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[CALL TO ORDER]
AM GONNA CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.UM, CAN WE ALL ARISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? OKAY.
[MOTION TO APPROVE BOARD AGENDA]
SO EVERYONE HAS A COPY OF THE AGENDA.DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED AYES HAVE IT.
[PUBLIC COMMENT]
WE HAVE, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT.UM, THE BOARD WILL HEAR FROM ANY INTERESTED RESIDENT OR TAXPAYER WHO'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON AN ITEM OR NOT ON, OR NOT ON THIS EVENING'S AGENDA.
UM, RESPONDENTS ARE ASKED TO KEEP THEIR COMMENTS AT THREE MINUTES.
UM, THIS IS A, A TREMENDOUS DEVELOPMENT.
I'M JUST SO HAPPY THAT YOU, YOU'VE DONE THIS.
UM, THIS ANSWER HAS BEEN YEARS TRYING TO FIX OUR PUBLIC SAFETY SYSTEM, INCLUDING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND THE, UH, AMBULANCE SERVICE.
UH, UNKNOWN TO MOST PEOPLE IS THE OUT OF THE THREE, THE AMBULANCE WAS THE MOST OVERLOOKED, BUT IT'S ALSO THE MOST USED, SORRY, CHIEF, UM, AND CHIEF, UH, AND MOST UNDERFUNDED AND, UM, OTHER TOWNSHIPS HAVE TRIED TO DO THAT TO FIX OUR, UH, SYSTEM.
AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING NOW REALLY SOLIDIFIES, UM, THE ECONOMICS OF IT.
'CAUSE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A, A TROUBLING ISSUE.
SO, UH, IN CASE ANYBODY COMES UP BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN YOU APPROVE IT, DON'T CHANGE YOUR MIND.
'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S REALLY A GREAT THING YOU'VE DONE.
UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WOULD THINK THAT SHOULD HAPPEN, OR IF WE CAN LOOK AS A COMMUNITY FOR, UM, THE EMS, IS THEY DON'T MAKE, UM, ENOUGH AND THEY PAY FOR THEIR OWN EDUCATION, WHICH IS TROUBLE BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE WORKING, THEY DON'T MAKE ENOUGH, AND THEY, THEY, THE AMBULANCE SQUADS TRY TO HELP THEM.
SO IF WE COULD POSSIBLY FIND A WAY TO HAVE A PUBLIC, PRIVATE, OR JUST A PRIVATE SYSTEM SEEKING DONATIONS TO HELP PROVIDE THE FUNDS THAT THEY CAN GO TO SCHOOL, UM, BECAUSE IT'S OUR, IT BENEFITS US, MAYBE, UH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT I THINK THAT'S A, THE NEXT STEP IS TO HELP THEM BECOME EMTS, BECOME PARAMEDICS.
UH, TORY BRIGHT 360 4 VISTA DRIVE.
UH, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY.
UH, WANT TO APPLAUD, UH, AL'S COMMENT OF EMS, FIRE SUPPORT, COMMUNITY SUPPORT, THE SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY.
SO I'M GONNA KIND OF LEAN INTO THAT, UH, THEME.
UM, I JUST ACTUALLY PICKED UP THE, THE NUMBER OF THE UNITS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR CONSTRUCTION OR, UH, DEVELOPMENT OR NEW HOMES.
AND I THINK THAT, UH, CLEARLY I JUST COUNT IT QUICKLY.
IT'S OVER A THOUSAND NEW PROPERTIES OR TOWN HOMES OR CLUSTERED HOMES.
SO, I, AGAIN, I SUPPORT THE IDEA OF, UM, ANY TYPE OF FIRE EMS, PUBLIC SAFETY EXPANSION IN THE TOWNSHIP, BECAUSE PUBLIC SAFETY IS, IS CERTAINLY FIRST AND FOREMOST TO THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE OF THE, OF THE TOWNSHIP.
THE OTHER REASON WHY, OF COURSE I'M HERE IS BECAUSE OF PARKHOUSE.
I KNOW WE'RE NOT AT THAT PHASE WHERE IT'S COMING TO YOUR ATTENTION YET, BUT I KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ON, UH, WEDNESDAY NIGHT, AND WE'VE KIND OF HEARD, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN ABOUT THAT.
THIS COULD BE WHERE THE FINAL DECISION GETS MADE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD SAY, WE'RE GONNA VOTE TO SEND THIS ON TO THE SUPERVISORS.
UM, WE DID SEE THAT THERE WAS A PUBLIC, UH, A DOCUMENT THAT WAS INCLUDED IN NOVEMBER 14TH, THE BOWMAN REPORT, WHICH HAS MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE ISSUES AROUND THE SAFETY, THE TRAFFIC,
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THE CONCERNS SPECIFICALLY AROUND THAT.I WOULD ASK THE BOARD TO CONSIDER JUST THIS ONE DEVELOPMENT.
IT IS THE LARGEST SINGLE DEVELOPMENT IN THE HISTORY OF THIS TOWNSHIP.
AND IF WE DON'T THINK ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY, AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA BE VERY CONCERNED IF WE DON'T REALLY ATTEND TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE, THE TRAFFIC IS ONE PIECE.
THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS ARE ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT ISSUE.
AND THEN, FRANKLY, I HAVE TO SAY THAT I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT IN THIS TOWNSHIP FOR OVER 25 YEARS NOW.
IT'S BEEN A VERY SAFE TOWNSHIP.
WE'VE HAD MORE ISSUES IN OUR LITTLE NECK OF DR.
BUS ROAD THAN EVER BEFORE IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
I'M SURE OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT KNOW WE'VE GOT A LOT OF ISSUES.
I HAVE TRAFFIC ISSUES, BUT WHILE I'M WALKING MY DOGS, PEOPLE SCREAMING DOWN THE ROAD, ROAD, WE'RE A DEAD END ROAD.
SO AGAIN, IT'S A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE.
I RECOGNIZE WE'VE GOT A TRAFFIC CIRCLE IN THE PROCESS OF BEING REVIEWED.
IT COULD TAKE YEARS, BUT JUST TO ADD 585 TIMES, LET'S SAY THREE PERSONS PER UNIT, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, AND AGAIN, NOT OPPOSED TO IT.
LET'S JUST THINK THIS THROUGH VERY, VERY CA CAREFULLY BEFORE WE SAY, GO AHEAD AND, AND LET'S MOVE ON.
THIS, IT IS A BIG, BIG ISSUE FOR THIS TOWNSHIP.
TAKING CONSIDERATION OF, OF OUR CITIZENS.
ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY.
[EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT]
EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT.UM, WE HAVE A TWO TO REPORT ON NOVEMBER 6TH AND THE 13TH.
THE BOARD MET IN EXECUTIVE SESSION ON MATTERS RELATING TO REAL ESTATE NEGOTIATIONS AND PERSONNEL INTERVIEWS.
[APPROVAL OF BILL LIST]
APPROVAL OF THE BILL LIST.I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE BILL LIST FOR THE PERIOD OCTOBER ONE THROUGH OCTOBER 31, UH, 2024 IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,780,791 AND 46 CENTS.
ALL THOSE IN, I'M SORRY, ALL SECOND THAT.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
WE HAVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 21ST BOARD MEETING.I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE BOARD MINUTES FROM THE OCTOBER 24TH FOR THE BOARD SUPERVISORS REGULAR MEETING.
[PUBLIC HEARING]
HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, UM, TO REVIEW THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN FOR 2024.I'LL TURN THIS OVER TO ZACH TO OPEN THE HEARING.
UM, UH, THIS EVENING WE WILL OPEN A HEARING, UH, ON THE ADOPTION OF THE TOWNSHIP'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, PURSUANT TO SECTION 3 0 2 B OF THE PENNSYLVANIA MUNICIPALITY'S PLANNING CODE.
UH, THIS HEARING IS BEING STENO GRAPHICALLY RECORDED AND PUBLIC NOTICE OF THE HEARING HAS BEEN PROVIDED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE MPC.
UM, TO START, I'LL JUST MARK A FEW, UH, EXHIBITS THAT ARE BEING, UH, PRESENTED AS BOARD EXHIBITS.
UH, THE FIRST IS THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 37, UH, WITH THE DRAFT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ATTACHED, UH, B TWO IS A COPY OF THE NOTICE OF THIS HEARING PREPARED FOR THE TOWNSHIP MANAGER.
UH, EXHIBIT B THREE IS AN EMAIL, UH, FROM CHERYL HINKY TO THE POTSTOWN MERCURY REQUESTING PUBLICATION AND ENCLOSING THE NOTICE AND A RESPONSE INDICATING THAT THE NOTICE WOULD BE ADVERTISED OCTOBER 29TH AND NOVEMBER 7TH, 2024.
UH, EXHIBIT B FOUR IS THE PROOF OF ADVERTISEMENT RECEIVED FROM THE MERCURY DATED NOVEMBER 7TH, 2024, AFFIRMING THE PUBLICATION OF THE HEARING NOTICE WAS MADE ON OCTOBER 29TH AND NOVEMBER 7TH, 2024.
UH, EXHIBIT B FIVE IS AN EMAIL FROM JEFFREY GRACE, THE TOWNSHIP DIRECTOR PLANNING DATED OCTOBER 3RD, 2024, UH, WHICH IS 46 DAYS PRIOR TO THE HEARING DATE, PROVIDING A LINK TO DOWNLOAD THE DRAFT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND PROVIDING NOTIFICATION OF THIS HEARING TO THE COUNTY CONTIGUOUS MUNICIPALITIES IN THE LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICT ALONG WITH DELIVERY CONFIRMATIONS.
AND ANY COMMENTS RECEIVED IN RESPONSE TO SAID EMAILS.
UH, EXHIBIT B SIX IS A LIST OF MEETINGS AT WHICH THE COMP PLAN WAS DISCUSSED BEGINNING IN JANUARY, 2019 THROUGH SEPTEMBER, 2024.
EXHIBIT B SEVEN WERE THE MEETING MINUTES OF THE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION DATED OCTOBER 2ND, 2024, AT WHICH THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED TO RECOMMEND THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BE FORWARDED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, I WILL, UH, TURN IT OVER TO, TO MR. GRACE, UH, TO MAKE HIS PRESENTATION ON THE COMP PLAN.
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WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS PROCESS.I THINK EVERYBODY'S WELL FAMILIAR WITH THE PLAN, BUT I'LL HIT UP SOME HIGHLIGHTS AND SOME, SOME, UH, SOME OF THE TASKS THAT WE, WE HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH ONCE WE ADOPT THE PLAN.
YOU KNOW, SINCE THE 2010 PLAN WHEN WE LAST ADOPTED OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THERE HAVE BEEN 2,900 NEW RESIDENTS BETWEEN CENSUS TIONS.
MY ESTIMATE PAST THAT FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS IS PROBABLY ANOTHER 3030 500 NEW RESIDENTS BASED ON THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE.
UM, BETWEEN 2010 AND 2020, WE WERE THE SIXTH FASTEST GROWING REGION, WHICH, WHILE THAT SOUNDS REALLY HIGH, WE WERE THE FASTEST GROWING MUNICIPALITY IN THE REGION FROM 1990 TO 2010.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE SLOWING DOWN A LITTLE BIT, WHICH IT MAKES SENSE 'CAUSE UH, WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH LAND LEFT TO DEVELOP.
UM, YOU CAN SEE OUR POPULATION INCREASED 14% BETWEEN 2010 AND 2020.
IT WAS 38% IN BETWEEN IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS AND 57% FROM 1990 TO 2000.
THE ONE THING I FOUND INTERESTING ABOUT ONE OF OUR STUDIES WAS IN, IN THE VACANT LAND, WE KNOW WE ONLY HAVE 5% LEFT TO DEVELOP.
I MEAN, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH LEFT, BUT IN 2010, WE, WE ONLY HAD 6.5% LEFT TO DEVELOP.
I MEAN, THAT WAS THE, THE AMOUNT OF VACANT LAND WE HAD IN, IN 2010.
SO WE HAVEN'T DEVELOPED A LOT OF LAND OVER THE LAST DECADE.
I KNOW IT FEELS LIKE A LOT WHAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED, WE HAVE DEVELOPED IN A MORE DENSE MANNER THAN, THAN PROBABLY WE HAD BEFORE.
BUT WHAT THAT HAS LED TO WAS A SHIFT IN DEMOGRAPHICS.
UM, BUT IT REALLY HAS STABILIZED OUR DEMOGRAPHICS BECAUSE WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE MOVE IN, IN THE LAST 20 TO 25 YEARS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WHAT THE POPULATIONS REMAIN STABLE.
WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE AVERAGE AGE IS BETWEEN 50 AND 60 YEARS OLD.
THE, THE, THE TOWNSHIP POPULATION'S LIKELY TO PLATEAU DURING THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WINDOW DURING THE 10 YEARS THAT THIS PLAN LOOKED AT.
GRANTED, I I LOOKED AT IT A LITTLE BIT FARTHER THAN THAT JUST 'CAUSE I KNOW HOW THESE PLANS WORK.
BUT, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR, WE REALLY ARE HITTING THE POINT TO WHERE OUR POPULATION'S NOT GOING TO INCREASE AS MUCH AS WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY.
AND IT REALLY WILL SLOW DOWN OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
UM, THE MAJORITY OF THE TOWNSHIP MOVED IN LESS THAN 25 YEARS AGO, UH, WHICH MEANS FROM 2000 TO TO NOW, AND THE LARGEST PERCENTAGE OF CHILDREN ARE EIGHTH GRADE OR LOWER.
AGAIN, THIS SPEAKS TO A REALLY STABLE POPULATION.
ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, I DIDN'T PUT THE HOME OWNERSHIP NUMBERS IN HERE, BUT THE HOME OWNERSHIP IS UPWARDS OF 80% OF THE PROPERTIES FROM THE TOWNSHIP ARE, ARE HOME, ARE OWNER OCCUPIED.
UM, THE HOUSING STOCK SPEAKING OF THAT IS, IS STABLE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS TO LOOK AT IS PROVIDING A FAIR SHARE OF HOUSING TYPE.
AND THAT MEANS A BROAD SECTION OF APARTMENTS, TOWNHOUSES, OR SINGLE FAMILY HA ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS AND, AND MO UH, MOBILE HOMES.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY MOBILE HOMES IN THE TOWNSHIP, BUT WE DO PROVIDE AREAS THAT THEY COULD BE DEVELOPED PER COMMONWEALTH LAW IF WE HAD TO.
UM, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY IN THE 15 YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN IN THIS POSITION, OR THE 20 YEARS I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE TOWNSHIP.
EVEN I THINK I RECEIVED ONE PHONE CALL ABOUT A MOBILE HOME OVER THAT.
MATTER OF FACT, IT'S JUST THE COURT CONCERNING THERE'S SOME NORTH PROVIDENCE AND PLENTY IN LIMERICK.
SO, UM, WE ALSO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE POPULATION NOW AND WE MEET THE NEEDS OF THE PROJECTED FUTURE POPULATION.
UM, WHEN LOOKING AT THE DELAWARE VALLEY REGIONAL PLANNING AUTHORITY, THAT'S SORT OF THE DEMOGRAPHIC CLEARINGHOUSE FOR THE, FOR THE COUNTY, FOR THE THE METRO PHILADELPHIA AREA.
THEY PROJECT A CERTAIN NUMBER AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THEY SAY WE'RE GONNA HAVE BY 2030 AND 2035, RIGHT NOW WE'RE ON TRACK TO HAVE A DEFICIT OF 38 HOMES.
SO, AND A NUMBER THAT CLOSE, YOU REALLY CAN'T, I MEAN, WE GENERALLY NEED IT 'CAUSE IT, IT IS, IT IS ROUNDING ERROR AT SOME POINT DURING THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT, AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO TALK ABOUT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS HAVING A BROAD SECTION OF HOUSING PRICING.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HEAR A LOT WHEN WE'RE HERE, OH, WHAT'S THE PRICE POINT OF THAT HOUSE? 600, 701 0.1, 1.2.
YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO LOOK AT HAVING SOME HOUSING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ON THE OPENING PRICE POINT END FOR THOSE FAMILIES THAT ARE JUST STARTING OUT, OR COUPLES THAT ARE JUST STARTING OUT SO THAT THEY CAN BUY IN NOW AND THEN MOVE UP AND STAY WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP.
OR EVEN THE REVERSE OF THAT TO WHERE, WHEN OUR CHILDREN MOVE OUT OF OUR HOUSES AND WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE BIG SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, WE DON'T HAVE TO MOVE PICKING OF PRUSSIA BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TOWNHOUSES AND, AND CONDOS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE HAVE THOSE AVAILABLE TO US AT A REASONABLE PRICE POINT IN THE TOWNSHIP AND, AND THEY'RE NEWER QUALITY.
WE'RE NOT TALKING, YOU KNOW, MY HOUSE IS FROM 1976, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU WANT TO HAVE THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE INTO SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT NEWER.
UM, WHAT THIS MEANS IS, IS REDEVELOPMENT
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OF EXISTING AREAS FOR NEW HOUSING, UH, OVERDEVELOPING THAT UNDEVELOPED LAND.AND, AND WE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THAT IN HERE.
AGAIN, I TALKED ABOUT THE MAIN THRUST OF THIS PLAN IS REDEVELOPMENT AND LAND PRESERVATION.
THAT THOSE ARE WHAT ALL, ALL WHAT WE TALK ABOUT IN HERE AND IN THE LAND USE PLAN, THE OPEN SPACE PRESERVATION.
WE TALK ABOUT THE SECOND AVENUE AREA, THE HOLLOW ROAD AREA, AND THE WALKER TRACK.
WE'VE ALREADY GOT A LEG UP ON THE WALKER TRACK THAT'S ALREADY IN PROCESS, BUT HOLLOW ROAD AND SECOND AVENUE AREA, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE AREAS THAT AREN'T DEVELOPED THAT PROBABLY ARE PRETTY PRIME FOR DEVELOPMENT.
THERE'S AN AREA RIGHT OFF OF, UM, UH, THE, IT'S OFF OF 29 AND, UM, I'M FORGET THE NAME OF THE STREET AT THIS POINT, BUT IT, IT IS OVER WHERE, NEAR WHERE TOM LIVES.
THERE'S, THERE'S A PARCEL IN THERE THAT I'M SURPRISED IT HASN'T DEVELOPED AT THIS POINT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A LARGE FLAT PARCEL THAT, THAT I'M WAITING FOR.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US, AND I THINK THE BOARD HAS EXPRESSED THE SAME INTEREST TO COME IN AND LOOK AT BUYING THEIR DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS AND LOOK AT KEEPING THAT FROM BEING DEVELOPED.
KEEPING SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES AT THE SECOND AVENUE AREA.
WE KNOW WE HAVE PARKHOUSE COMING IN.
THERE'S OTHER AVAILABLE LAND IN THERE.
LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET IN THERE AND DO SOMETHING.
COME UP WITH A PROGRAM TO WHERE WE'RE NOT RELYING ON COUNTY OPEN SPACE MONEY, BUT WE'RE ALSO NOT TAKING ON A HUGE BURDEN OF, WELL, WE NOW HAVE 200 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE.
HOW MUCH DOES THE TOWNSHIP HAVE TO MAINTAIN DEVELOPMENT, BUYING DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, AND BUYING THOSE SORT OF, UM, BUYING THAT, TAKING THAT AVENUE REALLY FREES THE TOWNSHIP UP TO HAVE OPEN SPACE BUT DOESN'T HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF LIKE MAINTAINING IT OVER, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT HUNDREDS OF 300 YEARS.
UH, THE REDEVELOPMENT AREAS ARE THE ROUTE 29 INTERCHANGE CAMPUS DRIVE, THE OAKS INTERCHANGE AND THE RIDGE PIKE CORRIDOR.
UH, WE'RE HEARING A LITTLE BIT FROM LENNAR AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THE CAMPUS DRIVE ROUTE 29 INTERCHANGE.
I'VE HAD OTHER PHONE CALLS ABOUT SOME OF THE EMPTY OFFICE BUILDINGS THERE.
IT'S GONNA BE AN AREA THAT'S GONNA REDEVELOP THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE'S THERE AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO FOSTER GOOD DEVELOPMENT IN THERE.
SOMETHING THAT MINIMAL IMPACT ON SCHOOLS, BUT STILL HAS A, A GOOD TAX BASE, A POSITIVE IMPACT FOR OUR TAX BASE.
UH, YOU CAN ALSO LOOK AT THE, THE OAKS INTERCHANGE WHERE THAT IS.
I, I'M, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER DOWN THERE AND WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD CONVERSATIONS SINCE THE COMP PLAN CAME OUT ABOUT LOOKING AT THE ZONING DOWN THERE, LOOKING TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE IT A LITTLE LESS INDUSTRIAL, A LITTLE BIT LESS OF A DISTRIBUTION CENTER AND FOSTER THE EXPO CENTER AND SOME OF THE MORE ENTERTAINMENT USES THAT ARE DOWN THERE.
THE PEOPLE AND TRUCKING INTERACTION DOWN THERE IS NOT A SAFE ENVIRONMENT.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AND WORK THROUGH ZONING AND LOOK AT HOW CAN WE FOSTER THAT THROUGH THE CHANGES IN LAND USE AND THE CHANGES IN ZONING FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT, IT'S KIND OF A MUDDLE DOWN THERE ANYWAY.
'CAUSE THERE'S SOME REGULATIONS IN PLACE THAT, THAT DON'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE FOR THE WAY IT'S DEVELOPED OR THE WAY THAT IT IS NOW.
UH, THE RICH BANK CORRIDOR, THAT'S ONE OF OUR MAIN AREAS OF, WE HAVE ZONING IN PLACE WITH COMMERCIAL ZONING IN PLACE AND IT JUST REALLY HASN'T DONE MUCH.
WE DID HAVE A, A RESIDENTIAL PROPOSAL ONCE ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO THAT DIDN'T GET MUCH TRACTION FROM THE TOWNSHIP.
WE'RE NOT SURE THAT'S REALLY RESIDENTIAL, BUT WHAT CAN WE DO TO FOSTER THAT IN THERE? RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY PROPOSAL WE'VE GOTTEN, FORMAL PROPOSAL WE'VE GOTTEN IS FOR A FLEX INDUSTRIAL SPACE.
AND I'M NOT SURE THAT'S QUITE WHAT WE WANT FOR RIDGE PIKE AND, AND THE TRAFFIC THAT'S ALREADY ON THERE.
UM, WE DO NEED TO, FROM THE LATEST PLAN, LOOK AT SOME ZONING VIABILITY FOR A PIECE AT THE END OF LONG FOR ROAD RIGHT ON TOP OF GLOBAL PACKAGING, BOTH GLOBAL PACKAGING AND A PIECE AT THE CORNER OF, OF LONG FOR ROAD AND ER ROAD.
JUST SOME PIECES THAT WHILE THEY'RE ZONED, I THINK SOMEWHAT APPROPRIATELY, IT STILL IS LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, IS THAT LONG TERM WHAT WE WANT TO GO THERE AND NOW THAT THE TOWNSHIP SORT OF FINISHING UP WITH ITS DEVELOPMENT, DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE THAT AND ENCOURAGE WHAT WOULD GO THERE, WHICH IS FOR THE LONGFORD ROAD SOUTH OF PAGER ROAD WOULD BE INDUSTRIAL.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE BEST OPTION BECAUSE YOU, YOU'RE PUTTING A LOT OF TRUCKS THROUGH A RESIDENTIAL AREA OR THROUGH MONTCLAIR AND WE ALL KNOW THAT SEMI TRACTOR TRAILERS THROUGH MONTCLAIR IS NOT A GREAT IDEA.
SO, UM, AND THEN SAME THING WITH THE, THE INTERSECTION OF LONGFORD AND EGYPT.
THERE'S SOME, THERE'S A PARTIAL IN THERE THAT, I'M NOT SURE WHY WE'VE NEVER HAD A PHONE CALL ABOUT IT, BUT IT IS, YOU KNOW, VERY DEVELOPABLE.
WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PUTTING THE APPROPRIATE THING THERE.
UM, AND FINALLY FROM MY STANDPOINT, WE WANNA LOOK AT THE ZONING DISTRICTS.
I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE BOARD ABOUT NOW THAT WE'RE SORT OF TRANSITIONING TO SMALLER PARCELS OR REDEVELOPMENT PARCELS, OUR ZONING DISTRICTS, WHETHER IT'S COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL, INTERCHANGE, OFFICE, SPECIALTY DISTRICTS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE INDUS OR THE, UH, INSTITUTIONAL OVERLAP, THOSE DISTRICTS DON'T REALLY WORK FOR.
THEY, THEY GENERALLY WORK, BUT THEY, THEY HAVE SOME ISSUES AND WE NEED TO UPDATE THEM FOR THE WAY DEVELOPMENT IS NOW.
DEVELOPMENT IS CONSTANTLY CHANGING.
THE ZONING BOARD SHOULD TRY TO KEEP UP WITH AS BEST
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ITS BEST IT CAN.I WOULD LIKE TO BE A LITTLE LESS REACTIONARY AND A LITTLE BIT MORE PROACTIVE.
WE TEND TO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT COME IN AND WE GO, OKAY, WELL LET'S SEE IF WE CAN FIT THIS INTO THE ZONING.
HOW DO WE CHANGE THE ZONING? I WOULD LIKE TO, WITH SOME OF THESE DISTRICTS, WRITE A LITTLE BIT TO AN EITHER, AS I SAID, THE PLANNING COMMISSION THEM TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT OR DISCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S SORT OF WHAT WE WENT, THE EXERCISE WE WENT THROUGH WITH, WITH ALL OF THESE DISTRICTS.
AND SO SOME OF THOSE LANGUAGES WILL GET TWEAKED OVER THE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.
AND AS THE PRIORITY LIST WE WILL GET TO 'EM A LITTLE BIT.
UM, SO FROM THE LAND USE PLAN, THAT'S SORT OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
I'M GONNA HAND IT OVER TO CASEY FOR THE TRANSPORTATION SIDE OF IT.
CASEY MOORE, TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER, UH, WITH BOWMAN CONSULTING GROUP.
SO I'M JUST GONNA COVER ON UH, THREE AREAS THAT WE LOOKED AT.
OBVIOUSLY WITH ANY PLANNING, UH, GOOD TRANSPORTATION IS REQUIRED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO THE FIRST SLIDE DEALS WITH ROAD CLASSIFICATION.
WE LOOKED AT ALL THE ROAD CLASSIFICATIONS FOR 31 KEY ROADWAYS IN THE TOWNSHIP.
UM, AND BASED ON THE REVIEW OF THOSE CLASSIFICATIONS, WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE USAGE OF THOSE ROADS.
THE PLANNED PROJECTS ON THOSE ROADS IS THE RIGHT OF WAY SUFFICIENT ALONG THOSE ROADWAYS.
IS THE CART WAY SUFFICIENT ALONG THOSE ROADWAYS TO ACCOMMODATE THE FUTURE PLANS OF THE TOWNSHIP? UM, OUT OF THE 31 ROADWAYS WE LOOKED AT, THERE WERE SEVEN, FOUR STATE ROADS AND THREE TOWNSHIP ROADS THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY RECOMMENDING BASED ON PENNDOT'S CLASSIFICATIONS ALSO TO MOVE THEM UP A LEVEL SO THAT THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE, UH, THE FUTURE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND THOSE ARE HIGHLIGHTED ON THIS TABLE.
UM, WHEN WE GOT THROUGH EVERYTHING, WE LOOKED AT, UH, WHAT ARE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS THAT SHOULD BE A PRIORITY.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE TOWNSHIP FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
UM, THIS LIST, UH, ARE THE TR PRIORITY PROJECTS THAT KIND OF RISEN TO THE SURFACE FOR THINGS THAT TOWNSHIP SHOULD HANDLE.
UM, SOME ARE UNDERWAY, SOME ARE, UM, UH, LOOKING FOR FUNDING, ET CETERA.
BUT THEY COME THROUGH THINGS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE TOWNSHIPS ACT 2 0 9 TRANSPORTATION CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN DEVELOPER PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING DONE.
UH, THE ACTIVE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION, UH, PLAN THAT THE TOWNSHIP HAD A GRANT FOR, AS WELL AS THE SAFETY NEEDS, UH, FOR ENHANCEMENT FOR THE TOWNSHIP.
I DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH THEM IN IN DETAIL.
I THINK YOU'RE READING THEM AS I'M TALKING.
BUT, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE CAN ENTERTAIN THIS NEXT SLIDE.
SO THIS PART THAT I WANTED TO DISCUSS WAS THE ACTION ITEMS. WHAT ARE THE ACTION ITEMS RELEVANT TO TRANSPORTATION THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS UPON? THERE'S A LOT OF BULLET POINTS HERE, BUT MY OVERVIEW IS REALLY WE NEED TO GET A LOT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS INTO MAP UPDATES, INCLUDING THE OFFICIAL MAP FOR THE TOWNSHIP AND THE RIGHT OF WAY MAP THAT THE TOWNSHIP HAS, UH, EVENTUALLY DO AN ACT 2 0 9 UPDATE IN THE TOWNSHIP.
IT IS A 10 YEAR PLANNING HORIZON.
IT WAS DONE IN 2019, OR I'M SORRY, YEAH, 2019.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT 2029 IS THAT HORIZON YEAR? SO SOMETIME IN THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS WE'LL NEED TO UPDATE THAT, IDENTIFY IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED TO ADDRESS, UH, SAFETY ENHANCEMENTS IN THE TOWNSHIP.
UH, WE TOOK A STEP ON THAT WITH APPLYING FOR A SAFE STREETS FOR ALL GRANT WITH THE SS FOUR A THING.
AND WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO CONSIDER AND HAVE CONSIDERED IN THIS TOWNSHIP FOR MANY YEARS, THE MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION NEEDS AN THE TOWNSHIP WALKING, BIKING, ET CETERA.
SO IT'S, IT'S ALL IN ONE PIECE.
SO MOVING ALONG THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND THE COMPLETE STREETS POLICY IN THAT REGARD.
UH, COORDINATING WITH SEPTA'S BUS REVOLUTION, UH, MAKE SURE WE'RE IN STEP WITH D-V-R-P-C AND THE TIP IMPROVEMENTS SO THAT WE CAN GET PROJECTS ON THE TIP AS WELL AS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH POTENTIAL FUTURE TDM POLICY, UM, SO THAT THERE'S BETTER TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT IN THE TOWNSHIP.
SO THAT'S REALLY AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THIS SLIDE COVERS.
AND I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO JEFF UNLESS THERE'S QUESTIONS OR QUESTIONS AT THE END.
A LOT OF THESE ACTION ITEMS ARE ALSO CONTAINED IN THIS CHART.
WE HAD THE PLANNING COMMISSION GO THROUGH AND PUT THEIR STAMP ON WHAT DO THEY WANT FOR HIGH, MEDIUM, LOW, MEDIUM PLUS LOW PLUS.
I'M NOT REALLY SURE THAT'S THE CATEGORY.
SHOULD PROBABLY BE EITHER MEDIUM OR HIGH, BUT THEY SORT OF FUDGE, THEY HEDGE THEIR BETS A LITTLE BIT.
UM, SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS THE HIGH PRIORITY ACTION ITEMS LISTED HERE, THE OFFICIAL MAP, THE RIGHT OF WAY MAP, UH, SOME OF THE PRESERVATION PROJECTS, UH, THE RIDGE BIKE ZONING EVALUATION, UM, SOME TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.
THEY'VE ALL RECEIVED SORT OF HIGH AND HIGH PLUS OR MEDIUM PLUS.
SO THESE ARE WHAT IF THE PLAN'S ADOPTED TONIGHT, WE
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WILL BE LOOKING AT OVER THE NEXT YEAR TO TWO YEARS TO REALLY SORT OF MOVE SORT OF SOME THINGS FORWARD.AND IF THERE'S ANY THAT FROM THE PREVIOUS CHART THAT THE BOARD WANTS TO SEE MOVED UP, WE CAN CERTAINLY CHANGE THOSE PRIORITIES.
UM, HOWEVER WE, HOWEVER YOU SEE WHATEVER YOU SEE FIT.
UM, SO WHAT THE COMP PLAN'S DONE GIVEN US A LIST, GIVEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE CONSULTANT, SORT OF A LIST OF THINGS TO DO OVER THE NEXT FIVE TO 10 YEARS.
I THINK MOST OF THE TIME IF YOU'RE WORKING ON IT CORRECTLY, YOU'RE FINISHING THE COMP PLAN PROBABLY ABOUT EIGHT YEARS.
YOU GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO SETTLE AT LEAST THE ACTION ITEMS AND THEN YOU MOVE ON AND AT THAT 10 YEAR WINDOW, YOU START IT BACK UP AGAIN.
SO, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
UH, I THINK, YOU KNOW FROM, OH, ACTUALLY WHAT I DO HAVE THAT, WHAT I PUT IN FRONT OF YOU EARLIER IS THE REVIEWS WE RECEIVED, WE RECEIVED THREE AND A HALF REVIEWS.
I'LL SAY WE, THERE WAS ONE FROM TRAP, THEY WERE COMPLIMENTARY.
THERE WAS CHESTER COUNTY COMPLIMENTARY, SOME TECHNICAL ISSUES.
THERE'S, YOU KNOW, FROM THE COUNTIES THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE TECHNICAL ISSUES.
MONTGOMERY COUNTY GENERALLY POSITIVE, SOME TECHNICAL ISSUES.
AND THEN ONE FROM CECILE DANIEL'S FROM PERKIOMEN.
SHE DIDN'T REALLY REVIEW THE COMP PLAN.
SHE JUST SAID THAT ONE OF OUR TRAIL PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE LISTED, SHE WOULD LIKE TO PARTNER WITH THE TOWNSHIP ON.
SO I'M TAKING THAT AS A POSITIVE REVIEW OF THE COMP PLAN AND WE'LL, I'LL REACH OUT TO HER TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO IN TERMS OF SORT OF CREATING A JOINT, UH, TRAIL PROJECT.
IT'S ON THE PICO RIGHT OF WAY, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE, BUT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF WHERE WE ARE.
SO THOSE REVIEWS WILL BE FOLDED INTO THE LAST PAGE OF THE DOCUMENT.
ONCE IT'S ADOPTED, WE'LL GET A FORMAL, WE'LL GET EVERYBODY A FORMAL COPY OF IT, A NICE NOTEBOOK, ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF.
SO IF YOU, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU ASSIGN DATES TO THESE ACTIONS? AND THEN HOW OFTEN DO WE GET AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE OUTTA THE ACTIONS? TYPICALLY THE HIGH PRIORITY WITHIN ONE TO TWO YEARS, THREE TO FOUR YEARS FOR MEDIUM.
AND THEN BEYOND THAT FOR THE LOW PRIORITY IS THE, IS THE WINDOW WE HAVE WRITTEN IN THE COMP PLAN.
I TYPICALLY HAVE BEEN GIVEN FROM THE PREVIOUS COMP PLAN, GIVEN THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION A MEMO YEARLY.
IF YOU'D LIKE THAT TO CHANGE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO BE MORE OFTEN, IF YOU'D LIKE MORE UPDATES, I CAN WORK WITH WHATEVER WINDOW, WHATEVER WORK FRAME YOU WOULD LIKE, WORK FLOW YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO WORK ON.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
JUST TYPICALLY WE, YOU KNOW, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, WE KIND OF, I PRODUCE A MEMO.
I HAVEN'T DONE IT FOR THE PAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.
'CAUSE THE LAST COMP PLAN, WE EITHER GOT THROUGH ALL OF THE ACTION ITEMS OR THEY WEREN'T, THEY DIDN'T APPLY ANYMORE.
SO YOU PROBABLY HAVEN'T SEEN IT RECENTLY.
UM, IT IS, YOU KNOW, I, I'LL PROBABLY PUT ONE OUT IN JANUARY, UH, OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THIS YEAR AND THEN I CAN UPDATE THE BOARD AS YOU TELL ME TO.
I THINK DEFINITELY A FORMAL REVIEW OF BUDGETS ON, UH, WOULD BE NICE.
AND THEN FOR THESE ON HERE, IF ANYTHING GETS RED FLAGGED AS FAR AS DO WE HIT A BARRIER THAT WE CAN'T DO THE PROJECT OKAY.
THAT, THAT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW.
IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE WE CAN DO ABOUT IT? OKAY.
NO, I I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THE, THE HIT A BARRIER PART.
SO I ONLY HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY MADE A NUMBER OF SUGGESTIONS.
ARE, UH, I, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S LETTERS FINE.
I DON'T THINK IT, I THINK OUR COMP PLAN CAN STAND AS IT IS.
I THINK THE LETTER CAN GO IN THE, IN THE, IN THE, UH, APPEND FINE.
LIKE ONE OF THEIR SUGGESTIONS IS TO, TO USE THEIR, THEIR POPULATION FIGURES THAT THEY ADOPTED A MONTH AFTER WE ADOPT, AFTER WE MOVED THE PLAN ON FROM OURS WAS MOVED ON FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON OCTOBER 2ND.
THEY ADOPTED NEW POPULATION NUMBERS ON OCTOBER 30TH AND THEY SUGGESTED WE USE THE NEW NUMBERS.
AND I'M LIKE, AND IN MY PHONE CALL WITH 'EM, I'M LIKE, WE HAD TO PICK A TIME AND DATE THAT WE STOPPED EVERYTHING.
AND I GET IT, LAND USE ZONING, NOTHING STOPS ON A DAY.
AND SO I FEEL OUR PLAN CAN STAND AS IT IS WITH THE NOTES OF THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION IN THE APPENDS AS A REFERENCE.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE OF THE PLAN.
AND I DID BECAUSE I, THAT'S MY NATURE.
I HAD TO GO BACK AND LOOK AND SEE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WAS IN THEIR POPULATION THEY'RE SUGGESTING NOW VERSUS THE POPULATION THAT WE USED AS OUR POPULATION ESTIMATE.
AND IT WAS ABOUT 600 PEOPLE, WHICH I HAD ACCOUNTED FOR IN MY NUMBERS.
WHEN I LOOK BACK TO MY POPULATION INCREASE AND USED THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT WE'VE RECEIVED THAT DOESN'T GET COUNTED IN THE CENSUS.
THAT'S WHY YOU SAW THAT FIRST SLIDE THAT SAID 3,500 PEOPLE.
I JUST, IT WASN'T FORMAL THAT THE COUNTY THAT THEIR MOVED OUT.
THEY WANTED SOME CONCERNS OF THINGS LIKE OUR RELATIONSHIP TO BLOW OVER PER COUNTY VALLEY AUTHORITY.
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OTHER PLACES WE YEAH, WE HAVE A MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY THAT, THAT'S RELATIONSHIP HERE WITH ANY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.I TRIED TO KEEP THIS AND IT IS 135 PAGES, SO I TRIED TO KEEP IT AS SMALL AS POSSIBLE.
AND FOR 135 PAGES, THAT'S RELATIVELY SMALL, YOU CAN, I MEAN, SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE 500 PAGES OF JUST STUFF YOU STICK ON A SHELF AND YOU DON'T NEED, I TRIED TO KEEP THIS AND I REMEMBER TELLING ANTHONY AND CASEY THIS ENGENDER IN THE PROCESS.
WE WANT TO KEEP THIS AS NEAT AND CLEAN AND GRAPHICS POSSIBLE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND AND READ.
YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES WHEN I SPEAK ABOUT LAND DEVELOPMENT, YOU GUYS GLOSS OVER AND YOU'RE LIKE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT HE MEANS.
AND I TRY TO EXPLAIN IT AS THE BEST I CAN AND I TRY TO EXPLAIN IN THE CO AS BEST I CAN.
BUT YOU WANT TO KEEP IT SO THAT PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY READ IT.
YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES TIM TELLS US, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO WRITE FOR A FIFTH GRADER.
I DON'T THINK WE WROTE FOR THAT NECESSARILY, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO WRITE SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IT IS HIS JOURNALISM BACKGROUND.
I THINK SO YEAH, THERE WERE TWO THINGS IN THERE THOUGH.
ONE ARE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS, TRAFFIC SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS, AND THE OTHER ARE TRAILS AND SIDEWALKS.
AND IT, IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE'VE PUT TOGETHER A TO-DO LIST THERE, BUT I'M WONDERING DO WE HAVE A TO-DO LIST? DO WE HAVE MARKED OFF SOME THINGS ARE WAITING ON DEVELOPERS THAT WE DONE SOME THINGS THE TOWNSHIP WILL HAVE TO DO AND WE SHOULD BE APPLYING FOR GRANTS.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY ON, ON THE ACTION ITEMS. WHETHER IT'S THE TRAFFIC CONSULTANT OR THE PLANNING DIRECTOR.
SOME OF THEM, YOU KNOW, WE WILL, UM, REACH OUT.
I KNOW THAT WE'VE REACHED OUT TO, UM, DELTA ABOUT THE TRAIL GRANT.
IS THAT THE ONE WE DIDN'T GET? MAKE SURE HEAR ABOUT IT TOMORROW.
SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A GRANT THAT WE HAVE FOR WRITING A TRAIL PLAN.
A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS REALLY A COLLECTION OF OTHER PLANS AND SORT OF COMPILING THEM TOGETHER.
AND SO WE'RE STILL WORKING AND THAT'S SORT OF OUR NEXT TO DO IS A TRAIL PLAN.
CASEY'S CONSTANTLY WORKING WITH, YOU KNOW, TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE NEED TO DO WITH THE TOM BROAD BELT.
SO IT'S, IT'S, THAT'S PART KIND OF AN ONGOING PROCESS.
YEAH, WELL I'M JUST, I'M NOT TALKING TO JUST YOU, I'M TALKING TO BRIAN, TIM TOO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO, SOME OF THESE THINGS NEED TO MAKE 'EM INTO OUR BUDGET EVERY YEAR.
PARTICULARLY SOME OF THESE SIDEWALK PROJECTS THAT ARE IN PLACES IN THE TOWNSHIP WHERE THERE'S AN DEVELOPER COMING TO TO BUILD THOSE SIDEWALKS.
SO WE JUST NEED TO GET ON WITH IT AND THE TOWNSHIP NEEDS TO TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY, GET SOME GRANTS AND START DOING THESE PROJECTS.
AND I KNOW WE CAN'T DO 'EM ALL AT ONCE, BUT WE CAN START BITING 'EM OFF A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME.
I WALKING SAFETY IN THE TOWNSHIP IS, IT'S TOUGH.
THERE'S A LOT OF TOUGH PLACES, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T WALK THERE FROM HERE
SO THIS WOULD INCLUDE GOING OVER OUR ORDINANCES AND ZONING AND MAKING THOSE CHANGES TOO, IF THAT'S ALL INCLUDED IN THIS.
I THINK OUR ZONING ORDINANCE IS PRETTY GOOD, BUT IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT.
IT ALWAYS NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED AND UPDATED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UM, ALRIGHT, IF THE, UH, THE BOARD IS DONE WITH QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, UH, WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO IF THERE ARE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS, ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP WHEN MAKE GOOD COMMENT.
UH, IF THE RECORD SHOW THAT NO PUBLIC COMMENT HAS BEEN REQUESTED.
UM, SO WITH THAT, I WILL CLOSE THE HEARING.
UM, AND I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE WHETHER THE BOARD IS, UH, WILLING TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
UM, I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION FOR THIS TO ADOPT THIS RESOLUTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 37 APPROVING THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN IN 2024.
OFFICER, ALL THOSE A FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED THE MOTION PASSES.
SO THERE'S NO OLD BUSINESS, UM,
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ON TO NEW BUSINESS.UM, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION REGARDING THE PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT OF 1000 CAMPUS DRIVE.
ALLISON ZARO ON BEHALF OF NAR WITH ME THIS EVENING ARE, UM, SEVERAL REPRESENTATIVES FROM NAR, INCLUDING MIKE BROWN.
UM, SO I'M GONNA GIVE YOU SOME DETAILS AFTER I GO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.
UM, I WAS HERE BACK IN AUGUST AND UNFORTUNATELY THE UNFORESEEN EVENT, I COULDN'T HAVE LANAR WITH ME THAT NIGHT.
AND I HAVE, UM, FULL REPRESENTATION FROM LEONARD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, THIS PROPERTY IS 1000 CAMPUS DRIVE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ON THE SCREEN.
UM, AND IF YOU RECALL, WE WERE HERE, UM, TO TALK ABOUT A PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE.
UM, THE SITE IS ALMOST 18 ACRES, UM, AND IT IS CURRENTLY IMPROVED WITH AN APPROXIMATELY 80,000 SQUARE FOOT OFF THIS BUILDING THAT IT'S A VACANT, UH, ALONG WITH OVER 500 PARKING SPACES.
UM, THIS PROPERTY IS PART OF THE PROVIDENCE CORPORATE CENTER,
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UM, AND THERE IS A MASTER PLAN APPROVAL THAT, UH, PERTAINS TO THE OVERALL CORPORATE CENTER.AND THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY WAS APPROVED FOR UP TO 150,000 SQUARE FEET AND STRUCTURED PARKING IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THE PARKING THAT WOULD'VE BEEN REQUIRED ON THE SITE.
UM, AS, AS IT STANDS, OBVIOUSLY EVERYONE'S JUST BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE COMP PLAN AND, UM, I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT, UM, SOME OF THESE, UH, VACANT PROPERTIES IN THE TOWNSHIP.
SO LENNAR IS INTERESTED IN, UH, PURCHASING THIS PROPERTY AND REDEVELOPING IT FOR RESIDENTIAL.
WHEN I WAS HERE IN AUGUST, UH, WE HAD SHOWN YOU A TRADITIONAL TOWNHOUSE PLAN, I'LL CALL IT.
UM, AND WE WERE ASKED TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
UM, FEEDBACK WE HEARD AT THAT TIME, UM, SUGGESTED THAT WE CONSIDER, UM, AN AGE TARGETED PRODUCT LIKE THERE IS IN WHITE SPRINGS TODAY, UM, AS WELL AS OTHER OPTIONS FOR ATTACHED HOUSING THAT MIGHT BE, UM, MORE ATTAINABLE OR ATTRACTIVE AS WELL TO A MOVE DOWN BUYER.
SO THIS NEW PLAN THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT, UH, IT STILL UTILIZES THE TWO EXISTING ACCESS POINTS, UH, THAT EXISTS TO THE SITE TODAY.
UH, AND, AND I WILL SAY THAT ULTIMATELY WHAT LAYS OUT HERE ENDS UP IS SOMEWHAT DRIVEN IN TERMS OF WHERE WE'RE PUTTING IT ON THE SITE AND THE OVERALL ROAD NETWORK BASED ON WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT IS TODAY, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP AS MUCH OF THE PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE SHOWING YOU TONIGHT WITHIN THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT OF WHAT IS ALREADY DEVELOPED.
THERE'S AN EXISTING STORMWATER BASIN ON THE SITE THAT YOU'LL SEE LABELED THERE.
UH, ADDITIONAL STORMWATER WOULD BE ADDED, BUT ESSENTIALLY THAT LAYOUT, UH, LENDS ITSELF SORT OF TO THE, THE CENTRALIZED AREA WE ARE SHOWING ON THE OUTSIDE 36 AGE TARGETED HOMES.
THEY WOULD HAVE AN OWNER SUITE ON THE LOWER LEVEL AND MIKE CAN GO THROUGH WHAT THAT WOULD, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR YOU.
AND THEN INTERNAL TO THE SITE, UH, WOULD BE 84 STACKED TOWN HOMES.
AND I KNOW I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE TALKING ABOUT STACKED TOWN HOMES AND WHAT WE BROUGHT TONIGHT WAS ACTUALLY FLOOR PLANS AND SORT OF AN ATTEMPT AT A 3D MODEL THAT WE CAN WALK YOU THROUGH TO EXPLAIN HOW THE STACKED TOWN HOMES WOULD WORK.
AND I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR, WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT 84 HOMES, THAT'S THE TOTAL NOT PER BUIL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S TWO IN THE BUILDING, THAT'S THE TOTAL, IT'S 120, RIGHT? YES.
SO THE TOTAL NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS ON THE SITE IS 120.
WE'RE ALSO SHOWING, UM, OVERFLOW PARKING AREAS.
WE HAVE 60, UH, VISITOR SPACES SHOWN IN A VARIETY OF EITHER PARALLEL ON STREET PARKING OR PERPENDICULAR ON STREET PARKING SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
THERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD GATHERING SPACE PROPOSED IN THE CENTER.
UM, AND WE DO ALSO SHOW WHAT IS NOW BECOME SOMETHING THAT'S REQUIRED FOR ALL OF THESE PLANS.
A MAILBOX KIOSK, ANY PULLOVER, UH, FOR THAT SPECIFICALLY.
THE OTHER THING WE HAVE LABELED ON THIS PLAN THAT YOU'LL SEE ARE BUS STOPS.
THERE ARE ACTUALLY BUS STOPS IN THIS AREA TODAY.
SO WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF AFTER CONFIRMING WHERE THOSE ARE GENERALLY LOCATED, HOW THAT ALL WORKS TOGETHER.
THERE'S EXISTING, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN EXISTING PATHWAY ALONG THE FRONTAGE ALREADY TODAY THAT WOULD BE RETAINED.
AND THEN WE ARE PRO PROPOSING, UH, SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
THE SECOND SLIDE THAT WE, WE HAVE SHOWS THIS OVERLAID ON THE EXISTING, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH WE THOUGHT MIGHT BE HELPFUL SO THAT YOU CAN SEE HOW THIS DOES GENERALLY LAY OUT OVER THE EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING AND PARKING.
YOU'LL SEE TO THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PLAN, WE'RE ACTUALLY PULLING BACK FROM AN A DEVELOPED AREA TODAY AND SOME OF THAT AREA WOULD BE PROPOSED TO BE USED FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
UM, I CAN PAUSE HERE IF YOU'D LIKE OR I DO ALSO HAVE MIKE WHO WE HAVE EXAMPLES OF THE TYPES OF UNITS WE'RE PROPOSING HERE, SQUARE FOOTAGE, AND LIKE I SAID, JUST TO GIVE YOU A FULLER SENSE OF WHAT A STACK TOWN HOME ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE AND HOW IT OPERATES.
UM, I CAN HAVE HIM SHOW YOU THAT NEXT IF YOU LIKE, IF OKAY, GOOD EVENING.
UH, AS ALLISON MENTIONED, I'M MIKE BROWN WITH NAR, UM, AND WE'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THE, THE FLOOR PLANS THAT WE HAVE HERE.
UM, SO THIS IS OUR, OUR JACKSON FLOOR PLAN.
THIS IS THE LOWER LEVEL OF THAT STACKED TOWNHOME.
UM, SO WE SEE THERE ON THE RIGHT, THERE'S A, UM, IS A EXAMPLE ELEVATION OF WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE.
UM, THERE'S MULTIPLE DIFFERENT FACADES THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE IN THIS PRODUCT.
UH, ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT THIS IS THAT WE'RE, THIS HAS BECOME A VERY POPULAR, UM, HOME FOR US.
THIS, UH, JACKSON PIPER STACKED TOWN HOME COMBINATION.
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UH, ONE OF THE HUGE BENEFITS TO IT IS THE LEVEL OF AFFORDABILITY, UH, IS JEFF MENTIONED EARLIER.UM, SO AS, UH, JEFF MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU KNOW, THE NEED FOR ATTAINABLE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UM, AND THIS PROVIDES THAT WE SEE THAT THIS SERVES MULTIPLE DEMOGRAPHICS IN THE COMMUNITIES WHERE WE CURRENTLY BUILD IT.
UM, SO LOOKING AT THIS LOWER JACKSON UNIT, UM, HERE WE GO.
SO YOU'VE GOT THE FRONT DOOR HERE, UH, TO THE RIGHT THAT WOULD SERVE THIS LOWER UNIT.
UM, AND LOOKING OVER TO THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN THAT WE HAVE HERE, YOU'VE GOT THAT, THAT ENTRY DOOR THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU, UM, ENTERS INTO THE LIVING SPACE WHERE YOU HAVE THE LIVING ROOM AND YOUR KITCHEN AREA AS WELL AS THE POWDER ROOM WITH YOUR ONE CAR GARAGE IMMEDIATELY BEHIND IN THE BACK HEADING UP THE STAIRS TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
THIS REALLY, THIS SPACE HERE TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THE FIRST OR THE FRONT HALF OF THAT SECOND LEVEL.
SO, UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT OVER HERE, SO THIS CORRESPONDING BALCONY AREA IS REALLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THIS OWNER SUITE.
UH, WE'RE NOT SHOWING THE DOOR ON THE FLOOR PLAN HERE, BUT UH, THAT'S TYPICALLY WHERE YOU WOULD ENTER OUT INTO ONE OF THESE BALCONIES.
AND HERE YOU'VE GOT YOUR OWNER SUITE, UH, WITH EN SUITE BATH, YOU'VE GOT YOUR SECONDARY BEDROOM, UM, ANOTHER BATHROOM AS WELL AS YOUR, UH, YOUR LAUNDRY ROOM.
UM, IN TERMS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE, UH, WE'RE ABOUT 1200, 1300 SQUARE FEET.
UM, AND IN TERMS OF PRICING, IF WE WERE ABLE TO COME TO MARKET TODAY WITH THIS IN THIS LOCATION, WE'D BE LOOKING IN THE, UH, IN THE LOW FOUR HUNDREDS.
CAN YOU FLIP THAT NEXT SLIDE FOR ME PLEASE, JEFF? AND SO NEXT WE'LL SHOW YOU THE JACKSON, WHICH IS THE PIPER, OH, I'M SORRY, WE'RE JUST ON THE JACKSON.
WE'RE ON THE PIPER HERE, WHICH IS THE UPPER UNIT.
SO THIS TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THE BACK HALF OF THAT SECOND FLOOR AND THEN THE ENTIRE THIRD FLOOR.
SO ON THE ENTRY LEVEL, WE'VE GOT YOUR ENTRANCE DOOR HERE THAT LEADS STRAIGHT BACK TO YOUR ONE CAR GARAGE IN THE BACK OF THE HOME.
AND THEN AS YOU WOULD HEAD UP THESE STAIRS TO THE SECOND FLOOR, AGAIN, THIS IS THE BACK HALF OF THAT SECOND FLOOR, YOU'VE GOT YOUR LIVING ROOM, KITCHEN, POWDER ROOM, UH, THIS SAYS OPTIONAL DECK.
WE TYPICALLY INCLUDE THAT ON ALL OF THESE HOMES.
AND THEN THE ENTIRE THIRD FLOOR IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THAT UPPER UNIT, WHICH IS YOUR OWNER'S SUITE WITH BATH, TWO SECONDARY BEDROOMS, UH, LAUNDRY ROOM, AND A AND A SECOND BATHROOM UP THERE AS WELL.
AND IF YOU CAN CHANGE TO THE NEXT SLIDE FOR ME, JEFF, HOPEFULLY THIS DOES A LITTLE BIT BETTER JOB OF SHOWING YOU HOW THOSE TWO UPPER AND LOWER UNITS LOCK TOGETHER.
UM, SO THIS IS YOUR FIRST FLOOR HERE WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE GARAGES SIDE BY SIDE ENTRY DOOR HERE FOR THE UPPER UNIT ENTRY FOR THE FIRST FLOOR UNIT HERE, YOUR LIVING LEVEL FOR YOUR, UH, LOWER TOWN HOME.
AND THEN THIS ONE HERE IS THE REAL IMPORTANT ONE THAT SHOWS YOU THAT HOW THIS, UH, THE LIVING LEVEL OF THE UPPER UNIT AND THE BEDROOM LEVEL OF THE LOWER UNIT KIND OF INTERLOCK.
SO THAT THEN AGAIN, THIS IS THE FRONT HALF, UM, OF THAT SECOND FLOOR WITH THE BALCONY WOULD BE OUT IN THIS, THIS AREA HERE.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR DECK OFF THE BACK HALF FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE UPPER UNIT.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR THIRD FLOOR PLAN.
UM, IN TERMS OF THAT UPPER UNIT.
UM, I KNOW I SKIPPED OVER THAT IN THE LAST SLIDE, BUT WE'RE ABOUT 1800 SQUARE FEET OF LIVING SPACE.
THIS IS THREE BEDROOM, TWO AND A HALF BATH.
AND IN TERMS OF PRICING, WE WOULD EXPECT THAT TO BE SOMEWHERE IN THE MID TO UPPER FORCE.
UM, THE OTHER GREAT THING ABOUT THIS FLOOR PLAN, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IS IT HITS A VARIETY OF DEMOGRAPHICS, BUT IT DOESN'T TEND TO BE, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE SEE OUR HOMEOWNERS OR PURCHASERS, UM, WITH SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN LIVING IN THIS PARTICULAR, UH, IN THESE FLOOR PLANS.
UM, THE, YOU DON'T SEE ALL FOLKS LIVING IN THERE GATE.
SORRY, YOU DON'T SEE ALL FOLKS LIVING IN THERE WITH ALL THE STAIRS IN THE, IN THE LOWER WE DO.
UM, SO YOU SEE A LOT OF SINGLES, UM, OF ALL AGE BRACKETS AS WELL AS COUPLES.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THOSE THAT ARE STARTING FAMILIES.
SO, UH, BY THE TIME WE, THOSE FOLKS GET TO THE AGE OR THEIR KIDS GET TO THE AGE WHERE THEY'RE GONNA HIT THE SCHOOLS, TYPICALLY WE SEE THEM LOOKING AT OUR MORE TRADITIONAL THREE STORY TOWNS, TWO STORY TOWNS OR OUR SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.
AND THEN LASTLY, WE'VE GOT OUR TAILOR.
SO THIS IS OUR AGE TARGETED PRODUCT THAT WAS ON THE PERIMETER
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OF THE, UH, THE LAYOUT THAT WE SHOWED EARLIER.SO WE'VE GOT AN EXAMPLE ELEVATION OVER HERE ON THE RIGHT.
UM, IF WE WERE TO GO BACK TO THE, UH, FLOOR PLAN OR THE, UH, THE SITE PLAN, I DON'T NEED YOU TO, UM, WE'RE NOT SHOWING AN OFFSET HERE, UH, BUT WE DO SHOW IT ON THE SITE PLAN THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
SO YOU'D HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DEPTH AND DEFINITION IN THE FRONT OF THAT.
BUT THIS IS THE ELEVATION WE HAVE FROM ANOTHER COMMUNITY, UH, CURRENTLY, UM, OVER HERE YOU'LL SEE THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN.
YOU GOT A TWO CAR GARAGE AND THEN YOUR LIVING LEVEL WITH THE OWNER SUITE AND BATH HERE ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
AND THEN THE SECOND FLOOR IS A LOFT WITH TWO BEDROOMS AND A BATHROOM WITH, UH, OPEN AREA TO BELOW.
AND AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IT OF ITS THE NATURE OF THIS BEING AN AGE TARGETED PRODUCT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE BENEFIT WE SEE HERE IS THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT IMPACT TO THE SCHOOLS THAT IT WAS A CONCERN THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT, UH, LAST TIME, SQUARE FOOTAGE WISE, UH, ALMOST 2,500 SQUARE FEET.
AND IN TERMS OF PRICING, WE'D PROBABLY BE LOOKING IN THE, IN THE UPPER FIVES.
ANY QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER FOR THE GROUP ON PRODUCT OR EXPECTED DEMOGRAPHICS? CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PLAN, JORDAN, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU WERE HERE BEFORE EVIDENCE, I'M SORRY, WHEN YOU WERE HERE BEFORE, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE NUMBER OF UNITS WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND I THOUGHT WE TALKED ABOUT THE NUMBER 75, BUT THAT'S OKAY, WE'LL LET THAT GO FOR NOW.
BUT YOU PROVIDE NO RECREATION ON THE PROPERTY AT ALL.
UM, A GRASS GATHERING AREA, I GUESS THAT'S RECREATION.
BUT WHY NOT JUST GO WITH ALL AGE TARGETED HOUSING, PUT A POOL AND A CLUBHOUSE ON IT AND DO WHAT SO MANY SUCCESSFUL COMMUNITIES HAVE ALREADY DONE.
AND IF YOU WENT WITH THAT PRODUCT, I FIGURED YOU WOULD BE DROPPING ABOUT 10 UNITS OR GET YOU BELOW A HUNDRED.
THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, I, I, I COULD REALLY GIVE YOU ON, BUT YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT, WE, WE JUST APPROVED 585 TOWN HOME UNITS OVER HERE AT THE, THE OLD PARKHOUSE PROPERTY.
WE GOT ANOTHER 120 HERE SOUTH OF THE CAMPUS AND WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE NUMBERS IN OUR UNITS SCHOOL DISTRICT ALL AT ONCE.
AND I, I KNOW I DO NOT BUY THAT THE TOWN HOMES ARE NOT GOING TO ATTRACT FAMILIES WITH KIDS.
I MEAN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOUNG FAMILIES ARE LOOKING FOR AFFORD AND I'M NOT SURE THIS IS, THIS IS MORE AFFORDABLE, BUT, SO JUST SOME THOUGHTS.
UH, LIKE I SAID, UH, NO RECREATION IS A BIG CONCERN TO ME REGARDLESS OF THE HOUSING MIX AND IF YOU'RE GONNA MIX, UH, AGE TARGETED WITH THE OWNER FOLKS THAT MAYBE NEED A POOL AND A PLAYGROUND.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE SOME THINGS TO THINK ABOUT.
AND THE NUMBER I THINK IS STILL TOO HIGH FOR THIS PIECE PROPERTY.
YEAH, I APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE FEEDBACK AND THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE, WE DID LOOK AT, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THIS PARTICULAR, WE'LL START WITH THE FLOOR PLANS, UM, AND OUR COMMUNITIES WHERE WE HAVE THE STACK TOWN HOMES.
UM, AND WE, WE LIKE THAT HERE BECAUSE IT ADDRESSED FOR US THE CONCERN OF AFFORDABILITY.
UM, AND ALSO THE DEMOGRAPHICS, UM, AS WELL AS HAVING A MINIMAL IMPACT IN OUR VIEW TO SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN.
UM, THIS USUALLY WORKS BEST IN COMMUNITIES THAT ARE WALKABLE OR IN CONVENIENCE LOCATIONS.
UM, HERE WITH THE PROXIMITY TO THE TOWN CENTER AND COMMUTER ROUTE, UM, WE FELT THIS PARTICULAR PRODUCT WOULD PLAY REALLY WELL IN THIS LOCATION.
UM, ONE OF THE OTHER ITEMS THAT WE WERE SENSITIVE TO, UM, JEFF, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE FOR ME PLEASE, WAS THE, UM, IMPERVIOUS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TALKED TO TO STAFF ABOUT, UM, WAY BACK WHEN WE BROUGHT OUR FIRST PLAN IN.
SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO LIMIT THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE TO THOSE AREAS THAT HAD ALREADY HAD IMPERVIOUS ON THEM OR KEEP THAT IMPERVIOUS NUMBER AT OR BELOW, UH, WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE.
UH, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE WORKING WITH THE FOOT FOOTPRINT THAT WE HAVE.
UM, SO THAT WAS, THAT KIND OF LED TO THE, THE LAYOUT THAT WE HAVE HERE.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE, YOU KNOW, GOING PURELY ACTIVE ADULT, UH, WE LOOKED AT THAT FOR US TO DO THE DEMO ON THIS PROPERTY AND REDEVELOP IT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T FEEL THAT THE ECONOMICS WOULD WORK FOR US IN A, A LOWER DENSITY OR WITH PURELY ACTIVE ADULT PRODUCT.
UH, WHEN WE ADDED THOSE ACTIVE OR AGE TARGETED PRODUCT AROUND THE PERIMETER THERE, THAT'S A WIDER PRODUCT.
SO WE HAD TO NATURALLY REDUCE THE NUMBER OF TWO STORY TOWNS THAT WE HAD WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEN GOING, UH, IN ORDER TO KIND OF GET US BACK TO WHERE WE NEEDED TO BE, UM, FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT, UM, WE ADDED THE STACK TOWNS BACK INTO GET OUR DENSITY BACK UP TO YOUR, TO YOUR POINT.
UM, LASTLY, IN TERMS OF AMENITIES,
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UM, AGAIN, WITH THE WALKABILITY OF THIS COMMUNITY, THE LOCATION, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T FEEL THAT A AMENITY IS NE IS NECESSARY FOR, UH, THIS TYPE OF COMMUNITY.WE'VE GOT OTHER ARE VERY SIMILAR THERE HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL WITH A SIMILAR MIX, UH, WITHOUT HAVING A CLUBHOUSE, UH, POOL, THOSE THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, AND I CAN ALSO SPEAK TO THE FACT THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THOSE TYPES OF AMENITIES, YOU NEED A CRITICAL MASS IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THEM.
AND WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT HERE WITH THE, WITH THE NUMBER OF HOMES.
I MEAN, I, I'M KIND OF, UM, DIFFERENT THOUGHT THAN, UM, MR. STERLING.
I, I LIKE THE MORE AFFORDABLE OPTION, UM, ESPECIALLY IN THIS LOCATION.
UM, SO I I I FEEL LIKE THERE'S STILL KIND OF EXPENSIVE FOR WHAT YOU GET, UM, BUT DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY POSSIBLE TO ABILITY TO LIKE GO DOWN IN PRICE BECAUSE I THINK LIKE UPPER FOUR HUNDREDS IS STILL EXPENSIVE FOR SOMEONE WHO'S, YOU KNOW, JUST STARTING OUT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AN OPTION, UM, IF THEY'RE GOING TO GO THAT WAY.
BUT IF YOU DO THE MATH, THE, THE FIRST ONES THEY SHOWED WERE OVER $300 A SQUARE FOOT WHERE THE ONES ON THE PERIMETER ARE MORE LIKE AROUND 2 25, WHICH I WOULD SAY THE GOING RATE THIS AREA IS PROBABLY ABOUT 200 A SQUARE FOOT.
SO THAT, SO YOU'RE RIGHT THAT HIGH DENSITY IS
UM, AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE PRICES WE WOULD PROJECTED FOR COMING TO MARKET TODAY.
THINGS OBVIOUSLY CAN FLUCTUATE IN THE MARKET WITH INTEREST RATES, COSTS, ALL THE OTHER FACTORS THAT, UM, THAT COME INTO PLAY.
UH, BUT THAT'S BASED ON WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN OTHER SIMILAR COMMUNITIES.
WE SOLD THESE RECENTLY AT STEEL POINT AND PHOENIXVILLE, UM, GOING BACK A YEAR OR TWO.
UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY SELLING THEM, UH, AT RIVER POINT.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE GETTING READY TO BRING 'EM TO MARKET A FEW OTHER COMMUNITIES AS WELL IN THE AREA.
WE JUST FINISHED OUR COMP PLAN.
BUT WHAT'S THE RANGE OF HOME PRICES FOR THE, I MEAN THESE ARE STARTING AT 400 GRAND, RIGHT? AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS THAT TRULY TODAY'S BOTTOM PRICE OF THE DOUBLING IN THIS AREA.
OUR MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME OR MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD PRICE FROM THE LAST 10 YEARS TO IS, IS AROUND 585 TO 600,000.
SO IT'S DEFINITELY COMING IN BELOW OUR TYPICAL MARKET.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT THE WIDER MARKET HAS NOWADAYS.
I MEAN, I I, I GUESS I'M KIND OF WITH KELLY ON THIS IS I'D LIKE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE, OF THE, OF THE HOMES, RIGHT? WE, WE HAVE PARK HOUSE WITH DENSITY HERE.
A LOT OF LAND AROUND THIS TOO.
WE JUST TALKED ABOUT REDEVELOPING IS GONNA BE A BIG PIECE.
IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW KIND OF THE, THE DISTRIBUTION OF OUR HOUSING.
WELL I, I CAN, I CAN PUT TOGETHER A MAP THAT, THAT SHOWS GENERAL HOUSE VALUE AND GENERAL HOUSE COSTS ON THE BEL CURVE.
WHAT'S THE MOST EXPENSIVE, WHAT'S THE LEAST EXPENSIVE AND WHERE'S, YOU KNOW, YEAH, I, I CAN PUT TOGETHER THAT INFORMATION BAR CHART OR SOMETHING THAT IT'LL HELP US KIND OF WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE DOING THIS TO SAY, ARE WE, ARE WE PUTTING TOO MANY OF THESE IN? I'M WITH KELLY, WE GOTTA PUT MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN HERE, BUT ARE WE PUTTING TOO MANY? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE IS GONNA BRING, RIGHT? SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CHALLENGE THIS, THIS DEVELOPMENT 'CAUSE IT'S JUST, IT'S AN ISOLATED AREA.
IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT TO SIT IN THIS CHAIR AND SAY, HEY, YEAH, SURE THIS LOOKS GOOD, BUT THEN THERE COULD BE FOUR MORE OF THESE POPPING UP.
AND THEN ARE WE, ARE WE EXCEEDING WHAT WE WANT WHEN IT COMES TO DENSITY? WE SIT UP HERE AND WE CHALLENGE DENSITY, BUT IT'S HOW DO WE USE FACT TO CHALLENGE? I I THINK THAT SPORT SITS IN A VERY GOOD POSITION RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE PROVIDE THE AMOUNT OF HOUSING AND THE TYPE OF HOUSING THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE ACCORDING TO THE HOUSING PLAN AND THE RESEARCH WE DID IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO WHILE IT DOES MAKE IT SOMEWHAT DIFFICULT TO SAY, WELL, OKAY, THIS ONE'S GOOD, BUT THAT ONE'S BAD.
THIS, THIS PUTS YOU SORT OF IN A UNIQUE POSITION TO SAY, LET'S STEP BACK FROM A LITTLE BIT, LET'S LOOK AT THAT KIND OF CHART THAT YOU'RE ASKING ME TO PUT TOGETHER.
THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT I CAN PUT TOGETHER AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE THEN DRIVEN.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE DEVELOPER MONEY.
IT'S GONNA BE MY RESEARCH INTO IT AND I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH HOW I COME UP WITH THOSE NUMBERS AND HOPEFULLY THAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT BETTER SENSE OF IT.
AGAIN, IT'S ONLY A POINT IN TIME AND IT'S ONLY A, A QUICK PICTURE BECAUSE HOUSING VALUE CHANGES.
I MEAN, IF YOU LOOKED AT IT PRE COVID TO NOW THE VALUE OF THE HOUSING HAS GONE THROUGH THE ROOF.
SO, YOU KNOW, I WILL GET THAT AND WE CAN LOOK AT THE NUMBERS WE PROVIDE AND THE HOUSING THAT WE, WE CERTAINLY HAVE PROJECTED OVER OR THIS, THE HOUSING THAT WE HAVE BUILT IN TERMS OF PURE COST AND WHERE THAT SITS IN THE TOWNSHIP.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A VERY INTERESTING MAP TO MAKE.
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BE INTERESTING, AGAIN, THE DISTRIBUTION OF MM-HMM.WE JUST FINISHED THE PLAN, WHAT WOULD GO IN THESE AREAS? SO WHAT'S THE TOLERANCE OF, SO I HAVE IN MY HEAD, OH, OKAY, WELL WE'RE GOOD FOR ANOTHER THOUSAND OF THIS TIGHT HOME.
OKAY, WELL HERE'S 10% OF 'EM, RIGHT? SO I, IT'S HARD TO, IT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND IF I'M, YOU KNOW, THE LONG TERM DECISION MAKING PROCESS.
BUT I THINK THAT'D BE HELPFUL.
YES, I WOULD PUT TOGETHER A MAP SHOWING WHERE THEY ARE AND BELL CURVE, LIKE YOU ASKED, I THINK THE BELL CURVE IS, IS PROBABLY NOT A CURVE.
IT'S PROBABLY A LINE LINE CHART IN THE, IN THE COMBINE NOW SHOWING WHAT THE HOUSING VALUES, WHAT THE DIFFERENT HOUSING VALUES ARE, WHAT WE MIGHT WANT IT TO BE.
WE MIGHT TO HAVE AN EQUAL DISTRIBUTION.
RIGHT? SO I'LL PUT THOSE TOGETHER FOR YOU.
WE COULD HAVE A BIG LOADED FRONT END, YOU KNOW, I COULD PUT THAT TOGETHER IN A, A MEMO FOR YOU.
ONE OF THE SOLID CONCLUSIONS IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS THAT THE FASTEST GROWING AGE OF THE TOWNSHIP WERE 50 TO 60 YEAR OLDS.
RIGHT? THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE LARGEST AGE GROUP I FASTEST.
WELL, IT WAS GENERALLY THE FASTEST GROWING.
I MEAN, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S THE TYPE OF HOUSING WE HAVE IN THE TOWNSHIP THAT THEY'VE LIVED HERE FOR THE, THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT THEY HAVE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF FOLKS SITTING IN, IN, IN LARGE TWO STORY HOMES IN THIS TOWNSHIP.
THEIR KIDS ARE, HAVE, HAVE GROWN AND GONE, AND THEY'RE READY TO, TO MOVE INTO, YOU KNOW, LACK ADULT COMMUNITIES AND FREE THOSE HOMES UP FOR YOUNG FAMILIES, YOU KNOW, THAT WANT TO HAVE AN ACRE, FOUR ACRE OR FOUR ACRE TO LIVE ON MY HOUSE.
WELL, WHY THEY CAN'T AND PEOPLE AREN'T MOVING TO THE TOWNSHIP BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TOWNSHIPS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE THE PRICES DOWN.
I HAVE, I'M GONNA GET INTO THAT DISCUSSION BECAUSE I DUNNO HOW TO DO OKAY.
ING AND I, BELIEVE ME, THESE FOLKS ARE NOT GONNA LOOKING TO DRIVE A PRICE DOWN EITHER.
BUT AS FAR AS WE, WE DON'T HAVE TO.
THIS IS THERE, THIS REQUIRES A ZONING CHANGE, WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE TO MAKE A ZONED, UH, OFFICE RIGHT NOW.
AND THERE IS AN OFFICE BUILDING SITTING ON THE PROPERTY.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, A CONCLUSION THAT NOBODY'S GONNA COME AND LEASE IT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO GRANT THAT ANY ZONING CHANGE HERE.
WELL, AND THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION RIGHT NOW.
THE QUESTION IS, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THE IDEA OF CHANGING THE ZONING, I'M NOT SAYING CHANGE THE ZONING, ENTERTAIN THE IDEA OF CHANGING THE ZONING.
IF YOU'RE DIRECTING ME AS STAFF AND THE ENGINEERS AND THE OTHER CONSULTANTS ON YOUR STAFF TO WORK WITH THEM TO COME UP WITH SOME ZONING BASED ON YOUR INFORMATION, BASED ON YOUR COMMENTS TONIGHT, BASED ON THE INFORMATION YOU WANT ME TO PULL TOGETHER, BASED ON WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE MOVING IT FORWARD TO A, MAYBE AT SOME POINT LOOKING AT A ZONING CHANGE.
AND IF YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, THEY PREFER THAT YOU SAY THAT NOW, BECAUSE THAT SAVES THEM A BUNCH OF MONEY.
AND IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, IF'S NOT LOCKING YOU INTO ANYTHING, IT'S JUST SAYING SURE.
LET'S EXPLORE THAT OPTION A LITTLE BIT AND SEE WHERE WE GO.
I PERSONALLY, LIKE HERE, I THINK TOWN'S WORK BECAUSE OF WHERE THEY ARE AND SO I'M COMFORTABLE WITH IT, BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY LIKE THIS PLAN.
SO FOR ALL THE REASONS WE DISCUSSED, IF YOU GET THAT GRAPH OR OUR CHART OR WE CAN SEE WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE NEED TO TOUCH, THAT MAY BE HELPFUL.
I I DON'T WANT IT TO SIT AS JUST AN EMPTY BUILDING THAT'S GONNA JUST DETERIORATE OVER TIME.
MAKE USE OF THE LAND OR WHAT'S THE RIGHT USE YOU, I CAN'T CHALLENGE THIS WITHOUT HAVING THAT BETTER, THAT BIGGER, THAT BIGGER PICTURE CONTEXT I GUESS WOULD BE HELPFUL.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THANK YOU.
I MEAN, WE DISCUSSED KEEPING THE DENSITY AROUND THE 22.
IT'S HEADING IN THAT DIRECTION, BUT, OKAY.
OKAY, SO NEXT UP WE HAVE, UM, CONSIDERING ADOPTING RESOLUTION 20 24 38, UM, AUTHORIZING THE MISSION OF THE DEPARTMENT OF THE COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC CHAIR GRANT.
UM, TIM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN? YEAH, WE'RE WORKING ON OUR NEXT GRAMMAR ON THE NEXT ROUND FOR LSA PROJECTS IS AT THE END OF NOVEMBER AND I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH DELTA, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY HIT, I DON'T THINK WE ANNOUNCED THIS SINCE OUR LAST MEETING.
WE DID GET A, AN, AN AWARD FROM THE RACP PROGRAM FOR $1.5 MILLION FOR OUR PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.
AS YOU KNOW, $1.5 MILLION WON'T COVER THE COST OF A, OF AN $11 BILLION PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY SUPER.
WE'RE STILL PURSUING OTHER RELATED GRANTS, UH, TO AUGMENT THE RACP GRANT AND THIS ONE WOULD BE FOR AN LSA GRANT FOR THAT WOULD GO TOWARD THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PUBLIC WORKS CAMPUS.
AND THIS RESOLUTION IS REQUIRED FOR US TO SUBMIT WITH THE APPLICATION, UH, WITH THE APPLICATION PACKAGE.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE, UH, A MAXIMUM AMOUNT
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OF ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS FOR THIS.I MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 38 AUTHORIZING THE SUBMISSION OF THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC LOCAL SHARE GRANT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION FOR THE PROPOSED REPUBLIC WORKS CAMPUS.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NO AYES HAVE IT.
UH, NEXT STEP IS ANOTHER RESOLUTION, UM, FOR SUBMISSION OF A MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION GRANT.
UM, TIM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN? YEAH.
UH, THIS IS ROUND TWO JUST SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION.
WE DID GET AWARDED THE, THE, UH, A, UH, A, UM, THE, THE
THIS IS A, UH, ROUND TWO FOR THE BLACKROCK ROAD AT THE SAME PROJECT.
AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UM, ADDITIONAL GRANT MONIES TO BE PUT WITH THE GRANT POOL, UH, SO THAT WE CAN, UM, PUT THAT WITH PENDO 10 MONEY MONIES AND ACTO NINE MONIES.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE, THE PIE, UH, SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON THE, UM, THE BLACK ROCK ROAD AND ONE 13 BRIDGE PROJECT.
BUT KNOW CASEY'S BEEN TALKING WITH PENDO OFFICIALS AND ON THE SCOPING, SO THAT'S MAKING, MAKING PROGRESS, BUT WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SECOND ROUND.
AND THAT RESOLUTION WILL IS DUE SHORTLY.
AND IS THAT AMOUNT FOR AN ADDITIONAL 3 MILLION OR, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S FOR THE, UH, GOING FOR THE MAXIMUM, GOING FOR THE MAXIMUM $3 MILLION.
I DON'T WANT TO GET PEOPLE'S HOPES UP.
WE, UH, THE $3 MILLION THAT WE GOT LAST TIME WAS, WAS THE HIGHEST AWARD IN THE STATE, SO I DON'T KNOW.
I'LL BE HAPPY WITH ANYTHING WITHIN THAT RANGE IN THIS CLASS.
UM, I HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 39 AUTHORIZING THE SUBMISSION OF A MALTING MOTOR TRANSPORTATION GRANT FOR THE BLACKROCK ROAD AND MOUNT AND ROUTE ONE 13 BREEZE BRIDGE REHABILITATION PROJECT ROUND 2 20 24.
UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AND THEN NUMBER EIGHT, UM, ANOTHER RESOLUTION 20 24 40.
UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THIS ONE IS? YEAH, THIS IS A, A RE THIS IS A, UH, AN AMENDMENT, I GUESS IT'S A REPEAL OF A PRIOR RESOLUTION AND, UH, TO REFLECT SOME NEW NUMBERS THAT WE GOT FROM OUR ACTUARY.
FOUR R THREE, UH, UH, THREE, UH, DEFINED BENEFIT PENSION PLANS.
THIS IS ADMINISTERED BY MALCOLM HOFF AND WE'VE GOT SOME FINAL NUMBERS.
UH, THE POLICE, JOE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THE POLICE NUMBER IS 6 7 6 75 4 72.
THE FIRE NUMBER IS 63,000 4 0 7 AND THE NON-UNIFORM IS 1 78.
5 0 5 ARE, THERE ARE THE REVISED AMOUNTS THAT WE GOT FROM OKEN HOP AND UH, THIS REF WILL REFLECT THE ACTUAL PENSION DOLLARS FOR THE 2025 BUDGET.
IS THAT AN INCREASE OVER WHAT WE WERE ORIGINALLY GOT? YES.
IT'S AN INCREASE OF, I THINK THE POLICE STAYED THE SAME.
FIRE, FIRE WENT FROM 57 1 55 TO 63 4 0 7.
NON-UNIFORM WENT FROM 1 46, 3 71 TO 1 78 5 0 5.
CAN I ASK MORE QUESTION? I'M SORRY.
UM, SO WE ARE ACTUALLY TAKING AWAY THE ONE THAT WE APPROVED PRIOR AND THEN WE ARE SAYING YES TO THE ADDITIONAL YEAH.
THE RESOLUTION THAT WE PASSED ON SEPTEMBER 30TH HAD THE NUMBER THAT WE THOUGHT THAT WE GOT FROM
THEY TOLD US SINCE THEY SINCE GOT BACK TO, UH, TO, UM, JOE AND SAID THAT REVISED CALCULATIONS, THEIR ORIGINAL CALCULATIONS WERE NOT CORRECT AND THEY, THEY CORRECTED THESE AND THE THE NUMBERS ARE THE NEW ACTUARIAL NUMBERS, SO.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING BOTH IN THE SAME MOTION.
UH, THE, THE RESOLUTION OFFICIALLY REVOKED 24 30 20 24 30 AND BY ADOPTING 24 40, YOU WOULD BE ALSO REVOKING JUST DOING BOTH.
THAT'S, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE.
CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? WERE, WERE THEY REVISED BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE IN THE MARKET, UH, PREDICTION OR A CHANGE IN YOU CAN TAKE CALCULATION.
THEY WERE GONNA HAVE TO GO UP TO THE MIC.
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THEY WERE, UM, THEY WERE GIVEN TO US BY MOCKING HOP, OUR ACTUARY, AND THEY CAME BACK AND SAID THAT THEY DIDN'T PUT IN THE SERVICE FEES, WHICH CHANGED THE WHOLE ENTIRE, AND HONESTLY, LIKE I'VE BEEN IN MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT FOR A LONG TIME AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IT'S EVER HAPPENED THAT I'VE SEEN SO CAN BLAME IT ON LABOR SHORTAGE OR, OR WHATEVER IT IS.BUT, UM, I WASN'T HAPPY ABOUT IT, BELIEVE ME.
AND I, I, BUT I JUST WANT TO KNOW BECAUSE THEY, THEY GAVE US A REALLY ROSY PICTURE OF THE MARKET AND THEY EVEN TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, US EVENTUALLY GETTING TO THAT WAS A PIPE DREAM, BUT OKAY.
WAIT, SO THEY'RE SAYING THAT THE SERVICE FEES, THAT'S A HUGE JUMP FROM ONE 50 SEVENTY'S, CORRECT? YES.
UM, AS FAR AS I KNOW, I CAN GO BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK EXACTLY.
LIKE, BUT I, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE THAT THEY MADE.
AND THEY, THEY SENT US THE ORIGINAL NUMBERS.
WE PASSED THE, OR, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, RESOLUTION AT THAT TIME.
AND THEN THEY CAME BACK AND THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU, WE DIDN'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT NUMBERS.
AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE.
SO, UM, I CAN, I CAN GET YOU, AS FAR AS I KNOW, IT'S, IT IS A SERVICE FEES AND THAT MADE THE DIFFERENCE.
THE POLICE, THE POLICE WERE, THE POLICE ARE, UM, THEIR ACTUARY IS A SEPARATE COMPANY.
THAT'S WHY THAT NUMBER DIDN'T CHANGE JOE.
I THINK SOMEBODY FROM
ARE YOU GONNA PASS THIS TODAY OR DO THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S THERE ALREADY SO WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, DOING, IT'S JUST CAN WE GO OFF ON VOTING ON THIS UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING? UM, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD, LIKE WE HAVE TO PASS THE BUDGET BY DECEMBER.
THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT MEETING.
WHY DON'T WE JUST DO IT AS PART OF THE BUDGET PRESENTATION ON DECEMBER 2ND.
YEAH, WE'LL HAVE IT, UH, WE'LL HAVE A BETTER EXPLANATION FOR YOU.
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND WE'RE GONNA HOLD ON THE MOTION FOR, UM, FOR NUMBER EIGHT UNTIL THE DECEMBER MEETING.
[MANAGER AND DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS]
UM, ANY MANAGER OR DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS? WHAT'S THAT? ANY MANAGER OR DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS? NO.JOE AND I, JOE AND I ARE WORKING ON THE PITS AND TAKES OF WHICH THIS MID MEMO IS ONE OF THE PITS AND TAKES, BUT WE'VE ALSO HAD SOME SAVINGS, UH, AND WE SHOULD BE FINALIZING THE PITS AND TAKES CHART THE NEXT FEW DAYS.
AND I'M WORKING ON THE FINAL TRANSMITTAL LETTER, SO HOPE TO GET THIS OUT BEFORE THE HOLIDAYS.
THE HOLIDAY BEING THANKSGIVING
[CONSULTANT REPORTS]
UH, CONSULTANT REPORTS, UH, GILMORE ASSOCIATION WILL GIVE AN UPDATE ON ENGINEERINGUM, THE GREENWOOD AVENUE SAN SEWER PROJECT IS COMPLETE, UM, COMPLETE FOR WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IN THE FIELD.
WE'RE STILL DOING, UM, CLOSE OUT PAPERWORK AND THERE'S A GRANT FOR THAT PROJECT ALSO, SO WE HAVE TO CLOSE OUT AND GET THE MONEY.
UH, NEXT UP WE HAVE, UM, APPROVING THE MONTHLY DEVELOPMENT IMPROVEMENT, UH, GUARANTEE REDUCTION LIST.
UM, BILL, I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION.
OH, THIS IS WHERE I MAKE MY MONEY.
ALL RIGHT,
ITEM A RIDGEWOOD PHASE TWO A, RELEASE NUMBER 19 IN THE AMOUNT OF $17,708 AND 15 CENTS.
ITEM B, RIDGEWOOD PHASE TWO B, RELEASE NUMBER 11 IN THE AMOUNT OF $9,685 AND 25 CENTS.
ITEM C, RIDGEWOOD PHASE TWO C, RELEASE NUMBER NINE IN THE AMOUNT OF $56,661 AND 90 CENTS.
ITEM D, WHITE SPRINGS FARM PHASE ONE NORTH RELEASE NUMBER SIX IN THE AMOUNT OF $62,857 AND 56 CENTS.
ITEM E WHITE SPRINGS FARM PHASE TWO NORTH RELEASE NUMBER FIVE IN THE AMOUNT OF $53,433
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AND 38 CENTS.AND ITEM FY RANT, UH, AT 4 29 SOUTH LOUIS ROAD RELEASE NUMBER FIVE IN THE AMOUNT OF $88,714 AND 6 CENTS.
ALL OF OPPOSED? UH, MOTION CARRIES ANY SOLICITOR REPORT? UH, NO REPORT.
UM, ANY SUPERVISOR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT, I'LL
[UPCOMING EVENTS]
READ THE UPCOMING EVENTS.THE BOARD SUPERVISOR MEETING SCHEDULE OF DECEMBER 2ND AT 7:00 PM IS THE 2025 BUDGET ADOPTION.
UM, PARKHOUSE IS TENTATIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT DECEMBER 9TH AT 7:00 PM IF WE NEED TO CONTINUE ON FOR THE 2025 BUDGET ADOPTION.
AND THEN JANUARY 6TH, 2025, SEVEN IS OUR REORG MEETING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SCHEDULE.
UM, I BELIEVE PARKHOUSE IS ON THE AGENDA FOR WEDNESDAY.
UM, AND THEN DECEMBER 4TH I SEVEN IS THE ALEXANDER MINOR SUBDIVISION, 3 6 2 GREENWOOD AVE AND HIGH MULTIFAMILY, UM, SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD.
THE EAC MEETING SCHEDULE IS JOINT WITH THE PARKS AND REC, UM, DECEMBER 11TH AT 6:00 PM UM, THAT AND THEN, UM, MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 5TH AT 7:00 PM AND THE ZONING BOARD, UH, MEETING SCHEDULE DECEMBER 10TH AT 7:00 PM APPLICATION 24 0 6 1 0 1 MEADOW GREEN DRIVE FOR OFFENSE.
AND THEN APPLICATION 24 0 7 3 1 6 THIRD AVENUE FOR A SETBACK.
UM, I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN.