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[CALL TO ORDER / MOTION TO APPROVE OCTOBER 2, 2024 AGENDA]
ORDER, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR OCTOBER 2ND, 2024.AND, UM, FIRST THING WE'RE GONNA DO IS, UM, REVIEW AND APPROVE, UH, THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING.
WE HAVE JUST ONE PLAN WE'RE GONNA HEAR FROM, AND THAT'S, UH, OUR FRIENDS DIED THE CORNER AND, UH, HAD THEM BEFORE.
SO I ASSUME THIS IS THE FINAL.
NO, NO, THIS IS JUST TENTATIVE.
WE'VE HAD, OH, WE'VE HAD, I THOUGHT WE HAD TENANT.
THE, UH, THE FIRST ROUND WAS JUST ZONING, TEXT, AMENDMENT, ZONING, MAP, AMENDMENT.
THIS IS NOW THEIR PLAN MOVING FORWARD.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, UH, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR YOU.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT.
[GENERAL DISCUSSION ITEMS]
DO THE MINUTES.WE HAVEN'T DONE A MINUTES FOR A WHILE, SO WE GOT ALL SEPTEMBER TO DO.
EVERYBODY LOOK AT THEIR PACKET AND SEE THEIR, UM, MINUTES IN THERE.
HOPE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM QUICKLY.
AND IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, ADDITION SUBTRACTIONS.
IF NOT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR, UH, BOTH FOR SEPTEMBER 4TH AND SEPTEMBER 18TH.
BOB'S MADE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES FOR SEPTEMBER 4TH AND 18TH.
SO NOW WE'RE GOING, OH, FOR PUBLIC, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYBODY HERE TO COMMENT ON NON AGENDA ITEMS? NON AGENDA ITEMS, BEING THAT WE ALREADY SAID IT'S, UH, IT'S, UH, COLLEGEVILLE ROAD.
ANYTHING NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? OKAY.
THEN WE'LL MOVE TO OUR, UH, THAT FIRST ONE.
TOM, WE DO HAVE, RIGHT, WE LIST ONE APPLICATION THAT WE'VE RECEIVED.
WE HAVEN'T DISTRIBUTED IT YET 'CAUSE TODAY'S THE OFFICIAL DAY OF GETTING IT.
UM, SO WE'VE RECEIVED A PLAN FOR 7 65 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD FOR THEIR PRELIMINARY PLAN.
UM, WE'VE ALSO RECEIVED AN APPLICATION FOR HIGH DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS A DEVELOPMENT ON ROUTE 29.
YOU'LL GET THAT TOMORROW AND FOR A MINOR SUBDIVISION UP ON GREENWOOD AVENUE.
SO THOSE ARE THREE LAND DEVELOPMENTS WE'VE RECEIVED IN THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS.
NOTHING NEEDS TO BE DONE TONIGHT, JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT WE RECEIVED THEM AND THEIR CLOCKS ARE STARTING.
AND WHAT WOULD BE, UH, UH, THE APPLICATION FOR PLA FOR, UH, COLLEGEVILLE? WOULD THAT BE IN IN THE FUTURE? YEAH.
UM, I'M, LOOK, I'M THINKING THAT WE DON'T HAVE A CLOCK.
WE DON'T HAVE A WAIVER OF THE NBC CLOCK LIKE WE DO FOR MOST NORMAL THINGS.
SO MORE THAN LIKELY, IF WE CAN GET THE REVIEWS DONE, IT'D BE ON THE AGENDA FOR NOVEMBER 16TH, NOVEMBER.
WE ALSO HAVE TO FIT IT IN WITH WHERE THE BOARD MEETINGS ARE AND THE BOARD MEETINGS GET WONKY RIGHT AROUND THANKSGIVING INTO, INTO THE MEETING IN DECEMBER.
[APPLICATIONS TO BE HEARD ON OCTOBER 2, 2024]
WILL MOVE ON TO OUR APPLICATION FOR THIS EVENING.UM, ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER POINTS THEY WANT TO MAKE OR COMMENTS? AND I GUESS WE'LL MOVE TO OUR OLD FRIEND.
ALLISON ZARO ON BEHALF OF HIGH TOP, UH, REAL ESTATE AND DEVELOPMENT LLC, UM, AS I THINK EVERYONE'S FAMILIAR WITH ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT ABOUT THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR, UM, AT 1201 SOUTH COLLEGE HILL ROAD, UM, WHICH IS THE OLD QUEST SITE.
UM, AS WAS ALLUDED TO IN THE INTRODUCTION, REVIEWING OF THE AGENDA, UH, WE'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE, BUT WE WERE SHOWING YOU OUR CONCEPT PLANS, UH, DURING A REQUEST FOR A REZONING.
UH, THE BOARD ACTED ON THAT REZONING IN JUNE, AND WE'VE SINCE NOW FILED OUR TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN APPLICATION FOR THE SITE.
UM, AND WE'LL, WE'LL WALK YOU THROUGH EVERYTHING AGAIN, GENERALLY SPEAKING, LAYOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, LOCATION OF PAD SITES, ACCESS, UM, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS USES ON THE SITE ARE, UM, THE SAME AS WHAT YOU SAW DURING THAT REZONING SKETCH PLAN PROCESS.
UM, REFRESH OF MY MEMORY, ALLISON, WHAT WAS THE ZONING QUESTION? SO, THE ZONING HERE ON THIS SITE WAS, UM, IO DISTRICT, WHICH REALLY ONLY ALLOWED FOR THE USES THAT WERE WHAT QUEST WAS.
IT WAS OFFICE LAB, UM, ACCESSORY
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USES TO SERVE THOSE USES.SO IT WAS A VERY LIMITED USE ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THE BOARD, UH, REZO DID TO COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER.
UM, AND THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT OPTION WITH IT.
UM, YOU'LL RECALL ON THE, UH, WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY ON YOUR SCREEN, UM, THERE ARE STACKED TOWNHOUSES PROPOSED.
AND THEN IN THE FRONT, THERE'S THE, WHAT WE'VE REFERRED TO AS THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NEXT TO THE TOWNSHIP BUILDING HERE, UM, THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADAPTIVELY REUSE AS WELL.
SO WE'RE GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH THE WHOLE SITE PLAN EVENT.
AGAIN, I WAS JUST GIVING YOU A LITTLE BIT OF AN INTRODUCTION TO LET YOU KNOW THAT GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT THE SAME EXACT THING THAT WE SHOWED YOU, UM, PREVIOUSLY WITH TWEAKS AS WE'RE STARTING TO GET INTERESTS FROM TENANTS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE COMMERCIAL SIDE TENDS TO BE A LITTLE ITERATIVE IN THAT RESPECT.
BUT, UM, OVERALL LAYOUT HERE IS GENERALLY THE SAME.
AND I DO HAVE HERB SCHULTZ WITH ME THIS EVENING.
UM, OUR ARCHITECT THAT PRESENTED TO YOU BEFORE, HE WILL WALK YOU THROUGH THE SITE PLAN.
WE HAVE, UM, UPDATED RENDERING, SOME OF WHICH WERE SHOWN, UM, DURING THE REZONING PROCESS.
AND I KNOW WE WENT TO SO MANY DIFFERENT MEETINGS, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD JUST MAKE SENSE TO BRING THAT ALL BACK TO YOU, UM, AND RUN YOU THROUGH IT AGAIN SINCE WE ARE HERE FORMALLY ON TENANT SKETCH PLAN.
THE OTHER THING I WILL NOTE, UM, BEFORE I HAVE, UH, HER WALKING THROUGH THE PLAN, AND WE ALSO HAVE OUR CIVIL ENGINEER WITH US TONIGHT, UM, DENNIS, AND AS WELL AS GREG RICHARDSON, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
SO WE CAN ANSWER THOSE TYPES OF QUESTIONS.
UM, THE PLAN THAT'S ON THE SCREEN HAS BEEN COLORED UP AND READ IT UP SO WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE IT BE VISIBLE FOR YOU TO SEE.
THE PLAN WE SUBMITTED WAS A FIVE SHEET BLACK AND WHITE SET.
UM, AND THERE WERE TWO COMMENTS IN THE REVIEW LETTER, SPECIFICALLY FROM GILMORE.
ONE ABOUT THERE'S A STREAM ON THE PROPERTY THAT HAD BEEN RELOCATED AS PART OF THE QUEST SITE.
WE'RE PROPOSING TO LEAVE THAT IN THE SAME LOCATION.
SO THE PLAN YOU'RE SEEING TONIGHT IS SHOWING FEASIBILITY THAT WE CAN SHIFT THINGS A LITTLE BIT, UH, WHEN WE GET TO, YOU KNOW, FULL LAND DEVELOPMENT AND NOT CAUSE CONFLICTS WITH THAT.
THERE'S A SECOND COMMENT IN THOSE REVIEW LETTERS ABOUT SANITARY SEWER LINES.
GILMORE WAS KIND ENOUGH TO GIVE US INFORMATION ABOUT WHERE SOME OF THOSE THINGS EXIST ON THE SITE, AND AGAIN, WE CAN SHIFT THINGS AROUND ON THE SITE TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THAT WORKS.
SO WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY SHOWING YOU ON THE SCREEN IS SHOWING THAT THAT IS FEASIBLE AND IT'S REALLY NOT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU GOT IN YOUR PACKETS ORIGINALLY THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BE LOOKING AT.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, I'LL HAVE HER WALK YOU THROUGH THE PLAN.
THIS, WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED OUR, YOU KNOW, SIDEWALKS, TRAIL CONNECTIONS, THAT KIND OF THING THAT I THOUGHT EVERYBODY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING.
UM, SO YEAH, THE SITE PLAN, OBVIOUSLY IT, IT'S, UH, IT'S AN ITERATIVE PROCESS FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR EVERYONE THAT YOU GUYS SEE.
WE PROBABLY DO ABOUT 10 OTHERS
UH, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, UM, AS ALLISON HAD SAID, THE, THE BASIC, UH, LAYOUT OF THE SITE HASN'T CHANGED MUCH.
UH, WE'RE STILL MAINTAINING THE, UH, THE CURB CUT ON 29, UH, THE SIGNALED CURB CUT.
UM, WE'RE STILL PROPOSING THE CURB CUT ON, UH, BLACKROCK AND THE, UH, SORT OF SHIFTED OVER CURB CUT, UH, CLOSEST.
I JUST, YOU CAN'T CHANGE THESE SLIDES, I HAVE TO OH, THAT'S FINE.
SO, UM, YEAH, SO THE, THE, UH, ORIGINAL PLAN, UH, MAINTAINS THIS, UH, THIS, THIS CURB CUT HERE, UH, SIGNALIZE WE'RE PROPOSING THIS, UM, RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT ONLY ENTRANCE.
UH, THAT'S THE SAME AS WHAT YOU HAD SEEN PREVIOUSLY.
UH, AND THEN THE SMALL, UM, CURB CUT HERE FOR ADJACENT TO THE HISTORIC HOUSE IS SHIFTING OVER.
THAT'S, UH, THAT HASN'T CHANGED EITHER.
SO THE RES EGRESS AND LEFT, SORRY, IS THAT ONE BOTH RIGHT AND LEFT? THIS ONE IS RIGHT IN, YES.
UM, THIS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE, WE FORESEE THIS AS BEING RESIDENTIAL USE ONLY.
UM, SO, UH, ANYWAY, THE, THE, THE INGRESS OF EGRESS FOR THE SITE HAS BEEN MAINTAINED.
UM, THE COUNTS OF THE TOWNHOUSES AND THE GENERAL LOCATIONS ALSO ARE, UH, THE SAME AS WHAT YOU HAD SEEN PREVIOUSLY.
AS ALLISON HAD MENTIONED, WE SHIFTED A COUPLE OF THESE OVER, UH, TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT IMPINGING ON ANY OF THE, UH, RELOCATED WATERWAY.
UM, SO THAT SHOULD BE MAINTAINED.
UH, WE STILL HAVE, UH, THESE TWO PAD SITES AT THE FRONT, UM, YOU KNOW, MOST LIKELY, UH, UH, A, A, A FOOD SERVICE HERE AND A, A DRIVE THROUGH HERE.
UM, THE LARGER BOXES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL IN TALKS WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT TENANTS.
UM, SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S ALWAYS IN FLUX.
BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BREADTH AND WIDTH OF THIS BOX HAS BEEN MAINTAINED.
UM, THE LARGER PARKING FIELD, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF REUSING THE, UH, THE, THE PARKING AND, AND AND CIRCULATION OF BUILDING, UH, THAT'S THERE NOW, UH, IS BASICALLY, UH, KIND OF WHAT YOU
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HAD SEEN PREVIOUSLY AS WELL.THE BIGGER CHANGE IS THE, THE BUILDING HERE.
PREVIOUSLY WE HAD A SINGULAR BUILDING.
UM, WE, YOU'LL SEE IN SOME SUBSEQUENT SLIDES, WE DECIDED TO BREAK THOSE APART AND CREATE SORT OF AN OUTDOOR SPACE.
UM, POTENTIALLY HAVING SOME TENANT SPACES HERE AND HERE, OPEN ONTO THAT PATIO, UH, JUST TO CREATE A NICE ACTIVATED USE JUST TO CREATE A NICE ACTIVATED USE, UH, AT THE CORNER THERE.
AND, UM, AND THEN THIS BUILDING IS GENERALLY THE SAME.
IT'S, THE SHAPE HAS SHIFTED A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UH, FROM A SQUARE FOOTAGE STANDPOINT, IT'S ABOUT THE SAME.
CAN YOU FLIP FORWARD? IS IT, IS THERE, IS THERE ONLY ONE ENTRANCE AND EXIT INTO THE, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEX? CORRECT.
YEAH, IF YOU GO BACK REAL QUICK.
SO THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE MAIN INGRESS AND EGRESS.
THERE IS A CONNECTION POINT BACK HERE, UM, SO THAT IF SOMEBODY DOES WANT TO COME AND, YOU KNOW, COME OVER AND GRAB A CUP OF COFFEE OR SOMETHING.
HOW MANY UNITS ARE THERE ON THIS POINT? SO THERE'S 60 STACKED TOWNHOUSES THE SAME AS WHAT WE SHOWED PREVIOUSLY.
AND IT'S 61 TOTAL UP AND DOWN, RIGHT? WAIT A MINUTE, THAT'S NOT CLEAR.
CAN YOU SAY IT AGAIN? THERE'S 61 STACKED TOWNHOUSES.
SO EACH ONE OF THE TOWNHOUSES SHOWN IS, UH, TWO, UH, TWO FAMILY DWELLING STACKED TOWNHOUSE.
SO YOU'RE SAYING 1 22? CORRECT.
UH, I FORGOT TO MENTION, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE ADDED INTO THIS PLAN IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALREADY A, A WALKING PATH, UH, ALONG BLACKROCK THAT BASICALLY TERMINATES AT THIS, UM, INTERSECTION.
WE'VE HEARD FROM, UH, FROM YOU FOLKS AND FROM, UH, THE BOARD THAT IT WOULD BE GREAT TO CONTINUE THAT AROUND THE SITE.
SO WE HAVE, WE ACTUALLY CARRIED ALL THE WAY UP AND ACROSS TO HERE.
UH, AND THEN THERE'S SOME WALKING PATHS BACK HERE THAT ACTUALLY CONNECT BACK TO THE, UH, TO THE MUNICIPAL, UH, UH, PROPERTY AS WELL.
AND DO YOU REMEMBER FROM THE, MY, FROM THEIR PREVIOUS MEETINGS, UM, THERE WAS AT LEAST TWO RIGHT BEFORE THIS.
THAT'S WHY I'M CONFUSED ABOUT, I, UM, WHAT, WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THE HISTORICAL HOUSE? 'CAUSE THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN A FOR ME.
SO, UM, THE HOUSE CURRENTLY IS IN RELATIVE DISREPAIR.
LIKE WE'VE COMMITTED TO, UH, TO DOING AN ADAPTIVE REUSE.
WE'RE NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE WHAT THE FINAL PROGRAM IS GOING TO BE.
UM, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE, UH, PUBLIC FACING.
SO POTENTIALLY, UM, A COFFEE SHOP OR A CAFE.
YOU'LL SEE IN SOME SUBSEQUENT SLIDES, WE'RE GONNA, UH, PROGRAM SOME OUTDOOR SPACE SO PEOPLE ON THAT PATH CAN STOP, GET A, GET A DRINK, HAVE A SEAT, RELAX.
BUT IT'S, WE'RE, THE IDEA IS THAT WE'RE GONNA USE THAT AS A, AS A PROGRAM SPACE.
SO THAT'S GONNA HAVE ITS OWN EGRESS THEN IT'S OWN, IT'S GONNA HAVE ITS OWN IN AND OUT? NO, IT'S GONNA SHARE THIS, WE HAVE PARKING ADJACENT TO IT RIGHT HERE.
IT'S GONNA BE SEPARATE PARKING.
SO THAT REALLY WILL TECHNICALLY BE AVAILABLE FOR ANYONE VISITING THE APARTMENT COMPLEX ITSELF.
IT PRIMARILY BE FOR THAT FUNCTION.
I, I THINK IT'LL PROBABLY SERVE BOTH USES.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE USE IT IF THEY WANT TO.
THE PLAN IS THAT'S SEPARATE ENTITY FROM THE APARTMENT.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING SINCE IT WAS ORIGINALLY A RESTAURANT ON THE CORNER? WHAT ARE THE THREE BUILDINGS? SO THIS IS A RETAIL BUILDING.
THE IDEA IS THAT OUR HOPE IS THAT WE GET A CORNER TENANT HERE THAT IS A RESTAURANT AND A CORNER TENANT HERE THAT IS ALSO A RESTAURANT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SORT OF, UM, AN OUTDOOR DINING AREA CARVED OUT BETWEEN THESE TWO IS A LARGE SORT OF WELDED SPACE.
AND AGAIN, YOU'LL SEE SOME IMAGES FURTHER DOWN, BUT THAT'S THE IDEA.
AND THE REST WOULD BE RETAIL IS THE 16,000 SQUARE FOOT, UM, DAYCARE, IT'S A POSSIBILITY FOR DAYCARE.
AGAIN, UH, THE, THE, THE TENANT, UM, STRUCTURE IS IN THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS AT THIS STAGE IS VERY MUCH IN FLUX.
WELL, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ONE OF THE LETTERS SPECIFIED THAT IT WASN'T ONE OF THE USES WAS GOING TO BE A DAYCARE.
SO THAT'S TENTATIVE IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND THAT IS THE IDEA, BUT IT'S, IT'S, YEAH, IT'S NOT LOCKED IN AT THIS POINT.
AND PART OF THE IDEA BEHIND THE TRIP GENERATION ANALYSIS IS TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CONSERVATIVE ON THAT.
SO WHEN PENDOT LOOKS AT THAT AND LOOKS AT IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED, WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ANALYZING THAT APPROPRIATELY WITH WHAT WE THINK IS GONNA ACTUALLY BE THERE.
CAN I ASK ANTHONY A QUESTION, ANTHONY, WITH THAT LITTLE RETAIL AREA, THEY'RE SHARING THE SPACE WITH THE, WITH THE RESIDENTIAL IN AND OUT, IS THAT GONNA BE SUFFICIENT TO GET ALL PEOPLE OUT IN
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THE MORNING AND BACK IN THE EVENING WITH THE RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT TOO? YEAH, WE WE'RE NOT QUITE AREA, I GUESS IN ALL THE, LIKE WE, WE HAVEN'T FINALIZED LIKE NUMBERS AND KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THE IN AND OUTS ARE AND THE PEAK TIMES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.BUT WE, AS TERMS OF THE ACCESS, I MEAN WE, IT'S PREFERRED TO HAVE IT NOT HAVE AN ADDITIONAL ACCESS ON BLACKROCK.
SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE OKAY.
SO I MEAN, AS THINGS WE TO TAKE A LOOK AT AS WE GET A LITTLE DEEPER, I GUESS, INTO THE APPLICATION OF THE, UH, PROCESS, WELL, I MEAN, I LIKE THE FACT THAT THE PARKING IS SEPARATED, UM, BUT WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT INTERACTION YET.
SO TO DETERMINE, WE SEE THE ISSUES WITH THE BUS TRAFFIC AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE KNOW THE ACCESS APPEARS TO HAVE SITE DISTANCE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
SO YES, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL CERTAINLY LOOK AT AS WE GET DEEPER IN.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO, I GUESS IT'S A QUESTION FOR ALLISON.
FOR ZACH, THE PLAN YOU'RE SHOWING IS DIFFERENT THAN THE PLAN YOU SUBMITTED FOR TENANT APPROVAL.
TECHNICALLY, WE'D HAVE TO APPROVE THE ONE THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET, RIGHT? UM, IT IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT AND I REALIZE IT'S JUST TENTATIVE AND THINGS CAN ALWAYS SHIFT AROUND.
AS LONG AS THE NUMBERS SORT OF WORK, THAT'S OKAY.
IT, AND SO MORE SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNDERSTANDS IT IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT NOW.
AND A LOT OF THOSE DETAILS WILL KIND OF GET WORKED OUT WHEN YOU DO THE ENGINEERING AND, AND LAND SOME OF THE APPLICANTS.
YEAH, WE JUST THOUGHT FOR TONIGHT, EVEN FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES, SINCE WE HAD THOSE TWO COMMENTS IN THE LETTER, WHICH ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT, HEY, THERE ARE CONFLICTS ON THE SITE, WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT EVERYONE, LOOK, WE KNOW THIS IS FEASIBLE, WE KNOW WE CAN DO IT.
AND TO DEMONSTRATE THAT YES, THERE'S A, LIKE, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN THINGS ARE SHIFTING AROUND A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT, IT DID, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLAN WHEN WE WOULD GET TO THE PRELIMINARY STAGE OF FILE THAT, BUT YEAH, WE AND BUT YOUR INTENT IS NOT TO WITHDRAW THE CURRENTLY PLAN CORRECT.
WE KNOW WE CAN EVOLVE TO THAT ONE.
WE, WE KNOW WE CAN EVOLVE IN THE CORRECT DIRECTION AND COMPLY WITH THE REVIEW LETTER COMMENTS.
I NOTICED THAT, UH, IT APPEARS YOU STARTED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE IN THE REVIEW LETTERS, LIKE FROM THE COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION, LIKE ADDING ISLANDS WITHIN THE SORT OF THE SEA OF PARKING THAT'S, THAT'S OUT THERE.
UH, WHICH I THINK IS A, IS A, IS A GOOD THING.
UM, BUT I WAS NOTICING, AND AGAIN, I KNOW THIS IS TENTATIVE AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE STILL WORKING ON IT, BUT ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS THE PROXIMITY OF THAT RIGHT HAND TURN COMING IN OFF OF 29 SURE.
HOW CLOSE IT IS TO 29 AND OR YOUR INTENT IS TO ADDRESS THAT.
YEAH, WE'RE AWARE OF THAT COMMENT.
WE'RE STILL, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT THAT AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT ALL WORKS.
UM, YEAH, AND THERE WERE SOME OTHER GOOD POINTS IN THERE ABOUT, UH, UH, WHERE THE SORT OF THE FAR CORNER OF YOUR RETAIL BOX UP TOWARDS THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE, WHICH KIND OF PINCHES THE, UH, THE, THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVING LANE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LATITUDE YOU HAVE TO, TO MANIPULATE THAT WITHOUT SORT OF REDUCING YOUR SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING YOU'RE SURE, OBVIOUSLY AS, AS PART OF OUR PROCESS, WE'RE GOING THROUGH AND DOING TURNING STUDIES, UH, YOU KNOW, TRUCK, UH, INGRESS AND EGRESS STUDIES, ALL OF THAT IN, IN THAT VEIN, I THINK IF YOU CAN COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF LANDSCAPE BUFFER TO BUFFER THE WINDOWS OF THAT UNIT, SOMETHING TO BUFFER IT VISUALLY COULD ESSENTIALLY, YOU'VE GOT TWO OR THREE UNITS THERE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE BACK OF A, THEY'RE LOOKING A LOADING DOCK, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND I GUESS BUYER BEWARE WHEN THEY GET THEM, BUT NO, THAT'S FAIR.
I'D PREFER TO AVOID THAT CONFLICT AS BEST YOU CAN.
AND AS YOU'LL SEE, UH, AGAIN, WHEN WE GET THROUGH SOME OF THE IMAGES, THE IDEA IS TO KEEP THIS AS FAIRLY PLANNED AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE HAVE JUST, IT, IT ALWAYS SEEMED LIKE A NATURAL SEPARATION POINT ANYWAY FOR THIS SITE.
SO THE OTHER POINT I WAS GOING TO, UH, BRING UP, AND AGAIN, I, I KNOW TENTATIVE AND YOU'RE GONNA GET TO ENGINEERING THE NEXT STAGE, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WAS THE SORT OF THE POSITION OF WHERE YOUR UNDERGROUND BASIN IS, UH, RELATIVE TO THE ISLANDS.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS CAN IT SHIFT? I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD SHIFT AS, AS YOU GET INTO IT, UH, BECAUSE THE, THE CLIMATE COMMISSION, THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY EVEN, I THINK IT'S A GOOD POINT SUGGESTING THAT THESE ISLANDS HAVE TREES, RIGHT? AND, AND LANDSCAPING.
I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO THE LANDSCAPING YET, BUT, UM, HOPEFULLY THERE'S NO CONFLICT WITH SORT OF ROOT STRUCTURES AND YOUR UNDERGROUND, UH, STORM.
SO SOMETHING TO LOOK AT IN THE NEXT STAGE.
I'M JUST BRINGING IT UP BECAUSE I THOUGHT THEY WERE GOOD POINTS IN THE, UH, IN THE COUNTY REVIEW LETTER.
SO BUILDING NUMBER FOUR, WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING ON HERE, IS THAT IT, YOU COULDN'T CHOP THAT UP INTO MULTIPLE BUSINESSES? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE? THIS BUILDING HERE? YES.
THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY, IT COULD BE ONE, BUT IT COULD BE MULTIPLE.
UH, I THINK THE REALITY IS THAT IT'S PROBABLY A COUPLE OF TENANT SPACES AGAIN.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS GENERALLY FUNGIBLE, SO IT MIGHT BE A LARGER END CAP TENANT.
IT DEPENDS ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR PERCEIVED, UH,
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RESTAURANT USE, MAYBE THAT GETS A LITTLE BIGGER, SMALLER, SO IT PROBABLY WILL BE A COUPLE.UM, THE LINE OF PROPOSED SUBDIVISION IS THAT'S NEW, RIGHT? WELL, WHAT WE WERE SHOWING, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING CONCEPTUALLY WE WERE JUST SHOWING CONCEPTUAL PLAN, BUT NOW WE'RE INTO LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FORMAL PROCESS.
SO THE IDEA WOULD BE, UH, THERE, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A TRACK WIDE DEVELOPMENT.
THINGS HAVE TO BE DEVELOPED ON A TRACK WIDE BASIS, BUT ULTIMATELY FOR PURPOSES OF, YOU KNOW, SALES AND OWNERSHIP OF THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, IT, IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE TO DO A BIG, LIKE WE'D HAVE TO DO SOME SORT OF HYBRID CONDO, HOA, WHATEVER.
SO WE'RE SHOWING A SUBDIVISION LINE ON THERE, WHICH IS A CLEAN BREAK.
ANYWAY, THERE OBVIOUSLY WILL BE CROSS EASEMENTS BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT USES, BUT WE THOUGHT FOR PURPOSES, PARTICULARLY OF THE RESIDENTIAL, IT MAKES SENSE TO LIKE SUBDIVIDE THAT HOA WOULD THEN BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ITS IMPROVEMENTS.
LIKE IT TYPICALLY WOULD BE, AND, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL CENTER WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IMPROVEMENTS OVER THERE.
AND OF COURSE, IF THERE ARE CERTAIN SHARED FACILITIES, WE WOULD PUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CORRECT CROSS EASEMENTS IN PLACE AND COVENANTS TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS OPERATED AND MAINTAINED PROPERLY.
BUT THEN IT'LL STILL BE ONE OWNER FOR BOTH.
UM, WELL, ULTIMATELY WHEN RESIDENTIAL IS SOLD, THE, THE RESIDENTIAL WOULD NOT BE OWNED BY A COM, YOU KNOW, THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER ANYMORE, WE MOVE TO AN HOA.
IT'LL, IT'LL MOVE TO AN HOA, THAT'S WHY WE CREATED THAT SUBDIVISION LINE.
'CAUSE JUST BY OPERATIONAL OF LAW, IT'S REQUIRED TO MOVE TO AN HOAI DON'T, UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T EVEN HAVE A CHOICE.
SO, UM, UH, AND ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU KNOW, WHEN I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN PROJECTS LIKE THIS THAT INVOLVE BOTH, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL OWNERS TYPICALLY LIKE TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL AND MAINTAIN THEIR, YOU KNOW, THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THEIR CENTER LANDSCAPING, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING.
GIVEN THAT THERE'S THE RESIDENTIAL AREA SEPARATED FROM THE RETAIL, FROM A PARKING PERSPECTIVE, UM, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE TWO PARKING SPOTS PER UNIT.
UM, AND I'VE ENCOUNTERED THE NUMBERS, BUT IT APPEARS AS THOUGH THE TWO PARKING SPOTS ARE LIKE FOR THE, FOR THE TENANTS OR OWNERS, WHATEVER.
UM, WE'RE WHERE DO ALL THE VISITORS PARK, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE'S THAT EXTRA PARKING AVAILABLE INTO THE RETAIL AREA, AND HOW DO THEY GET INTO THAT AREA? UH, RIGHT.
UH, SO WE SORT OF HAD ALLUDED TO THIS EARLIER, THIS VISITOR PARKING, WE FORESEE THIS AS BEING USED AS, YOU KNOW, FOR POTENTIALLY A DAYTIME OPERATOR HERE.
THE REALITY IS, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS A A, A, A PUBLIC FACING PROGRAM SPACE, IT'S PROBABLY CLOSING AROUND TWO OR THREE.
IT'S A COFFEE SHOP KIND OF THING.
UM, OUR, OUR EXPECTATION IS THAT PEOPLE COMING TO VISIT FOR DINNER OR WHAT HAVE YOU, WOULD UTILIZE THIS AS WELL.
SO IT WOULD BE A SHARED SITUATION THAT'S A LONG DISTANCE FROM ALL THE WAY TO THE NORTHERN END OF THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
SO I'M JUST QUESTIONING ADEQUATE PARKING FOR NOT JUST THE OCCUPANTS, BUT FOR VISITORS.
UM, SO JUST TO
BUT THAT KIND OF ALSO GOES TO ANOTHER QUESTION IS WHERE TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE, THERE'S A, A PROPOSED GROCERY STORE AND WHERE ARE THE REFUGE CONTAINERS, UM, YOU KNOW, SHOWN I DON'T SEE ANY OF THE SURE.
EXTERNAL STUFF OTHER THAN THIS JUST LINE PARKING SPACES.
SO YEAH, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S A FAIR POINT.
UH, WE WE'RE OBVIOUSLY IN THE PROCESS OF, OF HONING THIS DOWN, WORKING WITH PROSPECTIVE TENANTS ON WHAT THEIR REQUIREMENTS ARE.
EVERY, EVERY OPERATOR'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE NEXT ITERATION CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.
I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT THOSE 28 PARKING SPOTS, PROBABLY OUR PARKING SPOTS, THEY'RE PROBABLY MORE OF A REFUGE THAN THEY ARE FOR PARKING.
PLUS YOU GOTTA, IF YOU ALREADY DO GROCERY STORE, YOU GOTTA HAVE TRUCK BIG PLACES FOR TRUCKS TO BACK END SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, THAT WHOLE ACCESS REFUGE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PARKING SPACES BEHIND BUILDING YEAH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 28, THE 28 SPOTS AT THE REAR OF, OF THE, YOU KNOW, 10 INCH ONE THROUGH FOUR.
I MEAN, THERE'S GOTTA BE, AS, AS YOU KNOW, TOM MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TRUCKS COMING IN, LOADING, UNLOADING, THERE'S GOTTA BE REFUGE COLLECTION, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, YOU KNOW, SO YES, NO, WE WE'RE, WE'RE AWARE.
AND THE NEXT ROUND WILL OBVIOUSLY BE A LOT MORE HONED.
UM, I THINK THE REALITY ALSO, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PARKING BACK THERE, I THINK YOU NEED TO SHOW A CONNECTION, A SAFE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION, NOT JUST WALKING ACROSS WHERE OBVIOUSLY TRUCKS ARE BEING DELIVERED OR THINGS ARE BEING DELIVERED AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO JUST IN TERMS OF IF THEY'RE DEDICATED FOR THE
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RESIDENTIAL PART, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A, A TRAIL IN THERE AND THAT'S GREAT.BUT IF, IF THE RETAIL, IF TENANTS ONE THROUGH THREE OR TWO, THREE AND FOUR HAVE DOOR IN THE BACK END DOOR IN THE FRONT, LIKE SOME OVER AT THAT PROVINCE TOWN CENTER DO, WHICH I KNOW IS HORRIBLE FOR RETAIL AND THEY HATE DOING IT TO BEGIN WITH.
BUT IF YOU MANAGE TO LAND A FEW OF THOSE, HOW YOU GET TO THOSE SAFELY FROM THOSE PARKING SPACES, WE'D NEED TO SEE.
IS THERE ANY OTHER CONNECTIONS TO THE RESIDENTIAL THROUGH THE PARKING LOTS OR ANYTHING THERE? WHAT IS THAT ONE DOWN THERE BY THE SIX NUMBER SIX STACK HOUSE? YEAH, THERE'S ONE THAT'S A CONNECTION.
A WALKWAY OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER.
IS THERE ANY MORE ARE GONNA BE PLANNED FOR? NO, NO.
SO, SO PARKING UP IN THE FRONT OF THE TENANT FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY TO CONNECT TO THE TWO YOU'RE SAYING TO PARK HERE AND WALK UP.
IF YOU PARK, YOU HAVE A PARTY, YOU KNOW, SO YOU, A GRADUATION PARTY, ONE OF THESE THINGS.
AND SO IT NEEDS SOME EXTRA PARKING.
SO IF I PARK AT NUMBER 10 OR 36, HOW DO I GET TO THE HOUSING? RIGHT.
WE HADN'T SUPPOSED HAVING CONNECTIONS THERE.
UM, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT.
UM, BUT AS IT STANDS, WE, WE WANTED TO KEEP A, A FAIR SEPARATION BETWEEN THESE TWO OF YOU.
I MEAN, I, WHEN WE DO THESE STACKED, ALL THESE TOWNHOUSES, WE, WE SEE THEM ALL THE TIME AND IT IS A CONCERN.
I MEAN, WE'RE DOING THAT ONE ON LEWIS ROAD RIGHT NOW, AND ONE OF MY CONCERNS WITH THAT ONE IS, IS THERE ENOUGH PARKING, NOT JUST FOR THE RESIDENTS, BUT YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE PARTIES AND, YOU KNOW, GET TOGETHERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WHERE ALL THESE PEOPLE GO PARK.
AND I THINK PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PARK THERE IF YOU CAN, IF YOU ALLOW 'EM OR WHATEVER, BUT THEN THERE'S NO ACCESS.
SO I, I JUST THINK IT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
EVERYBODY ENDS UP IN THE FIRE LANE.
ALSO, IF YOU GONNA, UH, YOU KNOW, PLANT TREES, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, TO MAKE THE RESIDENTIAL AREA KIND OF AN ENTITY OF ITS OWN.
YOU KNOW, THERE AS, AS TOPS WE, THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME ACCOMMODATION, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT OVERFLOW.
IF WE COULD ALSO LOOK AT THE INTERNAL PEDESTRIAN NETWORK, ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS WITH PROVINCE TOWN CENTER IS YOU CAN'T WALK FROM MICHAEL'S TO BEST BUY WITHOUT WALKING IN A ROAD OR TAKING YOUR LIFE IN YOUR OWN HANDS.
I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU WALK, BE ABLE TO WALK FROM TENANT FOUR DOWN TO 10 H SEPARATED FROM FROM CARS AND, AND SEE HOW THAT WORKS.
IF YOU, IF YOU CAN MAKE THAT WORKS OR, OR EVEN RETAIL D TENANT FOR RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN DO THAT IS IF YOU CAN GET IN YOUR CAR AND DRIVE.
AND I'D LIKE TO, FIRST, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A WALKABLE FOR THE 122 UNITS SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET IN A CAR AND DRIVE DOWN TO RETAIL D WHICH, OR THE RESTAURANT DOWN THERE, BECAUSE IT IS, THEY HAVE TO CROSS FOUR LANES OF TRAFFIC THAT YOU KNOW OF, OF PEOPLE DRIVING TO THE GROCERY STORE.
BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO BE ABLE TO PARK IT 10 FOR AND WALK WHEREVER I WANT TO IN, IN THE SHOPPING CENTER.
THAT MAKES SENSE TO KIND SIDEWALK.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE WAY PROVINCE TOWN CENTER ADDRESSED IT FOR SOME OF IT IS THE MIDDLE OF THEIR PARKING FOR WEGMAN'S, MIDDLE OF THEIR PARKING HAS ONE AISLE THAT'S JUST TO WALKWAY DOWN FROM ONE TO THE OTHER.
I THINK THAT'S ADEQUATE, BUT NOT SPECTACULAR.
WHAT'S THAT THING UP BY RETAIL F THE BLACK WITH THE X? WHAT DOES THAT, WHAT DOES THAT REPRESENT? THIS HERE? YEAH, THAT WAS A PROPOSED OFFICER PADDOCK LOCATION.
OH, I'M SORRY, A DUMPSTER PADDOCK LOCATION.
SO THAT'S WHERE ALL THE TRASH GO NOW YOU KNOW WHERE ALL THE TRASH FOR, FOR THE, FOR THESE GUYS.
I TOLD YOU WE WERE GONNA BEAT IT UP.
SO ALL IN ALL THOUGH, I MEAN, I, I LIKE IT.
I MEAN, IT'S A NICE, IT'S A NICE LOOK TO PLAN COMPARED TO WHAT'S THERE NOW, WHICH IS GAS ONE OTHER, IF YOU GO BACK, JEFF, PLEASE, UH, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE DRIVE THROUGH FOR PAD C KIND OF BEING RIGHT THERE IN THAT, IN, IN, IN AND OUT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK THAT SORT OF RELATES.
I LOOKED AT THE TRAFFIC STUDY IN THERE.
I, I'M GUESSING, I THOUGHT I READ 600 TRAFFICS IN, IN AND OUT THROUGH THAT DRIVE THROUGH AREA.
AND UH, IT JUST BEING AT THAT MAIN ENTRANCE IS, IS CONCERNING TO ME THAT THAT'S YEAH.
THAT RELATES TO THE COMMENT ALSO ABOUT THIS, ABOUT THIS CURB CUT HERE.
WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT RIGHT NOW.
I THINK WHEN YOU GUYS HAVE DONE, IT'S GONNA BE A NICE, IT'S GONNA BE A NICE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING BETTER THAN AT EMPTY OFFICE BUILDINGS SITTING THERE.
SO THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN MARCH, THAT, THAT A FOR MARCH OF THIS YEAR, IT'S STILL A NICE CONCEPT.
PLAN IS TIGHT ON THE RESIDENTIAL.
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I MEAN, YOU'RE REALLY GONNA HAVE TO SHOW US WHERE EVERYBODY'S GONNA PARK THE SPILLOVER PARKING, WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT.I MEAN, ONE PERSON OUT OF ALL THOSE 122 PEOPLE HAS A PARTY.
OR WHAT IF TWO PEOPLE DO IT AT THE SAME TIME? I MEAN, IT'S GOTTA WORK.
NOW WHAT, WHAT KIND OF, UM, THE AREA IN THE VERY BACK, THE TOP PART OF THAT, IS THAT GONNA REMAIN WOODED OR THIS YEAH, THIS IS, UM, THIS IS ALL, THERE IS ACTUALLY SOME STORM WATER MANAGEMENT BACK THERE THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE.
UH, AND WE'RE, YEAH, THIS IS ALL GONNA BE AS, UM, IT'S ALL GONNA BE GREEN SPACE.
IT'S NOT GONNA, SO THE EXISTING WATERWAY THAT RUNS THROUGH THE SITE OUT FALLS DOWN THIS WAY.
IF I JUST HAVE YOU GIVE YOUR NAME REAL QUICK, JUST SORRY, UP HERE, UP HERE, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T PICK UP VERY WELL.
THERE WAS A LIVE STREAM I WAS BEING, I SHOWED HAVE THE TOP AGAIN, DENNIS
UM, AND OUR PLAN IS TO HAVE OUR FUTURE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FOLLOW THAT SAME PATTERN AND OUT FALL, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE MARCH PICTURE? THOSE GIAN WALLS ARE BACK, SORRY, ADJACENT TO THIS BLUE LINE, RIGHT? YEAH, NO, JUST WHERE YOU ACTUALLY UP A LITTLE BIT WHERE YOUR POINTER WAS RIGHT THERE.
SO YES, WE WOULDN'T BE DOING ANYTHING IN THAT AREA.
WE'RE, WE'RE KEEPING IT INTACT.
CAN I GET THE OTHER ONE? DO YOU HAVE ONE MORE TIME? I JUST GOT THOUGHT OF ANOTHER QUESTION FROM BOB'S QUESTION.
UM, THIS ONE OR THE BLACK ONE? BLACK AND WHITE ONE.
UM, THE ONE IS AFTER THAT ONE ACTUALLY.
WELL, THIS WORKS, UM, TO BOB'S QUESTION, YOU KNOW, IT'S, HE FEELS IT'S A LITTLE TIGHT ON THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE, UM, PARKING AND ALL THAT.
BUT ALSO THE QUESTION WOULD BE, IS ASSUME THERE'S GONNA BE SOME KIDS LIVING HERE, RIGHT? WHERE DO THEY PLAY? DO YOU EXPECT THEM TO GO OVER TO THE PARK? IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT THE PLAN IS? YEAH.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S A DECENT AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE HERE IN FRONT OF THESE GUYS AND IN BETWEEN EACH OF THE TOWNHOUSES.
BUT THE EXPECTATION IS THAT, YEAH, I MEAN THERE'S, THERE'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY LINE GOES OUT TO HERE, THIS RAMPS UP A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN THIS IS ALL YOU CONNECTED.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A CONNECTION OVER TO THE PARK.
OUR, OUR, OUR PLAN WAS TO HAVE A CONNECTION BACK HERE AND RUNS BACK YES.
THAT'S THE ONE I WAS, YEAH, I JUST ALWAYS, I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED IS ANOTHER DEVELOPER, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE TALKING TO AND, AND, AND, AND, UM, HE'S DOING THE SAME THING.
HE'S PUTTING, AND I UNDERSTAND THE, YOU KNOW, FINANCIAL PIECE OF THIS THING, BUT, UM, UH, IT, IT NEVER SEEMS LIKE ANYBODY THINKS ABOUT THE LITTLE KIDS.
I MEAN, THE BIGGER KIDS, YEAH, THEY CAN GO OVER TO THE PARK, BUT THE LITTLE GUYS, YOU'RE NOT GONNA LET 'EM GO OVER TO THE PARK BY THEMSELVES.
SO THERE'S NOWHERE REALLY FOR THEM TO RECREATE.
AND, UM, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING TOO THAT MAYBE BE ABLE TO LOOK AT IS, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF PLACE FOR KIDS TO PLAY, UM, LITTLE KIDS.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GONNA LET 'EM GO OVER THERE BY THEMSELVES.
SO, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION.
UH, SO THESE ARE JUST SOME UPDATED VIEWS.
UH, THIS IS SORT OF LOOKING, UM, FROM KIND OF WHERE THE, THE, THE TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT IS BACK AT THE LARGER, UH, BOXES HERE AND HERE PROPOSED, UH, POTENTIALLY A GROCERY STORE HERE.
AND YES, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE ARE PROPOSING TREES AND ALL THESE ISLANDS.
I THINK WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN AS MUCH GREEN SPACE AS POSSIBLE.
UM, SO THESE ARE SOME VIEWS OF THE NEW, WHAT WE, WHAT WE'RE NOW CALLING BUILDING FOUR FIVE, WHICH WAS THE V-SHAPED BUILDING.
UM, THE IDEA IS THAT WE HAVE AN OUTDOOR PATIO HERE.
UM, AND THEN THAT BREAK BETWEEN THE TWO, THE TWO BUILDINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CARVED A FAIRLY LARGE SWATH OF LAND OUT THAT WE'RE EXPECTING TO USE AS, UH, OUTDOOR DINING IN LIKE A PROMENADE SPACE.
UM, THIS VIEW IS KIND OF A MORE CLOSEUP VERSION OF THAT.
UM, THE IDEA BEING THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS TENANT HERE, RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, FOOD SERVICE USER, AND THE ONE HERE CAN POTENTIALLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, LARGE, LARGE EITHER OPERABLE DOORS OR ROLLUP DOORS AND KIND OF CREATE A LOT OF INDOOR OUTDOOR SPACE WITH, UM, WITH SEATING GROUPS AND, AND YOU KNOW, LIGHTING AND OUTDOOR, UH, UH, PERGOLAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
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UM, DO, DO YOU HAVE ANY, DO YOU HAVE ANY MAJOR ISSUES WITH ANY OF THE CONCERNS, UH, THAT, UH, BOTH, UH, BOWMAN AND GILMORE HAVE PRESENTED IN THEIR LETTERS, UH, FROM AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER? I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED MOST OF THE THINGS ALREADY ON THIS PLAN, IF YOU WANNA SPEAK BY.YEAH, I, I WAS GONNA SAY IN TERMS OF THE TECHNICAL COMMENTS, UM, IN TERMS OF PLAN COMMENTS, WE DO NOT.
UM, AND THEN SEPARATELY, UM, IN BOWMAN'S LETTER, THEY'RE ALSO REFERENCING THE FACT THAT, UM, WE ARE WORKING ON A FULL TRANSPORTATION IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT WOULD BE SUBMITTED.
WE HAD ALREADY HAD A SCOPING MEETING WITH PENDOT, WENT THROUGH A LOT OF THAT.
AND UM, I KNOW THAT GREG'S OFFICE HAS BEEN WORKING ON THE FULL TRAFFIC STUDY, WHICH WOULD BE SUBMITTED SHORTLY.
SO THOSE ARE NOT ISSUES EITHER.
I MEAN, THOSE WERE ALL THINGS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED ALREADY WITH PENDOT.
SO HOW ABOUT YOU JET? ANY, ANY UNIQUE, UH, FEATURES TO THIS AND WAY OF STORMWATER? NO, NOT SPECIFICALLY.
I MEAN, THEY'VE ADDRESSED THE BIG TWO ON SITE WITH THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, AS FAR AS THE UNDERGROUND BEDS, I'VE SEEN THEM, A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE UNDER THE PARKING BAYS THEMSELVES WITH JUST CONNECTIONS PERHAPS UNDER THE ISLANDS.
UM, SO I THINK THEY CAN DESIGN AROUND THAT FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S WHAT WE, AND TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND, AND, AND IN, UH, GILMORE'S REVIEW LETTER, UM, THERE IS A SUGGESTION TO, UM, AS TO HOW PRE-DEVELOPMENT SITE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS MEADOW.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, WE CAN HANDLE AS WELL AS PART OF THIS.
YEAH, THAT WAS REALLY INTENDED BECAUSE IT'S UNKNOWN WHETHER THEY'RE SALVAGING ANY OF THE EXISTING STORMWATER MANAGEMENT THAT'S OUT THERE.
SO IT SHOULD JUST ALL BE ANALYZED AT THE SAME TIME, WHETHER THEY'RE REUSING IT OR WHETHER THEY'RE PUTTING IN BRAND NEW INFRASTRUCTURE AND JUST TYING INTO THE DISCHARGE.
BUT THERE'S NOTHING YOU SEE THAT'S GONNA BE UNIQUE OR DIFFICULT OR, HEY, JEFF, WASN'T THERE, UM, HARD MEMORY, WHICH IS NOT GOOD.
UM, YOU GONNA TAX MINE TOO? HUH? YOU'RE GONNA TAX MINE TOO.
WASN'T THERE SOME ISSUE WITH PROVIDENCE DOWN CENTER IN THIS PLACE? THERE WAS SOME, THEY THERE SOME ISSUES? THEY WANTED TO MONITOR THE ZONING CHANGE.
THEY WANTED TO MONITOR THE ZONING CHANGE AND SEE WHAT EFFECT THAT MIGHT HAVE ON THE WHOLE CORRIDOR.
UM, THEY CAME TO THE ADOPTION HEARING.
I THINK THEY SPOKE THERE, DIDN'T THEY? MM-HMM,
UM, THEY, THEY, THEY WERE THERE WHEN IT WAS ADOPTED AND THEN THEY, I THINK THEY'RE WELL AWARE OF THE PLAN.
THEY PROBABLY KNOW BETTER WHO'S GONNA BE IN THE CENTER THAN WE DO CONSIDERING THEY'RE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPERS.
UM, AND UM, THEY DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT.
BUT AFTER THE ZONING, THEY, THEY ARE BACKED DOWN.
THEY'RE, THEY BACKED DOWN AND, AND I'VE, I'VE, AGAIN, I SAID IT AT THE HEARING, I THINK I SAID IT WHEN THEY WERE HERE.
I'VE OFFERED TO SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND TALK ABOUT THEIR ZONING AND HOW THEY MAY, HOW IT IS THEIR ZONING IS 14, 15 YEARS OLD.
I I UNDERSTAND THAT IT MAY NOT BE KEEPING UP WITH WHAT THEY NEEDED TO.
I'M WILLING TO SIT DOWN AND TALK TO 'EM ABOUT, FROM THE TOWNSHIP'S PERSPECTIVE, WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP THEM OUT TO MAKE THEM A SUCCESSFUL SHOPPING CENTER.
I MEAN, I THINK WE WANT BOTH TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
AND SO IF I, IF THERE'S SOMETHING I CAN DO TO, TO HELP THEM OUT, I'M HAPPY TO DO IT.
AND I HAVEN'T HEARD, IS THAT THE UBON GROUP? NO, IT'S, IT IS, UM, A, A FIRM, A COMPANY OUT OF NEW YORK.
I, I DON'T, I NEVER REMEMBER THEIR NAME.
YOU'VE HAD NO ISSUE MORE HEARD ANYTHING? NO, NOT SINCE THE HEARING, LIKE JEFF WAS SAYING, THAT WAS THE LAST COMMUNICATION FROM, SO PRETTY MUCH THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE ANY LONGER.
STILL WILLING TO SIT DOWN WITH 'EM THOUGH, IF THEY'RE LISTENING.
I'M SURE THEY'RE ON RIGHT NOW.
ONE OTHER QUESTION, WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THE STACKED UNITS? UH, THE STACKED UNIT IS I BELIEVE 40, UH, 40 FEET TALL.
WE HAVE A CAP OF 45, I THINK IN THE ZONING DISTRICT.
DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT YOUR LAST COUPLE? YEAH, SURE.
UM, THESE ARE JUST, UH, AGAIN, SOME UPDATED IMAGES, JUST SHOWING KIND OF THE, THE BREADTH AND WIDTH OF THE BUILDINGS, THE MATERIALITY, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, UH, INTRODUCING, INTRODUCING GREEN SPACE, UH, EVEN IN THE PEDESTRIAN AREAS, UM, WANTING TO HAVE SOME OUTDOOR SPACE AND KIND OF THE MATERIALS.
AND I THINK THERE MIGHT BE, YEAH.
SO THESE ARE, UH, SLIDES THAT THESE ONES, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE SEEN ALL OF THEM.
NOT MUCH HAS CHANGED EXCEPT FOR SOME OF THE LOCATIONS.
BUT BASICALLY THIS SHOWS, YOU KNOW, THE VIEW FROM THE JUNIOR BOX PARKING UP TO THE TOWNHOUSE AREA, AGAIN, THE, THE GOAL HERE IS TO KEEP AS MUCH, UH, FOLIAGE IS POSSIBLE.
UM, AND KEEP A, A NICE GREEN SEPARATION BETWEEN THE TWO.
UM, SOME OUTDOOR SPACE, UH, IN BETWEEN THE TOWNHOUSES.
THESE TYPICALLY HAVE, UM, UH, JULIA BALCONIES OR BALCONIES.
SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME INTERACTION BETWEEN PEDESTRIANS AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.
AND IF YOU GO TO THE LAST SLIDE, AND SO THIS IS THE, EXCUSE ME, THIS IS THE HISTORIC HOUSE HERE.
THE IDEA, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY IS THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE, UM, A WALKWAY.
YOU KNOW, THERE IS AN EXISTING WALKWAY AT ROCK, UH, THAT
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WE'RE MAINTAINING.UM, WE HAVE AN INTERNAL WALKWAY HERE THAT'S SORT OF ALONG THE LAST PHASE OF THESE TOWNHOUSES GOING UP TOWARDS THE, UM, UH, THE, THE HISTORIC HOUSE.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS VERY CONCEPTUAL, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT, LIKE I SAID, WE WANT TO HAVE SOME SORT OF A PROGRAM SPACE THERE AND ACTUALLY, UM, DO A FULL FLEDGED ADAPTIVE REUSE AND NOT JUST SORT OF MOP BALL THE BUILDING.
WE WANT TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT NICE AND, AND REUSE IT.
TO THAT END, UH, ALLISON ASKED ME ABOUT FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE STANDPOINT, IF THEY WANTED TO WORK ON THE HOUSE EARLY BEFORE THEY HAD FINAL LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL IN TERMS OF REHABILITATION AND SHORING UP THE BUILDING AND WORKING IN THERE FROM A BUILDING CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT.
I SAID THAT FROM MY POSITION, I THINK THAT THAT'S FINE.
UM, IF THEY DO ANY SORT OF DESIGN WORK, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SIGN AND SEAL PLANS LIKE THEY WILL WITH ANY OTHER, UM, BUILDING APPLICATION.
I DON'T THINK WE'D NECESSARILY BE TO THAT LEVEL.
BUT IF YOU HAPPEN TO DRIVE BY AND SEE SOMEONE WORKING ON IT, IT'S, IT'S REALLY JUST PRESERVING THE HOUSE BEFORE MORE THINGS KIND OF WEAR AND TEAR ON IT.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF LIKE MAKE SAFE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO.
AND I APPRECIATE THEM WILLING TO DO THAT BEFORE THEY GET THEIR LAND, THEIR FINAL LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL, WHICH IS MONTHS AWAY.
WELL I APPRECIATE THEM KEEPING IT.
YOU KNOW, I'M ASSUMING YOU COULD JUST LEVEL IT AND UH, SO I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT.
THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S GOOD FOR THE C YEAH, AND WE HEARD THE SAME AND THAT'S BEEN OUR GOAL.
WELL, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, ANTHONY, JEN, ANYTHING GUYS WANT? YEAH, ANTHONY, JUST ONE QUESTION.
SO THAT NOTE THAT THE TRAIL I GUESS HAS BEEN PROVIDED SO WE COORDINATED THAT.
SO IT'S GOOD, GOOD TO SEE THAT CONNECTION ALONG.
FACING CONNECTION, BLACKROCK 29.
UM, WE HAD DISCUSSED, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT SHOWN ON THIS PLAN, WE DISCUSSED IT, BUT, UM, THE, THE CROSSING OF ROUTE 29 OF THE PROPOSED SIGNAL STILL PART OF THE PROCESS.
AND I KNOW WE'VE BEEN COORDINATED WITH THE SIGNAL PROJECT THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDERWAY.
UM, WHY DON'T YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER PLANNING? SO THE, UM, SO THE TOWNSHIP RECEIVED A GRANT TO DO SIGNAL UPGRADES AT THE MAIN INTERSECTION, 29.
UM, AND THE MAIN ACCESS, SO THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDERWAY.
SO THERE'S CURRENTLY THAT INTERSECTION HAS THOSE LONG SPAN WIRES THAT, THAT CROSS THE MULTIPLE LANES.
SO THERE WAS BEING AN UPGRADE TO THE MASS ARMS. UM, IT'S BEING SET UP FOR FUTURE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY, WHICH THIS PROJECT CAN THEN, UM, TIE INTO.
UM, SO YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT PEOPLE COMING FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE CORNER ON THE OTHER CORNER, OPPOSITE CORNER SO THAT NURSING HOME BE ABLE TO GET INTO THESE RESTAURANTS? YEAH, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD THE CONNECTIVITY.
SO AS PART OF THAT GRANT PROJECT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS INITIALLY DISCUSSED WITH PENN, YOU KNOW, THE PURSUIT OF FEASIBILITY OF A CROSSING BECAUSE OF THE COMPLEXITY.
THIS RIGHT BEFORE THIS APPLICATION CAME THROUGH.
SO BECAUSE OF THE COMPLEXITIES OF THE CROSSING, IT'S GONNA BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE IS WHAT WE FLUSHED OUT THROUGH OUR COORDINATION WITH THE DEPARTMENT UNDER THE GREEN LIGHT GO GRANT PROJECT.
BUT IT WAS TAKEN OUT OF THAT SCOPE BECAUSE OF THE, IT WAS STARTING TO, TO TURN INTO A MAJOR ISSUE TO DRAINAGE, ET CETERA.
SO THEN WE COORDINATED WITH I AND ALLISON AND, AND RE PLAN AND GREG.
UM, AND SO WE, WE SET IT UP WITH THE CONNECTIVITY COULD BE GEAR THAT, THAT CROSSING IS GONNA OCCUR ON.
I WAS DISCUSSED WITH PENDO AS WELL.
SO THAT'S ALL GONNA BE UPGRADED.
IT'LL BE SET UP FOR CONNECTIVITY.
THEY'RE GONNA PROVIDE THE CROSSING ON THE SOUTH LEG TO GO ACROSS 29.
'CAUSE THERE'S CURRENT, THERE'S SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY ON THE OTHER SIDE AND SOME A, A RAMPS AND SIDEWALKS.
SO THAT'LL ALL BE CONNECTED AND THEY'LL HAVE SAFE CROSSING TO GO FROM ONE SIDE TO 2019.
YEAH, IT WAS COINCIDENTAL THAT THE GRANT WAS ALREADY APPLIED FOR, AND IT HAPPENED ACTUALLY RIGHT BEFORE WE GOT HERE.
SO AT LEAST TIMING WISE, IT'S GREAT THAT IT CAN BE PLANNED SO EVERYBODY'S NOT RIPPING THINGS UP RIGHT AFTER THEY YEAH, IT'S GOOD TIMES.
AND THE OTHER DISCUSSION, UM, THAT WE HAD IN CONJUNCTION WITH PENDOT WAS FIBER CONNECTIVITY.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE ADAPTIVE CARTER ALONG 29, THE, UH, SMART SIGNALS AS THEY CALL 'EM.
SO THE COORDINATION WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, AND PENDOT WAS DECIDED THAT THAT WAS GONNA BE UPGRADED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT TOO.
AND THAT'LL, THAT'LL HELP TO, UH, IMPROVE THE CONNECTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE QUARTER FROM POINTS BLACKROCK CONTINUING UP NORTH.
UM, THAT WAS, THAT'S A NICE UPGRADE VIEW.
NOW WILL THAT, THAT 29 CROSSING BE ON BOTH SIDES? JUST ON THE, JUST ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE? JUST ON ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
UH, WELL THERE, THERE'S A CROSS, THERE'S GONNA BE A CROSSING AT BLACKROCK ROAD.
AND THERE'S ALSO A CROSSING IN DO RUN, WHICH IS THE ENTRANCE RIGHT NOW IS THE ENTRANCE TO QUEST.
AND ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE ENTRANCE TO GLAXO.
SO YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO WALK FROM GLAXO AND HAVE A SAFE CROSSING INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER.
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OKAY.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? WHAT'S OUR ROLE HERE? UM, I MEAN, ARE ARE THEY LOOKING FOR, I I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING FOR TENTATIVE LANDON ALL IN RECOMMENDATION.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR RECOMMENDATION.
SO I MEAN, SO WE'RE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THIS GOES TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION OF YES OR NO OR ONE OR THE OTHER.
I WOULD RECOMMENDATION WHETHER YOU RECOMMEND THAT THE BOARD APPROVE THE TENTATIVE OR WHETHER YOU RECOMMEND THAT THEY NOT APPROVE THE TENTATIVE.
I DIDN'T ASK ANYBODY THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THIS.
UH, THIS HERE TO GET SOME PUBLIC PEOPLE HERE NOW.
SO, UH, THE STRANGER WHO'S THAT GUY? SO, SO BILL, COME ON.
YOU, YOU KNOW, I MEAN BILL, THERE THERE WERE SOME GOOD COMMENTS CONCERNING THE PARK, BILL FELTON OLD STATE ROAD.
THERE WERE SOME GOOD COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, REGARDING THE, THE PARKING AND, AND THE UH, TOT LOT OR WHATEVER FOR THE KIDS.
UH, UM, ON THE, ON THE ELEVATIONS THAT WERE SHOWN, IS THERE ANY GARAGE ELEVATIONS FOR THE PROJECT? THEY'RE NOT IN THESE IMAGES, BUT WE CAN PRODUCE EM.
SO ON THAT FIRST LEVEL, ON THIS PEDESTRIAN SIDE, WHAT IS BEHIND THOSE FIRST FLOOR? IS THAT LIVING ON THAT FIRST FLOOR? IS THAT GARAGES OR WHAT IS YEAH, SO, UM, THE FRONT, THE FRONT HALF IS LIVING AND VERTICAL CIRCULATION.
AND THEN THE BACK HALF WOULD BE GARAGES.
SO THERE'S NO SURFACE PARKING OTHER THAN THERE'S TWO TWO GARAGE SPACES, RIGHT.
IN THE, IN THE, IN THE BUILDINGS AND THEN TWO DRIVEWAY SPACES.
OH, OH, THERE'S TWO DRIVEWAY SPACES.
SO EACH HOUSE, EACH, EACH DWELLING UNIT HAS TWO PARKING SPACES.
SO ONE, ONE GARAGE SPACE AND ONE GARAGE ONE.
NOT A TWO CAR GARAGE, BUT A ONE CAR PER UNIT.
AND THAT'S ALL FILLED WITH DEBRIS AND EXCESS FURNITURE.
SO THE PARKING IS IS OUTSIDE OF THE GARAGE.
SO ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS, THE RETAIL'S GONNA BE STORAGE.
I THINK IT'D ALSO BE NICE TO SEE SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINES SOME FLOOR PLANS FOR THE STACK 10 HOUSES, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS LIKE.
AND I KNOW THAT, THAT MR. LANKER HAD SAID SOMETHING ABOUT SOME MIGHT BE SINGLE LEVEL, SOME MIGHT BE DOUBLE, YOU KNOW, ELEVATORS IN ALL OF THEM.
AND, AND SO THERE WAS A VARIETY OF UNITS.
WE COULD JUST GET A SENSE OF THAT SOME WAY ALONG THE WAY HERE.
I THINK WE, I THINK WE'D APPRECIATE IT.
AND I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED EARLIER, DAVE NOT HERE THIS EVENING AND WE DO HAVE JENNIFER ROSENBERG, THE VICE PRESIDENT OF LAND DEVELOPMENT WATCHING THE LIVE STREAM BECAUSE IT IS ROSH HASHANAH TONIGHT.
SO THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO BE HERE IN PERSON.
BUT WE DO, I DID HAVE HER AVAILABLE.
THAT'S WHY I HAVE MY CELL PHONE.
SO IF I NEEDED TO CALL HER AND ASK HER A QUESTION, YOU COULD PUT HER ON SPEAKER.
SO WHAT IS YOUR TARGET? UH, RESIDENTIAL, WHAT IS YOUR TARGET? RETIRED PEOPLE? IS IT MORE OR JUST OPEN FAMILIES? I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT, IT IS RETIRED POSITION AND SORT OF THAT, AND IT'S SORT OF THE, THE OPPOSITE ENDS OF THE SPECTRUM, SO TO SPEAK.
LIKE YOUR YOUNG, YOU KNOW, SORT OF FIRST TIME BUYER ENTRY LEVEL TYPE AND THEN YOUR EMPTY NESTER WANT TO DOWNSIZE, WOULD LIKE TO STAY IN UPPER PROVIDENCE, DON'T, DON'T REALLY WANT THE MAINTENANCE OF A WHOLE HOUSE AND YOU KNOW, HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE SOMETHING SMALLER THAT IS MORE EACH TARGETED.
WHAT KIND OF PRICE TARGET ARE YOU LOOKING AT? UM, WE DO, YEAH, WE HAD, WE HAD PRESENTED OR UM, SUBMITTED A FISCAL AND YOU KNOW, SCHOOL DISTRICT STUDY WITH THE REZONING APPLICATION.
SO LEMME JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
OTHERWISE I CAN ALWAYS GET JEN ON THE PHONE.
I MIGHT JUST SUGGEST MAYBE A PIECE OF THIS OR ALL OF IT WOULD BE A GOOD APPLICATION TO MAKE A MODEL.
THAT WAY EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT IN 3D.
'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY GETTING INTO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
LIKE SOMETHING DIFFERENT BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ONE OF THESE BEFORE.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW YOU MEAN A PHYSICAL MODEL.
WOULD IT BE EASIER TO DO LIKE VIRTUAL? I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S EVEN TOO
SO YES, UH, WITH THE TECHNOLOGY WE HAVE TODAY, I DON'T
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KNOW THAT I WOULD DO A PHYSICAL MODEL, BUT IT IS POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD PRODUCE A 3D MODEL WITH LIKE A CUTAWAY.SO YOU CAN KIND OF UNDERSTAND.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE HELPFUL FOR EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND THE INTERACTIONS OF THE, OF THE UNITS SO WE CAN, YOU CAN LIKE FIND SOME THINGS THAT YOU HADN'T THOUGHT OF OR SOMETHING.
UM, DO I HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I ALSO STILL LOOKING FOR, YOU COULD JUMP IN HERE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD ALWAYS BE AN AVERAGE, BUT OUR AVERAGE THAT WE WERE ASSUMING CURIOUS WAS IN THE FOURS.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS TO, UH, ALLISON OR DIRECTOR OR ANYBODY ELSE? I MEAN, JUST BEING IN TOWN HOMES AND KNOWING HOW MUCH STUFF ACCUMULATES IN THE GARAGES BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY THEIR MAIN STORAGE SPACE.
I THINK THAT PUSHING AGAIN, ALL THE PARKING IS IMPORTANT.
AND I, AND I MEAN AS A DRAFTER OF THESE DOCUMENTS, WE CERTAINLY WRITE IN A LOT OF, I MEAN THAT IS ALWAYS A CONCERN THESE DAYS.
I'M STARTING TO SEE OTHER WEIRD THINGS TOO THAT I, YOU KNOW, THE MORE YOU DO THIS, THE MORE YOU LEARN, THE MORE RESTRICTIONS YOU PUT IN.
UM, BUT WE TYPICALLY DO HAVE THAT TYPE OF RESTRICTION TO SAY IT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR, THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IS MAKES SENSE HERE TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF RESTRICTION THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T USE IT FOR STORAGE, YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, USE IT.
YOU CAN'T CONVERT IT TO HABITABLE SPACE, OTHERWISE IT MUST BE YOUR GARAGE SPACE FOR SURE.
WELL, I THINK YOUR TENANTS, YOU SHOULD BE MARKETING TO SOMEBODY STORAGE UNIT,
AND I LIVE IN ONE OF THOSE TOWNHOUSE COMMUNITIES TOO, SO I AM, I AM AWARE OF, OF THAT KIND OF ISSUE.
SO DO I HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO UM, WHATEVER WE, WHATEVER THAT MOTION WOULD BE TO APPROVE OR TO UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR RECOMMEND DENIAL TO THE SUPERVISOR.
BUT EVERYBODY WANT WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO KNOW.
I, I'D MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE, UH, RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD, UM, THE SKETCH PLAN WITH MORE DETAIL, HOWEVER, TO BE DONE ON THE RESIDENTIAL PART.
AND OF COURSE THAT 3D MODEL MIGHT JUST HELP A LOT
THE BIG TOP OF THE FUNNEL IS WHERE THEY HAVE ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY COULD BE DOING TENTATIVE STAGE OF THE FIRST LEVEL OF THE FUNNEL.
THEY START TO GET DOWN INTO THE DETAILS OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING, MAKE SURE THAT IT IS FEASIBLE.
THAT'S WHAT A TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN IS.
LIKE THE DEVELOPER COMES IN, THEY SAY, YOU KNOW, HEY, THIS IS GENERALLY WHAT YOU WANNA DO.
WE DON'T WANNA EXPEND ALL THE MONEY NECESSARY TO REALLY GIVE YOU THAT DESIGN DETAIL.
SO AFTER THEY DO TENTATIVE, THEY'LL GO INTO PRELIMINARY WHERE THEY'LL DO SOME OF THOSE DETAILS THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR.
SO BY MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION, YOU'RE SAYING, YEAH, WE THINK GENERALLY THESE BROAD STROKES IDEAS THAT THEY'RE PUTTING OUT THERE ARE ACCEPTABLE.
WE THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY WE ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS.
THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK IN FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAN AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE OF THOSE DETAILS.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE THE FINAL LEVEL, IT'S NOT GONNA BE THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY READY FOR FINAL APPROVAL, REPORTING THE PLANS, ALL THAT.
BUT IT'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE OF THOSE DETAILS.
YEAH, I, I JUST, I, I THINK ALRIGHT, SO, SO, SO OUR MOTION SHOULD BE JUST MORE AROUND WE, WE, YOU ARE RECOMMENDING THIS MOVE FORWARD TO MOVE FORWARD AS TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR.
BUT I THINK WE'VE GIVEN 'EM A LOT OF IDEAS TO WHERE THEY NEED TO FOCUS FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAN.
WE LOOKING FORWARD TO STEPS AND THEY CAN WATCH THE VIDEO MULTIPLE TIMES.
A LOT OF GREAT RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO, SO I A SECOND ON THAT MOTION DEPOSIT MAKING FOR APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, OUR, UH, FOR TENTATIVE, UM, TO MOVE FORWARD.
OF, SO YOU'VE ALL READ THIS COVER TO COMMENT.
[COMPREHENSIVE PLAN: DISCUSSION AND RECOMMENDATION]
YEAH.SO WE'RE MOVING TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COVER TO COVER.
THIS IS THE NEXT THING ON OUR, UH, AGENDA, CHERYL, WHICH HAVE A COPY IN FRONT OF US.
YOU WHAT I SENT IN, IN THE PACKET EARLIER THIS WEEK.
AND AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING LAST WEEK.
I KNOW I, I TRIED TO GET OUT LAST WEEK, BUT I WANTED TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THERE.
THIS WITH THE PACKET, WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SO YOU COULD LOOK AT IT, UM, WHEN YOU HAD A TIME.
AND SO PUSH EVERYTHING BACK A LITTLE BIT LATE.
BUT WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE FULL, COMPLETE,
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FULLY FORMATTED PAGES ARE LOCKED IN CONTENTS, IS LOCKED IN DOCUMENT THAT IF YOU GIVE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD TONIGHT TO APPROVE IT AT THEIR HEARING IN NOVEMBER, THEY WILL BE SEEING EXACTLY THE SAME THING.THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW IS FOR YOU TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, GOOD OR BAD AND TOMORROW I WILL BE SENDING THIS OUT TO THE NEIGHBORING MUNICIPALITIES, WHICH YOU CAN ALL SEE IS THE, THE VERY LAST PAGE OF IT LISTS ALL THE NEIGHBORING MUNICIPALITIES.
I SEND A COPY OUT TO THEM AS PART OF THE, THE MUNICIPALITIES PLANNING CODE REQUIREMENTS.
THEY HAVE TO, THEY HAVE 45 DAYS TO REVIEW IT.
WHO DOES IT? ALL OF THE NEIGHBORING MUNICIPALITIES.
THOSE NEIGHBORING MUNICIPALITIES MAY OR MAY NOT REVIEW IT.
THEY, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO, BUT THEY, THEY'RE GIVEN 45 DAYS.
THE 45TH DAY IS FRIDAY, SO I'LL BE SENDING IT OUT.
THE 45TH DAY BEFORE IS, IS IS THIS FRIDAY BEFORE THE HEARING IN, IN NOVEMBER.
SO I WILL BE SENDING THIS OUT AND IF YOU HAVE CHANGES, WE CAN MAKE CHANGES.
IF YOU'VE SEEN AN ERROR OR MISSPELLING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I WOULD BE SHOCKED AT THIS POINT.
IT, IT, THE AMOUNT OF PATTY'S PATTY, THE ZONING, MY ZONING CLERK HAS READ THIS A COUPLE TIMES.
CHERYL, THE, THE EXECUTIVE SECRETARY HAS READ IT A COUPLE TIMES.
I MEAN, THEY FOUND THINGS THAT I NEVER WOULD'VE SEEN, SO I WOULD BE SHOCKED IF, IF SOMETHING HAS SLIPPED THROUGH THE CRACKS.
WELL, I THINK, LET ME RECOMMEND, LET ME JUST SAY JEFF, OR, OR, OR, OR GIVE YOU KUDOS OR, I THINK IT'S A GREAT JOB.
YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME I OPEN IT UP I FALL ASLEEP IMMEDIATELY, BUT IT'S REALLY, REALLY GOOD.
81 AFTER 83, BASED ON, ACTUALLY I, I EMAILED IT TO LINDA.
LINDA AND I, OUR WEBSITE COORDINATOR.
WE COORDINATED THIS AFTERNOON AND I EMAILED HER THIS EXACT ONE, THIS EXACT FINAL DRAFT.
NOW MAYBE SOMETIMES IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT TO POPULATE, BUT THIS IS WHAT SHOULD BE ON THERE.
SO PAGE 81, THIS IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING WITH THE PRIORITIES WITH THE HIGH, THE MEDIUM PLUS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THESE ARE WHAT YOU HOLD ME AND TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, THE BOARD SUPERVISORS.
THIS IS WHAT YOU HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE TO DO AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING THESE, OBVIOUSLY PLANNING COMMISSION IS PROBABLY LISTED ON MOST OF THESE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS LISTED ON MOST OF THESE.
THESE WILL BE THE THINGS THAT PROBABLY SOMETIME IN THE NEXT COUPLE MEETINGS WE WILL GO THROUGH AND WE WILL FOR SEE WHAT WE WANT TO HIT FIRST FOR NEXT YEAR.
CAN I, CAN I SUGGEST THOUGH THAT, UM, WE, WE DESIGNATE A PRIMARY OWNER FOR EACH OF THEM.
FOR EXAMPLE, JUST TAKE THE FIRST ONE UP.
UPDATE THE TOWNSHIP ROADWAY MAP.
WELL, I, I ATTENDED WHO, WHO'S, WHO'S GOING TO OWN I NOW I I OBVIOUSLY, I DIDN'T PUT IT IN THE LANGUAGE, BUT WHOEVER'S LISTED FIRST IS WHO OWNS IT.
IN MY ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL THAT'S, I WILL GOVERN THE PROJECTS FINE.
BUT YOU KNOW, YOU, WELL, LET'S GO BACK DOWN TO A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
UH, PLANNING COMMISSION IS THE FIRST ONE THAT SHOWS THAT THE DEFENSE, THE FIRST, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THE, YOU KNOW RIGHT.
COMMISSION AND YOU, AND THAT'S BECAUSE YOU SO, SO WE'RE GONNA OWN THAT ONE.
YOU ARE GOING TO DIRECT ME TO DO THAT WORK.
AND YOU'RE GOING, I'M GOING TO WRITE THINGS, BUT YOU ARE GOING TO OVERSEE THAT WORK WITH ANY LEVEL, WITH ANY ZONING CHANGE.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE THAT CHANGE AND DIRECTS THAT CHANGE.
SO, BUT WHO, BUT WHO'S, WHO'S GONNA MAKE IT HAPPEN? THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE TO MAKE SURE YOU YES.
IF THAT, WHATEVER INPUT WE PROVIDE AND WHATEVER YES.
AND IF YOU DON'T SEE IT ON AN AGENDA AND YOU'RE LIKE, JEFF, WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH IT? YOU BRING IT OUT IN PUBLIC AND YOU SAY, JEFF, THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE.
SO, SO PERIODICALLY YOU ARE GONNA PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA EVERY YEAH, I MEAN, EVERY MONTH WE, WE'LL PROBABLY PUT IT, I MEAN, WE'LL PROBABLY GIVE THIS A LITTLE BIT OF BREATHING ROOM, PROBABLY LIKE THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, JANUARY, BUT IT'S GONNA BE NEXT YEAR.
WE'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND SAY, OKAY, OF ALL THE HIGH PRIORITY ITEMS, WHICH ONE WOULD YOU LIKE TO WORK ON FIRST? OKAY.
IT THE ONLY MINOR COMMENT I GUESS I WOULD MAKE TO THIS, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.
UM, THE, THE, UH, PRIORITIES, THE HS, THE ENDS, IS THAT DEFINED ANYWHERE? LIKE WITH THE TUNNEL PERIOD? OH, IF I DIDN'T DO THAT, THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.
LIKE HIGH, HIGH PRIORITY MEANS LIKE WITHIN ONE TO TWO YEARS OR
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SIX MONTHS, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE HAD IT ORIGINALLY.IT WAS IN THE, IN THE, I THOUGHT WE DID WELL IN, IN THE, IN THE INTRODUCTORY PARAGRAPH FOR THE ACTION ITEMS, IT SAYS THE HIGHEST PRIORITY ITEMS BELOW ITEMS THAT SHOULD BE REVIEWED AND COMPLETED WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR OR TWO AFTER THE ADOPTION OF THE PLAN.
I THINK THIS SECTION, WHICH IS THE BOTTOM THIRD OF THAT PARAGRAPH, MAYBE NEEDS TO MOVE TO THE HEADING OF THE CHART.
YEAH, THAT MAKES A LITTLE BIT MORE SENSE.
I HATE TO MAKE MORE WORK FOR YOU.
NO, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT HORRIBLE.
I MEAN, I'LL CURSE YOU OUT TOMORROW, BUT NOT, THAT'S NOT, HERE'S OUR ADMINISTRATORS.
SHE CAN DO MY HEAD, WE CAN, WE CAN GET IT TO HER.
SO, UM, IF NOBODY HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, I GUESS WE CAN CONTINUE TO READ THIS THOUGH, RIGHT, JEFF? AND WELL, WE CAN'T, THERE'S NO MORE TIME SUGGESTIONS OR THERE'S NUMBER NOW WHAT WE CAN DO IS IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU GET INTO AND, YOU KNOW, OVER THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS YOU LOOK AT IT AND YOU GO, HEY JEFF, LET'S, LET'S LOOK BACK AT THIS.
WE CAN ALWAYS AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN NEXT YEAR.
AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A MINOR SECTION YOU WANT TO INCLUDE, IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT.
YOU CAN ALWAYS AMEND IT TO REFLECT THE CURRENT TIMES AND THE CURRENT THINKING.
SO, BUT AT THIS POINT WE'RE VOTING ON IT TO YES.
MOVE IT FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AS IS WITH NO CHANGES WITH WITH JURY'S CHANGE AND THAT'S IT.
WELL, JURY'S WHAT, WHAT AND THEN, AND THEN, AND THEN, UM, AND THEN WHAT YOU CHANGE IT SIX MONTHS FROM NOW OR IF WE FEEL THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN IN JANUARY AND IF WE HAVE A MINOR AMENDMENT, WE CAN, AND I AGREEING THAT WE'RE GONNA WORK ON THESE ACTION ITEMS AND EVERY CYCLE, WHETHER IT BE THREE MONTHS, SIX MONTHS, ONCE WE DECIDE ON AMENDING IT, WE PRESENT IT, WE AGREE, AND THEN WE PRESENT IT TO BACK TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO CHANGE THE DOCUMENTS.
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A YEAR OR TWO YEARS.
I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO THINK THAT, THAT THIS IS REALLY KIND OF A LIVING DOCUMENT.
UH, SOME THINGS MAYBE ARE EASIER TO DEAL WITH AND OTHER THINGS ARE MORE COMPLICATED AND WILL TAKE LONGER PERIODS OF TIME TO RESOLVE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THREE MONTHS FROM NOW WE RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SOME KIND OF A CHANGE AT SOME, SOME PART OF THE PLAN.
I DON'T THINK IT, YEAH, I THINK I AGREE.
I I THINK THAT'S, IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT.
THE RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT WOULD BASICALLY ALLOW JEFF TO GO FORWARD WITH SENDING OUT THE DOCUMENT.
LIKE HE WAS SAYING, HE GETS 45 DAYS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS TO APPROVE IT, THEN WE SEND IT OUT TO, UH, NEIGHBOR MUNICIPALITIES, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
AND THEY HAVE 45 DAYS TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK, FEEDBACK.
AND THEN THEY HAVE A HEARING BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
NOW IF THEY, IF THEY HAVE A MAJOR CHANGE, THEY WANT TO CHANGE THIS THING, DOES IT COME BACK TO US AGAIN? I WOULD THINK THAT IT WOULD.
WELL, I, I GUESS IF, IF THEY MAKE A, IF THEY, IF IF THE COUNTY SAYS YOU ARE JUST ABSOLUTELY WRONG HERE AND NEEDS TO SAY THIS.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THEY CAN'T TELL US TO CHANGE IT, BUT THEY CAN ADVISE US TO CHANGE IT.
AND SO IF I THINK IT'S SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH THEY DO BRING IT BACK, I WOULD PROBABLY BRING IT BACK TO YOU.
I I, AND YOU KNOW, WHEN IT GOES TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ALSO HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT AND THEY CAN, ARE THEY IN THAT SAME 45 DAY WINDOW? THEY'RE NOT.
THEY, THEY CANNOT GO TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BEFORE THAT 45 DAY WINDOW CLOSES.
ONCE THAT 45 DAY WINDOW CLOSES, THAT'S WHEN ALL OF THE COMMENTS HAVE TO BE BACK FROM THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, THE COUNTY, THE LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
NO, I, I WILL BE GOING TO THE BOARD ON THEIR OCTOBER MEETING AND SORT OF RE THEY ALREADY KNOW ABOUT THIS 'CAUSE I'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH 'EM AND SORT OF INTRODUCING IT AND SORT OF WALKING THEM THROUGH WHAT THE DOCUMENT IS REAL QUICK, LIKE WE'VE DONE PREVIOUSLY.
I, BUT THEN WE WILL HAVE THE OFFICIAL HEARING IN NOVEMBER.
AND, AND THEY CAN ALWAYS MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
MODIFY SOMETHING IF IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE THAT IT HAS TO COME BACK FOR ANOTHER HEARING AFTER THE PROVISION'S MADE.
BUT HOPEFULLY WITH JEFF'S STEWARDSHIP OF STEWARDSHIP DOCK THROUGH, NO ONE'S GONNA BE CAUGHT OFF GUARD.
NO, THERE'S NOT BE ANY SURPRISES.
SO, ALRIGHT, SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO, UH, TO APPROVE JEFF NEXT STEPS, WHICH IS SENDING OUT TO, UH, ALL THE, UH, PERTINENT PEOPLE.
AND, UH, 45 DAY STARTS, I GUESS TOMORROW, RIGHT? FRIDAY.
THE INFORMATION WILL GO OUT TOMORROW.
I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO, UH, TO DO THAT.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE FORWARD.
AS DISCUSSED WITH, UH, MOVING THIS FORWARD.
JERRY'S MADE A MOTION TO, UH, MOVE THIS TO, UH, THE NEXT STEP.
UH, THE SENDING OUT TO, UH, THE IMPORTANT PEOPLE.
I HAVE SECOND, I SECOND THAT NICOLE HAS SECOND.
IF WE DIDN'T WRITE ON SOME OF THESE COPIES, DO YOU WANT BACK? YOU CAN SEND THESE OUT? NO, BECAUSE I'M, WE WE'RE SENDING IT ALL ELECTRONICALLY.
I MEAN, WE'RE JUST LINKING TO THE WEBSITE.
UM, IF YOU WANT, IF YOU WANT ME TO RECYCLE IT, I WILL.
AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THE CHANGE THAT'S GONNA BE MADE.
WE HAVE RECYCLING IN THE BACK.
ONCE THIS IS APPROVED, ONCE THIS IS ADOPTED BY THE TOWNSHIP, I AM GONNA MAKE EVERYBODY,
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IF THEY WANT IT, A HARD COPY IN A NOTEBOOK.THAT'S WHY THERE'S THREE HOLES IN IT.
BECAUSE I HAD TO PRINT IT TO MAKE SURE THAT I DIDN'T HAVE COPY GOING THROUGH THE HOLES.
WHICH I DID AT ONE POINT IN TIME.
[DISCUSSION: FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]
TELL US ABOUT FUTURE? YES.OCTOBER 16TH WE WILL BE MEETING ABOUT PARKHOUSE.
UM, I'VE TALKED TO THE, THEIR A, THE APPLICANT AND THEY'VE AGREED TO THAT DATE.
AND THEN WE'LL ALSO HA, KEEP AND WHAT IS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? IS THAT THE PARKHOUSE TENTATIVE SKETCH? TENTATIVE, TENTATIVE, TENTATIVE SKETCH.
AND, UM, IF THAT MEETING RUNS OVER, IF THAT MEETING RUNS LONG, IF THERE'S MORE THINGS GOING ON, THEY'VE AGREED TO COME BACK TO THE SECOND MEETING IN NOVEMBER, WHICH WOULD BE THE 20TH.
UM, SO BECAUSE AMELIA STREET WANTS TO BE ON FOR NOVEMBER 6TH, SO OH, THERE'S THREE GOOD MEETINGS.
SO THAT, THOSE WILL BE INTERESTING MEETINGS.
THREE INTERESTING MEETINGS, YOU GUYS.
ANY QUESTIONS? THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL, RIGHT NOW IT'S SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER 20TH.
UM, WE'RE WORKING ON A, ON A LOCAL, A LOCAL CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
AND PART OF THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO HAVE A MEETING WITH THE STUDENTS DOING IT THERE.
STUDENTS ARE FROM PENN STATE AND WE'RE LOOKING AT HAVING SORT OF A RECAP MEETING.
SO WE MIGHT TALK TO THE EAC ABOUT PUSHING THAT MEETING TO DECEMBER.
JUST FLIPPING THAT, MOVING THAT BACK A MONTH.
BUT THAT'LL BE AN EMAIL THAT GOES OUT TOMORROW.
TOM'S PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE HERE THAT'S CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
SO IT MIGHT BE A JOINT MEETING BETWEEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE EAC AND THE PARK BOARD TO HAVE AN INTRODUCTION TO THIS LOCAL CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
DECEMBER, IN DECEMBER, SECOND MEETING, SECOND MEETING IT PROBABLY YOUR SECOND MEETING I THINK MAKES THE MOST SENSE.
BUT THAT, THAT, THAT IS GETTING TO LIKE THE 18TH OR 20TH.
SO IT'S GETTING A LITTLE LATE IN THE MONTH.
SO, BUT THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S, WE WILL WORK THAT OUT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS.
I KNOW THAT THE STUDENTS, WHAT DID WE, UH, WE GAVE THEM TO LOOK INTO TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF STUDENTS.
WE HAVE PENN STATE STUDENTS LOOKING AT A LOCAL CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, AND THAT'S A PROGRAM THEY HAVE, THEY WORK WITH MUNICIPALITIES AROUND THE STATE TO SORT OF COME UP WITH WHAT YOUR ENERGY DEMAND IS, WHAT YOUR TOWNSHIP, WHAT YOUR MUNICIPALITY'S ENERGY DEMAND IS, AND WHAT STEPS YOU CAN TAKE.
AND THEY HELP YOU COME UP WITH AN ACTION PLAN OF HOW YOU CAN FIX SOME THINGS, LOWER SOME THINGS.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE SORT OF, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT IT AND THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH INTO OUR ENVIRONMENTAL FOOTPRINT.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, THE YOUNG GUY, THE OTHER ONE WAS STUDENTS FROM SPRING FORD RIGHT.
WHO WERE DOING A MICROSOFT RESEARCH TOPIC AND WE, WE SENT THEM ON THEIR WAY ABOUT STORMWATER AND LOOKING AT THAT.
YES, THAT'S, AND I DID JUST GET AN EMAIL, THE BASINS AND ALL THAT, THAT FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT BASINS.
I GOT AN EMAIL FROM THEM TODAY THAT I HAVE TO ANSWER.
SO, BUT THAT'S THE FIRST I'VE HEARD FROM SINCE OUR LAST MEETING.
ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, SUPPOSING WE CAN BUY THIS SOMETIME EARLY NEXT YEAR, WHAT'S NEXT AFTER THAT? ARE WE GOING INTO THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND ALL THE OTHERS BASED ON THIS? I THINK THE NEXT LOGICAL STEP IS TO DO THE OFFICIAL MAP AND THE RIGHT OF WAY MAP.
I KNOW THAT A RIGHT OF WAY MAP IS A HIGH PRIORITY.
THE OFFICIAL MAP IS REALLY A GRAPHIC REPRESENTATION OF TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS, OPEN SPACE PRESERVATION, ROAD CHANGES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THE, OUR MAP RIGHT NOW IS FROM 2008, SO IT DESPERATELY NEEDS TO BE UPDATED.
UM, I PUT THAT ON HOLD BECAUSE WE'RE DOING THIS AND IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.
SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT WE'LL HIT FIRST FROM MY STANDPOINT.
AND THEN LOOK AT THIS LIST FOR THE HIGH AND AND MEDIUM PRIORITY ITEMS, WHATEVER, WHICHEVER ONE YOU WANT TO HIT FIRST.
WE WILL JUMP AT, JUMP RIGHT IN, IN JANUARY.
AND A LOT OF IT DOES DEPEND ON HOW MUCH LAND DEVELOPMENT WE HAVE.
MY GOAL IS TO ALWAYS KEEP APPLICATIONS TO THE BEGINNING OF THE MONTH AND WORK SESSIONS TO THE SECOND MEETING OF THE MONTH.
SOME OF THE, UH, LAND DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM FOR A WHILE.
ARE THEY, HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING LIKE, UM, LEWIS AND UH, VAUGHN ROAD? THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN PROCESS.
THEY, UM, I THINK THEY'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO GETTING RECORDED, SO THEY'LL PROBABLY GET THAT BALL ROLLING FAIRLY SOON.
I THINK IT'S JUST DOCUMENTS THAT THEY'RE WORKING OUT, YOU KNOW, LEGAL DOCUMENTS, STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, SAME THING WITH, WELL, UM, HOPWOOD AND YERKEY STATION, THEIR FINAL PLANS ARE OUT THERE.
THEY NEED SOME WORK, BUT THEY'RE WORKING ON THEM.
SO WE'VE HAD A FEW PLANS THAT WE'VE REVIEWED.
UM, THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, BUT THEY'RE STILL, STILL MOVING FORWARD WITH 'EM.
WHAT ABOUT, UM, YOU HEARD MORE FROM THE UM, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING FEE? NO OTHER, NOTHING OTHER THAN MS. MCPHERON WHO WAS THE MAIN PERSON SPEAKING THAT NIGHT.
SHE'S LEFT THE COMPANY AND SOMEONE ELSE HAS TAKEN OVER AND SHE INTRODUCED HERSELF TO ME.
IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHY SHE, SHE MOVED ON BUT ANOTHER, ANOTHER PERSON, KAYLA, I THINK HER NAME IS, OR KYLA, I COULDN'T BE TRANSPOSING THAT SHE'S TAKING OVER AND SHE SAID THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT IT INTERNALLY BASED ON THE COMMENTS AND SOME OTHER THINGS AND SHE'D BE BACK TO ME WHEN SHE COULD BE.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT WILL BE.
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OKAY.DRIVE JUST HIT THE MARK YESTERDAY.
FOR SALES OR RENT FOR SALE OR FOR SALE? SALE, YEAH.
I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE REAL ESTATE BROKER.
UM, I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, UM, ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO THERE.
ARE THEY EMPTY NOW? I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE EMPTY OR NOT.
IT'S LIKE REAL LOW PERCENTAGE.
I I FOR PER, YEAH, FOR PER PROCUREMENT VALLEY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
I DID, I DID A TALK FOR THE TOWNSHIP AND I WAS TALKING ABOUT THOSE BUILDINGS AND HOW WE NEEDED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN TO THEM.
AND ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY RENTED THERE CAME UP TO ME GOES, WELL I'M IN THAT BUILDING, DO I HAVE TO BE WORRIED NOW?
NOW JUST GET ON BEFORE THEY KNOCK IT DOWN.
15.2% LEASED TO THREE TENANTS, ALL OF WHICH ARE LOCATED AT 400.
WE STAGGERED LEASE EXPIRATIONS OF 25, 27 AND 3 1 31.
NOW THAT'S ALL THAT'S, THERE HASN'T BEEN ANYTHING NEW OR WILDLY CHANGING OUT THERE.
WELL, YOU SEEM TO HAVE CONTROL A LITTLE BIT FOR YOU JEFF.
UM, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN AND MOVE TO THE, UH, 16TH.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.