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IT'S NOT THAT WIDE.[REORGANIZATION]
REORGANIZATION, AS WE KNOW.UM, FOR REORGANIZATION, WE DO HAVE TO ELECT A CHAIR AND A VICE CHAIR AS WE DO EVERY YEAR.
SO, DO I HAVE A NOMINATION FOR CHAIR
UM, THERE WAS A VAL, UH, DO WE HAVE A NOMINATION FOR VICE CHAIR BILL? OKAY.
WE HAVE A NOMINATION FOR BILL, FOR VICE CHAIR.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND BILL.
DO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[ CALL TO ORDER /APPROVE AGENDA]
IT IS NOW YOUR MEETING.WE WENT AROUND AND AROUND THEWHERE.
WE EVEN GAVE YOU UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING TO TAKE OVER, DIDN'T WE? PUBLIC COMMENT
[PUBLIC COMMENT FOR NON-AGENDA ITEMS]
FROM ANYBODY? THERE'S SOMEONE BACK THERE.I CAN'T SEE FAR ENOUGH AROUND.
DO YOU HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT THAT YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE? OKAY.
WE'RE MOVING ON APPROVAL OF LAST
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
MINUTES OF, UH, SEPTEMBER 18TH.THAT'S WHAT SAYS, I WASN'T ACTIVE DUTY APPROVED.
THE ONLY, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS, UH, THE DRAFT FOR THE, UH, DRAFT AND WEEDS ORDINANCE.
IS THAT POSTED ON THE TOWNSHIP? UH, IT WAS IN THE AGENDA PACKET AND I'M, WE HAVEN'T ADVERTISED IT YET, SO IT DOESN'T GO ON THE LIST OF ADVERTISED ORDINANCES YET.
SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT VOTING ON IT TONIGHT? NO.
I THOUGHT, I, I, I WAS TRYING TO FIND IT BECAUSE I WANTED TO REVIEW IT TONIGHT.
IT WOULD BE IN, I GUESS, JULY'S MEETING, MINUTES MEETING.
I KNEW I HAD SEEN IT SOMEWHERE.
I KNEW I HADN'T READ IT, BUT I WANTED TO REREAD IT.
AND I HADN'T FILED IT ON MY, JEFF, IS THIS THE, UH, LAWYER OR WHOEVER? ONCE WE ANSWER THIS QUESTION, IS THE, UH, I KNOW THE MINUTES ARE FROM THE 18TH OF SEPTEMBER, BUT WAS THERE ANY MINUTES FROM THE MEETING WITH THE STUDENTS THAT THAT WAS, THAT WAS JULY.
THAT WAS IN WHAT, EARLY DECEMBER OR LATE NOVEMBER? I SAW IT EMAILED OUT.
IT WAS, IT WAS EMAILED OUT THE EMAIL WITH THE, THE, THE DAY THE STUDENTS CAME.
WE WOULD'VE APPROVED THOSE IN SEPTEMBER.
SO IT WOULD'VE BEEN JULY? NO, THE ONE WHERE WE HAD THE MEETING.
OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE JOINT.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS EMAILED OUT.
'CAUSE I HAD 'EM, I DON'T THINK I GOT THEM SOLD.
I DON'T THINK THEY WENT THIS BOARD.
DID YOU EMAILED THEM? I'M SO SORRY.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER ALL THE THINGS THEY WERE OFFERING HER EMAIL.
SO SHE EMAILS I'LL SEND, THAT'S WHY I GOT, BUT BACK TO THE SEP SEPTEMBER 18TH MEETING.
THAT IS WHEN THE, BUT WE TABLED.
WELL THAT WAS THE OTHER GROUP.
THIS IS THE ONES FROM PENN STATE.
OH, PENN STATE ONE THAT WE HAD THE TV THING.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE YOUNG KIDS THAT WERE HERE.
WE'LL, THAT WAS, WE'LL GET THOSE TO YOU.
I'LL SEND THEM TO EVERYBODY NOW.
UM, UM, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 8TH? SECOND.
WHO'S DOING THE MINUTES? UH, SHE'S SOMEWHERE.
I SEE THE GODDESS IS DOING THIS.
SO YEAH, SHE DOES THE MINUTES.
[2. Discussion of Local Climate Action Plan Status Motion to approve Chairperson's signature on contract]
OKAY.DISCUSSION ON LOCAL CLIMATE ACTION PLAN STATUS.
I DIDN'T WANNA GET INTO GREAT DETAIL ABOUT THIS.
UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GET RECAP OR THOUGHTS, ANYTHING YOU HAD MOVING FORWARD.
UM, THERE IS, UM, A CONTRACT THAT WE NEED TO SIGN.
SO WE'LL NEED A MOTION TO HAVE NOW, LORI SIGN IT, UM, FOR, TO SORT OF MOVE FORWARD.
WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE THE NEXT STEP WITH THEM.
I THINK WE'RE SETTING UP A MEETING FOR SOMETIME DURING THE DAY IN THE NEW FUTURE.
THIS IS THE PENN STATE KIDS, RIGHT? MM-HMM
TO MOVE THEM SORT OF FORWARD AND TO, TO GET TO THE NEXT STEP OF COMING UP WITH THE ACTUAL PLAN PART OF IT VERSUS THE, THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
W WHEN YOU SAY SIGN A CONTRACT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? BASICALLY, IT'S THEIR WAY OF TRACKING WHO'S INVOLVED.
THERE'S NO FINANCES, RIGHT? NO, THERE'S NO FINANCE.
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KEEP THEIR RECORDS STRAIGHT.I THINK, DO YOU HAVE ANY TAKE OFF? WELL, I, I DIDN'T REPLY TO THE REQUEST FOR THE PHONE CALLS.
'CAUSE I, I'M GONNA LEAVE IT UP TO YOU GUYS SINCE YOU'RE WORKING HERE AND HAVE A SCHEDULE.
I MEAN, I'D BE HAPPY TO JOIN IF I CAN.
RIGHT NOW, DURING WEEKDAY BUSINESS HOURS, I'M PRETTY BUSY.
I WILL, UM, SEND YOU, I THINK I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO RESPONDED.
YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE RESPONDED.
AND THEN I RESPONDED LATE SAYING, WEDNESDAYS ARE FINE.
'CAUSE WE HAVE OUR STAFF MEETING OCCASIONALLY, BUT, RIGHT.
UM, IT WAS WEDNESDAY MORNINGS I THINK THEY WERE ASKING FOR THAT WORKS.
AND IT'S ALL ZOOM OR I'LL SEND IT TO, I'LL SEND YOU THE LINKS WHEN THEY SEND THEM TO ME.
SO I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE MY SIGNATURE MOTION.
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE YOUR SIGNATURE TOM SECONDS
[3. Township Events/Assignment of EAC Member]
TOWNSHIP EVENTS ASSIGNMENT AT EAC NUMBER.ALRIGHT, SO I WILL PASS AROUND REALLY QUICK.
IF YOU WANNA TAKE ONE PASS AROUND.
THESE ARE THE BIGGER, UM, MORE POPULATED EVENTS THAT THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT PUTS ON.
KEN, THIS WILL BE ROUND TWO FOR YOU.
I ALREADY HAVE IT MEMORIZED NOW.
I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE TO VOLUNTEER FOR BOTH SIDES, DO I? NO, BUT IF YOU'RE THERE ALREADY, THAT'S A BONUS FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.
SO THESE ARE THINGS I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD GIVE THIS TO YOU GUYS NOW AND YOU GUYS CAN START BRAINSTORMING ABOUT EVENTS THAT YOU POSSIBLY WANNA START COMING OUT TO, TO BROADCAST WHAT EAC IS.
UM, LEND YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS COMMITTEE TO THE PUBLIC.
BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU'RE OUT IN THE PUBLIC YET.
I DON'T THINK MANY PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE EXIST AS A COMMITTEE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN A COUPLE.
WELL, I'M NOT SURE WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING
UM, BUT THESE ARE EVENTS THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, ANYWHERE FROM A COUPLE HUNDRED PEOPLE TO 6,500.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT YOU CAN REALLY, WELL HOW MANY WOULD YOU EXPECT US TO DO? I'M NOT GONNA DECIDE THAT FOR YOU.
I'M GIVING THIS TO YOU GUYS WITH THE LABELS OF WHAT THE EVENTS ARE AND PICK ONE HERE AND THERE THAT YOU GUYS THINK YOU WANT TO ATTEND WITH A TABLE.
AND I CAN HAVE INFORMATION READY FOR YOU GUYS SOMEWHERE.
WELL, I'LL DO, I'LL DO THE CAR SHOW.
YEAH, I'M ALREADY THERE TO BE AT THE TABLE THOUGH.
I WELL, I CAN'T BE PEOPLE NOW.
I JUST PUT THE TABLE IN FRONT OF YOUR CAR.
YOU CAN WALK AROUND ON THOSE SANDWICH TOUR THROUGHOUT THE CAR SHOW AND JUST LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE, I'M I'M ON THE FIELD BECAUSE I'M, I'M A JUDGE SO I CAN'T YOU'RE WORKING THAT DAY.
THAT'D BE LIKE ME SAYING ALLISON AT THE TABLE.
YOU SEE THAT'S THE ONE KEN SHOULD COVER FOR THE EAC
WELL CERTAINLY YOU GUYS SHOULD ABSOLUTE BE THERE.
I'M NOT VOLUNTEERING ANYTHING GIVING, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE THIS TO YOU GUYS AS A WAY TO SAY LIKE, THESE ARE OUTLETS THAT YOU CAN DO WITHOUT PAYING LIKE ANYTHING TO BE THERE.
LIKE THESE ARE JUST SIMPLE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS CAN COME OUT TO.
WE DON'T CURRENTLY DO ANYTHING WITH EARTH DAY OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
WE'RE PRETTY CRAMPED IN THE APRIL, MAY.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS WANT TO DO IN THE FUTURE, WE CAN START LOOKING AT THAT NOW AND GET DAYS FOR 2026 AND WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING FOR THIS SPECIFIC COMMITTEE TO EXECUTE.
I CAN LEAD YOU IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WITH ALL THOSE THINGS.
I WOULDN'T SUGGEST DOING THIS APRIL, BUT UNLESS SO, SO YOU, YOU WANT US TO EMAIL YOU IF WE HAVE ONE THAT WOULD SAY, OKAY, I'LL, YEAH, I THINK IT HAS A COMMITTEE YOU GUYS VOTE ON WHICH ONES YOU THINK ARE A GOOD OPTION FOR YOU GUYS TO, WELL IS IT AS A COMMITTEE OR AS AN INDIVIDUAL? I'M, I'M SAYING AS A COMMITTEE.
I'M SAYING LIKE, YOU GUYS SHOULD PICK ONE OF THESE TO SAY WE'RE GONNA COME WITH A TABLE.
I CAN GIVE YOU SHIRTS THAT SAY UPT ON 'EM.
UM, AND AND REPRESENT WHAT THIS IS.
SO WHEN WE DO GO TO VOTE AND PASS ON THINGS AND PUT THINGS INTO PLACE, PEOPLE KNOW THAT YOU EXIST AND WHY YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET MUCH TRACTION ON THINGS TO PEOPLE.
SO IS IT, DO WE ALL, IF WE DECIDE WE ALL HAVE TO BE THERE? WELL I THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS TAKE SHARE AT THE TIME, BUT, YOU KNOW.
WELL, OKAY, WE'RE ALL SAYING DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT, SO, SO, SO HERE'S WHAT I TOLD.
IF, IF WE, IF I GO, I'LL DO THE SHREDDING EVENT.
I MEAN, HOW LONG IS THAT? THE HOURS? IT'S FOUR HOURS.
I CAN SIT THERE FOUR HOURS AND YOU TALK TO CARS GOING BY AND GIVE THEM FLYERS.
I DIDN'T QR CODE IS WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS.
WE CERTAINLY DON'T BE THREE OF US TO SIT THERE AND DO THAT.
THE BUT THE LONGER ONES WE COULD NO, BUT THE LONGER ONES MAYBE.
LIKE THE, YOU KNOW THE YEAH LIKE TWO HOUR SHIFTS OR SOMETHING.
UM, PICTURES OF SANTA, HOW LONG IS THAT AND WHATEVER
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I HAVE A CLASS A ZOOM CLASS FROM TWO AND IT'S THE SAME WITH THE CAR SHOW.IF YOU DO THE CAR SHOW, THAT'S A LONG DAY.
SO YOU'RE GONNA NEED TWO OR THREE PEOPLE TO, TO SHIFT.
BUT YOU ALSO DON'T HAVE TO BE THERE FOR THE FULL BEGINNING TO END OF IT.
I MEAN IF YOU'RE THERE FOR THE FIRST COUPLE HOURS OF IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT CAN ALSO WORK AS LONG AS YOU HAVE SOME REPRESENTATION FOR A LITTLE BIT.
I THINK FROM MY PERSONAL STANDPOINT, THE COMMUNITY FALL FEST, THE CAR SHOW, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SHREDDING EVENT I THINK IS A GREAT IDEA TO BE AT BECAUSE IT IS.
THAT'S ENVIRONMENTALLY, THAT'S THREE, FOUR HOURS.
I MEAN I DON'T NEED A LOT OF PEOPLE.
I CAN JUST FLYERS AND ALL THAT.
I'LL THINK THEN LET'S SET, WE'LL SET YOU UP FOR MAY 17TH SHRED EVENT.
IS THAT AN ELECTRONIC EVENT TOO? IT'S NOT.
THIS IS JUST RADDLING AND IT'S HERE, RIGHT? YES.
AND WE HAVE THE LINE FOR KEN CAN.
IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T TERRIBLE BUT IT, I MEAN IT WAS OFF AND ON.
LIKE WE HAD PEOPLE, WE HAD A LINE WHEN PEOPLE WERE LINING UP BEFORE WE OPENED.
REALLY? THEY WERE STARTING OUT.
'CAUSE WE TAKE 'EM ALL THE WAY.
WELL YOU GET A SPECIAL PRIZE IF YOU'RE THE FIRST OR
SO, AND THEN WE HAD BOTH, WELL I GOT FIRST THE SHRED BY FILES SHRED SHREDDING AND THEY SHREDDING WHEN WE DO THE ELECTRONIC AND THE SHRED, IT'S A LONGER LINE.
IT'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO GO IN TWO DIFFERENT LINES TO GO TO EACH TRUCK AND IT'S A WHOLE THING.
BUT SHREDDING IS USUALLY, IT'S CONSISTENT.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT COME BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO KEEP ALL THAT STUFF.
WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE SHREDDED PAPER? WHATEVER LANDFILL IRON MOUNTAIN WANTS TO DO IT.
GOD, I HOPE IT GOES TO A LANDFILL.
IT GOES TO THE BOTTOM OF DURABLES CAGE TO THE PET TO THE NEXT, NO, SERIOUSLY.
I CAN ASK IRON MOUNTAIN WHAT THEY DO.
BUT THAT'S AN E-WASTE OF WHAT THEY DO WITH IT ONCE THEY TAKE IT.
OH, THEY DO THE SHREDDING AND THEN THEY TAKE IT SOMEWHERE.
AND WITH THE DONATIONS, LIKE S CARS GO BY, WE DON'T HAVE A FEE, BUT WE DO HAVE A DONATION BIN AND PEOPLE DONATE TO THAT PER LOAD THAT THEY DO.
'CAUSE SOME PEOPLE DO COME BACK FOR A COUPLE ROUNDS 'CAUSE THEY HAVE SO MUCH STUFF TO GET RID OF.
UM, BUT IT DOES COVER OUR COSTS.
COULDN'T THE SHRED OF PAPER GO INTO THE MULCH THING? I DON'T KNOW.
BECAUSE A A LOT OF IT TOO IS LIKE PRINTED OR IT'S PEOPLE'S LIKE PAY STONES, I WOULD GUESS.
BUT YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHO'S ALWAYS LOOKING FOR SHRED OF PAPER.
THERE'S THAT HORSE FARM OUT ON, UM, SEVEN 20, UH, BIG D UH, UH, BIG ROAD, BUT IT'S BIG ROAD 73.
RIGHT, RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET INTO BOYTON AND THEY HAVE A BIG SIGN THERE SAID WE NEED SHREDDED BABY.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS FOR, FOR THE HORSES.
I GUESS THEY, THEY USE IT AS STOVE THAT, YEAH.
THEY, THEY LONG AS THE HORSE TO SIZE NOT TO EAT.
THERE'S, UH, EARTH DAY PHOENIXVILLE IS APRIL 23RD.
IT'S A, YOU KNOW, JUST A PUBLIC REGIONAL EVENT.
AND THERE'S GROUPS LIKE OUR EAC, THE LOCAL, YOU KNOW, CONGRESS PEOPLE ARE THERE AND PRESENTATIONS.
SO, I MEAN, IF THAT'S ONE THAT YEAH.
BUT IS THAT, DOES THAT DO ANY GOOD FOR US? IN IN IN ON OUR TOWNSHIP IF WE GO TO PHOENIX, BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE FROM OUR TOWNSHIP, YOU KNOW, GO, GO TO EVENTS THAT ARE IN PHOENIX.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT A BOROUGH.
WELL IF YOU WANTED, IF YOU WANTED TO TAKE, GET A SHIRT AND TAKE SOME FLYERS OVER THERE AND WALK AROUND AND HAND THEM OUT, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO CONTRACT FOR A TABLE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT IS, THERE IS A FEE.
BUT IF THERE IS A FEE, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE STUFF OVER THERE AND WALK AROUND WITH IT, YOU CAN JUST WORK.
I MEAN, IF I'M AT A TABLE, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT TABLE I WAS AT LAST YEAR.
IF PEOPLE START TALKING ABOUT UPPER PROVIDENCE, YOU KNOW, I'LL GET ENGAGED WITH THE CONVERSATION.
BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS THAT WHEN, WHEN I WAS RUNNING FOR A SUPERVISOR, WE WOULD DO THINGS LOCALLY AND THEN FIND OUT THAT 90% OF THE PEOPLE WHO CAME TO THAT LOCATION WEREN'T FROM THIS.
WELL, YOU KNOW, AND I JUST TO BACK THAT UP, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I'M VICE PRESIDENT OF THE PHOENIXVILLE SENIOR CENTER AND EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY ARE WELCOME AND ENCOURAGED TO COME, 95% OF THE PEOPLE ARE FROM CHESTER COUNTY AND THAT AREA.
THEY DON'T LIKE TO CROSS THE ROAD.
YOU MEAN AS FAR AS THE BOARD OR? NO, NO.
AS FAR AS THE PEOPLE THAT PARTICIPATE WHO USE IT MM-HMM
WE'RE TRYING TO GET MORE MONTGOMERY, BUT WE CAN'T GET 'EM TO CROSS THE RIVER FOR SOME REASON.
WHEN I LIVED IN DC NOBODY CROSSED INTO MARYLAND.
AND THAT'S A POPULAR CENTER, RIGHT? I MEAN IT'S VERY, VERY POPULAR.
HOW ABOUT IF WE FOCUS ON THE COMMUNITY FALL FEST? BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A BIG ONE.
THAT MAKE SENSE? MY APOLOGIES.
UM, I THINK YOUR PHONE WAS JUST HARROWING
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A GREAT IDEA.YOU KNOW, AND I, THAT'S CALLED WOOD FOREST, YOU KNOW, TO ME IT'S LIKE HUNTING WITH THE HO.
AND WHEN I FIRST PICKED THIS UP, MY HUSBAND'S LIKE, DON'T YOU FIND THAT ANNOYING? NO, I DON'T.
SO ANYWAY, I THINK THAT BECAUSE COMMUNITY FALL FAST IS SO BIG, THAT WOULD BE WORTH OUR TIME SHIFT.
AND IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS, OUR GIVEAWAY EVERY YEAR IS SOME KIND OF REUSABLE BAG.
SO IT COULD BE SOMETHING TOO THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE YOU GUYS ARE AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU GUYS HAND OUT.
'CAUSE THEY HAVE OUR LOGO ON IT AND EVERYTHING AND NO, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE DEFINITELY HAVE.
I THINK THE, I THINK JEFF SAID IT, THE CAR SHOW IN THAT ONE.
I THINK WE TOO, RIGHT? THEY GET THE MOST PEOPLE AT.
AND WE'LL HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF FLYER AS TO WHAT THE EC ACTUALLY DOES.
WELL WE GOTTA FIGURE THAT OUT.
ALRIGHT, THE OTHER THINGS I KNOW THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT, AND I MAY HAVE DUCK OUT.
I HAVE A NEW PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER COMING.
I'VE GOTTA WALK, READ THROUGH THINGS.
BUT THE OTHER THINGS THAT I, I THINK WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT ARE WHAT OUR STEPS ARE FOR 2025.
WE WANT TO GET THE BAG AND GRASS ORDINANCE DONE, RIGHT? SURE.
NOW WHAT YOU NEED TO DO, IF WE WANNA PUT THAT ON THE NEXT MEETING, IS GET ME YOUR EDITS TWO WEEKS BEFORE OUR MEETING SO THAT YOU, SO THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH AND SAY WHAT THOSE EDITS ARE.
UH, WHAT, UM, WHAT DO YOU MEAN, JEFF? I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE LIKE IT, IT, LIKE, I THINK THE LAST TIME YOUR CONCERN WAS THE STEPPING DOWN OF IT.
THE STEPPING FROM ONE TO THE OTHER.
AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE THAT, JUST TAKE A RED LINE OR A PENCIL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND SCRUB OUT WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE.
JUST, JUST THAT SIMPLE BEFORE THE MEETING.
I SEE WHAT YOU, SO THAT WE, WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND WE KNOW WHAT YOU DO OR DON'T LIKE.
JUST SO WE'RE NOT SITTING HERE AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE MEETING GOING, OKAY, WELL WHAT ABOUT THIS AND WHAT ABOUT THAT? RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE THE DISCUSSION, BUT IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE CLEARER.
IF WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT BEFOREHAND.
UH, THE OTHER IS THAT, IS THAT, DO WE HAVE THE MOST CURRENT COPIES OF EVERYTHING? YOU SHOULD.
I CAN MAKE SURE I RECIRCULATE THEM.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY THE GRASS ONE.
I DON'T KNOW IF I WE'RE YEAH, I'LL RECIRCULATE THEM.
THAT'S, I DON'T EVEN ASK CLOSE.
BUT UM, THE OTHER THING WAS BIRD TOWN.
OBVIOUSLY NEW TOPIC FOR, I KEEP FORGETTING THERE'S TWO UPPER PROVIDENCES.
AS YOU NOTICE I SENT THAT OUT.
SO THE WOMAN WHO WAS IN CHARGE, THERE'S SOME DATES 'CAUSE SHE HAS TO TALK TO US AND VISIT IT UP SINCE IT WAS OVER DECEMBER IN THE BEGINNING OF JANUARY, THE HOLIDAYS WERE HERE.
I KIND OF MYSELF, I PUT IT ASIDE, I'M GONNA REACH BACK OUT TO HER, GET THE DATES THAT SHE COULD MEET.
UM, FIND OUT IF SHE NEEDS TO MEET WITH ALL OF US OR IF SHE CAN JUST MEET WITH ONE OF US AND I CAN PUSH THE INFORMATION TO EVERYBODY.
SO IT IS SETTING UP A PLACE, AN AREA WHERE YOU FOSTER THE GROWTH OF BIRDS, I GUESS LIKE, UH, MIGRATION, BIRD FEEDERS, BIRD HOUSES.
SO YOU HAVE, WE ALREADY HAVE, I BELIEVE BLUEBIRD HOUSES SOMEWHERE.
SO THAT WOULD BE LIKE A GOOD PLACE TO START.
IT'S, IT'S FOSTERING THEIR MIGRATION THROUGH BECAUSE WE HAVE, SO I FEED A LOT OF BIRDS IN MY BACKYARD.
SO WE HAVE OREOS COME THROUGH OUR YARD EVERY NOW AND THEN I HAVE A BUNCH OF BLUE BIRDS.
SO IT'S JUST GETTING THE POPULATIONS BACK UP.
AND AGAIN, EXCUSE MY IGNORANCE.
NO, I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT BIRDS OTHER THAN I WATCH IT FUN.
BUT UM, IS THERE DIFFERENT HABITATS FOR DIFFERENT BIRDS? YES.
LIKE, SO MY GRANDSON BUILDS, THEY LIKE TO THEY INTO WHEEL, BUT THEY LIKE THE WOODS BEHIND THEM IN SCHOOL.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I CAN'T NECESSARILY, BLUE BIRDS MIGHT NOT LIKE THIS THING.
AND THEN WHAT OTHER BIRDS MIGHT AND THEN OTHER BIRDS.
BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT MORE EXOTIC BIRDS, LIKE ORAL BIRDS AND BLUE JAYS ARE, WELL, BLUE JAYS ARE CARNIVOROUS AND BLUE BIRDS PREFER BUGS.
SO WHAT'S THE HOUSING DIFFERENCES? JUST BRIEFLY? LIKE THE SIZES OF THE HOLE.
AND THEN LIKE I KNOW WITH BLUE BIRDS, A LOT OF THAT BIRD HOUSES COME WITH A LITTLE PERCH AT THE END.
WELL BLUE BIRDS NEED TO TAKE THAT OFF BECAUSE THEN THAT'S THE STAR.
THEY WILL TAKE OVER AND KILL THE BLUE BIRDS AND TAKE THE NEST OVER.
SO THERE'S CERTAIN LITTLE THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO TO GET, AND BLUE BIRDS ARE BLUE BIRDS ARE NOT VERY TRICKY, VERY AGGRESSIVE.
AND WE'VE DONE EXCELLENT ON GETTING MORE BLUEBIRD TO THIS AREA WITH THE, WHAT WE'VE DONE AT WHAT ABOUT CARDINALS? CARDINALS? THEY, I DUNNO HOW THEY NEST.
I HAVE A LOT OF CARDINALS, BUT I HAVE A LOT.
I WILL SAY CARDINALS ARE EASY LIKE ROBINS, THEY LIKE TO NEST LIKE UNDER
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EVES.SO THEY GET OUT THINGS HUMMINGBIRDS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALREADY GONE.
WELL THIS LADY, I I, I CAN USE THE EDUCATION WHOEVER SHE IS BECAUSE I CERTAINLY DON'T.
AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT, SHE'LL GIVE ALL THE INFORMATION.
I HAVE SOME WEBSITES AND UH, IT'LL EXPLAIN A LOT OF OTHER STUFF ON THERE.
BUT EACH SPURT HAS ITS LITTLE.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT TIMES PLUS THEY'RE PICKY ABOUT WHERE THE HOUSES ARE.
WHERE THEY ARE BECAUSE OF THE HAWKS TOO CLOSE TO THE HOUSE.
BECAUSE THE HAWKS WILL, I GOT IT.
LIKE IF YOU PUT A BIRD FEEDER OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YARD AND THEY'RE HUNGRY, THEY'LL COME DOWN AND EAT AND THEN THE HAWK WILL GRAB.
THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE DOING TO MY HOUSE.
AND SOMEBODY TEXTED ME THIS MORNING AND SAID THERE IS A HARRIER HAWK.
AND SO WHAT DO YOU PUT IT CLOSER TO THE, TO YOUR HOUSE OUTTA THE WOODS BUSHES.
SO, UH, LIKE A LITTLE TINY BIRD SO THEY COULD HIDE.
THEY LIKE TO SIT IN THE BUSHES AND HIDE.
I CAN TELL WHEN IT'S REALLY BIRDS ARE ARE HUNGRY.
'CAUSE THE HAWKS I'VE WOODED LOT THE HAWKS DON'T COME IN UNTIL THEY CAN'T FIND ANYTHING.
AND THEN THEY'LL COME DOWN INTO THE WOODED LOT.
NO, YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT CHEVYS AND FORDS.
BUT YEAH, THERE'S EVERY LITTLE AND THE HOLES, I REALIZE DIFFERENT SIZE HOLES ACCOMMODATE DIFFERENT BIRDS.
AND I WOULD LOVE TO DO AN AL HOUSE IN MY BARN.
EXCEPT THAT WHERE IT SHOULD GO, THEY WILL END UP.
DO WE HAVE S AROUND HERE? OH, EVERYTHING.
WE HAVE A LOT OF HOUSES IN THIS AREA.
EITHER WE'VE NEVER SEEN, I KNOW THEY, THEY'RE NIGHT BIRDS RIGHT.
SO I, AND I HAVE A LOT OF BATS IN NIGHT BURN.
I NEED TO BACK UP TO THE ORDINANCE AGAIN.
OUR GRAPHIC DESIGNER, OUR SOCIAL MEDIA PERSON HAS WORKED WITH MEDIA BOROUGH ON A FULL EXTENSIVE PLASTIC BAG, ATION ORDINANCE AND GOING ALL THE WAY THROUGH IT.
SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW HER METHOD FOR THAT.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA ADOPT THE ORDINANCE IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS, BUT IT'S, THERE'S AN EDUCATIONAL ASPECT TO IT THAT SURE.
SO I'LL MAKE SURE I HAVE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION AND INTRODUCE THAT AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
DO WANT ME TO ASK LINDA TO, I WAS GONNA ASK TALK, TALK TO YOU AND SEE IF YOU WANT, IF WE CAN HAVE HER ON, MAYBE WE CAN HAVE HER ON THAT NIGHT'S MARCH.
WHAT ABOUT, UH, BUTTERFLY? WE TALKED ABOUT BIRD HABITAT MIGRATION.
I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER SECTION THAT WILL DO BUTTERFLIES.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD ALWAYS LOOK INTO BECAUSE YOU CAN ALWAYS MIX AND MATCH BOTH TOGETHER.
SO, I MEAN, I TRIED TO GROW MILK.
WE DIDN'T JUST, I CAN'T GET IT TO GROW EVEN THOUGH I GOT PENNSYLVANIA'S VERSION.
WHY DO BUTTERFLIES LIKE MILKWEED? UM, THEY FEED OFF OF IT LIKE THE MONARCHS.
SO THE DESTRUCTION OF A LOT OF OUR FIELDS FOR HOUSES AND ALL HAVE REMOVED THE FOOD FOR THE MONARCHS AND THEY'RE NOT, AND THEY, THEY TRAVEL FROM LIKE MEXICO ALL THE WAY UP REALLY.
SO THEY'RE, THE POPULATIONS ARE DWINDLING 'CAUSE THEY HAVE NOTHING TO EAT ON THE WAY UP OR THE WAY BACK.
AND THE SAME THING WITH THE HUMMINGBIRDS.
AND IF I COULD EVER FIND IT, A GUY I KNOW DID THE MOST AMAZING BUTTERFLY TRAINING TO MUSIC FOR THE PBC
I ONLY KNOW ABOUT IT AND I WISH I COULD GET A COPY.
SPEAKING TO THAT ACTUALLY THE BUTTERFLY GARDEN.
UM, WHAT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE US ACCOMPLISH THIS YEAR IS WHAT YOU HAD BROUGHT UP AT THE LAST MEETING WITH THE PLANTING AREAS AND THOSE AREAS YOU DID SEND AROUND THE MAP OF ANDERSON FARM PARK.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'D WANNA GO TO THAT EXTENSIVE.
THAT'S AN AWFULLY BIG FIGHT TO TAKE OFF AT THE VERY BEGINNING.
BUT, BUT, BUT A PIECE AT A TIME.
AND SO I WOULD LIKE, EVERYBODY FIRST SEEMS TO BE GETTING THEIR ASSIGNMENTS.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE MY ASSIGNMENT TO YOU IS WHAT'S THE NEXT, WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP FOR THAT? THE MAP IS GREAT, THE MAP IS ABSOLUTELY GREAT, BUT WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP FROM THAT VIDEO IN TERMS OF WHAT PLANS DO WE NEED TO DO? OR WHAT GRANT PROGRAMS DO WE NEED TO GET UNDER? AND SO WE COULD HAVE THAT FOR FLUSH FOR HOWEVER, I THINK IT WAS MOSTLY BUTTERFLY.
IT WAS MOSTLY, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT JUST OF A WETLANDS GARDEN OR A, I FORGET TOO.
WHAT, WHAT WAS YOUR REC, WHAT WAS YOUR, UH, SUGGESTION? I, I JUST STARTED WITH, UM, WE FORGET GETTING RID OF BLONDES.
JUST SOMETHING OTHER THAN YEAH.
BUT THE VIDEO WAS BASICALLY HOW A GENTLEMAN FROM PLYMOUTH HAD TAKEN AN AREA THAT PROBABLY WASN'T MUCH BIGGER THAN THIS TABLE AND SAID, WHY IS THIS GRASS MM-HMM
AND SO HE PLANTED IT AND REPLANTED IT TO HAVE MEADOW AND MILKWEED AND SOME OTHER STUFF.
SO IT BECAME SOMEWHAT OF A BUTTERFLY GARDEN, SOMEWHAT OF A POLLINATOR GARDEN.
SO IF WE COULD TAKE THE NEXT STEP ON THAT TO MAYBE LOOK AT PLANTING THAT BY FALL SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS.
I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER GOOD STEP FOR THE ESA.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, UM, TOWNSHIP PROPERTIES? YES.
UNLESS YOU WANNA VOLUNTEER YOUR YARD.
NO, I, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT, LORI, I THOUGHT YOU WANNA GET RID OF YARDS
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IN NEIGHBORHOODS.COME ON, LET'S, LET'S BE REALISTIC HERE.
WELL, WE STARTED WITH ANDERSON PARK AS A DEMONSTRATION OF WHY SHOULD WE, AS, AS A TOWNSHIP, BE PAYING SO MUCH MONEY TO HAVE GRASS MOW WHEN WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT.
AND BUT I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL.
WELL, EVEN WELL, WELL, I DON'T THINK WE, WHEN SHE GETS TO BE DICT DICTATED.
I DON'T WELL THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS ORDINANCE TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, PASS SOMETHING THAT PREVENTS PEOPLE FROM WANTING TO, TO DO NATIVES.
THERE DOES TIE BACK TO THE ORGANIZ SYSTEM.
AND, AND, AND YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WHAT HAS TO HAVE TO DO IS PEOPLE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A, A LANDSCAPING APPROACH.
YOU KNOW, IN OTHER WORDS, INSTEAD OF USING THE TYPICAL LANDSCAPING PRODUCTS THAT WE ALL GREW UP WITH, IT'S JUST A, A JUST A DIFFERENT WAY TO DESIGN AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE PLANTING SO THAT YOU DO PLANT POLLINATORS.
I'LL JUST TELL YOU REAL, REAL FAST, REAL FAST.
I, I, 'CAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
YOU KNOW, I THINK FROM THE VERY START WE TALKED ABOUT THIS GRASS CUTTING AND MEADOWS, YOU BROUGHT IN ALL THAT MEDICINE.
I JUST MENTIONED SOME PEOPLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD ONE TIME WE WERE, YOU KNOW, HAD A PARTY, NEIGHBORHOOD PARTY SAID, SEE, WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT, I MEAN, I MIGHT AS WELL HAVE BEEN TALKING GERMAN
I MEAN THEY JUST LAUGHED AT ME.
YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? I SAID, YEAH, WE QUIT CUTTING GRASS, WE'LL PLANT NATIVE PLANTS.
AND YOU KNOW, I JUST, THEY JUST LOOKED AT ME LIKE I WAS NUTS.
I THINK IN DEVELOPMENTS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A HARD TIME SELLING THAT.
AND I THINK YOU WILL, BUT IT'S EDUCATION.
IT'S AN HONOR, BUT IT'S NOT, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY GET RID OF YOUR LAWN.
YOU JUST LANDSCAPE DIFFERENTLY.
AND MAYBE, AND MAYBE YOUR GARDENS ARE BIGGER, EVEN IF WE APPROACH IT THE PART YOU DO KIND, YOU KNOW, TOWNSHIP BASINS AREN'T GRASS BASINS ANYMORE.
I MEAN, I KNOW THAT WE HAD A WHOLE DISCUSSION IN THE, IN THE CONSULTANTS MEETING ABOUT TREES AND BASINS VERSUS NOT TREES AND BASINS AND HOW THEY, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY OPERATE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THERE'S A CERTAIN LEVEL OF OPERATION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE.
BUT MAYBE WE START TO SET AN EXAMPLE AT ANDERSON FARM PARK WITH LITTLE, LITTLE POLLIER GARDENS AND LITTLE SIGNS AND LITTLE SIGNS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND WE START LOOKING AT OUR BASINS, THE TOWNSHIP BASINS AND SAYING, HOW DO WE DO THIS SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO IN THERE AND MOW THEM.
LOOK, WE'RE NEVER GONNA GET NO, WE'RE NEVER GONNA GET THE HIGHLANDS TO NO, NO.
SAME THING FOR BOAT IS NEVER GONNA DO THAT EITHER.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST NOT, THIS IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA DO.
BUT IT'S, IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S EDUCATION AND GETTING THEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT HOW MUCH MONEY IS THE HOA IN EACH PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT SPENDING ON GRASS MOWING? COULD, YOU KNOW DARN WELL THE RESIDENTS AREN'T DOING IT.
IT'S THE, THE COMPANIES THAT COME IN THAT MOW BLOW AND GO AND THEY MUST BE PAYING MONEY TO PAY, HAVE THEM DO THIS AND COME IN EVERY WEEK IF YOU SHOW THEM THAT THEY CAN SAVE MONEY BY NOT HAVING TO MOW BY PUTTING IN NATIVE GRASSES IN THE OTHER NATIVE PLANTS.
'CAUSE I HAD ONE WOMAN TELL ME LIKE, OH NO, IT'S GONNA COST HA MONEY.
THE POINT IS TO SHOW THEM HOW TO SAVE.
AND THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, REGARDING THE STORM WATER BASINS, THERE ARE PLANTS THAT PLANT IN THE STORE MOTOR BASE THAT'LL ACTUALLY HELP THEM PERFORM BETTER.
I MEAN, ROOF SYSTEMS IN MY, MY, WHERE I LIVE AT NEIGHBORS PERMAN TOWNSHIP AND THERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD OVER THERE THAT NICER WEATHER, UM, THERE'S A LITTLE TRAIL THAT GOES BEHIND THE HOUSES AND THERE'S A RETENTION PLAN MM-HMM
AND I'VE SEEN THE GUYS GET STUCK IN THE MUD AS THEY'RE TRYING TO MOW THE BOTTOM OF THIS.
THEY BE MOWING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
WELL, AND I THINK THE NEWER STUFF, AT LEAST THE LAST FEW HOMES I'VE BUILT OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS, THE MICS ARE OFF.
THERE'S NO GRASS IN, I MEAN, IT'S ALL, UH, WATER GARDEN.
WELL, LANDSCAPE OR OVER IN, IN BUCKS OVER THERE AND ALL OUR BASINS OR SOMETHING WANNA GO INTO CONTRACT.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE LAST HOUSE I BUILT IN LIMERICK TOWNSHIP, YOU KNOW, BEFORE YOU START BUILDING, YOU'D HAVE TO BUILD THE BASIN, BUT YOU DON'T PUT THE, THE ABANDONED SOIL OR ANY OF THAT STUFF INTO YOUR DONE THE PROJECT PLANS.
AND, AND THIS WAS A FARM FIELD THAT HAD BEEN HAY FOR WHO KNOWS HOW LONG THE WHOLE TIME WE WERE BUILDING.
AND I'M F*****G SILT AND EVERYTHING IS RUNNING INTO THIS SPACE.
AND WITHIN 24 HOURS IT ALWAYS SO BRIGHT BECAUSE THE GRASSES THAT WERE THERE WERE THERE SO LONG AND DEEP BREATHING.
AS SOON AS WE DUG ALL THAT OUT AND PUT IN THE SOIL AND THE PLANTS, YOU KNOW, I BROUGHT PUMPS OVER JUST TO KEEP IT DRY SO THE PLANTS WOULD, YOU KNOW, DRY.
SO, SO THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE SAID WITH, YOU KNOW, RIGHT.
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WE DO HAVE THE ONE BASIN HERE BEHIND THE TOWNSHIP BUILDING.UM, IT'S RIGHT BETWEEN THE POLICE GARAGE AND PUBLIC WORKS THAT IS A BASIN THAT WE FILLED WITH NATIVE PLANS AND WE MADE IT MORE OF A REGULAR MORE THAN THAT.
BUT WE'D LIKE TO, WE DID THAT DECADES AGO AND WE KEEP UP WITH IT.
WE TAKE OUT THE INVASIVES THAT COME IN AND WE, WE PRUNE THINGS HERE AND THERE, BUT THAT WOULD BE NICE PUBLIC WORKS.
UM, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO, I THINK MOVE THAT, THAT'S LIKE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE CAN DO TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE TOWNSHIP ITSELF.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE LOCATION THAT YOU PICKED AT ANDERSON BECAUSE IT IS A USELESS SPOT.
THEY'RE FINISHING UP FOR THE MOST PART IS LIKE A USELESS SPOT HERE AND A USELESS SPOT THERE.
THAT MIGHT BE LIKE ONE OF THEM.
I THINK IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO ONE OF THE COURTS OR SOMETHING.
IT'S NOT THE, IS IT THE TENNIS COURT? IT'S NOT WHERE THE RINK IS.
OH, THE BASKETBALL COURT AND THE PAVILION OVER THERE.
WE USED TO USE IT AS A VOLLEYBALL COURT.
WELL, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A STEEP RAMP.
AND, AND IT'S LIKE SOMEBODY'S GOTTA DRIVE THAT THING.
YOU KNOW, IN DANGER OF ROLLING OVER OR BACK AND ROLLING BACKWARDS OR WHATEVER.
BUT I BET YOU IF YOU ASK PUBLIC WORKS MM-HMM
THEY GET DOWN IN THERE AND WEED IT OR TAKE OUT, MAKE SOME PLANS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
IF IT'S, THEY WOULD RATHER JUST WHACK IT OUT OUT.
THAT'S ALL THAT, THAT ONE'S CONTRACTED.
ALL THE MOWING IN THE TOWNSHIP IS CONTRACTED, BUT IF IT'S DONE RIGHT, IT SHOULDN'T HAVE TO WEED.
YOU KNOW, THIS WHOLE CLEANING AROUND THE BUSHES AND HAVING MULCH AND SO YOU CAN SEE BROWN STUFF.
NO, YOU SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE ANY BROWN STUFF AT ALL.
THERE'S A GREAT BOOK CALLED NATURE'S BEST HOPE BY DOUG TMY.
AS A MATTER OF FACT WHEN THAT'S I KNOW THAT NAME.
SO HE THAT WAS THE GUY YOU WANTED TO HAVE COME HERE.
NATURE'S BEST HOPE IS THE BOOK YOU CAN GET AT THE LIBRARY.
I MEAN, IT, IT'S THE MOST, UM, YOU KNOW, COMPREHENSIVE STORY ABOUT WHAT ALL THESE PLANTING NATIVES IS ALL ABOUT AND POLLINATORS.
JUST ALL THE GOOD STUFF THAT'LL COME FROM, FROM THAT APPROACH.
SO I, YOU KNOW, IF YOU START WITH THAT, IF YOU WANT TO ENFORCE YOURSELF, THAT'S A GREAT, AND, AND THEN WE COULD, WELL, AS A MATTER OF FACT,
AND LORI SAID WHAT I KNOW
I HAD NO IDEA WHO HE WAS OR, AND THAT'S WHEN I CAME BACK FROM SEEING HIM.
I'M LIKE, WOW, WE SHOULD DO THIS.
THE EPIPHANY, YOU KNOW, I'M LIKE RIGHT.
EVERY AND EVERYBODY DESERVES AN EPIPHANY AND AN EDUCATION THAT IF THEY, OH REALLY? THAT'S WHAT, AND I COULD START WITH THIS TINY LITTLE BITE, THIS TINY LITTLE STEP.
I COULD DO XI COULD DO Y WHATEVER.
THEN, THEN YOU GET PEOPLE HOOKED AND YOU KNOW, AT ONE TIME THERE WAS GONNA BE A COMMUNITY GARDEN OVER AT TAYLOR FARM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT NOW.
IT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STILL ON THE, IT'S NOT ON THE CURRENT BLUE, IT'S ON THE PARK MASTER PLAN IS TO PUT SOMETHING OVER THERE.
YOU KNOW THAT ONE WAY IS TO GET PEOPLE HOOKED INTO GARDENING.
BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT.
I JUST MEAN IF PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD AND KNEW THAT THE RETENTION PONDS NEED TO HAVE PLANTS IN THEM AND THEY DON'T NEED TO.
THE OTHER THING THAT DRIVES ME NUTS ABOUT THE OPEN SPACES AND THE RETENTION PONDS AND THE VARIOUS NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOAS AROUND HERE SAID NOBODY HAS ACCESS TO THEM.
THERE'S NO WALKING PATHS THERE, THERE ARE NO BENCHES IN ANY OF THEM.
YOU DRIVE DOWN ONE 13 AND YOU SEE ALL THESE QUOTE UNQUOTE OPEN SPACES BLIPS.
AND I CALL THEM GOOSE LAWNS BECAUSE GEESE ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE USING THEM.
YOU TALKING ABOUT POND OR BASE? NO, RIGHT ACROSS FROM OUR RAIDERS.
THOSE BIG VANS ACROSS RAIDERS.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS REQUIRED OPEN SPACE.
I MEAN, IT DOES CREATE A BUFFER AND KEEP BUT TO WHOSE BENEFIT? OTHER THAN THE BUFFER PART.
IT'S GRASS THAT NEEDS TO BE MOWED, BUT THERE'S NO ACCESS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO GO WALKING AROUND IT AND BENEFIT FROM IT.
THAT'S, THERE'S NO WALKING PATH.
THERE'S NO BENCHES, THERE'S NO PARK HORSE, THERE'S NO NOTHING.
IT'S JUST A BIG LAWN THAT NOBODY CAN USE.
THERE'S ANOTHER DEFINITION OF OPEN SPACE BESIDES GRASS.
WELL, I, I, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I COULD, I COULD SEE IT, BUT I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS TIME AND OTHER TIMES BUY INTO PLANS.
THAT'S THEIR VISION OF THE PLAN.
IS THE MANICURED LAWN NICE, FLAT, GREEN GRASS.
WHAT USE? WELL, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT USE, THAT'S THEIR VISION.
IT'S WHAT THEY THINK THEY WANT.
IT'S, IT'S AESTHETICALLY PLEA TO THAT.
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IS CHANGING.I, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE ORDINANCES ARE CHANGING.
LIKE I SAID, THEY WON'T EVEN ALLOW YOU TO PUT GRASS.
LOOK AT THAT PLANT OVER THERE.
WE, WE APPROVED OVER THERE ON UM, UH, BY JP J.
THAT NEW, UH, TOLL BROTHERS PLANT.
I MEAN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THREE BASINS OVER THERE.
BUT THERE'S NO PLANS THAT DO ANYTHING WITH THOSE.
DO YOU THINK I KNOW THERE IS 'CAUSE WE PROVED THE PLANTS BECAUSE IT'S CHEAP.
WELL, PROBABLY IT'S CHEAP FOR, BUT I ALSO THINK PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE BUYING IN THERE, THERE'S AN AESTHETIC THAT THEIR VISION, WHEN THEY COME TO LIVE IN THESE HOUSES, THEY WANNA SEE THAT NICE GREEN GRASS.
NOW I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I DON'T DISAGREE.
THE PEOPLE ARE, I DON'T THINK THE RESIDENTIAL PEOPLE ARE READY TO MOVE THAT WAY AGAIN.
AND, AND, AND AGAIN, IT'S A MATTER OF EDUCATION.
I GREW UP IN SEATTLE AND I LIVED IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA WHERE OUR OPEN SPACE IN THIS ONE NEIGHBORHOOD IN VIRGINIA WAS NOT GRASS.
ONE WOMAN CALLED IT THE WILDERNESS.
AND I'M GOING TO WHAT IT WAS TREES WITH A PLAYGROUND IN VARIOUS PLACES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT WAS JUST THE TREES THAT WERE THERE NATURALLY.
THAT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE PLANTED.
AND THEN THEY WOULD GO IN AND THEY WOULD PUT IN A PLAYGROUND WITH SWINGS AND SLIDE AND YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
SEVERAL DIFFERENT PLACES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
RAS AND LAWN IN SEATTLE, SAME THING.
WELL I KNOW THAT IS A GOAL IS TO, AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF CHANGE THE WAY OUR OPEN SPACE WORKS, YOU HAVE TO START WITH WHERE DO WE HAVE TO START? YES.
WE HAVE TO START WITH EDUCATION.
COMMUNITY WITH FLYERS AND EDUCATING PEOPLE.
AND MAYBE WE NEED TO HAVE A COUPLE OF PUBLIC MEETINGS.
I WAS GONNA SAY WITH SPEAKERS THAT COULD WITH TALK TO COME IN AND TALK ABOUT THIS SORT OF THING.
I THINK IT, I THINK IT IS MAJORITY EDUCATION.
PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DON'T KNOW.
WELL THAT'S OUR THINGS WE PUT AT OUR TABLE.
BIRDS BUTTER DID, DID YOU KNOW? THERE YOU GO.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GONNA ARGUE WITH PUBLIC SPACES.
I THINK NOBODY, NOBODY'S GOING TO ARGUE WITH THAT.
YOU KNOW, A PUBLIC SPACE IN CHANGING WHATEVER YOU WANNA CHANGE TO IT.
NOBODY'S GONNA ARGUE WITH THAT.
I THINK THE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL GONNA LOOK NICE COMMUNITIES.
YOU AIN'T GONNA GET INTO THE COMMUNITIES.
IT WON'T BE OUR LIKE THAT IT'LL BE NEXT YEAR.
NO, IT MIGHT BE IN OUR LIFETIME.
I THINK THE YOUNGER PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT THE WORLD DIFFERENTLY.
WELL, PLUS THE OTHER THING IS THEY'RE NOT BUYING THE MILLION DOLLAR HOMES OVER AT THE TOLL BROTHERS JUST BUILDING OVER THERE ON UH, YOU KNOW.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE STARTING A MILLION PLUS.
THEY'RE NOT BUYING THOSE HOUSES.
I'M NOT SURE WHO YOUNG PEOPLE BUT
FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, THEY'RE YOUNG PEOPLE.
WELL IT'S LIKE MY MOTHER SAID, OH, HE WAS JUST A YOUNG MAN.
I MEAN, WELL IT WAS 20 YEARS OLDER THAN ME, BUT 20 YEARS YOUNGER THAN HER.
UM, SO THE PLAYGROUND OVER AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
EVERYBODY WAS SCREAMING ABOUT THEY WANTED SHADE.
SO YOU PUT UP PAVILION THINGS OR WE PUT UP THE SUN CHASE.
WHAT SHOULD BE OVER THERE IS TREES.
I DON'T BELIEVE THE TREES THAT THEY PUT IN, THEY PUT IN THOSE SKINNY ROOTED ONES THAT WILL DO NOTHING BUT STAY SKINNY.
THEY NEVER BRANCH, THEY NEVER GET BIG.
THEY WILL ALWAYS BE SKINNY AND IT TAKES THE BEST TIME TO PLANT THE TREE.
BUT THAT IS TREE WAS 20 YEARS AGO, BUT THE NEXT BEST TIME IS NOW
AND WE ARE IN THE AMPHITHEATER FIELD.
UM, PUBLIC WORKS JUST PUT IN A WHOLE HORSESHOE OF DIFFERENT SPECIES OF NATIVE TREES THAT WILL EVENTUALLY BRING SHADE TO THAT AREA.
'CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THERE EITHER.
UM, AND OUR GOAL WITH THE MEGA PLAYGROUND HERE IS THAT WE STARTED TO PUT IN, WE'RE PURCHASING BIGGER, MORE MATURE TREES TO PLANT TO, 'CAUSE WE GET COMPLAINTS ABOUT THERE'S NO SHADE OVER THERE.
SO WE'RE PLANTING TREES INSTEAD OF PURCHASING SUNSHADES.
SO THAT IS A STEP THAT WE'RE TAKING FORWARD NOW THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE IN THE PAST.
WHAT IS JOSH'S EDUCATION, JOB, WHATEVER.
WHAT IS HE? HE'S OUR PARKS FOREMAN.
AND UNDER, HE'S THE PARKS FOREMAN.
SO UNDERNEATH HIM WE HAVE AN ARBORIST.
SO BRIAN WESTLAKE IS OUR RESIDENT ARBORIST THAT, UM, GREW UP ON A TREE PARK.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS NO ROSE AND I COULDN'T REMEMBER WHO IT WAS.
THEY ALL WORK HAND IN HAND WITH MY DEPARTMENT.
AND WHEN SARAH WAS HERE, SHE WAS A BIG ADVOCATE.
AND WE HAVE A NEW PERSON ON OUR TEAM THAT YOU GUYS HAVE MET BOB, WHO'S UM, HAS ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION BACKGROUND GALORE.
SO THERE ARE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE STEPS IN DOING BETTER IN THAT REALM.
AND ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES WITH PUTTING TREES NEAR PLAYGROUNDS IS THE ROOT SYSTEM BUCKLING AND THEN TAKING THE PLAYGROUNDS UP.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS OF WHERE THEY'RE PLANTED AND
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HOW FAR AWAY THEY'RE PLANTED.WELL IT'S A SAFETY FACTOR THERE TOO.
WE DIDN'T PUT TREES NEAR PLAYGROUNDS.
THERE'S A BIG SAFETY FACTOR THERE.
I MEAN, I REMEMBER THERE BEING A LOT OF TREES AND SAFETY THIRD WHEN I WAS LITTLE.
WELL, WHATEVER KIND OF TREE, YOU KNOW, YOU GET STORMS, YOU GET WEATHER AND PEOPLE PLAYING AND TREES, BRANCHES ARE FALLING.
YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T NEED THAT.
I THINK THEY SHOULD CLIMB MORE TREES.
I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD CLIMB MORE TREES.
THAT'S JUST, THAT'S THAT'S MY, WITH LITTLE KIDS, I WISH THEY CLIMB MORE TREATMENT.
I MEAN, I, I REMEMBER WHEN THE SLIDES WERE HUMONGOUS AND YOU JUST, THEY'RE METAL AND THEY WERE METAL AND YOU NEEDED A PIECE OF, UM, WAX PAPER TO SLIDE DOWN.
THERE WERE LESS LAWYERS AND LESS KAREN'S BACK THEN TOO.
SO YOU WERE ALLOWED TO FALL AND GET HURT AND BREAK A LEG WITHOUT SUING THE TOWNSHIP.
WELL THE, THE JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL THAT I WENT TO, OPPOSITE ED OF THE PLAYGROUND, BLACKBERRY HEIGHTS, THEY WERE HUGE, HUGE BLACKBERRY ONES.
AND WE WOULD GO AND PICK THE BLACKBERRY.
WELL, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, SOMEONE APPARENTLY DECIDED THAT THEIR KIDS GOT SNAG BLACKBERRY THORN AND THEY RIPPED HIM AWAY.
THERE'S A, THAT'S A LITTLE OVERREACTION TO A PROBLEM, ISN'T IT? DEPENDING ON WHO YOU ASK.
I, I MEAN THE BLACKBERRY VINES HAD BEEN THERE FOR DECADES.
IS THERE, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU GUYS WANNA BRING UP AS WE CLOSE TONIGHT? GOOD QUESTION.
WE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO CIRCLE THE CAR SHOW TOO.
SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO HAVE A BOOTH AT.
'CAUSE THAT'S A VERY, AND IT'S A VERY, A LOT OF LOCAL PEOPLE COME TO THAT'S A VERY BIG LOCAL.
CAN YOU SIT AT THE BOOTH? I WILL TRY.
I WAS GONNA DO IT LAST THIS YEAR.
WE HAD IT, BUT MY DAUGHTER ENDED UP COMING UP AND I HAD TO SPEND TIME WITH MY GRANDKID.
BUT NO, I'M, NOW MY PLAN IS TO DO THAT ONE TOO.
I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE ONES I WAS GONNA DO.
I THINK LAST YEAR THAT WAS ONE OF THE PARK BOARD THAT WAS ONE WAS ONE YOU GUYS DID THE WHOLE BOARD WAS GONNA DO.
I THE PARK WAS THERE LAST YEAR.
THEY HELPED VOLUNTEER TO MAKE.
YEAH, BUT I MEAN YOU DID THAT.
BUT I DIDN'T, BUT I DIDN'T MAKE IT.
THIS WAS THE LADY WAS YOUR CHAIR.
AND THEN I ALWAYS, I DON'T THINK IT'D BE GOOD FOR THE LIGHT SHOW TO DO IT.
'CAUSE I DID THE LIGHT SHOW THIS YEAR, BUT, AND THAT'S AT NIGHT.
I, THAT'S A NIGHT AND IT'S COLD AND NO WANTS TO REALLY HANG OUT WITH YOU.
I WANNA HANG, I WANNA HANG OUT AT BON BON FIRE.
I DON'T HAVE ANY HAND STUFF OUT.
I'VE GROWN WEEDS IN THEIR YARD.
SO, UM, I WILL HAVE EXTRA, I WILL VOLUNTEER TO BE SECOND TO KEN AS FAR AS THE UH, CAR SHOW.
NOT THAT I WANT HANG OUT AND UM, BUT IF KEN CAN WE HAVE LOT OF TENTS IN DIFFERENT YEAH, THERE'S LOTS.
I'VE BEEN THERE, I'VE GONE TO A LOT OF COURSES, SHOWS.
THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST COMFY ONES.
YOU GOT, WE HAVE THIS WHOLE AREA.
YOU KNOW, YOU GO TO SOME SHOWS, ALL STUFF HOW MANY HOURS? IT'S ABOUT FOUR, NINE TO 2:00 PM THE EVENT ITSELF IS 10 TO ONE.
BUT THE TIME WE DO THE TROPHIES, EVERYTHING, IT GOES TO 2, 2 30.
NOT, IT'S NOT END INTO THE EVENING, RIGHT? NO, NO.
BUT IT FATHER PAUL IS 12 TO FOUR.
I CUT IT IT TO, INSTEAD OF BEING LIKE 10 HOURS, IT FOUR HOURS.
SHE MAKES YOU SHOW UP AN HOUR EARLY.
YOU HAVE TO BE, I'M THERE FOR 12 HOURS.
YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.
AND THE CORE SHOW AGAIN WAS 10.
I MEAN THAT, THAT SHOULDN'T BE TWO HOURS.
AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE DEALING WITH GET FREE.
WHEN DO I HAVE AN EVENT THAT DOESN'T HAVE FREE FOOD FOR ME? YOU GET CAUGHT.
ICE CAR PEOPLE ARE THE BEST PEOPLE.
ALL CAR PEOPLE ARE NICE PEOPLE.
FRIENDS OF MINE GO TO THE CAR SHOWS.
AND THE FALL FEST IS A GOOD ONE TOO BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF LESS BUSY.
I DON'T WANNA USE THE WORD LESS BUSY.
IT'S LIKE PEOPLE AREN'T IN A RUSH.
IT'S MORE BUSY, BUT IT'S MORE SPREAD OUT.
THERE'S MORE TIME TO SEE WHAT'S THERE.
THEY'RE NOT RUSHING IN GETTING OUT.
AND WE CAN PUT YOU IN TWO DIFFERENT, I MEAN THERE'S SO MANY PLACES TO PUT BOOTH AT FALL FEST VERSUS CAR SHOW.
SO WE CAN HAVE YOU IN THE PARKING LOT.
WE CAN HAVE YOU IN FRONT OF THE PLAYGROUND.
I AND YOU'RE THE BEER, THE DJ.
I'LL BE, I'LL VOLUNTEER FOR THAT ONE.
THAT'S WHEN WE GET MOST, YOU KNOW, 6,500 PEOPLE AT THAT ONE.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE TO TALK TO.
MOST OF THEM FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
I, I TAKE WHAT I CAN I USE THAT NUMBER? THAT'S FINE.
WELL IF THERE'S NOTHING, DID ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT? WHEN'S THE NEXT MARCH? FIFTH? IT IS MARCH 19TH.
THANK YOU FOR TAKING OVER FOR ME, SUE.
POOR SANDY WAS LIKE, UH, DO I HAVE A JOB HERE? AND I WAS LIKE, NO.
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OKAY.AND AN ACTION ITEM, NOT TO TAKE YOUR JOB, BUT JUST TO REITERATE, UH, JEFF WANTS EVERYBODY TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT THE YEAH.
READ THE ORDINANCES ON THE WEEDS, CLASSIC BAGS SO WE CAN DISCUSS IN BOTH.
ANYTHING ELSE FOLKS? DO HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOTION TO ADJOURN.
AND THE GODDESS IN THE SKY WILL TAKE CARE OF US.
HOW COME WE DON'T HAVE HER MORON?