[CALL TO ORDER]
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I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE UPPER PROVIDENCE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MARCH 17TH, 2025.PATRICK'S STATE, ALL CELEBRATE AND WILL YOU PLEASE RISE AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ALL NATION UNDER GOD IN THE LIBERTY JUSTICE.
[MOTION TO APPROVE BOARD AGENDA]
EVERYONE'S HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT OUR AGENDA.I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
[PUBLIC COMMENT]
WE HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR STREET ADDRESS, AND PLEASE TRY TO HOLD YOUR COMMENTS.IS THIS FRANK? HI, MY NAME IS CLAUDIA VAN POPIN, UM, AT 2 2 4 EGYPT ROAD.
IS THIS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO ANY OF THE AGENDA ITEMS, ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA OR ANY BUSINESS OF THE PASTURE? OKAY.
UM, SO I, UM, HAVE QUESTIONS BUT COMMENTS FOR THE, UM, ONE 40 WHITAKER AVENUE, UH, TOPIC.
UM, AND JUST HAVEN'T, DON'T HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THIS.
SO PLEASE BEAR WITH ME AS MY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT ARE RELATED TO INCREASED IN TRAFFIC ON EGYPT ROAD, UM, AS WELL AS BRIDGE STREET AND THE SURROUNDING AREA, UM, AND HOW THINGS ARE BEING HANDLED WITH THE OPEN SPACE, UM, AND UNDERSTANDING THE IMPACT TO THAT AREA, UM, AND UNDERSTANDING IF THERE'S BEEN ANY ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES OR TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE FOR THE AREA SINCE THERE ARE, UM, NO SIDEWALKS.
UM, AND SO JUST KIND OF NEEDING MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, PROJECT IS FOR THIS.
OKAY? IT'S GONNA BE OUR ITEM, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE UNDER OLD BUSINESS.
AND, UH, THEY'RE GONNA MAKE A PRESENTATION.
SO THEN IF WE HAVE FURTHER COMMENTS AFTER THAT PRESENTATION, HOW DO THOSE GET VOICED? WELL, THIS IS JUST GONNA BE A DISCUSSION TONIGHT.
THERE'S GONNA BE NO ACTION BY THE BOARD.
SO, UH, THE NEXT OPPORTUNITY WOULD BE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN, WHEN THEY'RE ON THAT AGENDA.
AND THAT'S NOT SCHEDULED CURRENTLY? NO, IT'S NOT.
ANYONE ELSE? ALRIGHT, SEEING NO ONE ELSE RISE.
UM, AN EXECUTIVE SESSION WAS HELD, UH, THIS PAST WEEK, MARCH 12TH, UH, 2025.
AND THE TOPICS DISCUSSED WERE PERSONNEL MATTERS.
[APPROVAL OF BILL LIST]
WE HAVE OUR BILL LIST, AND I KNOW EVERYONE'S HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE BILL LIST, SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE.I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FEBRUARY 1ST TO FEBRUARY 28TH, 2025 BILL LIST IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,620,080 94 CENTS.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY APPRO? ANY, ANY DISAPPROVE? ANY? THANK YOU.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
WE ALSO HAD A SET OF MINUTES FROM OUR FEBRUARY 18TH, UH, REGULAR MEETING, UH, AND WE NEED TO APPROVE THOSE.SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FEBRUARY 18TH AND 4, 3, 5 FOR SUPERVISORS REGULAR MEETING MINUTES.
[OLD BUSINESS (ACTION/DISCUSSION ITEMS)]
WHOLE BUSINESS.UH, AND NOW WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT ONE 40.
DO WE HAVE SOMEONE HERE? GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.
ALISON ZARO ON BEHALF OF HIGH TOP DEVELOPMENT.
I'M HERE THIS EVENING TO TALK ABOUT ONE 40 WHITAKER AVENUE.
UH, WITH ME THIS EVENING ARE DAVE LANCE GRONER FROM HIGH TOP DEVELOPMENT AND HERB SCHULTZ, WHO IS, UM, THE ARCHITECT AND PLANNER FOR THE PROJECT.
UM, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY I KNOW THE BOARD IS FAMILIAR WITH, IT'S LOCATED, UM, IN THE PBO UH, ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH DOES PERMIT TOWNHOUSES BY RIGHT IN THE DISTRICT.
SO WE'RE NOT HERE TONIGHT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT ANY REZONING OR ANY CHANGES, UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE APPLICABLE ZONING ON THE PROPERTY.
HOWEVER, WE DID WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT, UM, THE LEASE THAT IS APPLICABLE TO THE PROPERTY AND OUR PRO SHOW YOU A PROPOSED SKETCH, UM, OF DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY.
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THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY IMPROVED WITH AN EXISTING BUILDING THAT WAS KNOWN AS THE OLD MONTCLAIR SCHOOL THAT'S CURRENTLY USED AS AN OFFICE BUILDING AND ASSOCIATED PARKING.UM, AND IN 1985, THE, UH, CURRENT LEGAL PROPERTY OWNER, AND I SHOULD ADD, MY CLIENTS, THE EQUITABLE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, UM, HAD ENTERED INTO A LEASE WITH THE TOWNSHIP, UM, PERTAINING TO, UH, TWO DIFFERENT ASPECTS ON THE PROPERTY.
THE FIRST IS A PLAY AREA, UM, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE 11,000, 50 SQUARE FEET.
IT IS A DELINEATED AREA ON THE PLAN, AND THERE IS A SMALL PLAY SET OUT THERE TODAY.
UM, THE SECOND AREA IS A 3.65 ACRE, UM, PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS LEASED AS OPEN SPACE TO THE TOWNSHIP.
UM, AND WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO WALK YOU THROUGH, UH, WHAT WE THINK IS A, A GOOD LAYOUT FOR THE PLAN AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT SOME POTENTIAL TWEAKS TO THAT LEASE, BUT ULTIMATELY, UM, UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WOULD STILL BE HOLDING A PLAYER, A PLAY AREA ON THE SITE AND THE TOTAL OF 3.65 ACRES.
SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE HERB SCHULTZ WALK YOU THROUGH, UH, JUST YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M GONNA HAVE YOU WALK, WALK YOU THROUGH IT MORE FORMALLY, UH, WHERE THE PROPERTY IS, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ON THE SCREEN, AND THEN SHOW YOU, UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING ON THE SITE.
UM, SO, UH, YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE ACTUALLY.
SO THIS IS THE, UH, THE PROPOSED NEW PLAN, AS ALLISON HAD SAID.
SO WE'RE BASICALLY PROPOSING A CLUSTER OF TOWNHOUSES HERE WITH A LOOP ROAD, UH, AND DRIVEWAYS ALL ACCESSED OFF OF THAT LOOP ROAD.
UH, THE MAIN AREA OF OPEN SPACE IS HERE.
WE'RE, WE'RE BASICALLY KEEPING ALL OF THIS OPEN SPACE.
UM, THE IDEA IS THAT WE'RE KIND OF RE REALLOCATING THE OPEN SPACE AROUND THE BACK HERE, UM, AND THEN PROVIDING A LARGER PLAY AREA IN THIS ZONE.
UH, IF YOU SEE HERE, THIS LITTLE RED BOX HERE, THAT IS THE ACTUAL PLAYGROUND SPACE AS IT IS TODAY.
IT'S ABOUT 20 FEET BY 16 FEET, ABOUT 300 SQUARE FEET.
UM, THE AREA THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS MUCH MORE IN LINE WITH THE ORIGINAL LEASE WITH THE TOWNSHIP.
UH, AS ALLISON MENTIONED, UH, THE, THE LEASE CALLS FOR ABOUT 11,000 SQUARE FOOT OF PLAY SPACE OR, UM, USABLE SPACE.
SO THAT, THAT'S THIS AREA HERE.
AND I HAVE SOME RENDERINGS HERE THAT WE'LL SHOW YOU IN A MINUTE.
UM, IN ADDITION, UH, TO ENLARGING THAT SPACE, WE'RE MOVING IT BACK FROM, UH, THE ROADWAY HERE JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE BUFFER TO THE, UH, NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET.
UH, AND THEN JUST FROM A SITE STANDPOINT, WE HAVE A SERIES OF WALKWAYS KIND OF MEANDERING THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
AGAIN, ENVISIONING THIS AS A, A PROGRAM, UM, PUBLIC SPACE.
THE NEXT ONE, SO HERE'S A VIEW, UH, THIS IS, I ACTUALLY DROVE BY TODAY.
THIS IS, UM, THIS IS THE PLAYGROUND AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S THE, THE MONTCLAIR SCHOOL HERE OFF TO THE RIGHT, AND THEN ALL THIS OPEN SPACE THAT GRADES UP TO SOME HOUSING HERE AND THE CONDO BUILDINGS BACK THIS WAY NEXT.
SO THIS IS A VIEW SORT OF COMPARING, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THERE NOW TO, YOU KNOW, PROPOSED, UH, PROPOSED, UH, PLAYGROUND SPACE.
OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT SOME, UM, SOME BUFFER PLANTINGS, LIKE I SAID, A WALKWAY COMING THROUGH ALONG THE ROADWAY.
AND THEN ALSO, UH, KIND OF MEANDERING THROUGHOUT THE OPEN SPACE.
LOTS OF PLANTING OF TREES AND JUST TRYING TO GREEN THE SPACE UP EVEN MORE.
OKAY, SO HERE'S A VIEW LOOKING UP WHITAKER.
UM, AGAIN, THE ORIGINAL PLAYGROUND WOULD BASICALLY BE IN THIS, WHERE THIS LITTLE CAR HERE IS.
UM, SO WE ENVISION THIS TO BE VERY PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY.
UM, LOTS OF, YOU KNOW, GUEST PARKING TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S, UH, ENOUGH PARKING FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TOWNHOUSES AND ALSO VISITORS OF THIS SPACE.
UH, AND AGAIN, THESE, UM, PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS NEXT.
SO HERE'S A VIEW KIND OF LOOKING BACK TOWARDS, UH, THE SPACE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, BECAUSE OF THE GRADING, WE'VE IMPLEMENTED A NUMBER OF, OF, UH, UH, RETAINING WALLS AND THINGS TO REALLY DEFINE THE AREA.
UM, WELL, I MEAN BASICALLY THIS, UH, PLAYGROUND SPACE RIGHT HERE.
THIS ONE IS BASICALLY THE SIZE OF WHAT'S THERE TODAY.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING A MUCH LARGER, MORE PROGRAMMED SPACE, UH, OUTDOOR SEATING, UH, PICNIC AREAS, COVERED AREAS, UH, PLAYGROUND SPACES.
NEXT, HERE'S ANOTHER VIEW, SORT OF LOOKING UP THE HILLSIDE.
UM, AGAIN, JUST, YOU KNOW, SHOWING THE ACTIVATED SPACES, UH, AND OUTDOOR PUBLIC SPACE EVEN ON THE GRASSY AREA HERE NEXT.
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SO THIS IS A VIEW JUST INSIDE OF THE AREA.AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS WALL SORT OF, YOU KNOW, IS A NICE, UH, DELINEATION FROM THE GREEN SPACE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT PROVIDES A NICE BUFFER ZONE FOR THE LITTLE KIDS RUNNING AROUND NEXT.
SO THIS IS ONE OF THE PATHWAYS THAT SORT OF MEANDERS, IF YOU FOLLOWED THIS AROUND, YOU'D ACTUALLY CONNECT ALL THE WAY BACK AROUND, UH, THE TOWNHOUSES TO THE OTHER SIDE OF WHITAKER.
UM, AGAIN, WE REALLY SEE THIS AS BEING USED BY BOTH AS AN AMENITY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE LIVING HERE, BUT ALSO THE, UH, EXISTING, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD TEXT.
HERE'S A VIEW, JUST LOOKING, UH, DOWN THE MAIN, ONE OF THE MAIN ROADS THAT COMES IN THE LOOP ROAD, UH, IN THE TOWNHOUSE.
AGAIN, WE'RE PROPOSING LOTS OF PLANTINGS AS A BUFFER, UH, TO SHIELD ALL THE PARKING.
AND OBVIOUSLY THE PARKING FOR THE, FOR THE TOWNHOUSES THEMSELVES ARE, ARE GARAGE AND DRIVEWAY ACCESSED NEXT.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU HAPPY TO ANSWER.
SO, UM, SO THE DIAGONAL TO THE LEFT, THAT'S, THAT IS NOT A, THAT'S NOT A ROADWAY THERE.
CORRECT? THE ROADWAY RUNS ALL ALONG HERE.
THIS IS A, THIS IS THE PROPERTY LINE, SO THERE'S A SERIES OF HOUSES.
SO, UH, AS WELL AS THE, THE WALKING PAST THROUGH THE PROPERTY, WE'RE GOING TO BOOK CURB AND SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY AROUND IF THEY, IF IT'S NOT THERE TODAY, RIGHT? IT'S NOT THERE TODAY, BUT YES, THAT IS THE BOOK.
AND, UH, AS FAR AS THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, I I, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO WORK WITH OUR PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR TO, OKAY.
AND THE, THE PLAY AREA WOULD BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION? I THINK THAT'S THE PLAN THAT THAT'LL BE OPEN TO CONVERSATION.
YEAH, I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE DEDICATION, WE CAN DO THAT.
OR IF THE HOA NEEDS TO MANAGE IT, THEN HOA WILL MANAGE IT.
WOULD THERE BE A BUDGET FOR THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT IF YOU'RE PUTTING IT IN? I'M SORRY SIR.
ARE YOU TAKING CARE OF THE PARK EQUIPMENT AND PUTTING IT IN AGAIN? I THINK IT MATTERS.
YES, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE, OF THE PLAN.
DAVID, I THINK WE GOTTA HAVE YOU COME UP WITH THE MIC.
YES, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE PLAN.
WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE PURCHASING IT AND THEN MAINTAINING IT.
AND HOW MANY UNITS IN TOTAL? THIS PLAN IS 51 24 FOOT WIDE TOWN HOMES.
AND HOW WIDE ARE THOSE STREETS? THAT, UM, UH, THESE ARE 24 FOOT WIDE, FIVE FOOT, UH, WALKWAYS AND THEN 20 FOOT DEEP DRIVEWAYS,
AND IS THERE ANY CONNECTION TO THE TRAILS AROUND MONTCLAIR AT ALL WITH THE TRAIL THAT, AND THIS MIGHT BE A JEFF QUESTION.
I DON'T THINK THERE REALLY ISN'T MUCH.
THERE, THERE ARE SOME SIDEWALKS AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO SORT OF WORK THROUGH ONCE WE GET INTO LAND DEVELOPMENT AND, AND, UM, BUT THERE ISN'T TRAILS, THE WAY WE HAVE TRAILS AND THE REST OF THE, ONLY BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S AN OLDER PORTION OF THE TOWNSHIP AND IT'S SIDEWALKS.
AND WE'LL LOOK AT COMPLETING, MAKING SURE SIDEWALKS ARE COMPLETE AND CONNECTED SO YOU CAN WALK FROM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IN IF WE GET TO LAND ON.
SO THE REST OF THIS, THE, THE PROPERTY THAT IS, I GUESS IT'S A TOWNSHIP PROPERTY NOW, THIS PIE SHAPED AREA OR IS IT LEASED TO US? OR HOW, HOW DOES THAT RELATIONSHIP WORK? YEAH, SO RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S A LEASE.
THERE'S A, A 3.65 ACRE PIECE THAT'S TO THE LEFT.
THAT IS UNDER A LEASE WITH THE TOWNSHIP AS OPEN SPACE.
SO WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO REDUCE THE 3.65 ACRES AT ALL.
ALL WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS REALLOCATE THE LINES OF WHERE THAT GOES BECAUSE SOME OF IT GOES BEHIND.
SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD ALL STAY OPEN ON THE NORTH PLAN NORTH.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE, ALL OF THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE NEW OPEN SPACE.
SO IN THE PARKING LOT ON THE BACK SIDE THERE IS A HILL.
WHAT KIND OF, UM, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT THE HILL THAT'S THERE? OR IS THAT GONNA STAY AND THAT'S JUST GONNA BE LIKE A, A BUFFER BETWEEN A B IT WOULD BE A NATURAL KIND OF LIKE A NATURAL BUFFER BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL BEHIND IT AND THEN THE PROPERTY, THE, THE CONDOS.
AND YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL SCREENING OR PLANTINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO SEE THERE, WE'RE WILLING TO WORK THROUGH THAT AND KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SCREEN IT OFF IF IT NEEDS TO BE.
BUT RIGHT NOW IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY SCREENING BACK THERE.
THERE'S A FENCE, JUST A FENCE DOWN.
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YEAH, THE OTHER SIDE HILL GOES LIKE THIS.SO WE COULD, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH, UM, THE TOWNSHIP AND KIND OF COME UP WITH A, A LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WOULD MAKE IT MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING THAN JUST A, A FENCE.
WHAT IS THE PRICE POINT FOR THESE TOWNHOUSE TO BE DETERMINED? WE DON'T KNOW A HUNDRED PERCENT YET, BUT PROBABLY IN THE FIVES, FOUR OR FIVES, SOMETHING IN THAT RANGE.
WHEN DOES THE LEASE EXPIRE FOR THE TOWNSHIP? 70 SOME YEARS FROM NOW.
99 YEAR LEASE ENTERED INTO A 1985.
THERE'S LIKE 60 SOME ODD YEARS.
YOU HAVE, WE HAVE TO LET YOU OUT OF THE LEASE.
THAT'S WHAT'S NOT, NOT LET US OUT OF THE LEASE.
THE, THE IDEA WOULD BE TO AMEND THE LEASE TO REDRAW THE LINES AND ALLOW THE, SO THERE ARE TWO PARTS TO IT.
THE LEASE SHOWS A VERY SPECIFIC AREA FOR THE PLAY AREA.
OUR PROPOSAL IS TO SHIFT THAT BACK AND THEN TO, UM, RECONFIGURE THE LINES FOR THE 3.65 ACRES.
BUT IT WOULD NOT BE TO TERMINATE THE LEASE, IT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE LEASE.
IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION TO YOU BUILDING A PLAYGROUND? NOT NECESSARILY LIKE THE PARK NEXT DOOR TO HERE, BUT YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT MORE TO UPSCALE TO WHAT YOU HAVE IN THE PICTURES THAT OH YEAH.
SO THE, WHAT WE PUT IN THE PICTURES IS JUST TO LIKE GET AN IDEA.
IT WAS ALWAYS OUR INTENT TO WORK WITH THE PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR.
I THINK IT'S SUE, RIGHT? SUE OFFICE.
WE'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH TOO MANY TIMES.
UM, SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD WORK WITH, WITH THE STAFF AND COME UP WITH A REAL PLAN.
WHAT IS THAT PHONE CALL AGAINST? IN OTHER WORDS, WHO'S VIEWING THAT LOT HERE? YES.
SO, UH, THIS IS, THESE ARE OBVIOUSLY TOWNHOUSE CLUSTERS HERE WE HAVE A PLANTED BUFFER, UH, AND THEN A WALKWAY AND THEN WHITAKER WHITAKER STREET ALONG THIS WAY.
CORRECT THAT ON THE SIDE, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE THREE HOUSES THAT ARE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OVER HERE.
WHAT KIND OF BUFFERS ARE ON THAT SIDE? AGAIN? I MEAN, AT LEAST TO BUFFER LIKE THIS, WE WERE SHOWING SOME, UH, TREE PLANTING THINGS ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE THERE AS WELL.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE WOULD WORK WITH THE TOWNSHIP IF THERE WAS ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS, SIR.
AND THERE'S ALREADY PRETTY SIGNIFICANT SETBACKS THAT WE HAVE TO HIT.
'CAUSE 'CAUSE SIDE YARDS AND STUFF.
AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER, I THINK 15 FEET UNTIL YOU GET TO OUR PROPERTY.
SO THERE'S A PRETTY, I WASN'T SURE HOW, WHERE YOUR, WHERE THE PROPERTY ENDED COMPARED TO WHERE WE COULD SHOW, DO YOU WANNA SHOW THE AREA REAL QUICK? YEAH, IF I GO BACK TO THE FIRST ONE, ONE MORE.
IF YOU COULD JUST ZOOM IN ON THAT, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THOSE HOUSES ARE.
THERE'S STILL LIKE A GOOD AMOUNT OF WOODED SPACE BEHIND.
AND WE PUT ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS LIKE ON OUR PROPERTY LINES YOU CAN SEE WITH THOSE TREES.
AND RIGHT NOW THAT, THAT LONG PROPERTY LINE, THAT, THAT ORDERS THE, THE MEADOWS, UM, THERE'S NO SIDEWALK ALONG THAT LINE NOW, RIGHT? THERE'S NOT, NOPE.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GONNA DO WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.
WE COULD DO SIDEWALK, WE COULD DO TRAIL, WE COULD DO WHATEVER IS BEST.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE WILLING TO KIND OF FLUSH THAT OUT DURING LAND DEVELOPMENT.
'CAUSE UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, THE ORIGINAL LEASE AGREEMENT WAS TO KEEP PART OF THIS PROPERTY OPEN SPACE FOR THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD TO USE.
SO PLAYGROUND, THE OPEN AREA, THE WALKING TRAILS, THAT WOULD BE THE FOLKS THAT LIVE HERE AS WELL AS THE, THE NEIGHBORS AROUND TOO.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE EXACT INTENT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
THAT IS WHAT THE ORIGINAL LEASE WAS ALL ABOUT, I BELIEVE.
ANY QUESTIONS? THIS IS JUST A DISCUSSION, RIGHT? YES.
THANK YOU FOR COMING TO US THIS WAY.
WE CAN TALK EVERYTHING THROUGH.
HAVE YOU GUYS TALKED TO THE BOARD OF THE MEADOWS? JUST TO, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE SO CLOSE AND IT'S GONNA BE LOUD AND IT'S GONNA BE IT DO IT THE RIGHT WAY.
YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY GET THEM TO BUY IN ON.
UM, THAT'S JUST MY SUGGESTION, THAT'S ALL.
[NEW BUSINESS (ACTION/DISCUSSION ITEMS)]
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NEXT WE MOVE INTO NEW BUSINESS AND, UH, OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO DECIDE WHETHER WE WANT TO HAVE A, UH, HEARING ON THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT FOR 200 400 CANVAS DRIVE.UM, I'M GEORGE ELER AND I REPRESENT CLOVIS MEDICAL INC.
AND THE APPLICATION FOR ZONING TAX AMENDMENT WITH ME TONIGHT.
OR DAVID PAUL, WHO'S THE EXECUTIVE CHAIRMAN AND ONE OF THE FOUNDERS OF GLOBUS AND PAUL TUY FROM CB RICHARD ELLIS, WHO HAS WORKED WITH GLOBUS FOR MANY YEARS, UH, AS THEY HAVE GROWN THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
UH, LOBI WAS FOUNDED BY A GROUP OF LOCAL INDIVIDUALS 22 YEARS AGO IN PHOENIXVILLE, AND THEIR FIRST OFFICE WAS IN OAKS.
SINCE THEN, IT HAS GROWN TO BE A PUBLICLY TRADED COMPANY WITH ITS WORLD HEADQUARTERS IN AUDUBON, WHERE IT OCCUPIES THREE BUILDINGS.
IT HAS BUILDINGS IN LIMERICK AND THROUGHOUT THE US AND NEW JERSEY, CALIFORNIA, TEXAS AND MASSACHUSETTS.
GLOBUS HAS LOCATIONS IN JAPAN, THE NETHERLANDS, SWITZERLAND, THE UK AND GERMANY WITH 95% OF THEIR PRODUCTS MADE IN THE US.
THEY WANT TO CONTINUE THIS EXPANSION AND THEIR GOAL IS TO DO THAT IN THIS AREA IN PENNSYLVANIA WHERE THEY STARTED OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS, THEY WOULD ANTICIPATE ADDING 200 JOBS IN THEIR CAMPUS DRIVE LOCATION.
AND, UM, I WILL NOTE THAT THERE IS NO, WE'RE NOT REQUESTING ANY LAND DEVELOPMENT.
IT IS JUST AN AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING, UH, UH, ZONING CODE TO ALLOW THEM TO, TO MOVE INTO THIS BUILDING, THESE TWO BUILDINGS.
SO AT, IN A SUMMARY OF THE ZONING AMENDMENT, UH, FIRST THERE WOULD BE A NEW DEFINITION WHICH WOULD DEFINE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT FACILITY TO THIS WOULD ALLOW THEM TO CARRY OUT THEIR WORK OF, UH, SPINE AND ORTHOPEDIC AND OTHER MEDICAL WORK.
UM, THEN THERE WOULD BE A, UM, AMENDMENT TO THE IO TWO DISTRICT TO SHOW THAT ITS USES, UH, WOULD COMPATIBLE WITH THOSE IN THE IO ONE DISTRICT.
AND THEN ALLOW THE SPECIFIC USES IN THE, UM, IO TWO DISTRICT, UH, THE LABORATORY AND MANUFACTURER AND PACKAGING OF PHARMACEUTICALS AND HEALTHCARE PRODUCTS.
BOTH OF THOSE ARE ALREADY PERMITTED IN THE IO ONE DISTRICT AND THEN THE MANUFACTURER AND ASSEMBLY OF MEDICAL EQUIPMENT AND ROBOTICS AND SCIENTIFIC EQUIPMENT.
AND THEN A RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT FACILITY, WHICH IS BASED ON THE, UH, ON THE DEF THE NEW DEFINITION.
UM, MY CONCERN IS OVER THE MANUFACTURING PORTION OF THIS.
COULD YOU DESCRIBE THE PRODUCTS YOU'RE GONNA MANUFACTURE AND JUST AT A HIGH LEVEL, THE PROCESS, BUT IN PARTICULAR, I'M INTERESTED IF THERE'S ANY HEATING ELEMENTS INVOLVED IN THE, IN THE MANUFACTURING AND ANY CHEMICALS THAT WOULD BE STORED ON SITE AND USED IN THE MANUFACTURING.
I WOULD ASK, UH, THANK YOU GEORGE.
MY NAME'S DAVID PAUL, THE CHAIRMAN OF CLOVIS.
UH, WE ARE PLANNING ON MAKING BIOTECH PRODUCTS, CELL-BASED AND PROTEIN PRODUCTS NOT EXPECTING, UH, ANY PRODUCTS THAT WE USE.
CHEMICALS, UH, WILL BE TAKEN AWAY JUST LIKE WE DO IN OUR CURRENT LABS.
NOTHING WILL GO INTO THE GROUND, UH, UNLESS IT'S NEUTRALIZED.
I, I, I HAD, I THOUGHT, UH, I GUESS I WAS, I MISUNDERSTOOD.
I THOUGHT THESE WERE GONNA BE DEVICES.
I WAS THINKING ABOUT IMPLANT DEVICES OR SPLINT, YOU KNOW, I, BUT IT'S GOING TO ACTUALLY BE SOME TYPE OF PRODUCT THAT PEOPLE PROTEINS AND HEMOSTASIS PRODUCTS TO STOP BLOOD FLOW.
SO THAT IS A CHEMICAL PROCESS PRIMARILY.
IT'S A, YES, IT'S A BIOLOGICAL BIOTECH PROCESS.
WHAT ARE THE SCALE, WHAT SCALE ARE YOU WORKING AT? LIKE HOW LARGE? SO AT THIS POINT WE ARE LOOKING AT, UH, HAVING TANKS THAT ARE UP TO 2000 LITERS.
SO YOU'RE NOT CURRENT, YOU ARE CURRENTLY DOING THIS TYPE OF WORK WHERE THIS WHOLE THING IS TO CHANGE IT SO THAT YOU CAN, WE'RE DOING SOME TYPE OF BIOLOGIC WORK RIGHT NOW
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IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS.WE NOW WANT TO EXPAND THAT SPACE TO MAKE THESE PRODUCTS IN, IN PENNSYLVANIA.
AND WE ARE DEVELOPING THIS HEMOSTASIS PRODUCT FOR PRIMARILY FOR SEVERE WOUND BLEEDING TO STOP BLEEDING, ESPECIALLY IN THE BATTLEFIELD.
AND MY OTHER QUESTION, IF WE CHANGED CHANGE TO IO TWO, AND THIS IS MORE OF A QUESTION FOR JEFF, WOULD IT AFFECT OTHER THINGS IN THE TOWNSHIP OR WOULD WE DO NO, THE ONLY PORTION OF PROPERTY, THE ONLY PROPERTY IN THE TOWNSHIP ZONED IO TWO IS EVERYTHING SOUTH OF OUR KOHLER ROAD TO 4 22 BETWEEN TROUTMAN 2 29.
SO IT'S REALLY THE PROVIDENCE CORPORATE CENTER IS THE ONLY THING THAT'S LEFT IN THE TOWNSHIP.
THAT'S IO TWO, THE FORMER QUEST BUILDING WAS IO TWO.
WE'VE CHANGED THAT TO CRSC TO ACCOMMODATE THE, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT SITE.
SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE, WHICH IS THE FORMER IRON MOUNTAIN BUILDING, THE TWO HOTELS, 200, 400 CAMPUS DRIVE AND THE BUILDINGS ON, I THINK THERE'S FOUR BUILDINGS ON SPRINGHOUSE DRIVE, WHICH IS THE FIRST RIGHT AS YOU COME IN OFF OF 29, THOSE, THAT'S THE ONLY, AND MADISON APARTMENTS WOULD BE THE ONLY PROPERTY AFFECTED BY THIS.
AND THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, THE ONLY PROPERTY THAT YOU COULD DO THIS CHANGE ON WOULD BE THIS PROPERTY WILL, IF YOU BRING ANY JOBS TO THE AREA, EXPECT AT LEAST 200 TO 250 JOBS IN THE FIRST TWO, THREE YEARS.
AND WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY STRANGE CHANGES TO THE OUTSIDE STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING.
IT'S JUST ALL INTERIOR, NONE, NO CHANGES EXPECTED TO THE OUTSIDE.
AND JEFF, WHEN THEY SUBMIT THEIR PLANS FOR THEIR, UH, REMODELING INSIDE TO DO THIS PROCESS, OUR FIRE MARSHAL GET YES, THE BUILDING CODE OFFICIAL AND THE FIRE MARSHAL AND, AND HIS OFFICE WILL REVIEW ALL OF THEIR, THEIR BUILDING PLANS.
AND THEN WHEN YOU DISCHARGE THIS OR YOU GET RID OF WHATEVER WASTE, HOW DOES THAT GET HANDLED? GENERALLY, WE, UH, DISPOSE OF SHARPS WHERE SHARP, A COMPANY WILL COME AND PICK UP ANY SHARP INSTRUMENTS THAT, UH, HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH BIOLOGICS.
IF IT'S, UM, ANYTHING ELSE WILL HAVE, UM, EFFLUENCE, WE'LL HAVE A UTILIZATION.
NOTHING WILL GO DOWN THE DRAINS, UH, THAT IS OF A BIOHAZARD OR ANY, ANY CHEMICALS WILL BE DISPOSED OF SEPARATELY.
ARE, ARE THESE PRODUCTS CUSTOMIZED PER PATIENT? IN OTHER WORDS, YOU GET A SAMPLE OF THE PATIENT'S TISSUE, BLOOD, WHATEVER, OR IS THIS, OR ARE THESE MORE FOR ANYBODY? THIS IS FOR ANYBODY TO USE.
SO YOU'RE NOT CUSTOMIZING TO SPECIFIC? NO.
AND WHO'S THE END CLIENT? THE END USER WILL BE HOSPITALS.
AND FOR THE HEMOSTASIS PRODUCT IT'LL BE ALSO, UH, OUR ARMED FORCES.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, I I, I HAVE NO CONCERNS AT ALL.
UM, SO JUST SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THE MOTION THAT BEFORE US TONIGHT, THE MATTER BEFORE US IS WHETHER WE WANT TO HAVE A HEARING ON THIS TEXT AMENDMENT.
AND IT WILL EITHER OCCUR ON THE 21ST OR THE 22ND.
IF WE GET IN A CERTAIN NUMBER OF HEARINGS TONIGHT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SEPARATE MEETING ON THE 22ND.
SO, BUT THIS IS JUST, WE'RE NOT APPROVING ANYTHING TONIGHT.
WE'RE JUST, UH, GOING TO DECIDE WHETHER WE WANT TO HAVE A HEARING OR NOT.
UM, IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, I I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO SET A DATE AND AUTHORIZE ADVERTISEMENTS FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON A ZONING TAX AMENDMENT FOR 200 400 CAMPUS DRIVE.
IS THAT TO SAY THE DATE IN THE MOTION OR NO? NO.
'CAUSE WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE'RE DONE TONIGHT.
TODAY'S GONNA BE, SO IT'S JUST A, IT'S A MATTER OF MAKING THE MEETING WAY TOO LONG.
IF WE HAVE ALL OF THESE, UH, NEXT MONTH.
UM, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
UH, OUR NEXT DOOR OF BUSINESS, UH, ITEM SIX OR ITEM FIVE IS CONSIDERED, UH, SETTING A DATE AND AUTHORIZING ADVERTISEMENT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT FOR 5 92 SOUTH MENNONITE ROAD.
UH, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
UH, I DO HAVE WITH ME THIS EVENING TIM WOODROW IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM.
HE'S THE ENGINEER FOR THIS PARTICULAR
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PROJECT AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES.UM, THERE ARE TWO PIECES TO THIS.
WE'RE HERE TONIGHT, UH, ASKING FOR THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT TO ALLOW FOR AN ENTERTAINMENT USE OF THIS PROPERTY.
UM, BUT WE DO ALSO DO NOT WANT TO HIDE THE BALL.
THERE'S ANOTHER PIECE TO THIS, UM, WHICH IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO HAVE A, UM, TO HAVE ANOTHER USE ON THIS PROPERTY AS WELL.
PICKLEBALL, THAT'S NOT BEFORE YOU AT ALL THIS EVENING.
I JUST DON'T WANT TO IN ANY WAY HIDE THE BALL.
UM, WHAT WE ARE, WE ARE HERE FOR THIS EVENING IS THIS AGRI TEAM ORDINANCE.
WE'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH YOUR, UH, STAFF AND SOLICITOR.
UH, THE PARCEL ITSELF IS ABOUT A 12 ACRE PIECE.
UM, THERE IS A OLD BANK BARN ON THE PROPERTY BUILT AROUND 1900.
UM, WE'D LIKE TO PRESERVE SOME OF THE AGRICULTURAL NATURE OF THIS PROPERTY BY THE ORDINANCE.
UM, SO, UH, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TEXT OF THE ORDINANCE ITSELF, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE R ONE DISTRICT.
WE ARE ASKING FOR A CHANGE IN THE TEXT OF THE R ONE ZONING.
UM, WE'D BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS SOME OF THE DETAILS OF THE AG ITSELF.
WE'VE WORKED THROUGH SOME OF THE DETAILS WITH YOUR SOLICITOR.
THERE'S A FEW MORE THINGS THAT I THINK WE DO, DO NEED TO WORK OUT, BUT PRIMARILY ANYTHING THAT WOULD HAPPEN AT THIS PROPERTY IS ALREADY ALLOWED BY SPECIAL EXCEPTION OR BY SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.
UM, THIS JUST STREAMLINES THE PROCESS, UM, AND ALLOWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF, OF WHAT IS A BEAUTIFUL, UM, AGRICULTURAL BUILDING.
YOU, JOE, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.
THERE'S SO MANY JOE IN MY LIFE.
AND YOU'RE WORKING WITH ZACHY.
I KNOW THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL YES, SIR.
UM, I WAS ACTUALLY ABLE TO COME TO LOU AND LOGAN'S MEETING LAST SEPTEMBER AND SAW THE RENDERINGS OF THIS, UH, YOU DESCRIBED IT AS A BANK BARN.
THE ACTUAL UPPER PART OF THE BARN, I THINK IS WHAT'S CALLED A GOTHIC STYLE.
AND, UH, I, I'M, I'M AS EXCITED ABOUT OPENING UP THE BONES OF THAT AND SHOWING OFF THAT OLD BARN IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE.
UM, WHERE, WHERE WOULD THE PARKING BE FOR ALL THE EVENTS THAT YOU LISTED BELOW? THE, THE PARK WOULD BE ON SITE.
UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO WORK THROUGH IN A LAND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
THIS TEXT AMENDMENT ALLOWS US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PROCESS.
WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN NOW IS A PROPOSED KIND OF LAND DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE.
AND WHERE'S THE BARN? THE, THE BARN IS AT THE FRONT THAT THE CURSOR IS ON THE BARN RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO IT'S VERY CLOSE TO MENNONITE ROAD AND THERE'S OTHER BUILDINGS.
WHAT ARE SIGNATURE? ONE IS RESIDENTIAL.
SO YEAH, THERE IS A, THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL USE ON THE SITE TODAY.
UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OUTBUILDINGS AS WELL.
I CALL THEM, UH, OLD GARAGES FOR THE MOST PART.
UM, BUT THERE IS THE MANOR HOUSE AS WELL.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE TENNIS COURTS THAT ARE ALSO PICKLEBALL COURTS THAT ARE EXISTING TODAY.
THEY'RE FOR PRIVATE USE TODAY.
UM, AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO, LIKE I SAID, AS PART OF THAT LAND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS BY SPECIAL EXCEPTION, TO GO THROUGH THAT PICKLEBALL CLUB USE, WHICH AGAIN IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION IN THE R ONE ZONING AS IT IS TODAY.
WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY CHANGE FOR THAT PURPOSE.
SO WHEN WE, LET'S SAY YOU GO THROUGH THIS AND IT GOES THROUGH FOR ALL THE BULLETS HERE, DO YOU HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE PICKLE BALL? YES, WE, THERE'S A SPECIAL EXCEPTION PROCESS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
UM, WE ARE PROPOSING THE TEXT OF THIS ORDINANCE TO REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS.
SO WE'D KIND OF BE IN TWO PLACES.
SO THIS IS NOT JUST FOR THIS PROPERTY, RIGHT.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT ALL PROPERTIES WOULD BE IMPACTED RIGHT NOW? BY MY ESTIMATION, THERE WOULD BE THREE PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THIS, THIS PROPERTY, THE RAIDER FARM.
AND I'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH MR. RAIDER ABOUT IT, SHOWED HER THE ORDINANCE AND SHE'S COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
WE HAD A FEW TWEAKS WITH IT AND I'M WORKING WITH ZACH ON THOSE.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S THE PROPERTY OF WARTMAN AND TOWNSHIP LINE THAT IS AN AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY.
UM, I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO REACH OUT TO THEM YET.
THEIR OPERATION THERE IS, IS MOSTLY FARMING IN A FARM STAND.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO THE LEVEL OF, OF A RAIDERS.
UM, BUT I WILL MAKE THEM AWARE OF THIS ORDINANCE IF IT MOVES FORWARD TO EXPLAIN HOW IT WOULD IMPACT THEM.
AND THEN, SORRY, WHAT IS IT THIS CURRENTLY ZOOM FOR THAT, WHAT COULD, WHAT COULD BE DONE WITH THE PROPERTY IF WE DIDN'T? IT'S R ONE RESIDENTIAL.
SO YOU, YOU HAVE THE AGRICULTURAL THAT YOU CAN GROW CROPS THERE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE TO THE LEFT ON THE, ON THE SCREEN, THE THREE PROPERTIES, THOSE ARE ALREADY SUBDIVIDED LOTS.
SO THREE HOUSES COULD GO IN THERE, YOU KNOW, AS QUICKLY AS TOMORROW.
REALLY, IF THEY WERE TO PUT PLANS IN THE, THE PROPERTY TO THE RIGHT, UM, I THINK, JOE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, YOU CAN SUBDIVIDE THAT YES.
UM, I'M NOT QUITE SURE THAT SUBDIVISION WOULD WORK, BUT IT IS LARGE ENOUGH FOR MORE THAN ONE HOUSE.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S ABOUT COMPARABLE TO THE SAME SIZE AS THE, THE THREE HOUSE LOTS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE.
AND SO THE CHANGE TO THE, THIS ZONING, WOULD THAT TAKE OUT AWAY, WOULD IT STILL R
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WOULD STILL BE R ONE.IT WOULD STILL BE R ONE, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE THIS USE AND THIS USE WOULD BE IN PLACE SO THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION LAND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS TO REINSTITUTE BACK TO RESIDENTIAL.
I GUESS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, HOUSE, SO QUESTION RATER PROPERTY, HOW IS THAT AFFECTING THEM BY CHANGING IT? WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE CHANGES? ACTUALLY VERY LITTLE.
UM, WHAT IT DOES, IT SORT OF CODIFIES WHAT THEY ALREADY DO THERE.
IN, IN MY, AS THE ZONING OFFICER, I KIND OF TREAT THEM AS EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY.
THEY'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR SO LONG.
EVEN BEFORE IT WAS THE RAIDER WHEN IT WAS THE PREVIOUS OWNERS, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE DOING THOSE SAME EVENTS THERE FOR SO LONG.
THE RAIDERS HAVE HAVE, I DON'T KNOW, MODERNIZED SOME OF THEM A LITTLE BIT.
BUT GENERALLY THEY'VE BEEN DOING THE SAME TYPE OF EVENTS THERE.
THE TREE PICKING, THE TREE, CUTTING THE TREE, TRIMMING, YOU KNOW, SOME EVENTS AT NIGHT, THE PUMPKIN PICKING THE CORN MAZE, THE, THE, UM, THE, THE HAY RIDES.
THEY'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR SO LONG THAT IT REALLY JUST, IT'S NONCONFORMITY.
I'M, I'M JUST KIND OF CODIFYING WHAT THEY CAN DO THERE.
AND WE WE'RE EXPANDING IT A LITTLE BIT.
MRS. RADER TALKED ABOUT, UM, AGRICULTURAL THEME PLAY AREAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, SHE'S LIKE A TOT LOT THAT SHE WANTS TO PUT IN THAT THAT'S AGRICULTURAL THEMED.
AND SO WE'VE WORKED WITH THAT AND, AND SHE'S WORKING WITH SUE A LOT ON, ON WHAT THEY DO THERE.
YOU KNOW, AS, AS, AS MR. CLEMON SAID, IT REALLY IS CODIFYING AND, AND CRYSTALLIZING WHAT SPECIAL EVENTS WE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, ALREADY HAPPENED AT, AT A LOT OF THESE THINGS.
AND IF, IF I COULD JUST JUMP IN COURT, JEFF.
UM, I, I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT IN TERMS OF, IN PENNSYLVANIA, AGRICULTURAL USES HAVE A LOT OF PROTECTIONS UNDER SOMETHING CALLED THE RIGHT TO FARM ACT.
ESSENTIALLY IT SAYS THAT DOING AGRICULTURAL ON YOUR PROPERTY, IF YOU MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA IN TERMS OF THE SIZE OF YOUR OPERATION OR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU MAKE, YOU'RE PERMITTED TO DO CERTAIN ACTIVITIES THAT ALLOW YOU TO ESSENTIALLY MAKE SOME EXTRA MONEY TO HELP KEEP YOUR OPERATION GOING.
SO THAT'S THIS TYPE OF AGRI TYPE USE.
SO THEORETICALLY, UM, ANY PROPERTY THAT'S BEING FARMED OR THAT'S BEING USED FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES CAN KIND OF TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE, UM, THOSE THINGS WITHIN THE STATUTE TO ALLOW THEM TO SELL PRODUCTS, TO HAVE EVENTS TO BASICALLY GENERATE EXTRA INCOME.
AND I THINK THAT THIS ORDINANCE, IN A LOT OF WAYS IS KIND OF CODIFYING IT AND CREATING A, A PROCESS BY WHICH THE BOARD CAN KIND OF HAVE THESE PROJECTS COME IN, REVIEW THEM, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE APPROPRIATE CONDITIONS AND REQUIREMENTS AND SAFEGUARDS PUT IN PLACE FOR THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY, FOR NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS, FOR THE TOWNSHIP IN GENERAL, TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT CARRYING ANY BURDENS FOR THOSE, THOSE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES THAT REALLY SHOULD BE BORNE MORE BY THE PROPERTY OWNER.
SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THIS ZONING AMENDMENT, IF YOU GUYS AGREE TO HAVE A HEARING ON THE ZONING AMENDMENT, YOU'LL HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE.
ONCE IT'S IN FINAL FORM AT THE HEARING, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO, MR. CLEMENT WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION IF YOU APPROVE IT, THEY'LL THEN HAVE TO COME BACK IN AND PRESENT FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL.
SO THERE ARE GONNA BE LOTS OF PLACES ALONG THE PROCESS WHERE YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO KIND OF BUILD IN THOSE SAFEGUARDS AND MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THIS IS, IS SAFE AND REASONABLE FOR RESIDENTS, FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, FOR THE TOWNSHIP.
THIS WILL BE A FULL LAND DEVELOPMENT THE SIZE OF THIS PROJECT, RIGHT? OH, ABSOLUTELY.
UH, DID YOU FORGET MY FRIENDS, THE RENTERS DOWN THE SECOND HALF? I KNOW I WAS THINKING, OH, I'M SORRY.
ANYTHING TO HARM THEM? NO, NO.
AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THINKING THROUGH WHAT, AGAIN, WHAT THIS SAYS IS IT ALLOWS THEM TO CONTINUE THE USES THEY'RE DOING.
IF THEY WANT TO EXPAND THOSE USES, THEN IT GIVES THE BOARD A CHANCE TO, YOU KNOW, WEIGH IN TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S THE PROPER SAFETY AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO YES, I DID FORGET THE RENTERS, WHICH ARE A STONES THROW FROM MY HOUSE.
YOU HAVE ANY NEIGHBORS SPEAK? UH, WE'RE JUST DECIDING WHETHER WE'RE GONNA HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE HEARING ON THIS TAX AMENDMENT.
UH, THE ZONING, THE HEARING ON ADOPTING THE ZONING AMENDMENT.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHAT'S, ALRIGHT.
I, I'LL GRANT YOU THREE MINUTES.
UH, YOU SHOULD COME UP HERE AND PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND I THINK I ALSO WANT TO JUST REITERATE THAT PICKLE BALL IS NOT BEING DISCUSSED THIS EVENING.
IT'S NOT ON THE TABLE, IT'S NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION.
HI, I AM NANCY CROCKETT AND I WAS HERE A WEEK AND A HALF AGO TO SPEAK ABOUT PARTICULARLY THE PICKLEBALL, NOISE POLLUTION, UH, THAT WOULD BE GENERATED FROM ALL THOSE PICKLEBALL COURTS.
UM, BUT I DID WANNA STRESS THAT WE
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AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE AGAINST THE WHOLE AG RETAIN, UM, ZONING CHANGE.UM, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU RECEIVED THE EMAIL TODAY.
THE RESIDENTS HAVE PUT TOGETHER A PETITION AGAINST THIS.
UM, SO FAR WE HAVE 69 SIGNATURES AND THIS HAS JUST BEEN IN A DAY.
UM, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THIS WOULD IMPACT AT LEAST THREE BLOCKS OUT IN EVERY DIRECTION.
UM, WE FEEL THAT NOT ENOUGH OF THE NEIGHBORS ARE AWARE OF, UH, WHAT THE IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL BE.
UM, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS 200 PERSON EVENT MENU, UH, VENUE THAT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, BEING PROPOSED HERE, THIS IS GONNA BE BRING A LOT OF TRAFFIC INTO OUR SMALL COMMUNITY, UM, AS WELL AS THE AGRI AND PICKLEBALL.
UM, IF ALL OF THIS WERE TO GO THROUGH, UM, WE'RE STRONGLY OPPOSED TO IT.
I HAVE THE, UH, PETITION FOR YOU WITH THE SIGNATURES.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH THAT.
I HAVE A STUDY HERE ABOUT THE HEALTH CONCERNS FROM, UH, RESIDENTS WHO HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, EXPOSED TO THE PICKLE BOWL, UM, NOISE, IT'S NOISE POLLUTION.
UH, A LOT OF TESTIMONIALS FOR YOU TO GO THROUGH.
UM, THERE'S BEEN NOISE ORDINANCES THAT HAVE COME ABOUT BECAUSE OF VENUES AND, UH, PICKLEBALL, UH, COURTS LIKE THIS BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN TO SUCH A DISRUPTION TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THEY ARE, UM, SURROUNDING.
AND, UM, ALSO ON OUR PETITION, I WON'T READ THROUGH THE WHOLE THING SINCE I ONLY HAVE THREE MINUTES TONIGHT.
ARE ALL THE SIGNATORIES, UH, RESIDENTS OF UPPER PROVIDENCE? UM, MOST OF THEM, YES.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAND THAT TO, TO MR. GRACE AS WELL AS YOUR TESTIMONIALS.
I WANT TO ASK YOU, HAVE YOU ACTUALLY GONE AND SEEN A PICK A BALL GAME, NOT HAD AN OUTDOORS COURT? YES.
'CAUSE IN LIMERICK THEY JUST OPENED UP FOUR COURTS AND TWO TENNIS COURTS.
AND I WAS UP THERE TWICE LAST WEEK 'CAUSE I WANTED TO HEAR FOR MYSELF OKAY, WHAT THE NOISE WAS LIKE.
AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU, I WAS 150 FEET AWAY.
AND WHEN YOU SLIP MUCH FURTHER THAN THAT, IT WAS BASICALLY UNHIRABLE.
AND THAT WAS WITH ABSOLUTELY NO SOUND ABATEMENT AT ALL.
AND I HAVE SEEN THE PLANS THAT THAT, UH, HTC HAS PUT IN.
THEY'RE GONNA DO SOUND ABATEMENT ON THEIR FENCES AS WELL AS A VEGETATIVE BUFFER AND BETWEEN THE OUTDOOR COURT AND YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD WILL ACTUALLY BE A BUILDING THAT BUFFERS THE, THAT THE SOUND.
WELL, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF IT SOUNDS LIKE TESTIMONIALS.
UM, YOU KNOW, TO THE CONTRARY TO THAT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS WILL BE RIGHT IN MY BACKYARD, UH, EARLY MORNING TILL LATE AT NIGHT WITH THE LIGHT POLLUTION, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL OF THESE COURTS.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S 900 POPS PER HOUR PER COURT.
UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PROPOSING 12 OUTDOOR COURTS.
MAYBE YOU COULD, UM, I, I KNOW WE HEARD YOUR TESTIMONY LAST TIME.
WE'RE KIND OF GETTING INTO WHAT PICKLEBALL IS AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE AMPLE OPPORTUNITY AND YOU WON'T BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES AT THE ZONING HEARING BOARD AND YOU'LL MAKE YOUR CASE FOR THEM BECAUSE THIS BOARD DOES NOT MAKE THAT DECISION ON PICKLEBALL.
THEY, IT IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
SO IT GOES TO THE ZONING HEARING BOARD AND IT IS SOLELY THEIR DECISION.
SO I I I CAN HAND OUT, I CAN TAKE ALL OF YOUR PAPERWORK.
THEN I'LL HAPPILY TO SCAN IT IN AND GIVE IT TO EVERYBODY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ALL HAVE COPIES OF IT.
BUT I, I DON'T WANT THIS TO RIGHT.
AND AGAIN, OUR PETITION ISN'T ABOUT PICKLEBALL, THIS IS ABOUT THE AG RETAIN AND, AND THAT, AND THAT'S GREAT.
AND I DIDN'T, I WASN'T ON THE EMAIL, SO I HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
BUT, UM, IF YOU WANNA GIVE IT TO ME, I CAN MAKE SURE THAT IT GETS DISTRIBUTED TO EVERYBODY UP HERE.
UM, AGAIN, I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES AS WELL.
I DIDN'T GET TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT LAST NIGHT, I MEAN LAST WEEK.
BUT THEY, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, UH, DETERMINED, UM, I HAVE IT IN MY PAPERWORK, BUT THERE IS A, A REFERENCE THAT I CAN GIVE YOU FOR THAT.
BUT IT COULD BE UP TO A 20% PROPERTY VALUE LOSS FOR THE RESIDENTS, UH, RIGHT AROUND THIS PROPERTY, UH, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, A GREAT LOSS TO US.
I LIVE ON HIDDEN VALLEY, SO I'M ONLY MAYBE 50 MORE FEET AWAY FROM THIS THAN YOU'VE ALREADY.
CAN I ASK, HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT LIKE,
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WHAT IS OUR NOISE ORDERING OR COORDINATE WHATEVER YOU PREFER, OR THE TOWNSHIP HAS A NOISE ORDINANCE WITH VARIOUS REQUIREMENTS, HOW LOUD SOUNDS CAN BE NOISE ORDINANCES ARE, ARE NOTORIOUSLY DIFFICULT TO FORCE ESSENTIALLY BECAUSE IN ORDER TO ENFORCE THEM, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER HAS TO GO OUT TO THE PROPERTY, WHAT IS GOING ON, HAVE A SPECIAL, UH, REMEMBER WHAT IT'S CALLED, BUT HAVE A SPECIAL MACHINE THAT CAN TAKE A READING OF THE SOUND AT THAT TIME AT THE PROPERTY LINE TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S EXCEEDING THAT AMOUNT.UM, IT'S IS A CHALLENGING THING TO ENFORCE
SO I, I THINK THAT, UM, THERE ARE SPECIAL EVENT, THERE IS A SPECIAL EVENT ORDINANCE FOR THE TOWNSHIP THAT DOES PERMIT LARGER EVENTS COME IN.
THEY CAN DO HEARINGS, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE EVENTS WOULD BE PERMITTED ON THE PROPERTY THROUGH THAT SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT ORDINANCE.
UM, ESSENTIALLY THIS CONDITIONAL USE WOULD SAY THAT THEY DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS EVERY TIME THEY WANTED TO COME IN.
BUT I DO THINK THAT SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT JOE AND I HAVE HAD ARE BUILDING IN SOME OF THE SAME SAFEGUARDS THAT ARE IN THE SPECIAL PERMIT ORDINANCE INTO THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS SO THAT THE BOARD CAN CONSIDER THOSE THINGS AND CAN MAKE SURE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU IMPOSE IF YOU WERE TO GRANT CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL OR THE THINGS YOU'RE LOOKING AT AND HAVING A CONDITION TO USE HEARING WOULD BE, UH, THINGS THAT WOULD'VE BEEN LOOKED AT IF THEY WERE TO COME IN FOR A SPECIAL EVENT.
SO YEAH, IT WAS MOSTLY MARK, LIKE NOT, NOT REALLY A PICKLEBALL, JUST LIKE THE, LIKE A WEDDING IN OR VANS.
AND IF THERE'S A CUTOFF TIME THAT WE WOULD HAVE, AND I THINK THAT, UM, TO THE EXTENT YOU HAD A CONDITIONAL USE HEARING DURING THAT HEARING, THEY WOULD'VE THE BURDEN OF PUTTING ON THE EVIDENCE TO BASICALLY SHOW YOU, HEY, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE PUTTING INTO THE ORDINANCE THAT I'VE PUT IN THERE ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE MINIMIZING TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT POSSIBLE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, ANY NOISE GOING OVER ANY NOISE, VIBRATION, ODORS SOUNDS, THEIR SCREENING GARBAGE, UH, AREAS, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY'RE DOING ALL THOSE THINGS IN ORDER TO GET THAT APPROVED.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S MAKING SURE THAT THOSE SAFEGUARDS ARE IN PLACE SO THAT THE RESIDENTS AREN'T GONNA BE AFFECTED BY IT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA HEAR IT IF THERE IS A PROBLEM, RIGHT? SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID THOSE PROBLEMS AS MUCH AS WE CAN ON THE FRONT END SO THAT YOU'RE NOT DEALING WITH THEM ON THE BACK END.
SO IF THEY GRANT THIS HEARING THAT SOMEBODY WE COULD TALK ABOUT DURING THAT HEARING OR THAT'S DIFFERENT.
SO THIS WOULD BE A HEARING JUST TO AMEND THE ZONING ORDINANCE BASICALLY TO SAY, IS THE LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE SUFFICIENT? ARE THERE ENOUGH, UH, THINGS IN THERE THAT ARE, THAT ALLOW YOU TO IMPOSE APPROPRIATE CONDITIONS? AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A ACTUAL CONDITIONAL USE HEARING WHERE THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD HAVE AN EVIDENTIARY BURDEN TO COME IN, SHOW THAT THEY'RE MEETING ALL THE CRITERIA THAT WE'VE NOW ESTABLISHED IN THE ORDINANCE, AND THEN YOU WOULD'VE THE OPPORTUNITY TO IMPOSE CONDITIONS BASED ON THOSE CRITERIA AND STANDARDS OF MOVEMENT.
SO EVEN, EVEN TO HOST LIKE A WEDDING, YOU HAVE TO COME FOR THAT OR I KNOW, JUST FOR PICKLEBALL.
SO FOR, SO IF, IF, IF THEY WERE TO DO A ONE-OFF EVENT THROUGH THE SPECIAL PERMIT OR, OR THE SPECIAL EVENT ORDINANCE, THEY CAN DO, THEY CAN EITHER DO AN ANNUAL PERMIT WHERE THEY CAN DO FOUR MORE EVENTS AND THERE'S REALLY NO LIMIT TO THE NUMBER OF EVENTS THAT THEY COULD HAVE.
THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO COME IN AND DO AN INDIVIDUAL HEARING BASICALLY AROUND AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR OR EVENT BY EVENT, DEPENDING ON HOW THEY WANTED TO PROCEED.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD'VE TO COME IN, SHOW YOU A PARKING PLAN, SHOW YOU HOW THEY'RE GONNA HANDLE TRAFFIC, UM, THERE WOULD BE ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT YOU'D BE LOOKING AT ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS.
ESSENTIALLY THIS CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS WOULD JUST TAKE THAT AND PUT IT ALL ON THE FRONT END SO THAT YOU WOULD MAKE THAT APPROVAL.
NOW LOOK AT ALL THESE THINGS, MAKE, IMPOSE THOSE CONDITIONS AND THEN THEY WOULD, THEY WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO COME BACK EVERY TIME TO GET THAT SPECIAL EVENT.
YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THE SPECIAL EVENTS? IS IT PRIMARILY A WEDDING VENUE? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING? NOT NECESSARILY.
UH, IT IS JUST A, A VENUE IN GENERAL.
UH, THE BANK BAR, THE BARN, UH, HAD AT ONE TIME IN A PRIOR ITERATION BEEN USED AS A SQUARE DANCING COMPETITION FACILITY.
UM, IT'S BEEN QUITE A FEW YEARS, BUT THERE WAS STILL A MICROPHONE STAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE UPSTAIRS OF THAT BARN.
UM, SO I, I THINK THAT THE IDEA IS TO BE ABLE TO USE THIS FACILITY, UM, FOR A VARIETY OF EVENTS, NOT PARTICULARLY, UM, JUST GEARED TOWARDS WEDDINGS BECAUSE PARKING I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT IF YOU WEDDINGS,
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THERE'S TALKING A LOT OF CARS AND THEN A LOT OF NOISE.THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN TO ME, CHILDREN AROUND THERE WHERE PEOPLE ARE DRINKING
UM, AND WE HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PLAN DOES SUFFICIENTLY PARK OUT THE, THE PREMISES AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, I JUST, I THINK WE GOT CONSTANTLY, UM, YOU KNOW, REGARDED WITH, YOU KNOW, NO MORE DEVELOPMENT.
SO I FEEL LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT WE COULD PUT HERE THAT'S NOT MORE HOUSES.
UM, I THINK IF WE HAVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND MAKE SURE LIKE WE, YOU KNOW, CAN CONTROL THEIR WAYS, EVERYONE, WELL WHAT WE'RE DECIDING ON HERE IS WHETHER TO GRANT A HEARING WHERE THEY, LIKE I SAID, ALL OF THE, THE EVIDENTIARY BURDEN WILL BE ON THEM THEN AT THAT POINT AND SWORN TESTIMONY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
SO, UM, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
ALRIGHT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SET A DATE AND AUTHORIZE ADVERTISEMENTS FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT FOR 5 9 2 SOUTH MENNONITE ROAD.
I'LL, ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALRIGHT, UH, OUR NEXT ITEM IS NUMBER SIX.
CONSIDER SETTING A DATE AUTHORIZING ADVERTISEMENT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT FOR LENAR DEVELOPERS AT 1000 CAMPUS DRIVE.
AGAIN, ALLISON ZA ON BEHALF OF LENAR.
UM, I KNOW THIS BOARD HAS SEEN US ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION TO TALK ABOUT 1000 CAMPUS DRIVE WITH ME THIS EVENING IS MIKE BROWN FROM
BUT I CAN WAIT A MINUTE IF YOU'D LIKE, WHILE IT SHALL, SHALL I PROCEED OR, OH YEAH, GO AHEAD.
I KNOW THERE WERE A LOT OF FOLKS.
SO, UM, UM, SO AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN HERE A COUPLE OF TIMES ABOUT THIS SITE.
YOU HEARD ABOUT 200 400 CAMPUS DRIVE EARLIER TONIGHT.
AT THE OTHER TIMES WE WERE HERE PRESENTING TO YOU, UM, THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THAT PROPERTY WOULD BE USED FOR.
WOULD THAT PLAY INTO ANY PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE ON THIS SITE? UM, AS I THINK THE BOARD IS AWARE, THE SITE IS ALSO ZONED IO TWO DISTRICT, UM, AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO, UH, ADD A RESIDENTIAL, ANOTHER RESIDENTIAL USE GROUP TO THE IO TWO DISTRICT IN ORDER TO ALLOW, UH, REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE, WHICH CURRENTLY CONTAINS AN EXISTING VACANT OFFICE BUILDING.
UM, THE SITE PLAN THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME SITE PLAN AS YOU SAW PREVIOUSLY, UM, BUT WE WANTED TO COME BACK TONIGHT MORE FORMALLY, PUT SOMETHING FORMAL IN FRONT OF YOU IN TERMS OF WHAT A PROPOSAL WOULD ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE FROM A A ZONING TEXT PERSPECTIVE, UM, AND TRY TO GET ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK FROM YOU, UM, AS TO WHETHER THIS IS SOMETHING, UM, THAT YOU WOULD WANNA ENTERTAIN IN THIS DISTRICT AND ON THIS SITE.
UM, JUST TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY, THIS PARTICULAR PLAN THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU, UM, HAS A MIX OF AGE TARGETED 36 TOWN HOMES THAT WOULD BE AGE TARGETED AS WELL AS 84 STACKED TOWN HOMES.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S THE NUMBER OF UNITS, NOT THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS, UM, FOR A TOTAL OF 120 UNITS ON THE SITE.
UM, THIS PLAN WAS DEVELOPED BASED ON FEEDBACK THAT WE HAD RECEIVED PREVIOUSLY.
UM, AND WE'RE REALLY HERE TONIGHT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AND, AND TO GET ADDITIONAL, GET YOUR ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS ABOUT THE PROJECT.
HAS THE UNITS COME DOWN IN NUMBERS SINCE THE LAST TIME? NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
WE HAVEN'T UPDATED, WE HAVEN'T PROVIDED AN A NEW SITE PLAN TO YOU TONIGHT.
UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD NOT SEEN THIS PLAN, SO WE DID PRESENT TO THEM, UM, AT THEIR LAST MEETING, BUT, UM, WE WANTED TO FORMULATE AT LEAST A DRAFT OF AN ORDINANCE AROUND, UH, WHAT WE ARE SHOWING TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
HOWEVER, IF THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIFIC, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD IN MIND FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, WE WOULD WANT TO HEAR THAT TONIGHT.
YEAH, WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS QUITE A BIT AND, UH, AND I'M
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NOT REALLY SURE THAT, UH, OUR, OUR COMMENTS WERE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, BUT YOU SAY THEY WERE, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS, THIS BOARD HAS APPROVED ALMOST A THOUSAND UNITS OF HOUSING IN TOWNSHIP.ALMOST HALF OF THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING HERE.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE TO MAKE THIS AN ALL AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITY WITH SOME AMENITIES ON THE PROPERTY, AND WE HAVE SEVERAL OF THOSE AROUND THE TOWNSHIP THAT YOU COULD MODEL AFTER THAT ARE EXCELLENT COMMUNITIES.
UM, THAT DOESN'T PUT ANY PRESSURE ON OUR SCHOOL, UH, DISTRICT TO, TO HAVE TO BUILD A ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
THAT MAY BE WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO ANYWAY, BUT I, I JUST, THERE'S NOTHING HERE FOR ME ANYWAY THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT WE DON'T ALREADY HAVE LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS OF, UM, SO YEAH, OUR CHALLENGE, I MEAN THE CHALLENGE FOR THE SITE FROM AN AGE RESTRICTED STANDPOINT IS THAT TYPICALLY WHEN YOU'RE DOING A FULL AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITY LIKE WHITE SPRINGS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A MUCH LARGER TRACT AND GREATER DENSITY IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THOSE AMENITIES.
HERE WE WERE TRYING TO BALANCE, UM, YOU KNOW, AN AN ATTRACTIVE, UH, COMMUNITY TO EITHER ENTRY LEVEL HOME BUYERS OR AGE TARGETED WITH THAT MASTER SUITE DOWN, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE THE AREA OR THE ABILITY TO CREATE THAT CRITICAL MASS TO SUPPORT THOSE ADDITIONAL AMENITIES ON THE SITE.
WHAT WAS THE PRICE POINT? YEAH, SPEAK TO THAT.
SO WE'VE GOT THREE DIFFERENT PRODUCT TYPES ON HERE.
UM, AND UH, JUST BY WAY BACKGROUND, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN PROBABLY JUST THIS ITERATION OF THE PLAN, UM, BUT BETWEEN, UH, STAFF MEETINGS AND THE, UH, MEETING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ALSO OUR, OUR OWN INTERNAL EDITS, WE DID INITIALLY START WITH NORTH OF 150, UH, HOME SITES FOR THIS PLAN.
UM, AND WE'VE CHANGED PRODUCT TO TRY TO MEET SOME OF THE NEEDS THAT BOTH WE HAVE AND, UM, THAT THE TOWNSHIP DESIRES.
SO ONE OF THOSE BEING PRICE POINT, RIGHT? SO WITH THE STACKED TOWN HOME PRODUCT THAT WE HAVE IN HERE, UH, WE ARE CURRENTLY SELLING, UM, AT A NEW COMMUNITY IN PHOENIXVILLE, IT, WE HAVE UNITS THERE THAT SOLD IT TO 3 99, UH, PRICE POINT.
SO WE WOULD ANTICIPATE SOMEWHERE IN THE LOW FOUR HUNDREDS FOR OUR LOWER STACKED PRODUCT WITH THE UPPER STACKED BEING IN THE UPPER FOURS AND THEN SOMEWHERE IN THE MID TO UPPER FIVES FOR THE, THE H TARGETED, UH, PRODUCT ON THE, UM, PERIMETER OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, ONE OF THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE HAD THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, WE, WE DID REDUCE THE NUMBER INTERNALLY ALREADY AS WE WERE TRYING TO STICK WITHIN, UM, A CERTAIN IMPERVIOUS CALCULATION.
WE DIDN'T WANT TO GO BEYOND, AND THAT WAS SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE GOT EARLY ON FROM STAFF WAS NOT TO GO BEYOND WHAT WAS INITIALLY APPROVED FOR, UM, THE EXISTING USE.
SO WE TRIED TO FIT WITHIN THE, THE FOOTPRINT THAT WE WERE WORKING WITH, UH, FROM AN IMPERVIOUS STANDPOINT.
UM, AND THEN ALSO ADDITIONALLY TOOK THAT FEEDBACK, UM, FOR THE IMPACT OF SCHOOLS, UM, AND THE ATTAINABLE PRICE POINT.
UH, SO WE THINK THAT THIS PLAN DOES THE BEST JOB OF TAKING THOSE PARTICULAR THINGS INTO ACCOUNT.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND IT MAY NOT HIT ON, UM, EVERY LEVEL, UM, FOR WHAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR.
WE OBVIOUSLY HAD TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, UM, THOSE ITEMS THAT, UH, FOR OUR BUSINESS PLAN IN TERMS OF THE, THE DEMO THAT HAS TO TAKE PLACE ON THIS SITE, UM, IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS, UH, FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE, UM, AS WELL AS THE REDEVELOPMENT IN GENERAL.
SO THAT'S WHY WE, WE LANDED HERE.
AND NOT THAT WE HAVEN'T TAKEN YOUR COMMENTS INTO CONSIDERATION FROM PREVIOUS MEETINGS.
WE THINK THAT WE, WE HAVE TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY, BUT WE DO HAVE CERTAIN CONSTRAINTS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH, UM, FROM A MARKETABILITY STANDPOINT.
SO, AND ACTUAL BUILDINGS, I'M SORRY, NOT UNITS, HOW MANY ACTUAL BUILDINGS? SO IT'D BE 42 OF THE, UM, STACKED PRODUCT.
SO LET'S SAY YOU GET YOUR 84 PLUS THE 36 ON THE PERIMETER OR THE AGE TARGETED.
SO THAT AGE TARGETED PRODUCT THAT YOU SEE AROUND THE PERIMETER, UM, WE'RE SELLING THAT ACTIVELY IN ONE OF OUR, UM, NORTHERN DELAWARE COMMUNITIES THAT IS, IS AN AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITY.
UM, THERE, WE'RE SELLING IT AS A A THREE PACK TOWN HOME HERE.
WE'VE GOT A FEW MORE UNITS IN IN EACH BUILDING.
UM, BUT THAT IS A FIRST FLOOR OWNER SUITE, UM, PRODUCT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IS, IS TARGETED TOWARDS UM, WHAT IS TYPICALLY OUR, OUR AGE RESTRICTED FIRE GARAGES UNDERNEATH THE STACKED HOMES.
SO HERE YOU'LL SEE OUR JACKSON, WHICH IS THE, THE LOWER, UM, TOWN HOME IN THE STACKED PRODUCT.
AND THE GARAGE IS ALLEY LOADED, SO IT'S TO THE REAR YOU CAN SEE AT THE, THE TOP THERE.
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PRINT OFF.AND THEN, UM, THIS IS THE LIVING AREA FOR THE, UH, THAT FIRST FLOOR WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR ENTRY, LIVING ROOM AND KITCHEN ALONG WITH THE POWDER ROOM AND THEN THE FRONT HALF OF THE SECOND FLOOR.
SO THIS AREA HERE IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THAT LOWER UNIT.
SO YOU'VE GOT THE OWNER SUITE WITH A SECONDARY BEDROOM AND TWO BATHS AS WELL AS THE LAUNDRY.
AND THEN THE UPPER UNIT, THE GARAGE STACKS IN RIGHT HERE NEXT TO THE, UH, THE ONE CAR FOR THE FIRST UNIT FLORIDA UNIT IS THE OWNER OF THE CURRENT OWNER OF THE PROPERTY HERE TONIGHT? THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING THAT SITS ON MY PROPERTY TODAY? NO, NOT WITH US TONIGHT.
I'M JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST HEARD THAT HERE, THE, THE DISCUSSION ON THE 200 400 CAMPUS DRIVE, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH MOVING 'EM BACK TO OFFICE, I KNOW THAT COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE GOT CRUSHED DURING COVID, BUT A LOT OF COMPANIES TODAY ARE LOOKING FOR SPACE AND LOOKING TO BRING PEOPLE BACK INTO, YOU KNOW, COLLABORATIVE OFFICE SITUATIONS.
AND I JUST, I MEAN, IS HE, I ASSUME HE'S STILL TRYING TO ACTIVELY LEASE THAT PROPERTY.
I DUNNO WHERE HE HIT HIM OR HIM OR HER HEARD THEM
UM, THEY, THEY DID ACTIVELY MARKET THE PROPERTY, UH, FOR QUITE A LONG TIME BEFORE LENAR AND PUT IT UNDER AGREEMENT.
SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS ACTIVELY MARKETED ORIGINALLY.
I WOULD POINT OUT TOO THAT I UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OF THE SCHOOLS IS A, IS A HOT TOPIC HERE, UM, WITH THIS PARTICULAR STACK PRODUCT.
UM, WE DON'T SIT TYPICALLY SEE A LOT OF SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN IN THOSE UNITS.
UM, I DON'T HAVE, IT'S NOT DATA THAT WE COLLECT THROUGH OUR SALES PROCESS.
SO AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO STAND UP HERE AND TELL YOU THIS IS EXACTLY HOW MANY WE HAD AT STEEL POINT, OR THIS IS HOW MANY WE HAVE AT RIVER POINT, UM, I'M NOT IN A POSITION TO DO THAT.
BUT WE ARE WORKING WITH THE, UM, BOTH UPPER MARION SCHOOL DISTRICT AND PHOENIXVILLE AREA SCHOOL DISTRICT TO TRY TO GET THOSE NUMBERS.
UM, I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS THE BEST USE OF MY TIME, UH, TO SIT OUT AT THE BUS STOP AND COUNT STUDENTS AND ALSO THOUGHT IT'D BE KIND OF CREEPY.
SO, UM, WE STAYED AWAY FROM THAT.
BUT, UH, WE HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THOSE SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND THEIR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENTS TO TRY TO GET A GAUGE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN STAND UP HERE STRAIGHT FACE AND SAY THIS IS AN ACTUAL NUMBER, UH, TO YOU GUYS TO GIVE YOU SOME SORT OF, UM, SOME SORT OF REFERENCE POINT SPRING FORWARD, GIVE YOU A MULTIPLIER AND TELL YOU THAT THEY CAN TELL YOU WHAT THE NUMBER WILL BE, WHAT THEY EXPECT.
AND WE HAVE THAT FROM OUR, UM, OUR IMPACT STUDY, BUT WE WANTED TO GET JUST BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY TAKE THAT BASED OFF OF A, A NUMBER OF, LIKE A BEDROOM COUNT AND BACK INTO IT.
AND WE THOUGHT IT'D BE MORE RELEVANT TO GIVE YOU SOME ACTUAL NUMBERS IF WE CAN WITHIN PRODUCT THAT WE'VE BUILT IN THE LOCAL AREA HERE RECENTLY.
YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? I MEAN, I, I DON'T HATE TOWNHOUSES HERE BASED ON THE LOCATION AND YOU LIVE NEAR 4 22, UM, I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S WEIRD TO HAVE AGE RESTRICTED AND REGULAR USE MIXED TOGETHER BECAUSE I ASSUMED THAT PEOPLE WHO AGE DO THAT, I ASSUME TO NOT HAVE, I DUNNO, I NEVER LOOKED INTO IT.
WELL, I'LL POINT OUT I'M 55 AND I HAVE A 14-YEAR-OLD, I CAN MOVE IN.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S LIKE.
PEOPLE WHO ARE 55 PLUS WOULD HAVE MORE KIDS ALMOST THAN PEOPLE WHO ARE MOVING INTO A TWO BEDROOM HOUSE.
ONE THING I'LL SAY TO THAT IS, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHITE SPRINGS FOR EXAMPLE, OR A, UM, ANOTHER ONE OF OUR LARGER AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITIES WHERE YOU HAVE AN AMENITY, RIGHT? UM, TYPICALLY THOSE FOLKS ARE LOOKING TO BE IN AN AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITY FOR A REASON.
BUT WE DO GET A NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND ALBEIT NOT A LOT, UM, AND I THINK WITH THE LIMITED NUMBER OF HOME SITES WE HAVE HERE THAT WOULD CATER TO THAT BUYER, WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH BEING ABLE TO SELL THOSE AT A, A REASONABLE PACE TO MEET THE NEED HERE.
UM, WE DO GET FOLKS THAT DON'T WANNA BE IN THAT ENVIRONMENT.
THEY STILL WANT TO BE AROUND KIDS.
UM, THEY'RE PRIMARILY LIVING HERE FOR THE LOCATION, THE CONVENIENCE, UM, THOSE FACTORS.
UM, BUT THEY, AND THEY WANNA STAY, YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO THEIR FRIENDS AND FAMILY, LOCAL DOCTORS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, UM, AND AREN'T READY FOR A FULLY AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITY.
UM, AND THIS ALLOWS THEM TO KINDA STAY CLOSE TO HOME, BUT ALSO IT GIVES THEM THE CONVENIENCE OF FIRST FLOOR LIVING, WHICH, UM, WITH, AND ALSO I SHOULD MENTION THAT THEY WON'T HAVE THE EXORBITANT HOA FEES AS IF YOU DID HAVE A POOL AND A CLUBHOUSE AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
SO FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE, IT, YOU KNOW, MAKES SENSE TO SERVE THE FOLKS.
MY, MY ONLY COMMENT I AGREE WITH BILL, IS I LOVE IT.
WE JUST APPROVED SO MUCH DEVELOPMENT
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AND THIS TOWNSHIP, IT'S ALL HERE ABOUT, I GET IT'S A GOOD PLACE TO DO IT BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT OFF THE 4 22.BUT I MEAN, I THINK WE MADE THAT COMMENT PRIOR.
I DON'T SEE THE NUMBERS COMING DOWN.
I MEAN, IS THERE A NUMBER THAT YOU WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH? I MEAN, NOT TO PUT ANYBODY ON THE SPOT, BUT JUST TO GET A FEEL FOR WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU MIGHT BE THINKING.
YOU'RE LIKE, YEAH, WE'RE NOT LIKE, CAN YOU LIKE DO HALF WITH LIKE A COFFEE SHOP OR OTHER LIKE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A STORES OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, MORE WE, WE DID CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, INTERNALLY RETAIL.
IT'S JUST, I THINK IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION WITH THE PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER THERE AND YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH YOU'RE CLOSE TO THAT, YOU'RE JUST OFF THE BEATEN AND PATH TO GET THAT DRIVE BY TRAFFIC TO REALLY MAKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT SUSTAINABLE.
A COMPANY DOWN THE STREET PLUS THE HOTEL IS THERE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NAME OF THE ROAD KIND OF TELLS THE STORY.
IT WAS INTENDED FOR THIS AREA AND THIS I DISTRICT TO BE CORPORATE CAMPUS, NOT TO BE RESIDENTIAL.
AND WE, WHILE WE HAVEN'T ADDED SOME RESIDENTIAL USES TO IT, I, I, I HONESTLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE BUILDING THAT'S THERE LEASED.
IT'S, IT'S FINAL, THE BUILDING.
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.
HOPEFULLY IT'S BEEN KEPT UP INSIDE.
THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING IF THE PERSON OWNS IT IS HERE, IF AND IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN CONTINUING TO LEASE IT.
BUT, UH, SO ANYWAY, UH, I WILL ACCEPT THE MOTION IF SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE ONE AND IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
SET A DATE AND AUTHORIZED ADVERTISEMENTS FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON A ZONING TAX AMENDMENT FOR OUR DEVELOPERS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, BILL? YOU'RE GONNA SAY ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? SOMEONE SAYS SECOND IF I GIVE A SECOND.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
AND YOU SHOULD PUT THESE GUYS ALONG TOP OF WHY DID WE DO THIS? I'M SORRY.
ANYHOW, UH, ED MULLEN, I HERE, UH, REPRESENTING CRESCENT FOUR LLC, THE OWNER OF 600 CRESCENT BOULEVARD.
AND AS YOU MAY RECALL, THIS IS WHERE THE OFF TRACK BEDDING, UH, FACILITY WAS OUR PROPOSED USE.
AND THE REASON FOR GOING TO THE SONY HEARING BOARD IS TO HAVE A USE VARIANCE TO ALLOW A TRACTOR SUPPLY RETAIL STORE.
WITH ME TONIGHT IS JASON BACH AND SCOTT, WE, WEISS AND SCOTT WILL TELL YOU WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
UH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS REUSE OF THE PROPERTY REQUIRES NO LAND DEVELOPMENT AT ALL.
WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO USE THE BUILDING EXACTLY AS IT IS.
WE MAY NEED A BUILDING PERMIT, A USE AND OCCUPANCY PERMIT.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, UH, IT SHOULD BE AN EASY ADJUSTMENT.
I WOULD POINT OUT TO YOU, WHICH I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF, THAT WE DID APPEAR BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THAT YOU NOT, THAT YOU NOT OPPOSE THIS.
AND I GUESS ZACH, UH, YOU'RE GONNA TELL US THEY WON'T RECOMMEND IT.
YEAH, I, I ACTUALLY DID THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH OKAY.
YEAH, THAT'S WHY I SAID WE SHOULD HAVE HAD YOU GUYS ON FIRST, JUST SO I WANNA UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROBLEM AMONGST US TO HEAR MORE OF THESE IN FRONT OF THE BOARD TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW.
I'M JUST SAYING WE SHOULD HAVE HAD YOU GUYS ON FIRST 'CAUSE I, I KNOW THIS IS GONNA BE PERFORM.
JUST AS QUICK BACKGROUND ON TRACTOR SUPPLY, THEY'RE THE, THEY ARE THE LEADING RURAL LIFESTYLE RETAILER ACROSS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
THEY'RE A FORTUNE 500 COMPANY WITH OVER 50,000 EMPLOYEES.
THEY SERVICE, UM, RECREATIONAL FARMERS, RANCHERS, CONTRACTORS, GARDENERS, AND PET ENTHUSIASTS.
UH, THEY ALSO HAVE, UH, OVER 2200 LOCATIONS ACROSS 49 STATES IN THE COUNTRY.
AND THEY'RE RAPIDLY EXPANDING, UH, IN THOSE STORES.
THEY SELL ITEMS THAT INCLUDE, UH, CLOTHING, PET SUPPLIES, UH, TRACTOR EQUIPMENT AND ACCESSORIES, UH, GARDENING SUPPLIES, RIDING MOWERS, REALLY ANYTHING THAT A, UH, DO IT YOURSELF SUBURBAN HOMEOWNER MIGHT NEED.
UH, AND SO DO YOU WANT ME TO GET INTO THAT WHOLE,
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WHOLE LAYOUT AND EVERYTHING? NOT ANYMORE.JUST YOU CAN SAY THERE ANY QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? SO IS IT, IT'S KIND OF LIKE, IT'S LIKE A LOWE'S, BUT MORE BIGGER EQUIPMENT? UH, WELL, SO IT'S KIND OF A MIX BETWEEN, UH, A SMALLER LOWE'S AND A PET STORE AS WELL.
SO LOWE'S WOULDN'T HAVE QUITE AS MANY, UH, PET ITEMS. UH, LOWE'S OR A HOME DEPOT WOULD ALSO HAVE LARGE APPLIANCES, UH, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE HERE.
UH, TRACTOR SUPPLY IS A 22,000 SQUARE FOOT STORE, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, QUITE A BIT SMALLER THAN A LOWE'S OR A HOME DEPOT.
IT'S A LITTLE, IT'S CLOSER TO, UH, AN ACE HARDWARE, BUT A MUCH NICER BUILD OUT, UH, AN ADDITIONAL OUTDOOR AREA.
UH, IT'S ALSO A LOT DIFFERENT THAN AN ACE BECAUSE IT'S A NATIONAL RETAILER.
THEY'RE ALL CORPORATELY OWNED AND OPERATED.
ACE HARDWARES ARE INDIVIDUAL OPERATORS THAT JUST HAVE REGIONS AND THEY CAN VARY FROM LOCATION TO LOCATION, ESPECIALLY IN HOW THEY'RE MAINTAINED.
TRACTOR SUPPLY IS VERY SERIOUS ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE OF THEIR STORES, KEEPING THEM ORDERLY.
UH, THE FOUND, THE FENCED OUTDOOR DISPLAY, WHICH IS THE YELLOW AREA ON THE SCREEN, IS LOCKED AT NIGHT.
UH, IT, IT, HERE IT WILL NOT BE A CHAIN LINK FENCE.
UH, IT'S MORE, MORE OF A STRUCTURE.
UH, AND ALL OF THE ITEMS IN THE AREA WILL HAVE, UH, SECURITY FOR THEM.
THEY'LL, THEY'LL ALL BE ROPED TOGETHER, UH, AND LOCKED IN THE EVENING.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO NOTE FOR THE BOARD'S INTEREST THAT BECAUSE THIS IS AN M1 PROPERTY AND EVERYTHING BASICALLY ACROSS MILL ROAD IS DEVELOPED UNDER THE CRSC PROVISIONS, WHICH IS THE COMMUNITY REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER PROVISIONS.
IT'S JUST A QUIRK THAT CROSSED IT'S ALL M1, BUT BECAUSE ACROSS THE STREETS DEVELOPED UNDER A PROVISION, THEY WOULDN'T NEED THIS IF THEY INCLUDED IT IN THEIR CRSC OVERLAY, WHICH THEY CAN'T REALLY DO BASED ON SOME OF THE LANGUAGE IN THERE.
IT IS SOMETHING THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTS TO TAKE UP, BUT GENERALLY THESE USES ARE ALLOWED, THESE VARIANCES WOULDN'T BE AS NECESSARY.
WOULDN'T BE NECESSARY IF IT WAS IN SORT OF THAT, THAT SORT OF HYBRID LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE IN THERE.
JUST BECAUSE IT'S A STANDALONE BUILDING WHERE IT'S, SO WHAT'S THE ADD NEW MONUMENT SIGN TO BE PERMITTED SEPARATELY? UH, WE ARE LOOKING FOR A NEW MONUMENT SIGN TO BE, UH, CONSTRUCTED THERE AT THE ENTRANCE, WHICH WILL BE, YOU KNOW, A STANDARD FIX TO THE GROUND SMALL MONUMENT SIGN.
IS THAT PART OF THE CURRENT APPLICATION ED? NO, IT'S NOT.
THEY, THEY CAN DO THEIR OWN SIGN.
THEY, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THEIR OWN SIGN WITHIN THEIR PARAMETERS.
YOU HAVEN'T PUT IN A SIGNED PERMIT APPLICATION YET.
IT'LL BE UNDER A SEPARATE COVER.
IF THEY DO NEED A CHANGE TO THOSE SIGNS OR VARIANCE OF THOSE SIGNS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN, WHICH I'M SURE THEY'RE GOING TO AVOID AT ALL COSTS.
SO
A SEPARATE PERMIT AND THEN THE MECHANIC FOR PARKING.
IS THAT THE SAME AMOUNT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW? YOU SAID THE BUILDING DID CHANGE 'CAUSE IT WAS THE OFF TRACK BEDDING.
WE ARE NOT INCREASING IMPERVIOUS, WE'RE NOT INCREASING BUILDING AREA.
WE, WE ARE LOOKING TO MAKE BEST USE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING AND STRUCTURE.
YEAH, I NOTICED, UH, LOWE'S HAD A KIOSK OF CARHART CLOTHING IN THEIR STORE.
LIKE, UH, BUILT OUT A CARDBOARD AND STUFF THAT WE NEED YOU TO COME IN
UM, THE ONLY THING THAT WE COULD DO IF, IF, IF THE BOARD WANTS TO IS WE COULD SEND OUR SOLICITOR TO OPPOSE THIS, BUT THE PLAINTIFF COMMISSION HAS RECOMMENDED IT AND I SEE NO REASON TO OPPOSE IT.
WE, WE, WE'LL MAKE PAY BETTER ATTENTION NEXT TIME.
THANK YOU FOR COMING IN AND TALKING TO US.
ALRIGHT, NOW WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER APPROVING AUTHORIZATION OF MUTUAL AID FIRE SERVICE AGREEMENTS WITH THE BLACKROCK VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY.
UH, COLLEGEVILLE FIRE COMPANY NUMBER ONE WORKS FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT AND TRAP FIRE COMPANY NUMBER ONE AND MUTUAL AID EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICE AGREEMENTS WITH FRIENDSHIP HOOK, LADDER HOSE AND AMBULANCE INCORPORATED, LOWER PROVIDENCE COMMUNITY CENTER CENTER AND FREEDOM VALLEY MEDICAL RESCUE.
AND, UM, SHE LIKE WANTS TO TELL ME SOMETHING ABOUT, I I WAS JUST ANTICIPATING THE QUESTIONS.
UM, THE, THE FIRE CONTRACT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE THERE, THERE'RE REALLY IS NOTHING IS DIFFERENT THAN THE EXCEPTION IS THAT IN THE PAST THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN YEAR BY YEAR BY YEAR.
UH, WE'VE MADE THESE PERPETUAL WITH A 38 DAY OUT FROM HERE FARTHER WITHOUT ANY EXCEPTIONS.
SO IF, UH, WE WENT OUT, WE GIVE THEM 38 SOMEWHERE OUT
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THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT EVERY THIS EVERY YEAR.UH, THERE'S NOTHING DIFFERENT THAN ANY OF THE FIRE CONTRACTS AND THE AMBULANCE CONTRACTS ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BECAUSE THEY NOW INCLUDE, UH, THE CLAUSE ABOUT THE BILLING IN THAT, UH, WHICH, UH, THE REASON WE'RE DOING IT THROUGH A CONTRACT THIS WAY IS IT ALLOWS THE BOARD TO, IF THERE'S A DISCUSSION OR PROBLEMS OR ANY KIND OF ISSUES WHERE BILLING WOULD BECOME A MATTER WITH, UH, THE PUBLIC, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO CORRECT CHANGE OR ADDRESS THAT MOVING FORWARD.
UM, BUT IT, IT ALL FALLS IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'VE, UH, TALKED ABOUT FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.
AND THEN ALONG THE CHANGE IN THE, UH, THE, AND NOTHING PLACE EARLIER THIS YEAR, AND ALL THREE OF THE, UH, EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICE COMPANIES LISTED HERE, THEY'RE ALL, UH, ON BOARD WITH, UH, THE NEW MEMBERSHIP.
YOU KNOW, THE UPPER PROVIDENCE RESIDENTS ALL HAVE A MEMBERSHIP NOW THROUGH THE TAX IZED HERE THEY ARE.
IN FACT THEY'RE ALL SIGNED ALREADY.
UM, THEY ALL WENT THROUGH, UH, THEIR, UM, THEIR, THEIR OWN PROCESS.
UM, THE, THE ONE DELAY WAS THEY SENT IT TO THEIR ATTORNEY FOR THEIR FINAL REVIEW.
THE OTHER TWO, UH, WERE ON BOARD AS DEVELOPMENT PLAN THE
THEY'RE ACTUALLY NOT ON BOARD.
THERE'S VERY MUCH PHASE, UM, DOES THIS DOES EXCLUDE, IF THERE'S A COVER THAT WE IN, UH, THEY HAVE TO, PART OF THIS CONTRACT IS THEY HAVE TO HAVE A MUTUAL AID WITH THOSE, UH, ORGANIZATIONS TO, THAT THEY WOULD ACCEPT THE PAYMENT FROM THE, UH, SO, UM, TOWER HEALTH COMES OVER IN CONGRESS BECAUSE, UH, UH, FRIENDSHIP IS TIED UP CALLS, UM, FRIENDSHIP AND TOWER HEALTH WILL WORK THAT OUT.
THAT DOESN'T AFFECT THE RESIDENT OF THE TOWNSHIP.
THEY'RE STILL COVERED UNDER THE SAME MEMBERSHIP AGREEMENT 'CAUSE THEY'RE MEMBERS OF THE TOWNSHIP.
SO WHILE TOWER HEALTH DOESN'T GET FUNDING FROM US, THEY WILL GET IT, UH, REIMBURSED OR FIGURED OUT THROUGH, UM, FRIENDSHIP, THESE MUTUAL AID AGREEMENTS THAT ALLOW THEM TO COME AND DO CALLS IN OUR TOWNSHIP.
NOW GOING THE OTHER DIRECTION, WHEN WE GO TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, DO WE HAVE MUTUAL AID AGREEMENTS WITH THOSE MUNICIPALITIES THAT THEY'RE, THAT THAT'S ALWAYS WHAT THEY WANT? YES.
WE'RE THEY'RE, YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT.
THEY'RE, IF WE EXPECT THAT OF, OF THEM COMING HERE, THEY EXPECT THE SAME WITH US GOING THERE.
SO WHAT ABOUT PHOENIX AT ALL? WELL, SO THAT'S TOWN HEALTH.
UH, AND IT IS THE PRIMARY ANIMALS THERE, UH, WEST END OF PHOENIX HOLE? NO, BUT I MEAN, DO WE, DO THEY, DO THEY, UH, PASS A CONTINUING, I MEAN, DO THEY PASS A MUTUAL AID AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE TO SIGN ON? NO.
IS THAT 'CAUSE THE COUNTY DIFFERENCE OR JUST NO, THEY NEVER HAVE.
IT'S JUST A PRIVATE ANIMAL SERVICE.
JUST, UH, WOULD BE THE, WELL, I I'M NOT THINKING ABOUT, I'M THINKING ABOUT FIRE OH FIRE.
UM, NO, WE HAVE THAT, UH, THIS MUTUAL AID AGREEMENTS.
UM, NO, WE DON'T HAVE THAT WITH ANY OF THE MUTUAL AID FIRE.
UM, SO WHEN WE WENT TO TON THE OTHER DAY AND THERE WAS LAST MONTH EARLIER THIS MONTH AND THERE WAS 125 FIRE COMPANIES THERE, IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO DO THAT.
SO MUTUAL AID, IT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT THE FIRE COMPANIES DO WITH EACH OTHER.
IT COVERED UNDER, UH, ONE OF THE STATE WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
BUT YEAH, I KNOW WE'LL GO ANYWHERE WE NEEDED.
UH, ANYONE, ANY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I MEAN, I'LL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTIONS.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AUTHORIZATION MUTUAL AID FIRE SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH BLACKROCK VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY, COLLEGEVILLE FIRE COMPANY NUMBER ONE,
LOWER PROVIDENCE COMMUNITY CENTER AND FREEDOM VALLEY MEDICAL RESCUE.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
UM, NUMBER NINE ON OUR AGENDA, CONSIDER AWARDING, UH, THE 2025 ROAD PA PAVING PRO ROAD PAVING PROJECT C, THE ALLEN ALAN MYERS, UH, LIMITED PARTNERSHIP OF WARCHESTER PA IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,174,870 AS THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE BIDDER.
I MAKE A MOTION TO AWARD THE 2025 ROAD PAVING PROJECT C TO ALAN MYERS, UH, LIMITED PARTNERSHIP OF WORCHESTER PA IN THE AMOUNT OF 1 MILLION 1 74 870 AS LOW AS
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ALRIGHT.UH, CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 15 ACCEPTING DEDICATION OF THE SANITARY SEWER FOR THE FOUNDERS OF STATE SUBDIVISION.
ADELINE WAY JEFF'S LEAVING, HE WOULD'VE EXPLAINED.
YEAH, I, I CAN TALK ABOUT THIS ONE.
LAST MONTH, THE BOARD ACCEPTED DEDICATION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY IN THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT IS THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT CONTAINS THE, THE ROAD
UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, ALTHOUGH THE VAST MAJORITY RUNS WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY, THERE'S A SMALL PORTION THAT RUNS OUTSIDE THE RIGHT OF WAY ON PRIVATE PROPERTY IN AN EASEMENT.
SO THIS AS ACCEPTS DEDICATION OF ALL THE SANITARY SEWER, INCLUDING THAT OUTSIDE THE RIGHT OF WAY AND IT'S CLEAN FOR THE FUTURE.
BEFORE WE ACCEPT DEDICATION ON SERIAL ENGINE, WE DO AN INSPECTION, RIGHT? IT'S INSPECTED WHEN IT GOES IN.
UM, AND THEN THEY DO, UM, VACUUM TESTING BEFORE IT'S FINALIZED AND GO.
ALRIGHT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION ADOPT RESOLUTION 20 25 15 ACCEPTING DEDICATION IN THE ARY SEWER OF THE FOUNDERS ESTATE SUBDIVISION AT LINE BY ALSO SECOND.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND.
AND THE NEXT TWO ITEMS ARE GONNA BE ABOUT ALLOWING THE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL AT, UH, ACTUALLY TOWNSHIP THE FALL FEST COMMUNITY DAY IN THE FALL AND AT MUSIC FEST IN THE SUMMER.
AND WE VOTE ON THIS EVERY YEAR AND, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.
EVERY CASE THERE'S EVER AN ISSUE, THERE HAS NOT BEEN AN ISSUE WHAT WE'VE DOING THIS FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.
SO, UM, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
WE COULD JUST DO, WE, WE'LL DO IT IN A ROW IF YOU WANT.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 16 ALLOWING FOR THE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL FEST AND THEN MOTION ADOPT RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 17 ALLOWING FOR THE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL MUSIC FEST.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UH, I CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION IN 2025 DASH 18 APPROVING THE SUBMISSION OF A CFA GREENWAYS TRAILS AND RECREATION PROGRAM GRANT FOR THE ANDERSON FARM PARK TRAIL IMPROVEMENTS.
WHY WOULD WE NOT DO THAT? THERE'S NO REASON NOT TO DO THAT.
I MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION IN 2025 DASH 18 APPROVING THE SUBMISSION OF THE CFA GREENWAYS TRAILS AND RECREATION PROGRAM GRANT FOR THE ANDERSON PARK ANDERSON FARM PARK TRAIL IMPROVEMENTS.
NUMBER 14, CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 19 APPROVING THE SUBMISSION OF A-D-C-N-R COMMUNITY CONSERVATION PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM GRANT FOR THE MCFARLAND PARK PLAYGROUND IMPROVEMENTS.
AGAIN, NO REASON NOT TO DO THAT, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DO RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 19 APPROVING THE SUBMISSION OF A OF A-D-C-N-R COMMUNITY CONSERVATION PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM GRANT FOR THE MCFARLAND PARK PLAYGROUND IMPROVEMENTS.
CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 20 APPROVING THE SUBMISSION OF A-C-F-A-P, A SMALL WATER AND SEWER PROGRAM GRANT FOR THE LINFIELD FOR THE LINFIELD TRAP ROAD.
SPROUSE CIRCLE, SANITARY SILVER EXTENSION.
AGAIN, I DUNNO OF ANY REASON NOT TO, BUT IS THIS, UH, WILL THIS PAY FOR THE WHOLE PROJECT OR, AND I THINK THIS, JEN, HELP ME, BUT I THINK THE THRESHOLD ON THE THRESHOLD OF THAT GRANT IS IT HAS TO BE AT LEAST FIVE, I THINK, UH, 25 TO 500,000 AND THIS EXCEEDS THAT.
THE GRANT MAXIMUM APPLICATION IS $500,000.
UM, AND THESE LINES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THIS AREA IS GONNA TIE INTO THE PUMP STATION THAT KLEIN ROAD DEVELOPMENT IS BUILDING FOR THE TOWNSHIP.
ARE THERE ADDITIONAL GRANTS THAT WE CAN GET TO TAKE TO, UM, OFFSET THE BALANCE? WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT, BUT NO.
THESE SMALL, THESE SMALL PROJECT GRANTS ARE SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT FOR THE SMALL PROJECT.
SO THEY'RE GONNA CAP OUT AT THAT FIVE $40,000.
THERE'S NOT, WE DON'T GO FOR, I I
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REMEMBER SEEING THIS ONE IN CASE LETTERS.HOW MUCH MORE I'LL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
WE'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 20 APPROVING THE SUBMISSION OF A CFA SMALL WATER AND SEWER PROGRAM GRANT FOR THE LINFIELD TRAP ROAD.
SPROUSE CIRCLE ARY SEWER EXTENSION.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
UNDER NEW BUSINESS, CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 21 AUTHORIZING THE TOWNSHIP TO PAY FOR COSTS RELATING TO CERTAIN CAPITAL PROJECTS FROM EXISTING CAPITAL FUNDS AND TO REIMBURSE SAID PROJECTS FROM THE PROCEED OF TAX EXEMPT OBLIGATIONS TO BE ISSUED BY THE TOWNSHIP.
MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS A, UH, A, UH, OR, UH, RESOLUTION PREPARED BY OUR BOND COUNCIL.
WE, WHEN WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT MAY, MAY QUALIFY FOR, UM, BONDS, THIS IS FOR LIKE PROJECTS LIKE ROADS THAT HAVE, UH, 20 YEAR OR GREATER LIVES, INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS OR ACQUISITION OF BUILDINGS LIKE THE POTENTIAL FIREHOUSE.
THIS GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY AS AN AUTHOR.
IT GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY TO, UH, GET REIMBURSEMENT THROUGH BONDS.
BUT YOU HAVE TO DO THIS RESOLUTION BEFORE YOU SPEND ANY MONEY.
SO IT JUST GIVES US FLEXIBILITY.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT BONDS.
WITH THE FEDERAL, UH, BUDGET THAT WAS PASSED AND POTENTIAL TO HAVE, UM, MUNICIPAL BONDS NOW TAXED, IS THAT GOING TO IMPACT US OR HOW IS THAT GONNA IMPACT? STAY TUNED ON THAT.
THAT'S STILL, UH, UM, KELLY'S BRINGING UP AN ISSUE THAT CAME BEFORE WHEN WE WERE, UH, TALKING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OPEN SPACE REFERENDUM.
UM, ONE OF THE LITTLE GEMS HIDDEN IN THE, IN THE FEDERAL BUDGET IS THE ELIMINATION OF ALL TAX EXEMPT BONDS.
AND IF THAT GOES THROUGH, IT BASICALLY WOULD BRING THE COSTS OF ANY BONDS UP LIKE ABOUT 40.
SO BASICALLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, IT'S STILL IT BUT IT SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTS YES, OUR ACCOUNT.
YEAH, IT WOULD IF WE WHEREVER TO BOND IF THAT GOES THROUGH, IT WOULD BASICALLY MAKE ALL TAXES, UM, ALL ALL BONDS TAXABLE.
SO, UH, ANY TYPE OF SCHOOL DISTRICT BOND FOR FOR A SCHOOL? UM, I THINK NOBODY THAT IT'S NOT GOTTEN A LOT OF PRESS.
THAT'S WHY I WOULDN'T BRING IT UP BECAUSE ANYBODY'S AWARE HOW HEART PUNCH IS GONNA HURT US.
I CAN GUARANTEE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A LITTLE TINY BIT OF ECONOMIC, THIS GONNA DEFINITELY DRIVE THE RATES UP.
I MEAN THERE'S NO WAY IT'S, FROM WHAT I HEAR, IT'S GONNA BE LESS, IT'S ABOUT A 30 TO 40% HIT, UM, THAT YOU'D PAY MORE.
SO I THINK WE WOULD CERTAINLY WANT TO USE OUR BONDS.
UM, I MAKE A MOTION, UM, MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 20 25 21 AUTHORIZING THE TOWNSHIP TO PAY FOR COSTS RELATING TO CERTAIN CAPITAL PROJECTS FROM EXISTING CAPITAL FUNDS.
AND REIMBURSE SAID FROM THE PROOF PROCEEDS OF TAX EXEMPT OBLIGATIONS TO BE ISSUED BY THE TOWN.
JUDGE, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE A AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[MANAGER AND DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS]
OKAY.MANAGER DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS, UH, UPDATES FROM THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT.
I FIRST JUST WANT TO DO A LITTLE SELFLESS.
IT'S GREEN, IT'S ON, I JUST REALLY, REALLY QUICK WANTED TO THANK THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UM, OUR FIRST ANNUAL 5K IS RAPIDLY APPROACHING.
I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
I SAW SOME NAMES ON THE REGISTRATION SO THANK YOU.
UM, I WAS GONNA DO A PLUG TO THE AUDIENCE BUT IF ANYBODY'S WATCHING, UM, WE ARE STILL TAKING REGISTRATIONS FOR THE ADULT GOT AS WELL AS THE KITTY GAUNTLET UP UNTIL DAY OF.
SO JOHN'S GONNA STILL WAITING.
SO I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY UM, TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE UPCOMING TRAIL AND PARK MAINTENANCE, UM, DOCUMENTS THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.
SO THE FIRST THING UP ON THE SCREEN, AND I APOLOGIZE, THIS IS COMING FROM OUR UM, PARK MASTER PLAN, SO I COULDN'T CHANGE THE COLORS OF THINGS.
IF YOU CAN'T SEE IT, I APOLOGIZE.
UM, BUT ONE OF THE MAJOR THINGS WHEN WE DID OUR FIRST PARK MASTER PLAN IS WE DID A HUGE COMMUNITY SURVEY.
UNFORTUNATELY WHEN WE DID THE SURVEY THE PANDEMIC HAD JUST HIT SO WE DIDN'T GET AS MANY COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
BUT THE ONES THAT DID COME OUT, THE BIGGEST THING THAT THEY WANTED US TO HEAR FROM THEM WAS ABOUT TRAILS AND OPEN SPACE.
SO I WANNA KIND OF MAKE THAT THE NEW PARK AND REC PRIMARY GOAL FOR THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS IS TO REALLY IMPROVE THE TRAIL SYSTEMS.
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WE HAVE DECENT TRAIL SYSTEMS FROM THE DEVELOPMENTS AS WELL AS SOME OF THE GRANTS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN, A COUPLE, UM, THAT YOU'VE APPROVED RECENTLY, ESPECIALLY TONIGHT.BUT THE EMPHASIS OF TRAILS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF PEOPLE MOVE TO THE SUBURBAN AREAS FROM SMALLER CITIES OR THE LARGER CITIES AND THE BIGGEST THING FOR THEM IS WALKABILITY TO NEIGHBORHOODS, SCHOOLS, BUSINESSES, YOU NAME IT.
AND RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH AS THAT AS I THINK WE COULD.
SO CURRENTLY, UM, BETWEEN THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT AND PLANNING, UM, WE ARE WORKING WITH TALENTED, UM, TRAIL PLANNERS AND DESIGNERS THAT CAN THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX FOR US.
I THINK AT THIS POINT WE'VE KIND OF BEATEN OUR HEAD UP AGAINST THE WALL OF HOW WE CAN MAKE SOME OF THESE TRAIL CONNECTIONS.
SO WE ARE HAPPY TO HAVE THESE PARTNERSHIPS TO START WORKING ON THOSE AND GET A LITTLE BIT MORE CREATIVE WITH HOW WE CAN DESIGN THEM.
UM, ONE OF THE TRAILS THAT YOU UM, JUST APPROVED TONIGHT IS TO ASSIST WITH THE TRAIL PLANNING OVER AT ANDERSON.
UM, WE PUT IN THE NEW LOOP TRAIL NOW, UM, BUT AS WE WERE DEVELOPING THIS TRAIL IT BECAME OBVIOUS THAT THE OLD TRAIL SYSTEM AT ANDERSON, IT JUST KIND OF STARTS AND ENDS.
THERE'S NO PLACE TO REALLY GO.
SO THIS CONNECTOR THAT WE JUST PUT IN IS GOING TO ASSIST, BUT THE NEXT GRANT THAT WE PUT IN IS GOING TO HELP REDEVELOP IT.
THERE'S SOME TREES THAT ARE HELPING TO BUCKLE SOME OF THE SYSTEMS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE.
SO THIS WAY IT'S A FULL REDESIGN.
SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
AGAIN, WITH OUR UM, 2021 SURVEY, WE HAD A LOT OF OUR STAKEHOLDERS OUT AND THESE WERE SOME OF OUR BUSINESS OWNERS.
OUR PARTNERS LIKE THE PERM AND WATERSHED THAT SAID TRAILS WERE AN IMPORTANT PART OF LIVING HERE AS WELL.
SOME OF, UM, THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE ON THIS IS FUNDING SOME LONG-TERM IMPLEMENTAL, UM, IMPLICATIONS.
UM, GAINING SOME OF THE PUBLIC SUPPORT.
BUT I THINK FROM JUST DOING THE SURVEY WE HAVE PLENTY OF TOWNSHIP RESIDENTS AND NEIGHBORING TOWNSHIP, TOWNSHIP RESIDENTS THAT REALLY WANT US TO PUSH THAT CONNECTIVITY WITH OUR TRAIL SYSTEM.
UM, WHAT COMES WITH THESE TRAILS IS MAINTENANCE.
RIGHT NOW I STILL HARLEY, I WAS HOPING UM, DON KELLY WAS GONNA BE HERE TONIGHT, BUT OUR TRAILS AND ALL OUR PARK AMENITIES ARE AS BEAUTIFUL AS THEY ARE BECAUSE OF OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
THEY MAINTAIN EVERYTHING TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITIES AND 89% OF PEOPLE THAT TOOK THE SURVEY SAID THAT OUR PARKS AND OPEN SPACES, INCLUDING OUR TRAILS, ARE WONDERFUL.
THEY'RE WELL MAINTAINED, WE DON'T HAVE MANY ISSUES.
SO I DO WANNA GIVE A KUDOS TO ALL OF OUR PUBLIC WORK STAFF FOR HELPING US MAINTAIN EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE.
AND THAT KIND OF GETS ME INTO THANK YOU.
SO THE AMENITIES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE AND THE IMPORTANCE OF KEEPING THEM UPDATED.
SO RIGHT NOW, UM, ONE OF THE GRANTS THAT YOU GUYS APPROVED FOR SUBMISSION TONIGHT WAS TO REDO OUR MCFARLAND PARK.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S ALWAYS CONVERSATION AND TALK ABOUT IMPROVING OUR PARKS WITH NEW AMENITIES AND BUILDING NEW STRUCTURES, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE ENOUGH AMENITIES AND STRUCTURES IN PLACE.
I REALLY THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE LOOK AT THOSE AND IMPROVE THEM INSTEAD OF ADDING TO THEM.
LIKE I SAID BEFORE, WITH ALL THE NEW TRAILS THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN PLACE, THERE'S A LOT, A LOT OF MAINTENANCE THAT GOES ALONG WITH THIS.
SO IF WE CAN INSTEAD OF ADD TO WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE, MAINTAIN WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE TO OUR BEST ABILITY AND REBUILD WHEN WE CAN, IT'S GONNA BE MORE ECONOMIC FOR US IN THE LONG RUN.
AND PEOPLE REALLY ENJOY WHERE THE PARK SYSTEMS ARE.
THEY ENJOY WHAT WE HAVE THERE AND IT DIDN'T SEEM FROM ANY OF THE SURVEYS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT THEY REALLY WANTED NEW AND INNOVATIVE PARKS.
THEY REALLY JUST WANTED TO REBUILD WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE PLAN FOR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
AND I REALLY JUST TALKED REALLY FAST.
SO ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, HOW'S THE TAYLOR UM, FORM? IS IT UH, HOW'S THAT COME ALONG? SO RIGHT NOW WE WERE ACCEPTED.
UM, WE GOT APPROVED FOR THE CNR GRANT.
WE ARE WAITING FOR SOME PERMITS TO COME THROUGH BUT WE ARE HOPING TO START THAT PROJECT IN THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS.
WAS THIS SURVEY BEFORE THE BLACKROCK PARK PLAYGROUND OR? UM, YEAH, IT WAS RIGHT ON THE BEGINNING OF THE TAIL OF UM, MEGA PLAYGROUND GOING IN.
SO YEAH, THE PLAYGROUND STRUCTURE THAT WAS THERE BEFORE JUST FOR REFERENCE WAS 26 YEARS OLD THAT WE REPLACED WITH THIS PARK.
UM, BECAUSE OF THE MAINTENANCE THAT WE DO ON OUR PARK SYSTEMS, OUR PLAY STRUCTURES ARE ACTUALLY LASTING DOUBLE THEIR LIFETIME SPAN.
SO THE ONE AT MCFARLAND IS 27 YEARS OLD AND THE ONE HERE AT BLACKROCK IS I THINK APPROACHING 30 IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
UM, BUT THEY USUALLY LAST PROBABLY 10 TO 15 YEARS AT MOST.
SO ANDERSON FARM PARK CAME UP AS THE ONE
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THAT COULD USE THIS SOME IMPROVEMENT.IT'S SURPRISING BECAUSE THAT ONE SEEMS BETTER.
WELL IT'S FUNNY, WE THOUGHT THE SAME THING WHEN WE SAW THE FIRST SURVEY RESULTS COME IN.
I THINK BECAUSE THAT WAS THE MOST USED PARK AT THE TIME.
THIS WAS BEFORE THE BIG PLAYGROUND WAS PUT IN PLACE HERE.
SO THAT WAS OUR MOST POPULAR PARK AT THE TIME.
YEAH, IT IS KIND OF BASIC THOUGH THAT BUT I KNOW THE LITTLE ONES REALLY LIKE THAT, THE CLIMBING THE BOULDERS AND STUFF, BUT YEAH, WELL IT'S BASIC.
NOW WE HAVE THIS WELL AND THAT'S THE THING.
SO NOW THERE'S THE HALLMARK AND NOW WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO AFTER THAT? SO WE ARE IN THE DESIGNING PHASE OF MCFARLAND.
IT'S NOT GOING, IT'S GONNA BE AN ALL INCLUSIVE PARK WITH THE POUR AND PLAY SURFACING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE AT MEGA, BUT IT WILL BE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLAY EXPERIENCE.
IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE THE BIG TOWERS, IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE ALL THE THINGS THAT THIS PARK HAS, BUT IT WILL HAVE NEW CLIMBING FEATURE AND A LOT MORE INTERACTIVE PLAY THAN WHAT YOU SEE AT BLACKROCK.
AND THEN YOUR THOUGHTS TOO ON THE PROPERTY DOWN IN MONTCLAIR THAT GOT IT JUST CAME I GUESS YOU AWARDED WITH HIM.
YES, I WAS JUST INVITED TO MEET WITH HIM IF IT CONTINUES TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO YEAH, I THINK MY FIRST INITIAL REACTION IS IS THAT THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE BIT MORE THAT WE COULD DO WITH THAT SPACE, ESPECIALLY SEEING THE SIZE OF IT.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY COOL PLAY STRUCTURES THAT COULD BE ALL INCLUSIVE, FUN FOR EVERYBODY, DIFFERENT AGES.
THERE'S A LOT OF COOL TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE THAT WE CAN REALLY UTILIZE DOWN THERE AND I'D LOVE TO BE THERE FROM MONTCLAIR BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE YEAH, WE COULD BE ABLE TO USE IT.
HOW'S THE DOG PARK GOING? REMEMBER? I DUNNO HOW MUCH TIME WE HAVE BUT
UM, BUT NO, AS UM, MARIE CAN YOU ATTEST UM, THE DOG PARK COMES UP UM, AT LENGTH DURING OUR PARK BOARD MEETINGS.
UM, ONE OF THE COOL INITIATIVES THAT WE HAVE WITH THE PARK BAR GROUP IS A PARK WATCH SYSTEM.
SO FROM APRIL THROUGH OCTOBER, UM, EACH BOARD MEMBER GOES OUT TO A DIFFERENT PARK EVERY SINGLE MONTH.
SO EVERY SINGLE MONTH THEY'RE ALL GONNA HIT THE SAME PARKS BUT DIFFERENT PEOPLE ARE GONNA HIT THEM AT DIFFERENT TIMES.
UM, THEY HAVE TO INITIATE CONVERSATION WITH PARK GOERS, CHECK OUT OUR EQUIPMENT, CHECK OUT THE TRAILS, ANYTHING THAT'S AT THAT PARK, AND THEN THEY REPORT BACK TO ME AT THE NEXT MEETING.
AND THE DOG PARK IS ALWAYS THE MOST FUN ONE FOR THE PARK BOARD TO GO TO 'CAUSE PEOPLE ARE VERY VOCAL.
UM, BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND I'M KNOCKING ON WOOD, UM, EVERYTHING IS GOING VERY WELL DONE AT THE DOG PARK.
UM, WE DO HAVE THE TWO LARGE SECTIONS OF THE DOG PARK THAT WE DO ROTATE.
ONCE THE GRASS HAS FULLY COME IN, WE HAVE CHANGED THE GRASS SYSTEM OVER THERE SO THAT IT'S MORE OF A A WEED GRASS SO IT KIND OF TANGLES ITSELF.
SO WHEN THE DOGS SCRATCH HER TO GO TO DIG, THEY'RE NOT MAKING HUGE HOLES THAT THEN GET COVERED IN WATER AND THEN RUIN THE WHOLE ENTIRE SIDE OF THE FENCE.
UM, BUT WE ARE WORKING THROUGH SOME THINGS AND SOME STRATEGIES THAT SEEM TO BE WORKING AT THE MOMENT.
SO I BELIEVE PROBABLY THE END OF APRIL OR SO, WE'LL PROBABLY TRANSFER OVER THE FENCE.
SO WE'LL HAVE THE NEWER SECTION READY TO GO.
'CAUSE I'M NOT GETTING EMAILS ANYMORE SO YOU'RE VERY WELCOME.
[CONSULTANT REPORTS]
NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS CONSULTING REPORTS ENGINEER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.JUST WANNA LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT ROAD PROJECTS A AND B ARE SCHEDULED TO START AT THE END OF THIS MONTH AND BE COMPLETED AROUND THE END OF JUNE.
UH, I SOLICIT A REPORT OR ANYTHING? UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY REPORT.
AND SUPERVISOR'S COMMENTS? ANYBODY HAVE A COMMENT? OKAY.
[UPCOMING EVENTS]
UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL MEET, UH, AGAIN APRIL 21ST.JEFF, I THINK BASED ON HAVING TWO HEARINGS AND WITH, UM, 5 92, THE ENTERTAINMENT BEING RELATIVELY, UH, NOT CONTROVERSIAL, BUT HAVING TO HAVE PEOPLE OUT, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE IT ON ITS OWN NIGHT.
WELL, DOESN'T NOT REQUIRE A LOT OF EXPLANATION.
SO, SO WE'LL WE WILL SCHEDULE THAT FOR APRIL 22ND IF THAT'S OKAY WITH THE BOARD.
SO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL MEET ON APRIL 21ST FOR OUR REGULAR MEETING.
THEN THE NEXT NIGHT, APRIL 22ND WILL BE A SPECIAL MEETING FOR, UH, THE ZONING HEARING TEXT, UH, AMENDMENT THAT WE, WE NEED DECIDED TO HAVE HEARING FOR TONIGHT.
AND THEN AGAIN, WE'LL MEET TODAY ON THE 19TH FOR A REGULAR MEETING.
COMMISSION MEET, UH, MARCH 19TH AT SEVEN O'CLOCK.
APRIL 2ND SEVEN, OH, EXCUSE ME.
PLANNING COMMISSION IS CANCELED.
UH, SO THAT WILL MEET AGAIN, UH, AS OF RIGHT NOW ON APRIL 2ND.
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THEIR AGENDA WILL BE EMORY MANOR AT UH, 7 8 1 SOUTH TRAP ROAD.THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL WILL MEET MARCH 19TH, UH, AT 6:00 PM PARKS AND REC MEETS, UH, ON APRIL 9TH AT 6:00 PM MUNICIPAL MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY MEETING.
THE NEXT ONE WILL BE APRIL 3RD AT 7:00 PM AND THE ZONING BOARD ZONING HEARING BOARD MEETING SCHEDULED AS OF NOW WILL BE, UH, TRACTOR SUPPLY ON MARCH 25TH.
AND, UH, WE DID RECEIVE ONE OTHER APPLICATION.
WE DID RECEIVE ANOTHER APPLICATION TODAY FOR A A A SIDE YARD FRONT YARD VARIANCE, A MINOR ISSUE, BUT I'LL STILL MAIL IT TO YOU TODAY.
AND, UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.