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ARE WE READY? I AM GONNA CALL THE,[CALL TO ORDER (REGULAR MEETING) Motion to Approve January 15, 2025 Agenda]
UH, REORGANIZATION MEETING FOR THE TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.[REORGANIZATION MEETING]
FOR CHAIR FOR A NOMINATION FOR CHAIR? EXCUSE? YES.I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE ON WITH THE WAY WE'RE GOING AND, UH, NOMINATE, UH, TOMMY FOR, UH, CHAIR.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT.
UM, DO YOU WANT ME TO JUST CONTINUE ON AND GET IT ALL DONE? YEAH.
UH, NOW WE NEED TO ELECT THE VICE CHAIR.
DO I HAVE A NOMINATION FOR VICE CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE BOB HEIST.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? UH, I'LL SECOND THAT.
I'LL LET ANY OPPOSED AND SECRETARY, PROBABLY THE MOST USELESS POSITION ON THIS BOARD BECAUSE WE DON'T THINK YOU SIGN ANYTHING ANYMORE, BUT OH, REALLY? YOU DON'T SIGN ANYTHING? NO, BECAUSE IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL ELECTRONIC, SO HE HAS TO TRANSCRIBE ALL OF THE, UH, SOMEONE IN HIS FAMILY DOES.
LET'S JUST SAY THAT I'M GONNA NOMINATE JERRY.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.
I HAVE THREE ORGANIZATION MEETINGS UP.
THE REST OF IT IS YOUR THANK YOU, SIR, PLEASE.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE, UH, BOARD FOR, UH, GIVING ME ANOTHER YEAR OF CHAIR.
I, I DO ENJOY IT, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT AND YOUR CONFIDENCE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH OFFICIALLY TO, TO ALL OF YOU MEMBERS, UM, FOR 2025.
SECONDLY, ALL I'D LIKE TO WELCOME OUR NEWEST MEMBER, AND WE ALL GOT TO BE, UM, SO, UH, WELCOME.
AND, UM, UM, I GIVE, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS, BOB'S BEEN DOING IT LONGER ME, BUT I'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR EIGHT YEARS NOW OR SO.
I GIVE YOU SOME ADVICE FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH, WHICH PROBABLY IS NOT WORTH IT, BUT, UM, DON'T FREAK OUT.
IT TAKES A WHILE AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR BACKGROUND IS, BUT IT TAKES A WHILE TO KIND OF GET A FEEL FOR THE, THE BOARD AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, DON'T FEEL LIKE, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT SAYING ANYTHING IN THE FIRST, AND MAYBE YOU WON'T, MAYBE YOU'LL BE THE OPPOSITE, BUT JUST MY EXPERIENCE, PEOPLE COMING ON THE BOARD, AND JOE IS PROBABLY AN EXCEPTION TO THAT, BUT BECAUSE, BUT JOE COMES EVERY MEETING.
UH, DON'T GET FREAKED OUT IF YOU'RE NOT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING MUCH GOOD, BECAUSE IT TAKES TIME TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE GIST OF EVERYTHING.
IT JUST, IT'S NOT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF LEGAL STUFF AND IT'S JUST SO DON'T FEEL BAD.
DON'T, YOU'LL GET THE GIST OF IT BY POINT, AND YOU'LL, YOU'LL JUMP RIGHT IN WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU FEEL YOU'RE RIGHT.
DO YOU WANT TO TELL US A LITTLE ABOUT YOUR BACKGROUND REAL QUICK, OR? SURE.
UH, MY WIFE AND I MOVED HERE WITH OUR TWO BOYS AND A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN A YEAR AGO.
I AM FROM DC BUT MY WIFE'S FROM PENNSYLVANIA.
I'M AN URBAN PLANNER BY TRAINING, AND MOST OF THE TIME WORK IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, INCLUDING FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT.
I WORK IN A, FOR A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CONTRACTOR NOW, AND WE RUN CAPACITY BUILDING PROGRAMS AROUND LARGE FEDERAL INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAMS. GREAT.
THAT, THAT GREAT BACKGROUND FOR WHAT WE DO.
UH, AND THESE ARE CONSULTANTS.
UM, THERE, I MEAN, WE COULDN'T GO FORWARD WITHOUT THESE PE PEOPLE 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
MAYBE YOU WILL 'CAUSE YOU'RE IN THIS BUSINESS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE RELY ON THESE TWO FOLKS VERY MUCH TO, UH, GIVE US THE ADVICE OF, UH, OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY DO.
BOTH THE ENG ON THE ENGINEERING SIDE, AND, UH, UM, YOU GUYS JUST WANT TO TELL WHO YOU ARE, WHAT YOU DO REAL QUICK, AND, AND JEFF KEEPS US HONEST.
I WORK FOR GUN WARN ASSOCIATES AND THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEER.
SO I LOOK AT EVERYTHING ABOUT A PLAN EXCEPT FOR TRAFFIC.
I SAY WITH ANTHONY VALENCIA, WITH BOWMAN.
UH, SO WE'RE THE TRAFFIC CONSULTANT TO THE TOWNSHIP.
SO WE GIVE ALL THINGS TRAFFIC, TRANSPORTATION RELATED.
AND, AND LIKE I SAY, WE, WE COULDN'T DO ANY OF THIS WITHOUT THEM.
THEY JUST ARE SO UP ON THIS STUFF.
IT REALLY HELPS US MAKE DECISIONS.
UH, OUR ATTORNEY'S NOT HERE TONIGHT.
WE USUALLY HAVE AN ATTORNEY HERE.
UM, AND, UH, HE KEEPS US LEGAL MM-HMM
IN TERMS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO SAY AND DO AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND TRUST ME, I GET A LOT OF, A LOT OF THE TIME FOR ME PARTICULARLY.
SO, UM, UH, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, JEFF, YES, JEFF, UH, BOB AND I WERE TALKING EARLIER THIS WEEK AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SOME THINGS AND, YOU KNOW, BOB SAID HE'S BEEN ON OTHER COMMISSIONS OR BOARDS LIKE THIS AND
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THEY DIDN'T HAVE A GUY LIKE JEFF.AND I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE THAT.
I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE HOW, UM, YOU KNOW, A BOARD LIKE US WHO DON'T DO THIS EVERY DAY, UH, COULD, COULD MANEUVER THROUGH ALL THIS MINUTIA WITHOUT A GUY LIKE JEFF THAT KEEPS US, YOU KNOW, FOCUSED AND WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO AND NOT DO, AND WHAT WE SHOULD DECISIONS.
AND, YOU KNOW, HE'S JUST, HE'S JUST, YOU KNOW, I THINK JOE SAID HE KEEPS US, HE KEEPS US ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
AND I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD AGREE TO THAT.
HE'S, YOU KNOW, HE'S A, HE'S, HE'S A GREAT ASSET TO THIS, TO THE TOWNSHIP AND TO THIS BOARD.
SO AFTER ALL THAT, UH, LET'S GO THROUGH, UH, UH, OUR AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING.
AND WE'LL START OFF WITH, UH, UM, MOTION TO APPROVE OF THE AGENDA.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA, WHICH YOU, I SHOULD HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU? UM, I'LL TAKE A, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
I MOVE ALL BOB'S MADE, UH, A, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
I SECOND, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.
SO THE AGENDA'S BEEN APPROVED, SO NOW WE'LL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
BILL, YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? I THINK NOTHING.
THAT'S ALL THAT, BREAK THAT DOWN AROUND PATTY.
MAKE SURE YOU GET THAT BILL QUIET TONIGHT.
UM, HOW ABOUT THE LADY BEHIND YOU? YOU HAVE ANYTHING? OKAY.
[GENERAL DISCUSSION ITEMS]
MOVE RIGHT TO OUR GENERAL DISCUSSIONS, WHICH IS, UM, UH, THE MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 4TH, AND I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE THOSE TOO.IS THAT ME? UM, SO HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO READ THROUGH THEM? AND I DIDN'T BRING MY COFFEE FOR SOME REASON.
YEAH, IT'S, I NEED, I, IT'S ALRIGHT.
UM, SO IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO READ THROUGH FROM DECEMBER THE FOURTH, UM, THAT WAS THE MEETING, I THINK WHERE WE MET WITH THE, UH, FOLKS, UH, DONALD 29, RIGHT? THAT WAS THEIR FIRST MEETING.
YEAH, THAT WAS THE ALEXANDER MEDIVISION ALEXANDER, UH, HIGH REAL ESTATE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THAT? UH, YOU KNOW, WE APPROVED, IF YOU REMEMBER, WE APPROVED, UH, UH, PRELIMINARILY A HIGH REAL ESTATE.
THAT'S THE 420 OR WHATEVER IT IS, UH, 4 42, UH, UNIT DOWN ON 29.
UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL SEE THEM A LOT MORE.
I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO APPROVE SO WE SEE WHAT'S NEXT.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF DETAILS.
IT WAS JUST MORE OR LESS A, A PICTURE.
UM, ONE THING THAT JEFF AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT I JUST WANT TO REITERATE, WE, WE UP HERE ON THE BOARD NEED TO BE MORE CAREFUL AND, UM, ON, ON HAVING, UM, DISCUSSIONS, UH, DURING THE MEETING PRIOR TO THE MEETING OR PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
UH, WE'VE GOTTA BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, IF WE WANT TO DO THAT, WE CAN DO IT.
WE COULD, WE PROBABLY NEED TO EXCUSE OURSELVES AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
BUT WE GOTTA MAKE SURE WE DON'T DO IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO.
AND, UM, SO, UH, IF WE, IF IF SOMEBODY SEES SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA AND SAYS, HEY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS BEFORE AND WE OUGHT TO EXCUSE OURSELVES FOR A FEW MINUTES IN THE FUTURE, UM, WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT, JEN? YES.
IT, IT, IT, IT JUST, THE OCCASIONALLY, ESPECIALLY WITH SOME MORE CONTROVERSIAL ONES, WE'VE KIND OF GOTTEN INTO THE HABIT OF SAYING, WELL, I LIKE THIS.
BEFORE THEY EVEN GIVE US ANY PRESENTATION OR ANY DELIBERATION, AND YOU CERTAINLY HAVE OPINIONS.
YOU, YOU, YOU'RE ENTITLED TO EVERY OPINION YOU HAVE.
WE JUST NEED TO SORT OF KEEP THEM INTERNAL TO YOU, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT AN ATTORNEY FOR A, A, AN APPLICANT TO GO, WELL, IF YOU TURN ME DOWN, I HEARD YOU BEFORE THE MEETING SAYING YOU DON'T LIKE IT FOR THIS REASON AND THAT REASON, AND YOU MADE A PREDETERMINATION.
YOU KNOW, SO YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KEEP AN OPEN MIND AND READY TO LISTEN AT THE ACTUAL HOW ABOUT DURING THE MEETING? YEAH.
OH, DURING THE MEETINGS WE CAN HAVE CONVERSATIONS.
YOU CAN HAVE CONVERSATIONS AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
YES, BOB AND I HAVE CONVERSATIONS THERE.
AND, AND THAT'S WHAT JOE AND ZACH WILL DO.
IF, IF IT STARTS TO GET A LITTLE TOO FARFIELD AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE DONE THIS RIGHT.
IF IT GETS A LITTLE FARFIELD OR A LITTLE PLACE WHERE YOU, MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T, THEY'LL DIAL YOU BACK IN.
PLEASE DON'T IT, IT IS THEIR JOB AND MY JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TOUCHING, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT CROSSING OVER THE LEGAL LINE OR WHAT'S INAPPROPRIATE OR NOT.
YOU JUST NEED TO, AS I ASK YOUR COMMENTS AND ASK WHAT YOU WANT TO ASK, AND WE WILL LET YOU KNOW IF, WELL, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO TEMPER THAT A LITTLE BIT.
SO IF I UNDERSTAND THIS, BUT YOU'RE, WHAT I THINK YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT
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PRIOR TO ACTUALLY HEARING ANY TESTIMONY, WHATEVER WE COULD EXCUSE OURSELVES, GO TO THE CONFERENCE ROOM, TALK AMONGST OURSELVES WITHIN THE FACILITY.WELL, AS LONG AS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PROCEDURE AND NOT PRE-DETERMINING OR PRE-DECIDING.
I MEAN, IF YOU GO IN THE BACK AND SAY, I'M GONNA VOTE AGAINST THIS.
I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY SAY, THAT'S NOT WELL.
HOWEVER, I DON'T, THAT'S NOT WHAT I WAS.
IF WE GO TO JUST TALK ABOUT, LOOK, IF, IF, IF YOU'RE GOING BACK THERE AND YOU'RE SAYING TO THE EFFECT, LOOK, I KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF PEOPLE SPEAKING.
LET'S LET EVERYBODY HAVE, LET'S LET EVERYBODY HAVE A TURN, OR WE WANNA LIMIT TO THREE MINUTES ADMINISTRATIVE THINGS.
IF, IF YOU START GOING BACK THERE AND SAYING, I'M NOT GONNA LIKE THIS, THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO CONVINCE ME TO LIKE IT, THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE.
THAT CLARIFIES EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
YEAH, IT'S, I GUESS THERE'S A FINE LINE.
THERE'S ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUES VERSUS OPINIONS.
AND, AND SO ANYHOW, WE JUST GOTTA BE A LITTLE BIT MORE COGNIZANT OF THAT, I GUESS, OR, YOU KNOW, AWARE OF IT.
UM, SO, UH, DID WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM NO, WE DIDN'T.
I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE FOURTH.
I'LL APPROVE, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM, UH, DECEMBER 4TH, 2040 FOURTH.
JOE'S MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
DO HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ACTION ITEM PRIORITIES.
UH, NOW I WANT TO TAKE A STEP BACK.
TOM AND I HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A CONVERSATION BEFORE THIS MEETING ABOUT NOT LIMITING DEVELOPMENT, BUT UNDERSTANDING DEVELOPMENT THAT'S POTENTIAL AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THE ONE THING I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE SAID TO YOU, TOM, THAT THAT OCCURRED TO ME DURING OUR OTHER MEETING WAS WHILE WE LOOKED AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SAID WHERE WE WANT DEVELOPMENT TO GO, WHETHER IT'S THE REDEVELOPMENT OF CERTAIN AREAS OR THE PRESERVATION OF CERTAIN AREAS, A LOT OF WHAT WE WANT AND WHAT YOU EXPRESS THAT YOU WANT TO DO IS LOOKING AT THE ZONING AND, AND WHAT WE TALK ABOUT IN HERE, LIKE THE, THE, UM, RIDGE PIPE ZONING EVALUATION.
THAT'S, UH, THE FIRST M PLUS ONE IN, IN THE CHART.
THAT'S A WAY THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT DEVELOPMENT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA GO IN SPECIFICALLY TO THOSE AREAS.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE CAN START TO LIMIT IT AND SAY THAT WE DON'T WANT THERE TO BE THE CHANCE OF A 500 UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING TO GO IN THERE.
SO TOM, TO YOUR POINT EARLIER, WE CAN STILL CONTROL THOSE THINGS WITHOUT CHANGING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE JUST NEED TO DO IT THROUGH THE ACTION ITEMS WE SEE HERE.
AND IF I'M JUST GOING TO USE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE, RIDGE PIPE ZONING EVALUATION IS AN AREA THAT YOU WANT TO SEE MOVE FORWARD FIRST.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR HERE IS WHAT, WHAT YOU WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH FIRST IN TERMS OF OUR ACTION ITEMS. AS WE TALKED ABOUT LAST YEAR, THE FIRST MEETING OF THE MONTH IS GONNA BE WE'RE, THIS IS HOW WE'RE GONNA TRACK.
THE FIRST MEETING OF THE MONTH IS GONNA BE LAND DEVELOPMENTS APPLICATIONS IN FRONT OF US IN FORMAL CONVERSATIONS WITH POTENTIAL APPLICANTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THE SECOND MEETING OF THE MONTH IS GOING TO BE WORKSHOP WHERE WE TALK ABOUT ZONING, TEXT AMENDMENTS OR THE OFFICIAL MAP OR THE RIGHT OF WAY MAP, THINGS LIKE THAT TO WHERE WE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT IS NOT SO MUCH HAVING AN APPLICANT HERE, IT'S MORE OF THINGS THAT WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M GONNA START SCHEDULING THINGS FOR THE YEAR.
IT'S NOT ALWAYS GONNA WORK OUT THAT WAY BECAUSE WITH THE MPC CLOCK AND EVERYTHING, WE'RE GONNA END UP HAVING TO HAVE A DEVELOPER ON FOR A SECOND MEETING OF THE MONTH.
IT'S JUST THE WAY IT'S GONNA WORK OUT.
BUT ONCE WE SORT OF COME UP WITH THE LIST OF THREE OR FOUR THINGS WE WANT TO HIT FIRST, STARTING AT THE SECOND MEETING OF FEBRUARY, WE'RE GONNA START TALKING ABOUT OR BRINGING DRAFTS IN AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? UM, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE.
I'M NOT SURE HOW, MY QUESTIONS TO YOU EARLIER WAS, I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT APPLIES.
WELL WITH THE ACTION ITEMS THAT WE HAVE LISTED HERE.
IF YOUR CONCERN WITH DEVELOPMENT IS THAT A DEVELOPMENT'S COMING IN THAT'S TOO BIG AND YOU DON'T WANNA SEE MORE OVERDEVELOPMENT, SOME OF THAT HAS GONE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT SOME OF THAT REALLY BOOTS ON THE GROUND.
HOW YOU GET IT TO NOT BE OVERDEVELOPED IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING.
SO THE, THE OFFICIAL ZONING LANGUAGE IS WHAT CONTROLS IT.
AS WE'VE ALWAYS SAID, THE COMP PLAN IS A POLICY DOCUMENT.
THE POLICY IS RIGHT NOW, THE TOWNSHIP'S POLICY IS TO REDEVELOP IN THOSE AREAS THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY EXISTS AND TO PRESERVE THOSE AREAS OF THE TOWNSHIP THAT AREN'T DEVELOPED.
PART AND PARCEL OF THAT IS THE ZONING THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT.
AND NOW WE NEED TO REWRITE THE ZONING IN THE TOWNSHIP TO MAKE SURE THAT IT REFLECTS THOSE THINGS.
SO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE A PORTION OF THE TOWNSHIP DEVELOPED TO THE EXTENT THAT IT
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POTENTIALLY CAN NOW, THEN WE NEED TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO FIX THAT.WE DON'T HAVE TO TOUCH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
NO, THE COMP LOOK, YOU, YOU CAN GO BACK AND FORTH AND AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO SAY EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY.
BUT RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE WE JUST ADOPTED IT, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO IS RIDGE PIKE ZONING IS, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY YOU, IF WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT RIDGE PIKE AND MAIN STREET AND THAT AREA DEVELOPS AND IT'S NOT DEVELOPED WITH 400 UNIT APARTMENT BUILDINGS, YOU EXPRESSED THAT TO ME AND WE MAKE SURE THAT WE, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WE WRITE THAT INTO THE TOPIC SO THAT IT'S NOT POSSIBLE.
THAT ISN'T THE FUTURE, BUT THAT'S, IT'S ON THE TABLE TODAY.
NO, CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
MY QUESTION TO JEFF TO KIND OF BRING UP THE SPEED.
WHEN I GOT HERE EARLIER, BEFORE OUR OTHER MEETING, I JUST SAID TO HIM, I SAID, JEFF, IS THERE A WAY, AND THIS IS A DISCUSSION BOB AND I HAD EARLIER THIS WEEK, WAS, IS THERE A WAY, KEVIN, JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE BIG HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS COMING INTO DETACHMENT, AGAIN, BIG.
AND UM, AND WE, BOB AND I WERE JUST WONDER, TALKING OUT LOUD, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A WAY TO WHAT'S LEFT OF THE PROPERTY? 'CAUSE NOT, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDER THAT HIGH, THAT HIGH, UH, PROPERTY.
WHAT THEY DID IS, OF COURSE THEY TOOK OVER A, UH, DEVELOPED THAT ALREADY WAS APPROVED.
THE SMALL, A LOT SMALLER ONES.
THEY BOUGHT IT UP AND ADDED A COUPLE OTHER PROPERTIES TO IT.
NOW THEY WANT TO BUILD 425 OAKS OR APARTMENTS.
UM, AND WHAT I ASKED JEFF, IS THERE A WAY WE COULD START SCALING THAT BACK A LITTLE BIT? OR WE, YOU KNOW, THE GUY THAT HAS FIVE ACRES AND HE WANTS TO SUBDIVIDE IT AND BUILD THREE HOUSES ON IT, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA BE, HAS A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
IT'S THESE 400, 300, 200 UNITS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE GOT THIS DISCUSSION.
AND WITH THE, THE ZONING EVALUATIONS, THE INTENT IS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE SUPERVISORS TO AMEND THE ZONING AMENDMENT OR WELL, THAT WOULD, THAT'S ONE CONCLUSION.
I MEAN, THE OTHER CONCLUSION IS THAT NO CHANGES ARE NECESSARY, LIKE THE WAY IT IS, I MEAN IT REALLY IS TO GO THROUGH EACH ZONING DISTRICT WITH A FINE TOOTH COMB AND SAY, YOU KNOW, DOES THIS REALLY APPLY TO THIS AREA ANYMORE? LIKE RIDGE PIKE.
THE RIDGE PIKE ZONING, JUST TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF PLANNING NERD BACKGROUND IS IT IS NEIGHBORHOOD CONVENIENCE COMMERCIAL THAT ZONING DISTRICT ALLOWS FOR ANYTHING FROM A QUARTER ACRE UP TO A THREE TO FIVE ACRE LOT.
AND DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE LOT DEPENDS ON THE INTENSITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL THOUGH.
RIDGE PIKE IS NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
HOW DO WE BETTER REFLECT WHAT IS A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR? IF WE EVEN WANTED TO REMAIN COMMERCIAL? IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE FROM TRAP AND THE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE FROM LIMERICK, IT'S RESIDENTIAL AND ANYTHING IN THIS TOWNSHIP OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS, AND PROBABLY FOR THE NEXT 10, IT'S GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL.
BUT DO WE WANNA HOLD THE LINE WITH IT? DOES THIS BOARD THINK HOLDING THE LINE WITH IT, WE WANT IT TO BE COMMERCIAL.
DO WE WANT IT TO BE RESIDENTIAL? DO WE WANT IT TO BE A HYBRID MIX? YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF THING.
AND IT COULD BE VERY MUCH AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY LOOK AT IT AND THEY SAY IT'S FINE THE WAY IT IS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE ANYTHING BUT WHAT IT IS.
BUT AT LEAST WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH IT.
AND THIS WAS PRECIPITATED BECAUSE THE, THE 400 AND SOMETHING UNIT BUILDING THAT CAME IN, WELL YEAH, THE LAST SIX MONTHS, THE STRAW THAT BROKE BACK, I MEAN THERE'S WHAT, UH, 500, ALMOST 600 HOMES DOWN IN THE OLD GERIATRIC CENTER.
I MEAN IF YOU, PART, PART OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S CONCERN IS IF YOU LOOK AT IT OVER THE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS QUEUED UP, WE PROBABLY HAVE SOME SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 1500 UNITS THAT ARE, THAT ARE POSSIBLE IN THIS TOWNSHIP.
UH, AND A LOT OF THEM, MOST OF THEM ARE MULTIFAMILY.
A GOOD PERCENTAGE OF THEM ARE TOWNHOUSES OR, OR SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED.
AND IT'S A CHANGE, IT IS DEFINITELY A CHANGE FOR THIS TOWNSHIP.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS COMING TO GRIPS WITH THAT.
WE'VE DONE IT SOMEWHAT WITH THE, WITH THE COMP PLAN, RECOGNIZING THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS STILL GROWTH GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE TOWNSHIP.
YOU CAN'T HAVE 4 22 BIFURCATING YOUR TOWNSHIP AND NOT HAVE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE ALL THE TIME, NO MATTER WHAT IT IS REDEVELOPMENT OR NOT.
BUT THAT THERE'S ALSO OPEN SPACES THAT WE DO NEED TO PRESERVE AND WE NEED TO GET OUT IN THE FRONT OF SO THAT TOWNHOUSE BUILDERS AND HOME BUILDERS AREN'T COMING IN THERE AND SHOWING UP WITH A PLAN AND GOING, WELL THIS IS BY RIGHT.
SO THAT WE'VE GONE OUT AND WE'VE MADE A PROACTIVE ATTEMPT TO BUY PROPERTIES AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE WANNA SAVE.
AND SO YOU ALL JUST FINISHED THE PLAN, UH, AND NOW YOU'RE ASKING US, JEFF, TO PRIORITIZE WHICH AREAS OF THE, OF EXECUTING ON THAT PLAN.
AND IT IS NOT, NOT JUST THIS ONE ISSUE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE LIKE 35
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ISSUES HERE.I MEAN, A WISE MAN POINTED IT OUT TO ME TODAY.
WHY DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER, YOU KNOW, ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
SO, AND WE HAVEN'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, BOB AND I TALKED, BOB AND I HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS OFFLINE, JUST OUR OPINIONS.
AND I THINK, I MEAN THE BOARD MIGHT SAY, HEY, WE'RE FINE WITH THE THE ZONING PLAN, LET'S MOVE FORWARD AND, YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE MAYBE A DEEPER DIVE INTO IT THAN WE HAD IN THE PAST.
I HAVE SOME RESPECT FOR THE EXISTING PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE.
AND WHEN THEY FOUGHT HERE, THEY DIDN'T EXPECT IT TO BE A CITY.
AND LEMME JUST GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
I HAD MY 4-YEAR-OLD SON OR GRANDSON, EXCUSE ME FOR THAT.
IN FACT, THAT MAY BE ALL FOR THE, DON'T SAY ANYTHING.
ANYWAY, UH, WE WERE TOURING THE, UH, UM, THE LANDSCAPE PLACE ON ONE 13.
WHAT'S IT CALLED NOW? HAS A NEW NAME.
BUT WE WERE, YOU KNOW, TOURING THE PLACE AND I, I DIDN'T RIGHT AWAY, BUT LATER I LOOKED UP AND I LOOKED DOWN TOWARDS PHILADELPHIA AND I SAW WHAT LOOKED LIKE THE PHILADELPHIA SKYLINE.
AND JUST FOR A SECOND I KNEW WHAT IT WAS.
SHORTLY AFTERWARD, IT WAS THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON DOWN AT BEHIND WHITEMAN.
I MEAN, IT, IT REALLY DOES FROM THAT POINT.
NOT ANYWHERE ELSE BUT RIGHT THERE.
UM, AND I THOUGHT, IS THIS REALLY WHAT WE WANT TO BE A CITY? WELL, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S MY SPEED.
AND KEVIN, I THINK WHAT YOU, YOU'LL FIND WE IMPROVED THIS PAST YEAR.
NOT, NOT IN TERMS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, IT JUST WAS, WE HAD A LOT OF BIG THINGS HAPPEN AND THEN THIS 425 UNIT WAS HIT ON US ON DECEMBER 4TH.
AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WAS EXPECTING THAT TO THAT DEGREE.
AND UM, SO WE JUST GOT, WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE NERVOUS THAT THEY GOT THAT FOUND A WAY TO TRY TO PUT A HOLD ON.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE TO DETERMINE THAT THIS, WHICH IS BOB AND I HAVING A CONVERSATION.
AND I THINK THE ISSUE IS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE EIGHT, EIGHT ITEMS ON THE VERY FIRST PAGE OF OUR ACTIONS THAT ARE ZONING RELATED MM-HMM
WHICH MEANS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT THOSE AREAS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE ZONE PROPERLY TODAY FOR GETTING ANY APPLICATIONS.
BUT THESE ARE AREAS AND WE WANT HIT 'EM OUT BEFORE THERE ARE APPLICATIONS.
THAT'S, IF YOU LOOK AT ZONING ORDINANCE, IT IS LIKE ANY OTHER ZONING ORDINANCE.
IT'S CERTAIN THINGS ARE, YOU KNOW, ADOPTED AS NEEDED AS AS DEVELOPMENT COMES IN AND SAYS, HEY LOOK, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO DO THIS AND ZONING DOESN'T CONTEMPLATE IT, AND HOW DO WE FIX THAT? AND IT'S SOMETHING EVERYBODY LIKES.
AND IT, IT IS, IT IS A PATCHWORK.
UM, BUT IT'S ALSO DESIGNED AND WRITTEN FOR A TOWNSHIP THAT HAS LARGE OPEN SPACES LEFT.
WE HAVE A FEW, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONCE HIGH GOES AND PARK HOUSE GOES, WE HAVE ONE PARTIAL THAT'S ABOUT 26 ACRES.
THAT'S THE OTHER SIDE OF ARCOLA ROAD FROM, FROM THE APARTMENTS.
THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF OUR LARGEST LAST PIECES.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING AMALGAMS AND, AND PUTTING THINGS TOGETHER.
THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT SET OF DISCUSSIONS, BUT RIGHT.
UM, THE IDEA IS THAT WE NEED TO WRITE OUR ZONING ORDERS TO BETTER REFLECT WHAT SHOULD AND IS APPROPRIATE FOR ALL OF THESE SMALLER PARCELS THAT ARE LEFT.
WELL, CERTAINLY BRIDGE PIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, THAT'S ONE TOO.
I MEAN FROM WHAT GREENWOOD DOWN TO THE SHOPPING CENTER THERE, THE ALDI'S OR WHATEVER, IT'S YES.
THAT'S, THERE'S A LOT OF REAL STAKES OVER THERE.
AND THAT'S, AS WE IDENTIFY IN, IN THE, DURING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS, THAT'S ONE OF THE HOT AREAS THAT IS, YOU KNOW, IF I'M PUTTING MY FINGER ON WHAT'S GONNA COME IN, THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA COME IN FAIRLY SOON.
IS IS THAT AREA JUST AS A, A SAME SUBJECT BUT A LITTLE BIT BACK, JEFF, I, I JUST HEARD RECENTLY, UH, WITHIN THE LAST MONTH OR SO, THAT AUTO ZONE WHO APPROACHED US YES.
HAS DECIDED TO MOVE INTO GLEN AND THEY'VE TAKEN OVER.
THEY'RE GONNA BUILD THERE AT THAT OLD BREWERY.
THE OLD, UM, BREWERY CASEY CAKE, PLEASE.
UH, NO, THE WHAT? THE OLD BAKERY? NO, THE OLD, UM, UH, BEER STRIPPER.
NEVER KNOW THAT, HUH? I DON'T SHOP OUT OF THE TOWN STRIP.
HOW WOULD I EVER KNOW THAT? AND I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THAT PROPERTY ON, UH, THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
AND I JUST WONDERED, DOES THAT, DO YOU THINK, I'M MEANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THIS? DO YOU THINK THAT WHEN, WHEN THEY CAME IN AND MET WITH US, DID WE MAKE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A LOT OF, DO YOU THINK WE MADE IT A LITTLE TOO DIFFICULT FOR THEM? NO, I, I THINK THE ISSUE THERE WAS THAT THEY WERE DEVELOPING THE ONE ACRE PARCEL THAT WAS SURROUNDED BY
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A 33 ACRE PARCEL.AND WE WERE TRYING TO TAKE, FROM A PROFESSIONAL STANDPOINT, WE WERE LOOKING AT TO SAY, WE UNDERSTAND YOU CAN DO THIS RIGHT HERE, BUT YOUR IMPACT AND YOUR CHANGE TO THE GREATER PARCEL NEEDS TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR DURING THIS PROCESS AS WELL.
AND SO OUR INSISTENCE THAT THE WAY THEY DO THEIR DRIVEWAY AND THE WAY THEY DO SOME OTHER THINGS, PARKING, PARKING MIGHT HAVE MADE IT VERY DIFFICULT ON THEM.
PARKING WAS A BIG ONE I REMEMBER.
SO YES, WE DID MAKE IT DIFFICULT ON THEM BECAUSE IDEALLY YOU WANT TO SEE THAT WHOLE, THAT WHOLE CENTER, THAT WHOLE PARCEL.
IF IT DEVELOPS AS A SHOPPING CENTER TO DEVELOP IN ONE UNIFORM FASHION, YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE IT PATCHWORK IN ONE GO IN AND THEN SOMETHING ELSE WILL GO IN AND BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, IT IS A HODGEPODGE OR A MESS, WHICH IS WHAT BRIDGE BIKE IS NOW.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE ONE, YOU MULTIPLE DRIVEWAYS AND THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO GET RID OF DRIVEWAYS ON RIDGE PI SO THAT WE, THE TRAFFIC IS BACK AND THEY HAPPEN TO BE ADJACENT TO THAT 50 FOOT RIGHTWAY.
THAT'S, I FORGOT ABOUT THAT TOO.
THAT WAS REALLY, I FORGOT ABOUT KICKER.
YEAH, I JUST HEARD THAT THEY, THEY WERE GONNA GO INTO THAT OLD BEER DISTRIBUTOR THERE ON RIDGE.
I GUESS THEY HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING YET, BUT, UM, SO, SO, SO WE, WE CERTAINLY, I THINK, AND I LIKE YOUR APPROACH, JEFF, IF WE DO THE, THE FIRST OF THE MONTH, THE SECOND OF THE MONTH, WE SPEND MORE TIME ON THIS.
I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD APPROACH.
'CAUSE I, YOU KNOW, AND I, I'LL RAISE MY HAND.
I DON'T THINK WE SPEND ENOUGH TIME ON IT.
AND YOU AND I TALKED, I DON'T THINK WE DID EITHER.
I, I THINK IF WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD, I THINK THE BEST FIRST THING TO DO IS THE RIGHT OF WAY.
MATT, WE DID TALK ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY, MATT.
WE'LL SEND ANTHONY FREE ON THAT TO GET THAT FINISHED UP.
AND THE OFFICIAL MAP WITH THE OFFICIAL MAP IS A DOCUMENT THAT THIS TOWNSHIP HAS THAT'S OUTLINED IN THE NPC THAT REALLY SORT OF MAKES A PICTURE OF WHAT ALL OF YOUR POLICIES ARE.
SO I WANNA PUT THAT AND GET THAT ADOPTED.
SO I'D LIKE TO DO THAT FOR THE FIRST TWO MONTHS WITH THE IDEA OF PICKING A ZONING DISTRICT AND STARTING WITH A ZONING DISTRICT, WHATEVER ZONING DISTRICT YOU WANNA START WITH.
DO YOU? WELL, I THINK, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO, TO TALK ABOUT SOME OTHER ISSUES.
NO, I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD IS AS A, UH, HIGH PRIORITY IS IDENTIFY AND IMPLEMENT HIGH CRASH AREA IMPROVEMENTS.
SORRY, THAT AGAIN, I, UH, THE SIXTH ITEM DOWN THE LIST CAN IDENTIFY, IMPLEMENT HIGH CRASH AREA IMPROVEMENTS.
AND IT IS EASY FOR ME TO SPEAK FOR HIM AND SAY, WE CAN GET THIS DONE NEXT WEEK.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S INVOLVED HERE.
BUT MY POINT IS, IS THAT THERE ARE SOME OF THESE, LIKE THAT WE IDENTIFY THIS I PRIORITY THAT WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO START TO GET SOME PEOPLE ASSIGNED TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THESE ISSUES.
I MEAN, AND IT'S EASY FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT SPECIFIC ONE.
WELL, LET'S TAKE THAT ONE FOR EXAMPLE, JOE.
SO IF WE, IF WE SAY, BECAUSE WE DID IDENTIFY IT AS A HIGH PRIORITY, RIGHT? SO IF WE SAY TO ANTHONY, OKAY, ANTHONY, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? AND WHAT ASSISTANCE DO YOU NEED FROM THE BOARD? WHAT WOULD YOU TELL ME? SO THE, THE HIGH PRIORITY, UM, SO THOSE INTERSECTIONS THAT WE IDENTIFIED AS HIGH INJURY NETWORKS, LIKE AREAS THAT ARE CONCERNED, UH, BASED ON THE DATA, THE TRAFFIC DATA THAT WE LOOKED AT.
SO WE HAD SUPPLEMENTAL PIECE OF THAT WAS IN THE APPENDIX OF THE COMP PLANT.
UM, THAT, THAT WAS LIKE THE SAFETY QUARTERS AND I, AND IDENTIFIED, I HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME FIVE QUARTERS THROUGHOUT THE TOWNSHIP THAT WE, YOU KNOW, JUST RUNNING SOME NUMBERS AND CHECKING DATA, RIGHT? WE, WE TARGETED AND THEY LOOK LIKE THERE ARE AREAS OF CONCERN THAT NEED FURTHER, UH, YOU KNOW, DEEP DIVE, I GUESS.
SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? A DEEP DIVE? WHAT WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IS, SO WE NOW HAVE LIKE CORRIDORS THAT ARE ISOLATED.
SO WE KNOW BLACKROCK ROAD, ASIA ROAD, ROUTE 29, RIDGE PIKE TOWNSHIP LINE ROAD ARE FLAGGED AS HIGH INJURY LOCATIONS BASED ON THE DATA THAT WE SAW.
HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE STATE ROADS? THEY'RE ALL, UH, ALL STATE ROADS.
SO IF WE DID, AND FORGIVE MY IGNORANCE, BUT IF WE PRIORITIZE THAT, HOW MUCH AUTHORITY DOES THE TOWNSHIP HAVE TO ACTUALLY ADDRESS THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE REPORT? SO WE, SO BEFORE WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANYTHING, SO WE, WE COULD LOOK AT AND IDENTIFYING AND DIVE IN CLOSER TO KIND OF LOOK AT THOSE CRASHES AND WHAT THEY MEAN, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY SIDE ANGLE, WHICH ARE THEY GEOMETRIC RELATED? ARE THEY HIGH SPEED RELATED VISIBILITY, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.
WE WOULD TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
AND THEN FROM, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THAT ANALYSIS SUGGESTS SOME, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS BEFORE WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE THEM, YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO GET AGREEMENT FROM THE BOARD, RIGHT.
AGREEMENT FROM YOU, FROM THE BOARD, AND THEN PRESENT THEM TO, TO PENDO.
SO IF THERE'S IMPACT TO STATE ROADS THEIR RIGHT OF WAY, WE COULD MOVE FORWARD AND SAY, HEY, WE
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WANT TO CHANGE LANES OR DO WHATEVER WITHOUT PEN.SO WE WOULD HAVE TO PREPARE LIKE A DOCUMENT, A MEMO, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE A DELIVERABLE FOR THEM TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, LOOK AT OUR ANALYSIS, READ OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THEN SAY, OKAY, WE AGREE TO 'EM.
AND THEN THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE IDENTIFYING HOW YOU MOVE FORWARD.
YOU KNOW, GRANT PURSUITS, WHAT GRANT MAKES SENSE, WHAT YOU COULD IMPLEMENT MAYBE WITHOUT A GRANT COST.
SO HOW CAN, WELL, YOU KNOW, BASED ON KEVIN'S QUESTION THOUGH, HOW DO WE CLOSE THIS ITEM? HOW DO YOU CLOSE IT? YOU, HOW DO WE SAY THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT ACTIVITY HAS TO HAPPEN FOR US TO SAY, OH, IT'S NOT, WE, WE'VE DONE ALL WE CAN DO TO, UH, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFY THESE.
WHAT, WHAT, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THE ONLY STEP THAT YOU'RE REALLY GONNA BE ABLE TO DO IS TO HAVE ANTHONY IDENTIFY WHAT THE SOLUTIONS ARE.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET 'EM IMPLEMENTED WITHOUT PENDO APPROVAL.
THE IMPLEMENTATION WOULD BE LIKE PHASE TWO, PHASE ONE WOULD BE, SO HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE CLOSE THIS ACTION? I KNOW SOME, SOME OF THESE MAY NEVER CLOSE TAKING SAY FIVE YEARS, BUT WHAT WE CAN DO, BUT WHAT WE CAN DO IS IF WE IDENTIFY THEM, PART OF WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS WHEN DEVELOPMENT COMES IN AND WE HAVE THESE THINGS IDENTIFIED, WE CAN WORK WITH DEVELOPERS TO PAY FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE GET PENDO TO BUY INTO.
WE GO TO PENDO, WE SAY, WE HAVE THIS DEVELOPMENT COMING IN, THIS DEVELOPER'S GOING TO HELP US DO A, B, AND C FOR THIS CORRIDOR ORDER.
SO WHAT, SO WHAT CAN ANTHONY DO TO CLOSE THIS ACTION ITEM SO THAT WE CAN GO TO ANY NEW DEVELOPERS OR
SO IDENTIFY AND STUDY THOSE AREAS TO DETERMINE WHAT THOSE SOLUTIONS WOULD BE.
PUT IT TOGETHER IN A MEMO, A REPORT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND YES, MAYBE IT MIGHT SIT ON THE SHELF FOR A COUPLE YEARS, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN REFER TO.
SO, SO IS ANTHONY COMMITTED TO DO THAT? AND WHEN, WELL, THIS IS PART OF WHAT YOU AS A PLANNING COMMISSION NEED TO VOTE ON.
IF THIS IS THE NUMBER ONE HIGH PRIORITY ITEM, I'M JUST, I'M JUST USING IT.
IF THIS IS THE NUMBER ONE HIGH PRIORITY ITEM THAT YOU WANT ANTHONY TO ACCOMPLISH, FIRST VOTE ON IT AND WE'LL DO IT.
JEFF DOES, IS DOES THIS REQUIRE AN AUTHORIZATION OF FUNDING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? OR HOW DOES THAT NO, THERE, THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MY DEPARTMENT HAS FUNDING.
IF WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT ANTHONY COMING UP WITH DESIGN PLANS AND THINGS THAT WERE EXPENSIVE, I MEAN, YEAH, WE CAN'T HAVE ANTHONY RUNNING OUT AND CHARGING US A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD.
YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S LIMITS TO THESE THINGS AND THERE'S DISCUSSIONS THAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN YOU PRIORITIZE IT.
SO, WELL THAT WE DID PRIORITIZE IT THOUGH, DIDN'T WE? WELL, THIS, THIS WAS I, OUT OF ALL THE HIGH PRIORITIES RECOMMENDATIONS, THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT IS, THAT HE IS THE LEAD ON.
OKAY, NOW YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE HANG ALL OF, AND HE'S, YOU KNOW, HE'S, HE'S YOUR BACKUP.
WELL, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THOUGH, JOE, IN TERMS OF, I'M, I'M TRYING TO GET TO HOW DO WE ACT, ACT ON THESE STATUTE ITEMS? WHAT, WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION NEEDS TO DO IS TELL US WHAT THEIR PRIORITIES, MR. PETERS, WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION NEEDS TO DO IS TELL US WHAT THEIR PRIORITIES ARE AND THEN NEXT MONTH WE'LL COME BACK WITH INFORMATION ABOUT IT AND WE'LL TELL YOU WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THESE ARE JUST ACTION ITEMS. THEY'RE REALLY JUST SORT OF GLOBAL AS WE WERE WRITING THINGS, PULLING THINGS OUT, GOING, OH YEAH, THIS NEEDS TO BE AN ACTION ITEM.
THIS NEEDS TO BE AN ACTION ITEM.
SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING WE NEED TO REEVALUATE THE PRIORITIES? NO, YOU, YOU, BECAUSE THERE ARE ALREADY ESTABLISHED NOW WHETHER THEY'RE WRONG, IT'S ANOTHER STORY.
BUT, BUT THAT THESE ARE THE HIGH PRIORITIES, THE MEDIUM PLUS MEDIUMS AND LOW, THE IDEA BEHIND THE, THE LANGUAGE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS IN THE FIRST YEAR, WE WILL TACKLE THE HIGH PRIORITY ITEMS. SO MY HOPE IS THAT OUT OF THE NINE OR HOWEVER MANY HIGH PRIORITY ITEMS THERE ARE, THERE ARE NINE TONIGHT.
YOU ASSIGN US ONE OR TWO OF THEM, AND BY NEXT MONTH WE WILL COME BACK AT THE SECOND MEETING OF THE MONTH AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT AN OFFICIAL MAP IS AND HERE'S WHAT OUR OFFICIAL MAP WAS AND HERE'S WHAT OUR OFFICIAL MAP IS GOING TO BE.
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT, AND WE'LL START TALKING ABOUT IT.
AND OKAY, SO, SO, SO LOOKING AT THE PRIORITIES HERE, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF HIGH ONES AT THE BOTTOM ARE THE WALKER TRACK AND THE BRIDGE PIKE ZONING EVALUATE, THAT'S MEDIUM PLUS.
WELL, THE WALKER, WELL THE WALKER TRACK IS A DONE DEAL, I PRESUME IT.
I MEAN THERE'S STILL SOME WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ON IT, BUT YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO KEEP THAT IN THE FOREFRONT.
AND THAT'S A LITTLE MORE ADMINISTRATIVE THAT'S BETWEEN JEFF AND THE SUPERVISOR.
YEAH, BUT WHAT, WHAT MY QUESTION IS, MY QUESTION IS, OR MY POINT IS BECAUSE WHAT I'M LEARNING FOR MYSELF NOW MOVING FORWARD, IS I THINK JUST LIKE, AND THAT WE HAD THAT AS A MEDIUM PLUS
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WAS THE RIDGE PIKE ZONING LOOKING AT THESE SEVEN ZONING AREAS, THESE SEVEN AREAS, AND MAKING SURE THERE'S ZONE RIGHT FOR WHAT OUR GOALS ARE.I LIKE, I LIKE THE HIGH IMPACT.
BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA CHANGE MAYBE 2, 3, 4, 5 YEARS AGO.
WELL, LOOK, I MEAN, YES, WE, WE HAVE THIS PRIORITY AND IF, IF YOU VARY FROM THIS LIST, THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, PLEASE NOT GONNA COME KNOCKING ON OUR DOOR AND TELL US THAT, TELL US THAT WE'RE DOING SOMETHING WRONG.
WELL, IT, IT REALLY IS YOUR LIST OF ACTION ITEMS. WHETHER YOU TAKE WHAT YOU THINK IS THE ABSOLUTE LOWEST PRIORITY AND STOMP YOUR FEET AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT I WANNA DO THIS YEAR.
OR THE ABSOLUTE HIGHEST PRIORITY YOU WANT TO DO THIS YEAR.
LOOK, AS LONG AS WE'RE WORKING OFF THIS LIST AND GETTING SOMETHING DONE, I THINK IT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS SO OLD THAT MOST OF YOU NEVER SAW THE MEMO THAT WOULD COME OUT EVERY YEAR.
WHAT WE ACCOMPLISHED FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, PREVIOUS ACTION ITEMS, IT JUST, WE WERE DONE BY THE TIME MOST OF YOU WERE ON.
I THINK BOB WAS ON THERE PROBABLY FOR A YEAR OR SO.
AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER THE MEMO OR NOT BOB, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A, I PUT OUT A MEMO SAYING THESE ITEMS ARE ALL DONE AND WE GOT TO THE POINT WHERE THERE WAS NOTHING LEFT TO WORK ON.
THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO BE IN FIVE TO EIGHT YEARS.
SO WHETHER IT SAYS HIGH PRIORITY OR MEDIUM PLUS RIGHT NOW, IT'S KIND OF BESIDE THE POINT, SIR, YOU, WE JUST GOTTA GET SOMETHING DONE AT LEAST.
SO, SO I'M, I'M THROWING OUT THERE THAT I WOULD, I'D LIKE YOUR IDEA OF STARTING WITH THE BRIDGE PIPE FOR INSTANCE.
I DON'T CARE WHERE WE START, BUT LOOKING AT THOSE SEVEN AREAS THAT ARE STILL DEVELOPABLE THE DEVELOPABLE AND, AND LOOKING AT THOSE AND SAYING, IS THAT THE PLAN WE WANT TO TAKE OUT OF THOSE THINGS? DO WE WANT THOSE TO BE, WE COULD TAKE THE MEDIUM OFF OF THAT RIGHT PIPE THING AND MAKING THE, AND I'LL SAY WE DON'T WANT ANY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IN THERE, BUSINESS ONLY.
I MEAN IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.
AND THEN LOOK AT WHATEVER YOU SAY IS THE NEXT ONE.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THE NEXT ONE IS WHEREVER.
LIKE I SAY, OKAY, NOW HOW DO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S ZONE CORRECTLY TO MEET OUR GOALS, WHATEVER OUR GOALS ARE.
SOME OF THE OTHERS ARE ALREADY HAPPENING ACTUALLY.
I MEAN, WELL I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER, I MEAN TO ME THAT IS BETWEEN PARKS AND REC AND JEFF.
WELL 'CAUSE EVERY TIME WE GET A NEW DEVELOPMENT, TWO HOMES AN EXPANSION OF, UH, THE BAPTIST CHURCH, I MEAN WHATEVER IT IS, WHERE ARE THE TRAILS GOING? WELL, AND, AND SO I, SO I UNDER, TO ME THAT SHOULD BE SUE'S AND JEFF'S PRIMARY.
SOME OF THESE ARE ONGOING, LIKE, LIKE THE TOWNSHIP WIDE TRAIL MASTER PLAN UPDATE.
WE'VE SAT DOWN AND TALKED TO BOB CAMPBELL OF CAMPBELL THOMAS, WHICH IS THE BRILLIANT TRAIL PLANNING FIRM IN THE, IN IN THE SOUTHEAST SECTION OF SOUTHEAST AREA OF PENNSYLVANIA.
THEY'VE DONE THE SCO RIVER CIRCUIT TRAIL.
I MEAN THEY, THEY'VE DONE ALL THE DRILLS IN THE AREA AND AS MUCH AS I TRUST ANTHONY AND JEN AND MYSELF, THE TRAIL PLANS WE HAVE HAVE GOTTEN US NOWHERE.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT GETTING A GRANT TO HAVE CAMPBELL THOMAS REDO OUR TRAIL MASTER PLAN.
THAT'S WHY IT'S KIND OF A MEDIUM PRIORITY.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WILL WORK ON AND SUSAN'S VERY INVOLVED WITH IT.
UM, I I THINK IF WE PICK A FEW THINGS OFF OF THIS LIST THAT ARE SHORT LIST ATTAINABLE, WHETHER THAT'S THE OFFICIAL MAP OR THE RIGHT OF WAY MAP.
'CAUSE WE DID HAVE SOME HOT DISCUSSION ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY MAP.
I KNOW TOM DOESN'T THINK THAT THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT SHOULD BE CERTAIN RIGHTS OF WAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S THE FIRST STEP AND WE JUST KNOCK A FEW THINGS OFF THE LIST.
AND A LONGER TERM ONE IS, IS ONE OF THE ZONING DISTRICTS, RIDGE, PIKE, WHATEVER IT IS, RIDGE PIKE IS PROBABLY THE AREA THAT'S GOING TO DEVELOP THE MOST.
SO WE GOTTA ADDRESS BEFORE WE GET AN APPLICATION.
YEAH, WE COULD GET AN APPLICATION FOR THAT EDDIE.
SO JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M FOLLOWING EVERYTHING.
THIS LIST IS A LIST OF ACTION ITEMS THAT YOU ALL PUT INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITHIN THAT PROCESS.
YOU PRESUMABLY VOTED ON THIS PRIORITIZATION.
YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A SET OF PRIORITIES FOR THE RESOURCES THAT YOU ALL HAVE AVAILABLE TO DO SOME OF THESE ACTION ITEMS. YOU CAN'T DO 'EM ALL THIS YEAR FROM US.
IT COULD BE, IF WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING, YOU'D HAVE THOSE NINE 'CAUSE THOSE WERE COMMITTED TO IN THE FIRST YEAR.
BUT YOU'RE ASKING US RIGHT NOW IF IT SHOULD REMAIN THOSE NINE OR NO, I'M MORE ASKING OF THE NINE, WHICH ONE DO YOU WANNA START WITH FIRST? OKAY, SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ONE PRIOR SPECIFIC ONE TO, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I CAN CERTAINLY DO MORE THAN ONE THING A MONTH.
BUT IT ALSO ALSO SOUNDS LIKE TO THE POINT OF BRIDGE, WE'RE NOT SURE ABOUT THAT.
THERE'S NO ZONING POLICE AND IF YOU WANT TO TAKE AN M AND MAKE IT A YEAH, NO ONE'S GONNA COME KNOCKING ON OUR DOOR SAYING THAT YOU'RE DOING THIS WRONG, DO THAT.
YOU KNOW, YOU MADE A JOKE JEFF, BUT ON A SERIOUS NOTE, HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK WE ACTUALLY COULD ACCOMPLISH ON A MONTHLY BASIS IF WE'RE
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SAYING ONE MEETING A MONTH, WE FOCUS ON SORT OF WORKSHOPS.WELL, SO IT NEED TO BE AT LEAST A STATUS CHECK.
I'M HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU THINK IT TAKES TO LIKE GET INTO THE ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS AND ANALYZE, YOU KNOW, FOR US HOW MUCH TIME? WELL, LIKE MY THOUGHT IS IF IF, IF YOU GAVE ME THE PRIORITIES OF THE OFFICIAL MAP AND RICH PIKE YEAH.
THEN BY NEXT MONTH I WOULD HAVE A DRAFT OF THE OFFICIAL MAP.
I BRING THE OLD OFFICIAL MAP AND I HAVE A DRAFT OF THE OFFICIAL MAP.
MM-HMM
TALK ABOUT WHAT'S THERE, TALK ABOUT WHAT'S ALLOWED THERE AND LET YOU MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND AS A PLANNING COMMISSION SO YOU'RE NOT READING THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND TRYING TO INTERPRET THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE.
SECOND MONTH WOULD BE YOU REACTING TO, YOU KNOW, WELL TOM DOESN'T REALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF AUTO ZONE BEING ALLOWED ON ON BRIDGE PIPE BECAUSE HE THINKS THERE'S TOO MANY OF 'EM, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE.
SO LET'S MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS CLEARED UP IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND SO WE START WITH DRAFT LANGUAGE WITH THAT AND CHANGING THAT.
SO YOU'RE PROBABLY TALKING FOR THE, THE, THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS ARE PROBABLY A, A TWO TO THREE MONTH PROCESS.
SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF, THE RIGHT OF WAY MAP THE OFFICIAL MAP.
UM, REVIEWING DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, A QUICKER TERM.
YOU SO, SO SOUNDS LIKE, UH, EVEN THOUGH IT, IT, WE GAVE A LOT OF THESE THINGS HIGH PRIORITY, UH, AS JOE NOTED, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER ZONING EVALUATION ITEMS RIGHT DOWN MEDIUM.
UM, AND, AND THE IDEA IS WE WANT TO GET OUT AHEAD OF ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE SHOULD WE THINK ABOUT BOARD MEMBERS, UH, MOVING SOME OF THESE ZONING DISTRICT EVALUATIONS AROUND.
THAT'S MORE, THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT.
I THINK THEY ALL NEED DISTRICT, RIGHT? AND, AND, AND WE NEED TO TAKE WHATEVER, TWO A MONTH OR ONE, WHATEVER IT IS AND SAY, OKAY, HOW DO WE WORK RIDGE PIPE DON'T LOOK LIKE IN 10 YEARS.
WE WANTED A 500 APARTMENT BUILDING AND JEFF ASKED US THAT ALREADY.
BUT YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW AS WE REALLY GAVE IT, WE WE DID NOT.
IT IS MORE GETTING INTO THE GRANULAR DETAILS OF EACH ZONING DISTRICT IN EACH AREA.
IF, IF OUR CONCERNS ARE OVERDEVELOPMENT IN OUR TOWNSHIP, CERTAINLY THAT'S BOB AND I JUST FROM OUR DISCUSSIONS, I, YOU GUYS CAN ATE THEN I THINK WE LOOK AT THAT, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE SEVEN ZONING THINGS AND SAY GUYS, WHAT DO WE WANT THIS TO LOOK LIKE IN 10 YEARS? OKAY.
NOW THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY FOR THOSE ZONING ISSUES ARE THE COMMISSION NUMBER ONE.
RIGHT? WELL, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, ULTIMATELY IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.
I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT MY POINT IS WHO'S GONNA DRIVE I THE EVENT? SO IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PDPC.
THAT'S WHERE I'M KIND OF GO BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAS TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY HERE.
WELL, YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A PLANNING COMMISSION IS HOLDING ME TO TASK TO MAKE SURE IT'S ALWAYS ALRIGHT, FINE.
THE NEXT MONTH YOU MAKE SURE THAT I'M NOT GOING, I DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH YOU'RE HOLDING ME TO TASK ON IT.
SO ARE WE SAYING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE PICKED ONE OR TWO OF THESE RICH BY OBVIOUS
LET'S, LET'S START WITH ONE ZONING DISTRICT.
WELL THEN LET'S STAY WITH THE HIGH PRIORITY ONE, WHICH IS ALREADY ON THE HYPER, WHICH IS RIDGE PIKE.
I THINK DOING THE RIDGE PIKE ZONING IS, IS A GOOD START.
SPACE RESERVATION BECAUSE WE WON'T HAVE ANY OPEN PROGRAM.
BY THE WAY, CAN I SAY THIS?
SO WHAT I HEARD A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, AND I'LL BE HONEST, I DIDN'T GET THROUGH ALL THE MASTER PLAN YET OR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT I DID THE DOCUMENT DUMP THE DAY AFTER HE WAS APPOINTED.
YOU GOT WAS I WAS AT A CONFERENCE LAST WEEK, SO I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, FLIPPING THROUGH.
I DO HAVE A 5-YEAR-OLD AND 3-YEAR-OLD, SO I GENERALLY CAN'T SLEEP AT NIGHT ANYWAY, BUT, UM, SO YOU HAVE ONLY A HANDFUL OF LARGE DEVELOPMENTS LEFT OR DEVELOPABLE? DEVELOPABLE LANDED.
THAT'S WHY SHE SAID DEVELOP DEVELOPABLE PARCEL.
THERE'S SEVEN, RIGHT? WELL, THERE'S SEVEN AREAS OF FOCUS IN THE, IN THE COMPLEX.
BUT SO THE, THE, IN ORDER TO GET AHEAD OF WHAT MIGHT COME IN FRONT OF US HERE RIGHT.
YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE REMAINING OPEN SPACE.
I HEARD YOU SAY OPEN SPACE PRESERVATION.
AND THEN IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF THE OTHER ONES ARE GONNA BE IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
IT'S OPEN SPACE AND IT'S ALSO OVER.
DO WE WANT ANOTHER 500? WHERE DOES THAT HAPPEN? LIKE WHICH OF THESE, WHICH OF THESE CASES? WELL SEE THE ISSUE IS THAT IT CAN HAPPEN, NOT IT CAN'T AND THAT IT'S NOT THAT IT CAN HAPPEN IN ANY DISTRICT.
IT'S THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THESE DISTRICTS AREN'T
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PUT THESE AREAS, WHETHER THAT'S RIDGE PIKE ZONING OR THE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUAL DISTRICTS THAT WE HAVE LISTED, THE RESIDENTIAL INDUSTRIAL INTERCHANGE OFFICE, ALL OF THOSE OTHER ONES THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE ZONED CORRECTLY.SO YOU GOTTA GET IT BEFORE IT HAPPENS.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS RIGHT BEFORE IT HAPPENS, WHERE WILL IT HAPPEN FIRST? I, I, IF I KNEW THAT I WOULD BE A HAPPY MAN, I DON'T CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, I DON'T HAVE THE ZONING MAP IN FRONT OF ME, BUT LIKE THE POTENTIAL OF BIG REDEVELOPMENTS COMING INTO THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE PRIMARILY TALKING ABOUT LARGE RESIDENTIAL.
WHAT WE'RE SEEING, WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW COULD HAPPEN IN THE TOWNSHIP.
AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WITH THIS 4 25.
THERE'S, LIKE JEFF SAID, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF 4, 3, 200 ACRE PROPERTIES LEFT IN THE TOWN.
BUT WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT, THE DEVELOPER CAME IN AND BOUGHT UP A LOT OF LITTLE PIECES MM-HMM
WHICH IS WHAT IS, IF IF ANYTHING IS TO HAPPEN ON RIDGE PIKE ON MAIN STREET, THAT'S WHAT'S LIKELY TO HAPPEN UP THERE BECAUSE IT'S A BUNCH OF SMALL PARCELS THAT ARE OLDER HOMES AND PEOPLE WHEN THEY GO TO SELL CERTAINLY AREN'T SELLING THEM FOR ACTUAL HOUSES.
THEY'RE BECOMING, AND WHAT I'M SAYING, TRY TO TRY TO CONTROL THAT BEFORE WE GET A DEVELOPER COME IN HERE RIGHT.
AND START SHOVING IT DOWN OUR THROAT AND WE CAN'T STOP THEM.
SO IS IS IT THEN RIDGE PIKE RESIDENTIAL AND OPEN SPACE? ARE THOSE, I GUESS I'M KIND OF, IT COULD BE.
BUT I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S FAIR.
I MEAN, UH, INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, I MEAN YEAH, THAT'S IMPORTANT, BUT I MEAN IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED WITH THE ALARMING, ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY DOESN'T FIT IN HIERARCHY THAT WE DON'T THINK FIT FOR THE TOWNSHIP.
IT REALLY FALLS INTO THOSE KINDS OF, UH, CATEGORIES OF, OF, OF THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, UH, RIDGE PIKE, I MEAN ALL YEAH, WHATEVER.
I MEAN, I THINK ALL, EVEN THE INDUSTRIAL THING IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THERE NOW, WHAT LANE'S AVAILABLE AND WHAT WE'RE WILLING TO SAY, OKAY, IF SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH A PLANE, WE'RE WILLING, WE DON'T WANT, BECAUSE THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT A STEEL MILL GOING IN THERE.
THERE ARE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS THAT DON'T APPEAR TO BE DEVELOPABLE FOR QUOTE RESIDENTIAL STUFF.
BUT WHO, WELL, LET'S USE PBO AS AN EXAMPLE.
WHERE'S THAT? LEWIS AND VAUGHN, THE TOWNHOUSES ARE GOING IN LEWIS AND VAUGHN.
YOU REMEMBER LEWIS AND VAUGHN WHERE WE, WE JUST WENT THROUGH WITH THE, THE, THE LEWIS ROAD RESIDENTIAL WHEN IT WAS ZONED PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS OFFICE.
BUT, AND I DIDN'T SEE IT, NO ONE REALLY SAW IT, BUT THERE WAS AN ALLOWANCE FOR TOWN HOMES IN THERE.
THE IDEA WAS THAT YOU PUT OFFICE ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND TOWNHOUSES ON THE SECOND FLOOR WHEN THE DISTRICT WAS WRITTEN.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY THAT IT WAS WRITTEN.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID NOW IS, IS AREAS THAT ARE EXACT PBO DON'T BECOME, WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE SURPRISES.
TOWNHOUSES, AND THAT'S WHAT, AND THAT, AND KELLY HASN'T SAID EXACTLY.
KELLY STEVENS THE, THE SUPERVISOR HAS SAID EXACTLY THE SAME THING TO ME.
SHE'S LIKE, WE NEED TO GET THROUGH AND GET RID OF THE SURPRISES AND THINGS IN HERE.
SO IF, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE STARTING WITH RICH PIKE, WE WILL WORK ON, I'LL WORK ON THAT.
DO YOU NEED A MOTION ON THAT? NO, I THINK JUST CONSENSUS IS FINE.
I I THINK THAT'S A GOOD START.
JUST SEE WHERE IT ALL TAKES US.
AND THAT HAS TO BE DONE ANYHOW.
SO LET'S START THERE AND SEE WHERE IT TAKES US.
AND IT, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO WORK ON THE OFFICIAL MAP AND THE RIGHT OF WAY MAP.
I THINK THOSE ARE JUST TWO TECHNICAL DOCUMENTS THAT WE NEED TO GET PERFECT CLEANUP.
SO IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, THAT'LL BE OUR, OUR PUSH FOR THE FIRST QUARTER.
THAT WOULD BE THE FEBRUARY, WHATEVER.
NO, TRUST ME, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE OPEN SPACE PROGRAM IS, IS ONGOING.
AND THEN THE TOWNSHIP IS LOOKING AT SOME PROGRAMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE SORT OF HAPPENING IN THE BACKGROUND, EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY NOT NECESSARILY KNOW ABOUT, BUT THEY ARE STILL A PRIORITY IF, IF NOTHING ELSE, THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS WERE CLARIFIED A LOT OF PRIORITIES FOR A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS IN THE TOWNSHIP.
BUT, BUT THE OPEN, THE OPEN SPACE ISSUE IS REALLY BETWEEN JEFF AND THE COURT OF SUPERVISORS AS WELL.
THE, THE FUNDING OF IT IS, THERE'S GOING TO BE A POINT TO WHERE THIS PLANNING COMMISSION IS GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS ON WHAT OPEN SPACE PRIORITIES WE HAVE.
WHAT UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE, WE WANT SOMETHING TO BE OPEN SPACE.
IF, IF YOU'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD, YOU COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT THEY COULD FINANCE PURCHASING A PROPERTY OR THAT THEY DO SOME OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT WELL THEN ASSIGN US SOME RESPONSIBILITY THERE AS WELL.
YOU, WELL HERE'S MY, HERE'S I, OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS EVERYTHING.
EVERYTHING ENDS UP BEING THE SUPERVISORS IN THE WELL THEN, BUT HERE'S WHERE I THINK OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS, AND I WAS JUST GONNA ASK JEFF THAT RESPONSIBILITY IS BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT WE DO GOES TO SUPERVISOR SHOOT IT DOWN.
SO DO WE, I'M SAYING OUR RESPONSIBILITY MAY BE,
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AND I I ASKED YOU JEFF, CAN WE TALK TO THE, CAN WE HAVE A MEETING WITH THE SUPERVISORS AND TELL 'EM WHERE OUR THOUGHTS ARE AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE TRYING TO CONTROL EXPANSION OPEN SPACES AND, AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT BOARD.'CAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT ON BOARD, WE'RE WASTING OUR TIME.
WELL, AND ALSO YOU CAN, WE CAN SCHEDULE YOU, TOM, FOR SOME TIME AT THE BOARD MEETING TO COME IN AND I THINK THE BOARD WOULD APPRECIATE THAT TO HAVE SOME AT THEIR NEXT BOARD MEETING OR THEIR MARCH BOARD MEETING.
WELL, COULD WE DO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH THEM? THAT'S, THAT'S HER INTERPRETATION THAT I DON'T, I NO, I I'M NOT SURE THE, THE ISSUE WITH, WITH EXECUTIVE SESSIONS ARE THEY HAVE TO BE LEGAL OR THEY HAVE TO BE REAL ESTATE OR THEY HAVE TO BE PERSONNEL.
I DON'T KNOW IF, OKAY, WELL OUR, PER OUR POLICY DETERMINATION AT THIS LEVEL FALLS UNDER THOSE LEGAL DETERMINATION.
THAT'S A QUESTION FROM GENERAL OR Z WHEN THEY'RE BACK IN HERE.
WELL, I, I THINK, I THINK, TOM, YOU'RE RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, IT'D BE GOOD THAT WE'RE ALL TOGETHER YEAH.
WELL, WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THEY'RE HAVE THE SAME VISION WE HAVE.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, EITHER WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WAY OFF BASE OR THEY SAY, OH, GO, GO.
YEAH, WE WANT, WE WANT THAT TOO.
WELL THEN WHY DON'T WE, FOR THE NEXT MONTH, WHY DON'T WE COME UP WITH, AND MAYBE I'LL SKETCH OUT SOME LANGUAGE FOR YOU TO USE AS A BASIS.
I CERTAINLY WON'T PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT AN OUTLINE OF THINGS THAT YOU COULD TALK ABOUT AT THE, AT THE FRONT OF THE BOARD.
WE CAN RUN IT BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
AND THEN WE CAN SCHEDULE YOU FIVE, 10 MINUTES DURING AN AGENDA.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE PART OF THE PUBLIC CONVERSATION.
YOU WOULD JUST BE ON THE AGENDA.
SO BILL HAD TO DO THIS FOR THE EAC ONCE WHAT, TWO MONTHS AGO? THREE MONTHS AGO? OR WHAT? IN FRONT OF THE BOARD.
YOU CAME AND SPOKE IN FRONT OF THE BOARD ABOUT WHERE SORT OF WE ARE AND WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO I, I THINK FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DO THAT WOULD BE EXCEPTIONAL.
I, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK WE, I THINK AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS AND WE START MAKING DECISIONS ON SOME OF THE ZONING QUESTIONS, I THINK WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THE, THE SUPERVISOR ARE ON BOARD WITH IT.
BECAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT, THEN WE'RE PROBABLY NOT HEADING THE RIGHT LANGUAGE.
WE GOTTA SHIFT OUR PRIORITIES.
IF THEY'RE SAYING WE WANT OPEN DEVELOPMENT, THEN WE GOTTA SHIFT, SHIFT OUR PRIORITIES.
THE THING WE GOTTA REMEMBER, NOTHING IS BULLETPROOF.
NO MATTER WHAT WE COME UP WITH FOR OUR PLAN, EVERY DEVELOPER IS SCHEMING WITH WHO THEY CAN BUY ANOTHER EIGHT ACRES OVER HERE.
THE BUT WITH HIS 10 ACRES HERE, I MEAN, THEY'RE DOING THAT ALL THE TIME.
BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT CAN WE CURTAIL THAT? WE CAN CERTAIN SHOT AT LEAST SOME LANGUAGE WE PUT IN OUR, IN OUR, IN OUR ZONING TEAM.
AT LEAST THEY KNOW WHAT THE OPPOSITION IS OR WHAT THE POSITION WE'RE STARTING FROM AND THEY NEED TO, YOU KNOW, COME FORWARD WITH JUSTIFICATION THAT SAYS, SO YOU GUYS REALLY, WE SLOW DOWN.
SO WE, I THINK WE SPEEDED HIM UP, FOR EXAMPLE, I KNOW YOU VOTED AGAINST, AGAINST APPROVING A, A PLAN THAT WE NEVER SAW UNTIL THAT NIGHT.
AND THAT WAS A GOOD ARGUMENT, BOB, BUT MY ARGUMENT AGAINST THAT WAS THAT WE CAN'T REALLY MOVE FORWARD UNTIL WE SEE WHAT, WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
YOU WERE GIVEN THAT PLAN ABOUT SIX WEEKS BEFOREHAND.
SO THE, THE PLANS ARE IN THERE, SO WHETHER OR NOT YOU CHOOSE TO LOOK AT THEM IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
WELL, AND LEMME JUST SAY SOMETHING TO THAT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, JEFF MAKES A GOOD POINT AND, AND I THINK WE'RE ALL GUILTY OF IT.
THAT'S KEVIN AND I'M SURE JOE TOO,
BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES I THINK WE PUSH SOME OF THIS STUFF THROUGH PRETTY QUICKLY AND, AND, AND, AND MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T THERE, THE, MY MODUS OF OPERANDI, OR THE WAY I WORK IS THE DAY I GET THE APPLICATION, THE DAY I APPROVE THE APPLICATION, FROM MY STANDPOINT, FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE STANDPOINT, YOU ALL GET IT RIGHT AND THEY GET IT.
AND THEN ONCE WE GET TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND ONCE THEY'RE GONNA BE ON AN AGENDA, YOU GET IT A SECOND TIME.
BUT THE SECOND PACKET, WHICH IS THE PACKET YOU GET WITH THE AGENDA THAT COMES OUT WITH THE LINKS AT THE BOTTOM THAT HAS ALL OF THE REVIEW LETTERS IN IT.
AND I'LL ADMIT, I PROBABLY NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF GOING THROUGH THE APPLICATION AND PUTTING A SEPARATOR SHEET BETWEEN REVIEWS, UH, FROM THE FIRST PLAN AND THE SECOND PLANS, JUST SO IT'S A LITTLE EASIER FOR YOU TO GET THROUGH.
AND I'LL TRY TO START DOING THAT WITH, WITH THE, THE DISTRIBUTION PACKET.
UM, BUT YOU, IF, IF YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE INFORMATION IN A TIMELY MANNER, PLEASE TELL ME.
I WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE FIGURE OUT A WAY.
AND EVEN IF YOU DON'T WANNA LOOK AT IT ELECTRONICALLY, LET ME KNOW.
I CAN ALWAYS REQUIRE A SECOND PLAN AND I CAN ALWAYS HAVE ONE DELIVERED TO YOUR HOUSE, WHETHER IT'S ME DELIVERING IT, I MEAN, I GOTTA GO OUT WAY OUTTA MY WAY TO GET ONE TO BOB.
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YOU KNOW,BUT I CAN ALWAYS GET A PLAN TO YOU, A PHYSICAL COPY OF A PLAN IF YOU DON'T LIKE LOOKING AT IT ELECTRONICALLY.
I TAKE MY EXPERIENCE IN THIS FROM OUR CONGRESS.
I LIKE TO VOTE YES ON SOMETHING AND THEN READ IT AFTER.
SO YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S MY PLAN.
LET, LET'S, LET'S JUST VOTE YES.
PASS IT THROUGH AND THEN WE'LL REDO IT.
SPEAKING OF READING SOMETHING LATER, LET'S, I DON'T WANT BELABOR THIS POINT ANYMORE.
ARE WE GONNA PLAN THOUGH ON THAT? SO THE LAST THING IS, JOHN, I'M SORRY, JUST RECAP THE, UH, RIGHT AWAY MAN.
BRIDGE PIKE ZONING WAS A NUMBER ONE PRIORITY AND RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT ZONING IS, WAS NUMBER TWO.
AND YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ELSE.
OPEN PRESSURE ION PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT IS A DISCUSSION WITH TOM AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
AND WORKING ON THE
WELL, I DIDN'T BRING IT UP PERSON.
WE ALL AGREE THAT, THAT THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S TODAY'S PERSPECTIVE.
SO, AND THE NEXT MEETING WE'LL TACKLE SOME OF THOSE AND THAT WOULD BE THE SECOND MEETING, NOT THE NEXT MEETING.
WE'LL GET TO WHAT MEETING IT IS COMING UP IN A LITTLE BIT.
OTHER PRIORITIES? WELL, WE DO HAVE, YEAH, SO
OH, I THOUGHT WE HAD UH, MILLION.
OH, WE'LL GET TO THAT IN THE NEXT PART.
THE OTHER PORTION HERE IS THE, THE ANNUAL REPORT.
THE MUNICIPALITY'S PLANNING CODE HAS A REPORTING REQUIREMENT THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS SUPPOSED TO GIVE AN ANNUAL REPORT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BY MARCH 1ST.
I'VE ALWAYS TAKEN THAT AND SORT OF DONE THAT IN THE BACKGROUND.
REALLY JUST SORT OF PROVIDING A LIST OF THIS IS WHAT YOU'VE APPROVED THIS YEAR.
THIS YEAR I DECIDED, AND I WAS ALSO HOMESICK AND HAD TO KILL SOME TIME AND WENT THROUGH WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL AND SOME SUMMARY OF, OF EXACTLY WHAT WE, WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR AND WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY THINGS WE APPROVED, HOW MANY UNITS WE APPROVED, THE ZONING HEARING BOARD.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT YOU GUYS HEAR ENOUGH ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS AT THE ZONING HEARING BOARD.
I NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF TELLING YOU MOST OF THE APPLICATIONS LAST YEAR WERE FENCES AND IN-LAW SUITE.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S REALLY PLANNING AND ZONING RELATED, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD BE AWARE OF.
UM, SAME THING WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
A SUMMARY OF WHAT I THINK THE OUTLOOK FOR 2025 IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THESE, THESE THINGS ALREADY QUEUED UP, THESE SIX DEVELOPMENTS ALREADY QUEUED UP AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ANTICIPATE THAT PARKHOUSE, THE 7 81 SOUTH TRAP ROAD, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO START CALLING EMORY MANOR.
UM, WHAT IS, WHAT'S THAT 7 81 SOUTH TRAP ROAD.
IT, EMORY MANOR WILL BE THE OTHER NAME.
AND THEN TO BOB'S QUESTION EARLIER, I HAD A MEETING WITH GEORGE FOR BAPTIST MISSION FIRST HOUSING THIS WEEK.
THEY ARE MOVING THAT FORWARD WITH ABOUT 40 UNITS.
THEY HAVE SOME ZONING WORK TO DO.
THEY HAVE SOME OTHER WORK TO DO ON THEIR PLAN, BUT THEIR INTENT IS TO STILL MOVE THAT FORWARD.
THEY WERE AWARE OF ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD AT THE LAST MEETING.
THEY TRIED TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE FOR, YOU KNOW, THEY TOLD ME WHAT THEIR ANSWERS WERE.
I SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU EXPRESS THOSE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE THE ONES ASKING THE QUESTIONS.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THEY STILL HAVE TO PROVIDE TO US.
BUT THAT IS STILL ONE MOVING FORWARD.
AS YOU ASKED HER, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT MEETING THAT WE HAD WHEN THEY PRESENTED TO US IS GONNA BE TRAFFIC.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING IF WE WANTED TO GET A HEAD START ON IT, RIGHT.
AND WE KNOW WHAT THE, THAT CIRCLE WELL TRAFFIC IS WHAT MY, MY ISSUE WITH THAT WAS SPACE.
I JUST DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE BACK THERE.
NOW, MAYBE THEY'RE DOWNSIZING.
WHAT THEY'RE, THEY, THEY, THEY, THEIR BANK ACCOUNT IS A LITTLE BIT LOWER NOW.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S LOW ENOUGH FOR YOU, BUT IT IS LOWER.
AND, UM, IT IS, YOU KNOW, THERE IS, UM, THERE ARE SOME CHANGES THAT THEY'VE MADE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CO-MINGLING OF THE TWO USES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT AGAIN, THEY STILL HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO AND THEY'RE GONNA WORK ON IT.
BUT IT IS, THEY HAVEN'T PUT AN APPLICATION IN YET.
THEY HAVE NOT PUT AN APPLICATION IN YET.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT AGAIN, THIS JUST GOES THROUGH THE DETAIL OF, OF, OF WHAT WE'VE APPROVED, YOU KNOW, OF WHAT HEARINGS WE HAD, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, SAME THING WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
I DON'T THINK I DO A GOOD ENOUGH JOB OF EXPRESSING TO YOU WHEN THE BOARD ACTUALLY APPROVES SOMETHING.
YOU JUST KNOW ABOUT IT WHEN YOU EITHER HEAR ABOUT IT 'CAUSE IT'S CONTROVERSIAL OR YOU SEE THE NEXT LEVEL OF PLAN COME IN.
SO I NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF DOING LIKE A BOARD RECAP ONCE A MONTH, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW.
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, JUST, YOU KNOW, AS, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CAN DO BETTER AND WHAT NEEDS TO, HOW THINGS, HOW WE CAN
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WORK BETTER.UM, SO I WOULD LIKE A MOTION TO SORT OF MOVE THIS TO, TO MOVE THE, THE ANNUAL REPORT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT IT SAYS.
I REALIZE YOU JUST HAD IT TONIGHT.
THE SUMMARY OF THE FIRST TWO PAGES ARE PROBABLY THE PRIORITY.
AGAIN, IT'S JUST, I'LL RECAP PAGES THREE THROUGH SIX ARE A RECAP OF EVERYTHING.
I MEAN, YOU COULD LOOK AT PAGE THREE WHERE IT GOES EACH MEETING, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT YOU MADE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR WHAT YOU HAD INFORMAL DISCUSSIONS OF WHAT TEXT AMENDMENTS, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, YOU, UM, YOU, YOU MADE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR AND UM, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY UNITS, YOU KNOW, EACH ONE OF THOSE THINGS HAD.
SAME THING WITH THE ZONING HEARING BOARD AND THEN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
REALLY, THIS IS JUST GONNA SORT OF GO INTO A FILE, BUT IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, I WOULD LIKE A MOTION TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU RECOMMEND WE MOVE IT FOR THE BOARD SUPERVISOR.
SHOULD, UH, DO WE NEED TO REVIEW IT FIRST OR IF YOU WANNA REVIEW IT AND THEN DO THAT NEXT MONTH, YOU'RE, YOU ARE WELCOME TO.
THERE'S, IT'S NOT PART
BUT YOU OKAY WITH THIS AND, AND THE DOCUMENT THAT JEFF HAS PROVIDED WITH YOU MOVING IT TO SUPERVISORS AS OUR ANNUAL OR, OR IF YOU WANNA WAIT AND READ IT.
WELL, I MEAN, YOU JUST GIVE IT TO HEY REALLY JUST GOES IN IT GOES, GOES IT GOES.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A FORMAL PRESENTATION.
IF THEY WANT ME TO TALK ABOUT IT AT THE BOARD MEETING, I COULD, BUT I USUALLY WE DON'T.
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS.
IT LOOKS ACCURATE SO EVERYBODY OH, IT'S ACCURATE.
THE MOST YOU COULD DO IS GET MORE WORDY, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE NOBODY'S GONNA READ IT IN SO, WELL THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
UM,
ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND, UH, TO MOVE THIS FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AS JEFF HAS PRESENTED IT.
UM, RIGHT NOW JUST TO RUN THROUGH, IF YOU PULL UP TO YOUR, YOUR AGENDA, AMELIA STREET HAS SOME WORK TO DO.
THEY'RE, UM, I THOUGHT THEY WERE READY.
WELL, THEY WERE UNTIL THEY WEREN'T.
AND NOW, UM, HEY YOU, JEN, DID YOU DO SOMETHING TO THEM MAYBE
UM, LOVER'S LANE, WE DON'T HAVE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT GETTING, UM, SOME COMMENTS BACK FROM MONTGOMERY COUNTY CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE REVISING THEIR PLAN.
SO WE'RE WAITING FOR A REVISED PRELIMINARY PLAN FOR THEM.
WHO USED THAT APPROVAL FROM WHO? MM-HMM.
NOT APPROVAL, JUST COMMENTS FROM MONTGOMERY COUNTY CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
I MEAN, THEY, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOME OUTSIDE AGENCY BACKUP FOR THEIR PLAN AND THEY'RE GONNA, THEN THEY NEED TO DO SOME REVISIONS.
SO HOW ABOUT, HOW ABOUT THE COMPANY COUNTY'S MAINTENANCE BUILDING? THEY FINALLY GOT IT DONE THAT ON THE AGENDA EIGHT, NINE YEARS AGO.
THEY'RE NOT GETTING DONE, DONE.
UM, SO YOUR KEY STATION AND 1 72 HOPWOOD ROAD, THOSE FINAL PLANS, THEY'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH IT.
THE CONVERSATION I HAD WITH JIM AND, AND ANTHONY AND EVEN THEIR ATTORNEY IS THEY'RE, THEY'VE, THEY'RE PLOWING THROUGH OUTSIDE AGENCY STUFF AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE WORKING TOWARDS GETTING THINGS FINALIZED.
SO HOPEFULLY THIS YEAR
THAT'S BEEN FOUR YEARS, I BET YOU AT LEAST, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, I DID RECEIVE A REVISED PLAN WITH LESS UNITS.
UM, I'M KIND OF WAITING FOR THE BOARD REACTION TO SEE IF THEY'RE EVEN COMFORTABLE WITH ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE LEASE BECAUSE THAT'S, THERE'S A LEASE ISSUE THAT, THAT SORT OF PRECLUDES DEVELOPMENT THERE.
SO WE HAVE TO SORT OF WORK THROUGH THAT.
HOW COME I DON'T REMEMBER THAT ONE IN THE, IN THE WHICH BOARD? I'M SORRY? IS IT THE, UH, FOR PREFERENCE BOARD? YES.
I DON'T THINK EVER, I DON'T THINK IT EVER CAME BEFORE US BECAUSE WE GOT PLANS IN YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER SEEN THAT.
AND THEN WE IDENT WE, THE ISSUE IS ONE 40 WHITAKER IS THE OLD MONTCLAIR SCHOOL.
BACK IN 1985 OR SO, THERE WAS A LEASE AGREEMENT THAT SAID THE TOWNSHIP, THEY, THEY HAD TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE UNDER A 99 YEAR LEASE AND THEY HAD TO PROVIDE A, A PLAYGROUND FACILITY.
SO IF YOU DRIVE BY ONE 40 WHITAKER, THERE'S A LOVELY, HE'S JOKING.
YES, IT IS PROBABLY TETANUS, BUT, UM, IT, IT IS A, THERE'S A PLAYGROUND FACILITY THERE.
IT'S A HORRIBLE, BUT THEY NEED THE LETTER OF THE, OF THE LEASE.
SO THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS THE ONLY RENTER FOR THIS PROFESSIONAL
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BUSINESS OFFICE USE THAT'S IN THE OLD SCHOOL.AND THE QUESTION IS, IN THE LEASE IT SAYS THAT YOU CAN BREAK THE LEASE AND EXPAND THE PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS OFFICE, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL.
AND THE ISSUE IS THEY'RE ASKING FOR RESIDENTIAL, MUCH LIKE LEWIS ROAD ASKED FOR RESIDENTIAL.
SO THEY CAME IN WITH 60 UNITS, CAME TO THE BOARD, THE BOARD EXPRESSED NO INTEREST IN BREAKING THE LEASE, THEREFORE NOT THE 60 UNITS WASN'T FEASIBLE.
THEY'VE COME BACK WITH A LOWER AMOUNT NOW AND SOME RECONFIGURATION OF THE PROPERTY.
AND I'M KIND OF WAITING FOR THE BOARD TO SAY WE DON'T CARE.
AND YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE IT FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
WE WILL SEE IT EVENTUALLY, BUT WE'RE NOT SEEING IT RIGHT AWAY.
WHAT KIND OF NUMBERS ARE THEY COMING DOWN TO? ROUGHLY? I THINK IT WAS 45 NEVER.
AND THEN 1201 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD.
JEFF, JUST REALLY QUICK, THE, THE LEASE IS, SO IT'S, IT'S TOWNSHIP OWNED LAND THAT IS A NINE NINE YEAR LEASE? NO, IT, IT IS PRIVATELY OWNED LAND WITH A 99 YEAR LEASE ON IT.
SO WHO'S THE LESSEE AND THE LESSOR? WE HAVE, WE ARE THE LESSEE.
THE PROPERTY, THE, THE, THE, IT'S AN ENGINEERING COMPANY IS THE, THEY, THEY, THEY HOLD THE LEASE.
WE'RE NAMED IN THE LEASE AS BEING, AS ALLOWING TO USE THE PROPERTY AND IT'S FOR 99 YEARS FOR OPEN SPACE.
BUT IT, THE LEASE BASICALLY, IF WE DON'T, WE'RE A SIGNERS TO THE LEASE THAT SAYS THEY WILL KEEP IT AS OPEN SPACE FOR NINE, NINE YEARS AT 3.65 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE.
NOT THAT THEY WILL KEEP IT, BUT 3.65 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE WITH A PLAYGROUND FOR NINE, NINE YEARS.
AND WE'RE NOW THE ONLY USE EXPANSION BEING THE OFFICE USE.
BUT THE ONLY USE EXPANSION BEING THE OFFICE USE.
SO, AND NOW THEY'RE, BUT HE WANTS, THIS GUY WANTS TO, NOW HE WANTS TO SELL IT BECAUSE HE CAN'T GET APPROVAL TO BUILD 40 HOUSES OR WELL, NO, HE WANTS TO SELL BECAUSE HE'S, THE, THE OFFICE USE IS NOT FUNCTIONAL AT THIS BUILDING ANYMORE.
HE'S THE ONLY, AND HE WANTS TO BUILD THESE TOWNHOUSES, BUT WE CAN'T GET APPROVAL FOR RIGHT.
THERE'S A LEASE, THERE'S A LEASE, A LEGAL LEASE QUESTIONS.
AND I DON'T, SO HE'S WORKING THROUGH, HE'S TRYING TO WORK THROUGH, HE'S TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THAT.
IT'S AN OFFICIAL APPLICATION FOR US, BUT WE HAVE AN, AN EXTENSIVE, WE HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE AN NVC FILE.
SAME THING WITH ACTUALLY GOING BACK TO EUROPEAN STATION.
IT SAYS THE NVC, I'M SORRY, NOT YOUR KEY STATION.
I JUST RECEIVED AN NPC, UM, EXTENSION THROUGH APRIL.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT ON AN AGENDA UNTIL APRIL.
MOST OF THE TIME, KEVIN, WE GET UNLIMITED EXTENSIONS AND WE DON'T EVER HAVE TO BOTHER WITH IT UNLESS SOMEONE WANTS TO.
THEY, WE HAVE 90 DAYS FROM THE DAY WE GET THE APPLICATION AND APPROVE IT TO RUN IT THROUGH THE PROCESS BY LAW.
SO IF WE DON'T DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO DEEMED APPROVAL.
SO MOST PEOPLE, AS YOU SEE ON HERE, THE MVPC EXPIRATION DATE'S, NOT BECAUSE THEY'VE WAIVED IT.
SOMETIMES IF IT'S CONTENTIOUS, THEY WON'T WAIVE IT SO THAT IT FORCES THE BOARD AND FORCES THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO HEAR IT.
BECAUSE IF NOT, WE CAN TEND TO GO, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE OUR REVIEWS DONE, OR, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO DO THIS AND YOU NEED TO DO THAT.
SO TO PART OF 1201 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD, THAT'S THE QUEST REDEVELOPMENT.
THEY UM, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THEIR ATTORNEY TODAY.
THEY HAVE A PRELIMINARY PLAN IN, BUT IT NEEDS A LOT OF WORK.
SO WE ARE, WE ARE GONNA BE HAVING SOME MEETINGS, SOME MEETINGS OFFSITE OR JUST STAFF MEETINGS AND GOING THROUGH THAT AND TRYING TO CLEAN UP THEIR PLANS.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE PLANS ARE, WELL THE LETTERS ARE VOLUMINOUS.
IT'S WHAT? AND JEFF AND, AND TONY, THEIR LETTERS FROM WHAT THEY TELL ME ARE VOLUMOUS, RIGHT? YEAH.
I WAS GONNA SAY THEY'RE, THEY'RE OKAY.
I'M JUST SAYING YOU ARE INTEGRAL.
MAKE SURE HERE, THERE'S NO QUESTION THEY'RE INTEGRAL.
HERE THEY'RE UH, WHAT TWO PLACES I WANT TO INSPECT.
PARKHOUSE HASN'T BEEN ANYMORE.
WERE WAITING ON THEIR, THEY'VE GOTTEN THEIR APPROVAL.
THEY GOT THEIR APPROVAL FOR THEIR TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN IN DECEMBER.
SO THEY WILL GET, UM, THE NEXT STEP WILL BE PRELIMINARY PLAN.
I'M GUESSING SOMETIME LATE FIRST QUARTER.
I SEE THERE'S SOME TRUCKS DOWN THERE THE OTHER DAY.
YEAH, THEY'RE DOING SOME SURVEY WORK BECAUSE THEY NEED TO AND DO SOME TEST.
WE JUST HAD SEEN THE TRUNK PARKED ON THAT PROPERTY.
UM, THE OTHER ONE IS ONE CLEAR FIRE STATION.
ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT? RIGHT NOW, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE AUCTION HAPPENED.
THAT THERE WAS AN AUCTION WON BY SOMEBODY.
THE FIRE COMPANY EXPRESSED DIDN'T EXPRESS INTEREST IN APPROVING THAT BID.
THAT PERSON DID NOT WANT TO APPROVE THAT BID.
AND RIGHT NOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TOWNSHIP AND SOME
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OTHER POTENTIAL MYERS.BUT I THINK THE TOWNSHIP IS LOOKING AT, IS THAT HOME APPROVED? IS THAT ZONED FOR HOMES OR IT IS, YES.
IF, IF IT IS PURCHASED BY A PRIVATE DEVELOPER, THE ONLY THING THAT YOU CAN DO THERE BY RIGHT.
I'M SURE WE'RE GONNA SEE THAT SOMETHING.
WELL, BUT IS IS, AREN'T THERE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES THERE? THERE ARE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.
I MEAN, IT, IT, IF ANYTHING YOU'RE GONNA GET LIKE SIX OR EIGHT TOWNHOUSES.
I MEAN YOU'RE NOT TALKING NO, NO.
I KNOW THEY'RE NOT BE HUGE, BUT IT, IT'S TOO ATTRACTIVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT CLOSE TO PHOENIXVILLE NOT TO BE I UNDERSTAND.
NOT TO BE SOMEBODY INTERESTED IN YEAH, I'M SURE THEY'RE INTERESTED.
I JUST THOUGHT MAYBE A LOT OF ENVIRONMENTAL, I'M SURE.
AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S NEGOTIATING WHAT I, YOU KNOW, SO I THOUGHT THAT I KNEW THAT SOMEBODY WON THE BID.
I, OUR BID A BID WAS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER PROOF BID.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WASN'T A, A PASSED BY THE FIREHOUSE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS A, I THOUGHT IT WAS A DONE DEAL.
SO THE LONG AND SHORT OF IT IS WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA BE QUEUED UP FOR FEBRUARY.
I COULD WORK AND GET SOME THINGS TURNED AROUND FOR THE FIRST MEETING OF FEBRUARY OR WE COULD CANCEL THAT MEETING AND JUST HAVE THE SECOND MEETING IN FEBRUARY AND GO BACK TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, THE OFFICIAL MAP, THE RIGHT OF WAY MAP AND SOME ZONING.
WHY DON'T WE DO THAT FOR THE FIRST MEETING? FIRST MEETING, THE FIRST MEETING.
I CAN PROBABLY GET THE OFFICIAL MAP DONE.
ANTHONY MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET THE RIGHT OF WAY MAP DONE.
BUT AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE STILL LIKE TO KEEP THAT MEETING AS JUST FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT.
SO I DON'T SEE THE NEED TO NECESSARILY HAVE THAT MEETING.
AND THEN WE JUST JUMP INTO THE SECOND MEETING OF FEBRUARY.
SO THAT WOULD BE, UH, WHAT DATE? THE 19TH.
I WOULD NEED A MOTION IF, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE CANCELING THE FIFTH.
KEVIN ENJOYS THIS
HEY, I JUST GOT HERE, YOU KNOW.
IF EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY ELSE WANTS TO GUESS, THAT'S FINE.
WELL, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? NO, NO.
I'M JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, WE CAN KEEP MOVING THESE ACTION ITEMS. WELL, LOOK, I I, I CAN GET THE OFFICIAL MAP TOGETHER THAT'S JUST SITTING DOWN AND DOING SOME GS WORK NOW.
AND IT'S GONNA BE A 15 MINUTE MEETING THEN IT'S NOT WORTH COMING HERE.
WELL, IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE 15 MINUTES, IT'S THAT WE GIVE THESE GUYS ENOUGH TIME TO GET WHAT THEY NEED TOGETHER FOR THAT.
I CAN CERTAINLY WORK AROUND IN, IN A WEEK OR TWO WEEKS.
I MEAN, I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
IF YOU, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE A VERY LONG MEETING.
I THINK IT'S REALLY JUST SORT OF PRESENTING IT.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO DO IT SO THAT WE NOT YEAH, LET'S DO IT THEN.
EITHER YOU, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING YEAH, WE CAN GET, UM, WE CAN GET STARTED ON THAT.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN
UH, THEN YOU KNOW, FOR THE SLIDE, THE NEXT ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING IS MARCH 19TH.
[DISCUSSION: FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]
DISCUSSION, FUTURE OF DAY DEBT.SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? ANY ADDITION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO IT.
I TOOK BEFORE YOU HAD ANY, I DIDN'T WANT TO SHORT IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY OTHER COMMENTS THEY WANNA MAKE.
I JUST THOUGHT IT'D BE FUN TO MAKE A MOTION.
YOU GET YOUR NAME IN THE BOOK.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
WE GOT A MOTION FOR KEVIN TO ADJOURN.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT.