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[ CALL TO ORDER / MOTION TO APPROVE October 16, 2024 AGENDA]
GONNA CALL THE ORDER PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING PROVINCE TOWNSHIP FOR OCTOBER 16TH, 2024.AND, UM, SO WE'RE GONNA, UH, START WITH LOOKING AT THE, UM, UH, THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING, WHICH, UH, THERE'S ONLY ONE APPLICANT ON THAT AGENDA.
BUT, UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE AGENDA ON THE BOARD? NONE.
I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING.
I MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
JERRY MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
[PUBLIC COMMENT FOR NON-AGENDA ITEMS]
UH, PUBLIC COMMENT FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS. THIS WOULD BE ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, UH, POINTS OF VIEW ON NON AGENDA ITEMS? DO I HAVE TO STAND UP AND ASK? OKAY.
WELL IF YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TO COME FORWARD AND ADDRESS.
GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
THIS WOULD BE A NON AGENDA ITEM, RIGHT? YES, EXACTLY.
OKAY, SO IT'S TONY PATRICK, FOUR 10 HAR LANE OAKS, NOT UPPER PROVIDENCE.
UM, SO I WANNA KNOW THE ZONING.
WHEN DOES SOMEBODY DRIVE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND CHECK OUT WHAT'S GOING ON? LIKE A SPECIFIC DAY OR IS THERE, DO THEY HAVE A, UH, A DRIVING SCHEDULE THAT THEY GO OUT LIKE AT SEVEN O'CLOCK AT NIGHT TO 11 OR SOMETHING? OR JUST OUR ZONING OFFICE OR ANYBODY, WHOEVER, LIKE IS OUR ZONING BOARD PEOPLE LIKE YEAH, WE HAVE A ZONING BOARD.
WELL, NO, THE ZONING BOARD IS NOT, THEY'RE NOT ACTIVE.
THEY HEAR THE CASES ARE IN FRONT OF THEM IN, IN TERMS OF THE ZONING VIOLATION.
UM, IF I'M NOTIFIED OF IT, IF I SEE IT, I, THERE'S NOT A SCHEDULED TIME THAT I HAVE THAT I DRIVE AROUND.
THE BOARD HAS NEVER THAT CHARGED ME WITH SAYING TO GO DRIVE AROUND AND FIND VIOLATIONS.
SO IT'S UP TO US RESIDENTS TO CONTACT YOU TO TELL YOU.
PART OF IT IS THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
HE COMES IN AND HE TELLS ME THINGS.
UM, I SEE THINGS 'CAUSE I LIVE AND WORK IN THE TOWNSHIP.
UM, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, POLICE DEPARTMENT, I MEAN, ANYBODY WHO SEES SOMETHING, IF THEY THINK IT'S A ZONING QUESTION, THEY BRING IT TO MY ATTENTION.
BECAUSE I'M NOTICING MORE FENCES GOING UP AND PEOPLE ARE COMPLETE.
LIKE THEY'RE CALLING ON TEMPORARY FENCES.
IT'S ON BLACKROCK ROAD, AGE UP ROAD.
I'M LIKE, HOLD WE ON A SECOND.
WHEN I WAS TOLD BEFORE PEOPLE ARE PUTTING UP FENCES, WE GET A LOT OF FENCE PERMITS.
BUT IF YOU, YOU HAVE MY EMAIL, YOU HAVE MY CELL NUMBER.
WELL I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WASN'T JUST, I DON'T WANT TO DENY YOU.
WELL, ARE YOU FENCES IN PRIVATE RESIDENCES? YEAH.
YOU KNOW, SO, AND THEN LIKE THAT VARIANCE, BECAUSE IF I FEEL LIKE PUTTING A TREE LINE FENCE UP, I DON'T WANT TO BE CAUGHT IN AND SAYING, HEY, HEY, YOU GOTTA MOVE YOUR CHER OUT OF MY WAY.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN.
LIKE IF I DECIDE TO PUT TREES UP THERE ON LAUREL LANE BECAUSE I'M TIRED OF THE NEIGHBOR COMING IN MY YARD AND PARKING THEIR CARS IN MY YARD.
AND NOTHING'S BEING DONE TO IT.
SO I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THOSE TREES IF I COULD PUT 'EM UP THERE.
LIKE THERE'S NO ORDINANCE ON PUTTING UP TREES.
THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOTHING ON TREES BUT OFFENSE, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS.
I'M HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT.
YOU KNOW HOW TO GET AHOLD OF ME.
ANYBODY ELSE? ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE EVENING? OKAY THEN, UM, GENERAL DISCUSSION ITEM.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, OTHER THAN THAT, AROUND THAT ISSUE? COMMENTS? NOTHING.
ALRIGHT, THEN WE'LL MOVE TO OUR APPLICANT
[APPLICATIONS TO BE HEARD ON October 16, 2024]
FOR TONIGHT.AND I GUESS THAT'S MR. MULLIN.
ED MULLEN ON BEHALF OF LAWYERS FOR HOLDINGS TO DISCUSS THE TENTATIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WE HAVE FILED WITH ME TONIGHT IS GARY BERMAN, THE PRINCIPAL OF LAWYERS FOR HOLDINGS.
RENIE SATAN FROM NVR, THE EQUITABLE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
BRIAN ING NEW TO NVR, UH, DENNY HOWELL, CIVIL ENGINEER FROM HOWELL ENGINEERING.
MATT HAMMOND, TRAFFIC ENGINEER FROM TPD, ERIC HEEL PLANNER AND ANDREW YOUNG OF ECS ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENTISTS.
AS YOU PROBABLY RECALL, IMMEDIATELY PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF THE ORDINANCE CREATING, UH, ORDINANCE NUMBER 6 0 5, CREATING AN OVERLAY FOR THE OSR TWO OPEN SPACE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY TO, WE FILED A DECLARATION OF RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS IN THAT COVENANT AND PROVIDED, UH, NOT MORE THAN 600 DWELLING UNITS WOULD BE PROPOSED FROM THE PROPERTY WITH AT LEAST 25% OF THOSE DRAWING UNITS RESTRICTED TO OCCUPANCY BY PEOPLE 55 OR OLDER.
IN FACT, THE PERMIT WE FILED ONLY SHOWS 585
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FEWER THAN THE 600.AND THE TOTAL UNITS SHOWN ON THE PLAN ARE 868.
BUT THE PLAN CLEARLY SHOWS THAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 585 AND THE 868 WOULD BE DEDICATED TO THE TOWNSHIP.
SO THERE REALLY NOT A CONCERN 'CAUSE THEY'RE NEVER GONNA BE.
UM, THE, WE RECEIVED REVIEW LETTERS FROM GILMORE DATED SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2024 FROM BOWMAN DATED SEPTEMBER 26TH, 2024, AND THE COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION DATED SEPTEMBER 3RD, 2024.
I'D LIKE TO INITIALLY POINT OUT THAT WITH RESPECT TO THE GILMORE LETTER, WE'RE IN A POSITION TO SAY BASICALLY WE WILL COMPLY WITH ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
JUST A FEW ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION.
UH, EVENTUALLY WHEN WE GET TO PRELIMINARY PLAN, WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR SOME WAIVERS AS TO WHERE, RIGHT NOW, CLOSER SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF EVERY STREET.
AND WE'LL BE LOOKING TO DISCUSS THAT WITH YOU TO SEE IF THERE COULD BE SOME CHANGES MADE.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE BOWMAN LETTER, WE DID SUBMIT A TRAFFIC STUDY RECENTLY FOR A 600 UNIT DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE HAVE NOT REFINED IT FOR THE 585 UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
AND THE BOWMAN LETTER POINTS OUT VARIOUS QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS BECAUSE THEY'RE POINTING OUT CERTAIN CHANGES THEY MIGHT WANT TO SEE IN SOME OF OUR INTERSECTIONS AND APPROACHES.
AND WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
UH, AND WE'RE WILLING TO MEET WITH THEM AND GET TO THE POINT WHERE BOWMAN IS HAPPY WITH ALL OF OUR CHANGES AND THAT WE CAN SATISFY THEM, UH, AND HAVING A PLAN THAT GOES FORWARD.
UH, WE REALIZED THAT ONE, UH, JEFF, DO YOU HAVE THE OTHER ONE THAT I SAY? THERE WE GO.
UH, WE REALIZE THAT THERE'S ONE ISSUE FOR DISCUSSION.
IT'S THE LOCATION OF THE DRAWING UNITS THAT WE PROPOSED.
RANDY WILL DISCUSS THAT IN DETAIL IN A MINUTE, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE TOWNSHIP SUPERVISOR SPENT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS HAVING NATURAL LANDS TRUST DEVELOP THE PLAN TO THE LEFT.
THE DARK GREEN ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECES OF GROUND THAT THEY WANT SAVED TO PRESERVE THE LIGHTER GREEN OR MEDIUM AND THE BROWN ARE THE LEAST IMPORTANT.
IF YOU LOOK AT OUR PLAN, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'RE MOSTLY IN THE BROWN, UH, TO MOVE EVERYTHING AROUND, TO MOVE IT FURTHER TO THE, WHAT IS THAT? THE WEST TO NORTH NORTH, UH, WOULD RESULT IN A SERIOUS DAMAGE TO THE HEAVY GREEN.
UM, SO BASICALLY WHAT, UH, WOULD LIKE TO DO IS HAVE RENTING DESCRIBE TO YOU WHAT THE PLAN SHOWS, WHAT WE PROPOSED, AND EXPLAIN WHY, UH, WE THINK THERE BUILDINGS ARE WHERE THEY SHOULD BE.
HEY, AND, AND EXCUSE ME, WHAT, WHO DEVELOPED THAT
THAT'S AN, THAT'S FROM THEIR ACTUAL REVIEW.
IT'S PLAN NUMBER SEVEN FROM THEIR REVIEW.
AND DID THEY GIVE EXPLANATIONS TO WHAT GREEN MEANS MOST IMPORTANT IN THE REVIEW? IN THE REVIEW? ABSOLUTELY.
AND, AND THEY SAID THAT THE, THE DARK GREEN IS THE MOST IMPORTANT TO BE PRESERVED, AND THEN THE LIGHTER GREEN IS LESS IMPORTANT THAN THE BROWN IS THE LEAST IMPORTANT.
UM, EXCUSE ME, I'VE READ THAT, BUT WHAT, WHAT IS THE, UM, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF MOST IMPORTANT? WELL, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS IF YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS PIECE OF GROUND FROM A NATURAL LAND POINT OF VIEW FOR THE PRESERVATION, THE BEST USE OF THE GROUND FOR OPEN SPACE RECREATION, ET CETERA, THE DARK GREEN IS THE AREA THAT'S MOST DESIRABLE TO SAVE AND NOT BUILD ON OR CONSTRUCT ON.
AND THE LIGHT GREEN IS NOT SO IMPORTANT AND THE BROWN IS NOT IMPORTANT.
AND ISN'T THAT DARK GREEN? MOSTLY THE AREAS WHERE THE STREAM RUNS DOWN THE CENTER OF IT? NO.
UHUH I MEAN, THE STEAM STREAM RUNS THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT, BUT NO, BUT IT IS, IT'S A LOT WIDER THAN THE STREAM.
UM, WHY ARE YOU MENTIONING 868 VERSUS 5 85? WELL, THAT'S WHAT SHOWS ON THE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED, WE DID.
WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? YOU'LL SEE THE TWO DIFFERENT COLORS, BLUE AND BROWN AND THE BROWN ARE BEING SHOWN, UH, AS THE LOTS THAT ARE GOING TO END UP BEING DEDICATED TO UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP AND WILL NOT BE BILLED.
AND WE CAN'T, WE HAVE A, FIRST OF ALL, WE COULD NEVER BILL MORE THAN 600 BECAUSE OF OUR DECLARATION, BUT WE'VE AGREED TO 585 AND THAT'S WHAT'S SHOWN IN THE BLUE.
UH, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME TONIGHT.
WE ARE BACK WITH OUR BAND OF ME MEN, SO I APPRECIATE I WAS GONNA USE IT.
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MY MIND.I WAS GONNA SAY, OH ME, MEN ARE BACK.
YOU STOLE THAT THUNDER LAST TIME AND WE'VE ADDED A NEW ONE AS ED POINTED OUT.
SO WE SEE THAT WE'RE ON, WE BROUGHT THE REINFORCEMENT, WE'RE MARRIED OR NOT NECESSARILY MANLY.
SO, UM, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE TIME.
SO OBVIOUSLY, UM, THIS IS THE NEXT STEP IN, UH, WHAT IS GONNA BE A LONG INVOLVED PROCESS.
UM, WE HAVE SUBMITTED OUR TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN.
AND MR. GRACE, DO YOU MIND JUST GOING BACK TO THE OVERALL TE SKETCH PLAN AND THEN I'LL, I'LL FLIP BACK TO THIS.
SO WE SUBMITTED OUR 10 TENTATIVE, UH, SKETCH PLAN FOLLOWING UP ON THE ZONING THAT WAS APPROVED, UH, IN LATE MAY BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
AND LET ME KNOW IF I'M NOT SPEAKING DIRECTLY ENOUGH HERE.
UH, IN RESPONSE, WE'VE RECEIVED THE REVIEW LETTERS THAT ARE NOTED ON THE PLAN THERE.
UM, I WANNA BE CLEAR, WE'RE NOT SEEKING A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT, UH, FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, WE WANTED TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY HERE TO COME IN, UM, OBVIOUSLY LET THE PUBLIC HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THEIR COMMENTS ON THE PLAN, LISTEN TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY HAVE, PROVIDE THE ANSWERS.
WE CAN, UH, AND THEN COME BACK.
OUR INTENT WAS TO REQUEST TO BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA FOR NOVEMBER 20TH TO COME BACK, UM, AND TO ANSWER ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS AND OBVIOUSLY GET INTO MORE DETAIL.
AS ED NOTED, UM, WE RECENTLY SUBMITTED THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.
WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF REVISING THAT TO REDUCE IT BY 15 UNITS BASED ON THIS PLAN.
SO OBVIOUSLY THAT'LL GIVE THE TOWNSHIP AN OPPORTUNITY AND THE PROFESSIONALS TO REVIEW THOSE, PROVIDE THEIR COMMENTS ON IT, ON IT AS WELL.
UM, SO AS I SAID, WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT, BUT WE DID WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO WALK THROUGH THE TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN.
UM, AND ALSO NOTE THAT WE'VE CONTINUED TO ENGAGE, UH, WITH BOTH THE TOWNSHIP AND THE COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS, UM, PARTICULARLY THE FRIENDS OF PARKHOUSE, UM, WHO WE MET WITH PROBABLY ABOUT A MONTH AGO, UM, JUST TO SOLICIT ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK.
UM, AND AGAIN, I I GENUINELY APPRECIATE THE TIME AND IT'S, IT IS, WHILE WE DON'T AGREE ON EVERYTHING, IT IS BEEN EXTREMELY CIVIL AND COURTEOUS TO DISCOURSE.
SO CAN YOU SHARE SOME OF THAT FEEDBACK? WE DO APPRECIATE? YEAH, I, I WILL TELL YOU THE PRIMARY POINT OF FEEDBACK, AND I THINK SOME OF THESE OVERLAP WITH, UH, THE ISSUES THAT ARE NOTED IN THE REVIEW LETTERS, BUT THE, THE TRAFFIC BEING ONE OF THEM, AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WORKING TO ADDRESS BOTH WITH THE TOWNSHIP AND PENNDOT.
THE OTHER ITEM WAS THE LOCATION OF THE HOMES ON THE PROPERTY.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE BIGGEST END WITHOUT SPEAKING OBVIOUSLY FOR ANY OF THE COMMUNITY OR THE FRIENDS OF THE PARK HOUSE.
I, I WILL PARAPHRASE AND SAY I THINK THAT WAS THE BIGGEST CONCERN THAT WAS NOTED TO US.
AND THEY GAVE WHAT WAS VERY REASONED RATIONALE FOR WHY THEY BELIEVED THAT THE PLAN WOULD BE BETTER BY SHIFTING THE, THE HOMES TO THE NORTH.
UM, AS WE GET INTO THE OTHER PLAN, UM, I'LL AT LEAST LAY OUT FOR YOU THE, THE RATIONALE FOR WHY WE PLACED THE HOMES WHERE WE DID AND WHY WE STILL CONTINUE TO BELIEVE THAT THAT PRESENTS THE BEST PLAN BASED ON THE CONSENSUS OF EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE GATHERED, INCLUDING THE NATURAL LAND TRUST REPORT THAT ED REFERRED TO.
SO, UM, AND WE'LL GET INTO MORE DETAIL AND OBVIOUSLY AS THERE'S QUESTIONS BOTH FROM, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND FROM THE PUBLIC, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER 'EM TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN RIGHT NOW.
UM, AS ED NOTED, JUST A REMINDER, EVERYTHING SHOWN IN PINK UP HERE HAS BEEN PROPOSED TO BE OFFERED FOR DEDICATION TO THE TOWNSHIP AS OPEN SPACE.
UM, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO IMPROVE OR DISTURB ANY OF THOSE AREAS WITH THE ONLY EXCEPTION BEING ANY ROAD WIDENING THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY BE DEEMED APPROPRIATE ALONG, UH, OLD STATE ROAD AND YEAGER ROAD THERE IF, UH, UH, BASED ON THE REVIEW LETTERS THAT WE SEE RECEIVE BACK AND MEETINGS WITH PENDO.
SO THE IDEA IS THOSE UNITS ARE ALL PART OF THE OVERALL OPEN SPACE THAT WE'VE, UH, WE'VE OFFERED TO DONATE TO THE TOWNSHIP AND OFFERED FOR, YOU KNOW, OPEN SPACE AS THE TOWNSHIP SEE FIT TO USE IN THE FUTURE.
SO THERE'S A LOT MORE DETAILS.
OBVIOUSLY THIS IS STILL A CONCEPTUAL SKETCH.
IT IS A TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN.
SO MANY OF THE QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, INTENSIVE ENGINEERING QUESTIONS THAT MR. DENNY HALL IS HERE TONIGHT, AND WE'LL ANSWER AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
WE MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN A POSITION TO ANSWER.
UM, THE INTENT COMING HERE TONIGHT WAS TO REALLY FIRST OF ALL, PRESENT A PLAN THAT CONFORMS WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT WAS RECENTLY ADOPTED, UM, TO START TO DEVELOP ADDITIONAL DETAIL, AS I SAID, AT A HIGH LEVEL BASED ON SOME OF THE FEEDBACK AND THE REVIEW LETTERS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY TO GAIN ALIGNMENT THAT THIS IS THE CON THE, THE GENERAL CONFIGURATION OF THE COMMUNITY THAT EVERYBODY BELIEVES IS, IS, YOU KNOW, THE BEST CONFIGURATION BASED ON THE ZONING AND ALL THE OTHER PARAMETERS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED.
UM, SO THROUGH THAT ZONING PROCESS AND NOW THE TENTATIVE SKETCH, I THINK WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ADDRESS MANY OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE VOICED BOTH BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE BOARD, AND THE PUBLIC AND TOWNSHIP STAFF, UH, LEADING UP TO THIS POINT.
SO, AND I DON'T, OTHER THAN THE SUBMISSION OF THE SKETCH PLAN, I DON'T THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION NECESSARILY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW OR COMMENT ON SOME OF THOSE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE AS WE PROCEEDED IN FRONT OF THE BOARD WITH THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS ULTIMATELY ADOPTED.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE DONE, WE'VE ELIMINATED ANY STACKED TOWN HOMES IN FROM THE PLAN.
SO YOU MAY RECALL ON THE PREVIOUS PLAN THAT YOU SAW THERE WERE STACKED TOWN HOMES LOCATED IN THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY.
WE'VE NOW ELIMINATED THOSE AND, UH, I BELIEVE AS PART OF OUR RESTRICTED COVENANT, WE ACTUALLY COMMITTED THAT WE WOULD NOT BUILD ANY STAT TOWN HOMES ON THE PROPERTY.
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WITH THAT, BUT ALSO APPLYING TO ALL OF THE UNITS ON THE PROPERTY.UH, WE AGREE TO LIMIT ANY BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY TO A MAXIMUM OF 35 FEET IN HEIGHT, WHICH GENERALLY CONFORMS WITH MANY OF THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS IN THE TOWNSHIP.
AND I THINK WE'LL ALL AGREE THOSE WERE TWO VERY IMPORTANT ITEMS THAT WERE NOTED THROUGH THE PROCESS THERE.
UH, AND THAT ARE REFLECTED IN THIS REVISED SKETCH PLAN AS WELL AS THE, THE, UH, THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT AND, UH, THE ZONING THAT WAS APPROVED.
UM, WE'VE REDUCED THE PLAN BY AN ADDITIONAL 15 HOMES.
SO THE TOTAL COUNT OF THE HOMES THAT YOU SEE IN BLUE IS NOW 585 HOMES.
AS ED NOTED, UH, THE ORDINANCE RESTRICTS US TO 600.
WE AGREED, UH, IN CONVERSATIONS AS PART AT THE LAST HEARING THAT, UH, AURORAS FOR HOLDINGS, FRANKLY AGREED, UH, THAT THEY WOULD OFFER TO FURTHER RESTRICT THAT BY ANOTHER 15 UNITS.
AND SO THE PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT IS 585 TOTAL HOMES.
UM, WE INCORPORATED SOME ADDITIONAL BUFFERING IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE PLAN HERE, UH, WHERE THE INTERSECTION, MOLD, STATE ROAD AND SECOND AVENUES.
UM, WE HEARD A NUMBER OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE EXISTING INTERSECTION AND THAT ALIGNMENT UP THERE.
UM, AND WHILE OBVIOUSLY AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT IS WE DO NOT CONTROL THAT PROPERTY, THAT IS NOT OUR PROPERTY UP THERE, I BELIEVE MR. SHES THAT PROPERTY.
UM, WHAT WE HAS BEEN VOICED TO US IS OBVIOUSLY THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME IMPROVEMENT OF THAT INTERSECTION WOULD BE PREFERABLE.
THAT OBVIOUSLY INVOLVES BOTH THE TOWNSHIP AND PENDO BECAUSE YOU HAVE THESE TWO ROADS COMING TOGETHER THERE.
SO OUR CONCEPT IN PULLING THESE UNITS BACK WAS JUST TO PROVIDE SOME SPACE THERE FOR FLEXIBILITY SO THAT IF ULTIMATELY THERE'S A SOLUTION THERE THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY, WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE TO WORK WITH IT.
SO THAT'S A CHANGE THAT YOU SEE THERE.
AND THEN WE ALSO ELIMINATED THE ACCESS POINTS DIRECTLY ON THE SECOND HALF HERE AND ADDED AN ADDITIONAL ACCESS ON THE OLD STATE ROAD DOWN HERE.
THE IDEA BEING AGAIN THERE WITH SOME OF THE VISIBILITY AND THE, UH, SITE LINES ON SECOND AVE THAT WE COULD ULTIMATELY CREATE, UH, A MORE EFFICIENT AND A SAFER, UH, KIND OF INFLOW AND OUTFLOW OF TRAFFIC THERE BY ELIMINATING THAT FROM SECOND AVE.
NOW AGAIN, THAT WAS SOMETHING WE DID JUST BASED ON FEEDBACK.
IF THERE ARE THOUGHTS THAT THAT'S NOT ULTIMATELY THE PREFERRED CONFIGURATION, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OPEN TO THAT DISCUSSION.
THIS WAS REALLY, AGAIN, TRYING TO PROACTIVELY ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD THERE.
AND THEN, UH, LASTLY WE'VE CONTINUED TO TRY AND INCORPORATE SOME OF THE TRAIL CONNECTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN IMPORTANT, UM, TO FRANKLY ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT WE'VE SPOKEN TO.
SO I THINK AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND WE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LOCK IN FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS, THE OVERALL CONFIGURATION AS PART OF THIS TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN PROCESS, WE CAN THEN GO ENGAGE WITH PENDOT, UH, WITH THE TOWNSHIP AND WITH MONTGOMERY COUNTY TO START TO WORK ON THOSE TRAIL CONNECTIONS.
AGAIN, I'VE SAID IT IN THE PAST, THE IDEAL HERE IS NOT JUST TO CREATE TRAILS THROUGHOUT OUR PROPOSED COMMUNITY, BUT TO EXTEND THOSE TO THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND THE PROPERTY.
SO ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, FRANKLY, THE GOAL IS TO TRY AND GET PEOPLE DOWN WITH SAFE, EFFECTIVE ACCESS DOWN TO THE SCO RIVER TRAIL TRAIL HEAD THAT'S ON THE COUNTY OWNED PROPERTY.
UM, THAT OBVIOUSLY REQUIRES A LOT MORE COORDINATION WITH PENDOT.
I WILL NOTE THAT PART OF THE, UH, ROUNDABOUT PLAN, THE CONCEPTUAL ROUNDABOUT PLAN THAT'S RECEIVED, UH, SOME STATE FUNDING RECENTLY DOES INCORPORATE, UH, AS YOU GET DOWN, UM, TO THE BRIDGE HERE, IT DOES INCORPORATE SOME PROPOSED EITHER SIDEWALKS OR PEDESTRIAN TRAILS AS PART OF THAT IMPROVEMENT.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S ONE STEP FURTHER INTO TRYING TO INCORPORATE INTERNAL TRAILS TO EXTERNAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE'VE ALSO TRIED TO CREATE A TRAIL CONNECTION FROM OLD STATE ROAD, UH, OVER TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE NORTHWEST HERE.
AGAIN, THAT'LL BE A CONVERSATION WITH PENNDOT ABOUT HOW WE CAN DO THAT AND WHETHER THEY'RE OPEN TO HAVING SOME KIND OF, UH, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, WHETHER IT BE FLASHERS OR SOMETHING ELSE TO, TO ALLOW FOR CROSSINGS THERE.
SO RIGHT, RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF NORTH STATE ROAD ON THIS, WHAT'S THAT? LOOKS LIKE A BUILDING OR SOMETHING THERE, RIGHT, RIGHT.
SO MY MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT'S AN OLD SCHOOL HOUSE, AND SO IT'S, WE, WE ARE NOT PROPOSED, WE HAVEN'T PROPOSED TO DO ANYTHING.
WE'VE SHOWN IT ON THE PLAN AS, AS REMAINING THERE IN EXISTING STAY.
OUR INTENTION WOULD BE AS PART OF THE OPEN SPACE THAT WE WOULD ULTIMATELY OFFER TO THE TOWNSHIP, THAT WE WOULD OFFER THAT, THAT STRUCTURE AS PART OF IT TO THE TOWNSHIP IF THEY WANTED TO TAKE IT.
SO YEAH, I'LL STOP IF YOU WANT TO ADD NO, I CAN, I CAN STOP ANYTIME.
UM, SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, MR. GR FLIPPING IT OVER TO THE OTHER, THE OTHER CLIENT AGAIN.
SO THE, THE ITEM AS YOU ASKED MR. WRIGHT, UM, THAT HAS COME UP CONSISTENTLY IS WHERE THE HOMES ARE LOCATED ON THE PLAN.
SO AS ED POINTED OUT, THIS EXHIBIT WAS FROM THE NATURAL LAND TRUST REPORT THAT WAS COMMISSIONED BY THE TOWNSHIP SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
UM, TO YOUR QUESTION EARLIER, WHAT CON SO, SO THE GREEN IS ED NOTED THESE WERE CONSIDERED, THEY, THEY HAD A TABLE THAT, OR A, AN EXHIBIT THAT SAID PRIORITY CONSERVATION,
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AND THEY NOTED THAT THE DARK GREEN OR THE HIGHEST PRIORITY CONSERVATION, THE LIGHT GREEN IS THE MEDIUM PRIORITY CONSERVATION, THE BROWN AREAS ARE THE LOWEST PRIORITY CONSERVATION.NOW, WHAT WENT INTO THAT, UM, THEY LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF FACTORS, YOU KNOW, SLOPE TYPES OF SOILS.
UM, FRANKLY, I VERY FEW, IF ANY OF THEM WERE THINGS THAT ARE ULTIMATELY GOVERNED BY DEP OR TOWNSHIP ORDINANCES FOR THAT MATTER.
OBVIOUSLY STEEP SLOPES ARE, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, MANY OF THEM WERE, WERE, YOU KNOW, I WON'T SAY SUBJECTIVE, BUT THINGS THAT NATURAL LAND TRUST TAKES INTO ACCOUNT, BUT THAT AREN'T REGULATED ITEMS BY EITHER TOWNSHIP ORDINANCE, UH, P-A-D-E-P OR ANY OTHER APPLICABLE ORDINANCES.
BUT IT WAS, HEY, WE THINK THAT THESE ARE THE HIGHEST PRIORITY AREAS ON THE PROPERTY, AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO CONSERVE ANY PORTIONS, THIS IS WHERE YOU SHOULD BE FOCUSING YOUR CONSERVATION.
UM, OBVIOUSLY OUR PLAN, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT DOES ENCROACH IN SOME AREAS INTO SOME OF THE LIGHT GREEN AND DARK GREEN, BUT WE'VE MINIMIZED THOSE AREAS TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE.
AND THE OTHER THING WE'VE DONE, YOU'LL NOTE IS ANY OF THE BROWN AREAS THAT WE'VE DENOTED AS LOWEST PRIORITY, THOSE ARE ALL UTILIZED ALMOST ENTIRELY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO TO THE POINT OF, YOU KNOW, WHY DO WE, WHY DID WE LOCATE THE HOMES HERE FROM THE BEGINNING AND WHY DO WE CONTINUE TO BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS LOCATION? WE DID TRY TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE NATURAL LAND TRUST, UH, REPORT IN DOING THAT.
UM, SECONDLY, ONE OF THE PIECES OF FEEDBACK WE HEARD THROUGH PUBLIC MEETINGS AND AND FROM TOWNSHIP, FROM THE TOWNSHIP WAS THAT MAXIMIZING THE AMOUNT OF CONTIGUOUS OPEN SPACE AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS A HIGH, HIGH PRIORITY.
SO BY CLUSTERING IN THE, YOU KNOW, LEAST IMPORTANT CONSERVATION AREAS ALLOWS US NOT ONLY TO AVOID THOSE, THOSE MOST OF THOSE DARK GREEN AREAS AND SOME OF THE LAKE GREEN AREAS, IT ALLOWS US TO CREATE THE LARGEST AREAS OF CONTIGUOUS OPEN SPACE THAT WE REALLY CAN WHILE ALSO WORKING WITH, YOU KNOW, THE NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY OF THE PROPERTY, THE ACCESS POINTS, EVERYTHING ELSE.
I WOULD NOTE TO ED'S POINT, SHIFTING THE CONFIGURATION OF THE HOMES FURTHER TO THE NORTH STARTS TO MAKE IT HARDER FOR US TO SPREAD THE ACCESS POINTS AROUND AS WELL.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE SWITCH THE PUSH THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY, THEN IT'S PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, NOT CONCEIVABLE TO HAVE THE ACCESS POINT HERE ON THE BLACKROCK ROAD.
THE IDEA BEING, AGAIN, THAT AS WE'RE DIRECTING TRAFFIC INTO THE COMMUNITY AND OUT OF THE COMMUNITY, HAVING THOSE MULTIPLE ACCESS POINTS HELPS TO ALLEVIATE ANY STRESS POINTS AT ANY ONE INDIVIDUAL ACCESS.
SO MAXIMIZING THE CONTIGUOUS OPEN SPACE, WHICH AGAIN WE HEARD WAS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FROM THE TOWNSHIP'S PERSPECTIVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO HONOR THE NATURAL LAND TRUST REPORT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE COULD, AND THEN ULTIMATELY PROVIDING THE, THE SAFE AND EFFICIENT ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, WAS HOW WE TOOK A LOOK AT IT.
AND I DON'T DISPUTE, AGAIN, WE'VE HAD VERY PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS ON IT, BUT, AND, AND, AND FRANKLY LASTLY IS ULTIMATELY THE ZONING THAT WAS APPROVED WAS BASED ON THIS OVERALL CONFIGURATION.
AND WE FELT THAT THAT WAS ARRIVED AT THROUGH A CONSENSUS, AT LEAST UP UNTIL THAT POINT, THAT THIS WAS THE BEST COMPROMISE FOR THE PROPERTY GIVEN THE OTHER, UH, THE OTHER APPLICATIONS THAT HAD BEEN MADE IN THE PAST.
SO WE, WE FRANKLY DIDN'T FEEL IT APPROPRIATE ON OUR END TO UNILATERALLY FLIPPED THAT AND CHANGED THAT AROUND WHEN WE CAME BACK IN WITH A PLAN TO PRESENT, WE WERE TRYING TO AT LEAST STAY AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO THE SPIRIT OF THE PLAN THAT WAS SHOWN TO THE TOWNSHIP WHEN WE TOOK THE ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE WAS APPROVED.
SO, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT SAID, AS WE DISCUSSED THE OTHER ITEM TRAIL CONNECTIONS, WHERE WE, WE, WE DO THINK WE'VE GOT SOME GREAT OPPORTUNITIES TO ADDRESS THOSE, INCORPORATE THOSE.
UM, BUT THAT REALLY, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE PRIMARY FEEDBACK WE HEARD IN, IN, IN THE MEETINGS.
AND THEN AS I SAID, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER CHANGES WE'VE MADE HAVE KIND OF ITERATED TOWARDS ADDRESSING SOME OF THE LARGER CONCERNS THAT WERE ADDRESSED IN THE PAST.
SO WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, THE 55 AND OVER PORTION, 20, 20%, YOU SAID 25, 20 5%.
IS THAT SEGREGATED FROM THIS IN ANY WAY? THAT'S SO THE BOTTOM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE IT'S GONNA BE.
AND AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS WE, WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS KEEP AWAY FROM DISTURBING, OBVIOUSLY THAT STREAM AREA, THOSE, THOSE PRIORITY CONSERVATION AREAS.
SO WE DO HAVE THOSE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS NOT A CONNECTION BETWEEN THOSE TWO SIDES OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND AND WHAT ARE THOSE, THOSE ARE GONNA BE TIMELINES.
YEAH, THERE, THERE WAS A CARRIAGE HOMES, SO I BELIEVE WE HAVE 32 FOOT WIDE, TWO STORY CARRIAGE HOMES ON THE PLANE.
AGAIN, ALL AGE RESTRICTED, UH, TO 55 PLUS.
AND YOU SAID, LOOK, THERE'S NO CONNECTION, NO CONNECTION BETWEEN THOSE TWO SIDES OF THE COMMUNITY.
NOW AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE STREAM COMING THROUGH THERE, THERE'S WETLANDS AREAS, THERE'S STEEP SLOPES, SO WE TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM SURE.
QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, UM, REMY, HAVE, HAVE YOU BEGUN TO LOOK AT THE POTENTIAL IMPACT THAT ROUNDABOUT ON YOUR PLAN AND WHAT IT MIGHT DO TO THE, TO THE ENTRANCE CONFIGURATION? I'M JUST CURIOUS,
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YOU KNOW, HOW MIGHT, THAT'S SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE, UM, BY BOWMAN AND WE FULLY EXPECT TO WORK WITH THEM ON THAT.UH, AS IT TURNS OUT, THAT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS IN THE TOWNSHIP SINCE 2019 WAY BEFORE US.
AND, UM, AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK WITH YOUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO SATISFY THEM AND IT ALL WORK TOGETHER.
GOOD EVENING, MATT HAMMOND, TRAFFIC PLANNING DESIGN.
HOW ARE YOU? UH, JUST TO CLARIFY.
SO YES, WE DID TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE ROUNDABOUT AND IN FACT, UM, AT THE TIME THAT WE WERE COMING UP WITH ORIGINAL PLANS, THE PLANS THAT WERE PRESENTED AS PART OF THE ZONING, UH, HEARINGS, THE PLAN FOR THE ROUNDABOUT ACTUALLY CONTEMPLATED THE ROUNDABOUT TO BE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION.
SO SECOND AVENUE WAS COMING DOWN AND THE ROUNDABOUT WAS LOCATED RIGHT ABOUT THIS LOCATION HERE.
SO WE HAD BASICALLY ACCOMMODATED FOR, UH, THE ROUNDABOUT.
UM, BASICALLY IT'S OVER, IT WAS OVER HERE.
THE, THE INTERSECTION KIND OF SHIFTED OVER THE LATEST PLAN, THE PLAN THAT WE WERE JUST RECENTLY PROVIDED, THE SKETCH JUST BEING, UM, FORWARDED, ACTUALLY SHOWS THE ROUNDABOUT ON THIS SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION NOW.
SO IT SHIFTED OVER ONTO THE WEST SIDE.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY, WE ARE ACCOMMODATING FOR WHEN IT WAS ON THE EAST.
NOW IT'S ACTUALLY, UH, OVER ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION.
BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO, TO COORDINATE, UM, WITH THE TOWNSHIP TRAFFIC ENGINEER, MR. VALENCIA, AS WELL AS PENNDOT.
IN TERMS OF HOW EVERYTHING FITS IN, UH, THE, THE BLACKROCK ENTRANCE EXITS THERE ON ONE 13.
ARE YOU PREDICTING, ARE YOU A LIGHT THERE? NO.
IS THERE GONNA BE A LIGHT? NO, SIR.
YOU DON'T THINK WE'RE HAVE TO LIGHT? NOT WHEN WE'RE ABLE TO DISPERSE THE TRAFFIC TO VARIOUS, UM, ACCESS POINTS.
WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY MEET THE WARRANTS FOR A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THAT LOCATION, NOR UM, WOULD IT BE LIKELY THAT PENDOT WOULD WANT TO SEE A TRAFFIC LIGHT? WELL, I DON'T SEE TRAFFIC LIGHT EITHER, BUT I'M THINKING 'CAUSE OF THE ROUNDABOUT LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE IT GOES AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT, THEN YOU GOT PEOPLE FLYING UP ONE 13 THERE.
HOW ARE THOSE PEOPLE GONNA GET OUT? ESPECIALLY IF THEY WANNA MAKE A LEFT.
I MEAN THAT'S THE ONLY, ONLY OTHER EXIT BACK UP TO OLD STATE ROAD.
SO THERE'S THREE, THERE'S ONLY THREE ENTRANCE ACCESS POINTS.
TWO OLD STATE, JUST ONE BLACKROCK FOR THIS ONE TO HELP.
I WOULD, I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT THE SCALE OF THIS PLAN IS SUCH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DECEIVING IN TERMS OF THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAY, WHERE THE ROUNDABOUTS GOING TO BE.
UM, RIGHT HERE, THIS IS, THIS IS 600 FEET RIGHT HERE, SO IT IS A GOOD DISTANCE.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN INCLUDED IN THE STUDY.
WE'VE LOOKED AT IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA GO THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS, I BELIEVE.
UM, MR. VALENCIA, ANTHONY'S OPINION ON THAT.
ANTHONY, DO YOU SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT EXIT HERE ON THE ONE 13? YEAH, I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE VOICED SOME OF THE CONCERNS I GUESS IN OUR LETTER.
I MEAN, SOME OF THE CONCERNS ARE RELATED TO THE PROXIMITY TO THE STRUCTURE AND THE, AND THE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE ROUNDABOUT.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS MATT MENTIONED, THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THE APPLICANT TEAM, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE LETTER AS AN EXHIBIT.
SO THEY CAN, WE SHOW PROGRESS AND SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COORDINATE.
UM, BUT IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC LIGHT, ET CETERA, UM, WE HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THAT STUDY YET.
IT WAS JUST RECENTLY RECEIVED, BUT FROM OUR ANALYSIS IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE ONE WOULD BE WARRANTED OR THAT PENN OUT WOULD APPROVE ONE AT THAT WOULD LOCATION.
BUT, UM, I DON'T WANT TO SEE ONE EITHER.
I'M NOT LOOKING THE PUT ONE THERE.
I JUST SEE HOW PEOPLE GONNA GET OUT THERE AND LIFT AT FIVE O'CLOCK.
I THINK SOME OF THE BIG, SOME OF THE BIG ISSUES ARE TO ADDRESS THE SITE DISTANCE CONCERNS, HOW THAT TIES INTO THE ROUNDABOUT IMPROVEMENTS, THE PROXIMITY TO THE STRUCTURE, THOSE ARE ITEMS THAT WE NOTED.
I KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT TEAM IS AWARE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COORDINATE.
SO AS WE CONTINUE TO SHARE OUR PROGRESS AND OUR FILES WITH THE TEAM AND THEY CONTINUE TO FLESH OUT THEIR DESIGN, UM, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE OBSTACLES WE'LL HAVE TO WORK THROUGH.
IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THE OVER 55 COMMUNITY IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER THERE, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, TWO ENTRANCE EXITS ONTO BLACKROCK TRAP, JAGER, THAT'S GONNA BE ONE BUSY INTERSECTION.
I PRESUME THERE'S SOME ENGINEERING ACTIVITY GOING ON BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S A BUSY INTERSECTION TO BEGIN WITH.
BUT, BUT ALL THOSE HOMES ONLY HAVE THOSE TWO ENTRANCE EXIT POINTS.
WELL, WELL KEEP IN MIND THIS IS THE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE INTERSECTION OF SOUTH TRAP AND RIGHT? CORRECT.
BLACKROCK, THIS IS A, A BIG LOOP RIGHT HERE.
SO THERE'S ONLY, IT'S ONLY SERVICES, 15 HOMES, 10 HOMES, SOMETHING TO THAT 20 HOMES.
I FORGET WHAT THE NUMBER IS, BUT THIS IS A LOOP RIGHT HERE ON SOUTH TRAP ROAD.
IT GOES, STARTS HERE AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ENTRANCE AGAIN ON BLACKROCK ROAD OVER
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HERE.YAGER ROAD COMES DOWN AND COMES AROUND OUT TO ANOTHER LARGER INTERSECTION DOWN ON BLACKROCK.
UM, BUT REGARDLESS, AS ANTHONY HAD MENTIONED, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF ITEMS IN HIS REVIEW LETTER, WHICH WE INTEND TO, UM, COORDINATE WITH HIS OFFICE AS WELL AS PENDO TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THESE SOLUTIONS AND SOME OF THESE IDEAS.
UM, THIS IS A PROCESS WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO MOVE THROUGH THAT PROCESS, BUT THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE MUST NEED TO BE OUTLINED IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS THROUGH LAND DEVELOPMENT.
I, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW.
QUESTIONS ELSE FORWARD HERE BEFORE WE OPEN UP? I'M SORRY, ONE OTHER MINOR COMMENT.
I MEAN, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE NEXT STEP YOU'RE GONNA BE GETTING INTO DETAILED ENGINEERING AND RESPONDING TO THESE COMMENTS.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF, IF SOME THINGS LIKE, UH, TURNING RADIUSS ON THE STREETS WITHIN, SAY THIS BIG CLUSTER NEED TO GET EASED FOR FIRE TRUCK ACCESS AND THAT KIND OF THING, AND YOU END UP, UH, HAVING TO EITHER REDESIGN THIS TO CREATE MORE SPACE AND, AND PERHAPS IT STARTS TO INFRINGE WITH THE NUMBER OF UNITS YOU HAVE, ARE YOU GONNA TRY AND SEEK TO SORT OF PUSH THE, STILL GET THE SAME NUMBER OF UNITS EVEN IF YOU SORT OF SPREAD, SPREAD OUT MAYBE INTO SOME OF THAT, THAT GREEN ZONE THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT? OR ARE YOU YOU WILLING TO GIVE UP UNITS IF TO ME, WELL, I'M GONNA GIVE UP UNITS, BUT WE WILL COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE 100%.
UH, FOR ALL THE RADIUSES, FOR ALL THE ROADS, INTERNAL, EXTERNAL, WE'LL COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE, WE'D EXPECT THAT
SO, UH, I'M NOT HEARING ANYTHING ELSE, UH, AT THIS POINT.
I'LL TAKE THE PUBLIC CAN START MAKING COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS IF WE HAVE ANYBODY IN THE COME UP IDENTIFY YOURSELF, GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
SO, UM, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY, RAIN DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT BETTER? BETTER.
UH, BRAD BERKOWITZ, R-K-O-W-I-C-Z AND 1 38 BENNINGTON ROAD.
OKAY, SO, UM, JUST REALLY JUST TWO COMMENTS, TWO CONCERNS.
SO I GUESS THE FIRST COMMENT, UH, REMY, THANKS.
WITH THE HEIGHT THING, UM, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION THOUGH.
I DIDN'T LIKE READ 'EM IN DETAIL FROM WHAT I COULD TELL, I STILL SAID 48 OR 50 FEET FOR TOWN HOMES ON THE, LIKE THE LITTLE BOX GRID THINGS.
SO I DUNNO IF THAT WAS AN OVERSIGHT OR MAYBE I READ SOMETHING WRONG, BUT IF IT DOES SAY THAT IT'S AN OVERSIGHT.
YEAH, I JUST WANT WHATEVER WAS POSTED TO THE, THAT WAS THE WIDTH THAT THEY WERE SAYING, NOT THE, NOT THE HEIGHT.
NO, I SAW IT SAID HEIGHT SOMEWHERE.
THE STANDARD AGAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIKE TEAR IT UP NOW, BUT LIKE WHEN I LOOKED I JUST, AND I'M GLAD YOU CONFIRMED IT'S STILL 35 FEET, BUT HERE THOUGH I SAW 48 OR 50, I THOUGHT THAT'S A MISPRINT, WE'LL GET THAT CORRECTED.
NO THEN YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
WE, SO THE EXHIBIT YOU SEE UP HERE SHOWS 35 FEET, BUT THEN IT'S NOT CORRECT DOWN THERE SO IT SHOULD BE 35 FEET.
UM, THE SECOND, I GUESS MAYBE TWO QUESTIONS CONCERNS, UM, THE RIGHT ON SECOND AVENUE GOING TOWARDS DRY ELVIS THERE.
UM, I KNOW WHEN WE TALKED BEFORE YOU SAID THERE WAS GONNA BE LIKE A BERM OR A TREE LINE TO KIND OF HIDE THE VIEW OF THE TOWN HOME SOMEWHAT.
UM, IS THAT STILL GONNA EXIST? BECAUSE I CAN'T REALLY TELL WHETHER THERE'S GONNA BE TREES OR BERMS BASED ON THIS MAP.
'CAUSE THAT ONE CLUSTER LOOKS EXTREMELY CLOSE TO SECOND AVENUE TO ME.
YEAH, SO OBVIOUSLY AGAIN, IT'S STILL AT THIS LEVEL AND AT, AT JUST THE SKETCH PLAN LEVEL.
WE'RE NOT SHOWING INDIVIDUAL TREES OR, OR, OR LANDSCAPING THERE.
BUT I'LL ACTUALLY DEFER TO DENNY.
DO YOU THINK, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AREA DENNY AND WE'VE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED DOWN HERE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE SOME BERING AND SOME LANDSCAPING UP THERE JUST TO PROVIDE SOME SCREENING.
SO YEAH, AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM IN THERE.
SO YEAH, THAT IS STILL SOMETHING WE INTEND TO TRY AND INCORPORATE THERE.
WE'VE OBVIOUSLY GOTTA WORK WITH THE GRADING AND THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, BUT WE'VE GOT ENOUGH ROOM THERE TO TRY AND BERM THAT AND THEN PUT SOME PLANT THINGS ON TOP.
BROUGHT ME TO MY THIRD POINT STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.
SO, UM, I SEE LIKE YOU GOT ALL LITTLE BLUE THINGS THERE, WHICH I, THERE WAS TWO POINTS
MY FIRST, MY FIRST CONCERN, BUT WHICH WERE WE ON FIRST CONCERN COMMENTS? I LOST TRACK WHAT WE WERE GOING FOUR THINGS.
I THE FIRST CONCERN THOUGH, HONESTLY, SO I, STEVE GOT THE RETENTION THERE.
MY CONCERN HONESTLY IS RIGHT NOW THAT LAND SLOPES TOWARDS THE RIVER.
LIKE, SO IT'S BASICALLY IT LOPING FROM THE PROPERTY TOWARDS SECOND AVENUE, RIGHT? UM, AT THE SAME TIME, WE KNOW EVERY TIME THERE'S A HEAVY RAIN THAT UM, ON, WAS IT ONE 13 OR BLACKROCK ROAD, WHATEVER'S COFFEE, BUT IT GOES TOWARDS THE RIVER, THAT THING BECOMES A, A LAKE SOMETIMES AND IT GETS FLOODED OUT.
I SEE THIS AS JUST PUSHING MORE OF THE WATER, LIKE 'CAUSE OF THE PERVIOUS SURFACES.
AND I THINK MONTGOMERY COUNTY EVEN MADE A COMMENT ABOUT YOU NEED MORE SEMI PERME.
I, I DON'T KNOW, PER PERMEABLE SURFACES OR WHATEVER.
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CONCERN IS WE'RE PUSHING MORE WATER TO THESE THINGS.IF IT THOSE START TO OVERFLOW AT SOME POINT THEY'RE GOING DOWN THE RIVER RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T GET WATER IN MY BASEMENT.
I'M GETTING CONCERNED NOW THIS IS GONNA BE PUTTING WATER IN MY BASEMENT SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER IT RIGHT NOW.
I JUST WANT TO LAY IT OUT AS A CONCERN THAT I REALLY QUESTION HOW THIS IS ALL GONNA NOT CAUSE FLOODING EITHER TO THE FOLKS ALREADY LIVING ON THE PENINSULA OR GOING TOWARDS THE RIVER ON ONE 13.
FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN IN ENGINEERING FOR STORMWATER MANAGE.
SECONDLY, THE TOWNSHIP ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT WHAT HAPPENED IN A 50 YEAR STORM, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TODAY WHEN WE'RE DONE HAS TO MEET THE CONFINEMENTS FOR A TWO YEAR STORM.
SO WE ARE GOING TO IMPROVE THE SITUATION FROM WHAT'S THERE NOW.
SO WHO DO I GO TO? WE GOTTA SATISFY THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEER.
SO I'VE KIND OF WATERED MY BASEMENT FOR 13 YEARS LIVING HERE.
WHO DO I GO TO IF IN FIVE YEARS AND THESE ARE BUILT, I GET WATER IN MY BASEMENT, DANNY.
AND, AND, BUT ALL JOKING ASIDE, UM, AND AND WE WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS IN THE PAST, IS THE TOWNSHIP'S ORDINANCE IS ACTUALLY, I I IS IS REQUIRES MORE, UH, IS, IS, IS AND FRANK, YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE RIGHT WORD FOR IT, BUT IS, YOU KNOW, MORE RESTRICTIVE OR, OR REQUIRES, YOU KNOW, US TO TAKE, BE MORE CONSERVATIVE WITH THE STORMWATER APPROACH THAN EVEN P-A-D-E-P DOES UNDER THEIR, UNDER THEIR STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS, UH, UNDER THE NPDS PERMIT.
SO DANNY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO.
I MEAN IT'LL BE A, IT WILL BE AN IMPROVEMENT.
WE, WE UNFORTUNATELY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE STORMWATER TO OTHER PLACES IF WE'D LIKE TO.
SO WE UM, WE HAVE TO KIND OF DISCHARGE IT.
WHERE IS DISCHARGING AT TODAY? 'CAUSE I CAN'T TAKE A PROBLEM THAT'S FIX A PROBLEM TODAY AND PUN IT DOWN SOMEPLACE ELSE.
SO I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT WHAT WILL COME OFF HERE FROM A RATE STANDPOINT AND A VOLUME STANDPOINT IN THOSE LOWER STORMS WILL BE LOWER.
MY LAST POINT, UM, IT REALLY IS THE ENTRANCE ON THE BLACK ROCK ROAD RIGHT THERE.
UM, QUITE HONESTLY THIS NO DISRESPECT THAT SEEMS LIKE THE WORST PLACE YOU COULD POSSIBLY PUT IT.
UM, JUST FOR A COUPLE REASONS.
ONE IS, I MEAN, BEYOND THE FACT THERE'S ALREADY A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD AND WHAT THESE GUYS MENTIONED BEFORE ABOUT PEOPLE GETTING IN AND OUT.
UM, ONE IS, THAT'S AN INCLINE THERE LIKE ON THAT LOW ROAD AND IT GOES PRETTY, YOU KNOW, STEEP EITHER WAY.
I JUST SEE THAT'S A, A CAUSE FOR MORE TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS.
AND THE OTHER ONE IS WITH THAT CIR THERE'S GONNA BE A CIRCLE AND THEN SHORTLY AFTER THAT, AN ENTRANCE AND SHORTLY AFTER THAT, THE BRIDGE, I MEAN THIS IS TO ME BOTTLENECK AFTER BOTTLENECK.
UM, I'M CONCERNED PERSONALLY ABOUT LIVING ON THE, AT THE PENINSULA, IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY IN RUSH HOUR, HOW, HOW, HOW MUCH MY HOUSE IS GONNA BE BURNED DOWN BEFORE SOMEONE CAN GET THERE.
UM, WHICH I KNOW THIS IS AN EXTREME CONDITION, BUT ONE SUGGESTION I WANTED TO THROW OUT TO YOU GUYS IS IF WE ARE GONNA PUT, OH, WELL NOT WE, BUT YOU KNOW, IF THE CIRCLE'S GONNA GO THERE, IS THERE ANY WAY TO INTEGRATE YOUR ENTRANCE TO THE CIRCLE ITSELF? SO IT'D BE A FIVE WAY INTERSECTION INSTEAD OF LIKE FOUR WAY, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE FOUR THINGS COME INTO THE CIRCLE AND THEN A COUPLE HUNDRED FEET LATER YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER ENTRANCE.
I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE FOR CONSIDERATION.
'CAUSE IF WE COULD SOMEHOW TIE THAT TOGETHER AND YOU KNOW, GET AWAY FROM LIKE CIRCLE AND THEN STOP AND THEN BRIDGE, THAT WOULD BE NICE.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW ENGINEERING WISE POSSIBLE.
I'M JUST THROWING IT AT THERE.
JUDY SHEETS ONE 17 OLD STATE ROAD.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR SAVING THE OLD ONE, UM, SCHOOLROOM SCHOOLHOUSE.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CREW COME OUT AND CLEAN UP THE AREA.
YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE IT BECAUSE THERE WERE SO MANY TREES, VINES, WEEDS AND EVERYTHING AROUND IT.
IT'S BEEN LEFT TO GO FOR AT LEAST FIVE YEARS.
I COMPLAINED ABOUT IT ONCE BEFORE AND IT WAS CLEANED UP THEN.
BUT
BUT, UH, TO THE ISSUE ABOUT THE, UH, ENTRANCE THERE OR EXIT, WHATEVER YOU CALL, CALL IT, UH, ON UH, BLACKROCK ROAD, UM, I LIVE AT ONE 17 OLD STATE ROAD, WHICH IS JUST ABOVE THAT AREA CLOSE TO SECOND AVENUE.
AND RIGHT NOW WHEN TRAFFIC GETS BACKED UP AT THAT INTERSECTION, I SEE PEOPLE GOING UP OLD STATE ROAD, FLYING UP OLD STATE ROAD TO TRY TO AVOID THAT INTERSECTION.
AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE COME OUT TO JAGER ROAD AND THEN GO OUT TO, UM, THE TRAFFIC LIGHT.
IF KEEP DRIVERS ARE NOT STUPID, IF THEY HAVE TROUBLE COMING OUT THERE AT ONE 13, THEY'RE GONNA USE, UH, ONE OF THOSE OTHER TWO EXITS ON OLD STATE ROAD AND THAT'S GONNA IMPACT TRAFFIC ON OLD STATE ROAD.
YOU BRIEFLY MENTIONED ABOUT WIDENING YEAGER AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE IN MIND.
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WELL, I, I, I, I, MY REFERENCE I THINK WAS MORE TO OLD STATE ROAD BECAUSE WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS ON OLD STATE ROAD ABOUT WHY OLD STATE ON ON LEY, THEY CALL IT THE, THIS WOULDN'T BE THE SOUTHERN SIDE, MORE OR LESS OF OLD STATE ROAD.UM, I DON'T KNOW AND I'LL LET, I'LL DEFER TO MATT ON ANYTHING IN TERMS OF YAGER ROAD.
YEAH, SO I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE, AS OF RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON DOING ANY WIDENING ALONG YEAGER ROAD.
HOWEVER, I WOULD POINT OUT THAT I BELIEVE, UM, AS OUTLINED IN THE TOWNSHIP'S UM, REVIEW LETTER THAT YEAGER ROAD IS CLASSIFIED AS A COLLECTOR ROAD AND ACCORDING TO THE ORDINANCE SHOULD HAVE A MINIMUM CART WEIGHT WIDTH OF 40 FEET.
UM, WHEREAS TODAY, UM, THERE'S A 30 FOOT WIDE ROADWAY.
SO ACCORDING TO THE ORDINANCE, WE WOULD, IF WE COMPLETELY COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE, WE WERE REQUIRED TO WIDEN FIVE FEET ALONG OUR FRONTAGE OF YCA ROAD TO COMPLY WITH A 20 FOOT WIDE HALFWAY ROADWAY.
UM, SO WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT POINT YET, BUT IT IS A CONCERN OR AN ITEM THAT WAS RAISED IN A TOWNSHIP REVIEW LETTER AS OF RIGHT NOW, WITH RESPECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO WIDEN THE ROAD.
UM, BUT AGAIN A COMMENT, UH, TO THE EFFECT OF THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS.
AND WHAT WOULD THAT FIVE FEET ACCOMPLISH? SO THE FIVE FEET WOULD ACCOMPLISH, ESSENTIALLY, UM, IF THE TOWNSHIP COORDINATE STATES THAT THE ROAD BASED ON ITS CLASSIFICATION SHOULD BE 40 FEET WIDE AND IT'S 30, WE ONLY CONTROL ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
WE DON'T CONTROL THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.
SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO WIDEN FIVE FEET ON OUR SIDE OF THE ROAD TO GET A 20 FOOT HALF WIDTH.
SO THE ROAD WOULD BE 35 FEET WIDE, 20 FOOT ON ONE SIDE, 15 ON THE OTHER.
AND THEN THE HOPE IS AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE THERE'S OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT OCCURS OR THE TOWNSHIP OBTAINS UH, FUNDING AND THEY FEEL IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR A 40 FOOT WIDE PARKWAY.
THEN THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT ROAD WOULD BE WIDENED AS WELL.
SO IT EVENTUALLY ACCOMPLISH YOUR 40 FOOT WIDE ROAD.
WELL, SO MY HOUSE IS ON YOUR SIDE OF THE, UH, OF THE ACRE.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT YOU WOULD, IF YOU MAY TAKE FIVE FEET, YOU CAN TAKE FIVE FEET OF MY NO.
SO WE CAN'T TAKE ANY OF YOUR PROPERTY.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT OF WAY WIDTHS ARE OUT THERE.
SO SOMETIMES THE ROAD MAY COME UP TO YOUR GRASS, LET'S SAY FOR SAKE OF ARGUMENT BY ANOTHER FIVE FOOT INSIDE OF YOUR PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE STATE OR OWNED BY THE TOWNSHIP THE RIGHT OF WAY.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO UTILIZE THAT RIGHT OF WAY FOR WIDENING.
WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE PROPERTY FROM YOU.
IF WE NEEDED PROPERTY FROM YOU TO EFFECTUATE AN IMPROVEMENT, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO NEGOTIATE WITH YOU ON THE ACQUISITION OF THAT PROPERTY.
BUT WE CAN'T TAKE IT FROM YOU.
COULD YOU JUST GO BACK TO THAT RIGHT OF WAY THE TOWN AS A RIGHT OF WAY ALONG THE FRONT OF MY PROPERTY.
SO EVERY ROADWAY THERE IS A RIGHT OF WAY, WHETHER IT'S OWNED BY THE STATE OR IT'S OWNED BY THE MUNICIPALITY DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF ROAD.
SO YOUR GRASS, WHERE IT HITS THE STREET, YOUR FRONT YARD, THE PROPERTY, I APOLOGIZE, BUT WHERE THE GRASS HITS THE FRONT STREET IS NOT NECESSARILY, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY OWN ALL THE WAY TO THE STREET.
YOU MAY OWN FIVE FOOT BEFORE THE STREET, YOU MAY OWN TWO FOOT BEFORE THE STREET YOU MAY OWN RIGHT UP TO THE STREET.
THERE'S TYPICALLY RIGHT OF WAY IN AN AREA THAT MUNICIPALITIES OR PIN KNOTS RESERVE, UH, FOR UH, SIGNAGE, UM, RESERVE FOR FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, STORM WATER AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY YOUR SITUATION, BUT IT'S SOMETHING AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE'LL NEED TO GET OBTAINED SURVEY OF ALL THOSE ROADWAYS IN THE FRONTAGE AND DETERMINE WHERE THE EDGE OF THE CART WAY IS AND WHERE THE EDGE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY IS.
HOW WOULD I FIND OUT HOW MY PROPERTY FALLS IN THERE? SURVEY? JUST THE SURVEY YOU WOULD'VE TO GET A HOLD, JEFF? YEAH, THERE'S TWO OPTIONS WE CAN DO HERE.
THAT'S THE MOST RELIABLE METHOD.
THEY COME OUT, THEY LOOK AT YOUR D THEY PLOT IT ALL.
UM, WE CAN ALSO GIVE YOU, EXCUSE ME, THE, YOU CAN PUT IN A RIGHT TO NO REQUEST FOR A PLOT PLAN AND THAT PLOT PLAN WILL SHOW THE DIMENSIONS OF YOUR PROPERTY.
SOME OF THEM MAY SHOW THE RIGHT OF WAY OF AND AND THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD AND SOME DO, SOME DON'T.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR YOUR PROPERTY SPECIFICALLY, BUT WHEN YOU COME IN TO GET THAT PLOT PLAN, YOU AND I CAN GO OVER IT AND I CAN READ THE PLAN TO YOU BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE CAN'T READ THEM.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO SOMEONE WHO HASN'T LOOKED AT PLANS, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS.
ALRIGHT, SO I HAVE TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT WITH YOU.
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NO, YOU CAN COME IN.I MEAN I'M HERE ALMOST EVERY DAY, ALMOST ALL THE TIME.
SO YOU CAN JUST COME IN WHEN IT'S CONVENIENT.
UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND FILLING OUT THE RIGHT TO KNOW REQUEST AHEAD OF TIME, SENDING IT IN THROUGH THE EMAIL THAT'S, THAT'S PROVIDED ON THE RIGHT TO KNOW.
AND THEN CHERYL, THE EXECUTIVE SECRETARY WILL CONTACT YOU AND SAY, I HAVE YOUR RIGHT TO KNOW REQUEST READY TO GO.
I CAN SEND IT TO YOU ELECTRONICALLY OR IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME IN, YOU CAN COME IN.
AND THEN IF YOU GIVE US A GENERAL TIME, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT I'M AROUND.
UM, ALLISON WESLER 180 COUNTRY RIDGE DRIVE.
I'M SORRY, I, UM, ALLISON WESLER 180 COUNTRY RIDGE DRIVE.
UM, SO MY QUESTION IS THE 18 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
SO I LIVE DIRECTLY RIGHT THERE, UM, JUST ABOVE WHERE YOUR ENTRANCE WOULD BE.
I KNOW EARLY ON THEY HAD TALKED ABOUT SETBACKS AND BERMS EVEN IN THAT AREA.
WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? BECAUSE MY HOUSE LOOKS DIRECTLY AT THAT.
WHAT, WHAT WOULD I BE LOOKING AT? WILL I JUST BE LOOKING INTO SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD? YEP, I CAN TAKE THAT MA'AM.
UM, SO WE HAVE, AND I HAVE A WEAKER POINTER THAN THESE GUYS HAVE, BUT WE HAVE, I GOTTA GET A NEW BATTERY.
YEAH, SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A LOT OF ROOM HERE ALONG THE EDGE OF THE ROAD FOR, FOR A BUFFER.
SO IN WHILE WE'RE IN A SKETCH PHASE, WE'LL OBVIOUSLY HAVE LANDSCAPING AND PLANTING BUFFERING AND WE HAVE ROOM TO EVEN BUILD BERMS IN HERE.
SO FORTUNATELY THIS IS ONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES WE HAVE MUCH SMALLER AREAS, BUT IN THIS CASE ALONG THE ROAD WE HAVE, WE HAVE AMPLE ROOM.
AND WHAT DOES LIKE AMPLE ROOM, WHAT DOES THAT, SO I'M JUST LOOKING AT THIS.
IS THAT 10 FEET OR NO, IT'S, THAT'S OVER 50 FEET RIGHT THERE.
UM, AND THEN WHY WOULD YOU HAVE THE ENTRANCE THERE WHEN COUNTRY RIDGE, LIKE WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ENTRANCES AND BECAUSE HAFNER ROAD, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'VE EVER DRIVEN DOWN HANER.
IT GETS VERY TINY AND ALREADY WHEN THERE WAS CONSTRUCTION THEY WERE DOING SOME WORK ON SECOND AVENUE.
MY CHILDREN WERE AT THE BUS STOP, THAT'S THAT CORNER OF COUNTRY RIDGE AND HAFNER.
WE HAD TO HAVE THE POLICE COME OUT BECAUSE THEY WOULD GO PAST THE SCHOOL BUS AS THE SCHOOL BUS STOPPED AND THEY WERE JUST TRYING TO GET PAST SECOND AVENUE AND FLYING DOWN THAT TINY LITTLE ROAD.
OBVIOUSLY IF YOU HAVE THAT SAME ISSUE WITH SECOND AVENUE AND A ROUNDABOUT, WE KNOW EVERYONE THAT LIVES IN THE COMMUNITY THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE CUTTING THROUGH HAFNER TRYING TO INTERSECT THE SECOND AVENUE.
UM, THAT'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC TO BE PUTTING OUT RIGHT.
ONTO THE OLD STATE THAT THEY WOULD BE GOING DOWN HAFNER.
MATT, DO YOU WANT YEAH, I, AND YES I HAVE DRIVEN UP
UM, WE'VE EXPERIENCED LOT MORE ACTIVITY THERE THAN I HAVE.
UM, THAT SECTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT WITH RESPECT TO ACCESS.
I MEAN IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO TIE IT IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER ACCESS POINT ACROSS FROM COUNTRY RIDGE RATHER THAN HAVING AN ADDITIONAL ONE THAT WOULD CREATE EVEN MORE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S ONLY 18 HOMES BUT IN THE MORNING ADDING, YOU KNOW.
ONE OF THE IDEAS IS MAYBE SHIFT THAT ACCESS POINT FURTHER UP OPPOSITE COUNTRY BRIDGE AND MAKE THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS.
I THINK THAT THE, THE THOUGHT PROCESS HERE IS WE WANT TO HAVE TWO ACCESS POINTS TO THAT SECTION OF DEVELOPMENT FOR EMERGENCIES.
SO WE CAN LOOK AT POSSIBLY SHIFTING THAT ACCESS FURTHER UP AND JUST MAKING THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT AS IF THERE'S SO MANY RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE TWO TWO PRIMARY ACCESS UNITS.
AND, AND I'VE GOTTA BE HONEST, I THINK AT ONE POINT WE DID SHOW IT THAT WAY AND I APOLOGIZE, DON'T CALL.
THIS I THINK IS A NEW ACCESS POINT.
AND, AND WE'LL GO BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK.
'CAUSE THE, I YOU'RE RIGHT, THIS IS A NEW, AND I HONESTLY, I'M, I'M NOT RECALLING EXACTLY WHY THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DRIVING KIND OF BRINGING THAT ACCESS AND SO WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
BUT YEAH, JUST THAT THE TRAFFIC THAT THEY'RE TALKING IS GONNA BE CRAZY GOING UP THERE.
ALRIGHT, RYAN STACK 1214 SECOND AVENUE.
IF YOU COULD HANG ON, HOW YOU DOING? HOW DOING THE, CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THE CORNER THERE IN OLD STATE AND SECOND AVENUE? UH, YOU MENTIONED GOING BEHIND MY PROPERTY THERE ON THE CORNER, UH, AND THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER ABOUT WINDING ROOMS. SO THOSE ARE MY MAIN CONCERNS, UH, RIGHT AWAY.
AND, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
WE'VE OBVIOUSLY DISCUSSED THAT IN THE PAST AND, AND YOU VOICED YOUR CONCERNS, WHICH, WHICH WE TOTALLY UNDERSTOOD ABOUT, UM, YOUR PROPERTY.
OBVIOUSLY AS WE DISCUSSED, WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO IN AND AND DO ANYTHING THERE UNILATERALLY.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE TRIED TO DO WAS,
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AS I SAID, THAT WAS KIND OF, THAT WAS THE, THE ENTIRE INTENTION AROUND SHIFTING THINGS TO THE RIGHT THERE SO THAT IF THERE WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT TRYING TO CREATE SOME KIND OF BETTER ALIGNMENT THAT POTENTIALLY EVEN DIPPED DOWN THROUGH THE PROPERTY AND THAT WAS WHAT THE TOWNSHIP WANTED TO SEE AS PART OF THE OVERALL TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS.THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE MOVED THINGS AWAY FROM YOUR PROPERTY.
THERE'S A OKAY, I APPRECIATE THAT.
THERE'S A LOT OF, OF, UH, SOLUTIONS AS FAR AS MAKING OLD STATE ON SECOND AVENUE.
TURN ONLY, UH, BRINGING OLD STATE BEHIND MY PROPERTY.
THERE'S A LOT OF SOLUTIONS OTHER THAN TAKING MY PROPERTY.
BUT THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT I NEEDED.
I THINK MY PROPERTY, MY GARAGE IS ALMOST ON THE ROAD ALREADY.
UH, IT'S A PRETTY VALUABLE PART OF THE PROPERTY.
IT'S NOT MOST AMAZING PROPERTY ON EARTH, BUT THAT, THAT'S A BIG PART OF IT.
UM, THE HOUSE IS CLOSE TO SECOND AVENUE, SO I'M, I GUESS WHAT I WANNA EXPRESS IS MY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CALL IT THE FEAR OF PENDOT ON SECOND AVENUE AND THE TOWNSHIP ON OLD STATE AND ALL THIS IS HAPPENING BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY.
AND IT, YEAH, IT'S NOT A SAFE INTERSECTION, BUT YOU HAD 400 CARS A DAY, THOUSAND CARS, WHO, WHO KNOWS WHAT IT ENDS UP BEING AND YEAH, THAT INTERSECTION WILL BECOME A PROBLEM.
SO YEAH, I THINK THERE'S GONNA, THE PROBLEM WITH THE INTERSECTIONS, BECAUSE OF THIS IS BEING DEVELOPED RIGHT NOW, IT'S, IT'S NO MORE OF A PROBLEM THAN MOST INTERSECTIONS.
I THINK THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS AND PLAN AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
I GIVE 'EM CREDIT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING TO DO SOME SPACE THERE IN CASE THERE IS SOME IMPROVEMENT.
I JUST HAVEN'T SO CONTACTED A LOT OF CHANGES IN THAT AREA IS THAT I HAVEN'T BEEN CONTACTED AND I HAVEN'T BEEN, UH, I THOUGHT I'D RECEIVED A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION UP HERE NOW.
WELL, AND AGAIN, THIS WAS THE FIRST OPPORT ONGOING DISCUSSIONS.
AND, AND THAT WAS, FRANKLY, THIS WAS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY WE'VE HAD TO REVISE THE PLAN AND DO THAT.
BUT IT WAS EXACTLY BECAUSE OF OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS THAT WE DID THAT.
AND THAT WAS THE IDEA OF TRYING TO, TRYING TO LEAVE SOME SPACE UP THERE.
SO WE HAVE FLEXIBILITY BECAUSE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THERE'S NOTHING MORE I COULD HAVE TOLD YOU BECAUSE REALLY, AS YOU SAID, TOWNSHIP AND PENDO ULTIMATELY ARE GONNA BE THE ULTIMATE DRIVERS OF HOW ANY KIND OF RECONFIGURATION OF THAT INTERSECTION CAN BE DONE.
WE JUST WANTED TO SAY, HEY, IF, IF THAT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY ULTIMATELY WE CAN LEAVE FLEXIBILITY THERE THEN, YOU KNOW.
AND MY COMMENTS, MY COMMENTS TO MY TOWNSHIP IS THERE ARE A LOT OF SOLUTIONS WITHOUT TOUCHING MY PROPERTY.
UM, HOPEFULLY THEY'RE DISCUSSED BEFORE.
UH, I THINK ANY DECISIONS I KNOW, KNOW, I KNOW IT'S STILL EARLY.
I THINK YOU GOTTA TRUST, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THAT.
YOU KNOW, ANTHONY'S GONNA LOOK AT THAT REAL CLOSE 'CAUSE IT, IT'S NOT A GOOD INTERSECTION NOW.
AND WHEN YOU SAY, LIKE YOU SAY YOU HAD HOW MANY CARS A DAY? YEAH, IT'S, I MEAN IT'S HAVE TO BE FIXED SOMEHOW.
IT'S NO MORE DANGEROUS THAN MOST INTERSECTIONS.
I MEAN THERE, THERE'S ALWAYS, THERE'S ALWAYS CARS AND PEOPLE FLY DOWN SECOND AVENUE, YOU CAN'T SEE 'EM COMING OVER THAT HILL.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE ARGUING WITH ME, I'M NOT ARGUING.
NO, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT ARGUING.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT I THINK YOU'RE, YOU HAVE TO, YEAH.
SO, AND THEN MY ONLY OTHER COMMENT, NON-RELATED TO MY PROPERTY, WHICH, UH, BECAUSE YEAH, THE ENTRANCE DOWN ON BLACKROCK ROAD THERE, I JUST, THAT IS MOMENTUM.
IT'S PEOPLE RIDING THEIR BRAKES, TRYING TO SLOW DOWN THEIR SPEEDS IN EXCESS OVER 20 MILES PER HOUR OVER THE SPEED LIMIT JUST BECAUSE OF THE GRAVITY.
SO, UM, AND THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE, I, I, I POINTED THAT OUT PERFECTLY.
IT'S, I, I DON'T LIKE THAT INTERSECTION ON.
HI, GOOD EVENING, BLAKE WELLING, 1 35 BENNINGTON ROAD.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE SITE PLAN, AND LET'S TALK ABOUT THE LOCATION OF 389 TOWNHOUSES.
SO THE BOARD HEARD THAT A NUMBER OF FACTORS WERE CONSIDERED IN LOCATING THOSE TOWN HOUSES WHERE THEY ARE NOW IN THE SOUTHWESTERN PORTION OF THE SITE.
NOW, LET'S THINK ABOUT LEADING FACTORS FOR SOME OF THOSE CONSIDERATIONS.
SOME OF THOSE FACTORS THAT WENT INTO THE DECISION TO LOCATE IT IN THAT, THAT, UH, PARTICULAR AREA OF THE PARCEL.
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AND THINK ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY, PUBLIC SAFETY.WHAT KIND OF WAITING FACTOR SHOULD BE APPLIED WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING PUBLIC SAFETY AS OPPOSED TO NATURAL RAMS? I'M JUST OFFERING THAT UP AS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
YOU'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT SOME TRAFFIC CONCERNS ALREADY THIS EVENING.
WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF QUESTIONS, CONCERNS RAISED BY BOWMAN RELATIVE TO THE CONCENTRATION OF TRAFFIC IN THAT SOUTHWESTERN SOUTH SOUTHERN AREA OF THE PARCEL.
WE'VE HEARD CONCERNS ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE ACCESS POINTS, THE CLOSE PROXIMITY OF THAT, UH, SOUTHEASTERN ACCESS ONTO BLACKROCK ROAD RIGHT NEAR THAT CREEK.
SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT ALL OF THE TRAFFIC BEING FUNNELED IN A SMALL AREA, CREATING TRAFFIC CONCERNS, POTENTIAL ACCIDENTS, THINK ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY.
I'LL ADD ANOTHER VERY IMPORTANT POINT.
WE HEARD THAT THE DECISION TO LOCATE THESE TOWNHOUSES WAS BASED ON A NATURAL LANDS REPORT.
IF WE COULD BRING UP THAT, UH, ONE, UH, DIAGRAM THAT SHOWS THE NATURAL LANDS REPORT AS WELL AS, YEAH.
SO LET ME TALK ABOUT SECTION A.
A IS THE ONE THAT YOU SEE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE WITH THAT, UH, FUNNY LITTLE CROSS HASHED AREA RIGHT THERE.
SO WHAT YOU HEARD WAS INCOMPLETE REGARDING THOSE BROWN SECTIONS.
YOU HEARD THAT THOSE WERE LOW PRIORITY AREAS.
BUT LET ME TALK ABOUT SECTION A AND I'M GONNA QUOTE THE WORDS FROM THE NATURAL LANDS TRUST REPORT AREA A, THE SOUTHWESTERN AREA.
THIS AREA HAS THE MOST DIRECT CONNECTION TO THE HIGH PRIORITY AREAS.
THE HIGH PRIORITY AREAS ARE DARK GREEN.
I'M JUST TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT THE POINT OF NATURAL LANDS IS THAT THAT SECTION A, WHERE MOST OF THOSE 389 TOWNHOUSES ARE GONNA BE BUILT, HAS THE MOST DIRECT CONNECTION TO HIGH PRIORITIES AREAS.
THERE IS ALSO A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF AREA IMPACTED BY STANDING WATER AND T AREA A MAY BE CRITICAL FOR HABITAT CONTINUITY.
SO I'LL PROVIDE MY VIEW OF WHAT THAT IS SAYING.
THAT IS SAYING THAT AREA A PROVIDES A DIRECT CONNECTION FOR HABITAT FOR, FOR THE TYPE OF, OF WILDLIFE THAT WILL BE IN THE AREA DOWN BELOW THAT AREA A, WHICH IS, UM, UPPER SCHUELL, UH, VALLEY PARK.
AND THEN IT ALSO IS JUST, UH, UH, DOWN BELOW AN AREA THAT CONNECTS TO A LOT OF OPEN LAND AREA AND UP INTO THE, UH, TO THE, UH, MINGO CREEK AREA.
AND I DO BELIEVE THAT YOU'VE HEARD, UH, THIS EXPRESSED IN THE PAST REGARDING, UH, UH, CONNECTIVITY FOR OPEN SPACE.
BUT I WANT TO CIRCLE BACK AND ASK THAT THE BOARD SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THE NUMBER OF CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED REGARDING TRAFFIC SAFETY, PUBLIC SAFETY, AS WELL AS ALL THE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS RAISED BY BOWMAN.
AND SERIOUSLY CONSIDER WHETHER A REDESIGN IS WARRANTED IN THE BEST INTEREST OF TRAFFIC SAFETY, WHICH SHOULD BE A VERY HIGH CONSIDERATION RELATIVE TO THE NATURAL LAND REPORT.
HI, SUSAN DENBY, 1 3 5 BENNINGTON ROAD.
UH, MIKE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL YOU'VE DONE ON THE PLAN TO PROGRESS IT.
I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF CONSIDERATIONS TO TALK ABOUT, AND I KNOW I, I TALKED ABOUT IT WITH REMY AND, AND THE, THE GROUP, UH, BEFORE ONE THING TO CONSIDER
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IS INSTEAD OF ADDING EGRESSES ONTO ONE 13, LIKE UP WHERE THE CARRIAGE HOMES ARE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHY ADD ONE MORE PLACE WHERE PEOPLE COULD GET IN AN ACCIDENT AND LINK IT UP WITH THE ROAD THAT COMES OUT OF THE CURRENT PARKHOUSE FACILITY? I'M NOT SAYING ON THE PROPERTY OF THE FACILITY, I'M SAYING RIGHT NEXT TO IT.SO THAT WAY IT'S ONE AREA WHERE TRAFFIC IS COMING IN AND OUT OF, RATHER THAN ALL THE WAY DOWN THE ROAD, WE'RE ADDING THINGS.
UM, AND SAME WITH THE, THE ROUNDABOUT THAT'S PROPOSED.
I WONDER, I'M, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHY IT'S MOVED WEST, BUT I, I WONDER WHO WOULD I TALK TO TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT CONFIGURATION? ANTHONY? OH, ANTHONY, OKAY.
THE DRIVER, BECAUSE IT WAS VERY HARD TO FOLLOW WITH ALL THE LINES, AND I REALLY DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHERE, HOW A PERSON COULD WALK ACROSS THAT AND WHERE IT LINKS UP.
LIKE WHERE DOES THE PENINSULA, I LIKE THAT WORD FROM BRAD, THE PENINSULA, PEOPLE WITH THE, UH, THE OVER WELL OVER 200 PEOPLE LIVING THERE.
HOW WOULD WE ACCESS, HOW WOULD WE ACCESS THE TRAIL? IT DOESN'T SHOW ON THE, ON THE ENVY HOMES, UH, SKETCH.
AND IT WAS VERY UNCLEAR ON THE, THE ROUNDABOUT.
I, I FEEL LIKE IF YOU'RE AT THIS WITH THE WAY IT WAS, UH, CIRCLED, AND IT WAS SORT OF TUCKED UNDER AND PEOPLE WOULD BE COMING DRIVING, AND THEN YOU'D HAVE TO CROSS WHERE IT'S CURVED, IT, IT WAS VERY, IT LOOKED VERY DANGEROUS TO ME.
AND I, I, EVERY DAY THERE WAS AN ALMOST AN ACCIDENT.
AND I, I SAW ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT IT SAID ZERO ACCIDENTS.
I WAS FLOORED BECAUSE EVERY DAY I DRIVE ON THAT QUITE A BIT.
AND I CAN SAY EVERY TIME THERE IS A NEAR MISS.
AND, AND I KNOW THAT THAT DOESN'T COUNT AS AN ACCIDENT, BUT IT IS VERY DANGEROUS INTERSECTION.
AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR EVEN MORE POTENTIAL, HAVING PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE CROSSINGS THAT ARE UNSAFE, THAT WE'RE, WE'RE PLANNING 'EM THAT WAY.
AND SO I WOULD ASK US TO REALLY CONSIDER HOW PEOPLE REALLY WOULD CROSS THAT GET TO, UH, I'M HOPING THE TRAIL WILL BE MORE OBVIOUS THAT HOW IT LINKS UP WITH THE, THE SOUTHERN, UM, AREAS.
APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR CONSIDERING THIS.
CAN I, CAN I JUST, UM, RESPOND? I GUESS THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OBVIOUSLY, UH, CONCERNS RAISED WITH RESPECT TO TRAFFIC AND THE ACCESS AND WHATNOT.
UM, AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO SAY IS, IS THAT THIS IS NOT MY FIRST TIME.
IT'S BEING INVOLVED IN A PROJECT OF THIS SCALE THAT HAS MULTIPLE ACCESS POINTS TO SURROUNDING ROADWAYS.
AND ON TOP OF THAT, HAVING ACCESS POINTS, UH, IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO A ROUNDABOUT.
UM, WE'VE WORKED ON, OR I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE TWICE THE SIZE, THREE TIMES THE SIZE AS DEVELOPMENT.
AND IN FACT, UM, THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW THAT'S OPENED UP IN WEST BRANDYWINE TOWNSHIP WHERE PENDOT CAME IN AND INSTALLED A ROUNDABOUT.
AND WE, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT CONSISTS OF ABOUT 250 AGE RESTRICTED HOMES.
AND THERE'S AN ACCESS POINT ABOUT 300 FEET AWAY FROM THE ROUNDABOUT.
UM, SO AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE SCALE OF THIS PLAN IS SOMEWHAT DECEIVING.
THIS DRIVEWAY IS 5, 550, 600 FEET AWAY FROM THE ROUNDABOUT.
PUTTING THAT ASIDE, THERE ARE CRITERIA IN WEST MEET.
IT'S GOTTA BE SAFE, IT'S GOTTA MEET PENOC CRITERIA, IT'S GOTTA MEET TOWNSHIP CRITERIA AS FAR AS THE ACCESS CONCERNED.
WE HAVE TO MEET SITE DISTANCE.
ALL OF THOSE THINGS COME INTO CONSIDERATION.
WE ARE WILL BE WORKING WITH THE TOWNSHIP IN PENDOT TO FURTHER REFINE THE PLAN IF THE DRIVEWAY NEED TO SHIFT A LITTLE BIT, IF CERTAIN MOVEMENTS NEED TO HAPPEN, IF WE NEED TO LOOK AT CERTAIN INTERSECTIONS, INCREASING RADII SITE DISTANCE, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THIS PROCESS.
AND UNTIL WE SATISFY THE TOWNSHIP AND THEIR STAFF AND THEIR PROFESSIONALS, AND MR. VALENCIA IS VERY CAPABLE AND PENDOT, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD, AT LEAST ON THE TRAFFIC SIDE OF THINGS.
SO, AND I JUST, AND LAST THING, I'M SORRY.
AND AS FAR AS THE ROUNDABOUT IS CONCERNED AND JUST NOT, DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR, FOR MR. VALENCIA, I DID LOOK AT THE PLAN AND WHAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED FROM AN ACCESS PERSPECTIVE.
THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY THROUGH THAT ROUNDABOUT IS VERY TYPICAL.
YOU CAN SEE OF A ROUNDABOUT WHERE THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND MAYBE IT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE THE PLAN HAS A NUMBER OF LINES ON IT, BUT THEY DO HAVE THE SPLITTER ISLANDS WHERE YOU HAVE TO CROSS THROUGH THOSE AREAS.
THAT'S ALL PART AND PARCEL TO THAT ROUNDABOUT.
AND WE WOULD LOOK TO LINK OUR PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES INTO THOSE PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES.
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WE AGREE.I MEAN, THE BOARD AGREES BECAUSE WE, WE KNOW THAT THIS JUST TE MM-HMM,
WASN'T THERE A BIG WORD? IS THAT TENTATIVE? I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE AWAY FROM THIS GRAN IS THIS IS A CONCERN, RIGHT? THE TRAFFIC, THEY INTERACT, THE PEOPLE WHERE THEY'RE GONNA GO IS A CONCERN.
WE'RE NOT EXPECTING YOU TO HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS OR THIS IS THE PERFECT PLACE, OR WE UNDERSTAND THAT ANTHONY'S GOING TO GET INVOLVED.
WE HAVE A LOT OF TRUST IN THAT MAN.
AND, BUT I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE AWAY IS THAT THIS IS A CONCERN WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA GET IN AND OUT AND HOW THAT'S GONNA CHANGE.
YOU KNOW, THE GENTLEMAN THAT LIVES ON SECOND AVENUE THERE, I MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU GOTTA UNDERSTAND HIS CONCERNS, MAN.
SO I THINK THAT ALL THESE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THAT, PLEASE DON'T TAKE IT, I THINK IT'S CRITICISM, IT'S MORE JUST CHANGE IN CONCERN AND THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S GONNA BE ADDRESSED AS THE ONE WAY TO SIT PLANNING PROPERLY.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE TAKEAWAY HERE.
I THINK YOU DO, HE DOING THIS WRONG THAN ME.
I THINK MY COMMENTS WERE MORE FROM THE RESIDENTS CONCERNS, UNDERSTAND THIS IS A PROCESS THAT WON'T GO RIGHT AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT.
LET'S, LET'S, LET'S MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THIS IS GONNA GET WORKED ON.
MAYBE WE NEED TO, FROM A STAFF LEVEL, INCORPORATE THAT INTO THEIR PLANS A LITTLE BIT SO WE CAN SEE FROM MAYBE THE NEXT MEETING OR MAYBE IN THE NEAR FUTURE, AT LEAST A SKETCH PLAN, SOMETHING COLORIZED THAT DOESN'T HAVE ALL OF THE ENGINEERING LINES ON IT TO MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND THAT, AT LEAST HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THAT ROUNDABOUT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
SO FOR THE MEETING ON THE 20TH THAT THEY'LL BE BACK AT, WE'LL PLAN ON HAVING SOME EXHIBIT OF SOME SORT TO LOOK AT THAT ROUNDABOUT AND EXPLAIN IT.
WE MAY NOT HAVE TO INTEGRATE WITH THEIR PLANS.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE NECESSARILY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT OR THE ENGINEERING ABILITY TO DO THAT, BUT, UM, WE'LL AT LEAST HAVE IT SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT INTELLIGENTLY OR SOMEONE TELLS YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING IS THAT RECOGNIZE THE CONCERN AND THAT WE ALL DO THAT.
AND I MEAN, WE'RE TO MOVE ON FROM THE STANDPOINT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL IN DESIGN OF IT.
SO WE DON'T WANNA PUT TOO MUCH OUT THERE, BUT I THINK WE'RE IN PLACE TO WHERE WE CAN PUT IT PUBLICLY.
I THINK IN THE EXHIBIT, I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, SUSAN WAS EXPRESSED, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE CONFUSION WITH THE LINES.
IT WAS MORE INTENDED FOR THE ENGINEERING TRACK PLANNING AND THE APPLICANT'S TEAM.
AND CERTAINLY, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, JEFF, THAT SUBMISSION IS FORTHCOMING AND THOSE PLANS ARE GONNA BE A LOT MORE BROKEN UP, IS MORE DEFINED IN THAT EXHIBIT, I THINK, UM, WOULD MAKE SENSE BECAUSE I, I THINK IT'S, THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO DO THAT.
WORKING MY WAY BACK TO THIS IS BILL, WHILE YOU'RE HANDING THAT OUT, UM, I NEED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT EAC STUFF AFTER THE MEETING.
SO THIS IS, UH, SIMILAR TO THIS, THE PLAN I HANDED OUT ON AUGUST 7TH.
UM, DID YOU GET ONE THAT NEEDS GENTLEMEN? THIS IS, IS THIS IS ONE YOU SHARED? YEAH, WE DO HAVE A COPY OF IT.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS EARLY ON, UH, IN THE PRESENTATION HERE WAS ABOUT CONTIGUOUS OPEN SPACE AND, YOU KNOW, OUR, UM, RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE THE, WHAT'S SHOWN AS THE BROWN SPOT HERE ON THIS PLAN AS THE OPEN SPACE IS IT'S CONTIGUOUS WITH THE UPPER SCO VALLEY PARK AND OTHER COUNTY LANDS DOWN IN LONG ONE 13.
BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH I BELIEVE IS GONNA BE ADOPTED IN DECEMBER, POSSIBLY NOVEMBER.
NOVEMBER, THE HEARING IS NOVEMBER 8TH.
UH, YOU KNOW, UNDER THE FOCUS AREAS FOR OPEN SPACE, UM, THEY REFER TO THE, UH, SECOND AVENUE AREA.
AND IT SAYS HERE IS ONE OF THE LARGEST AREAS OF VACANT PROPERTY WITH PROXIMITY TO THE SCHULL RIVER.
THE OBJECTIVE IS TO PRESERVE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, THE METHOD FOR PRESERVATION HAS NOT BEEN IDENTIFIED.
THAT THE BOARD HAS EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN SELF-FUNDING, THE PURCHASE OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, STRENGTHENING THE TRANSFER OF DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT.
COORDINATES, AND OF COURSE WORKING THROUGH GRANT PROGRAMS AND OTHER FUNDING SOURCES THAT'S KIND OF IDENTIFIED.
SO CAN YOU PUT THE TENTATIVE SKETCH BACK? SO WHAT YOU KNOW, WE'RE ADVOCATING FOR IS THAT THE PINK AREAS THAT ARE PROPOSED AS OPEN SPACE BE DEVELOPED WITH THE HOMES AS PROPOSED HERE.
AND THEN WHAT I'M SHOWING ON THE PLAN I GAVE TO YOU BECOMES THE OPEN SPACE.
AND THEN EVERYTHING FROM OLD STATE ROAD GOING WEST TOWARDS DOMINGO CREEK IS THE AREA THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT
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IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO BE CONSERVED.THIS WOULD BE CONTIGUOUS OPEN SPACE.
UM, AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONTIGUOUS OPEN SPACE, WE'RE TALKING NOT JUST FOR HUMAN, UH, RECREATION AND SO FORTH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BIODIVERSITY, MIGRATING BIRDS, THE INSECTS THAT THEY FEED ON, AND THE WILDLIFE WITH THE OPEN SPACE UP AGAINST DIEGO ROAD AND, UH, OLD STATE ROAD AT THE TOP THERE, THAT'S REALLY A CUL-DE-SAC.
YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY NOT CONTIGUOUS.
IT'S, IT'S CONTIGUOUS DOWN TO THE, THE STREAMED.
BUT, UM, AS FAR AS WILDLIFE AND BIODIVERSITY, IT DOESN'T REALLY PROMOTE IT.
SO FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE'D, UH, LIKE TO ADVOCATE THAT THAT PIECE IS THE OPEN SPACE.
WELL, WE'VE ALL SEEN THIS BILL.
WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE LOOKED AT, THIS OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T WORK, OR YOU DON'T FEEL THAT IT WORKS AS WELL, OR THE, THE THOUGHT QUESTION.
I, I DON'T, AGAIN, I THOUGHT THEY RAISED SOME, SOME VALID POINTS AND WE AGREE WITH SOME WE DIDN'T, BUT WE LOOKED AT WHAT WAS THE CONSENSUS WITH THE ITEMS I LISTED EARLIER, RIGHT? WHAT THE TOWNSHIP'S INTENTION WAS, WHAT THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS WERE AND WHAT THE NATURAL LAND TRUST REPORTED.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY'S ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION AS TO WHERE THEY THINK WE SHOULD LOCATE THIS AND DO THIS.
WE WERE TRYING TO TAKE THE CONSENSUS THAT WE HAD UNDERSTOOD AT THIS POINT, PULL IT ALL TOGETHER AND SAY, THIS IS ULTIMATELY THE FEEDBACK WE'VE GOTTEN FROM ALL THE VARIOUS SOURCES.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THE REVELATION OF LET'S CONSERVE MORE LAND AND LET'S CONSERVE IT UP TO THE MINGO CREEK, NOW WE'VE GOT CONTIGUOUS OPEN SPACE, MIGRATING BIRDS MIGHT BE COMING UP THE CHUCO RIVER.
WE HAVE BLACKROCK PRESERVE RIGHT ACROSS THE RIVER.
THEY'RE GONNA MIGRATE UP THROUGH ALL THAT OPEN SPACE TO THE MINGO CREEK VALLEY.
AND NOW THEY HAVE ANOTHER RIBBON OF, OF, UH, GREEN A GREENWAY TO, TO, UH, CONTINUE THEIR MIGRATION AND SO FORTH.
NOT TO MENTION POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, RECREATION DOWN THE ROAD.
IF, IF, UH, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE TOWNSHIP REQUIRES AND WHAT TRAILS MIGHT GET BUILT, IT WOULD BE A GREAT THING.
MARK CONLEY, 2 0 9 MONTGOMERY AVENUE.
UM, YEAH, I SUPPORT MOVING THE DEVELOPMENT UP COUNTRY AND GOING WITH THE GREENWAY.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS IS, IS THAT, UH, WAY BACK IN 1986, PHOENIXVILLE HAD A GREENWAY PLAN.
IN 1989, A NONPROFIT WAS INCORPORATED CALLED THE PHOENIX IRON CANAL AND TRAIL ASSOCIATION.
AND, UH, WE AS THE GREEN TEAM NOW HAVE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 35 YEARS PROMOTING TRAIL CONNECTIVITY.
AND, UH, MY COMMENTS ARE TO HAVE EVERYONE UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE EXACTLY.
SO, UM, MANY OF YOU KNOW, BUT JUST TO MAKE A POINT, PHOENIXVILLE IS WHERE IT IS BECAUSE THE FRENCH CREEK GOES THROUGH THAT VALLEY.
AND, UM, THERE'S A REALLY GOOD BIT OF NEWS.
YOU MAY NOT HAVE HEARD IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT FULLY PUBLISHED RIGHT NOW, BUT CHESTER COUNTY JUST CAME OUT WITH THEIR MASTER TRAIL PLAN AND THEY SELECTED 10 PROJECTS AS CATALYST.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW ABOUT CATALYST, BUT CATALYST CHANGED CHEMISTRY BECAUSE RATHER THAN JUST ADDING ENERGY TO A REACTION, YOU ADD A CATALYST AND IT SPEEDS UP THE PROCESS.
CHESTER COUNTY SELECTED THE UNDERPASS IN PHOENIXVILLE AT THE RAILROAD, AND THEY SELECTED THE CONNECTION OF THE PHOENIXVILLE GREENWAY AT GIANT TO THE FRENCH CREEK TRAIL.
MY POINT BEING IS THAT GREAT THINGS ARE HAPPENING IN THE TRAIL WORLD, AND I THINK WE HAVE AN UNBELIEVABLE OPPORTUNITY.
AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, THE THUMB IN PHOENIXVILLE HAS A TRAIL AT BLACKROCK BASIN THAT'S CALLED THE BLACKROCK, WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY CALLED THE TIC TRAIL, NAMED AFTER ORGANIZATION THAT CAN BE ACCESSED OVER ROUTE ONE 13 BRIDGE.
AND AS YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY AND THE TOWNSHIP HAS THE SCHULE TRAIL THAT'S ON MONTGOMERY AVENUE.
SO IF WE GET ACROSS ONE 13 BOTH AT THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE BRIDGE, WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CIRCULATION AROUND THE WHOLE, BOTH TOWNSHIPS, IN MY OPINION, THAT WILL REQUIRE
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THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BRIDGE AT THE STREAM TO BE A CATALYST FOR THIS CONNECTION.AND I HOPE THAT EVERYONE CAN JOIN IN THIS IDEA.
THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT WHEN THE BRIDGE WAS CONSTRUCTED, RECONSTRUCTED, REDESIGNED IS THAT WE HAVE A TRAIL CONNECTION UNDER THE ROAD ALONG THE STREAM BANK DONE ALL THE TIME.
IT'S ALSO A VERY, VERY GOOD THING TO SUPPORT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, THE OPEN SPACE.
IF THERE IS A PASSAGE UNDER THAT ROAD, THE ANIMALS WILL NOT BECOME THE ROAD KILL THAT WE'RE USED TO SEEING ALL THE TIME ON HIGHWAYS.
SO WE HOPE THAT THE DEVELOPER, TOWNSHIP COUNTY CAN COME TOGETHER WITH PENDOT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ACCESS UNDER ROUTE ONE 13 AT THAT STREAM.
ANY GRADE CROSSING IS NOT GOING TO BE THE CATALYST THAT IT CAN BE.
SO THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE ITEM.
THE OTHER ITEM IS HAVING BEEN IN THIS TRAILS ADVOCACY GAME FOR 35 YEARS, I'VE BEEN IN THESE ROOMS WHERE TRAILS HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT IN DEVELOPMENTS THIS SIZE.
AND WHAT'S ALWAYS LEFT ON THE TABLE IS, IS THERE PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE TRAILS? HOW ARE THE TRAILS GONNA BE DESIGNED? IS THE PUBLIC GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO ON THIS RE I WALK ON CHARLESTOWN HUNT'S TRAIL, NOT, NOT SUPPOSED TO
I'VE SEEN IT ALL OVER THE PLACE.
AND I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT AT THIS STAGE OF THE GAME, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH OPEN SPACE THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT THE CIRCULATION AND THE CONNECTIONS PROVIDE FOR THE PUBLIC, NOT JUST THE RESIDENTS TO UTILIZE THESE TRAILS.
AND, UH, WE'LL SUPPORT WITH OUR NONPROFIT, ANY OF THE APPLICATIONS FOR GRANTS.
THERE'S PLENTY OF MONEY OUT THERE.
THIS IS AN AWESOME OPPORTUNITY.
LET'S ALL BE CATALYST MR. CONING.
WE ALREADY HAVE A GRANT APPLICATION OUT TO DO A, A, UM, A TRAIL MASTER PLAN WITH BOB THOMAS.
UM, UH, IF IT'S THROUGH DCED, GOOD MAN.
YOU COULD, IF YOU COULD WRITE US A LETTER SAYING IN SUPPORT, WE'D APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, CONTACT MY OFFICE.
I MEAN THAT GRANT APPLICATION'S BEEN IN FOR QUITE A WHILE.
WE'RE STILL WAITING TO HEAR FROM IT, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS STICK A NOTE ON THE END OF IT IF WE HAVE TO.
SO IF, IF YOU COULD REACH OUT TO ME, I'D APPRECIATE THAT.
OUR TRAIL MASTER PLANNING IS, IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN, UM, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO.
AND, AND, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE AREA, I THINK IN THIS TOWNSHIP OF POPE JOHN PAUL RITTENHOUSE ROAD IN THAT AREA, THAT'S AN AREA WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN ABLE TO CONNECT A LOT OF OUR TRAILS.
SOME CONNECTIONS STILL NEED TO BE MADE.
I WON'T, I WON'T, YOU KNOW, COLOR DIFFERENTLY.
UM, BUT THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS UP THERE, WE'VE REALLY BEEN ABLE TO CONNECT A LOT OF TRAILS AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO HERE.
I MEAN, I'VE TALKED, SPOKEN TO RENNY, BRIAN'S BEEN INVOLVED WITH ALL OF THAT.
SO HE KNOWS MY GAME, HE KNOWS EXACTLY HOW I WORK BRIAN TIERNAN OVER THERE.
SO WE WE'RE GONNA GET THERE AND, AND INSIGHTS LIKE YOURS WITH THE, THE UNDERPASS FOR, FOR LIFESTYLE LIVESTOCK, FOR, UH, FOR, FOR ANIMALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT IS GREAT KNOWLEDGE AND, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DEFINITELY WANT TO, IT'S AN EXTRA POINT IN THE GRANTS IF YOU CAN SAY THAT YOU'RE SUPPORTING THE GREENWAY AND, AND, AND HABITAT AND, AND FLORA AND FAUNA.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE TIME.
IF YOU THERE, MR. CONLEY, IF I CAN GIVE YOU MY CARD TO GET US SOMETHING, I WOULD, I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.
AND WE CAN GET YOU A COPY OF THE GRANTS APPLICATIONS.
HI, VICTORIA BRIGHT
UM, AGAIN, THANK YOU, UH, ORDERS FOR HOLDINGS, NDR, MR. SATANI, MR. BERMAN, THE COMMITTEE TO, UH, HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THIS VERY LONG, LONG PROJECT IN MY PERSONAL LIFE.
SO, UM, RANDY, WOULD I BE ABLE TO BORROW YOUR POINTER JUST FOR A SECOND? ABSOLUTELY.
SO MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHARE IT.
UM, SO, UM, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I JUST WANTED TO DO WAS, AGAIN, KIND OF, UH, THANK THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COLLABORATION IN THE PROJECT.
UM, WE'VE OBVIOUSLY COME A LONG WAY.
I DO REMEMBER THE PHONE CALL ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO SAYING YOU MIGHT WANNA SHOW UP AT THIS MEETING THAT THEY'RE HAVING AT THE TOWNSHIP ABOUT PARK HOUSE.
AND HERE I HAVE BEEN DOWN FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
UM, THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT,
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UH, HAVING JUST GOTTEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO READ THROUGH THE 60 PAGES OF DOCUMENTS AND UH, I'M SURE YOU GUYS ALL READ IT IN DETAIL AS WELL AS THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY OF 772 PAGES THAT WAS SENT OUT TODAY AT 2:56 PM YEAH, I READ IT YESTERDAY.I THOUGHT YOU DID
AFTER A FULL DAY OF, OF WORKING FROM 7:00 AM YOU HAD THE BRAILLE TRAININGS.
SO, UM, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO, TO MAKE COMMENT TO ALL OF THE ISSUES.
I DID SEND OUT, UH, SOME LETTERS TODAY TO, UH, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE PARK HOUSE FRIENDS ADVOCACY GROUP.
UH, I THINK WE GOT, UH, SENT OUT TO THE PLANNING COMMITTEE, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, MR. BERLIN AND MR. SATANI.
SO IF YOU NEED AN EXTRA LETTER, I HAVE ONE HERE.
SO IT EXPLAINS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR, UM, OUR THOUGHTS.
AND WE'VE BEEN MEETING WITH, UH, NVR SINCE, UH, REALLY SINCE JULY IN TERMS OF EMAILS AND CORRESPONDENCE.
BUT I WANTED TO WALK THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF THE, THE RATIONALE BEHIND WHY WE ARE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND SAFETY, SAFETY, SAFETY.
I LIVE ON DR. BEST ROAD IN THE RIVERS BEND COMMUNITY.
LIVED THERE FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS NOW.
THERE'S NOTHING MORE LIKE BEING A BEHAVIORAL HEALTH WORKER COMING DOWN THAT HILL AT THE END OF THE DAY AND BEING ABLE TO SEE A BEAUTIFUL SUNSET AND COMING INTO MY LITTLE PARADISE, GETTING OUT IN THE MORNING IS HELL SOMETIMES GETTING HOME IS HELL BECAUSE WE HAVE A BRIDGE, BUT WE KNOW THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENT THAT IS GONNA TAKE SOME TIME.
AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS FIRST AND FOREMOST IS TO DO AN OVERLAY OF THE CIRCLE ONTO THE SKETCH, THE PROPOSED PLAN FOR THE CIRCLE, BECAUSE I THINK IT WILL GIVE US SOME GUIDANCE AS TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE ENTRANCES EGRESS, ET CETERA ARE AND HOW IT'S GONNA FLOW.
SO I KNOW THAT THAT TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY 772 PAGES PROBABLY HAS SOMETHING THAT SAYS HOW MANY CARS ARE COMING DOWN SECOND AVENUE, HOW MANY ARE COMING OUT OF ONE 13 OFF OF DR.
BUS, UH, AT CERTAIN HOURS OF THE DAY.
BUT CERTAINLY WE KNOW THAT TRAFFIC CIRCLES ARE NOT, UH, WE'RE NOT LIKE PROBABLY PROFESSIONALS IN THIS AREA OF THE COUNTY TO KNOW HOW TO MANAGE TRAFFIC CIRCLES.
WE JUST HAD A TRAFFIC CIRCLE PUT IN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO OVER AT THE WEGMAN SHOPPING CENTER.
AND THAT CLEARLY HAS CONFUSED AND CONTINUES TO CONFUSE MANY PEOPLE.
I HAVE SEEN CARS GO OVER THAT NICE LITTLE MEDIAN HUMP THINKING THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO GO STRAIGHT
SO, UM, THANKFULLY IT WASN'T ME.
SO, UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO, TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CERTAINLY THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE WOULD HOPE TO SEE HAPPEN WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS ENTRANCE HERE.
UM, I ACTUALLY HAVE THE TRAFFIC PLANS THAT WERE PROPOSED.
AND THE WAY I MEASURE THIS, UM, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT A TRAFFIC PERSON, BUT YOU GUYS PROBABLY CAN FIGURE THIS OUT.
THERE'S A MEDIAN THAT RUNS THROUGH THAT TRAFFIC THAT ENTERS INTO THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE.
THERE, THAT'S WHAT WE, SO IF THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE IS ABOUT RIGHT IN HERE, THERE'S GONNA BE A, A SPLITTER ISLAND THAT PROBABLY COMES RIGHT SIDE.
WELL, THERE'S TWO, THERE'S TWO PROPOSALS THAT ARE, THAT WERE PRESENTED.
SO WE'LL, THAT'S WHY I SAID IT WOULD HELP BE VERY HELPFUL TO SEE AN OVERLAY OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE PLAN.
GOING BACK WHEN WE SAW THIS, FIRST AND FOREMOST, I GUESS BACK IN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SPRING, WE KIND OF WENT, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
AND I, I THINK OUR CONCERN WAS FIRST AND FOREMOST WAS THIS MAJOR AMOUNT OF HOUSES.
THAT'S A, THAT'S 300 TIMES PROBABLY TWO CARS EACH, AT LEAST IN AND OUT.
AND FOLKS ARE NOT GONNA PROBABLY COME OFF OF, UH, OLD STATE ROAD.
THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA GO TOWARDS PHOENIXVILLE.
AND THE CLOSEST WAY TO GO TO TOWARDS PHOENIXVILLE AGAIN, WOULD BE THIS ENTRANCE.
IF THEY'RE TRYING TO GET TO WEGMANS, THEY'RE GONNA PROBABLY GO AGAIN OR 4 22 OUT OF THIS ENTRANCE.
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OF TRAFFIC ENTERING AND EXITING, AND IT'S A SAFETY FACTOR.SO IF THE TOWNSHIP REALLY IS WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR ROADS MAINTAIN A SAFETY THAT HAS TO GO AWAY, IT'S, IT'S A DANGEROUS, DANGEROUS, AND PLEASE CONSIDER JUST THAT IF THIS PLAN STAYS THE WAY IT IS, THAT ENTRANCE HAS TO GO AWAY.
WHEN WE ACTUALLY MET WITH, UH, RENNY AND HIS GROUP, WE DID, AND YOU ALL HAVE A SKETCH IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT NOT EVERYONE HAS SEEN THE SKETCH.
I HAVEN'T, I DON'T KNOW IF JEFF WAS ABLE TO PUT SOMETHING UP ON HIS PDF 'CAUSE HE HAS A COPY OF THE SKETCH.
WHEN WE SAW THE PINK AREA AND WE LOOKED AT THE NATURAL LAND TRUST, WE WENT, OH, ACTUALLY THEY ARE PRESERVING MOST OF THAT PRIORITY AREA, BUT THE NATURAL LANDS TRUST.
AND IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT, MR. UH, WRIGHT, I CAN GIVE YOU A COPY OF IT HERE AS WHAT, UH, MR. WELLING SAID IS THE PRIORITY AREA ACTUALLY IS A, IT'S THIS AREA RIGHT IN HERE BECAUSE OF THE SLOPE AND THE WATER SEEPS AND THE WATER RUNOFF.
AND AGAIN, WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE WATER IMPACT, THE STORM MANAGEMENT IMPACT AROUND HERE.
BUT IF YOU'VE CREATED HOUSES UP HERE, EVEN IF YOU'RE PLANNING ON DONATING THAT AS PROPERTY, WHY DON'T YOU KEEP THOSE HOUSES THERE? WE DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH RENNY AND, AND, UH, UH, MR. STARLING A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND MADE SUGGESTION TO RIGHT WHERE THIS ROAD IS.
AND AGAIN, I'M SORRY FOR SHAKING, BUT, UM, JUST TO CUT IT OFF AND BRING IT DOWN AND TO KEEP ALL OF THIS, KEEP THIS, KEEP THIS, KEEP THIS, BUT TO GET RID OF ALL OF THIS.
AND THE REASON WHY WE'RE DOING THAT AGAIN, THE AMOUNT OF HOUSES, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, THE SAFETY, THE WATER RUNOFF, IT IS A CONTIGUOUS OPEN SPACE HERE TO THE PARK.
THERE WAS LOTS OF CONCEPTS OF TRYING TO KEEP THIS AS AN OPEN MEADOWS.
OPEN MEADOWS ARE VERY, VERY POSITIVE FOR US IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF 'EM BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING RID OF THEM AND WE'RE BUILDING HOUSES.
BUT TO HAVE THAT BE A CONTINUOUS OPEN SPACE, WHEN WE SUGGESTED KEEPING THIS, THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP IN OUR MEETING THAT THE TOWNSHIP MIGHT CONSIDER BUYING THIS LITTLE PROPERTY OF LAND HERE.
AND IF THIS IS GONNA BE OPEN SPACE, AND THIS IS GONNA BE OPEN SPACE, WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE PARK, BUT WE HAVE A PARK A MILE AWAY AND ANOTHER PARK LITERALLY ANOTHER QUARTER MILE AWAY.
SO I'M CONFUSED WHY WE WOULD EVER CONSIDER BUILDING THAT, YOU KNOW, TAKING THAT PROPERTY.
THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT CAME INTO THE PLANT SO QUICKLY.
SO FROM A TOWNSHIP'S PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE LOOKING AT CREATING A PARK LIKE ANDERSON FARM PARK OR BLACKROCK PARK.
I MEAN, THAT'S NOT THE TYPE OF PARK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE'RE TALKING MORE OF A TAILORED PASSIVE RECREATION TRAILS, PICNIC GROVES, THINGS LIKE THAT IN THAT AREA.
IF ANYTHING, PERFECT OPPORTUNITY, PERFECT OPPORTUNITY RIGHT IN THERE.
SO I, I THINK, I THINK WHAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, NOTING THAT THERE ARE ENTRANCES, WE'RE NOT DISPUTING THE NUMBER OF HOUSES WHEN WE DID THE NUMBER, WE CUT DOWN THE SAME AMOUNT.
YOU HAVE ALL THE SAME 585 HOUSES.
IN FACT, I THINK WE GAVE YOU ONE EXTRA IN OUR LITTLE SKETCH PLAN, WHICH CAME TO 5 86.
UM, IT, IT JUST SEEMED TO BE MUCH MORE APPEALING TO THE IDEA OF IDEA HAVING LIKE A SECTION OVER HERE, A SECTION OVER HERE, THIS SECTION.
AND I WOULD HAVE TO SAY IF I'M AN OLDER ADULT AND I'M COMING OUT OF THIS OLDER ADULT, 'CAUSE THAT'S MAYBE MY 55 PLUS, I'M GONNA BE REALLY SCARED COMING ONTO ONE 13 HERE.
AND I'M GONNA BE REALLY SCARED COMING OUTTA SOUTH TRAP ROAD HERE.
BECAUSE AGAIN, IF YOU'VE DRIVEN THE ROADS AT ANY TIME OF THE DAY, EVEN IF IT'S LIKE CALM, THE SIGHT LINES ARE NOT SAFE.
NOW I DON'T WANT TO AGE MYSELF AND I THINK I'M PRETTY FLEXIBLE, BUT I HAD SOME VERTEBRAE SURGERY A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND I CAN BARELY TURN MY NECK TO GET ALL THE WAY AROUND AGAIN OFF OF THAT SECOND AVENUE AREA.
AND THESE TWO AREAS HERE, I'VE TRIED IT MULTIPLE TIMES.
SO IF WE WERE THINKING ABOUT A 65 OR A
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55 PLUS OLDER, YOU KNOW, ACTIVE ADULT COMMUNITY, AND I'M, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS, MAYBE I'LL BUY ONE OF THEM.I'M GONNA BE REALLY SCARED COMING OUT OF AN ENTRANCE HERE OR AN EX ENTRANCE HERE.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE BROUGHT THIS UP TO NVR.
WE'VE SAID THERE IS RATIONALE FOR THE REASON WHY YOU SHOULD MOVE AT LEAST THIS PORTION OVER TO HERE.
YOU'VE ALREADY GOT BIGGER ROAD ACCESS.
YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT MORE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE ROADWAYS.
PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET TO 4 22, THEY'RE JUST GONNA GO DOWN VAUGHN ROAD RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S ALL YOU NEED TO DO, HAVE THE, THE TRAFFIC FLOW TO THIS AREA.
SO AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THAT, THE COMMENTS, UM, I APPRECIATE THAT NATURAL LANDS TRUST IS BEING CONSIDERED NOW AS A, AS A PIECE OF RESOURCE.
BUT MAKE SURE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE FULL REPORT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY SAY WE CANNOT BUILD HERE.
YOU'RE KEEPING OBVIOUSLY THESE HIGH BUFFER AREAS, THESE, UH, AREAS THAT ARE CONSIDERED PRIORITY.
EVEN IF YOU BUILT HERE, YOU'RE KEEPING THOSE AREAS.
WHAT WE'RE DOING IS KEEPING AN OPEN MEADOW AND, AND OPEN SPACE WHERE THE ENTRANCE OF THE TOWNSHIP THEN BECOMES STILL THE IDEA OF WE'RE WE'RE RICH IN OUR HISTORY.
WE HAVE OPEN SPACE, WE'RE PRIORITIZING SOME OF THAT, AND WE'RE PRIORITIZING THE SAFETY, HEALTH, AND WELFARE OF THE RESIDENTS BY NOT CONGESTING THAT AREA.
UM, SO I'VE LIVED THROUGH MY WHOLE LIFE AND UM, THIS, THIS MAKES ME SICK.
I'M LOSING SLEEP OVER IT BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC THAT HAD TO COME DOWN TO LOWE'S AND TO TARGET THE WATER RUN OFF IN 1984, UM, I'M SORRY, 92, 93 WHEN THE HOUSES ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME WERE BUILT AND UP OFF OF BLACKROCK, COMING DOWN TO GUMS ROAD, THOSE HOUSES, I'M TELLING YOU, YOU'RE GONNA GET FLOODED.
ALL THAT AREA'S GONNA BE FLOODED.
IT FLOODS ALONG BLACKROCK ROAD ON THE RIGHT SIDE HEADING DOWN TO THE RIVER.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ON BLACKROCK ROAD FROM GUMS ROAD TURNING LEFT, GOING WEST ON BLACKROCK.
IT IT'S WIDE AND IT'S, IT'S DISGUSTING THERE.
TAKE IN YOUR ROUNDABOUT ROAD, I'M AN EXPERT AT IT, GROWN UP WITH IT IN THE MIDDLE OF PENNSYLVANIA.
BUT IF YOU WOULD JUST CONNECT WHERE THOSE HOMES ARE, I UNDERSTAND SHE DOESN'T WANT THOSE HOMES UP THERE, BUT IF YOU DID A ROUNDABOUT UP CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTION THERE AT SECOND AVENUE AND DRIVE, YOU'D HAVE A BETTER OFF MOVING IT UP HIGHER, NOT DOWN LOWER BECAUSE THAT WATER'S GONNA RUN OFF LIKE IT HAS DONE DOWN TO THE RIVER THERE.
JUST, JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THE ROUNDABOUT.
THAT'S A PROJECT BEING, OH, I'M SORRY.
THAT'S THE
AGAIN, THAT'S MONEY THAT WE GOTTA A BUILD THAT OUR TAXES WENT TO FOR YOU GUYS TO BUILD THIS.
IT WAS TO THE ROUNDABOUT IT WAY BEFORE WE WERE EVER CORRECT IN HERE OR IT WAS DONE IN 2000.
BUT IT COULD HAVE BEEN, I BELIEVE A BETTER RED LIGHT WOULD BE THERE THAN A ROUNDABOUT.
I'M A PROPONENT OF THE RED LIGHTS.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS, AND ALSO AT THE OTHER END, THE ROAD USED TO CONNECT THERE BEHIND OFF OF YEAGER ROAD.
REMEMBER THE NAME OF THAT ROAD THERE? DO YOU SEE LIKE THE BOTTOM RIGHT WHERE IT'S LIKE A SOUTH TRACK? SOUTH TRACK SOUTH TRACK.
WHERE TO THE RIGHT, GO TO THE RIGHT.
SEE HOW IT'S A TRIANGLE THING THERE? MM-HMM.
SO WHY CAN'T YOU CONNECT THAT TAKE NO ROAD COMING OUT OF THERE.
TAKE MAKE A PATH, GO ACROSS BEHIND THE, DEVELOPED THE NURSING HOME, MAKE A ROAD THERE, MAKE A BRIDGE TO CONNECT OUTSIDE, CONNECT THAT TO THAT SIDE.
THEY WANTED LIKE, HEY, DRIVE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO BE A LITTLE SAFER.
THEY COULD DRIVE A HUNDRED FEET OR SO TO BE SAFER TO NOT TO LIKE CONGEST THE TRAFFIC COMING OUT FOR US.
WHY DID YOU GUYS ADD THE HOMES,
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THE PINK HOMES UP THERE.NOW YOU GOT IT IN THEIR MINDS THAT THEY'RE READY TO GO TO DEVELOP THIS AREA IN THE FUTURE WHEN YOU DONATED TO THEM, IT'S ALREADY A SEED PLANTED IN THEIR HEADS THERE.
I DON'T NEED TO PUT MONEY OUT FOR ANOTHER PARK AND PICNIC BENCHES AND A PLAYGROUND SET.
WE HAVE 'EM RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD HERE OR RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET HERE.
DO WE NEED ANOTHER PARK FOR, FOR MORE PEOPLE, FOR MORE TRAFFIC? 'CAUSE THEY, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE JUST PEOPLE FROM THIS AREA USING IT, PEOPLE FROM ON THE OTHER SIDE OF UM, OLD STATE ROAD AND STUFF.
THEY'RE GONNA COME DOWN THERE AND USE THAT 'CAUSE IT'S SAFER FOR THEM.
I'M JUST, I'M, I'M LITERALLY UPSET WITH YOU GUYS AND WITH THE REDUCING THE TRAFFIC BY 15%, THAT'S WHEN YOU BELIEVE IS GOING TO REDUCE IT BY UM, WHO ARE THE PEOPLE MOVING IN HERE? WHERE ARE THEY COMING FROM? IS ANYBODY LOOKING AT THAT? ARE THEY THE MIGRANTS THAT YOU GUYS ARE COMING IN WITH OR SOMETHING? I WANNA KNOW WHO, WHO LITERALLY HAS THE MONEY TO BUY A HOUSE AND WHAT IS THE AVERAGE PRICE OF THESE HOUSES THAT YOU'RE GOING WITH? PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA COST.
AND I'M GOING TO GET THAT RIGHT TO KNOW FOR MY PLOT PLAN BECAUSE I GOT THE SURVEY DONE MYSELF.
GIVEN THE AGE OF YOUR HOUSE, IT MAY NOT BE THERE AS WELL AS THE OTHER HOUSE, BUT WE WILL CERTAINLY WORK WITH YOU JOHNNY.
AND THEN LET ME LOOK THROUGH MY OTHER NOTES.
I DO HAVE ONE MORE THING TO READ TO YOU GUYS FOR EVERYBODY TO SEE.
I'M SORRY ABOUT THIS ALI LONG.
I JUST WANT TO LIKE TELL YOU THAT, UM, FROM OUR FRIEND SEAN CONNERY, UH, CONNOLLY, HE HAD JUST SAID TO ME THAT JOSH SHAPIRO, DR.
RIFKIN, SERGEANT PAT HAYES, MICHELLE HENRY, THEY COVERED UP THE FRAUD.
THEY'RE ENGAGED IN RACKETEER AND MONEY LAUNDER AND RICO GRIMES.
AND THEN, UM, THEY'RE UNDER FBI SURVEILLANCE RIGHT NOW FOR ALL THE CRIMES THAT THESE GUYS ARE DOING.
I THINK THIS BOARD, IT'S WAY ABOVE OUR BAKERY.
I KNOW IT IS, BUT I'M LETTING YOU KNOW ABOVE OUR BAKERY.
I'M, I'M JUST LETTING YOU GUYS KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED, YOU KNOW, SO PEOPLE THAT ARE A LOT SMARTER THAN US PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.
HOPE WE HAVE A LOT OF THIS TRAFFIC WORKED OUT BETWEEN YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND IT.
THAT THAT SEEMS TO BE THE ISSUE NOW.
RIGHT? LET ME ASK ONE QUESTION BEFORE YOU GO, ZACH.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS THIS BOARD'S, UM, UM, IN TERMS OF REQUIRING REVY OR WHOEVER CHANGE THE SITE PLAN, MOVE THE, TO MOVE THE THE HOUSE? DO WE HAVE ANY, IS THAT JUST BASED ON THEM BEING NICE GUYS AND WANT TO DO THAT OR? WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY THIS POINT.
I MEAN THIS IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS.
THIS IS BEING REVIEWED BY THE TOWNSHIP PROFESSIONALS.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION CERTAINLY IS HERE TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE, TO PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO WAYS THAT THEY CAN IMPROVE THE PLAN AND MAYBE IMPROVE IT AND MAKE IT MORE BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, TO THE EXTENT THAT IT IS THEIR PROPERTY AND THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DEVELOP IT, THEY HAVE THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A FORUM OF PUBLIC FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO VOICE INPUT INTO THE PROJECT.
BUT IN TERMS OF FORCING THEM TO MOVE IT, UH, YOU KNOW, UNLESS THERE'S A REAL ENGINEERING OR A CODE OR ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT THAT THEY'RE NOT MEETING OR THAT THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH IN ORDER TO, OR THEY HAVE TO MOVE THE, OR REDESIGN THE PROPERTY OR TO COMPLY WITH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LIMITED, LIMITED ABILITY THERE.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
I HEAR THERE'S A LOT OF WORK BEING PUT IN TO, UH, TO MOVE THIS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY WE'RE AT THEIR MERCY OF THESE NICE GUYS SAYING, HEY, YEAH, WE'LL DO THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, THESE GENTLEMEN I THINK WANT TO BUILD A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT.
A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE TOWNSHIP AND HAVE GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS.
UM, SO I THINK TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY CAN FIND A SOLUTION THAT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY
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BENEFICIAL FOR EVERYONE, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH.EVERYBODY, THAT MAKES IT EASIER FOR US.
I MEAN, WE CAN'T REALLY MAKE THESE GUYS DO ANYTHING YOU JUST SUGGEST.
AND, UH, THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF INPUT INTO MOVING THIS AROUND AND I'M SURE ANY OLD GUYS ARE LOOKING.
NO, WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE 20.
BUT TO BE FAIR, I THINK THAT THERE, THERE'S BEEN INPUT FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF IT AS WELL.
SO LIKE YOU SAID, UNDERSTAND ULTIMATELY WHAT WE DO IS NOT GONNA MAKE EVERY SINGLE PERSON HAPPY.
I I THINK FROM THIS PROCESS WE'VE ALL UNDERSTOOD THAT, RIGHT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA BE CONSENSUS ON ANYTHING.
BUT I BE THE ORDER WHERE IT SAYS EVERY, HERE I, AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION.
I DON'T YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
I'M JUST, IF YOU, YOU KNOW, WANT TO MOVE IT, FINE.
IF YOU DON'T, IT IS THE BEST DEAL.
SO WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT AND I'M, I'M OKAY WITH IT.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, TO MOVE IT, THERE'RE GONNA BE PAUL OF OTHER ISSUES.
GENTLEMEN, WE'RE STILL HAVING A MEETING.
WE HAVE ISSUES IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.
WE'RE STILL, WE'RE STILL HAVING A MEETING.
COULD YOU PLEASE KEEP THE CONVERSATIONS TO A ROARER? SO I THINK IT IS UP TO THE, THE DEVELOPER SURE.
TO DO, TO DO WHAT THEY IS DETERMINED TO BE THE BEST INTEREST.
NOT ONLY FOR THEM, BUT FOR THE TOWNSHIP.
I THINK ALL ITS INPUT IS BEEN EXTREMELY BENEFICIAL.
IF THEY NEED TO CONSIDER IT WITH DUE DILIGENCE AND I'M SURE THEY WILL.
AND WITH OUR, YOU KNOW, CONSULTANTS, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK HOPEFULLY WE'LL END UP WITH THE BEST POSSIBLE SOLUTION, UH, THAT THAT IS AVAILABLE.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S CLEARLY ALL OF OUR EXPECTATIONS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THE GOOD NEWS IS THEY DO HAVE THE WORK DONE FOR WHERE WE'RE FABRICATING THE DEVELOPMENT TO GO.
I MEAN, THE ROADS ARE DRAWN IN.
WELL, BILL, I THINK, I THINK YOUR POINT HAS BEEN MADE.
I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE MAJOR POINT.
YOU, YOU'VE ARGUED IT WELL AND I THINK RENTING THOSE GUYS NOW, BUT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S AT THEIR GRACE.
AND AND WE NEED TO OH, UNDERSTAND THAT.
I MEAN IN TERMS OF THE WORK TO BE DONE, THAT'S THEY'RE SHOWING IT, BILL.
WE CANNOT, UNLESS THERE'S SOME VIOLATION OF SOME CODE.
YOU KNOW, IF THEY THINK THIS IS THE BEST DEAL, THEN WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT.
DO WE HAVE TO KEEP IT GOING? STATEMENT GRACE? REALLY? WELL, JEFF GRACE ONE LAST STATEMENT.
SO, AND AGAIN, I WANT TO, UH, HAND OUT TO YOU.
SO THE ONE THING THAT I, OH, HERE'S MY PEN.
UH, THE ONE THING THAT I DID WANT TO JUST MAKE REFERENCE OF IS THAT IN THE UH, BOWMAN CONSULTING DOCUMENT, THERE WAS QUITE A NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND TRAFFIC.
UM, NOT JUST SUBMITTED TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, BUT THERE WERE VERY SIMILAR CONCERNS BASED ON THE PLAN THAT IS PRESENTED AROUND THE ENTRANCES, THE ENTRANCES AND THE EGRESSES, ET CETERA.
AND IF, IF IT'S THE INTENT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO FOLLOW THE GUIDANCE THAT OBVIOUSLY NVR AND, AND LAWYERS FOR HOLDINGS NEEDS TO REPLY BACK TO THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, THE RECOMMENDATIONS MAY BE IN LINE WITH WHAT IS BEING SUGGESTED BY THE PARK HOUSE FRIENDS.
IT'S, THERE'S REALLY, THERE'S NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER THAT WE ARE RELYING ON, UH, NPR TO RESPOND TO TRAFFIC CIVIL ENGINEERING ISSUES, CONCERNS 1% THAT DEAL WITH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE CONCERNS.
AND IF THERE'S WAIVERS REQUIRED OR SUBORDINATES ISSUES, THEN WE WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THOSE.
BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE RELYING ON, ON OUR CONSULTANTS TO PROVIDE THE EXPERT GUIDANCE AND THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THAT.
AND SO I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA TRUST WE'RE EXPECTING THAT TO, TO RESPOND IN EVERY RESPECT.
LET'S TRUST THAT THEY KNOW THEY GOT THE MESSAGE TONIGHT.
AND, AND CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY WE APPRECIATE THE PROCESS THAT IS TRANSPARENT.
BUT AGAIN, HAVING JUST HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THOSE DOCUMENTS AND NOW TO REVIEW, WE WOULD ASK THAT.
AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S A MEETING ON THE 20TH, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S NOVEMBER 20TH? NOVEMBER 20TH.
IF THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTS THAT THEY, THAT NVR RESPONSE TO, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN LIKE 12 HOURS IN ADVANCE? I LITERALLY RECEIVED THE ECONOMIC REPORT THIS AFTERNOON AND, AND I SAW THAT 10 MINUTES LATER AN EMAIL WENT OUT TO LINDA TO PUT IT UP.
I DON'T KNOW HOW QUICKLY SHE PUT IT UP.
I DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL ON FRIDAY
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BECAUSE OF THE THREE DAY HOLIDAY.I WILL ADMIT I WASN'T IN THE OFFICE.
AND THEN CATCHING UP ON TUESDAY WAS AN ISSUE.
I ADDED IT UP AS EARLY AS I COULD ON AGAIN, JUST SO WE CAN ALL HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION.
WE'RE ALL UNDER OCCURRENCE TOO, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THEM YET.
I HANDED IT TO THEM TUESDAY MORNING.
AND IT IS UPFRONT IF YOU WANT TO COME LOOK AT THE ACTUAL REPORT, IT'S FOR THE REST OF THE DOCUMENTS FOR THE 772 PAGE ONE.
'CAUSE I WASN'T GONNA PRINT THAT ONE OUT.
I, I KNOW TO GET THAT TO, UH, OKAY.
I'M GOING TO, UH, THANK, I GUESS WE'RE DONE BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE IS COMING UP.
WE'LL SEE YOU IN TWO WEEKS OR THREE WEEKS, WHATEVER IT IS.
AND, UM, A MONTH AWAY FROM US.
THINK THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING IN AND BRINGING ALL YOUR MARY MEN AND, AND WHAT'S BRIAN DOING HERE? IS HE JUST, HE'S JUST ALONE.
I KNOW HE WAS, THE MUSCLE I THOUGHT WAS THE, THE OPPOSITE MUSCLE.
WE FINALLY TALKED SOME SENSITIVE.
ALRIGHT, WE STILL GOT A MEETING GOING SO PLEASE, UH, PLEASE, UM, KEEP IT TO A YELP OR GO OUT THE HALLWAY 'CAUSE WE STILL HAVE TO FINISH OUR MEETING.
[ DISCUSSION: FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]
THE NEXT MEETING WE WILL BE HAVING AMELIA STREET IN 7 65 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD ON THE AGENDA.UM, I'M NOT SO SURE THAT 7 65 IS GONNA STAY ON THE AGENDA.
MY GUESS IS THEY'RE GONNA BLOW UP, BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE UNDER A CLOCK RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE, SORRY JEFF, I DIDN'T HEAR.
AMELIA STREET IS ON THE AGENDA FOR, FOR NOVEMBER 6TH, 7 65 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD.
IT'S MY ASSUMPTION THAT SHE'S GOING, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PULL THE APPLICATION OFF BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SEE THE REVIEW LETTERS AND THEY WANT TO CLEAN UP THE PLANS AND WORK THROUGH SOME OF THE REVIEW LETTER COMMENTS FIRST, SO THAT YOU'RE GONNA PULL OFF THIS, THIS DAY.
THEY'LL PROBABLY PULL IT OFF OF THAT DAY, BUT I WON'T KNOW UNTIL LIKE THE WEEK BEFORE AND THEN NOVEMBER 20TH, AS WE SAID, THE PARK HOUSE PLAN WILL BE THE NEXT.
AND, BUT, AND AGAIN FOR THE PARKHOUSE PLAN, WHAT ARE WE EXPECTING FROM THEM DIFFERENT FROM TONIGHT? I, I'M NOT SURE IF WE'RE GONNA GET ANYTHING DIFFERENT.
I'LL HAVE TO CONNECT WITH ED AND SEE WHAT THEIR, WHAT THEIR PLAN IS.
WE WILL BRING IN A RENDERED VERSION OF THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA SUPERIMPOSE ON THEIR PLAN, BUT I'M GONNA BUG ANTHONY TO GET A RENDERED VERSION OF HIS TRAFFIC CIRCLE SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE IT'S GOING.
AND IT'S, IT'S ON OUR END WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
BUT IF THEY'RE COMING IN ON THE 20TH, ARE WE, UH, I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY MAY NOT HAVE A DIFFERENT PLAN OR THEY MAY JUST HAVE SOME NOTES AND BE WILLING TO DISCUSS IT.
SO, BUT THEY'RE, I THINK YOU MENTIONED THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR US TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY, I THOUGHT THAT WAS WHAT THEY WERE EXPECTING ON THE 20TH TO SAY, GEE, THIS IS, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION.
THIS IS MORE OF A, MORE OF A TENTATIVE PLAN AND THEY WOULD LIKE APPROVAL FOR IT.
THAT WAS AGAIN, BECAUSE THE TENANT APPLICATION IS IN ALL THEY, ALL WE CAN DO IS GIVE THEM A RECOMMENDATION ON THE PLAN THEY HAVE IN FRONT OF US, WHICH IS THE PLAN YOU SOLVE.
LIKE WITH 1201 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD, WE CAN GIVE THEM SUGGESTIONS AND THEY CAN SAY, YES, WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT AND WE'LL MAKE THAT PART OF OUR NEXT PLAN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE SUGGESTIONS WOULD BE, BUT LIKE 1201 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE WHERE WE SUGGESTED, HEY, WE NEED TO SEE MORE PARKING, WE NEED TO SEE MORE TRAILS, WE NEED TO SEE MORE OF THIS, MORE OF THAT.
WELL LET, LET'S JUST, LET'S ASSUME THAT THEY TAKE THIS, UH, THIS TENTATIVE SKETCH AND THEY MOVE THE HOUSING AROUND.
IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT, BUT LET'S ASSUME THEY DO.
SO NOW IT'S A NEW SKETCH PLAN.
THEY HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS IF THEY WANT THE APPROVAL BASED ON THAT SKETCH PLAN OF THAT DATE.
WE, WE, WE DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE THAT THAT NIGHT EITHER.
NO, BECAUSE THAT BE THE FIRST TIME WE'VE SEEN THAT PLAN.
WHAT THEY WILL BE ASKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION ON THE 20TH IS THE PLAN THAT YOU HAVE SEEN TODAY TO SEE TODAY SENT IN YOUR PLAN APPLICATION FORMS AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF.
NO, WHAT YOU HAVE, THE APPLICATION YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS WHAT YOU WILL BE OFFERING A RECOMMENDATION ON.
DON'T AGREE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE DETAIL, THAT THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT THIS AND LOOK AT THIS FOR THE NEXT SET OF PLANS AT THE PRELIMINARY LEVEL.
SO, SO THE 20TH IS GOING TO BE THIS PLAN, THIS PLAN.
WELL THAT'S WHY I ASKED WHAT WHAT DO WE, WHAT'S THE EXPECTATIONS THEY'RE GONNA, THEY, THEY SHOULD HAVE SOME ANSWERS AND SOME WAYS TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PEOPLE AND WHAT YOU SAID HERE TONIGHT.
THEY SHOULD ADDRESS THOSE COMMENTS.
I THINK MIGHT HAVE FEW TRAFFIC STUFF, RIGHT.
I, I, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I'M NOT ON THEIR TEAM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT EXACTLY THEY WILL BRING.
HOPEFULLY THEY BRING MORE INFORMATION AND MAYBE A NEW PLAN THAT WE CAN LOOK AT UP THERE LIKE WE DID WITH
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12 OH ONESTHERE'S NOTHING MORE THAN WHAT THEY SAW TONIGHT.
I MEAN, WELL I'M HOPING THEY DO CHANGE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS.
I I WOULD, THAT'S, I THINK THEY GOT THAT MESSAGE THAT'S UP TO YOU TO HOLD THEM TO ACCOUNT AT THAT MEETING IF THAT'S WHAT YOU, IS THERE ANY WAY TO REQUEST FROM THEM THAT THEY AT LEAST DO THE OVERLAY OF THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE ON THE PLAN? I CAN REACH OUT TO ED AND SEE IF THEY CAN, BUT IT SOLVED A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
YOU KNOW, UM, I I THINK WE CAN, I THINK WE CAN ASK THAT WHETHER OR NOT THEY DO IT.
BUT I CAN, I WILL CERTAINLY POSE THAT QUESTION TO 'EM FOR YOU.
AND THEN THE LAST THING, THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL MEETING IS MOVING, IT WOULD'VE BEEN DECEMBER 20TH OR NOVEMBER 20TH, BUT WE'RE MOVING INTO DECEMBER 11TH BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING A JOINT MEETING WITH PARKS AND REC AND WE'RE HAVING THE UM, IS THAT A, IS THAT A, IS THAT A OPEN PUBLIC MEETING? YEAH, IT IS A PUBLIC MEETING.
UM, BUT IT'S ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL, THE PARK AND REC COMMITTEE.
AND THEN WHILE THE STUDENTS FROM PENN STATE COME DOWN AND THEY'LL GIVE US THEIR LOCAL CLIMATE ACTION PLAN RESULTS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS ALWAYS WILLING TO ATTEND.
IT'S NOT AN ORGANIZED MEETING FOR YOU, BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME AND ATTEND AND, AND GET A SENSE OF IT.
AND WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH SOME SPRING FORD STUDENTS ON SOME STORMWATER ISSUES AND AN APP AND A PROGRAMMING THERE DOING DOING SO.
HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING FROM THEM? FROM MY, A LITTLE BIT.
THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS I EMAILED.
I ONLY PUT BILL ON THERE, BUT THEY, UH, YEAH.
SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM ON IT.
LOTS OF QUESTIONS, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
I THINK, UH, UH, ANY OTHER PROBLEMS? YOUR QUESTIONS? YEAH.
NICOLE'S ALREADY GOT HER CODE ON SO WE KNOW WHERE SHE STANDS ON.
UM, JUST ONE LITTLE POINT TO REITERATE, THAT WAS DISCUSSED TONIGHT AND THAT IS THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF CONSENSUS.
VERSUS SAFETY AND WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT.
AND IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THE CONSENSUS IS AROUND THE WILDLIFE AND THE PROTECTION OF THE ENVIRONMENT.
'CAUSE HERITAGE CAME UP WITH THAT PLAN.
CAN I CAUTION YOU NOT TO? WE'RE DELVING INTO TALKING ABOUT THEIR APPLICATION AGAIN.
I DON'T MIND TELLING YOU WHAT THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BRING TO A MEETING 'CAUSE THAT'S JUST ADMINISTRATIVE.
BUT IF YOU'RE SUGGESTING SOMETHING THAT THEY SHOULD DO OR NOT DO ON THE PLAN, PUT IT IN THE EMAIL AND I'LL FORWARD IT TO THEM.
BECAUSE I I, I DON'T WANNA START DISCUSSING THE PLAN AGAIN WITHOUT THEM OR THE AUDIENCE HERE.
I MEAN, WE ARE BEING RECORDED SO OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN HEAR IT, BUT I DON'T WANT SOMEONE TO COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS AFTER EVERYBODY LEFT.
I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
I WOULD, YOU WOULD NEVER SAY I'M SORRY.
I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
BOB'S MADE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
ALL IN FAVOR? ALRIGHT, ADJOURN.