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WELCOME[CALL TO ORDER]
EVERYBODY TO THE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP BOARD OF SUPERVISORS REGULAR MEETING FOR DECEMBER 2ND.I STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF STATES REPUBLIC FOR SUSTAINS NATION UNDER JUSTICE LAW.
[MOTION TO APPROVE BOARD AGENDA]
THE FIRST ONE IS A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BOARD AGENDA.I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
[PUBLIC COMMENT]
IS PUBLIC COMMENT.THE BOARD WILL HEAR FROM ANY INTERESTED RESIDENT OR TAXPAYER WOULD VOTE TO COMMENT ON AN AGENDA ON OR NOT ON THIS EVENING'S AGENDA.
YOU'RE ASKED TO KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.
UM, ANYBODY, IS THERE OPPORTUNITY DURING THE AGENDA OR IS THIS THE ONLY TIME IT'S, YEAH, BEFORE THE AGENDA? THIS IS THE ONLY TIME.
YOU SURE? BILL, I'M ASKING A QUESTION.
CAN WE SPEAK DURING THE AGENDA? YEAH.
NO, WE'RE GONNA, WE HAVE TO DO IT BEFORE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE, I'VE BEEN SPEAKING TO THEIR, THEIR APPLICATION SINCE AUGUST, SINCE THEY'VE PUT THE APPLICATION IN REGARDING SEVERAL THINGS.
UH, MAINLY THE CONNECTIVITY TO THE OPEN SPACE AND HOW THE, THE TENTATIVE PLAN, UH, DOESN'T REALLY SHOW THAT.
AND, UH, OF COURSE, THE, UH, THE WAY THE HOMES, 420 HOMES ARE CLUSTERED AT ONE END OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
THE CONCERNS REGARDING TRAFFIC PRIMARILY.
AND, UH, AND THEN JUST THE, UH, THE AESTHETICS OF THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE DESIGN OF PUTTING 420 UNITS WHEN WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO, YOU KNOW, SPREAD THIS OUT IN A FEW NEIGHBORHOODS.
THAT WOULD BE MY, MY MAIN, UH, COMMENT REGARDING THE, UH, APPLICATION FOR THE PARKHOUSE APPROVAL.
[EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT]
GONNA, UM, HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO REPORT ON.UH, WE MET AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TONIGHT TO DISCUSS REAL ESTATE NEGOTIATIONS AND POTENTIAL LITIGATION.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
ON TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE NOVEMBER 18TH, 2024 BOARD SUPERVISORS REGULAR MEETING MINUTES.
THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT, SO I'M GONNA MOVE ON
[OLD BUSINESS (ACTION/DISCUSSION ITEMS)]
TO ALL BUSINESS.SO IT'S CONSIDERED ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 40 REVOKING RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 30, AND APPROVING THE FINAL CALCULATIONS FOR 2025, MINIMUM MUNICIPAL OBLIGATION MMO FOR THE 2025 POLICE, FIRE AND NON-UNION PENSION PLANS.
DID WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE? DO EXPLAIN IT.
UH, UM, AS YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AN ACTUARY, BUT, UH, WE DID GET A LETTER FROM, UH, MOCK AND HOP, UM, ON NOVEMBER 27TH.
I KNEW THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS AT THE LAST MEETING REGARDING SOME OF THE DISCREPANCIES IN THE MMO, AND I THINK THAT LETTER, UM, THE LETTER THAT, UM, CARRIE TROUTMAN, THE ACTUARY, UM, SENT OUT, KIND OF CLARIFIED, UH, I THINK TO EVERYBODY'S SATISFACTION, UM, THE DIFFERENCES AND, UM, AND SOME OF THE ACCOUNT FLUCTUATIONS, UH, AND FEES.
SO, UM, SHE'S RECOMMENDING THAT WE GO FORWARD WITH THE RE REVISED NUMBERS, JUST SO THAT WE DON'T GET ANY POTENTIAL, UM, AUDIT FINDING.
UM, UH, SHE'S PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT WE WOULDN'T, BUT THIS WOULD BE A CLEANER RESOLUTION FOR A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 40 REVOKING RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 30, AND APPROVING THE FINAL CALCULATIONS FOR THE 2025 MINIMUM MUNICIPAL OBLIGATION FOR THE 2025 FIRE POLICE
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AND NON-UNIFORM PENSION PLANS.ALL THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LITTLE, UM, PRESENTATION.
IT'S CONSIDERED DOCKING RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 41 IN 2025, OPERATING AND CAPITAL BUDGET.
SO I'LL HAND IT OVER TO THANK YOU.
UH, MADAM CHAIR, I, FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO GIVE OUR CONDOLENCES TO JOE EGAN, WHO'S, UM, OUR FI NEW FINANCE DIRECTOR WHOSE MOTHER AND TIMELY PASSED AWAY.
AND SO WE, OUR PRAYERS ARE WITH HIM THIS EVENING.
UM, WANTED TO, UH, JUST GIVE A, A BRIEF HIGHLIGHT.
I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH AS MUCH DETAIL I, AS WE DID IN THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET IN OCTOBER.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WE DID PROMINENTLY DISPLAY, UH, THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET ON THE WEBSITE.
UM, ANYBODY WHO WANTED TO ASK QUESTIONS COULD GO ONLINE AND, UM, ASK ANY QUESTIONS.
AND I THINK, UH, THAT WAS DIRECTED WAS, UH, THOSE WERE, UM, ROOTED DIRECTLY TO THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT WHO ANSWERED, UH, UH, ANY QUESTIONS THAT RESIDENTS, RESIDENTS HAD.
AND I THINK, UH, THE LINKS WORKED.
SO I, UH, WE'RE HOPING TO DO THIS AGAIN NEXT YEAR TO IMPROVE THE TRANSPARENCY OF THE BUDGET PROCESS.
UM, JUST WANTED TO GIVE, UH, THE FINAL PIE, UH, BETWEEN THE OPERATING EXPENSES AND THE CAPITAL EXPENSES, UH, SENT TO YOU GUYS OVER THE WEEKEND.
UH, THE, THE FINAL PUTS AND TAKES FOR WHAT WE PRESENTED, UM, ON OCTOBER 21ST TO WHAT'S ON TONIGHT.
AND WE DID BETWEEN THE ADD THE PUTS, THE PUTS, WHICH ARE THE ADD-ONS TO THE BUDGET AND THE TAKES WE ADDED, UM, APPROXIMATELY, UM, WE, WE ADDED, UM, SOME ENHANCEMENTS OF AROUND 669,955.
HOWEVER, WE REDUCED, UH, WE REDUCED AROUND $3.6 MILLION.
MOSTLY, ALL OF THESE ARE IN, ARE IN CAPITAL BUDGET ITEMS. THE MOST SIGNIFICANT, UM, UM, DEFERMENT, I WOULDN'T SAY A CUT, BUT A DEFERMENT, IS THAT WE ARE, UH, WE WE'RE CUTTING THE PROJECT C IN HALF AND ONLY DOING $2.2 MILLION IN THE, IN, IN THE ROADWAYS, UH, PLAN FOR FORESEE.
WE ALSO, UM, UM, REMOVED SOME EQUIPMENT, UM, UH, UH, REGARDING IT IN TERMS OF MAINTENANCE OF STRIPING AND PARKING LOTS.
UM, UH, SOME AREAS THAT WE FIGURED THAT WE COULD RETOOL AND WE, UH, FINE TUNE SOME NUMBERS.
UM, BE FRANK, SOME VEHICLES, UH, ALL, ALL THAT TOTAL WOULD BE ABOUT 3,616,000.
SO WE GOT A FINAL BUDGETARY PIE TONIGHT OF ABOUT 23.2 MILLION.
AND, UH, ALPHA CAP CAPITAL EXPENSES OF ABOUT 14.8 MILLION.
CAPITAL EXPENDITURES ARE FIVE, UH, PRIMARY CATEGORIES.
WE RECENTLY, BETWEEN THE OCTOBER 21ST IN THE MEETING TONIGHT, WE, AS YOU KNOW, WE GOT A GRANT FOR THE, UH, FUEL STATION, UH, AT THE, AT THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO ADJUST OUR GRANTS AND DONATIONS UPWARDS.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AROUND, AROUND CLOSE TO $4 MILLION IN GRANTS INTO DONATIONS.
CAPITAL EXPENDITURE TOTAL IS ABOUT 5.6 THAT COMES, UM, GENERAL OR GENERAL CAPITAL EXPENDITURE FUND.
PARTS OF OPEN SPACE FUND IS ABOUT ONE 1 MILLION, 1.1 MILLION.
OUR LIQUID FUELS IS AROUND 730,000.
AND OUR SEWER CAPITAL FUND, UH, IS ABOUT $3.4 MILLION.
UM, JOE WENT OVER THIS SLIDE, UH, AT OUR PRELIMINARY.
THERE'S BEEN, UM, VERY LITTLE MOVEMENT IN THE NUMBERS.
I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT THE, THE, THE REVENUE SUMMARY AND EXPENDITURE SUMMARIES DUE BALANCE, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT 23.2 MILLION IN, IN THE GENERAL FUND, LIQUID FUELS, UM, PARKS AND REC AND, UM, SEWER ENTERPRISE AND CAPITAL EXPENDITURE.
MS IS A NEW FUND THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, WHICH WE'LL GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, UH, TONIGHT REGARDING THE, THE, UM, ENACTMENT OF THE NEW EMS BY AND THE CAPITAL SUPER CAPITAL FUND.
IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT TABLE ONE AND THEN TURN IT OVER TO TABLE TWO, JEFF, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT BOTH, BOTH ALL OF THESE ACCOUNTS ARE IN BALANCE.
SO THEY'RE A LOT OF THE PUTS AND TAKES WE WERE ABLE TO DO WITHIN LINE ITEMS WITHOUT IMPACTING THE BOTTOM LINES THAT MUCH.
UM, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE POINT, UH, POINTS OF THE REAL ESTATE ADJUSTMENT FOR, UH, THE EMS AND THE POLICE LED.
I JUST WANTED TO, UH, SHARE WITH YOU THE DIFFERENCES IN THE LEVY.
WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, UH, CURRENT, GOING FROM OUR, OUR 2024 LEVEE FROM 2.5 TO, UH, 2.75.
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ABOUT A QUARTER OF AN INCREASE, WHICH WE WILL, WE'RE GONNA, UH, HAVE, UH, CHIEF BRI AND SOME, UH, UH, AND SOME, UH, PEOPLE FROM THE AMBULANCE TO GO INTO ANY, A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THE EMS, UH, LEVY AND CHIEF FREEMAN WILL TALK ABOUT THE DETECTIVE, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, THAT'S ABOUT, UH, THAT'S ABOUT, UM, A A ABOUT $60, UH, PER YEAR FOR THE AVERAGE, UH, FOR THE AVERAGE RESIDENT.AND THAT WILL GET US, UM, EMS SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE FOR ALL RESIDENTS AND WILL ALLOW US TO GET ONE ADDITIONAL DETECTIVE.
AND I JUST WANT TO SHOW THAT WHERE WE RANK IN TERMS OF NEIGHBORING VILLAGE, UM, UPPER PROVIDENCE, UH, AT THE 2.75, WE WOULD STILL BE, UM, THE LOWEST IN THE REGION BEHIND PER AND TRAP, PER ENT TRAP, JUST SO YOU KNOW, DO NOT HAVE A, A, A CAREER FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THEY ALSO DON'T HAVE, UM, A POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT, THAT, THAT ABOUT, THAT ACCOUNTS FOR ABOUT 48% OF OUR BUDGET.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT OUR NEIGHBORING SCHOOL DISTRICT IN OUR COUNTY AND OUR TAX MILLAGE, WE'RE, WE ARE THE LOWEST WE FACTOR IN ALL THE SCHOOLS AND COUNTY IN TEXAS.
WE STILL ARE THE LOWEST, UM, TAXABLE ENTITY IN THE, UM, IN THE REGION.
AND FOR THE, ESPECIALLY FOR THE FULL SERVICE, FULL SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE.
I'M GONNA DEFER A LITTLE BIT NOW TO, UM, CHIEF RISSEL WHO WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT EMS, AND I'LL LET YOU CHIEF DEFER TO WHOEVER YOU WANT TO.
I KNOW YOU HAVE SOME GUESTS TONIGHT.
SO WE DID, DO WE, WE DID REVIEW THIS IN THE WORKSHOP, BUT AS YOU KNOW, THE WORKSHOP'S NOT TAPED.
SO WE WANTED, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO DO ANOTHER RENDITION OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
SORRY, I'M TOO TALL FOR THE MICROPHONE.
UM, WITH, WITH ME TONIGHT, UH, IS GEORGE GALLING, WHO'S THE, UH, A ANALYST CHIEF FOR FRIENDSHIP AMBULANCE OUTTA
SO HE WAS UNABLE TO MAKE IT TONIGHT.
UM, AND I, I THINK BOTH THAT IF YOU COULD COME FORWARD, UH, WE MAY END UP HAVING SOME QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR YOU, BUT BRIEFLY, IF YOU WOULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, JEFF.
UH, THEY, THEY, I, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS FOR, AT, AT LENGTH NOW, AND I THINK MOST OF THE COMMUNITY'S AWARE, AND MOST OF THE COUNTRY'S AWARE OF THE, UH, I MERCY MEDICAL SERVICES IN DIRE STRAI.
UM, THEY WERE STRUGGLING BEFORE COVID AND COVID ABSOLUTELY THREW THEM AS FAR DOWN AS POSSIBLE.
UM, INSURANCE ISN'T PAYING WHAT IT SHOULD BE.
SALARIES AREN'T WHERE THEY SHOULD BE.
MOST EMS ARE MEDICS AND EMTS ARE WORKING THREE AND FOUR JOBS JUST TO MAKE ENDS MEET, WHICH MEANS THEY'RE RUNNING FROM CREW, CREW TO STATION, STATION TO STATION, DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
UM, SO WE, WE FELT, UH, THROUGH DISCUSSIONS, AND ACTUALLY IT'S BEEN THE LAST TWO YEARS WE'VE DEVELOPED THAT WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING TO MAKE OUR EMS SYSTEM MORE SUSTAINABLE WITHIN OUR PROVIDENCE, UH, FOR A COUPLE REASONS.
FIRST, 'CAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
SECOND 'CAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SERVING THE RESIDENTS OF THE TOWNSHIP PROPERLY.
AND THIRD, UH, 'CAUSE BY LAW WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO THAT.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE A LITTLE OVER 2300 CALLS A YEAR.
UM, AS WE CONTINUE TO BUILD, THAT WILL GO UP SUBSTANTIALLY, ESPECIALLY DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF, UH, HOUSING PROJECTS THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN.
FRIENDSHIP COVERS ABOUT 80% OF THE TAX.
SO THE PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS TO, UM, MAKE A TAX LEVY THAT WOULD MAKE A MORE SUSTAINABLE INCOME THAT WE WOULD DIVVY BETWEEN THE THREE, UH, EMS CONTRACTED ANIMAL SERVICES THAT, THAT SERVED TAXABLE UPPER PROVINCE.
UH, WE, WE PAY THEM BASED ON CALLS.
WE PAY THEM TWICE A YEAR WHEN THEY ARE.
AND IT'S ALL BASED ON THE ARRIVAL LOCATION.
SO, UM, THEY HAVE TO SHOW UP TO ACTUALLY GET PAID.
AND IT'S BEEN A SYSTEM, AND THAT'S BEEN WORKING WELL FOR US.
THIS GUYS ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT OUR SYSTEM AND STARTING TO, TO CHANGE THE, TO THAT.
UH, WHAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE, 'CAUSE IF WE DID NOT HAVE THREE AMBULANCES SERVING US, THE STARTUP COSTS WOULD BE OVER 3 MILLION, AND THEN THE ANNUAL REQUIRING COST WOULD BE ALMOST 3 MILLION.
SO IT, RIGHT NOW, UM, WITH THE LEVY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO THE BOARD TONIGHT, IT AVERAGES OUT TO ABOUT $45 A HOUSEHOLD, OR $450,000 FOR THE 10,000 HOUSEHOLDS WE HAVE IN THE TOWNSHIP.
AND THAT MONEY THEN WOULD BE $450,000 WOULD BE DISTRIBUTED, UH, TO THE EMS AGENCIES, KIND OF ROUGHLY BASED ON WHAT YOU SAW IN
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THE LAST SLIDE.UM, I'LL ASK GEORGE AND BRIAN IF THEY WOULD COME UP, THEY CAN BRIEFLY TOUCH ON HOW, WHAT WE'RE REPLACING THIS WITH AS FAR AS, UM, WHAT THEY PRESENTLY DO IS A MEMBERSHIP SUBSCRIPTION AND WHAT THIS WILL TAKE, HOW THIS WILL TAKE THE PLACE WITH THAT, OH, YOU'RE GONNA GIVE IT OVER ME.
NO, I'M NOT GONNA BE THE ONLY ONE I WANT TO CRITIQUE YOU FROM HERE.
SO, UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, MY NAME'S BRIAN LINSKY.
I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR LOWER PROVIDENCE AMBULANCE.
UM, SO OBVIOUSLY AS, AS MIKE STATED, WE'RE, WE'RE COVERING ABOUT 14% OF THE CO UH, THE TOWNSHIP.
UM, BUT WITH THIS RESOLUTION, BASICALLY WE WOULD, THE WAY BILLING WORKS IS OBVIOUSLY SOMEBODY USES A SERVICE WE TAKE TO HOSPITAL.
UH, WE, WE, UM, BILL THEIR INSURANCE COMPANY.
SOMETIMES INSURANCE PAYS, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T.
IF THEY HAVE A SECONDARY INSURANCE, WE BILL THEM AFTER THAT.
THE, THE ONUS IS ON THE PATIENT TO MAKE UP THE BALANCE.
EVEN IF INSURANCE PAID A SMALL PORTION OF THE COST, WE WOULD LOVE IF INSURANCE COVERED A HUNDRED PERCENT AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.
BUT, UM, THEY PAY ABOUT 40%, 40 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR, ESPECIALLY MEDICARE, MEDICAID'S EVEN LESS SO.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A COST TO, TO THE PATIENT AFTER THEY USE OUR SERVICE.
UH, IN THE PAST, AN AMBULANCE OR AMBULANCE COMPANIES PUT SUBSCRIPTION PROGRAMS IN PLACE.
THEY'RE THERE TO HELP, UH, OFFSET.
IT'S KIND OF A, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMPANY TO COLLECT SOME MONEY UPFRONT AND THEN KIND OF OFFSET THOSE COSTS THROUGHOUT THE, THE YEAR, UH, WHILE, YOU KNOW, IN BETWEEN THE, THE PATIENTS THAT NEED THAT SERVICE.
UM, BY DOING THIS, BASICALLY WE, WE USUALLY WE DO IT VOLUNTARILY.
I SEE LESS THAN A 20% RETURN AND MY COVERAGE AREA FOR SUBSCRIPTIONS A SUBSCRIBER TO SIGN UP.
AND GEORGE, YOUR NUMBERS ARE 5.4, WHAT'S THAT? 5.4%? 5.4%.
SO EVEN A LITTLE LESS WHERE HE, WHERE YOU HAVE.
SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT SEEING A FULL RETURN FROM EVERY RESIDENT IN, IN OUR COVERAGE AREA.
SO, UH, OBVIOUSLY PUTTING THIS, THIS IN PLACE, IT WOULD KIND OF ONE GUARANTEE THAT, UH, AND IT ALSO PROVIDES EVERY RESIDENT THE SERVICE OF THE SUBSCRIPTION PROGRAM, WHICH USUALLY, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF SERVICE IS USED, UH, IF WE'RE TRANSPORTING, UH, WHICH IS USUALLY ONE WE CAN ONLY BILL FOR THE MOST PART, UM, WE WOULD WRITE OFF THE BALANCE, UH, OF, FOR THAT PATIENT.
SO BY, YOU KNOW, RECEIVING THE FUNDS FROM THE TOWNSHIP, UH, YOU, WE WOULD, UH, WRITE OFF THAT BALANCE FOR THAT MINUS THE DEDUCTIBLE.
AND THE REASON WHY WE HAVE TO PUT THAT IN PLACE IS OVER A COUPLE YEARS AGO WITH THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, WE SAW DEDUCTIBLES GO FROM 50 TO A HUNDRED DOLLARS TO, I'VE SEEN $4,500 DEDUCTIBLE PLANS, WHICH IS WAY MORE THAN OUR BILL.
SO IF WE START WRITING OFF ALL THE DEDUCTIBLES, THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE WE'RE NOT GONNA COLLECT ANY MONEY.
UH, SO THAT WOULD BE, THERE'S A COUPLE CAVEATS THERE.
I THINK WE ALSO PUT IN, UH, LIFT ASSIST SERVICE IS WHERE WE, WE GO, A LOT OF TIMES WE GO AND JUST PICK SOMEBODY UP, UM, MORE OF OUR SENIOR POPULATION, THEY JUST, NOBODY'S HOME CAN'T GET UP ON THEIR OWN.
UM, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN BUILD THE INSURANCE COMPANY FOR.
SO WE'D HAVE TO EITHER BUILD A PROVIDER OR THE PATIENT OR, OR JUST EAT THE COST.
UM, SO WE WOULD PROVIDE TWO DIFFERENT LIFT OF SERVICES THERE.
UM, WE HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS IN, IN HERE.
BASICALLY WE REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH GETTING COLLECT INSURANCE INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, JUST 'CAUSE YOU HAVE A SUBSCRIPTION OR YOU'RE AS, AS A TAXPAYER THAT WE'RE NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST GONNA WRITE OFF THE, AND FORGET ABOUT US.
WE, WE DO NEED TO AT LEAST TRY TO COLLECT SOME MONEY FROM THE INSURANCE COMPANY.
UM, I THINK WE HAD SOME OTHER, UH, DIFFERENT CAVEATS THROUGH, THROUGH HERE.
UH, LONG-TERM CARE FACILITIES, UM, WOULD ACTUALLY NOT BE COVERED.
THAT'S ONE THING JUST TO GET PUT OUT THERE JUST BECAUSE IT'S EASIER.
YOU'RE STILL NURSING AND THERE'S A LOT OF TURNOVER.
SO TRYING TO CAPTURE ALL THOSE INDIVIDUALS EVERY TIME GETS A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING.
UM, AND THEN ONE OF THE TIMES IS WHERE WE CAN'T BUILD, OBVIOUSLY WE TALKED ABOUT IS IF WE COME OUT TO, TO A LOCATION PROVIDES SERVICE, BUT THEY DON'T GO TO THE HOSPITAL, IT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE CALL A TREAT AND RELEASE, UH, A TREAT OR NO TRANSPORT, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD NOT BE COVERED BECAUSE, UH, THERE'S NOBODY TO BILL FOR THAT.
INSURANCE COMPANIES DON'T PAY FOR THAT.
THEY WANT YOU TO BE TAKEN TO THE HOSPITAL.
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE GET PAID.
SO THERE ARE SOME, SOME LITTLE MINOR, UM, YOU KNOW, STANDARD WITH THE RESOLUTION, BUT OVERALL, UH, IT DEFINITELY WOULD BE A COST SAVINGS.
IT WOULD, WOULD BE APPLIED TO EVERY RESIDENT.
UH, THAT'S ALL WE FAVOR COVERED THE TOWNSHIP JUST TO STAFF FOR THAT ALSO.
UH, AND HOPEFULLY, UM, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY NOBODY NEEDS OUR SERVICES.
BUT WE'RE WE'RE THERE IF WE NEEDED.
IF ANYTHING I MISSED, PROBABLY MISSED IT ALL.
I'LL STAND BEHIND YOUR SUPPORT.
GEORGE ANO, CHIEF OF FRIENDSHIP AMBULANCE.
UH, AGAIN, APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.
UM, THERE ARE SOME NEGATIVE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THIS KIND OF PROGRAM.
UH, IT, IT'S IMPLEMENTED ON A A, A COUPLE OF THINGS OF POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE.
THE NEGATIVES ARE CERTAIN INSURANCES, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED BEFORE.
UH, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY SEND THE CHECK TO YOU, THE RESIDENT TO YOU, THE THE MEMBER, THE CARDHOLDER, THE INSURANCE CARRIER DIRECTLY, UH, THE INSURED.
AND, AND A LOT OF OUR MONEY GETS KEPT, RIGHT? IT DOESN'T GET FORWARDED TO, TO THE SERVICE.
SO ONE THING THAT WAS IMPORTANT WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS
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WAS TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT UNFORTUNATELY THERE WAS A KIND OF A PENALTY.SO THE TOWNSHIP IS GONNA BE GRACIOUS ENOUGH IF THEY APPROVE THE BUDGET TO DO THIS, WHERE EVERY HOUSEHOLD IN THE MUNICIPALITY WOULD BE COVERED.
IT ALSO WOULD INCLUDE IF YOU TRAVEL OUTSIDE OF YOUR HOUSE AND YOU DO GET INJURED OR SICK, AS LONG AS YOU'RE STILL IN UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP, THAT MEMBERSHIP STILL CARRIES.
SO I, I KNOW AT ONE POINT I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH, WITH BRIAN BACK HERE, UM, WHAT HAPPENS IF MRS. SMITH IS UP ON 4 22 IN THE HER PROVIDENCE SECTION, YOU KNOW, AND SHE'S IN A, SHE'S IN A CAR CRASH, GOD FORBID, UM, YOU KNOW, PENDING THE AUTO INSURANCE.
AGAIN, SHE'S IN UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP, THE MEMBERSHIP WOULD CARRY 'CAUSE SHE'S A RESIDENT OF THE TOWNSHIP.
SO THERE'S THE POSITIVE, THE NEGATIVE IS IF YOU DECIDE TO GET THE CHECK FROM BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD OR AETNA, AND YOU DECIDE NOT TO PAY THE EMS SERVICE, IT'S MONEY.
YOU ARE GONNA BE CANCELED OUT OF THIS PROGRAM UNTIL YOU MAKE US WHOLE.
SO THERE'S THE NEGATIVE SIDE OF IT.
SO AS MUCH AS WE HAVE THE GOOD, AND THIS IS GOOD, AND THE SIX MUNICIPALITIES THAT FRENCH BA MAIL SERVES, UH, I CAN TELL YOU THAT FOUR OF THE SIX, UH, DO THIS PROGRAM.
UH, THEY COVER THE, THE RESIDENTS AND THE HOUSEHOLD SPECIFICALLY, THE $45 IS THE NEUTRAL NUMBER.
UM, AND, AND AFTER EVERYTHING'S BEEN MET, AS BRIAN EXPLAINED DEDUCTIBLE WISE, THEN YOU'RE COVERED AND EVERYTHING GETS WAIVED FROM THERE.
SO IT'S A BENEFIT, IT'S A HUGE BENEFIT FOR THE RESIDENTS TO HAVE THIS.
LIKE I SAID, WE'RE SENDING OUT, UH, ALMOST 9,000 PIECES OF MAIL FOR MEMBERSHIP.
UH, AND WE'RE GETTING BETWEEN ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES TO SERVE, WE'RE GETTING ABOUT 11% RETURN OF 9,000 PIECES OF MAIL.
SO WE'RE SPENDING ALMOST 20,000 TO COLLECT 80.
UM, SO THIS ENSURES US A HUNDRED PERCENT SATURATION.
UH, AND, AND IT ACTUALLY BENEFITS AGAIN, THE RESIDENT AND THE AMBULANCE BECAUSE WE HAVE ADDITIONAL INCOME RESOURCES FROM THIS TO SUSTAIN WHAT OUR OPERATIONS IS DOING.
SO A QUESTION TO CLARIFY THE SUBSCRIPTION FOR THE UPPER PROVIDENCE RESIDENTS THAT WHEN THEY NEED AN AMBULANCE, THERE'S, IT'S STILL GONNA BE THE SAME SYSTEM IN THAT THE INSURANCE GETS INVOLVED.
SO WHAT'S THE BENEFIT OF THE $45 COVERING THE RESIDENCE? IF, IF IT'S ANYTHING THAT'S BALANCED? SO AS BRIAN EXPLAINED, MOST TIMES, IF YOU'RE HAVING, IF YOU'RE HAVING A HEART ATTACK AND, AND WE TRANSPORT YOU WITH, WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING, IT'S ABOUT A 2000 BILL.
MOST TIMES, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD AETNA COMMERCIAL TYPE, NOT MEDICARE OR MEDICAID, THEY'RE GONNA PAY A PERCENTAGE OF THAT DEPENDING ON YOUR DEDUCTIBLE.
SO MOST TIMES PEOPLE ARE STUCK WITH ABOUT A FOUR OR $500 BILL BECAUSE THAT'S THE BALANCE OWED BY THE CARDHOLDER.
ONCE THAT DEDUCTIBLE'S BEEN MET, THAT $45 WOULD COVER THAT FOUR OR $500.
IF THE DEDUCTIBLES BEEN MET AFTER THE INSURANCE HAS BEEN EXHAUSTED, WE WOULD WAIVE THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY FROM THEM OWING IT.
SO IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE AMBULANCE RIGHT, IN THE HOSPITAL, BUT IT DOES PIECES OUTSIDE THAT IT INCLUDES NO, IT INCLUDES THE RIDE THAT IT INCLUDES EVERYTHING.
ONCE THE BILL'S BEEN PAID BY THE INSURANCE AND THE DEDUCTIBLE'S BEEN MET, WHATEVER THE BALANCE OWED BY THE INDIVIDUAL WOULD BE WAIVED FOR THAT $45.
THAT'S WHAT THE MEMBERSHIP IT SAYS.
NOW, WHO'S KEEPING TRACK OF WHO GETS THE CHECK AND THEN DOESN'T PAY YOU? IS THAT ON? WELL, OUR, OUR BILLING COMPANY AS WELL AS THEIRS, OUR BILLING COMPANY GETS NOTIFIED.
SO THE FUNNY THING ABOUT THESE COMMERCIAL INSURANCE COMPANIES, THEY WON'T SEND THE CHECK TO US, BUT THEY'LL TELL US THEY SENT IT AND IT'LL TELL US WHEN THE PERSON CASHED IT, BUT THEY WON'T SEND IT TO US.
SO WE'LL KNOW EXACTLY WHEN THE PERSON RECEIVED IT.
WE MAY EVEN KNOW THE CHECK NUMBERED THE AMOUNT, EVERYTHING ABOUT IT.
SO THEN WE SEND IT, OUR BILLING COMPANY SENDS NOTICE TO THE INDIVIDUAL LIKE, HEY, WE KNOW YOU GOT THIS, WE KNOW THE AMOUNT, WE KNOW WHEN YOU CASHED IT.
WE KNOW THE DATE, WE KNOW THE CHECK NUMBER.
AND JANUARY'S THE WORST TIME BECAUSE EVERYBODY CA CASHES IT AND PAYS CHRISTMAS BILLS WITH THE CORRECT
YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, SOMEONE ELSE IS DOING THE CA, LIKE I DON'T WANT THAT ON THE TOWN SHEET.
NO, THIS WOULD BE THROUGH OURS IF I COULD.
THE, UM, THE, THE WAY WE'VE SET EVERYTHING UP IS THE, IT WOULD ALMOST BE EXACTLY LIKE WE'RE DOING NOW.
UM, EXCEPT THEY WOULD NOT, THE AMBULANCES WOULD NOT HAVE TO SEND OUT A MEMBERSHIP SUBSCRIPTION TO ANYBODY, AND THAT FIVE TO 18% OF RETURN WOULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD BE ON THE AMBULANCES TO TAKE CARE OF BILLING, INSURANCE COLLECTION, UM, EVERYTHING EXCEPT PROBABLY NOTIFYING US THAT THEY'RE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THE PROGRAM.
UM, BEYOND THAT, THIS IS ALL WRITTEN OUT, SO IT WILL BE COMPLETELY 100% ON ANALYSIS TO, TO A MISSED OR, UM, I HAVE, WE, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE READING OFF, WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS, IS A RESOLUTION THAT, UM, I'LL BE TURNING TO CHERYL FOR NEXT MONTH, WHICH ESSENTIALLY OUTLINES WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
UM, BUT PUTTING THIS, TODAY, WE'VE BEEN PUTTING THE CART FOR THE COURSE.
SO, UM, IT'S, IT OUTLINES BASICALLY TO THE RESIDENTS.
THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE ENTITLED TO THROUGH THIS.
UM, WHICH SHOULD WHAT, UH, GEORGIA BRIAN JUST SAID.
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SO WE TRIED TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO TAKE IT OUT OF OUR HANDS AND BUY THEM A SUSTAINABLE INCOME, UM, SORT OF REMAIN STATUS QUO WITH HOW WE'VE BEEN JUST, INSTEAD OF OUR BUDGET THIS YEAR WAS 175,000 FOR EMS, WE GO UP TO 450,000 PER EMS. SO IT PUTS THEM ON A, A, A MUCH MORE SUSTAINABLE TRACK.AND BY INCORPORATING AS PART OF A LEVY OR TAX FROM THE TOWNSHIP, THEY KNOW THE MONEY'S THEN COMING TO THEM NEXT YEAR INSTEAD OF, UM, ONE DAY THE, YOU KNOW, A NEW BOARD.
SO WE DON'T LIKE THIS ANYMORE.
THERE'S MORE ACTIONS TO THAT BE TAKEN OTHER THAN EACH YEAR HAVING APPROVAL THROUGH THE BUDGET.
AND THE BIG, THE BIG REASON IT COMES DOWN TO, IF YOU REMEMBER THE PRESENTATION, WE TALKED ABOUT BUDGET STUFF, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT TYPES OF INSURANCE OUTSIDE OF THE BAD DEBT, THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T PAY FOR THE MONEY THAT'S KEPT AND OUTSIDE OF STUFF THAT'S CALLED CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENTS, WHICH MEANS THE MEDICARES AND MEDICAIDS TELL YOU WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO PAY WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, BECAUSE IT'S FEDERAL, RIGHT? SO IF THE BILL'S 2000 AND MEDICARE TURNS AROUND AND SAYS, THAT'S ONLY WORTH 1100, WE CAN'T BALANCE BILL, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT, WE HAVE TO WRITE OFF THAT $900.
SO IF YOU REMEMBER DURING MY PRESENTATION, UM, I'M PRETTY SURE IF YOU RECALL, UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP ALONE WAS ABOUT $1.1 MILLION OF DEBT THAT WE HAD TO WRITE OFF, UM, THE FRIENDSHIP AMBULANCE LAST YEAR IN 23 WITH ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES, BECAUSE WE HAVE AN OLDER AGED COMMUNITY AND WE HAVE A LOT OF MEDICAID MEDICARE TYPE INSURANCES.
WE HAD $3.7 MILLION OF OUR MONEY THAT HAD TO BE WRITTEN OFF.
THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY BUSINESSES SUSTAINED THEMSELVES WITH ALMOST $4 MILLION BEING TOLD YOU CAN'T COLLECT IT, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED.
UM, SO THESE KIND OF BENEFITS FROM THE PARTNERS, OUR MUNICIPALITY PARTNERS IS WHAT IS GAINING TRACTION WITH ALL THE INDUSTRY FAILURES THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON AND ALL THE CLOSED AMBULANCES THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THIS KIND OF STUFF TO OCCUR.
YOU SAID LONG-TERM CARE IS NOT COVERED.
WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY THAT? JUST LIKE THE AMBULANCE FROM A FACILITY TO THE HOSPITAL OR, YEAH, SO ANY OF THE EXTENDED CARE FACILITIES, BECAUSE THEY'RE PROBABLY MEDICARE, MEDICAID, SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY INFLUENCE A MEMBERSHIP FOR THEM.
UH, BECAUSE THE INSURANCE IS KIND OF PREDETERMINED BY, AGAIN, MEDICARE OR MEDICAID.
UH, IT'S NOT A COMMERCIAL BASED INSURANCE, WHICH MOST RESIDENTS WOULD HAVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN EVEN SOME OF THE OLDER RESIDENTS THAT HAVE THE MEDICAID AND MEDICARE, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF BALANCE BILLING THAT'S PERMITTED WITH THAT.
SO WE JUST GOTTA BE CAREFUL WITH THE EXTENDED CARE FACILITIES.
HOW, HOW YOU'LL SEE WRITTEN NEXT MONTH, UH, WOULD BE LONG TERM CARE FACILITIES, SKILLED NURSING FACILITIES, HEALTHCARE COMMUNITIES, OR OTHER SIMILAR HOMES OR FACILITIES.
THEY'RE NOT COVERED BY THE CONTRACTED EMS PROVIDERS.
AND WE EITHER NEGOTIATE A SEPARATE CONTRACT OR DON'T THEY TAKE CARE OF THAT BUILDING ON THEIR OWN.
SIMILAR TO, UH, BUSINESSES AND COMPANIES WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP, THEY'RE NOT COVERED.
NON-RESIDENTS ARE NOT COVERED.
YOU'RE A VISITOR TO THE TOWNSHIP.
YOU'RE NOT COVERED IF YOU'RE BASICALLY, IF YOU'RE NOT A HOUSEHOLD THAT'S PAYING INTO THE TOWNSHIP, YOU'RE NOT COVERED BY THIS BENEFIT, WHICH IS KIND OF THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF THIS, THE INFORMATION WE PUT IN THE RESOLUTION ACTUALLY CAME FROM BOTH OF OUR SUBSCRIPTION PLANS THAT WE CURRENTLY RUN.
SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE STUFF IS WHAT WE'VE ALREADY PRESENTED TO YOUR RESIDENTS ALREADY THAT WE, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE THE SERVICE.
THESE ARE THE KIND OF THE GUIDELINES.
THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T TURN THE CHECK OVER OR YOU DON'T GIVE US INSURANCE INFORMATION.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T ALREADY KIND OF EXPOSED THEM TO OVER THE YEARS OF, OF PROVIDING THE SUBSCRIPTION PROGRAMS IN THE TOWNSHIP.
AND THEN OUR RESIDENTS WON'T GET ANY MORE OF THESE MAILERS ASKING TO BE PART OF THE SUBSCRIPTION.
THAT'S ONE LAST THING TO WORRY ABOUT.
WHAT'S THIS MAILING LIST TO WORRY ABOUT? CORRECT.
SO THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS.
THAT LEADS US TO THAT FIRST, UH, MOTION, WHICH IS TO APPROVE THE 2025 OPERATING CAPITAL.
THAT'S, UH, LET ME FINISH THE, WE FINISHED THE, OH, SORRY, FINISH THE PRESENT.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE LAST SLIDE.
UM, MOVING ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UM, I'M GONNA MOVE NOW TO THE, UH, POLICE REQUEST FROM THE DETECTIVES.
SO DO YOU RECALL DE UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHIEF, AND JUST FOR, TO MIKE'S POINT, UH, JUST TO KIND OF HIT THAT HOME A LITTLE BIT, UH, MY MOTHER-IN-LAW, UH, WAS, UH, IN, UH, LIVING IN, UH, LOW S AND, UH, HAD A COMPOUND FRACTURE HAD TO BE TAKEN TO THE HOSPITAL AND ENDED UP WITH A $1,200 BILL THAT SHE HAD TO PAY THAT INSURANCE DIDN'T COVER.
UH, SO I THINK A SYSTEM LIKE THIS BACK THEN WOULD'VE BEEN VERY, VERY HELPFUL BECAUSE MY WIFE PAYS ALL THE BILLS AT THE TIME, AND SO SHE'S LIKE, WHAT IS THIS BILL? YOU KNOW? I WAS LIKE,
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NO.AND SHE FOUGHT WITH, UH, MEDICARE AND, AND, AND HER SUPPLEMENTAL, AND THEY JUST REFUSED TO PAY.
SO IT, IT'S A GOOD THING, UH, FROM THE POLICE REQUEST, UH, PROBABLY A LITTLE SIMPLER
UM, AND, AND THE SLIDE THAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT HERE IS JUST ONE OF, UH, SEVERAL SLIDES, UM, AND THE POWERPOINT THAT I SHOWED AT THE WORKSHOP, IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT UPPER PROVIDENCE, WE COVER, UH, 18, APPROXIMATELY 18 SQUARE MILES.
AND, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE GEOGRAPHIC, UM, UH, COMPONENT OF THE TOWNSHIP, UH, OAKS HAS THE LOWE'S, BJ'S TARGET, AND OF COURSE THE, UH, PHILADELPHIA EXPO CENTER.
UH, IF YOU LOOK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TOWNSHIP, UH, WEGMAN SHOPPING CENTER, A LOT OF BIG BOX STORES THERE AS WELL.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, A BRIDGE PIKE, THE UPPER END SEVEN TWO, UH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT TARGET GIANT AND A LOT OF STORIES, UH, AS WELL AND ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, AND WE HAVE ABOUT, UH, 24,000, UH, 600 RESIDENTS AT THE MOMENT.
AND THAT NUMBER'S GONNA BE INCREASING BECAUSE THE TOWNSHIP CONTINUES TO GROW.
UM, AND LOOKING AT POLICE SERVICES, AND THIS HAS COME UP THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, UM, SOME BY DEVELOPERS, UH, SOME BY RESIDENTS ABOUT THE NEED TO INCREASE PUBLIC SAFETY BASED ON THE DIRECTION OF THE DETACHMENT.
IT'S GONNA LIKE A SENSE OF, UH, HOW, UH, HOW MUCH GROWTH THERE IS.
THERE'S, UH, NOT ONLY CURRENTLY, BUT UH, IN THE FUTURE, UM, WE HAVEN'T HAD, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS NOT HAD A STAFFING INCREASE, UH, SINCE 2017.
UH, SO, UH, APPROXIMATELY EIGHT YEARS AGO, UH, WE WERE 29 OFFICERS, AND WHEN WE SAY 29 OFFICERS, THAT INCLUDES MYSELF AND, AND THE LIEUTENANT.
SO WE'RE NOT OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, UH, ANSWERING CALLS OR SERVICING AND RUNNING, UH, YOU KNOW, INVESTIGATING THINGS.
SO THAT, THAT 29 AND ALL OF THOSE NUMBERS FROM ALL OF THOSE AGENCIES ARE, UH, COMMAND STAFF AS WELL AS, UH, PATROL OFFICERS AND DETECTIVES.
UM, AND SO, UH, THIS PAST YEAR, I, I DID A DEEP DIVE INTO, UH, UM, OUR NEEDS KNOWING THAT, THAT THE BUDGET WAS GONNA BE, UH, COMING UP.
AND WHAT I'VE DETERMINED IS THAT, UM, WE ARE IN NEED OF A ANOTHER DETECTIVE.
AND ONE OF THE EXAMPLES THAT I USE FOR THE BOARD, UM, AND THIS, AGAIN, IT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE FOR ONE BUSINESS WITH THE PHILADELPHIA EXPO CENTER, UH, GREAT PEOPLE DOWN THERE, WE GET ALONG GREAT, UM, UH, BUT THEY'RE, THEY GET BUSIER AND BUSIER EVERY YEAR.
BUT JUST FROM ONE SHOW, WHICH IS THE GUN SHOW THAT IS HELD ABOUT FIVE TIMES A YEAR THERE, WE, UH, WE HAVE ABOUT 150, UH, CASES THAT WE GET JUST FROM THE GUN SHOWS THAT ARE THERE THAT OUR DETECTIVES HAVE TO INVESTIGATE.
ON TOP OF THAT, IN GENERAL, WE'RE A LITTLE UNDER 300 CALLS LAST YEAR FOR THE XBOX CENTER ALONE FOR ALL THE SHOWS.
UM, SO YOU CAN IMAGINE THE AMOUNT OF INVESTIGATIVE WORK, UM, THAT GOES INTO THIS.
THE 150, UH, SPECIFIC CASES FOR THE GUNSHOT WERE CALLED FIXED CASES, UH, PENNSYLVANIA INSTANT CHECK SYSTEMS. IN OTHER WORDS, SOMEONE HAS TRIED TO PURCHASE A WEAPON WHEN THEY WEREN'T LEGALLY ALLOWED TO DO SO.
UH, THE PROBLEM WITH, UH, THAT IS THAT THEY DON'T KNOW IF, NOTIFY US IMMEDIATELY WHEN THIS HAPPENS, UH, WE GET NOTIFICATION ANYWHERE FROM SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR LATER FROM THE STATE POLICE IS SAY, BY THE WAY, UM, ON THIS DATE AND TIME THIS OCCURRED, GO INVESTIGATE IT AND GIVE US SOMETHING IN WRITING THAT SAYS IT WAS INVESTIGATED AND ALSO, UH, WHAT THE CONCLUSION WAS.
AND SO EACH OF THOSE CASES, UH, TRYING TO BACKTRACK AND TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, VIDEO AND, AND TRACKING DOWN INDIVIDUALS AND, UH, FINDING OUT IF IN FACT THEY'RE, UH, WERE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO TRY TO OBTAIN A WEAPON IF IT WAS A MISTAKE, OR IF IT WAS AN ACTUAL STRAW PURCHASE.
ESSENTIALLY, THE EXPERT CENTER COULD, UH, I COULD ASSIGN ONE DETECTIVE JUST FOR THE CRIMES AND, UH, THAT ARE REPORTED DOWN THERE, UH, ALONE.
AND THEN I'M GONNA SAY INDUSTRY STANDARD, BUT, UM, AND I, I GUESS IT, IT KIND OF IS.
BUT, UM, CALLING AROUND TO A LOT OF MONTGOMERY COUNTY, UH, AGENCIES, UM, THAT ARE SIMILAR TO OUR SIZE AND, AND POPULATION, UH, WHICH I'VE LISTED SOME HERE.
UH, AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE STAND.
WE HAVE ONE OF THE HIGHEST POPULATIONS OUT OF THAT LIST.
I THINK WE'RE THE THIRD OR FOURTH ON THAT LIST, MAYBE FIFTH.
BUT, UM, AND WE HAVE, UH, THE LOWEST NUMBER OF OFFICERS, UH, AND THREE DETECTIVES, INCLUDING IN THAT 29.
SO AGAIN, THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY OTHER, UH, CRIMES THAT OCCURRED AT LOWE'S TARGETS.
AND ALL THE BIG BOX STORES ARE ALL TARGETED, UM, BY, UH, CAREER CRIMINALS, UH, TEAMS OF PEOPLE THAT COME DOWN TO, TO, UH, PICKPOCKET RESIDENTS.
I MEAN, YOU NAME IT, IT HAPPENS.
UH, SO, UH, UH, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, UH, WEGMANS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT'S A HIGH TARGET AREA.
UM, BUT ALL THAT TO SAY, UH, THE NEED FOR THE, UH, THE FOURTH DETECTIVE, UH, IS WHAT I WANT
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TO THE TOWNSHIP FOR THE CONSIDERATION.UM, CURRENTLY OUR DETECTIVES INVESTIGATE ABOUT 25 TO 30 CASES THAT THEY HAVE OPEN EVERY MONTH TO, TO INVESTIGATE IT.
AND AGAIN, THE INDUSTRY STANDARD REALLY IS SOMEWHERE AROUND BETWEEN 10, 12, MAYBE 15 CASES.
SO ADDING A FOURTH DETECTIVE WOULD GET US TO THAT POINT.
AND, UM, AND AGAIN, EVERYTHING I'M TALKING ABOUT DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE EVERYTHING THAT THE RESIDENTS ACTUALLY REPORT.
SO IT ALLOWED OUR DETECTIVES TO BE FREED UP TO BE A LITTLE MORE PROACTIVE AND, AND THE THINGS THAT THEY DO, UH, DRUG INVESTIGATIONS AND SO FORTH, SURVEILLANCES AND SO FORTH, UM, WHEN THEY HAVE A LINE OF CASELOAD VERSUS JUST REACTIVE, UH, JUST TRYING TO KEEP THEIR HEAD ABOVE WATER.
THIS IS OUR, UM, THE LAST PAGE OF THE TRANSMITTAL LETTER, UH, IS THE FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
WE DIDN'T GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL ON YEARS 26 THROUGH 29, BUT WE'RE LOOKING, THIS IS SOME OF OUR PROJECTIONS OVER THE NEXT, UH, FOUR YEARS, UM, AS SOME OF THIS MAY ASSUME, UH, SOME BONDING AND ALSO ARE CONTINGENT ON PRE APPLICATIONS THAT WE HAVE BEFORE THE, UM, UH, FOR BEFORE, UM, THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND ALSO PRO PERSPECTIVE WILL SHARE CONTRIBUTIONS FOR SOME OF OUR TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
SO, UM, HOPEFULLY OUR GOAL NEXT, UH, JOE AND UH, I ARE HOPING TO DO A, UH, DO A DEEPER DIVE ON SOME OF THE OUTER YEARS ON, ON FUNDING STRATEGIES.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE BUDGET? A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION.
FIRST, I'D LIKE TO THANK MR AND JOE EGAN AND ALL OF THE DEPARTMENT MANAGERS.
THIS IS THE BIGGEST PROJECT OF THE YEAR.
AND WHEN WE WERE GETTING READY TO GO INTO OUR BUDGET WORKSHOPS IN OCTOBER, I INVITED THE PUBLIC TO COME.
VERY FEW DID, BUT THOSE ARE THE MEETINGS WHERE ALL OF THESE THINGS GET FLESHED OUT AND WE START BOUNCING THE NUMBERS BACK AND FORTH, AND IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS UNTIL WE GET TO DECEMBER AND, AND A FINAL BUDGET.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK, YOU, ESPECIALLY JOE, I THINK WHEN HE CAME IN OVER EIGHT MONTHS AGO.
AND NOT ONLY DID WE HAND HIM ALL THE BALLS TO JUGGLE, BUT WE SETTLED ON FIRE AT THE SAME TIME.
SO I, I JUST, THIS WAS A PARTICULARLY TOUGH YEAR AND YOU GUYS DID A GREAT JOB.
SO I'LL BE HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 41 APPROVING THE 2025 OPERATING AND CAPITAL BUDGET.
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MOVING ON TO NEW BUSINESS.THIS IS CONSIDERED ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 42 APPROVING THE TAX LEVY FOR THE FINDING FISCAL YEAR 2025.
THIS IS FOR THE A MS. WE WENT OVER THIS, UM, I'LL MAKE COMMISSION, UM, TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 42 APPROVING THE TAX LEVY FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.
NEXT ONE IS CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE ADVERTISEMENT OF BIDS FOR THE 2025 ROAD PAVING PROJECTS, A, B, AND C.
I MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE ADVERTISEMENT OF BIDS FOR THE 2025 ROAD PAVING PROJECTS, A, B, AND C.
OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
NEXT IS, CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 43 GRANTING TENTATIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR THE PARK HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.
UH, I'M ED BOWEN, UH, WITH ME TONIGHT.
FROM WHERE FOR HOLDINGS IS GARY BERMAN.
HE IS THE ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY.
BRIAN THERAN IS HERE FROM NVR IS THE EQUITABLE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, DENNY ELL, WHO'S OUR CIVIL ENGINEER FROM ALLEN ENGINEERING.
MATT HAMMOND, TRAFFIC ENGINEER FROM TPD AND ERIC, OUR PLANNER, AS YOU PROBABLY RECALL.
CAN YOU PULL THE MIC CLOSER TO YOUR MOUTH? I'M SORRY.
CAN YOU PULL THE MIC CLOSER TO YOUR MOUTH? YEP.
HOW'S THAT? IS THAT BETTER? BETTER, THANK YOU.
UH, AS YOU PROBABLY RECALL RIGHT BEFORE YOU GUYS ADOPTED THE ORDINANCE, UH, AMENDING THE OSR TO OPEN SPACE RESIDENTIAL, WE FILED A DECLARATION
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AND WE SAID WE WOULD NEVER BUILD MORE THAN 600 UNITS AND 25% OF THOSE WOULD BE AGE RESTRICTED.SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, WHEN WE FILED OUR PLAN, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A TOTAL NUMBER OF 868 UNITS, BUT WE REDUCED FROM 600 TO BE BUILT TO 585 TO BE BUILT.
SO THERE'LL ONLY BE 585 BUILT, AND THE BALANCE OF THE UNITS WILL BE DEDICATED TO THE TOWNSHIP.
SO WE LOOKING AT JUST 585 UNITS.
UH, THEN WE RECEIVED REVIEW LETTERS FROM GILMORE DATED SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2024 FROM BOWMAN DATED SEPTEMBER 26TH, 2024, AND FROM THE COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION DATED SEPTEMBER 3RD, 2024.
REMEMBERING THAT THIS IS A TENTATIVE PLAN AND ALLOWED US TO GO INTO ENGINEERING TO GET WHERE WE'RE GOING, WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE THAT WE CAN RESOLVE ALL THE ISSUES RAISED IN THOSE LETTERS.
WE KNOW OF ANY PROBLEMS WITH ANY OF THEM.
UH, AS YOU'RE AWARE, THE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS PLAN AT THEIR MEETING ON NOVEMBER 20TH ABOUT THE ONLY REAL ISSUE THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE TWO MEETINGS.
AND, UH, WE HEARD ABOUT IT TONIGHT THAT MR. FELTON MENTIONED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SEEN THE BUILDINGS TO BE MOVED FROM WHERE THEY ARE TO THE NORTH.
UH, JEFF, CAN YOU PUT UP THAT SLIDE, MR. FELTON SLIDE? NO, THE ONE, THAT ONE TO COMPARE THE NATURAL LANDS TRUST.
OH, UM, I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THAT ONE PULLED UP.
GIMME TWO SECONDS AND I'LL GRAB IT.
AND AS, AS YOU RECALL, THE TOWN TO SPEND THOUSANDS OF HOURS OF GETTING A STUDY BY, BY THE NATURAL LANDS TRUST.
AND WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IN A MINUTE IS A SLIDE THAT SHOWS WHAT THE NATURAL LANDS TRUST SAID SHOULD BE PROTECTED AND OUR PLAN OF THE UNITS THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE BUILT.
AND WE'VE DONE EXACTLY WHAT THE NATURAL LANDS TRUST ASKED US TO DO AND STAYED AWAY FROM THE NUMBER ONE AND TWO AREAS.
AND WE ARE ONLY WALKING IN THE NUMBER THREE AREA.
ON THE LEFT IS A NATURAL PLAN, NATURAL LANDS TRUST PLAN, AND IT SHOWS THE DIFFERENT AREAS.
THE BROWN IS THE LEAST PROTECTABLE, THE GREEN, THE DARK GREEN IS THE MOST PROTECTED, AND THE LIGHT GREEN IS THE LIGHTEST PROTECTED, UH, OR LIGHTER THAN THE, THAN THE DARK GREEN.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE STAYED AWAY FROM THE DARK GREEN, THE LIGHT GREEN, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH DEVELOPING IN THE BROWN AREAS.
SO WE LIVED UP TO WHAT THE LAND TRUST WANTED US TO DO.
UM, WHAT I WANT TO DO TONIGHT, I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF, IS I'M GOING TO ASK DENNY HOWELL, OUR ENGINEER, BRIEFLY DESCRIBE TO YOU THE PLAN THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND ALSO MATT HAMMOND TO TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS OF THAT PLAN.
SO WITH THAT, DENNY, YOU WANT TO YEP.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, MY NAME'S DENNY HOWE WITH HOW ENGINEERING, UM, AS ED SAID, I, I'M SURE EVERYONE'S KIND OF FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY.
UM, THE PARKHOUSE PROPERTY'S ABOUT 185 ACRES, UM, AS WE HAD SAID, AND JEFF, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THAT, TO THAT PLAN THAT SHOWS THE, THE RED AND THE BLUE, UM, LAYOUT? YEAH, EXACTLY.
SO ON THIS ONE AND MY, MY POINTERS, NOT THAT THAT THAT GREEN, BUT THERE IT IS.
UM, UP ON THE VERY TOP, I'LL JUST KIND OF GO AROUND THIS IN A COUNTERCLOCKWISE FASHION, WE HAVE 18 OR WE HAVE 18 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES UP ON HAFNER ROAD THAT, THAT TAKE ACCESS, PROPOSED ACCESS FROM HAFNER AND OLD STATE ROAD.
COMING DOWN BELOW THAT WE HAVE 389, UM, TOWNHOUSE UNITS THAT TAKE ACCESS, TWO ACCESS POINTS FROM OLD STATE ROAD AND THEN ALSO TO THE SOUTH ON BLACKROCK ROAD.
AND FOR SECOND, I'LL SKIP THIS SECOND AVENUE AND THE CIRCLE AREA FOR YOU.
AND THEN WE HAVE 31, UH, MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE JUST TO THE RIGHT OR TO THE NORTH OF THIS.
UM, AS ED HAD SAID, UH, GOING THROUGH THE, THE PROPERTY IS THIS SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC STREAM THAT BASICALLY GOES FROM JAGER ROAD DOWN TO BLACKROCK ROAD.
AND THAT'S THE AREA WE'VE TRIED TO, TO AVOID ALMOST COMPLETELY.
THEN TO THE RIGHT, THESE TWO AREAS THAT ARE SHOWN IN RED ARE THE DEDICATED UNITS, UH, 212 UNITS OFF OF OLD STATE ROAD AND 71 UNITS.
I'VE GOT BAD EYES OFF OF YEAGER ROAD.
THOSE UNITS WILL NOT BE BILLED AND WILL BE DEDICATED TO THE TOWNSHIP DAY TOTAL, UH, 212 71 FOR THE 8 68 TOTAL, BUT WE'RE ONLY BUILDING 5 85.
AND THEN THE 147 UNITS ARE ACTIVE ADULT CARRIAGE HOMES THAT ARE DOWN IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER OF WHAT WILL BE THE NORTHEASTERN PART OF THE PROPERTY THAT TAKES ACCESS OFF OF BLACKROCK ROAD AND SOUTH TRAP ROAD.
WHEN WE WERE HERE IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, AT THE LAST TWO MEETINGS, A LOT OF OUR DISCUSSION AS ED ALLUDED TO, WAS CIRCLED NOT JUST AROUND THAT, BUT
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ALSO AROUND THE PROPOSED CIRCLE.AND JEFF, DO WE SHOW THE CIRCLE THAT THAT YEAH, AND I'LL LET, I'LL LET MATT GET, UH, GET TO THIS, BUT THERE WAS EXTENSIVE CONVERSATION REGARDING, UM, THE PLACEMENT OF THE CIRCLE AND, AND HOW IT PLACED AGAINST OUR SKETCH PLAN, AS WELL AS I BELIEVE, UH, YOUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND MATT HAMMOND HAD MEETINGS WITH PENDO TO, TO DISCUSS THAT.
WE ALSO ON THE UPPER LEFT HAND SIDE OF WHAT WOULD BE THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, HAVE LEFT ROOM RECOGNIZING THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THE POSSIBLE RECONFIGURATION OF THE OLD STATE ROAD AND SECOND AVENUE INTERSECTION.
SO FOR, AGAIN, FOR A TOTAL SUMMARY, 585 PROPOSED UNITS, WHICH IS WHAT THIS PLAN SHOWS, THIS DOES NOT SHOW THE OTHER 289, UH, OR 283 THAT WILL BE OFF TO THE RIGHT THAT ARE IN THE AREAS THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE PRESERVING.
MATT, YOU WANNA COME UP? MY PLEASURE.
GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MATT HAMMOND WITH TRAFFIC PLANNING DESIGN.
UM, SO AS MENTIONED, UH, WE'VE BEEN HERE IN FRONT OF THE TOWNSHIP ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS.
UM, ONE OF THE BIGGEST ITEMS OF DISCUSSION, UH, AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, UH, HAS BEEN TRAFFIC.
UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DETAILED DISCUSSION WITH RESPECT TO TRAFFIC THROUGH THE HEARINGS AND THROUGH VARIOUS PRESENTATIONS THAT WE'VE MADE.
UM, WE'VE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS SINCE YOU LAST SAW US.
UM, AS MENTIONED, WE DID RECEIVE A REVIEW LETTER FROM THE TOWNSHIP TRAFFIC ENGINEER BOWMAN, UH, BELIEVE IN LATE SEPTEMBER.
UH, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF ITEMS OUTLINED IN OUR REVIEW LETTER, UM, FOR DISCUSSION AND THINGS THAT, THAT THE TOWNSHIP IN BOWMAN WANTED US TO ADDRESS THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
UH, AFTER WE RECEIVED THAT LETTER AND BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF COMMENTS AND THE TYPE OF COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED, UH, WE DID SET UP A MEETING WITH PENDOT TO HAVE DISCUSSION WITH PENDOT AS WELL AS THE TOWNSHIP TO KIND OF GO OVER THIS PROJECT GLOBALLY AS PENDOT HAD.
THE LAST PLAN PENDOT HAD SEEN WAS THE, UH, 1200 UNIT PLAN.
SO WE WANTED TO GO OVER GLOBALLY THE PROJECT, WE WANTED TO DISCUSS THE COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED FROM THE TOWNSHIP AND KIND OF JUST DISCUSS, UM, HOW WE GO ABOUT ADDRESSING THESE, THESE ISSUES OR ITEMS THROUGH THE, UH, LAND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
IT REALLY CAME DOWN TO FOUR MAIN ITEMS. UM, AND THIS WAS A MEETING THAT WAS HELD BACK IN EARLY NOVEMBER, I BELIEVE IT WAS NOVEMBER 5TH.
UM, BUT THE FOUR MAIN ITEMS REVOLVED AROUND A, UH, SHOWING THE TOWNSHIP PROPOSED ROUND THEABOUT ON THE PLAN, BASICALLY OVERLAYING THE ROUND THEABOUT TO SHOW THAT WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT WOULD NOT HAVE A NEGATIVE EFFECT ON THE TOWNSHIP'S PROJECT.
UH, AS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION, WE WERE ALSO ABLE TO OBTAIN SOME ADDITIONAL DETAILS, UH, FROM THE TOWNSHIP WITH RESPECT TO WHERE THAT PROJECT STOOD.
UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY MORE DESIGN DETAILS AS THAT PROJECT THAT BEING THE ROUNDABOUT PROJECT HAD, HAD BEEN, UH, FURTHER REFINED AND AND ADVANCED.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE RED HERE IS BASICALLY TAKING THE TOWNSHIP DESIGN ROUNDABOUT, SUPERIMPOSING IT ON THE PLAN AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S ACTUALLY MOVED A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY FROM THE DEVELOPMENT.
IF YOU RECALL, EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS, ONE OF THE CONCEPT WE RECEIVED ACTUALLY SHOWED THE ROUNDABOUT CLOSER TO OR TO THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT THIS ACTUALLY NOW HAS BEEN MOVED FURTHER AWAY.
SO, UM, NOTHING THAT WE'RE DOING IN THIS AREA WOULD AFFECT THAT.
THE TOWNSHIP'S PLAN FOR THE ROUNDABOUT.
THE OTHER ITEM THAT WAS DISCUSSED, UH, AND WE RECEIVED A LOT OF COMMENTS FROM THE RESIDENTS THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, WAS THE, UH, INTERSECTION OF OLD STATE AND SECOND AVENUE AND THE, UH, THE SKEW THAT EXISTS THERE TODAY AS WELL AS THE CURVATURE FURTHER UP SECOND AVENUE, WHICH INHIBITS SITE DISTANCE.
UM, A LOT OF RESIDENTS HAD CONCERNS WITH THAT INTERSECTION THAT EXISTED TODAY, ESPECIALLY, UH, IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ADDED TO THE INTERSECTION IN THE FUTURE AS A RESULT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND AS DENNY HAD MENTIONED, YOU'LL NOTICE IN THIS AREA, WHICH PREVIOUS PLANS HAD SHOWN SOME UNITS HERE THAT UNITS HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM THIS AREA.
AND, AND THE MAIN REASON FOR THAT WAS IS THAT WE WERE LOOKING TO THE POSSIBILITY OF REALIGNING OLD STATE ROAD FURTHER DOWN ON SECOND AVENUE IN ORDER TO IMPROVE THE OPERATION, IMPROVE THE SAFETY, AND IMPROVE THE SITE DISTANCE.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THIS AREA WAS FREE AND CLEAR IN THE EVENT THAT WE COULD RELOCATE STATE ROAD DOWN TO THIS AREA HERE.
WHEN I SAY DOWN TO THIS AREA HERE, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE STREET, THIS IS THE EXISTING EMERGENCY ACCESS ON SECOND AVENUE.
SO WE WOULD BRING IT IN, WE WOULD BRING OLD STATE ROAD IN SECOND AVENUE, NOT ALMOST IN THAT VICINITY, BUT OBVIOUSLY WITHIN, UH, PROPERTY THAT WE OWNED AND CONTROL.
UH, WE WOULD ALSO LOOK TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE
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TWO OR THREE RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN THIS AREA HERE, UM, VIS-A-VIS SOME SORT OF STUB THAT WOULD COME OFF OF REALIGNED ON SECOND AVENUE.BUT THOSE ARE DETAILS THAT WE'D WORK WITH THE TOWNSHIP ON AND BOWMAN ON IN THE RESIDENCE ON, UH, THROUGH THE LAND OF DEVELOPMENT PROCESS THERE HOUSE, THEY'RE OLD STATE SECOND.
NOW THERE IS A HOUSE RIGHT HERE IN THIS AREA HERE.
SO WE WOULD THE ISSUE AND IT'S TOUGH TO SEE.
SO HERE'S THE RIGHT HERE, YOU SEE THE DRIVEWAY HERE FOR THIS HOUSE ON THE CORNER.
SO WE WOULD LOOK TO BRING THE ROAD DOWN HERE AND THEN LIKELY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, AND WE'VE DONE THIS IN SIMILAR SITUATIONS, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WORK WITH THE TOWNSHIP AND THE RESIDENTS, UH, MOVING FORWARD THROUGH THE PROCESS.
BUT BASICALLY WOULD BE TO CUT OFF THIS INTERSECTION HERE AT SECOND AVENUE.
AND DID WE MAKE THIS A DRIVEWAY THAT WOULD SERVICE THESE THREE RESIDENTIAL LOTS THAT WOULD COME IN TO THE RELOCATED OLD STATE ROAD? THAT'S ONE IDEA OBVIOUSLY.
UM, WE'LL, WE'LL CONTINUE TO REFINE THAT.
THE OTHER, UH, MAIN ITEM HAD TO DO WITH THE ACCESS ON BLACKROCK ROAD.
UH, AS PART OF THE ROUNDABOUT PROJECT, THE TOWNSHIP IS LOOKING AT, UH, WIDENING THE EXISTING ONE LANE STRUCTURE ON BLACKROCK ROAD DOWN IN THIS LOCATION HERE.
SO IT CAN PROVIDE FOR TWO LANES OF TRAVEL FOR TRAFFIC AND THEN REPRO PROFILE THROUGH THIS AREA.
SO BASICALLY CHANGE UP SOME OF THE, THE GRADES THAT EXIST WITHIN THE ROADWAY.
SO SOME OF THE CONCERN RELATED TO, UM, THIS ACCESS POINT OF WHERE IT WOULD BE LOCATED, UH, OBVIOUSLY NOT SO AS TO NOT AFFECT THE ROUNDABOUT BUT ALSO BE LOCATED IN SUCH A FASHION AS TO NOT BE AFFECTED BY THE NEW STRUCTURE BEING PROPOSED.
I KNOW IT'S TOUGH ON THIS PLAN BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A LARGE SCALE, BUT BASICALLY FROM WHERE THIS ROUNDABOUT, THIS WHAT THEY CALL THE SPLITTER ISLAND ENDS AND WHERE THIS STRUCTURE IS, IS ABOUT 400 FEET IN THAT AREA.
SO WE'RE GONNA LOOK TO WORK WITH THE TOWNSHIP IN PENDOT ON THIS DRIVEWAY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S LOCATED IN THE APPROPRIATE LOCATION, BUT IT ALSO MEETS ALL OF THE CRITERIA, SITE DISTANCE, UH, AND THE LIKE.
UM, THERE'S ANOTHER ITEM OF DISCUSSION THAT RELATED TO UM, WHETHER OR NOT THAT DRIVEWAY BE BUILT, UM, BEFORE OR AFTER THE ROUNDABOUT PROJECT CAME IN BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT WAS BEING PROPOSED IN THIS AREA AS PART OF THE ROUNDABOUT.
SO IT WAS WHETHER OR NOT THIS DRIVEWAY WOULD BE BASICALLY CONSTRUCTIVE BUT CLOSED OFF UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE ROUNDABOUT WAS OPEN.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS DUE TO LAND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
ANOTHER TRAFFIC RELATED COMMENT WAS MORE DOWN HERE TOWARDS SOUTH TRAP ROAD, AND AGAIN, SIMILAR TO OLD STATE AND SECOND AVENUE, THE RESIDENCE HAD EXPRESSED A NUMBER OF CONCERNS WITH RESPECT TO THE SAFETY OF THAT INTERSECTION OF THE SITE DISTANCE WHEN EXITING SOUTH TRAP ROAD ON THE ONE 13, UH, THERE ARE SOME GRADES, THERE'S A CURVATURE IN, IN BLACKROCK ROAD THROUGH THIS AREA.
SO AS PART OF THAT, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY BECAUSE IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH SOUTH TRACK ROAD, IT'S REALLY ALMOST LIKE A TRIANGLE.
UM, WHEN YAGER ROAD WAS BUILT AND KIND OF RELOCATED, SOUTH TRACK ROAD WAS CUT OFF AND IT ALMOST CREATED THAT LIKE A TRIANGLE THROUGH THAT AREA.
SO ONE OF THE IDEAS THAT WE HAD, UH, THOUGHT OF WAS MAKING SOUTH TRAP ROAD, NORTH TRAP ROAD ONE WAY, AND THAT BEING THAT YOU WOULD ENTER ON THIS SIDE OF SOUTH TRAP ROAD AND EXIT DOWN ON THIS SIDE, THE REASON BEING THAT THE ABILITY TO EXIT ON THIS SIDE IS MUCH BETTER FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE AND A SITE DISTANCE PERSPECTIVE THAN THE EXISTING INTERSECTION OF SOUTH TRAP AND BLACKROCK ROAD.
UM, THROUGH THE REVIEW AND SOME DISCUSSION, UH, THE TOWNSHIP TRAFFIC ENGINEER ACTUALLY SUGGESTED THAT MAYBE INSTEAD OF MAKING TRAP ROAD ONE WAY IN ITS ENTIRETY THAT MAYBE IT'S ONLY ENTERED HERE, RIGHT HERE AT THIS INTERSECTION WITH BLACKROCK AND IT REMAINS TWO WAYS.
SO YOU CAN ONLY ENTER FROM ONE 13 HERE, BUT YOU STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO BOTH DIRECTIONS FOR THE RESIDENCE OF SOUTH TRAP ROAD AND THEN ENTER AND EXIT FROM ITS EXISTING INTERSECTION, UH, FURTHER DOWN, CLOSER TO UH, THE INTERSECTION OF GER ROAD.
ARE YOU FAMILIAR, YOU GUYS FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA? SPEAKING, DESCRIBING? OKAY.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER MAIN ITEM THAT WAS DISCUSSED, WHICH IS REALLY NOT DEPICTED SO MUCH ON THIS PLANT WAS REALLY PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS AND TRAILS.
UM, WHERE DO WE CONNECT THE DEVELOPMENT INTO THE AREA OF THE ROUNDABOUT? UH, THERE ARE SOME SIDEWALKS BEING PROPOSED THROUGHOUT THIS AREA WITH RESPECT TO THE ROUNDABOUT PROJECT.
UH, OBVIOUSLY WANT TO CONNECT THROUGH THE OPEN SPACE, UH, CONNECTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE LIKE.
UM, SO THOSE ARE ITEMS THAT WE ARE AGREEABLE TO AND THINGS THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE TOWNSHIP STAFF, UM, AS WELL AS PENDOT
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TO, TO REFINE AND, AND PROVIDE FOR THAT, UH, THE APPROPRIATE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS THROUGH THESE AREAS.SO WITH ALL OF THAT SAID, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ITEMS, UM, STILL NEED TO BE DISCUSSED AND I'M SORRY, STILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
THESE ARE ITEMS THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE TOWNSHIP AND PENDO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
UH, WE DID PREPARE A VERY COMPREHENSIVE TRAFFIC STUDY, UM, APPROXIMATELY 800 PAGES THICK AS PART OF THE 10 OF SKETCH PLAN, WHICH IS MY EXPERIENCE.
UM, NOT SOMETHING THEY TYPICALLY SEE SOMETHING OF THAT MUCH DETAIL.
UM, BUT IT DID GIVE US A GOOD BASE, UH, FOR THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TOWNSHIP WITH PENDOT.
AND LIKE I SAID, THERE'S STILL SOME MORE HOMEWORK TO DO, BUT I BELIEVE WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT UH, THE ITEMS WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP TRAFFIC ENGINEER REVIEW LETTER AS WELL AS THE SUBSEQUENT PENDOT REVIEW LETTERS CAN AND WILL BE ADDRESSED.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS? WE'LL HELP YOU TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
I GUESS I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT THIS MOST LESS EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHAT YOU SHOWED US BEFORE.
UM, IS THAT NORMAL THAT WE DON'T DO ANYTHING ELSE WITH TENANT PLAN? IS THAT LIKE
WE'VE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE OLD STATE ROAD YOU'RE MAKING SOME ACCESS FOR THAT WE HAVEN'T BUILT INTO TRAILS YET, AND THAT'S WILL BE SORT OF THE NEXT LEVEL BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN THEY DO PRELIMINARY PLAN AND THAT MAY CHANGE SOME THINGS, SOME OF THEIR STORMWATER CONTROLS AND SOME OF THEIR, UM, STORMWATER ENGINEERING THEY HAVE TO DO MIGHT CHANGE SOME, MIGHT TWEAK SOME THINGS.
I GUESS I'M JUST REALLY CONCERNED WITH THE ROADS YOU MENTIONED.
SO THE SECOND AVE AND OLD STATE, LIKE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW THAT WOULD LOOK, UM, BECAUSE I, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT INTERSECTION AND THAT PERSON'S PROPERTY.
UM, THE OTHER QUESTION IS WHO IS, WHO'S PAYING FOR THE ROUNDABOUT OR IS THE TASHIP PAYING FOR ALL OF THE ROUNDABOUT? WELL, WE'VE GOTTEN SOME GRANTS UP TO THIS POINT.
WE HAVEN'T COME TO A FINAL DETERMINATION ON WHAT THEIR IMPACT IS PAYING FOR AND OTHER SORT OF AS TEMPLATES IT PUTS AND TAKES ON ON THE DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S REALLY SORT OF IN BETWEEN THIS STEP AND THE NEXT STEP AS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
BUT THAT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GOING ON ANY OF THAT PROPERTY.
IT'S GOING ON TOWN PROPERTY OR WHAT'S, WHERE IS THAT GOING? I I, I, I MEAN I CAN, I CAN SPEAK FOR CASEY REAL QUICK, BUT WE, WE HAD THREE, TWO DIFFERENT POTENTIAL SITES WHERE ONE WAS FARTHER UNDER THEIR PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE COST OF THE FILL AND, AND A LOT OF THE OTHER ENGINEERING WOULD'VE TO GO ON WITH PUTTING IT ON A MORE NORTHERLY SIDE, WHICH IT PLANNED RIGHT.
YOU, AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, IT WAS MORE EXPENSIVE AND IT MADE MORE SENSE TO BE DOWN HERE.
NOW I'LL LET CASEY TALK ABOUT THE TECHNICALITIES OF THAT.
AND I'LL, I'LL, I'LL JUST ADD TO THAT A LITTLE BIT.
WELL, WE LAID OUT THE ROUNDABOUT.
IT'S BEEN PART OF THE GRANT PROJECTS.
WE HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS.
UM, FOR THE STATE, FOR FHWA, WE WERE ON WITH THEIR ROUNDABOUT SPECIALISTS LOOKING AT A COUPLE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS CONSIDERING THE, UH, SEWER PROJECT, ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND THIS WAS THE LOCATION WHERE WE COULD GET EVERYTHING TO TIE IN.
SO WE WANTED THEM TO, TO PUT THIS ONTO THE PLAN THAT YOU SEE TODAY.
'CAUSE THE OLD, THE OTHER PLANS THAT HAD BEEN SEEN IN THE PAST SHOWED IT IN THOSE OTHER LOCATIONS.
SO I THINK THAT, UH, WHAT MATT COVERED WAS EXACTLY WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THOSE MEETINGS.
AND WE KNOW YOUR CONCERNS ARE THE SAME AS OURS.
AND SO THERE ARE THINGS BUILT INTO THE COMMENT LETTERS THAT THEY STILL HAVE TO ADDRESS.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH US AND IT'S BEEN A GOOD, UM, COLLABORATION WITH PENN KNOT AND WITH THE APPLICANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THESE KEY THINGS ARE DONE.
AND, AND THERE IS A CONCERN ABOUT THAT ACCESS ON BLACKROCK ROAD, BUT THAT'S STUFF THAT HAS TO BE IRONED OUT IN MORE OF A FORMAL DESIGN AS THINGS ARE SET ON THEIR SIDE TOO.
AND THE SITE LAYOUT, IS THE ROUNDABOUT STILL THE BEST IDEA WITH ALL THE TOWN PHONES? YEAH.
THE ROUND ROUNDABOUT STILL THE BEST IDEA.
UM, AND IT WAS ALSO BUILT INTO THE TOWNSHIP'S ACT 2 0 9 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT SOMETHING MAY GET DEVELOPED ON THAT PROPERTY.
AT THE TIME THAT THAT WAS DOING, IT WAS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN INTENSE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THIS IS SCALED DOWN FROM THAT TIME.
I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT NER ROAD.
IT'S IT'S STRANGE ROAD WHEN YOU, IT'S NARROW.
AND I WASN'T SURE IF IT'S GONNA BE WIDE IN FRONT OF THOSE 18 HOMES.
UM, AND THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT YOU LOSE SIGHT 'CAUSE IT'S A BIG, YOU CAN'T SEE SOMEONE COMING OVER.
I ALMOST GOT KILLED THE ONE TIME.
THIS IS JUST SO ADDING ALL THESE HOMES ON HAFFNER A CONCERN TO ME.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE TO FIX THE ROAD
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FURTHER DOWN AFTER, BEFORE IT MAKES THE SHARP BRIGHT ON YOU TO PUSH A TURN.SO, AND, AND THE NARROWNESS OF IT RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THOSE 18 HOMES.
SO OBVIOUSLY THE PLAN DEPICTS THOSE 18 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS ON HEFTER ROAD.
THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION AS TO, UH, THE, UH, REVISING THE ACCESS LOCATION, SERVING THOSE 18 LOTS ON HEFNER ROAD TO FURTHER NORTH TO ALIGN WITH THE EXISTING, UH, STREET, UH, THE NEW, ESCAPING THE EXISTING STREET OF THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF HALF ROAD.
UH, THERE WAS ALSO A DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, HAVING ONE ACCESS POINT AND AN EMERGENCY ACCESS.
SO I THINK BASICALLY WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT'S STILL WORK IN PROGRESS WITH RESPECT TO THOSE 18 LOTS.
UM, BASED ON, YOU KNOW, OUR ANALYSIS AND WHAT WE SAW FROM A TRAFFIC FLOW PERSPECTIVE, WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS UTILIZING HAFNER ROAD TO GET AROUND THE TOWNSHIP.
UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S CERTAIN CRITERIA WE MUST MEET.
UH, WE GOTTA MEET THE SITE DISTANCE CRITERIA.
WE GOTTA SATISFY THE TOWNSHIP TRAFFIC ENGINEER THAT WHATEVER WE END UP DESIGNING AND COMING IN WITH, UM, WILL BE, UH, SAFE AND WILL BE ALL OF THE CRITERIA.
SO I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR AND GETTING THROUGH TENDER SKETCH AND GETTING INTO LAND DEVELOPMENT ALLOWS, UH, DENNY TO START FORMALLY DESIGNING THE PLANS, THE STORM WATER DEGRADING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, WHICH IN TURN ALLOWS ME TO START TO DESIGN OR LAY OUT THE OLD STATE ROAD REALIGNMENT.
LOOK AT HEFNER ROAD, LOOK AT THE DRIVEWAY ONE 13.
SO, UM, I THINK WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD FRAMEWORK AT THIS POINT, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S STILL THINGS THAT WORK THROUGH AND HEFNER ROAD BEING ONE OF THEM AS WELL.
HOW ABOUT THE GATE AND LEWIS T THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE LAST MEETING.
I KNOW IT'S KIND OF FAR FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT, THAT YOU WERE GONNA WIDEN THE ROAD DOWN THE NEIGHBOR SO THAT PEOPLE CAN MAKE A RIGHT TURN TO US.
THAT WAS AN IMPROVEMENT THAT WE HAD CALLED OUT FOR IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD NOTE IS THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS SUBMITTED, UH, WAS A TRAFFIC SETTING INCLUDED ABOUT 600 RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
UM, AND THAT WAS DONE PRIOR TO, UM, MR. BERMAN, UH, COMMITTING TO DEVELOP ONLY 585 UNITS.
SO WE ARE A LITTLE BIT CONSERVATIVE IN THAT REGARD.
NOT A TON, A LITTLE BIT, BUT NO, I'M NOT, I'M NOT
WE WERE LOOKING TO WIDEN AIR TO PROVIDE FOR THAT ADDITIONAL LANE.
AND I THINK IN THE LATEST BOWMAN REVIEW LETTER, WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE SEPTEMBER 30TH BOWMAN REVIEW LETTER WAS IN RELATION TO THE TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN.
AND THERE WAS A NOVEMBER 14TH REVIEW LETTER FROM BOWMAN THAT WAS IN RELATION TO THAT TRAFFIC STUDY.
AND WITHIN THAT REVIEW LETTER, THERE WAS COMMENT ABOUT POSSIBLY A MODIFYING OR EXPANDING THAT IMPROVEMENT THAT WE PROPOSED AT THAT INTERSECTION.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK TO DO AS WELL.
IT'S REALLY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I REALLY THINK IT RELATES MORE SO TO, UM, AVAILABLE RIGHT OF WAY AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT.
UM, ONE, ONE OTHER QUESTION IS THERE, IS THERE, THERE'S FOUR ACCESS POINTS TO THE ROADS OUT OF ALL THESE HOMES, NOT THE 18, BUT THE MAIN AMOUNT OF HOMES, SO THERE'S TWO ON OLD STATE AND TWO ON BLACKROCK, IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT I'M TWO ON OLD STATE, ONE ON BLACKROCK, ONLY ONE ON BLACKROCK.
AND THEN THERE'S ROAD HERE AND THEN DOWN HERE FOR THE AGE RESTRICTOR, WE'RE PROPOSING TWO ACCESS POINTS.
BUT IT MEAN THIS MAIN ONE RIGHT HERE, ONLY THREE THREE, CORRECT.
TWO ON OLD STATE AND ONE ON BLACKROCK.
HOW ABOUT THAT LITTLE, LITTLE PIECE JUST NORTH OF THE LITTLE DOWN ON BLACKROCK RIGHT THERE? OH, THIS TWO BASES.
UH, THIS IS JUST, THIS IS, THAT'S JUST BASINS.
OH, I SEE IT JUST, SO JUST THREE.
DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A LOT FOR UNKNOWN HOMES, BUT SO IT, SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
IT IT'S A BALANCING ACT AT THE END OF THE DAY, RIGHT? YOU DON'T WANT TO PROVIDE TOO MANY ACCESS POINTS.
'CAUSE THEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE INCREASING, UM, LOCATIONS OF CONFLICT IN THE SAME RESPECT.
YOU DON'T WANT PROVIDE TOO FEW ACCESS POINTS BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO DISPERSE TRAFFIC.
SO IT'S ENDS UP BEING A BALANCING ACT.
UM, YOU KNOW, FOR A DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SIZE, WOULD IT, YOU KNOW, COULD YOU SEE MULTIPLE ACCESS POINTS SERVING THE PROPERTY? ABSOLUTELY.
BUT AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY THE TOWNSHIP, 'CAUSE OF THE CONCERNS BEEN RAISED BY THE, BY THE, UH, RESIDENTS, IT'S A BALANCING ACT, RIGHT? AND SO FAR, BASED ON THE TRAFFIC SITE WE'VE DONE AND THE ANALYSIS PERFORMED, THE THREE ACCESS POINTS WORK FROM AN OPERATIONAL PERSPECTIVE, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME CONCERN, THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS THAT STILL REMAIN WITH THE ACCESS ON BLACKROCK ROAD.
UM, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT'LL GET FLUSHED OUT AT THE END OF THE DAY.
AND, AND AS I SAID AT THE PLANNING
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COMMISSION MEETING, YOU KNOW, WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT IN PUTTING THESE TRAFFIC STUDIES TOGETHER.AND JUST BECAUSE WE SAY IT DOESN'T MEAN IT ITSELF, RIGHT? SO WE STILL HAVE TO SATISFY THE TOWNS OF TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
SO IT'S A PROCESS, AN ITERATIVE PROCESS WE CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH.
UM, BUT SO FAR, AND I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR CASEY, SO FAR, EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE ON BOARD WITH THE GENERAL LAYOUT AND ITEMS DISCUSSED.
UM, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, OF REALLY GETTING INTO THE DETAILS AND SHOWING THAT WE DO MEET ALL OF THOSE VARIOUS CRITERIA SAID BEFORE IN OTHER CONTEXTS RECENTLY PRELIMINARY, WHICH IS THE NEXT STEP IS REALLY WHERE IT'S AT WITH THE ENGINEERED FOR THE FIRST TIME.
AND REALLY DIGGING INTO HOW DID YOU DESIGN THIS REDESIGN OF THE INTERSECTION OF THE TWO ROADS AND WHERE REALLY ARE WE GOING TO PUT THESE, YOU KNOW, ACCESS POINTS? UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE, WE'RE, ALTHOUGH THERE'S A YEAH, 800 PAGES THERE, WE'RE REALLY STILL BACK IN THE NAPKIN STAGE.
AND THEN IT'LL ALL BE FLESHED OUT WHEN YOU GET TO PRELIMINARY.
RIGHT NOW EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE LINED UP BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING IT WILL COMPLY ON ALL THE REVIEW LETTERS.
SO IT'S IN A POSITION FOR TENTATIVE, AND THEN YOU GET TO PRELIMINARY AND THAT'S WHEN YOU REALLY DIG IN.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
WHEN WE GET TO PRELIMINARY, WE'RE GONNA WANT TO SEE FULLY ENGINEERED ROAD IMPROVEMENTS ALL THE WAY AROUND.
PUT THIS KIND OF DENSITY HERE FOR THIS TO YOU TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND FOR THIS TO BE A SUCCESSFUL ADDITION TO OUR TOWNSHIP, THEY, THOSE MUST BE DONE AND DONE CORRECTLY AND IN FULL.
SO WHATEVER YOU SAY, WHATEVER THAT I'M JUST TELLING YOU, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING FOR WHEN WE GET TO PRELIMINARY.
AND I THINK, AS JOE WAS SAYING, THE TENTATIVE IS REALLY KIND LIKE A CONCEPT PLAN.
AND NOW WE HAVE THE CONCEPT, WE GOTTA GET INTO ANSWERING ALL THE QUESTIONS AND SHOWING IT IN AN ENGINEER DETAILED WAY.
BUT THIS HAS BEEN A CONCEPT FOR A WHILE, SO I THOUGHT MAYBE IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FINE TUNED WHEN WE CAME HERE FOR THIS.
I WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT DISAPPOINTED TO SEE, ESPECIALLY THE ROADS NOT, YOU KNOW, REALLY YOU'RE STILL BEING LIKE, OH, WE'LL WORK ON IT.
SO IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST PRETTY FRUSTRATING.
WELL, I, SO AND I CAN UNDERSTAND.
I, I'D SAY IT'S NOT THAT WE CAN WORK ON IT, WE'RE COMMITTING TO DO IT, SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF LAYING IT OUT.
BUT THERE'S, BUT THE APPLICANT, IN MY EXPERIENCE, IT'S NOT GOING TO, TO, TO PUT FORTH THE RESOURCES NECESSARY FOR, FOR DENNY AND FOR MYSELF TO ACTUALLY GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THIS UNTIL SUCH TIME AS WE ARE ABLE TO GET TO THE NEXT POINT TO GET TO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE TENTATIVE SKETCH AND GET TO THE PRELIMINARY.
THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING ANY ADDITIONAL WORK.
BUT, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE WORK THAT DENNY'S OFFICE HAS DONE AND WHAT THE WORK THAT THE OTHER, UH, TEAM MEMBERS HAVE DONE AND, AND HAVING AN 800 PAGE TRAFFIC SITE 10 OF SKETCH, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE WITH RESPECT TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
IT MAY NOT LOOK THAT MUCH DIFFERENT FROM THE PLAN THAT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE.
IT'S REALLY THE FACT THAT WE'RE STARTING TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ON THE DETAILS, BUT WE NEED TO GET INTO THAT, THAT PART FIRST BEFORE WE CAN HAVE A MORE FRUITFUL DISCUSSION.
WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? UH, MARCH, 2025? I'M JUST, UM, I'M ALWAYS A HEART ATTACK.
YOU MUST HAVE THOSE PLANS IN YOUR BACK POCKET.
YEAH, THAT, UM, THAT'S A QUESTION I GET ASKED 15 TIMES A DAY.
SO MR. REMO ASK ME THAT QUESTION WHEN I LEAVE HERE AGAIN TONIGHT.
BUT I WOULD, I WOULD TELL YOU THAT OUR NEXT COUPLE MONTHS ARE GONNA BE SPENT DOING STORMWATER TESTING AND STORMWATER WILL BE THE NEXT DRIVER OF WHERE I CAN, WHERE I CAN MANAGE A CONTROL STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
BUT IT WOULD TAKE US ABOUT FOUR MONTHS TO AT LEAST GET A SET OF DRAWINGS THAT WILL BE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERED, VERTICALLY ALIGNED ROADS, ALL THE GRADING, ALL THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT CALCULATIONS, EVERYTHING THAT WOULD GO TO A GILMORE FOR REVIEW.
AND THEN I THINK WE WOULD PROBABLY BE, UH, I'LL GET ASKED THIS WHEN I WALK OUT HERE AGAIN, PROBABLY 18 MONTHS BEFORE WE WOULD BE READY TO PUT, BEFORE I WOULD BE READY TO HAVE A SHOVEL PUT ON THE GROUND FOR OUR WORK HERE.
NOT INCLUDING THE TRAFFIC THAT THAT MATT WILL DO, BUT OBVIOUSLY OUTSIDE OF THE TOWNSHIP, THERE'S OUTSIDE AGENCY APPROVALS THAT WE HAVE TO PURSUE AS WELL.
AND WE WON'T EVEN LOOK TO GO TO, UM, NPDS OR DEP FOR ANY STORMWATER MANAGEMENT UNTIL WE HAVE GILMORE, UM, SATISFIED WITH, WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
SO YOU'RE TALKING LIKE 18 MONTHS TO TWO YEARS? YEAH.
YOU'LL, AND ANOTHER YEAR TO DEVELOP.
BUT YOU'LL SEE ME HERE ALL SUMMER AND FALL OF NEXT YEAR.
THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ALWAYS IRON OUT DURING
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PRELIMINARY IS IF, AS IF HOW IT WILL BE PHASED.BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT AND A DESIGN STANDPOINT, I HAVE TO DESIGN THE WHOLE THING.
NOW, CERTAINLY WE WILL HAVE IT DESIGNED SO THAT IT COULD BE BUILT IN PHASES BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA GO IN THERE AND JUST BUILD EVERYTHING AT ONE TIME.
OBVIOUSLY IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, BUT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, AGAIN, ENDS UP BECOMING THE DRIVER OF, OF EVERYTHING.
HOW DO YOU DETERMINE YOUR STORAGE? WHERE DO YOU SUGGEST YOU MUST FIGURE WHAT, WHAT YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH NOW TODAY, UM, AND TO SEE ALL THESE BASINS HERE IS THAT THAT'S NOT SET.
YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE TO GO IN THERE AND THINGS CAN MOVE AND YES, AND I'M ALWAYS SMILING BECAUSE, UH, MR. HUGHES, MY GOOD FRIEND DID THE PLAN.
AND ANYWAYS, WE LOVE LAND PLANNERS AND LEAVE US A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM FOR BASINS, BUT HOPEFULLY WHEN, ONCE WE DO TESTING, THAT WILL WORK OUT.
BUT AGAIN, UNFORTUNATELY, OR FORTUNATELY, ONCE I TEST IN THE, IN THOSE AREAS WHERE YOU, WHERE I SHOW THESE LITTLE LIGHT BLUE, UM, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREAS BASED UPON INFILTRATION RATE AND THE AVAILABLE, HOW MUCH FLOW I HAVE COMING TO THAT IS GONNA QUICKLY DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT I CAN TREAT STORMWATER A YEAR, WHETHER I NEED MORE ROOM, AND THEN I'LL HAVE TO EXPAND.
SO THAT REALLY IS THE NEXT STEP, EVEN FOR ME TO BEGIN TO GRADE THE WHOLE SITE OUT.
I HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE STORMWATER WORK.
AND REMEMBER, ELAINE, YOUR ORDINANCE REQUIRES US TO TAKE A 50 YEAR STORM AND REDUCE IT TO A TWO YEAR STORM.
SO IT'S GOTTA BE BETTER THAN IT IS TODAY.
BUT WE NEED TO SAVE 50 MORE TIMES
AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S A RARE REQUIREMENT THAT DOESN'T EXIST.
SO THAT WOULD BE, IT'S HARD TO, TO GET YOUR HEAD WRAPPED AROUND IT.
AND I GET THAT, LIKE FROM A RESIDENT POINT OF VIEW, YOU SEE MORE BUILDING AND MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES.
SO WE NATURALLY ARE LIKE, WHERE'S THE LOT WATER GONNA GO? IT'S COUNTERINTUITIVE TO SAY IT'S GONNA GO THE OTHER WAY.
I DON'T SEE MUCH IN THE WAY OF RECREATION FACILITIES ON THIS PLAN OR EITHER THE, UH, AGE TARGETED OR THE, THE REST OF THEM.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA SEE IN PRELIMINARY TOO.
AND, AND WE'LL DISCUSS THAT AT, AT PLANNING VISION AND, UH, READY IS SICK TONIGHT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA GET INTO.
AND WE, WE SAID THAT WE WILL WITH DEVELOP THIS SIZE ARE GONNA NEED SOME, SOME RECREATION FACILITIES ON, ON SITE.
AND AT THIS TIME, EVEN TO START LAYING THEM OUT WOULD BE A BIT, A BIT PREMATURE BECAUSE I HAVE TO MAKE STORMWATER WORK AND MY GRADING WORK SO I CAN SEE WHERE I CAN DO IT.
AND I UNDER, I TOOK THE POINT TOO IS THAT, THAT YOUR BUILDING SCHEDULE, YOU HAVE TO MANAGE THE STORMWATER AS YOU BUILD TOO.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? SO WHAT DO YOU THINK AS FAR AS AMENITIES? WELL, I PARKS, KIDS, PARKS, SCHOOLS, PLAYGROUNDS, GATHERING AREAS, CLUBHOUSES.
I MEAN, YOU'LL FIGURE OUT WHAT YOUR, YOUR PACKAGE WILL BE FOR, FOR THE RESIDENTS YOU'RE TARGETING, BUT THOSE KIND OF THINGS YOU WANNA SEE.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 43 GRANTING TENTATIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR THE PARK HOUSE DEVELOPMENT.
ALRIGHT, NEXT UP IS THE INTERIM ADMISSIBLE AGREEMENT BETWEEN PERFUME AND TOWNSHIP PERM AND TOWNSHIP SCHOOL AUTHORITY FOR THE PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP.
THIS IS, UH, A REQUEST THAT CAME FROM PERM AND TOWNSHIP TO, UH, THROUGH THEIR AUTHORITY, UH, TO COME TO THE ASSISTANCE OF A COUPLE OF THEIR RESIDENTS WHO WANT TO CONNECT TO OF THE PROVIDENCE SYSTEM BECAUSE THERE'S NOWHERE IN THEIR OWN SYSTEM THAT'S CLOSE ENOUGH FOR THEM TO REASONABLY CONNECT.
AND THIS HAS COME UP A FEW TIMES IN THE PAST.
WE'VE DONE SEPARATE AGREEMENTS, UM, FOR ALL OF THE WORDS IN HERE, WHAT IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO IS THE AGREEMENT THAT WILL WORK, WORK OUT THE BUILDING.
OH, YOU KNOW, AS BETWEEN THE TWO MUNICIPALITIES, UM, THE, ALL THE FLOW GOES TO THE SAME REGIONAL PLANT, WHICH MAKES THINGS A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR CALCULATION PURPOSES.
I JUST NEEDED TO MAKE SURE, AND, AND BRIAN SAID HE FELT THAT STAFF COULD DEFINITELY WORK OUT FIGURING OUT HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THE CROSS, UH, BILLING.
UM, BUT WE JUST NEEDED TO MEMORIALIZE EVERYTHING SO THESE PEOPLE CAN GET CONNECTED.
AND THERE'S THREE HOMES, I THINK MIGHT BE TWO ADDRESSES.
I, IT'S, THIS IS LISTED AS TWO ADDRESSES.
I YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL IN THIS AGREEMENT.
BUT THERE ARE OTHER EXISTING AGREEMENTS THAT ARE VERY SIMILAR TO THIS ONE WHERE THERE ARE PROPERTIES IN ROYERSFORD BOROUGH THAT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE LAY OF THE LAND IS BY THEIR GRAVITY, THEIR GRAVITY SORT FLOWS TO UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP.
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AND GRAVITY CONVEYS THEIR, UH, FLOWS FROM THEIR HOME TO ROYERSFORD SING WITH COLLEGE.SING WITH TRAP IS VERY SIMILAR AGREEMENT TO, UH, PARKMAN.
AND AS JOE OUTLINED, IT REALLY MEMORIALIZES THE BILLING, BILLING, UH, STRUCTURE.
SUSAN RON, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION OF THE INTERIM MUNICIPAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN TURKEY AND TOWNSHIP, OKE AND TOWNSHIP UNI MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY OF PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES.
ALRIGHT, NOW THEY'RE ON TO MANAGER
[MANAGER AND DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS]
AND DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS, UM, TO REVIEW FOUR VACANCIES.YEAH, JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW WE HAVE THAT IT'S SOME VACANCIES.
UH, ONE VACANCY ON THE HUMAN RELATIONS, UH, COMMISSION.
UH, WE HAVE TWO VACANCIES, TWO IMPENDING VA VACANCIES 'CAUSE THE CURRENT MEMBERS DON'T WANNA BE REAPPOINTED, UH, TO THE PARKS OF RECREATION.
ONE, UH, MEMBER TO THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION.
JOHN PEARSON'S, UH, TERM EXPIRES AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO WE NEED TO HAVE A, UH, RESIDENT REPRESENTATIVE ON THE, UM, REGIONAL AUTHORITY, UM, ARE THE ONES THAT WE HAVE.
AND I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN SOME CONFIRMATIONS OF PEOPLE WITH INTERESTED IN
LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE SIX, SIX OF THEM.
ONE ALSO IS FOR THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY.
SO ANY RESIDENTS OUT THERE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THESE POSITIONS SPREAD THE WORD.
UM, WHY TIM? BRIAN'S ATTENTION.
I JUST, WHAT'S THE UPDATE ON THE FEMA AND THE MONTCLAIR? UM, I THINK THE, THE MAJORITY OF THE HOMES ALL BUT TWO PERHAPS HAVE BEEN DEMOLISHED.
UM, WE ARE WAITING ON A CONTESTED ESTATE FOR THE SALE OF THE, FOR THE, THE LAST PROPERTY THAT IS IN THE PROGRAM THAT IS NOT YET SOLD TO THE TOWNSHIP.
UH, THAT WILL LIKELY CARRY INTO JANUARY OR FEBRUARY OF 2021.
THERE'S A, UH, FAMILY MATTER, SOMEBODY'S CONTESTING THE ESTATE.
UH, THE PROPERTIES BEHIND PRODUCE JUNCTION WERE MOST RECENTLY DEMOLISHED.
AND WE'VE HEARD FROM SEVERAL RESIDENTS IN THAT UNIT BLOCK OF WALNUT STREET ABOUT THE, UH, UNSIGHTLY CONDITION OF PRODUCE JUNCTION.
WE WERE GONNA GET A QUOTE, SEE IF WE CAN'T LOOK TO PUT A FENCE UP ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE THERE TO SHIELD THE VIEW THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY OBSTRUCTED BY THE HOMES THAT WERE THERE.
UM, WE'RE GONNA WORK IN THE SPRING PLANT DURING THE SPRING PLANTING SEASON TO COME UP WITH A, A MORE FORMALIZED PLAN TO PLANT SOME NATIVE TREES AND AND SHRUBS DOWN THERE TO GREEN IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
UH, AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT DUSTY DURING THE DRY SPELL THAT WE HAD, BUT WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THE RESIDENTS COOPERATION AND UNDERSTANDING.
AND THEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EXTRA PARKING PARALLEL, LIKE, UH, YEAH, PART OF THE, THE BUDGET THAT THE BOARD JUST APPROVED FOR 2025 INCLUDES MONEY TO DESIGN THE WALNUT STREET RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
AND I'D SPOKEN WITH, UH, JEN AND TOM, UH, SEVERAL WEEKS AGO.
I SAID, HEY LISTEN, WE'RE GONNA PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER THE FIRST OR SECOND WEEK OF JANUARY, TALK ABOUT THE CAPITAL, UH, EXPENDITURES THAT THE BOARD HAS APPROVED AND GET STARTED ON THAT DESIGN.
UH, TOM AND I HAVE A COUPLE IDEAS ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GAIN MORE PARKING DOWN THERE OFF OF THAT FIRST BLOCK OF WALNUT STREET.
YOU GIVE ACCESS TO PEOPLE WITH KAYAKS OR MUSIC.
UM, ENGINEERING, ANYTHING FROM YOU, JEN? NO, NOTHING.
[SUPERVISORS COMMENTS]
UM, JUST WANTED TO SAY THANKS TO THE STAFF IN THE TOWNSHIP.UM, POLICE, FIRE, PUBLIC WORKS, RECREATION.
WE HAD A GREAT, ANOTHER GREAT YEAR AND, UH, WE HAD A WONDERFUL SUMMER, SUMMER CAMPS AND, UH, ALL THOSE GOOD THINGS.
SO JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR A GREAT 2024.
THIS IS OUR LAST MEETING AND WE'LL HAVE A RECAP IN JANUARY OF ALL THE WONDERFUL THINGS ARE.
WHICH WE HOPE TO HAVE BEFORE MARCH.
[UPCOMING EVENTS]
UPCOMING EVENTS, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETINGS.WELL, WE'RE NOT DOING THE DECEMBER 9TH 'CAUSE WE PASSED THE BUDGET, SO WE'RE GOING FOR DECEMBER.
SO EVERYBODY ENJOY YOUR HOLIDAY.
WE MEET AGAIN JANUARY 6TH FOR AT SEVEN O'CLOCK FOR THE REBOARD MEETING.
THEN THERE'S A BOARD OF AUDITORS MEETING THAT IS TUESDAY, JANUARY 7TH AT 7:00 PM THERE'S A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING DECEMBER 4TH AT 7:00 PM UM, THERE'S AGENDA ITEMS HERE, ALEXANDER, MINOR SUBDIVISION
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AND DECEMBER 18TH THAT IS CANCELED AT 7:00 PM ON DECEMBER 18TH.ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 11TH AT SIX, AND THAT'S IN JOINT WITH THE PARKS AND REC.
AND THEN THERE'S PARK PARKS AND REC COMMITTEE MEETING, THAT'S DECEMBER 11TH AT SIX.
UM, THAT IS ALSO WITH THE EAC, UM, THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY THAT IS CANCELED, THAT'S IS CANCELED ZONING HEARING.
DECEMBER 10TH, 7:00 PM UH, THAT'S FOR REEN DRIVE, UH, SET BACK ON FROM THIRD AVENUE.
UM, I'LL ASK FOR AN ADJOURNMENT.