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[CALL TO ORDER / AGENDA APPROVAL]
CALL THE ORDER THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION FOR UPPER PROVINCE TOWNSHIP MEETING FOR SEPTEMBER 18TH, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.UM, SO WE'LL CALL THE ORDER AND EVERYBODY CAN LOOK AT THE AGENDA WE HAVE THIS EVENING.
UH, AND, UH, IF EVERYBODY, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
OH, BY THE WAY, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, LET'S WELCOME MR. PETER, JOE PETER'S NOW PART OF THE CLINIC.
NOW SITTING UP HERE, DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.
IT'S GONNA BE GREAT HAVING YOU WITH US.
UM, SO AGAIN, BACK TO, UH, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
AYE JERRY, AND THEN ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
AND THEN, UH, WE'LL MOVE DOWN TO, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT AND I PROBABLY DON'T HAVE ANY RIGHT.
'CAUSE YOU GUYS ARE NOT PUBLIC.
BILL, DO YOU HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? ALRIGHT.
[APPLICATIONS TO BE HEARD ON SEPTEMBER 18, 2024]
BE HEARD, UM, UH, FOR TONIGHT IS, UH, MENNONITE ROAD NINE GLOCK SUBDIVISION.SO IF YOU COME UP, IDENTIFY YOURSELF IN COMPANY AND UH, YOU CAN GO.
I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH THE FIRM OF HUGHES RE ROSKI.
UM, AS YOU MAY RECALL, MY PARTNER, ED HUGHES WAS HERE IN JULY FOR THE STATE.
AND, UH, AT THAT TIME WE HAD, JUST TO REMIND YOU, TO REMIND YOU, WE PROPOSED BASICALLY A NINE LOT SUBDIVISION WITH A ROAD THAT WOULD GO FROM MENNONITE DOWN THE TRACK.
AND UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING WE GET THE REVIEW LETTERS AND THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT ENTRANCEWAY ON THE TRACK ROAD.
WE RECONSIDERED THE PROJECT AND UM, ULTIMATELY WE CAME BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND WE SHOWED 'EM OF COURSE, THIS PLAN.
AND THEN WE OF COURSE SHOWED THEM THE OTHER PLAN, WHICH IS UP ON THE BOARD TONIGHT, WHICH IS STILL AN
AND IT SEEMED TO US THAT THE CUL-DE-SAC SEEMED TO, UM, SOLVE A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED, ESPECIALLY WITH ACCESSWAY ON THE TRAP ROAD.
IT DOESN'T BECOME A THROUGH ROAD.
IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, IT JUST, IT MAKES US A LOT MORE SENSE AND TO US, UM, IT MAKES SENSE TO BE A BETTER PROJECT AS WELL.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S SOME MOUNT ON SUBDIVISION ACCESS OFF MENNONITE ROAD.
UM, ALL THE LOTS OF CO COMPLIANT.
AS FAR AS ZONING GOES, UH, WE PROBABLY NEED A WAIVER FOR THE LENGTH OF THE ROAD ITSELF OR THE CUL-DE-SAC I SHOULD SAY.
UH, AND WITH THAT I'M GONNA TURN IT ON TO JASON SCHMIDT.
YOU CAN PROBABLY DO MORE OF A BETTER EXPLANATION THAN I CAN.
HE'S OUR ENGINEER FROM HAL, UH, JASON SCHMIDT WITH DO HOW, UM, CHRIS COULDN'T BE HERE, SO I'M SUBBING IN FOR HIM.
I WAS THE MAIN DESIGNER ON THIS.
I DID THE CHANGES INVOLVED HERE.
UM, CHANGING THE THROUGH ROAD TO THE CUL-DE-SAC AND THEN UPDATING EVERYTHING THROUGH THE CELL THOUGH, AND THE ZONING.
UM, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? THE SAME THING.
THE SEWARD RUN THROUGH AND DOWN ON THE TRAP ROADS.
THAT PART WOULD REMAIN THE SAME.
I POINT OUT FOR LOT SEVEN WE WOULD BE THE EQUITABLE OWNER.
WE ARE NOW THE EQUITABLE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY.
THE REMAINING LOTS PRETTY MUCH WE ARE, ARE THE, UH, ACTUAL OWNERS IN FEE.
UM, WE WOULD PROPOSE A, AN EMERGENCY ACCESS WAY ON LOT SEVEN TO GIVE, TO GO OUT TO TRAP ROAD IN CASE, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE TRUCKS NEED TO GET THERE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THERE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, TWO LOTS WOULD BE FLAG LOTS.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'D PROBABLY NEED, UH, SOME TYPE OF RELIEF FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WOULD BE IS WE HAVE, WE'D HAVE TWO INTERIOR LOTS THAT WE'D HAVE TO GET IN FRONT OF THE BOARD OVER.
AND, UM, LOT SEVEN IS OF OPPOSED, THE FRONTAGE WOULD BE FRONTING TOWARDS THIS WAY AND TOWARDS CUL-DE-SAC AND NOT TOWARDS TRAP.
SO WE PROBABLY NEED SOME RELIEF WITH THAT AS WELL.
UH, I BELIEVE THOSE LAST TWO WOULD BE CONDITIONAL USES.
AND THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE A WAIVER.
AS FAR AS THE LENGTH OF THE CUL-DE-SAC ITSELF.
UH, THE STORM WATER WOULD BASICALLY BE IN THE SAME POSITION.
UM, SO IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONLY A SKETCH PLAN, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD'VE TO DO FULL LAND DEVELOPMENT.
THERE'S PROBABLY OTHER THINGS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT COME UP.
SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR APPROVAL TONIGHT FOR THE SKETCH PLAN ITSELF, UH, FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR SOME TYPE OF RECOMMENDATION.
SO WE CAN GO BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
SO IS THAT A SHARED DRIVEWAY THEN FOR THE TWO HOMES THAT ARE HEADED OUT TOWARDS? UH, YES.
UH, QUESTION, I MEAN, UH, HOW DOES, HOW DO THINGS LIKE SNOW REMOVAL WORK WITH SHARED DRIVEWAY LIKE THAT? LIKE HOW DOES RESPONSIBILITY FOR, FOR WE GET DONE? NO, A GOOD QUESTION.
SO NORMALLY WHAT YOU DO IS THIS WILL BE CONTROLLED BY AN HOA AND HOA WOULD PROBABLY YOU GONNA DO FOR THE STORM ORDER AND
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PROBABLY FOR THE SEWER SYSTEM AS WELL.NOT TOTALLY SURE ABOUT THE SEWER SYSTEM, IT HASN'T BEEN DESIGNED, BUT THERE'LL PROBABLY BE SOME TYPE OF HOA FOR NO OTHER REASON OTHER THAN UM, THE, THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
SO WITH THAT, WE'D PROBABLY BUILD IN SOME TYPE OF LANGUAGE THAT CONTROLS WHO WOULD PAY THAT, WHO COSTS THAT, UH, AND, AND HOW THOSE COSTS AND MAINTENANCES WOULD BE SHARED.
WHAT WOULD THE UM, WHAT'S THE, UM, SIZE OF THE, UH, LOTS IN THE HOUSES.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S REQUIRED.
UM, THE HOUSES ARE JUST KIND OF CONCEPTUALLY PUT THERE NOW, BUT I'M THINKING WE'RE THINKING THEY'RE GONNA BE IN THE 3000 TO 3,500 FOOT RANGE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
HE'S A PRINCIPAL OF THE APPLICANT.
SO TO STAY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE AREA OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE DEMAND, UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES, FOUR BEDROOMS, THREE AND A HALF BATHS, ABOUT 3,200 SQUARE FEET, UM, WHICH IS CONGRUENT WITH ALL THE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN THAT AREA.
AND WHAT'S THE POTENTIAL SELLING PRICE? UM, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE GOING FOR THE MID 900,000 RANGE.
OR IS THAT NOT WELL, I WOULD SAY THAT'S THE AVERAGE.
AND I THINK BEING IN A CUL-DE-SAC GIVES A LITTLE BIT MORE OPTIONS TO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE REALLY WANT TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE LUXURIOUS OR A LITTLE MORE PRIVATE THAN JUST BEING A, A PUBLIC ROAD GOING THROUGH.
SO NINE 50 WOULD BE A STARTING AROUND THERE? PROBABLY.
SO THE, THE ONES MATT DONNELLY, I'M HIS, UH, HIS PARTNER, THE CLOSEST, UH, COMPARABLE OUT.
WE, THE ONES AT BECHTEL FARMS AND THEY ALL SOLD IN THAT MILLION DOLLAR PLUS RANGE.
SO NINE 50 WE FEEL IS A VERY CONSERVATIVE OKAY.
UM, SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR US TONIGHT, JOE, JUST TO SAY, UH, WE'RE, THIS IS GOOD.
YEAH, WELL, SO THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO FORWARD IT TO THE SUPERVISORS, I BELIEVE WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF TE SKETCH.
THE, THE MAIN PROB THE MAIN ISSUE HAD BEEN THE THROUGH ROOM.
I, I DON'T, I THINK ALL, ANY OTHER PROBLEMS WERE TINY BY COMPARISON.
SO THAT WAS A GOOD, GOOD UPGRADE.
AND I THINK YOU'RE OTHERWISE, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS, ANYBODY HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS? NO.
HOW ABOUT YOU GUYS? JEN OR, OR ANTHONY? YEAH, JUST THE, UM, SANITARY SEWER CONNECTION DOWN THAT SIDE.
YOU'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO WATCH THE ROUTE OF THAT 'CAUSE OF THE COVER AND THE EXISTING, UM, MAIN THAT'S OUT ON ONE 13 AND YOU'VE GOT WETLANDS IN THAT LOWER CORNER THERE.
AND WE JUST, SO JUST TO CAUTION, I DON'T THINK THERE'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE PER SE.
UM, IT JUST HASN'T BEEN DESIGNED YET.
YEAH, I I THINK IT'S GONNA BE CLOSED.
YOU'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO FINAGLE IT THROUGH THERE, BUT I THINK YOU CAN DO IT.
WELL, STORM WATER, THEY HAVEN'T DESIGNED ANYTHING WITH THE BASINS AT THE LOW END OF THE SITE WHERE IT SHOULD BE.
SO, UM, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO CAPTURE, UM, AND IT DRAINS, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER IT'S COMING INTO THE SITE.
UM, SO ONCE THEY GET IT INTO THEIR ROADWAY SYSTEM, YOU TALKED ABOUT AN HOA, NOW THAT IT'S NOT ON THROUGH ROAD, I GUESS THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR IT NOT BEING ACCEPTED FOR DEDICATION.
WE'D HAVE TO TALK TO PUBLIC WORKS.
IF, IF IT IS ACCEPTED FOR DEDICATION, WE'LL NEED SOMEWHERE TO PUSH THE SNOW TO AN EASEMENT.
THERE'S NO EASEMENT IN THE PRELIMINARY PLAN.
BUT WE, WE CAN CONNECT YOU WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND SEE IF THEY WANT TO TAKE IT OR NOT.
YEAH, WE'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT EARLY ON BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF A BIG, BIG DECISION.
AND I, I'M JUST ASSUMING THAT ALL OF THE LETTERS THAT, UH, JEN AND ANTHONY HAVE ALREADY SUBMITTED THAT YOU GUYS ARE ACKNOWLEDGING TO COMPLY WITH.
YEAH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY, THIS IS TED, I UNDERSTAND, BUT YOU UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES THEY'VE RAISED AND YEAH.
AND WE THINK WE CAN SOLVE 'EM ALL.
SO I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH.
UH, EVERYTHING THAT I READ, I, I, I JUST GOT THESE TODAY, BUT I'VE ALREADY MADE NOTES ON EVERYTHING AND SOME OF THEM ARE AS SIMPLE AS ADDING SIGN FOR THE, UH, EMERGENCY ACCESS AND, AND THAT'LL ALL BE ADDRESSED.
AND SOME OF THEM GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER INTO PRELIMINARY STUFF THAT WILL ALL BE ADDRESSED.
ANTHONY, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT? UH, THE, THE ONLY THING I, YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED AS YOU MOVE FORWARD, YOU KNOW, IS TRY TO, YOU KNOW, WORD CAUTION TO MAKE SURE YOU EVALUATE TRUCK RUNS EARLY.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S REQUIREMENTS FOR RATE AI AND THINGS THROUGH THE SAL, BUT A LOT OF TIMES THOSE GET MODIFIED WHEN YOU START RUNNING TRUCKS IN AND OUT.
UM, SO JUST, JUST MAKE SURE YOU HIT THAT EARLY.
UM, 'CAUSE THAT HAS IMPACTS ON, YOU KNOW, GEOMETRY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I KNOW BECAUSE THIS WAS IN THE SKETCH PHASE, I HAVE NOT RUN THE TRUCK ON THIS, BUT AS SOON AS, UH, GET BACK, I'LL BRING IT UP TO CHRIS AND HE'LL JUST TELL ME WHAT TRUCK THAT WE SHOULD RUN.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU NEED TO REACH OUT TO THE FIRE MARSHAL YEAH.
THE TRUCK AND THEN THE RIGHT ONE.
YEAH, SOUNDS PRETTY CUT AND DRY AT THIS POINT.
AND UH, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO, UM, SEND TO THE SUPERVISORS WITH OUR APPROVAL OR OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.
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FOR, UH, SKETCH PLAN.WE, WE'LL PROBABLY SEE YOU IN ANOTHER FOUR MONTHS FROM NOW.
THE NEXT TOPIC ON OUR AGENDA, WE'RE LOSING OUR CRACK
OH NO, I GOT LOT OF IS UP THERE.
YOU WANNA MOVE TO THE FRONT A LITTLE BIT HERE? FILL, FILL IN THE FRONT BELT.
I'M, I'M SHOCKED WE EVEN LOST BILL FEL
THAT BILL FEL, HE USUALLY HAS A QUESTION OR COMMENT ABOUT SOMETHING WE'RE DOING.
[GENERAL DISCUSSION ITEMS]
TALK ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.JEFF HAS PROVIDED IT IN FRONT OF US.
ONE IS THE LATEST DRAFT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE FORMATTING IS PROBABLY 90% THERE.
THERE'S SOME MAPS AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT NEED TO GO IN THERE.
UM, I DID HAVE MY ASSISTANT GO THROUGH AND BLEED ALL OVER IT AND FIX MY GRAMMAR AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOMEONE ELSE LOOK AT IT PROBABLY TOMORROW AND GO THROUGH IT AGAIN.
UM, WHAT WE NEED TO DO NEXT IS FILL IN SOME OF ANTHONY'S STUFF.
HE'S GOT SOME CORRECTIONS HE'S GOTTA MAKE WITH HIS AND HE'S GOTTA GIVE THAT WORD DOCUMENT.
I THINK JEN'S IS, IS MOSTLY THERE.
I INCORPORATED SOME OF THE NEW LANGUAGE YOU SENT ME.
SO I I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE CLOSE ON THAT.
UM, AND THEN WE JUST NEED TO TAKE THIS BIG SHEET AND ALL COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE.
UM, BACK TO MY QUESTION EARLIER.
I THINK YOU ANSWERED THANK YOU.
I HOPE EVERYBODY SEEMED LIKE NO, I THINK YOU, IT IS ONLY YOU AND I ON THE EMAIL.
SO WHY DON'T YOU EXPLAIN YOURSELF.
WELL, I'M NOT SURE I CAN REMEMBER, BUT, UM, YOU WANT ME TO GIVE IT A SHOT? YEAH, PLEASE GO.
I THINK THAT THE QUESTION WAS ONCE WE ADOPT THE PLAN, HOW DO WE TRACK AND HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE'RE FOLLOWING THROUGH ON WHAT THE ACTION ITEMS ARE, RIGHT? THAT YES.
AND, AND, AND, AND THAT'S WHY ANTHONY, CAN WE MAKE CHANGES? CAN IT BE AMENDED? YES.
AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE SAY, YEAH, HEY, WE MADE A MISTAKE HERE OR WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, NOT MISTAKE, BUT MAYBE WE NEED TO UPDATE THIS OR, OR DOWNGRADE OR WHATEVER.
WELL UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS JUST A POLICY DOCUMENT THAT, THAT IT'S REALLY JUST SORT OF OUR THOUGHTS AT THE TIME AS WE GET INTO THE NEXT LEVEL OF PLANNING ON THIS.
WHETHER IT'S WRITING A ZONING ORDINANCE OR LIKE, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA DO IS AMEND THE OFFICIAL MAP.
AND I KNOW NONE OF YOU ARE REALLY FAMILIAR WITH THE OFFICIAL MAP 'CAUSE IT'S, WE HAVEN'T USED IN A LONG TIME, BUT IT'S A MAP THAT SHOWS THE TOWNSHIP AND SHOWS THE AREAS THAT WE WANT TO PRESERVE, SHOWS ROADWAYS THAT WE WANT TO CHANGE OR REALIGN.
IT BECOMES THE OFFICIAL DOCUMENT OF THE, OF THE MAP FOR DEVELOPERS AND FOR RESIDENTS TO SEE HOW WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
SORT OF THE MAP VERSION OF EVERYTHING IN THIS PLAN.
SO WHEN WE'RE IN, WHEN WE'RE WORKING ON THAT MAP, THERE WILL BE DISCUSSION BETWEEN ME, THE MAP MAKER AND YOU SAYING, WELL, I DON'T SEE THE NEED TO PUT THIS ON THE MAP, OR I DON'T SEE THE NEED TO, TO HIGHLIGHT THIS ROAD OR CHANGE THIS ROAD OR, UH, PUT THE OPEN SPACE IN THIS AREA AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IT BECOMES MORE OF A, A DOCUMENT THAT DEFINES OUR POLICY A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
AND ALSO WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS I WILL, EVERY YEAR I WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH A CHART OF THESE ACTION ITEMS AND SAY, HERE'S THE ONES WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED.
HERE'S THE ONES WE STILL HAVE LEFT TO DO.
AND THEN YOU WILL SAY, AS A PLANNING COMMISSION, WELL WE REALLY, JEFF, WE REALLY WANT YOU TO WORK ON, LET'S JUST SAY COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS THIS YEAR.
I WILL GO THROUGH AND I WILL WORK UP LIKE A MEMO DESCRIBING WHAT I WANT TO DO WITH THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.
BRING THAT TO YOU AND THEN I WILL WORK UP, IF YOU LIKE THAT AND YOU, YOU'RE OKAY WITH WHERE I'M GOING WITH IT, THEN WE WILL WORK ON THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE AND WE WILL WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS OF ADOPTING AN ORDINANCE AND CHANGING THE ORDINANCE FOR YOU TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR THEM TO DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO ADOPT IT OR NOT.
JEFF, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ACTION ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE LAST PAGE OF THE PLAN AND THIS TABLE THAT YOU'VE ALSO PROVIDED TO US? THEY'RE NOT THE SAME.
THE, THE TABLE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE THOROUGH.
UM, I, THIS WAS JUST SORT OF A PLACEHOLDER THAT WAS PUTTING THINGS IN, IN THE DOCUMENT FOR NOW.
THIS ALSO INCLUDES SOME THINGS FROM ANTHONY'S WORK AND I HAVE TO PUT SOME OTHER THINGS FROM JEN'S WORK IN THERE AS WELL.
SO WILL, SO WILL THIS LARGER LIST OF ACTION ITEMS BE YES, IT WILL REPLACE WHAT'S HERE? REPLACE WHAT'S HERE? YES.
AND I RAISED THIS IN A DIFFERENT CAPACITY, BUT YOU KNOW, DO WE ASSIGN RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHO HAS TO TACKLE THESE ACTION ITEMS? YES.
AND WHEN DO WE DO THAT? PROBABLY AT THE OCTOBER 2ND MEETING.
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MY GOAL IS IF, IF WE, IF WE HAVE THE PRIORITIES OUTLINED, I WILL MAKE A CHART IN THE DOCUMENT THAT SAYS ACTION, UH, YOU KNOW, THE ZONING ORDINANCE, EVALUATION INTERCHANGE, OFFICE DISTRICTS, HIGH PRIORITY ASSIGNMENT PLANNING AND ZONING DIRECTOR.AND SO WE WILL ASSIGN THOSE TASKS IF IT'S SOMETHING LIKE, UM, ROUTE 29 AND 4 22 AREA INTERCHANGE EVALUATION STUDY THAT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC ENGINEERING STAFF, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WELL, AND I WILL PUT DOWN MY INITIAL THOUGHTS ON WHERE I THINK IT SHOULD GO.
AND THEN AS WHEN WE DO OCTOBER 2ND AND WE MAKE THE FINAL ADOPTION, IF THERE'S THINGS YOU WANT TO CHANGE, YOU SAY, NO, JEFF, I REALLY, I DON'T TRUST ANTHONY, I WANT YOU TO DO THE WORK.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WE CAN MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
AND I ASSUME THAT WHAT HAPPENS ONCE THESE ACTION ITEMS ARE TACKLED, ANY ONE OF THEM AT ANY POINT IN TIME, WE AS A COMMISSION CAN SAY, YES, WE AGREE THAT THIS CHANGE NEEDS TO BE MADE.
AND WE THEN RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT THEY UPDATE, APPROVE THE UPDATE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AT ANY POINT IN TIME.
IT IT, IT'S NOT IN THEORY IT'S NOT NECESSARILY YES.
AND THAT'S HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK.
IF, IF, LET'S SAY THE PLANNING COMMISSION COMES UP AND SAYS, JEFF, WE WANT YOU TO LOOK AT THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.
AND I GO THROUGH AND I PROVIDE A MEMO WITH WHAT I THINK NEEDS TO CHANGE AND WHAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE UPDATED.
AND YOU GO, WELL JEFF, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT WRONG HERE, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A PRIORITY ANYMORE.
LET'S PUT THAT TO THE SIDE AND I WANT YOU TO DO THIS.
I WANT YOU TO WORK ON THIS NOW.
THAT'S YOUR DIRECTION TO ME AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHO IS IN CHARGE OF AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND AMENDING THE SUBDIVISION LAND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
THAT'S YOUR PART OF YOUR PURVIEW AS PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS.
AND I AM YOUR TOOL TO DO THAT.
I'M GENERALLY A TOOL, BUT, UM, SORRY, I HAD TO SAY YOU WERE ALL THINKING, WE WERE ALL THINKING.
SO YOU AND YOU ASSIGN THAT WORK.
SO IF IT'S IF AND IF IT'S SOMETHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU SAY, WELL JEFF, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU DO, BUT WE'D REALLY HAVE SOME LIKE TO SEE SOMEONE ELSE WRITE THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS FOR US.
CAN YOU PLEASE ASK THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IF THEY CAN, IF WE CAN HIRE SOMEONE OUTSIDE TO DO THAT, THAT'S WITHIN YOUR RIGHTS AND YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND WE WOULD PREPARE THE MEMO AS THE PLAN DIRECTOR AND I WOULD PRESENT TO THE BOARD SUPERVISORS AND THEY WOULD DETERMINE IF THEY'RE WILLING TO SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY.
THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.
I MEAN YOU, I WOULD BE PUTTING MY NAME DOWN PROBABLY FOR A LOT OF THIS AND ANTHONY WOULD PUTTING HIS FIRM'S NAME DOWN FOR A LOT OF THIS AS THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES.
BUT IF YOU SEE THAT YOU WANTED TO GO TO SOMEBODY ELSE THAT'S WITHIN YOUR, YOUR RIGHTS AS AS PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS.
WELL, I I ASSUME THAT WE'RE GONNA TACKLE THE HIGH PRIORITIES FIRST.
AND THEN OBED AND THEN THE LOWS.
IF WE COULD CHANGE THAT ANY TIME BASED ON, AND YES, YOU CAN EVEN CHANGE WHATEVER SITUATION PRESENTS ITSELF.
YOU COULD EVEN CHANGE, LIKE IF, LET'S SAY LIKE LOOKING AT IT, INTERCHANGE OFFICE DISTRICTS CAME IN WITH TWO LOWS.
TWO MEDIUMS. AND THEN MR. PETER'S HAVING THAT WAS THE, SORRY, THE OTHER SPECIALTY DISTRICTS.
IT WAS TWO LOWS, TWO MEDIUMS. AND MR. PETERS HAD A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THAT ACTUALLY MEANT.
AND IT ACTUALLY SORT OF MEANS YOUR KEY'S MIXED USE INSTITUTIONAL, SOME OF THE DISTRICTS THAT ARE SORT OF ONE OFF DISTRICTS IS HOW I MEANT THAT.
SO IF IT'S A MEDIUM, BUT THEN SUDDENLY YOU START THINKING, WELL THERE'S SOME CHANGES THAT WE WANNA MAKE TO INSTITUTIONAL BECAUSE WE'RE AFRAID OF SOMETHING LIKE PARKHOUSE COMING BACK AND, AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT CHANGE GETS DONE RIGHT AWAY.
MAYBE THAT BECOMES, I'D RATHER SEE THAT AS A HIGH PRIORITY EVEN THOUGH WE LISTED AS AS MEDIUM, WE WANT YOU TO MOVE IT UP, JACK.
I MEAN THAT'S ALWAYS WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW.
AND, AND YOU'RE GONNA HELP US UNDERSTAND WHERE WE HAVE OPTIONS TO, TO YOUR POINT SAYING, HEY, I'LL DO THIS, BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT ME TO, YOU'RE GONNA HELP US UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT FALLS.
SO ONCE WE HAVE THE HIGH PRIORITY, THE MEETING PRIORITY AND LOW PRIORITY, WE'LL SORT OF LOOK AT THE HIGH PRIORITY AND I'LL SAY, WHICH DO YOU WANT? WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO GO ON FIRST? I MEAN, IF, IF THERE'S A HIGH PRIORITY OF, YOU KNOW, OPEN SPACE PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT AND, AND YOU SAY YES, I, I REALLY WANNA SEE THAT, THAT MOVE FORWARD.
THAT'S, IF THAT'S THE FIRST THING, THEN ALL COURT SORT OF COME UP WITH A MEMO TO SORT OF OUTLINE WHAT THE ISSUES ARE.
I'M NOT GONNA SPEND MONTHS WRITING A, AN ORDINANCE AND WRITING THE PROGRAM.
I'M GONNA SORT OF TAKE YOU STEP BY STEP THROUGH IT SO THAT YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH EACH STEP AS IT MOVES ALONG.
MUCH LIKE WE'VE DONE WITH A COMP PLAN WHERE, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE MONTH WE TALK ABOUT DEMOGRAPHICS, THE NEXT MONTH IS HOUSING AND, AND TRY TO GET YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS SO YOU UNDERSTAND IT AND ARE COMFORTABLE WITH WHERE WE GO WITH IT.
AND I, AND THAT GIVES ME DIRECTION SO I DON'T GO IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
SO AT SOME POINT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME TO QUOTE A CONSENSUS YES.
RANKING AS TO WHAT ARE THE HIGH MEDIUMS AND LOWS.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING NEXT.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THESE ONE BY ONE.
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I DID.SO, SO WE'RE GONNA START WITH, UH, THE ZONING ORDINANCE, EVALUATION AND THEN COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.
WELL, I, I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT OKAY.
THE, THE ACTUAL COMP PLAN FIRST.
I MEAN, YOU HAD THOSE QUESTIONS.
IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LANGUAGE IN THERE OR ANYTHING ELSE IN THERE, JEFF.
I MEAN, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB.
AND IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A 200 PAGE BOOKLET THAT NOBODY READS ANYHOW.
I, I'VE BEEN FRUSTRATED GETTING ANTHONY.
'CAUSE EVERY TIME WE DO, EVERY TIME WE TALK ABOUT IT, I'M LIKE, KEEP MIDDLE, KEEP IT SMALL.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT SOMETHING THAT'S SUGGEST IN OUR SHELF.
I, YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB.
IT'S GONNA GET THE GUY FROM EVERYTHING ELSE AND IT'S GONNA GET THICKER.
'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE APPENDICES AND YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOTTA PUT MEETING MINUTES AND SOME OTHER FLUFFY STUFF IN THERE THAT I DON'T REALLY AGREE WITH.
BUT TO MEET THE SPIRIT OF THE ORDINANCE, YOU KIND OF HAVE TO PUT THAT IN THERE.
SO I'M NOT SURE THAT WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA REVIEW IT, READ IT, AND THEN MAYBE WE, WE CAN AGAIN DO THE EMAIL THING IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
SO SEE WHAT THE QUESTIONS ARE BY, BY OUR NEXT MEETING WE'RE REALLY GONNA HAVE TO DO, THERE CAN'T BE MANY CHANGES.
'CAUSE I'LL ONLY HAVE OCTOBER 3RD TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
I DON'T, I'M NOT ANTICIPATING WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANY CHANGES.
I, I DON'T THINK WE WILL EITHER.
BUT I MEAN, I THINK THE WORK, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH.
I, MYSELF PERSONALLY, I'M ALWAYS SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY.
I HAVE ENOUGH GOOD FEELING TO UNDERSTAND HOW YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, TO QUESTION YOUR, YOUR EXPERTISE.
I I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL DO THE, UH, LET'S DO THE ACTION.
RIGHT? SO YOU GOT COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, RIGHT? AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE, UH, SOME OF EVERYTHING THREE LOWS A HIGH AND A MEDIUM BASIS.
AND BOB HAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, CLASSIFICATIONS AND THAT'S WHAT WE TALK ABOUT IN THE, IN THE DOCUMENT SAYING OUR COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS ARE REALLY ALL OVER THE PLACE RIGHT NOW.
AND NC AND VC ARE, ARE SORT OF SIMILAR.
SO TAKE A LOOK AT THE, AT ALL OF THE ORDINANCES TOGETHER AND SEE HOW WE WANT TO APPROACH THEM FROM ALL OF THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.
COULD I MAKE A SUGGESTION? SURE.
RATHER THAN JUST START, YOU KNOW, FROM THE TOP TO THE BOTTOM, CAN WE MAYBE START TO LOOK AT THOSE THAT APPEAR TO BE THE HIGHEST FIRST? SURE.
AND DECIDE WHETHER THAT'S REALLY, THOSE ARE REALLY HIGH.
'CAUSE I'M AFRAID WHERE WE'RE GOING HERE IS WE MAY DECIDE AT FIRST PASS THAT COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, UH, MAYBE LOOKS LIKE IT'S PROBABLY LOW AND THE NEXT ONE PROBABLY LOOKS LIKE IT'S, UH, MAYBE MEDIUM.
I MEAN, WE COULD GO DO THAT, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, UH, WELL LET, LET ME ASK YOU THIS, JEFF, TO ADD ON TO WHAT MR. PUGET IS SAYING.
YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE'S YOUR, WHERE'S YOUR CUTOFF? I SEE.
YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU'VE ALREADY MADE A CONSENSUS ON THE ONES THAT HAVE FOUR.
HOW ABOUT THREE? WELL THAT WAS BEFORE I ADDED YOURS.
AND MR. PETERS BEFORE I ADDED YOURS, THEY WERE ALL M SO I WAS SAYING THAT WAS A CONSENSUS.
I SAY LET'S SAY WE HAD THE ONE RIGHT BELOW THE SECOND M AND UNDER CONSENSUS YOU HAVE TWO HIGH, TWO LOWS AND THREE MEETINGS.
CAN WE AGREE THAT THAT'S A MEDIUM LIFT? I I THINK THAT'S FINE.
LIKE THE MAJORITY RULES WE COULD, WE COULD, WE COULD DO THAT.
SO WE COULD MOVE SOME OF THESE ALONG QUICKER POINT I LOOK AT, WE CAN GET RID OF THOSE AS WE REALLY AGREE WITH THOSE.
AND THOSE ARE KIND OF CONTROVERSIAL THEN WE, WE CAN, HERE, LET ME JUST, I'LL, I'LL JUMP DOWN THE LIST REAL QUICK.
IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, REVIEW PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, THAT'S A LOW PRIORITY BECAUSE THERE'S THREE LOWS AND TWO MEDIUMS. SO IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S EVEN A HIGH STICKING OUT.
SO I WOULD CALL THAT A LOW PRIORITY.
REVIEW PROPERTY, PROPERTY, MAINTENANCE CODE.
OAKS INTERCHANGE, ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT STUDY.
I MEAN, BECAUSE IT IS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S ONE OF THE FIRST MEDIUMS THAT WE GO TO WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT.
WE KIND OF LOOK AT IT FROM THAT DIRECTION.
YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF A, IF YOU, IF WE COULD DO THAT.
JEN, SAME THING WITH THE NEXT ONE.
THE, THE RIDGEBACK ZONING EVALUATION.
WELL THE NEXT ONE IS HIGH SECOND AVENUE.
MEDIUM PLUS MEDIUM PLUS MEDIUM PLUS.
EVEN THOUGH I WILL TELL YOU ON THAT THE BOARD DID VOTE TO, AND WE HAVE NOBODY HERE NOW, UM, THE, UH,
THE TOWNSHIP HAS PUT IN $250,000 FOR OUR PORTION OF IT AND HE'S ACCEPTED THE OFFER.
AND THAT'S GONNA CLOSE IN 2025 SOMETIME.
SO SOMETIMES THESE THINGS MOVE FORWARD
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BEFORE THEY, SO WHEN THE COUNTY, WHEN THE COUNTY DOES THE MOST OF THE FUNDING, DO THEY THEN DONATE IT TO US? OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? NO, IT, IT IS, WE'RE IT MR. WALKER'S STILL GOING TO OWN IT? HE'S SELLING HIS DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS.HE'S BASICALLY SAYING I WILL NEVER DEVELOP IT AGAIN.
NO ONE CAN EVER DEVELOP IT AGAIN.
AND AS PART OF THAT ARRANGEMENT, I HAVEN'T SEEN WHAT THE CONTRACTOR, THE OFFER SAYS HE WILL BE ALLOWED A CERTAIN NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS.
ONE BEING HIS OWN AND MAYBE, AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE WILL MAKE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR A SECOND DWELLING UNIT FOR A CHILD OR A GROWN ADULT CHILDREN.
SOMETHING LIKE TO THAT EFFECT.
THEY WILL MAKE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THAT AND THAT THAT PRECEDES HIS, YOU KNOW, HIS DEATH OR HIS STATE.
SO WHEN HE PASSES AWAY IT, IT STAYS IN PERPETUITY.
NO, WE'LL LEAVE IT IN THERE SO WE CAN HAVE A NICE WENT OUTTA THE BOX.
UM, UM, WE CAN START AT THE TOP AGAIN IF YOU WANT.
SINCE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS YEAH.
TRYING TO MOVE, LET'S JUST DO THIS.
I WOULD SAY COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS IS A LOW TO MEDIUM.
THAT'D BE A LOW MI UH, L PLUS OR M MINUS.
I WAS FEELING A LITTLE EXTRA THAT TIME.
IT WAS THE FIRST ONE OUT THE BOX YOU'RE LIKE YES.
MEDIUM TO LOW AGAIN, I GUESS IF WE'RE CALLING THE OTHER ONE, UH, I WOULD SAY I WOULD JUST GO MEDIUM.
I DIDN'T THINK I DID THINK ABOUT DOING THAT THIS AFTERNOON.
I'M LIKE WELL I COULD ASSIGN EVERYONE A VALUE AND THEN I COULD FIGURE OUT THE AVERAGE OF, BUT I'M LIKE I'M NOT THAT BIG A NERD.
I KNOW YOU PROBABLY COULD SOME DO THAT RESIDENTIAL OPTION.
SO THOSE ARE THE DIFFERENT RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
UM, MEDIUM FOR INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS.
UM, NEED A TIE BREAKER ON THIS NEED.
MR. PETERS, YOU'RE THE TIE BREAKER.
MIDAS, WHERE YOU AT? I'M MISSING, I REVIEWED DESIGN GUIDELINES.
THAT'S A YEAH, THAT'S A HIGH PROPERTY MAINTENANCE.
UH, WE'RE DOWN TO, WE'RE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO MEDIUM TO HIGH, HIGH.
THAT'S A SMATTERING ACROSS THE BORDER.
YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD VOTE MEDIUM.
I THINK THAT, CAN YOU JUST DEFINE IT? SO MAYBE THE, THOSE OF US WHO HAVE, WE COULD CHANGE IF WE FULLY UNDERSTAND.
I THINK IT WAS LOOKING AT THE UM, WELL HERE, LET ME JUST TELL US WHAT PAGE JOY 42 40.
WHETHER OR NOT TO REVIEW THE ZONING TO ENSURE FLEXIBILITY WITH BROAD RANGE OF PERMITTED USES IN THROUGH THERE.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE ALL THE IMPACT, THAT'S WHERE ALL THE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURES COMING RIGHT NOW IS 29.
AND AND THAT AREA, YOU KNOW, CAMPUS, CAMPUS DRIVE, THAT AREA.
SO THAT WAS MORE OF A FOCUSED AREA OF THAT THE TOWN CENTER, ALL OF THAT DEVELOPMENT IN THERE.
IF WE WANT TO CHANGE ANY OF THAT.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT IS THE WAY THE RETAIL'S WRITTEN FOR THE TOWN CENTER IS AWKWARD AND I THINK SOMEWHAT LIMITED.
WHEN WE HAD QUEST TO THE HIGH TOP COME IN FOR QUEST, I DID AND, UM, DEPARTMENT TOWN CENTER CAME IN AND SAID WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE ABOUT THE ZONING BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE HINKY.
AND I SAID, LOOK, LET'S TALK ABOUT YOUR ZONING.
MAYBE THERE NEEDS TO BE A COMPREHENSIVE REZONING JUST FOR THAT INTERCHANGE.
'CAUSE IT IS AN R OR IO ONE IO TWO IO THREE.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.
MEDIUM PLUS I WOULDN'T SAY PLUS.
THAT'S THAT 10 ACRE PIECE THAT'S IN THERE.
THAT'S R TWO THAT'S NEVER BEEN DEVELOPED AND WE DON'T KNOW WHY.
LONGFORD ROAD WAS THE PIECE THAT'S DOWN BY, DOWN BY WHERE? BRISBANE WOODS WHERE JOE USED TO LIVE, UM, DOWN THAT AREA.
THE LARGE INDUSTRIAL PIECE THERE.
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WANT TO KEEP THAT INDUSTRIAL SO THAT THAT WOULD I THINK STAY MEDIUM.AND THEN THE INTERSECTION OF LONGFORD AND EGYPT ROADS I THINK WOULD ALSO BE IN MEDIUM.
UH, UPDATE TO FAIR SHARE ANALYSIS.
I THINK WE CAN, WHILE IT LOOKS LIKE IT SORT OF FITS IN BETWEEN A MEDIUM, I THINK THAT CAN SORT OF BE A LOW.
SO SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT SORT OF HAPPENS IN TERMS OF APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THERE'S NO REASON TO JUMP RIGHT ON THAT RIGHT AWAY IN THE NEXT TWO OR THREE YEARS.
SO READING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ABOUT THE MOBILE HOMES, THERE'S ENOUGH OF AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO BE BUILT EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT EXISTING.
AND WE JUST HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR THAT.
YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE LANGUAGE WITHIN YOUR ZONING TO WHERE IT, IT'S FEASIBLE TO BUILD THEM.
DOESN'T MEAN IT'S EASY, DOESN'T MEAN IT IS LIKELY.
BUT THERE IS LANGUAGE WITHIN THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY COULD HAPPEN.
I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO ANTHONY SINCE HE'S LOOKING AT, AT DOWN TO TRAFFIC.
PROVIDE, UH, PROVIDE A SITE FROM SITE MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION.
YEAH, THE LAST TWO ON THE FIRST PAGE.
WELL, BECAUSE YOU GOT THREE MEDIUMS, TWO HIGHS ON BOTH FROM MEDIUM PLUS MEDIUM PLUS CONTINUED ADVANCE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN POLICY.
SO WE HAVE TWO, TWO HIGHS, THREE MEDIUMS. IT SEEMS LIKE MEDIUM PLUS AS WELL, PLUS AS WELL.
OH, ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE WHERE JOE HAS TO BREAK THE TAB.
YOU GOT TWO HIGHS OF TWO MEDIUMS. MM-HMM.
SO THE ONE FIRST ONE IS THE OTHER SHEET BACKSIDE OF THE SHEET FOR PURSUIT FUNDING.
WE'RE PLANNING DESIGN, IMPLEMENTATION OF IMPROVEMENTS.
WE'LL PROBABLY SHORTEN, LEMME EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE.
MOST, I'M NOT SURE MR. PETER'S QUITE, I'M NOT SURE ANY REALLY QUITE UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO THE, THIS IS REGARDING THE SAFETY.
SO A FEW PRESENTATIONS AGO, I GUESS WE HAD THE SAFETY ANALYSIS DOCUMENT, THAT'S GONNA BE AN APPENDIX AS PART OF THE COMP PLAN.
SO THAT EVALUATED THE TOWNSHIP AND IDENTIFIED, EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE MY VOICE.
THE, UH, HIGH, HIGH CRASH LOCATIONS, CORRIDORS THROUGHOUT THE TOWNSHIP.
UM, SO THAT WASN'T ANYTHING THAT WAS DONE SPECIFIC TO THE COMP PLAN.
SO THAT WASN'T ON ANY OF THE LIKE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS OR WHATEVER.
SO THAT'S KIND OF LIKE A STANDALONE.
AND THROUGH THAT ANALYSIS WE'VE IDENTIFIED SOME QUARTERS THAT COULD PROBABLY LOOK, SOME COULD PROBABLY LOOK TO DEEP DIVE AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S HAPPENING, WHY, WHY THE ACCIDENT'S OCCURRING, THAT SORT OF THING.
SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS REFERRING TO, TO KIND OF DRILL DOWN AND EVALUATE THAT DOCUMENT AND WELL, THAT'S A SAFETY ISSUE THEN.
I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD CHANGE MY QUESTION MARK TO HIGH PUBLIC SAFETY.
I WOULD BE PART OF THE SS FOUR A STAKE.
SO, WE'LL WE, WE'LL PRE WE'LL ABBREVIATE THAT A LITTLE BIT AND MAKE THAT A LITTLE MORE CLEAR IN THE TEXT, BUT SO HIGH IT IS FOR THAT ON REVIEW AND UPDATE THE TOWNSHIP ACT 2 0 9 STUDY.
IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WAS CONSENSUS.
UM, ADVANCE THE PRIORITY PROJECTS LISTED IN THE PLAN AND PREVIOUS PLANS.
YEAH, WE'RE DOING THAT EVERY DAY IT SEEMS. UH, PLAN AND IMPLEMENT IMPROVEMENTS TO ADDRESS EXISTING AND FUTURE MULTIMODAL NEEDS.
WALKING, BIKING, PUBLIC TRANSIT.
LOOKS LIKE WE'RE ALL ON THAT ONE.
UH, SUPPORT SAFE CONDITIONS BY REDUCING VEHICLE SPEEDS AND CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC.
KIND OF A SIMILAR SAFETY TYPE ELEMENT.
UM, SEEMS LIKE ME MEDIUM, I GUESS IT'S TWO ONE.
I I I HAD THE LOW AND I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT'S CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC MEET.
SO KIND OF, I GUESS SIMILAR TO FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE THE, THE LAND USE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION THAT WAS JUST IN FRONT OF A EVENING.
LIKE LOOK AT WHAT THEY WERE PROPOSING, YOU KNOW, A ROADWAY THAT CONNECTED BOTH ROADS.
WE LOOKED AT IT FROM EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING.
SAFETY AND PROJECTS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THE BACKGROUND AND SAID, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS A GOOD IDEA AT THIS LOCATION BECAUSE OF THE ISSUES.
SO THAT'S KIND, YOU KNOW, EVALUATING DEVELOPMENT AS IT COMES AROUND, MAKING SURE WE DON'T HAVE CUT THROUGHS.
THE OTHER EXAMPLE WOULD BE, UM, BURG BAPTIST, YOU KNOW, THAT HAD THE CONNECTION TO THE BACK AS A POTENTIAL CUT THROUGH TYPE OF APPLICATION.
SO, BUT THAT, THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE, THE WELL I TOOK IT TO BE THEIS BUS, IT WAS ALL THAT WAS THE NEXT RELATED TO, UH, THAT WAS THE NEXT LINE ITEM.
THE CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC THOUGH WE AGREE WAS OBEDIENT.
WELL, NO, I, I, I JUST SAID I HAD A LOW ON THAT, BUT I'LL CHANGE MINE TO MEDIUM THEN WE'LL MAKE IT MEDIUM.
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THE ONE ONE WE'RE TALKING BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT LEAVING RIGHT THERE.IT'S SMALLER RIGHT JOE? THE SUPPORT OF PUBLIC TRANSIT THERE WAS, I MISSED HIM.
I MEAN THE, THE, THE SEPTA ISSUE, I MEAN WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SEPTA GOING THROUGH HERE AND I DON'T THINK THEY'RE PROPOSING ANY INCREASES.
TO ME THIS JUST IS A LOW PRIORITY IN TERMS OF ALL THAT WE HAVE TO DO.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S INTERESTED.
WE HAVE ALL WE HAVE TO DO I PUT THAT, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SET.
THE BUS REVOLUTION PROJECT IS.
IT'S JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, CALLING ATTENTION TO SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THE WORKS.
THERE IS A PORTION OF ROUTE 29 THAT'S GETTING, UH, SLIGHTLY IMPACTED BY THE BUS REVOLUTION PLAN I GUESS.
BUT, UM, THAT THERE'S NOT MUCH GOING THROUGH THE TOWNSHIP PLACE.
THEY JUST RECENTLY CHANGED THE ROUTING AND RIGHT.
THE BUS REVOLUTION'S A WHOLE REDESIGN OF THEIR SYSTEM.
BUT THE BUS, BUS REVOLUTION THAT YOU REFERS TO HERE IS SEPTA HAS COME UP WITH A PLAN TO COMPLETELY REDO A LOT OF THE, TO REDO MOST OF THEIR ROUTES, TIMING, YOU KNOW, AND, AND TO BETTER ADDRESS WHERE THEIR DEMAND IS NOW.
WELL THEY JUST DID THAT RIGHT? AND THEN THEY PULLED BACK FROM IT AND THEY'RE, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE WORKING TOWARDS IT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
SO THIS IS ANOTHER, AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S QUITE AFFECTED US YET OR IF, IF THEY'VE MADE CHANGES TO OUR AREA OR NOT.
YEAH, I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT, UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING CHANGES, BUT, UM, IT'S COMING DOWN THE LINE.
SO IT WAS JUST LIKE TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, KEEP, KEEP PUBLIC TRANSIT ON THE RADAR I GUESS, SO WE DON'T LOSE TRACK OF IT.
PARTICULARLY WHEN, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE AREAS OF ROUTE 29, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF APPLICATIONS ALONG ROUTE 29 NOW THAT ARE GETTING, THAT ARE COMING IN.
WELL, I'LL, I'LL STICK WITH MY LOW ON THAT.
I'M NOT SURE I CARE ABOUT WHAT SOMETHING, I MEAN IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T COME UP VERY OFTEN.
MAYBE A DOUBLE LOW JERK PLUSES.
UM, ALRIGHT, SO THE NEXT ONE, ENSURING PROVIDENCE ORDINANCES AND POLICIES ARE ALIGNED WITH THE GOALS AND APPLICABLE STANDARDS.
UM, SUPPORT AND PARTICIPATE REGIONAL AND TRANSPORTATION PLANNING PROCESS AND D-B-R-P-C.
UPDATING A RIGHT OF WAY MAP AND RECLASSIFICATIONS IDENTIFIED IN THE PLAN.
I WOULD GO MEDIUM MINUS LIKE THAT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S TOO UPDATE THE TOWNSHIP SIDEWALK AND TRAILS MAC TO REFLECT CURRENT NETWORK.
SO THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING AS YOU KNOW, WE NOTICED IS WHERE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE ONES THAT PLANNED FROM 2019, I THINK IT IS.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S SOME NEW THINGS COME OFF SINCE 2019.
SO IT WAS THAT, I MEAN, SEEMS LIKE LOW MEDIUM CONSENSUS ON THAT ONE, BUT IT'S BASICALLY JUST TO UPDATE THAT TO MAKE SURE IT'S REFLECTIVE THINGS THAT ARE GONNA OCCUR.
AND THE INTERESTING THING THERE IS 10 OR 15 YEARS AGO, NOBODY USED THOSE TRAILS.
SUPER HOT, SUPER HOT TREND THINGS HAVE CHANGED, RIGHT? YEP.
THE ONE THINGS THAT WE, SOME, THE FEW THINGS WE DON'T HAVE ON HERE ARE MOSTLY FROM JEN'S LIST AND THEN THAT I DIDN'T INCLUDE THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE SORT OF ONGOING ACTION ITEMS. THERE'S MONITORING THINGS LIKE THAT THAT JEN MENTIONS IN HER SECTION.
YOU DON'T GET GET TO VOTE ON MINE BECAUSE I HAVE TO DO THEM EVERY HIGH IS WATCHING US.
AND SO THEY'LL BE LISTED IN THERE, BUT THEY'LL, THEY'LL JUST SAY ONGOING COMPLIANCE.
THE, UH, I HAD JUST ONE QUESTION.
MAP TO ME WOULD SEEM LIKE A HIGH, ISN'T THAT A DO WITH THE, I HAVE OUR, OUR, OUR RIGHT AWAY MAP IS FROM 1999.
SO, AND SAME THING WITH OUR OFFICIAL MAP.
SO I MIGHT TAKE'S PREROGATIVE AND MOVE IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
SO SOME OF THESE, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERST FULLY UNDERSTOOD WHAT THEY ARE.
THAT'S SPARK AND I APOLOGIZE THAT, THAT THAT OCCURRED.
BUT THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY MAP IS THE MAP THAT IF A DEVELOPER COMES INTO THE TOWNSHIP AND SAYS, I WANT TO BUILD HERE, HOW WIDE DO I HAVE TO MAKE THE ROADS? IT DEFINES WHAT THOSE ROADS ARE.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU, WE NEED TO DECIDE RIGHT NOW WHAT THOSE RIGHT RIGHTS OF WAY ARE.
I KNOW ANTHONY HAS SOME OF THEM IN HIS LANGUAGE, BUT MIGHT BE MOVING THAT ONE UP TO BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER OF A PRIORITY SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT IN PROCESS.
IS THAT BECAUSE YOU, BECAUSE YOU THINK OURS JUST, WE NEED TO CHANGE OURS? YEAH.
I I WOULD SAY ABOUT 40% OF THE ROADS IN THE TOWNSHIP NOW AREN'T ON OUR RIGHT OF WAY MAP BECAUSE IT WAS DONE IN 1999.
SO IT, AND IT HAS, THE CAVEAT IS ON THERE.
IT'S LIKE ANY ROAD NOT SHOWN AS A VILLAGE ROAD OR ANY ROAD NOT SHOWN AS A RESIDENTIAL ROAD.
AND WHILE MOST OF THE NEW ROADS ARE STILL
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GONNA STAY RESIDENTIAL TO IDENTIFY THEM AS MUCH BETTER THAN TO LEAVE IT WIDE OPEN LIKE THAT.SO, SO THIS IS THE CLASSIFICATION OF ALL OF THE ROADS LIKE ARTERIAL THEATER.
I THINK THAT THAT'S, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT.
I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT I'LL CHANGE MY OWN.
I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD INCREASE THAT PRIORITY.
I JUST WAS WONDERING, WOULD, WOULD THESE ISSUES COME UP ON A PROJECT BY PROJECT BASIS THOUGH? AS AS THEY DO.
BUT, BUT THE ISSUE IS DO THE ROADS, ARE THE ROADS CLASSIFIED CORRECTLY NOW? SOME OF IT IS, MOST OF OUR ROADS ARE PROBABLY GONNA BE STATE ROADS.
SO THEY HAVE A CERTAIN CLASSIFICATION THAT WE DON'T GET TO CHANGE ANYWAY.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IDENTIFIED WHAT'S STATE ROADS AND WHAT'S, AND WE RUN INTO THIS ALL THE TIME WHEN WE'RE TALKING TO DEVELOPERS.
WELL IS THIS A STATE ROAD OR NOT A STATE ROAD? SO I WANT THE OFFICIAL, I WANT THE RIGHT OF WAY MAP TO SHOW YOU, SHOW ME, SHOW THE DEVELOPERS WHAT'S A PENNDOT ROAD AND WHAT'S TOWNSHIP ROAD.
AND THEN FOR TOWNSHIP ROADS, IF WE WANT TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATION AT SOME POINT WE CAN.
AND I THINK THAT THAT AFFECTS, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC FLOW FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND ALSO FOR GRANT APPLICATIONS, I BELIEVE SHOWS OUR PRIORITY IN TERMS OF WHAT MONIES WE MIGHT WANT TO GO AFTER FOR GRANTS.
IT IS SOMEWHAT OF A MAGIC CONTROL DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE LET'S SAY SPRINTER TOWN ROAD, I MEAN IF THAT'S CLASSIFIED AS A COLLECTOR, BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT, THAT GIVEN THE GEOMETRY AND GIVEN THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA, WE WANT MAKE IT A, WE WANNA PUT IT ON A ROAD DIET AND MAKE A FEEDER ROAD THAT THAT'S BETTER FOR THE TOWNSHIP.
THAT'S HOW WE WOULD IDENTIFY THAT.
YEAH, BECAUSE THERE WAS A FEW RIGHT OFF THE BAT THAT WE JUST NOTICED, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT THE PROCESS OF TIME PENN I CLASS ON THE PENNOCK ROADS, A LOT OF 'EM ARE, I THINK THEY WERE LISTED AS LOCAL OR FEEDER, BUT THEY'RE REALLY ARTERIO.
UM, THAT'S ROUTE ONE 13, UM, BLACKROCK ROAD AND YOU KNOW, SEVERAL OTHERS.
SO IT WAS JUST A NATURAL AND IT WAS AT A DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATION FOR US, BUT THERE'S A STATE ROAD, SO IT WAS MORE LIKE ALIGNING IT TO MAKE IT MAKE A CONSENSUS I GUESS.
SO SOME OF THOSE WERE LIKE LOW HANGING FRUIT TYPE OF CHANGES.
I REMEMBER MOVE THAT TO OKAY, THAT'S THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AS AN ASIDE ON THAT ONE TOO, AS A LAND DEVELOPMENT ENGINEER, WHEN THEY'RE COMING IN HERE AND LOOKING FOR THAT, THAT RIGHT OF WAY LINE ESTABLISHES WHERE ALL OF THEIR SETBACKS START.
THEIR FRONT YARDS, THEY'RE BUILDING SETBACKS, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT TAKES AWAY THEIR DEVELOPABLE ACREAGE BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, REDUCED FROM THE LAND THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY BE BUILDING ON.
SO IT SETS, IT SETS PROJECT SEARCH FROM THE BEGINNING TOO.
AND, AND FOR MY OWN CLARIFICATION, IF A DEVELOPER COMES IN AND WE HAVE A NUMBER, PICK A NUMBER, SAY 25, YOU CAN'T MAKE IT 30 AFTER THEY'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED A PLAN.
I MEAN IT'S LOCKED IN ON WHATEVER IT IS WHEN THEY COME IN.
SO MAYBE THAT IS AN AGE YOU NEED TO HAVE YOU AT THE, THIS ROOM TOMORROW.
TOMORROW MEDIUM MINUS IS NOW TOMORROW.
WHAT'S THE MECHANISM FOR ACTUALLY GETTING THE MAP UPDATED? IS THAT A CONSULTANT? YES.
I I, I HAVE A VERSION OF IT THAT I UPDATED THROUGH MY GIS I'VE GIVEN THAT TO ANTHONY AND I THINK THEY'RE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT PROGRAM THEY INITIALLY USE, BUT THEY HAVE A PROGRAM AND THEY'VE UPDATED IT TOO.
SO WE HAVE SOME DRAFT MAPS FLOATING AROUND THAT WE'VE MEANT TO BRING FORWARD.
THAT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE EVEN THAT AND MINE WAS JUST MAKING THE OLD HAND DRAWN SLIGHTLY AUTOCAD MAP FROM 1999 READABLE IN, YOU KNOW, AND PRINTABLE.
DO YOU GUYS SHOW WHAT EVERY TIME WE TAKE A DEDICATION, A RIGHTAWAY DEDICATION, DOES THAT GET FED INTO NO, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE, I I WOULD BE, WE HAVE SO MANY JOBS WHERE WE'RE TAKING DEDICATED, YOU KNOW, SOME RIGHT AWAY.
I MEAN I MUST HAVE, I CAN'T COUNT THE NUMBER OF PIECES OF DEDICATION THAT I'VE DONE.
AND MAYBE I, MAYBE THERE'S A WAY WHERE I COULD ACTUALLY PRINT OFF ALL THE ONES I EVER DID AND THEY CAN BE SOMEHOW ADDED TO THAT MAP SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE REAL I I I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO MAP THAT INFORMATION.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT TOWNSHIP WOULD REALLY USE AND NEED.
SO SOUNDS LIKE A SUMMER INTERN JOB.
SEE THE PROBLEM IS YOU HAVE TO BUY 'EM A, I GUESS LICENSE AND THAT'S LIKE 3000.
HOW ABOUT SOME SEVENTH GRADERS? SEVENTH GRADERS? THEY PROBABLY KNOW IT BETTER THAN I DO, SO THEY COULD PROBABLY HACK THE LICENSE.
UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO.
I'D SUGGEST THAT WE SOMEHOW MAYBE, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO THIS, BUT SOMEHOW
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SOME SOMEHOW DECIDE THAT EVERY THREE MONTHS THERE'S A COMMITMENT THAT WE REVIEW THE STATUS OF EACH OF THESE AND SEE WHERE WE ARE AND IF WE WANT TO CHANGE THE PRIORITIES.I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW I, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY EVERY SIX MONTHS WE'VE BEEN, I JUST, THAT WAS THE POINT OF MY QUESTION, JEFF, WAS HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE KNOW THIS IS GETTING DONE RIGHT? AND JEFF SAID, HOLDING, HOLDING MY FEET TO THE FIRE AS THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER, IF YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING THAT, IF YOU DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN SIX MONTHS FROM ME, YOU MAKE A POINT TO SAY AT A PUBLIC MEETING AS THE, AS THE CHAIR OR AS ANY MEMBER SAY, JEFF, WE WANT THAT LIST FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
BUT SOMEHOW MAYBE JEFF, BUT EVERY SIX MONTHS, YOU KNOW, IT'S ON YOUR CLOCK THAT YEAH.
YOU KNOW, IT IS ON THE AGENDA TO DO IT.
I THINK WE, WE CAN TAKE THAT RESPONSIBILITY A LITTLE BIT TOO.
SAY, HEY JEFF, WE'RE JUST CURIOUS, HOW'S IT GOING WITH UH, ABSOLUTELY THIS PRIORITY THOUGH.
YEAH, I THINK I NEED TO MAKE A, JUST A GENERAL LIST ON THE AGENDA FOR GENERAL DISCUSSION AT THE END.
SO IT CAN BE ANYTHING THAT'S GOOD LEGALLY IF I CAN DO THAT OR NOT.
BUT THAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
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ALRIGHT, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE SECOND.OKAY, OCTOBER 2ND, WE'RE GONNA 1201 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD AND A DISCUSSION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH THE INTENT TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR THEIR APPROVAL, UH, OCTOBER 16TH, ELIA STREET.
NOW THEY PULLED OFF TONIGHT, RIGHT? THEY PULLED OFF TONIGHT.
THEY DIDN'T, THEY'RE NOT RESCHEDULED NOW AT THIS POINT.
THEY, THEY DID SAY, WELL, WE WANNA BE ON THE NEXT AGENDA.
AND I SAID, NO, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ON THE NEXT AGENDA.
NOBODY GETS RIGHT BACK ON THE AGENDA WHEN THEY PULL OFF BECAUSE I HAVE TOO MANY AGENDAS PLANNED OUT.
WE HAVE TO SEE, UM, WE MIGHT BE TALKING PARKHOUSE ON THE 16TH AND THE, AND THE NOVEMBER MEETING, SO I DON'T REALLY WANNA PUT PARKHOUSE AND ELIA STREET ON THE SAME MEETING.
BUT IF WE HAVE TO, THEN WE MIGHT HAVE TO.
SO SLEEPING BAGS, UM, BRING YOUR COFFEE TRUST.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW.
IS THAT, IS THAT POSSIBLE THAT YOU COULDN'T OR YOU DON'T? WELL, I, I DON'T HAVE A CLOCK ON EITHER OF THEM, SO TECHNICALLY I DON'T HAVE TO PUT THEM ON AN AGENDA.
WELL, I THINK THAT WE ALL WOULD AGREE YOU, YOU YOURSELF WOULD BE NICE IF WE JUST BLEW.
AND IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF I'M KIND OF GETTING A BOTTLENECK WITH THEM.
SO WE WILL HAVE TO SEE, UM, THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON NOVEMBER 20TH, OUR LAST ONE OF THAT FOR THE YEAR.
THEN WE MIGHT END UP HAVING A SPECIAL MEETING FOR OUR LOCAL CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
WE'LL HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
BUT THAT'S ANOTHER DISCUSSION.
AND REALLY BY THAT POINT, IT'S THANKSGIVING.
HOW ABOUT THE BILLBOARDS THAT THE TREE FELL ON? I WOULD LOVE IF THEY DIDN'T REBUILD THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY, ANY, ANY LEGS TO STAND ON NOR DOES THE BILLBOARD.
I MEAN I GUESS THAT'S A QUESTION I I CAN ASK YOU IS I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THE BILLBOARD.
DID CAN I GET THEM TO NEVER PUT IT BACK UP? CAN JUMP IT IF THEY WANNA PUT IT BACK UP.
WHAT'S THE MONTCLAIR FIREHOUSE SELL? WHAT ARE THEY SELLING THAT BUILDING FOR? WHY ARE THEY SELLING? SO I KNOW WHAT IT PRAYS FOR.
YEAH, WELL, BUT WHY ARE THEY EVEN SELLING IT? THE THE FIRE COMPANY WANTS TO DIVEST THEMSELVES ON IT.
I, OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T KNOW.
WELL, ARE THEY SOMEWHERE ELSE? YEAH, THEY WENT TO THE ONE ON GREEN ROAD.
THEY'RE, THEY, WHEN BLACKROCK AND MONTCLAIR MERGED, I'M SORRY, WHEN OAKS AND MONTCLAIR MERGED 10 YEARS AGO, EIGHT YEARS AGO, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY BECAME BLACKROCK FIRE COMPANY AT THAT POINT.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH VOLUNTEERS TO RUN ANYBODY OUT OF MONTCLAIR.
SO THEY'VE BEEN STORING THINGS DOWN THERE.
THEY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE USED IT, THE TOWNSHIP HAS USED IT ON OCCASION.
WE USED IT AS A SORT OF A, A FACILITY FOR WHEN, WHEN THE FLOODS WERE GOING ON AS A, AS A STATION.
UM, BUT IT'S BLACKROCK FIRE COMPANY OWNS IT AS PART OF THAT MERGER.
AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO SELL IT.
AUCTION, AUCTION, AUCTION AUCTION.
AND I CAN TELL YOU FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT, THERE'S VERY LITTLE THEY CAN DO THERE.
YOU KNOW, A COUPLE HOUSES, A COUPLE, UM, DUPLEXES.
IT'S SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO WHAT'S GOING ACROSS THE STREET IN MILLI STREET.
IT'S GENERALLY ABOUT THE SAME.
I MEAN OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT COMMERCIAL.
THEY, THEY HAD AN APPRE THEY HAD, I SPOKE TO THE, I SPOKE TO THE, UH, PRESIDENT OF THE FIRE COMPANY YESTERDAY.
UM, THEY HAD AN APPRAISAL FOR A MILLION OR A LITTLE OVER A MILLION, THEN THEY HAD A MORE RECENT APPRAISAL FOR 600,000.
THEY DON'T BELIEVE, THEY DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT APPRAISAL IS ACCURATE.
THEY BELIEVE IN THE MILLION DOLLAR APPRAISAL.
SO THEY HAD THE SAME GUY APPRAISED IT THE SECOND TIME.
YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY SETTING A MILLION AS THE MINIMUM ON THE AUCTION.
WHAT? SO THAT'S BECAUSE I WAS INQUIRING THE TOWNSHIP WANTED TO TALK TO, TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY
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POSSIBLE INTEREST IN ACQUIRING.AND UM, OF COURSE WE CAN ONLY GO AS HIGH AS AN APPRAISAL OBTAINED BY US, BUT HE SAID YOU, WELL, WE'RE AT A MILLION, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HOPING TO GET A MILLION, MAYBE WE CAN TALK AGAIN IF WE'RE, IF WE TURN OUT TO BE WRONG AND THE, AND THE AUCTION GOES NOT THE WAY WE WANT IT, THEN MAYBE WE'LL TALK TO YOU LATER.
DID YOU ASK HIM ANYTHING ABOUT, DO YOU KNOW WHAT P FOAS ARE? YEAH, THE RUBBER CONTAMINANT.
SO IF THEY USED FIRE FOAM IN THERE AT ALL, THEN THERE IS
DO THEY HAVE A PHASE ONE ON THAT? I I, I HAVE NO IDEA.
UM, AND I DIDN'T SEE THE APPRAISALS AND, AND THE AUCTION, THE AUCTION DOESN'T MENTION IT, YOU KNOW, THE AUCTION.
I THINK IT'S JUST, YOU HAVE TO BE AN EDUCATED BUYER IF THEY DON'T, MENTIONS ALMOST A REQUIREMENT FOR A COMMERCIAL.
AND JUST SERIOUSLY WHAT HAPPENS TO THE WHATEVER MONEY THEY GET FOR THAT BUILDING? WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT MONEY? WELL, THAT DEPENDS ON WHETHER YOU, AS LONG AS THEY CONTINUE TO OPERATE, IT'S THEIR ASSET, IT'S THEIR MONEY.
IF THEY WERE TO DISSOLVE, THEN THERE'S A, THERE'S A VERY COMPLEX SET OF RULES.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT'LL JUST GIVE THAT MONEY OUT TO THE THEN MEMBERS OF THE FIRE COMPANY.
IT USUALLY GOES TO ANOTHER ROLLOVER, TO ANOTHER FIRE COMPANY OR SUCCESSOR ENTITY OR CHARITY OR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BILLION OTHER OPTIONS.
BUT IT'S NOT LIKE THEY JUST WALK AWAY WITH IT.
BUT WHAT'S, WHAT'S, WHAT'S OUR RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN UPPER PROVIDENCE AND THE BLACK FIRE COMPANY TODAY? I MEAN, COMPLICATED.
I, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M GOING HERE IS THAT, I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE, WE PROVIDE EQUIPMENT TO THEM.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOT THE TOWNSHIP HOLDS A MORTGAGE OR HAS, YOU KNOW, A LOAN ON AGAINST THE, UH, PROPERTY THERE THAT HAS TO BE, THAT'LL BE PAID OFF, UH, OUT OF THE SALE IF IT HAPPENS.
UH, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, AND YES, JOE, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE HAVE THE TOWNSHIP FROM A BUDGETARY STANDPOINT HAS SET ASIDE MONEY FOR THAT FIRE COMPANY AND OTHER FIRE COMPANIES.
I MEAN, WE'VE GIVEN OUT TO EVERYBODY WHO SERVES THE TOWNSHIP.
BLACKROCK HAS BEEN PREVIOUS BY FAR AND AWAY THE BEST RECIPIENT OF THAT MONEY.
BUT WE'VE GOT A LITTLE MORE, LITTLE MORE OF AN INTERLINKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM.
WELL, TO DO WITH, UH, WE'VE GIVEN THEM MONEY.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY OTHER THAN THE MORTGAGE.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY RIGHTS OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE HAVE OVER THE FIRE COMPANY.
THEY OPERATE AS THEIR OWN ENTITY.
DIDN'T WE BUY THE, THE EQUIPMENT? WELL, LET'S, WE'RE REALLY STRAINED FROM THE AGENDA.
SO THE AGENDA, I'M SORRY YOU BROUGHT IT UP.
WELL CAN I SAY ONE? THEY HAD BROUGHT UP WHAT TO DO WITH THE BALL FIELDS IN THE BACK AND HE ASKED ME IF I HAD ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ON NICK FROM BLACKROCK AND I SUGGESTED TALKING TO YOU GUYS.
'CAUSE THAT MIGHT BE SOME, BECAUSE YOU OWN THE BALL FIELDS ON THE RIGHT OF THE DRIVEWAY AND THEY OWN THE BALL FIELDS ON THE LEFT.
SO WOULD THAT BE AN ACQUISITION THAT YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED IN MAKING? I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION BETWEEN STAFF.
OUR FIRE WITH OUR FIRE COMPANY.
IN TERMS OF WHAT THE FUTURE DISPOSITION OF, OF THAT PROPERTY IS TOO.
UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'VE BEEN ANY SPECIFIC POLICY DISCUSSIONS AND CERTAINLY NOT ANY MONEY SET ASIDE AS FAR AS I KNOW.
UM, I JUST LIKE TO COMPLIMENT EVERYBODY UP HERE.
THE BOARD'S NOT HERE, THEY'RE GONE NOW.
BUT THE BOARD, JEFF, THE CONSULTANTS AND EVERYBODY ON THAT DENTAL FACILITY ON LEWIS ROAD, THAT IS REALLY NICE THAT THE GUY DID A NICE JOB.
THE CONTRACTOR OR THE DESIGNER OR WHATEVER.
I I YOU'RE LIKE THE THIRD PERSON THAT HAS COMMENTED TO ME ABOUT WE SHOULD PROBABLY ALSO FIRST PLAN THE PERSON.
I DON'T THERE SO NOBODY MAKES IT.
YOU DON'T GET ANY EXTRA CREDIT FOR IT.
BUT I MEAN, I JUST THINK PEOPLE HAVE NOTICED IT.
I THINK THE POINT GOING AWAY FROM, OH, OKAY.
WELL NO, JUNE'S NOT LEAVING UNTIL NEXT SUMMER.
WELL, I, I I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL SHE ASKED ABOUT PLANNING THE CHRISTMAS PARTY.
SO THAT USUALLY FALLS UNDER THE OH, YOU GUYS PAY FOR IT? I, UH, YEAH AND I STILL WILL, ALTHOUGH I WILL BE IN NEW ZEALAND.
UM, WHAT THE WHOLE MONTH? JUST ABOUT? YEAH.
CAN WE WORK AROUND THAT? WE COULD DO A DIDN'T DO A LATE CHRISTMAS BREAK LAST YEAR.
DIDN'T WE DO IN JANUARY? NO NAP.
WE'LL, THE MANY I WENT TO, I GUESS I BLURRED 'EM ALL TOGETHER.
FRIENDSGIVING FRIENDS, I'LL HAVE ZACH HOLD DOWN THE FORT FROM MY END AND OKAY.
IT PROBABLY BE EIGHT O'CLOCK AT NIGHT OR SOMETHING.
SO I HAVE A, A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, NICOLE MADE A MOTION.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT AD JUDGE SECOND IT.