* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. UNLESS I DON'T GET [00:00:01] APPROVED, WHICH WOULD BE WEIRD. OKAY. SO [CALL TO ORDER / APPROVE JULY 16, 2025 AGENDA] CAN WE APPROVE THE JULY 16TH? WELL, THIS IS THE AGENDA. OKAY. JULY 16TH. ANY, UH, THINGS WE WANNA ADD TO THE AGENDA, TAKE OFF OR WHATEVER? ARE WE APPROVING THE AGENDA? MAY OR DAY YOU CAN. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING. THANK YOU, TOM. SECOND. GOOD. WE'RE APPROVED. UH, I DON'T SEE ANY PUBLISHER. WELL, LEE IS, SHE HASN'T HAD HER OFFICIAL MEETING, WHATEVER, BUT SHE'S, YEAH. UM, [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] HER LITTLE MINUTES. IT DOES GO BACK A LITTLE WHILE, BUT YEAH, WE HAVEN'T FOR BRIEF MINUTES THAT FAR, UH, UH, BUT NOW HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THEM AT ALL. AND ANYBODY WANT, UM, OR WHATEVER. ONCE AGAIN, I'LL APPROVE, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM MARCH. WHAT? MARCH 19TH? YES. SECOND, UH, APPROVED. SECONDED. A A ALL IN FAVOR. SHOULD BE THE FRONT PAGE. I GOT STUCK ON. PLASTIC BAG. WE'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING. I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN INTERESTING, OKAY, DAN. OKAY. HELLO. HI. SURE IS YOURS. [2. Presentation: Flood Preparedness by Upper Providence Township Emergency Management Coordinator, Dan Schaefer] MM-HMM . I'M DAN. I'M THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR. AND IN LIGHT OF, UH, US BEING NOW IN THE SECOND MONTH OF HURRICANE SEASON IN THE, UH, WHAT, THERE'S A HURRICANE SEASON. THERE IS A HURRICANE SEASON. SHOCKING. ARE YOU SURE? AND IN LIGHT OF ALL THE FLOODING THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING ACROSS THE COUNTRY, I THOUGHT IT'D BE GOOD TO MEET WITH SOME OF THE COMMUNITY CREWS, TALK ABOUT WHAT WE DO IN UPPER PROVIDENCE. UH, 'CAUSE FLOODING IS OUR NUMBER ONE HAZARD, AND IT'S A BIG CONCERN THAT, UH, I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE AND I HAVE, AS WELL AS EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, THINKING ABOUT PREPAREDNESS AND PLANNING. SO LAST YEAR WE STARTED THE HASHTAG UPT FLOOD READY CAMPAIGN OUT. WE WORKED WITH DANDELIONS DIGITAL, OUR COMMUNICATIONS CONSULTANT TO, UH, SPREAD SOME PUBLIC INFORMATION. SO, LOOKING AT THE TOWNSHIP, OBVIOUSLY THE SCHUYLKILL RIVER AND THE PERKY AND CREEK ARE OUR PRIMARY CONCERNS. UH, BUT WE HAVE OTHER FLOODWAYS WITH THE MINGO CREEK. THE DONNY BROOK CROSSMAN'S RUN HAS A SMALL SECTION. TENDY RUN HAS A SMALL SECTION, AND THEN THERE'S SOME UNNAMED TRIBUTARIES. SO WE, WE ARE THE, UH, THE POINT WHERE THE PER CREEK ENDS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE MOUTH OF THE CREEK INTO THE SCHULL RIVER. UM, AND JUST UPSTREAM FROM THAT, UH, JUNCTION, YOU HAVE THE SKIP BACK CREEK FLOWING INTO THE PERKIN CREEK. SO WE ARE A, A COLLECTOR OF WATER AT THE LOWER END OF THE TOWNSHIP. SOME RECENT FLOODS, UH, THAT HAVE AFFECTED THE TOWNSHIP. SO HURRICANE IS, WAS IN 2020. UH, IT WAS A TROPICAL DEPRESSION WHEN IT REACHED, UH, THIS AREA. BUT IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY, IT PRODUCED NINE INCHES OF RAIN, WHICH BROUGHT THE PERO AND CREEK AND THE SCHULE RIVER TO RECORD LEVEL, UH, FLOODING. SO THAT WAS CONSIDERED A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD. UH, A YEAR LATER, ANOTHER HURRICANE CAME THROUGH. IT WAS A TROPICAL STORM WHEN IT REACHED UPPER PROVIDENCE. AND AGAIN, WE HAD RECORD FLOODING OF THE PER CREEK AND THE SCHU RIVER. UH, THAT RESULTED IN A FEDERAL DISASTER DECLARATION, WHICH, UH, INITIATED THE, UH, THE BUYOUTS OF SOME OF THE PROPERTIES IN THE FLOOD ZONE. AND, UH, LED TO, I BELIEVE THERE WERE OVER 120 WATER RESCUES THAT NIGHT. UH, IN THE MONTCLAIR AND PORT PROVIDENCE AREAS FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THERE WAS, UH, OVER A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN DAMAGE TO THE TOWNSHIP. BUT PRIOR TO THOSE TWO STORMS, SINCE 1972, THERE HAVE BEEN 10 PREVIOUS, UH, FEDERALLY DECLARED DISASTERS THAT HAVE AFFECTED UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT WHAT? SO IT REACHES A, A LEVEL OF DISASTER WHERE FEMA, THE PRESIDENT, DECLARES A DISASTER. FEMA THEN CAN, UH, ISSUE MONEY FOR PUBLIC ASSISTANCE, WHICH IS MONEY THAT GOES TO GOVERNMENT AND NON-PROFITS AND INDIVIDUAL ASSISTANCE. IT GOES TO HOMEOWNERS AND RESIDENCE. SO THAT DECLARATION IS AFTER THE FACT? CORRECT. OKAY. GENERALLY, THEY, IF THEY KNOW IT'S A CATEGORY FIVE HURRICANE THAT'S COMING, THEY CAN DO ONE PREEMPTIVELY. OKAY. UM, BUT USUALLY, YOU KNOW, HURRICANES ARE NOT ORIGINATING HERE. SO AS THEY'RE HEADING THIS WAY, SOMETIMES IT MIGHT ALREADY BE DECLARED LEADING UP TO [00:05:01] THIS AREA, BUT THERE'S A WHOLE DAMAGE ASSESSMENT PROCESS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH. WE HAVE TO REACH CERTAIN DOLLAR AMOUNTS BEFORE IT WORKS ITS WAY UP. OKAY, GOTCHA. SO, THE TOWNSHIP IS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, PREPARING FOR FLOODING. SO ON OUR SIDE, THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING, UH, WE PARTNERED WITH THE, UM, NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TO BECOME A WEATHER READY NATION AMBASSADOR. SO THAT GAVE US SOME ACCESS TO SOME BEHIND THE SCENES, UH, WEATHER INFORMATION FROM THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE. WE HAVE A, UM, A PORTAL WHERE WE CAN TALK TO THE FORECASTERS DIRECTLY. IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS, WE ACTUALLY REACH OUT TO THEM FOR A LOT OF OUR SPECIAL EVENTS AND GET A, UH, A DIALED IN FORECAST JUST FOR US. THE TOWNSHIP ALSO OPERATES TO FLOOD GAUGES. SO THOSE GAUGES ARE NOT PART OF THE US GEOLOGICAL SURVEYS GAUGES. THEY ARE OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY THE TOWNSHIP. SO ONE IS AT THE, UH, ROUTE 29 BRIDGE ON OVER THE SCHUYLKILL RIVER, AND THE OTHER IS ON THE PERM CREEK AT OUR COLE ROAD. SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LITTLE SCREENSHOT OF THOSE ARE KIND OF NORMAL, UM, NORMAL LEVELS IN THAT SCREENSHOT OF THE GAUGE. BUT WE HAVE, UM, IMPACT STATEMENTS. SO AS THE WATER RISES, RESIDENTS CAN LOOK AT THIS WEBSITE AND SEE, UH, WHAT THE IMPACT WILL BE BASED ON WHAT WE'VE TRACKED. UH, WE ALSO HAVE A WEATHER STATION. SO IF YOU LEAVE TONIGHT, THERE'S A WEATHER STATION ON TOP OF THE POLICE GARAGE THAT GIVES US, UH, SOME LOCAL INFORMATION. AND THEN WE HAVE A LINK ON OUR WEATHER HUB TO THE, UH, NATIONAL WATER DASHBOARD, WHICH IS PRETTY INTERESTING. IT'S A WEBPAGE. THEY OVERLAY THE RADAR. SO YOU CAN SEE RAIN AND STORM COMING. AND ALSO THE GAUGES. SO AS THE GAUGES, THE STREAM FLOW GOES UP, THE, UH, THE COLORS CHANGE FROM GREEN TO YELLOW TO RED, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'RE AT. AND YOU CAN GIVE MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION. SO THAT HELPS US LOOK, UH, LOOK AHEAD AS TO WHAT'S COMING. WE, UH, PARTICIPATE WITH READY BONKO. SO THAT'S A SUBSCRIPTION BASED ALERT. IT'S FREE. UM, WE CAN ALERT PEOPLE BY PHONE, EMAIL, TEXT MESSAGE, AND FAX. I THINK THERE'S AN OPTION FOR THAT IF YOU, UM, BUT IN THE MIDDLE, IF, IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY. SO LAST WEEK WE HAD A, UM, A 9 1 1 OUTAGE. SO STATEWIDE, 9 1 1 WENT DOWN AND WE WERE ABLE TO SEND OUT A MESSAGE TO OUR SUBSCRIBERS BEFORE, EVEN BEFORE THE STATE PUT OUT THEIR MESSAGE. SO THEY NOTIFIED US FIRST, AND THEN THEY WERE GONNA NOTIFY THE PUBLIC. AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET THAT OUT AHEAD OF TIME WITH THE RIGHT NUMBER TO CALL. SO WE HAVE ABOUT 5,000, UH, SUBSCRIBERS TO THE PROGRAM. THERE'S 25,000 ISH RESIDENTS IN THE TOWNSHIP. SO WE'RE TRYING TO ALWAYS, UH, PUSH THAT READY MANCO, WE DON'T DO, UH, SPAN, WE DON'T DO FUNDRAISERS. IT, IT IS AN EMERGENCY ALERT SYSTEM. UH, WE WILL USE IT FOR COMMUNITY EVENTS TO LET PEOPLE KNOW, HEY, WE'RE HAVING A BIG EVENT AT THE TOWNSHIP BUILDING. THE CAMPUS IS CLOSED EXCEPT FOR THAT EVENT, BUT WE TRY NOT TO ABUSE IT. YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE A DOZEN MESSAGES A YEAR GO OUT ON THAT SYSTEM. AND THEN WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT TEAM. SO I AM FULL-TIME DESIGNATED FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. WE HAVE ABOUT 30 TOWNSHIP EMPLOYEES. UH, SUE AND JEFF ARE BOTH MEMBERS OF OUR TEAM WHO AS A, A SECONDARY DUTY, ARE PART OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. SO WE HAVE, UH, TRAINING THROUGH FEMA. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE CERTIFIED THROUGH PIMA, WHICH IS THE STATE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY. AND THEN WE HAVE A STATE-OF-THE-ART, UH, EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER AND THE FIRE STATION. UH, WE HAVE, UH, COMMUNICATIONS, WE HAVE, UH, SITUATIONAL AWARENESS BOARDS. WE HAVE COMPUTERS AND OUR TEAM CAN COME IN THERE AND HELP MANAGE, UH, A DISASTER. AND, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE FLOODING, WE ALSO DO A LOT WITH THE, UH, THE LIMERICK GENERATING STATION WITH THEIR, UM, EVERY TWO YEAR DRILL THAT THEY DO. 'CAUSE WE'RE WITHIN THAT EMERGENCY PROTECTIVE CENTER. AND THEN, UH, AT THE FIRE STATION, WE HAVE A FULL-TIME FIRE DEPARTMENT. EVERY EMPLOYEE IS TRAINED IN WATER RESCUE. WE HAVE TWO RESCUE VOTES. AND, UH, WE HAVE MUTUAL AID AGREEMENTS WITH OTHER FIRE STATIONS, BUT ALSO OTHER EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCIES IN THE AREA SO THAT WE CAN HELP EACH OTHER OUT. SO THIS WAS OUR CAMPAIGN, THE, UH, THE UPT FLOOD READY CAMPAIGN. SO WE, WE PRINTED POSTERS LIKE YOU SEE UP HERE. UM, THOSE ARE IN ALL THE TOWNSHIP BUILDINGS. I WENT AROUND. COMMUNITY BULLETIN BOARDS USED TO BE A LOT MORE COMMON UNTIL I TRIED TO GO FIND THEM. AND REALLY, IT'S, WAWA IS ABOUT IT. WAWA AND LELE WERE THE ONLY TWO, BUT WE HAVE SOME SMALLER POSTERS THAT WE, WE PUT UP THERE. AND THEN WE WALKED, UH, LAST FALL, WE TOOK THESE DOOR HANGERS AND, UH, AND PUT THEM ON EVERY DOOR IN EVERY FLOOD ZONE THAT WE HAD. SO WE GAVE OUT SEVERAL HUNDRED OF THESE. [00:10:01] AND WE DID SEE AN INCREASE IN OUR READY MO SUBSCRIPTIONS BECAUSE OF THAT. SO IT WAS PRETTY SUCCESSFUL. WE'VE UPDATED OUR SOCIAL MEDIA. UH, SO THERE IS AN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SOCIAL MEDIA PAGE IN ADDITION TO THE FIRE EMERGENCY SERVICES AND POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND THERE'S A WHOLE SECTION OF THE TOWNSHIP WEBSITE THAT IS DEDICATED TO FLOOD PREPAREDNESS. AND I'M SORRY, I CUT MY, MY, UH, PUT MY THING IN THE WRONG PLACE. . SO WE HAVE A FLOOD ZONE CONTACT LIST. SO IF THERE ARE, UH, RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THE FLOOD ZONE THAT WANT TO GIVE US THEIR NAME, ADDRESS, PHONE NUMBER, HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THEIR HOUSE, IF THEY HAVE PETS, THEY CAN REGISTER. IT'S A SECURED, UH, DATABASE ON OUR TOWNSHIP SYSTEM THAT WE CAN CALL PEOPLE AND SAY, HEY, ARE YOU OKAY? DO WE NEED A RIDE? YOU KNOW, IT JUST GIVES US ANOTHER POINT OF CONTACT. OH, A QUESTION. YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA, DOES IT INCLUDE NEXTDOOR? NO, WE DO NOT HAVE, I DON'T THINK THE TOWNSHIP HAS ANY NEXTDOOR ACCOUNTS. IT'S FACEBOOK AND INSTAGRAM. RIGHT. I WOULD THINK NEXT DOOR FOR THIS WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD IDEA. OKAY. WE SHOULD PROBABLY TALK TO LINDA ABOUT THAT. 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS ON THERE ON NEXT DOOR. YEAH. I MEAN, I, I SEE LIKE WEATHER ALERTS COMING THROUGH ON NEXT DOOR THROUGH NEXTDOOR. YEAH. OKAY. THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, AND I DON'T SPEND ANY TIME IN NEXTDOOR. I JUST GET THOSE S , SO I JUST THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA. I DON'T, YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT'S AS INSTANTANEOUS AS FACEBOOK OR INSTAGRAM IS, AT LEAST. I DON'T THINK IT HAS AS MANY FOLLOWERS, BUT I'M NOT SPAMMING MYSELF WITH IT EITHER. SO I DON'T, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT COMMUNICATION PERSONALLY. GET ALERT, YOU KNOW. SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE, UM, WE WOULD LIKE RESIDENTS TO DO TO HELP MAKE THEMSELVES MORE PREPARED FOR FLOODING, IT'S NUMBER ONE SIGN UP FOR THE EMERGENCY ALERTS THROUGH REDMONT. THAT IS OUR BEST, UH, WAY TO COMMUNICATE. IT'S INSTANT. IT'S THE, UM, IT'S THE SAME COMPUTER PROGRAM. IT DOES THE, YOU KNOW, BUZZES YOUR PHONE FOR AN EMERGENCY ALERT. WE JUST HAVE A LESSER LEVEL OF, WE CAN'T DO THAT PART. LESSER, LESSER AUTHORITY. UM, BUT IT, IT DOES WORK REALLY WELL. WE ASK PEOPLE TO FIND OUT IF YOU LIVE IN A FLOOD ZONE, UH, MAKE SOME PREPARATIONS FOR YOUR HOME. MAKE SURE YOU'RE, UH, YOU KNOW, CLEANING OUT YOUR GUTTERS, THAT YOU'RE RAISING YOUR UTILITIES IF YOU CAN, AND PURCHASING FLOOD INSURANCE. ALSO, HAVING A FAMILY SAFETY PLAN IS IMPORTANT. MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR DOCUMENTS ARE. YOU CAN, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A PLACE TO GO. YOU HAVE A PLACE TO KEEP THOSE DOCUMENTS DRY. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT BEING AN EMERGENCY KIT. UH, HAVING FOOD, WATER, AND A FLASHLIGHT. IT SOUNDS SIMPLE, BUT WHEN THE POWER IS OUT, AND, AND YOU MIGHT HAVE TO WAIT A COUPLE HOURS ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF YOUR HOUSE WAITING FOR A RESCUE BOAT. YOU'RE GONNA WANT TO HAVE SOME FOOD, WATER, A FLAT PLATE THAT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, MINIMAL THINGS. AND THEN MEDICATIONS. MEDICATIONS FOR YOURSELF, YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS, YOUR PETS, IF THEY TAKE THEM, UM, FOOD FOR YOUR PETS. WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO SHELTER, UM, A FEW PETS AT THE, UH, COMMUNITY CENTER. BUT WE PARTNERED WITH MONTGOMERY COUNTY ANIMAL RESCUE, WHO WILL COME OUT AND THEY, THEY HAVE TWO TRAILERS. THEY CAN DO EVERYTHING FOR FORCES AND COWS TO SNAKES AND PCA, NO, IT'S M CART. SO THEY'RE, UH, THEY'RE VERY, UH, VERY PROACTIVE. AND THEN WE JUST ASK THE RESIDENTS IF, UH, TO PLEASE HEED WARNINGS. IF, IF WE ADVISE THAT AN EVACUATION IS A GOOD IDEA, WE ASK THAT YOU TRUST US. UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO EARN THAT TRUST AND WE DON'T WANT TO BETRAY IT, AND WE DON'T WANT TO LEAD PEOPLE TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT THEY WOULD LATER REGRET. BUT, UM, IF THE, UH, IF WE PUT OUT THE CALL TO, TO LEAVE, WE ASK THAT YOU DO IT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT PEOPLE IN HARM'S WAY TO GO GET IT FURTHER. SO WE HAVE A COUPLE UPCOMING PROJECTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON. SO WE RECEIVED A GRANT FROM DCED TO INSTALL, UH, ROADWAY FLOODGATES, SO THEY DON'T STOP THE FLOOD WATER, BUT THEY STOP VEHICLES FROM DRIVING INTO IT. HOPEFULLY AT LEAST SLUMP DOWN A LITTLE BIT. . SO THOSE ARE AT, UH, ARCOLA AND CIDER MILL. SO TO PREVENT CROSSING THE BRIDGE. AND THEN ALSO AT UPPER INDIAN HEAD ROAD, UM, THAT'S LIKE OUR NUMBER, THAT'S THE FIRST SPOT TO FLOOD INTO THE TOWNSHIP ON PER CREEK THERE. THAT'S BY SEI, RIGHT? YES. AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL. BY S YEAH. UH, SOME FLOOD WARNING SIGNS ARE THERE. I WAS JUST GONNA ASK MM-HMM . THERE WARNINGS BEFORE YOU TURN ONTO THAT ROAD, IF THAT IS DOWN. YES. THAT'S PART OF, PART OF THE, THE, UM, THE PLAN IS TO HAVE A SIGN WARNING, LIKE HIGH WATER AREA. UM, YOU KNOW, IF GATES CLOSED, DON'T DRIVE AROUND IT. YEAH. AND THEN ALSO IN SOME OF THE TOWNSHIP PARKS ALONG OUR FLOOD AREAS, WE WANNA HAVE SOME SIGNS UP SAYING, HEY, THIS AREA IS SUBJECT TO FLOODING ISSUES. CAUTION. WE HAVE A LOT OF VISITORS WHO, WHO DON'T KNOW THE AREA. THEY MAY NOT REALIZE, [00:15:01] UH, THE DANGER THAT THEY COULD POSSIBLY BE IN. SO WE'RE LOOKING TO DO, UH, BILINGUAL SIGNS. UM, SO THE PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF WHAT THEY SHOULD DO. AND THEN AN IDEA, UH, FROM A HYDROLOGIST FRIEND OF MINE IS TO PUT IN SOME FLOOD ZONE. THAT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA. BECAUSE THE, LIKE LATINO COMMUNITY MAKING OUT A LOT. YES. THEY'RE PICNIC AREAS. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S GREAT. BUT YEAH. RIGHT. BUT WE WANT THEM TO BE AWARE AS WELL. YES, ABSOLUTELY. LANGUAGE SHOULD NOT BE A BARRIER. SAFE. THAT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA. YEAH. UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, A PROJECT A FRIEND OF MINE DID IS THEY, THEY PUT A LITTLE BLUE REFLECTOR ON THE STOP SIGNS IN THE FLOOD ZONE. SO IF THE ROAD IS SUBJECT TO FLOODING, A BLUE REFLECTOR WOULD INDICATE THAT IT'S, IT COULD FLOOD. UH, WHICH IS AN IDEA THAT WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF PLAYING AROUND WITH HOW THE PEOPLE, HOW DOES THAT WORK EXACTLY. AND HOW DO PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS? THAT'S THE PART THAT WE HAVE TO WORK ON, IS THE PUBLIC INFORMATION SIDE OF IT TO SAY, IF YOU, IF YOU SEE THIS, SO THERE WOULD BE A SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN, AND IT WOULD BE ON THE WEBSITE, IN THE NEWSLETTER, WE WOULD GET THAT WORD OUT THAT IF YOU'RE DRIVING ON A ROAD AND IT HAS BLUE REFLECTORS ON THE, THE STOP SIGN, YOU KNOW, THAT ROAD IS SUBJECT TO FLOODING. AND THEN WE HAVE ONGOING TRAINING WITH OUR TEAM. UH, EVERY OTHER MONTH WE DO AN EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER EXERCISE, . AND, UH, AND WE JUST HAVE ONGOING, ONGOING TRAINING. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND YOU WANT TO CONTACT ME, THERE'S MY EMAIL. YES. WHO FUNDS THAT? ALL THE, THE GATES AND ALL THAT. WHERE'S THE FUNDING COME FROM? SO THAT'S COMING FROM A GRANT FROM THE STATE. SO THROUGH THE DISASTER RECOVERY GRANT AFTER HURRICANE IDA, THERE WAS SOME MONEY LEFT OVER. SO THEY GAVE US $60,000. SO IT'S ENOUGH TO COVER THE MATERIALS. PUBLIC WORKS IS GONNA DO THE WORK, THE INSTALLATION. THE INSTALLATION. UM, HOW ARE YOU GETTING THE WORD OUT ABOUT THE TEXT MESSAGING ALERTS? LIKE IF YOU HAD ONE IN FIVE RESIDENTS, IS THAT A GOOD RATE OF IT'S, SO THERE IS A WAY, UM, IF WE HAVE A, UH, A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE, WE CAN BUMP OUR REQUEST UP TO THE COUNTY AND THE COUNTY CAN, THEY CAN HIT EVERY PHONE. SO IF WE HAVE, OKAY. SO IF WE HAVE LIKE A RED ALERT, LIKE, HEY, UM, OCCUR, OCCUR COUNTY TEXAS TIDAL WAVE, UH, FLASH FLOOD. YEAH. THEY CAN HIT EVERY SINGLE PHONE IN THE COUNTY AT THE SAME TIME. OKAY. SO THAT'S OUR, WE JUST HAVE TO PUSH THE REQUEST UP TO THEM. WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY AS A MUNICIPALITY TO HIT EVERYBODY. GOTCHA. SO IF PEOPLE, BUT, SO THEN WHAT'S THE BENEFIT OF BEING ON THE SUBSCRIPTION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YOU WOULD GET THE LOWER LEVEL ALERTS THAT WE PUT OUT. AND ALSO YOU WOULD KNOW ABOUT COMMUNITY FLOODED. RIGHT. WE CAN PUT IN SOMETHING SPECIFIC FOR UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP. OKAY. THEIR ALERT WOULD BE COUNTY ONE. OKAY. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE PTA OR LIKE, I HAVE KIDS IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, SO I'M THINKING LIKE, HOW DO YOU GET ALL THE PARENTS WOULD SIGN UP FOR ALERT? LIKE, I'VE NEVER HEARD ABOUT THAT. RIGHT. OKAY. SO I FOLLOW, SO THERE SHOULD BE AN ALERT SYSTEM FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT YEAH. FOR SCHOOL RELATED ISSUES. OUR ISSUES WOULD BE MORE LIKE WEATHER RELATED OR TRAFFIC. HOW WAS GETTING THE WORD OUT? SO IF, IF THE, IF THE SCHOOL HAS LIKE A, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY NIGHT OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, HAVING A BOOTH THERE AND TELLING ALL THE PARENTS SIGN ENOUGH FOR THIS, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT OKAY. YOUR SUBSCRIPTION. YEAH. ABSOLUTELY. SO HAVE YOU DONE THINGS LIKE THAT OR, SO WE'RE AT EVERY PUBLIC EVENT AT THE TOWNSHIP SPONSORS. OKAY. UM, AND PUTTING THIS OUT AND, AND HAVING IT ON OUR WEBSITE AND SOCIAL MEDIA. YEAH. BUT NOT AT SCHOOL. NOT AT SCHOOL, NOT AT HIGH SCHOOL. SO PART OF THE, THE THING WITH THE, THE SCHOOLS ARE, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL SCHOOL DISTRICT. SO WE'RE JUST UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP FOR ALERTS. MM-HMM . SO SPRING FORWARD COVERS, UH, LIMERICK AND SPRING CITY. AND YEAH. SO MAKING SURE WE, WE TARGET OUR IS OAKS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ONLY? YEAH. I WOULD SAY, UM, OAKS IS PROBABLY THE ONLY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT IS UPPER PROVIDENCE ONLY. I WOULD THINK UPPER PROVIDENCE ELEMENTARY, PROBABLY 90% UPPER PROVIDENCE, BUT PROBABLY PULL SOME FROM THE RORY STREET ELEMENTARY. WELL, RORY STREET ELEMENTARY, THE AGE H THEY'RE US. THEY'RE US AND RO FOR UPPER PROVIDENCE ELEMENTARY, I THINK. PULL SOME FROM LIMERICK. THAT PART. AND THEN YOU GET S DRAWING A BLANK ON WHAT THE ONES ON. YEAH. THE LIMERICK ELEMENTARY. THERE'S EVANS ELEMENTARY, THE ONE ON LEWIS ROAD THAT'S UP. PROVIDENCE ELEMENTARY. OH, THAT'S CALLED UPPER PROVIDENCE. YEAH. WHERE IT USED TO BE CALLED. IT'S ALWAYS KNOWN FOR PROVINCE ELEMENTARY? NO, NO. ON LEWIS ROAD DOWN NEXT TO, ACROSS FROM THE CVS. OH, ACROSS FROM, THAT'S BROOKS BROOK ELEMENTARY. YEAH. THAT WOULD, THAT'D BE LIMMER TOO, RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK THAT'D BE, OR, OR BURG. YEAH. I THINK, I MEAN, MY SON WENT TO RO ROAD ELEMENTARY, SO I THINK THAT'S ALL OF THE BOROUGH. AND THEN, [00:20:01] UM, AND THEN SPRING CITY'S OVER THERE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE SPRING CITY'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION. SO, SO TO PUT A WRAP ON THAT THOUGHT, I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS ON THE, AT THE PTA. OKAY. AT ELEMENTARY. UM, AND IF THERE WAS A KIND OF EVENT, I JUST COULD INQUIRE IF THERE WOULD BE AN EVENT THAT YOU COULD, DOES THE PTA HAVE NORMAL, LIKE MONTHLY MEETINGS? WELL, THERE'S LIKE, OH YES. COULD I DO COME TO A MEETING? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. AND YOU CAN DEFINITELY COME TO A MEETING, BUT I'M ALSO THINKING LIKE THEY ARE HOSTING STUFF ALL THE TIME. OKAY. SO WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO DEFINITELY CHECK, YOU KNOW, PUT YOUR BANNER OUT, SAYS, ARE YOU READY FOR FLOODING? IT'S LIKE THE PARENTS ARE YOUR TARGET. YEAH. YES. WHAT PERCENTAGE OF, UH, UPT RESIDENTS ARE CONSIDERED IN A FLOOD ZONE AREA? OOH, THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. IF WE GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, ACTUALLY, JUST LOOK AT THE PAPER. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP. SO ANYTHING, SO THE GREEN IS YOUR, IS THE TOWNSHIP MM-HMM . AND THEN ANYTHING IN PURPLE IS A FLOOD. SO REALLY THE, THE MAIN AREA, AND IT'S A LITTLE CUT OFF, UH, A LOT OF OAKS FOR PROVIDENCE, MONTCLAIR, AND THEN COUPLE HOUSES ALONG THE LINGO CREEK. THIS SECTION OF THE PER OMA IS MOSTLY THE PARK. AND THEN DOW, PFIZER THAT, UH, THAT CAMPUS THERE, LIKE ONE OF THE MEMBERS THAT'S REALLY ACTIVE IN THE OAKS, PTA LIVES ON TAYLOR, WHATEVER THAT ONE IS, LIKE RIGHT ON THE RIVER. OKAY. YOU KNOW, SO SHE PROBABLY ALREADY KNOWS ABOUT THIS, BUT ANYWAY. MIGHT BE RECEPTIVE TO, SO THE BIGGEST PORTION IS MONTCLAIR, THAT YEAH. YEAH. THE BIGGEST PORTION OF, OF FLOODED OF FLOOD ZONE PROPERTIES OF ACTUAL HOUSES ARE, IS IN MONTCLAIR FOR PROVIDENCE. YOU GET SOME THAT ARE ALONG OTHER PARTS, BUT MOST OF THAT HAS BEEN, IT'S EITHER INDUSTRIAL, AS YOU GET DOWN TOWARDS OAKS, YOU GET THE PER, OR THE, THE REBA ROAD AREA. A COUPLE HOUSES LEFT UP THERE. WELL, THERE'S A DOZEN HOUSES IN THAT AREA. UM, PERM AND WOODS IS FAIRLY DENSE WHERE IT IS UP AT THE NORTHERN PART OF THE TOWNSHIP. BUT THERE THAT NONE OF THE HOUSES ARE IN THE FLOOD ZONE. AT LEAST NOT THE, THE HUNDRED YEAR. YEAH. I THINK IT'S THE POOL. IT STOPS IN THE POOL. YEAH. ESSENTIALLY. YEAH. STOPS. SO, SO I GUESS THAT'S THE QUESTION OF HOW MANY PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THIS? OR IS IT ONLY THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PERSONALLY, I THINK EVERYBODY NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT SO PART OF IT IS, SO IT'S, IT'S THE HOUSES, BUT IT'S ALSO HOW PEOPLE TRAP. SO IF GOOD POINT, IF MONTCLAIR FLOODS, YOU CAN'T CROSS ROUTE 29 TO GET INTO PHOENIXVILLE, YOU CAN'T GET TO THE HOSPITAL. RIGHT. IF OUR COAL ROAD CLOSES, YOU CAN'T GET INTO LOWER NCE AND GO OUT THAT WAY. AND YOU'RE KIND OF TRAPPED AT THAT LOWER END, UM, THE F 4 22, WHICH DOES NOT FLOOD. SO THAT'S GOOD. BUT KNOWING, KNOWING WHERE TO GO AND HOW IT WOULD AFFECT TRAFFIC IN TRAVELERS. MM-HMM . PRETTY MUCH EVERY BRIDGE OVER THE SCHOOL BECOMES COMPROMISED. BEFORE I MOVED HERE, I GOT STUCK HERE, , BECAUSE I CAME OUT TO COLLEGEVILLE AND IT RAINED, AND I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO GET HOME. YEAH. , I HAD THE SAME. SO I USED TO WORK HERE. YOU'VE BEEN HERE EVER SINCE. . WE HAVEN'T, STILL TRYING TO FIND, I STILL CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT. I HAVEN'T LEFT YET. HE'S STILL STUCK HERE. YEAH. I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET HOME. I WENT ALL THE WAY. I ENDED UP TAKING SOME BACK ROAD ROUTE AND GOT BACK OUT TO TURNPIKE WHEN I USUALLY JUST WOULD'VE WENT DOWN TO DOYLESTOWN DOWN ONE 13. I COULDN'T, EVERY ROAD WAS CLOSED. YEAH. I, I REMEMBER ONE DAY I WAS, I KNOW, TRYING TO GET OVER TO CHESTER COUNTY OR SOMETHING, AND IT WAS LIKE EVERY SINGLE BRIDGE EITHER THAT I WAS TRYING TO COME BACK, JUST, JUST STAY. AND IT WASN'T EVEN IDA, YOU KNOW, IT WAS JUST LIKE, NO, THIS, THIS BRIDGE IS CLOSED. THAT BRIDGE IS CLOSED. THIS BRIDGE IS CLOSED. I DON'T HAVE PARK ACROSS JACOBS FORD, CROSS FORWARD OR FORD. RIGHT. YOU COULDN'T GET THROUGH BROER FORD. I REMEMBER THE, THE BRIDGE. LINFIELD TRAP. LINFIELD TRAP. HOW WOULD THAT CLOSE, WHERE WOULD IT FLOOD THERE? OH, IT FLOODS DOWN THERE ALL THE TIME ON THE CHESTER SIDE. REALLY? OH, I'VE NEVER SEEN THE FLOOD ON THAT. OH YEAH. DO YOU GET, YOU GET ACROSS THE BRIDGE. I KNOW IT'S LOW ON THAT, ON THE FARM SIDE, BUT THE ROAD SITS UP OFF OF THAT FARM SIDE. YEAH. WELL, IF THE ROAD'S FLOODED, YOU CAN'T GET A, WELL, I'M SAYING, BUT I, THE BRIDGE ITSELF IS WAY ABOVE FLOOD. THE BRIDGE ITSELF ISN'T A PROBLEM. IT'S THE ROAD THAT'S DOWN THE ROAD. MIDFIELD TRACK. YEAH. AND, AND YEAH. ANYWAY, ENOUGH OF THAT. OKAY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE ONE OF THESE, THERE'S A QR CODE THAT YOU CAN, UH, SIGN UP, TAKES YOU TO THE, UH, TO THE WEBSITE OF SOOS. ALL ABOUT THOSE. I HAVE PLENTY OF THESE. THE FIRST THING I DID, SO WE PRINTED LIKE A THOUSAND OF THESE AND I WENT AROUND EVERY DOOR IN THE FUTURE BUILDING FIRST. I HAVE ONE, I THINK HAVE TWO SITTING IN MY OFFICE. UH, I DON'T, I'VE GOT ONE, I'LL ONE. JEFF DOESN'T EVEN, I'LL TAKE ONE HOME. EVEN THOUGH I HAVE PUT IT FIRST DOOR. I HAVE TWO EMAIL ACCOUNTS TO GET THE READY ALERTS. I GOT MY PHONE AND MY WIFE'S PHONE, THE HOUSE PHONE. AND I THINK MY TOWNSHIP EMAIL ACCOUNT GETS IT TOO. YES. WE ALSO, SO, SO WE HAVE AN INTERNAL VERSION [00:25:01] OF REDMONT FOR TOWNSHIP EMPLOYEES AS WELL. SO EVERYBODY'S WELL PUT ON FIRST. THE REST OF US DO THIS. YOU'RE GOT FOR THE REST OF US GUYS. , IF YOU EVER SEE US DRIVING. THAT WAS REALLY THAT, THAT MEANS THE LIMERICK IS GOING . SAVE YOUR SENSE. YEAH. OTHER THAN FLOODING, WHAT OTHER EMERGENCIES ARE YOU GUYS SORT OF CONCERNED ABOUT OR TRAINED FOR? SO WE, WE USE AN, THEY CALL IT AN ALL HAZARDS APPROACH. SO WE JUST LOOK AT ANY, ANY EMERGENCY, WHAT ARE WE WORRIED ABOUT? WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT LIFE SAFETY, WORRIED ABOUT STABILIZING THE INCIDENT. AND THEN, UH, PROPERTY CONSERVATION AND ENVIRONMENT. SO ANYTHING THAT WOULD AFFECT PEOPLE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT. SO, FLOODING NUMBER ONE. UH, THE NUCLEAR POWER PLANT, NOT BECAUSE IT'S SO HAZARDOUS, BUT BECAUSE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS, EVERY TWO YEARS THERE'S A DRILL. THEN WE GET EVALUATED BY FEMA AND PIMA. SO THEY SEND IN, THEY ACTUALLY SENT IN A GUY, UH, LAST TIME HE WAS A, UM, A NUCLEAR SCIENTIST WHO HAD WORKED FOR THE NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION AS ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WENT INTO FIX THREE MILE ISLAND AFTER THAT HAD ITS ISSUE. AND THIS IS THE GUY THAT WAS EVALUATING US. IT WAS LIKE, WELL, LISTEN, BUT HERE WE GO. IF YOU, UH, MAYBE JUST GIVE US SOME POINTERS AND COACHES. BUT HE WAS REALLY, HE WAS REALLY, REALLY NICE. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S MANDATED. WE HAVE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT. AND THEN WE TRAINED FOR, UM, AN ACTIVE SHOOTER EVENT. WE DID A LOT OF TRAINING THIS YEAR, UH, WITH JOINT OPERATIONS BETWEEN POLICE AND FIRE USING THE OLD QUEST BUILDING FOR AN ACTIVE SHOOTER. WE'VE LOOKED AT CYBER INCIDENTS, WE'VE LOOKED AT POWER OUTAGES. UM, WHAT ABOUT THE FLASH FLOODING? WHAT ABOUT THE PIPELINE THAT RUNS THROUGH JEFF AND I'S NEIGHBORHOOD THE, UM, THERE'S 36 BIG GAS PIPELINE. OH YEAH. THE TEXAS EAST TURN. YEAH, THAT'S THE ONE. I CAN REMEMBER THE NAME. SO WE, WE PARTNER WITH THEM. THEY HAVE SOME TRAINING. SOME OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS HAVE TAKEN IT. UM, BUT YOU ARE A CONTACT, BUT I DON'T, YEAH. YEAH. WE'RE AWARE. WE'RE AWARE OF THE HAZARD. YOU'RE KNOWN THEY KNOW YOU. UH, ALL THAT. YEAH. THERE'S PROCEDURES IN PLACE. OKAY. SAME WITH THE, THE RAILROAD WITH NORFOLK SOUTHERN AND THE EVERYTHING THAT THEY TRANSPORT. RIGHT, RIGHT. SURE. THAT'S A GOOD ONE. WE DID A BIG EXERCISE WITH DOW LAST YEAR FOR A HAZARDOUS MATERIALS INCIDENT. WE BROUGHT IN THEIR EAST COAST REGIONAL TEAM. UH, THE COUNTY TEAM, OUR TEAM. AND WE HAD A, A JOINT EXERCISE. OKAY. GOOD. GOOD STUFF. TRY. WE'RE READY, . OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS. YOU GUYS. MIND IF I STAY AND, UH, HANG OUT? ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY. REMINDER. ABSOLUTELY. . THAT'S UP TO YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. KYLE. , SAME THOUGHT. I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION. SAME THOUGHT OCCURRED TO ME IS LIKE WHEN I APPRECIATE THE FAST THIS LATE IN THE DAY TO . OKAY. IT'S AN ENGINEER'S, UH, . OKAY. UM, NEXT THING [Items 3. & 4.] ON THE DISCUSSION IS META GRASS CONVERSION. AND WHERE ARE WE ON THAT? OH, THE GUY WHO NOW IS OVER? YEAH. NO, I'LL BE RIGHT THERE. . UM, JEFF IS MISSING. OH, THE PM PASSWORD IS CAPITALIZED. I'M SORRY. WHAT? THE PM I, YOU KNOW, I WAS TRYING TO GET ME, I'M SORRY. A LITTLE CONFUSED. UM, NO, FOR SOME REASON WE TALKED, WE TOOK ALL THAT WITH ALL OF THESE ORDINANCES, METAL GRASS, UM, EVEN GRASS CUTTING, MOWING, MANURE, PLASTIC BAG RESTRICTIONS. WE'VE PUT OUT SOME DRAFTS AND I CAN RESEND THOSE OUT AGAIN. AND WE JUST REALLY NEED YOU TO EDIT THEM AND FINALIZE THEM. I THINK PLASTIC BAG RESTRICTIONS, WE WANT TO TALK TO OUR, UM, OUR COMMUNICATIONS PERSON. 'CAUSE SHE'S PUT THAT EFFORT THROUGH IN, IN OTHER PLACES LIKE MEDIA BOROUGH, SOME OTHER PLACES. SO SHE'S GOT A WHOLE CAMPAIGN THAT SHE COULD DO WITH IT. MM-HMM . UM, WE DID HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH HER IN MARCH. SO THAT'S ANCIENT HISTORY. I KNOW THAT WASN'T YESTERDAY. NO, IT DOES BLUR AFTER A LITTLE WHILE. WELL, PLASTIC BAG INITIATIVE HAS BEEN WAY IN OLD HISTORY. . I KNOW. THE FIRST YEAR WE'VE BEEN IN THIS. SO, BECAUSE I BROUGHT IT UP BEFORE I WENT OFF THE BOARD. AND PART OF IT IS THE EXTENT OF THAT. HOW FAR DO WE GO? AND, AND FROM WHAT WE'VE TALKED TO LINDA ABOUT OTHER PLACES, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S DIALING BACK A LITTLE BIT. LIKE THEY'RE YEAH. THEY'RE GETTING A LOT OF PUSHBACK FROM RESIDENTS. THEY'RE RIGHT NOW. WELL, I THINK IF WE COULD DO JUST BAGS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE YEAH. WEGMANS HAS, THAT'S ALREADY SAID. WE'RE NOT DOING CLASSIC BAGS. SO THE SHOPPERS AT WEGMANS SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TRAINED AT THIS POINT. I WOULD LIKE TO JUST EXPAND IT TO OTHER STORES [00:30:01] NOW. ESPECIALLY THE BIG GROCERY STORES. I WORKED AT GIANT, NO, WS LIKE THREE MONTHS. AND I WAS APPALLED AT HOW MANY PLASTIC BAGS NOW? TWO ON A FOUR HOUR SHIFT. YEAH. AND WHAT, WHAT STORE IS THIS? I WAS A GIANT FOR THREE MONTHS BEFORE RAN FOR, OH, THIS IS BACK, YEAH, THIS 2016. RECENTLY. WELL, I DON'T THINK IT'S CHANGED. WE DID SORT OF HIT PHENOMENAL NUMBER OF PLASTIC BAGS. WE SORT, WE SORT OF BROUGHT A LOT OF THINGS FORWARD AND THEN WE SORT OF HIT, I DON'T KNOW, A DRY SPOT. WE DIDN'T MOVE ANYTHING FORWARD. SO FOR SEPTEMBER, WE CAN TRY TO RECOMPILE THESE, GET 'EM TO YOU IN AUGUST AND JUST SAY, OKAY, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO IN SEPTEMBER? AND PUT THEM ON THE AGENDA. RIGHT. AND I, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT WE GO AHEAD AND PUSH, YOU KNOW, A PLASTIC BAG ORDINANCE. WE DON'T HAVE TO GO FOR THE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF IT. BUT I THINK, WELL, RIGHT NOW, I THINK THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IT SAYS PLASTIC BAGS AND STRAWS. IT SAYS PLASTIC STRAWS. IT'S CONTAINERS, IT'S PLASTIC, SILVER. I DIDN'T KNOW WENT THAT FAR, BUT I KNEW WHEN STRAWS YEAH, IT WAS PRETTY EXPENSIVE. SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE CHANGED, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BITE OFF THAT WHOLE THING AT ONE TIME. RIGHT. I DON'T THINK TALK ABOUT UNPOPULAR. THAT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT. RIGHT. SORRY THOUGH. BUT I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S THE CONTENT OF THE ORDINANCE, BUT THE IMPLEMENTATION WAS, WAS I THINK WHERE WE, THAT'S, I MEAN THAT'S A CHALLENGE WHERE WE RAN UP AGAINST. RIGHT. THE KIND OF, KIND OF PULL BACK A LITTLE BIT. RIGHT. IF LINDA'S GOT A WHOLE THING GOING, THEN I THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD OFF OF THAT. AND LET'S JUST LIMIT IT TO PLASTIC BAGS AND BITE OFF SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH RATHER THAN GOING, YOU KNOW, SCARE THE CRAP OUT OF EVERYBODY. EVERYTHING. SO IS IT, IS IT A BAN ON PLASTIC? WHAT IS THE LANGUAGE RIGHT NOW? I THINK THE WAY IT'S STATED WOULD BE A BAN, BUT I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DON'T WANNA PUT THEBAN IN. THEY WANNA MAKE IT ENCOURAGED TO NOT SETTLE. THAT IS A GOOD IDEA. THEY WANNA GIVE THE STORES NOT OPTIONS, BUT THEY DON'T WANNA PUT THE WORD VAN IN THERE. I MEAN, WHAT ABOUT STARTING WITH LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, GIVING EVERYBODY FREE SIGNS THAT SAYS WE WELCOME YOUR REUSABLE BAG. LIKE THERE'S GOTTA BE SCIENCE ON IT. HOW DO YOU MAKE THIS A POSITIVE? THE, THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT A COUPLE YEARS AGO DID A A GRADE CAMPAIGN WHERE THEY HAD A THING OUT FRONT WHERE YOU COULD EXCHANGE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF BAGS FOR A UPT BAG. A REUSABLE BAG. A REUSABLE BAG, YEAH. AND THEN THOSE BAGS THAT WE TOOK WERE CONVERTED TO A BENCH, WEREN'T THEY? CHECKS. CHECKS HAD A NICE PROGRAM, THEN THEY WOULD TURN INTO A BUNCH. SO THAT'S LIKE A POSITIVE, GIVE YOU SOMETHING AND IT RAISES AWARENESS. WE NEVER GOT ENOUGH BAGS. OKAY. I WILL DOUBLE DOWN. OH MY GOD. . SO, AND WE, WE NEED TO DO THAT AGAIN BECAUSE I THINK WHEN IT FIRST CAME UP, IT WAS JUST BEFORE COVID AND THINGS KIND OF COMPLETELY FELL APART. ABSOLUTELY. WE CAN DEFINITELY REINSTATE IT. WE STILL HAVE, I STILL HAVE ALL THE THINGS, LIKE THE SCALES AND EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING WAS, IS BACK THEN WE HAD A PARTNER WITH REDNERS. WE WERE ALLOWED TO BRING THEM BAGS TO REDNERS, THEN THEY WOULD TAKE THEM TO THEIR RECYCLER. I'D HAVE TO CHECK IF THOSE STILL PEOPLE ARE STILL THERE. OR FIND A NEW PARTNER FOR THAT. RIGHT. OKAY. WELL, OR LIKE GIANT HAS A BAG UP A BOX OF BAGS OUTSIDE THEIR STORE. RIGHT. YEAH. I WONDER IF THEY DO THE SAME PROGRAM OR THEY'D BE WILLING TO DONATE THOSE BAGS IN ORDER TO INCREASE THE PERCENTAGE. IT WAS A LOT OF BAGS TO GET A BENCH. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DO WITH THE RECYCLED BAGS. I DON'T EITHER. WEGMANS HAS A, THEY HAVE A BAG BIN OUT FRONT AND THEY CONVERT THOSE BAGS THROUGH ALL THEIR STORES TO MORE BAG BINS. SO IT'S KIND OF, SO LIKE THE, THE, THE BOX THAT THEY PUT THE, OH, LIKE THE TRASH CANS, THERE'S LIKE THREE DIFFERENT TRASH CANS, RIGHT? ONE FOR TRASH, ONE FOR PLASTICS, ONE FOR PLASTIC BAGS. GOT IT. MM-HMM . AND THE ONES FOR THE PLASTIC BAGS, I THINK THEY TAKE THOSE AND CONVERT THOSE INTO THE LARGER BINS THING. LARGER BIN. GOT IT. WELL AT LEAST THEY'RE BEING RECYCLED. YES. OKAY. SO, BUT THE IDEA IS TO NOT UTILIZE THEM. THE WHOLE VALUE OF NOT DOING PLASTIC BAGS, THEY DON'T GET CREATED IN THE FIRST PLACE. OIL HAS LOTS OF USES. PLASTIC BAGS IS NOT A GREAT USE OF OIL. SO. EXACTLY. SO WE WANT, SO THE RECYCLING PART IS GOOD, BUT IT'S LIKE REALLY YOU WANT PEOPLE TO JUST NOT DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. RIGHT. UM, OKAY. THAT SEEMS, BUT I FEEL LIKE SOMETIMES RECYCLING FEELS LIKE, OH, WELL I'LL JUST TAKE IT AND I'LL RECYCLE IT AND THEN IT'S FINE. IT'S LIKE A NEUTRAL, EXCEPT THAT IT'S NOT. BUT IT'S NOT A NEUTRAL. NO. ONLY IT RE I CAN'T TALK THE RECYCLE NUMBERS ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PLASTIC STUFF. I KNOW NOTHING ONLY ONCE AND TWO, SKIP RECYCLED. ALL OF THE REST OF THEM DO NOT. IT'S 5% OF THE PLASTICS GET RECYCLED. 5% IS NOT MUCH. I THINK. WELL, AND A LOT OF IT OF IT ENDS UP IN YOUR, IN THE OCEAN. THE OCEAN. AND THERE'S ALL THIS STUFF GOING AROUND AROUND MICROPLASTICS. MICRO PLASTICS ARE YOUR WELL WATER, WHICH I'M ON A WELL, AND I'M NOT HAPPY TO FIND OUT THAT MICROPLASTICS ARE IN MY WELL WATER. UM, SO ANYWAY, IF WE COULD START TO PUSH THIS. I KNOW. I'LL SEE IF BACK, BACK I'M LOOKING AT IT. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T GET ANYWHERE IF YOU DON'T. [00:35:01] WELL, HOW ABOUT THIS? FOR THE NEXT MEETING, I WILL MAKE A POINT TO SEND AROUND THE ORDINANCES, ALL OF THEM THAT WE HAVE, ALL THE DRAFTS THAT WE HAVE OF ALL THESE DIFFERENT ORDINANCES. OKAY. FROM MANURE TO PLASTIC BAGS AND ALL THAT STUFF. SHRED THEM. LITERALLY NOT FIG OR FIGURATIVELY, NOT LITERALLY . UM, AND TAKE A LOOK AT THEM, SEE WHAT YOU WANNA DO. IF THERE'S OTHER PROGRAMS, SPEND SOME TIME ON THE INTERNET JUST LOOKING UP OTHER PROGRAMS AND JUST BRING THOSE IDEAS IN. AND THEN WE CAN SAY, OKAY, THIS ONE IS PROBABLY THE BEST OPTION AND THIS IS THE NEXT BEST OPTION. AND LET'S JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE OPTIONS THEN. RIGHT. AND, AND AT LEAST IN SEPTEMBER WE CAN HAVE A, YOU KNOW, LIKE KEN DID WITH BIRD TOWN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SAY, YOU'RE DOING BIRD TOWN AND YOU WENT WITH IT AND NOW IT'S A THING. WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH IT. SO, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST WHAT WE NEED. SO THAT'S WHY. SO MY, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM WEGMANS, I DON'T ACTUALLY SHOP THERE ON REGULAR BASIS, IS THEY STARTED A COUPLE OF MONTHS OUT SAYING, YOU KNOW, AS OF SUCH AND SUCH A DATE, WE WILL NO LONGER BE USING PLASTIC BAGS. THERE WERE SIGNS, I WOULDN'T SAY TOO, THERE WERE SIGNS WHEN YOU CAME IN THE DOOR. THERE WOULD NO LONGER BE, YOU KNOW, AS OF SUCH AND SUCH A DATE. AND THERE WERE STILL PEOPLE WHO WALKED IN AND WENT, WAIT, WHAT? THERE'S NO PLASTIC BAGS. . WELL, THEY SELL YOU PAPER BAGS NOW, RIGHT? YEAH. IT'S 5 CENTS A BAG IF YOU, IF YOU WANT THEM. AND THEY HAVE THE OTHER BAGS IN THERE. I MEAN, I'VE BEEN A WMAN SHOPPER SINCE THEY MOVED IN, SO IT WAS THERE. I KNOW, BUT, BUT RETAINING IT TO ACTUALLY ON YOUR WAY THERE THAT DAY. OH, I GET YOU. I STILL HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THAT. I HAVE TO KEEP A BAG IN MY CAR DOOR SURE. WHEN I GET THERE. SO I'M LIKE, WE HAVE TO TAKE THE BAG IN SO YOU'RE NOT CARRYING THE STEAK OUT LIKE THIS. BUT, BUT WHAT I DID THE OTHER DAY IS I CARRIED A WHOLE HAND, YOU KNOW, ARMS FULL OF GROCERIES OUT TO MY TRUCK AND THEN PUT IT IN THE BAG THAT WAS IN MY TRUCK. I, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DO THAT. THEY TAKE THE CART OUT TO THE CAR RIGHT. WITHOUT BAGS. NO BAGS. BUT THEY TAKE THE CART OUT TO THE CAR AND THEN PUT THEM IN THERE. PLASTIC OR JUST DO MY WIPE DISH. BUY ANOTHER ONE. . SO MANY REUSABLE BAGS. I KNOW, I KNOW. I KNOW. WHEN I FIRST STARTED CARRYING REUSABLE BAGS, I WOULD GET HALFWAY TO THE STORE AT THE DOOR ALL THE WAY IN AND GO, I FORGOT MY BAGS AND I WALKED ALL AND, AND YES, IT'S HARD TO DEVELOP NEW HABIT. IT, I GET IT. BUT UNLESS YOU TRY IT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET THERE. SO I I I THINK MAYBE A LITTLE RESEARCH INTO THE TOWNSHIPS THAT HAVE PASSED IT NOW. WELL I THINK WE KNOW THAT TO SEE HOW THEY'RE MAKING OUT. YOU KNOW, WELL WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE LINDA DO THAT BECAUSE I THINK LINDA'S GONNA HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE. I THINK LOOKING AT SOFTENING THE WORK BAN AND COMING AND DIALING IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT TO SAY, HEY, THEY'RE OUT THERE. THERE'S NOTHING WE'RE EVER GONNA BE ABLE TO DO TO GET RID OF THEM. 'CAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA BE YOUR JOB OR MY JOB TO GO TO EVERY SMALL STORE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, HERE'S A $50 FINE BECAUSE YOU'RE USING PLASTIC BAGS. WE DON'T WANNA BE THAT TOWNSHIP. BUT TO SAY, HOW CAN WE EDUCATE PEOPLE AND HOW CAN WE MOVE THINGS FORWARD RIGHT. AND, AND CHANGE THINGS. AND WHAT, WHAT PROGRAMS CAN WE COME UP WITH THAT WILL ASSIST GETTING THEM OUT OUT OF, AND I WOULD RATHER SEE SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT RATHER THAN A PUNISHMENT OR FINE IS SOME WAY OF HOW CAN WE ENCOURAGE THEM IN A POSITIVE WAY TO NOT BE, TO SELF MAKE A DECISION, MAKE A DECISION. I GO TO A FARM STAND PASSPORT THAT, THAT'S IN SKID ANYWAY. AND, AND IT BOTHERS ME THAT WHEN I GO TO THE FARM STAND OR I GO TO THE FARMER'S MARKET, THEY HAVE PLASTIC BAGS TOO. IT'S LIKE, I BROUGHT MY OWN BAG. YOU GUYS HAVE TO USE PLASTIC. ANYWAY. GREAT. LET'S GET ALL THESE NEW, THESE ORDINANCE. SO THE ACTION IS NEXT TIME WE MEET, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT EXAMPLE, POSITIVE EXAMPLES OF HOW TO ENCOURAGE OKAY. PROGRAMS, EXAMPLES. AND WE'LL HAVE THE ORDINANCE AND WE CAN RIGHT. HE'LL SEND OUT THE ORDINANCES AHEAD OF TIME. YEP. CAN YOU SEND THEM OUT? LIKE I'LL SEND THEM OUT. YEAH, I'LL SEND 'EM OUT ABSOLUTELY SOON. 'CAUSE LEE NEEDS MORE SPIN UP TIME THAN YOU GUYS DO. RIGHT. SO THAT'S OKAY. I NEED REVIEW JUST BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S MORE THAN ONE ORDINANCE AND YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A FEW THINGS TO REVIEW. SO IT'S, UM, PLUS I HAVE TO, AND THEN THE IDEA WOULD BE TO PUT IT IN FRONT OF THE BOARD SUPERVISORS TO APPROVE SOMETHING IN SEPTEMBER. RIGHT. I HAVE TO PASS THE, PROBABLY NOT SEPTEMBER BECAUSE THERE'S A LEAD TIME FOR HOW LONG YOU HAVE TO ADVERTISE IT BEFOREHAND. SO PROBABLY TALK IN OCTOBER. YEAH. BUT GENERALLY OCTOBER, NOVEMBER. IF IT'S NOT A, IF IT'S NOT A BAN AND IT'S AN ENCOURAGEMENT, THEN IF IT'S A POLICY, THAT'S ONE THING. IF IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH AN ORDINANCE, THERE'S LEGAL FRAMEWORK OF TIME THAT WE HAVE TO DO. SO WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT IN SEPTEMBER. SO HAS THERE BEEN, SORRY, JUST FOR MY HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE, HAS THERE BEEN ANY PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD ON THIS PROPOSAL? IT HASN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR. IT HASN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR. JUST SO WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYONE NO. FROM ANYONE YET? NO. OKAY. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO THE BOARD TO, TO MAKE IT BENEFICIAL. OKAY. UM, THE OTHER THING THAT'S NOT ON HERE, AND THEN WE'LL GET TO KEN AND HE CAN UPDATE SOME MORE. BIRD 10, IS WE HAVE TO TAKE THE, UM, LOCAL CLIMATE ACTION PLAN THAT THEY PROVIDED TO US. WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT AND MAKE SURE IT'S WHAT WE WANT IT TO SAY, HOW WE WANT IT TO SAY IT. AND THEN RECOMMENDED THE BOARD THAT THEY HAVE APPROVED IT. THEY WERE HERE. I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH IT. I THINK IT SHOULD BE FAIRLY ADMINISTRATIVE AT THIS POINT. BUT THERE'S A PROCESS TO ADOPT IT. THAT, THAT WE HAVE [00:40:01] TO GO THROUGH. WHAT ARE THE STRINGS FOR ADOPTING HAS TO COME TO US. WE HAVE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AT THE EAC SHOULD GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THEY SHOULD GET A DISCUSSION OF IT, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD TO ADOPT IT BECAUSE IT BECOMES PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THEN THERE'S AT LEAST A 30 TO 45 DAY REVIEW PERIOD. I KNOW, LIKE I SAID, IT'S ADMINISTRATIVE. WE DON'T HAVE OUR NEXT MEETING UNTIL SEPTEMBER, SO IT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR. RIGHT. BUT THERE, BUT WE, I WILL TACK IT ONTO OTHER HEARINGS BECAUSE THERE HAS TO BE AN OFFICIAL HEARING. OKAY. YEAH. IT'S A FIVE MINUTE THING AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. BUT IT HAS TO HAVE, WE HAVE TO THE COURT REPORTER HERE AND WE HAVE TO DO ALL THIS SORT OF TECHNICAL INFORMATION AND MAKE IT PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. OKAY. WELL, NOT HORRIBLE, BUT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR IS THE SUPPORT OF SUPERVISORS GOING TO APPROVE THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. THEY, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET. YES. I DUNNO WHAT'S IN IT. I UNDERSTAND. AND, AND IT'S, IT'S, IT WAS DONE BY PENN STATE LAST YEAR OR IN THE SPRING. THEY, PENN STATE STUDENTS CAME HERE AND PRESENTED TO THE BOARD. THE BOARD WAS VERY GREAT. APPRECIATIVE, I GUESS WAS, IS THERE A RECORDING OF THAT? YEAH, ONE OF WHAT THEY WERE THE MAIN MEETING THAT WAS, IT MUST HAVE BEEN THE MAY. YEAH. GRADUAT. I WOULD GO BACK TO THE MAY SUPERVISOR'S MEETING. MAY, 2025. YEAH. OKAY. BUT APRIL, I THINK IT WAS APRIL. APRIL. WAS IT APRIL MEETING BECAUSE THEY WERE GRADUATING IN MAY. THAT'S RIGHT. THEY DID ASK ME TO COME AND SIT AND THEY WERE PO IT WAS POSITIVELY WELL RECEIVED. IT WAS VERY WELL RECEIVED. I, I THINK THERE WAS SOME GOOD QUESTIONS AND I THINK IT WAS VERY WELL RECEIVED. OKAY. THEY'VE ASKED ME TO SIT IN ON THEIR, FOR NEXT YEAR'S, UM, PLAN. UM, WHOEVER'S DOING THE PLAN FOR THIS UPCOMING SCHOOL YEAR, THEY WANNA HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR. AND SINCE IT'S TIED IN WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THEY ASKED ME TO DO IT. SO I'M GONNA BE DOING THAT AT THE END OF THE MONTH. OKAY, COOL. YEP. YEP. UH, OKAY. UM, I THINK WE SKIPPED NUMBER THREE. WE, WE WERE GOING TO NUMBER THREE AND WE, THEY JUMPED QUICKLY TO THE ORDINANCES. WELL, I, I THINK THE META DIGRESS CONVERSION. OH YEAH. WE'VE, WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THAT, BUT THEN WE SORT OF, IT GOT STALLED AGAIN. SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO BRING BACK THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE. AND YOU HAD PROVIDED SOME ORDINANCE LANGUAGE, I THINK, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. FOR SOME OF THOSE CONVERSIONS. SO I CAN BRING THAT LANGUAGE BACK AND WE CAN WITH ALL OF THESE, WITH THREE AND FOUR FOR BRING THEM BACK AS A PACKAGE FOR SEPTEMBER TO TALK ABOUT. OKAY. I, I MEAN, I'M JUST READING HERE. GRANTS AND EDUCATIONAL EFFORTS. YES. NOT SO MUCH AN ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, REGARDING WEEDS AND GRASS CUTTING. MM-HMM . CHRIS, IT'S NOT THAT SO MUCH AS WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP ITSELF. WE COULD START CONVERTING FROM GRASS TO MEADOW OR, I MEAN, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE GETTING, UH, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP. AFTER WE MOW STOPPED MOW MY FRONT YARD. , I STOPPED, WE STOPPED MOWING A LONG TIME AGO. AND I HAVE THISTLE THAT'S THIS HIGH AMONG OTHER WEEDS, BUT WHATEVER. UM, THAT'S, NOW WE, THIS IS WHERE THE EDUCATION COMES IN. RIGHT. BECAUSE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SPECIFICALLY RIGHT, BUT ARE THEY WEEDS OR ARE THEY BUTTERFLIES OR THEY, OR YEAH. ARE THEY NATIVE PLANTS? POLLINATOR GARDEN POLL GARDEN. WHICH, WHICH BY THE WAY, THERE'S, THERE'S I GUESS A RETENTION POND OUT FRONT IN FRONT OF THE FIRE STATION IN FRONT OF US. YEAH. THE, THE MIDDLE AISLE IS, IS ALL. UM, YEAH. YEAH. SO WHY IS IT MOW GRASS? I DUNNO. FIRST I ASK, UM, TO BE PERFECTLY FRANK, WHY IS IT MOW GRASS? WELL, RIGHT NOW IT'S MOW GRASS BECAUSE THAT WAS THE AESTHETIC THAT WAS ORIGINALLY HERE. SO IT'S JUST BEEN KEPT UP. OKAY. WELL WE JUST KEEP ON WHAT WE'RE ASKED TO KEEP GOING WITH. OKAY. CAN'T WE TURN THAT INTO LIKE A RAIN GARDEN OR SOMETHING ELSE? I FEEL LIKE BESIDES MOW GRASS, WE, AND WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE, THERE ARE AREAS OF THE TOWNSHIP, OF OUR PARK SYSTEMS THAT WE CAN ABSOLUTELY CHANGE. THERE'S AREAS THAT CANNOT BE CHANGED FOR SIGHT LINE PROBLEMS. SURE. BUT YES, WE CAN, WE'VE ALREADY DESIGNATED ONE SPOT IN ANDERSON. UM, I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO, AGAIN, TO THE EDUCATION POINT, LIKE WE DON'T, WE NEED TO GET IT OUT THERE TO PEOPLE AS TO WHY THIS ONE AREA IS NO LONGER MOW AND WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT. RIGHT. YOU KNOW? RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY. AND AS FAR AS HOAS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE TOWNSHIP, YOU KNOW, CONVERT AS MANY PIECES OF OUR PROPERTY INTO MEADOW POLLINATOR, WHATEVER. RIGHT. WE'LL BE DOING SOME OF THAT WITH BIRD TOWN YES. AND USE THAT AS THE EDUCATION BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, GO TO THE OA SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING. YEAH. AND WE'LL NEED EDUCATED PARTNERS TO TELL US WHAT IS INVASIVE, WHAT'S NOT INVASIVE. 'CAUSE US JUST SAYING THAT ISN'T AS IMPORTANT AS SOMEONE FROM PENN STATE COMING AND SAYING, THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD PLANT. THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD CUT. 'CAUSE WE HAVE PLENTY OF INVASIVE, I WAS SUPPOSED TO SAY THIS TO THIS MEETING TONIGHT FROM PUBLIC WORKS, IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF AREAS, OUR PROPERTY, THAT THEY WILL BE MOWING THROUGH SOON BECAUSE IT HAS TAKEN OVER BY INVASIVES. MM-HMM . SO SOME OF OUR PROPERTIES THAT WE WERE TRYING TO LIKE [00:45:01] LET GROW WITH, UM, I WANNA SAY IT'S THIS LITTLE, BUT I MIGHT BE, I MIGHT BE WRONG, BUT THEY'RE PODS FOR SEEDLINGS THAT ARE NOW OVERTAKEN WITH INVASIVES. I DON'T MIND THE THISTLE, BUT WE'VE BEEN FIGHTING LESSER SINE FIG BUTTERCUP FOR OVER FIVE YEARS. AND IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO GET RID. IMPOSSIBLE. IT'S FIVE ACRES OF IT BLANKETED EVERYWHERE. UM, THAT'S MY OWN MIND. AND IN THE MEANTIME, IN TRYING TO DO MY OWN MEADOW IN THE FRONT PART OF MY PROPERTY, UM, MY HUSBAND ACCIDENTALLY WENT THROUGH THE NEIGHBOR'S ELECTRIC INVISIBLE FENCE, WHICH WAS 18 INCHES OVER INTO OUR PROPERTY. OH. BROKE HIS INVINCIBLE FENCE. AND HE HAS A DOG THAT HAS CHARGED, MY HUSBAND HAD BITTEN KNEE. OH GEEZ. YEAH. SO IT'S LIKE, MOVE YOUR BLOODY FENCE. OKAY. ANYWAY, MOVING ON. I, I THINK, I THINK FOR THE NEXT MEETING WE CAN LOOK AT A PLAN FOR EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES AND, AND SUE AND I WILL SIT DOWN AND COME UP WITH A PLAN NOT TO PLANT THIS SPRING, BUT TO PLANT, NOT TO PLANT THIS FALL, BUT TO PLANT SOMETHING NEXT SPRING. SURE. DURING THAT GROWING SEASON. AND, AND WE'LL FIND AN AREA TO WE'LL MAKE AND WE WE'LL, WE WILL BE THAT. ABSOLUTELY. AND LOOKING INTO THE POSSIBLE GRANTS. I MEAN, I DID ABSOLUTELY SOME LINKS OVER. SO. YEP. I SAW ALL THIS. WE CAN GET STATE GRANTS AND STUFF TO DO THESE VARIOUS PIECES. I THINK THE SMALL SCALE ONES WE'LL PROBABLY JUST HAVE TO PUT IN THE BUDGET AND NOW'S A GOOD TIME TO DO IT BECAUSE WE'RE PUTTING BUDGET NUMBERS TOGETHER AFTER THAT, ONCE WE SORT OF HAVE SOME EXAMPLES, THEN WE CAN MOVE IT FORWARD AND TRY TO DO IT ON A LARGER SCALE THROUGH BRANDS. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? OKAY. [5. Discussion on Bird Town effort] KAY. BIRD TOWN. OKAY. SO, BECAUSE SUE ACTUALLY HELPED ME OUT HERE. YOU TOOK OVER THE PLANNED ACTIVITIES. YES. THAT THING, WHICH WAS GOOD. UM, A CONDUCT DROPPED OFF OUR SECOND THERE. SO THE BIRD TOWN WAS PASSED, THE RESOLUTION'S DONE, UH, PARKS AND RECS VOTED ON IT. WE, WE VOTED FOR, SO NOW IT'S FOR YOU GUYS TO STEP UP. UM, THE WHOLE THING IS, IS THAT'S NICE WITH THIS NO MO THEY WILL HELP US WITH WHAT PLANTS WOULD GO IN FOR A POLLINATION GUARD. SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHEN WE DO THE NO MO, THEY SAY WHAT ARE GONNA PUT THERE AND THEY SAY, OH, BY THE WAY, WE'RE GONNA OVER BIRD DOWN AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA PUT. SO IT'S, THEY WILL TEACH US HOW TO RAISE MONEY, HOW TO SELL BIRD DOWN TO PEOPLE WITHOUT THE MONEY PART, . UM, THEY'LL GIVE US ALL THE LITERATURE, ALL THE EDUCATION THAT WE NEED. THEY'LL COME OUT. THE THINGS TO STAY CURRENT WITH BIRD TOWN ARE, IT'S SMALL STUFF. IT'S ENGAGING WITH THE MUNICIPALITY. IT'S ONE OF 'EM IS TALK, THE BIG THING THEY TALK ABOUT ARE DIMMING LIGHTS ON CERTAIN NIGHTS. SO THE BIRDS DURING MIGRATION, SO THE BIRDS DON'T GET LOST. THEY, THEY HAVE, UM, WHAT WERE THOSE CALLED? IT'S NOT A NETTING, BUT THEY'RE LIKE DOTS YOU CAN PUT ON YOUR SLIDING GLASS DOORS. OH YEAH. THEY KEEP THE BIRDS FROM HITTING THE WINDOWS. OKAY. WHAT TO DO AND WHAT NOT TO DO. THERE'S A ANNUAL REPORT THAT WE HAVE TO COVER EVERY YEAR FOR THEM. AND A LOT OF IT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC GARDENS MAINTAINING AND DEMONSTRATION GARDENS, UH, REDUCING INDOOR AND OUTDOOR LIGHTING, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO A LOT OF IT IS TO EDUCATE EVERYONE AND HELP, UM, LET'S CALL 'EM CITIZENS , PEOPLE OF THE COMMUNITY TO START DOING IT THEMSELVES AT HOME. AND I THINK WHAT THE NOMO WOULD ACTUALLY BE A BIG HELP BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA SAY, WELL, I JUST DON'T WANT WEEDS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NOW. SO THERE WAS A, IT LOOKED LIKE ESSAY QUESTIONS. MM-HMM . IT WAS WHAT WE PLAN TO DO. WHAT ARE WE DOING? IS, IS OUR NEXT STEP. OKAY. AND I ASSUME THEY SENT THE CHECK? NO, NO, WE HAVE TO PUT IT IN WITH THE APPLICATION. SO THAT'S WHY I SENT YOU. OKAY. THAT WOULD THE APPLICATION. THE APPLICATION THAT WAS WITH THIS. OKAY. THEN. YEP. SO I WOULD SEND THAT ALL IN TOGETHER, THEN WE'LL GO NEXT STEP, WHICH WOULD BE FIGURING OUT WHAT WE ALREADY DID. WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. MM-HMM . AND THEN GETTING, UH, I GUESS AFTER THAT, AFTER WE DO THE APPLICATION, WE'LL GET ALL THE LITERATURE YES. FOR OUR, OUR FESTIVALS. WE'LL GET OUR SIGNS, WE'LL GET OUR SIGNS. WE GET TWO SIGNS TO PUT UP. POSSIBLY THOSE GOURDS. RIGHT? YES. WELL THE OTHER THING WAS, WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM THIS WAS THE SWIFT HOUSES. RIGHT. I DIDN'T KNOW HOW, IF WE WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. PROBABLY IN 26. OKAY. I'LL REACH OUT TO 'EM AND TELL 'EM TO HOLD OFF. 'CAUSE THEY DO THE SURVEYS NOW, RIGHT? THEY ORDER THE HOUSES IN THE SPRING. OKAY. PUT UP SO WE, I CAN TELL WE'LL PUSH IT OFF. GET YEAH. JUST SO WE CAN GET STARTED UNTIL WE GET GOING. YEAH. OKAY. AND THAT'D BE A GOOD IDEA. SO, SO FROM THIS COUNSEL, WOULD A LETTER OF SUPPORT, IF I WROTE, IF THEY SENT, HEY, WRITE A LETTER OF SUPPORT MM-HMM . IT'S OKAY FOR LORI TO SIGN IT. ABSOLUTELY. AND THEN WOULD THAT BE OUR NEXT MEETING? AS LONG AS THE COUNCIL ALL IS IN, YEAH. OBVIOUSLY THEY, BUT YEAH. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE, TO SUPPORT, TO APPROVE LORI SIGNING A LETTER OF SUPPORT. BUT WE DID ALL THAT. NO, NO. WE NEVER HAD THE LETTER OF SUPPORT. THIS IS A MORE FORMAL THING FOR THE APPLICATION. THEN I, I MOTION AND WE DO A LETTER OF FORMAL SUPPORT [00:50:01] SIGNED BY LORD. SECOND. SECOND. HE'S THE MOTION GUY. YOU'RE THE SECOND GUY. I'M THE SIGNER. YEP. THERE WE GO. AS LONG AS WE GET THE FIVE OR FOUR. WELL, OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND EVERYBODY VOTE A OR LONG? THERE'S ONLY FOUR. HE'S ALREADY SECOND. NOT FOR NEXT MONTH. MONTH . UM, THAT'S FINE. I'LL WRITE THE LETTER AND I'LL, I'LL SUE AND I'LL WRITE THE LETTER AND WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT AND WE'LL PUT ON THE LETTERHEAD AND I'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN YOU CAN COME IN AND SIGN IT. OR YOU CAN DO IT ELECTRONICALLY, WHATEVER. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S OUR ATTACK. AND WE'RE HITTING UP AGAINST MY NEXT MEETING. SO 1, 1, 1 VALLEY FORGE, AUDUBON SOCIETY IS HAVING THEIR ANNUAL MEETING AUGUST 3RD AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON. I THINK THAT'S A SUNDAY. YEAH. SUNDAY, AUGUST 3RD, TWO TO SIX. A LOT OF INFORMATIONAL STUFF THERE. A LOT OF GOOD THINGS TO HEAR, THINGS TO SEE WHAT WAS, THEY'RE ALREADY A BIRD COUNT, RIGHT? I THINK THEY'RE ONE OF THE ONES THAT WAS ON THE LIST. MM-HMM . THERE'S LIKE 14 COUNTIES, TOWNSHIPS THAT ARE ALREADY INVOLVED IN YEAH. WELL THIS, THIS IS THE AUDUBON SOCIETY. OKAY. AND THEY CERTAINLY, AND THEN THERE'S USUALLY SOMEBODY FROM BIRD TOWN AT THESE ANNUAL MEETINGS. RIGHT. WELL, THAT'S THE THING IS THE BIG, THE BIG AUDUBON SOCIETY THAT WAS DOWN HERE MERGED THE BIG MID-ATLANTIC. THEY DROPPED THE BIRD TOWN. BIRD TOWN PICKED UP AND STARTED THEIR OWN ORGANIZATION. REALLY? YEAH. EXCUSE ME. OH. OH, THANKS JEFF. BUT THAT'S WHY THEY'RE THERE. THEY'RE REPRESENTING THERE BECAUSE AUTO BOND DOESN'T ACTUALLY CARRY IT ANYMORE. OKAY. I TAKE IT. WE'RE DONE. WE HAVE TO MOTION TO LEAVE. SO A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I HAVE MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND. WE'RE DONE. DO WE LEAVE EVERYTHING WHERE HERE WE, YES. I'LL TAKE ALL THE NAME PLATES AWAY, BUT OTHERWISE I THINK WE CAN LEAVE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.