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NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND HOW HE KNOWS THAT, BUT,[CALL TO ORDER / MOTION TO APPROVE NOVEMBER 6, 2024 AGENDA]
OKAY.THE, UH, NOVEMBER 6TH, CAN YOU BELIEVE? NOVEMBER 6TH, UM, UH, MEETING OF THE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, WE'VE GOT PRETTY, UH, IN CASE YOU DIDN'T KNOW EVERYBODY READ THAT OUR, OUR ONE APPLICANT HAS PULLED OFF FOR THIS EVENING.
SO, UH, WE REALLY HAVE NO, NOTHING ON THE AGENDA.
AND, UH, AND SO, UH, THE FIRST THING WE GOTTA DO IS NO PUBLIC COMMENTS AND WE'LL JUST MOVE DONE, IS THAT WE GOTTA PLEASE HAVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
I THAT MOTION TO, WE APPROVE THE AGENDA AS WRITTEN.
SO THE AGENDA IS WHAT IT IS, WHICH IS THE, UM, UH, APPROVING THE MINUTES, AND THEN THIS HOPWOOD HOMES LETTER REQUEST A LETTER OF CONSISTENCY FROM MULTI-MODEL RAN APPLICATION.
AND SOMEBODY'S GONNA HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHAT THAT IS.
[GENERAL DISCUSSION ITEMS]
UH, SO IN YOUR PACKET, JEFF HAS, UH, UH, KINDLY PUT THE MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 2ND AND THE 16TH.AND, UM, I MADE A MISTAKE WHEN I PUT THE PACKET TOGETHER AND GRABBED THE MINUTES BEFORE MY ZONING CLERK HAD HAD FINISHED THEM.
SO WE HAVE A FEW CHANGES AND I CAN GO THROUGH THEM, OR IF YOU JUST TRUST ME, I CAN, I CAN MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
YOU KNOW, A SPELLING, A NAME IS MISSPELLED.
THERE'S SOME, UH, THERE, THERE ARE A COUPLE SENTENCES THAT WERE REWORDED AND CONSOLIDATED.
UM, A FRAGMENT OF A SENTENCE WAS, WAS ON THERE ON PAGE TWO.
THIS IS ON THE OCTOBER 16TH AGENDA.
SHE REMOVED A SENTENCE, CONSOLIDATED SOME PARAGRAPHS TO JUST TIGHTEN SOME THINGS UP.
NOTHING THAT I HAVE, I'VE READ IT.
NOTHING THAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, IT MAKES SENSE.
AND THEN ANTHONY ALSO POINTED OUT THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A CHANGE, AND I PULLED THIS ONE UP.
YOU ACTUALLY HAVE IT SITTING IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT, UM, HE WANTS TO ADD THIS TO THE MINUTES FOR, UH, THE OCTOBER 2ND MEETING.
SO IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH MAKING THESE CHANGES, THESE TWO MINUTES IN YOUR MOTION.
UM, SO, SO WHAT WE GOT IS A MOTION TO ACCEPT ANTHONY'S CHANGES AND TO ACCEPT THAT JEFF HAS, UH, FIXED THE, UH, MINUTES FROM UH, OCTOBER 2ND, RIGHT? YES.
IF EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THAT, THEN I'LL TAKE IF ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 2ND AND OCTOBER 16TH.
SO WE GOT A MOTION FROM JOE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR SECOND AND 16TH.
DO I HAVE SECOND? I SECOND THAT MOTION, JERRY.
ALL RIGHT, JOE, THAT MOVES US DOWN TO, UM, I'LL PUT HOLMES LETTER REQUEST LETTER C FOR MULTIMODAL GRANT APPLICATION.
WE, WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE THIS BEFORE.
THEY'RE ASKING FOR JUST A LETTER SAYING, AND THEN THE LETTER SAYS, THE PROPOSED PROJECT INCLUDES REALIGNMENT WIDENING OF HOPWOOD ROAD, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 10 FOOT WIDE MULTI-USE TRAIL REPLACEMENT OF CULVERT, INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALKS.
UM, BASICALLY SAYING THAT THIS PROJECT ALIGNS WITH OUR GOALS OF IMPROVING TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE AND FOSTERING A CONNECTED AND RESILIENT COMMUNITY.
IT'S A LETTER THAT GOES TO THE STATE GRANT EVALUATORS FOR THE MULTIMODAL GRANT PROGRAM.
UM, SO, SO, SO IF WE APPROVE THIS AND SIGNING AND ALL THAT, THEN THEY CAN APPLY FOR THIS GRANT.
I CAN'T SAY I'M NOT SURE THEY'RE GONNA GET IT, BUT THEY, THIS IS PART OF THE INFORMATION WE ARE OKAY.
AND, AND THIS IS WHAT WE'VE APPROVED ON THE PLANS ALREADY.
WHY WOULDN'T WE WANT THEM TO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ABSOLUTELY, IN MY OPINION, DO YEAH.
UM, IT IS JUST, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A FORMAL LETTER AND IT HAS TO COME FROM TOM.
SO I NEED THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO VOTE THAT IT'S OKAY TO HAVE TOM SIGN THIS LETTER.
HAVE YOU SEEN THAT LETTER? YOU GOT COPY.
AND, AND IF THE GRANT ISN'T APPROVED, THEY'RE STILL LIABLE TO PAY FOR THAT.
AND THEN THIS LETTER DOES NOT COMMIT US TO HAVE ANY FINANCIAL STAKE IN THIS GRANT APPROVED OR UNAPPROVED.
ALL THIS DOES IS LET'S WHOEVER ISSUED THE GRANT KNOW THAT WE THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
THAT'S ALL, THAT'S OUR ONLY OBLIGATION.
SO IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? NO.
WELL JUST TO TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.
NORMALLY THE DEVELOPER PAYS FOR IT AND THERE'S NO QUESTIONS ASKED.
IN THIS CASE FOR THE GRANT, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
UM, ON THE OTHER HAND, MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE ON THE HIGH SIDE.
I MEAN, CONSIDERING IT 40 SOME COUNT HOMES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEY'RE REALLY MOVING THE ROAD AND MAKING SOME PRETTY HEAVY CHANGES.
TO THE ADVANTAGE OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND, AND WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THOSE, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
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CORRECT.SO THE ONLY QUESTION HERE IS, IS WHETHER THE DEVELOPER OR GETS ANY EXTRA GRANT MONEY TO OFFSET HIS EXPENSES TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND THERE'S NO GRANT THAT HE'S LIABLE FOR, TO PAY FOR ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING EITHER WAY IS WE, AS, AS JEFF SAID, YOU KNOW, IT COSTS THE TOWNSHIP NOTHING.
THE IMPROVEMENTS HAVE TO BE DONE.
WHO, WHO DOES ISSUE THAT MONEY? IS IT IT IS THE STATE, ACTUAL STATE.
IT'S PENNDOT AND, AND, AND THE STATE, THE COMMONWEALTH.
UM, YEAH, IT'S A PENNDOT MULTIMODAL GRANT.
SO IT, IT IS A PENNDOT PROGRAM.
AND, AND WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS THEY'RE TRYING TO GRANT STACK AND EVERYBODY TRIES TO DO THIS.
THEY'VE RECEIVED, THEY'VE ALREADY RECEIVED A GRANT FOR IMPROVEMENTS ON 29 FOR THE INTERSECTION FOR WIDENING IT FOR TRAILS ALONG 29.
AND, AND FOR, AS ASSOCIATED WITH THE, THE APARTMENTS WITH Y KEY STATION.
SO THEY'RE TRYING TO STACK THIS GRANT, AND PENDO LIKES TO DO THIS AS WELL.
THEY LIKE TO STACK THESE GRANTS.
'CAUSE IT, IT GIVES THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY AND REALLY PILES THE MONEY UP TO, TO GOOD PROJECTS THAT ARE, THAT CONNECT A LOT OF THINGS.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS PROJECT IS, IS LOOKING TO DO.
SO THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO GET SOME, SOME HELP.
EVERYBODY CUT THEIR COST A LITTLE.
SAY IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT IT, PERFECTLY RE GOOD.
I'LL TAKE A MOTION THEN TO APPROVE THIS LETTER THAT IS RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF US TO GO TO, UH, TO PENDOT AS OUR, UH, OUR CONSENSUS THAT WE ARE APPROVE THIS.
I'LL TAKE A MOTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SUPPORT THE GRANT FOR, I GUESS, SHOULD WE CALL IT RELOCATING THE ROAD? YEAH.
THE MULTIMODAL GRANT IS PROBABLY SUFFICIENT.
I'LL SECOND THAT AND JOE SECOND IT.
[DISCUSSION: FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]
SO MOVING DOWN THE AGENDA.AS WE SAID THIS, THIS IS MORE FOR THE RECORD THAN ANYTHING.
UM, LISA DEANDRE, THE ENGINEER FROM THE AMELIA STREET PROJECT, REACHED OUT TO MY OFFICE THIS MORNING.
SHE CALLED ME AROUND NINE O'CLOCK AND THEN SAID THAT SHE WAS NOT, SHE WAS UNDER THE WEATHER.
SHE HAD BEEN FIGHTING THE BUG FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND SHE WANTED, SHE FELT, AND HER CLIENT FELT THAT HER PARTICIPATION WOULD BE IMPACTED BY PRESENTING SICK AND IT, SHE NEEDED TO BE HERE TO PRESENT.
SO SHE ASKED TO BE PULLED OFF THE AGENDA.
I ASKED HER TO SEND ME AN EMAIL TO THAT EFFECT.
AND, AND YOU HAVE THAT EMAIL IN FRONT OF YOU.
SO, UM, AND LIKE I JUST ASKED YOU A COUPLE MINUTES AGO, AT THIS POINT, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WILL BE A 25 ISSUE.
BECAUSE OF THE NEXT SLIDE WE'RE ABOUT TO GO TO.
WE'RE PRETTY FILLED UP TILL THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO MOVING TO THAT, THE FUTURE AGENDA DISCUSSION AS WE REMEMBER FROM, HOPEFULLY REMEMBER FROM THE LAST MEETING AND AT THE END OF OCTOBER, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SECOND MEETING WITH PARKHOUSE.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR PROBABLY A RECOMMENDATION AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD.
UM, THE DECEMBER 4TH MEETING, WE WILL HAVE ALEXANDER MINOR SUBDIVISION THAT'S ON GREENWOOD AVENUE AND THERE'S A HIGH MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT THAT'S AT ROUTE, UH, 29 AND PERMAN BOULEVARD.
YOU'VE HAD THOSE PLANS FOR A WHILE.
UM, DEPENDING ON HOW, I THINK THE ALEXANDER MINER SUBDIVISIONS A FAIRLY CLEAN APPLICATION THAT SHOULD GO FAIRLY QUICK.
BUT THE HIGH MULTIFAMILY, AS WITH ANY MULTI-FAMILY IN THIS TOWNSHIP LATELY IS GONNA PROBABLY CREATE SOME BUZZ.
DID YOU SAY WE, WE WE'VE DEALT WITH THAT ONE BEFORE? NO, WE HAVE NOT.
THIS, THIS WILL BE OUR FIRST TIME.
IT'S IN, IN A PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
YOU SAID WE DID SEE IT THOUGH.
N NO PARKHOUSE WE SAW IS WHAT I SAW.
I THOUGHT YOU SENT OUT SOMETHING ON THAT.
YOU DID RECEIVE THE PLANS AS OF ANY OTHER APPLICATIONS? I DON'T REMEMBER.
CAN YOU GIMME, JUST GIVE US TWO MINUTES.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING APARTMENTS, YOU KNOW WHERE PER BOULEVARD IS AT? UM, 1 29 BEFORE YOU GET TO THE WAWA, AS YOU DRIVE UP 29 PAST WHERE YOUR KEY STATION IS, YOU'RE DRIVING TOWARDS COLLEGEVILLE.
THE NEXT LIGHT IS PER CUMAN BOULEVARD.
THE TOWNHOUSE COMMUNITY IS ON YOUR RIGHT.
HIGH REAL ESTATE AND AUDUBON LAND DEVELOPMENT HAVE JOINT IN A PARTNERSHIP AND THEY, OTTAWA LAND DEVELOPMENT ALREADY OWN MOST OF IT, BUT HIGH ACQUIRE A LARGE PIECE.
AND THEY'RE PUTTING TOGETHER A MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT FOR 400 SOME APARTMENTS.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER IN THERE AS PART OF THE
SO IT'S LIKE THE
SO THEY WILL BE HERE TALKING ABOUT THAT NEXT WEEK.
I, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THAT JIM? I MEAN AT, ON THE FOURTH? DECEMBER 4TH.
AND AND WHAT, WHAT, HOW ARE YOU LABELED THAT? IT, IT'S CALLED HIGH MULTIFAMILY.
I, ALRIGHT, LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT NO, I'M SORRY.
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DON'T REMEMBER.I KNOW YOU SAID IT GOES, I DON'T REMEMBER.
I UNDERSTAND IT IS BEEN A COUPLE WEEKS.
AND THEN DEPENDING ON HOW THAT MEETING GOES WITH, UM, WITH THE MULTIFAMILY, WITH HIGH MULTIFAMILY, WE MAY HAVE DECEMBER 18TH AS A SECONDARY MEETING LIKE WE DO AT PARKHOUSE, HAVE A SECOND MEETING TO LET PEOPLE ALSO TALK TO, LET THE APPLICANT COME BACK WITH SOME ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS FOR, FOR THAT.
YOU, FOR THAT, FOR, FOR THAT ONE.
IF NOT, I MEAN, IF FOR SOME REASON THEY WANT PUSH IT OFF TO, YOU KNOW, THEY COME IN ON DECEMBER AND THEY WANNA PUSH IT TO THE NEW YEAR AND I'M GONNA STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THAT THEY DO THAT.
THEY COME IN FOR THE FIRST MEETING, BUT WE SORT OF TABLE IT TILL JANUARY HOPEFULLY AND WE CAN CANCEL DECEMBER 18TH SO WE CAN HAVE CHRISTMAS BREAK.
HAVE YOU HEARD ANY, UH, PUSHBACK ON THAT HIGH MULTIFAMILY? I KNOW SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS, I, THE APPLICANT HAS MET WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS OR IS GOING TO MEET WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS.
I HAVE NOT BEEN INVOLVED IN ANY OF THAT.
I SORT OF GAVE HIGH MULTI-FAMILY, THE HOA CONNECTION FOR PER GI WOODS.
AND I CALLED THE GENTLEMAN AT PER KIM WOODS WHO I KNOW AND GAVE 'EM A HEADS UP.
THEY'VE TALKED, THAT'S UP TO THEM.
OUR JOB HERE IS TO ONLY LOOK AT THE PLANS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF US AND OBVIOUSLY EVALUATE IT AND, AND LOOK AT REACTION.
I'M JUST CONCERNED ARE WE GONNA HAVE A HIGH COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, ATTENDANCE, ATTENDANCE FOR THAT.
I, IT WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME, BUT I, I I I, I DON'T KNOW HOW CLOSE IS THAT TO THE, UH, THAT OFFICE COMPLEX THAT WAS GOING TO HAVE AN APARTMENT ABOVE IT OR SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY WHAT THEY'VE DONE, AND I WILL LET THEM EXPLAIN THIS BETTER.
THEY'VE TAKEN, THEY, THEY HAVE AN AGREEMENT OF SALE WITH THAT PROPERTY.
SO THAT PROPERTY IS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO IT'S GONNA BE MERGED INTO IT.
SO WHILE THAT PROCESS WAS GOING ON, GETTING THAT FINAL LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVED, I WAS AWARE THAT THEY WERE UNDER CONTRACT WITH HIGH, BUT THEY, THE DEVELOPER, MR. MCCAULEY WANTED TO MOVE THAT FORWARD.
SO HE GUARANTEED HIMSELF, IF FOR SOME REASON HIGH MULTIFAMILY WENT AWAY, HE STILL HAD HIS APPROVALS ON.
SO THIS IS GOING TO, THIS IS GONNA BE THE PERIPHERY OF WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED? NO, IT'S, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLANS, IT IS KIND OF RIGHT THERE AT PERM BOULEVARD.
AND, AND THE 1731, THAT WILL BE YES.
THAT'S, THAT'S ON THE EDGE OF IT.
AND YOUR KEYS, HOW MANY UNITS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE IN THERE IF THEY DO 225? THAT'S SIX, 600 UNITS RIGHT THERE.
LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT HOW MANY UNITS IT IS.
WELL, AND THEN THE EAC WILL MEET ON DECEMBER 11TH.
AND, UH, SO DO I HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON A SHORT MEET? WE DIDN'T BREAK THE RECORD, BUT WE DID.
THEN I'LL TAKE A, UH, A, A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
I'LL SEND, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION SO I ADJO A MOTION AND A SECOND.