PRESERVING THOSE AND THEY'LL BE IN AN HOA GREEN AREA AND CONNECT IT
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DIRECTLY TO THE OPEN SPACE.SO, UH, IT WOULD BE A SEAMLESS, UH, CONNECTION, UH, WITH IMAGINARY LINES BETWEEN, UM, AN HOA VERSUS THE OFFERED, UM, OPEN SPACE.
SO THAT AMOUNTS TO, UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN AN EXTRA ACRE.
UH, WE'RE AT 85 1 HUNDREDS OF AN ACRE FOR THE HOA GREEN AREA.
UM, MOVING ON TO THE, UM, UM, NEXT ITEM HERE.
UM, UM, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS IS THE STORM WATER THAT IS ALSO NOT ALLOWED IN OPEN SPACE.
UH, SO ALL OF THE STORM WATER BMPS WILL BE, UH, INDIVIDUAL ON LOT SYSTEMS AND AN HOA CARED FOR, UH, TO HANDLE THE ROADWAY PREVIOUS SURFACE AND SIDEWALKS.
YEAH, I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT BEFORE.
IS THAT, IS THAT JET THAT SOMETHING DID YOU DEALT WITH BEFORE? THAT WAS GONNA BE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I BROUGHT UP LATER IS THE ACTUAL MAINTENANCE OF THOSE ON LOT.
THAT'S A LOT FOR HOMEOWNERS TO DO.
AND HOW DO YOU PLAN ON ACTUALLY HAVING THEM PERMANENTLY MAINTAINED? UM, THE THOUGHT WAS THAT, UH, THE HOA ITSELF WOULD ACT AS ONE ENTITY BETWEEN THE HOA AND THE TOWNSHIP.
SO THE HOMEOWNERS ARE RESPONSIBLE THROUGH THE HOA THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BE A PART OF.
SO HOW COME THE TWO IN THE FRONT ARE SO MUCH BIGGER? THAT IS A LOW POINT THAT WE CANNOT RELEASE WATER, UH, WITHOUT HAVING, UM, UH, VOLUME CONTROL, RATE CONTROL AND WATER QUALITY CONTROL.
UH, SO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THIS BP AND THIS BP, THESE ARE LARGER, THIS IS THE TOP OF THE HILL RIGHT HERE.
AND SO THIS ROAD WILL COME DOWN AND WE'LL HAVE OPPORTUNITIES, UH, ALONG THE ROADS EDGE HERE AND THEN HERE AS WELL FOR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.
ONCE WE GET INTO THE N-P-D-E-S CALCULATIONS, WE'LL HAVE TO, UM, BREAK THAT DOWN STUDY POINT BY STUDY POINT.
UM, AGAIN, WITH SUCH LARGE LOTS THOUGH, UM, WE FELT WE'VE LEFT ADEQUATE, UM, AREAS FOR THIS STORM WATER TO MEET THE NEW REQUIREMENTS OF THE, UH, UH, DECEMBER 8TH NPDS.
JUST SO I UNDERSTAND JEN'S QUESTION AND YOUR ANSWER.
UM, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT THE HOA WOULD BE AS A WHOLE MM-HMM
WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE ON EACH PROPERTY.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAINTAIN THEM MOW THE GRASS, WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE REQUIREMENTS ARE.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO HIRE, UH, THESE WOULD ALL BE SUBSURFACE.
UH, SO WHEN YOU SAY MOW THE GRASS, WELL, WHATEVER THEY HAVE TO DO WHATEVER THE MAINTENANCE IS, RIGHT? RIGHT.
WHATEVER THE MAINTENANCE IS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MAINTENANCE IS.
WHATEVER THE MAINTENANCE IS, YOU'RE SAYING THE HOA WILL DO IT FOR THE SYSTEM ON SUB YES SYSTEM AND THAT THERE BE, THERE WILL BE AN, A STANDARD AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TOWNSHIP AND THE HOA, UM, THAT WILL BE RECORDED THAT THE COUNTY RECORDER DEEDS.
UM, WE HAVE THAT AGREEMENT WITH EVERYBODY THAT'S NOTHING DIFFERENT.
I JUST NEVER SEEN E EACH A LITTLE LOCK HAVE IT ITS OWN SET.
IT'S REALLY HOW DO YOU ENSURE THAT IF SHED DOESN'T GO ON TOP OF EVEN THE FUTURE? RIGHT, RIGHT.
IF THEY WANNA PUT A POOL IN, THEY PUT A POOL, ARE THEY RIGHT, RIGHT.
ARE THEY GONNA KNOW THE EXACT BOUNDS OF THOSE? WHAT HAPPENS IF THE HOA DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE? THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT, THAT THAT'S LEGAL QUESTIONS THAT HOW HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU ENSURE THAT? YEAH.
BACK ON THE TOPIC OF, UH, GREENS AND SLOPES, CAN YOU JUST, CAN YOU POINT OUT THAT DRIVEWAY, THAT SHARED DRIVEWAY THAT'S GONNA CROSS THE STEEP SLOPES TO GET TO THIS OTHER THREE LOTS? SURE.
AND UH, JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY SAW THAT.
AND I GUESS WHEN JEN LOOKS AT THIS, ARE THERE ANY ISSUES WITH CROSSING STEEP SLOPES AND GETTING GRADES ON THAT? YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE GRADES ON THAT? THE SLOPES ON THE DRIVE THAT DRIVEWAY EVERY DAY.
SO THE DRIVEWAY TAKES OFF HERE.
AT, UM, UH, THE LOWEST AREA ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THE THREE LINES AND WILL TRAVERSE THE SLOPE GOING DOWN THE
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SLOPE.BUT ALONG THE ACTUAL CONTOUR LINES, UH, TRAVERSING THE SLOPE AT A 7% GRADE.
UH, THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR UP TO 10%.
AND THEN WE WOULD CIRCLE BACK HERE AND COME DOWN TO THIS LOWER AREA AND THE DRIVEWAY WOULD, UM, BE A LITTLE BIT NARROWER FROM THIS POINT AFTER SERVING THE FIRST TWO LOTS.
IT WOULD JUST BE A STANDARD WIDTH FOR THE REMAINING LOT TO, UH, BUT I CAN YOU COMPLY WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL'S LETTER? YEAH, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE FIRE MARSHAL IS WHAT YOUR, YOU DID THAT
I THE PACKET THAT YOU GOT WITH THE REST OF THE REVIEW DOCUMENTS, WITH THE, THE AGENDA DOCUMENTS THAT I SENT TO YOU AND THE ATTORNEY.
YOU DIDN'T SEEM TO LIKE THE DRIVEWAY? NO, A LITTLE BIT.
I'LL MAKE SURE YOU HAVE 'EM, BUT YEAH, THEY, THEY WERE SENT TO YOU WITH THE AGENDA PACKET.
DID YOU SEE THAT CAPTAIN? UM, I DIDN'T SEE THE FIRE MARK.
IT'S PAGE 53, 44, 45, 53 SOMEHOW 53 AND 54.
YOU PROBABLY PRINTED OUT THE THREE MINUTES ONE.
OH YEAH, I HAVE MY LETTER ESSENTIALLY TALKS ABOUT THAT YOU CAN BUILD A HOUSE ON THAT SMALL LOT, BUT IF, IF THEY DON'T MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, WHICH ARE PRETTY IMPOSSIBLE TO DO ON THERE FOR R ONE, THEY HAVE TO GET VARIANCES FOR IT.
UM, THAT'S THE ONLY REQUIREMENT THEY HAVE TO HAVE.
AND THAT MORE THAN LIKELY THERE'S GONNA BE STEEP SLOPE RELIEF THAT'S NECESSARY FROM THE ZONING HEARING BOARD.
UM, I'M SORT OF LEAVING UP TO JEN TO INTERPRET MORE SPECIFICALLY WHAT THAT IS IN TERMS OF PERCENTAGE OF STEEP SLOPES.
'CAUSE OUR ORDINANCE DOES HAVE A BREAK BETWEEN 15 TO 25 IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION AND OVER 25 IS A, A VARIANCE.
SO, AND WHAT THAT MEANS IN TERMS OF ROADS VERSUS STRUCTURE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO WORK OUT MM-HMM
UM, AND THEN TO SPEAK FOR THE FIRE MARSHAL, HIS LETTER IS, UM, SPECIFICALLY SAYS A SHARED DRIVEWAY SERVING LOT 78 AND NINE IS A FIRE APPARATUS ACCESS ROAD AND SHALL COMPLY WITH THE APPLICABLE REQUIREMENTS INCLUDING 20 FEET WIDE, 26 FEET IN HIGH VENT ARE LOCATED ALONG THE ROAD, SHALL NOT EXCEED 10% GRADE CAPABLE, CAPABLE OF SUPPORTING IMPOSED LOAD OF FIRE APPARATUS UP TO 80,000 POUNDS CONFIGURED IN A MANNER THAT ALLOWS FOR FIRE APPARATUS TO MANEUVER, DEMONSTRATE AND TRUCK TURN DRAWING INCLUSIVE OF APPROVED TURNAROUNDS FOR FIRE APPARATUS EACH DEAD END OVER 150 FEET.
YEAH, I, I, I DON'T SEE THE TURNAROUND.
I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT STOOD OUT TO ME FROM THE LETTERS TOO WAS THE COUNTY'S LETTER LAGGING.
THAT THIS IS A PRIORITY OPEN SPACE
AND WHEN WE FIRST MET WITH THEM, WE DID ASK, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THEY WERE WILLING TO DISCUSS THE POTENTIAL OF THIS AS OPEN SPACE, BUT THE TOWN SHOULD PURCHASE IT OR IF THERE WERE SOME OTHER SORT OF ARRANGEMENT AND THEY SAID THEY WERE INTERESTED, BUT THEY WANTED TO MOVE THE PROCESS FORWARD A LITTLE BIT TO DEFINE WHAT THEY COULD DO ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS SORT OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO, TO THEM IF THEY WANT TO SORT OF TAKE THE NEXT STEP OR HOW THAT WORKS.
SO, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S STILL QUITE A FEW DECENTLY SIGNIFICANT ISSUES TO WORK OUT JUST FROM LOOKING AT THE LETTERS BETWEEN THE FIRE MARSHAL AND THE SLOPES.
IF YOU'VE SEEN THIS LETTER FROM THE FIRE MARSH, YOU NEED TO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE A TURNAROUND SPACE AT ALL FOR THAT LAST LOCK, WHATEVER THAT 17TH 90 AARON IN, THEY'RE ALL IN HERE.
SO SOME OF THIS DEEP SLOPE COMMENTS IN MY LETTER, BECAUSE THE MAPPING IS BASED ON LIDAR CONTOURS AND IT WILL EVENTUALLY NEED TO BE BASED ON AN ACTUAL SURVEY OF THE SITE.
AND THEN IT DOES APPEAR THAT WHEN THE SURVEY IS DONE, UM, THESE ARE TWO FOOT CONTOURS ON HERE.
SO I THINK THERE'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE AREAS THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO REDUCE THE STEEP SLOPE.
'CAUSE SOME OF THE 25 AND OVERS ARE ONLY SPANNING TWO VERTICAL FEET.
SO YOU MIGHT BE ABLE, YOU KNOW, TO REDUCE SOME OF THOSE.
SO UNTIL THAT MAPPING IS DONE TO THE TOWNSHIP STANDARDS,
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UM, WE'VE JUST POINTED OUT THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO BE AWARE OF, LIKE UTILITIES CROSSING THE SLOPES AND THE FACT THAT THEY'RE BEING MUTED COUNTED AS YARD AREA AND THINGS LIKE THAT.JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS PLAN FOR TENTATIVE SKETCH MEETS THE TOWNSHIP STANDARD.
WHAT JEN IS NOW REFERRING TO IS WHEN WE GO TO THE NEXT STEP, THERE'S ANOTHER STANDARD THAT, UH, THE, THE TOPO WOULD POSSIBLY CHANGE BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE ON A FIELD, UH, MEASUREMENT VERSUS A SATELLITE IMAGERY.
SO ARE, UM, THE ACTION THAT, THAT IS IN FRONT OF US, I GUESS A QUESTION FOR LIKE YOU TWO RIGHT? IS THIS WILL GO IN FRONT OF THE, COULD GO IN FRONT OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, JEFF, IT LOOKS LIKE, ACCORDING TO YOUR WONDERFUL TIMELINE, UH, LATER THIS MONTH.
AND SO OUR CHARGE IS TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER OR NOT AT ALL TO THE SUPERVISOR FOR THEM TO CONSIDER IF IT DOES GO IN FRONT OF THEM.
AS ANTHONY SAID, THEY, THEY DO MEET THE TENTATIVE SKETCH REQUIREMENTS.
THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS OUT THERE, NOT THAT THERE AREN'T TYPICALLY DURING TENTATIVE SKETCH.
UM, IF YOU'RE A RECOMMENDATION YOU CAN MAKE, AS YOU SAID, A RECOMMENDATION FOR AGAINST OR WITH CONCERNS OR NOT AT ALL.
AND THAT'S UP TO YOU AS A PLANNING COMMISSION.
COULD YOU JUST POINT OUT YOUR POINTER? THE HIGHEST? OH, SO THE SLOPES TO THE OTHER SITES ARE DOWN.
UM, IT DOES DROP THIS WAY DOWN TO A LOW POINT HERE AND FROM HERE.
AND THEN THIS RIDGE BREAKS THIS WAY TOWARDS WILSON WAY DOWN HERE.
AND THAT LOWEST POINT BEING LOT ONE OVER HERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF WILSON WAY.
THIS LOT IS A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN THIS SIDE OF THE ROAD AND THIS SLOPE CONTINUES DOWN.
I DROVE IT TODAY AND IT'S SIGNIFICANT.
JEFF, COULD YOU OR SOMEBODY INTERPRET THE, THE COUNTY'S POINT THAT POINT THE COUNTY WAS BRIEFLY TRYING TO MAKE ABOUT THE, IT BEING IDENTIFIED AS PRIORITY OPEN SPACE WITHIN OUR, WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR THE COUNTY, BUT MY INTERPRETATION OF WHAT THEY SAY IS THAT WITHIN OUR, WITHIN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE SHOW AN AREA THAT'S SORT OF BETWEEN HASSEN ROAD AND 29 AND HOLLOW ROAD.
UM, HERE, LEMME THIS AREA KIND OF WHERE THE, THE ARROWS, THE FRONT PART OF THEIR PROPERTY.
BUT THIS OPEN SPACE AND THIS, THIS MAP IS FROM JULY 21ST, UM, THAT THE TOWNSHIP WOULD LIKE TO PRESERVE OPEN SPACE.
THAT'S WHAT WE PUT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT WAS ONE OF THE FOCUS AREAS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WHILE THERE NEED TO BE DEVELOPMENT ALONG ROUTE 29, AND THAT'S WHERE WE WANT THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO GO.
THIS IS ONE OF THE LAST LARGER BLOCKS OF OPEN SPACE LEFT.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING IN THAT CORRIDOR, IN THAT CORRIDOR BETWEEN HOLLOW ROAD AND 29.
THE, THE, THE TOWNSHIP HAS A, A PREFERENCE TO PRESERVE A A, AN URGE TO PRESERVE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY OF PUTTING IT.
AND WHAT THE COUNTY'S SAYING THAT THEY RECOMMEND OR THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE STEEP SLOPES AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT, UH, MAKE THIS ATTRACTIVE TO BE LEFT AS OPEN SPACE.
WELL THAT, THAT'S MY READ OF IT.
I I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THAT.
THEY RECOMMEND, THEY DON'T RECOMMEND IT, BUT THEY JUST SAY, HEY, THIS ACCORDING TO YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE.
WELL, AS ANTHONY POINTED OUT, THEY DO MEET THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROPERTY.
AND I'M SURE THE COUNTY DOES TOO, BUT THEY'RE JUST POINTING OUT THAT THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN THE CONSULATE.
SO JUST TO REVIEW, UM, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE THE, THE STEEP SLOPE ISSUES YOU STILL GOTTA WORK OUT AND ALL THAT.
AND UM, AND THEN YOU GOT THE FIRE MARSHAL'S CONCERNS, WHICH ARE CERTAINLY SOMETHING YOU NEED TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE BACK THREE LOT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY JEN'S GONNA HAVE PROBABLY A LOT OF QUESTIONS OR A LOT MORE TO TALK ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE, UH, REMEDIATION AROUND THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES.
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I MEAN THAT, THAT, THAT SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE OPEN YET.'CAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, JEFF OR HART MAKES A GREAT POINT.
I MEAN, HOW DO WE, HOW DO YOU AND THE COUNTY POINTS THAT OUT? HOW DO YOU ASSURE THAT, THAT THOSE ARE GONNA BE MAINTAINED EQUALLY? UM, SO THERE SEEMS TO BE, YOU KNOW, PRE THAT'S PRETTY, PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ISSUE.
WOULD YOU CONCUR? I WOULD SAY THAT THEY'RE POINTING 'EM OUT EARLY ON WITH THE SKETCH.
SO THOSE BECOME ADDRESSED ONCE WE GET TO THE NEXT STEP.
BUT TO TRY TO COME UP WITH AGREEMENTS BEFORE WE EVEN GET TO THE NEXT STEP.
BUT I, BUT THERE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THEY POINTED OUT AND I DIDN'T SEE ANY SHOWSTOPPERS THAT WE COULDN'T MEET.
UM, THERE ARE SOME DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT WE WOULD, OTHER THAN OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, IF YOU, YOU LOOK THIS PATRICK OR THESE FUNCTION OR, UH, THING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN THIS TOWNSHIP IS OPEN SPACE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A SHOWSTOPPER, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALL IN TUNE WITH TO WHAT THE GOAL AND THE PLAN FOR THE TOWNSHIP IS.
SO I I'M, I'M JUST GOING TO STEP IN HERE.
I THINK THAT TO THE EXTENT THIS IS IDENTIFIED AS ANY OF THESE PLANS AS OPEN SPACE, THESE PEOPLE OWN THE PROPERTY.
THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE, THE ORDINANCES THAT THEY'RE WRITTEN.
SO I, I THINK THAT WHILE THE OPEN SPACE ISSUE MAY BE SOMETHING THAT IS ADDRESSED IN THE FUTURE, IF THE TOWNSHIP AND THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER ARE ABLE TO WORK OUT SOME SORT OF COMPENSATION, THEY WANTED TO ACTUALLY COMPENSATE THE TOWNSHIP FOR IT.
BUT REALLY THAT OPEN SPACE ASPECT CAN'T BE IN PLAY AT THIS TIME WITH THIS PLAN.
I THINK THAT WE NEED TO TAKE THIS PLAN AS IT IS IN RELATION TO THE ORDINANCES AS THEY ARE CURRENTLY.
SO I, I, I THINK THAT IT'S, IT'S FINE TO MAYBE HAVE SOME OF THAT CONVERSATION, BUT WE NEED TO BE EVALUATING THIS BASED ON THE ORDINANCES IN EFFECT AND WHAT THEY'RE PERMITTED TO DO.
AND, BUT WE DID POINT OUT THREE THINGS THAT PRETTY MAJOR, THREE MAJOR THINGS THAT STILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
I I THINK THAT WE POINTED OUT ISSUES THAT CERTAINLY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AT THE NEXT LEVEL OF THE PROCESS.
BUT, AND, AND BRIAN AND JEN, YOU CAN CERTAINLY JUMP IN IF THERE, IF I'M MISSING ANYTHING, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE'S ANYTHING WITHIN THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN THAT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY COMPLYING WITH.
AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'VE ANSWERED ALL THOSE QUESTIONS AND THEY CHECKED ALL THOSE BOXES.
THEY'RE JUST SAYING, THIS IS WHERE WE ARE UP AT THIS POINT.
ARE THERE ANY SHOWSTOPPERS BASED ON WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO SHOW FOR TENTATIVE SKETCH? AND SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT STAGE AND THE NEXT STAGE IS WHERE THE, IS USUALLY THE MOST INTENSIVE STAGE.
SO I THINK THAT'S, IF I, ONE SECOND BEFORE KEVIN HAVE A QUESTION.
YEAH, NO, I, THIS, I'M GLAD WE WENT DOWN THIS ROAD.
'CAUSE I, UH, BEEN TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE ROLE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT THE SUPERVISOR, WE'RE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, LIKE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE BEING ASKED TO PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS ON IF THE SUPER, IF, IF WE THINK THIS MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING AND THE TENTATIVE SKETCH.
AND WE CAN SAY WE THINK IT DOES, WE CAN SAY WE THINK IT DOESN'T, UH, AND WE CAN DO NOTHING.
UM, BUT TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW, THEY OWN THE PROPERTY AND EVEN THOUGH WE'VE IDENTIFIED IT AS PRI PRIORITY OPEN SPACE, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE TOOLS TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, AT LEAST AS THIS BODY.
BUT WE ALSO DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ANY ACTION.
WELL, WE CAN TELL THAT WE COULD NOT RECOMMEND WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SAY WE DON'T RECOMMEND IT, IT COULD BE FOR WHATEVER REASON WE WANT TO PUT TO THAT.
THAT'S THE QUESTION I HAD IS CAN WE, CAN WE DO THAT OR WE NARROWLY LEAST LIMITED IN WHAT WE WELL, THAT'S WHY I PUT IT UP THAT THERE'S THREE MAJOR ISSUES STILL.
IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THOSE THREE ISSUES AND FORGET THE OPEN SPACE THING, THAT'S FINE.
IF I COULD ADDRESS, UM, THE COMMISSION ON THE ISSUE.
I THINK THAT MR. BUSH AND MR MADE GOOD POINTS.
UM, THE STARTING POINT FROM MY CLIENT'S STANDPOINT IS THEY'RE PROPERTY OWNERS, THEY WANT TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.
UM, IT'S IT'S A BIT ODD WHERE YOU'RE COMING BEFORE, UH, THE TOWNSHIP WHO MIGHT HAVE AN INTEREST IN ACQUIRING IT FOR ITS OWN PURPOSES, YET WE'RE COMING IN ASKING THE TOWNSHIP TO RULE ON A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL.
UM, AND OUR VIEW OF IT IS THAT
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IF IT MEETS THE STANDARDS, UM, IT MEETS THE STANDARDS.UM, SO THE ISSUE OF WHETHER IT IS A TARGETED PROPERTY FOR OPEN SPACE IS OVER HERE.
BUT AS A LANDOWNER, LIKE ANY LANDOWNER, THEY, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP IT.
AND THIS PLAN IS A CONFORMING PLAN.
LIKE ANY PLAN, IT HAS ISSUES THAT WORK OUT THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
AND WE WOULD ASK YOU, YOU KNOW, IN, IN ONE TERMS FOR A FAIR SHAKE ON THAT.
UM, BUT DOES IT MEET THE STANDARDS? I MEAN, YOU, THE FIRE MARSHAL ONE IS THE MOST GLARING.
WELL, I MEAN, THOSE THINGS WORK, YOU WORK THROUGH THOSE AS YOU TWEAK THE PLAN IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
UM, BUT UM, AS WE'RE HERE TODAY, WE WOULD ASK YOU FOR YOUR POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION AS A GOOD STARTING POINT FOR DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY.
UM, THAT THE DENSITY IS VERY LOW.
THERE'S BEEN A GREAT DEAL OF EFFORT PUT INTO MAKING THE PLAN WORK GIVEN THE, THE REAL WORLD CONTOURS OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND SO, UM, WE FEEL THAT AT LEAST AT THIS STAGE, IT MEETS THE REQUIRED STANDARDS.
UM, AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE THAT, UM, THE TOWNSHIP'S INTEREST IN OPEN SPACE SHOULD BE IMPACTING THE DECISION AT THIS LEVEL.
UM, WELL THAT'S YOUR OPINION AND I APPRECIATE IT.
WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU NEED TO BE, YOU NEED TO FEEL, UM, AND YOUR CLIENT OR WHOEVER OR ELSE IS HERE, NEEDS TO FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE'RE GONNA DO THE RIGHT THING BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
AND YOU KNOW, AND WE BRING UP THE OPEN SPACE THING BECAUSE THE COUNTY RECOMMENDS IT.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S BROUGHT UP, MY, MY READ ON THE COUNTY'S LETTER WAS VERY POSITIVE.
I READ IT TO SAY THAT THEY WERE BEHIND IT.
FOOTNOTE TOWNSHIP HAS THAT PROPERTY TARGET, BUT THE OVERALL LETTER FROM THE COUNTY WAS VERY POSITIVE.
AND WE WOULD ASK YOU TO FOLLOW IN THAT SPIRIT.
IF DOWN THE ROAD THE TOWNSHIP WANTS TO APPROACH MY CLIENT, THAT'S ANOTHER CONVERSATION.
BUT I DON'T THINK IT IMPACTS WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TODAY.
WELL, AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S AN OPINION AND UH, I THINK WE, WE AS A BOARD WANT TO MAKE SURE WE LOOK AT ALL ASPECTS OF SURE, SURE.
NO QUESTION DEVELOPMENT AND WE WANT MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE RECOMMEND IT OR DON'T RECOMMEND IT, WE HAVE REASONS WHY.
NOBODY'S HERE TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT IT BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE THIS GENTLEMAN.
WE'RE LOOKING AT IT BECAUSE YOU, YOU CAN LIKE HIM AND HEY, THAT, UM, WE'RE GONNA RECOMMEND IT OR NOT RECOMMEND IT BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCES OF BEEN DOING THIS.
MANY OF US HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND UH, AND AND WHAT WE KNOW.
AND, UH, SO I I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I I KNOW YOU WANT US TO GO POSITIVE.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S YOUR RIGHT, AND, AND, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE COUNTY LETTER, THE COUNTY LETTER IS VERY POSITIVE.
THEY HAD THE FOOTNOTE ABOUT OPEN SPACE.
BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT'S THE CONVERSATION HERE.
WELL, AND I'M NOT SAYING IT IS EITHER.
I'M NOT SAYING, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY DID MENTION IT, SO WE BROUGHT IT UP AND THAT'S ALL WE'RE SAYING.
WE BROUGHT IT UP AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT PROBABLY WAY UNDER DON.
BUT IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE CAN'T JUST SAY DON'T SEE IT.
SO I THINK WE, I THINK WE'RE SAYING THE SAME THING.
WE'RE WE'RE GONNA DO THE RIGHT THING.
WE CAN'T SAY THAT WE HAVEN'T APPROVED ANY DEVELOPMENT IN THE TOWNSHIP.
SO YOU WANNA CONTINUE ANY MORE FOR YOUR PRESENTATION? UH, THAT WAS MY PRESENTATION, BUT I'M, HAVE YOU GO THROUGH, UH, ANY OF THESE, UH, LETTERS AS WELL, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THEM.
WELL, WELL, LIKE I SAY, YOU KNOW, KEVIN AND I, AND A COUPLE OF US HAVE BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, THAT FIRE MARSHAL THING IS STILL A BIG THING.
THAT THAT'S SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT AND THAT'S NOT ON YOUR, YOUR TENTATIVE PLAN.
UM, SO YEAH, THERE, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT GOTTA BE LOOKED AT I THINK BEFORE, BEFORE, UH,
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BEFORE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE IT BECOMES PRELIMINARY.EVEN BEFORE IT GOES TO THE NEXT STEP.
SO ZACH, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS FREE TO MAKE ITS RECOMMENDATION, UM, RECOMMENDING TENTATIVE APPROVAL, RECOMMENDING TENTATIVE DENIAL, RECOMMENDING TENTATIVE APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
UM, I I I DON'T, WE'RE ALSO NOT REQUIRED TO DO ANYTHING.
YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.
UM, DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S NOT GONNA GO TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UM, BUT THEY WOULD GET, THEY WOULD GET ALL OF OUR COMMENTS BASICALLY.
SO IN KNOWING WHAT ZACH JUST SAID, WHAT I HEARD HER SAY, GIVE A POSITIVE, UH, TO, UH, TO THE, A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD.
WE COULD GIVE A NEGATIVE, UH, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OR WE COULD GIVE A POSITIVE WITH CONDITIONS OR YOU COULD JUST REFUSE TO TAKE ANY POSITION OR REFUSE TO TAKE ANY POSITION, WHICH WE ALWAYS KNOW WE DIDN'T TAKE THAT.
WE ALWAYS KNOW WE SO LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE THREE OR FOUR, UM, UM, DIRECTIONS WE CAN TAKE WITH THIS AT THIS POINT.
AND, UM, SO ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE BEFORE WE, I ASK FOR A MOTION WE DIDN'T ASK BRIAN.
BEFORE, DID BRIAN, DID YOU, DO YOU LIVE ANY TRAFFIC ISSUES HERE? NO, THERE'S NOTHING SIGNIFICANT FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE.
THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO ZIGZAG TO GET IN, LIKE THEY COULD, IT HASN'T CHANGE THE ENTRANCE ROAD COMING IN, BUT HASSETT ROAD COULD CONTINUE STRAIGHT IN.
THE, THE ISSUE THERE IS, SO YOU'RE SAYING THE ROAD ALIGNMENT OF ROAD A WITH HASSAN ROAD? YEAH.
THE, THE TROUBLE IS THE, THE PROPERTY DOESN'T ECLIPSE THE FULL WIDTH OF HASSEN ROAD.
SO IN ORDER TO LINE IT UP, YOU'D HAVE TO BE EITHER SLIGHTLY OFFSET OR YOU'D HAVE TO MAKE SOME TYPE OF AN ARRANGEMENT WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, I I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE OFFSET, UM, ROAD EGG INTERSECTION WITH WILSON WAYNE.
SO THERE'S NO SAFETY CONCERNS ABOUT LEFT.
I MEAN, THERE'S ONLY A FEW HOMES UP THERE.
UM, JUST THAT YOU BROUGHT THIS BACK UP AND REMINDED ME.
SO WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT ORPHAN, UM, PIECE OF PROPERTY ACROSS THE, WHAT WHAT'S YOUR PLAN FOR THAT IN THE FUTURE? I MEAN, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE, UH, AS JEFF POINTED OUT, BEING A NONCONFORMING, WE WOULD PROPOSE A HOUSE ON THAT, UM, IS A VERY NARROW ENVELOPE FRONT TO BACK, ALTHOUGH IT'S LONG, UH, ALONG THE FRONTAGE, UM, UM, WE WOULD PROBABLY LOOK FOR A VARIANCE ON THE FRONT YARD, UM, OR THE REAR YARD, UM, DEPENDING ON THE, UM, SIZE OF THE HOME THAT, UM, SO IT WOULD BE A MUCH SMALLER HOME IS WHAT YOU PROBABLY PROPOSE IN THE FUTURE? YES.
IT WOULD BE MORE ALONG THE LINES OF THE HOMES ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET.
IF YOU NOTICE THE LOT SIZES HERE ARE MUCH SMALLER AND THE HOMES ARE SMALLER.
SO IT WOULD FIT INTO THAT, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT YOU'RE NOT SHOWING THAT EITHER.
SO RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE NO, THAT'S DOWN THE ROAD TYPE PLANE OR CORRECT.
YEAH, THAT'S, BUT IT IS A 14, I MEAN ADMINISTRATIVE SAKE.
IT IS A 14 LOT SUBDIVISION, NOT OKAY.
THEY'RE 13 NOT SHOWING ANYTHING RIGHT DOWN.
WE CAN ASSUME THAT 14,000 GOING IN THERE.
'CAUSE THEY DON'T NEED TO SUBDIVIDE OR THEY, THEY ARE SUBDIVIDING THAT TECHNICALLY IT'S ONE PARCEL NOW WITH HASSAN ROAD OR WITH, I GUESS THAT'S WILSON IN THAT AND CUTTING BISECTING THE PARCEL.
IT'S SORT OF A NATURAL SUBDIVISION.
THAT ARGUMENT COULD BE MADE, BUT THROUGH THIS PROCESS IT WILL BECOME ITS OWN PARCEL.
WHEN YOU TYPE IT INTO THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY POINTS IT AT THE SMALL PARCEL AS BEING THAT PARCEL.
THAT'S WHERE 1 0 4 HASIM IS ACTUALLY ADDRESSED FROM MY LOOK AT THE MAPS.
AND IF ANY, IF, IF APPROVAL WERE TO BE GIVEN A CONDITION OF THAT APPROVAL FOR THAT LOT WOULD BE THAT THEY WOULD'VE TO GO GET WHATEVER VARIANCE RELIEF THEY WOULD BE UNDER THE ZONING AND IF THE PRELIMINARY COME BACK, THEY WOULD'VE TO SHOW SOME PRELIMINARY IN THERE SOMETHING BESIDES THE HOUSE DRIVEWAY, ALL THAT STUFF.
YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO OBTAIN ZONING APPROVAL AS LONG AS ZONING APPROVAL IS CONDITIONED.
IS IS LAND OF DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL IS CONDITIONED ON GETTING ZONING APPROVAL.
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WAY THAT YOU HAVE TO DO IT, ONE OR THE OTHER.UM, TYPICALLY YOU WOULD WANT TO GET ZONING APPROVAL FIRST TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY DEVELOP IT.
BUT UM, IS THEY'RE NOT SHOWING ANY IMPROVEMENTS THERE AT THIS TIME.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE AN ISSUE.
WELL, SO WE'RE BACK TO WHERE WE ARE GUYS.
IF ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ANYBODY WANTS TO, UH, WANTS TO PUT ON THIS, IF, IF YOU WANTED TO PUN FOR ANOTHER MINUTE, YOU CAN TAKE AUDIENCE IF THERE'S ANY AUDIENCE.
I, KEVIN VENTURE THAT ANYBODY IN THE, UH, AUDIENCE WANT TO COME UP AND MAKE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS? I WOULD LIKE TO, IF YOU'D LIKE TO, UH, THESE GENTLEMEN WILL SEAT THE BOOTH TO YOU AND PLEASE AS YOU AS YOU KNOW, STATE YOUR NAME,
I HAVE WALKED IT, I'VE BEEN ON IT.
YOU WORRIED ABOUT STEEP SLOPE? NOW I WOULD NOT WORRY ABOUT STEEP SLOPE THERE BECAUSE IT IS NOT TO DRIVE THAT IS VERY EASY RIGHT NOW.
THE WAY WITH THE GRASS IS VERY, VERY EASY.
UM, SO YOU'RE SAYING, YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S NOT AN IMPEDIMENT TO THIS? NO, IT IS NOT AN IMPEDIMENT AT ALL.
IT JUST, IT'S LEAKS OVER THE I HAVE DRIVEN IT, SO YEAH, I'VE BEEN OUT THERE TOO.
SO YES, IT'S UM, VERY EASY TO, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S MY BIGGEST THING RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT THAT'S, IT'S VERY, VERY, VERY DRIVABLE.
I THINK, 'CAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I DIDN'T, I HAVEN'T WALKED IT FOR MYSELF.
ANYBODY ELSE, ANYBODY ELSE OUT THERE, UM, THAT CAN'T WAIT TO COME UP HERE AND MAKE A COMMENT? NOT HEARING ANY BACK TO THE BOARD.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS THAT WE CAN SHARE IF, IF I COULD JUST SHARE AN IDEA? SURE.
UM, MY SUGGESTION IS IF YOU, IF YOU APPROVE THE IDEA IN GENERAL, IMPOSE CONDITIONS ON IT AND LET US DEAL WITH THAT BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT, UH, THAT'S WHAT ZACH RECOMMENDED.
AND I LIKE THAT IDEA BECAUSE, BECAUSE ANTHONY HAS DONE, HE, HE'S MOVED HEAVEN AND EARTH TO, TO WORK THAT PLAN TO MAKE IT WORK.
IT'S VERY LOW DENSITY GIVEN IF YOU KNOW THE TRACT.
UM, IT PRESERVES ALL THE NATURAL FEATURES AND WHEN YOU WORK A PLAN LIKE THAT, YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, SNACKS HERE AND THERE THAT YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS.
I, I WOULD ASK THE BOARD TO GET BEHIND IT, YOU KNOW, RECOMMEND IT IMPOSE CONDITIONS THAT YOU THINK ARE REASONABLE.
SO, UM, ANYBODY WANT TO DO ANYTHING OR I I CAN STEP OFF AND AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION IF, IF IF NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO GO OPEN IT, UM, I'LL STEP OUT THEN JEFF, AND MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION.
UH, YOU KNOW, I I I LIKE WHAT ZACH SAID AND YOU JUST REITERATED IT.
I WAS ORIGINALLY PROBABLY GOING TO SAY NO TO THIS, BUT I THINK THAT, UH, YOU MADE GOOD POINTS.
IT IS, IT IS A LEGAL PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED.
I THINK THAT, UH, SO MY PROPOSAL WOULD BE THAT WE APPROVE, SEND THIS TO THE, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISOR WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE, UH, UH, THE TENTATIVE, UH, WITH THE CAVEAT OF AT LEAST THOSE THREE THAT I MENTIONED.
AND PLEASE ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY ELSE WANT TO MENTION? UH, MAYBE THE ROAD IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE, UH, ADDRESSED BEFORE WE GET IT.
RIGHT? SO, SO STEEP SLOPES AND UNDERSTANDING AND MAKE SURE EVEN THOUGH WE GOT A GOOD, GOOD FEEL FROM THE GENTLEMAN THERE THAT, UM, THAT IT'S NOT A PROBLEM, BUT WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT, THAT THAT THAT IT ISN'T A PROBLEM.
UH, AND NUMBER TWO WOULD BE THE UH, UH, WOULD BE THE DRAINAGE AROUND THERE AND HOW WE'RE SURE THAT'S GONNA BE ADDRESSED FOR FUTURE BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, 25 YEARS FROM NOW, NONE OF US ARE GONNA BE HERE.
UM, AND THEN, UH, THE LAST ONE WOULD BE THE FIRE MARSHAL AND HIS CONCERN WITH THE BACK THREE LOTS.
SO ANYBODY, I THINK ANY OTHER CAVEATS ANYBODY'D LIKE TO ADD JEN, WHAT WAS THE ONE ABOUT THIS? THE MIDDLE PROPERTY WITH THE SIDE YARDS AND THE BACKYARDS AND THAT REQUIRING YOU ADAM, MAYBE JEFF CAN WEIGH IN ON THAT.
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I THINK IT'S LOT 10, THE ONE IN THE CENTER LOOP THAT THERE'S ONLY THREE YARDS AND THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE A SIDE IN A REAR.IT, IT IS THE WAY THAT THE LOT IS CONFIGURED, IT IS ACTUALLY THE WAY THE LOT IS DRAWN.
WE PUT A SIDE YARD HERE AND THAT SHOULD BE A REAR YARD POINT.
SO WE CAN REDRAW THAT LINE DOES NOT AFFECT THE HOUSE, THE LAYOUT, THE LOTTING IT, IT, IT AFFECTS, AT THIS STAGE IT DOESN'T AFFECT THEM AS MUCH, BUT IN THE FUTURE IT WILL BECAUSE WHEN THEY GO TO TRY TO PUT A POOL IN THERE AND SHED IN THERE, I WILL HAVE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH THEM LIKE, WELL THAT'S A FRONT YARD, YOU CAN'T PUT IT THERE.
THAT'S A, THAT'S THE, THERE'S GONNA BE VERY LIMITED SPACE THAT THEY CAN PUT ANY SORT OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, WHICH I CAN ALMOST GUARANTEE YOU OUT OF THE 13 LOTS, EVERYTHING IN THE FRONT IS GONNA BE ASKING FOR A POOL.
UM, THAT'S JUST THE WAY, THE WAY IT GOES NOWADAYS.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE A, A PROBLEM.
THERE'S NO WAY AROUND IT NECESSARILY.
WE RUN INTO THIS PROBLEM WITH THE STAR MONT DEVELOPMENT A LOT, A LOT OF THOSE LOTS SORT OF HAVE THE SAME ISSUE.
IT, IT IS SOMETHING WE DEAL WITH, BUT IT'S NOT IDEAL.
I HAVE TWO CORNERS SO I UNDERSTAND.
SO, SORRY, THE ONLY CAVEAT I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER IS THAT I CAN'T MAKE THEM GO TO THE ZONING HEARING BOARD BEFORE PRELIMINARY, BUT I WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE ENCOURAGED TO RUN THAT PROCESS AT THIS AT THE SAME TIME AS PRELIMINARY.
UM, BECAUSE THAT WAY WE CAN GET THE STEEP SLOPE ISSUES IDENTIFIED AS WE'RE REVIEWING THE PRELIMINARY PLAN.
I HAVE NO, WE HAVE NO REGULATORY ABILITY TO MAKE THEM GO AT ANY CERTAIN TIME.
THEY COULD GO AFTER FINALS APPROVED, BUT I, I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THEM FROM MY POSITION TO RUN THAT PROCESS PRIOR TO OR DURING THE PRELIMINARY PLAN REVIEW STATEMENT.
SO IS THAT A SUGGESTION TO THESE FOLKS? WHICH, OR IS THAT A COPY? IT IS KIND OF A STRONG CAVEAT.
AGAIN, I HAVE NO REGULATORY, ZACH WOULD BACK ME UP THAT WE HAVE NO REGULATORY ABILITY TO FORCE THEM TO DO ANYTHING.
BUT FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE AND, AND WHEN WE GET TO, IF WE GET TO PRELIMINARY, IT MAKES THAT PROCESS A LOT EASIER FOR US TO UNDERSTAND.
WE'RE NOT SAYING, OKAY, WELL WE WILL CONDITION IT ON THE ZONING HEARING BOARD APPROVAL.
THEY'RE KIND OF RUNNING AT THE SAME TIME.
BUT WE COULD ASK THEM FOR THAT CONDITION AND IF THEY ACCEPT IT, WE CAN INCLUDE IT AS PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION.
SO, SO I, WHAT I'M HEARING NOW, THERE'S FIVE EXACTLY THAT ANSWER.
YEAH, I MEAN, AND I, I THINK WHAT JIM WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY GET AWAY FROM THE LIDAR MEASUREMENTS FOR THE SLOPE AND THEY ACTUALLY GET INTO THE NITTY NITTY GRITTY ON FOOT SURVEY THAT MAY CLARIFY WHAT ZONING RELIEF THEY NEED.
SO IT MAY MAKE MORE SENSE FOR THEM TO GO TO THE ZONING HEARING BOARD AT THAT TIME 'CAUSE THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT RELIEF THEY NEED.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT MAY MAKE LOGICAL SENSE FOR 'EM TO DO THAT, BUT THAT MAY BE THE RIGHT, RIGHT.
AND, AND MY CONCERN WITH THE ZONING HEARING BOARD IS ALWAYS YOU GO, YOU GET YOUR APPROVAL AND THEN SOMETHING COMES UP LATER ON THAT THAT SORT OF COMES BACK AND MAKES YOU GO BACK TO THE ZONING HEARING BOARD.
UH, SO THERE'S ALWAYS THAT QUESTION.
UM, YOU'LL FIND OUT LATER WHY I JUST LOOKED AT BERNADETTE.
BUT, UM,
THAT, THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S A, AS WELL, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO AS A CAVEAT.
THEN WE'RE GONNA PUT IT IN THERE AS WE STRONGLY RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD SUPERVISOR THAT THAT'S PART OF THE OVERALL NEXT STEPS.
AND, AND I THINK THAT THE WAY THAT THEY APPROACHED THIS PROBABLY MAKES SENSE TO COME HERE WITH TENTATIVE, MAKE SURE THAT ON THE, YOU KNOW, BROAD BRUSH STROKES, THAT THIS MAKES SENSE.
AND THEN THOUGH, ONCE THEY GET INTO MORE THE NITTY GRITTY OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE PLAN, THEN THEY CAN GO IN FOR ZONING RELIEF.
UM, AT LEAST I WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT'S THE STRATEGY HERE.
UM, SO I, I, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH JUST INCLUDING A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE PURSUE ZONING BELIEVE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
SO, BACK TO MY RECOMMENDATION, THEN WE WOULD'VE ADD FIVE CAVEATS TO, TO IT.
UH, THE FOURTH ONE OR THE FIFTH ONE BEING THAT LOT 10.
MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT AND HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
'CAUSE AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT TO GET, UH, ZONING APPROVAL, THEN HAVE TO GO BACK BECAUSE SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT A 20 FOOT SWIMMING POOL IN THERE.
UM, SO THAT BEING FIVE CAVEATS.
ANY OTHERS? I GUESS SOMEBODY, I GUESS, UH, YOUR WIFE WILL CATCH HER ALL THAT.
I HOPE
I'M ALREADY STARTING TO FORGET.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE, JEN, RYAN? NOTHING.
SO THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT.
WE RECOMMEND IT, UH, TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE FIVE CAVEATS AND, UH, AS, AS, AS PART OF THE, UH, OF OUR RECOMMENDATION.
SO I'M, I'M LOOKING FOR A VOTE.
I'M LOOKING FOR US TO VOTE ON A RECOMMENDATION.
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IT.SO I NEED A, IT, A VOTE OR A MOTION.
OR IT'S A MOTION AT THIS POINT.
AND WE'LL NEED A, WE'LL NEED A SECOND.
ALRIGHT, BOB, SECONDED TO, UH, MOVE THIS FORWARD.
I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH IT AGAIN 'CAUSE I KNOW I'LL MESSED IT UP.
SO, UM, UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
SO YOU GOT, ALL FOUR OF US HAVE APPROVED IT AT THIS POINT.
AND I DIDN'T MEAN TO BEAT YOU UP TOO BAD.
I'M SURE YOU GOT WORSE IN YOUR LIFE.
I'M NOT IN CONTROL OF THE BOARD AGENDA, BUT UNLESS I'M TOLD DIFFERENTLY.
THAT'S THE NEXT BOARD MEETING? YES.
JUST REAL QUICKLY, UH, UH, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT THESE HOUSES TO GO FOR AT A, WHEN THEY'RE BUILT, YOU KNOW, BASED ON, YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S REAL EARLY YET, BUT JUST, JUST A GENERAL THAT'S GONNA BE DETERMINED ON, ON THE, UH, DEVELOPER BUILDER THAT WE END UP DEALING WITH.
BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL GONNA HAVE THEIR OWN PRODUCT AT THE END OF THE DAY.
AND IT'S GONNA BE MARKET CONDITIONS BY THE TIME THIS GOES THROUGH NPDS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
THE MARKET'S DIFFERENT TODAY THAN IT'S GOING TO BE.
14 OR 18 MONTHS FROM AND WHEN YOU COME BACK, THOSE, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT IN.
OKAY, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON OUR AGENDA NOW BECAUSE, UM, UM, WE'VE SPENT A LONG TIME.
UM, AND I GUESS IT'S SPOTLESS CAR WASH.
BERNADETTE NEY FROM HAMBURG, RUBEN HERE ON BEHALF OF SPOTLESS.
UH, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T GET YOU YOUR WHIP.
YOU, YOU SAID YOUR NAME, BUT I DIDN'T.
BERNADETTE KEARNEY FROM HAMBURG.
RUBEN MULLEN MAX, THE LAW FIRM.
UM, AND WE'RE HERE ON BEHALF OF SPOTLESS THIS EVENING.
AND WE DO HAVE, UH, SOME OTHER PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE.
KE KESTER KELLY FROM DL COMPANY'S THE ENGINEER GUY DE MARTINO FROM TRAFFIC PLANNING DESIGNS.
THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER JOHN LOMBARDO FROM SPOTLESS IS ALSO PRESENT.
UM, WE DID GO BEFORE THE ZONING HEARING BOARD, UH, PRIOR TO FILING THE TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN.
AND WE, UH, HAD THE HEARING BACK IN JUNE.
THERE WERE NEIGHBORS PRESENT AT THE HEARING.
UH, WE SPOTLESS DID TALK TO THOSE NEIGHBORS.
YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE ALSO LISTED IN, UM, JEFF'S REVIEW, UH, MEMORANDUM.
ONE WAS THE, WE, THE NEIGHBORS WANTED A FENCE.
UH, THE FENCE HAS SHOWN, WE RECOGNIZE THAT.
UH, THE HEIGHT JEFF POINTED OUT, WE HAD TO SHOW THAT THEY WANTED EIGHT FEET.
UH, WE DID GET THE ZONING RELIEF FOR THE EIGHT FEET FOR THE FENCE LANDSCAPE AND BUFFERING HAVE TO BE, UM, THE TOWNSHIP AND WITH THE NEIGHBORS CONSULTANT ON THAT, WHERE WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT LANDSCAPING, HOW MUCH, WHAT TYPE THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
WE DIDN'T GET THE ZONING DECISION TILL, UM, ACTUALLY AUGUST.
SO THEN WE FILED THE TENTATIVE SKETCH IN SEPTEMBER.
UH, WE RECOGNIZED FROM, UH, GILMORE REVIEW LETTER AND KESSLER'S GONNA TAKE OVER AFTER THIS.
WE SET THE PLAN OVER THIS AFTERNOON 'CAUSE WE WERE ADDRESSING SOME ISSUES ABOUT CIRCULATION.
SO KESSLER'S GONNA EXPLAIN THE CHANGE IN THE PLAN FROM WHAT WAS SUBMITTED TO WHAT IS BEING SHOWN ON THE SCREEN, WHICH ADDRESSES SOME OF THE CIRCULATION ISSUES.
BUT THIS IS A CAR WASH WITH A WET TUNNEL AND TWO DRY TUNNELS.
UH, THE VACUUM SPACES, THE PARKING SPACES, UH, THE HOURS ARE GONNA BE EIGHT TO EIGHT.
THIS IS LIKE A MEMBERSHIP TYPE OF THING.
YOU CAN GO IF YOU DON'T HAVE A MEMBERSHIP.
BUT THEY, UM, THEY DO CATER TO THEIR MEMBERS.
UM, AND, UM, WHEN YOU SAID THEY CATER TO THE MEMBERS, WHAT IS THAT? MEANING? IF YOU HAVE A MEMBERSHIP CARD, YOU GO THROUGH THE PAY STATION, YOU HAVE THE, THE CARD THAT LETS YOU IN.
YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T NEED SOMEONE, YOU KNOW.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN IT.
YOU DO, YOU CAN JUST GO THROUGH WITH THE MEMBERSHIP CARD.
THERE IS, DOES THAT GET YOU LIKE THE FRONT OF THE LINE OR SOMETHING? IS IT NO, BUT IT, IT, YOU HAVE, YOU GET LIKE DISCOUNTS JUST THE PAYING THE PROCESS.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? IT'S LIKE A CARD READER.
CARD READER HAS TO, TO STOP DOWN YOUR WINDOW.
DOESN HE GET YOU IN FRONT OF THE LINE OR LINE OR YOU STILL SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT ACTUALLY THERE WAS DISCUSSION AT THE ZONING HEARING BOARD.
SOMETIMES YOU DO ONE LANE MIGHT BE FOR PEOPLE MEMBERS GOING IN THE OTHER LANE.
BUT, BUT KEISHA'S GONNA TAKE OVER FROM THERE AND EXPLAIN.
WELL, I THINK EACH GENTLEMAN HAS YOU.
DO YOU WANT ME TO EXPLAIN WORKS? SURE.
I, UM, I'M FROM SPOTLESS, UM, GAR, GAR,
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G-A-R-G-A-N-I-O.SO THE, THE OUTSIDE LANE IS A MEMBER LANE.
WHAT THE MEMBERS HAVE IS, THEY HAVE A LITTLE, RIGHT NOW, AT SOME POINT IT WILL BE A A A A, UM, LICENSE PLATE, LICENSE PLATE READER.
BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S A STICKER THAT GOES IN THE FRONT.
DO WE HAVE THE POINTER? YES, I POINTED TO IT.
YEAH, THAT'S THE OUTSIDE LANE.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT WHEN YOU ARE A MEMBER, YOU COME UP TO THAT OUTSIDE LANE AND IT READS YOU WHILE THE OTHER PEOPLE ARE STILL SLIDING THEIR CARS, THEIR CARDS.
AND THE OTHER THING HERE IS THESE, EVERY ONE OF THESE, THEY ARE, THEY DON'T TALK, THEY'RE NOT LIKE A, LIKE A A QSRS FOOD LOCATIONS.
WE HAVE A, WE HAVE AN EMPLOYEE OUT THERE ALL THE TIME HELPING THE OTHER TWO LANES GET THEIR CARDS THROUGH SO YOU GET THROUGH QUICKLY.
UM, BUT THE OUTSIDE LANE DOESN'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR THAT.
THEY PULL UP, THEY STOP READS 'EM.
LET'S ADMIT THAT THAT'S, THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.
AND SO YOU DO GET THROUGH QUICKER AS, AS A MEMBER, BECAUSE IT'S, YOU'RE NOT EVEN WITH THE HELP, IT TAKES A SECOND TO, IF YOU'RE DOING A PURPOSE LINE CARD, ALL THREE OF 'EM HAVE THE READERS, BUT THE OUTSIDE ONE IS DEDICATED TO TO MEMBERS.
WELL, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON OPERATIONS.
YOU WANT TO LET HER DO HER PRESENTATION, THEN WE'LL ASK THE OPERATIONAL QUESTION BEFORE WE EVEN GET THAT FAR.
DO YOU HAVE A, A MAP AS TO WHERE THIS LOT IS? I WENT OVER TO LOOK TODAY AND I CAN'T THINK, IS IT NEXT TO THE BANK OR IS IT ONE HOUSE OVER? IT'S ONE HOUSE.
I THINK IT'S ONE OVER THE HOUSE ON THE BIG WHITE HOUSE THAT'S NEXT TO THAT.
YEAH, BETWEEN THE HOMES, THERE'S A ROW OF A COUPLE HOMES.
AND THEN THE SHOPPING CENTER, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S AN OLD REPAIR.
I, I HAD THE, MY GPS DIDN'T EVEN TELL ME.
WELL, IT TOLD ME, BUT I STILL DIDN'T KNOW WHICH PROPERTY.
YOU PUT IT IN THERE AND TAKES YOU TO THE WRONG WALL.
A BIG WRENCH OUT THE FRONT OF IT.
YOUR, YOUR PROPOSED, UH, DRIVEWAY ENTRY WILL BE RIGHT PRETTY MUCH RIGHT ACROSS FROM WHERE THE WAWA DRIVE IS.
WE'RE HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
WE'RE THE CIVIL ENGINEERS ON THE PROJECT.
SO I CAN TALK YOU THROUGH HOW THE SITE FUNCTIONS.
UM, AS BERNADETTE MENTIONED, WE DID SUBMIT A PLAN FOR TENTATIVE SKETCH.
WE GOT SOME OF THE COMMENT LETTERS BACK, AND WE WENT AHEAD AND MADE SOME OF THE ADJUSTMENTS FOR CIRCULATION TO WHAT WE THINK IMPROVE UPON AND ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS.
SO IS IT OKAY IF I JUST JUMP TO THAT PLAN? BUT I'M HAPPY TO DO A COMPARISON.
SO YOU HAVE THE PLAN THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU.
I WILL TRY TO TALK AND POINT AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, CARS WOULD ENTER IN THE SITE AND THEN THEY GO INTO THE QUEUE LANES.
SO THESE ARE THE THREE PACE STATIONS.
AS RAY SAID, THE OUTER LANE IS MEMBERS ONLY.
THINK OF IT LIKE AN EASY PASS, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE YOUR EASY PASS, YOU CAN ZIP THROUGH A LITTLE QUICKER IF YOU HAVE TO STOP AND PAY.
UM, SO THERE'S PLENTY OF QUEUING AND STACKING HERE.
THEN THE CARS WOULD CIRCULATE THROUGH AND THEY WOULD ENTER IN THE WET TUNNEL.
THE WET TUNNEL IS YOUR TRADITIONAL CAR WASH.
SO AT THAT POINT YOU CAN LEAVE AND DO A COUPLE OPTIONS, RIGHT? YOU CAN GET A WET TUNNEL, YOU CAN GET A WET WASH, COME OUT, CIRCULATE AROUND THE SITE AND LEAVE.
YOU COULD GET A WET WASH, CIRCULATE AND THEN ENTER ONE OF THE VACUUM BOOMS, VACUUM SPACES WHERE YOU BASICALLY SELL, VACUUM OUT THE INSIDE OF YOUR CAR.
OR, AND THIS IS WHAT'S MORE UNIQUE TO SPOTLESS, IS IF YOU CAN LEAVE THE WET BATH, YOU CAN CIRCULATE, YOU CAN COME UP HERE AND THEN YOU CAN ENTER IN ONE OF THE TWO DRY BELTS.
THE DRY BELTS ARE LIKE DETAIL BELTS.
SO YOU DRIVE YOUR CAR IN, THEN AS A CUSTOMER, YOU GET OUT, THERE'S AN INTERNAL WAITING ROOM, UM, WHERE YOU'D WAIT AND THE EMPLOYEES WOULD COME IN AND CLEAN THE INSIDE OF YOUR CAR, VACUUM OUT THE INSIDE, WASH THE WINDOWS, WIPE EVERYTHING DOWN, AND THEN THE CAR WOULD BE PARKED.
YOU WOULD GET BACK IN AND THEN YOU COULD CIRCULATE THE SITE AND LEAVE.
UM, SO THE SITE IS CURRENTLY, I THINK SOMEBODY MENTIONED LIKE AN AUTO REPAIR SHOP.
SO WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO DEMO THE EXISTING BUILDING, PROPOSE A NEW JUST SHY OF 10,000 SQUARE FOOT CAR WASH.
UM, WE'RE PROPOSING 12 VACUUM SPACES AND 11 EMPLOYEE SPACES.
11 PARKING SPACES, IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? 11 PARKING SPACES FOR EMPLOYEES? FOR EMPLOYEES, YES.
THERE'S NO REASON FOR A CUSTOMER TO PARK IN A PARKING SPACE.
THERE'S NO NOTHING FOR THEM TO GO INTO THE CAR WASH.
YOU CAN'T BUY ANYTHING OR, SO THERE'S NO REASON FOR ANY CUSTOMER PARKING.
UM, SO AS WE INTERPRETED AND COORDINATED WITH JEN
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TODAY AND SOME OF THE COMMENTS, THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS I WOULD SAY OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN WE SUBMITTED.IF YOU COULD JUST FLIP BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN, UM, WAS WE HAD A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT CIRCULATION PATTERN WHERE WE HAD A MORE DIRECT ACCESS OUT OF THE WET TUNNEL HERE.
AND IT FELT LIKE THERE'S A LOT MORE POINTS OF POTENTIAL CONFLICT HERE, AS WELL AS SOME LIMITED CIRCULATION ONE WAY ON THIS SIDE.
SO WE FEEL LIKE THE NEW PLAN THAT WE'VE PRESENTED HAS REALLY IMPROVED ON THAT CIRCULATION, UM, AND ADDRESSED THOSE CONCERNS.
IS THAT WHAT YEAH, SO IF YOU FLIP TO THE NEW PLAN, YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT'S CLOSED OFF.
IT ALLOWS, THIS IS NO LONGER AN ACCESS HERE.
THIS ALLOWS IT FOR TWO-WAY, WHICH WILL BE BETTER CIRCULATION FOR EMPLOYEES, BETTER CIRCULATION FOR TRASH, AND ELIMINATING SOME OF THE, THE DIFFERENT TURNING MOVEMENTS.
SO WE DID GET ALL THE REVIEW LETTERS.
I WOULD PREFER NOT TO GO THROUGH THEM IN DETAIL UNLESS YOU GUYS WANT TO TOUCH BASE ON ANYTHING.
BUT ESSENTIALLY THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE KNOWS NOW.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY, I JUST LOOKED AT THE FIRE MARSHAL.
I DON'T SEE, YOU KNOW, HE TALKS ABOUT WATER, ACCESS TO WATER, MAKE SURE ALL THE WATER, THERE'S NOTHING WE DON'T FEEL LIKE WE CAN COMPLY WITH AT THE PRELIMINARY PLANS.
HOW ABOUT TRAFFIC? BRIAN? AND I THINK, UH, FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, THE, THE BIGGEST CONCERN WAS THE INTERNAL CIRCULATION.
UM, I THINK THE, THE PROPOSED NEW PLAN, UH, GOES A LONG WAY TO ADDRESS THAT.
I GUESS MY ONE QUESTION WOULD BE, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY TO ESSENTIALLY MIRROR THE SITE? BECAUSE WHAT YOU STILL HAVE AT THAT FIRST INTERNAL INTERSECTION IS THAT INBOUND TRAFFIC NEEDS TO CROSS TO GO TO THE LEFT TO GO TO THE PACE STATIONS AND EXITING TRAFFIC IS COMING FROM THE RIGHT.
SO YOU'RE FORCING ALL OF THE ENTERING AND EXITING TRAFFIC TO CROSS.
AND IT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND NECESSARILY ALL OF YOUR INTERNAL OPERATIONS AND BUILDING, BUT IF THERE WAS A WAY TO ESSENTIALLY MIRROR THE SITE, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY ELIMINATE THAT, THAT CROSSING MOVEMENT.
INTERNAL FROM, YOU KNOW, OUR CONCERN JUST WOULD BE DOES TRAFFIC POTENTIALLY BACK UP, OUT ONTO, UH, YOU KNOW, ONTO THE MAIN ROAD THAT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, TO, TO LOOK AT IT AND TO, TO SEE IF THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED FOR.
AND WHEN YOU COME OUT OF THE MAIN ENTRANCE THERE, IS THAT A RIGHT TURN ONLY OR ARE YOU CROSSING THE HIGHWAY RIGHT TURN? IT'S A RIGHT TURN.
SO THAT'S A RIGHT TURN ONLY FOR SOMEBODY COMING OUT.
HOW ABOUT COMING IN? IS IT YOU ALLOWED ACROSS THE HIGHWAY OR IS THAT NO LEFT TURN.
UH, IT'S SHOWN CURRENTLY TO BE RIGHT IN RIGHT IN ONLY, YES.
THEY WILL NEED TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS OF GETTING THE HIGHWAY OCCUPANCY PERMIT WITH PENNDOT AND THEY WILL REQUIRE A TRAFFIC STUDY OF, OF SOME MAGNITUDE.
AND THE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT THEY WILL ALSO OPINE ON.
SO, SO I'M COMING DOWN RIDGE, UH, HEADING, UH, EAST.
I'VE GOTTA GO DOWN AND TURN AROUND SOMEWHERE.
AND WE KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GONNA TURN AROUND LIGHT AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY, THAT WILL NEED TO BE LOOKED AT AND ADDRESSED AS PART OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS, YOU KNOW, FOR THE TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE COMING FROM THAT DIRECTION OR THAT WANTS TO LEAVE AND GO THAT DIRECTION, YOU KNOW, HOW IS THAT GONNA BE ACCOMPLISHED? IS THERE A SAFE MECHANISM FOR THAT TO, TO HAPPEN? BECAUSE THAT WAY YOU'D HAVE TO, YOU'D HAVE TO GO UP AND UP TO MCDONALD'S ALMOST ALMOST RIGHT TO TURN BECAUSE YOU REALLY COULDN'T TURN ON, WELL, YOU GO TO THE STORAGE FACILITY AND THAT'S GOING DOWN.
YOU'RE COMING OUT AND YOU'RE HEADING WEST.
THE NEXT LIGHT IS IN, INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER.
YOU EITHER TURN RIGHT INTO MCDONALD'S OR TURN LEFT INTO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, THE BEST PLACE YOU COULD TURN AROUND ON, UH, ON THE RIDGE.
YEAH, A RIDGE IN, UH, I MAKE THE JOKE ABOUT PEOPLE, HOWEVER YOU PRONOUNCE IT, BUT THAT'S REALLY JUST, THOSE ARE THE NEXT TWO TRAFFIC LIGHTS WHERE IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO TURN AROUND.
SO WE FULLY ARE AWARE THAT WE HAVE LOTS OF COORDINATION TO DO WITH PENNDOT.
WE HAVE, UH, TPD, UH, AS PART OF THE PROJECT TEAM WHO'S ALREADY SUBMITTED SCOPING TO PENNDOT AND WE UNDERSTAND TRAFFIC STUDY AND THE HO P'S GOING TO BE NEXT.
UM, ONE THING I'LL SAY JUST FROM TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE IS ESPECIALLY PEOPLE THAT HAVE MEMBERSHIPS OF THESE CAR WASHES, THEY TEND TO FACTOR THIS INTO THEIR DAY.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT WHAT ERRANDS YOU HAVE TO RUN OR, OR WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO HIT THE CAR WASH? DO YOU GO OUT ON THE WAY TO WORK OR ON THE WAY HOME? YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF LEARN THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT SO THAT YOU CAN AVOID SOME OF THOSE TURNING MOVEMENTS.
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I WAS A MEMBER OF ONE OF THE COMPETITORS OF YOURS IN TEXAS BRIEFLY.UH, AND, UH, I STILL THINK THEY SHOULD LOOK AT THE RIGHT TERM CONGESTION THING, BUT ONE OF THE NICE THINGS ABOUT THE LITTLE VACUUMING STALLS IS IT TENDS TO SELF ALMOST SELF THROTTLE.
BECAUSE PEOPLE GO THROUGH, BUT THEN EVERYBODY VACUUMS AT A DIFFERENT SPEED AND COME OUT.
SO, AND THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT.
AND ADDITIONALLY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S MULTIPLE WAYS TO LEAVE THE SITE.
YOU CAN DO THE WET TUNNEL, GO STRAIGHT, YOU WET TUNNEL, GO TO THE BACK SPACES, WET TUNNEL OR GO TO THE DRY BELTS, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S NOT LIKE EVERY CUSTOMER'S FOLLOWING THE SAME PATH ON SITE.
THERE'S THOSE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, WHICH AGAIN, HELPS KIND OF MAINTAIN THAT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF, WE CALL IT THE WASH TUNNEL.
I IT'S CALLED THE WASH TUNNEL.
ALRIGHT, I'LL TRY TO REMEMBER THAT.
UM, THERE WERE TWO THINGS BROUGHT UP IN JEN'S LETTER THAT, THAT BERNADETTE HAS POINTED OUT TO ME.
UM, ZONING ORDINANCE NUMBER TWO, WHERE NO PART OF A STRUCTURE SHALL BE ERECTED WITHIN OR SHALL PROJECT INTO ANY MINIMUM OR REQUIRED YARD AREA.
UM, THE PAY STATION AND VACUUMS ARE, AND A PRODUCER PAD, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PRODUCER PAD IS, BUT THE PAY STATION, THAT'S JUST PART OF THE STRUCTURE IN MY MIND.
I DON'T CONSIDER THAT TO BE AN ACCESSORY USE.
AND THE VACUUMS I DON'T SEE ON YOUR PLAN.
AND I DON'T SEE FROM THE PICTURES I'VE RESEARCHED FOR SPOTLESS, YOU'RE NOT PROPOSING CANOPIES ALMOST LIKE A GAS CANOPY OR A, A GAS STATION CANOPY OVER THE VACUUM STATIONS? JUST FROM THE PICTURES I'VE SEEN OF OTHER SPOTLESS, IT'S JUST A TUBE VACUUM ON TOP OF A, WE, WE DO IT BOTH WAYS.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE PUTTING, WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON PUTTING, AND A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE NOT A HARD CANOPY.
IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A, A, UM, CANVAS TYPE CANOPY.
I'LL JUST TELL WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT PLANNING THAT.
I, I REALIZE WHAT THE ZONING BOARD SAYS.
AND, AND ZACH AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS AND IT, IT, MY INTERPRETATION AT THIS POINT, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE JUST BECAUSE IT DOES SAY NO STRUCTURE OR ANYTHING IN THE FRONT YARD.
IF YOU REALLY READ THAT STRICT, YOU CAN'T HAVE, UM, THE VACUUMS, YOU PROBABLY CAN'T HAVE CAR CHARGING STATIONS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND THAT'S NOT THE INTENT OF IT.
SO MY INTERPRETATION IS THAT YOU CAN DO THE VACUUM STATIONS, THE VACUUMS THEMSELVES, BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO A CANOPY, WHICH, AND I'M JUST SAYING THIS FROM AN AESTHETIC STANDPOINT, I PREFER, I THINK IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT THAT WOULD REQUIRE A VARIANCE.
SO THAT'S UP TO YOU, THE VACUUMS AS THEY ARE AND AS, AS WRITTEN IN JEN'S LETTER NUMBER TWO.
AND WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE? BERNADETTE NUMBER? I THINK IT WAS NINE.
UM, THOSE DON'T NEED ANY ADDITIONAL RELIEF IN MY INTERPRETATION AT THIS POINT.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, ON THE NEW PLAN, WE DID MOVE THE PRODUCER PAD TO THE OPPOSITE SIDE OUT OF THAT SETBACK.
I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHAT THAT IS.
IT'S A, IT IS LIKE THE, THESE VACUUMS ALL WORK CREATING THE SUCTION OF THE VACUUM.
SO, SO YOU DON'T HAVE IN THE OLD A LOT OF OLD CAR WASHES, YOU HAVE A SINGLE TUBE FOR EACH ONE.
AND THEY ALL MAKE A TON OF NOISE.
WHAT THIS IS, IS THIS IS A, THIS IS A, A ONE BIG VACUUM AND THEY'RE ALL HOOKED TO IT.
AND WHERE'S THAT LOCATED ON HERE? IT'S, IT IS RIGHT THIS RECTANGLE.
THAT'S THE BUILDING WHERE THE EQUIPMENT WILL BE HOUSED.
NORMALLY WHEN WE GET TO THE NEXT STEP, WE'LL, WE'LL DO A SOUND STUDY.
IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES WITH SOUND, WE PUT THAT, WE'LL PUT THAT IN A, IS THAT IN A STRUCTURE OR IS IT UNDERGROUND? IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SITTING ON A PATCH.
WE, WE, WE WILL, WE CAN PUT PROTECTION AROUND IT IF THERE'S A SOUND ISSUE.
WE DON'T EXPECT THE SOUND ISSUE AT WHERE THIS SITS RIGHT NOW, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
BUT THERE ARE TIMES WHERE WE WILL BE CLOSER TO NEIGHBORS OR NOT, YOU KNOW, FARTHER BACK AND, WE'LL, WE'LL PUT SOME, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S GONNA BE THE CASE HERE.
I THINK WE'LL MEET ALL THE, THE SOUND CODES.
YOU HAVE, UH, YOUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT'S UNDER THE PARKING LOT, IS THAT RIGHT? OR IT'S THE YES, IT'S CONCEPTUAL AT THIS POINT.
YOU KNOW, TENTATIVE AT THIS POINT.
BUT YES, OUR INTENT WOULD BE TO GO UNDERGROUND.
JEN, JEN WILL LOOK AT THAT INDIVIDUALLY.
UM, AND THEN, AND WE'LL NEED AN NP DS PERMIT AS WELL.
THIS FACILITY PROBABLY RECYCLES WATER.
SO THERE'S LIKE A HOLDING TANK THERE, THERE ARE THREE CONCRETE TANKS THAT THAT, THAT THE WATER GETS RUNS THROUGH AND IT SETTLES OUT THE PARTICULATES, THEN IT GOES BACK INTO THE BUILDING AND IT RUNS THROUGH A, A RECLAIMED SYSTEM THAT GETS RID OF THE SMALLER PARKING GATES.
WE USE THE WATER ON THE BOTTOM SIDE OF THE, THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT USED AS RINSE WATER.
IT'S USED MAINLY ON THE, THE BOTTOM HALF TRYING TO GET THAT NUMBER UP.
IT'S, UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE 40%? ABOUT 40% RIGHT NOW IS VERY RECLAIMED.
WE, WE HAVE HAD SITES WHERE WE'VE GOTTEN HIGHER THAN THAT AND IT'S, IT'S NOT, WE DON'T TELL ANYBODY WE'RE DOING IT BECAUSE WE, IT'S BEEN HARD TO MAINTAIN, TO BE PERFECT, HONEST,
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SO THAT THERE'S NO, UH, CHEMICALS OR THINGS GETTING INTO THE SEWER SYSTEM.EVERYTHING INSIDE THAT BUILDING RUNS EVERYTHING, SLOPES BACK TO THE BUILDING AND RUNS OUT TO THE SETTLING TANKS AND THEN BACK IN.
SO THERE'S, THERE IS NO, UM, AND THERE'LL BE, THERE'LL BE HEATERS AS YOU COME OUT OF THAT, UM, WASH TUNNEL AND THE, UH, THE
AND, AND IT'LL, IT'LL, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS ANY DRIPPING THAT GETS, THAT GETS TAKEN CARE OF AT THAT POINT, WE, THAT'S FOR ICE.
BUT IT'S ALSO HELPS EVAPORATE, ESPECIALLY FOR ICE C YEAH.
'CAUSE YOU'RE IN THE BUSINESS, RIGHT? YES.
WHY IS THERE THIS SIZE INCREASE IN CAR WASHES IN OUR AREA? I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU SEE THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING? OR WHAT ARE, WHAT IS, WHAT IS YOUR MOTIVATION TO SAY WE WANT TO BUILD THIS HERE BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S A LOT OF CARS AROUND WHAT'S GOING ON? LOT OF DIRTY CARS.
I THINK AS THEY GET BILLED, PEOPLE ARE USING 'EM.
THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CAR WASHES.
WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS MORE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYBODY HERE THAT'S A CAR WASH PERSON, BUT IT'S COUNTER, THIS IS, THIS IS GIVING YOU AN INTERIOR.
IT RISES THROUGH, IT GETS TOTAL CLEANING AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO, SO THAT WEIGHT PART HERE, THE GUY GETS OUTTA THE CAR, WALKS DOWN, THAT'S A PATH THERE OR SOMETHING THAT WEIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE.
YEAH, THAT'S, OH, DOWN THE MIDDLE.
THAT'S THE AREA YOU'LL GET OUT THAT FIRST, THE FIRST SECTION WHERE THERE'S A BREAK, THAT IS WHAT WE, IT'S A, IT'S A LOADING BELT.
IT'S WHEN YOU'RE PULLING IN, IT STOPS.
YOU PULL IN, IT STOPS, YOU GET OUTTA YOUR CAR, THEN IT, THEN IT TURNS ON AND PUTS IT ON THE ACTIVE BELT, WHICH IS BELOW IT.
THAT'S WHERE THE PEOPLE DO THE VACUUMING.
YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR FOOT MATS DO, DO ALL THAT TYPE WORK.
THIS IS NOT, IT'S NOT A DETAIL.
AND THEN AS THEY COME OUT, THE CAR WILL COME OUT TO THAT AREA THERE, YOU'LL GET IN YOUR CAR AND YOU DRIVE.
AND, AND, AND FOR US, THE REASON NOW WE'RE BUILDING HANDFUL.
WE'RE BUILDING A LOT OF THESE IN, IN THE AREA.
UM, AND A LOT OF 'EM AREN'T HAVE ALL THIS SERVICE, BUT WE ALSO BUILD THE OTHER ONES THAT ARE JUST A WASH AND FREE VACUUMS. UM, WHY? IT'S, IT IS PICKING UP SPEED IS, I THINK BECAUSE IT'S, UM, THE NEW TECHNOLOGY, THE, THE, THE FACT THAT THESE WASHES CAN BE, ARE QUICKER.
THEY'RE
A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WHO, A LOT OF THE PLACES THAT HAVE WASHES NOW ARE DOING A LOT OF UPGRADES AND THINGS TO GET TO THIS LEVEL.
I DIDN'T OBJECT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND THE INDUSTRY IS CONSOLIDATING QUITE HONESTLY.
IT'S, THERE'S A LOT, A LOT OF COMPANIES LIKE US WHO STARTED JUST A FEW YEARS AGO WHO ARE, ARE GROWING QUICK.
AND, BUT WHEN YOU SEE, WHEN YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, CAR WASHES LIKE YOURS COMING IN, I MEAN, YOU MUST HAVE SOME SORT OF PER CAPITA THAT YOU SAY, OKAY, SUPPORT.
WE LOOK AT, WE LOOK AT HOW MANY, WE LOOK AT A FEW THINGS.
WE LOOK AT HOW MANY CARS THAT ARE IN THE AREA.
WE LOOK AT HOW MANY WASHES ARE IN THE AREA, AND WE ANALYZE THAT FOR THE ABILITY TO, TO HELP THIS PLACE WILL WORK, FINANCIALLY WORK, RIGHT.
SO WE ALSO LOOK AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS.
WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT A WASH LIKE THIS ONE, UM, IT, IT, IT, YOU CAN'T PUT THIS WASH EVERYWHERE AND BE SUCCESSFUL, YOU KNOW, PLACES.
THIS AREA, IT WORKS IN OTHER AREAS, IT DOESN'T.
SO THERE'S A, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF DECISIONS WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GET TO THE ECONOMICS OF IT, WE, EVERY PROJECT WE GO THROUGH, IT'LL GET REVIEWED BY OUR, WE HAVE A STAFF OF PEOPLE THAT DO ANALYSIS.
WE HAVE, THEY, SOME OF IT'S BASED ON WHAT THEIR FIELD IS.
SOME OF IT'S BASED ON SOME COMPUTER PROGRAMS THAT, THAT PROJECT WHAT THEY'LL DO.
AND WE WORK THROUGH, YOU KNOW, COSTS THE, THE DEMOGRAPHICS, THE PEOPLE AND, AND MAKE A DECISION IF IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS GO THROUGH OUR SYSTEM.
NOT ALL WILL MAKE IT BECAUSE NOT ALL OF 'EM ARE GONNA PROJECT DO WELL.
THIS ONE PROJECTS THE DO WELL, I'M SURE FACT MEMBERSHIP, RIGHT.
THE FACT THAT IT'S A MEMBERSHIP.
AND IF YOU PAY FOR YOUR MONTHLY MEMBERSHIP, AND YOU CAN GO AS MANY TIMES AS YOU WANT.
LIKE, ONE THEORY THAT I'VE HEARD THAT I THINK MAKES A LOT OF SENSE IS ALL THE CAR SHARES, RIGHT? LIKE THE UBER DRIVERS AND LYFTS, THOSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA WANT TO GET THEIR CAR WASHED EVERY DAY OR EVERY TIME BEFORE THEY'RE GONNA DRIVE FOR THAT.
AND THAT'S PART OF, I THINK WHAT'S DRIVING SOME OF THE DEMAND.
ARE YOU GUYS DOING PHOENIXVILLE TOO? IS THAT YOU? YES.
UM, THE WHOLE SAME TEAM,
WHEN I LOOK AT IT, IT IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE INSIDE THE, THE, THE VACUUMS WILL, WILL CIRCLE AROUND THE EDGE OF THAT FRONT CORNER BECAUSE OF JUST HOW THE, HOW THE
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LAYOUT IS WE ARE DOING.CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? THAT'S THE, YOU'RE SAVING THAT RITE AID BUILDING.
YOU'RE KEEPING THAT WE ARE WORKING ON PROBABLY OVER 20 RITEAID RIGHT NOW.
I THINK ONE WILL THEY THEY THEY'RE GOOD FIT FOR YOU, HUH? THEY'RE WELL, AS LONG AS THERE'S GOOD.
THEY, BUT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, TWO ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, PHOENIXVILLE AND THERE'S ONE IN, UM, ONE IN PINELAND, NEW JERSEY.
WE ALSO ARE, WE HAVE A, A PROJECT IN TROOPER THAT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
IT'S MORE OF A, A STANDARD JUST THE WASH TUNNEL AND, AND VACUUMS. AND WE'LL BE STARTING ONE IN A MONTH OR TWO IN, IN SHUFFLE.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU MUST THINK SOMETHING'S GOING ON.
OH YEAH, WE HAVE A COUPLE, WE HAVE SEVERAL NEW JERSEY THAT ARE ON.
WE'RE WE'RE, THIS COMPANY STARTED IN SPOTLESS AS A COMPANY THAT STARTED ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO.
AND WE, WE GATHERED A HANDFUL OF ACROSS THE COUNTRY OF OTHER CHAINS.
UM, WE, UM, FLAGSHIP WAS A COMPANY OUT OF NORTHERN VIRGINIA, THE DMV.
AND IT'S, WE'VE EXPANDED AND A LITTLE BIT IN SOUTHERN MARYLAND.
WE'RE EXPANDING NORTH OF THAT.
WE HAVE A COMPANY IN, UH, KIND OF TENNESSEE, SOUTHERN VIRGINIA, UP THROUGH A LITTLE BIT THROUGH OHIO, UM, CALLED ULTIMATE.
AND UM, THERE'S ONE IN OKLAHOMA.
WE WERE VERY CREATIVE WITH THAT NAME.
BUT THIS WOULD BE A, THIS WOULD BE A FLAGSHIP.
THIS IS, AND THEN WE HAVE, WE HAVE A CHAIN OUT WEST DENVER AND, AND PHOENIX CALLED COMPASS.
UM, THE GOOD MAN WHO STARTED FLAGSHIP IS STILL WITH US.
HE'S A, HE'S, HE'S, HE'S A, HE'S A CARWASH GENIUS.
YOU KNOW, HE STUDIES THIS STUFF.
WE OWN THE, WE HAVE THE LARGEST UNDER ROOF CARWASH IN THE COUNTRY.
IT'S IN, IT'S IN ASHBURN, VIRGINIA.
IT'S GOT MULTIPLE TWO UP TWO, UM, WASH BELTS.
IT'S GOT, UM, IT'S GOT THREE OF THESE TRIBES.
WE HAVE ONE IN, UH, VIENNA, VIRGINIA.
HE'S DONE SOME INTERESTING THINGS.
WE'LL PROBABLY NEVER BUILD ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE, BUT, BUT WE, BUT WE, WE WILL BUILD ONES THAT LIKE THE BIGGER ONES LIKE THAT.
I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OPERATIONS? THAT'S, UM, WELL, I, I DID, I I, HOW MANY PEOPLE AT THIS FACILITY, HOW MANY PEOPLE WORKED WE'RE IN? YEAH, WE'RE ANTICIPATING NINE EMPLOYEES AT ONE TIME.
AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE, THEY'LL BE IN AND OUT AND UP AND DOWN ON THAT NUMBER.
'CAUSE THERE'LL STILL BE TIMES WHERE THEY'LL ONLY BE USING ONE OF THE, THE, THE DRY BELT.
I'LL CASHLESS, I ASSUME IN SOME AREAS WE DO HAVE CAP.
WE DO HAVE SOME CACHE MACHINES AT SPOTLESS RIGHT NOW.
WHERE ARE STRICTLY CASHLESS AT, AT, AT, AT FLAGSHIP.
SOME OF THE OTHER LOCATIONS, UM, IN SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS DO STILL USE, THEY CAN, YOU CAN PUT CASH IN MACHINES.
WE, WE HAVE NOTHING BEEN DOING UP HERE.
AND MOST OF THOSE EMPLOYEES, THIS NINE OR WHATEVER THEY ARE, WORK IN THE OR NOT THE DETAIL.
THERE'LL BE, THERE'LL BE SOMEBODY AT THE, AT THE, AT, YOU KNOW, GUIDING PEOPLE INTO THE, INTO THE WASH BELT.
SOMEBODY AT THE POS AND THE REST OF 'EM ARE IN THE, IN THE DRUG.
THAT PROBABLY IS AN APPROPRIATE ONE YOU WOULDN'T AGREE WITH.
BUT WORST CASE SCENARIO, HOW MANY CARS KILLED AT ONE TIME? UM, OUR TRAFFIC INSURES DONE STUDIES ON SOME OF OUR SITES DOWN IN, IN THE VIRGINIA AREA.
THE MAX WE'VE SEEN IS, I THINK 20.
I GUESS I, I SAID THE QUESTION WRONG.
WORST CASE SCENARIO THAT'S FULL.
HOW MANY CARS IS IT COMPANY? CAN YOU AC ACCOMMODATE? YEAH.
OH, DO YOU HAVE THAT NUMBER? I, I DON'T, I WOULD HOLD, GIMME, GIMME A SECOND.
BECAUSE ONLY BECAUSE I'M, I'M THINKING, WELL, IF IT IS 10 ON A SATURDAY MORNING, TED MIGHT BE PUSHING PEOPLE OUT ON THE ROAD.
IF IT IS 50, I DON'T HAVE CONCERNS OF THAT.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT NOW THAT, THAT YOU, YOUR STACKING AREA THERE.
DO WE HAVE A STACKING, DRAWING HANDY? IT, IT'S, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR STACKING, COMING TO THOSE PAY STATIONS AND INTO THE, THE WASH TUNNEL, IT'S WELL OVER 20.
AND WE NEVER GET MORE THAN 20.
THERE'LL BE, AFTER YOU GET THAT, THERE'S GONNA BE THREE, POSSIBLY FOUR ON THE WASH BELT.
UM, ABOUT SOME, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN SIX, AROUND 60% ARE EITHER LEAVING OR GOING INTO THE, INTO THE VACUUMS. THE REST OF THEM ARE LOOPING BACK TO THE, TO THE DRY BELTS.
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OF ROOM WE HAVE COMING OFF THE STREET, THIS ONE WILL NEVER, THE ONLY WAY THIS WILL BACK UP TO THE STREET.AND I'LL SAY WHAT IT WOULD BE, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT OUR REACT, WHAT WE DO TO IT WOULD BE IF THAT, IF THAT ONE OF THOSE TUNNELS STOPPED WORKING.
IF THAT HAPPENS, THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE RUNNING, THOSE ARE GOING DOWN TO THE STREET AND WE'RE WAVING PEOPLE BY, WE'RE NOT LETTING THEM COME IN BECAUSE IT MAKES NO SENSE.
'CAUSE AFTER YOU GET IN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A BYPASS LANE, WE HAVE THINGS YOU CAN DO THAT ON.
BUT WHEN IT'S STOPPED, THAT DOESN'T DO YOU ANY GOOD.
SO WE WOULD BE WAVING PEOPLE, PEOPLE BY, AND THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN.
UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A, THERE'S NOT REALLY A SITUATION FROM EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE ON OUR BUSIER SITES WHERE THIS WOULD EVER STACK BACK INTO THE DOOR, THE RIGHT TURN ONLY.
IS THAT, DOES THAT CONCERN YOU AT ALL? YEAH.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S NOT OPTIMAL.
UM, I, I'D LOVE TO HAVE LEFT IN HERE, BUT WE, WE DON'T, AND AGAIN, THE, THE, THE, THE TRAFFIC ON THIS ROAD AND THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE IN THE AREA, IT STILL JUSTIFIES IT.
I WOULD TELL YOU THERE'S SITES WE GO TO WHERE WE HAVE RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT.
BUT HERE, THERE'S ENOUGH, THERE'S ENOUGH TRAFFIC.
DO YOU THINK SENSE NOT GO IN BECAUSE THEY CAN'T MAKE A LEFT.
YOU DON'T, YOU'LL GO DOWN, THEY'LL TURN AROUND, THEY'LL COME BACK.
DO IT LATER WAY AND SAY, OKAY, I'M GONNA GO RUN MY REST OF MY YARD AND I'LL HIT A THEY GO THERE.
IT, NO, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS, EVERY TIME WE GO TO OUR REAL ESTATE COMMITTEE AND WE TALK ABOUT CAR, THE DIFFERENT SITES, WHEN IT'S A WRITE IN, WRITE OUT, THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION BECAUSE IT, IT ISN'T OPTIMAL.
BUT IT'S, AGAIN, THIS IS A, THIS IS A LOCATION THAT DOES, DOES, HAS A LOT OF GOOD TRAFFIC AND IT HAS A LOT OF, UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE, A LOT OF CARVES.
I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE, UH, TALKED ABOUT ALL THAT.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD, I THINK IT'S A GOOD PIECE OF THAT PROPERTY.
I THINK IT'S GOOD USE AND WE HAVE MORE IN THE AREA GOING AROUND.
WE, WE MAKE SURE THEY'RE SPREAD OUT.
BUT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, OUR, THAT MONTHLY, THE, THE, THE BEAUTY OF THE MONTHLY PASS IS THAT WHEN WE BUILD MORE OF THESE, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GO TO ANY FLAGSHIP AND USE YOUR MONTHLY PASS.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE, AND THERE'S GONNA COME A POINT WHERE IT'S CROSSED THE COUNTRY.
IT'S JUST THAT'S GONNA TAKE A WHILE.
PHOENIX STILL'S GONNA BE FLAGSHIP TOO.
ANY COMMENTS FROM THE, HAVE YOU DONE IT MA'AM? OR DO YOU HAVE MORE TO, OH NO, I'M DONE.
ANYBODY FROM THE, UH, PUBLIC, YOU DREW THIS YET AND YOU'RE GOOD WITH IT? NO.
WHERE'S THE GREEN SPACE?
JEN, BRIAN, ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
I, I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME.
JUST, JUST, YEAH, THAT WAS GOOD.
THAT WAS GOOD FOR ME AT LEAST.
UM, I'M GONNA CUT BRIAN OFF 'CAUSE I THINK I'M GONNA BE PRETTY FAST.
UM, THERE WERE JUST COMMENTS IN MY LETTERS THAT WERE SOME DRAFTING AND CLEANUP AND THINGS.
AND WHILE I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO ACTUALLY REVIEW THE REVISED SKETCH, A LOT OF THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ADDED ON HERE, SO I CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT IN THE FUTURE.
IF YOU, UH, TPD HAS THE PROJECT AS TT HAS, IF YOU CAN GET THAT A COPY OF THAT TO US, WE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
IT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE TOWNSHIP.
UM, BUT WE WILL SEND ANOTHER ONE.
I DIDN'T REALIZE HE WASN'T ON THAT EMAIL.
NORMALLY I DON'T FORWARD IT THIS COMMUNICATION.
HOW ABOUT THE US GUYS HERE? ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I'M JUST INTERESTED IN THE TRAFFIC SIDE OF THINGS IN PARTICULAR, BECAUSE I'M QUITE FAMILIAR WITH THAT INTERSECTION THERE AT THE WAWA.
AND EVERYTHING YOU SAID IS, IS POINTED, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT HAS THE TURN LANES, I UNDERSTAND WHY.
I'M INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT FUTURE ANALYSIS WILL BE AS THIS THING GOES FORWARD.
BUT, UH, SO WE'RE DOING A RECOMMENDATION.
UM, YEAH, THIS IS THE SAME SITUATION.
RECOMMEND APPROVAL, RECOMMEND DENIAL, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CONDITIONS, TAKE NO POSITION.
SO DOES ANYBODY WANNA MAKE THAT, UH, MAKE THAT MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE, UM, OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THE SUPERVISORS.
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AND I THINK ALL THE LETTERS HAVE ALREADY BEEN WRITTEN OR ARE WRITING THEM NOW.UM, THEY'RE INCORPORATED, BUT WE'LL INCORPORATE THOSE BY DATE.
SEE, I KNEW YOU WERE GONNA SAY THAT.
SO WHAT WE HAVE IS A MOTION TO, UH, UH, GET TENTATIVE, UH, UH, APPROVAL TO THE, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UM, WITH ALL THE LETTERS THAT YOU WILL AGREE TO.
AND, UH, KEVIN IS SECOND TO THAT.
SPEAK FOR HOW MUCH? FOR A MONTHLY MEMBERSHIP BANK.
HOW MUCH FOR THE MONTHLY MEMBERSHIP? DID YOU HEAR HIS QUESTION? YEAH.
UH, RAY, YOU GUYS KNOW YEAH, JOHN, AT LEAST I CAN TALK WHILE, YEAH, YOU BROUGHT THIS GUY HERE.
NO, I APPRECIATE YOU COMING BECAUSE YOU EXPLAINED A LOT TO ME.
SO, UM, YOU GOT MEMBERSHIP PRICING AND THEN JUST, YOU KNOW, UM, EVERY DAY PRICING.
SO AD HOC PRICING, JUST GET LIKE FIVE LEVELS OF WASHES.
SO BASIC WAS, CAN STEP TO THE MIC FOR ME.
I'M JOHN LOMBARDO AND I'M THE DEVELOPMENT MANAGER.
UH, MIDDLE WASH IS 20, THEN THE HIGHER WASH IS 25.
AND THEN YOU GOT MONTHLY MEMBERSHIPS TOO.
THEY USUALLY RUN LIKE 30, 35 AND $40 A MONTH.
SO IT'S A GOOD DEAL TO GET, UH, YOUR MONTHLY MEMBERSHIP.
SO, SO, SO THAT, THAT INCLUDES THE, UH, FULL SERVICE PIECE TOO.
IF I DO THE, THE FULL SERVICE ONE, UH, THE PRICING GOES UP A LITTLE BIT.
SO 'CAUSE LIKE $36, UM, FOR A WASH PLUS THE DETAILING ON THE INSIDE.
I'M GONNA ASK THIS FOR A FRIEND.
IF YOU HAVE MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE CARS THAT SOMEONE IN THIS ROOM MAY HAVE, UM, HOW DOES THAT WORK? HE'S A CAR COLLECT.
AND THERE'S, AND I'VE, I KNOW THERE'S CONVERSATIONS ABOUT DOING THAT RIGHT NOW.
I CAN JUST TELL YOU YOUR COMPETITION HERE IN THE AREA DOES OFFER A, UH, WHAT THEY CALL A FLEET PRICING.
I ASSUME WE DO, WE DO FLEET PRICING.
BUT WHAT, WHAT DO YOU HE DE HIS DEFINITION OF FLEET IS THREE.
I MEAN, I SOMETIMES WE TALK THE FIRST PERSON I HAVE ASKED THAT I, THAT PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.
NO, WE, WE, IT'S, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE FLEET PROGRAM IS RIGHT NOW.
I THEY DO FLEET, THEY HAVE FLEET PROGRAMS IN SPECIFIC AREAS.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ONE THAT IS SET FOR THE ENTIRE BRAND.
THAT, AND I, AND I KNOW THEY, THERE'S TALK ABOUT IT.
I JUST, I REALLY JUST DON'T KNOW.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD BUSINESS.
[DISCUSSION: FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]
SO MOVING ON WITH OUR AGENDA.UH, JEFF'S ALREADY PUT UP ON HIS SCREEN HERE 'CAUSE HE WANTS TO GO
UM, AS YOU, WE TALKED ABOUT, BOB AND I TALKED ABOUT WE GOT HERE, UH, NICK'S, UM, 15TH P IS CANCELED.
UM, SO, UM, THERE IS, THERE IS THAT OPEN SPACE REFERENDUM WORKSHOP? YEAH, THE WORKSHOP WILL BE ON THE 15TH.
UM, THAT WILL BE AT SEVEN O'CLOCK.
UM, THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON THE AGENDA.
THEY'RE STILL WORKING OUT THE AGENDA FOR THAT.
UM, I THINK I HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW TO SORT OF FINALIZE SOME OF IT FROM THE TOWNSHIP SIDE.
WHAT, WHAT'S IT, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU SAY? WORKSHOP.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WELL, NATURAL LANDS TRUST.
SO THE TOWNSHIP HIRED TO, TO START THE PROCESS OF DETERMINING IF WE WERE TO HAVE A REFERENDUM, WHAT THAT WOULD BE AND HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE FINANCIAL END OF IT, THE LOGISTIC, THE LEGAL END OF IT, ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF.
AS THE OUTSIDE COMPANY, THEY'RE, THEY ASKED TO HAVE A WORKSHOP TO BRING SPEAKERS IN.
I THINK MYSELF, TIM, THE TOWNSHIP MANAGER, ZACH AND I WILL BE PRESENT THE 15TH.
NOT SUPPORTING THOSE SPEAKERS NECESSARILY.
NOT AGAINST THOSE SPEAKERS EITHER, BUT JUST IN CASE THERE'S TECHNICAL QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ASKED, ANSWERED FROM A TOWNSHIP STANDPOINT.
MUCH LIKE HAPPENED AT THE SUPERVISOR'S
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MEETING WHERE THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT, WELL, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR THE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTIES THAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT PURCHASE OR DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS? WHAT DOES BUYING DEVELOPMENT RAISE MEAN? REALLY JUST SORT OF TECHNICAL QUESTIONS.THE, THE, THE OPEN SPACE REFERENDUM IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF MUNICIPALITIES HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND WHAT IT MEANS TO THEM.
NOW, IS THIS CHAIRED BY THE, UH, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS? NO, NO.
THIS IS, THIS IS NOT A FORMAL TOWNSHIP EVENT.
THIS IS REALLY BEING HOSTED BY NATURAL ANDRUS, RIGHT? YES.
WE OBVIOUSLY, WE, WE TALK ABOUT IT HERE.
IT'S TAKING THE PLACE OF OUR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, BUT IT IS NOT A TOWNSHIP EVENT.
AGAIN, WE'LL BE THERE TO ANSWER TECHNICAL QUESTIONS OR LEGAL QUESTIONS IF WE HAVE TO.
BUT NATURAL LAND TRUST IS REALLY RUNNING.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY THE, THE PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS HOW THEY WANT TO VOTE, RIGHT.
TO GET 'EM PREPARED TO MAKE A VOTE FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR, THIS IS AN INFORMATION YEAH.
INFORMATIONAL ISSUE SO THEY CAN MAKE A SMART VOTE.
AND THEN NOVEMBER 5TH, UH, WELL WE'RE GONNA DO, BUT WE ARE HAVING THE ENVIRONMENTAL, THE EAC C MEETING, WHICH I KNOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE OUT OF TOWN FOR IT.
THAT'S EITHER, SO OCTOBER 15TH WE WILL HAVE AN EAC C MEETING.
THAT AGENDA IS TO BE DETERMINED.
I THINK IT'LL BE FAIRLY LIGHT JUST BECAUSE WE WANT TO GIVE THE WORKSHOP TIME PEOPLE COMING IN.
SO, UM, THEN NOVEMBER 5TH WE'LL HAVE THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THAT WILL BE LOVER'S LANE.
THEY HAVE A PLAN IN SOME REVISIONS INTO US.
I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, BUT WE'LL WORK THROUGH THAT.
5 92 MENNONITE ROAD HAS ASKED TO BE ON THAT AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CONDITIONAL USE AND THE COLLEGEVILLE ROAD MULTIFAMILY HIGH REAL ESTATE AT PER KIMEL WOODS.
AGAIN, THESE PLANS ARE ONES WE'RE REVIEWING TENT LEE, JEN AND I I DISCUSSED IT.
AND THOSE ARE THE DATES WE'RE SORT OF AIMING FOR.
IF SOMETHING COMES UP IN THEIR LETTERS, THEY MAY PULL OFF THAT, THAT CAN ONLY HELPFUL FEEL, THAT'S TOO MUCH FOR, I MEAN, NINE O'CLOCK, RIGHT? YOU DON'T FEEL IT MIGHT BE TOO MUCH.
UH, I, IT'S, IT'S A DECENT AMOUNT, BUT I THINK WE CAN GET THROUGH IT GENERALLY.
I THINK, UM, IF, IF THE APPLICATIONS ARE FAIRLY CLEAN, WHICH THEY SHOULD BE AT THIS POINT, I, I THINK IT, IT SHOULD.
BUT ARE, ARE WE ANTICIPATING LOVER'S LANE, FOR INSTANCE? WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE A, A NICE CROWD.
I THINK YOU WILL HAVE SOME PEOPLE OUT.
AGAIN, WE HAVE THE RULES IN PLACE NOW, SO WE CAN MOVE IT ALONG.
I WONDER A TIMELINE FOR LOVER'S LANE FOR MENNONITE ROAD? NOT NECESSARILY IN COLLEGEVILLE ROAD.
I MEAN, IF WE HAVE TO PUSH THOSE OFF TO DECEMBER, WE CAN.
AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON HOW EXTENSIVE THEIR LETTERS ARE.
WELL, WE'LL OBVIOUSLY LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU JEFF.
YOU DECIDE IF YOU THINK THAT THIS IS GONNA CAUSE YOU KNOW, A A, YOU KNOW, LOOK LIKE THE ONE, THE FIRST ONE WE HAD, YOU KNOW, CAUSED MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCUSSION THAN YOU MIGHT HAVE THOUGHT.
SO, UM, YOU, YOU JUST TELL US IF YOU THINK THAT WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO DO LOVE'S LANE THOUGH, THAT HAS TO BE ON THERE BECAUSE OF THE TIME, BECAUSE OF THE TIMELINE.
THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT ONE.
AND I WOULD JUST ANTICIPATE WE'LL HAVE SOME PEOPLE HERE.
I WOULD, I WOULD WELL, DID WE ENTERTAIN YOU TONIGHT? YEAH.
THAT'S WHAT WE SHOOT BETTER THAN TELEVISION.
ALRIGHT, THEN I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
I MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN THIS MEETING.