[CALL TO ORDER]
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I HAD LIKE TO CALL THE ORDER THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP.
UH, IF EVERYONE WOULD PLEASE RISE YOUR APRIL, JOIN ME P UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, ONE NATION UNDER GOD IN THE JUSTICE.
[MOTION TO APPROVE BOARD AGENDA]
WE NEED APPROVE OUR AGENDA.I'LL MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE THE APRIL 21ST, 2025 FOR SUPERVISORS FOR YOUR MEETING AGENDA.
[SPECIAL PRESENTATION]
HAVE A PRESENTATION THIS EVENING FOR, UH, DAN DALEY, WHO WAS THE LONGTIME PRESIDENT OF THE SCHU CANAL HISTORICAL SOCIETY.AND I BELIEVE THAT JOE WEBSTER, OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVE, IS GONNA COME FORWARD AND DO THAT PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME JUST A, A FEW MINUTES, CHAIRMAN.
AND WE'LL JUST TAKE A FEW MINUTES.
BETSY, WOULD YOU COME STAND WITH ME? WOULD YOU DO THAT? IS THAT APPROPRIATE? YES.
I HAVE A, A CERTIFICATE FROM THE PENNSYLVANIA HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TO PRESENT TO BETSY IN HONOR OF DAN.
AND AS I LOOKED AT THE CERTIFICATE COMING OUT HERE, I REALIZED THIS COULD SIMPLY BE ANOTHER PIECE OF PAPER THAT'S GOT SOME WORDS ON IT.
OR WE CAN LOOK AROUND THE ROOM AND RECOGNIZE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE STANDING WITH US.
AND AT LEAST LET YOU KNOW FROM, FROM THIS GROUP AND FOR MYSELF AND, AND LEADER BRADFORD HAS TO APPROVE THIS.
AND, AND SPEAKER MCCLIN HAS TO APPROVE THIS.
AND, AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WORDS ARE HEARTFELT IN THAT.
AND, AND AS YOU KNOW, UH, MY COLLEAGUE MARY JOE DAILEY
AND SO I'M GONNA TAKE A MOMENT AND READ THE CITATION.
UM, IT'S A FORMAL WHEREAS, AND THEREFORE, UM, BUT IT'S GOOD.
THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA JOINS WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS TO HONOR AND CELEBRATE THE WONDERFUL LIFE AND MEMORY OF DANIEL F DAILEY.
WHEREAS DAN WAS BORN, WAS BORN ON JANUARY 15TH, 1954 TO THE LATE FRANCIS XAVIER DAILEY AND MARY ELLA BECKER DAILY IN PHILADELPHIA, PENNSYLVANIA.
DAN WAS A LOVING HUSBAND TO ELIZABETH B DALEY AND DEVOTED FATHER OF PATRICK, SARAH, AND CORNELIUS, SURROUNDED BY FAMILY.
DAN WAS A DEAR BROTHER OF MARY JO, SARAH FRANCIS EXIT JR.
ELIZABETH THOMAS AND AN ANTHONY DAILEY.
AND WHEREAS A VETERAN OF THE UNITED STATES NAVY, DAN SERVED FROM 1975 TO 79 AS AN ELECTRICIAN'S NAME.
HE THEN TURNED THIS WORK INTO A CAREER WORKING AS AN ELECTRICIAN FOR THE GENERAL ELECTRIC LOCKHEED MARTIN COMPANIES.
DAN'S UNWAVERING DEDICATION TO HIS TRADE WAS TRULY ADMIRABLE.
AND WHEREAS DAN'S IMMEASURABLE SERVICE TO VOLUNTEER WORK IN HIS COMMUNITY IS YET ANOTHER HIGHLIGHT OF HIS IMPACT AND A REFLECTION OF HIS CHARACTER, HE DEDICATED COUNTLESS HOURS AS A LOCK TENDER OF LOCK 60 ALONG THE CHUCO CANAL, ENSURING THE LAND WAS MAINTAINED, PROTECTED, AND READY, READILY AVAILABLE FOR USE.
AND NOW THEREFORE, THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA EXTENDS HEARTFELT SYMPATHY AND CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILY AND FRIENDS OF DANIEL F DAILEY.
TO THOSE WHO MOURN, MAY YOU FIND COMFORT IN THE PEACE THIS WONDERFUL SOUL HAS SURELY FOUND.
AND IN THE LEGACY HE LEFT BEHIND.
AND BETSY, I I MET DAN A COUPLE OF TIMES EARLIER.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHO IT WAS WHO WOULD OPEN THE LOCK FOR MY KAYAK ON THE, ON THE SKU SOJO.
UM, AND, AND THEN I MET HIM, UH, IN MY FACE AFTER HURRICANE IDA BECAUSE HE DEFENDED THAT COMMUNITY AND WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO TO HELP US RECOVER? AND HE WAS VERY DIRECT.
I'LL MAKE ONE COMMENT, UH, ABOUT THAT.
UM, I SERVE ACROSS FIVE MUNICIPALITIES AND, UH, 74 HOMES WERE LOST TO FAMILIES DURING THAT FLOOD.
IN THOSE FIVE MUNICIPALITIES, UH, UPPER PROVIDENCE WAS THE BEST RESPONSE OF, OF THE SUPPORT THAT THESE SUPERVISORS PROVIDED IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND DAN WAS AT THE HEAD OF THAT MAKING SURE HE GOT EVERY, EVERY, UH, HEAD
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TURNED AND EVERY JOHN TITTLE SIGNED.AND THEN LAST, ABOUT A YEAR AGO, I GUESS THE LAST TIME I WENT THROUGH THAT LOCK, UH, DAN WAS AT THE TOP IN HIS KILT UHHUH TO HARMONIOUSLY REOPEN LOCK 60.
AND, AND THAT'S WHEN I KNEW THAT HIS SPIRIT WAS ACROSS THE COMMUNITY.
I JUST WANNA OFFER YOU THIS THANK YOU FROM A, A COMMONWEALTH THAT'S HEARTFELT AND I'M THANKFUL.
[PUBLIC COMMENT]
THE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.UH, IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE COME FORWARD TO THE, UH, PODIUM AND THE MICROPHONE AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND YOUR STREET ADDRESS.
CAN YOU PLEASE HOLD THREE MINUTES IF POSSIBLE? MY NAME IS FRED SHELL, 5 32 HOLLOW ROAD.
UH, THE ONLY COMMENT, THERE ARE SO MANY DEAD TREES ALONG THE ROADWAYS AND, AND WITH WHAT HAPPENED A COUPLE WEEKS AGO IN DELAWARE COUNTY AND THEN A, A YEAR AGO OVER IN COLLEGEVILLE, I DON'T KNOW IF THE TOWNSHIP CAN DO ANYTHING WITH THESE LAND OWNERS THAT DON'T CUT DOWN THEIR DEAD TREES.
UH, I I KNOW THE, THE ROAD CREW IS, IS EXCELLENT THAT DOES THEIR HERE IN THE TOWNSHIP, BUT IT SHOULDN'T ALL FALL ON THEM.
IT'S, IT, SOME OF THE LANDOWNERS JUST DON'T TAKE CARE OF THEIR, THEIR, AND IF IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH TO A, TO THE ROAD, THAT CAN CUT A HOUSE, A, A, A CAR IN HALF.
I I DON'T KNOW IF THE TOWNSHIP CAN DO ANYTHING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN SEND NOTICES OUT TO THESE LAND OWNERS OR, OR WHAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S MY COMMENT.
I JUST DON'T WANT ANYBODY ELSE KILLED BECAUSE OF A DEAD TREE.
I LIVE ON 1 35 WHITAKER AVENUE, AND I KNOW YOU'RE NOT DISCUSSING ONE 40 WHITAKER AVENUE TODAY, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS.
I LOOKED UP ON THE INTERNET WHAT ZONING IS SUPPOSED TO BE, AND IT SAYS, ZONING IS THE MAIN PLANNING TOOL OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO MANAGE THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF A COMMUNITY, PROTECT NEIGHBORHOODS, CONCENTRATE RETAIL, BUSINESS, AND INDUSTRY AND CHANNEL TRAFFIC.
OKAY, NOW I'M JUST WONDERING WHY IT'S POSSIBLE TO BUILD 51 TOWNHOUSES IN A AREA THAT'S ZONE COMMERCIAL AND NONE OF THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS NEED TO BE CONTACTED OR NOTIFIED ABOUT THIS.
AND THIS CAN HAPPEN AT NINE, UH, 51 TOWN HOMES CAN BE BUILT IN SOMETHING ZONE COMMERCIAL.
UH, MY QUESTION IS, ARE WE PLANNING OR JUST APPROVING? ARE WE PROTECTING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS OR CHANGING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS? ARE WE CHANNELING TRAFFIC OR ARE WE JUST ACCEPTING THE CONGESTION IT'S GONNA MAKE, MY SECOND COMMENT DEALS WITH COMMUNICATIONS.
I KNOW YOU HAVE A WEBSITE AND EVERYTHING'S ON THE WEBSITE AND THE AGENDAS ARE POSTED 24 HOURS AHEAD OF TIME.
BUT IN OUR DAYS NOW, 24 HOURS REALLY ISN'T A LOT OF TIME FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE CHANGES TO COME TO MEETINGS.
I ALSO KNOW YOU PUT NOTICES IN NEWSPAPERS.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE DO NEWSPAPERS ANYMORE.
BUT MAYBE IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE OF ANOTHER WAY TO NOTIFY THE PUBLIC.
AND I THINK TODAY IT'S A PRETTY GOOD ATTENDED MEETING, BUT I HOPE THAT YOU WOULD WANT MORE PEOPLE TO ATTEND THESE MEETINGS THAT ARE HERE, THAT ARE, THAN ARE HERE TODAY.
AND I DON'T THINK WE JUST HAVE ENOUGH INTERACTION WITH THE COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, THOSE WERE MY TWO CONCERNS ABOUT THE ZONING AND THE COMMUNICATION.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE COMMENT TONIGHT? HELLO, MY NAME IS MARY ANN O'BRIEN.
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I LIVE AT 15 IROQUOIS DRIVE IN MINGO VILLAGE, AND I WANNA MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT THE PROPOSED TWO HOUSES THAT YOU CAN BUILD OFF OF, UH, IROQUOIS DRIVE.I'VE LIVED ON IROQUOIS DRIVE FOR 50 YEARS, AND THE BEGINNING IN THE, UH, BEGINNING OF, UH, THE EIGHT, UM, EIGHTIES, UH, WE WERE TOLD, UH, THAT THE, THE ORIGINAL BUILDER WAS NOT GONNA BUILD ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY BECAUSE IT WASN'T VIABLE TO BUILD ON.
NOW, IF A MAN WHO COULDN'T BUILD FOR ALL THOSE HOUSES THAT HE BUILT, NOW SOMEBODY'S COMING ALONG THAT'S GONNA PUT TWO MORE HOUSES THERE, IT'S REALLY, I I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY WE WERE TOLD WAS NOT BILLABLE.
MY SECOND ON FOLLOWING THAT UP THEN I WANT TO SAY THAT I LIVE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL AT 15 IROQUOIS DRIVE.
AND NOW THE PAST FOR 30 MORE YEARS, MY, MY GROUND WAS NOT, UM, LIKE A MARSH.
NOW, AFTER A RAIN AND SNOW MELT, PART OF MY, UH, GROUND NOW IS ALL LIKE A LAKE.
TAKES A FEW DAYS FOR IT TO GO DOWN.
I'M CONCERNED IF YOU PUT TWO HOUSES UP THE STREET AND TO COME DOWN, THEN THE RUNOFF IS GOING TO MAKE MY PROPERTY WORSE.
I WANNA KNOW IF SOMEBODY COMING IN OUT OF THE BLUE JUST TO BUILD TWO HOUSES DOESN'T AND EFFECT PEOPLE OF THE BOARD.
THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIVED THERE ALL THESE YEARS AND HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT US.
THERE'S GOING BE, IT LOOKS FROM THE MAP OF THE, OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT OFF IROQUOIS, YOU'RE GONNA PUT LIKE A DRIVEWAY OR SOMETHING.
SO THAT'S MORE, UM, A CATTLE, ALL THE TREES, ALL THE SCRUB, ALL THAT THAT'S UP THERE.
IT'S JUST A SCRUBBY LITTLE PIECE OF GROUND.
BUT ALL THAT RUNOFF IS GOING TO COME DOWN.
ALL THE, ALL THE NEIGHBORS DOWN THE STREET OVER THE YEARS, THE LITTLE CREEK THERE, WHICH WAS MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE FEET ACROSS IS NOW DOUBLE THAT SIZE.
AND IT'S GOTTEN VERY, VERY DEEP.
AND AS IN A TESTAMENT TO THAT, YOU HAD TO REDO THE, UH, BRIDGE AT EL KEOKUK BECAUSE IT HAD ALL WASHED AWAY FROM THE CREEK THAT HAS WASHED DOWN FOR ALL THESE 50 YEARS.
SO WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN NOW? IT'S ONLY TWO HOUSES, BUT IT'S DISTURBING ALL THE, UH, GROUND WHERE I UNDERSTAND THAT SOMEONE JUST TOLD ME THAT IT USED TO BE A DUMP THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE KNOWS THAT.
BUT WHEN THE FARM WAS THERE, EXCUSE ME, MANY YEARS AGO, THEY SAID IT WAS A DUMP FOR THE FARM.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO, UH KNOW, UM, OR HOPE YOU CONSIDER NOT TO PASS THIS, TO PUT THESE HOUSES THERE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO AFFECT EVERYONE CREEKSIDE ON AIR COURT DRIVE.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENT? ALRIGHT,
[EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT]
UH, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT.AND, UH, WE HAD AN EXECUTIVE SESSION LAST WEEK AND, UH, WE DISCUSSED, UH, UH, THE CONSULTANT APPOINTMENT.
AND, UH, NEXT WE'RE GOING TO APPOINT A NEW SET OF TRAFFIC ENGINEERS FOR THE TOWNSHIP.
AND WE, THAT'S WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION LAST WEEK.
SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT GIL AND ASSOCIATES AS THE TOWNSHIP'S TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND.
AND NEXT WE ARE GOING TO APPOINT A NEW PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AND UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT DON KELLY AS THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.
[APPROVAL OF BILL LIST ]
NEXT WE HAVE APPROVAL OF THE BILL LIST.ALL OF THE DOCUMENTATION IS IN OUR PACKETS.
AND SO I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MARCH 1ST THROUGH MARCH 31ST, 2025 BILL LIST IN THE AMOUNT OF 1,389,000 3 56 13 CENTS.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE THE MOTION AND THE SECOND TO APPROVE THE BILL LIST.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
WE HAD, UH, OUR MINUTES FROM OUR MARCH MEETING.I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MARCH 17TH, 2025 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS REGULAR MEETING MINUTES.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
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THANK YOU.[PUBLIC HEARING]
WE COME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE MEETING.THERE IS NO PUBLIC HEARING IN THIS MEETING TONIGHT.
HOWEVER, THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS WILL BE HELD IN A SPECIAL MEETING ON THE BOARD TOMORROW NIGHT AT SEVEN O'CLOCK.
AND THOSE INCLUDE A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT AS PERMITTED AS A PERMITTED USE IN THE IO TWO ZONING DISTRICT.
UH, THE SECOND ITEM IS A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE AGRI AS A PERMITTED USE THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS.
AND THE THIRD ITEM WILL BE A CONDITIONAL USE HEARING FOR A WIRELESS COMMUNICATIONS FACILITY.
AND THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE A CELL TOWER LOCATED ON THE GROUNDS OF THE LOWER PERK VALLEY SEWER AUTHORITY, UH, TREATMENT PLANT DOWN IN OAKS.
SO THOSE WILL ALL BE TOMORROW NIGHT, SEVEN O'CLOCK HERE.
WE HAVE NO O OLD BUSINESS TO DISCUSS TONIGHT, SO
[NEW BUSINESS (ACTION/DISCUSSION ITEMS)]
WE'LL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS.AND, UH, OUR FIRST ITEM, NEW BUSINESS IS A PRESENTATION BY THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL AND THE PENN STATE UNIVERSITY STUDENTS AND PENN STATE UNIVERSITY STUDENTS REGARDING THE LOCAL CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN? UM, WHAT HE SAID AND IS, UM, WE HAVE BRANDY ROBINSON, WHO IS THE DIRECTOR, MENTOR, CO DIRECTOR OF THE PROGRAM, CO DIRECTOR OF THE PROGRAM AT PENN STATE, MICHAEL SPINELLI AND, UH, CARLIN BLASH.
AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM SINCE ABOUT LAST SEPTEMBER TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP REDUCE SUCH EMISSIONS AND WORK TOWARD A BETTER CLIMATE AREA.
SO LOCAL CLIMATE ACTION PLAN PLAN.
UM, SO LIKE LORI SAID, MIKEY AND I ARE HERE TO PRESENT THE EMISSIONS FORECAST AND CLIMATE ACTION PLAN FOR UPPER PROVIDENCE AS PART OF PENN STATE'S LOCAL CLIMATE ACTION PROGRAM.
SO I'M CARLIN, I'M AN EARTH SCIENCE MAJOR WITH CLIMATOLOGY AND POLITICAL SCIENCE MINORS, AND I'M GRADUATING IN THIS MAY.
I'M A COMMUNITY ENVIRONMENT AND DEVELOPMENT MAJOR, UM, MINORING IN POLITICS AND PUBLIC POLICY AND SUSTAINABILITY LEADERSHIP.
UM, AND I'M ALSO GRADUATING THIS MAY.
UM, AND SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THE LOCAL CLIMATE ACTION PROGRAM.
UM, AS LORI SAID, WE COME FROM PENN STATE.
UM, BRANDY IS THE CO-DIRECTOR ALONG WITH PETER BUCK.
THEY WORK FOR PENN STATE SUSTAINABILITY.
AND THEN WE WORK CLOSELY WITH, UM, THE PENNSYLVANIA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.
UM, THEY HELP US KIND OF COLLECT OUR DATA, UM, AND BUILD OUR EMISSIONS REPORTS.
AND THEN WE WORK WITH, UM, ILEY, WHO IS THE COMPANY THAT OWNS THE SYSTEM THAT WE CREATED THE REPORT WITH IT.
UM, AND THEN ALSO OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS WHO ARE EN LISTED ON THE RATE.
SO THIS REPORT, UM, CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AND EMISSIONS FORECASTING REPORT ARE PAIRED WITH AN EMISSIONS INVENTORY THAT WE COMPLETED IN THE FALL.
SO WE PRESENTED THIS IN THE FALL, BUT AS AN OVERVIEW, UPPER PROVIDENCE EMITS A LITTLE OVER 400,000 MEGATONS OF CARBON DIOXIDE EQUIVALENT EACH YEAR.
AND THIS IS MAINLY IN TRANSPORTATION, THEN FOLLOWED BY COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ENERGY AND THEN FOLLOWED BY RESIDENTIAL AND SOLID WASTE WATER AND WASTEWATER AND PROCESS OF FUGITIVE EMISSIONS MAKE UP THE REMAINDER.
UH, SO TO START OUR WORK THIS SPRING, UM, WE DEVELOPED SOMETHING CALLED A BUSINESS AS USUAL FORECAST.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT IS ON THE LEFT RIGHT HERE.
SO BASICALLY WHAT THE BUSINESS AS USUAL FORECAST IS SHOWING US IS, UM, ESSENTIALLY IF NO ACTIONS RELATED TO CLIMATE ARE, UM, PASSED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, THEN THIS IS WHERE OUR EMISSIONS WILL LIE.
SO THIS ONE, FOR EXAMPLE, IS SHOWING FROM 2023 TO 2050.
UM, AND I THINK THAT IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE REDUCTIONS.
UM, AND THAT IS BECAUSE THERE ARE GROWTH RATES IN GRID INTENSITY, INTENSITIES ADDED WITHIN THE BUSINESS AS USUAL FORECAST.
UM, SO THAT'S BOTH THE PROJECTED POPULATION GROWTH TO TILL 2050.
UM, AND THEN ALSO THE CHANGES IN GRID EMISSIONS INTENSITY, UM, FOR ELECTRICITY, AND THEN ALSO THE AVERAGE FUEL ECONOMY, UM, FOR VEHICLES.
UM, SO BASICALLY WHAT THIS IS SAYING IS THAT THERE IS A REDUCTION IN EMISSIONS TO 2050 BECAUSE THE, UM, POPULATION SIZE OR THE POPULATION GROWTH WITHIN UPPER PROVIDENCE IS, UM, LESS INTENSIVE THAN THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT WILL BE MADE ON THE GRID AND WITH FUEL ECONOMY.
UM, BUT WE STILL ALSO HAVE STRATEGIES TO
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RECOMMEND TO REDUCE THAT MORE.SO, LIKE MIKEY SAID, WE'VE PULLED OUT SOME STRATEGIES FROM PROVIDENCE TO FOCUS ON.
YOU'LL SEE THESE ICONS THROUGHOUT THE PRESENTATION.
SO I WANNA GO OVER THEM A LITTLE BIT FOR YOU.
SO THERE'S SEVEN CATEGORIES FOR EMISSIONS REDUCTIONS.
THESE ALL FOCUS ON EITHER ELIMINATING EMISSIONS BY REPLACING IT WITH, UM, AN ALTERNATIVE SUCH AS ALTERNATIVE MODES OF TRANSPORTATION, ENERGY CONSERVATION, THAT SORT OF THING TO REDUCE EMISSIONS OR WHENEVER EMISSIONS CAN'T BE REDUCED.
AND THEY STILL OCCUR REPLACING THOSE WITH A LOWER CARBON INTENSITY, SO A LOWER CARBON FUEL SOURCE OR, UM, INCREASING DIVERSION RATES OR DIFFERENT MODES OF DISPOSAL.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO CO-BENEFITS PRESENTED WITH THE DIFFERENT STRATEGIES.
THESE ARE BENEFITS OUTSIDE OF EMISSIONS REDUCTIONS THAT ARE PROVIDED TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO FOR UPPER PROVIDENCE, THESE INCLUDE SAVINGS FOR RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES.
THIS IS INCLUDED BY, UM, SAVINGS ON WATER BILLS AND ENERGY BILLS, AND THEN SUPPORT FOR PUBLIC HEALTH BY REDUCING AIR POLLUTANTS AND IRRITANTS, AND ALSO SUPPORTING ACTIVE LIFESTYLES.
AND THEN ENERGY SECURITY BY REDUCING STRAIN ON THE GRID AND ALSO SUPPORTING A SWITCH TO RENEWABLE ENERGY.
SO YOU CAN SEE HERE THE 19 STRATEGIES THAT ARE LAID OUT IN THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN THAT WE'VE CREATED.
UM, FOR EACH, WE'RE GONNA OVERVIEW JUST A COUPLE OF THEM THAT WE'VE PULLED OUT TODAY.
AND THIS IS GONNA BE MOSTLY A LOW AND OR LONG TERM AND A SHORT TERM STRATEGY WITHIN EACH SECTOR.
UM, WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT A SHORT TERM STRATEGY THAT YOU CAN FOCUS ON NOW AND WORK TO REDUCE EMISSIONS MORE IMMEDIATELY, BUT THEN PLAN FOR YOUR LONG TERM STRATEGIES A LITTLE LONGER, WHICH WILL BE BIGGER EMISSIONS REDUCERS, BUT WE'LL TAKE A LITTLE MORE PLANNING TO IMPLEMENT.
SO WE'RE GONNA START WITH TRANSPORTATION.
THE SHORT TERM, UM, STRATEGY IS REDUCING VEHICLES MILES TRAVELED.
THIS IS FOCUSED REALLY ON PERSONAL VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED.
UM, SO THIS COULD BE DONE BY CONNECTING WITH MONTGOMERY COUNTY ABOUT THEIR TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT.
UM, THEY PROVIDE ASSISTANCE FOR THIS AND LOWER MARION TOWNSHIP HAS AN EXAMPLE OF THIS.
IT'S CENTERED AROUND REDUCING A TRANSPORTATION DURING PEAK BUSY HOURS, SWITCHING TO ALTERNATIVE MODES OF TRANSPORTATION LIKE CYCLING OR CARPOOLING, EXPANDING DIFFERENT INFRASTRUCTURES THAT SUPPORT ALTERNATIVE MODES OF TRANSPORTATION AND INCREASING PUBLIC EDUCATION TO REALLY ENSURE THAT RESIDENTS ARE GETTING THE MOST OUT OF THIS AND WILL USE IT.
AND THEN OTHERS ARE ENCOURAGING EMPLOYERS TO OFFER TAX AND CREDITS OR PREFERENTIAL PARKING FOR THOSE EMPLOYEES THAT USE CARPOOLING OR PUBLIC TRANSIT.
AND THEN ALSO ENCOURAGING EMPLOYERS TO ALLOW TELECOMMUTING WHEN POSSIBLE.
SO THEN A LONG TERM STRATEGY IS IMPROVING BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE.
THIS IS HIGHLIGHTED IN THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, WHICH IS WHY WE WANTED TO INCLUDE IT HERE.
VIEW, UM, YOU'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED DEDICATED BIKE PATHS AND CROSSING SIGNALS TO BE IMPLEMENTED.
AND, UM, OTHER STRATEGIES IMPORTANT TO IMPLEMENTING THIS IS INCLUDING IMPROVEMENTS IN FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IN REPAIR SCHEDULES AND ALSO ENCOURAGING RESIDENT FEEDBACK TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS INFRASTRUCTURE IS WORKING FOR THOSE WHO ARE USING IT AND REALLY ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO USE IT AS WELL.
UM, SO THEN APPLYING BOTH OF THOSE STRATEGIES, UM, TO THE FORECAST FOR THE NEXT 25 YEARS.
UM, LOOKING FOR STUDENT ON THE LEFT, UH, WE SET TRANSPORTATION EMISSIONS TO HAVE A 2% REDUCTION, UM, OVER THE SPAN OF THE NEXT 25 YEARS.
AND AS CARLIN SAID, SOMETHING LIKE BMT REDUCTIONS ISN'T NECESSARILY A STRATEGY THAT CAN BE, UM, PURSUED ON ITS OWN.
UH, RATHER THERE ARE OTHER STRATEGIES SUCH AS THE IMPROVING BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE, PUBLIC TRANSIT USE, CARPOOL, UM, INCREASING WALKABILITY.
SO, UM, WHAT'S KIND OF SET UP RIGHT HERE IS SHOWING THAT IF WE IMPROVE BIKE INFRA INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN UPPER PROVIDENCE, THAT CAN IN ITSELF REDUCE VMT BY 0.16%.
SO THEN IF THE BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE IS IMPROVED MORE AND MORE EACH YEAR, THAT WOULD UM, BE A REDUCTION EACH YEAR.
AND THEN MOVING ON TO RESIDENTIAL ENERGY, THE SHORT TERM STRATEGY IS REDUCING OR AN ELECTRIFYING MOWING.
WE PICK THIS OUT AS SUPPORT IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THE UM, LMO RETENTION PONDS CASE STUDY THAT WE ALSO HAVE INCLUDED IN THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
SO THIS IS DONE BY ENSURING THAT LAWN HEIGHT ORDINANCES ALLOW FOR MEADOWS, WHICH WIPA TOWNSHIP HAS AN EXAMPLE UP THAT YOU CAN SEE TO THE RIGHT HERE.
IT BASICALLY LAYS OUT RULES FOR GETTING A PERMIT AND, UM, HOW A MEADOW COULD BE IMPLEMENTED.
AND THEN THIS IS PAIRED WITH HOMEOWNER EDUCATION ON ELECTRIC MOWERS AND ALSO INFORMATION ON REDUCING MOWING AND CONVERTING LAWNS TO MEADOWS, WHICH THE, UM, COMMONWEALTH THE PA PROVIDES MEADOW HELP UPON REQUEST.
THEN THE LONG TERM STRATEGY IS ELECTRIFYING AND IMPROVING
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THE EFFICIENCY OF HOMES.THIS BASICALLY WORKS BY, UM, ELECTRIFYING HOMES THAT USE NATURAL GAS FOR APPLIANCES OR HEATING, AND THEN ALSO MAKING SURE THAT THESE APPLIANCES ARE THE MOST ENERGY EFFICIENT TO USE LESS ENERGY.
SO STRATEGIES FOR THIS INCLUDE ENCOURAGING THE USE OF ENERGY EFFICIENT APPLIANCES THROUGH EDUCATION AND ALSO OFFERING INFORMATION ON, FOR EXAMPLE, ENERGY STAR PRODUCTS AND THEN ALSO ENCOURAGING DEVELOPERS TO BUILD ZERO ENERGY READY HOMES AS WELL AS HOMEOWNERS TO BUY THEM.
AND A BIG COMPONENT OF THIS IS EDUCATION ON DIFFERENT TAX CREDITS, UM, AND REBATES THAT ARE OFFERED FOR BOTH ENERGY EFFICIENT APPLIANCES AND ZERO ENERGY READY HOMES.
UM, SO OUR FORECASTING STRATEGY FOR THIS IS SPECIFICALLY IN ELECTRIFYING AND IMPROVING ENERGY EFFICIENCY.
AND UM, THERE'S TWO PARTS TO THIS.
ONE IS RETROFIT EFFICIENCIES, AND THEN THE OTHER PART IS ELECTRIFICATION PROJECTS.
SO STARTING WITH, UM, RETROFIT EFFICIENCIES, UM, THAT'S WHAT CARLY JUST COVERED IN THE PAST SLIDE, UM, STANDARDS FROM THE IECC, WHICH IS ALSO WHAT PENNSYLVANIA USES AS THEIR STATE ENERGY CODE, UM, STATES THAT 5% OF HOMES UNDERGO ENERGY RETROFITS ANNUALLY AND IT, UM, OFTEN LEADS TO A 20% ENERGY REDUCTION FOR EXISTING RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS.
UM, AND THEN A 37% ENERGY REDUCTION FOR NEW RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS IF THEY'RE BUILT WITH THESE RETROFITS.
UM, AND THEN THE TABLE RIGHT UP AT THE TOP SHOWS THE, UM, CHANGES IN NATURAL GAS AND ELECTRICITY.
UM, WE SEE THAT THERE'S A REDUCTION IN, UM, BOTH OF THOSE FOR RETROFITTING EFFICIENCIES, BUT THEN THERE WOULD BE A, UM, INCREASE TO ELECTRIFICATION IT AN INCREASE TO ELECTRICITY FOR ELECTRIFICATION PROJECTS.
UM, BUT THAT HAS A LOWER CARBON INTENSITY THAN USING NATURAL GAS FOR HEATING.
SO OVERALL, UM, IMPLEMENTING THESE STRATEGIES WOULD SHOW A 46% REDUCTION IN, UM, ENERGY FOR RESIDENTIAL ELECTRIFICATION.
THEN MOVING ON TO COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ENERGY, THE SHORT TERM ACTION IS BUILDING RETROCOMMISSIONING.
THIS ESSENTIALLY ANALYZES THE SYSTEMS LIKE HEATING AND COOLING SYSTEMS OF BUILDINGS AND ENSURES THAT THEY'RE RUNNING AT OPTIMAL EFFICIENCY AND IF THEY'RE NOT MAKING DIFFERENT CHANGES TO GET TO THE OPTIMAL EFFICIENCY.
SO STRATEGIES FOR THIS INCLUDE OFFERING EDUCATION FOR BUSINESS OWNERS ON RETROCOMMISSIONING, UM, AND ENCOURAGING THEM TO DO SO.
AND AN ALSO IMPORTANT FACTOR OF THIS IS NOTIFYING BUSINESS OWNERS OF THE DIFFERENT INCENTIVES THAT PICO PROVIDES.
THIS INCLUDES THEIR RETROCOMMISSIONING INCENTIVE AND THEIR VENTILATION IMPROVEMENT INCENTIVE AS WELL.
AND THEN THE SHORT OR THE LONG TERM ACTION, UM, IS INSTALLING SOLAR PHOTOVOLTAICS.
NOW THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT AVENUES TO DO THIS BECAUSE NOT EVERY BUILDING CAN HAVE SOLAR PANELS INSTALLED ON IT.
SO THE FIRST IS JUST PROVIDING BUSINESS OWNERS WITH, UM, INFORMATION ABOUT SWITCHING TO RENEWABLE ENERGY SUPPLIERS.
SO BASICALLY GETTING RENEWABLE ENERGY ON THEIR ENERGY BILL.
SO THIS CAN BE DONE THROUGH PA POWER SWITCH.
ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE IS, UM, SOLAR POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENTS, WHICH ESSENTIALLY A THIRD CO THIRD PARTY COMPANY WILL INSTALL SOLAR ON ANOTHER, UM, OWNER'S PROPERTY.
THEY OPERATE ALL THE SOLAR AND ESSENTIALLY THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY JUST BUYS THE SOLAR THAT'S PRODUCED FROM THE THIRD PARTY BUSINESS, BUT THEY DON'T ACTUALLY OWN THE SOLAR THEMSELVES.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST OPTION IS TO ACTUALLY INSTALL SOLAR.
SO THIS CAN BE DONE BY CONNECTING BUSINESS OWNERS WITH SOLAR INSTALLERS IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY AND ALSO, UM, INSTALLING SOLAR ON WAREHOUSES.
SO RISE PA IS PENNSYLVANIA'S GRANTS FOR REDUCING INDUSTRIAL ENERGY EMISSIONS.
THEY ALIGN WITH THEIR PRIORITY CLIMATE ACTION PLAN GOALS.
SO GRANTS WITHIN RISE PA CAN BE PURSUED TO INSTALL SOLAR ON WAREHOUSE BUILDINGS IN THE TOWNSHIP.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY THE TOWNSHIP INSTALLING SOLAR ON ITS APPROVED BUILDINGS ITSELF.
THE TOWNSHIP CAN LEAD BY EXAMPLE IN THIS WAY.
SO THIS CAN BE DONE WITH FUNDING FROM THE MOORE, UM, LOAN PROGRAM.
AND FERGUSON TOWNSHIP AS AN EXAMPLE, JUST INSTALLED SOLAR ON THEIR PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING SO THEY CAN BE USED AS A GREAT LEADER, AN EXAMPLE FOR THE TOWNSHIP IN THIS AS WELL.
AND THEN THE FINAL STRATEGY IMPORTANT TO THIS IS INFORMING, UM, BUSINESS OWNERS ON STATE AND FEDERAL INCENTIVES AND PROGRAMS. THIS INCLUDES MONTGOMERY COUNTY C PACE PROGRAM, WHICH PROVIDES LONG TERM AND LOW COST LOANS, AND THEN PICOS NET METERING TO ALLOW CREDITS BACK ON ENERGY BILL FROM INSTALLING SOLAR PANELS AND AS WELL AS DIFFERENT TAX CREDITS.
UM, UM, SO FORECASTING FOR RETRO COMMISSIONING, COMMISSIONING AND COMMERCIAL SOLAR.
UM, STARTING WITH SOLAR, WE USED THE NA, THE NATIONAL RENEWABLE ENERGY LABS PV WATTS TOOL, UM, WHICH IS A TOOL THAT CAN BASICALLY, UM, BREAK DOWN REGIONS AND SHOW THE SOLAR POTENTIAL WITHIN EACH REGION.
UM, SO FOR THIS REGION SPECIFICALLY, IF WE, UM, INSTALL 100 BUILDINGS ANNUALLY
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WITH A FOUR KILOWATT SOLAR INSTALLATION, UM, THERE WOULD BE AN AVERAGE INPUT OF 1,301 KILOWATTS, UM, PER HOUR.AND THE AVERAGE OR THE ANNUAL ELECTRICITY PRODUCED FROM THESE UNITS WOULD BE 520,400 KILOWATTS PER YEAR.
UM, AND THEN RETRO COMMISSIONING STRATEGIES, UM, BASED UPON THE CALIFORNIA ENERGY COMMISSION RETRO COMMISSIONING WOULD SOLVE WOULD, UM, SAVE 1.3 KILOWATT HOURS PER SQUARE FOOT AND 0.065 THERMS PER SQUARE FOOT.
UM, WE SET A STANDARD OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE BEING RETRO COMMISSIONED EACH YEAR, AND THAT WOULD RESULT IN A, UM, REDUCTION OF 900 METRIC TONS OF CO2 EQUIVALENT FROM YOUR B-O-U-B-A-U.
SO THEN THE FINAL SECTOR, SOLID WASTE AND WATER AND WASTEWATER WE DON'T HAVE EMISSIONS FORECAST FOR, BUT WE STILL WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT SOME ACTIONS FOR YOU.
SO FIRST OFF, WITH SOLID WASTE, THE UM, SHORT TERM STRATEGY IS REDUCING NON-RECYCLABLE MATERIALS.
SO ESSENTIALLY REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF WASTE THAT WILL BE PRODUCED, WHICH THEN REDUCES EMISSIONS.
SO THIS INVOLVES ENCOURAGING BUSINESS OWNERS TO REDUCE SINGLE USE PLASTIC PACKAGING AND STYROFOAM AND REPLACE IT WITH ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS AND THEN POTENTIALLY DEVELOPING A BAN ON SINGLE USE PLASTIC OR AN AVAILABLE ONLY ON REQUEST ORDINANCE FOR DIFFERENT SINGLE USE PLASTICS.
MONTCLAIR NEW JERSEY HAS AN EXAMPLE OF THIS, WHICH YOU CAN SEE TO THE LEFT.
UM, IT ESSENTIALLY JUST MEANS THAT FOOD ITEMS THAT ARE SINGLE USE PLASTICS ARE ONLY PROVIDED WHENEVER THE CUSTOMER REQUESTED AND NOT AUTOMATICALLY.
AND THEN LASTLY, OFFERING EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS, UM, ABOUT RESPONSIBLE CHOICES FOR WASTE REDUCTION FOR RESIDENTS.
AND THEN FINALLY WITH WATER AND WASTEWATER, THE ACTION IS INCREASING THE EFFICIENCY OF WATER USE AND MORE EFFICIENT WATER USE MEANS THAT LESS WATER WILL BE USED OVERALL, WHICH REDUCES EMISSIONS ASSOCIATED WITH TREATING THIS WATER.
AND THEN STRATEGY IS IMPORTANT FOR THIS ARE OFFERING EDUCATION ON LOW FLOW FAUCETS, SHOWER HEADS, TOILETS, AS WELL AS HIGH EFFICIENCY WASHING MACHINES AND DISHWASHERS.
AND IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF THIS IS ALSO HIGHLIGHTING THE COST SAVINGS AND REBATE REBATES AVAILABLE TO RESIDENTS, UM, FOR DOING THESE PROJECTS.
UM, SO THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR GIVING US THE TIME TO SHARE THIS WITH YOU.
UM, IF YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT ON HERE, THIS IS, UH, AN OUTLINE OF SOME MORE STRATEGIES THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AND THE FORECASTING REPORT.
AND IF YOU SCAN THIS QR CODE, WE HAVE A DRAFT, A DRAFT OF OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, UM, THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW AND PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? WE'LL ALSO GET THAT UP ON THE WEBSITE IN TOWN'S WEBSITE AND I'LL HAVE HARD COPIES FOR THE BOARD ONCE WE GET, WE HAVE TO GET TO EAC AND GO THROUGH SORT AN ADOPTION.
UM, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR NEXT DAC MEETING TALK ABOUT THIS MORE AND THEN THEY'LL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO ADOPT.
THEY'RE GRADUATING SO THEY WON'T BE AROUND, BUT, UM, THEY, THE IDEA WILL BE TO, TO ADOPT THIS AND TECHNICALLY BECOME PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AT THAT POINT.
FIRST OFF, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THE HARD WORK.
UM, ONE, UH, THE ORDINANCE FOR MEADOWS AND I KNOW LAURA'S A BIG FAN OF NOT CUTTING GRASS, THAT THAT SEEMS TO BE AN EASIER THING TO DO AND THE SINGLE USE PLASTIC, I'D LOVE TO SEE WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE ON THAT.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT AS A BOARD, SO I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF JUST IF PEOPLE ASK, 'CAUSE THEN YOU'RE NOT BANNING THEM FOR ANYTHING.
IT'S JUST THEY HAVE TO TAKE THE INITIATIVE AND THAT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD FIRST STEP.
AND THEN WE'RE PUTTING IN A NEW PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING AND I'D LOVE TO INVESTIGATE THE SOLAR PANEL.
AND THAT'S, YOU THINK YOU, SO THE EAC WILL THEN TAKE THE PLAN AND WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT
IT'S AS WITH EVERYTHING GETS FOLDED IN THERE, IT'S JUST ANOTHER PART OF THAT DOCUMENT.
ALRIGHT, THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA NUMBER SEVEN, CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 22 GRANTING TENTATIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR MONEY.
WHO STATES SIX 50 EACH OF THE ROAD.
UH, I AM COLIN CAMP FROM THE CROSSROADS GROUP.
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BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPER OF SIX 50 EACH OF LLC.UM, HE IS, UM, RESIDENT, UM, IN THIS TOWNSHIP AND HE'S LOOKING TO, UH, SUBDIVIDE OUT SIX 50 EGYPT, UM, ROAD, UM, WITH A FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION.
UM, UH, FOUR HOUSES ARE PROPOSED, UH, SINGLE FAMILY AND THE R ONE DISTRICT.
UM, THE SIZES ARE 50 BY 60 FOR THREE OF 'EM, AND THEN THERE'S A LARGER ONE, UM, ALL THE WAY TO THE, UM, TO, TO THE LEFT SIDE THERE, UM, AT A LARGER SIDE OF 75 BY 60 I I BELIEVE.
UM, SO, UH, WE RECEIVED A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, UM, WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, ON APRIL, I BELIEVE IT WAS FIFTH, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
UM, AND WE ARE LOOKING FOR, UM, UH, TENTATIVE
UM, THERE WERE A FEW WAIVERS, UM, AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, I WANTED TO, UH, UM, UH, GET THE BOARD'S THOUGHTS, THOUGHTS ON, UM, AT THIS TIME.
UM, I KNOW YOU GUYS CAN, UM, UH, ACT ON THEM AT THIS TIME.
UM, THE FIRST ONE BEING, UM, ROAD GEOMETRY, UM, AT THE START OF THE ROAD.
UM, ONE OF THE WAIVERS, UH, WE'D LIKE TO REQUEST IS, UM, VERTICAL CURVES.
UM, THE APARTMENT IS, UH, 25 OR 26 FEET, UM, AND WE WOULD LOOK TO HAVE A LESSER, UM, UM, FERAL CURVE FOR EACH CHANGE, UM, OF 15 FOOT.
UM, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS TO ALLOW, UM, FOR A STEEPER, UM, INCLINE AT THE START.
UM, BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY HAS, UM, HAS, UH, INTEREST IN CONNECTING TO THE PROPOSED
UM, UM, WE THE PROPOSED CUL THIS ACT, UM, WITH A CURTAIN CUT.
UM, AND THEN, UH, ANOTHER UM, UH, WAIVER WE LOOK TO REQUEST IS, UM, UM, THE SIDEWALK OF STOPPING AT THE PROPERTY LINE OF RYAN.
UM, THE REASON FOR THAT IS, UH, IT WOULD REQUIRE A, UM, RETAINING WALL, UM, AT THE CURRENT, UM, LAYOUT, UM, TO ALLOW FOR, UM, THE, THE SIDEWALK, UM, RIGHT THE SIDE IN BETWEEN THE, THOSE CUL-DE-SAC AND THE RYAN PROPERTY TO THE, TO THE NORTH.
UM, THERE, WHEN YOU SAY SIDE, SO THERE'S SIDEWALK IN THE CUL-DE-SAC, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SIDEWALK ALONG EGYPT? UH, SO WE, WE ARE PROPOSING SIDEWALK ALONG EGYPT, UM, WITHIN OUR PROPERTY, UM, ALONG OUR PROPERTY LINE, UM, BUT THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, UM, TO THE NORTH.
UM, SO RIGHT, RIGHT WHERE IT MAKES, UH, YEAH, RIGHT, RIGHT IN THAT AREA THERE, THAT'S THE, UH, UH, THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.
UM, AND WHERE, UM, WHERE WE WOULD ASK THE WAIVER OF IS, UM, JUST NORTH OF OUR CUL-DE-SAC IN BETWEEN THAT PROPERTY LINE, UM, UH, RIGHT ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE.
UM, THINGS LIKE A 200 FOOT PROPERTY LINE THERE.
JEFF, COULD YOU PUT THE AERIAL PHOTO OF YOU BACK UP AGAIN? SO WHERE EXACTLY ARE WE TALKING? OKAY, SO YOU, THE, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY DOWN IN THE CORNER THERE, THAT'S WHERE YEAH, THAT LITTLE, THAT LITTLE RECTANGLE JOT OUT RIGHT THERE.
UM, RIGHT WHERE, AND YOU'RE ASKING US TO WAVE, PUTTING A SIDEWALK ALONG THE FRONT OF THAT PROPERTY OR NO, HE'S ASKING FOR A WAIVER.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEXT ONE, IT'S, IT'S THE, AND HE, HE'S NOT ASKING FOR A WAIVER NOW, HE'S SORT OF JUST GETTING A FEELING FOR MM-HMM
WE DON'T GRANT WAIVERS ATTENTIVE, IT'S THE AREA BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE HERE FOR WHICH ON THIS ONE IS PLANNED NORTH AND IT'S, IT IS THE PROPERTY THAT RUNS ALONG THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
SO HE DOES, THEY DON'T WANNA PUT SIDEWALKS IN FOR THE 200 FEET OF THAT AREA, THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, THEY DIDN'T, THEY, THEY WANTED THEM TO PUT SIDEWALKS IN EVERYWHERE AND WANTED THEM TO INVESTIGATE GETTING SIDEWALKS ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THIS PROPERTY TO TALK TO THAT PROPERTY OWNER TO SEE IF IT WAS POSSIBLE TO WORK, TO, TO CONNECT THROUGH THERE.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I UNDERSTOOD.
YEAH, I I THINK OUR, OUR FEELINGS ARE GONNA BE THE SAME AS PLANNING COMMISSION ON THAT.
SO THEY ALSO SUGGESTED RUNNING ALONG THE FRONT OF THAT OTHER PROPERTY ALONG EGYPT? YES.
TRY MAKING CONTACT WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER, FINDING OUT THE FEASIBILITY OF IT.
OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T MAKE THEM DO ANYTHING OFFSITE, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD
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LIKE TO WORK WITH THEM AND THE PROPERTY OWNER TO GET IT DONE NOW AS OPPOSED TO HAVING YOU DO IT.AND THAT PROPERTY OWNER WOULD LIKE A, A CURB CUT FOR A SIDEWALK ON, I MEAN, FOR A DRIVEWAY INTO THEIR PROPERTY.
THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF THEIR, THEIR PLAN.
YES, WE MIGHT BE FAR MORE DISPOSED TO DO THAT AND GRANT THE, UH, THE WAIVER YOU NEED ON, ON THE STEEPNESS OF THE ROAD IF WE COULD, ALL THE SIDEWALK AS WE WANNA CONNECT OUR SIDEWALKS WHERE WE CAN, SO UNDERSTOOD.
AND THEN OF COURSE, TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF EGYPT.
WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE ON THE SPOT? NO, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
UM, EGYPT ROAD IS A STATE HIGHWAY, SO THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO GET A HIGHWAY OCCUPANCY PERMIT, SO THEY'RE GONNA BE ALL THE SAFE, UM, SITE DISTANCE, STOPPING DISTANCE, ET CETERA FOR THAT HIGHWAY OCCUPANCY PERMIT.
WAS THERE NO OPTION, WAS THERE NO OPTION TO PUT IT CONNECTED ON A JASPER OR HOLLOW OR IT ONE OUT ON THE YOUTUBE? I'M GUESSING THERE WAS A WAY TO CONNECT THERE, HUH.
UH, TO THE NORTH ON THE, ON THIS VIEW RIGHT HERE, THERE IS AN EXISTING, UM, UH, UN TRIBUTARY, UM, TO KU RIVER.
UM, AND THEN THERE IS A, UM, A SUBDIVISION, UM, TO THE SOUTH ON THIS VIEW, UM, THAT, UM, THAT THERE'S SOME HOUSES, UM, THAT WE WOULD, WOULD REQUIRE, UM, AN EASEMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHICH I, I, THERE'S ALSO A BASIN, UM, ON THE, UM, THE CENTRAL, UM, I WOULD SAY BASED OFF OF, UM, IT'S AT, UH, HOLLOW OR JASPER ROAD THERE.
UM, THERE'S ALSO A BASIN, UM, THERE, SO, UM, TRYING TO GAIN ACCESS OFF OF PUBLIC ROAD.
SO ACROSS THE STREET IS ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT ROAD, THEIR ROAD COMES OUT TO EGYPT.
WAS THAT AN EMERGENCY? I'LL SEE.
IS IT HERE? IS IT, IS IT JUST STEEP AT THE FRONT AND THEN IT'S LIKE FLAT OR LIKE A STEEP SLOPE AREA? YES, AT THE, THERE'S A BANK AT THE START AND THEN IT, UM, IT FLATS OUT.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT SHOWS ELEVATIONS YET, DO WE, JEFF? NO, THIS IS AS CLOSE AS WE CAN GET AT THIS AERIAL.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN PULL UP SOMETHING ELSE REAL QUICK.
UH, THE TENTATIVE SCOTCH PLAN SHOULD SHOW, UM, THE CONTOUR LINES FROM OUR SURVEY.
SO WHAT WAS THE BIGGEST LOT? YOU SAID IT WAS THE EXACT YEAH.
UM, AND, UH, ALL THE WAY TO THE, THE WHITE SIZE OF, OF THE PAGE THERE.
WELL, HE SAYS IT'S STEEP, AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T QUALIFY UNDER STEEP SLOPE ORDINANCE, SO IT'S NOT TRULY STEEP.
IT'S, IT'S, BUT IT'S NOT FLAT EITHER.
IT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T MEET THE DEFINITION OF OUR STEEP SLOPE ORDINANCE REALLY WELL TO GET A SPECIAL EFFECT FOR VARIANCE.
THE, THE THING, UM, I'M CONSIDERING IS THE, AT THE START OF THE ROAD, WE NEED A LANDING ZONE OF AT LEAST 4%, UM, UM, AND RIGHT AT THE, SORRY, IT'S ABOUT, UM, 10 TO 15%, UM, JUST UNDER THE STEEP SLOPE REQUIREMENTS AT THE TOWNSHIP.
SO THESE ARE DIFFERENT SIZE HOUSES, IT LOOKS LIKE JUST FROM VISUAL, THAT BACK LOT LOOKS BIGGER, IS THAT TRUE? YES.
UM, AND THAT'S TAKEN, UM, TO ACCOUNT, UH, STORMWATER DESIGN, UM, BEING TOWNSHIP AND, UH, UM, DEP STANDARDS AND WHAT'S THE PRICE POINT? UH, THE DEVELOPER, UH, SAID THE, UM, PLAN COMMISSION MEETING, UM, LAST, UH, TWO WEEKS AGO, A MILLION TO TWO IS WHAT HE WAS LOOKING FOR.
IS THE, IS THIS ROAD WIDE ENOUGH TO OUR, ARE THE TOWNSHIP STANDARDS OR? YEP, THE, THE ROAD IS TOWNSHIP STANDARDS.
UM, WE DID PREVIOUSLY, UM, SUBMIT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION A DIFFERENT PLAN, UM, AND THAT PLAN, UM, WAS AT 24.
UM, WE DID COME BACK WITH A TENTATIVE, UH, SKETCH PLAN, UM, THEREAFTER, UM, WITH THE TOWNSHIP STANDARD 32 FOOT AFTER RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
JEFF, WHAT WAS OUR RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION? THEY RECOMMENDED
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APPROVAL OF THE TENDER SKETCH WITH THE IDEA OF AT THE PRELIMINARY PLAN THAT THEY WOULD INCLUDE THE SIDEWALK ALONG THE, THEIR INTERNAL CUL-DE-SAC FOR THAT AREA AND TO INVESTIGATE TO LOOK INTO THE SIDEWALK ALONG EGYPT ROAD AND SEE HOW FAR THEY COULD GET WITH THAT AND, AND HOPEFULLY GET THAT OWNER ON BOARD.AND THE SIDEWALK GOES WHEN YOU COME OUT? IT'S ALSO TO THE RIGHT? YES.
AND THEN IS THERE A RETENTION BASIN AT ALL OR DO YOU NEED TO DO ANY OF THAT? UM, UH, I'LL LET THEM ANSWER THE ENGINEERS IN ROOM
IS THERE ANY KIND OF RETENTION BASIN NEEDED OR? YEAH, THEY'LL HAVE TO DO, THEY'LL NEED AN MPDS PERMIT, UM, FOR THIS.
SO THERE'LL BE PEAK FLOW CONTROL AND VOLUME CONTROL AS WELL WITH
UM, SO THE ONE ALL THE WAY TO THE WEST ON THIS, ON THIS VIEW.
UM, CURRENTLY, HAVE YOU DONE ANY INFILTRATION TESTING YET? UH, YES, WE HAVE.
UM, THEY'RE LOW RATES, UM, TYPICAL AROUND THIS AREA, LOW, BUT SOME, WHAT'S THAT? LOW, BUT SOME LOW, BUT SOME, UM, IN THE, UH, IN THE AREAS OF LOT THREE AND FOUR THERE WHERE, UH, WE HAD THE, UM, HAD THE INFILTRATION BASIN IN THE RAIN GARDEN, UM, THAT YOU SAW.
ARE YOU GOING ON PUBLIC SEWER AND WATER? YEP.
PUBLIC SEWER AND WATER CONNECTIONS.
UH, WE, WE DID GET A LITTLE CIRCLE LETTER ALREADY FROM PA AMERICAN.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
THIS IS TENTATIVE LAND DEVELOP TENTATIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT.
WE ARE GRANTING, SO WE'RE NOT FULLY ENGINEERED YET AND WE BACK AND FORTH A COUPLE OF TIMES AND I THINK THEY'LL SEE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT LEAST ONE MORE TIME.
FOR EACH LAND SET STEP, THANK.
OKAY, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DOT RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 22 GRANTING TENTATIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR MILLENNIAL ESTATES SIX 50 EACH OF THOSE.
ALRIGHT, UH, OUR NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 23 GRANTING FINAL LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR QUA DRIVE MINOR SUBDIVISION.
I'M NICOLE SCHWANK, I'M FROM GORSKI ENGINEERING.
I'M
MY COMPUTER SEEMS TO HAVE FROZEN.
I'LL LET THEM CONTINUE, BUT I'LL GET YOU THE GRAPHICS IN JUST A SECOND.
GO AHEAD, GO GET STARTED ON WHATEVER YOU WANNA SAY.
BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING ON A 2.54 ACRE LOT IS A TWO LOT MINOR SUBDIVISION.
WE HAVE A SHARED DRIVEWAY, TWO RESIDENTIAL HOUSES.
THIS IS IN THE R TWO ZONING DISTRICT.
WE'VE GOT AN NPDS PERMIT FOR THE GRADING AND ES MEASURES AND STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.
I GUESS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE CAN GO FROM THERE.
WE'RE ASKING FOR THREE WAIVERS.
IF YOU COULD JUST CONFIRM THE STORM ORDER CAPTURE FOR, TO ADDRESS THE WOMAN'S CONCERN WHO SPOKE EARLIER.
WE'RE BASICALLY MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STATE, WHICH IS TO CAPTURE THE TWO YEAR POST DEVELOPMENT VOLUME TO THE TWO YEAR PRE-DEVELOPMENT VOLUME, PLUS CONTROLLING THE RATES FOR THE HIGHER STORMS, THE FIVE YEAR THROUGH 100 YEAR STORMS. SO OUR CONCERNS ARE ADDRESSED BY THE APPROVED PLACE TO BE APPROVED, YES.
AND THE AND THE WAIVERS DO NOT IMPACT THE WATER CAPTURE? NO, THEY DO NOT.
THE WAIVERS ARE FOR, UM, THE LOCATION OF A STREET TREE TO PUT IT IN THE, UM, AREA BETWEEN THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY AND THE ULTIMATE RIGHT OF WAY.
WE HAVE A WAIVER REQUESTING, UM,
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INSTEAD OF USING REINFORCED CONCRETE PIPE USING A FOUR INCH PVC, THAT'S BASICALLY THE OUTLET CONTROL FOR BOTH THE, UM, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT BASINS.THEY'RE BOTH UNDERGROUND STORAGE BEDS AND WE ARE PROPOSING INFILTRATION.
WE DID GET INFILTRATION RATES OUT THERE.
SO TO MEET THE VOLUME REQUIREMENTS OF THE MPDS PERMIT, THE STATE WANTS YOU TO INFILTRATE FIRST.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE DOING IS INFILTRATION INSTEAD OF A, UM, DRY EXTENDED BASIN OR A MRC.
THE OTHER WAIVER THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS FOR ANTI SEED COLLARS.
BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A SMALL OUTLET PIPE, WE CAN REALLY ONLY FIT ONE ANTI SEAT COLLAR ON IT.
AND WE ALSO NEED A WAIVER TO NOT HAVE, UM, TWO FOOT EXTENDING ABOVE THE PIPE ON THE TOP SIDE ONLY BECAUSE OF THE, UH, BERM.
IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE STICKING OUT OF THE, THE BERM ON TOP.
WE HAVE A BERM AROUND THE BOTTOM PORTION, THE DOWNSIDE PORTION OF BOTH OF THESE INFILTRATION BEDS, BASICALLY AS DIRECTIONAL BERMS TO GET STORM WATER INTO THE STORAGE BEDS, THE UNDERGROUND STORAGE BEDS.
JEFF, CAN YOU PUT THE SATELLITE? YEP.
WHERE'S THE, WHERE'S THE CREEK? YEAH, WHERE'S THE CREEK THAT, UH, MARIANNE O BRIAN WAS TALKING ABOUT? SO I THINK THAT'S THE ADJACENT LOT, UH, TO THE NORTHWEST THERE.
UM, THERE IS A, A A, SOME KIND OF WATER BASIN IN THAT LOT AND ACTUALLY THE, THE PROPERTY AT 15 IS ALL THE WAY TO THE WEST AND DOESN'T REALLY NECESSARILY ADJOIN, UM, TO THIS PROJECTED BUILDING SITE ACTUALLY.
SO PROJECTED BUILDING SITE IS, UM, ADJACENT TO 45 TO 37 I BELIEVE, OR 35, UH, IROQUOIS DRIVE ARE THE, UM, KIND OF THE, THE BOUNDARIES THERE ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF THE LOTS.
WELL, I APOLOGIZE, I MISSED, WHAT WERE THE, UM, YOU YOU DIDN'T WANT US TO, YOU DIDN'T WANT TO DO WHAT? THE PIPES THAT WOULD COME OUT OUT THE GROUND WAS THE BERM.
BASICALLY THEY'RE THE OUTFLOW PIPES FOR THE, UH, STORAGE BASIN FOR THE BIGGER STORMS THAT THOSE WOULD FLOW THROUGH FOUR INCH PVC PIPES.
AND BASICALLY THERE WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH COVER WITH THE ANNIE SEAT COLLAR TO DO A TWO FOOT ABOVE THE OUT OUTER DIAMETER OF THE PIPE THERE THAT WOULD BASICALLY BE STICKING UP OUT OF THE BERM.
SO YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT AT ALL, THAT'S WHAT YOU OH, NO, WE WE'RE GONNA DO ONE.
WE'RE DOING ONE ANY SEAT COLLAR.
THE PIPES ARE SHORT COMING OUT OF THE, THE UNDERGROUND SEEPAGE BEDS, SO WE REALLY WOULD ONLY HAVE ROOM FOR ONE, ANY SEAT COLLAR.
YOUR ORDINANCE REQUIRES TWO AND OUR PIPES ARE LIKE EIGHT FOOT, I THINK ONE MIGHT BE A 10 FOOT IN LENGTH PIPE.
SO THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES TWO.
ANY SEAT COLORS? I THINK A, IS IT A MAXIMUM OR MINIMUM DISTANCE OF 14 FEET APART? AND OF COURSE WE DON'T HAVE 14 FEET, WE'VE GOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, SMALLER, SHORTER PIPES.
YEAH, I THINK THE, I THINK THE CONCERN, NOT THE CONCERN, THE, THE, THE QUESTION IS THAT CREEK THAT RUNS ALONG THERE, WE'RE HEARING FROM PUBLIC COMMENT THAT IT'S FLOODING THE BACKYARDS.
I REALIZE THAT THIS PROPERTY DOESN'T ADJOIN MS O'BRIEN'S UH, PROPERTY, BUT THE CREEK RUNS ALL ALONG THE BACK OF THOSE HOMES.
SO I THINK THE CONCERN IS YOU DEVELOP IT AND IT MAKES THE CREEK EVEN WORSE.
SO IT'S THE PEOPLE DOWNSTREAM OF THE CREEK THAT IT COULD GET WORSE.
I THINK THE REASSURANCE IS HOW DO YOU, WHENEVER WE DEVELOP, WE WANT TO IMPROVE, RIGHT? SO HOW DO YOU IMPROVE THE WATER SITUATION ALONG THAT WHOLE CREEK SYSTEM? ANY HOMES THAT ARE TODAY ARE ALREADY HAVING A CHALLENGE,
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CAN'T HAVE MORE CHALLENGE LATER.WHO NEEDS TO IMPROVE THAT SITUATION? SO I DON'T, I DON'T, AS FAR AS PIPE SIZE AND ALL THAT STUFF, I DON'T, I'M NOT AN EX EXPERT ON THAT STUFF, BUT I THINK THE REASSURANCE OF WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO TO IMPROVE THE WATER SITUATION IN THAT AREA IS, IS IMPORTANT.
WELL, WE'RE DECREASING THE VOLUME IN RUNOFF.
WE'RE ALSO DECREASING THE RUNOFF FLOW WITH THESE UNDERGROUND INFILTRATION SYSTEMS. WHERE DOES THE WATER GO? WHERE IF, IF IT'S CAPTURING IT UNDERGROUND AND CHANNELING AWAY, WHERE IS IT GOING? WHERE DOES IT GO? UM, BECAUSE TODAY IT'S JUST ABSORBED INTO THE GROUND OR IT RUNS DOWN INTO THE CREEK.
INFILTRATION IS GONNA ABSORB IT INTO THE GROUND.
NOW DURING THE BIGGER STORMS, IT'LL GO OUT THE FOUR INCH PVC PIPES HEADED TOWARDS THE CREEK RUNNING THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
SO THE PIPES WILL DISCHARGE TOWARDS THE CREEK.
IT'S THAT IT HAS ENOUGH STORAGE IN IT TO WHERE IT ONLY REALLY NEEDS THAT FOUR INCH PIPE AND THAT FOUR INCH PIPE ISN'T ON THE BOTTOM OF THE STORAGE BED, IT'S TOWARDS THE TOP JUST TO ALLOW SOME OF THOSE BIGGER STORMS TO GO THROUGH IT SO THEY DON'T BREACH THE INFILTRATION THAT JEN, COULD YOU TALK ABOUT, UH, WHAT THEY HAVE TO BE AS FAR AS OUR STORM WATER ORDINANCE GOES? YEAH.
IN ADDITION TO WHAT NICOLE SAID REGARDING THE MPDS PERMIT, THE MPDS PERMIT SAYS YOU CAN'T MAKE ANYTHING WORSE THAN IT IS TODAY.
THEY'RE DOING THAT, THEY HAVE THEIR PERMIT FROM THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
IN ADDITION, THEY'RE ALSO SATISFYING YOUR ORDINANCE, WHICH IS A REDUCTION OF THE 50 YEAR POST DEVELOPMENT STORM DOWN TO THE TWO YEAR PRE-DEVELOPMENT STORM.
SO THAT'S IN EXCESS, THAT'S IN APPROVEMENT OF WHAT THEY, THE SITE SHOULD SEE NOW IN THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT CONDITION.
AND IN ADDITION, THEY ALSO HAVE A GENERAL PERMIT, UM, BECAUSE THE DRIVEWAY DOES CROSS A LITTLE CHANNEL THAT'S ON THE STATE DECLARED THOSE WATERS IN THE COMMONWEALTH AND THEY HAVE THAT PERMIT AS WELL.
SO DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT THE PIPE FROM TWO ONE? IS THAT GONNA MAKE IT LESS EFFICIENT OR IS JUST ON YOUR OPINION? YEAH, LIKE NICOLE SAID, THE UM, CONSERVATION DISTRICT IS 14 FEET BETWEEN ANNEX ANNEXE COLORS AND WITH THEIR OUTLET PIPES ONLY BEING EIGHT FEET LONG AND 10 FEET LONG, EFFECTIVELY THERE'S ONLY ROOM FOR ONE, THEY CAN'T SATISFY THAT MINIMUM SPACING.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE PIPE SIZE IS THE FOUR INCH, BUT THE MATERIAL IS PLASTIC ONLY FOR THE PIPES THAT ARE GONNA BE OWNED BY THE LANDOWNERS.
THERE IS SOME STORM PIPE OUT IN IROQUOIS DRIVE THAT IS IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND THAT'S STILL GOING TO BE REINFORCED CONCRETE AS REQUIRED BY THE WITNESS.
JEFF, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THE, THE HOMES HERE ALONG, I GUESS IS THAT IROQUOIS DRIVE THERE? UH, THEY'RE ON HALF ACRE LOTS, UH, SMALLER THAN THAT.
THEY'RE AROUND TWO 10 TO 12,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.
AND, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING TWO HOMES ON 2.45.
NOW, ANY OF THE OTHER LAND, I I ASSUME THAT ALL THIS LAND ALONG THE CREEK NOW IS NOT GONNA BE DEVELOPABLE? NO, THE, THE PIECE DIRECTLY BEHIND IT THAT HAS THE, THE POND, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE? YES, THAT'S TOWNSHIP PROPERTY.
UM, I'M, I THINK THIS IS, IS THAT THE JOYCE PROPERTY? NO, IT'S NOT THE JOYCE PROPERTY.
I'M NOT SURE WHO THIS PROPERTY IS, BUT IT'S, UM, I I, I'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO IT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE STATUS OF THAT IS.
I, I I GUESS IT COULD BE DEVELOPED.
I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THOUGH.
AND IF WE, AND IF IT WAS WHAT A LOT SIZE WOULD BE, WE HAVE TO THE ONE ACRE, THE ONE ACRE ALSO.
AND WHAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THIS? THIS IS AN INTERESTING ONE BECAUSE THEY CAME ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO AND THEY HAD A THREE LOT SUBDIVISION WITH A CUL-DE-SAC.
UM, THEY WERE A TENTATIVE SKETCH LEVEL AT THAT POINT BECAUSE WITH THREE LOTS YOU NEED TENTATIVE SKETCH.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAID, WELL, YOU NEED TO REDESIGN IT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA APPROVE ANYTHING WITH THIS CUL-DE-SAC.
IT WASN'T REALLY A CUL-DE-SAC, IT WAS JUST SORT OF A CUL-DE-SAC BOWL ON THE STREET.
SO THE, THEY SAID, WE DON'T LIKE THAT.
WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO REDESIGN IT, BUT WE'LL PROVE YOUR TE WE'LL MOVE YOUR TE SKETCH ONTO THE BOARD.
SO THEY HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FROM A TENTATIVE SKETCH, BUT BECAUSE THEY'VE STEPPED BACK TO JUST A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION, THEY ARE NOW JUST A MINOR SUBDIVISION AND THAT GETS THEM THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS.
THERE'S ONLY ONE STEP IN THE PROCESS.
THEY JUST HAVE TO COME IN AT THIS STAGE, GET THE CLEAN PLANS THAT WE'VE, WE'VE CHECKED
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OFF AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE READY TO GO.SO WE WOULDN'T SEE THEM AGAIN.
NO, BECAUSE IT'S A MINOR SUBDIVISION.
IT, IT'S, IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID FOR HAFNER ROAD OR, UH, YOU KNOW, OLD STATE.
SOME OF THOSE THAT WAS JUST ONE LOT FROM TWO LOTS RESULT FROM STARTING WITH ONE LOT.
I DUNNO WHAT OTHER CHANGES WE WOULD ASK THEM TO MAKE AT THIS POINT.
SO I'M NOT CLEAR ON THE WATER.
I THINK THEY'RE, UH, I THINK WHAT JEN IS SAYING IS THEY'VE, THE SITUATION WILL BE BETTER AFTER THAN IT IS NOW TO THE, AND THAT BETTERMENT IS WHAT THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT IS AND THEY ACTUALLY GO BEYOND THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT OF IMPROVEMENT AND ACTUALLY IMPROVE IT A LITTLE.
STILL BETTER THAN THAT WITH ANY OF THESE, I CAN'T THINK OF A TIME WHERE THEY WERE NOT, WHERE THEY DIDN'T MATCH WHAT THEY WERE ENGINEERED TO DO.
UM, IF WHEN THEY'RE ENGINEERED, THEY'RE CARE, EVERYTHING'S CAREFULLY CALCULATED AND THEIR ENGINEER AND YOUR ENGINEER ARE BOTH COMFORTABLE SAYING THAT IT WILL BE BETTER THAN IT IS TODAY AS A, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF STORMWATER CAPTURE AND WHO MANAGES THE UNDERWATER SYSTEM BECAUSE I MEAN, I LOOK AT OUR COMMUNITIES LIKE MONTCLAIR AND THEY WERE GREAT LAID PLANS 30 YEARS AGO, AND NOW THE UNDERGROUND WATERWAYS ARE ALL NOT OPERATING AS WELL AS THEY WERE BACK WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY CREATED.
I MEAN, WHAT HAP I MEAN THESE ARE PIPES UNDERGROUND WHO, WHO OWNS MANAGING THOSE PIPES? DOES A TOWNSHIP OWN IT OR DOES THE HOMEOWNER MANAGE IT? OR LIKE, WHAT IF THEY STOP WORKING? THERE'S A COMBINATION.
WELL, I'M NOT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING THIS PROJECT, BUT JUST IN AND ON ANY PROJECT, UM, THERE'S A COMBINATION OF BOTH.
THERE'S STORM WATER THINGS LIKE BASINS THAT ARE ON THE OWNER'S PROPERTY AND WE HAVE AN OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH THEM THAT REQUIRES THEM TO MAINTAIN IT, UH, FOREVER.
AND THEN THE, THE TOWNSHIP STORM WATER SYSTEMS ARE OF COURSE THE OBLIGATION OF THE TOWNSHIP.
ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, WITH WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE LINE WITH MS FOUR, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BE LOOKING AT A FEE FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE FOR THAT.
UM, BUT SO IT'S A COMBINATION.
AND THE REAL ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS THAT THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT THE OPERATION'S, A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT ALWAYS CONTROLS THE PART THAT'S ON SOMEBODY'S LAND.
YOU INSPECT IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE DOING THEIR JOB.
AND WHEN THEY'RE NOT, WE ENFORCE DOM AGREEMENT.
I I HAVE BEEN TOLD WE HAVE ONE OF THE TOUGHEST STORMWATER ORDINANCES AMONG MUNICIPALITIES IN THIS AREA.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS FOR NO, I, I I TRUST THAT IT'LL BE BETTER TODAY.
I ALWAYS WORRY ABOUT 20, 30, 40 YEARS FROM NOW, YOU WON'T BE HERE.
NOT TO SAY, BUT I MEAN, IT'S JUST LIKE ANYTHING YOU THINK OF MEDICAL YOU LIKE IN 30 YEARS, YOU'LL LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING MEDICALLY.
YOU BE LIKE, MY GOD, WHY WOULD WE DOING, YOU KNOW, I MEAN YOU CAN APPLY THAT TO ANYTHING.
I YOU SHOW THE DIVISION AGAIN.
EXCUSE ME, I'M
YOU, IT'S NOT FORWARD, COME FORWARD AND SPEAK, I'M SORRY, BUT WITH, THERE'S A GROUP OF US FROM IROQUOIS DRIVE HERE AND WE'RE LISTENING TO ALL THIS AND ON PAPER, I'M SURE IT'S, IT SAYS IT'S GOING TO WORK, BUT IS IT GOING TO WORK? AND AS YOU SAID, WE'VE BEEN THERE 50 YEARS, 30 YEARS, 10 YEARS, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, OR IS MY PROPERTY GOING TO, AM I GONNA LOSE FIVE MORE FEET OF MY PROPERTY UP AT 33, HE'S LOST MANY FEET OF HIS PROPERTY FROM THE RUNOFF, FROM ALL THAT HAPPENS.
WHAT HAS HAPPENED DOWN THE LANE HERE, WE, YOU, WE ALL FRUIT FARM ROAD WAS DEVELOPED ALL UP THAT WAY.
ALL THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AROUND AND NOW OUR PROPERTIES WE'RE LOSING PROPERTY.
NOW IS THIS WHAT'S STILL GONNA HAPPEN? WE'RE COMING HERE SAYING IT'S GONNA BE BETTER.
IS IT GOING TO BE BETTER? CAN YOU GUARANTEE THAT? I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THEY'RE, THEY'RE LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO MAKE IT BETTER DUE TO THE ORDINANCES.
THE QUESTION IS, BUT IS IT, IS IT, AND AND WE'RE THE PEOPLE, WE'RE THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE AND LIVED HERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS THAT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS.
THESE PEOPLE ARE COMING IN, OH, I'M GONNA PUT UP TWO HOUSES AND THEN THEY'RE GONE.
WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH WHATEVER DOESN'T WORK.
MA'AM, THE ONLY THING I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT AS I SAID A MINUTE AGO, I CANNOT THINK OF A JOB THAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE TOWNSHIP DURING MY TENURE HERE AND, AND, AND BEFORE MY TENURE HERE, I'M NOT AWARE OF ONE WHERE THE ENGINEERING WAS WRONG OR WHERE THE ENGINEERING DIDN'T WORK.
SOMETIMES AS YOU GO DOWN THE ROAD, THERE NEEDS TO BE MAINTENANCE ON AN OM FACILITY, BUT
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ALL ANYBODY CAN DO IS SAY YOUR ENGINEERS ARE TELLING YOU THAT THEY ARE COMFORTABLE THAT IT WILL WORK.THAT'S THE BEST ANYBODY CAN DO THERE.
WE THERE YOU CAN BE GIVEN NO BETTER GUARANTEE THAN THAT.
AND THE, AND AND THE, THE LOTS DO COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCES FOR BEING DEVELOPED.
THEY'RE ENTITLED TO DEVELOP THEM.
SO WE JUST TRY TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS BUTTONED DOWN AS CAREFULLY AS WE CAN.
CAN WE GO BACKWARDS? LIKE I SAID IN, IN THE EIGHTIES THAT PROPERTY WASN'T ABLE TO BE DEVELOPED.
HOW'S IT ABLE TO BE DEVELOPED NOW? WELL THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER, THAT'S A MUCH LONGER CONVERSATION, BUT THE ORDINANCES THAT YOU HAVE FOR ZONING OR THE RESULT OF PERIODIC REVIEWS OF YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEN YOU KEEP YOUR ORDINANCES COMPLIANT WITH THAT.
SO THAT DOES CAUSE THE ZONING ON LOTS TO CHANGE SOMETIMES AS YOU DEVELOP YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO I CAN'T COMMENT ON THAT LOT IN THE EIGHTIES, BUT GENERALLY THAT'S WHY THAT HAPPENS.
OFTENTIMES, UH, THE VALUE OF THE HOMES RISES AND NOW IT MAKES IT FEASIBLE TO DEVELOP ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IN ANY EVENT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY COMES TO THESE MEETINGS AND WANTS US TO TELL OTHER PEOPLE WHAT THEY CAN DO ON THEIR PROPERTY AND UH, IF IT'S ON YOUR PROPERTY, LIKE THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION THAT YOU'RE IN AN R TWO NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NOW ON HALF ACRE LOTS, WHICH CAUSES A LOT MORE RUNOFF THAN R ONE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ON THIS PIECE OF LAND IS R ONE DEVELOPMENT ONE PER ACRE.
AND THEY'RE MEETING A MUCH STRONGER STORM WATER STANDARD THAN PROPERTY YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAD TO MEET 30, 35 YEARS AGO.
SO, EXCUSE ME, WOULDN'T THAT BE TRUE IF THEY HAD THE ACTUAL CONCRETE INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH THE FOUR INCH PLATE AFTER GOING BACK DOWN TO A FOUR INCH PLATE VERSUS THE CONCRETE CULVERT, ISN'T THAT GONNA CHANGE? THESE GUYS HAVE REROUTED THE CREEK THERE LUMPS ALREADY WITH THE PIPELINE RIGHT NOW, AS SHE HAS STATED, THERE'S A NEIGHBOR THAT'S PROPERTY IS LOSING FEET BY THE DAY.
EVERY TIME WE HAVE A STORM, IT'S BEEN ADDRESSED TO THE PIPELINE.
I HEARD IT'S BEEN ADDRESSED TO THE TOWNSHIP.
EVERYBODY JUST WASHES THEIR HANDS.
WELL, WE, WE GET A LOT MORE RAINFALL NOW THAN WE USED TO.
RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S 'CAUSE YOU'RE GIVING A LOT MORE HOUSES INTO THE AREAS.
THAT HAS TO DO WITH ACTUALLY THE PRESENTATION WE JUST SAW EARLIER ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE AND ASPHALT.
NOT ENOUGH GROUND TO ABSORB THE WATER.
ANYWAY, AS FAR AS THE QUESTION OF THE CONCRETE PIPE VERSUS THE A, B, C OUTLET, OUR ENGINEER SPEAK TO THAT.
THE, THE UNDERGROUND STORAGE FACILITIES HAVE THE PLASTIC DISCHARGE PIPE.
SO A FOUR INCH PIPE VERSUS THE MINIMUM PIPE SIZE IN A STREET IN UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP IS 15 INCH.
SO JUST BY ABOUT VIRTUE OF THE FACT THAT IT'S A FOUR INCH PIPE, THAT'S INDICATIVE OF THE FACT AND REFLECTIVE THAT IT'S LESS FLOW THAN YOU WOULD TYPICALLY SEE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD STREET.
SO THE DISCHARGES IN THE BASINS ARE SMALL, ONLY REQUIRING A FOUR INCH PIPE FOR A HUNDRED YEAR STORM DISCHARGE.
THE 15 INCH PIPE THAT'S OUT IN THE STREET AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE PLAN SHEET HERE, THAT'S GONNA BE RCP PIPE AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE TOWNSHIP.
AND THAT'S A 15 INCH MINIMUM PIPE OUT THERE.
AND THAT 15 INCH PIPE IS BASICALLY JUST TO DRAIN A LOW POINT IN THE ROAD THAT'S EXISTING RIGHT THERE, RIGHT NOW, RIGHT WHERE THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE IS.
EITHER THEY'RE PUTTING IN CURB AND SIDEWALK ALONG THIS PIECE OF FRONTAGE.
RIGHT NOW, ALL THE WATER SHE FLOWS OFF IROQUOIS DRIVE INTO THEIR SITE DOWN TO TINDY RUN.
BUT THE INTRODUCTION OF THE CURVE IS GONNA DAM THAT WATER AND THAT'S THE, UM, CREATING A LOW POINT IN THE ROAD NEW INLET TO COLLECT THAT WATER.
SO THAT HILL, YEAH, THE LOW, THE LOW POINT.
UM, THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 23 GRANTING FINAL LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR I COURT DRIVE MINOR SUBDIVISION.
WE HAVE, UH, FOUR IN FAVOR AND ONE AGAINST YOU.
OUR NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS, UH, RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 24 PERTAINING DESTRUCTION OF TOWNSHIP AND TAX COLLECTIVE RECORDS.
TIM, YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT? THESE ARE, UH, THROUGH THE MUNICIPAL RECORDS INSTRUCTION ACT.
WE GO THROUGH ALL THESE, UH, RECORDS AND I THINK THAT,
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UH, OUR, UH, ABLE ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES DIRECTOR, CHERYL, UH, KNOWS, UH, EVERY, UH, SUBSECTION OF WHAT CAN BE DESTROYED.AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO, UH, GET UP TO SPEED, UH, OF DOING THIS ON A REGULAR QUARTERLY BASIS.
SO ALL THESE RECORDS, UM, HAVE BEEN REVIEWED WITH THE TAX COLLECTOR AND, UM, ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE MUNICIPAL RECORDS DISPOSITION ACT.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 24 PERTAINING TO THE DESTRUCTION OF TOWNSHIP AND TAX COLLECTION RECORDS.
I'LL SECOND THE DESTRUCTION OF TOWNSHIP AND TAX COLLECTION OF RECORDS.
AND, UH, FINALLY, CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE SOLICITOR TO EXECUTE THE STIPULATION TO SETTLE PERTAINING TO A BOARD OF ASSESSMENT APPEALS ACTION FILED BY HT 1201 COLLEGEVILLE, LLC.
AND I ASSUME THEY, SO SCHOOL BOARD DID ALL THEY COULD.
YEAH, IT WENT, IT GOT CUT ALMOST TO HALF FROM 5 MILLION IN VALUE TO 2.7 MILLION IN VALUE.
UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS YOUR REQUEST PROPERTY, SO AFTER DEVELOPMENT IT WILL GO PRESUMABLY BACK UP AGAIN.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST WHAT IT WAS.
UH, WILL THE VALUE BE REASSESSED AFTER THE REDEVELOPMENT? YES.
SO THEY'RE GONNA GET A SHORT REPRIEVE
UH, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE A SOLICITOR TO EXECUTE THE STIPULATION TO SETTLE PERTAINING TO A BOARD OF ASSESSMENT APPEALS ACTION FILED BY HT 1201 COLLEGEVILLE.
[MANAGER AND DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS]
NOW WE'RE DONE WITH THE BUSINESS PORTION AND WE'RE DOWN TO MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS.AND, UH, WE HAVE A REPORT FROM CHIEF RUSSELL OF THE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF FIRE EMERGENCY SERVICES.
I WAS TOLD I CAN ONLY HAVE FIVE MINUTES.
SO, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T ALLOW, UH, COUNT CAMERAS ON HELMETS, UH, IN OUR DEPARTMENT.
SO THIS IS NOT OUR FIRE, BUT I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A REAL QUICK BRIEF LOOK AT WHAT WE SEE WHEN WE GO INSIDE OF A BUILDING JUST TO KIND OF, UH, TO GIVE A FEEL WHAT IT'S LIKE.
I THREW THE ROOF WHEN THEY PULLED UP.
SO THEY'RE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE.
SEE, YOU'RE MAKING AN ATTACK ON IT.
AN AND THE ONLY WAY TO ACCESS IS THEY HAVE TO GO IN AND START PULLING THE CEILINGS OUT TO GET TO IT.
AT ONE POINT YOU'LL SEE A PAN THAT LEFT.
THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT WE SEE IS VIRTUALLY NOTHING.
SO EVERYTHING WE DO IS KIND OF IN THE DARK.
IT'S THIS AN ATTIC FIRE LIGHT.
UH, WE CARRY FLASHLIGHT USUALLY HERE.
UH, SOME OF THEM HAVE 'EM ON THEIR HELMETS.
UM, I, I HAVE THREE FLASHLIGHTS I HAVE THAT I CARRY WITH ME BECAUSE IT'S TRULY COMPLETELY DARK.
JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, HOW DO YOU, JUST CURIOSITY, HOW ARE YOU PROTECTED IN THAT SITUATION FROM ELECTROCUTION? IF YOU HIT A WIRE OR SOMETHING WE JUST HEARD.
WE DON'T, UM, WE, WE DON'T, UM, WE'LL CALL PICO.
WE REQUEST PICO TO COME AND SECURE THE POWER.
THEY'LL SHUT THE POWER OFF FORCE.
WE DON'T, WE CAN'T SHUT THE POWER OFF OUTSIDE.
UM, GENERALLY WHEN WE POKE UP, YOU'LL FEEL THE WIRES, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU PUSH UP FIRST YOU PUSH IN FIRST YOU'LL FEEL WIRING, THEN KIND OF GO AROUND IT.
UM, BUT IT, IT, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES WE PULL UP AND WHEN YOU HAVE FIRE, ESPECIALLY ON THE OUTSIDE, THE OUTSIDE WIRES WERE OFTEN ON THE GROUND BARKING.
UH, THERE WAS BARS ON THE INSIDE THAT ARE BARKING.
UM, BUT IT, IT, THERE'S, I I WISH I HAD A BETTER ANSWER FOR YOU,
UM, BUT THERE IS A, IT'S JUST, UM, I, I WAS, I WAS KIND OF LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT SHOWED YOU, UM, WHAT WE SEE WHEN WE GO INSIDE, UM, CAN GIVE YOU A LITTLE ADRENALINE RUSH.
UM, MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS TRULY THE GREATEST JOB IN THE WORLD.
UM, MOST OF YOU LOOK AT ME LIKE WE'RE NUTS.
AND NOT THAT WE WANT TO SEE ANYBODY'S
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PROPERTY OR THAT DAMAGE DESTROYED.BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE DO AND THAT'S WHAT WE SEE WHEN WE INSIDE OF A A HOUSE SO FAR.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S COMPLETELY TRUE LIFE FOR US.
UM, YOU, YOU, I GOT ALL THE YOUTUBE.
THERE'S LOTS OF THESE ON YOUTUBE.
JEFF, THIS WILL BE OUR OVERVIEW.
UM, UH, WE CHANGED THE FORMAT OF OUR MONTHLY REPORTS.
YOU SAW THAT, UH, AS YOU GET 'EM EACH MONTH.
WE WENT TO A POWERPOINT TO TRY AND MAKE IT EASIER AND QUICKER FOR YOU TO READ THROUGH THEM.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE SEEING, AND THIS WILL CONTINUE TO INCREASE, IS WE'RE OVER A 1400 CALLS IN 2024 THAT JUST CONTINUES TO RISE.
THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS FOR THAT.
UM, ONE OF COURSE IS THE GROWTH IN THE TOWNSHIP.
TWO IS, UM, WITH THE REDUCTION IN VOLUNTEER FIRE SERVICES THROUGHOUT ALL THE MUTUAL AID COMPANIES, WE ARE RESPONDING TO ASSIST MORE COMPANIES AND THEY'RE RESPONDING TO ASSIST US.
SO WHAT WAS ONCE AN INDIVIDUAL COMPANY RESPONDING TO HANDLING THE WHOLE TOWNSHIP IS NOW WE CAN GET ONE TRUCK FROM EACH COMPANY.
SO WE'RE ONE OF THOSE ONES IF WE'RE GOING OUT AND THEY ARE SIX OF THOSE ONES IF THEY'RE COMING IN, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
'CAUSE WE RUN SEVEN COMPANIES WHEN BUILDING FIRE.
SO THAT ONE ONLY CONTINUE TO INCREASE AS MORE AND MORE FIRE COMPANIES ADOPT WHAT WE CALL FIVE AND TWO PROCEDURE, FIVE ENGINES AND TWO LADDER TRUCKS WITH EVERY BUILDING FIRE.
UM, ABOUT 400 OF THOSE CALLS ARE QS OR AMBULANCE CALLS THAT WE'RE GOING TO.
WE ARE VERY SELECTIVE ON THE AMBULANCE CALLS OUT OF THE 2,400 CALLS THAT WE GO ON.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT TO RUN THEM, BUT IF IT'S A LOT OF WEAR AND TEAR ON THE TRUCKS.
UM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THAT DOWN AS BEST AS WE CAN.
BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF CALLS THAT WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO GO TO.
OVERLAPPING CALLS ARE THE ONES THAT WE'RE GETTING TWO CALLS AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, AT THIS POINT WE'RE UP TO 20, ALMOST 25%.
AND THAT THE STANDARD, WHAT'S CALLED FOR IS WHEN WHEN WE REACH 25%, IT'S SORT OF LIKE, RIGHT, IT'S TIME TO LOOK NOW AS TO WHAT'S OUR NEXT PLAN.
UH, 'CAUSE IT'S TOO MANY CALLS FOR US TO HANDLE IT, JUST ONE PARTICULAR ENGINE.
HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE, WE, UM, HANDLE THE NEXT CALL THAT'S COMING IN THE RUMORS SET TO HANDLE ONE.
IF WE CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR MUTUAL AID TO COME INTO THE TOWNSHIP, WE'RE DELAYING ACROSS TIME.
WE'RE SLOWING DOWN WHAT THE RESIDENTS ARE LOOKING FOR AND WHAT THEY DEMAND.
UM, OUR TOWNSHIP HAS MADE UP OF ALMOST ALL NEWER CONSTRUCTION, LIGHTWEIGHT CONSTRUCTION, LIGHTWEIGHT CONSTRUCTION BURNS EXTREMELY FAST.
SO THE FASTER WE GET ON LOCATION, THE FASTER WE PUT WOOD ON THE FIRE, THE FASTER WE ARE AT SAVING HOUSES.
AND WHEN WE'RE TIED UP ON ONE CALL, WE'RE NOT AVAILABLE TO RESPOND TO ANOTHER.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR MUTUAL AID COMPANIES TO RESPOND FROM GREATER DISTANCES.
SO JUST ONE OF THOSE, I GUESS THE STATISTICS IN THIS POINT THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, AND WE LOOK TOWARDS THAT.
WE WATCH, UH, AS WE TRY AND GUIDE OURSELVES FROM THE NEXT FOUR TO FIVE YEARS, WE'RE STILL WAITING ON THE DELIVERY OF THE TWO ENGINES THAT WE BOUGHT WITH THE COVID MONEY.
UH, THEY ARE TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2027.
UH, NEW TRUCKS ARE NOW PUSHED OUT AT OVER FOUR YEARS.
UH, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE PIPELINE THAT SAYS THAT THAT'S GOING TO IMPROVE.
AND THAT'S ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
THERE'S REALLY ONLY THREE MAJOR MANUFACTURERS, UH, PIERCE ROSENBAUER AND A GROUP OF FINANCIAL INVESTORS CALLED REV GROUP.
REV GROUP HAS SUCCESSFULLY PUSHED THE, UM, THE COST OF FIRETRUCK UP.
THEY BOUGHT MOST OF THE FIRE TRUCK MANUFACTURERS AND THE SUPPLIERS OUT, AND THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO NOW, UH, FORCE THE OTHER TWO REMAINING TO INCREASE THEIR COSTS.
AND EVERYBODY'S KIND OF STRUGGLING THROUGH STAMPING.
THIS PLAN WAS PUT IN PLACE TWO YEARS BEFORE COVID HIT.
SO IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A REFLECTION OF COVID.
THE ONE THING THAT COVID DID WAS WHEN ALL THE COVID MONEY CAME OUT, LIKE WE DID, UH, A LOT OF PARK COMPANIES, WILDFIRE TRUCKS.
SO THE WEIGHT IS, THE DELIVERY TIME HAS BEEN REALLY PUSHED OUT.
SO I I SAY THAT BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES ON THE SQUAD THAT'S RUNNING ACROSS THE STREET, UM, WHEN WE TAKE DELIVERY OF THE TWO, TWO NEW ENGINES.
SO UNFORTUNATELY, YOU'RE GONNA SEE ME COMING BACK HERE AND TALKING TO YOU ABOUT, UM, THE LOOKING TO HAVE TO PURCHASE NEW EQUIPMENT BECAUSE OF THE WAIT TIME.
JUDGE, WHAT ARE WE USING AS OUR RESERVE TRUCK NOW? STILL THE OLD WHITE DRIVER.
WE DID, WE PUT A LOT OF MAINTENANCE INTO THAT TO GET THAT WORKING CORRECTLY.
SO EVERY TIME WE TAKE IT OUT AND ACTUALLY HAVE A FIRE, WE, SOMETHING BREAKS ON IT.
SO, UM, WE JUST KEEP, AND THAT WILL HAPPEN.
THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE RED TRUCK TOO.
AND IT, AND IT CAN STILL BE IN THE ANTIQUE PARADE TOO, RIGHT? ALMOST
WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID THAT, BUT YES, I THINK LAST, UH, WAS IT LAST MONTH OR A MONTH BEFORE OUR, OUR AVERAGE RUNTIME IN THE TOWNSHIP WAS BELOW SEVEN MINUTES.
IT IS, WE'RE WE AVERAGE SIX AND A HALF MINUTES FROM DISPATCH TO ON SCENE.
AND THAT'S SKEWED A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE SPEND, BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE TOWNSHIP, SO, RIGHT.
UM, FROM HERE WE'RE ABOUT FOUR MINUTES.
WE WENT, I GIVE THE GUYS NINE SECONDS TO GET ON THE ROAD.
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AND THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST OUR CALL IS, WE'RE NOT COUNTING WHAT THAT THAT'S CORRECT.MS. ER'S GONNA GET TO THE, THE PAN HANDLE FAST OR TRAP.
OBVIOUSLY WE, WE BEAT TRAPPED IN EVERY TIME.
UNLESS THEY'RE IN THE STATION, WE ALWAYS BEAT THEM.
SO, UM, NOT, AND, AND THAT'S, I DON'T MEAN THAT IN A NEGATIVE WAY.
THERE'S NO COMPETITION BETWEEN.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS WHEN WE'RE IN, WE'RE NEAR AT OAKS, IF WE'RE AT THE EXPO CENTER OR WE'RE DOWN AT ONE OF THE BUSINESS DOWN THERE, WE GET SOMETHING UP IN THE PANHANDLE.
THAT'S WHAT SKEWS THAT SIX AND A HALF MINUTES.
THAT 12 MINUTE DRIVE ACROSS THE COUNCIL IS WHAT IS WHAT.
AND THAT HAPPENS AT SIX, IT SEEMS LIKE.
IT DOESN'T HAPPEN WHEN WE'RE IN THE PANHANDLE.
WE HAVE A FIRE WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO TO THE PANHANDLE.
WHEN THE PAN, WHEN WE HAVE TO GO TO BOOTH, IT JUST, WE HAVE A FIRE.
WE'RE NOT EATING AND WAITS A WEEK WITH HIM.
SO, UM, I'M SORRY, OUR STATE REP LEFT ALREADY.
I KNOW HE HAS OTHER THINGS TO DO, BUT I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THIS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO WITHIN OUR OWN TOWNSHIP, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT THE SURROUNDING MUNICIPALITIES ARE NOT DOING WHAT THEY NEED TO DO AND THEY NEED TO.
AND THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD DO THAT IS TO PULL THEMSELVES TOGETHER.
AND WE SAW WHAT A STRUGGLE THAT IS.
SO I, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY MUST TAKE SOME COMMAND RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS.
AND, UH, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE GIVEN THE AUTHORITY FIRST, WHICH THEY DO NOT HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE.
SO ANYWAY, I I'M MAKING EXCUSES, BUT THAT IS, THAT IS THE STRUGGLE.
SO THE INTERESTING IS, UM, I, I'M, I, TOM AND I BOTH ARE MEMBERS OF THE PENNSYLVANIA CAREER FIRE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION.
IN FACT, WE HAVE A MEETING THIS WEEK AND, AND WE SPEAK WITH FIRE CHIEFS FROM ACROSS THE STATE, UH, ERIE, PITTSBURGH, SCRANTON, ALL OVER.
UM, AND, AND THE PROBLEMS THAT WE TALK ABOUT ARE THE EXACT PROBLEMS THEY TALK ABOUT EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE STATE IS IT IS NOT UNIQUE TO US.
THIS IS A, THIS IS NOT JUST THE PENNSYLVANIA PROMISE.
THIS IS A WHOLE NATION PROBLEM.
BUT IT, IT'S INTERESTING, UH, WHEN WE, WHEN I TALK, WHEN WE TALK AT OUR MEETINGS AND WE BRING UP OUR ISSUES, AND THEN SOMEBODY FROM ERIE WILL SAYING, HEY, WE'RE DEALING WITH THE SAME THING.
SO, BUT THE BUT THE MUNICIPAL MODEL THAT WE HAVE IN PENNSYLVANIA, IT MAKES THE PROBLEM THAT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO SOLVE.
YOU KNOW, THAT IN STATES WHERE THERE'S MORE AUTHORITY AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, THEY HAVE A BETTER MODEL.
AND UM, YES, WE WERE DEFINITELY AN ANTIQUATED, AN ANTIQUATED OLD SYSTEM HERE.
UH, AS A REMINDER, OPEN BURNING IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE TOWNSHIP.
UM, THE ONLY BURNING THAT'S LAB IS RECREATIONAL FIRES.
WE HAVE, WE, WE GO OUT ALL THE TIME FOR OPEN BURNING THAT SHOULDN'T BE, UM, ALL THE TIME.
SO, UM, IT, IT WAS WORSE DURING THE DROUGHT.
UM, PEOPLE SEEM TO STILL PICK WINDY NIGHTS FOR THAT, UM,
AND WE'VE HAD CERTAINLY HAD OUR FAIR SHARE OF FIELD OF BRUSH FRIES THIS YEAR AND, AND LAST YEAR.
UM, WE STILL ARE IN A DROUGHT.
YES, WE ARE, THINGS ARE STILL DRY AND, AND THINGS AREN'T GREEN YET.
SO WE'RE JUST ASKING PEOPLE TO REMEMBER THAT THEY'RE, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE AN OPEN BURN.
YOU CANNOT BURN EXCEPT FOR RECREATIONAL USE IN THE TOWNSHIP.
AND THAT'S REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT SOLD A COUNTY BURN BAN OR ANYBODY ELSE FOR A BURN BAN, OR OUR, OUR BURNING ORDINANCE WAS ALREADY IN PLACE.
WE DIDN'T NEED THE COUNTY BURN BAN EXCEPT FOR BETTER ADVERTISEMENT.
UM, THIS IS, THIS IS PRETTY MUCH PUBLIC AT THIS POINT.
IT WAS, UM, CERTAINLY MADE ALL THE SOCIAL MEDIA SITES.
BUT, UH, TWO YEARS AGO, WE, UM, STARTED THE CONSOLIDATION BETWEEN TRAP AND AND OPERA PROVINCE.
IT WAS AN OPERATIONAL CONSOLIDATION.
UM, WE WORKED ON THAT FOR, FOR TWO YEARS TO TRY AND FIGURE EVERYTHING OUT.
UM, AT THE END OF TWO YEARS, WE REALLY WEREN'T MOVING FORWARD WITH IT AT ALL.
UH, THE SUPERVISORS MADE THE DECISION THAT IT WAS TIME TO, UM, TO DISSOLVE THE OPERATIONAL CONSOLIDATION ON PAPER WOULD BETWEEN TRAP AND UPPER PROVINCE TOWNSHIP.
AND THAT INCLUDED BOTH TRAP BOROUGH, TRAP BOROUGH COMPANY, UPPER PROVINCE TOWNSHIP, AND OUR DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO THE CHANGE FROM THE RESIDENCE STANDPOINT IS YOU WON'T SEE A CHANGE.
UM, WE'RE STILL RESPONDING TO CALLS AND TRAP AND TRAP'S STILL RESPONDING TO CALLS IN UPPER PROVIDENCE.
WE'RE STILL WORKING TOGETHER AS WE ALWAYS HAVE.
UH, THEY WON'T GO BACK TO BEING STATION 77.
AND WHEN WE PULL UP ON THE LOCATION, IT WILL BE SEAMLESS.
SO FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY STANDPOINT, THERE'S NO CHANGE, UH, FROM A ADMINISTRATIVE AND OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT BEHIND THE SCENES.
UH, THERE'LL BE MINOR CHANGES, BUT A LOT OF WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE, UM, WERE THE THINGS THAT WERE EASY TO WORK OUT THAT EVERYBODY AGREED UPON.
AND THEY'LL REMAIN, UM, THE, THE, THE PROJECT WILL COME TO AN END ONCE WE'RE WAITING ON MONTGOMERY COUNTY'S 9 1 1 TA PERSON TO FINISH THEIR SIDE.
UM, SOMETIME PROBABLY IN THE NEXT TWO OR THREE WEEKS, UH, WE SHOULD HAVE EVERYTHING OVER.
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BUT FROM THE PUBLIC STANDPOINT, YOU WILL SEE NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER.AND JEFF, FROM A TRAINING STANDPOINT, WE REQUIRE, UH, I REQUIRE THAT THEY TRAIN EVERY DAY, AT LEAST FOR AN HOUR EVERY DAY.
UH, THEY DO THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THEY DO.
WE HAVE A FIREFIGHTER THAT'S ASSIGNED TO, UH, THE TRAINING.
HE SENDS THAT OUT TO THE CAPTAINS, CAPTAINS, THEN COORDINATE TO MAKE SURE THE TOPICS ARE BEING COVERED.
UH, WE HAVE BEEN USING, ALONG WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT QUEST, UH, WE GOT, UM, PERMISSION FROM THE, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE CONTROL QUEST AT THIS POINT.
WE'VE BEEN ALMOST EVERY SINGLE DAY WE'VE BEEN IN THERE USING IT FOR TRAINING.
WE'VE DONE COASTLINE ADVANCEMENT SEARCH AND RESCUE FORCE LAUNCH.
WE'RE DOING ACTIVE SHOOTER DRILLS IN THERE.
WE'RE GONNA BE FLYING THE DRONES INSIDE.
WE'RE, UM, WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO REBUILD IT.
UH, THEY DECIDE TO KEEP IT UP BECAUSE WE'RE TAKING APART THE INSIDE PIECE BY PIECE.
UM, WE'RE DOING JOINT TRAINING WITH ALL THE AREA FIRE DEPARTMENTS.
UM, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE, WE'RE TRAINING WITH THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON, UM, TWO DATES COMING UP IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, THREE WEEKS.
UH, AND MAN
SO WE GET A LOT OF SEVEN YEAR OLDS THAT SEEM TO THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE IN THE 2-YEAR-OLD SWINGS.
AND THERE'S PLASTIC SEATS SINK AROUND THEIR LEGS, AND THEN THEY GET TRAPPED IN THERE.
SO IMAGINE THIS PLASTIC SEAT THAT STUCK VERY, VERY TIGHTLY AGAINST YOUR LEGS AND YOU GET THEM OUT.
YOU CAN'T USE A KNIFE BECAUSE THEIR LEGS IN THE WAY.
'CAUSE THE PARENTS WOULD GET UPSET WITH THIS.
SO WE'VE ACTUALLY FOUND THAT, UM, UH, WEED RACKER WIRE WITH TWO WOODEN DOWS, PUT THAT IN YOUR SALT BACK AND FORTH AND CUTS THE RUBBER OFF.
UM, IT'S THE LEAST EXPENSIVE EQUIPMENT WE HAVE ON THE TRUCK, SO, GOTCHA.
UH, WE DO NOT, WE LEAVE IT OPEN.
SO WHEN THE NEXT 7-YEAR-OLD DECIDES TO CLIMB, IT'S EASIER AT THE GET THEM OUT.
SO, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT I THOUGHT WAS IMPORTANT TO NOTE WAS THAT ALL OF OUR FULL-TIME, SOME OF THE PART-TIME STAFF, UH, ALL HAVE ANCILLARY DUTIES.
SO EVERY SINGLE PERSON HAS AN, AN ASSIGNED DUTY.
THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR TRAINING APPARATUS, UH, EMS PORTION OF IT, OUR RESIDENTIAL SMOKE DETECTORS.
THE, THE PUBLIC RELATIONS ARE FIRE PREVENTION.
UH, THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM TAKES THREE PEOPLE JUST TO KEEP THAT UP TO DATE AND ACTIVE.
SO WHILE THEY, WELL, SOMETIMES LOOKS LIKE WE'RE, WE HAVE DOWNTIME, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALWAYS DOING SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS.
WE PREPLAN ALL OUR RIP BALLOONS.
WE'RE WORKING ON HOW LONG DOES IT, HOW LONG ARE THE HOSE STRETCHES TO GET THROUGH THE APARTMENTS NEXT TO THE WEAPONS? UH, 'CAUSE WE NEED TO KNOW FROM THE STAMPING CONNECTION UP TO THE THIRD FLOOR AT THIS APARTMENT, HOW MUCH HOSE DO WE NEED TO REACH THAT? SO, UH, THE, THE GUYS IN THE PRE-PLANS ARE, ARE MEASURING ALL THAT.
THEY ACTUALLY GO ON SITE, THEY STRETCH THE HOSE.
THEY FIGURE OUT WE NEED 200 FEET TO GET HERE.
SO WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT WHEN WE GO TO AN APARTMENT HERE, WE CAN LOOK AT A PIECE OF PAPER AND SAY, THIS APARTMENT'S WHERE THE FIRE IS.
MAKE SURE WE BRING 200 FEET OF HOSE IN WITH US.
UM, THAT WAS OUR ICE RESCUE PICTURE.
I THINK I TALKED ABOUT THAT ONCE BEFORE, THAT IT'S RATHER WE GET FROZEN WATER AS MUCH AS WE DID.
THAT WAS A GREAT TRAIN WHERE WE CUT, UM, ONE INCH HOLES IN THE ICE AND THE GUYS ACTUALLY STOOD IN THE WATER AND WE DID A LOT OF RESCUE BRINGING THEM OUT.
UM, WE, WE INVITED ANY DEPARTMENT AROUND US.
'CAUSE IT WAS SO RARE TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.
BUT THAT WAS, THAT WAS A RARE AND REALLY, REALLY GOOD, VERY MURRY 10 DEGREE COLD DAY TRAINING, BUT GOOD JOB.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE, AND WE HAD THIS BEFORE AND IT KIND OF STOPPED UNDER COVID, UH, AND IT WAS THE, THE PRIOR CHIEF, YOU TWO CHIEFS AGO, UM, HAD A DIFFERENT, A DIFFERENT THEORY ON, ON WHY WE DO FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY INSPECTIONS.
MINE IS THAT IT PROVIDES THE SAFETY AND KEEPS THE SAFETY.
MAKE SURE THAT OUR BUSINESSES ARE ACTUALLY OPERATING SAFELY.
THERE'S A LOT OF BUSINESSES NOW THAT ARE CALLING US UP SAYING, HEY, WE'RE DUE FOR INSPECTION.
ARE YOU COMING? UM, WE WANT YOU TO COME AND CHECK US.
CAN YOU DO OUR INSPECTION? SO IN 2024, WE STARTED THIS IN MARCH OF LAST YEAR, WE DID 815 TOTAL INSPECTIONS.
AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE VIOLATIONS THERE ARE THE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS LIGHTING, UH, YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR CEILINGS IN PLACE.
UM, A LOT OF OPEN BOXES, UH, JUNCTION BOXES, AND A LOT OF BLOCKED EXITS.
UH, ESPECIALLY IN THE STORES, YOU'LL FIND THAT SOME OF THE STORES, THEY TAKE DELIVERY AND THEN THEY THINK IT'S OKAY TO PUT 'EM IN FRONT OF THE EXIT DOORS.
UM, EVERYBODY SHOULD FROWN ON THAT.
THEY SHOULD KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.
SO PART OF GOING IN THERE IS WE'VE BEEN EDUCATING ALL THE BUSINESSES ABOUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, WHY WE'RE GOING IN, WHAT THE PURPOSE OF OUR INSPECTIONS ARE.
AND THE, THE, THE, THE GREAT PART ABOUT THIS IS, UM, THEY'RE ACTUALLY GETTING IT.
SO WHEN WE GET BACK IN FOR OUR FOLLOW UP, WHICH WE NEVER DID FOLLOW UP LIKE THIS BEFORE.
IF THEY GET, IF WE HAVE TO GO BACK A THIRD TIME, THEY GET A VISIT FROM THE FIRE FROM EITHER TOM OR CHRIS OR FIRE MARSHALS.
BUT THE FIREFIGHTERS ARE OUT DOING THESE.
THEY DO TWO OR THREE A DAY USUALLY.
UM, BUT THE BUSINESSES ARE GETTING IT AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE, WE'RE SEEING A MUCH BETTER
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HIGHER COMPLIANCE AS WE, AS WE COME AROUND, WE'RE STARTING TO DO THEM.SOME OF THEM WE DO EVERY YEAR.
UM, SOME OF THEM ARE SPACED OUT A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME POPULATION, SAME PUBLIC, UM, VISITS THAT THE LARGER PLACE IS DOING.
IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC THAT ARE COMING IN AND OUT YOUR PHONES, WE'RE IN NO MORE JUDGE.
WE START WITH THE COMPLIANCE ENGINE THIS YEAR.
UH, IT'S A, IT'S A THIRD PARTY COMPANY THAT DOESN'T CHARGE US ANYTHING.
THEY ACTUALLY CHARGE THE ALARM COMPANIES.
UM, WHAT THEY DO IS THEY LOOK AT, THEY LOOK AT THE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE ALL THE FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEMS THAT WE REQUIRE BY ORDINANCE, AND THEY MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY COMPLIANT WITH WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO.
SO IT MEANS THAT THE FIREFIGHTERS GONNA ONLY HAVE TO GO AND LOOK FOR A SPRINKLER INSPECTION REPORTS AND SMOKE DETECTOR AND SMOKE ALARM REPORTS AND FIRE EXTINGUISHER REPORTS.
AND THE COMPLIANCE ENGINE PEOPLE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE CHECKING THAT WITH THE CONTRACTORS THAT THE BUSINESSES HAVE.
IT'S CUT DOWN ON A LOT OF TIME ON OUR PART.
AND WE FOUND AN AWFUL LOT OF THINGS THAT, UM, WE WERE MISSING THAT THEY'RE CATCHING.
UM, AND IT, IT'S, IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN A HUGELY SUCCESSFUL FOR US.
SO, UM, AND THERE, AND THE, THE, THE GREAT PART ABOUT IT'S THE BUSINESSES THAT WERE NOT IN COMPLIANCE, MOST OF 'EM DIDN'T KNOW THEY WEREN'T IN COMPLIANCE AND THEY'VE BEEN COMING WITH IN COMPLIANCE.
UH, WE GET VERY LITTLE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK WHEN WE GO IN.
THEY REALLY, THE BUSINESSES WANT THIS.
THEY WANT TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE SAFE.
UM, WE WERE JUST IN, UH, ONE OF THE BUSINESSES DOWN OFF THE, UH, LAWN FOR TODAY WHO CALLED US AND HAD QUESTIONS ON THEIR STORAGE.
AND BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE, THIS IS OUR BUSINESS.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE SAFE AND WHAT ARE WE DOING RIGHT OR WRONG? AND, AND WHICH IS GREAT.
WE WANNA WORK HAND IN HAND WITH THE BUSINESSES.
AND LASTLY THEN, UM, I'M SURE YOU'VE NOTICED THAT, UM, WHEN WE BROUGHT DAN ON BOARD, WE KIND OF GAVE HIM AN OPEN, UH, AN OPEN SLATE, DEVELOP THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, UM, TOWNSHIP WIDE.
HE'S GOT, UH, EVERYBODY WHO'S ON OUR STAFF, OUR, OUR EOC STAFF, UH, THEY DO, UM, TRAININGS SEVERAL TIMES A YEAR.
HE'S GETTING THIS EVERYBODY UP AND RUNNING, UM, IN A MORE CAPABLE, COMFORTABLE SETTING.
AT THE EOC, THE GOAL IS TO HAVE, WE HAVE, UM, SUE AND HER TEAM, CHERYL, UH, JOE, WE BRING, WE BRING THE, THE NON-RESPONDERS NEED TO RUN THE EOC BECAUSE DON AND THE CHIEF AND I ARE NOT GONNA BE SITTING IN THE EOC.
WE HAVE WORK TO DO OUT AND THEIR JOBS IS TO SUPPORT US.
SO WE FOUND THAT BY GETTING THE STAFF TRAINED UP TO RUN AND BE OUR SUPPORTIVE, IT'S WORKED WELL IN DRILLS.
AND OUR GOAL IS HOPEFULLY THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO USE IT AGAIN.
UH, WE ARE COMING UP ON OUR SEMI-ANNUAL NUMBER DRILLS THAT WE'LL BE WORKING, HE'LL BE SETTING UP AND WORKING ON THAT.
BUT, UH, ALL IN ALL, IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL.
I THINK THAT, UM, WE ARE LATE YEARS AHEAD OF WHERE WE WERE A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
UM, AND FOR THE, THE, AND WE HAD A COUPLE WHERE WE HAD THE EOC UP AND RUNNING A COUPLE VISITS, DIGNITARY VISITS, UH, VIP VISITS ON THE EXPO CENTER THAT WE RAN THE EOC ON.
AND, UH, WE LEARNED A LOT OF LESSONS FROM THEM AND WE FIGURED STUFF OUT AND WE'RE BETTER TODAY 'CAUSE OF IT.
WHERE WE OCCUPANCY PERMITS ARE GRANTED BOTH, BOTH CHRIS ENS AND TOM DO, CHRIS DOES THE MAJORITY OF THE WORK.
HE DOES MOST OF THE PLAN REVIEW.
UH, TOM IS HONESTLY BUSY HELPING ME BE A DEPUTY CHIEF, BEING THE DEPUTY FIRE CHIEF.
UH, BUT HE, HE, HE ALSO LOOKS OVER.
BUT CHRIS AND TOM MEET WITH JEFF FREQUENTLY ABOUT PLANS.
JEFF MEETS WITH THEM FREQUENTLY ABOUT PLANS.
SO, UH, I HAVE NOTES THAT I'VE TAKEN TONIGHT THAT I'LL, UH, PASS BACK TO THEM ON SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, WHEN, WHEN THEY WERE HERE, WHETHER IT'LL AFFECT US OR NOT.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, THANK YOU, TIM.
UH, IT SAYS YOU'RE GONNA TALK TO US ABOUT CVS GRANTS.
I'LL GIVE YOU SOME WHAT I WOULD CALL RAPID FIRE UPDATES.
UM, AND, UH, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS WE CAN TALK ABOUT, SOME OF THESE HAVE SOME POLICY RAMIFICATIONS, UH, ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO ALLEYS AND, UM, THE COMMUNITY GARDENS.
BUT STARTING WITH THE C-D-S-C-D-S STANDS FOR, UH, CONGRESSIONAL DIRECTED SPENDING, ALSO KNOWN AS
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FEDERAL.UH, EARMARKS WANTED TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE 2025, UH, EARMARK, UH, REQUEST THAT WE, UH, WERE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING ABOUT $2 MILLION INCLUDED IN THE FEDERAL 2020, UH, 2024 FEDERAL, UH, BUDGET.
WE WERE GOT A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM, UH, CONGRESSWOMAN DEAN'S OFFICE AND FORMER, UH, UH, FORMER SENATOR CASEY AND ALSO, UH, FEDERMAN BETTERMAN'S OFFICE.
UM, ALL THESE EARMARKS ARE SUCCESSFUL AS LONG AS YOU CAN GET A PAST FEDERAL BUDGET.
AND, UM, AS YOU KNOW, THE FEDERAL BUDGET HAS NOT BEEN PASSED.
UM, AND SO, UM, THIS WAS ALL CONTINGENT ON A PAST, UH, BUDGET.
WHAT THE CONGRESS HAS DONE IS THEY'VE DONE A CONTINUED RESOLUTION, WHICH BASICALLY CONTINUES CURRENT SPENDING UNTIL SEPTEMBER.
AND IT'S REDUCED, UH, ELIMINATED ALL EARMARKS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THERE.
SO WE'RE IN A POSITION, UH, WE HAD PUT IN, UM, WHAT HAD GOTTEN SECURED $2 MILLION FOR THE $3.1 MILLION, UM, UH, SECOND AVENUE FORCED MAIN GRAVITY SEWER LINE.
SO WE HAD A LARGE LONG PRO, UH,
UM, THE CDS, UH, HAS, THIS PARTICULAR AIRMARK HAS ALREADY BEEN ENDORSED BY THE, UM, BY THE CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION.
WE SEE NO REASON WHY, UM, SENATORS, UH, HARMING CONFEDERATE WILL ALSO SIGN ONTO TO THIS.
THE PROBLEM IS, IF YOU PIVOT TO ANOTHER PROJECT, YOU HAVE TO START THE WHOLE PROCESS OVER.
SO WE DECIDED, UM, I THINK, UM, AND I ASKED, UH, BOTH MIKE COIN AND BRIAN ON WHETHER WE CAN HOLD TIGHT FOR ANOTHER FEW MONTHS JUST TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THIS FUNDING OVER THE FINISH LINE.
SO I THINK OUR, OUR CONSENSUS ON STAFF IS TO TAKE A WAIT AND SEE APPROACH.
WE HAD INITIALLY THOUGHT ABOUT PIVOTING TO THE, UH, SEWER INTERCEPTOR LINE PROJECT, WHICH IS A MORE MULTI-YEAR PROJECT STILL, UH, AN IMPORTANT, UM, PROJECT.
BUT THAT WOULD REQUIRES GOING BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
SO JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A, I'VE GOTTEN A GOOD EXPOSURE AND THE FEDERAL BUDGETARY PROCESS.
UM, AND UH, WE'RE HOPING, UH, JUST WANTED TO KEEP YOU UPDATED ON THAT.
ANY QUESTIONS IN THAT? I KIND OF GAVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF UPDATE BILL, JUST LEARNING ON THAT.
THE FORCE MAIN ON SECOND AVENUE, IS THAT ACTUAL PIPER REPLACEMENT OR IS THAT PUMP STATION ADDRESS? WELL REPLACEMENT OF THE, UH, OF THE PIPE ITSELF, OF THE 16 INCH, UH, ASBESTOS CEMENT PIPE THAT'S IN THE GROUND.
AND THAT'S NOT ONE THAT WE CAN LINE, THAT HAS TO BE AN ACTUAL REPLACEMENT.
BECAUSE LINING IT WOULD REDUCE THE DIAMETER OF THE PIPE, REDUCE THE CAPACITY OF THE PIPE, SO IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.
AND THEN WE THEN THE ONE CLOSER TO THE PLAN, WHICH IS WALNUT STREET GOING DOWN THAT WAY ALONG THE RIVER.
I ASSUME IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE PLANE, RIGHT? IT DOES.
AND WE ALREADY HAVE LINED ONE SECTION CLOSE TO THE PLAN.
I GUESS, WHAT'S THE URGENCY? I MEAN, DO WE THINK WE COULD GET A FAILURE IN FIVE YEARS? WELL, THE SECTION THAT WE LINED LAST YEAR ON AN EMERGENCY BASIS WAS A RESULT OF A FAILURE IN THE PIPE.
IF YOU REMEMBER SEEING PICTURES WITH THE POLE IN THE TOP OF THE PIPE.
UM, THE ENTIRETY OF THAT LINE IS, I THINK IT WAS BUILT IN THE NINE, ABOUT 1965.
SO IT IS APPROACHING THE END OF ITS USEFUL LIFE.
WE'D LIKE TO, UH, INSTALL THE CURE IN PLACE LAYER THAT THE BOARD APPROVED A PORTION OF, AS PART OF THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, UH, FOR A CAPITAL SPEND IN 2025 TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THAT PIPE.
UH, WE DO NOT WANNA HAVE TO COME TO YOU WITH A PRICE TO HAVE TO DIG IT UP AND REPLACE IT ALONG THE RIVER.
WE'D MUCH PREFER TO INSTALL A CURED IN PLACE LINER AND EXTEND THE, THE LIFE OF THE PIPE BY ANOTHER 50 YEARS.
AND I ASSUME TOO, THAT IF WE DID HAVE A FAILURE IN EITHER ONE OF THOSE TWO PLACES AND A SPILLAGE AGENDA OF THE RIVER, THEN, THEN WE, WE BE PAYING FINES.
UH, THERE'D BE TWO PROBLEMS. THE, UH, SEWER COMING DOWN FROM UP ABOVE THE POINT IN THE BREAK WOULD BE GOING INTO THE RIVER AND THE RIVER WOULD BE GOING INTO THE PIPE AND OVERWHELMING THE TREATMENT PLANT.
SO WE'D BE IN A WORLD OF HERD IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN.
UM, MOVING ON TO MY NEXT ITEM IS THE, UH, NON TOWNSHIP, UH, ON THE ALLEYS, UH, WE'VE HAD A TOWNSHIP HAS A NUMBER OF UNNAMED, UH, PRIVATE ALLEYS.
I THINK THE FINAL COUNT WE HAD DONE, AM I CORRECT, IS AROUND 30, 38.
AND IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT RESIDENCE ADJACENT TO AN ALLEY NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF EGYPT ROAD AND ROUTE 29 IN COLLEGEVILLE HAVE ASKED ATTENTION TO REPAY THAT PORTION OF THE ALLEY.
UM, WHAT STAFF'S BEEN STRUGGLING WITH, WITH IS THAT WE WOULD BE SETTING A, A PRECEDENT IF WE WENT OUT THERE AND USED TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO REPAY FOR PRIVATE ALLEY.
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BRING IT UP TO CERTAIN STANDARDS AND, UM, AND SETTING A PRECEDENT.SO WE'VE BEEN, WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO IS FIND SOME MIDDLE GROUND, UH, TO HELP THESE RESIDENTS.
UH, WE DON'T, UM, SO ONE OPTION WE WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE IS TO PROVIDE MILLINGS, UH, FROM SOME OF OUR ROAD PROJECTS, UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT THE BOROUGH AMBLER DOES.
I'M GONNA A LITTLE PIVOT TO JOE, IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT A FEW YEARS AGO.
THEY, THEY JUST BEGAN TAKING CARE OF IT WITH MILLINGS FROM EXISTING ROAD JOBS AND THEY WOULD DELIVER IT TO THE ALLEYS THAT WERE POPPED UP, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE PRIVATE ALLEYS.
UH, AND STAFF WOULD ROLL 'EM AND IT WAS MADE CLEAR TO THE NEIGHBORS, JUST REALLY CONVERSATIONALLY, THIS IS NOT BEING PAVED.
IT DOESN'T MEET ANY SPECS FOR PAVING, BUT SINCE WE HAVE THESE MILLS AVAILABLE, WE'LL AT LEAST MAKE YOUR ALLEY MORE PASSABLE.
IT WASN'T DONE AS A PART OF ANY, UM, LIKE OFFICIAL PROGRAM.
WHEN THEY HAD THE MILLINGS, THEY WOULD SHOW UP AND HAVE A MAJORITY OF THE NEIGHBORS CONVENE AND SAY, YEAH, WE WANT, WE WANT TO DO THAT.
SO OUR PROPOSAL IS TO, WE HAVE A PROJECT, I THINK THE CURRENT PROJECT'S ALREADY IN PLACE, BUT I THINK WE HAVE A FUTURE ROAD PROJECT WHERE WE'RE GONNA, IF WE KNOW IN ADVANCE, UM, WE CAN TRY TO, UH, SO THAT WE'RE FAIR TO ANY ALLEY OWNERS OUT THERE THAT WE COULD MAKE, UM, THE MILLINGS AVAILABLE.
WE DO HAVE A SMALL, KIND OF A SMALL PAVER, NOT A PAVER, BUT A ROLLER WHERE WE, WE COULD HELP.
SO I THINK THAT'S A WAY TO GET OUT OF THE, WHERE WE'RE QUOTE USING, UH, TAXPAYER DOLLARS PAVING, UH, PRIVATE ALLEYS.
I WANTED TO GET THE BOARD'S CONSENSUS, IF YOU FEEL THAT'S A FAIR COMPROMISE ON OUR ALLEY.
THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT YES.
I MEAN I FEEL LIKE THE ONE THAT I'M REFERRING TO IS THEY DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER WAY TO GET TO THEIR HOMES.
THEY'RE ON EGYPT, SO THEY USE THIS ALLEY TO ON TAKE THEIR GROCERIES OUT OR, OR ANYTHING.
THEY HAVE THEIR, UM, THEIR GARAGES AND THEIR, UH, DRIVEWAYS OFF OF THIS ALLEY.
SO THAT'S WHERE IT CAME TO MY ATTENTION AND IT SEEMED, I THINK WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING.
I DON'T WANT TO GET SNOW REMOVAL.
I DON'T WANT DO ANY OF THAT STUFF.
THEY JUST ASKS, THERE'S A LOT OF POTHOLES.
IT'S 60 YEARS OLD BEFORE ANYBODY'S EVER TOUCHED THIS BEFORE.
WHAT CAN YOU GUYS DO WITH THE TOWNSHIP, JOE, AM I CORRECT IN THAT WHETHER YOU HAD TO GET THE PROPERTY, YOU WENT DOOR TO DOOR, GOT THE PROPERTY OWNER'S PERMISSION, OR AT LEAST LET THEM KNOW? I DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY HAD TO SIGN A DISCLOSURE OR HOW THAT WORKED.
THEY WERE NEVER SURE WHAT EXACTLY WHEN THE MILLINGS WERE GOING TO BE AVAILABLE BASED ON THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS ON THE NEW ROADS.
AND SO IT WAS DONE, UM, ALLEY BY ALLEY, BLOCK BY BLOCK WHEN THEY HAD 'EM AVAILABLE AND THEY DIDN'T EVEN MAKE THEM SIGN ANYTHING.
THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED TO A MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS BLOCK, WE'RE GONNA HELP YOU OUT.
SO SHORT OF PUTTING SOMETHING IN A WRITTEN POLICY, WE WERE JUST GONNA TRY THAT OUT AND SEE HOW THAT WORKS.
YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO STILL TAKE THESE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS ON SET OF POLICY BECAUSE I, I KNOW IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE THERE'S A REAL HARDSHIP FOR THESE FOLKS, BUT THERE ARE OTHER ALLEYWAYS I'M SURE WHERE IT WOULD NOT BE A HARDSHIP.
NOBODY WANTS TO HAVE TO REPAY, BUT, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE ROAD OR PRIVATE ALLEYWAY, THEN YOU HAVE TO KNOW THAT'S LIABILITY.
SO I THINK IF WE HAVE MILLINGS THEN IT'S NOT WHY NOT? LAST ITEM IS THE, UH, THE COMMUNITY GARDEN PROPOSAL.
I THINK I PUT A MEMO INTO YOUR PACKETS.
UM, JUST TO REITERATE, STAFF IS NOT OPPOSED TO, UM, TO THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF A COMMUNITY GARDEN.
WE JUST HAVE ISSUES WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL.
AND I THINK I OUTLINED IN THERE, UM, THAT UH, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT FEMA AGREEMENTS, UM, PRECLUDE THIS TYPE OF USE.
THAT'S THE MAIN, UM, THAT'S THE MAIN DETRACTOR ON THIS WHOLE, ON THIS PROPOSAL.
UM, THE REQUIREMENT FOR EXTENSIVE FENCING, UM, WE'RE INTRODUCING STRUCTURES WITHIN THAT, WITHIN THAT CORRIDOR.
AND, UM, THE REMOVAL OF TREES IN PARTICULAR HAS, UM, PROMPTED SOME, UH, LOCAL RESIDENTIAL OPPOSITION.
AND WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS THAT MAY HAVE SOME, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, UH, CONSERVATION CONCERN THAT WE HAVE.
SO WHAT WE'RE, WHAT I'M, WHAT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDING IS THAT WE SUGGESTED THE EAC AND THE PARK BOARD TO CONSIDER ALTERNATIVE LOCATIONS, UH, THAT ARE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE PARKS, UH, TOWNSHIP PARKS MASTER PLAN AND OR OUTSIDE THE FEDERAL, UH, FLOOD PLAN.
WE WOULD LIKE, UM, BRIAN CAN SPEAK TO THIS, FE IS A REAL STICKLER ON ANYTHING THAT GOES IN THE FLOOD PLAN.
AND I JUST DON'T, WE JUST DON'T WANNA RISK GETTING THEIR HIGHER.
SO ONE THOUGHT, AND I KNOW I TALKED TO TIM ABOUT THIS, WAS THE WHITAKER PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE DONATING, WHAT, 33% OF THE PROPERTY TO US? THEY PUT THE PLAYGROUND AND IT'S DOWN IN MONTCLAIR.
I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE IF IT WAS IN MONTCLAIR 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE FROM AND I DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE, OKAY, NOW IT'S OVER AT SI MEAN THAT'S NOT HELPING THEM.
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UM, YOU COULD GIVE 'CAUSE IT'S A PIE SHAPE, GIVE THEM THE TOP CORNER OF IT.I DON'T KNOW, IT'S JUST A THOUGHT.
IT'S IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT OF COURSE IT'S UP TO SUE AND I WOULD LOVE TO GET HER AT OUR PARK.
AND, UH, NOW WE'RE GOING ON TO CONSULTING REPORTS.
[CONSULTANT REPORTS]
REPORT, UH, JUST THAT ROAD PROJECTS A AND B ARE BOTH UNDERWAY AND THE ANDERSON FARM LOOP TRAIL THAT YOU CAN SEE ON ONE 13.THEY'RE COMPLETING THEIR PUNCH LIST ITEMS NOW.
UH, ALRIGHT, NOW WE HAVE OUR MONTHLY, UH, DEVELOPER IMPROVEMENT GUARANTEE REDUCTION LIST.
YOU, YOU, YOU THINK I CAN STILL DO THESE? THANKS.
ALRIGHT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MONTHLY DEVELOPER IMPROVEMENT GUARANTEE REDUCTION LIST AS FOLLOWS.
ITEM A FOUNDER'S ESTATE RELEASE NUMBER NINE, FINAL $114,324 AND 49 CENTS.
ITEM B, GLOBAL PACKAGING RELEASE NUMBER NINE, FINAL $431,949 75 CENTS.
ITEM C, PATIENT FIRST RELEASE NUMBER THREE, FINAL $119,932 AND 17 CENTS.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
AND UH, MR. SOLICITOR, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO REPORT? NOTHING FURTHER.
ALRIGHT, AND NOW WE'RE DOWN TO SUPERVISOR'S
[SUPERVISORS COMMENTS3]
COMMENTS.ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE FIRST GAUNTLET.
BILL, YOU WANTED
IT WAS AWESOME AND, UM, I HOPE IT CONTINUES.
YEAH, WELL, THE WEATHER MADE IT BE, I THINK THE WEATHER MADE IT THE BEST.
IT WAS WET AND MESSY AND SLOPPY.
MY DAUGHTER WANTS TO DO THE MILE AGAIN AS SOON AS YOU ALL RIGHT.
[UPCOMING EVENTS]
EVENTS.UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING, UH, IS TOMORROW NIGHT, APRIL 22ND AT 7:00 PM THREE.
TEXT AMENDMENTS, WE TALKED ABOUT 'EM EARLIER IN THE MEETING.
THEN OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING IS MAY 19TH AT 7:00 PM AND THEN JUNE 16TH AT 7:00 PM THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL MEET MAY 7TH AT 7:00 PM ON THE AGENDA IS THE QUEST DEVELOPMENT FEE DISCUSSION.
AND MAY 21ST AT 7:00 PM AND THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED.
SO WATCH THE WEBSITE AND, UH, THE, THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL WILL MEET, UH, WHAT SAYS MAY 21ST, 6:00 PM THEN IT SAYS RESCHEDULE FOR A JOINT MEETING WITH PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD.
SO, IS THAT CORRECT? MAY 21ST? NO, NO.
MAY 14TH IS IS THE NEXT EAC MEETING OKAY.
THAT THEY'RE JOINING WITH THE PARK AND RECOGNITION OKAY.
ALRIGHT, SO PARKS AND REC AND, AND ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL WILL MEET TOGETHER MAY 14TH AT 6:00 PM UH, THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY MEETS JUNE 5TH AT 7:00 PM ZONING HEARING.
MEETING SCHEDULED IS AS FOLLOWS, MAY 13TH AT 7:00 PM APPLICATION 25 DASH OH TWO.
REGARDING 20 HAWKEYE DRIVE AND APPLICATION 25 DASH OH THREE REGARDING 3 0 5 MONTGOMERY AVENUE.
AND, UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.