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A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY HANDLING IT.BUT IF THERE ARE ENOUGH CITIZENS IN THAT HOA THAT WANNA SAVE MONEY AND DO A SOCIAL GET TOGETHER, WELL, IN MY DEVELOPMENT, FOR INSTANCE, ONE GUY OWNS IT, IT'S PART OF HIS PROPERTY, RIGHT? SO HE, AND HE DON'T WANT ANYBODY NEAR IT.
I MEAN, HE'S MADE IT VERY CLEAR.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DEAL WITH THAT.
I MEAN, I GUESS HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING, BUT IT'S, IT, YOU KNOW, REALLY DEPENDS ON THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND, AND THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF QUESTIONS YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO, THAT US AS DESIGN PROFESSIONALS CAN'T ANSWER.
SO LET'S JUST SORT OF TACKLE THE, HOW DO WE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF AN EDUCATIONAL APP AT THIS POINT.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S YOUR APP, YOU'RE GOING TO DO WHAT YOU WANNA DO.
BUT WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM IS, LET'S LOOK AT STORMWATER EDUCATION AND HOW TO FIX SOME STORMWATER ISSUES.
IN THE MOST SIMPLE TERMS. AND WE'LL START WITH THAT.
BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE, HAVE AN APP THAT COULD CONTROL YOUR NEIGHBOR AND MAKE HIM DO SOMETHING.
THAT WOULD BE A WHOLE DIFFERENT SET OF THINK HE DOES DO SOMETHING.
I MEAN, I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE HE DOES, BUT YOU KNOW, HE, HE DOESN'T KNOW ANYBODY NEAR IT AND HE DOESN'T LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE DOES, BUT MAYBE HE DOES SOMETHING, I HOPE.
AND THEY SHOULDN'T BE MOWED, BUT, WELL, I THINK HE MOWS IT.
SOUNDS LIKE YOU GOT, I MEAN, THAT'S A BIG, IF YOU, IF YOU COULD WORK ON THAT.
LIKE LAURIE SAID, THERE'S A LOT THERE.
THANKS FOR GIVING US HOPE THROUGH THE FUTURE.
THANKS FOR COMING TO, WE'LL BE IN TOUCH.
IS THERE MORE THAN YOU PEOPLE, THAN JUST THE FOUR OF YOU GUYS? IT JUST FOUR ME.
JUST THE FOUR OF YOU RIGHT NOW.
AND THIS, AND THIS ISN'T ATTACHED TO SNELLING'S AT CLASS? NO, NO.
I MEAN, ARE YOU, ARE YOU GOING TO TRY TO RECRUIT FOUR GUYS OR GIRLS? NO, THEY WANT ALL, THEY WANT ALL THE GLORY THEMSELVES.
IT'S LIKE, THAT'S HOW OPERATES, NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
THERE'S THE BACK OF STUDENTS WHO CAN PARTICIPATE IN OH, OKAY.
WELL, FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT WHENEVER YOU NEED TO.
I HOPE, UH, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET A NOTE.
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THE GRASSROOTS BILL HERE? WELL, YEAH, LET'S TAKE ONE STEP FURTHER BACK THAN THAT BILL.AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING IN NOVEMBER, WE'VE BEEN REQUESTED TO GIVE A STATUS UPDATE AND SORT OF, UM, TELL THE BOARD WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON, UM, WHAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED, WHICH WE ALL AGREE ISN'T REALLY MUCH AT THIS POINT, BUT IT'S, UM, JUST AS THE CHAIR, YOU'LL HAVE TO COME TO THE MEETING AND GIVE FIVE MINUTES ABOUT IT.
YOU AND I CAN WORK THROUGH IT BETWEEN NOW AND, AND THE OCTOBER MEETING.
BUT, UM, YOU AS THE CHAIR JUST NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING PREPARED AND, WE'LL, AGAIN, IT'S GONNA BE MORE WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON AND WHAT, WHAT'S MOVING FORWARD, WHAT PLANS WE'RE NOT BE ANY RECOMMENDATION.
WE'VE MADE SOME CHANGES TO THE, UM, PLASTIC, TO THE PLASTIC BAG ORDINANCE.
AND THOSE ARE FOR SECTION FOUR, FIVE, AND SIX ON PAGE 47 OF THE PACKET.
UM, THEY WANT TO ADD THE STEP DATE.
SO NUMBER FOUR STARTS SIX MONTHS AFTER THE ORIGINAL PLASTIC BAG.
ORDINANCE NUMBER FIVE STARTS SIX MONTHS AFTER THAT.
NUMBER SIX STARTS, SIX MONTHS AFTER THAT.
AND THEN AT THE END OF ALL OF THEM, THEY WANT THE SAME LINE EXCEPT UPON REQUEST OF THE CUSTOMER.
SO THOSE ARE THE CHANGES THEY'VE ALREADY VOTED ON.
SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS IF YOU WANT A STRAW, YOU HAVE TO ASK.
AND THE SAME WITH PORTS AND YEAH.
THE ONLY ONE THAT'S NOT BAGS, WE BAGS WOULD BE OUT THERE.
BAGS WOULD BE OUT, WOULD BE OUT ON.
SO, AND THEN THE GRASS CUTTING WORLDS, SINCE THAT WAS KIND OF YOUR WORLD, I'LL LET WE, I DIDN'T WANT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR YOU, SO WE KIND OF MOVED PAST IT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE POINT.
YEAH, I, I HAVEN'T READ WHAT CAME OUT OKAY IN THE, UH, PACKET YET.
YEAH, THAT WAS THE SAME ONE THAT WAS OUT FROM JULY.
SO I MEAN, WE CAN TABLE THAT ONE TILL THE NEXT MONTH FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
YOU'RE THE, AND THAT'S ONLY THIS ONE PAGE, RIGHT? IT'S ONLY THIS ONE PAGE AND IT'S NOT AS MUCH AS THE, AS THE EXTENSIVE ONE THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
AND, AND IF YOU WANT, I MEAN, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU PREFER, WE CAN MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION AND, AND, AND UH, UH, UM, JOE IS THE ONE THAT, JOE IS THE ONE THAT PROVIDED US FOR THIS, THAT, THAT IT'S SORT OF THE MIDDLE GROUND.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S SOME LESS MOWING, BUT ALSO NOT AS EXTENSIVE AS SOME OF THE OTHER ONES.
BUT IF THERE'S AREAS THAT YOU WANNA COMPROMISE, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT AND THERE'S AREAS THAT YOU WANNA SAY, HEY, I REALLY THINK THIS SHOULD BE IN THERE, LET US US KNOW.
AND, AND THE ONE THAT CAME UP BEFORE, THE SUPERVISORS THAT GOT TABLED AND THEN PUSHED BACK TO US FOR A REVIEW, HOW MANY PAGES WAS THAT? I DON'T THINK THAT WAS MANY.
I THINK THAT WAS JUST A COUPLE, UM, CHANGES OF LINES.
IS THAT THE ONE JOE P DOWN FOR THIS? NO, NO, NO.
THAT, THAT'S ONE FROM, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT MUNICIPAL CHAT, NOT CHATFIELD.
I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT MUNICIPALITY IT'S FROM.
I THINK THAT'S THE ONE YOU PROVIDED TO US.
UH, THE ONE I, UH, RECOMMENDED WAS FROM ONE OF THE COVENTRY.
AND THAT'S WHERE I'M GETTING THE SEA FROM.
UM, SO
AND JOE PERRY JUST WROTE OF DOWN TO THIS ONE.
I THINK JOE WAS LOOKING FOR A COMPROMISE BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL, HEY, LET'S JUST MAKE, ALLOW PEOPLE JUST TO LET THINGS GROW AND SHAPE 10 FEET OFF THE PATH AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT OTHER ONE WAS ALSO CONTROVERSIAL.
BUT AGAIN, YOU CAN PUT ANYTHING FORWARD YOU WANT TO, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU PREFER.
AND THAT'S, AND YOU HAVE OBVIOUSLY, LET'S, LET'S ALL READ THIS THEN WE'LL TABLE FOR THE NEXT ONE.
AND YOU KNOW, LIKE ALL THIS STUFF, I THINK THE MORE SIMPLE IT IS, THE LESS DETAIL THERE IS TO DEBATE IF SOMEBODY'S IN VIOLATION.
JUST LIKE, HEY, THE INTENTION IS IF YOU LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE EVERYBODY'S LAWNS ARE CUT.
YOU DON'T WANT, I MEAN, IT'S ONE THING TO TO TO LANDSCAPE YOUR PROPERTY WITH NATIVE PLANTS.
AND THAT MIGHT BE A BIGGER PART OF YOUR LAW, BUT IT'S ANOTHER THING TO JUST NOT CUT YOUR WELL.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RETURNING TO MEADOW AND BEING LAZY? YEAH.
I JUST DON'T WANNA CUT A GROUND.
HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU DIFFERENTIATE THE DIFFERE? SO QUESTION NOW, I'M SORRY.
UH, BECAUSE MY, YOU'VE BEEN MY PLACE, HAVEN'T YOU? I'LL BE OUTSIDE OF IT.
WELL, THAT'S, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T, LEMME IN.
THERE'S A BIG SIGN THAT SAYS GUARD DOGS.
UM, I'VE BEEN HERE A COUPLE TIMES.
ME, WELL, I'VE GOT A 200 FOOT DRIVEWAY WITH ANOTHER STRIP NEXT TO ME.
THE GUY NEXT TO ME, EVEN THOUGH HE HAS DOGS AND BITE PEOPLE WILL NOT PUT A FENCE.
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DID LANDSCAPING WITH NATIVE PLANTS THERE, I STILL HAVE TO HAVE A FOOT BUFFER OFF OF THE PROPERTY LINE.NO, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S DIFFERENT.
I, NO, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE A NATIVE BUFFER AS LONG AS IT'S NOT GRASS.
IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE GRASS OR YOUR PROPERTY LINE AND YOU LET IT GROW, THEN YES, YOU NEED TO TRIM IT BACK.
BUT IF YOU HAD NATIVE PLANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I THINK THAT'S THE INTENT IS TO HAVE NATIVE PLANTS AND TO ALLOW YOU TO LET THOSE GROW.
BUT THOSE ARE ALSO NOT THE ONES THAT, YOU KNOW, MOST NATIVE PLANTS AREN'T GROWING UP TO BE.
AND SOME OTHER FLOWERS AND THINGS ARE TALLER.
WELL AGAIN, JUST READ THIS AND LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU WANNA CHANGE.
THAT'S, THAT'S THAT GRAY AREA.
WHERE DOES IT BECOME, HEY, THIS IS INTENTIONAL UHHUH TO GROW NATIVES AS POLLINATORS? OR THIS IS JUST, LIKE I SAID, I JUST DON'T CUT MY GRASS.
HOW DO YOU DEFINE NATIVE? I MEAN, WELL THERE'S PEOPLE WHO ARE, THE STATE HAS DEFINED.
THERE ARE PLANTS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED SPECIFICALLY.
BUT I DON'T LIKE THOSE PLANTS AND I WANNA PUT IN SOMETHING THAT I, LIKE I KNOW JAPANESE MAPLE OR SOMETHING.
AM I NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT? OH, YOU COULD DO THAT.
I MEAN, NOW YOU'RE INTENTIONALLY LANDSCAPING.
PLEASE DON'T PLANT LESSER SELLING TO, PLEASE DON'T PLANT MULTI-FLOOR ROADS, MULTI-FLOOR ROADS.
BUT THOSE, I MEAN, THERE'S CR LIST, THERE'S, THERE'S ACCEPTED LISTS AND ACCEPTED PEOPLE OUT, PROFESSIONALS OUT THERE THAT, THAT HAVE LISTS OF WHAT YOU CAN PLANT AND THE MEADOW FLOWER MIX.
THERE'S THINGS LIKE THAT THAT, THAT YOU CAN GET THAT'S CONSIDERED NATIVE.
I CAN'T TRACE A PLANT BACK TO 1892 AND TELL YOU THAT IT WAS HERE THEN I'M, I'M NOT GONNA DO THAT.
BUT WE'RE ALL, BUT, BUT THERE'S, BUT THERE'S GENERALLY ACCEPTED NATIVE PLANTS AND NATIVE SEED MIXES.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ENCOURAGING.
THEY'RE GENERALLY SPEAKING INVASIVES.
MY NEIGHBOR PLANTED SOME, UM, AND I WENT TO A LOCAL NURSERY AND SHE SAID, I CAN'T IDENTIFY THE BA BOO FOR YOU.
'CAUSE SOME OF IT'S TOXIC DIVORCES.
SHE SAYS, 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SELL IT.
WELL, IF SHE'S NOT ALLOWED TO SELL IT, THEN HOW DO I NEED HER GET BA BOO AMAZON ONLINE AMAZON LINE, YOU KNOW? AND, AND SOMEHOW I ENDED UP WITH ROSA SHARON, WHICH IS ALSO INVASIVE.
HOW IS THAT? IS INVASIVE? WELL, BLACK MULBERRY IS INVASIVE ALSO.
WE'RE ALSO, WE DON'T WANNA WRITE THIS TO MAKE MATT AND I AND SUE AND PUBLIC WORKS HAVING YOU GO OUT THERE AND IDENTIFY PLANTS AND TO ENFORCE THESE THINGS.
I, HOW YOU DO THAT IS THAT IT'S GONNA BE ON ANY OF THESE ORDINANCES, ENFORCEMENT IS ON THE TOWNSHIP AND IT'S JUST AN ADDED EXPENSE TO THE TOWNSHIP.
THAT'S WHY POSSIBLY THE SIMPLICITY IS BETTER THAN GETTING TOO COMPLICATED.
BECAUSE THEN YOU'VE GOT THIS WHOLE, RIGHT NOW, THE WAY WE APPROACH IT, IF SOMEONE'S NOT MOWING THEIR YARD, WE DON'T, WE GET A COMPLAINT.
HOW, HOW OFTEN DO YOU GET COMPLAINTS ON THIS? YOU KNOW, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SUMMER YOU ALWAYS GET SOME, BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T, WHO WAITS A WHILE.
WHO WAITS A WHILE AND THEN KNOW MAY NOW MAY.
AND THEN THIS TIME OF YEAR YOU'LL GET PEOPLE WHO VACATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND THEY DON'T.
AND SO WE DON'T GET THAT MANY COMPLAINTS.
AND, AND A LOT OF IT IS ELDER AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH, MY SON HAS TO COME OVER AND MOW AND I'M SORRY HE HASN'T, UH, YOU KNOW, ONCE BUILDING CODE REACHES OUT AND USUALLY MAKES CONTACT WITH HIM, IT USUALLY GETS TAKEN CARE OF, OF, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S MORE, WE'RE REACHING OUT TO PEOPLE THAT ARE LAZY.
WE'RE NOT REACHING OUT TO PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO RETURN TO MEADOW.
THERE WAS THE WOMAN, I DON'T REMEMBER HER NAME, WHO CAME AND SPOKE AT THE MEETING.
SHE'S VERY FRUSTRATED BECAUSE SHE'S LIKE, IF YOU ENACT THIS, YOU'RE GONNA COME AFTER ME.
BUT I GUESS WE WOULD'VE THE T TWO IF WE WANTED TO.
NO, WE'RE NOT OUT POLICING IT.
IT'S WHEN WE GET A COMPLAINT AND THE TIMES WE'VE PROBABLY GONE OUT TO HER HOUSE IS BECAUSE HER NEIGHBOR HAS COMPLAINED.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE THE BALANCING ACT BETWEEN ANY OF THESE ORDINANCES THAT WE ADOPT.
CAN WE ADD TO THIS ANYTHING THAT TALKS ABOUT NATIVES VERSUS INVASIVES AND A PLACE FOR THEM TO FILL THAT UP THAT WE'D RECOMMEND? YEAH, I THINK PUTTING SOME SORT OF LOOK AGAIN, THIS IS A, A GRASS AND WHEAT CUTTING ORDINANCE.
IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
SO AGAIN, WE SHOULD STRIVE FOR THAT.
AND IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S LANGUAGE OUT THERE THAT YOU HAVE OR YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE SAME MANNER, BRING IT IN AND LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT.
BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, THIS IS JUST A GRASS CUTTING ORDINANCE.
UH, WHAT IS CONSIDERED WE ANYTHING YOU DON'T WANT
IT'S ANYTHING THAT YOU DON'T WANT GROWING.
THERE'S A WHEAT, WHICH ALSO INCLUDES GRASS.
IF IT'S GROWING WHERE YOU DON'T WANT, WHERE YOU DON'T WANT IT.
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IT'S A VERY BROAD EXPLANATION.IT'S LIKE THE SUPREME COURT DEFINITION, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SEE IT.
SO LIKE I JUST MENTIONED JOE PIE, WEED, IT'S CALLED WEED.
IT'S WELL, AND THOSE ARE THINGS THAT IF WE, IF YOU NEED CLARIFICATION WITH THAT, THERE'S SOMETIMES LIKE THEY'LL SAY SIMPLICITY IS A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
I MEAN I'M JUST, I MEAN THE ENFORCEMENT HERE, YOU ON THE SIMPLICITY THING FOR THE PLASTIC BAG IS $50 FOR THE FIRST FINE.
AND YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE YOU, YOU, YOU WANT WITH ANY, WITH ANY ORDINANCE, INFRACTION, BUILDING CODE, INFRACTION ZONING CODE IN FRACTION, WE GO OUT OF OUR WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN COME TO SOME RESOLUTION.
IN WHAT, 10 YEARS, EIGHT YEARS I'VE BEEN IN THIS POSITION.
I HAVEN'T WRITTEN ANYBODY AN ACTUAL VIOLATION.
BECAUSE ANYBODY THAT WENT OUT AND SAID YOU'RE VIOLATING THE CODE OF 30 DAYS TO CLEAN IT UP.
I WORK WITH 'EM TO MAKE SURE THEY GET IT CLEANED UP IN 30 DAYS.
SO, I MEAN THAT'S ON US AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO UNTIL THE BOARD TELLS US, NO, YOU HAVE TO GO OUT THERE AND BE FIRM ABOUT IT.
AND WITHIN 30 DAYS BE THE JUSTICE I I SLIGHTLY CHANGING SUBJECTS.
I WOULD LIKE TO ELIMINATE AND BAN INVISIBLE FENCES.
BUT THAT'S ANOTHER TIME
I HAVEN'T GOTTEN FEEDBACK FROM BUSINESSES YET REGARDING
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THROUGH THIS, AND WE'VE TALKED TO OUR WEBSITE COORDINATOR, SHE HAS GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH LIKE THE ME MEDIA BOROUGH AND A COUPLE OTHER PLACES OF HOW TO ROLL IT OUT.
SO WHILE IT SAYS JANUARY 21ST IN HERE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE THE DATE.
EVEN IF WE WERE TO GET THIS ON THE BOARD'S AGENDA AND GET IT ADOPTED RIGHT AWAY.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE LATER BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE MEDIA SURE.
AND, AND LINDA FROM DANIELLY IS, UM,
UM, SHE, UM, SHE'S VERY GOOD AND VERY CAPABLE OF ROLLING THIS OUT SO THAT WE MAKE PEOPLE AWARE.
SO WHAT'S THAT ON SOCIAL MEDIA? MAKE IT A SMOOTH NO, IT'S, IT'S OUR WEB.
WELL SHE DOES OUR SOCIAL MEDIA.
YOU KNOW IT BETTER THAN I RIGHT.
SHE'S KIND OF LIKE OUR MULTIMEDIA COMMUNICATIONS PERSON FOR RIGHT NOW.
SHE'S A THIRD PARTY CONTRACTOR THAT WE HAVE.
I MEAN THE GOOD THING FOR US WITH THIS PLASTIC VAN IS WE'RE NOT THE FIRST ONE DOING IT.
EVEN THE BIGGER NATIONAL CHAINS OR PROBABLY HAVE PRODUCTS ALREADY OUT THERE AND MAYBE ARE EVEN USING THEM, YOU KNOW, CONVINCING PEOPLE TO MOVE OVER TO SOMETHING MORE REUSABLE LIKE CANVAS.
AND IT'S JUST A START, RIGHT? BECAUSE I HEAR ALL THE TIME I MENTION TO PEOPLE, WELL YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET RID OF THE COOL CONTAINER.
YOU'RE NOT GETTING RID OF THAT.
AND I SAY, YEAH, BUT IT'S A START.
WE'RE STARTING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STARTING, YOU KNOW.
'CAUSE YOU SEE 'EM EVERYWHERE AND THEY BLOW EVERY, THEY BLOW EVERYWHERE.
THEY'RE IN A WE, YOU KNOW, IN THE BUSH REDUCE RATHER THAN ELIMINATE.
THERE'S JUST SOME THINGS, AND I'M SURE IT'S IN THIS ORDINANCE THAT EXCEPTIONS TOO.
WE GOT ANOTHER MEETING DURING 10 MINUTES.
WELL, SORRY, GUY WAS THAT'S NINE MINUTES.
6:00 PM PM 6:00 AM HEY, I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE 6, 6 30.
HEY, I THOUGHT IT WAS STU BECAUSE I'M SO SPOIL.
I NEED TO DO WE HAVE TO ADJOURN? YES, THEY HAVE TO ADJOURN.