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[CALL TO ORDER]
TO ORDER FOR THE UPPER PROVINCE TOWNSHIP BOARD SUPERVISORS REGULAR MEETING FOR, UH, MONDAY, OCTOBER 21ST.WHAT STANDS FOR? PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, STATES OF AMERICA.
AND FIRST ONE OFF IS A MOTION TO
[MOTION TO APPROVE BOARD AGENDA]
APPROVE THE BOARD AGENDA.I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE OCTOBER 23RD 24 LABOR MEETING AGENDA.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED MOTION FAIRS.
[SPECIAL PRESENTATION]
A SPECIAL PRESENTATION TONIGHT, UM, FROM CHIEF BRI.UM, WE, IF, IF I COULD, AND I DON'T THINK EVERYBODY'S HERE, BUT IF I COULD HAVE, UH, SEAN MURTHA, DON KELLY, JOSH KELLY, BROAD BELT, MATT LIGHT, AND THEN SCOTT MUSSMAN, COME UP, PLEASE.
SO IN 2007, THE DEVELOPMENT BOOM IN UPPER PROVIDENCE WAS WELL UNDERWAY.
AND AS THE POPULATION INCREASED, SO DID THE CALLS FOR SERVICE, WHICH PLACED AN INCREASED BURDEN ON OUR VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANIES.
SIMULTANEOUSLY, THE NUMBER OF VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANIES SIGNIFICANTLY, SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASED.
AS A RESULT, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FORMED THE DEPARTMENT OF FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES, OR THE DFES TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS DURING THE DAYTIME HOURS.
AT ITS INCEPTION, THE DFES WAS STAFFED BY THE TOWNSHIP FIRE MARSHAL AND THE TASK OF EMPLOYEES FROM PUBLIC WORKS CODE ENFORCEMENT AND ADMINISTRATION THROUGH WHAT WAS CALLED THEN THE TOWNSHIP EMPLOYEE RESPONDER PROGRAM.
THE EMPLOYEES WERE REQUIRED TO ATTEND COUNTLESS HOURS OF TRAINING THAT BECOME CERTIFIED AS FIREFIGHTERS, RESCUE TECHNICIANS, HAZARD MATERIALS OPERATORS, AND MANY MORE.
THEY ALSO ATTENDED BIWEEKLY IN-HOUSE TRAINING AND EVENING TRAINING SESSIONS WITH THE VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANIES.
THE PROGRAM PROVED AND VALUABLE AND SUPPORTED THE VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANIES.
THE TOWNSHIP PURCHASED THE FIRE ENGINE FOR THE D-F-E-E-S, WHICH WAS OPERATED AS ENGINE 93.
ENGINE 93 RESPONDED TO MANY CALLS DURING THE WEEKDAY AS BOTH SUPPLEMENTAL PERSONNEL AND SOMETIMES AS THE ONLY RESPONDING ENGINE.
DURING THIS TIME, ENGINE 93 WAS STAFFED AND OPERATED BY THE MEMBERS OF THE EMPLOYEE RESPONDERS PROGRAM.
SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE PROGRAM, SOME OF THE MEMBERS RESIGNED FROM THE TOWNSHIP, SOME RETIRED FROM THE TOWNSHIP, AND AS MORE FULL-TIME FIREFIGHTERS WERE HIRED, THERE WAS NOT A NEED TO REPLACE THE MEMBERS OF THE TOWNSHIP EMPLOYEE RESPONDENT PROGRAM.
TWO MEMBERS, THOUGH DON AND JOSH KELLY, REMAINED ACTIVE UNTIL THIS YEAR WHEN THEIR PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITIES IN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT DID NOT ALLOW THEM THE TIME TO COMMIT THE TRAINING AND RESPONSE REQUIREMENTS.
PUBLIC WORKS ARE OFTEN THE UNSUNG HEROES OF DETACHMENT.
UNBEKNOWNST TO THE PUBLIC, THEY'RE INVOLVED IN NEARLY EVERY MAJOR EMERGENCY AND PLANNED EVENT IN UPPER PROVINCE.
IN THE SAME WAY THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY RELIES ON PUBLIC WORKS TO KEEP EVERYTHING WORKING BY MAINTAINING ROADS, BUILDINGS, PARKS, THE SEWER SYSTEM IS SO MUCH MORE.
OUR DEPARTMENT WAS BUILT ON THE DEDICATION AND COMMITMENT OF OUR ORIGINAL MEMBERS.
TONIGHT, WE WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE AND THANK THE REMAINING TOWNSHIP EMPLOYEES WHO STARTED THE DEPARTMENT OF FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES.
WITHOUT THEM, WE WOULD NOT BE HERE WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
SO THEY ARE STANDING HERE WITH ME, JOSH KELLY, TOM BROAD BELT, DON KELLY AND MATT LEE.
SO WE ARE PRESENTING TO EACH OF THEM, UH, THIS PLAQUE.
SO THIS IS THE SHIELD THAT GOES ON THE FRONT OF OUR HELMETS, AND THEN OUR PATCH, WHICH IS THE DEPARTMENT OF FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES PATCH.
UM, AND THE, THE PLAQUE ON EACH OF THEM SAYS, UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP PROUDLY PRESENTS THIS PLAQUE OF APPRECIATION TO THEIR NAME FOR YOUR UNWAVERING DEDICATION, SERVICE, AND PROFESSIONALISM IN BUILDING THE DEPARTMENT OF FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICE.
FROM ITS INCEPTION, YOUR COMMITMENT TO THE TOWNSHIP LAID THE CORNERSTONE FOR LIABLE DELIVERY OF FIRE PROTECTION
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SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY.SO I'M, I'M VERY PROUD AND VERY HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO HAND TO PRESENT THIS PROGRAM TO STAND HERE FOR A PICTURE.
[PUBLIC COMMENT]
GONNA MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.UM, WE'LL HEAR ANY INTERESTED RESIDENT OR TAXPAYERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON AN ITEM ON OR NOT ON THE EVENING'S AGENDA.
UM, ANYONE WANNA COME UP AND MAKE A COMMENT? GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.
VICTORIA SCHWARTZ, 2 48 BAXTER DRIVE.
UM, THE, THE, UM, TOPIC OF DISCUSSION I'D LIKE TO HAVE TONIGHT IS ABOUT THE MONTCLAIR SCHOOL ON ONE 40 WHITAKER AVENUE.
BEFORE I START, UM, I'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY DISTRIBUTE SOMETHING.
PLEASE MESS THIS DOWN SO I CAN KEEP MY, WHAT I'M ACTUALLY SENDING OR GIVING TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU RIGHT NOW IS IT SAYS, MONTGOMERY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION'S LAND DEVELOPMENT AWARDS, 1986, PLANNING MERIT AWARD, OLD MONTCLAIR SCHOOL, UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP.
AND AS YOU GUYS CAN SEE, I DON'T NEED TO NECESSARILY READ IT TO YOU, BUT YOU CAN SEE IN 86 THAT THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING WAS AWARDED AN ACTUAL AWARD FOR THE FACT OF KEEPING THE INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IT STILL HAS AND MAINTAINED.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS UP ON, UM, THE TOPIC OF THE LEASE, THE 99 YEAR LEASE IN TERMS OF CONVERTING THAT LEASE, BASICALLY BREAKING IT AND MAKING IT INTO 60 HOMES, 60 TOWN HOMES ON THAT PARTICULAR ROAD.
WHAT I WILL STATE IS I HAVE A BIG, HUGE CONCERN FOR FLOODING IN THAT AREA AND ALSO TRAFFIC PATTERNS IN THAT AREA, IS THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY IN ESSENTIALLY AT BOTH ENDS.
SO IF YOU COME OFF OF WHITAKER OR NORWOOD AVENUE, IT'S ONE ROAD AND THEY WANNA BUILD 60 TOWN HOMES AND REMOVE A SCHOOL BUILDING THAT'S BEEN THERE SINCE 1936.
THAT BUILDING IS ABOUT WITH THE BUILDING ON IS 8.5 ACRES.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT TURN INTO SOME FORM OF A COMMUNITY CENTER LIKE WE HAVE IN ANDERSON PARK.
AND NOT TO MENTION IT WOULD ACTUALLY, OR DO SOMETHING BACK TO A SCHOOL THAT'S EVEN POSSIBLE, OR KEEP IT OPEN SPACE TO ADD 60 MORE TOWN HOMES AND TO PUT MORE RESIDENTS, OVERC CROWDS.
THE SCHOOLS AT OAKS ELEMENTARY PEOPLE HAVE NOWHERE TO PUT THEIR CHILDREN.
WE HAVE MANY NEW PEOPLE, MANY NEW MEMBERS TO THE COMMUNITY OF MONTCLAIR ITSELF.
NOW PHOENIXVILLE SIMPLY DUE TO LACK OF A POST OFFICE, AND IT IS OVERRUN.
IT IS OVERCROWDED, AND IT IS FLOODING.
AS YOU GUYS KNOW, WE'RE HERE FOR DIFFERENT AREAS, DIFFERENT BUILDING, DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS.
WHAT I'M ASKING BEFORE MY TIME RUNS OUT IS THAT WE TRULY CONSIDER NOT ONLY THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS, BUT THE FLOODING AND ALSO THE DETRIMENTAL THING, THE DETRIMENTAL ISSUE THAT WE CAN DO BY DESTROYING THIS BEAUTIFUL SCHOOL INSTEAD OF MAKING IT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE USED FOR THE KIDS.
WHAT I ASK EACH OF YOU IS GIVE ME 10 GOOD REASONS, 10 GOOD REASONS OF WHY WE SHOULD SAY NO TO THE LEAST.
REVOKE IT AND LET THE BUILDERS DO WHATEVER THE HECK THEY WANT.
HI, MY NAME IS KATHLEEN REED, AND I'M GONNA SPEAK ON THE SAME TOPIC, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, UH, TONE, UM, LESS ABOUT THE SCHOOL AND MORE ABOUT THE NEED FOR OPEN SPACE,
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AS WELL AS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE FEWER AND FEWER, UM, PLACES WHERE WATER CAN GO SAFELY.UM, I WAS HERE A YEAR OR TWO AGO TALKING ABOUT ALL THE WAREHOUSES THAT ARE BEING BUILT.
THE REALITY IS ALL THE WATER FROM THO THOSE HILLS AND WHERE THESE HOUSES WOULD BE BUILT IS GONNA GO DOWN WHITAKER OR DOWN NORWOOD INTO A CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH MY PROPERTY.
UH, MY HUSBAND AND I OWN 2 33 NORWOOD, WHICH WE'VE LEFT AS OPEN SPACE AND 2 39 GRACE WHERE OUR HOUSE IS.
THERE'S A CREEK THAT GOES THROUGH OUR BACKYARD DOWN TO DOWN ULTIMATELY TO WALNUT.
WE'VE ALREADY SEEN A LOT MORE FLOODING IN OUR BACKYARD IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, HAVING NEW BUILDING UP THE STREET, IT'S EITHER GONNA COME DOWN WHITAKER AND DOWN OUR DRIVEWAY, OR IT'S GOING TO GO DOWN NORWOOD AND INTO OUR CREEK.
EITHER WAY, THERE'S GONNA BE MORE FLOODING.
THERE'S A NEED FOR OPEN SPACE IN, IN MONTCLAIR.
THERE'S A NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT DEVELOPMENT AS IT RELATES TO THE, THE FLOODING ISSUES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
AND I'D REQUEST THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE FOREBEARERS IN 19 85, 86 WERE SMART
SO FOR THE PEOPLE OF MONTCLAIR DOWNHILL FROM US AND FOR OUR BACKYARD, PLEASE DO NOT LET, ALLOW THAT LEASE TO BE REVOKED.
I LIVE AT 1 35 WORD OF GRAVE AND M IN MONTCLAIR, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SCHOOL.
I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS MEETING A FEW MINUTES AGO, SO I HAVE NOTHING PREPARED, BUT I'M PROBABLY ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE HERE.
THAT WAS HERE WHEN, UH, THE ZONING WAS CHANGED BACK IN WHATEVER YEAR IT WAS IN THE EIGHTIES WHEN IT WAS A SCHOOL, AND IT WAS ZONED TO BE THE OFFICE BUILDINGS.
WHEN I WENT TO THAT MEETING, I AGREED THAT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE AN OFFICE BUILDING THERE AND TO HAVE THAT AREA AS OPEN SPACE WHEN THEY SAID IT WAS GONNA BE A 99 YEAR LEASE, I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE A 99 YEAR LEASE.
THEY DIDN'T SAY IT WAS GONNA BE JUST FOR HOWEVER LONG, AND WE WANTED TO BREAK THE LEASE.
SO I THOUGHT IT WAS FOR A 99 YEAR LEASE.
I THINK THAT SPACE IS NEEDED FOR OPEN SPACE.
IF YOU LOOK AROUND THE AREA, THERE'S NO PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO WALK THEIR DOGS, KIDS TO PLAY A GAME OF, UH, SOFTBALL OR SOCCER.
THERE'S NOT MUCH OPEN SPACE IN MONTCLAIR IN THAT AREA.
AND IF YOU PUT 60 TOWN HOMES AND TAKE UP THAT ONLY OPEN SPACE, THERE IS WHERE THOSE PEOPLE GONNA WALK THEIR DOGS AND PLAY BASEBALL AND PLAY A GAME OF SOCCER.
THERE'S NO PLACE LEFT IN MONT PLAYER.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SEE THAT SPACE KEPT OPEN SPACE LIKE THEY PROMISED WAY BACK WHEN THEY TALKED TO US.
UH, AND SO IT WAS GONNA BE A 99 YEAR LEASE FOR OPEN SPACE.
I LIVE AT TWO 14 NORWOOD STREET IN MONTCLAIR.
MY PROPERTY IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT AND DOWNHILL FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
UH, I, MY FAMILY, AND I'LL BE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT IF IT HAPPENS.
FIRST OFF, I'M ASSUMING THAT WITH 60 PROPERTIES, THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE ABOUT A HUNDRED CARS THAT ARE GONNA BE ADDED TO MY STREET, WHICH IS ALREADY A DIFFICULT STREET TO GET IN AND OUT OF.
WHEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE A LEFT HAND TURN ONTO ROUTE 29.
UH, SECOND OFF THE ADDITIONAL A HUNDRED CARS THAT ARE GONNA BE ON THIS PROPERTY, WHEN THAT BRIDGE FLOODS, WHICH IT DOES EVERY A HUNDRED YEARS, WHICH IS ABOUT EVERY FIVE YEARS.
MM-HMM,
PUT ANOTHER A HUNDRED CARS ON THE ROAD, AND IF IT'S AN EMERGENCY, IF IT'S A CRISIS, THEN WE'RE GONNA BE IN BIG TROUBLE.
FIRST OF ALL, IS CAN YOU MANAGE THE TRAFFIC OF PUTTING A HUNDRED CARS IN HERE? I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU GUYS WANT TO DO THIS OTHER THAN SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD A BUNCH OF HOUSES TO MAKE A BUNCH OF MONEY.
WHEN I MOVED INTO MY HOUSE WITH MY FAMILY 20 YEARS AGO, AND I WANTED TO RAISE MY KIDS IN THIS TOWNSHIP, I WAS TOLD BY MY REALTOR, OH, THE PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT DOOR, THAT'LL ALWAYS BE OPEN SPACE.
THERE'S A HUNDRED YEAR LEASE ON THAT PROPERTY.
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ON THAT PROPERTY.THERE'S A LITTLE PLAYGROUND THERE.
IT'S THE ONLY LITTLE PLAYGROUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR'S, THE MELMAN'S, THEY, THEY HAVE A LITTLE 2-YEAR-OLD SON.
GUESS WHAT? THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE HE CAN GO TO PLAY.
YOU'RE GONNA TEAR THAT DOWN AND BUILD A BUNCH OF HOUSES ON IT.
ALL THE WATER RUNOFF FROM THAT DEVELOPMENT, YOU GUYS BUILD ALL THESE PROPERTIES AND ALL THESE, ALL THESE, UH, PAVEMENTS THAT ALL THESE CARS GONNA HAVE TO PARK ON.
ALL THAT WATER'S GONNA RUN UNDER MY PROPERTY.
AND GUESS WHAT THAT DOES? THAT WASHES ALL OF MY, MY GROUND OFF THE TOP OF MY PROPERTY, DESTROYS MY VEGETABLE GARDEN, AND IT MAKES MY PROPERTY WORTH LESS.
AND WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS? WHY? SO SOMEBODY CAN MAKE A BUNCH OF MONEY.
YOU GUYS NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT THIS TOWNSHIP TO BE IN THE FUTURE.
DO YOU WANT IT TO BE JUST SOME BIG HIGH RISE DEVELOPMENT WHERE YOU MAKE A BUNCH OF MONEY AND THEN MOVE ON TO SOME OTHER PLACE? OR DO YOU WANT THIS TO BE THE TOWNSHIP THAT IT IS NOW WHERE PEOPLE APPRECIATE IT AND LOVE TO LIVE HERE? YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT WHAT YOUR VALUES ARE.
YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY CAME THROUGH AND THEY, AND THEY REDID THE ROAD THERE, THEY CAUSED ALL SORTS OF EROSION ON, ON THE PROPERTY ALREADY WITH THE WATER RUNOFF.
THAT'S NOT MY BIGGEST CONCERN, THOUGH.
MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS YOU'RE GONNA PUT 60 HOUSES IN MY BACKYARD.
WHY DO WE NEED 60 MORE HOUSES ON A PROPERTY THAT I WAS TOLD WAS ALWAYS GONNA BE OPEN SPACE WHEN I MOVED INTO THIS TOWNSHIP? OH, NO, THIS IS ALL GUARANTEED TO BE OPEN SPACE FOR A HUNDRED YEARS.
THAT'S NOT IT, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE WHATEVER THE GOVERNMENT TELLS YOU, IT'S, IT'S JUST YOU HAVE, IT DOESN'T REALLY MEAN ANYTHING BECAUSE A HUNDRED YEARS DOESN'T MEAN A HUNDRED YEARS.
IT MEANS LIKE 30 YEARS OR WHATEV, WHATEVER HA HAPPENS TO BE UNTIL SOMEBODY COMES ALONG WITH MORE MONEY, RIGHT? I'M DISGUSTED.
UH, LER 300 LOVERS, LANE MONTCLAIR, UM, UM, ALSO UP HERE ABOUT THE MONTCLAIR DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THERE ARE SO MANY MORE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THIS AREA HERE, AND ESPECIALLY THAT ARE GONNA AFFECT MONTCLAIR.
WE WE'RE FIGHTING AGAINST THE LOVER'S LANE DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE FIGHTING, YOU KNOW, WITH NOT MUCH YOU CAN DO.
THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT HERE.
THEY WERE DO THE ONE IN MONTCLAIR AT MONTCLAIR SCHOOL.
THE PEOPLE DOWN ON WALNUT STREET ARE HAVING THEIR HOMES TORE DOWN BECAUSE OF THE WATER.
OKAY? THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF WATER RUNOFF ON THESE NEW HOMES THAT THEY RUN, PROPOSE, SORRY, MYSELF.
AND WE DO HAVE TO LOOK TO OUR FUTURE.
AND FOR OUR CHILDREN, OUR TAXES ARE GOING UP.
THEY'RE GONNA NEED MORE SCHOOLS.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE ALL THIS MONEY'S GONNA GO.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GONNA HELP US.
AND YOU'RE DESTROYING WHAT WE HAVE LEFT.
AND PLEASE THINK ABOUT THE LEASE, OKAY? IT'S A, IT IS A 99-YEAR-OLD LEASE.
KEEP IT IN EFFECT FOR EVERYBODY.
AL ALAK GOES, THE 1 28 PATRIOT.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU GUYS ARE DOING.
IT'S A TOUGH, UH, POSITION TO BE IN.
UM, I HAVE A COMMENT ON THE REC CENTER.
I JOINED THE REC CENTER IN THE SPRINGS.
I, I HAVE TO SAY IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD SPOT.
HOWEVER, THE WIFI IS LESS THAN GOOD AND I'M BEING KIND.
I'VE, I'VE ASKED THE TOWNSHIP STAFF TO FIX IT.
AND SO THERE IT IS THERE, BUT IT'S NOT WORKING.
BUT MY HOA ASSOCIATION, BY THE WAY, THERE'S HOAS ALL AROUND THAT.
WE TRY TO HAVE MEETINGS IN THERE.
CAN'T, 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK.
SO EITHER HAVE WIFI OR YOU DON'T.
UM, SECOND, UM, YOU HAVE SOME GOOD STAFF THERE.
I I, I'VE ONLY SAID HI TO HER, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW ME, I'M LOOKING.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY, UM, IN 2018, UM, MR. PEARSON WAS ON THE BOARD, UH, ENCOURAGED THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD, THE BLOW UP THAT'S BLOW UP, SO TO SPEAK.
BASICALLY TURNED THE REC CENTER ON ITS HEAD.
AND, UM, WE CLOSED IT FOR A WHILE AND WE OPEN IT UP AT EIGHT EIGHT'S TOO LATE.
THAT'S THE OTHER THING I TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT.
THERE'S A VERY, THERE'S A GREAT PEOPLE IN THERE WORKING OUT, BUT THEY'RE OLDER.
YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANYBODY, YOU'RE NOT GETTING A 40-YEAR-OLD WHO WANTS TO GO TO WORK.
THEY WANT TO COME IN AT SEVEN, BUT THEY CAN, I CAN WORK FOR MYSELF, SO I CAN WORK ANYTIME, BUT YOU NEED TO OPEN IT EARLIER.
SO MAYBE DO A SURVEY OR TRY IT.
IT NEEDS TO BE OPENED EARLIER, BUT IT IS REALLY, IT'S BETTER THAN THE GOLD DOOR OR ANY OTHER GYM I CAN GO TO.
UM, PARKHOUSE IN THE 13TH, UM, YOU MADE THE RIGHT DECISION ON PARK HOUSE.
YOUR BACK WAS AGAINST THE WALL,
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BUT NOW'S NOT THE TIME FOR THIS BOARD TO SIT BACK AND WAIT FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DO SOMETHING.YOU NEED TO TAKE, YOU NEED TO TAKE INITIATIVE.
YOU NEED TO GO TO THOSE PLANNING COMMISSIONS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I DIDN'T GO TO THE FIRST ONE BECAUSE THE PUBLIC'S STILL UPSET.
BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE THE TRAIL SYSTEM THAT CIRCLES THAT, BUT I REALLY DON'T CARE WHAT THEY DO INSIDE THAT, BUILT INSIDE THAT COMPLEX.
BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE A TRAIL THAT GOES FROM MENNONITE ROAD TO THE FARM AND FROM, I DON'T KNOW, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, UH, OF WHERE PARKHOUSE IS, WE DON'T CONNECT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS TO WHERE THE TRAIL IS.
ALRIGHT? THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO HAVE SIDEWALKS ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET.
THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO HAVE 24 OR 26 FOOT STREETS.
DON'T LET THEM DO THAT UNLESS YOU GET SOMETHING IN RETURN.
AND THIS BOARD NEEDS TO GO THERE AND LISTEN AGAIN, DON'T RELY ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, DO NOT RELY ON THEM.
GO SIT IN THAT MEETING, STAND UP OR, OR USE YOUR INFLUENCE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET WHAT YOU WANT OUTTA THAT.
AND FINALLY, I DIDN'T COME HERE FOR THIS WHITAKER THING, BUT UNDERSTAND THIS, UH, I KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THAT PROPERTY.
UM, THERE'S NO, UM, CONTROL OF WATER.
WE KNOW THAT IT'S AN OPEN FIELD.
IT'S AN OLD, THE BUILDING'S A HUNDRED YEARS OLD.
AGAIN, JUST LIKE PARK OUTS, ANYTHING THAT'S BUILT, IF ANYTHING STILL HOME WOULD OCCUR.
IT'LL BE BETTER THAN WHAT'S THERE.
UH, PHIL FELTON, UH, OLD STATE ROAD.
UH, I WASN'T GONNA SPEAK ABOUT PARKHOUSE TONIGHT, BUT I SAW THE OPPORTUNITY, SO I THOUGHT I'D JUMP IN.
UM, I KNOW I'M SURE YOU'VE ALL SEEN THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING THE, UH, OPEN SPACE.
AND, UH, THEY WERE NICE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE US.
AND YOU WERE NICE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE US WITH PHIL STARLING IN A MEETING THAT WE COULD TALK ABOUT WHERE WE THOUGHT SOME ALTERNATIVE PLACE ON THE SITE COULD BE FOR THE OPEN SPACE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY, AND I DON'T HAVE MANY COPIES, BUT I COULD CERTAINLY EMAIL THIS TO EVERYBODY HERE.
IT'S BASICALLY THEIR PROPOSED TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN SHOWING THE OPEN SPACE ON THAT, UH, SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT WE'VE DISCOVERED TOO, THROUGH THE LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION IS THERE'S 389 HOMES CLUSTERED ON THAT ONE CORNER.
AND IT'S, IT'S TO ACCOMMODATE THE TRAFFIC.
SEEMS TO BE THE, THE BIG ISSUE HERE.
I MEAN, I'VE TALKED ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, CONTIGUOUS OPEN SPACE AND THE, THE, UM, THE CONSERVING THE LAND FROM OLD STATE ROAD WEST TOWARDS DOMINGO CREEK.
BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, ACCOMMODATING THE TRAFFIC AND HAVING ALL THE DEVELOPMENT ON, YOU KNOW, CLUSTERED IN THAT ONE SPOT IS, IS A REAL SAFETY ISSUE FOR THE, FOR THE FUTURE RESIDENTS OF THE, THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THE EXISTING RESIDENTS AS WELL.
[EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT]
EXECUTIVE SESSION WAS HELD JUST PRIOR TO TONIGHT'S MEETING.TOPICS DISCUSSED WERE PERSONNEL, POTENTIAL LITIGATION AND REAL ESTATE.
[APPROVAL OF BILL LIST ]
ON TO THE APPROVAL OF THE BILL LIST FROM SEPTEMBER 1ST TO SEPTEMBER 30TH.I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE BILL LIST FOR THE PERIOD OF SEPTEMBER ONE THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2024 IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,437,244 AND 25 CENTS.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
OFF IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.YOU CAN SEE HERE WE HAVE A BUNCH OF BUDGET WORKSHOP MINUTES INCLUDED HERE.
UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2024 BOARD SUPERVISORS REGULAR MEETING MINUTES.
THE SEPTEMBER 26TH, 2024 FOR SUPERVISORS 2025 BUDGET WORKSHOP MINUTES.
THE OCTOBER 1ST, 2024, FOUR SUPERVISORS, 2025 BUDGET WORKSHOP MINUTES AND OCTOBER 8TH, 2024.
BOARD SUPERVISORS 2025 BUDGET WORKSHOP MINUTES.
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ALRIGHT, NOW[OLD BUSINESS (ACTION/DISCUSSION ITEMS)]
WE HAVE ONE UP FOR THE OLD FOR OLD BUSINESS.UM, CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 34 GRANTING TENTATIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL TO 4 25 SOUTH MENNONITE ROAD NINE LOT SUBDIVISION ATED.
UH, AS YOU MAY RECALL, WE WERE HERE, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS AUGUST MEETING.
AND AT THAT TIME WE PROPOSED A PLAN THAT WOULD HAVE THE, THE ROAD GO FROM A NIGHT ROAD CUT THROUGH TO TRAP ROAD.
UM, TAKING THE COMMENTS OF THE VARIOUS STAFF'S COMMENTS AND OUR PROFESSIONALS, WE WENT IN AND RE UH, UH, ENGINEERED THE PROJECT.
UM, BASICALLY THE PROJECT WOULD BE ABOUT 11.15 ACRES.
UM, WE ARE CODE COMPLIANT AS FAR AS ZONING GOES.
WE WOULD NEED A WAIVER WHEN YOU GET TO THAT POINT FOR UNDER SDO FOR THE LENGTH OF THE CUL-DE-SAC.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S A PRETTY CLEAN PLAN.
UH, AS FAR AS THE ORDINANCE GOES, THERE WOULD BE PUBLIC ORDER AND PUBLIC SEWER.
UH, THE SEWER WOULD RUN FROM THE PROPERTY DOWN AND CONNECT THEM TO TRAP ROAD.
UM, IT, THE PLAN COMMISSION SEEMED TO BE THAT WE'RE IN FAVOR OF THE PLAN.
I THINK WHEN WE WERE HERE IN AUGUST, YOU GUYS WERE IN FAVOR OF THIS PLAN OVER THE OTHER PLAN.
AND WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO SEEK YOUR, UH, APPROVAL OF THE TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN.
UH, QUESTION, DID YOU HAVE EMERGENCY ACCESS, UH, THERE AT THE END OF THE DOUBLE SHARED DRIVEWAY THAT RUNS OUT TO, UH, SOUTH TRAP ROAD? WHAT WILL THAT BE CONSTRUCTED OVER THERE? THERE'LL BE SOME UNDERGROUND PANELS TO SUPPORT THE WEIGHTED VEHICLES OR YES, WHATEVER THE ATTACHMENT IT CALLS FOR OR THE TOWN ENGINEER CALLS FOR, WE'RE GLAD TO DO THAT.
IT'S LIKEWISE ACCESS TO IT, BUT IF YOU WANT TO CHAIN LINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S WHATEVER BARRIER YOU WANT SO PEOPLE DON'T DRIVE ACROSS.
IT WILL BE AGREEABLE TO THAT AS WELL.
IT'S REALLY WHATEVER THE TOWN PREFERS AND THE SHARED DRIVEWAY FOR SIX AND SEVEN, UM, IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS TO BE WIDER THAN THE OTHER DRIVEWAYS.
SO THAT WILL ALLOW THE CAR TWO CARS TO PASS, CORRECT.
AND THERE'S TWO RETENTION BASINS.
THEY, THEY WILL PUT 'EM THERE FOR KIND OF MORE ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES.
WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY ENGINEERED THE PROJECT, SO THE EXACT LOCATION OF THOSE MAY BE TWEAKED.
UM, LOOKING AT THE GRADING, THE, THE NATURAL WHERE THE GROUND RUNS, THEY SEEM TO BE LOGICAL PLACES FOR THEM.
BUT UNTIL WE ACTUALLY GET INTO LAND DEVELOPMENTS COULD BE HARD TO SAY FOR SURE.
YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE OR WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE AS FAR AS SIZE GOES.
I GUESS THERE'S NO SOUND BARRIERS ALONG THAT.
NO, THERE'S NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
BUT AT WHAT POINT DOES, THERE'S NO SIDEWALK ON MENNONITE THOUGH, RIGHT? THERE'S SIDEWALK ON THE LEFT SIDE OF MENNONITE, BUT IT STOPS AT THAT PART AND THEN IT STARTS AGAIN.
AT WHAT POINT DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH HOMES THERE THAT YOU GOTTA CONNECT THE SIDEWALK TO CHRISTINA, THIS IS CHRIS, UH, DALEY.
DO YOU KNOW AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION? I, 'CAUSE I DON'T, I, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A SIDEWALK ALONG MENNONITE IN THAT LOCATION? WELL, I, I CAN VENTURE.
I MEAN IT DOES CONNECT FROM SOUTH TRAP ROAD ALL THE WAY TO OUR COLE ROAD AND THEN INTO THE TOWN CENTER.
UM, WE ARE WORKING ON WITH PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER APARTMENTS, AS PART OF THEIR APPROVAL, THEY HAVE TO PUT IN SOME ADDITIONAL SIDEWALKS THAT CONNECT AND IMPROVE THE INTERSECTION OF SOUTH TRAP ROAD AND MENNONITE ROAD.
UM, THE BIGGEST ISSUE WE HAVE IS GETTING SIDEWALK UP TRAP ROAD GOING NORTH SOUTH OR A TRAIL THAT, THAT'S OUR BIGGEST CHALLENGE.
BUT WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS CONNECTING THIS AREA ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD ONLY.
WE, WE DON'T HAVE IT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF MEITE ROAD, BUT IN THIS DEVELOPMENT THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS.
WE, WE PROBABLY WILL BE PUTTING SIDEWALKS.
IT'S NOT DEPICTED ON THIS PLANT.
WE WILL BE PROPOSED AND IT'LL BE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET IF THAT'S REQUIRED.
THAT IS, THAT IS THE REQUIREMENT.
AND THEN IT'LL BE SIDEWALKS,
WE INSTALLED A TRAIL THERE I WOULD SAY 10 YEARS AGO.
WE ACTUALLY PUT THAT ROAD ON WHAT WE CALL ROAD DIET.
YEAH, STRANGE NAME, BUT THEY CALL IT ROAD DIET.
WE NARROWED THE ROAD AND WE PUT IN, I THINK IT'S A SIX FOOT OR EIGHT FOOT WIDE TRAIL ON, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT.
ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MIDNIGHT ROAD.
AND IS THERE A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING THERE TO GET ACROSS SOUTH TRACK? THERE IS NOW IT'S GOING TO BE IMPROVED AS PART OF WHAT PROVIDENCE SOUTH CENTER HAS TO DO THAT.
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ARE IN PROCESS.YEAH, IT'S, YEAH, YOU CAN GET ACROSS, BUT IT'S UH, WHAT YOU ARE TAKING YOUR LIFE IN YOUR HANDS.
AND, AND I THAT SPEAK TO THAT.
ANTHONY CAN SPEAK TO THAT BETTER.
BUT, BUT THOSE PLANS ARE IN PROCESS.
I THINK THEY'RE EITHER UNDER APPROVAL BY PENOC OR THEY, THEY'VE BEEN APPROVED ENGINEERING WISE.
TECHNICALLY ALL THE TECHNICAL ISSUES HAVE BEEN FLUSHED OUT.
THE, UH, IT'S ONLY ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS LEFT, RIGHT AWAY BY ACQUISITION AND SOME EASEMENTS I BELIEVE THAT ARE CURRENT AND PROVINCETOWN CENTER'S PAYING FOR THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM BOARD? ALRIGHT, I'LL ASK FOR MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 34 GRANTING TENTATIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL TO 4 25 SOUTH MENNONITE ROAD NINE LOT SUBDIVISION.
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BUSINESS, UH, WE HAVE A COUPLE, UM, PRESENTATIONS.I THINK IT'S FIVE, SIX, AND SEVEN ON THE AGENDA.
THE FIRST ONE IS THE OPERATING A CAPITAL BUDGET PRELIMINARY OVERVIEW AND REQUEST AUTHORIZATION TO ADVERTISE.
HELENE, I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE EVER DONE FORMAL INTRODUCTIONS FOR THE PUBLIC, BUT, UM, JOE EGAN IS OUR NEW FINANCE DIRECTOR'S BEEN WITH US FOR ABOUT SEVEN, SEVEN MONTHS.
SO HE'S GONNA BE GOING OVER THE, UH, OPERATING BUDGET.
ALL OF YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A, A DRAFT, UM, OVERVIEW OF OUR, UM, BUDGETED EXPENDITURES, UH, AND REVENUES FOR ALL OF OUR FUNDS, UM, FOR 2025.
AND, UM, I'LL LET TURN OVER TO JOE, GIVE A HIGHLIGHT OF SOME OF OUR MAIN FUNDS AND SOME OF THE, UH, POLICY ISSUES BEFORE THE BOARD.
EVENING MEMBERS OF THE BOARD SUPERVISOR MICAH EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, RESIDENTS STAFF.
UM, TODAY WE PRESENT THE GENERAL FUND OPERATING BUDGET AS WELL AS THE CAPITAL EXPENSE BUDGET.
SO, UM, IF YOU WOULD BE SO KIND, JEFF.
SO WE HAVE A, UH, TOTAL OPERATING AND CAPITAL EXPENSE BUDGET OF $38 MILLION.
AND THAT IS 23 MILLION ON THE OPERATING SIDE AND JUST OVER 14 AND A HALF MILLION ON THE CAPITAL EXPENSE SIDE, WHICH IS IN LINE WITH THE PREVIOUS YEARS.
THIS ONE MIGHT BE A LITTLE HARD TO READ, BUT THIS IS, EACH OF THE FUNDS, EACH FUND HAS A DIFFERENT PURPOSE.
THE GENERAL FUND IS WHERE YOUR OPERATING EXPENSES GO.
AND THE LIQUID FUELS FUND IS MONEY THAT COMES FROM THE STATE EVERY YEAR BASED ON YOUR MILEAGE.
AND, UM, THE POPULATION OF THE TOWNSHIP PARK AND REC IS USED FOR DIFFERENT PURPOSES, PRETTY MUCH, UH, A LOT OF IT IS OPEN SPACE BASE AND FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT, UH, THAT'S WHERE THAT GETS, GETS MADE.
THE SEWER ENTERPRISE IS THE SEWER SYSTEM.
THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURE IS ANY KIND OF NEW PROJECTS THAT WE DO, WHETHER IT'S EQUIPMENT OR, UM, DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UH, BUILDING AND WHATNOT.
AND THEN WE HAVE PROPOSED AN EMS FUND BECAUSE THE EMS ISSUES IN PENNSYLVANIA ARE VERY TIGHT RIGHT NOW.
A LOT OF THE TOWNSHIPS ARE SUBSIDIZING THEIR TAXES FOR EMS SERVICES.
SO THERE'S A PROPOSAL TO HAVE EACH MEMBER, EACH, EACH RESIDENT WOULD BE A MEMBER OF THE EMS, MEANING BASICALLY THE TOWNSHIP WOULD BE TAKING, THE TOWNSHIP WOULD BE TAKING, UH, THE MEMBERSHIP TO EVERYBODY.
SO IT WOULDN'T DISCRIMINATE BASED
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ON AGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY SOMETHING THAT, UH, IT'S BEEN DONE IN A LOT OF NEIGHBORING TOWNSHIPS AND THEY SEEM TO HAVE GOOD RESULTS.
AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE EMS COMPANIES, IF THEY STRUGGLE AND THEY, THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, IF THE BOARD DECIDES THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO USE THIS OR FUTURE FUTURE BOARDS OR WHATEVER, UM, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT SOME OF THESE AMBULANCE COMPANIES WOULD BE OUT OF BUSINESS AND WE WOULD BE, THE TOWNSHIP IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING AN AMBULANCE, AND THAT WOULD COST PROBABLY THREE TO FIVE TIMES MORE THAN WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE CURRENTLY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO, THE BOARD HAS BEEN, UM, WELL VERSED ON THIS.
WE'VE HAD THREE BUDGET WORKSHOPS, AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE MAIN TOPICS THAT CAME UP.
THE FINAL, UM, FUND IS THE SEWER CAPITAL FUND.
THERE ARE SOME MAJOR PROJECTS FOR SEWER, UM, BECAUSE OF THE, UH, WHAT DO THEY CALL IT, BRIAN, THE, THE PIPELINE
JEFF, DO YOU WANT, I'LL GO BACK.
DID YOU DO AN EXPENDITURES? YEAH.
SO, UM, I'M SORRY, WHAT DID YOU DO? AN THAT'S REVENUE SUMMARY.
YEAH, THAT'S REVENUE EXPENDITURE SUMMARY.
IS THERE AN EXPENDITURE SUMMARY? YES.
YEAH, SO THE SEWER PIPELINE, UM, IS, HAS A, A LIFESPAN.
AND WE HAD, WE RECENTLY HAD A, UH, SECTION OF THE PIPELINE THAT WAS, IT WAS DAMAGED HEAVILY AND WE HAD TO DO EMERGENCY REPAIRS.
I THINK IT WAS LIKE 150,000 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT BASICALLY, UM, THIS, THIS MATERIAL IS SOME TYPE OF A RUBBER SILICONE SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY USE ON RUBBER ROOFING AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO THE GOAL FOR THE TOWNSHIP IS TO BASICALLY TAKE THE ENTIRE PIPELINE OVER A PERIOD OF THREE TO FIVE YEARS AND JUST COMPLETELY HAVE THE INTERIOR RUBBERIZED, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT.
UM, AND THE TECHNOLOGY IS SUPPOSED TO LAST FOR 50 YEARS, SO IT'S A MAJOR PROJECT, BUT, UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IT COULD REALLY BE A PROBLEM.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A SEWER LINE THAT'S BROKEN, IT CAN CAUSE A LOT OF DAMAGE AS, AS WE KNOW.
SO THAT WOULD BE, UM, THE REVENUES, THESE ARE THE REVENUE TRENDS.
IT'S SOMEWHAT HARD TO READ, BUT UH, ESSENTIALLY THE REVENUES ARE CONSISTENT FROM YEAR TO YEAR.
WE STILL HAVE A VERY STRONG, UH, EARNED INCOME TAX REVENUE.
AND THE REAL ESTATE TRANSFER TAX WAS DOWN FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS BECAUSE THE, UH, PROPERTY VALUES, OR I'M SORRY, THE, UM, THE HOME SALES WERE WAY DOWN BECAUSE NOBODY WANTED TO PAY 8% ON A HOUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT WORTH THE MONEY OR THAT KIND OF THING, ESSENTIALLY.
SO WE'RE HOPING TO, TO BRING IN MORE, UH, REAL ESTATE TRANSFERS THIS YEAR, 25.
AND, UM, EVERYTHING ELSE, AGAIN, IT, IT, IT FLUCTUATES A LITTLE BIT, BUT TYPICALLY, UM, THEY GO UP INCREMENTALLY YEAR BY YEAR.
SO WE, WE, IN ORDER TO, UM, STABILIZE THE EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES, WE DID, UH, LOOK INTO A, A SMALL TAX LEVY FOR THAT.
AND THE BOARD WOULD HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE THAT DECISION.
BUT BASICALLY, UM, THE TOTAL BETWEEN, SO THERE, THERE'S TWO MAIN DRIVERS OF, UM, OF THIS, AND THAT WOULD BE THE EMERGENCY MEDICAL AND THE, UM, POLICE ARE LOOKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL DETECTIVE.
SO EVEN, UH, THOSE TWO ITEMS COMBINED, IT'S UH, LESS THAN 2.5% OF THE GENERAL FUND REVENUES.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE CHART, WE ARE, UM, WE ARE LOWEST, UH, TAX REVENUE, UM, IN, IN OUR AREA HERE.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE, UM, CHART ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT, IT BASICALLY SHOWS THAT
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OUR MILLAGE IS LOWER THAN OTHER TOWNSHIPS.SO THIS IS A GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY, UH, THEY'RE SUBSTANTIALLY SOMEWHAT HIGHER, UM, THAN PREVIOUSLY.
AND THERE'S DIFFERENT REASONS FOR THAT.
BUT, UH, ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, IT JUST MOVES UP INCREMENTALLY, NOT A HUGE AMOUNT.
THE REASON WE HAD, UM, THE REASON THAT 2024 IS GONNA BE A HIGHER NUMBER AT THE BOTTOM $27 MILLION IS WE TOOK MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND AND MOVED IT TO THE CAPITAL FUND BECAUSE WE HADN'T DONE THAT IN FIVE YEARS.
AND TYPICALLY WE WOULD BE, UM, MAKING THOSE TRANSFERS TO FUND FUTURE PROJECTS.
AND WE HAD VERY LOW BALANCE IN THE CAPITAL FUND.
SO THAT WAS MOVED, UM, FROM THE GENERAL TO THE CAPITAL
SO WHATEVER YOU HAVE FOR REVENUES IN EACH FUND, YOU'LL HAVE AN EQUAL AMOUNT OF EXPENDITURES.
SO, UM, THE CAPITAL, WE'RE GONNA DO SOME BREAKDOWNS ON THE CAPITAL FUNDS IF YOU CAN, UH, PUT THAT UP THERE.
SO WE HAVE, UH, ESSENTIALLY FIVE DIFFERENT CAPITAL FUNDS AND THE LARGEST IS THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES FUND.
THAT INCLUDES ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, PUBLIC WORKS, UM, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
IT'S ALSO EQUIPMENT AND THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, THE SEWER CAPITAL FUND IS, IS STRICTLY FOR THE SEWER.
WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO, UH, USE THAT FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE.
THE LIQUID FUELS FUND, WHICH, UH, I SPOKE ABOUT EARLIER, THAT COMES FROM THE STATE.
SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY A GRANT THAT WE GET FROM THE STATE EVERY YEAR.
AND THE PARK AND OPEN SPACE FUND IS USED FOR, UM, THE FACILITIES, THE, THE, UH, THE REC CENTER AND THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND, UM, EXISTING PROPERTIES THAT WE MAY WANT TO PURCHASE TO KEEP OPEN SPACE.
UM, AND ONE OTHER THING ALSO, UH, JEFF MM-HMM
WE HAVE OVER $3.2 MILLION IN GRANTS THAT WILL HELP FUND ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT CURRENTLY.
SO THIS IS BASICALLY JUST, UM, BY DEPARTMENT.
WE HAVE, UH, WE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH OUR TECHNOLOGY AND WE BROUGHT IN A, UH, SPECIALIST THAT HELPED US TO LIKE FIGURE OUT WHAT SOME OF THE DEFICIENCIES ARE.
AND WE HAVE A FEW SERVERS THAT ARE IN DIRE NEED OF BEING ON THEIR LAST LEGS.
THEY'RE USUALLY ABOUT FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS.
I THINK THESE ARE AT LEAST SEVEN YEARS OLD.
SO, UM, WE HAD, WE HAVE TO, THIS IS A LARGER AMOUNT THAN WE TYPICALLY HAVE FOR IT CAPITAL, THE POLICE CAPITOL, UM, THEY HAVE THREE VEHICLES THAT THEY'RE REPLACING.
THEY HAVE, UH, BODY CAMERAS, WHICH ARE ON A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT.
THEY HAVE THE CAMERAS THAT ARE USED ON THE ROAD, THE LICENSE PLATE READER CAMERAS.
THERE ARE, UH, REPLACEMENTS FOR THE COMPUTERS OF THE VEHICLES AND MOTOROLA RADIOS AND MISCELLANEOUS IT.
AND, UM, A LEASE, ONE LEASE PAYMENT ON A VEHICLE.
UH, THEY WERE LOOKING AT DASH CAMERAS, RADIO UPGRADES, FLOOD GATES, WHICH ARE GONNA BE GRANT DEPENDENT IF, UM, IT BACKS UP TO LOWER PROVIDENCE, I BELIEVE.
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THEY HAVE A RESCUE BOAT THAT WAS DAMAGED AND IT'S VERY OLD.THEY'RE LOOKING TO REPLACE THAT.
FIRE HOSE REPLACEMENT IS EVERY YEAR.
EVERY YEAR THEY, THEY HAVE TO REPLACE A LOT OF THAT.
AND THE FLOOD GAUGES ARE AN UPGRADE THIS YEAR.
PARK AND REC, THEY HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS GOING ON, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE A LOT OF GRANT MONEY COMING IN.
SO, UM, A LOT OF THESE TWO ARE MAYBE NOT GONNA BE FINISHED THIS YEAR, BUT WE WANTED TO PUT THEM IN THE BUDGET FOR CONSIDERATION.
BUT, UH, WE HAVE SEVERAL PARK PROJECTS AND TRAIL PROJECTS, WHICH ARE STATED HERE AT DIFFERENT AMOUNTS.
AND THE GRANTS ARE ON THE FAR RIGHT SIDE.
PUBLIC WORKS ALWAYS HAS A LOT OF CAPITAL PROJECTS, UM, JUST BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF MAINTAINING THE ROADS AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO THERE'S, UM, CAPITAL EXPENSES ARE, UH, FIVE, 5.2 MILLION.
AND THERE ARE TWO, LIKE WHAT THEY DO IS THEY, THEY TAKE THE ROADS THAT ARE IN ORDER.
BASICALLY THE, THE TEAM OF PUBLIC WORKS GOES OUT, THEY LOOK AT WHERE THE WORST OFFENDERS ARE, NOT OFFENDERS, BUT THE WORST ROADS, THE OLDEST TYPICALLY.
AND THEY DECIDE LIKE WHERE THEY SHOULD, THEY SHOULD MAKE THOSE REPAIRS.
SO WE'VE BEEN, UM, WE'VE BEEN IN A SITUATION WHERE THERE WERE, THERE WERE, UM, WE WERE JUST BEHIND PERIOD.
MONEY'S NOT REACHING AS FAR AS IT DID BEFORE.
SO WE'RE LOOKING TO GET CAUGHT UP ON SOME EXTRA ROAD PROJECTS.
PROJECT B AND PROJECT C ARE ADDITIONAL FROM LIQUID FUELS FUNDS.
THEY'RE COMING OUT OF THE CAPITAL FUND THIS YEAR.
HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET CAUGHT UP.
BUT, UM, THE OTHER ONE IS THE LIQUID FUELS AND THEN THERE'S SEWER CAPITAL, THERE'S SOME MAJOR PROJECTS THERE.
THERE'S A $3 MILLION SECOND AVENUE PROJECT THAT WE ARE SLATED TO RECEIVE A GRANT FOR, $2 MILLION FOR THE $3 MILLION PROJECT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A HUGE DEAL FOR US TO GET THAT FROM THE GOVERNMENT.
AND, UM, THERE IS A TOTAL OF, I CAN'T READ IT, I'M SORRY, 2.5, 2.5 MILLION ON GRANTS FOR THAT.
COULD WE GO BACK AND, UH, ARE YOU AROUND THE SLIDE, JUDGE, BACK TO THE, UH, TABLE FIVE THAT SHOWS THE LEVY COMPARISON? BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS WHAT EVERYBODY'S INTERESTED IN.
'CAUSE THIS IS WHERE YOUR TAXES ARE GOING UP, RIGHT?
AND I WANT TO, I WANNA BE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE GETTING FOR THIS, UH, CURRENTLY.
AND YOU CAN JUMP UP CHIEF RUSSELL BY MAKING ANY MISTAKES AND, AND LET US, LET ME KNOW.
BUT CURRENTLY, UH, OUR TOWNSHIP AND PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE IN PENNSYLVANIA IS SERVED BY PRIVATE, UH, AMBULANCE COMPANIES.
WE DO NOT OWN THE AMBULANCE COMPANY.
IT'S, UH, FREEDOM, UH, AMBULANCE OUT OF, UH, RO, UH, THEY'RE BASED OUTTA REUTERS FOR, BUT THEY RUN THEIR PARTICULAR OPERATION HERE, NOT FREEDOM, EXCUSE ME.
UM, P THEY RUN OUT OF OUR EMS CENTER, BUT LIKE YOUR DOCTOR'S OFFICE, LIKE THE HOSPITAL, THEY ARE MEDICAL SERVICES PROVIDED AND THEY'RE A PRIVATE MEDICAL SERVICES PROVIDER.
BUT IF YOU PAY ANY ATTENTION TO THESE STANDING BONUS COMPANIES ARE NOT MAKING BACK ENOUGH MONEY THAT YOU KEEP THEIR TRUCKS ON THE ROAD.
AND, UH, IT, IT'S REALLY A TESTAMENT TO THE GOOD MANAGEMENT OF FRIENDSHIP THAT THEY MANAGE AS WELL AS THEY DO.
BUT WE, WE'VE HAD TO SUPPLEMENT THEM WITH GIFTS FROM THE TOWNSHIP FROM TIME TO TIME WHEN THEY NEEDED SOME NEW AMBULANCES LAST YEAR.
AND THIS WAY WE'RE ACTUALLY PAYING AND GETTING A SERVICE BACK.
NOW ON MANY OF YOU IN THE PAST, I KNOW OVERSEAS SOLICITATIONS FROM AMBULANCE COMPANY, IT USUALLY COSTS LIKE $80, 80, $85 A YEAR.
YOU GET WHAT'S CALLED A MEMBERSHIP.
THAT MEANS IF THE AMBULANCE COMES TO YOUR RESIDENCE AND PICKS SOMEONE UP, TAKES 'EM TO THE HOSPITAL, WHATEVER THE INSURANCE PAYS FOR THAT PERSON, THAT'S ALL THE, THE AMBULANCE COMPANY WILL BILL.
THAT'S IF YOU DON'T A MEMBERSHIP.
IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A MEMBERSHIP, THEN THEY WILL BILL YOU THE, THE FULL AMOUNT.
AND OFTENTIMES YOUR INSURANCE,
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UH, AS I THINK SOME PEOPLE HAVE LEARNED, WILL NOT PAY THE WHOLE THING.AND THE BILL COULD BE 800, A THOUSAND DOLLARS OR MORE.
SO THAT'S WHAT EVERY RESIDENT IN THE TOWNSHIP, EVERY EVERY RESIDENCE IN THE TOWNSHIP IS GOING TO GET IS A MEMBERSHIP IN THE FIRE, IN, IN THE AMBULANCE COMPANY.
AND, UH, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT THAT MILLAGE IS FOR THE, THE, UH, ADDITIONAL 0.15 THAT WE'RE ADDING AND THE OTHER ONE FOR THE POLICE TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICER.
WE, OUR TESTIMONY FROM, UH, CHIEF FREEMAN ABOUT THE WORKLOAD OF OUR OFFICERS, OUR DETECTIVES ARE WAY OVERWORKED IN THIS TOWNSHIP COMPARED TO, UH, ALL THE AGENCIES AROUND US.
AND WE REALLY NEED TO ADD ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER TO THAT FORCE.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WANNA UNDERSTAND.
SO WE'RE MOVING FROM 2.5 TO 2.75 MILLAGE.
WE WILL STILL BE BELOW, UH, LOWER PROVIDENCE LIMERICK I THINK IS THE BEST APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON.
THERE'S NO TRUE APPLES TO APPLES.
UM, AND YOU SEE WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER MILLAGES ARE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW WORK OWNED DOES AT 1.95 WHETHER OR NOT, I KNOW THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT AND UH, THEY'RE VERY, VERY SMALL TOWNSHIP.
BUT, UH, SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT WHAT THAT WAS FOR AND HOW THAT WILL WORK.
AND EVERY, LIKE I SAID, THE BILLING FROM THE AMBULANCE WILL ONLY BE TO YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY AND THE REST WILL BE COVERED BY THAT MEMBERSHIP FEE.
AND THAT'S GONNA PROVIDE THE, THE AMBULANCE COMPANY WITH ABOUT $450,000 A YEAR IN REVENUE.
SO THEY SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE GIFTS FOR AMBULANCES WILLING AT THIS POINT AND THEY'LL BE ON SOLID FINANCIAL FOOTING GOING FORWARD.
SO DID I GET ANYTHING WRONG? I'LL GIVE.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ADAM CHAIR, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS TO UM, GIVE MOTION TO ADVERTISE THE BUDGET.
OUR ACTUAL FINAL BUDGET WILL BE ON DECEMBER 2ND.
SO WE'LL HAVE A MONTH OF NOVEMBER CONTINUE TO TWEAK.
SO TIM, JUST TO CLEAR, WE'RE NOT, THERE'S A MOTION, THE MOTION IS JUST TO ADVERTISE.
MOTION IS TO ADVERTISE I THINK CHERYL THIS WEDNESDAY.
UM, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SOME FINAL CROSS CHECKS ON ALL THE NUMBERS AND THIS WILL BE AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE ON WEDNESDAY.
COULD YOU COME IF YOU JUST, THANK YOU.
I JUST THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING OFFERING THAT EXPLANATION.
MY QUESTION IS JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO YES, THERE'S INCREASE THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
WHERE DOES THAT INCREASE HAPPEN IN OUR TAXES? IS IT GONNA BE LIKE OUR SIMILAR TO OUR SEWER BILL WHEN THINGS HAPPEN OVER THERE? 'CAUSE IN THE THREE YEARS THAT KIND OF WENT UP A HUNDRED BUCKS.
AND AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER POLICE GUY.
WE'RE GROWING HANK, WE DEFINITELY DO.
WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SO I APPRECIATE THE THE EXPLANATION.
BUT I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND HOW DOES THAT ARTICULATE TO TAXES GOING UP A LITTLE BIT MORE? BECAUSE EVERY TIME NEW BUILDINGS COME IN, ALL THESE NEW HOMES, MY TAXES GO UP.
SO EVENTUALLY I'M GONNA BE TAXED OUT OF MY HOUSE AND I'M GONNA BE LOOKING FOR A ROOMMATE
SO IT'S, IT IS APPROXIMATELY $60 PER HASSLE OKAY.
IS WHAT IT COMES OUT TO PER YEAR.
NOW IS THAT SEPARATE OR IS THAT GONNA BE INVOLVED IN? IT'S GONNA BE PART OF THE, UM, THE MILLAGE.
SO IT WOULD BE ON THE REGULAR TAX BILL.
IT'S PROPERTY TAX, SO IT IS EVERY PROPERTY INCLUDING COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES IN QUESTION TOO.
WELL THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT.
I REALLY, REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT.
DID YOU CONTINUE? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THAT'S, THAT'S IT.
SO I GUESS WE NEED TO PASS A MOTION TO ADVERTISE.
IT'S CALLED PASS FOR A MOTION TO A ADVERTISE THE 2025 OPERATING CAPITAL BUDGET.
MAKE A MOTION TO ADVERTISE THE 25 OPERATING CAPITAL BUDGET.
ALRIGHT, NOW WE'RE ON TO ANOTHER PRESENTATION.
THIS ONE IS FOR THE, UM, INTRODUCTION TO TOWNSHIP ABOVE THE PROVINCE, 10 YEAR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OVER JEFF.
I, I WON'T BELABOR THIS BECAUSE I GET TO DO THAT IN NOVEMBER WHEN I HAVE A HEARING.
SO IT'S JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE SAT DOWN WITH THE BOARD, UM, SOMETIME I WOULD SAY IN SPRING, MARCH, MAY, SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE LAND USE PLAN, WE TALKED ABOUT ZONING UPDATES.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN TERMS OF POPULATION AND HOUSING AND HOW ALL
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OF THOSE THINGS IMPACTED THE TOWNSHIP AND WHERE THE TOWNSHIP WAS EXPECTING TO GO.UM, I'LL HAVE MORE DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF IT, BUT GENERALLY WE MEET OUR HOUSING NEED, WE MEET OUR HOUSING, UM, FAIR SHARE.
AND WHEN I SAY FAIR SHARE, I MEAN THAT BY STATE LAW WE HAVE TO PROVIDE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, UM, A MULTI-FAMILY AND A VARIETY OF HOUSES, UM, IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IN OUR ZONING.
AND, AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GOES THROUGH THAT ANALYSIS AND DETERMINES THAT WE REALLY DO MEET THAT.
AND BASED ON THE POPULATION GROWTH THAT IS DETERMINED FOR THE TOWNSHIP, UM, WE MEET THE HOUSING NEED THAT, THAT AS WE GROW AND AS THE LAND, AS SOME LAND DEVELOPS AND SOME LAND IS PRESERVED, WHICH IS THE OVERALL THEME OF THE, OF THE, OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AS SOME LAND IS REDEVELOPED THAT WILL CONTINUE TO MEET OUR HOUSING NEED.
WE DON'T NEED TO LOOK AT, FOR EXAMPLE, WE DON'T NEED TO LOOK AT CHANGING, UM, SOME AREAS THAT ARE NOT DEVELOPED INTO AREAS TO DEVELOP OR AREAS TO HAVE HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT.
GENERALLY LEAVING THEM R ONE IS ACCEPTABLE.
OR IN THIS CASE WHAT WE TALK ABOUT IS OPEN SPACE PRESERVATION.
AS I SAID, THE OVERALL THEME OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS REDEVELOPMENT AND PRESERVATION.
THE FIRST LINE OF OPEN SPACE PRESERVATION.
THE SECOND AVENUE AREA, THE HOLLOW ROAD AREA, AND THE WALKER TRACK.
AND TO BE PERFECTLY FRANK, AND TO BURY THE LEAD A LITTLE BIT, THE BOARD'S ALREADY MADE SOME EFFORT TO, TO PRESERVE THE WALKER TRACK.
WE'VE COME INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY AND MR. WALKER TO, TO BUY THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS OF THAT PROPERTY.
UM, I'M JUST KEEPING IT IN HERE 'CAUSE IT'S A WIN OUT OF THE BOX.
THE COMP PLANT, UM, THE AREA OF HOLLOW ROAD IS AN AREA THAT, THAT IS, UM, BEHIND SOME DEVELOPMENTS IN BETWEEN SOME DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAS NOT DEVELOPED YET.
AGAIN WITH MOST OF THE PROPERTY IN THIS TOWNSHIP.
AS WE KNOW FROM SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS IN FRONT OF US AND, AND THE LAND THAT HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED, IT'S A CHALLENGE TO DEVELOP ANYTHING LEFT IN THIS TOWNSHIP.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT WE SHOULD, I'M JUST SAYING THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THOSE LAND DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS THAT COME IN, THERE'S MORE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS, THERE'S MORE, THERE'S MORE STREAMS, THERE'S MORE STEEP SLOPES, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
I MEAN, AND, AND WE TRY TO ACCOUNT FOR THOSE AND UNDERSTAND THOSE AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE SAID WHAT OPEN SPACE PRESERVATION FOR THESE MEAN AREAS OF FOCUS.
UM, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THE AREAS THAT WHEN WE, ONCE THIS IS APPROVED, ASSUMING THIS IS APPROVED, WE WILL LOOK AT WHETHER WE CAN BUY SOME DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS FROM SOME OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, BUY THE PROPERTY OUTRIGHT, WHICH ISN'T QUITE OUR PREFERENCE BECAUSE WE WANT, WE'D RATHER HAVE A HOMEOWNER STAY WITH, YOU KNOW, A LARGER PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT THEY WOULD KEEP AND MAYBE FARM, MAYBE JUST RETURN TO MEADOW, RETURN TO FOREST, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, THE, THE NEXT STEP IS REALLY REDEVELOPMENT AND THAT'S AREAS THAT ARE ALREADY DEVELOPED, WHETHER THAT'S THE ROUTE 29 CAMPUS DRIVE INTERCHANGE, THE OAKS INTERCHANGE OR THE RIDGE PIPE CORRIDOR.
IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THREE OF THOSE AREAS, THEY ARE UNDERUTILIZED.
I MEAN, JUST THE ROUTE 29 INTERCHANGE CAMPUS DRIVE, THAT AREA HAS TWO OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT ARE, ONE IS PARTIALLY USED, I WOULD SAY THERE'S ONE LEASE HOLDER FOR TWO BUILDINGS.
THERE'S ANOTHER BUILDING THAT'S COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY EMPTY.
SAME THING WITH QUEST HERE THAT WE'RE GONNA HEAR ABOUT IN A LITTLE BIT FROM THE, FROM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION.
THESE ARE OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT DON'T CONTRIBUTE TO OUR TAX BASE ANYMORE.
WE DON'T GET ANY EARNED INCOME TAX FROM, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY EMPLOYEES.
WE BARELY GET ANY PROPERTY TAX FROM BECAUSE WHEN THESE BUILDINGS ARE EMPTY, THEY, UM, THE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS APPLY TO HAVE THEIR ASSESSMENT REDUCED SO THAT THEIR IMPACT SO THAT THEY'RE NOT PAYING AS MUCH TAXES.
SO, AND UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T CONTROL THAT, THAT'S A BOARD OF ASSESSMENT DECISION.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY SAY IN THAT.
WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS UNDERSTAND THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE'S IN PLACE AT ROUTE 29 AND THE OAKS INTERCHANGE AND THE RIDGE PIKE CORRIDOR AND TO SAY, LET'S SEE HOW WE CAN BUILD ON THAT EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AND REBUILD OUR TAX BASE FOR THOSE AREAS THAT ONCE CONTRIBUTED THAT DON'T.
NOW, UM, OAKS INTERCHANGE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
I PUT WE PUT THAT IN HERE BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY A MODEL OF ZONING.
AND YOU SEE INDUSTRIAL, YOU SEE RECREATION, YOU SEE RETAIL, UM, YOU SEE SOME EMPTY BUILDINGS THAT IS A DISTRICT AND AREA THAT HASN'T BEEN TOUCHED IN DECADES IN TERMS OF, UM, ZONING OR CONTROLS OR EVEN LOOKING AT HOW DO WE ENCOURAGE THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WE, WE MAY WANT DOWN THERE.
I KNOW FEDEX WENT IN AND WHILE THAT WAS, I THINK HAS BEEN A BENEFICIAL LAND USER DOWN THERE, DO WE WANT TO SEE THAT MOVE TOWARDS, UH, YOU KNOW, A PURE DISTRIBUTION CENTER? PROBABLY NOT.
AND I THINK WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION WHERE WE WANT TO SEE A MIXTURE OF USES DOWN THERE, CONTROL OF THE TRAFFIC, BUT A REDEVELOPMENT IN A, SOMETHING THAT'S A, AS YOU DRIVE INTO THIS TOWNSHIP, YOU'RE SEEING A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN JUST THE BEAT UP BE AT GOODRIDGE BUILDING.
AND I AM, I'M NOT, I ALWAYS, WHENEVER I GET INTO THIS, I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE I'M BASHING ON, ON LAND DEVELOPMENT A LITTLE BIT.
AS THE OWNER, THEY HAVE DONE A REMARKABLE JOB OF KEEPING THAT SITE GOING, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ABOUT TAKING TO THE NEXT LEVEL.
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OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE COMP PLAN.WE ALSO ARE GONNA LOOK AT IT AT ZONING VIABILITY FOR A FEW AREAS.
THE FIRST, THE LOWER LEFT CIRCLE IS AN AREA AT LONGFORD AND HOLLOW.
I'VE BEEN APPROACHED BY THAT DEVELOPER FOR MULTIFAMILY, FOR TOWNHOUSES AND MULTIFAMILY MIXTURE.
WE HAVEN'T, I MEAN WE'VE TOLD HIM FROM A, FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, WE DON'T SEE ANYTHING DOWN THERE.
WE DON'T THINK MULTIFAMILY IS GOOD DOWN THERE.
LONGFORD ROAD ISN'T QUITE ENOUGH TO HANDLE A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
THE OTHER AVENUE OUT WOULD BE WALNUT AND JACOBS AND FOR PROVIDENCE.
SO, BUT INDUSTRIAL'S NOT WORKING DOWN THERE EITHER BECAUSE THAT'S AN AREA WHERE IF IT BECOMES INDUSTRIAL AND TRUCKS ARE COMING IN AND OUT, LONGFORD ROAD CAN'T SUSTAIN THAT MORE THAN IT ALREADY DOES.
THERE'S ALREADY SOME INDUSTRIAL THERE.
BUT WHAT DOES THE ZONING LOOK LIKE DOWN THERE AND LIKE, HOW DO WE MOVE THAT FORWARD IF WE CHOOSE TO? AT MANY OF THESE OPTIONS, THESE ARE POLICIES THAT WE SORT OF BRING FORWARD.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION LOOKS AT THEM, THEY MAY COME UP WITH AN IDEA, THEY MAY ASK ME TO WRITE SOME ZONING AND THEN WE BRING IT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THAT'S THE NEXT STEP.
AFTER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE SORT OF IDENTIFY THESE AREAS OF CONCERN AND THEN WE START TACKLING THEM.
AND YOU'LL SEE AT THE, THE THIRD SLIDE I HAVE SORT OF WHAT THAT PRIORITY IS.
AND THE SECOND AREA IS AN AREA AT EGYPT AND LONGFORD ROAD.
IT'S IT'S RESIDENTIAL, IT'S R TWO.
UM, AND AGAIN, IS THAT THE BEST USE FOR THAT PROPERTY AT THIS POINT? IT'S TOWNHOUSES ACROSS THE STREET, IT'S INDUSTRIAL, YOU KNOW, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF IT.
THOSE AREN'T THE HIGHEST PRIORITY ITEMS AS YOU'LL SEE, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE THINGS THAT WE IDENTIFIED WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION DURING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS OF WHERE AREAS THAT WE NEED TO, TO THINK ABOUT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THERE OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
UM, SAME THING WITH THE REVIEW OF THE LEARNING DISTRICTS.
THIS TOWNSHIP FOR THE, FOR THE LONGEST TIME HAS BEEN DEVELOPED WITH THE IDEA OF LARGE PARCELS, YOU KNOW, THE CORNER OF OF BLACKROCK IN 29, YOU KNOW, 200 ACRES PARCELS LIKE THAT, THAT THAT WERE DEVELOPED WITH ONE COHESIVE IDEA WITH AND LANIO.
SOME PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE AREN'T GONNA LIKE IT WITH A LOT OF HOUSES AND, AND, AND THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WENT IN WITH IT.
THAT'S NOT THE DEVELOPMENT WE'RE GONNA SEE OVER THE NEXT 10 TO 15 YEARS.
WE HAVE A LOT OF SMALL PARCELS LEFT AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE TOWNSHIP? WHAT DO WE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE INFILL LIKE FOR THE AREAS THAT, THAT ARE OLDER? AND I'M NOT SAYING NECESSARILY MONTCLAIR OLDER, BUT EVEN JUST OAKS AND ROCHE WERE OLDER.
I MEAN THOSE, YOU CAN SORT OF LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE TOWNSHIP OF MONTCLAIR AND THEN THE OAKS AREA AND THE AGE OF THOSE BUILDINGS AND THOSE ARE GONNA REDEVELOP AND YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOME PUSH IF, IF YOU NOTICE FROM THE ZONING HEARING BOARD APPLICATIONS, WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF PUSH FOR IN-LAW SUITES AND ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND WHILE I STILL THINK IT'S GOOD TO GO TO THE ZONING HEARING BOARD, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD UNDERSTAND MAY IMPACT US OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS AND GET A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR.
SO AS WE LOOK AT SOME OF THESE ZONING DISTRICTS, COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL, THE INTERCHANGE OFFICE, THE RESIDENTIAL OPTIONS, AND THE SPECIALTY DISTRICTS, WHAT DO THEY, WHAT DO THEY LOOK LIKE OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS? AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE PRIORITY LIST OF, OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING.
UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS DONE IS THEY'VE TAKEN ALL OF THESE ITEMS AND I ENCOURAGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS ON THE WEBSITE.
SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO GO OUT THERE AND LOOK AT IT.
IT'S NOT HUGE, IT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED PAGES.
I TRIED TO MAKE IT SO IT WASN'T LIKE READING WARM PEACE.
UM, BUT I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO GO LOOK AT IT.
AND WHAT IT DOES IS IT TAKES THESE GLOBAL IDEAS OF WHAT'S IMPACTED THE TOWNSHIP, WHAT IT'S BEEN LIKE FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS, THE POPULATION.
AND IT BOILS IT DOWN TO REALLY THESE ACTION ITEMS. AND I, I, GRANTED THESE ARE A LITTLE HARD TO READ, BUT THE IDEA IS TO PUT THESE ACTION ITEMS IN PLACE AND THEN OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS TACKLE 'EM.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION WENT THROUGH AND THEY PUT THEIR PRIORITIES ON THERE.
YOU CAN SEE HIGH, MEDIUM, MEDIUM PLUS I KIND OF LET THEM HAVE A LITTLE LATITUDE WITH THAT.
BUT, UM, AND LOW AND LOW PLUS.
SO AS WE MOVE INTO NEXT YEAR, IF THIS IS ADOPTED AS WE MOVE INTO NEXT YEAR, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL LOOK AT OPEN SPACE PRESERVATION PROGRAMS AND DESIGN GUIDELINES, UPDATING THE OFFICIAL MAP, UPDATING THE RIGHT OF WAY MAP, UM, THE TENTATIVE SKETCH STANDARDS.
UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WILL, WILL KNOCK OFF THE THINGS IN THE HIGH PRIORITY IN THE FIRST YEAR OR TWO.
THEN WE'LL LOOK AT THE MEDIUM PRIORITY AND START TO TACKLE THOSE AND MOVE THROUGH THAT.
AND EVENTUALLY WE'LL GET TO THE LOW PRIORITY ITEMS AND EITHER AT THAT POINT SOMETHING WILL HAVE CHANGED.
'CAUSE INEVITABLY WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS SOMETHING THAT WE CONSIDER A LOW PRIORITY.
SOMEONE WILL DROP AN APPLICATION OR SAY, HEY LOOK, I WANNA DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY.
IT WILL MOVE SOMETHING LOW UP TO SOMETHING HIGH BECAUSE WE HAVE AN IMMEDIATE CONCERN WITH THAT.
THAT'S THE WAY OF PLANNING AND THAT'S THE WAY IT GOES.
BUT THESE ARE SORT OF WHAT, THESE ARE SORT OF THE, THE END RESULT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WHAT WE WANT TO, UM, MAKE SURE IT'S PRIORITIZED AT THE WAY WE WANT IT SO FOR RIGHT NOW, WE DO HAVE THE PLAN OUT THERE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW FOR MULTIM MUNICIPAL REVIEW.
I ENCOURAGE THE BOARD TO LOOK AT IT AND IF THEY SEE ANY IN HERE THAT THEY REALLY
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THINK, WELL, I REALLY THINK THE, UH, THE, UH, THE LONGFORD ROAD ZONING EVALUATION STUDY IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT.I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT MOVED UP TO HIGH.
I MEAN, THOSE ARE THINGS WE CAN TALK ABOUT AT THE HEARING AND, AND MOVE FARTHER UP AND MOVE, MOVE THINGS AROUND IT AS THE BOARD WANTS TO.
SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT THIS.
I ENCOURAGE THE AUDIENCE TO DO THE SAME.
IT IS A HEARING, SO THERE WILL BE TIME FOR, IT WON'T BE PUBLIC COMMENT.
THERE WILL BE TIME DURING THE HEARING FOR THE PUBLIC TO PUT THEIR 2 CENTS IN.
SO IF THEY, IF THEY HAVE PARTIES, AND WE, WE'VE DONE THIS AT MULTIPLE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS OVER THE LAST SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS, I WOULD SAY AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WE'VE GOTTEN SOME GOOD FEEDBACK FROM THE AUDIENCE.
UM, A LOT OF THE REGULARS, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS SORT OF WEIGH IN.
SO I'M ALWAYS LOOKING FOR MORE.
WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT MONTH IS WE'LL HAVE AN OFFICIAL, WE WILL HAVE AN ACTUAL HEARING.
I'M NOT GOING TO DRAG IT OUT FOR HALF AN HOUR, 45 MINUTES I THINK IT IS OUT THERE.
AND IF THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES, THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THOSE.
AND I'LL PROBABLY GIVE A, A LITTLE BRIEF OVERVIEW OF SORT OF HOW WE BOILED IT DOWN.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MOVE THE, THE BOARD MEETING ALONG.
SO, BUT WE WILL HAVE THAT HEARING.
THE HEARING IS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
NO, THE HEARING IS HERE AT, AT THE BOARD AT THE 18TH.
IS THAT THE NEXT MEETING? 18TH.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DONE WITH THIS.
PLANNING COMMISSION'S DONE WITH THIS.
THEY HAVE MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE, UM, THIS IS NOT RELATED TO THIS, BUT WE TALKED, UH, LAST MEETING IN THE MEETING BEFORE ABOUT POTENTIALLY DOING A OPEN SPACE, UH, REFERENDUM NEXT YEAR.
AND I THINK THE FIRST THING IN THAT PROCESS WOULD TO THE, TO DEVELOP AN OPPORTUNITY MAP, RIGHT? THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE BY, BY NATURAL LANDS TRUST.
THAT'S PART OF THEIR, THAT'S PART OF THEIR SCOPE OF WORK.
HAVE THEY, HAVE THEY BEGUN THAT? I, I, YES.
DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHEN WE'LL SEE THAT? WELL, THE CONTRACT WAS SIGNED A FEW WEEKS AGO, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE WORKING ON, HELLO AGAIN.
UM, CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME, ALBA? 1 28 PATRIOT DRIVE.
WHEN, UH, THIS, THIS TOWNSHIP WAS ZONED VERY WELL.
WHOEVER DID IT HOW MANY YEARS AGO? 30.
BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, FOR MANY YEARS, EVEN A FEW YEARS AGO, THEY SAID, OH, WELL THE TOWNSHIP'S BUILT UP.
AND I, HELENE, MS. CAST, YOU KNOW, I'VE SAID THIS NOW, NOW IT'S HARD.
IT'S HARDER NOW TO, TO DEVELOP THE TOWNSHIP.
'CAUSE YOU'RE PUTTING SQUARE PEGS IN ROUND HOLES AND YOUR ANSWER JUST CAN'T BE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF OPEN SPACE HERE ALREADY AND WE WANT OPEN SPACE.
BUT, UH, THE PEOPLE, RESIDENTS, THE SMALL THREE ACRE THING, THEY'RE GONNA COME IN AND THE ANSWER'S NOT.
THE ANSWER IS, WHAT CAN WE GET OUT OF THIS? WHAT CAN WE MUTUALLY WORK OUT TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM? OTHERWISE, YOU'RE GONNA JUST HAVE TOTAL CHAOS.
YOU JUST HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER WITH THE PEOPLE OUT HERE WHO COME UP IN FRONT OF YOU AND FIND A SOLUTION.
'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S HARD TO, FOR YOUR JOB.
THIS GROUP HERE RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE A MUCH HARDER JOB DEVELOPMENT WISE THAN THE BOARD DID 10 YEARS AGO.
IT WAS EASY TO PUT 84 HOMES ON HOPWOOD ROAD.
IT WAS EASY TO PUT 200 HOMES SOMEWHERE.
NOW, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT SIX HOMES AND, AND ALL THE RESIDENTS ARE REMAIN, YOU'RE GONNA GET, YOU'RE GONNA GET PEOPLE MAD AT YOU.
HOW ABOUT KEEPING THE OPEN SPACE WE HAVE NOW? THAT WOULD BE A START.
ARE WE GOOD WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS OR THE NEXT STEP IS, IT'S GONNA COME BEFORE US.
NEXT, THE NEXT STEP IS WE WILL HAVE A HEARING NEXT MONTH AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR NORMAL MONTHLY MEETING.
DO WE NEED TO ADVERTISE IT? NO.
IT, IT IS ADVERTISE YOU AUTHORIZE, ADVERTISE BACK IN ADVERTISEMENT BACK IN SEPTEMBER.
AND WE, THAT ALSO INCLUDED MAILING IT TO ALL THE, ALL OF THE ADJACENT MUNICIPALITIES, WHICH, 'CAUSE WE SIT RIGHT IN CHESTER COUNTY IS A LOT COMPARATIVELY.
WE'VE RECEIVED ONE COMMENT BACK.
I EXPECT TO HEAR FROM CHESTER COUNTY AND MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
USUALLY, TYPICALLY THE, THE COUNTIES ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT REALLY SEND ANYTHING BACK.
TRAFFIC HAS SAID THAT THEY LIKE TO PLAN WITH SOME, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS ABOUT TRAFFIC AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, WE HAVE ANOTHER PRESENTATION.
THIS IS FROM, UH, THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL.
YEAH, SO, UH, YEAH, WE JUST WANTED TO REPORT TO YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL
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ADVISORY COMMITTEE.THE ONE THING THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON IS THE LOCAL CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
AND THE, UH, THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN IS, IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, WAS CREATED BY THE, UH, PENNSYLVANIA, DEP.
AND, UH, WE HAVE PENN STATE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL STUDENTS WORKING ON AN ASSESSMENT.
AND, AND THE AS ASSESSMENT IS REALLY ABOUT WHAT IS THE ENERGY USE WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP.
WHEN, WHEN WE STARTED WORKING WITH THEM, WE, WE HAD A, A DECISION TO MAKE.
DID WE WANT TO DO JUST THE TOWNSHIP FACILITIES AND PROPERTY AND ASSESS THAT? OR DO WE WANT TO DO A TOWNSHIP WIDE ASSESSMENT? AND WE'RE DOING THE TOWNSHIP WIDE ASSESSMENT.
UM, SO, SO, UH, WE'RE HAVING A JOINT MEETING WITH, UH, WITH THE PENN STATE STUDENTS, WITH OUR PARKS AND REC, UH, COMMITTEE AND WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON DECEMBER 11TH.
AND WE'LL, YOU KNOW, BE CARRYING THAT, UH, PLAN FORWARD.
I WOULD GUESS THAT WE'LL HAVE A, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME RECOMMENDATIONS PROBABLY LATE SPRING, EARLY SUMMER.
DO YOU THINK THAT'S THE IDEA? IS, IS WE'LL HAVE A, UM, WE'LL HAVE THE JOINT MEETING OF THE PARK BOARD AND THE, AND THE EAC C IS GONNA HAPPEN ON DECEMBER 11TH.
UM, THAT WILL, WE'RE MOVING THE EAC MEETING FROM NOVEMBER TO, TO DECEMBER TO HAVE THAT JOINT MEETING.
THEY WILL PRESENT A LOT OF THEIR FINDINGS THEN ABOUT WHAT THEY'VE DISCOVERED AND, 'CAUSE THEY'RE DOING A BUNCH OF RESEARCH AT PICO AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THEN WE'LL COME UP WITH A, A PLAN AND THEY'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT THROUGH THE NEXT SEMESTER IN THE SPRING SEMESTER.
AND THEN WE'RE NOT EVEN SURE IF THAT'S GONNA GO, THAT'S KIND OF UP TO PENN STATE.
IT MAY BE, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU CAN TAKE THE NEXT STEP IN, IN ENERGY CONSERVATION OR, UM, YOU KNOW, A MORE SPECIFIC PLAN OF, YOU KNOW, REDUCE THIS, YOUR FLEET SHOULD BE DOING THIS.
WE DON'T KNOW IT, IT IS KIND OF, SINCE WE'RE VERY DU WE THINK IT'S GONNA BE VERY GENERAL AND VERY, VERY HIGH LEVEL.
AND THEN IF WE WANT TO TAKE SOME STEPS FROM THAT, IT, IT'S, AGAIN, A LITTLE BIT OF A POLICY DECISION AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE, THE LOCAL, LOCAL CLIMATE ACTION PLAN PROCESS.
IS THIS SOMETHING THE STUDENTS ARE WORKING ON AS A PROJECT? YES.
THEY HAVE A, UM, IT'S A CLASS THAT THEY TAKE.
IT'S A, IT IS A CAPSTONE CLASS THAT THEY TAKE.
UM, DCED FUNDS IT, WE WE'RE NOT PAYING ANYTHING FOR IT OTHER THAN TYPICAL STAFF TIME, WHICH ISN'T EVEN THAT MUCH STAFF TIME.
SO IT'S, IT IS A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS, SO WE'RE JOINING THAT.
I MEAN, THEY'LL, THEY'LL, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY IDENTIFY SOME ACTION ITEMS. YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY.
UH, ANOTHER THING THAT'S BEING WORKED ON IS, UH, UH, WHICH IS THE SECOND ITEM UP HERE, STUDENTS FROM THE SPRING FORD SCHOOL DISTRICT.
SO THE EAC WAS APPROACHED BY FOUR STUDENTS FROM SPRING FORD SCHOOL DISTRICT SEVENTH GRADE CENTER, ABOUT PUTTING TOGETHER AN ENTRY FOR IMAGE CUP JUNIOR, A MICROSOFT SPONSORED WORLDWIDE APPLICATION DEVELOPMENT COMPETITION AIMED AT, AIMED AT 13 TO 18-YEAR-OLD STUDENTS.
AND AT THE EACS DIRECTION, THE STUDENTS ARE, UH, CURRENTLY RESEARCHING STORMWATER CONTROLS AND WILL BE ATTENDING THIS JOINT MEETING ON DECEMBER 11TH AS WELL.
UH, AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, USING WHAT WE MIGHT FIND IN THE, UH, CLIMATE ACTION PLAN TO HELP DEVELOP THIS, UH, THIS APPLICATION THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON.
UM, THE THIRD THING WE'RE WORKING ON ARE THE ORDINANCES, UH, THE PLASTIC BAG, UH, AND, AND SINGLE USE PLASTIC REDUCTION INITIATIVE.
AND THE, UH, GRASS CUTTING AND, UH, UM, WEED ORDINANCE, MEADOW CONVERSION ORDINANCE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE REVIEWING THOSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'LL, WE'LL BE PRESENTING RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU GUYS AFTER WE, UH, GET THOSE OVER.
AND THEN, UH, MOVING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT YEAR, WE HOPE TO BRING MORE AWARENESS TO THE PUBLIC THAT, THAT THE EAC DOES EXIST.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE, WE, FROM THE START HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE, UM, UH, SO MANY HOAS, WHICH IS A, A GREAT THING BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, ENTITIES THAT ARE CONTROLLING HOW, UH, THEY'RE TAKING CARE OF THEIR PROPERTIES AND OPPORTUNITIES TO IMPROVE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES TO MAYBE DO SOME, UH, LAWN THE MEADOW CONVERSIONS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
SO THAT'LL BE ANOTHER THING WE'LL BE, UH, WORKING TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, BRINGING THEM ON
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BOARD AND, UH, HAVING SOME PRESENTATIONS.UM, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE, UH, PARTICULARLY ON THE PLASTIC POTENTIAL PLASTIC BAG ORDINANCE? ARE WE SURVEYING ANY BUSINESS OWNERS CUSTOMER BASE? YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, OUR, OUR MAIN GROCER IN THE TOWNSHIP, I WAS GONNA SAY OUR ONLY GROCER, BUT TARGET, I GUESS TECHNICALLY IS A GROCERY NOW TOO, BUT HAS GONE AWAY FROM PLASTIC BAGS.
BUT I WONDER WITH SOME OF THE SMALLER BUSINESSES, HOW MUCH OF AN INCONVENIENCE IS I, I, I REALLY DON'T MIND PAYING A 10 CENTS FOR A BAG, BUT I GO TO THE KING OF HAM MALL.
I THINK LAST WEEK I PAID $2 FOR A PAPER BAG.
IT'S, WE'RE CHARGE YOU FOR PAPER.
NOW, I HAVEN'T SHARED THIS TO BILL BECAUSE I ONLY HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH LINDA BRUNEY, OUR COMMUNICATION SPECIALIST THAT WE, OUR OUTSIDE COMMUNICATION SPECIALIST THAT WE USE.
UM, SHE HAS DONE THIS BEFORE WITH OTHER OF HER, SOME OF OUR OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, AND SHE HAS A PROGRAM WHERE IT'S LIKE, GET THE WORD OUT, GET THE INITIATIVE OUT, REACH OUT TO, TO SOME PEOPLE.
SO I HOPE TO TALK TO HER ABOUT THAT VERY SOON IN MORE DETAIL.
THIS IS A VERY QUICK CONVERSATION WE HAD, BUT WE WILL BE USING THAT RESOURCE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE AT THE TOWNSHIP TO GET THE WORD OUT AND GET SOME DISCUSSION OUT ABOUT IT.
HOPEFULLY, I EXPECT TO BRING THE ORDINANCE TO YOU, AND I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO PASS IT THE FIRST TIME YOU SEE IT, OBVIOUSLY, BUT TO SORT OF GIVE YOU THE PROGRAM OF HOW WE CAN LAY THAT OUT AND OVER TIME, YOU KNOW, MAKE THAT WORK.
I WONDER WHEN YOU SAY MAKE THAT WORK, WE HAVE HOW WE ENFORCE IT.
WELL, THAT'S PART OF THE WHOLE, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
AND I AGREE WITH BILL, LIKE, SMALL PERSON, LIKE ER'S, FARM MARKET, LIKE BE CAREFUL WITH THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS.
I MEAN, FORTUNATELY WE'RE NOT THE FIRST MUNICIPALITY THAT IS CONSIDERING THIS OR ADOPTING ONE.
SO I THINK A LOT OF THE, ESPECIALLY THE BIGGER, UM, UM, FRANCHISED, UM, ESTABLISHMENTS, THERE ARE OTHER BRANCHES ARE, ARE DEALING WITH THIS IN OTHER PLACES.
SO, UH, AND, AND FROM WHAT I'VE QUICKLY READ THROUGH OUR, OUR, THE ONE THAT WAS DRAFTED FOR US, IT'S REALLY NOT THAT HARSH.
AND, AND IT'S ALMOST DESIGNED TO BE SELF-POLICING.
IT, THAT'S FROM MY POINT OF VIEW.
PARDON ME? IT SHOULD BE AT THIS POINT.
YEAH, YOU SHOULD WANT TO DO IT.
ANYBODY ELSE COMMENTS? THANKS, THAT WAS REALLY INFORMATIVE.
ALL RIGHT, NOW WE'RE ON TO REGULAR, UH, WORKING AGENDA HERE.
UM, WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER DOCUMENT RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 35, GRANTING TENTATIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR 1201 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD.
UH, MY NAME'S DEBORAH S SCHULSKY WITH THE FIRM OF RILEY VIPER HOLLAND RECO.
WE ARE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
ALSO WANT TO INTRODUCE MY TEAM TO YOU THIS EVENING.
I'M HERB SCHULTZ, HE'S OUR ARCHITECT.
I'M JENNIFER ROSENBERG ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER, OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, GREG RICHARDSON.
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, OUR CIVIL ENGINEER, UH, DENNIS CARRIER.
UM, AND YOU'LL PROBABLY RECALL THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY WAS REZONED FROM OFFICE TO COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER TO ALLOW FOR A MIXED USE, UH, TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE PLAN THAT WE'LL BE SHOWING YOU THIS EVENING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN THAT YOU PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT REZONING TO ALLOW FOR MIXED USE, UM, CONSISTING OF 61 STACKED TOWNHOUSES, UH, ALONG WITH A COMMERCIAL ELEMENT OF APPROXIMATELY 148,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL.
AND WE, WE HAVE REVIEW LETTERS THAT ARE MENTIONED UP ON THE SCREEN THIS EVENING.
UM, WE'RE HAPPY AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME AFTER WE WALK YOU THROUGH THE PLAN.
REAL QUICKLY, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.
WE WERE BEFORE YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, THIS MONTH AND RECEIVED A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION ON THE 10 OF SKETCH PLAN FROM THE PLAN COMMISSION.
SO WITH THAT INITIAL INTRODUCTION, I'M JUST GONNA TURN IT OVER TO, UM, IRV, WHO WAS GONNA JUST GIVE YOU A VERY OVERVIEW REMINDER OF THE PLAN THAT YOU PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
MR. POWERPOINT, UH, THIS WOULD BE GOOD.
UM, YOU'RE ALL GENERALLY FAMILIAR WITH THIS SITE, OBVIOUSLY, AND, UH, WITH THIS PLAN, I'LL QUICKLY WALK YOU THROUGH JUST TO SORT OF REORIENT, UH, EVERYBODY WATCHING.
SO THIS IS, UM, YOU 29 BLACKROCK ROAD COMES ALONG THIS WAY.
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EXISTING SIGNALED, UH, TURN IN THAT WE'RE GONNA BE REUTILIZING, UH, FOR THE MAIN INGRESS AND EGRESS FOR THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THE SITE.UH, WE ARE PROPOSING, UM, A, A RIGHT TURN IN RIGHT TURNOUT ONLY, UH, ENTRANCE HERE, UH, AS SORT OF A, A SPILLWAY, YOU KNOW, FOR EGRESS.
UH, THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION IS HERE WITH AN ENLARGED, UM, UH, CURB CUT AT THE NORTH END.
AND, UH, THE HISTORIC HOUSE, UH, THAT WE'RE PLANNING ON MAINTAINING IS HERE.
UH, AS FAR AS THE PLAN REVISIONS, THE ONLY REAL CHANGE HERE, I THINK, FROM WHAT YOU'VE SEEN LAST IS, IF YOU RECALL THIS, THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY A, A ONE CONTIGUOUS V-SHAPED BUILDING.
UM, WE KIND OF SPLIT THESE APART TO INCLUDE SOME MORE, UH, OUTDOOR SPACE, SORT OF PROGRAMMED OUTDOOR SPACE.
YOU'LL SEE SOME RENDERINGS HERE IN A MINUTE TO KIND OF, UH, SHOW THAT.
UM, SO THESE ARE, UH, THE, THE BIG BOXES IN THE BACK.
UM, WE'RE SPEAKING WITH SOME, SOME GROCER TENANTS CURRENTLY, AND, UH, SOME AND SOME LARGER TENANTS.
SO THIS IS SORT OF THE REVISIONS THAT I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT.
SO THIS, THESE BUILDINGS WERE PREVIOUSLY ONE LARGE BUILDING.
UM, WE'RE BASICALLY CARVING OUT SOME OUTDOOR SPACE HERE.
UH, OUR, YOU KNOW, THE CONCEPT IS TO HAVE A COUPLE OF RESTAURANTS SORT OF FACING INTO THIS, UH, COURTYARD, UH, JUST TO GET SOME OUTDOOR SEATINGS AND DINING, UH, DINING AREAS, SEATING GROUPS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THESE ARE SOME IMAGES OF THE SMALLER, UH, PAD SITES.
AGAIN, UM, JUST A COUPLE OF, UH, OF, OF VIEWS.
UH, THIS IS, THE BUILDING IS FARTHEST TOWARDS, UH, 4 22.
AND THEN THESE ARE TWO, UM, TWO, UH, ONE BUILDING TWO TENANTS NEXT.
SO THESE ARE SOME VIEWS, UH, OF THE TOWNHOUSES.
THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE, UM, THE PARKING LOT IN FRONT OF THE, UH, THE BOX STORES LOOKING UP.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE TRYING TO RE REUSE AS MUCH OF THE TREES, UH, THAT ARE THERE AS POSSIBLE.
UM, THAT ALWAYS SEEMED LIKE A NATURAL BREAK AS WE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY.
UM, AND THEN, UH, JUST A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, WALKING PATHS THAT WE'RE GONNA, UH, IMPLEMENT THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD A LOT FROM, UH, FROM EVERYONE, FROM, FROM YOU FOLKS AND FROM PLANNING ABOUT KEEPING THIS HISTORIC HOUSE.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE ARE COMMITTED TO DOING THE REBUILD.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S IN PRETTY, PRETTY SOLID DISREPAIR.
UM, BUT THE, OUR GOAL, HOPEFULLY IS TO HAVE A PROGRAM SPACE OUT HERE.
UM, WE'RE CONNECTING, WELL, THERE'S AN EXISTING WALKWAY ALONG BLACKROCK ROAD NOW.
UH, WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO SORT OF CARRY THAT AROUND 29 UP, UH, TO THE NORTH END OF THE SITE.
AND, UH, WE ARE GONNA DO SO, SO THIS SORT OF TERMINATES RIGHT AT THIS, AT THIS SPACE.
SO WE SEE THIS AS BEING A GOOD, A GOOD ACTIVATION POINT FOR, UH, FOR PEDESTRIANS.
PARKING FOR THE RESIDENT AREA.
IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL PARKING BESIDES WHAT'S IN THE GARAGE AND WHAT'S IN THE DRIVEWAY.
SO WE HAVE CARVED OUT 22 ADDITIONAL SPACES HERE.
I WILL SAY THAT, UM, ONE OF THE COMMENTS HEARD FROM PLANNING, UH, WAS THE DESIRE TO HAVE MORE, UH, ACCESSORY PARKING, MORE VISITOR PARKING FOR THE, THE TOWNHOUSES.
WE'RE WORKING ON A PLAN TO DO THAT CURRENTLY.
UM, AND I THINK THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE ALL PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN AT LEAST DOUBLE THAT, IF NOT MORE SO WHAT YOU HAVE ON HERE ALREADY.
BECAUSE I WOULD SAY IF YOU'RE GONNA REDO THE OLD HOUSE AND TURN IT INTO A COFFEE SHOP, SOMEBODY, THEY MIGHT BE PARKING IN THERE JUST FOR BUSINESS.
I WOULD WANT ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR THE RESIDENT.
AND, AND OUR PLAN WOULD REALLY BE TO SORT OF DISTRIBUTE THAT PARKING THROUGHOUT THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THE SITE SO THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, SO PEOPLE VISITING ARE ABLE TO, TO NOT HAVE TO WALK ACROSS THE ENTIRE LENGTH.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I, I WAS HERE FOR PLAN, THEN YOU'RE GONNA LOSE GREEN SPACE IN THERE IF YOU DO THE ADDITIONAL BARKING.
HOW ABOUT, HOW ABOUT LOOSE ABILITY TOO? YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY PACK THEM IN TIGHT.
THERE, THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHER THINGS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A PINCH WHERE THIS, UH, TEN FOUR, UH, RETAIL SPACE COMES OUT THERE, HERE AND, AND, AND, UH, AND THE OTHER THING WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING RIGHT THERE.
AND, UH, 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TRUCK TRAFFIC COMING AROUND BEHIND THESE BUILDINGS.
AND THE OTHER THING IS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC BOTH COMING ACROSS THROUGH ROUTE 29 AND, AND POTENTIALLY ACROSS BLACKROCK.
IT'LL BE NICE IF WE COULD RUN SIDEWALK THROUGH THE PARKING AREA, PERHAPS IN A BIG T OR ACROSS SO THAT THEY ONLY HAVE
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TO CROSS TRAFFIC ONE TIME RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE STORE OR THE BUSINESS.THEY'RE PATRONIZING, BUT OTHERWISE THEY'RE ON SIDEWALK.
AND IF YOU DROP A PLAN DOWN A LITTLE BIT, THERE'S A STREAM THAT RUNS BETWEEN THE, UH, RETAIL SPACE AND THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL AREA.
AND, UH, I THINK A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE OVER THAT STREAM WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT.
TO WHERE THAT, THAT WALKWAY BEGINS WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO, TO SOLVE THAT.
BUT YEAH, I HAVE THE SAME, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STACKED TOWN HOMES HERE, AND WE KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A GARAGE ON EACH ONE, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE FILLED WITH STUFF NOT CAR.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF TWO SPACES PER CAR AND THEN A LITTLE BIT OF SPACE, YOU KNOW, WHEN SOMEBODY HAS GUESTS OR WHATEVER.
AND, AND I DON'T THINK YOU CAN PUT ALL THOSE IN BY THE, YOU KNOW, BY THE NEW COFFEE HOUSE THERE.
SO, LIKE, THE IDEA OF A WALKWAY THROUGH HERE AND TRAIL CONNECTION HERE.
ARE YOU SAYING THIS AREA HERE? YEAH, THAT, YEAH, THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE A BRIDGE COULD GO IN THERE.
BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THROUGH THE LARGE PARKING LOT IN FRONT OF THE RETAIL SPACES, STARTING ALL THE WAY DOWN AT 29, UH, TO BE ABLE TO RUN A SIDEWALK RIGHT ON UP THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THERE.
AND, UH, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW YOU DO THAT.
MAYBE IT'S ON ONE END OR THE OTHER, BUT, UH, UH, SO THAT WE ALLOW PEDESTRIANS TO SPEND AS MUCH TIME OUT TRAFFIC AS POSSIBLE, NOT CROSSING TRAFFIC AGAIN AND AGAIN, AGAIN, AS THEY TRY TO GET TO THE TENANT FOUR OR THE WHOLE FOODS OR WHATEVER THAT IS.
ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD FROM PLANNING WAS REALLY, AND MAYBE CAME FROM YOU, JEFF, WAS TO SORT OF CONNECT WITH A WALKWAY.
YOU KNOW, THESE TENANT SPACES ACROSS CITY, YOU CAN KIND OF GET OVER TO THIS AREA WITHOUT REALLY HAVING TO CROSS.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW.
UM, I WAS WONDERING, IS THERE GONNA BE LIKE A BUS STOP AT ALL AROUND HERE FOR ANYONE? BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A BUS STOP ACROSS THE STREET IN FRONT OF GSK.
WE'RE GONNA BE, UH, AS PART OF OUR COORDINATION WITH PENDOT AS WELL AS YOUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE ALWAYS GET IS COORDINATE WITH SEPTA MM-HMM.
AND SO IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE END UP WITH, UH, CERTAINLY THIS WOULD PROBABLY ATTRACT MORE OF A, A, A TRANSIT ORIENTED TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT AS OPPOSED TO THE QUEST WHERE MAINLY EVERYBODY DROVE TO THEIR JOB.
UM, SO YES, THAT WILL BE SOMETHING WE'LL LOOK AT.
THERE IS, YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE IS A BUS STOP ACROSS THE STREET, MAINLY THE SERVE, UH, GSK, BUT, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE YOU, UH, SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN CROSS EASILY ACROSS THE STREET TO GET C YES.
AS LONG AS WE'VE HAD A VERY EXTENSIVE, UH, MEETING WITH, UH, PENDO AS WELL AS YOUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT AND OTHER STAFF.
UM, ONE OF THE, UH, WE, RIGHT NOW THERE IS A, UH, A PEN, UH, TOWNSHIP PROJECT TO UPGRADE THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
YOU SEE THERE'S WHAT WE CALL SPAN WIRES.
THE TOWNSHIP RECEIVED A GRANT TO REPLACE THOSE WITH YOUR TRADITIONAL MA ARMS THAT HANG OVER THE ROAD.
AND OUR CON CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, YOUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT AND PENNDOT.
AT THAT MEETING THERE WAS, UH, EXPRESSED TO US THAT THERE IS A DESIRE TO PROVIDE A CROSSING ON ROUTE 29.
THAT IS A RATHER LONG CROSSING, BUT THE, THE DESIRE AND, AND THE NEED IS THERE.
SO WE ARE GOING TO BE PROVIDING THAT, UH, ON BEHALF OF THIS DEVELOPMENT TO, YOU KNOW, SERVE BOTH NEEDS.
UH, WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE DOING SOME IMPROVEMENTS ALONG ROUTE 29.
IF YOU'VE EVER DRIVEN SOUTH AND YOU WANT TO GET OVER TO THIS BUILDING OR GET INTO, UH, GO INTO BLACKROCK, THERE'S ALWAYS SOME LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION, DOUBLE LEFT TURN LANES.
THERE'S A LOT GOING ON IN THAT AREA.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE OFFERING ALSO AS AN IMPROVEMENT OF DOING SOME ADDITIONAL WIDENING ON ROUTE 29 TO PRODUCE A NEW, UH, THROUGH LANE.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO JUST GO ALL OVER THE PLACE AND YOU CAN GO STRAIGHT RIGHT TO BLACKROCK.
WE'LL WORK WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, YOUR CONSULTANTS TO PROVIDE, UH, WHAT WE CALL WAY FINDING SIGNS.
SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE ABOVE THAT, HEY, BLACKROCK IS IN THIS LANE.
I DON'T WANT TO BE JUMPING ALL OVER THE PLACE.
SO, UM, AND ACCESS WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, MIGHT AS WELL TALK ABOUT THAT.
UM, THE, WE'RE GONNA BE PROPOSING TWO ACCESS POINTS ON BLACKROCK.
THE, THE DRIVEWAY THAT'S GONNA PRIMARILY SERVE THE, UH, COMMERCIAL U UH, UH, PORTION OF THE SITE WILL HAVE A LEFT END RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT.
NO LEFTS WILL BE PERMITTED OUT OUT OF THAT DRIVEWAY.
THERE WILL BE A LEFT TURN LANE PROVIDED FOR THAT DRIVEWAY AS WELL AS A RIGHT TURN DECELERATION LANE.
SO YOU CAN TURN IN INTO THE, UH, TO THE SIDE WITH EASE AT THE DRIVEWAY UP TO THE NORTH.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE PROPOSING ALL TURNING MOVEMENTS AND WE WILL BE STRIPING OUT A LEFT TURN LANE FOR THAT DRIVEWAY ALSO.
THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE PAST ABOUT WE USE THIS LOT FOR COMMUNITY DAY PARKING
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FOR ANYTHING THE TOWNSHIP IS DOING.WHAT WAS THE, I KNOW IT WAS DISCUSSED BEFORE, BUT DO WE LOSE, WHAT WHAT DO WE DO FOR COMMUNITY DAY WHEN WE HAVE, WELL, WE'RE STILL DISCUSSING IT.
IT DOES DEPEND ON THE FINAL CONFIGURATION OF, OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
DAVID LANCE, THE PROPERTY OWNER, HAS EXPRESSED THAT HE'S WILLING TO WORK WITH THE TOWNSHIP TO DO WHAT HE CAN.
HE CAN'T PROMISE BECAUSE IT WOULD, HE CAN'T PROMISE ANYTHING AT THIS POINT.
'CAUSE WE'RE NOT SURE HOW THE DEVELOPMENT'S GOING TO GO.
BUT HE IS WILLING TO WORK WITH THE TOWNSHIP AND, AND HELP FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.
IF WE CAN USE SOME OF THE PARKING AND, AND, YOU KNOW, USE OUR, OUR GOLF PARTIES TO TAKE PEOPLE UP TO COMMUNITY DAY.
UM, A LOT OF THAT WILL HAVE TO SORT OF BE WORKED OUT AS THE PROCESS MOVES FORWARD.
I KNOW THAT THE UNDERSTANDING IS RIGHT NOW FOR THIS YEAR AND PROBABLY FOR NEXT YEAR, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THIS WILL BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION NEXT YEAR, WE WILL BE ABLE TO USE THE PARKING AS IT IS NOW.
AND THE TRAILS THAT IS IN FRONT OF THE ADMIN DOOR YES.
IS IT GONNA, IT'S RUNNING ALL THE WAY STRAIGHT THROUGH.
IT DOES CONNECT ALONG IT, IT DOES STAY CONNECTED ALONG 29 AND THAT, THAT ANTICIPATE TO STAY THERE.
THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING A TRAIL TO CONNECT TO THE BACK.
IF YOU EVER PARKED OVER IN QUEST AND, AND YOU LOOK BACK HERE, THERE'S SORT OF AN AREA THAT COMES ACROSS.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING A TRAIL IN ON THE BACK PORTION HERE TO CONNECT TO THE EXISTING TOWNSHIP TRAIL.
AND IT'LL CONNECT INTO THIS NEW PROPERTY.
I, WE HAVEN'T COME UP WITH THE EXACT ROUTE YET, BUT YES, GENERALLY THAT IT WILL BE ABLE TO CONNECT THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THIS AND THE RETAIL PORTION OF IT INTO THE PARK.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY CARS ON AVERAGE WOULD PARK THERE FOR COMMUNITY? THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I, THAT I WOULD'VE TO CHECK WITH ON THAT.
I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT BEEN HALF, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? I UNDERSTAND WHERE, WHAT YOUR QUESTION IS AND I, I WILL HAVE SUE LOOK INTO IT.
SO HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT THIS GUYS? DO WE WANT TO GET ANOTHER 'CAUSE OF ALL OUR COMMENTS? DO WE WANT TO GIVE THEM TENTATIVE? DO WE ANOTHER ROUND? YOU WANT TO SEE SOMETHING GOING THROUGH THE PARKING LOT? I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE PARKING SPOTS.
WE, I MEAN, WE DO MEET THE ORDINANCE, AS YOU KNOW, FOR THE PARKING.
AND WE ARE, UM, AS PART OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT, WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING THE ENGINEERING TO FIGURE OUT, TO GET ADDITIONAL SPACES.
WE KNOW THAT WAS RAISED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL.
WE'RE JUST SEEKING A TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN TONIGHT TO ALLOW US TO PROCEED FURTHER WITH, YOU KNOW, DOING FULL DESIGN WORK.
NO TENTATIVE, PRELIMINARY, THEN FINAL.
YEAH, THERE'S, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA WANT SEE SOME OF THESE THINGS.
YES, I KNOW YOU THINK THE ORDINANCE WOULD JUST PASSED THE ORDINANCE FOR YOU MONTHS AGO, RIGHT? SO, UM, YEAH, I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM PASSING THIS, BUT YEAH, I WANNA SEE, I WANNA SEE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
I JUST WANNA POINT OUT, WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, BUT I WANNA PUT IT ON RECORD.
THERE IS A RELOCATED, UM, WATERWAY THROUGH THE SITE AND THERE IS EXISTING ARY SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH THE CURRENT SKETCH CONFLICT WITH AT THIS POINT.
THEY BROUGHT A SKETCH WITH THEM TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING INDICATING THAT THEY COULD AVOID BOTH OF THOSE PIECES OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
BUT IF NOT, THERE'S GONNA BE HAVE TO, UM, BE SUBSTANTIAL UTILITY RELOCATION, UM, POTENTIAL FOR THIS SITE.
SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE YOUR LIST, SO, ALRIGHT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THEN WE, UH, ADOPT RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 35 GRAND TENTATIVE LAND DEBT LAND, ALL APPROVAL FOR 12 ONE SOUTH VILLE.
ALRIGHT, THIS ONE, THE NEXT ONE UP IS WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE CAME UP, SPOKE ABOUT.
I'D LOVE TO DO SOME BACKSTORY ON IT BECAUSE I DON'T FULLY, FIRST OF ALL, WE GOT HERE.
SO I KNOW TO PUT ON THE SPOT, ZACH, YOU COULD FILL THIS IN FOR NOT ONLY MYSELF, BUT HAPPY TO DO THAT.
UH, ZACH SSON HERE ON BEHALF OF THE SOLICITOR'S OFFICE.
UM, JUST AS A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, THIS, UH, PROPERTY WAS REDEVELOPED FROM A FORMER SCHOOL BUILDING, UH, BACK IN THE MID EIGHTIES.
UH, IT WAS TRANSFORMED FROM A SCHOOL BUILDING INTO A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE BUILDING.
AS PART OF THAT LAND DEVELOPMENT, THE DEVELOPER AGREED TO ESSENTIALLY LEASE, UH,
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THE ADJOINING PROPERTY, UH, KIND OF IN AN L SHAPE.THERE'S A SMALLER 11,000 SQUARE FOOT AREA THAT'S A PLAYGROUND THAT WAS LEASED AS PARCEL A, UM, THAT WAS LEASED IN A 99 YEAR LEASE.
UH, THAT THEN HAS AN OPTION FOR THE TOWNSHIP TO RENEW FOR ANOTHER 99 YEARS.
AT ITS DISCRETION, UH, THE LARGER BALANCE OF THE PROPERTY IS JUST A SINGLE 99 YEAR LEASE.
UM, ESSENTIALLY WHAT, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER, I GUESS THE, THE BUYER AT THIS POINT IS, HAS COME TO THE TOWNSHIP AND ASKED, IS TO HAVE THAT LEASE, UH, TERMINATED, UH, TO ALLOW THEM TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY WITH SOME RESIDENTIAL USES.
UM, THE LEASE AS IT'S WRITTEN, DOESN'T PERMIT THE LANDLORD TO SPECIFICALLY, UH, TERMINATE THE LEASE ON THE BASIS OF, UH, RESIDENTIAL USE.
IT'S ONLY PERMITTED IF THEY WANT TO EXPAND IT FOR THE PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.
SO ESSENTIALLY THIS IS A COMPLETELY DISCRETIONARY DETERMINATION BY THE BOARD AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANTED TO, UH, TERMINATE THAT LEASE OR ALLOW THEM OR, OR NOT.
SO, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S AN OFFICE BUILDING.
IT'S ALREADY BEEN CHANGED BACK.
THE PLAN IN THE, THE PLAN IN THE EIGHTIES WAS THAT IT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BECOME A, AN OFFICE, A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE BUILDING.
AND IT IS NOW THOUGH, OR NOT OCCUPIED, IF I MAY, UM, I'M THE OWNER MAY APPROACH.
CAN YOU COME FORWARD? I THANK YOU ALL.
I'LL GIVE MY NAME AND SO FORTH.
I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF PRESENTATION TO GIVE FOLKS SOME BACKGROUND AND INTO THE PROPERTY.
UH, MY NAME IS, UH, MICHAEL STEVEN GILLEN AND I AM, UH, OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IN IN QUESTION.
UM, MY FAMILY HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THE OWNERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT OF THE PROPERTY FOR OVER TWO GENERATIONS.
WE WERE THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPERS OF THE PROPERTY WHEN IT WAS ABANDONED BY, UH, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
UH, VERY BRIEF BACKGROUND ON THE HISTORY OF THE PROJECT.
YOU CAN'T HEAR, CAN'T HEAR ME.
UM, FROM ABOUT 1937 TO 1981, THE UH, SPRING THROAT AREA SCHOOL DISTRICT, UH, SERVED, UH, THE BUILDING AND PROVIDED EDUCATION FOR MANY GENERATIONS.
IN, UH, 1982, THEY CLOSED IT AND THE SCHOOL BECAME ABANDONED AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
UM, THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT OF SALE REACH BETWEEN THE DISTRICT AND, UH, JACK, MY FATHER, UM, I COME BY WAY OF WORKING WITH HIM AND I'M A REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER.
AND OUR, UM, OUR EXPERIENCE WITH THE BUILDING WERE AS FOLLOWS.
UM, WE APPROACHED THE, UH, DISTRICT AND, UH, WE FOUND IT WAS VARIANCE FOR A ZONING, UH, FOR BUSINESS OFFICE OVERLAY.
AND, UH, THAT WAS THE WAY WE WERE ABLE TO GET AGREEMENT OF SALE TO CARRY THROUGH.
UM, FROM 84 TO 85, THERE WAS A NEGOTIATION FOR THE OVERLAY, WHICH RESULTED IN THE, UM, WHICH RESULTED IN OUR LEASE AGREEMENT.
UM, I DO HAVE SOME PICTURES AND PHOTOS OF HOW THE PROPERTY WAS DEVELOPED BECAUSE I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT TRANSPIRED AND WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE.
UM, EXCEPT I COULD, WE TOOK THE OLD SCHOOL AND WE RENOVATED AND COMPREHENSIVELY WE SPENT LIKE $1.6 MILLION.
AND THROUGH THAT CONVERSION, UM, WE FORMED A COMPANY CALLED OAKS ASSOCIATES.
NOW WHAT WE DID WAS WE PUT BULLDOZERS INSIDE THE BUILDING, RENOVATED AND EXPANDED THE, FOR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE NEEDED.
AND, UH, WE OPERATED AND OWNED AND MANAGED THE PROPERTY SINCE 2000, I'M SORRY, SINCE 1986 THROUGH 2024.
UM, THE PROPERTY WAS, UH, SOLD TO MY FATHER AND I THROUGH, UH, WAS CALLED OAKS ASSOCIATES.
YOU, IF YOU GO BY THE PROPERTY, YOU'LL SEE IT ON THE PLAQUE IN THE FRONT AND THE, ON THE STONE WALL AND SO FORTH.
SO, UM, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I'VE GOT A BUILDING THAT'S A HUNDRED YEARS OLD.
UH, IT NEEDS MECHANICAL ELECTRICAL UPGRADES.
UM, IT, UH, IT HAS HISTORICALLY HAD SOME BENEFIT.
I MEAN, WE HAD 38 YEARS OF LOCAL EMPLOYMENT AND OVER A HUNDRED PEOPLE WORKING THERE.
UH, I DID AN ESTIMATE OF LOCAL TAXES, PROBABLY OVER $3.5 MILLION IN TAXES, BEEN PAID TO THE COMMUNITY IN VARIOUS FORMS. IT'S ALSO BEEN THE BENEFIT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF, UH, KEEPING FOLKS EMPLOYED.
UM, ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE THOUGHT ABOUT IS, UM, THE LEASE CONTAINS TWO, TWO PARTS.
IT HAS PREMISE A, WHICH YOU WERE DESCRIBING, UH, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 11,050 SQUARE FEET.
SO, UM, I HAVE A SET OF PLANS I WANTED TO AT LEAST REVIEW WITH YOU FOLKS AND I DIDN'T BRING THE FANCY, UH, COMPUTERS AND SO FORTH.
BUT PREMISE A IS THE SMALL SWING SET, WHICH IS THE BOTTOM.
NOW I MAINTAIN AND CUT THE GRASS AND ALSO KEEP THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.
SO, AND WE UTILIZE THAT AND WE'VE BEEN AGREED.
WE HAVE A GREAT REVIEW, FOLKS TO DO THAT.
NOW, PREMISE B IS THE LARGER PORTION AT THE TOP OF THE PLANET
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GOES UP TO THE VERY END.WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND IS, UM, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSIONS ON, UH, WATER MANAGEMENT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
WHAT HAPPENS WITH THIS PARTICULAR SITE IS IT'S UM, ABOUT 35 FEET FROM THE TOP CORNER OF THE PROPERTY UP HERE.
AND THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE THE MEADOWS IS.
WELL, THIS IS WHERE THE MEADOWS IS, WHICH IS THE TOP PART OF THE PROPERTY TO GIVE YOU FOLKS AN IDEA.
AND HERE'S WHERE SOME OF THE HOUSES ARE ALONG THIS SIDE, UM, FROM STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, WHICH YOU GUYS WE'RE ALL CONCERNED WITH.
EVERYBODY'S BEEN DESCRIBING, UH, WHAT HAPPENS IS, THANK YOU.
YEAH, YOU CAN TAKE IT OFF LIFT.
JUST HOLD IT UP TO YOUR MOUTH.
SO, SO HERE'S WHAT TRANSPIRES.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE PROPERTY.
IT START, IT STARTS THE VERY CORNER AND IT DROPS OVER 30 FEET TO THE END.
UH, SOME OF THE RESIDENTS WERE EXPRESSING CONCERNS WITH THE RAINWATER.
IT RUNS DOWN THROUGH BEHIND THE DUMPSTERS, WHICH I EMPTY.
AND BY THE WAY, UM, WE GOT FOLKS STUMPING TRASH IN THERE ALL THE TIME.
WE GOT CAMERAS OUT AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
SO IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN A BIT OF A CHALLENGE TO KEEP THEM OUT OF THAT.
BUT ANY RATE THE WATER IS CONTROLLED IS HANDLED BY THE ORIGINAL DRAINAGE PLANTS, WHICH ARE SUBMITTED AND APPROVED BY THE ENTIRE TOWNSHIP AND LOCAL AUTHORITIES.
SO WITH ALL THAT IN MIND, UM, I COME TO THE FACT THAT I HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED, BUT IT ALSO NEEDS THE CARE THAT MY FATHER AND MYSELF, I REMEMBER MY MOTHER AND FATHER HERE PRESENTING TO THIS BOARD IN ORDER TO GET THE ORIGINAL APPROVALS.
UM, WE TOOK AN REMIND YOU WE TOOK AN ABANDONED BUILDING AND WE PUT $1.6 MILLION INTO IT.
WE ARCHITECTURALLY DESIGNED IT OURSELVES, UH, WITH SOME HELP IN FINANCING FROM A BANK.
SO WE HAD TO BORROW THE MONEY TO GET THAT TO WORK.
SO I THINK IT'S A VERY NICE BUILDING, BUT IT'S A HUNDRED YEARS OLD.
UM, IN MY LINE OF WORK, THE USEFUL SERVICE LIFE OF A BUILDING OF THIS TYPE, IT'S PROBABLY 60 TO 70.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO MY ASKING FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE, UH, OF, UH, THE LEASE, UM, I WANTED TO AT LEAST MENTION TO YOU FOLKS WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT OVER 3.65 ACRES IN THE 99 YEAR PART OF THE LEASE.
UH, THE SMALLER ONE IS A 99 YEAR PLUS 99 FOR THE PLAYGROUND.
BUT I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE IS IT CAN BE DEVELOPED FOR OFFICE SPACE.
AND WE HAVE EXPLORED IN THE PAST OFFICE SPACE FOR THESE AREAS NOW THE DENSITIES WERE FIGURED OUT.
AND, AND I HAVE THAT INFORMATION ALSO.
I'D LIKE TO PRESENT THAT TO EVERYBODY 'CAUSE THAT COULD BE A WAY THAT THIS GETS DEVELOPED.
UM, IS THAT A PREFERENCE? NOT REALLY.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO FIND A WAY TO, UH, FIND A COMPROMISE WITH YOU FOLKS AND DEVELOP THIS THING RESPONSIBLY AND RESPECTFULLY.
UM, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING ALL THE ISSUES WITH STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, UM, AND FINDING A TASTEFUL WAY TO KEEP THIS MAY BE A RESIDENTIAL APPLICATION.
I DON'T KNOW THAT OFFICE BUILDING IN THAT AREA WOULD BE VERY GOOD FOR THE NEIGHBORS, BUT IT'S A POSSIBILITY.
SO IF I MAY, I HAVE TWO PLANS, TWO OR THREE PLANS WHICH SHOW THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUILDINGS AND ARRANGEMENTS COULD BE PUT IN THAT PARCEL.
UM, PLEASE RECOGNIZE THE LEASE DOES ALLOW THIS.
UM, AND MY PREFERENCE IS NOT NECESSARILY TO GO THROUGH THAT ENTIRE PROCESS AND, AND DO THAT, BUT IT IS A WAY TO DEVELOP IT.
UM, ONE OF THE PLANS, ONE OF THE PLANS COULD BE A, UH, ABOUT 2100 SQUARE FOOT TWO STORY OFFICE SPACE AND A BUDDING UP NEXT TO WHERE THE MEADOW GARAGES ARE PARKED IN ON THE UPPER PORTION OF THE CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, UH, WOULD ALSO CONSIST OF ABOUT 15 TO 20 ADDITIONAL PARKING SPOTS.
UM, WE CAN'T SEE THAT FROM UP HERE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY SMALLER COPIES? DO NOT.
UM, I DIDN'T REALIZE THE SIZE OF YOUR BOARD THAT YOU
WELL, I'M WONDERING IF WE, HAVE WE GONE THROUGH THE RIGHT CHANNELS TO, TO PROPOSE THIS TO THE BOARD? I MEAN, THIS SEEMS AD HOC TO BE WORKING THIS WAY.
IF YOU COULD AT LEAST SUBMIT THEM THROUGH OUR PLANNING COMMISSIONER.
WHETHER WE GO INTO INFORMAL PROCESS.
I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST CONSIDERING WHETHER TO REMOVE THE LEASE OR NOT.
AND I HAVE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING THAT MAKES US WANT TO DO THAT TONIGHT.
BUT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PUT IT UP ON THE BOARD SO THAT THE PUBLIC AND THE BOARD AND EVERYBODY CAN, CAN HAVE A GOOD LOOK AT IT.
AND I DON'T WONDER IF WE JUST DON'T VOTE AT ALL, JUST GET ALL, 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE JUST, THIS IS AN AD HOC THING.
I WASN'T EXPECTING A WHOLE PRESENTATION AND I'M INTERESTED IN IT.
BUT MAYBE WE GO THROUGH THE RIGHT CHANNELS.
I WE GIVE YOU THE TIME WE DESERVE.
I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT, BUT BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S SOME MERIT TO WHAT WE CAN DO TOGETHER.
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AREA WHERE WE COULD DO A CALCULATION AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE OFFICE AND FIND SOME WAY OF, YOU KNOW, UTILIZE, IT'S, IT'S OPEN SPACE, BUT IT'S OPEN SPACE.A PITCH OF OVER 30 FEET FROM ONE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY TO THE OTHER.
IT HASN'T BEEN USED, THE TOWNSHIP HASN'T USED IT IN, IN OVER 38 YEARS.
UH, I, I WAS INVOLVED IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN OF IT AND WE, WE, IT'S NEAR DEAR TO ME.
THE BUILDING IS VERY, IT'S A FAMILY TYPE OF A THING, IF YOU CAN IMAGINE.
UM, BUT I HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT.
IT'S A HUNDRED YEARS OLD AND IT NEEDS, IT IS, IF, IF WE WERE TO USE SPACE, JUST THINK IN TERMS OF MONETARILY, IF WE WERE TO USE TODAY'S ONE, YESTERDAY'S $1.6 MILLION 38 YEARS AGO, MULTIPLY THAT BY THAT AMOUNT.
IF MY SERVICE, LIKE THE BUILDING IS NOW EXCEEDED AND HAS TO HAVE THAT START ALL OVER AGAIN, THAT'S QUITE A SUM OF MONEY FOR A BUILDING THAT'S A HUNDRED YEARS OLD.
AND I DON'T KNOW TOO MANY BANKS THAT ARE GONNA REALLY BANKROLL THAT TYPE OF A DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT WHOLESALE CHANGE OR USAGE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE JUST LOOKED AT FINANCIAL ASPECTS OF YOUR TOWNSHIP.
SO WE ALL UNDERSTAND MONEY SOMEHOW.
AND I'M TRYING TO FIND A TASTEFUL WAY OF KEEPING RESPECTFUL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ALSO RESPECTFUL OF THE BUILDING ITSELF.
UM, FROM 1986 THAT OBVIOUSLY RECREATION WAS ON THE MINDS OF THE BOARD BACK THEN.
AND THERE'S NO PLAYGROUND IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
IF YOU'RE GONNA COME BACK WITH A PLAN, UH, FOR WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DEVELOP ON THIS PROPERTY, YOU MIGHT CONSIDER TAKING AS MUCH AS A THIRD OF IT, MAKING IT INTO A PLAYGROUND FOR THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD TO USE AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHAT'S LEFT FOR YOU TO DEVELOP.
I MEAN ALL THESE OTHER THINGS ABOUT THE BUILDING AND ALL THAT.
YOU'VE GOT 61 MORE YEARS ON THE LEASE.
I, I SAY WE LEAVE THE LEASE IN PLACE FOR NOW.
AND, UH, IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK TO US AND DO A FORMAL PRESENTATION, I'D BE HAPPY TO HEAR.
BUT, UH, IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE CAN SAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FORMAL.
AND I APPRECIATE YOU SAVING THE BUILDING.
MONEY AND WELL PLEASE RECOGNIZE THE, THE WORD.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THIS, UM, I HAVE BEEN APPROACHED BY MANY DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS WITH MANY DIFFERENT IDEAS ON WHAT TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY AND THE BUILDING.
AND I, I CAN, WE CAN GO FORWARD WITH PUTTING IN OFFICE SPACES IN THERE.
IT'S WITHIN, IT'S WITHIN THE LEASE CONTEXT WHERE THE LEASE WOULD BASICALLY NO LONGER BE INVITED.
BUT I DON'T WANNA NECESSARILY DO THAT.
I'M MORE INTERESTED IN SOMETHING THAT MAKES GOOD SENSE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND ALSO MAKES GOOD SENSE FOR THE USE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND I DID SPEAK WITH DAVID LANCE GOMER, WHO'S THE GENTLEMAN WHO'S, WE'VE BEEN TALKING TOGETHER ABOUT IT.
HE'S AMENABLE TO, IF WE GET THAT FAR INTO DEVELOPING THINGS, HE'S GOT A PLAN FOR SOME OPEN SPACE, A PLAYGROUND, AND A WHOLE HOST OF OTHER THINGS, WHICH ARE, UH, BILL, PROBABLY RIGHT ALONG YOUR LINE OF THINKING.
AND HE WAS TALKING LOWER DENSITIES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT WERE, IF YOU WERE TO FIND IN, UH, IN FAVOR OF THAT TYPE OF AN ARRANGEMENT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO FIND A WAY TO APPROACH YOU FOLKS.
UH, I DID SPEAK WITH, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW ED, BUT I DID SPEAK WITH ED AND HE SUGGESTED I COME AND SPEAK WITH YOU FOLKS DIRECTLY WITHOUT BRINGING ATTORNEYS AND SO FORTH AND JUST, YOU KNOW, FIND OUT WHAT, WHAT MAKES SENSE TO WORK WITH YOU FOLKS IN THE PARTNERSHIP.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE OPEN TO IT.
SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S, THANK YOU.
BECAUSE I DO SEE AN AWFUL LOT OF DEVELOPMENT HERE AND I WANT TO DO IT THIS IN A RESPECTFUL, YOU KNOW, COOPERATIVE MANNER.
I HOPE YOU WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
PUTTING IN A COMMUNITY, UH, AREA AND PLAYGROUNDS.
IT WAS, AND ONE OF THE PLANS BUILDING NOW, RIGHT? YOU HAD PEOPLE IN THERE.
SO THE AWARDS AND I ALSO SEE, SAY HERE'S THE AWARD TO I KNOW I HAVE IT RIGHT HERE.
BUT THIS IS REALLY, THIS IS THE REALLY, THAT'S WHY I WENT THROUGH THE FASCINATING PART OF THIS BUILDING.
WE, WE WENT THROUGH TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF EXPENSE TO MAKE IT WHAT IT IS.
SO WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE BUILDING IF YOU PUT ALL THAT MONEY INTO IT? IT WAS 30 YEARS AGO.
BUT I MEAN, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN WE CAN THE WHOLE COMMUNITY COME OUT BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THAT, THAT REALLY SHOULD HAPPEN.
IF YOU BUY THE PROPERTY, THEN IT'S YOURS WHAT YOU WANT THEN.
BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH AND WE'LL SEE IT PLANNING AND I APPRECIATE THE AWARD AND STATEMENT, THE BUILDING.
I'VE BEEN ON FARMHOUSE, SO I APPRECIATE OH, YOU DO? OKAY.
I, YOU KNOW, I I, I APOLOGIZE FOR TAKING ALL OF YOUR TIME.
IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO EVERYONE HERE.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO APPROACH YOU FOLKS IN A NON, IN A GOOD MANNER.
YOU CAN WORK WITH JEFF AND, OKAY.
GET HIS NUMBER AND YOU GOT IT.
THANK YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE GONNA WAIT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA KEEP, WE CAN'T KEEP DERAILING, BUT, BUT THANK YOU.
BUT WHEN IS, UH, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
IT'S CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2024.
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IT'S DASH 36 APPROVING THE SEWAGE FACILITIES PLANNING MODULE FOR 1 7 2 HOPWOOD ROAD AUTHORIZING SUBMISSION TO THE PA, DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION PROTECTION.THIS IS THE, SO PLANNING MODULE FOR 1 72 HOPWOOD ROAD, CONFIRMING THAT THE TOWNSHIP HAS COLLECTION AND CONVEYANCE CAPACITY TO ACCOMMODATE THE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, YOU SEE A LETTER DATED, UH, SEPTEMBER 24TH FROM MIKE PO.
AND GILMORE ASSOCIATES, UH, WERE RECOMMENDED THAT THE BOARD AUTHORIZE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION ON THE COMMISSION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 20 24 36 APPROVING THE SEWAGE FACILITIES PLANNING MODULE FOR ONE SEVEN OFF THE ROAD AUTHORIZING PERSON ENVIRONMENTAL OBJECTION.
CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE SOLICITOR AND EXECUTE A MONTGOMERY COUNTY BOARD OF ASSESSMENT APPEAL.
STIPULATION TO SETTLE A TEAM, UH, TO LIDDEL US OPERATIONS LLC 1831 RIDGE PIPE.
UM, SO THIS IS A, UH, SETTLEMENT STIPULATION.
THESE LIDDEL, UH, CORPORATION FILED A TAX ASSESSMENT APPEAL.
UH, IT ESSENTIALLY AGREES TO REDUCE THEIR ASSESSMENT FROM, UH, 1.8 MILLION TO ABOUT 1.5 MILLION.
UM, IN TOTAL, THAT IS A CHANGE IN ABOUT $870 IN TAXES FOR THE TOWNSHIP.
UM, THE SCHOOL BOARD OR THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND THE COUNTY HAVE ALREADY AGREED TO IT.
UH, THE TOWNSHIP WAS THE LAST ENTITY THAT NEEDS TO SIGN THE SETTLEMENT.
UM, SO WE'RE JUST SEEKING AUTHORIZATION TO DO SO.
DID THE SCHOOL BOARD GIVE LOOK LIKE I I
ALRIGHT, I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE SOLICITOR TO EXECUTE A MONTGOMERY COUNTY BOARD OF ASSESSMENT.
LEGAL STIPULATION TO SETTLE PERTAINING TO SETTLE PERTAINING TO LIES OF THE US OPERATIONS, A LINE WITH LIMITED LIABILITY CORPORATIONS 1831 RIDGE PIKE.
THIS NEXT ONE, UM, CONSIDER ACCEPTING THE RESIGNATION OF POLICE OFFICER BADGE NUMBER 57 EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY.
WE, WE DISCUSSED THIS ALREADY IN OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION, UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE RESIGNATION OF POLICE OFFICER BADGE NUMBER 57 EFFECTIVELY IMMEDIATELY.
[MANAGER AND DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS]
MANAGER AND DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS.GREENWOOD AVENUE, SAN SIR EXTENSION THAT WORK.
UM, THE DETOUR IS LIFTED TEMPORARILY AND THE ROAD WILL HAVE TO BE REPAVED AT THE END OF THE PROJECT.
KEOKUK AND WALL REPLACEMENT IS ONGOING AND THE ANDERSON FARM LOOP TRAIL PROJECT WILL BEGIN SHORTLY.
AND HOW LONG WOULD THAT TAKE THE ANDERSON TRAIL? UM, IT SHOULD.
THE CONSTRUCTION, THE CONTRACTOR SAID ABOUT FOUR WEEKS, BUT IT'LL PROBABLY, UM, BE CLOSER TO THE END OF THE YEAR.
ANYTHING ZACH? UH, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
[UPCOMING EVENTS]
UM, WE HAVE THE BOARD SUPERVISORS MEETING SCHEDULE, WHICH IS NOVEMBER 18TH, UM, AT 7:00 PM AND THE DECEMBER 2ND ONE IS REALLY JUST TO PASS THE BUDGET.PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IS NOVEMBER 6TH.
ON THE AGENDA IS AMELIA STREET, UM, AND 7 6 5 COLLEGEVILLE ROAD.
THAT'S 10 7:00 PM UM, ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL MEETING SCHEDULES NOVEMBER 20TH.
IT'S POSTPONED TO NEW DECEMBER 11TH.
AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT I THINK BILL FENTON MENTIONED.
THAT'S WITH THE PARK AND REC AND PENN STATE.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE AN INTERESTING ONE.
THERE'S A PARK AND REC COMMITTEE MEETING SCHEDULED NOVEMBER 13TH AT SIX AND THEN ALSO AT DECEMBER 11TH.
SINCE THEY'RE DOING IT WITH THE, UH, EAC THAT IS AT SIX O'CLOCK.
THE SCHOOL AUTHORITY MEETING IS DECEMBER 5TH, SEVEN.
AND THE ZONING HEARING BOARD SCHEDULES OCTOBER 29TH, SEVEN.
THESE ARE ALL THESE IN LAWSUITS I THINK WAS MENTIONED EARLIER.
THERE'S, THERE'S THREE, THERE'S 24, 0, 3, 4 AND FIVE.
THEY'RE ALL ON FOR, UH, OCTOBER 29TH.
WE'LL, ALSO IT, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY'LL ALSO BE RENDERING THE DECISION FOR THE FORD'S EDGE.
THEY DIDN'T AT THE LAST MEETING, THEY DIDN'T RENDER A DECISION FOR 24 0 2, WHICH IS THE FORD'S EDGE VARIANCE REQUEST.
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UM, I THINK DOING THAT AS PART OF THEIR AGENDA.SO THESE ARE ALWAYS IN-LAW SUITE.
THESE ARE THREE IN-LAW SUITES.
TWO DETACHED AND ONE THAT HAS AN ISSUE WITH BUILDING THE DOOR IN BETWEEN.
THAT'S FOR THE ZONING HEARING.
WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO KNOCK THEM OUT FOR LIKE, ALL THESE PEOPLE WANT THEIR IN-LAWS TO MOVE
I'M NOT SAYING IT'S THE, IT'S THEIR IDEA.