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[CALL TO ORDER]
TO ORDER THIS MEETING OF THE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.PLEASE RISE AND JOIN ME IN A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[MOTION TO APPROVE BOARD AGENDA]
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA.I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
ALRIGHT, BEFORE WE JUMP INTO OUR AGENDA, I JUST WANT TO SAY A WORD OF THANK YOU WHILE EVERYBODY'S HERE.
'CAUSE I KNOW FOLKS CLEAR OUT AS THEIR ISSUE GETS HEARD.
LAST WEEK, UH, ON FRIDAY, I WAS HERE FOR THE GRADUATION FROM OUR CADET ACADEMY.
AND THAT'S A ONE WEEK PROGRAM THAT OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES DEPARTMENT AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT PUT ON.
THEY GIVE 20 KIDS A CHANCE TO, UH, GET A LITTLE TASTE OF WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE A FIRST RESPONDER IN THIS TOWNSHIP.
AND, UH, LEARN A LOT ABOUT FIRE AND POLICE OPERATIONS.
IT IS A FANTASTIC CAMP AND, UH, IF YOU HAVE A YOUNG PERSON IN YOUR FAMILY WHO'S INTERESTED, TRY TO GET 'EM INTO THAT NEXT SUMMER.
BUT ANYWAY, I JUST WANNA THANK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE EMERGENCY SERVICES.
IF YOU GOT TO SEE THERE WAS A SPOT ON, UH, CCBS THREE OUTTA PHILADELPHIA.
THEY DID A NICE, UH, TWO MINUTE PIECE ON IT.
WE'RE GONNA SHOW THAT AT THE END OF THE MEETING TONIGHT.
BUT, UH, ANYWAY, THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH.
ALRIGHT, UM, SO WE'VE APPROVED OUR AGENDA.
[PUBLIC COMMENT]
THE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.UH, I'D ASK YOU TO COME FORWARD AND, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND PLEASE TRY TO KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES AND, UH, HAVE AT IT FOLKS.
AND AT FIRST I WAS KIND OF ANNOYED, BUT THEN I THOUGHT, AND I APPRECIATED IT.
APPRECIATED IT BECAUSE I THOUGHT THESE DEER MIGHT NOT BE COMING TO MY FRONT YARD IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE OF THE REDEVELOPMENT.
AND FOR ME, THIS REDEVELOPMENT AT ONE 40 WHITAKER, UH, WILL DESTROY OUR WALKABLE, WALKABLE, WAVEABLE, BIKEABLE AND WILDLIFE FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD.
TO ME, IT'S GONNA BE WORSE THAN PARK HOUSE BECAUSE IT WILL DESTROY AN ALREADY ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD.
I WAS AT THE SUPERVISOR'S ADVISORS MEETING 40 YEARS AGO WHEN THE ORIGINAL SCHOOL WAS CONVERTED INTO THE OFFICE BUILDING AND IT WAS THEIR INTENT FOR THE BUILDING TO REMAIN AN OFFICE WITH OPEN SPACE FOR 99 YEARS.
THE NEIGHBORS BACK THEN WERE CONCERNED ABOUT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND WE'RE ASSURED THEN THAT THAT WOULD NOT HAPPEN.
BUT HERE WE ARE TODAY, DISCUSSING TOWNHOUSES TO BE PUT ON IN AT ONE 40 WHITAKER, THE VERY FEAR WE HAD ALL THOSE YEARS AGO.
NOW, AS I UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF ZONING, TO ME IT'S TO PREVENT A, UH, ANOMALIES AND TO KEEP THE CHARACTER OF A COMMUNITY.
AND THOSE PROPOSED HIGH DENSITY TOWNHOUSES ARE VERY UNLIKE THE SURROUNDING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT HAVE MATURE TREES AND YARDS AND SUBSTANTIAL DRIVEWAYS.
THERE ARE, EVEN UNLIKE THE MEADOWS CONDOMINIUMS THAT HAVE FRONT FLOWER BEDS AND INTER DISPERSED GREEN SPACES, THE PLANNED TOWNHOUSES ARE NOT LIKE ANYTHING IN MONTCLAIR.
THERE ARE 51 TOWNHOUSES BEING PLANNED FOR 2.88 ACRES.
THAT IS, I FEEL, IS JUST TOO MUCH FOR OUR AREA.
I FEEL THEY WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE DOWNTOWN PHOENIXVILLE, NOT IN OUR VILLAGE STREETS OF MONTCLAIR.
UM, WE MET WITH THE DEVELOPERS, THE, UM, HIGH TOP DEVELOPERS, AND THEY'RE FROM PHILADELPHIAS.
AND WHEN WE MET WITH THEM, THEY DID NOT HAVE ANY EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT THEY HAVE DEVELOPED OR CREATED IN THE SUBURBS.
UM, THEIR TOWNHOUSE WOULD BLEND INTO THE PHILADELPHIA STREETS THAT THEY HAVE DESIGNED THEIR HOUSES FOR.
THAT'S ALL THEY HAVE DI DESIGNED FOR SO FAR, AS FAR AS WHAT THEY SAID AT THE MEDIAN, NO.
DID I GET THAT ONE? THERE'S OTHER ONES.
AND I FEEL THEY ARE OUTTA CHARACTER FOR OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
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OOPS, IN READING THROUGH THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THERE ARE A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS.THE WORD SHALL AND SHOULD AND THESE REQUIREMENTS ARE CREATED TO MAINTAIN THE RURAL, RURAL CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND TO PRESERVE OPEN SPACE, IT REQUIRES BUFFERS THAT ARE SUBSTANTIALLY VISUALLY IMPERVIOUS.
AND I FEEL THAT THE SPECIMENS TREES IN FRONT AND ALONG THE PER PERIMETER OF ONE 40 WI WHITAKER SHOULD BE MAINTAINED FOR THIS VISUAL SEPARATION.
MR. RAKI, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT MR. CHAIRMAN.
THE, THE TIMER WAS BROKEN SO I WASN'T ABLE TO START IT.
I DON'T WANT TO THAT'S YOUR CALL, BUT I CAN I GO 30 SECONDS? OKAY.
I, WE ALSO FEEL THAT TRACK TRAFFIC AND PARKING IS GONNA BE A CONCERN.
UM, WE ALSO THINK THAT WE DO NOT WANT A LARGE PLAYGROUND THAT WOULD INVITE PEOPLE INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO INCREASE THE TRAFFIC.
AND I WAS JUST HOPING WE COULD PLAN, UH, FOR MORE THAN JUST THE MINIMUM TO HAVE MORE THAN JUST ADEQUATE PARKING AND TO HAVE MORE THAN JUST THE MINIMUM, MINIMUM LEVEL OF WASTEWATER MANAGEMENT.
AND IT, I FEEL THAT THE SUPERVISORS CAN HELP US TO KEEP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND OKAY.
I GUESS THAT'S SHORTENED DOWN.
SO IF YOU WOULD JUST HELP US SAVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WE KNOW IT WILL NEVER BE THE SAME, BUT TO KEEP IT AS MUCH AS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS WE COULD.
I'M AT 2 0 9 EGYPT ROAD AND UM, I MADE AN EMAIL INQUIRY BACK IN JUNE ABOUT, UM, CODE FOR, UM, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
AND MR. GRAY SENT ME A LINK TO, UM, SOME MATERIAL THAT I'VE, UM, REALLY GONE THROUGH EXTENSIVELY.
AND UM, I REALIZED TODAY WHEN I WAS LOOKING OVER IT AGAIN, IT IS, UM, ZONING FOR PBO PROFESSIONAL AND BUSINESS OFFICE DISTRICT.
AND I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S STILL APPLICABLE TO THE AREA THAT'S GONNA BE DEVELOPED.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE WHITAKER PROPERTY? I'M SORRY, WHI WHICH PROPERTY? THE WHITAKER.
UM, SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS, UM, THAT I WOULD, THAT WERE CONCERNING TO ME THAT, UM, WE WOULD HOPE AS A NEIGHBORHOOD WE GOT TOGETHER WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS IN A FORMAT.
AND, UM, IF THERE'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY BESIDES THREE MINUTES BEFORE A MEETING, UM, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? HOW WOULD WE ASK FOR IT? UM, ONE THING IN PARTICULAR IS IN THE CODE IT SAYS THAT NO TOWN, NO BUILDING SHOULD EXCEED 35 FEET IN HEIGHT.
AND, UH, THE DEVELOPERS PROPOSED ONCE 45 FEET AND ANOTHER TIME 40 FEET.
SO, UM, CERTAIN LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO US WHERE WE FEEL LIKE WE STILL MIGHT HAVE SOME INFLUENCE OVER, UM, WHAT IS CURRENTLY CODED WITH.
AND, AND HOPEFULLY AS CYNTHIA SAID, UM, RETAIN THE, THE FEEL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
HOW WOULD I FIND OUT ABOUT OPPORTUNITIES TO, UM, EXPAND ON SOME OF THESE POINTS IN THE CODE? I THINK THE DEVELOPER HAS HAD A MEETING WITH THE RESIDENTS ALREADY.
WERE YOU IN ATTENDANCE? I WAS THERE.
UM, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY, UM, CONTACT, WE SENT THEM OUR, UH, EMAILS AND PHONE NUMBERS, BUT I THINK THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE SUPERVISORS WOULD BE ADDRESSING IF IT'S IN CODE.
IF WE WERE ASKING YOU TO HOLD THAT ACCOUNTABLE, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THEIR PLAN DOES NOT MEET OUR CODE? THEY'VE ON TWO OCCASIONS REPORTED 45 FEET AND 40 FEET IN HEIGHT AND THE CODE IS 35.
THEY'RE GONNA PRESENT THEIR CLAIM TO MY BILL.
THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT RIGHT NOW.
BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, DISCUSS CERTAIN THINGS IN THE CODE IF THEY'RE ASKING FOR VARIANCE OR ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT LOOK LIKE YOU'RE GETTING AN ATTORNEY OPPOSING THIS, YOU TURN YOUR MIC ON.
THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE YOU GETTING AN ATTORNEY AND OPPOSING THIS ON'S GROUNDS.
WE HAVE A SOLICITOR AND WE HAVE AN ENGINEER.
THEY REVIEW THE PLANS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE WITHIN OUR, OUR CODE.
BUT IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO KEEP IT COMMUNITY BASED? I MEAN, WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN GETTING A LAWYER.
WE WANNA COLLABORATE AT THIS POINT WENT
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FORWARD.WE GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND YOU HAVE, UM, YOU'RE ABLE TO, YOU WOULD CONTACT THE PLANNING BOARD.
I'M NOT SURE HOW I DON'T YEAH, THERE'S THREE STAGES.
THERE'S TENTATIVE, THERE'S UM, ALL THE WAY UP TO FINAL PRELIMINARIES IN THE MIDDLE.
TENTATIVE IS NOTHING MORE THAN, HEY, THIS IS A SKETCH.
AND, AND, AND THEN EVERYTHING GOES THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO WHEN, THAT'S WHERE RESIDENTS CAN ATTEND.
AND JUST AS A REMINDER FOR EVERYBODY, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, KEEP ME STRAIGHT.
UM, THAT'S YOUR PLACE WHERE YOU CAN GO AND TALK TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND, AND TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT.
OF COURSE YOU CAN ALWAYS COME HERE AND DO IT TOO.
SO WE NEED TO CONTACT THE BOARD WHAT YOU'RE DOING NOW.
BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS REALLY WHERE YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, THE NEGOTIATIONS START AND KIND OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE THERE, HEARING THE RESIDENCE, ET CETERA.
ARE WE ALLOWED TO CONTACT THEM, UM, INDIVIDUALLY OR, WELL, THERE'RE, UH, THERE'S ALWAYS A SCHEDULE.
I THINK JUST ABOUT THE YEAH, I MEAN WE HAVE ONE COMING UP ON WEDNESDAY.
UM, IF YOU WANT TO PUT THIS IN A LETTER FORM YES.
UM, I DON'T REMEMBER YOUR EMAIL, BUT I GOT A TON OF THEM, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
UM, IF YOU WANNA PUT IT IN AN EMAIL TO ME, I ALWAYS MAKE SURE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION GETS IT.
AND THEN THEY WILL GET A COPY OF IT.
WE DON'T, THE BOARD HAS TOWNSHIP EMAIL ADDRESSES, SO THOSE ARE PUBLIC.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOESN'T HAVE TOWNSHIP EMAIL ADDRESSES, SO WE DON'T MAKE THEIR PRIVATE EMAIL ADDRESSES PUBLIC.
UM, YOU CAN CERTAINLY COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON WEDNESDAY AND THERE'S A, A COMMENT PERIOD LIKE THIS FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS. RIGHT.
UM, AND THERE'S ALSO, YOU CAN PUT IT IN A LETTER TO ME AND I WILL MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET IT AND THEY REVIEW IT AND, AND WELL I CAN'T ASSUME THEY REVIEW IT, BUT I WILL GET IT TO THEM AND HOPEFULLY THEY READ IT.
AND SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY.
THERE'S A IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY BEYOND HOPEFUL? WELL, I CAN'T FORCE SOMEONE TO READ SOMETHING, BUT I GET IT TO THEM.
THEY SAY THEY READ IT, I'M ASSUMING THEY READ IT AND RETAINED IT.
JUST LIKE WITH ANYTHING I DISTRIBUTE IT'S OKAY.
THANK YOU FOR THEM TO LOOK AT.
I LIVE AT 2 2 8 NORWOOD STREET IN MONTCLAIR.
MY PROPERTY BORDERS THIS DEVELOPMENT ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.
YOU'LL HEAR OUR CONCERNS TONIGHT ABOUT GROUNDWATER RUNOFF AND TRAFFIC DANGERS, LOSS OF SPECIMEN TREES OPENING UP PUBLIC PLAYGROUND.
I WANNA REMIND YOU OF THE HISTORY AND THE HERITAGE OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S ONE OF THE ORIGINAL NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE VILLAGE OF MONTCLAIR.
BUILT UP AROUND ITS PUBLIC SCHOOL DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SIZE WILL DESTROY THE CHARACTER AND THE ESSENCE OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SAFETY OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE ONLY REASON THAT THESE BUILDERS FEEL THEY CAN PUT UP 50 TOWNHOMES ON TWO PLUS ACRES OF LAND IS BECAUSE THEY WANT YOU TO ALLOW THEM TO LIQUEFY THE OPEN SPACE IN THE ORIGINAL LEASE SO THAT THEY CAN BUILD INTO THE OPEN SPACE, BUT COUNT THE LAWN BEHIND THE BUILDINGS AS PART OF THE OPEN SPACE ACREAGE.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE ORIGINAL LEASE INCLUDED.
WE ARE ASKING YOU TO UPHOLD THE ORIGINAL LEASE, LESSEN THE NUMBER OF UNITS IN THE DEVELOPMENT.
'CAUSE WE HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THEY WILL FILL IT.
BUT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO LESSEN THE NUMBER OF UNITS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S EXCESSIVE AND IT WILL DESTROY THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I LIVE WITH 1 44 WALNUT STREET DOWN
UM, I WAS WONDERING IF THERE IS A RESTRICTION ON THAT PROPERTY FOR NOT BEING DEVELOPED FOR 99 YEARS? I BELIEVE BOB KUSHNER, UH, PUT THAT INTO EFFECT DURING THE SALE.
AND IS THAT 99 YEAR RESTRICTION ON THAT PROPERTY'S STILL VALID.
I WOULD DEFER TO ZACH ON THE LEASE.
SO BACK WHEN THE BUILDING WAS CONVERTED INTO OFFICE USE, THERE WAS A LEASE DOCUMENT THAT
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WAS EXECUTED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WERE MOVING INTO THE PROPERTY.THAT WAS BACK IN THE EIGHTIES.
THE LEASE ESTABLISHED THAT THERE WAS AN OPEN SPACE AREA OF 3.5 ACRES, GIVE OR TAKE.
AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO A QUARTER ACRE THAT WAS DESIGNATED AS A PLAY AREA.
SO THE LEASE ALSO INCLUDED A PROVISION THAT SAID THAT THAT OPEN SPACE AREA, THAT IT CREATED A PREMISES A AND A PREMISES B, THERE'S A PLAY AREA AND THERE'S THE LARGER OPEN SPACE AREA.
THE LEASE SAID THAT THE, THE, THE TOWNSHIP IS ENTITLED TO A 99 YEAR LEASE OF THE PLAY AREA.
AND THAT IS AT ITS DISCRETION.
IT CAN'T BE BROKEN UNLESS THE TOWNSHIP AGREES TO IT.
THAT'S JUST THE 0.25 ACRE PORTION.
THE OTHER 3.5, 3.6 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE INCLUDES A PROVISION THAT SAYS THAT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS PERMITTED TO UNILATERALLY TERMINATE THE OPEN SPACE AREA IF THEY WANT TO INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS USE ON THE PROPERTY.
MEANING IF THEY WANT TO INCREASE THE OFFICE SPACE, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO TERMINATE THE 99 YEAR LEASE AND THEY CAN EXPAND THE PARKING AREA, THEY CAN EXPAND THE, THE BUILDING.
THEY CAN DO ALL OF THAT INTO THAT AREA OF THE PROPERTY.
AND ESSENTIALLY THAT OPEN SPACE AREA IS EXTINGUISHED.
AND THEN THE TOWNSHIP WOULD BE LEFT WITH THE 0.25 ACRE AREA.
THAT'S THE DESIGNATED PLAY AREA UNDER THE LEASE.
SO THAT, THAT 2.5 0.25 ACRES IS THE ONLY PORTION OF THE LEASE THAT IS NON-DURABLE FOR 99 YEARS PLUS ANOTHER 99 YEAR TERM AFTER THAT.
SO BEYOND THAT, THERE IS THE ABILITY TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY ABOVE AND BEYOND.
WHAT IS THERE NOW? IS THAT TO BE DEVELOPED AS A TOWNHOUSE OR AS A BUSINESS PARK? THE LEASE SAYS THAT IT CAN ONLY BE DEVELOPED AS A PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS USE UNDER THE LEASE.
HI, MY NAME IS DIANE CANNY OF ONE 18 NORWOOD STREET IN MONTCLAIR.
I'VE BEEN THERE FOR OVER 40 YEARS.
IT IS A SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD WITH VERY SMALL ROADS.
WE ALREADY HAVE AN APARTMENT BUILDING THAT PARKS ON NORWOOD AND WHITAKER.
WE ALSO HAVE A DELI, WHICH I LOVE AND USE ALL THE TIME, BUT SOMETIMES WE HAVE PARKING ON OUR STREET TOO.
I DON'T KNOW, WITH ALL THESE TOWN HOMES WHERE, WHERE WHERE'S EVERYONE GONNA PARK? YOU KNOW, THE ROAD, OUR ROADS CAN'T HANDLE IT.
WE CAN'T EVEN GET OUT ON 29 TO GO LEFT OR RIGHT.
YOU, YOU TAKE YOUR LIFE IN YOUR HANDS AT TIMES JUST TO GET OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND GOING AROUND UP TO WHITAKER AND EGYPT IS NO BETTER EITHER.
I MEAN, THE TRAFFIC'S A MESS, ESPECIALLY DOWN NEAR PRODUCE JUNCTION.
I MEAN, PLEASE RECONSIDER A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE THINKING BECAUSE OUR, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CAN'T HANDLE IT.
IT CANNOT HANDLE THAT TRAFFIC.
AND YOU KNOW, WE REALLY APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING INTO CERTAIN THINGS BECAUSE IT WILL DISTURB WHAT WE HAVE.
WE HAVE A GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAVE GOOD PEOPLE THERE AND, AND LIKE, NOT, NOT JUST GOOD, BUT I MEAN THAT SUPPORT THE DELI THAT SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, PRODUCE JUNCTION OR LOCK 29, YOU CAN'T EVEN GET THERE IF YOU WANT TO.
SO PLEASE RECONSIDER A LOT OF WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT IS.
I'M NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT OR EVEN HOUSES, BUT IT'S RIDICULOUS WHAT'S BEING PLANNED FOR THAT LITTLE AREA AND WHAT THE TRAFFIC AND, AND EVEN FLOODING.
I MEAN, I I'VE BEEN FLOODED SINCE EVERYONE'S BEEN REDEVELOPING THE AREA.
IT DOES FLOW DOWN PAST US TO, TO ROUTE 29.
SO PLEASE REALLY LOOK INTO WHAT IS GOING ON.
STEVEN WAGNER, TWO 14 NORWOOD STREET.
MY PROPERTY IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE OFFICE BUILDING RIGHT NOW.
UM, UH, I UNDERSTAND, UH, FROM MR. SILVER SILVERSON.
THAT, THAT IT'S, IT'S ZONED TO BE OR THE, THE A HUNDRED YEAR LEASE SAYS FOR OFFICE OR A BUSINESS EXPANSION.
IS THAT CORRECT? IS IS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY CONSIDERED A BUSINESS
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ADVANCEMENT? NO.HOW IS THE PROPERTY ZONE CURRENTLY? IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED PBO.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THE PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS OFFICE DISTRICT.
SO IT'S NOT ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
RESIDENTIAL USES ARE PERMITTED IN THE PBO.
BUT IT CURRENTLY, IT'S NOT ZONED RESIDENTIAL.
CORRECT? IT IS ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL.
OH, YOU JUST SAID IT WAS ZONED FOR BUSINESS UNDER THE PBO DISTRICT, YOU'RE PERMITTED RESIDENTIAL USES.
SO MY PROPERTY, WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT TO THAT PROPERTY, I CAN, I CAN BUILD A WAREHOUSE THERE IF I WANT TO.
SO IT'S OWNED COMMERCIAL, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW THE ZONING OF YOUR PROPERTY, I DUNNO.
WELL, IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE OTHER PROPERTY DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT'S OWN SINK.
SO, UH, I I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU PEOPLE CONSIDER THIS.
YOU KNOW, THAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, MONTCLAIR IS VERY SPECIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE JOKE IS YOU HAVE TO BE VOTED IN TO LIVE IN MONTCLAIR.
RIGHT? SO PUTTING, PUTTING THIS DEVELOPMENT IN THERE WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED THERE THEIR ENTIRE LIVES, BETSY'S HUSBAND WENT TO SCHOOL IN THE MIDDLE SCHOOL RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS THIS, THIS TOWN.
AND, AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE DEVELOPMENTS OF THE COMMUNITY, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB TO THIS POINT AND I HOPE YOU CONTINUE TO DO A GREAT JOB IN THE FUTURE.
SERIOUSLY CONSIDER WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE
UM, PRIMARILY CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC, UM, IN THIS AREA THAT'S REALLY ALREADY CONGESTED.
I HAVE TROUBLE GETTING OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY EVERY DAY AND ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF ROAD CLOSURE THAT TRAFFIC GETS BACKED UP WAY BEYOND MY HOUSE.
UM, THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.
THERE'S NO BIKE LANES IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AND YOU'RE INCREASING THE TRAFFIC.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU'LL, I MEAN, THE PLAN WILL GET REVIEWED, BUT THERE'S REALLY NOT VERY MUCH TRAFFIC, UH, PARKING FOR PUBLIC USE IF THIS IS GOING TO BE A PUBLIC SPACE THAT IS AVAILABLE.
UM, AND I ALSO, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S ALSO THE INCOMING QUEST REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT, WHICH IS ALSO BY THE SAME DEVELOPER, AND THAT'S JUST GOING TO INCREASE EVEN MORE TRAFFIC AT 29 IN EGYPT ROAD, WHICH IS GONNA MAKE THIS EVEN WORSE.
UM, I AM IN SUPPORT OF RETAINING THE OPEN SPACE AND DO, UH, THINK THAT THAT IS A GREAT USE OF THE LAND TO CONTINUE.
BUT UM, AGAIN, THE PARKING DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING FOR THE SIZE OF THE SPACE.
AND AGAIN, THERE IS NO SIDEWALKS.
AND SO THERE THAT CONTINUES TO BE AN ISSUE THERE.
ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK THIS EVENING DURING PUBLIC COMMENTS? GOOD EVENING.
WAY, MARTIN 180 JACOB STREET, MONTCLAIR.
UH, I GREW UP ON ONE 20 GRACE STREET RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM THE PROPERTY, SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AND UH, UNFORTUNATELY I CAME IN LATE TONIGHT AND I'M NOT VERY RAMPED UP ON THIS ISSUE.
WHAT I'D JUST LIKE TO DRAW ATTENTION TO IS TO, FOR THE SUPERVISORS TO CONSIDER THE SPIRIT OF WHAT I BELIEVE BOB KIRSCHNER, WHO WAS A RESIDENT OF WHITAKER AVENUE AND ONE OF YOUR PREDECESSORS AS A TOWNSHIP SUPERVISOR.
HIS INTENT WHEN THE SCHOOL SOLD AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, WAS THAT THE PROPERTY NOT BE TURNED INTO A DEVELOPMENT AT THAT TIME.
THAT WAS THE SPIRIT, AS I UNDERSTAND, OF THE 99 YEAR PIECE.
I DID NOT HAVE TIME TO REREAD IT.
I BECOME AWARE OF THIS MEETING AS OF YESTERDAY, SO I WAS, IF I'M COMPLETELY WRONG, I PLEASE ACCEPT MY APOLOGY.
BUT I JUST ASK YOU TO CONSIDER WHAT THE SPIRIT OF THAT GESTURE THAT YOUR PREDECESSORS MADE DURING THE SALE OF THIS PROPERTY.
THE MONTCLAIR SCHOOL THAT I WENT TO SCHOOL AT AND HIS KIDS WENT TO SCHOOL AT BACK
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IN, I'M GONNA SAY LATE EIGHTIES, EARLY NINETIES.IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING.
AND I COULD BE WRONG, LIKE I SAID, BUT JUST PLEASE CONSIDER THAT.
I LIVE AT 1 49 WOODCRAFT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN AT.
AND I'M NEW TO ALL OF THIS TOWNHOUSE STUFF, BUT I THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT NOBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS THIS TO HAPPEN.
AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT EVERYBODY'S JOB UP HERE IS, BUT I THOUGHT IT'S TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE WANTS AND THE NEEDS OF THE MANY SEEMED TO BE OUTWEIGHED BY THE ONCE OF THE FEW.
AND I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IF YOU GUYS KIND OF BACKED UP THE PEOPLE OF THIS COMMUNITY, BECAUSE AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR JOB IS, BUT I REALLY THOUGHT THAT WAS IT.
DO YOU OWN THE LAND THAT'S IN QUESTION? YES.
THE, THE LAND THAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED.
SOMEONE OWNS THE LAND AND YOU HAVE RIGHTS TO YOUR PROPERTY IN YOUR HOME, RIGHT? YES.
THEY HAVE RIGHTS TO THEIR PROPERTY TOO.
ARE THEY GONNA LIVE AND DEAL WITH THE MESS THAT IT CREATES? OKAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
I LIVE AT 1 0 4 GRACE STREET WITH MY HUSBAND.
UM, FIVE YEARS AGO, MY HUSBAND AND I DECIDED TO MOVE OUR FAMILY ACROSS THE RIVER FROM PHOENIXVILLE TO ESCAPE THE HIGH DENSITY HOUSING TRAFFIC AND OVERPOPULATION THAT WE EXPERIENCED IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE GREW UP IN.
WE'RE HOPING TO RAISE OUR CHILDREN IN, WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, LOVE THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THE FACT THAT IT'S TUCKED AWAY AND QUIET.
THERE'S NOT TRAFFIC ALL THROUGHOUT THE STREETS.
YOU CAN SAFELY WALK THROUGH THE STREETS.
THERE'S WILDLY AND DEER COME INTO THE YARD.
UM, YOU'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC AND CONGESTION.
I CANNOT EVEN EXPRESS TO YOU HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO LEAVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE TO TURN FROM GRACE STREET, EITHER LEFT OR RIGHT ONTO ROUTE 29.
THERE ARE ACCIDENTS AT LEAST WEEKLY AT THAT INTERSECTION.
IF YOU TRY TO TURN OFF NORWOOD, YOU'RE TAKING YOUR LIFE INTO YOUR HANDS.
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO TURN LEFT OR RIGHT UNLESS TWO PEOPLE STOP AND LET YOU PASS, GO UP TO THE LIGHT AT EGYPT ROAD.
IT CAN TAKE YOU UP TO 10 MINUTES TO TURN LEFT ONTO EGYPT ROAD.
I SIT THROUGH THREE LIGHTS TYPICALLY IN THE MORNING JUST TO MAKE MY WAY DOWN 29 AND GET OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AS PARENTS OF YOUNG DRIVERS, I HOLD MY BREATH UNTIL I KNOW THAT OUR CHILDREN HAVE SAFELY GENERAL, EITHER EGYPT ROAD OR ROUTE 29.
I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE THE INCREASED TRAFFIC THAT 51 TOWNHOUSES WOULD BRING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT WOULD ENTIRELY CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE WERE SO FORTUNATE TO MOVE INTO FIVE YEARS AGO.
AND I REALLY JUST HOPE THAT AS OUR REPRESENTATIVES YOU TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE AGAINST DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE AND GOOD STEWARDS OF THE LAND AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THOSE THAT LIVE THERE WHEN WE MAKE THESE DECISIONS.
I LIVE AT TWO 16 WHITAKER AVENUE, JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM THE, UH, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
IT IS A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, ALLOWING THIS DEVELOPMENT AS IT STANDS NOW WOULD DESTROY THE CHARACTER OF MONTCLAIR.
NOW, I DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY AT ONE 40 WHITAKER, NO ONE ELSE IN HERE IN THE AUDIENCE, I BELIEVE OWNS IT AS WELL.
THEY DO HAVE A RIGHT TO DEVELOP THAT AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF US HERE ARE AGAINST DEVELOPING IT SENSIBLY, BUT ADDING 51 RESIDENCES TO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS ALREADY, UH, GRIDLOCKED BY TRAFFIC.
WHAT EVERYONE HAS SAID TODAY BRINGS TRUE.
AND I'VE ESPECIALLY NOTICED THAT OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS, YOU CANNOT GET FROM GRACE ONTO 29.
YOU CAN NOT GET FROM NORWOOD ONTO 29 AND GOING UP ALL THE WAY TO EGYPT IS VERY DIFFICULT.
NOW YOU'RE GONNA ADD ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC INTO THAT.
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AND SPEED UP WHAT OCCUR ANYWAY TO TRY TO AVOID THAT TRAFFIC LANE IN EGYPT THAT'S GONNA MAKE THIS WORSE.SO WHILE I'M NOT AGAINST DEVELOPING THIS SENSIBLY, THE DENSITY THAT IS PROPOSED IS RIS.
I'M, UH, 1 0 2 SECOND AVENUE IN MONTCLAIR.
UH, AND UP UNTIL FRIDAY I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS.
AND THE THING THAT JUMPED OUT TO ME ABOUT THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS THAT EVERY EVERY OTHER COMPARABLE TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA, UH, IS ISS OWN SEPARATE COMMUNITY IS NOT INTERMIXED UNLESS IT'S ALONG.
MAIN INTERSECTION HAS ITS OWN ACCESS ROAD AND, UH, ALL OF 'EM ARE, UH, ENCASED IN, IN GREEN BELT.
SO FROM, YOU CAN SEE IT WELL FROM THE OVERHEAD, BUT DURING THE GROUND LEVEL, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE WHERE THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE.
SO THE AESTHETIC, UH, THERE ARE EFFORTS OBVIOUS TO, TO MAKE THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS AESTHETICALLY MATCH THE SURROUNDINGS.
UH, THEY'RE SPREAD OUT DISSIPATE TRAFFIC AND UH, VIRTUALLY NONE OF THEM ARE, UH, IMPLANTED INTO AN EXISTING, UH, COMMUNITY THAT I NOTICED.
THE SECOND ISSUE I HAVE IS THE, UH, MY FIRST CHILD IS STARTING SCHOOL THIS FALL IN KINDERGARTEN WITH THE SPRING FORWARD SCHOOL DISTRICT.
AND ON THE 20TH THEY'RE HAVING A BOARD OF EDUCATION MEETING WITH ONE OF THE PRIMARY CONCERNS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS OVERCROWDING.
AND THE POSSIBILITY THAT BECAUSE OF OVERCROWDING, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO CONSIDER REDISTRICTING, UH, VARIOUS SCHOOL DISTRICTS TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, ALL THE, ALL THE, UH, NEW STUDENTS COME INTO THE SYSTEM.
AND I INVITED OF THAT AND THE, UH, GEOGRAPHY OF THE DEVELOPMENT SITE AND THE, UH, UH, EXPLOSIVE IMPACT IT'LL HAVE WITH, UH, NEW STUDENTS, UH, ON THE AND AND TO WHAT DEGREE THE CONSIDERATION HAS BEEN GIVEN TO, UH, THE INVOLVED SCHOOL DISTRICTS AS TO WHETHER THEY'RE PREPARED TO HANDLE THAT.
VICTORIA SCHWARTZ, 2 48 BAXTER DRIVE.
UM, I'M A LONG TIME MONTCLAIR RESIDENT, BORN AND RAISED.
AND I ALSO WENT TO THAT SCHOOL, MONTCLAIR SCHOOL, WHICH IS 1936.
THAT BUILDING WAS ESTABLISHED.
MONTCLAIR ITSELF IS OVERCROWDED.
THEY'RE PUTTING A NEW GAS LINE IN.
I CAN'T EVEN GET OUT OF MY DEVELOPMENT.
IT TAKES ME 15 TO 25 MINUTES JUST TO GET OUTTA MY DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS TAKING A BUILDING THAT'S BEEN AROUND SINCE 1936.
I UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DEVELOP IT, BUT AT THE SAME POINT IN TIME, WE HAVE A RIGHT AS PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE TO LOOK AT A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS.
I DON'T CARE WHAT ENGINEERING COMES UP WITH.
THEY BUILT A NEW, UM, FACILITY AND IT ACTUALLY FLOODS SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE OFF THE SECOND AVENUE.
SOME OF THEIR PROPERTY IS BEING FLOODED, BUT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE NEW ENGINEERING.
I DON'T CARE WHAT THE HELL THEY SAY.
RESPECTFULLY LOWER MONTCLAIR'S FLOODING.
WHY? BECAUSE THE LAND IS IMPERVIOUS.
LET'S START LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE.
MAYBE WE CAN BUILD SOME THINGS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? AND SOME PEOPLE HERE LIVE IN MONTCLAIR IN TERMS OF THE O OR THE MEADOWS.
HOW THE HELL ARE THEY GETTING OUTTA THAT DRIVEWAY SAFELY? THERE'S ONLY TWO WAYS TO GET IN AND OUT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW, RIGHT WHERE THE SCHOOL IS ONE WAY IN RIGHT NEAR THE NEST OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED NOW THE MONTCLAIR MARKET AND ONE WAY UP ON EGYPT ROAD.
EGYPT ROAD IS ALREADY COMPACTED.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT A MOTHER AND A FATHER.
WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY HAVE KIDS? THAT'S POTENTIAL FOUR CARS, FOUR, MAYBE FIVE.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SCHOOLS.
WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEN PART OF SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY IS ALSO THE FLOODING OF LOWER MONTCLAIR, LOWER PORT PROVIDENCE.
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THE WATER IS GOING TO GO DOWN AND IT'S ALSO GONNA AFFECT A LOT OF THESE OTHER PEOPLE'S HOMES.WHAT RIGHT DOES ANYBODY HAVE, INCLUDING A BUILDER.
WHAT RIGHT DOES THE BUILDER HAVE TO NOT TAKE CARE OF THESE PEOPLE'S HOMES? OH, WELL THE ENGINEERING IS GONNA BE FINE.
WHAT HAPPENS DOWN THE ROAD, 5, 10, 15 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD? THESE PEOPLE STILL IN THEIR HOMES, BUT YET NOW THEIR HOMES ARE BEING AFFECTED.
WHO'S PAYING FOR THAT? AGAIN, THE PROBLEM IN THIS TOWNSHIP IS THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO BUILD RESPONSIBLY.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS ANYBODY'S SPECIFIC FAULT, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS ENGINEERING FAILS BECAUSE COMMON SENSE FAILS.
OH, THIS PROGRAM TOLD ME THIS TECHNOLOGY ISN'T THE BEST.
WE NEED TO START USING OUR HEADS AND UNDERSTAND HOW TO BUILD PROPERLY INSTEAD OF JUST GREED.
HOW MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS DOES THAT EQUATE TO FOR THE BUILDER? THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
NO BETTER WORDS COULD BE SAID.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD? HELLO EVERYONE.
I AGREE WITH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE PEOPLE.
I CAN ONLY WORRY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE.
HOW MANY MORE TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENTS WILL GROW ON 29 DOWN THE STREET ON EGYPT ROAD THAT WILL AFFECT US.
WE HAVE ROAD WORK DONE CONSTANTLY.
WE HAVE BRIDGES DOWN CONSTANTLY.
WE HAVE CLOG HERE, THERE EVERYWHERE.
WE HAVE TO PUT GATES IN OUR DRIVEWAY TO STOP PEOPLE FROM PULLING IN AND TURNING AROUND IN OUR HOUSE.
WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET OUT.
WE CAN'T EVEN MAKE DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC GOING INTO THE HOSPITAL WON'T ALLOW US TO DO SO.
WHAT IS THE PROMISE THAT WE GET TODAY? THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD ANOTHER TWO OR 300 TOWNHOUSES SOMEPLACE ELSE THAT'S GONNA AFFECT US.
HOW DO WE GET THE POLICE, THE FIRE AND THE AMBULANCE TO OUR HOUSES WHEN THERE'S A CLOCK? IF YOU DON'T GO DOWN POLLINGS, YOU HAVE TO GO OVER THE MONTCLAIR BRIDGE.
DOES ANYBODY EVER FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GO FROM ONE SIDE OF, OF UPPER PROVIDENCE TO PHOENIXVILLE? 'CAUSE THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
EVERYBODY IS IN THAT AREA RIGHT THERE ON 29.
YOU CAN'T ALLOW THAT TO KEEP BEING USED.
THAT BRIDGE IS GONNA HAVE TO EITHER ONE DAY BE WIDENED OR REPLACED.
THEN WHAT HAPPENS? I'M CONCERNED FOR OUR SAFETY.
I'M CONCERNED FOR OUR FUTURE, OUR CHILDREN.
AND IF YOU WANNA BUILD A PARK AND YOU'RE GONNA MAKE IT PRIVATE, WHERE ARE THOSE CARS SUPPOSED TO PARK? 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE PARKING ON THE SHOULDER OF THE ROAD ON EGYPT ROAD.
AND I LIVE ON THE END WHERE THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS AND THESE AMAZON TRUCKS AND GOD ONLY KNOWS WHERE.
WHERE'S ALL THIS GONNA GO? NOT TO MENTION ALL THE DRINKING THAT'S GONNA BE DONE IN PHOENIXVILLE.
SERIOUSLY, CAN YOU PROMISE US ANOTHER ROAD INTO PHOENIXVILLE OR CAN YOU PROMISE US THAT THE THESE DEVELOPMENTS WILL BE MONITORED? YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
IT'S JUST NOT SAFE AND IT'S GONNA BE MADE EVEN MORE UNSAFE.
IT'S NOT NERVE WRACKING AT ALL.
MY WIFE AND I LIVE AT 1 33 JACOBS STREET AND WE OWN THE MONTCLAIR DELI AT 500 BRIDGE STREET.
UM, OUR BIGGEST CONCERN IS, UH, TRAFFIC, UH, WITH EVERYBODY ELSE.
UM, THE SAFETY THAT WE ARE GONNA CONTINUE TO EXPAND AND CONTINUE TO BUILD.
BUT WE DON'T EVEN HAVE SIDEWALKS, CROSSWALKS.
UM, MY WIFE HAS SUBMITTED, I THINK THREE PEOPLE HAVE REQUESTED, UH, CAMERA FOOTAGE FROM OUR DELI FACING OUT INTO THE STREET.
THE FACES IS OUT THERE AND JUST PEOPLE GETTING HIT AND RUN OUT THERE.
THERE'S BEEN THREE IN THE PAST, LIKE MAYBE ONCE A MONTH.
UM, SO OUR CONCERN IS SAFETY AND WE'RE GONNA JUST CONTINUE TO KEEP BUILDING WITHOUT,
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YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, SIDEWALKS, CROSSWALKS.UM, IT'S LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE SAID.
IT'S INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO EVEN GET OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD INTO TRAFFIC AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
UM, AND WE'RE JUST, WE'RE HONESTLY TERRIFIED OF WITNESSING SOMETHING HORRIBLE ON UH, BRIDGE STREET RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF OUR BUSINESS.
SO, UM, WE JUST WANT THAT TO BE THOUGHT ABOUT.
WE HOPE THAT THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING HERE ARE BEING CONSIDERED AS WELL AS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MAKING MONEY FROM THIS.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT? GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.
EVERYBODY GOOD? TONIGHT I'M GONNA CHANGE THE SUBJECT TO JUST A LITTLE BIT FROM MONTCLAIR.
UM, I HAVE A GRAVES CONCERN ABOUT SCOOT THESE ELECTRIC SCOOTERS AND I'VE WITNESSED MORE THAN ONE KID IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD AND SOMEBODY'S GONNA GET KILLED HERE AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PRETTY.
SO I KNOW THIS IS ON THE DOCKET FOR, I THINK YOU HAVE, UH, OTHER STUFF GOING ON WITH THE ELECTRIC SCOOTERS AND WHATNOT.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF ORDINANCE CAN BE PUT IN PLACE, BUT I AM GOING TO SAY I'M PUTTING THIS ON PARENTS.
THE PARENTS ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH.
THE SCOOTERS ARE NOT ALLOWED ON THE ROAD TO START WITH.
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
SO, UH, THAT'S A MAJOR CONCERN OF MINE.
UH, NOW MOVE ON TO SOMETHING ELSE, TO THE REDEVELOPMENT HERE AT THE CORNER.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT, BUT I DO HAVE ONE MAJOR QUESTION, WHICH I DO WANT THE SUPERVISORS TO CONSIDER TO THE DEVELOPERS.
WHERE ARE THE SCHOOL BUSES GOING? UNSTOP, BECAUSE YOU HAVE 29 AND YOU HAVE BLACKROCK.
THEY'RE BOTH BUSY ROADS AND ACCORDING FROM WHAT I KNOW OF THE BUS COMPANY, THEY DO NOT GO INTO DEVELOPMENTS.
SO THAT'S JUST ANOTHER CONCERN OF MINE.
OKAY EVERYBODY, THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT.
YOU COULD EXPRESS YOURSELVES HERE.
AND WHEN I HERE THE LAST MEETING, THE MORNING GENTLEMAN SAID, DAN HARKINS FROM THE MEADOWS.
YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST BE QUIET ABOUT TRAFFIC.
WE HAVE IT UNDER CONTROL, BUT THEY DON'T LIVE THERE.
THE GENTLEMAN WHO STOOD UP HERE AND SAID THAT HE'S NOT HERE TODAY, BUT THAT'S HORRIBLE.
THE TRAFFIC IS NOT JUST SOMETHING TO LOOK LEFT AND RIGHT AND OH, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 51 HOMES WITH POSSIBILITY OF THREE TO FOUR CARS IN A COMMUNITY OF 50.
ONE IN THAT AREA IS NOT GONNA MAKE IT.
YOU'VE GOT SCHOOL BUSES THAT'LL BE GOING FOUR TIMES A DAY.
YOU'LL BE GOING WITH PARENTS AND FAMILY MEMBERS GOING FOUR TIMES A DAY TO AND FROM WORK AND BACK AND FORTH TO AND FROM GROCERIES AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
TRAFFIC IS A VERY MAJOR IMPORTANT THING GOING ON.
AND THEN THE BOSS, EXCUSE ME, TO HAVE THE AUDACITY OF GOING TO TEAR DOWN THAT MONTCLAIR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TO BUILD THESE OVERPOPULATED AREA OF 51 HOMES.
WE COULD FIND SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE IMPORTANT TO DO WITH THAT MONTCLAIR SCHOOL ELEMENTARY.
THE BUSINESS IS GOING SLOW AWAY BECAUSE RENT'S TOO HIGH FOR THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO THEY'RE MOVING AWAY AND DUE TO COVID, WE LOST A LOT OF THAT TOO.
BUT SOMETHING'S GOING WRONG WHEN YOU START, SOMEBODY'S ALREADY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY AND THE PLAN HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE.
IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I BET YOU ALL 50 CENTS THE DAMN PROPERTY SOLD AND THEY'RE READY TO GET BUILD IT UP.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.
WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IS THE MONEY.
IT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING DONALD TRUMP WOULD'VE SET UP.
NOW YOU JUST GOTTA THINK ABOUT IT.
THE PROPERTY SOLD AND YET THEY'VE GOT IT HAD THE PLAN SHOWN TO US THAT EVENING.
IT'S NOT THERE TONIGHT, BUT YOU GOTTA THINK.
BUT WE GOT OURSELVES TO THINK ABOUT THE FAMILIES, TO THINK ABOUT THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES, THE, THE COPS, THE UH, AMBULANCES AND THE BUSES, WHICH THE GENTLEMAN I THINK JUST MENTIONED, SOME OF THEM MAY NOT EVEN COME INTO THAT COMMUNITY 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO, NOT ALLOWED TO PICK UP THE CHILDREN.
GENERAL TRAFFIC ISN'T GOING TO BE ALLOWED.
YOU HARDLY HAVE ANY ROOM FOR REGULAR FOLKS WHO DON'T LIVE THERE.
I MEAN, ONES WHO COME AND GO LIKE WE DO, LIKE
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I'M THERE 40 YEARS.THE TRAFFIC HAS INCREASED TO THE POINT THAT YOU HAVE TO SIT AND WAIT 15, 20 MINUTES JUST TO GET THE HECK OUT TO GO TO WORK, GO TO MARKET, GO UP TO THE, THIS PLACE, THIS MAGNIFICENT OFFICE WINDOW.
AND THIS IS JUST ONLY EVEN PAYING ATTENTION.
BUT PAY SOME, PAY SOME ATTENTION TO THESE PEOPLE.
WE'RE NOT HERE JUST TO LOOK AND SAY PGOS.
WE'RE HERE TO SAY TAKE IT SERIOUSLY PEOPLE.
51 TOWNHOUSES IMAGINING IN THAT LITTLE ROAD WHITAKER GUT.
AND THEN TO GO DOWN TO THE DELI, IT'S ALREADY DIFFICULT.
WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TOLD TO YOU.
IS THAT UNDERSTOOD? I DON'T WANNA HEAR THIS.
YOU DON'T HAVE TRAFFICKING CONTROL.
'CAUSE I NEED TO PROVE HAS GOTTEN HORRIBLE IN 40 YEARS THAT I DID THERE.
I GUESS YOU CAN THANK I MAKE ANOTHER COMMENT.
I WANTED TO MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT JUST HAPPENED.
UM, ON THE 10TH SUNDAY, NOT THIS PAST SUNDAY, BUT THE SUNDAY BEFORE MY NEIGHBOR PASSED AWAY.
I WAS THERE, I WATCHED IT, TRIED TO PERFORM CPR.
UM, I LIVE IN THE DEVELOPMENT ALONE FOR CROSSING TOWN HOMES OFF AGE OF ROAD.
WHAT I WANTED TO SHARE WAS BECAUSE OUR LITTLE AREA IS GROWING BIGGER AND BIGGER AND BIGGER, THIS IS A REALITY.
NOW OUR, JUST SO YOU KNOW, YOUR GENTLEMEN, OUR POLICE FORCE, ALL OF OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES TOP-NOTCH WERE EXCELLENT.
THERE HAD TO BE WALKED THROUGH CPR.
I HAVE A SCREAMING SON WHO BY THE WAY IS ABLE TO DO CPR.
UNFORTUNATELY, I FORGOT I HAD TO HOLD THE PHONE FEELING WORTHLESS AND HELPLESS.
WHAT'S ALSO A BIG CONCERN IS MAKING SURE THAT OUR INCREDIBLE EMERGENCY SERVICES PEOPLE AND THEY WERE FANTASTIC FROM THE POLICE OFFICERS TO THE FIRE TRUCKS TO THE EMTS.
WE'RE FORTUNATE, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO GET THEM THERE ON TIME AND SAFELY.
I LIVE IN A VERY, VERY, VERY CROWDED DEVELOPMENT.
SO HE WANTS TO PUT 51 TOWN HOMES.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A HELL OF A TIME TRYING TO GET AN EMERGENCY SERVICE.
I HAD A FIRE TRUCK, TWO POLICE OFFICERS, EMT AND AMBULANCE.
I LIVE OFF OF BAXTER DRIVE, WHICH IS NOT EVEN THE BIGGER PART OF, UH, HUDSON DRIVE IN MY DEVELOPMENT.
THERE'S CARS PARKED ALL OVER THE PLACE.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE SMALL ROAD.
THAT'S THE OTHER THING I'M ASKING YOU TO THINK OF.
IT'S A LOT, ESPECIALLY FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES AND A FIRE TRUCK.
POLICE, EMTS, WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT.
'CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SAFETY, RIGHT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIVES.
UNFORTUNATELY, MY NEIGHBOR WAS NOT ABLE TO BE RESUSCITATED.
YOU NEED BEAUTIFUL THING OUT OF THIS.
NOW I KNOW THAT I'M GONNA BE GETTING CPR TRAINING, BUT WHAT ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE WHO IS PUT IN THAT POSITION AND DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY TO NOW TRY TO SAVE A LIFE UNTIL WE CAN GET THOSE SERVICES WE'RE GROWING.
BUT WE NEED TO CONSIDER SAFETY, NOT JUST OF THAT, BUT ALSO MAKING SURE THAT OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES CAN GET THERE AND GET THERE SAFELY TO SAVE A LIFE IF NECESSARY.
THANK YOU FOR, LEMME COME BACK UP.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE UP A COMMENT? OKAY.
BUT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING SECOND PLACE AT THE APPLE MOUNTAIN.
WELL, I, UM, AFTER GETTING AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THE, UM, PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS OFFICE DISTRICT ZONING IS WHAT Y'ALL ARE GOING BY.
UM, PERMITTED USES 300 DASH 414 C, SINGLE FAMILY AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE R THREE RESIDENCE DISTRICT.
WITH RESPECT TO AREA AND HEIGHT REGULATIONS IS SET FORTH IN 300 DASH 2 0 3 E.
SO WHAT CONCERNS ME, AND THE QUESTION I HAVE BEFORE IS IF THIS IS THE DOCUMENT THAT IS BEING USED TO DETERMINE WHAT IS DEVELOPED ON THE SITE, WE'RE ALREADY OUTSIDE OF THOSE PARAMETERS.
AND SO I REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE RESIDENTS AND THE ONES THAT AREN'T HERE DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THAT THIS THIS DOCUMENT BE APPLIED.
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WANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO HOLD PLANNING OR THE SUPERVISORS, ANYONE ACCOUNTABLE.THERE'S TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDIES THAT ARE BEING DONE THAT WILL DETERMINE HOW EMERGENCY SERVICES REACH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT WON'T BE DEVELOPED, IT MEANS THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO WIDEN THE ROADS OR ALLOW DIFFERENT TYPES OF ACCESS, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY GONNA MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF UNITS.
UM, BUT IF THIS IS THE, IF THIS IS THE CODE, WE'RE ALREADY OFF THE CODE.
ALL OUR PLANS GO THROUGH A REVIEW PROCESS, RIGHT.
YOU BY OUR PLANNING COMMISSIONER, YOU BY OUR SOLICITOR TO MAKE SURE THE PLANS DO MEET THE CODE.
RIGHT? I I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE INTERPRETING, YOU PICKED OUT ONE SECTION THERE TO READ ON.
I'M NOT SURE I HAVE THE, THE ZONING CODE THAT WAS GIVEN TO ME IN, IN THE LINK WHEN I REACHED OUT TO THE SUPERVISOR JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON.
AND IT FEELS LIKE WHAT'S HAPPENING IS FALLING OUTSIDE OF THE, SO THE EXISTING ZONING REQUIREMENTS, I CAN I CONSULT OUR TOWNSHIP SOLICITOR? I SUGGEST YOU CAN CONSULT A SOLICITOR ALSO THE SOLICITOR YES.
IS THERE ANY WAY TO DO IT WITHOUT LAW? I MEAN, AREN'T WE, AREN'T WE ABLE TO WORK AS A COMMUNITY? OUR ORDINANCES ARE INTERPRETED BY THE COURTS AND LAWYERS.
EVENTUALLY IT'LL BE A JUDGE AND INTERPRETS IT IF, IF WE GOES THAT FAR.
THERE'S NO, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY EITHER, SO, SO YOU'RE TELLING ANY ONE OF US THAT WE NEED TO GET AN ATTORNEY TO MAKE SURE THINGS ARE, IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THE PLAN THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED IS OUTSIDE OF OUR ORDINANCE, YES.
YOU'D HAVE TO PROVE IT TO THE TOWNSHIP AND THEN YOU MAY HAVE TO PROVE IT TO COURT.
IS THERE, IS THERE ANY OTHER OPPORTUNITY PLANNING COMMISSION YOU MENTIONED THAT WILL WORK WITH US? YOU'RE WELCOME TO GO AND SPEAK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
MY NAME IS AARON MELMAN FROM 2 0 4 NORWOOD STREET.
MY PROPERTY IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO ONE 40 WHITAKER.
I WANT TO THANK ALL MY NEIGHBORS BECAUSE THANK YOU FOR STANDING UP AND SAYING SOMETHING.
IT'S PRETTY, LIKE THEY'VE SAID ALREADY, I'M NOT A GREAT PUBLIC SPEAKER, BUT THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY AND THE SUPERVISORS, EVERYBODY FOR SHOWING UP.
UM, I KIND OF AGREE WITH JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING.
ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS SAID, AND I KNOW THERE'S A NUMBER OF NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE YET TO SPEAK AND I'VE SPOKEN TO 'EM IN THE PAST.
YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HEAR A LOT OF THE SAME.
UM, I THINK WHAT WE REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE IS THAT YOU GUYS AS SUPERVISORS ARE HERE TO, UH, SUPPORT US AS YOUR, YOU KNOW, TAX PAYING PEOPLE.
WE WANT YOU GUYS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS DONE PROPERLY.
OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE ALREADY REFERENCED IT ALL A WHOLE BUNCH, BUT IT IS STILL REALLY EARLY IN THE PROCESS.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE ARE WE IN THE PROCESS? LIKE WHAT, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THERE'S A THREE STEP PROCESS.
WHERE ARE WE TOM? WE'RE ABOUT TO REVIEW WHAT MIGHT BE A SKETCH OF WHAT THEY MIGHT WANT TO DO.
BASED ON WHAT THEY CAN OR CANNOT DO BASED ON LEGAL TERMS. SURE.
THAT'S ALL I, THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY AT THIS POINT IS WE ARE LISTENING.
THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN AND CAN'T DO.
WE HAVE TO BE WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE LAW AND WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS.
THE PROCESS HAS THREE STAGES IN BETWEEN EACH STAGE.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS WHERE YOU CAN GO AND HAVE YOUR VOICE HEARD SO THAT COMMISSION CAN THEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION BACK TO US AS THE BOARD TO MAKE A DECISION.
AND THOSE PLANNING COMMISSIONS ARE GENERALLY WHAT THE SECOND AND FOURTH OR YOU'D HAVE TO WATCH ON THE WEBSITE.
THEY'RE ALWAYS PUBLISHED IN THE AGENDA.
USUALLY ON WEDNESDAYS FIRST AND THIRD.
FIRST AND THIRD WEDNESDAY OF EVERY MONTH.
SO FOR ALL THE NEIGHBORS THAT WANT TO CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS.
AND THEN THERE'S, SO FROM WHERE WE ARE TONIGHT, YOU SAID THERE'S THREE STEPS BEFORE THE NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS.
THE, THE THREE STEPS ARE TENTATIVE, WHICH IS LIKE A SKETCH, IT'S A PROPOSAL, IT'S A, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE MIGHT WANT TO THINK ABOUT DOING.
MM-HMM
IT'S THE HARDCORE WORK THAT COSTS, UH, AN EXUBERANT AMOUNT OF MONEY TO DO MM-HMM
UM, AND THEN IT WOULD BE TO FINAL FOR FINAL SIGN OFF, ASSUMING THAT ALL LAWS WERE ABID AND ALL THINGS WERE SIGNED OFF AND THAT EVERYTHING WAS DEVELOPED UNDER THE LAW.
IT'S OUR, IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THE LAW IS FOLLOWED AND IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO TRY TO NEGOTIATE AND ON BEHALF OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND WHAT'S BEST IN THE INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO STOP THINGS THAT WE DON'T OWN.
CAN I ASK WHO PAYS FOR YOUR LAWYERS? WE DO.
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WE DO.SO CAN YOU REPRESENT US
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? ALRIGHT, SEEING NO ONE RISE, WE'LL MOVE ON WITH OUR AGENDA.
[EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT]
AN EXECUTIVE SESSION WAS HELD TONIGHT AND UH, AND TOPICS THAT WERE DISCUSSED WERE RELATED TO POTENTIAL LITIGATION AND REAL ESTATE NEGOTIATIONS.[APPROVAL OF BILL LIST]
EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO APPROVE TO, UH, PERUSE THE BILL LIST.I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BILL LIST.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE JULY 1ST TO JULY 31ST, 2025 BILL LIST IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,489,236 AND 72 CENTS.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE BILL LIST.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
WE ALSO HAD A, A SET OF OUR MINUTES FROM OUR JULY 21ST MEETING IN OUR PACKET.UM, IF EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO READ THOSE, IF THERE IS NO REVISIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE JULY 21ST, 2025 BOARD.
ALRIGHT, A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE OUR JULY 21ST MINUTES.
ANYONE OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
UH, WE HAVE NO PUBLIC HEARING TO BE HELD TONIGHT.
[OLD BUSINESS (ACTION/DISCUSSION ITEMS)]
UH, WE HAVE SOME OLD BUSINESS CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 28 GRANTING PRELIMINARY, PRELIMINARY LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL REQUEST REDEVELOPMENT 1201 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD.AND I UNDERSTAND THIS WAS TABLED AT OUR LAST MEETING, UH, WITH THE DEVELOPER.
I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, MAKE PRESENTATION.
ALISON TARO ON BEHALF OF HT 1201 COLLEGEVILLE, LLC.
WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING REGARDING THE QUEST SITE, UM, WHICH IS DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR TO THIS PROPERTY.
UH, MR. SOLING, AS YOU MENTIONED, I KNOW YOU WERE NOT HERE LAST MONTH, NOR WAS MR. YEAGER, BUT WE DID, UM, DO AN INITIAL PRESENTATION ABOUT, UH, THE PRELIMINARY PLAN THAT'S BEFORE YOU ON THE SCREEN TONIGHT.
UM, I HAVE SEVERAL FOLKS WITH ME THIS EVENING THAT I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE.
AND THEN I THINK WE'D LIKE TO SORT OF START AT THE BEGINNING AND WALK THROUGH EVERYTHING AGAIN, UM, AND ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP AT THE LAST MEETING.
SO WITH ME TONIGHT ARE DAVE LANCE GRONER FROM HIGH TOP DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, UM, SCHULTZ, WHO IS AN ARCHITECT AND PLANNER FOR THE PROJECT.
DENNIS KERICK, WHO IS THE CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT.
AND GREG RICHARDSON, WHO IS THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER FROM FOR THE PROJECT.
UM, LAST MONTH WE WERE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS PLAN AND THERE THEY'RE JUST A COUPLE OF BASIC THINGS I WANT TO MENTION AND THEN I'LL HAVE HER WALK YOU, UM, THROUGH THE SITE PLAN.
AND WE ALSO HAVE SOME RENDERS TO SHOW YOU THIS EVENING.
UM, WE, WE HAVE TECHNICALLY TWO DIFFERENT PARTS TO THIS PLAN.
THERE IS A MINOR SUBDIVISION PLAN THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THIS.
THIS PROPERTY TODAY IS ACTUALLY MADE UP OF MORE THAN ONE PARCEL, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, EVEN THOUGH IT, IT, IT ONLY HAS ONE OFFICE BUILDING ON IT AND MULTIPLE PARKING FIELDS.
UM, AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO SHIFT THOSE LOT LINES INTO SOMETHING THAT IS COHERENT SO THAT THE, UM, PORTION OF THE SITE THAT YOU SEE ON THE BOTTOM PART OF YOUR PLAN, THE COMMERCIAL PART IS ALL ON ONE PARCEL.
AND THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION, WHICH IS THE TOP PART OF THE PLAN, IS ALL ON ONE PARCEL.
UM, MONTGOMERY COUNTY, AND THIS IS AGAIN VERY TECHNICAL, BUT MONTGOMERY COUNTY TYPICALLY LIKES TO SEE THAT UNDERLYING TYPE OF LOT LINE CHANGE PLAN DONE FIRST INSTEAD OF SUBSUMED INTO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE DID FILE A SEPARATE MINOR SUBDIVISION PLAN THAT IS ALSO BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.
THAT PLAN DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY LEGAL RELIEF AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S PRIMARILY TO HANDLE PROCEDURE WITH MONTGOMERY COUNTY IN THE WAY THEY LIKE TO SEE IT.
UM, THE SECOND PART OF THIS IS OBVIOUSLY OUR PRELIMINARY LAND DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH WE WILL BE SPENDING OUR TIME ON TONIGHT.
UM, WE DID RECEIVE TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN APPROVAL FOR THIS PROJECT BACK IN OCTOBER OF 2024.
AND WE APPEARED BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN JUNE AND THEY DID MAKE A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION ON BOTH ASPECTS, BOTH THE SUBDIVISION AND THE PRELIMINARY LAND DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO HERB TO WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE SCREEN.
AND THEN WE DO ALSO HAVE SOME RENDERINGS AND I'LL CALL IT MORE OF THE 3D TYPE OF SHOP TO TAKE A LOOK AT AS WELL.
JUST WANNA ASK A QUICK QUESTION.
THIS IS THE SAME PLAN YOU PRESENTED LAST MONTH, RIGHT? ESSENTIALLY? YES, IT IS THE SAME EXACT PLAN.
AND THIS PLAN HAS NOT ACTUALLY BEEN SEEN BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I MEAN, IT WAS A GENERAL PLAN, BUT SINCE THEY'VE REDRAWN THINGS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL TO
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DO THE ENGINEERING, WE HAVEN'T SHOWN THAT YET TO THE, THIS IS THE SAME EXACT PLAN THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAW IN JUNE.WE JUST COLORED IT ON THE SCREEN SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT BETTER TONIGHT.
SO THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MADE A RECOMMENDATION ON.
UM, AND YOU'LL HEAR TONIGHT JUST VERY BASICALLY THIS IS GENERALLY THE SAME AS A TENNIS SKETCH PLAN, WHICH I KNOW JEFF HAS AVAILABLE.
THE THINGS THAT CHANGED, AND THEY'RE PRIMARILY IN THE RESIDENTIAL SECTION, ARE THE CIRCULATION THROUGH THAT PORTION OF THE SITE DUE TO FIRE MARSHAL AND YOUR ENGINEER TECHNICAL ENGINEERING COMMENTS.
THE OTHER THING THAT CHANGES AT THE CORNER OF BLACKROCK AND 29, EVERYTHING IS SET BACK FARTHER.
YOUR ORDINANCE HAS A GREATER ULTIMATE RIGHT OF WAY AT THAT INTERSECTION THAN WOULD OTHERWISE BE REQUIRED FOR.
THE CLASSIFICATION OF THOSE ROADS WAS SHIFTED EVERYTHING SLIGHTLY FURTHER INTO THE SITE, BUT ULTIMATELY ON THAT SIDE OF THE PLAN, IT MAKES FOR, UM, BETTER CIRCULATION COMING INTO THE SITE.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE TECHNICAL COMMENTS WE RECEIVED FROM YOUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS THAT REVIEWED THAT PLAN.
BUT THIS PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT IS THE ONE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MADE THE RECOMMENDATION ON.
ONE THING I'VE NOTICED SINCE, SINCE WE LAST SAW A PLAN FOR THE SITE IS THE HISTORIC FARM BUILDING.
THE BUILDING THAT'S ON BLACKROCK.
WE NOW HAVE, UH, FOUR BUILDINGS, I GUESS THAT'S EIGHT UNITS RIGHT UP AGAINST THAT BUILDING.
AND, UH, I HEARD THAT WE'RE PERHAPS NOT GONNA REHAB THAT AND TURN THAT INTO A PUBLIC SPACE.
SO, AND THERE WAS ANOTHER ISSUE TOO WITH TRASH COLLECTION, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO GO WITH COMMON DUMPSTER AREAS.
WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS 240 CANS SITTING DOWN ON THE STREET EVERY FRIDAY AND, AND WHAT'S ALREADY A VERY DENSE PARKING LOT.
UH, UM, MAYBE I CAN ADDRESS THE SECOND PART OF THAT FIRST.
UM, WE WOULD STILL PREFER TO DO WHAT I'LL CALL COMMUNITY TRASH COLLECTION, BUT WE THOUGHT A WAY TO HANDLE THAT WOULD BE DOING SORT OF ALTERNATE DAYS SO THAT EVERYONE DOESN'T HAVE IT OUT.
WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT PORTION OF THE COMMENT.
I THINK OUR CONCERN IS THREE OR FOUR DAYS THAN, THAN THAN ONE.
I MEAN, TYPICALLY IN THIS, IN A, IN A, YOU KNOW, HOA COMMUNITY WHERE THERE'S PR PRIVATE TRASH PICKUP THAT IS ALLOCATED, I MEAN, SOME OF THE CONCERNS I ALWAYS HEAR ARE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT PROVIDERS.
WE OBVIOUSLY, WELL THIS IS FOR US STACK TOWN HOMES, THESE ARE ALMOST THE DENSE APARTMENTS.
IN APARTMENTS, WE CERTAINLY INSIST THAT YOU HAVE BOUGHT DOWN TRASH AREAS, DUMPSTERS TYPICALLY THOSE ARE INSIDE THOUGH OUR CONCERN WOULD BE THAT THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE AND THAT COULD POTENTIALLY CREATE OTHER ISSUES FROM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DRAGGING THEIR TRASH, THERE SMELLS, THAT KIND OF THING, VERSUS IN A, UM, YOU KNOW, TRADITIONAL MULTI-FAMILY HIGHRISE BUILDING, YOU WOULD HAVE THAT TRASH COLLECTION, UM, IN A CENTRALIZED LOCATION IN THE FACILITY.
SO THAT IS CONCERN, BUT CERTAINLY I THINK THAT'S THE POINT THAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORK WITH EVERYONE ON.
IF, IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, I THINK WE CAN CERTAINLY GET THERE.
BUT IF WITH THAT MAYBE I CAN HAVE HER WALK YOU THROUGH THE PLAN AND WHAT'S SHOWN ON THERE TONIGHT.
SO YEAH, JUST TO REITERATE, UM, THE GENESIS OF THIS PRESENTATION TONIGHT IS, UH, WE, WE HAD PRESENTED LAST MONTH, UH, THE TECHNICAL DRAWINGS, WHICH ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE A LITTLE BLAND, A LITTLE FLAT.
UH, SO I THINK THAT THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT JUST GREEN SPACE AND, UH, AND JUST SORT OF, UH, LOOKING AT PLANS AT THIS SCALE.
UH, I THINK IT'S, IT'S HARD TO INTERPRET SORT OF LIKE WHERE, UH, LIKE THE AREAS IN BETWEEN THE TOWNHOUSES AND, AND SORT OF THE GATHERING SPACES THAT WE'VE PROGRAMMED IN, UM, AT A SCALE OF ONE TO EQUALS UH, 80 FEET.
IT WAS JUST A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO KIND OF GET THAT ACROSS.
SO, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE GENESIS OF THIS.
SO, UH, JUST TO WALK YOU THROUGH, UM, I THINK EVERYONE'S SEEN THIS PLAN BEFORE, BASICALLY.
UH, THIS IS THE EXISTING, UM, ENTRANCE INTO THE QUEST DIAGNOSTIC SITE.
CURRENTLY WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, A, A SECONDARY, UH, INGRESS EGRESS HERE ON BLACKROCK.
AND, UH, A SMALL RELOCATION OF THE EXISTING, UH, ENTRANCE INTO THIS AREA.
UM, THIS IS THE, UH, TOWNHOUSE ZONE HERE, 61 STACKED TOWNHOME.
SO, UH, 122, UH, DWELLING UNITS.
THE HISTORIC HOUSE, UH, THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED IS RIGHT HERE.
UH, AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, BASICALLY THERE'S A LARGE SWALE HERE WITH, UH, WATERWAY THAT RUNS OUT THIS WAY.
UM, AND AS ALLISON HAD SAID, UH, FROM THE LAST TIME I THINK THAT, UH, YOU FOLKS HAD SEEN THIS BEFORE, UH, DURING TENTATIVE, UH, THIS BUILDING WAS REALLY MORE OF A V SHAPE AND IT WAS PUSHED OVER THIS WAY A LITTLE BIT THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, REQUIREMENTS KIND OF RE REALLOCATED SOME OF THAT.
UH, CAN FLIP TO THE NEXT, YOU WANT YOUR THAT'S
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FINE.UH, SO WE JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, PRODUCE SOME, UH, SOME IMAGES.
I THINK THE LAST TIME WE DIDN'T HAVE THESE.
AND I THINK THAT THESE, THESE SORT OF HELP TELL, UH, THE STORY A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
SO THIS IS A VIEW FROM, UH, THE CORNER, UH, YEARS 29.
UH, THIS IS THAT SIGNALED ENTRY SPACE.
UM, AND THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE PLANTINGS AROUND HERE.
UH, THE GENERAL LOOK AND FEEL OF THE, OF THE CENTER.
WE HAVE A LOT OF AREAS PROGRAMMED FOR, UH, FOR OUTDOOR USE.
THIS IS ALMOST CERTAINLY GONNA BE A RESTAURANT.
UM, I KNOW SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAD HEARD FROM, UH, FROM PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, WAS THEY WERE LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, MORE, UH, DESIRABLE OUTDOOR SPACE.
SO, UH, AT THE ENDS OF ALL OF THESE BOX AREAS HERE, HERE IN THIS BUILDING HERE, UM, WE'VE PROGRAMMED IN MORE USABLE PROGRAM SPACE, OUTDOOR SPACE, UH, GATHERING SPACE.
UM, WE HAVE WALKWAYS THAT SORT OF MEANDER THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
THEY ACTUALLY GO FROM HERE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE CORNER, AND THEN CARRY ON TO BLACKROCK AND ACTUALLY CUT ACROSS AND ACCESS THE, UH, THE PARK BEHIND THE RESIDENTIAL NEXT.
SO, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A, A MORE CLOSEUP VIEW OF THAT, OF THAT CORNER, UM, RESTAURANT.
UH, AS I SAID, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DESIGNING THESE BUILDINGS CURRENTLY WITH, YOU KNOW, LARGER, LARGER OPENINGS, YOU KNOW, UH, FOLDING WALLS.
SO WE CAN REALLY CREATE SOME INDOOR OUTDOOR SPACE AND SEE THESE PLACES AS, UH, AS VERY ACTIVE AND PROGRAMMED.
THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING DOWN FROM THE LOWER, UH, THE, THE SORT OF, I GUESS, THE NORTHERN MOST, UH, BUILDING, LOOKING BACK AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST TO TRY TO GIVE AN IDEA OF THE MATERIALS WE'RE, WE'RE PLANNING ON USING, UH, HIGH QUALITY MATERIALS, BRICK, METAL PANEL, UH, STEEL AWNINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY ONE OF THE MAIN, UH, IMAGES THAT WE WANTED TO, TO BRING TODAY.
SO, UM, AS I HAD SAID, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A PLAN, UH, YOU KNOW, THE 30,000 FOOT VIEW IS VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND KIND OF WHAT THESE SPACES ARE GONNA FEEL LIKE.
UH, SO THIS IS ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE TYPICAL CLUSTERS, ONE OF THE TYPICAL COURTYARDS, UH, WITHIN THE, UH, THE TOWN HOME SPACES.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE A LOT OF WALKWAYS, UH, THAT CONNECTS THE FRONT DOORS OF ALL THESE HOUSES.
WE SEE THESE AS BEING GATHERING SPACES, UM, ACTIVE SPACES, PLANTINGS.
THIS IS ALL ON THE LANDSCAPING PLANTS AS WELL.
UM, JUST TO SORT OF SHOW THE AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE AND, UH, AND PROGRAM SPACE FOR THE, FOR THE RESIDENCES.
YOU CAN SEE DOWN HERE, UH, OFTEN THE DISTANCE IS THE, IS THE ACTUAL COMMERCIAL.
SO WE KNOW, WE, WE OBVIOUSLY, WE SELECTED THIS SITE AND, AND CITED THIS, UH, THIS SITE THE WAY WE DID.
WE HAVE THAT NATURAL BREAK OF, UM, OF THE EXISTING WATERWAY THAT RUNS THROUGH.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY PLANTING THAT AREA, UH, TO SORT OF OFFER THE RESIDENTIAL FROM THE COMMERCIAL, UH, EVEN MORE.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW TO, TO SORT OF SHOW THE IDEA OF, UH, A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY ACCESS, UM, YOU KNOW, OUTDOOR SEATING GROUPS IN BETWEEN ALL THESE CLUSTERS.
AND WE REALLY SEE THIS AS BEING AN ACTIVE SPACE.
AND THEN HERE'S A VIEW LOOKING UP, UM, LOOKING UP BLACKROCK.
UH, THE HISTORIC HOUSE IS HERE.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WE'VE GOT A SERIES OF TREES.
THERE'S A BUNCH OF TREES ON THE BACKSIDE THAT WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN.
UM, UH, AND HERE'S THAT, AS I SAID, HERE'S THAT WALKWAY.
THIS IS ACTUALLY AN EXISTING WALKWAY THAT WE'RE GONNA BE EXTENDING ALL, ALL THE WAY TO THE, UH, TO THE END OF OUR PROPERTY.
AND THEN IT CARRIES INTO THE SITE.
YOU CAN SEE IT CARRIES DOWN HERE, UM, AND, AND BASICALLY MEANDERS THROUGH ALL THE TOWNHOUSES AND EVENTUALLY WORKS ITS WAY OVER, UH, TO THE, TO THE, UM, THE NORTHWESTERN CORNER, ACCESS TO THE, UH, TO THE PARK.
AND HERE'S A VIEW SORT OF LOOKING, UH, AT THAT, AT THAT LITTLE WALKWAY THAT RUNS THROUGH THIS IS THAT CLUSTER OF FOUR TOWNHOUSES AND THE HISTORIC HOUSE HERE.
UM, THE PLAN WITH THAT HISTORIC HOUSE IS ACTUALLY TO, TO RENOVATE IT.
IT'S, IT'S, UH, WE'VE STARTED TO, YOU KNOW, STARTED THE SURVEY AND, AND UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, IT REALLY NEEDS A LOT OF WORK.
IT'S PRETTY DILAPIDATED ON THE INSIDE.
UM, BUT, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU HEARD THAT.
WE WEREN'T DOING THAT, BUT THAT IS THE PLAN.
I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE LAST I CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YET.
JUST GO BACK TO THE OVERHEAD DRAWING.
AND I, THE, THE, THIS LITTLE STUB OF FOUR HERE SITTING NEXT TO THE OLD FARMHOUSE, THAT JUST MAKES THIS ALL VERY VISIBLE FROM BLACK ROCK ROAD, THAT REALLY KIND OF CHANGES THE AESTHETIC.
NOW DOWN IN THE RIGHT HAND CORNER HERE, SOMEBODY TOLD ME THAT'S A TOP LOT.
I CAN'T REALLY OH, OVER HERE REALLY DISTINGUISHABLE.
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YEAH.IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU COULD MOVE SOME OF THAT DOWN THERE AND GET RID OF IT? GET RID OF THAT ALONG BLACK ROCK ROAD? SO, OTHER THAN THE HISTORIC HOUSES THAT MAINTAINS A OPEN GREENWAY ALL ALONG THE HARD WAY THERE.
SO THIS AREA HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A WALKWAY THAT CARRIES THROUGH PRETTY CLOSE TO THESE HOUSES.
THIS AREA HERE IS ACTUALLY PRETTY STEEP SLOPE.
UM, THIS, THAT, THAT, UH, THAT CATCHMENT WATERWAY KIND OF BEGINS HERE AND CUTS ACROSS.
SO THIS IS REALLY, I MEAN, WE CAN, THERE ARE PLANTINGS IN THE ZONE, UM, BUT FROM A, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO LOCATE THE, THE TOP LINE, RIGHT? NO, NO.
I GUESS THE OTHER, THE OTHER END IS THERE, THERE'S A LITTLE COLORED BLO ON THE, WHAT IS THAT HERE THE OTHER WAY? RIGHT THERE.
THAT IS THE, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE THE TOP LOT LOCATED CURRENTLY.
THAT'S WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT.
YOU GET 'EM OFF OF BLACKROCK HALL TOGETHER.
IN OTHER WORDS, OTHER THAN THE HISTORIC BUILDING, IT WOULD BE AN OPEN BREED SPACE ALONG THE BLACKROCK IS
IT'S GONNA LOOK DIFFERENT OBVIOUSLY THAN WHAT, WHAT IT DOES TODAY.
BUT YOU WON'T HAVE THOSE UNITS RIGHT ON THE ROADWAY THERE.
YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S A UTILITY EASEMENT THAT RUNS THROUGH HERE AND SOME OTHER, OBVIOUSLY SOME OTHER JUST TECHNICAL ISSUES.
UH, WITH LOCATING ANY BUILDINGS SORT OF SOUTH OF THIS ROADWAY IS NOT REALLY FEASIBLE.
THERE'S A STORMWATER, UH, EASEMENT THAT RUNS THROUGH, COMES ACROSS AND THEN COMES DOWN.
WHAT ELSE? UH, ONE OF OUR RESIDENTS BROUGHT UP A BUS STOP.
SO THOUGHTS ON WHERE A BUS WOULD GO FOR THIS? I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD QUESTION.
YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY PULL UP THE MAIN ENTRANCE WE ARE DOING.
AND, UM, WE HAVE OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER HERE THAT CAN SPEAK TO THIS A LITTLE MORE, UH, INTELLIGENTLY.
BUT WE DO HAVE, UH, SOME ROADWAY, UH, RE WIDENING OVER HERE AND DOWN HERE THAT, UM, I WOULD, I WOULD ASSUME THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD PICK UP.
YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S GONNA BE A SHOULDER ON BLACKROCK ROAD WHERE THEY'LL BE ABLE TO RIGHT HERE
THAT WHERE THEY'LL BE ABLE TO PICK UP.
AND THEN ALSO THEY CAN PULL INTO THE DRIVEWAY AND THEN TURN BACK OUT.
ARE YOU TALKING MASS TRANSIT OR ARE YOU TALKING SCHOOL? SCHOOL BUS.
SO THE SCHOOL BUS WOULD PICK UP KIDS ON BLACKROCK ROAD.
I FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT THAT.
THERE'S GONNA BE LIKE A SHOULDER, LIKE A WIDENING, A BLACKROCK ROAD.
YEAH, I MEAN, WE JUST HAD THIS ISSUE ON 29 AT RIVER CREST WHEN THE KIDS WERE OUT THERE AND IT WAS A SUPER HAZARDOUS SITUATION.
AND RIVER CREST WAS KIND ENOUGH TO HAVE THE KIDS ACTUALLY PICKED UP IN THE PARKING LOT WAY INSIDE BY THE CLUBHOUSE BECAUSE OF THAT.
AND YOU'RE JUST RECREATING A SITUATION WE JUST SOLVED ON A MAJOR ROAD.
SO I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND BETTER SAFETY FOR THE CHILDREN FOR SURE.
'CAUSE THERE'S GOTTA BE, YOU CAN'T BE PICKING UP KIDS ON BLACKROCK ROAD.
PEOPLE ARE FLYING 55 MILES AN HOUR DOWN THAT ROAD.
UM, AT LEAST, UNLESS CHIEF CATCHES AREN'T BEEN THERE AROUND
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE ONE CONSIDERATION FOR ME.
UM, AGREE WITH BILL GETTING THOSE FOUR OFF.
BUT THE, THE FIRST SKETCH WE, WE SAW, 'CAUSE I REMEMBER THIS COMING UP, AND WE, AND WE DID, WE DID GO BACK AND FORTH FOR A WHILE AND GOT TO A REASONABLE NUMBER OF HOUSES THAT WE ALL, WE, WE KIND OF COMPROMISED ON, BUT THE SETUP WAS A LOT DIFFERENT.
THERE WAS MORE HORIZONTAL AND, AND THIS JUST LOOKS SO MUCH MORE DENSE AND I'M JUST, UM, IT LOOKS JUST SO MUCH DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE ORIGINALLY PLANNED.
SO I JUST DON'T, I, UM, SO I WAS THINKING WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THOSE RENDERINGS BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS, THAT GREEN SPACE, THAT WOULD BE ONLY AT HIGH.
IT WOULD LOOK LIKE THAT BECAUSE OTHERWISE THE BUILDING WOULD SHADOW THAT AT ALL THE TIMES OF THE DAY.
YOU UNDERSTAND? I'M SAYING THAT'S ONLY GONNA BE SUNNY SIDE SIDE ONE HEAVEN, YOU KNOW? SO IF YOU LOOK IN, IN THE MIDDLE PART OF THE, OF THE COURTYARD, THERE'S 80 FEET BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS.
SO FROM A RENDERING PERSPECTIVE, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT'S UP HIGH, BUT THE ACTUAL DISTANCE BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS IS 80 FEET AND THE SPACE THERE SHOULD BE NOTED.
THIS IS ALL GREEN SPACE HERE IN BETWEEN AS WELL.
SO YOU HAVE SORT OF THESE FOUR CLUSTERS AROUND THIS COURTYARD AND THERE'S A WALKWAY BACK TO THE PARK.
AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE HAVE THE TOT LOT WHERE IT IS BECAUSE THERE'S A, UM, A NEW PATH THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN RIGHT THERE WHERE IT'S GOING TO LEAD RIGHT INTO THE PUBLIC PARK THAT CONNECTS TO THE TOWN SHOW.
SO THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF KIND OF KEEPING IT THERE.
SO YOU COULD FLOW INTO THE, THE, THE NEW PARK PLAYGROUND THAT WAS BUILT HERE, AND THAT WALKWAY CONNECTS ALL THE WAY AROUND TO HERE AND THEN CONNECTS TO THE EXISTING WALKWAY THAT RUNS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE.
AND JUST ONE QUICK THING, JUST TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE DENSITY.
SO THIS IS THE EXACT SAME NUMBER OF UNITS FROM WHEN WE DID TENTATIVE OF SKETCH PLAN AND YEAH, NO, I AGREE.
I AGREE ON THE NUMBER OF THE CONFIGURATIONS YOU THOUGHT.
SO ONCE THEY'RE DRAWN INTO SIZE, THOUGH, IT LOOKS A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT.
'CAUSE WE LOOKED, WE ACTUALLY LOOKED IN IT IN OUR EARLIER MEETING, HAD THAT PLAN, AND THE BUILDINGS WERE MUCH SMALLER.
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SO I ASSUME YOU, YOU WERE UP, THE DIMENSIONS WEREN'T, WEREN'T QUITE CORRECT IN THAT INITIAL SKETCH.THESE BUILDINGS ARE MUCH LARGER.
THE, THE DIFFERENCES THAT HAPPEN ARE THE ROADS HAD TO GET LARGER PER THE COMMENTS FROM THE FIRE MARSHAL AND FROM THE TOWNSHIP TO ACCESS VEHICLES.
SO THAT'S WHY IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S LESS SPACE, BUT THE REALITY IS THE STREETS ARE NOW ACTUALLY WIDER.
THEY CONFORM WITH EMERGENCY SERVICES.
AND THE PREVIOUS TENANT SKETCH PLAN ACTUALLY HAD SEVEN HOUSES DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE HISTORIC HOUSE.
AND, UM, ALSO THERE WAS NO CONNECTION FROM THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY INTO THE COMMERCIAL COMMUNITY THAT, UH, WHERE THE, WHERE HERB'S HIGHLIGHTING RIGHT NOW, THAT LITTLE PASS THROUGH WAS NOT THERE.
AND HO AND ADDITIONAL STACKED UNITS WERE THERE.
SO WE KIND OF TOOK ALL THOSE COMMENTS FROM THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEER, FROM THE BOARD, FROM EVERYBODY, AND TRY OUR BEST TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT MAINTAINED THE DENSITY, UM, WHILE ALSO KIND OF CREATING MORE OPEN SPACE.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WHEN WE DID OUR TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN AND WE, WE MOVED FORWARD WITH THAT, THAT'S THE, THE WAY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT THE REST OF THE ECONOMICS FOR THE SHOPPING CENTER.
AND THAT SHOPPING CENTERS REALLY, REALLY LEASED UP AT THIS POINT, WHICH IS VERY EXCITING.
AND JUST SHOWS THE, THE PEN UP DEMAND FOR THE PROJECT.
YEAH, I THINK THE SHOP SIGN LOOKS FINE.
I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT.
IT'S THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION WHERE WE HAVE PROBLEMS AND IT'S THE, LIKE I SAID, IT'S THOSE FOUR UNITS ALONG BLACKROCK, THE DUMPSTERS FOR PUBLIC TRASH.
SO WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED, 200 SOME CANS OUT.
SO THE DUMPSTERS, WE CAN SOLVE THAT.
I MEAN, WE CAN WORK, YOU KNOW, TO FIGURE OUT THAT THE, THE BUS STOP, WE CAN PROBABLY COME UP WITH A SOLUTION AS WELL WITH HAVING THE BUS PULL IN SOMEHOW.
WE MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL MEETINGS WITH, WITH THE BOARD AND FIGURE THAT OUT.
BUT I, I KNOW THAT THERE'S A PATH THERE.
UM, THE DENSITY, YOU KNOW, THE EASY THING FOR ME TO DO IS JUST TO SAY, SURE.
BUT, UM, AT THIS POINT, THIS IS HOW WE MADE THE PROJECT WORK FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT.
IF THERE WAS A PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, I WISH I WOULD'VE KNOWN ABOUT IT A YEAR AGO.
SO YOU PITCHED THIS TO US AS, YOU KNOW, THAT LITTLE FARMHOUSE BEING I WAS DO A YEAR AGO TOO.
NO ONE'S GONNA LIKE GATHER THERE.
LIKE THERE'S NOT, IT'S JUST HOUSES AND IT'S SOMEONE'S BACKYARD.
AND IN THE ONE LETTER IT SAYS THAT YOU'RE NOT PLANNING ON DEVELOPING IT.
SO I GUESS I'M CONFUSED BY THAT YOU ARE GOING TO TURN INTO MAYBE A COMMUNITY AREA OR IT'S NOT, WE ARE ABSOLUTELY OPEN PUTTING IT INTO A COMMUNITY AREA, UH, AREA.
AND THINK THAT THE MISCOMMUNICATION WAS, IF THOSE, WHEN I, WHAT I SAID LAST TIME WAS IF THOSE UNITS GO AWAY, IT'S GONNA BECOME REALLY TOUGH ECONOMICALLY TO PUT A MILLION DOLLARS INTO THAT HISTORIC HOUSE WHILE LOSING DENSITY.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL THAT THAT WAS MEANT.
IT'S, IT'S, WE, WE HAVE NO, UM, GOAL OF GOING BACK ON WHAT WE'VE ALREADY PROMISED THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS.
IT'S GONNA BE A COMMUNITY ASSET AND, AND THAT'S A GUARANTEE.
WELL, I GUESS I, THIS JUST FEELS EXTREMELY CLAUSTROPHOBIC.
LIKE IF I, I WOULDN'T WANT TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, BE IN BETWEEN THOSE TOWNHOUSES.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, NOISY AND NO SUNLIGHT.
I MEAN, MAYBE THEY ARE FAR ENOUGH APART, LIKE WHAT IS 70 FEET IN SOMEONE? IS IT 80 FEET? SO THAT'S LIKE THREE STREETS.
LOOK LIKE IT WOULD BE THAT BIG.
UM, I JUST, IT JUST FEELS, YOU KNOW, VERY LIKE WE, YOU KNOW, CHANGED THE ZONING.
SO YOU COULD HAVE STACK TOWNHOUSES.
WE DON'T HAVE STACK TOWNHOUSES ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE TOWNSHIP.
SO IT JUST, THE REALITY IS THOUGH, LIKE WE GAVE A LOT AND THEN WE'RE GETTING THIS LIKE, REALLY UGLY PRESIDENTIAL AREA.
WELL, I THINK THAT IT MIGHT NOT BE A PRODUCT THAT YOU WOULD LIVE IN, BUT THERE'S DEFINITELY DEMAND IN PEOPLE WHO ARE PRICED OUT.
THEY NEED A PLACE TO LIVE THAT WANT TO BE IN THE TOWNSHIP, AND THIS IS THAT TYPE OF UNIT FOR THEM.
BUT THEN THEY HAVE LIKE, I MEAN, BUT YOU CAN STILL MAKE IT LOOK LESS CLAUSTROPHOBIC FOR THEM, RIGHT? LIKE, JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY.
NO, I, I LISTEN, I UNDERSTAND, BUT YOU ARE BUYING HERE FOR THE AMENITY OF WHAT YOU GET WITH THE COMMERCIAL, THE WALKABILITY, THE ABILITY TO, TO TAKE A TRAIL AND GO TO A PLAYGROUND ON THE TOWNSHIP PROPERTY.
THIS IS A UNIQUE PRODUCT THAT DOESN'T EXIST IN THE TOWNSHIP.
AND I TOTALLY GET THE SKEPTICISM OF WHO'S GONNA WANT TO LIVE HERE.
THIS IS, THIS IS A CONCEPT THAT HAS WORKED IN OTHER TOWNSHIPS.
IT'S A PRODUCT TYPE THAT SELLS.
AND WE FEEL VERY CONFIDENT IT THAT IT'S GONNA DO EXTREMELY WELL HERE.
I MEAN, I'VE SEEN THIS, YOU KNOW, OUT IN LIKE THE DC SUBURB, BUT IT'S, I JUST FEEL HERE IT'S JUST TOO
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MUCH, TOO, TOO ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.I JUST, I DON'T, I DON'T, I THINK IF WE COULD GET RID OF THOSE FOUR, IT WOULD OPEN UP AT LEAST THAT SPOT A LITTLE BIT AND GIVE MORE OF AN AREA.
UM, I DUNNO IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO RECONFIGURE IT, LIKE REPLACE THE TALLAH WITH HOUSES.
I DON'T THINK, I MEAN, THE PLAYGROUND'S RIGHT THERE.
SO IT'S A NICE ASPECT TO HAVE THE TALLAH, BUT WE DON'T, LIKE, THEY DON'T NEED IT.
WE HAVE A TWO NICE PLAYGROUNDS NEARBY.
THE UM, CAN YOU WORK WITH US ON THAT? I MEAN, I, I I, I'M, I'M, I AGREE WITH KELLY AND I I I'M STILL, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE GOT, WE'VE GOT THIS NICE SITE LINE AS WE DRIVE UP BLACKROCK ROAD AND THEN IT GETS BROKEN RIGHT AT THAT SPOT.
AND I CAN YOU FLIP TO THE, UM, THE VIEW LOOKING UP BLACKROCK AT, UM, ONE LIKE THIS SLIDE? ONE MORE? YEAH, THAT ONE.
SO THE EXISTING CONDITION TODAY AS YOU COME UP HERE, THIS IS THE HISTORIC HOUSE HERE.
THIS IS ALL PRETTY MUCH OVERGROWTH ALL THE WAY BACK AND BASICALLY BACK TO WHERE THESE TOWNHOUSES CURRENTLY ARE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT OF, IT'S A LOT OF ABANDONED DEAD TREES THAT WE HAVE TO CLEAR OUT.
THE NEW STUFF THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN.
OUR PLAN WAS TO BASICALLY KEEP AS MUCH TREE GROWTH HERE AS POSSIBLE SO AS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, MASK THIS.
BUT I, I THINK THE VIEW OF THE THE HISTORIC HOUSE IS GONNA BE MAINTAINED.
WE, WE THESE ARE FARTHER, THEY'RE FAR BACK.
SO LIKE THE VIEW COMING UP IT, ODYS SAID, I THINK THE VIEW, THE HISTORIC HOUSE AS CURRENTLY IT STANDS IS GONNA BE IMPROVED UPON WITH THIS PLAN.
YOU'LL SEE THE HISTORIC HOUSE MORE, YOU'LL SEE MORE ACTIVATION SPACE HERE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS OBVIOUSLY THIS WALKWAY, UH, IS GETTING OPENED UP.
'CAUSE AGAIN, RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S PRETTY OVERGROWN HERE.
UM, JUST A COUPLE OTHER POINTS WHEN WE WERE TALKING, WE, I THINK WE USE THAT LOT TODAY WHEN WE HAVE COMMUNITY DAY AND OTHER SERVICE.
SO, UM, IS, IS THERE STILL A CONVERSATION LIVE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY BEING ABLE TO USE THE PARKING LOT FOR COMMUNITY DAY? AND HOW DO WE YEAH.
AND HOW DOES THAT GET WRITTEN IN? I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S NOT LOST IN THE PROCESS.
SUE AND I HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATING ABOUT THAT.
WE ACTUALLY JUST FINISHED, BASICALLY AGREE TO LICENSE AGREEMENT TO CONTINUE TO USE THE SPACE FOR, I THINK IT'S IN SEPTEMBER, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO YOU, THE TOWNSHIP WILL BE, THERE'S A COUPLE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
THE TOWNSHIP WILL STILL BE ABLE TO USE THAT, OUR SHOW AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I, I LOOK AT THIS AND I WORRY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, I KNOW THIS IS PRELIMINARY, SO I JUST WORRY AGAIN, THERE'S CARS GOING 45, 50, 55 MILE AND PEOPLE RIDING BIKES RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
SO THE WHOLE BLACK ROCK SAFETY THING.
UM, TO ME, BETWEEN BUS STOPS, KIDS, BIKES, CARS.
SO WE NEED TO CONSIDER SOME KIND OF SAFETY ALTERNATIVE.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BUS, I GUESS THERE'S GONNA BE A WIDE WELL, IT WOULD BE UP PAST, THE PAST THE, THE HOUSE CARVE IT OUT OFF.
I JUST DON WE HAD THAT ISSUE OVER WHEN WE SOLVED IT.
THIS IS GETTING, IT'S GETTING WIDE SAW.
SO THIS IS GETTING WIDE, THIS IS ALL GETTING WIDENED.
SO THERE'S LIKE A PULL OFF ESSENTIALLY.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS WALKWAY, I MEAN THIS ACTUALLY IS HERE TODAY TOO.
SO EVERYTHING, WE'RE CONNECTING EVERYTHING TO THAT.
THAT'S, UM, I'M GONNA BRING UP A POINT.
UM, I GOLF AT RIVER CREST, I'M NOT A GOOD GOLFER.
UM, I GOLF WITH OTHER GUYS WHO ARE NOT GOOD GOLFERS AND I SEE THEM SNAP HOOK BALLS THAT DIRECTION.
THERE'S NOT CARS IN THAT LOT TODAY, BUT I'VE SEEN MORE THAN FIVE IN JUST THE TIME I'VE PLAYED BOUNCE INTO THAT LOT.
SO THERE HAS TO BE A CONSIDERATION THERE TO WORK WITH RIVER CRE.
'CAUSE SOMEBODY'S GONNA HIT A GOLF BALL INTO A CAR.
BUT NO, IT'S AN HONEST CONSIDERATION BECAUSE YOU GOT A PARKING LOT RIGHT THERE.
I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT JUST HIT THE BALL STRAIGHT, I GUESS.
UM, SO YEAH, THOSE WOULD BE THE THINGS FOR ME.
THE BUS STOP, THE SAFETY OF THE KIDS.
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A BIG ONE, THE GOLF BALLS.I'M ACTUALLY PRETTY SERIOUS ABOUT THAT.
THERE'S GONNA BE A GOLF BALL IN A CAR.
UM, AND THEN JUST A CONSIDERATION OF THE FOUR.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU, HOW YOU RECONVENE IT.
UM, I, I'M NOT, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU COULD EVEN MOVE THEM AROUND IN THE PLOT, BUT THOSE WOULD BE THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO ME TO CONSIDER, UM, AS YOU GO THROUGH THIS.
ANYTHING ELSE? ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ARE THOSE, UM, ACCESS ROADS, ARE THEY BIG ENOUGH? LIKE BASED OFF THE FIRE MARSHALS REVIEW? LIKE, LIKE ARE THE ROADS, LIKE THE OTHER SIDE ROADS, ARE THEY APPROPRIATE? YEAH, WE, WE'VE ENLARGED ALL THE, THE RING ROAD HERE GOING ACROSS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
SO AT THIS POINT WE CAN SAY YES OR NO TO THIS PLAN OR TABLE IT AGAIN FOR ANOTHER MONTH AND, UH, TAKE ANOTHER RUN.
RECONFIGURING THIS AND GETTING THOSE FOUR UNITS, FOUR BUILDINGS, EXCUSE ME, EIGHT UNITS, I GUESS MOVE TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION OR RECONFIGURING IN SOME WAY.
UM, I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO SOMEONE ELSE ON THE BOARD, MAKE A MOTION.
BUT, UH, I GUESS THOSE ARE OUR THREE OPTIONS.
WE COULD HAVE A MOTION THE TABLE OR WE COULD HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO THE TABLE.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 28 AND A SECOND.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
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NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS, SO THIS IS UNDER NEW BUSINESS, CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 30 GRANTED TENTATIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR ONE 40 WHITAKER ROAD RE.YOU'VE HEARD MANY COMMENTS ALREADY ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
UM, WE DO HAVE A PRESENTATION TO WALK YOU THROUGH, UM, JUST TO, TO SET THIS UP.
'CAUSE I KNOW IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ABOUT THE ZONING ITSELF THAT AS THE BOARD KNOWS, BUT JUST FOR, UM, THE PUBLIC AS WELL.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED PBO DISTRICT, HOWEVER, THE PBO DISTRICT DOES ALLOW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING TOWNHOUSES.
THESE ARE TRADITIONAL TOWNHOUSES, NOT STACKED TOWNHOUSES LIKE WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT ON THE LAST PLAN.
TRADITIONAL TOWNHOUSES ARE CONSIDERED SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED DWELLINGS UNDER THE TOWNSHIP ZONING ORDINANCE, AND THEREFORE FALL INTO THE CATEGORY OF RESIDENTIAL USES PERMITTED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT.
SO I'M SPEAKING STRICTLY FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE.
UH, WE ARE COMPLYING WITH THE AREA BULK REQUIREMENTS, UM, AS SHOWN ON THIS TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO THE PROPERTY.
UM, THE PLAN HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY YOUR TOWNSHIP CONSULTANTS, UM, AND HAS ALSO BEEN REVIEWED BY THE ZONING OFFICER.
UH, WE DID APPEAR BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THIS PROJECT IN JUNE AS WELL.
UM, WE DID NOT APPEAR BEFORE YOU LAST MONTH.
UM, SORRY, I SHOULDN'T SAY JULY, BUT WE DID NOT APPEAR BEFORE YOU LAST MONTH.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME YOU'RE SEEING THIS IN THE TENANT SKETCH PLAN.
UM, THEY DID MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL ON THE PROJECT.
UM, I THINK AS THE BOARD IS AWARE AND HAS BEEN REFERENCED TONIGHT, THERE IS A LEASE ON THIS PROPERTY, WHICH IS SEPARATE FROM ZONING.
THE LEASE ON THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAS TWO AREAS.
THE PREMISES A AND THE PREMISES B THAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER.
PREMISES A IS A PLAY AREA, UM, WHICH IS A MINIMUM OF A LITTLE OVER 11,000 SQUARE FEET OF THAT AREA.
THERE IS A SMALL PLAY STRUCTURE ON IT TODAY, WHICH WAS THE OBLIGATION OF THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER TO BUILD SMALL PLAY STRUCTURE.
ALTHOUGH THERE IS A FULL AREA THAT'S DESIGNATED AS A PLAY AREA THAT IS SUBJECT TO A 99 YEAR LEASE THAT IS TERMINABLE BY THE TOWNSHIP.
SEPARATELY, THERE ARE 3.65 ACRES APPROXIMATELY THAT ARE SUBJECT TO A SEPARATE PROVISION IN THE LEASE, WHICH IS TERMINAL BY
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THE OWNER FOR EXPANSION OF PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS OFFICE USE ON THE SITE.AGAIN, SINCE THIS IS THE DBO DISTRICT, THERE ARE MULTIPLE USE AND PERMITTED, AND THAT IS ALSO PERMITTED ON THE SITE.
OUR PROPOSAL THAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU, UM, AND WHICH WE HAD PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED WITH YOU IN SORT OF MORE GENERIC TERMS, WAS THE POSSIBILITY OF RECONFIGURING SOME OF THIS TO ALLOW FOR REDEVELOPMENT OF TOWNHOUSES ON THE SITE, BUT STILL PRESERVING 3.65 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE ON THE SITE THAT WOULD THEN BE PERMANENTLY DEED RESTRICTED IN SOME MANNER RATHER THAN BE SUBJECT TO A TERMINAL LEASE.
AS WELL AS TO PROVIDE AN ENHANCED, UM, ACTIVATED SPACE FOR, UM, PLAY ON THE PROPERTY WITH ENHANCED, UM, AMENITIES IN THAT PLAY SPACE.
SO AGAIN, TONIGHT I HAVE, UM, HERB LANCE GRONER, WHO'S, OR SORRY, KEB SCHULTZ AND DAVE LANCE GRONER.
HERB HAS, UM, PUT TOGETHER A PRESENTATION TO WALK YOU THROUGH, UM, THE THINGS THAT WE WERE THINKING ABOUT FOR THE SITE.
UM, I WILL NOTE ALSO THAT, UM, AFTER WE APPEARED BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THERE WAS A MEETING WITH RESIDENTS HERE AT THE TOWNSHIP BUILDING TO TALK ABOUT THE PLAN.
AND SO WHEN HERB WALKS THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN IDEAS OR ITEMS THAT, UH, WE ARE PROVIDING AND SHOWING YOU TONIGHT FOR CONSIDERATION THAT WERE PART OF, UH, COMMENTS THAT WERE RAISED AT THAT RESIDENT MEETING.
SO THE, THE PLAN YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW IS THE FORMAL TENANT SKETCH PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED, THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MADE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE PRESENTATION THAT HERB WILL WALKING POINTED OUT.
BUT THERE ARE SOME, UM, OPTIONS OR THINGS TO THINK ABOUT IF THE BOARD IS INTERESTED IN CONSIDERING THIS BASED ON, UM, INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE COMMUNITY AT THAT MEETING.
SO THIS IS YOU FINE FOR ME,
UM, RIGHT, SO THIS IS THE TENTATIVE, THE FORMAL TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN.
UM, THIS IS WHAT WAS PRESENTED PREVIOUSLY.
UM, I'LL JUST NOTE QUICKLY, UH, WE'LL GET INTO THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.
BASICALLY, UH, IT'S, IT'S, UH, 51 TOWNHOUSES.
THERE'S A CURB CUT HERE AND BASICALLY A S UH, SINGLE LOOP ROAD THAT COMES OUT, UM, ON THE OTHER SIDE, UH, SOME VISITOR PARKING HERE.
AND, UM, THE, THE LARGE, UH, PLAYGROUND AREA IS THIS HERE, WHICH YOU'LL SEE IN FUTURE RENDERINGS.
UH, AND THEN THIS LITTLE RED SQUARE HERE IS THE EXISTING PLAYGROUND, UH, TODAY.
LEMME FLIP TO THE NEXT, UM, THE NEXT PLAN.
SO, UH, AS ALLISON HAD SAID, WE HAD MET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, MAYBE TWO WEEKS AGO.
UH, AND, YOU KNOW, LISTENED TO THEIR CONCERNS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY TRAFFIC, UH, STORM WATER, UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF OTHER, YOU KNOW, JUST GENERAL CONCERNS.
UH, ONE OF THEM IS WE CURRENTLY ARE SHOWING A WALKWAY THAT BASICALLY COMES AROUND, UM, AND CONNECTS THE PLAYGROUND BACK TO THIS AREA HERE AND EVENTUALLY COMES UP AND CONNECTS TO THE, UM, TO, TO THE MEADOWS CONDO.
UH, THAT WAS A SUGGESTION ACTUALLY FROM SOMEONE, UH, I THINK AT THE MEADOWS, UH, WE'D HAD A MEETING WITH THEM ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, SCHOOL CHILDREN BEING ABLE TO WALK DOWN THROUGH THE SITE, DOWN TO A BUS STOP RATHER THAN A COMING ACROSS NORWOOD AND WALKING DOWN.
UM, BUT THAT PREVIOUS PLAN, THE PREVIOUS TSP ALSO HAD A WALKWAY THAT KIND OF CAME BACK BEHIND THESE TOWNHOUSES IN BETWEEN, UM, THE EXISTING NEIGHBORS.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WAS MET WITH NOT, NOT A LOT OF ENTHUSIASM.
SO WE'VE, UH, WE'VE ELIMINATED THAT, UH, FROM, FROM THE PLAN.
THE BIGGER ISSUE WAS BASICALLY THE EXISTING, UH, THE EXISTING PLAN THINGS THROUGHOUT.
SO ALL OF THE, UM, THE SORT OF PERIMETER TREES THAT ARE HERE EXISTING CURRENTLY.
UM, AND THESE, UM, THESE VERY LARGE, UH, OAKS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF THE EXISTING, UH, SCHOOL IS BASICALLY RIGHT HERE, THESE FIVE OAKS.
UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE TRAFFIC.
AND SO THIS PLAN, UH, WE TOOK ANOTHER STAB AT IT.
WE KIND OF MOVED SOME THINGS AROUND.
UM, SO THIS PLAN ALLOWS US TO KEEP THESE FIVE OAKS, UM, INTACT.
THAT WAS, UH, THAT WAS ECHOED BY A NUMBER OF NEIGHBORS.
UM, IN DOING SO, WE'VE ALSO ELIMINATED ONE OF THE CURB CUTS.
SO THE INGRESS AND EGRESS FROM THIS SITE WILL BE LIMITED TO JUST THIS INGRESS HERE.
SO THE ONE THAT'S CLOSER TO, UH, THE NEAR NEIGHBORS IS NOW, UH, NOW GONE.
UM, WE'RE MAINTAINING ALL OF THE, THE TREE STRUCTURE THAT GOES ALONG OUR PROPERTY LINE AND INTO THIS STEEP SLOPE AREA.
UM, WE'LL OBVIOUSLY DO CLEANUP.
THERE'S A LOT, AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, OF, OF DEAD, UH, BRUSH THERE THAT WE'RE GONNA CLEAR OUT.
BUT BASICALLY ALL OF THIS, UH, BUFFER ZONE HERE BETWEEN US AND THE MEADOWS IS GONNA BE MAINTAINED.
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OBVIOUSLY GONNA BE PLANTING IN, YOU KNOW, SMALLER TREES ALONG THIS WALKWAY JUST IN THE OPEN SPACE, UH, IN GENERAL.SO THIS IS THE OPEN SPACE AS IT LOOKS TODAY.
THIS IS THAT, UH, PLAYGROUND THAT I MENTIONED.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY BACK HERE IS THE MEADOWS NEXT.
SO THIS IS, UH, A VIEW OF WHAT WE WOULD SEE, UM, ONCE THE JOB IS DONE.
SO OBVIOUSLY WE'RE PLANTING NEW PLANTS ALONG THIS WALKWAY, GOING BACK, UM, SCREENING FOR THIS VISITOR PARKING SPACE HERE, AND THEN THE, THE PLAYGROUND BACK, UH, IN THIS AREA HERE.
SO THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING UP WHITAKER.
SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GONNA BE SOME VISITOR PARKING FOR, UH, FOR THE PLAYGROUND, UH, THEN IMPLEMENTING THE WALK THAT GOES UP AND AROUND, UH, UP TO THIS PLAYGROUND SPACE HERE.
UM, SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE SHOWING, UH, CURRENTLY.
UH, WE'VE TALKED, UH, TO THE PARKS DIRECTOR.
UH, WE'VE HAD SOME INITIAL MEETINGS.
UM, I THINK THAT THERE'S A DESIRE FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED TO MAYBE NOT JUST HAVE IT BE A PLAYGROUND, BUT HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME, SOME SEATING GROUPS, SOME LARGER AREAS FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR ADULTS TO, TO DO THINGS.
WE'VE GOT SOME BACHI COURTS IN THIS, IN THIS RENDERING.
UM, SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME LARGE CHEST SETS AND JUST MORE ACTIVATED SPACE FOR PEOPLE, NOT JUST TODDLERS AND KIDS.
UM, THAT WAS KIND OF SOME FEEDBACK THAT WE HAD HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORS AS WELL.
UH, THE GENERAL DESIGN OF THIS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU NOTICE THIS SITE, IT BASICALLY SLOPES UP TO THE BACKSIDE OF THE, OF THE SITE.
SO WE'RE SORT OF BUILDING THIS, PROPOSING TO BUILD THIS PLAYGROUND SPACE INTO THE, INTO THE WALL, UH, INTO THE HILL WITH SOME RETAINING WALLS.
UH, WE THINK THAT THIS WILL HELP ACOUSTICALLY, UH, KEEP THINGS IN CHECK.
UH, AND THEN VISUALLY AS WELL FOR, FOR THE NEAR NEIGHBORS, ESPECIALLY THE ONES BEHIND US HERE.
UM, JUST AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE GOT SEATING GROUPS PROBABLY GONNA END UP HAVING, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL IN TALKS WITH THE PARKS, UH, PEOPLE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT MAYBE HAVING SOME CHARCOAL, UH, UH, BARBECUING AREAS.
WE HAVE BOCCE COURTS AND, AND JUST KIND OF LOTS OF, UH, LOTS OF PROGRAMMED, UH, SPACE HERE NEXT.
SO STILL MAINTAINING SOME, SOME SEMBLANCE OF A PLAYGROUND AREA, BUT OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING MORE SPACE, UH, FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO COME IN.
THIS IS A VIEW OF ONE OF THE WALKWAYS.
THIS WOULD BE CONNECTING FROM SORT OF UP ON THE NORTH ON THE, I GUESS IT'S THE EAST SIDE OF WHERE THE MEADOWS IS, AND CONNECTING ALL THE WAY TO, UH, UH, TO WHITAKER.
WHAT TYPE OF SURFACE IS THAT WALKWAY? IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, RIGHT NOW IT WOULD BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF A COBBLESTONE OR, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF A, A, A PERVIOUS PAVING.
THANKS FOR THE, AND WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT FOR YET.
UH, SO THIS IS A, THIS IS A, SO THE, THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION THAT WE HAD WAS A SIMILAR VIEW TO THIS, BUT OBVIOUSLY THESE TREES WERE GONE BECAUSE WE WERE INITIALLY PROPOSING TO REMOVE THEM TO HAVE THAT SECOND CURB CUT.
SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S NO LONGER IN THE, IN THE, THE PLAN.
BASICALLY, UH, YOU COME IN ON WHITAKER TO COME IN, THERE'S A SERIES OF TOWNHOUSES.
UH, THE VISITOR PARKING IS OFF HERE TO THE LEFT.
AND THESE, UM, THESE LARGE OAKS WOULD REMAIN, I, I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THOSE TREES TODAY.
THAT'S ALL ALONG OR IN THEIR ROOT SYSTEM, RIGHT? AND WE'RE GONNA, THIS, THIS PAVING BEHIND IT IS GONNA BE NEW AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT RUNS UNDER THE, THE SHADE LINE OF THE TREES.
SO THAT'S ABOUT, SO YOU'RE NOT, THE PURVIEW SPACE AROUND THE TREES IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE.
UH, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE LAST, THAT MIGHT BE THE LAST ONE.
WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION FOR, RATHER THAN IT BEING ON WHITAKER, THAT IT WOULD ENTER THROUGH THE MEADOWS OR SOMEWHERE, THEREFORE THAT WOULD EXIT OUT ON BLACK ROCK FURTHER DOWN THAN TRYING TO EXIT OUT ON 29 AND ON EGYPT, OR I'M SORRY, EGYPT, NOT BLACKROCK, BUT EGYPT, BUT RATHER THAN TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING CLOSE TO THAT INTERSECTION.
YEAH, WE, WE HAD, UH, LOOKED VERY EARLY ON AT, UM, POSSIBLY HAVING A, THROUGH ROAD AT LEAST, IS LIKE BASICALLY CARRYING THIS ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
THAT'S ACTUALLY A PRIVATE ROAD.
UM, SO THERE'S NOT REALLY A, A METHOD FOR US TO CONNECT TO THAT UNFORTUNATELY.
THEY WOULD ONLY, THEY WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO DO THAT KIND OF THING IF THE MEADOWS AUTHORIZED IT.
UM, WHICH OBVIOUSLY CAN BE VERY CHALLENGING.
GOT THEY WERE FULL OF SPEED UPS ALREADY.
UM, BUT I DO HAVE CONCERN WHERE WHITAKER HITS EGYPT THAT'S GOING TO, THAT INTERSECTION IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE PRETTY SIGNALED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO HAPPEN.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I AGREE WITH THE
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FOLKS THAT I GO DOWN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD QUITE FREQUENTLY AND GETTING OUT THERE BE RUSH OUT IS JUST ABOUT IMPOSSIBLE.BUT ON EGYPT ROAD, WE COULD SIGNALIZE WHERE WHITAKER HITS EGYPT AND THAT WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO GO BOTH LEFT AND RIGHT THERE, AND A LEFT TAKES YOU RIGHT BACK TO 29 AND RIGHT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST GONNA HAVE TO BE A PART OF THIS.
WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WITH THE NEIGHBORS TOO IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY THIS IS TENTATIVE SKETCH, YOU KNOW, THE, ALL OF THE, UH, THE, THE TRAFFIC STUDIES AND, AND TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDIES, THAT ALL GETS DONE ON THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE MOVE FORWARD, THAT ALL GETS DONE ON THE NEXT PHASE AND WE'LL HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT SORT OF IMPROVEMENTS WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN.
SOME PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE PARKING, PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIVE IN THESE NEW NEW TOWN HOMES, PARKING ON THE STREET.
HOW MANY SPACES DO YOU HAVE PER TOWN HOME? SO FOR ZONING, WE NEED TWO PER TOWN HOME.
WE HAVE TWO DRIVEWAY SPACES AND TWO GARAGE SPACES PER HOUSE.
SO WE HAVE DOUBLE THE REQUIREMENT.
UM, THAT'S ALL WE'RE REQUIRED.
WE ALSO HAVE, UH, VISITOR PARKING HERE.
IT'S, UH, OFF, BASICALLY OFF OF THIS CURB CUT NOW, UM, SPACES FOUR PER HOUSE.
IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE A SEPARATE PARKING FOR THE PARK.
WHO MANAGES THE PARK? WELL THAT'S, I, THAT'S ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE WITH THE TOWNSHIP IS HOW, HOW THIS PARK, UH, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE FINAL RESTING SPOT OF THIS PARK IS.
BUT YEAH, SO I THINK FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S FLEXIBILITY.
LIKE WE COULD DO A DEDICATION, A RESTRICTION, WE'RE OPEN TO THAT.
AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, ZACH AND OUR ATTORNEY ALLISON CAN FIGURE OUT THE LOGISTICS OF HOW THAT WOULD BE RESTRICTED.
BUT WE ARE, WE'RE OPEN TO ALL THOSE THINGS.
DEDICATION, I THINK WHAT WE WANT.
DO WE WANT A NICE PARK FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD? SURE.
WE DON'T WANT TO PARK LIKE THE ONE NEXT STORY THAT ATTRACTS PEOPLE TOO, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT, I MEAN, WE WANT TO BE NICE, BUT NOT THAT NICE.
I THINK IT, IT'S MORE COMMUNITY FROM WHAT I'VE GATHERED, MORE COMMUNITY AND PICNIC ORIENTED.
AND WE, WE DISCUSSED THAT WITH SUE AND JEFF.
WE HAD A CALL TO KIND OF GET SOME GUIDANCE ON WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR FROM, FROM PROGRAMMING PERSPECTIVE.
CAN YOU SHOW ME AGAIN WHERE THE PARKING FOR THE PARK IS? SURE.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, CLOSING A CURB CUT RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS NOT FAR FROM, THERE IS AN EXISTING ONE.
AND THEN THERE'S A WALKWAY THAT WE BASICALLY ARE CONNECTING FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER WITH, WITH A WALKWAY.
I KNOW THERE'S NOT SIDEWALKS ON, YOU KNOW, ON WHITAKER GENERALLY SPEAKING, BUT, UH, I THINK THE TOWNSHIP IS LOOKING TO SORT OF IMPLEMENT, UH, SIDEWALKS WHEREVER POSSIBLE.
UH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE BASICALLY CONNECTING ALL THE WAY ACROSS AND THEN COMING UP CONNECTING TO THIS AND THEN COMING BACK AND AROUND.
I MEAN, WHERE, WHERE ARE, AND I KNOW THIS IS FOR THE COMMUNITY, BUT NOT EVERYBODY LIVES LIKE THAT CLOSE.
WHERE WOULD THOSE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY RIGHT DOWN THERE, DOWN HERE, THIS RIGHT DOWN THIS VISITOR.
I THINK THERE'S LIKE, IS THAT NOT INSIDE OF THE NEW TOWN HOME COMMUNITY? IT, IT IS RIGHT NOW, BUT ONE OF THE, THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO WORK OUT IS HOW DOES THAT DEDICATION GO TO THE TOWNSHIP? LIKE, DO YOU GUYS, WOULD WE WANT A SEPARATE CURB CUT? I MEAN, I THINK THESE ARE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE POST TENTATIVE SASKATCH PLAN, LIKE WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH ENGINEERING TO FIGURE OUT HOW EXACTLY WE WANT TO HANDLE THAT ACCESS POINT.
UM, AND WE'RE OPEN TO FIGURING THAT OUT, DOWN, DOWN THE PROCESS I'M LEANING TOWARDS.
IT NEEDS TO BE SEPARATE FROM SURE.
THE ACTUAL TOWN HOMES, NO PROBLEM.
AND I THINK THE TOWNSHIP'S TRAFFIC ENGINEER WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, I MEAN, 51 IS CLEARLY A LOT.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, YOU HEARD THE FEEDBACK.
CAN WE GO DOWN AND NUMBER OF HOUSES? SO THE BY RIGHT ZONING HERE IS ACTUALLY 60 HOUSES.
SO IF THE, IF THE PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS OFFICE, IF THE LEASE IS TERMINATED AND YOU WERE TO GO BY THE ZONING CODE, YOU CAN ACTUALLY DO 60 HOUSES HERE.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING LESS THAN WHAT THE MAX COULD BE.
UM, AND IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT IN A TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENT TRAFFIC LIGHT AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS REGARDLESS OF OUR PROJECT, UM, THIS IS THE DENSITY THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT.
CAN I ACTUALLY ASK A QUESTION OR TWO? OF COURSE.
UM, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE REAR VEGETATION WALL IN THAT
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AREA WITH THE MEADOWS.I KNOW THAT A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS BEEN HAD ABOUT THE BUFFERING THAT'S GOING ON THERE.
THE, THE, THE VEGETATION THAT YOU'RE SHOWING IN THE BACK THERE, IS THAT ALL EXISTING? YES.
AND I KNOW THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE A LOT OF CLEARING AND GOING IN AND TAKING STUFF OUT.
ARE YOU GONNA MAINTAIN A VISUAL BUFFER WHERE YOU, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE, THERE'S NOT REALLY A DIRECT LINE OF SIGHT BETWEEN THE TWO DEVELOPMENTS? YES.
AND WOULD YOU GUYS AGREE TO KIND OF PUT IN SOME OF THAT LIKE LANDSCAPE LAYERING YES.
WITHIN, INTO THAT, INTO THAT AREA TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOU MAINTAIN THAT VISUAL BUFFER? ABSOLUTELY.
WHEN I SAY CLEARING, I, I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST DEAD STUFF.
THERE'S, THERE'S A, IT'S JUST NOT VERY WELL MAINTAINED CURRENTLY.
YEAH, I I'M JUST, I'M JUST ASKING CLARIFYING QUESTIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING AND, AND WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
I ACTUALLY HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION THEN.
SO YOU ARE LYING BETWEEN THE MEADOWS AND THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT.
HOW FAR ALONG DO THOSE TREES GO? SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S, UM, A, A HUGE, THERE'S A HOUSE THAT, THERE'S A COUPLE HOUSES ACTUALLY BACK THERE, BUT THERE'S A HOUSE AND THEN THERE'S A LITTLE KIND OF WALKWAY THAT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AT THE METALS RIGHT NOW USED TO GET TO THE, THE OPEN SPACE.
AND THEN THERE'S MORE OPEN SPACE, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER CARPORT.
SO THE SECOND CARPORT, IT LOOKS LIKE THE TREES ARE BEHIND THAT.
SO THERE'S A CARPORT HERE, RIGHT THERE, RIGHT.
SO THERE'S THIS CARPORT HERE AND THEN THERE'S ONE DOWN, DOWN ON THE PORT.
WILL THE TREES GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE SECOND CARPORT? SO THE TREES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE THE SCREENING FOR OUR, FOR THE TOWN HOMES, WHICH STOP BASICALLY RIGHT THERE.
WHICH IS WHERE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW.
YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE BUT ARE YOU ASKING IF WE COULD DO MORE BUFFER? EXACTLY, YEAH.
'CAUSE THERE'S SURE, THERE'S SPACE THERE THAT YEAH.
PEOPLE THAT LIVE AT THE MEADOWS CAN STILL LOOK AND SEE ALL THESE TOWN HOMES.
WHEREAS THEY'RE USED TO LOOKING AT OPEN SPACE.
WE CAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT.
UM, FROM A MECHANISM STANDPOINT, I MEAN, WE'D HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY FIGURE THAT OUT.
'CAUSE IN THEORY THE TOWNSHIP WOULD OWN THAT.
WE'D NEED TO HAVE LIKE, ACCESS TO PLAN AND DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO.
WE WON'T ASK YOU TO DEDICATE IT TO US TO YOUR COMPLETELY SOCIAL LANDSCAPE.
SO THEN THAT'S, THAT'S A MOOT POINT.
HOW DO WE FIX THE, HOW DO WE FIX THE SAFETY ON NORWOOD 29, THE NORWOOD AND 29? IT'S A VERY DANGEROUS INTERSECTION.
WELL, I THINK HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE, UM, ADDRESS THE SAFETY THERE? I THINK THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE NEXT PHASE OF THIS PROJECT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TRAFFIC ENGINEER ON OUR SIDE ENGAGED AS WELL AS TOWNSHIP TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND MAYBE PENNDOT AS WELL.
AND I THINK AT THAT POINT IN TIME, I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT WHATEVER THEY THAT THEY TELL US TO DO WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER THAN WHAT IT IS TODAY.
WHAT IF THEY, THE
WHAT ARE YOU, WHO ARE YOU KIDDING? YOU'VE GOT A RED LIGHT HERE AND WE STOP, THEN WE GO TO THE NEXT, RIGHT? AND WE STOP.
SO TRAFFIC, ARE WE BACK, SIR? ALL THE WAY? YES, I WILL.
WE HAD BOTH THINK IT THROUGH PEOPLE.
MR. CHAIR, IF, IF I MIGHT BE ABLE TO LAY OUT SOME OF THE PROCESS THAT'S GOING ON HERE JUST FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED.
UM, SO THIS EVENING, THE PLAN THAT'S IN FRONT OF US IS, IT'S A, IT IS A TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN.
TOM HAD MENTIONED THE, THE TENTATIVE SKETCH PHASE.
THIS IS KIND OF THE, THE PROCESS WHERE THE DEVELOPER COMES TO THE TOWNSHIP AND THEY, THEY KIND OF DRAW THEIR PROPOSAL OUT IN BROAD STROKES.
THEY SAY, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY WE WANT TO DO IT HERE.
WE WANT TO PUT THE ROADS HERE.
WANT PUT THE STORM WATER HERE? THERE'S A LIST OF 10 ITEMS IN THE SUBDIVISION LAND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE RULE BOOK FOR BUILDING SOMETHING HERE IN THE TOWNSHIP.
THAT'S NOT ZONING, THAT'S NOT GIVING THEM ANY KIND OF, ANY KIND OF VARIANCES FROM THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
RIGHT NOW THEY'RE PROPOSING WHAT'S, WHAT'S CONSIDERED TO WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS A BUY RIGHT PLAN, MEANING THEY COMPLY WITH ZONING.
SO THE TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN, THERE ARE 11 THINGS IDENTIFIED IN THE CELL THAT THEY HAVE TO SHOW ON THE PLAN.
THEY HAVE TO SHOW THE GENERAL LOCATION OF WHERE THE STORM WATER'S GONNA GO.
THEY HAVE TO SHOW THE GENERAL LAYOUT OF THE STREETS.
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FROM HIGH UP.IT'S NOT GETTING INTO THE NITTY GRITTY DETAILS.
THE NEXT PHASE IS THEY'RE GONNA GO TO THEIR ENGINEER.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THEIR ENGINEER GO THROUGH ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE, OF THE SUBDIVISION LAND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO, TO SHOW OUR TOWNSHIP ENGINEER, OUR TOWNSHIP TRAFFIC ENGINEER, OUR TOWNSHIP ZONING OFFICER, THAT THEY ACTUALLY MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT I AGREE THAT THEY MEET ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
SO THIS IS THE, THEY'RE NOT LOOKING FOR ANY VARIANCES FROM THE, THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
THAT WHOLE DETAILED DESIGN PROCESS IS THE NEXT PHASE.
THE TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE BOARD RIGHT NOW IS ONLY THOSE 11 THINGS IN THE SALVO THAT ARE VERY GENERAL.
THEY'RE VERY BROAD, THEY'RE NOT SUPER DETAILED, AND IT'S NOT THE FINE DETAIL OF WHAT THE PROJECT'S GONNA BE.
SO TONIGHT THE BOARD IS BEING PRESENTED WITH A PLAN THAT'S A TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN.
HIGH LEVEL, BROAD STROKES, NOT THE DETAILS.
THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT.
THEIR ENGINEER, OUR ENGINEER, TRAFFIC ENGINEERS NEED TO GET TOGETHER.
EVERYONE'S GONNA WORK OUT THOSE DETAILS.
NOW, AT THE SAME TIME, WE ALSO HAVE THIS LEASE.
THE LEASE IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE SUBDIVISION LAND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, COURT DECISIONS SAY THAT WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DENY A LAND DEVELOPMENT PLAN BECAUSE OF A PRIVATE AGREEMENT.
WE CAN'T, LIKE IF THERE'S AN EASEMENT THAT RUNS ACROSS IT, YOU CAN'T DENY A SUBDIVISION LAND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T, BECAUSE OF A PRIVATE AGREEMENT THAT HAS TO BE ENFORCED THROUGH THE COURTS, THROUGH EQUITY THROUGH ALL.
THERE ARE OTHER MECHANISMS TO DO THAT.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT IF THE BOARD GRANTS THE TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN, THEY'RE JUST SAYING THE BROAD STROKES OF THE PLAN, YOU COMPLY WITH WHAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE.
WE STILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE WHOLE LEASE ISSUE.
THERE'S STILL A LOT OF OTHER STUFF THAT'S GOING TO BE WORKED OUT BEFORE THIS PLAN IS FINALIZED OR BEFORE IT GETS FINAL APPROVAL.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO PROVE THAT THEY MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.
SO I JUST, I I I THINK IT WAS IMPORTANT TO JUST KIND OF SET THE TABLE FOR WHAT IS BEFORE THE BOARD, WHAT'S BEING CONSIDERED AND WHAT WE STILL HAVE TO DO.
SO THE MOTION I'M ABOUT TO MAKE IS RELATED TO THAT.
SO WE'RE CONSIDERING THE TENANT LAND PLAN SEPARATE FROM THE CURRENT LEASE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO GRANT THE TENANT APPROVAL, BUT AS THE PLAN IS IN VIOLATION OF THE CURRENT LEASE, I ALSO MAKE A PART OF THIS MOTION AUTHORIZING OUR SOLICITOR TO NEGOTIATE FURTHER WITH THE DEVELOPER ON THE PLAN, SPECIFICALLY WITH THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT, YOU KNOW, RELATED TO TRAFFIC, THE PARK SIZE, ET CETERA, THAT EVERYTHING HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT.
UM, I'LL SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UM, RELATED TO THE, UH, TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF ONE 40 WHI WHITAKER ROAD.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE A AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WHY DO WE RECORD THAT ADDITIONAL, WHAT SHE SAID? THAT RECORD.
GONNA MAKE SURE BECAUSE THAT WE, WE, UM, NEXT WE'RE GOING HAVE PRESENTATION ON ZONING BOARD APPLICATIONS.
I THINK THERE'S THREE I WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT.
THE FIRST WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT IS APPLICATION 25 DASH ZERO NINE.
IT IS A PROPERTY BEHIND 4 25 SOUTH MENNONITE ROAD.
FOR IT IS MOSCARELLA TRANSFER OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS.
I'LL LET BERNADETTE TIERNEY FROM HER FIRM EXPLAIN AND GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW.
UH, BERNADETTE HEARNEY HERE FROM HAMBURG, RUBEN, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF CARL WIER WHO IS ON VACATION THIS WEEK.
AND MR. MOSCARELLA IS ALSO PRESENT.
SO, UM, THE, THIS IS A TRANSFER OF TDRS AND UNDER YOUR TDR ORDINANCE.
UM, WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE, BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN CRITERIA SET FORTH IN SECTION 303 82 THAT WE NEED RELIEF FROM.
AND AS STATED IN THE, UH, ZONING APPLICATION, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY RECEIVING TRACK WITH THE TDR COMPLIES WITH LOT AREA REQUIREMENTS, UM, EX UNDER SECTION 303 82 A TWO OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
BUT NO PORTION OF THE PERIMETER IS ADJACENT TO A COMMERCIAL OFFICE INDUSTRIAL R THREE OR R FOUR DISTRICT, OR IS ADJACENT TO A DEVELOPMENT CONTAINING AN AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF, UH, 30,000
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SQUARE FEET OR LESS IS REQUIRED UNDER THAT SECTION A FOUR.UM, WHAT IT'S NEXT TO IS 4 22.
UM, SO WE BELIEVE WE MEET THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE.
THE INTENT IS THAT YOU ARE GOING UP AGAINST SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, SOMEWHAT INTENSIVE AND 4 22.
I DON'T THINK YOU GET MORE INTENSIVE THAN 4 22.
SO ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT A COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL USE, IT IS OR OFFICE IT IS AN, UH, IT IS 4 22.
THAT IS ONE RELIEF THAT WE NEED.
WE RECOGNIZE LATER ON THAT THERE'S A SECOND RELIEF THAT WE NEED.
UM, AND I BELIEVE, UH, MR. WIENER HAD EMAILED MR. MURRAY THE ZONING HEARING BOARD SOLICITOR AND MR. GRACE IN REFERENCE TO THIS.
WE HAVE NOT DONE THE LETTER AMENDMENT TO THAT YET.
UM, BUT THE AMENDMENT TO THAT WOULD BE TO, UH, PERMIT THE USE OF THE PROPERTY AS A TDR RECEIVING TRACK BY ADDING A VARIANCE FROM SECTION 3 82 A SIX, WHICH REQUIRES THAT THE SITE BE 85% FREE FROM ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS.
THE SITE IS 56% FREE IN THAT IT HAS WETLANDS AND WOODLANDS.
THE WETLANDS ARE NOT BEING TOUCHED AND NO GREATER AREA OF THE WOODLANDS IS BEING IMPACTED BY THE TDR PLAN AS COMPARED TO THE BUYRIGHT PLAN.
SO WHEN YOU'RE DOING A TDR, YOU HAVE TO SHOW, UH, WHAT THE RECEIVING TRACT WILL LOOK LIKE WITH THE BUYRIGHT PLAN.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING THERE IS WE'RE NOT IMPACTING THE WETLANDS AT ALL AND THE WOODLANDS THE SAME AMOUNT AS BEING IMPACTED BY THE BUYRIGHT VERSUS THE RECEIVING TRACT UNDER THE TDR.
I KNOW THAT'S A LITTLE, IT'S A LOT.
AND, AND THE INTENSITY OF 4 22 NOTWITHSTANDING, I LIVE ABOUT 200 YARDS OUTTA 4 22, BUT YOU'RE SURROUNDED BY OUR ONE NEIGHBORHOODS HERE.
AND, UH, I, I, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DECIDE IS WHETHER WE SHOULD SEND OUR SOLICITOR TO THE ZONING HEARING BOARD TO OPPOSE THIS.
AND I'M GONNA SAY THAT I THINK WE SHOULD OPPOSE IT.
YOU NEED TO, YOU NEED IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T MEET ANY OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR, FOR TRANSFERRING, UH, DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS TO THIS PROPERTY.
SO UNLESS THERE'S ANY OBJECTION FROM ANY ON THE BOARD, I'M GONNA SAY WELL, JUST TO, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT WE JUST DON'T MEET THE TWO, THE, THE, WE DO MEET ALL THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS OF THE TDR.
UH, SO I, I APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T QUITE HEAR WHAT YOU SAID.
SO THE MOTION WAS TO SEND THIS SOLICITOR TO OPPOSE.
AND UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK TO THE SOLICITOR BEFOREHAND, BUT IS THERE ANY SPECIFIC, UH, UH, CRAIG, WHAT YOU, WHAT IS IT THAT, AND IT DOESN'T BELONG HERE.
THIS, THAT, THAT'S THE CONCERN.
THE BOARD THAT DOESN'T BELONG HERE.
THAT WAS A NICE PLAN, BUT THIS IS, UH, TOO CROWDED.
YOU'RE GONNA BE BEHIND, I THINK FOUR HOMES THERE.
THEY'RE KIND OF FAINTING THAT KIND OF GHOSTED IN THERE, BUT THERE'S FOUR LOTS THAT WILL, THAT YOU BACK UP TO HERE THAT ARE ALL AT LEAST AN ACRE.
SO YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A PERFECT PICTURE.
SORRY, SAY THAT LAST THING YOU SAID AGAIN.
I SAID IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE THAT HE JUST PUT UP, YOU CAN SEE THE SIZE OF THE LOTS THAT SURROUND THIS.
AND, UH, MAKING THINGS MORE DENSE ALONG 4 22 IS NOT HELPING ANYTHING.
SO, WELL, YOU CAN JUST, I MEAN, JUST LOOK AT THE MAP HERE.
EVERYTHING'S PRETTY EQUAL SIZE LOTS.
THE FIRST TIME THIS PLANT CAME TO US, THAT'S WHAT WAS PROPOSED AND NOW WE'RE BEING ASKED TO, TO, TO, TO EXTEND THAT.
I AGREE WITH, I AGREE WITH BILL.
SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ACTUALLY VOTE.
THE NEXT IS ALSO BERNA ZONING HEARING BOARD 25 10 FOR UH, EXPO CENTER SIGN AT THE CORNER OF STATION AND EGYPT.
AND, UM, OH, THERE YOU'RE AND ANDY, LAURA AND, UH, MADISON HALON FROM AUDUBON LAND DEVELOPMENT ARE ALSO PRESENT FOR THIS APPLICATION FOR THE EXPO CENTER SIGN.
UH, THIS IS LOCATED AT 1409 EGYPT ROAD PROPERTY OWNED BY MR. DONALD NIELSEN.
AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS RELIEF.
THIS IS A VC O'S, UM, ZONED PROPERTY.
WE'RE ASKING FOR RELIEF UNDER YOUR, UH, SIGN ORDINANCE IN ORDER TO HAVE THE SIGN THAT IS SHOWN ON THE PLAN THAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE.
THERE IS, UM, A DISTANCE BETWEEN TWO SIGNS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR RELIEF FOR AND UH, THIS
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PROPOSED SIGN IS NOT FRONT A CONTROLLED OR SEMI CONTROLLED PUBLIC ROAD 'CAUSE IT'S EGYPT ROAD AND IT WILL BE 378 SQUARE FEET, WHEREAS 300 SQUARE FEET IS PERMITTED.THIS IS SOMEWHAT SIMILAR SIGN TO THE SIGN THAT'S DOWN THE ROAD.
YEAH, THEY'RE DIFFERENT THOUGH.
AND THIS IS, UH, MAINLY TO, UM, OBVIOUSLY ADVERTISE THE EXPO.
WILL IT ADVERTISE, I MEAN, IS THAT, WILL IT ADVERTISE OTHER PLACES TOO OR JUST THE EXPO? UH, THE DIGITAL SIGN IS MAINLY FOR THE EXPO AND THE CABINET SIGNS THAT YOU SEE ABOVE IT, WHICH ARE NOT THE DIGITAL PORTION.
THEY WOULD BE FOR, UH, OTHER AUTOBI LAND DEVELOPMENT ENTITIES IN THE AREA THAT WOULD, UM, BE ADVERTISED ON THERE.
BUT THE EXPO HAS, UH, I THINK THEY'RE OVER, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS THIS MORNING OVER 300.
UM, NOT, NOT SHOWS, BUT THEY'RE, UH, ACTIVE 300 DAYS OF A YEAR.
LIKE THE BOAT SHOW MIGHT BE A WEEK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO MOSTLY THAT DIGITAL SIGN WILL BE FOR WHAT'S COMING TURN HERE FOR THE BOAT SHOW, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
BUT IT MAY ALSO ADVERTISE OTHER UBON.
UM, MY CONCERN WITH THIS ISN'T SO MUCH THE SIGNAGE FOR THE EXPERT CENTER.
THEY HAVE A TEMPORARY SIGN OUT A LOT OF THE YEAR ANYWAY.
THIS WOULD CERTAINLY PRETTY THAT UP AND CLEAN UP.
MY CONCERN IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE EX AT THE CURRENT SIGN, IT'S GOT SIX EMPTY SPOTS, AT LEAST SIX EMPTY SPOTS.
UM, WE'RE PUTTING ANOTHER SIX SPOTS HERE.
I WOULD AT LEAST LIKE THE BOARD OR THE SOLICITOR OR SOME CONDITION PUT FORWARD TO WHO CAN ADVERTISE IN THESE SIGNS.
UM, MY CONCERN ISN'T SO MUCH OFFSITE ADVERTISING FOR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET OR SOMETHING ELSE.
UM, I, I GUESS THE CONCERN IS IF THEY CAN'T FILL UP ONE SIGN, WHAT DO THEY NEED THE SECOND ONE FOR FOUR AT THIS POINT? BUT AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE EXPO CENTER SIGNED AND I SUPPORT THAT.
IT, IT'S THE SIX ADDITIONAL NON-DIGITAL SIGNS THAT I, I I, AND I BROUGHT THIS UP TO ANDY WHEN HE FIRST BROUGHT THE SIGN IN, I QUESTIONED WHAT THOSE WERE VERSUS FOR THE OAKS MARKETPLACE.
AND, AND AT THE TIME HE SAID, WELL THEY'RE, THEY'RE DIFFERENT ENTITIES.
AND I, I DON'T SEE IT THAT WAY.
AND THAT'S MY LIMITATION BECAUSE ONCE YOU GET OFF OF EGYPT ROAD, IT'S ALL OAKS MARKETPLACE TO ME.
I KNOW THE EXPO CENTER IS ONE THING, BUT THAT'S WHAT I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME QUALIFICATION, AT LEAST A SUGGESTION FROM THE BOARD TO THE ZONING HEARING BOARD TO LOOK AT THAT AS POSSIBLE CONDITION FOR THEIR, UM, THEIR APPROVAL.
AND SOMETHING LIKE ZACH WOULD WRITE THAT LETTER IF THAT'S OKAY WITH THE BOARD.
THAT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COME FROM ALL OVER THE REGION TO VISIT THE EXPO CENTER.
I ACTUALLY LIKE THAT THERE'S A SIGN THAT SAYS FROM GREATER PHILADELPHIA EXPO CENTER ON WITH THE NEW ONE.
BUT I, THERE'S NOTHING ON THE OAKS OF, RIGHT.
IS THAT OAKS AT MARKETPLACE? IS THAT WHAT THAT SAYS AT THE TOP? IT'S JUST OAKS MARKETPLACE.
BUT THERE'S NOTHING THERE THAT TELLS YOU THAT THE EX OH, I GUESS THERE IS, THERE'S ONE ONE OF THE LITTLE, OKAY, I GOT IT.
THAT THE ONE, YEAH, THERE IS A SMALL ONE THERE.
UM, AND JEFF DID BRING UP THE CONCERNS ABOUT NOT HAVING DUPLICATES ALONG BOTH SIDES.
AND WE ALREADY AGREEMENT THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE DUPLICATES.
SO THAT SMALL EXPO SIGN WOULD COME DOWN WITH THE LARGER ONE, UH, BETTER VISIBILITY AND BETTER TRAFFIC, UH, CIRCULATION TO SITE.
DO WE PREFER THE TRAFFIC TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD VERSUS THIS ROAD? SO IS IS THAT THE EXPO? EXPO IS THE STATION YOU CAN GO DOWN, EITHER ONE, GO BEHIND LOWE'S OR YOU CAN GO ON THE LEFT SIDE.
YOU COULD, BUT THE SHORTER PREFER TO GO THAT WAY OR? I, I WOULD THINK SO OFF THE STATION.
THE, I THINK FOR GENERAL TRAFFIC PLAN, GOING BACK TO THE VERY BEGINNING WAS TO HAVE STATION AVENUE AS THE MAIN INGRESS EGRESS BECAUSE THE LIGHT IS A BETTER LIGHT.
IT'S, IT'S, AND THEN MILL ROAD BECOMES SORT OF THE BACKUP TO THAT.
SO TO, TO BRING PEOPLE IN OFF OF STATION, WHICH IS THE FARTHER FURTHER DOWN ON STATION VERSUS MILL.
YOU KNOW, AND I LIKE YOUR SUGGESTION.
I, I THINK IT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION, JEFF.
MY, MY ONLY OTHER THOUGHT WOULD BE WE ENCOUNTERED THIS A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN EGYPT ROAD WITH THE KHAR CHURCH THAT WAS BUILT AND THE RESIDENTS CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEIGHT AND THE BRIGHTNESS OF THEIR SIGN.
UM, THEY DID A REALLY NICE JOB MAKING SURE THAT DIDN'T IMPACT THE RESIDENCE.
DO WE KNOW IF THIS SIGN WILL IN, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE HOUSES ACROSS THE STREET OR PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, HOW HIGH IS IT GONNA BE? HOW BRIGHT IS IT? HOW LATE AT NIGHT IS IT GONNA BE AT FAR AND IS IT GONNA BE SHINING IN ANYBODY'S WINDOWS? THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'M NOT SURE OF.
I ONLY ASK THAT MAYBE THE HOUSES ARE FAR ENOUGH AWAY AND THERE'S ENOUGH FOLIAGE THAT THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
SOMETHING WELL, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET YOU HAVE THE, THE DENTAL OFFICE AND AN EMPTY LOT THEN THE POST OFFICE AND WHAT WAS A SMOKE SHOP? I
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THINK IT'S VACANT NOW, RIGHT? UM, I MEAN THERE IS SOME, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE MORE COMMERCIAL ALONG HERE THAN WHEN YOU GET FARTHER DOWN TO WHERE THE, THE MOSQUE IS.WHICH IS ABOUT THERE I THINK MAYBE A LITTLE FARTHER.
BUT, UM, I THINK THAT'S A VALID CONCERN.
JUST AS LONG AS IT'S NOT 30 FEET IN THE AIR, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S, IT'S GOTTA BE WHATEVER THE, WHATEVER THE, THE RULES WERE FOR THE CHURCH ON THE RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD AND THE CHURCH ON THE CAPE CARE.
BECAUSE I'M PROBABLY NOT SAYING THAT RIGHT.
BUT THAT CHURCH ON THE LEFT, THERE WAS CERTAIN RULES ABOUT HEIGHT AND BRIGHTNESS.
KEN VID HEARING BOARD KEN VID ON THE ZONING, ZONING HEARING BOARD IS ON THE RIGHT ZONING HEARING BOARD BECAUSE OF THAT SIGN.
SO I, I'M SURE, I'M SURE HE WILL REMEMBER THAT IF, IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO INCLUDE THAT IN, IN A LETTER FROM ZACH.
AGAIN, I DON'T THINK ZACH NEEDS TO NECESS ATTEND THIS MEETING, BUT ZACH AND I CAN COORDINATE ON A LETTER TO EXPRESS WHAT THE TOWNSHIP'S CONCERNS ARE FOR THE SIGNAGE, FOR THE LIGHTING, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT THE ZONING HEARING BOARD CAN, CAN AT LEAST TAKE UNDER CONSIDERATION.
I THINK IT'S SMART TO HAVE IT THERE.
THERE'S ENOUGH BUSINESS GOING DOWN TO THE EXPO.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE SIGN JUST KIND OF MAKING SURE WE DO IT RIGHT.
I THINK THE CARE WAS A DIFFERENT DISTRICT, SO THE HEIGHT OF THIS SIGN WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN THE HEIGHT OF THE CARE SIGN.
AND, AND IT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, BUT WE CAN, IF YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK BETWEEN NOW AND THE ZONING HEARING BOARD HEARING OF HOW HIGH IT IS VERSUS SOME OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURES AROUND YOU.
YEAH, WE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE ZONING HEARING BOARD.
CAN I JUST GIVE SOME QUICK FEEDBACK ON SOME SAFETY ISSUE BY, FOR THE OAK CENTER? UM, SURE.
UM, SO THE OUTDOOR SPACE THAT YOU HAVE MM-HMM
AND THE PEOPLE WHO PARK AND I THINK THE PARKING LOT IN FRONT OF FEDEX, LIKE, IT'S VERY DANGEROUS AT NIGHT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN THERE'S NO LIKE CROSSING GUARDS OR ANYTHING AND THERE'S NO LIGHTS TO SHOW THAT PEOPLE ARE CROSSING THE STREET.
WE'VE WITNESSED PEOPLE ALMOST GET HIT WHEN WE WENT TO SOME OF THE SHOWS WITH MY SMALL CHILD.
SO I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY PLANS TO IMPROVE THAT FOR THE NIGHT SHOWS, JUST TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE CAN CROSS THAT SAFELY.
I, I, I CAN TAKE THAT BACK TO, TO THE GROUP AND TO TELL 'EM ABOUT YOUR, YOUR CONCERNS.
I, I, YOU KNOW, I GUESS YOU, I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP.
SO THAT WE, WE DON'T NEED ANY ACTION.
YOU NO, I, I'LL COORDINATE WITH ZACH ON, ON A LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING HEARING BOARD.
LAST, BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, WE HAVE, UM, 20 ZONING HEARING BOARD, 25 DASH 11 1 40 KLEIN ROAD, UH, FOR A GARAGE.
AND I'LL HAVE, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S AN ENGINEER OR AN ATTORNEY.
MR. YANOFF HAD AN, WASN'T SURE WHO HE WAS SENDING, SO RIGHT.
AND I APOLOGIZE FOR ANYBODY WHO'S LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING MR. YANOFF, YOU KNOW, TALKING ME.
UH, MY NAME'S BRI HENRY WITH GOLD SEA WALL PARTNERS ON BEHALF OF STANLEY AND RITA ZURK.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE, UH, PLAN, UH, THE CLIENT IS PROPOSING TO BUILD A GARAGE.
UH, WE'RE, WE'RE SEEKING RELIEF, UH, UNDER THE VARIANCE SECTION 300 DASH 15 E, UH, WHICH ALLOWS FOR 2% OF TOTAL COVERAGE FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
UM, IT'S RELATIVELY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
I HAVE ENGINEER HERE, UH, JASON KZA, WHO CAN ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THIS STRUCTURE.
WHERE IS THIS AT? IT'S 1 41 84.
AND THIS WOULD BE FOR THE USE OF THE RESIDENT? UH, CORRECT.
NOW, HOW MANY BUILDINGS? SO YOU HAVE AN EXISTING GARAGE AND THIS IS GOING TO ATTACH TO IT? YES, I'M GETTING THERE.
SO IT TAKES A LITTLE WHILE ACTUALLY.
SO IT'S THE HOUSE WITH ALL THE DORMERS HERE AND THEN THE GARAGE ON THE RIGHT.
YOU'RE JUST EXTENDING THAT GARAGE BACK? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND IT'LL BE LARGER THAN THE, THE, THE, THE NEW GARAGE OR EXTENSION ROOF.
IT'S BE LARGER NOW THAN THE EXISTING GARAGE.
AND WHAT IS THIS FOR? STORAGE VEHICLES? ARE THEY MUSEUM QUALITY? UH, CLASSIC CARS? IS IT KIND TRACKED? NO, IT'S, IT'S, NO, IT'S, AND YOU, IT'S OPERATE SECURITY OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL ALARMED THERE, BUT IT SITS IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
YOU DON'T EVEN SEE IT FROM KLEIN ROAD.
CAN YOU DO ME A FAVOR AND JUST
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GIMME YOUR NAME? I'M SORRY.AND COULD YOU REPEAT FOR, I'M SORRY, YOU SAID MR. ATTORNEY, YOU SAID IT REALLY FAST.
WHAT IT IS, IT'S UH, THE EXISTING GARAGE THAT'S THERE, WE PUT UP, UM, WHEN WE PUT THAT UP, WE PUT IT UP TO THE, UH, I GUESS WHATEVER THE MAXIMUM WAS, THE, THE 2% OR WHATEVER.
UM, THIS, THIS IS AN EXTENSION OF THAT.
'CAUSE MY COLLECTION GREW AND I HAVE THEM STORED OTHER PLACES.
AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, IT SITS IN THE VERY BACK OF THE PROPERTY AND IT SITS RIGHT NEXT TO MY ONE NEIGHBOR, UM, WHO, UH, FRANK AND LISA WHO ARE NOT OPPOSED TO DOING THIS.
OUR UNDERSTANDING IS STILL EITHER PROVIDE A LETTER OR APPEAR.
ARE YOU TO EXTEND THE DRIVEWAY ALSO? NO, NO.
THIS IS JUST, IT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE CUTTING INTO THE EXISTING GARAGE AND ATTACHING THIS BUILDING TO IT.
AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ENTER THAT THROUGH THE, WHATEVER, WHATEVER'S THERE NOW IS WHAT'S GONNA BE THERE.
WE'RE JUST ADDING THOSE CARS TO OUR CAR SHOP.
CONSIDER RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 31 AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF A FEE.
SIMPLE DEED CONVEYING A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY AT 1601 SOUTH COLLINSVILLE ROAD TO PENNOCK AS RIGHT OF WAY.
I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THIS OR THE NEXT ONE.
SO CAN YOU SHOW ME WHAT THAT IT ROAD IS? YES.
SOUTH VILLE WAS BACK IN OUR HELICOPTER.
YEAH, THE TORCH READY FOR THE RIDE.
THIS IS, THIS IS PART OF THE GALMAN DEVELOPMENT AND ALLISON CAN PROBABLY SPEAK TO MORE SPECIFICS THAN 92, BUT IT'S GENERALLY PROPERTY ALONG THIS PORTION OF COLLEGEVILLE ROAD THAT WE'VE ALREADY ACQUIRED.
BUT BECAUSE THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE GOING TO BE IN THE PENNDOT RIGHT AWAY, AND IT'S PENN, RIGHT.
WE'RE GIVING THE LAND TO PENNDOT.
THE LAND WAS ACQUIRED THROUGH EMINENT DOMAIN.
THE TOWNSHIP DIDN'T PAY A SINGLE PENNY FOR IT.
GALMAN PAID FOR EVERYTHING, CORRECT? YES.
THIS IS REALLY ADMINISTRATIVE ON OUR PART.
WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE, THE EMINENT DOMAIN.
WE'RE JUST SORT OF, WE'RE THE MIDDLEMAN.
SO WE'RE HANDING IT OFF TO THEM.
ANYTHING, ANYTIME PEN DOT'S WILLING TO FIX SOMETHING IN THIS TOWNSHIP.
I, I CAN'T PROMISE THAT THEY'RE FIXING SO
UM, I MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 31 AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF A FEE.
SIMPLE DE CONVEYING A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY AT 1601 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD TO PENN.AS A RIGHT OF WAY.
AND I BELIEVE THE NEXT ONE IS THE SAME SORT OF DEAL.
SAME THING, JUST DIFFERENT AREA.
CAN YOU SHOW ME JUST, IT'S JUST UP THE ROAD.
IT IT IS THE SAME GENERAL AREA.
IS IT FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD? THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SOUTH COLLEGE HILL.
SO IS ALREADY OUR PROPERTY THAT WE'RE JUST GIVING YES.
TAKING IT FROM ANYBODY OR, WELL, I WASN'T M 1814 M AND H, THE ONE THAT IN OKAY.
1814 IS BETWEEN THE, THE YERKEY STATION SITE AND PERKIER WOODS.
AND IF YOU LOOK IN THE, UH, IN THE PACKET, THE DEED IS IN THERE AND IT HAS A PLAN SHOWING, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE EDGE OF THE, THE YUR STATION PROPERTY WITH THE, THE PART, THE PROPOSED PARKING LOT AREA.
A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 32 AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF THE FEE.
SIMPLE DEED CONVEYING A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY AT 1814 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD.
YOU ANYONE OPPOSED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND OUR LAST PIECE OF BUSINESS IS, UH, A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 33 TO CONSIDER AUTHORIZING FUNDING SUPPORT FOR HISTORIC TRAPS 250TH CELEBRATION ACTIVITIES.
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AND, UH, BUT WE NEVER VOTED.AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IS $50,000 TOTAL.
10,000 THE FIRST YEAR AND THEN 20 IN THE NEXT 2 5 2 FOLLOWING YEARS.
I BELIEVE WE PROVIDED MORE OF A BREAKDOWN.
EMILY SNUFF, UM, WITH MY COLLEAGUE LISA MINOR, WE PROVIDED A BREAKDOWN OF THE DIFFERENT SPONSORSHIP LEVELS FOR MUNICIPALITIES, UM, PER AND TOWNSHIP AND TRAP BOROUGH ARE BOTH IN AT THE KEYSTONE SPONSORSHIP LEVEL OF $20,000 OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS.
SO THEY'RE PROVIDING $10,000 THIS YEAR, UM, TO GET US OFF THE GROUND.
THIS IS A MULTI-YEAR INITIATIVE.
SO EVEN THOUGH THE, UM, PRIMARY 250TH ANNIVERSARY IS IN 2026 FOR THE ANNIVERSARY OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, UM, MUCH OF THE SORT OF HIS HISTORICAL, THE REVOLUTION COMES TO THIS AREA IS GONNA HAPPEN IN 2027.
SO THAT'S WHY THIS IS A MULTI-YEAR PROJECT.
WE ARE NOT EXPECTING A FULL AMOUNT UPFRONT, BUT WE NEED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY TO GET OFF THE GROUND.
UM, AND THEN, UH, TO, TO SUSTAIN THROUGH, UM, THE THREE YEARS, AND YOU CAN SEE THE BENEFITS TO RESIDENTS INCLUDING FREE ADMISSION, UM, AT HISTORIC TRAP.
THAT BENEFIT ALONE EXCEEDS THE $25,000 TOTAL AMOUNT FOR PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP.
UM, AND THERE ARE ALL OTHER BENEFITS AS WELL, UM, GEARED TOWARDS LOCALS AS WELL AS VISITORS COMING FROM OUT OF TOWN.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR US TO BE AT THE KEYSTONE LEVEL, 25,010.
10 NOW SEED MONEY THAN 15 NEXT YEAR.
GIVEN THE SIZE OF UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP, WE WOULD PREFER THE $50,000 LEVEL OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS.
UM, AS I SAID, TRAP AND PERKIOMEN ARE MUCH SMALLER MUNICIPALITIES AND THEREIN AT THE 25,000.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A SORT OF, UH, COHERENT REGION STRETCHING FROM VALLEY FORGE ALL THE WAY UP TO GREEN LANE PARK, UM, INCORPORATING GREEN SPACES AS WELL AS HISTORIC SITES AND ENTERTAINMENT SPACES.
SO, UM, THIS IS A MULTIDIMENSIONAL, UM, INITIATIVE THAT WE'RE LEADING.
IF I MIGHT ADD TO WHAT EMILY'S SAYING, WE ARE APPROACHING, OF COURSE, OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.
SO WE'RE MEETING WITH LOWER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP, UM, ON THURSDAY EVENING OF THIS WEEK IN COLLEGEVILLE BOROUGH AND, YOU KNOW, MANY OTHERS TO COME.
BUT THE, THE TOTAL FUNDRAISING GOAL IS ACTUALLY ABOUT A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, WHICH IS MAINLY TO SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, MUSEUM EDUCATION, STAFF PROGRAMMING, UM, YOU KNOW, TRAVELING, TRAVELING, EXHIBITIONS, ALL KINDS OF THINGS TO ATTRACT OVER A MILLION TOURISTS TO OUR, YOU KNOW, GREATER PHILADELPHIA VALLEY FORGE REGION OVER THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS.
UM, SO IT'S A REALLY SUBSTANTIVE, SUBSTANTIVE EFFORT.
UM, SO WHEN WE SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ASKING FOR 25,000 OR $50,000, JUST PLEASE KNOW THAT THAT'S BY NO MEANS THE WHOLE BUDGET THAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO FUND, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PROJECT.
AND AS EMILY SAID, IF ACTUALLY IF ONLY 10% OF, UH, UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP RESIDENTS CAME ONCE TO OUR EVENTS FOR FREE IN EXCHANGE FOR WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY CHARGE FOR THAT ADMISSION, THAT'S ALREADY OVER $25,000 BENEFIT TO THE TOWNSHIP FOR JUST 10% COMING ONCE.
AND THIS IS OVER A COUPLE YEARS.
JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS, UM, SO STARTING NOW TO GET THE WEBSITE, THE MARKETING, EVERYTHING IN PLACE, UM, REALLY BEGINNING IN EARNEST NEXT YEAR.
WE HAVE SOME POSTCARDS THAT DETAIL, SO STRETCHING FROM THE SUMMER OF 2026 THROUGH THE WINTER OF 20 27, 28.
AND OUR NEXT STEP AFTER GETTING THE DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES ON BOARD, REALLY DEFINING THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AS THE PROCUREMENT VALLEY.
THE NAME OF THE INITIATIVE IS PROCUREMENT VALLEY TWO 50, UM, WILL BE TO GO TO NONPROFIT SPONSORS GETTING OTHER HISTORIC SITES, UM, AND AND NONPROFIT GROUPS IN THE MIX.
UM, AS WELL AS LOCATING CORPORATE SPONSORS, UM, LOOKING TO BUSINESSES IN THE AREA WHO WOULD BENEFIT FROM THE MARKETING POTENTIAL AS WELL AS SIMILAR PERKS TO WHAT WE'VE LAID OUT HERE FOR MUNICIPALITIES.
SO THE BREAKDOWN THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS 10 THIS YEAR, 20 NEXT YEAR, AND 20 THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
THAT WOULD HELP TO SUSTAIN OUR EFFORTS ACROSS THE, UH, EACH OF THE YEARS.
WILL YOU COME BACK AND SHARE THE THINGS THAT ARE GONNA HAPPEN WITH THIS MONEY AND
WELL, IF, IF WE WERE TO, UM, SECURE A FINDING FOUNDING SPONSORSHIP FROM, UM, UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP, UM, WE WOULD HAVE LAWN SIGNS FOR YOU TO PUT OUT AT, UM, THE DIFFERENT TOWNSHIP BUILDINGS AND PARKS, WHICH WOULD HAVE A QR CODE DIRECTING PEOPLE TO THE WEBSITE.
WE WOULD SEND OUT MAILERS TO RESIDENTS, GIVING THEM INFORMATION ABOUT THE BENEFITS FOR THEM AND UPCOMING MAJOR EVENTS.
WE WOULD PROMOTE THINGS LIKE COMMUNITY DAYS AND, YOU KNOW, CONCERT SERIES IN THE SUMMER.
UM, AND CREATE A SORT OF, UM, TWO 50TH FLARE TO EVERYTHING THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING.
UM, AND MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW OF, OF THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING BOTH AT THE STARK LEVEL, BUT ALSO IN GREEN SPACES, UM, AND ENTERTAINMENT.
UM, WE'VE, AT OUR DIFFERENT PLANNING MEETINGS, TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MOVIES, CONCERTS, ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT COULD TAKE ON THIS, UM, TWO 50TH SORT OF FLAVOR, UM, OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
NEED A MOTION PLEASE? UM, I'LL MAKE MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 33 TO
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CONSIDER AUTHORIZING FUNDING FOR, FOR HISTORIC PERHAPS 250TH CELEBRATION ACTIVITIES.I'LL, I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.
ALRIGHT, NEXT WE COME TO MANAGER AND DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS.
I'M ASK FOR A TWO MINUTE WE'LL,
[MANAGER AND DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS]
GO AHEAD TIM, YOU'RE GOOD.JUST SOME, UH, QUICK RAPID FIRE UPDATES.
UH, BILL, UH, THE FIRST ONE'S ON THE BUDGET UPDATE.
WANTED TO MAKE SURE THIS IS ALL ON EVERYBODY'S, UH, RADAR SCREEN.
AND THIS IS THE WORKING TIMELINE THAT WE HAVE THIS YEAR.
UH, WE WE'RE, UM, FINANCE TEAM'S BEEN GETTING AN EARLY START ON THE BUDGET PROCESS WITH THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND 2026 REQUESTS, UH, DURING THE MONTH OF AUGUST, UH, PROBABLY THE LATTER PART OF THIS MONTH.
AND, AND THIS MONTH OF SEPTEMBER, UM, MY OFFICE WILL BE REVIEWING THE REQUESTS, UM, TO ALIGN WITH BOS GOALS AND PARAMETERS BASED ON SOME DISCUSSIONS I'VE HAD WITH THE BOARD.
AND THEN, UH, WE LEARNED FROM LAST YEAR'S EXP UH, EXPERIENCE TO GET THE, UH, BUDGET WORKSHOPS ADVERTISE EARLY.
SO WE ADVERTISE THESE WORKSHOPS DURING THE REORGS.
SO JUST MAKE A NOTE OF, UH, THE WORKSHOP ONE IS ON SEPTEMBER 25TH, UM, AND THE 30TH, UH, WORKSHOP TWO AND OCTOBER 7TH WOULD BE THE, THE FINAL WORKSHOP.
WE'RE, UH, REVIEWING, UH, WE'LL BE REVIEWING, UH, TAKING ALL THAT INFORMATION, BE REVIEWING THAT ON THE 2025 PRELIMINARY BUDGET DRAFT.
IT'S A LITTLE MORE, UH, CHALLENGING THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REFERENDUM.
SO WE'LL HAVE KIND OF A, A BUDGET A AND A BUDGET B.
UM, NOVEMBER 4TH WILL BE THE VOTING DAY, UH, FOR THE OPEN SPACE, UH, BUDGET REFERENDUM, DEPENDING ON THE RESULTS OF THAT.
UM, INCORPORATE A LOT OF THAT.
AND WE'LL HAVE A REVISED, UM, PRELIMINARY BUDGET, UH, REVIEW ON THE BOARD'S MEETING IN ON NOVEMBER 17TH.
UH, WE'LL PUT IN AUTHORIZED THE LEGAL ADVERTISEMENT FOR THE 20 DAY REVIEW PERIOD, AND THEN WHAT THAT 20 DAY TAKES US INTO, UH, DECEMBER 8TH, UM, AND HAVE THE BUDGET ADOPTED.
UM, AND, UH, HOPEFULLY WE WON'T HAVE TO GO INTO CLOSE, CLOSER TO CHRISTMAS.
WE DON'T HAVE TO, BUT, UM, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PUT THIS TO BED.
UM, ONE OF THE OTHER ITEMS THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS THE, UH, OPEN SPACE, UH, REFERENDUM, UM, INFORMATION WORKSHOPS.
I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH KATE RAMAN FROM THE NATURAL LAND TRUST.
UM, ON A COUPLE OF, UM, UH, WORKSHOP, WE'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE DOING TWO PUBLIC INFORMATION, UM, WORKSHOPS AND GIVEN THE TIMEFRAMES WITH A LOT OF THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS, OTHER MEETINGS, I TALKED TO JEFF, UH, AND BILL AND BILL, UH, THIS MORNING ON, UM, TRYING TO HAVE THIS IN TANDEM WITH A, UH, A, A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND A, UH, PARK AND RECREATION BOARD MEETING.
UH, AS FAR AS THIS, UH, WORKSHOP, I WILL BE IN ATTENDANCE AT BOTH OF THOSE MEETINGS TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE IMPACT.
A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS WE'RE GETTING FROM PEOPLE IS, HOW DOES THIS IMPACT MY TAX BILL? AND AS YOU KNOW, EVERY HOUSE IS DIFFERENT.
EVERY, EVERY, UH, PROPERTY HAS A DIFFERENT APPRAISAL.
SO, UM, I'M GONNA TRY TO BE THERE TO, YOU KNOW, ANSWER FACTUAL QUESTIONS.
THIS ONE WILL NOT BE ADVOCACY.
UH, IT'LL BE BASICALLY BE TRYING TO, UM, UH, EXPLAIN WHAT THE MONEY, WHAT THE PROCEEDS WOULD BE USED FOR, THE TYPES OF PROJECTS THAT WOULD BE AUTHORIZED.
SO, TIM, CAN YOU PUT SOME OF THAT ON THE WEBSITE? YES.
JUST SO PEOPLE CAN HAVE PLACE? YEAH.
UM, ONCE THOSE DATES ARE FINALIZED.
AND THEN I MEANT MORE LIKE SPECIFICS OF, YOU KNOW, EXAMPLES OF, THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, WHETHER WE CAN PUT A CALCULATOR, SOME TYPE OF TAX CALCULATOR THAT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT.
SO WHAT I WAS GONNA DO IS ENCOURAGE PEOPLE, UM, IF THEY HAVE A QUESTION ON THE IMPACT OF THEIR PARTICULAR PROPERTY, JUST GIVE ME A CALL.
UH, AND WE'LL, UH, WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO MAYBE WE PUBLIC A RANGE LIKE STUFF YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT.
LIKE ASSUMING IF THE OBEDIENT HOUSEHOLD, UH, WE CAN DO THAT.
THAT'S HOW WE DO ON, ON THE BUDGET.
SO ALSO, WE PUT A, HOLD ON, WE PUT A HOLD ON THE NEWSLETTER FOR ABOUT TWO WEEKS.
'CAUSE I WANT TO, I'M, I'M PERSONALLY GONNA WRITE THE ARTICLE ON THE, UM, OPEN SPACE, UM, UM, UM, REFERENDUM AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHAT, WHAT, TRYING TO TAKE THE, THE LANGUAGE AND THE BALLOT LANGUAGE ITSELF CAN BE CONFUSING.
WHAT I WANTED TO DO IS TRY TO, UM, UM, UM, MAKE IT SIM MORE SIMPLE FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND AND WHAT THE IMPACT IS.
AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE, UM, OF THE NEWSLETTER.
SO I'M TRYING TO GET THE NEWSLETTER, THE WEBSITE, AND THESE INFORMATION SESSIONS,
[02:25:01]
UM, ORGANIZED, UM, PROBABLY SOMETIME IN EARLY OCTOBER.AND, UM, JEFF'S GONNA BE IN TOUCH WITH KATE RAMIN FROM THE LAST TRUST TO FINALIZE THOSE DATES.
UM, BILL, THE GRANTS UPDATE, I WAS GONNA HOLD OFF AND I'LL HAVE AN UPDATE IN THE MHR GIVEN THE LATENESS OF THE HOUR.
THERE'S A LOT OF GRANTS TO GO THROUGH.
AND, UM, LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE HERE? THE COG I'M SAYING DO THAT TODAY TOO.
OR THE, UH, REGIONAL COG INITIATIVE.
I'LL ALSO HAVE AN UPDATE IN THE MHR, OUR DCD TECHNICAL CONSULTANT.
WE HAD A MEETING PLANNED FOR THIS AUGUST BASED ON VACATION SCHEDULES.
WE'RE GONNA TRY TO HAVE, UH, OUR FACILITATOR OUT IN THE LATTER PART OF SEPTEMBER, AND I'M WORKING WITH THAT PERSON IN GETTING SOME ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS WITH, UM, LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIALS.
AND I'LL BE GETTING, I'D LIKE TO MAYBE SOME, UM, PARTICIPANTS FROM THE BOARD, UM, ON THAT INITIATIVE.
THERE'S A LOT OF, WE'RE, THERE'S JUST SOME GOOD TIMELINES, UH, AS FAR AS THE REGIONAL PROCESS WITH OUR BUDGET.
UM, AND TO SEE ARE THERE ANY TYPES OF PROGRAMS THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME BENEFITS THAT WE, UM, UM, SHOW THE COSTS WITH OTHER TOWNS.
NOT TALKING FIRE PLACE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
JUST VERY LOW HANGING, LOW HANGING FRUIT.
AND, UM, I THINK BRIAN HAS AN UPDATE ON THE FEMA
UH, SO ON THE SCREEN WE HAVE, NOW IT'S GIVING ME TROUBLE,
UH, CHUGA RIVER, UM, ACROSS THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN AND ON THE TOP RIGHT CORNER, UH, WE HAVE AN INSET OF THE PERCUMIN CREEK, UH, WHICH IS, UM, LOWER INDIAN HEAD ROAD AND NORTH AND SOUTH RIVER ROAD.
UM, THIS IS A AREA OF PRODUCE JUNCTION IN MONTCLAIR RIGHT IN HERE.
UM, BASICALLY I HIGHLIGHTED ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT THAT TOWNSHIP OWNED ALREADY IN GREEN.
SO ANYTHING IN GREEN IS EXISTING, UH, TOWNSHIP OWNED PROPERTY THAT IS ESSENTIALLY OPEN SPACE.
UM, OF THE REMAINING PROPERTIES ON THERE, THOSE IN RED, OF WHICH THERE ARE 33, UH, WE ACQUIRED USING FEMA DOLLARS.
UH, THE, THE REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION COSTS FOR THE FEMA PROGRAM, OF WHICH THERE WERE SIX GRANTS TOTALED, UH, $9.4 MILLION.
UM, THOSE HIGHLIGHTED IN PINK WERE PROPERTIES THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, AGREED TO ACQUIRE.
GENERALLY SPEAKING, THERE WEREN'T HOMES LOCATED ON THEM, SO FEMA WOULD NOT OFFER THEM A BUYOUT.
LOTS OF THE, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AGREED TO PURCHASE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
UM, AND THERE WERE 21 HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE, WHICH WERE PEOPLE THAT WERE ORIGINALLY IN ONE OF THE FEMA PROGRAMS AND DROPPED OUT BEFORE THEY WENT TO CLOSING WITH US.
UH, AND REMAINING FROM THOSE OF THE SIX PROPERTIES HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, WHO CHOSE TO ELEVATE THEIR HOME ON THEIR OWN AT THEIR EXPENSE, THERE WAS NO FEMA BOARD TOWNSHIP MONEY INVOLVED IN THOSE, UH, ELEVATION PROJECTS.
UM, IN TOTAL, WE ACQUIRED 39 PROPERTIES SINCE IDA IN SEPTEMBER OF 2021, AND WE ADDED ABOUT FOUR, JUST UNDER 14 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE TO THE TOWNSHIP'S, UH, EXISTING INVENTORY OF OPEN SPACE.
UM, HOPE TO CLOSE OUT ALL THESE GRANTS BY DECEMBER, THOUGH IT MAY RUN INTO THE NEXT YEAR BY THE TIME WE HAVE ALL THE CLOSEOUT MEETINGS WITH PIMA REPRESENTATIVES.
UH, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A SNAPSHOT OF WHERE WE STAND.
UH, IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD THANKS TO THE RESIDENTS WHO STAYED IN THE PROGRAM.
IT WAS, UH, DIFFICULT FOR THEM.
THEY WAITED A LONG, LONG TIME FOR THOSE FEDERAL DOLLARS TO SHOW IN HERE.
[CONSULTANT REPORTS]
UH, ENGINEERING AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT UPDATES.UM, REAL FAST, JUST AN UPDATE ON THE GREENWOOD AVENUE, UM, STREAM BANK RESTORATION.
I MET WITH, UH, WB HOMES AND PICKERING VALLEY WHO PLANTED THE LIVE STAKES OUT THERE.
THEY'RE GONNA DO A LITTLE BIT OF REPAIR WORK AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE DEP OUT THERE.
UM, THE DEADLINE FOR THIS PROJECT, YOU'VE SHOWN ACTIVE CONSTRUCTION BEFORE SEPTEMBER, 2025, SO YOU'RE GOOD TO GO.
FINAL REPORTING TO DEP WILL HAPPEN IN SEPTEMBER OF 2026.
AND, UH, OUR MONTHLY RELEASE OF ESCROW FUNDS, AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND DO THIS.
I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MONTHLY DEVELOPER IMPROVEMENT GUARANTEE REDUCTION LIST AS FOLLOWS.
ITEM A GAMBONE PROVIDENCE BUSINESS
[02:30:01]
PARK, THREE LLC, RELEASE NUMBER SEVEN IN THE AMOUNT OF $6,395 AND 59 CENTS.ITEM BH FRAZIER AT PROVIDENCE BUSINESS PARK.
RELEASE NUMBER 10 IN THE AMOUNT OF $57,054 AND 24 CENTS.
ANYONE OPPOSED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[SOLICITOR REPORT]
ANYTHING TO REPORT? OH, YES, YES.I HAVE ONE, UH, ONE LAST ITEM TO DISCUSS.
UM, SO, UH, WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH CHIEF FREEMAN.
UH, I'VE PUT TOGETHER A DRAFT ORDINANCE RELATED TO THE USE OF, UH, E-BIKES AND OTHER MOTORIZED, UH, NON-CAR TRUCKS, BUSES, VANS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
ANY, ANY DEVICE OTHER THAN THAT THAT WOULD BE OPERATING WITHIN A TOWNSHIP PARK OR ON TOWNSHIP, UH, CONTROLLED RIGHT OF WAYS.
UM, THE DRAFT, THE ORDINANCE IS INCLUDED WITH THE PACKET.
UH, ESSENTIALLY IT JUST SETS RULES AND REGULATIONS AROUND THE USE OF THOSE TYPES OF, UH, DEVICES.
SO IT WOULD BE SCOTERS, UM, GO-KARTS.
UH, THERE'S A WHOLE DEFINITION.
GO-KARTS, SNOWMOBILES, UM, MOTORIZED SCOOTERS AND SKATEBOARDS, MINIBIKES, ALL TERRAIN VEHICLES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT MIGHT BE OP MIGHT NOT BE OPERATED ON THE ROADWAY, BUT MIGHT BE OPERATED ON SIDEWALKS AND PATHWAYS, TRAILS WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP OWNED, UH, OWNED PARKS.
UH, AND THIS ORDINANCE JUST AMENDS THE RULES AND REGULATIONS RELATED TO PARKS IN CHAPTER 2 0 9, THE PARKS AND RECREATION AREAS OF THE TOWNSHIP CODE.
UM, THIS DRAFT OF THE ORDINANCE HAS BEEN VETTED BY CHIEF FREEMAN AND, AND HIS OFFICERS, UH, AND I THINK STAFF HAS HAD NOT OPPORTUNITY LOOKED AT IT.
AND THIS EVENING WE'RE LOOKING FOR A, UH, AUTHORIZATION TO PUBLISH NOTICE OF THE ORDINANCE AND WITH HOPES OF ADOPTING IT AT THE, UH, NEXT MEETING.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS, SO ESSENTIALLY BRINGS US TO MIND WITH WHAT THE COUNTY HAS ALREADY DONE IN THEIR OWN PARTS, CORRECT? YES.
I MEAN, CHIEF FREEMAN APPROACHED ME AND SAID THAT HE WAS INTERESTED IN, UH, THE TOWNSHIP LOOKING INTO SOME SORT OF REGULATION LIKE THIS.
UM, I DID A SEARCH OF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN THE AREA AND THE COUNTY, UH, YOU'LL ACTUALLY NOTE, I NOTE THAT I SAW A NEWS ARTICLE THE OTHER DAY ABOUT THE COUNTY INCREASING THE PENALTY FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE, ARE OPERATING THESE TYPES OF DEVICES, UH, AGAINST THE RULES IN THEIR, IN THEIR PARKS AND TRAILS.
UM, SO IT, IT'S KIND OF A HOT TOPIC, I THINK, WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT GROUPS AT THE MOMENT.
UM, BUT YEAH, THIS, THIS IS IN LINE WITH OTHER ORDINANCES FOR OTHER TOWNSHIPS, BOROUGHS, AND THE COUNTY ITSELF.
I THINK WE ALL SAW THE ORDINANCE THAT ZACH SENT AROUND.
I'LL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE ADVERTISEMENT OF AN ORDINANCE REGULATED IN THE USE OF RECREATIONAL MOTORIZED VEHICLES.
ANYONE OPPOSED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[SUPERVISORS COMMENTS]
SUPERVISORS COMMENTS.JEFF GAVE US A PREVIEW AMPS FOR KIDS, BUT ONE VERY UNIQUE CAMP WRAPPED UP TODAY IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
AS MADELINE WRIGHT SHOWS US, IT FOCUSES ON EMERGENCY SERVICES.
CAPTAIN EMERSON BOYER, 15-YEAR-OLD EMERSON BOYER SAYS SHE'S ALWAYS ADMIRED FIRST RESPONDERS THIS WEEK.
SHE GOT TO WALK IN THEIR SHOES.
I THINK THAT LIKE ALL THE POLICE EMSF FIRE, THEY ALL WORKED TOGETHER, WHICH IS PRETTY COOL.
AND I DON'T THINK I EVER REALIZED THAT EMERSON WAS ONE OF 20 YOUNG CADETS WHO GRADUATED FROM THE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIPS EMERGENCY SERVICES ACADEMY.
IT WAS A WEEK LONG SUMMER CAMP FOR KIDS, AGES 10 TO 15.
YOU LEARNED HOW TO USE A FIRE EXTINGUISHER AND PUT OUT FIRE FROM ADMINISTERING FIRST AID TO BOARDING A MEDICAL HELICOPTER AND MAKING A SIMULATED RIVER RESCUE.
THE CAMP PACKED IN REAL WORLD TRAINING.
AND EMERSON TOLD ME SHE FORMED A SPECIAL BOND WITH HER MENTOR POLICE OFFICER, ASHLEY GATA.
I ASKED HER A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT HER WORK AND, UM, I REALLY ENJOY WHAT SHE DOES AND APPRECIATE WHAT SHE DOES.
AND I SAW A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH THE PROGRAM, SHE CAME UP TO ME AND SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, CAN GIRLS BE ON SWAT? AND I SAID, ABSOLUTELY.
FOR PARENTS IN THE CROWD, GRADUATION DAY OFFERED A GLIMPSE INTO WHO THEIR KIDS ARE BECOMING.
EMERSON'S DAD SAYS SHE'S WALKING AWAY MORE CONFIDENT THAN EVER.
WE JUST HAD AN INCIDENT LAST NIGHT AT OUR CHURCH WHERE SOMEONE FELL AND SHE WAS ALSO ABLE TO HELP THEM OUT.
THE TOWNSHIP CREATED THIS CAMP IN RESPONSE TO A NATIONAL SHORTAGE OF POLICE OFFICERS, FIREFIGHTERS, AND EMTS.
AND TO ENCOURAGE YOUNG PEOPLE TO GET INVOLVED, TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO TRY THE THINGS THAT WE DO, UH,
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IS, IS SO IMPORTANT FOR EMERSON.IT WASN'T JUST A SUMMER CAMP, IT WAS A LIFE CHANGING EXPERIENCE.
UM, I WANNA BE A SWAT MEDIC, SO I'LL PROBABLY END UP HERE SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE.
HOPEFULLY ORGANIZERS SAY THEY'RE ALREADY PLANNING NEXT YEAR'S CAMP AND HOPE IT CONTINUES TO GROW IN UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP.
MADELINE WRIGHT, CBS NEWS PHILADELPHIA.
I JUST WANT TO SHARE THAT MY, ALL MY COMMENT IS THANK YOU.
I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT IT WAS THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND OUR DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY SERVICES THAT PRIMARILY PUT THIS TOGETHER.
AND I WANNA THANK ALL EVERYBODY AT THE TOWNSHIP.
IT, IT WAS A BIG WEEK, BUT IT'S FANTASTIC.
AND I WAS HERE FRIDAY FOR THEIR GRADUATION.
IT'S A LOT MORE FUN THAN THE MEETING TONIGHT, I CAN TELL YOU THAT.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? ALRIGHT,
[UPCOMING EVENTS]
I'LL GO OVER THE, UH, UPCOMING EVENTS.ORDER SUPERVISORS MEETING SCHEDULED SEPTEMBER 15TH, 7:00 PM UH, BUDGET WORKSHOP, SEPTEMBER 25TH, 7:00 PM ANOTHER WORK BUDGET WORKSHOP, SEPTEMBER 30TH AT 7:00 PM OUR REGULAR MEETING OCTOBER 7TH AT 7:00 PM UH, AND THEN I THINK THAT OCTOBER 20TH IS A BUDGET WORKSHOP, TWO 7:00 PM OR IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
SEVEN IS THE BUDGET WORKSHOP, OCTOBER 7TH, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING A, UH, AUGUST 20TH 7:00 PM UH, AGENDA ITEMS ARE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ACTION ITEMS AND RIDGE PIKE ZONING AND TRAFFIC SAFETY.
THE AGENDA ITEMS, UH, ARE 5 92 SOUTH MENNONITE ROAD AND CONDITIONAL USE.
AND, UH, EMORY MANOR SEVEN LOT SUBDIVISION AND ENVIRONMENT.
ENVI ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL MEETING IS SEPTEMBER 7TH AT 6:00 PM AUCTION AND REC MEETS SEPTEMBER 10TH AT 6:00 PM THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY MEETING IS OCTOBER 2ND AT 7:00 PM THE ZONING HEARING BOARD IS CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR THREE SESSIONS.
OCTOBER 26TH, UH, APPLICATION 29 0 9.
THAT'S, UH, 4 25 SOUTH MENNONITE ROAD TRANSFER OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS.
UH, SEPTEMBER 2ND, THEY'LL HEAR THE EXPO CENTER SIGN, UH, VARIANCE IN A KLINE ROAD BUILDING COVER VARIANCE IN SEPTEMBER 9TH MENNONITE ROAD, SPECIAL EXCEPTION FROM PICKLE MALL.
UH, UNIFORM CONSTRUCTION CODE BOARD OF APPEALS.
WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THESE
I'M SORRY, BILL, IF I COULD INTERRUPT.
THAT'S AT ONE O'CLOCK, NOT SEVEN O'CLOCK.
SO I I THE INCORRECT SLIDE, IS IT, IS IT HELD IN THIS ROOM? IT IS HELD IN THIS ROOM.
UM, COMMUNITY FALL FEST, UH, SEPTEMBER 20TH.
AND THAT'S FROM 12 NOON TILL 5:00 PM RIGHT HERE AT THE BLACKROCK CAMPUS.
AND WITH THAT, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.
WHAT IS THE PICKLEBALL, UH, MEAN ON SEPTEMBER 9TH? WHAT IS THAT? IS THE MEETING TURN THAT ON? UM, 5 92 SOUTH MITE ROAD.
WE HAVE THE AGRI, UM, THIS IS SORT OF THE SECOND PORTION OF IT.
THEY STILL HAVE TO GO TO AGRI AND GET THE CONDITIONAL USE, WHICH WILL BE AT YOUR SEPTEMBER BOARD MEETING.
PICKLEBALL IS, IS A ZONING HEARING BOARD SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
SO THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS WITH THEM.
THEY CAN'T DO THE WHOLE THING IF THEY DON'T GET APPROVAL FROM BOTH BODIES.
WILL WE HEAR ANY OF THE PICKLE LAW STUFF AT OUR BOARD MEETING? IT WILL BE RELATED.
I MEAN, IT WILL, OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT FORMALLY YOUR OBLIGATION TO HEAR BECAUSE IT'S THE ZONING HEARING BOARD, BUT IT IS, IT IS PART OF THE WHOLE TAINMENT PROCESS.
SO BY THAT POINT YOU WILL HAVE SOME, YOU WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT SOME CONDITIONS ON THE, THAT RELATE TO PICKLEBALL.
ZACH? I DON'T WANT ON THE, WELL, ON THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT, IT COULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID THIS EVENING WHERE WE ASKED THE APPLICANT TO COME IN AND JUST EXPLAIN WHAT THE APPLICATION IS.
UM, THE BOARD HAS THE RIGHT TO SEND ME TO THE HEARING TO OPPOSE THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
NO, YOU'D HAVE TO EITHER MAKE THAT DECISION TONIGHT, BUT I, THE DISCUSSION AMONG THE BOARD WAS THAT WE SORT OF HEARD IT ENOUGH AT THIS POINT, BUT MAYBE THAT WAS, I GUESS I WAS THINKING LIKE THE STUFF LIKE I AM, SORRY, I'M, I'M LOSING WORDS.
UM, THE CONSTRAINTS ON, YOU KNOW, TIMING, THE TIME OF DAY AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, WILL THAT BE DISCUSSED THERE OR THAT COME BACK TO THE BOARD TO GIVE INFO TO? SO THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION, IF THERE ARE CONDITIONS THAT YOU'RE
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LOOKING TO IMPOSE, WE WOULD WANT TO PUT THOSE TOGETHER AND YEAH.PROVIDE THOSE TO THE ZONING HEARING.
I THINK THAT WE WOULD WANT TO DO THAT.
ZACH AND I CAN WORK ON A LETTER FOR THAT TOO.
CIRCULATE THAT AND COME BACK TO YOU WITH IT.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE MOTION A SECOND FOR ADJOURNED.