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[CALL TO ORDER / MOTION TO APPROVE SEPTEMBER 4, 2024 AGENDA]
TO ORDER THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP FOR WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 4TH.AND, UH, WE'LL GET THIS STARTED BY, UH, UH, LOOKING AT THE AGENDA AND, UM, UH, APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR, UH, THIS EVENING.
UH, NICOLE, YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT? YES.
SO, UH, I'LL TAKE A MOTION OR ANY ITEMS YOU WANT TO ADD OR SUBTRACT, UH, FROM THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.
ALRIGHT, BOB, IT'S MADE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
WE MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS. THESE WOULD BE THINGS THAT ARE NOT ON THIS EVENING'S, AGENDAS.
ANY COMMENTS? ANY QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE.
WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE MINUTES FROM,
[GENERAL DISCUSSION ITEMS]
UH, AUGUST 7TH AND AUGUST 21, WHICH ARE ATTACHED IN YOUR PACKETS.IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO, UH, REVIEW THEM.
IF, UH, ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY COMMENTS, UM, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
IF NOT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR AUGUST 7TH AND THE 21ST.
I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR AUGUST 7TH AND AUGUST 21ST.
UH, DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
SO WE'VE APPROVED BOTH OF THOSE.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO APPLICATION SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THOSE ARE NEW ONES, RIGHT, JEFF? RIGHT.
UH, NOT EVEN ANY UPDATES IN TERMS OF REVISIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AT THIS POINT.
DO YOU WANT TO DO THE APPLICATIONS TO BE HEARD TONIGHT? YEAH, WE CAN.
WELL, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS VERY, VERY QUICK.
I, I HANDED OUT THE LIST OF THE ACTION ITEMS AND THE PRIORITY THE MOST OF YOU HAVE SIGNED.
WE'RE
UM, SO WE'VE GOT SORT OF A CONSENSUS ON SOME OF 'EM.
WE'LL WAIT UNTIL, TOM, I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU WHEN WE'RE DONE HERE.
AND THEN, UM, I'LL SEND THAT AROUND THIS WEEK AND WE WILL FOLD IT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WORK TOWARDS THAT SO THAT WE'LL HAVE IT IN A FULL TEXT FORM FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
AND HOPEFULLY AT THAT POINT WE CAN MOVE IT ON TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
I HAD, UM, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FROM THE OVERVIEW.
DO WE WANNA HOLD THAT TILL THE NEXT MEETING? NO.
WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT TAKE SOME TIME.
WHY DON'T WE JUST HOLD IT TILL THE NEXT TIME.
QUESTIONS ARE GONNA GO ANYWHERE.
AND IF YOU WANT TO EMAIL THEM TO ME, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
AND THEN I CAN, YOU KNOW, PUT EVERYBODY ON THERE AND WE CAN HAVE A DIALOGUE ABOUT IT.
[APPLICATIONS TO BE HEARD ON September 4, 2024]
NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE APPLICATIONS WE'RE GONNA HEAR THIS EVENING.AND THE FIRST ONE IS 7 81 COLLEGEVILLE ROAD.
ANYBODY HERE REPRESENTING THAT GROUP FIRST? I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT IT IS ACTUALLY 7 81 SUB TRAP ROAD.
I HAD A POST VACATION BRAIN LAPSE.
SO WHEN I WAS MAKING THE AGENDA, SO I, SO WHAT IS IT AGAIN? IT IS 7 81 SOUTH TRAP ROAD, SOUTH TRAP ROAD.
WHICH LISTED AS THE PROPERTY ADDRESS.
AND WHO'S REPRESENTING IT? IDENTIFY YOURSELF, NAME AND ALL THAT STUFF.
HI, JUSTIN STRAYHORN WITH WB HOMES.
IT'S NICE TO SEE A COUPLE OF YOU AGAIN.
ALONG WITH ME THIS EVENING IS SIDNEY JONES, ALSO WITH WB HOMES.
UH, JEFF, COULD WE GO TO THE, THE TWO FILES I SENT YOU? MM-HMM.
UM, WE ARE THE EQUITABLE OWNER OF 7 81 SOUTH TRAP ROAD, AS HIGHLIGHTED ON THE AERIAL CONTACT PLAN THERE, UH, TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PARENT, WE DO HAVE FRONTAGE ON SOUTH TRAP ROAD.
AND THEN AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY THERE IS FRONTAGE ON PERSIMMON DRIVE.
THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY THE MEADOWS AT PROVIDENCE, UM, COMMUNITY.
IT'S JUST UNDER NINE ACRE PARCEL.
HISTORICALLY, IT'S BEEN AG USE AS MOST OF THE GROUND AROUND IT.
THERE IS AN EXISTING HOME, UH, ALONG, UH, SOUTH TRAP ROAD, AN EXISTING BARN ON THE PROPERTY.
OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S MOSTLY JUST MOAN MEADOW AT THIS POINT.
A COUPLE TREE LINES, SOME, SOME VEGETATION AROUND, UH, THE, UH, OUTBOUNDS OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, THE CURRENT ZONING OF THE PROPERTY IS R ONE RESIDENTIAL AG.
THAT IS THE SAME ZONING AS THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY AROUND IT, SO IT'S ALL R ONE AG ZONING.
UM, JEFF, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND GOING TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
OUR PROPOSAL IS TO DEVELOP THE GROUND UNDER THE R ONE AG ZONING.
WE ARE NOT SEEKING ANY RELIEF FOR THE PROPERTY.
UH, QUICK OVERVIEW OF OUR PROPOSAL.
WE WOULD PROPOSE TO SUBDIVIDE THE GROUND INTO SEVEN LOTS.
THAT WOULD BE SIX NEW BUILDING LOTS, CREATING THE SEVENTH LOT FOR THE EXISTING HOME ON SOUTH TRAP ROAD AS A CONFORMING LOT.
BASICALLY A SINGLE CUL-DE-SAC INTO THE
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PROPERTY.UM, AS IT STANDS NOW, IT'S PROPOSED.
IT'S A 32 FOOT WIDE CART WAY SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES.
THE SIDEWALK DOES CONNECT TO PERSIMMON DRIVE.
THE ONE LOT AT THE BACK IS A LITTLE LARGER.
WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE STORMWATER FACILITY ON ONE LOT RATHER THAN SHARING LOTS.
SO IT'S BASICALLY SEVEN LOTS, SIX NEW HOMES THAT WE WOULD BUILD.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS TO BE SERVED BY PUBLIC SEWER AND PUBLIC WATER STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, A SERIES OF IN ENDLESS PIPES, SWALES, AND A STORMWATER BASIN.
AGAIN, THIS IS A SKETCH PLAN THAT HASN'T BEEN FULLY ENGINEERED AT THIS POINT, BUT THAT IS THE IDEA, UH, IN TERMS OF THE HOMES TO BE BUILT.
UM, 3,500 TO 3,900 SQUARE FEET, TWO TO THREE CAR GARAGE SIDE LOADED, FOUR BEDROOM, UH, OPTIONAL FLEX ROOM BATH.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS HOME.
OUR MEADOWS AT LONGVIEW PROJECT IS WELL UNDERWAY.
THE MODEL HOME IS UP AND THERE'S MULTIPLE HOMES FOR SALE IN THAT DEVELOPMENT.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PRODUCT THAT WE WOULD INTEND TO BUILD HERE, UM, THAT'S REALLY IT.
IN A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE PROPOSAL IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
UM, WE HAVE SUBMITTED THE TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN TO THE TOWNSHIP.
WE ARE IN RECEIPT OF THE TOWNSHIP CONSULTANTS TO REVIEW LETTERS.
WE INTEND TO COMPLY WITH THOSE LETTERS, WORK OUT THE DETAILS WITH THE TOWNSHIP CONSULTANTS AS WE GO ALONG.
UH, WE REALIZE THERE'S A LOT TO DO WITH LAND DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND SUBDIVISION.
THIS WAS MORE OF A SORT OF SMELL TEST.
ARE WE ON THE RIGHT TRACK? UH, WITH THAT SAID, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, AT THIS POINT AND REALLY THIS EVENING, JUST TO SEE IF WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK AND IF THERE WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD FOR THE TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN.
WHAT'S THE, UH, PROPOSED PRICING FOR THESE CHILDREN? IT WOULD PROBABLY BE IF THEY WERE GOING ON THE MARKET TODAY.
WHAT WERE AVERAGE SALE OF OUR MEADOW IS OF LONGVIEW IS 1.1 TO 1.3 MILLION.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO NOTE ON THE PLAN, WE, WHEN WE FIRST SAW THIS PLAN, WE ASKED, UM, WB AND JUSTIN TO BRING THE SEWER LINE OUT FROM PERSIMMON DRIVE OUT TO ONE 13 TO PICK UP THE POTENTIAL TO SEWER FOR OTHER HOMES OUT THERE.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO OTHER CONNECTION OUT THERE.
AND SO THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY TO REALLY CONNECT THROUGH THAT DEVELOPMENT.
I BELIEVE THERE'S EIGHT HOMES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY CONNECT TO THAT.
ANYBODY GOT QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I THINK, UH, JEFF SENT THIS AROUND TO US, UH, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
END OF, UM, AND I REALLY DIDN'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON IT, BUT I DID LOOK AT IT.
UH, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT.
UM, HOW ABOUT ANYBODY? NO, NO.
I JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS AND PHONE PLEASE.
UH, YOU MENTIONED THE, UH, CONSULTANTS REVIEW LETTERS.
THERE WAS JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT LOOKED LIKE IN THERE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU'D BE EXPECTED TO RESPOND TO.
YES, I THINK GOES FORWARD, LIKE THE WIDTH OF THE CART WAY AND SOME OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, YEAH, THAT WILL ALL GET DEFINITELY FLUSHED OUT DURING LAND DEVELOPMENT.
I, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER.
ANYTHING, ANYTHING FROM YOU FROM THE TRAFFIC STANDPOINT? UH, NO.
I MEAN, NOTHING, NOTHING MAJOR TO POINT OUT.
I MEAN, LIKE JUSTIN MENTIONED A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, COMMON THAT WE JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT AHEAD OF TIME, UM, TO MAKE THE APPLICANT ADJUSTMENT AWARE THAT, YOU KNOW, THINGS WE COORDINATE DURING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
SO, UH, BUT I ASSUME SHE, UH, YEAH, SHE DID YOUE.
SO ASSUME YOU GONNA APPLY TO WHATEVER HER SUGGESTIONS WERE.
SHE AND I SPOKE YESTERDAY IN, IN AGREEMENT WITH, WITH HER LETTER.
AND I DIDN'T SEE ANY MAJOR ISSUES FROM AN ENGINEERING PLANNING STANDPOINT WITH, UH, JEN'S LETTER.
NOW, THE HOUSE THE HOUSE THAT'S CURRENTLY ON, UH, ONE 13 FACING ONE 13.
IS THAT THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY OR WAS THE OWNER OF THIS? YES.
AND HE'S GONNA STAY AT IT, OBVIOUSLY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA STAY OR NOT.
I, WE, WE WOULD EVENTUALLY OWN IT AND THEN SELL IT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE BUYING THE ENTIRE PARCEL.
SO WE WOULD BUY THE HOUSE SUBDIVISION, MAKE THAT A CONFORMING LOT, AND THEN SELL THE HOUSE.
IT WOULD BE OUR SEVENTH HOUSE.
WE JUST WOULDN'T BUILD THAT ONE.
YOU YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING TO IT.
YOU'RE JUST GONNA SELL IT AS IS IT? THAT'S THE INTENT, CORRECT? NO.
WHENEVER THINGS SHOULD WE BE ASKING HERE, JOE AND ZONING, THERE'S QUESTIONS.
IT DOESN'T NEED ANY ZONING RELIEF.
SO AS A
SO, UH, YEAH, I MEAN, UH, IT LOOKS MOVE FORWARD.
I GUESS THERE'S FULL STEAM AHEAD.
IS THAT A, THAT IS A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION? THAT WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION.
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WELL, WE'LL WE'LL TAKE A VOTE ON IT, BUT I DON'T SEE, UH, THE POINT IS I DON'T SEE, WE DON'T SEE A LOT OF THINGS TO COMMENT ON.TO MAKE, UH, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO DO OFFICIAL VOTE TO SEND IT OFF TO, UH, SUPERVISORS.
UM, IS THAT NEXT, JOE? SHALL WE DO THAT? DO, UH, GET THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR, THEN WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S PUBLIC COMMENT.
IT'S MUCH IMPROVED FROM THE WAY IT USED TO GO RIGHT THROUGH ONE ROAD TO THE NEXT.
ANY, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? YES.
HI, UM, NAME IS MARK YUAN, UH, 23 SECOND LEAF COURT.
I, UM, I'M UP AT THE NORTHERN CORNER OF THE, UH, OF THE LOT THERE.
AND I ALREADY SPOKE WITH JUSTIN, JUST HAD A CONCERN ABOUT WATER DRAINAGE ON THE TOP NORTHERN PART OF THE FENCE LINE.
VERY COMFORTABLE WITH, UM, WITH THE RESPONSE I HAVE FROM WB.
WE'RE GONNA WALK THROUGH IT, SO WE'RE ALL SET.
WHERE DOES, UM, AND, AND THE, THE, THE VOTE SCENARIO WILL BE ON, ON YOUR WEBSITE? IS THAT KIND OF HOW, HOW THIS WORKS? HOW WILL I KNOW WHEN THE PROCESS WILL BE TONIGHT IF THE PLANNING ADMISSION CHOOSES, THEY WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THEN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON THEIR SEPTEMBER 16TH MEETING.
IT WILL BE AN AGENDA IN THERE AND THEN THE BOARD CAN APPROVE IT AT THAT MEETING.
WE HAVE THREE LEVELS OF LAND DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S JUST SORT OF A PROOF OF CONCEPT, A SMELL TEST, LIKE JUSTIN SAID.
AND THEN THEY WILL GO AND THEY WILL ENGINEER THE WHOLE SITE.
AND, AND I, I COMPLIMENT YOU ON YOUR DRAWINGS, BY THE WAY, THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST HOMEWORK I'VE EVER SEEN ANYBODY DO ALL ON CONCERNS,
BUT, UM, AND I WILL, I'LL DISTRIBUTE THOSE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION SO THEY CAN SEE THEM TOO, TOO.
BUT, UM, IT IS, THEY, THEY WILL TAKE THAT AND THEY'LL DO A LOT OF ENGINEERING, HARD ENGINEERING AND DETERMINE WHERE THE WATER PERCOLATES, HOW, AND ALL OF THE, FOR TECHNICAL STUFF, THAT'S THE PRELIMINARY PLAN SET THAT COMES IN NEXT THAT WILL ALSO COME HERE AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
AND THEN THERE'S A FINAL PLAN SET, WHICH SORT OF, WE REFIGHTING ALL OF THE DETAILS AND THAT COMES HERE AND TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
SO AFTER TONIGHT, IF THEY MAKE A MOTION, YOU STILL HAVE FIVE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO SEE THIS PLAN AND TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT IT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A COMMENT? PUBLIC COMMENT? SO WE'RE GONNA, UH, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS TO, UH, SEND IT TO, UH, TO THE, UH, SUPERVISORS AS A RECOMMENDATION IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE THAT, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION, BUT WE, UH, MOVE IT ALONG TO, UH, THE NEXT STEP.
SO BOSS MADE A MOTION TO MOVE IT TO THE SUPERVISORS AS A RECOMMENDATION FOR A PLAINTIFF COMMISSION TO MOVE FORWARD.
OKAY, SO, UH, NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE THIS OUT.
CHRISTIANA IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM.
WE'VE SEEN THIS A COUPLE TIMES.
MAYBE JERRY HASN'T, 'CAUSE HE'S SORT OF NEW TO IT, BUT, UM, IT'S, IT'S A FINAL PLAN.
THEY'VE MET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS AND ALL OF THE, THE CONCERNS OF THE, OF THE, OF THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEER.
SO IT'S A CLEAN PLAN AND UH, THEY HAVE SOME OUTSIDE AGENCY APPROVALS THEY HAVE TO GET.
BUT FROM OUR STANDPOINT, IT'S A CLEAN FINAL PLAN.
AND THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S DOWN FROM, UM, ALPHA ROAD, RIGHT? YES.
IT'S ON, IT'S ON 29 SOUTH OF PER BOULEVARD.
SO YOU WANNA COME UP AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND, AND, UH, GOOD EVENING.
AND SO, AS MR. GRACE SAID, UH, WE WORKED WITH THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEER, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE REVISIONS TO MAKE ON THE PLAN.
WE BELIEVE WE SHOULD HAVE THE PENDOT APPROVAL SHORTLY.
THE LAST REVIEW LETTER BASICALLY HAD A MINOR COMMENT ON, UH, A GORE AREA, UH, AND TO GET A CERTIFIED MAIL RECEIPT LETTER BACK, WHICH WE DID.
SO I EXPECT THAT APPROVAL SOON.
WE DO STILL NEED, UH, PLAIN MODULE APPROVAL, BUT I EXPECT THAT SOON FROM DDP AS WELL.
UH, WE DO HAVE A FEW WAIVER REQUESTS, UH, THAT I DON'T BELIEVE THE ENGINE ENGINE.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK ENGINEERS TYPICALLY ENDORSE THEM, BUT THEY, THEY DID NOT, UH, SAY THAT THEY OPPOSED THEM.
I'M HAPPY TO READ THROUGH THOSE IF YOU'D LIKE.
SO THE FIRST, IT HAS TO DO WITH THE PIPE SIZE FOR STORMWATER, UH, THE CODE S FOR 15 INCH RCP, UH, OR REINFORCED CONCRETE PIPE.
AND WE HAVE SOME AREAS OF 12 INCH HDP, WHICH IS PLASTIC PIPE.
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DO SHOW, UH, CALCULATIONS THAT THE 12 INCH IS MORE THAN SUFFICIENT FOR THOSE AREAS.AND THAT IS TYPICAL OF PROJECTS LIKE THIS IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.
TYPICALLY ONLY PENDOT IS, IS ONE WHO REQUIRES CONCRETE EVERYWHERE AND EVEN THEY ACCEPT HT P IN SOME LOCATIONS.
UH, SO THAT'S ONE WAIVER IS TO USE THE HTP AND 12 INCH INSTEAD OF 15 INCH RCP.
UH, THE NEXT WAIVER, UH, IS IT SAYS TO ALLOW PERPENDICULAR PARKING ALONG THE CURB OF A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY.
AND I SAY TO THE EXTENT THAT THIS WAIVER IS EVEN NECESSARY, THE CODE SECTION SAYS, UM, IT RESTRICTS PARKING ALONG LOCAL, PUBLIC OR PRIVATE ACCESS ROADS OR STREETS.
SO TO ME, THIS IS A DRIVEWAY FOR ONE PROPERTY AND NOT A PUBLIC OR PRIVATE RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, HOWEVER, UH, IF THAT CODE SECTION DOES APPLY, THEN IT'S BASICALLY THOSE PARALLEL SPACES IN FRONT OF BUILDING ONE AND TWO, WHICH HAVE BEEN ON THE PLAN SINCE THE TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN.
SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE HAS BEEN ANY OBJECTION TO THOSE.
UH, BUT NOW AS WE GET INTO FINAL PLAN AND, AND GO WITH THE FINE TOOTH COMB THROUGH THE CODE, THIS ONE IS, UH, IS A QUESTION THE, AND X-RAY SHOULD EVEN GO BACK TO THE ONE WITH THE STORMWATER PIPE.
THAT CODE SECTION ACTUALLY SAYS, UH, THAT, UH, SUBSTITUTIONS ARE ALLOWED, UM, OTHERWISE APPROVED BY THE TOWN ENGINEER.
SO EVEN THAT I'M NOT SURE, IS A NECESSARY WAIVER BY THE BOARD HELD FIRM.
I'M HERE, UH, IN CASE YOU BELIEVE IT IS.
THE THIRD ONE IS TO PROVIDE A RA RADII LESS THAN FIVE FEET FOR A PARKING ISLAND.
UH, THERE'S JUST ONE ISLAND THAT IS LESS THAN FIVE FEET.
IT IS THE ONE TO THE, I'M JUST GONNA SAY UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER OF BUILDING THREE ON THAT PLAN, I BELIEVE IT'S A THREE AND A HALF FOOT RADIUS INSTEAD OF FIVE.
THERE IS A, A WALKWAY THAT GOES THROUGH THERE AND A HANDICAP RAMP.
MOST TIMES, UH, THE REASON YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A MINIMUM RADIUS IS, UH, YOU WANT TO HAVE ENOUGH AREA FOR A PLANET TREE.
IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A WALKWAY.
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WERE ANY OBJECTIONS FROM THE ENGINEERS FOR THAT.
AND THE LAST ONE WAS TO PROVIDE SIDEWALKS WITH A WIDTH OF, UH, LESS THAN FIVE FEET.
AGAIN, THIS IS TO THE EXTENT OF WAIVER IS NECESSARY.
UM, THE, AGAIN, THE CODE SECTION SAYS THAT IT'S INTENDED TO REGULATE WALKWAYS ON, UM, FOR PUBLIC SIDEWALKS.
THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK IN THE RIGHT OF WAY IS SHOWN AS FIVE FEET.
IT'S ONLY THE WALKWAYS INTERIOR OF THE SITE THAT ARE SHOWN US FOUR.
UH, EVEN PEN ALLOW SECTIONS OF FOUR FEET AND EVERY 200 FEET.
IF YOU HAVE A FIVE BY FIVE AREA TO TURN AROUND, WHICH WE DO IN FRONT OF BOTH OF THE BUILDINGS.
UH, SO WE WOULD MEET ALL A DA REQUIREMENTS.
UH, SO THOSE ARE THE, THE FOUR WAIVER REQUESTS TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY ARE NECESSARY.
MR. Y THOSE ARE REFLECTED ON YOUR AUGUST 15TH LETTER? YES.
WE, UH, WHEN WE LAST SUBMITTED, WE SUBMITTED TWO LETTERS.
ONE WAS A WAIVER REQUEST LETTER THAT HAS THOSE FOUR.
AND THE OTHER WAS THE COVER LETTER, UH, SHOWING HOW IT RESPONDED TO THE ENGINEER'S REVIEW LETTERS.
UM, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE YOU'VE BEEN HERE.
HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN? IT'S BEEN ABOUT RIGHT ABOUT A YEAR.
THERE'S, UH, HOW MANY APARTMENTS ARE IN EACH BUILDING? TWO, TWO IN EACH BUILDING.
IT SAYS APARTMENT ON THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR.
IS THAT, IS THAT ONE APARTMENT ON EACH FLOOR? YES, ONE ON EACH FLOOR.
I BELIEVE THAT'S THE LIMIT THAT THE CODE ALLOWS US TO.
SO YOU GOT EIGHT APARTMENTS TOWED? YES.
HE, HE, AND MAYBE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
DO YOU THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH PARKING? 'CAUSE YOU HAVE BUSINESSES ON THE FIRST FLOOR, RIGHT? YES.
THAT'S THE PLAN THAT'S HAVE SOME SMALL BUSINESS ON THE FIRST FLOOR? YES.
AND AGAIN, APOLOGIZE IF I DON'T REMEMBER.
UM, I DON'T REMEMBER ALL THE DETAILS.
UM, ANY OF THOSE FIRST FLOOR BUSINESSES GONNA BE RESTAURANTS? RIGHT NOW? THEY ARE, THE ZONING IS FOR OFFICE STATION.
SO IF IT WERE TO BE A RESTAURANT, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU AND PROVIDE ENOUGH PARKING FOR A RESTAURANT.
SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S LIMITED USES THAT CAN BE PUT IN THAT OFFICE.
SO RIGHT NOW YOU'RE NOT PLANNING A RESTAURANT THIS SAKE FOR, FOR, FOR THE SAKE OF, CORRECT.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT A SMALL OFFICE INSURANCE COMPANY, DOCTOR'S OFFICE, SO LIKE THAT RIGHT.
AGAIN, YOU HAVE ENOUGH PARKING FOR ALL THAT? YES, WE MEET THE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, ALTHOUGH WHAT I OFTEN HEAR THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS SAY FOR PROPERTIES LIKE THIS, I'D SAY THIS ONE'S ARGUABLY CLOSE TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
I DO SEE PEOPLE WALKING ALONG 29 SOMETIMES GOING TO BUS STOPS.
BUT MY GUESS IS A LOT OF THAT PARKING LOT WILL BE EMPTY.
IT IS, IT IS IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS IS FINAL APPROVAL.
SO THEY HAVE PRELIMINARY PLAN APPROVAL.
SO WE CAN'T CHANGE THE PARKING.
I'M NOT, I'M JUST TRYING TO REFRESH FOR MY OWN MEMORY.
WE'RE NOT GONNA BEAT IT UP OR ANYTHING.
I'M JUST TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT WAS GOING ON.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER ISSUES? NO.
SEE, ANYTHING THAT WE HAD MENTIONED ON
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THE FIRST OR THE LAST TIME HE WAS HERE? THEY ARE NOTATED ON THE PLAN NOW.ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD OR? I THINK, UH, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, THEY SATISFIED ALL OUR, UM, COMMENTS THAT THE LAST TWO WAIVERS THAT HE MENTIONED REGARDING THE SIDEWALK AND THE RADI, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THOSE FROM A ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE.
UM, AND JUST A REMINDER TOO, SINCE IT'S BEEN A WHILE AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT, THE FRONTAGE WAS SET UP AND COORDINATED, UH, WITH MR. YOUNG THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS TO ENSURE THAT YOU HAVE SUFFICIENT SPACE FOR THE MULTIPLE LANES ANTICIPATED SOUTHBOUND DIRECTION OF 29.
SO ALL THAT WAS WORKED OUT THROUGH, UM, THE APPLICATION PROCESS.
WE WERE SATISFIED WITH HOW THAT TURNED OUT.
DID, DID JEN OPINE ON THE WAIVER REQUESTS? NO.
SHE, SHE DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEM? SHE DID NOT.
NO, SHE, HER LETTER GENERALLY SAYS LIST THEM, BUT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING WRONG.
SO I'LL TAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS.
UH, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY OF THIS, NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ONE.
SO WITH THAT, UH, I'LL TAKE A PROPOSAL TO PASS THIS ON TO SUPERVISORS FOR THE, WHICH PD IS THIS? THIS WOULD BE FOR SEPTEMBER 16TH ALSO? YES.
THIS WILL BE ON THE 16TH WITH THEM ALSO.
SO, UH, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO, UH, FORWARD THIS ON WITH A HIGH FLYING RECOMMENDATION.
I'LL, I'LL MOTION THAT WE MOVE FORWARD.
JERRY'S MADE A MOTION TO, UH, TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, 1731 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD, UH, AS FINAL PLAN OFF TO THE SUPERVISORS.
UH, DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND BOB.
SO, UH, WHAT'S NEXT HERE, JEFF? UH, THAT REALLY ROUNDS OUT OUR, OUR AGENDA.
THE, THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WILL BE ON THE 18TH OF SEPTEMBER.
UM, WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT AMELIA STREET AND, AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT NIGHT.
WELL WE, THE REASON I ASK IS WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE, RIGHT? NOBODY WANTS TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS AND WE ALREADY HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY, BUT NOBODY'S MAKING ANYTHING.
OR SHOULD I JUST STAY RIGHT HERE? NO, NO, NO.
COME UP, IDENTIFY YOURSELF, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND ALL THAT.
SO I LIVE, UM, 2 0 3 EGYPT ROAD.
YOUR, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.
OH, DAWN PERENCO, 2 0 3 EGYPT ROAD, MONTCLAIR, PENNSYLVANIA.
AND WE WERE INFORMED THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A 60 TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT.
THERE'S ON WHITAKER, THERE'S CURRENTLY AN APPLICATION PENDING.
IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
THEY PULLED OFF THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
IT, IT WAS, IT WAS PULLED OUT.
IT WAS NEVER PUT ON THE AGENDA.
THE AUGUST AGENDA SAID IT WAS LIKELY TO BE ON THIS AGENDA, BUT IT NEVER MADE THE AGENDA.
SO WHEN WE'LL BE ON IT, I, I REALLY DON'T KNOW.
THEY HAVE SOME TECHNICAL ISSUES THAT THEY NEED TO CLEAR BEFORE WE CAN PUT THEM ON AN AGENDA AND, AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY'RE GONNA MAKE THEM.
SO WHAT, WHEN IS THE THIS IS MY FIRST TOWNSHIP MEETING.
SO I JUST WANT TO KNOW, IS IT EVERY WEDNESDAY, LIKE THE FIRST WEEK? THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS ARE THE FIRST AND THE FOURTH, THIRD, THIRD GOT, I DON'T DO THIRD FIRST AND THE THIRD WEDNESDAYS OF EVERY MONTH.
AND THE, THE AGENDA COMES OUT ON THE TOWNSHIP'S WEBSITE ABOUT A WEEK BEFORE, USUALLY THE WEDNESDAY BEFORE IS WHAT I AIM FOR.
I WOULD SAY ANYTIME BETWEEN WEDNESDAY AND FRIDAY.
REALLY NO LATER THAN FRIDAY AT NOON.
SO YOU CAN CHECK THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE MEETING AT NOON AND LOOK AND SEE IF IT SAYS ACTION ITEMS OR APPLICATIONS TO BE HEARD.
IT'LL LIST WHAT THOSE, WHAT WE'RE HEARING, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT DAY.
SORRY ABOUT THAT, THAT YOU MISSED THAT.
BUT, UH, ANYBODY ELSE HERE FOR THAT REASON OR FOR THAT? OH, OKAY.
SO WE HAVE, WE HAD A PRELIMINARY MEETING WITH THEM, UM, THIS WEEK.
AND, UH, THEY, THEY HAVE SOME HURDLES TO CLEAR BEFORE THEY COULD EVEN BRING THE APPLICATION IN.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT MIGHT TAKE.
THERE'S REALLY, WE HAVE NO PLAN IN FRONT OF US.
JUST KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE AGENDA FOR WHEN IT POPS ON THERE.
THIS BOARD, WE'RE NOT EVEN, I DON'T THINK WE'RE THAT FAMILIAR WITH IT OR AT ALL.
TECHNICALLY THE APPLICATION IS FILED, BUT, AND, AND THE PLAN IS OUT THERE.
I CAN WITH A RIGHT TO NO REQUEST, WE CAN LET ANYBODY SEE IT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THEY HAVE SOME HURDLES TO CLEAR FOR LACK OF A, I MEAN IT'S JUST A
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BIG TECHNICAL ISSUE.SO, SO SORRY THAT, UH, THAT YOU'LL KEEP ON FOR THAT.
DO YOU WANT QUESTION? MY NAME IS CLAUDIA WHO BRING IN 2 2 4 EGYPT ROAD.
UM, SO IS THE AGENDA ON THE WEBSITE THE ONLY WAY TO KNOW THE UPCOMING TOPICS? YES.
WHAT I TRY TO DO IS, IS UNDERNEATH EACH TOPIC, BECAUSE WE HAVE LIKE THE CURRENT APPLICATIONS, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE ALL OF THE PENDING APPLICATIONS THAT ARE ON THE, USUALLY ON THE SECOND PAGE.
AND LIKE FOR ONE 40 WHITAKER IT SAYS A DATE CAN BE DISCUSSED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO BE DETERMINED.
BUT THEN LIKE FOR AMELIA STREET TOWN HOME, WHICH WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, THE NOTE SAYS TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FROM SEPTEMBER 18TH, 2024 MEETING.
SO I, IF WHEN WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AT THE END OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING EVERY MONTH, I TRY TO KEEP IT ON HERE SO THAT YOU COULD LOOK AT THE AGENDA AND SEE WHAT MIGHT BE COMING UP.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE LAST MEETING IT DID MINUTES, WHICH IS, BUT SO I GUESS THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
IS THERE ANYWHERE ELSE TO MAKE SURE? NO, BECAUSE HONESTLY IT WASN'T PULLED OFF THE AGENDA TILL FRIDAY.
SO, AND THAT WAS A DISCUSSION, WELL MAYBE THURSDAY WHEN THE AGENDA WENT OUT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN WE IDENTIFIED THE TECHNICAL ISSUE AND WE SAID WE NEED YOU TO PULL YOURSELF FROM THE AGENDA.
THAT WOULD AND THEY DID WHEN WE WOULD KNOW THERE'S CHANGES AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW UNTIL JEFF SENDS IT OUT, LIKE HE SAID, A WEEK OR SO BEFORE.
NOW SOMETIMES LIKE THIS, WE'VE GOT SOME THINGS PLANNED.
WE, BUT THEY COULD BE CHANGED EITHER TOO.
RIGHT? JEFF? THEY CAN PULL OFF, YOU KNOW, AN APPLICANT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ON AN AGENDA IF THEY DON'T WANT TO BE, THEY CAN PULL THEMSELVES OFF TECHNICALLY AT ANY POINT IN TIME.
LEGALLY, I HOPE IT'S AT LEAST 24 HOURS BEFORE.
'CAUSE THEN I CAN ADJUST THE AGENDA FOR THE PUBLIC.
ONCE 24 HOURS BEFORE A MEETING, LIKE YESTERDAY AT SEVEN O'CLOCK.
SO I TRY TO HAVE IT UPDATED WHEN I KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHY SOMETIMES IT CHANGES BETWEEN THURSDAY, BUT I RARELY, I DON'T ADD ANYTHING TO IT AND IT'S THE ONLY THINGS COMING OFF.
SORRY AGAIN FOR YOU FOLKS TO COME ON.
NO, THEY WOULD RATHER BE HERE WITH US.
[DISCUSSION: FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]
JEFF, WE WERE SAYING, UH, PING COMMISSION FOR SEPTEMBER 18TH IS AMELIA STREET AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, OCTOBER 2ND IS GOING TO BE 2 12 0 1 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD.PROBABLY AN INTRODUCTION TO PARK HOUSE.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET TOO DEEP INTO PARK HOUSE.
ARE THEY GONNA, HAVE THEY GONNA HAVE A DRAWING OR ANYTHING? THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE THE, THE PLAN, THE TENTATIVE PLAN'S IN THAT THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY REVIEWING.
JUST TALKED TO THEM TO SEE IF THEY WANTED TO BE ON THE AGENDA.
I'M JUST KEEPING IT OUT THERE AS A POTENTIAL.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S OUR DROP DEAD DATE FOR RECOMMENDATION ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO ARE WE, UH, ANTICIPATING FOR BOTH OF THOSE MEETINGS? SO WE ANTICIPATING ATTENDANCE FOR THE PUBLIC A A BIG ATTENDANCE FOR THE PUBLIC? I, I WOULD ASSUME YES, FOR BOTH PARKHOUSE.
THAT'S WHY I WOULD LIKE TO TACKLE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I'M GONNA KEEP THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TOWARDS THE BEGINNING.
I, I THINK IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR 18TH, THAT WOULD JUST BE KIND OF LIKE, UH, HOPEFULLY IT'S THE FULL DOCUMENT.
AND, AND IF THERE'S ANY SORT OF TWEAKS THAT WE WANT TO DO, HOPEFULLY I HAVE THAT OUT TO YOU.
IN NEXT I'LL EMAIL YOU SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD.
I'LL EMAIL EVERYBODY AND SO THAT YOU CAN RESPOND TO THE THING BECAUSE I HAD READING THAT DOCUMENT I THROUGH, I CURRENTLY HAVE THE ZONING CLERK GOING THROUGH IT.
SHE SPENT THE LAST TWO DAYS GOING THROUGH IT AND SHREDDING IT.
SO SHE'S BLEEDING A LOT ALL OVER WITH HER RED PATENT.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT OR, UH, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE DROP DEAD DATE, JEFF? WELL, BY THE FOURTH, WE HAVE TO SEND, BY OCTOBER 4TH, WE HAVE TO SEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OUT TO ALL OF THE ADJACENT MUNICIPALITIES TO HAVE THEM REVIEW IT AND MAKE CO AND THEY HAVE 45 DAYS TO MAKE COMMENTS ON IT.
WE'LL ONLY GET COMMENTS FROM MONTGOMERY COUNTY, MAYBE CHESTER COUNTY, BUT WE HAVE TO GIVE EVERYBODY THE OPPORTUNITY.
SO OCTOBER 4TH IS 45 DAYS BEFORE THE HEARING, EXCUSE ME.
BEFORE THE HEARING, UM, IN NOVEMBER WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UM, ANOTHER QUESTION ON THE PARK HOUSE ON OCTOBER 2ND.
NOW, JOE, WILL YOU, UH, WILL YOU BE INVOLVED IN THAT OR ARE YOU GONNA STEP AWAY THAT I'M, I'M FULLY INVOLVED IN PARKHOUSE FROM THIS POINT FORWARD.
UM, THERE'S, UH, ZACH SSON FROM MY OFFICE IS GOING TO START ATTENDING PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS.
NOT BECAUSE IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH PARKHOUSE OR BEING AUTO PARKHOUSE, BUT HE'S JUST GETTING TO LEARN MY FILES AND I'M TEACHING HIM EVERYTHING AS A PART OF THE TRANSITION NEXT YEAR IN MY PRACTICE.
WELL THAT SHOULD ONLY TAKE, WHAT, A COUPLE DAYS, RIGHT? YOU'RE TEACHING HIM EVERYTHING.
UM, SO, UH, BUT NO, I'M, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ALL QUESTIONS ON PARKHOUSE.
YOU WILL BE HERE TO ANSWER ALL.
IF I'M NOT HERE PHYSICALLY, I'LL BE IN MY OFFICE, BUT I AM PARTICIPATING FULLY IN IT.
UM, JEFF, I HAVE A QUESTION ON WHAT THE APPLICATIONS THAT'S IN RIGHT NOW.
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QUEST REDEVELOPMENT, THEY WENT UP TO 1 22 STACKED NOTES.THAT'S WHAT, THAT WAS THEIR NUMBER.
I THINK THEIR PLAN SHOWED A NUMBER OF UNITS AND IT WAS CLEARED UP AT THE PLANNING, AT THE BOARD, MEETING THE UNITS.
THEY, THEY WERE CALLING ONE UNIT, EACH INDIVIDUAL UNIT, BUT IT WAS TOO STACKED IN THERE.
THAT'S NOT THE NUMBER THAT THEY USED WHEN THEY PRESENTED TO US.
I POINTED THAT OUT TO THEM REPEATEDLY.
AND, AND THEY, IT, IT'S, IT WAS AN ISSUE AND THE, AND THE BOARD ADDRESSED IT AND MOVED THE PLAN FORWARD, BUT, OR MOVED THE ZONING FORWARD.
SO YOU CAN CERTAINLY TALK TO THEM ABOUT IT WHEN THEY COME IN.
DID YOU GUYS MISS THAT? UM, I DIDN'T SEE THAT.
YOU JUST MENTIONED IT, BUT I I DON'T RECALL IT BEING 122 EITHER, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS 60.
I SAY WASN'T IT 60 TO 70, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WELL, THEY HAD, THEY HAD COME BACK FOR THEIR SECOND TIME AND SAID WE DOWNED.
I THINK WE HAD TALKED TO 'EM ABOUT, ABOUT THE ROAD LAYOUT.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH YOURS IN, UM, GALMAN? ARE THEY, UH, THEY'RE SLOWLY GETTING THEIR PLANS TOGETHER.
THEY, THEY HAVE FINAL PLANS INTO US.
UM, I WOULD SAY THERE'S SOME ISSUES WITH THE PLANS.
I KNOW MAYBE MORE SO FROM JEN'S OFFICE.
I THINK SHE, SHE HAD A MEETING LAST WEEK WITH THEM.
THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THOSE ISSUES.
AND THEN THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY, UH, IS ON THAT, UH, THE NEXT YEAH.
AND UH, I THINK THAT ONE WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE GONNA LOOK FOR A RECOMMENDATION ON THE, THE PLASTICS ORDINANCE TO SEND THAT FORWARD ON THE, THE GRASS CUTTING ORDINANCE.
AND THEN WE'VE HAD SOME INITIAL DISCUSSIONS ON THE, THE LOCAL CLIMATE ACTION PLAN WITH PENN STATE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JEFF OR JOE OR ANYBODY ELSE? ANTHONY? NOTHING.
WOW, WE DID THAT PRETTY QUICK.
NO, I THINK IT'S BEEN LIKE 20 MINUTES.
WELL, I MEAN, BUT I MEAN WE DID A LOT FOR HALF AN HOUR.
SO WOULD YOU LIKE US TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU? I THINK YOU ARE CHOMPING AT THE BID TO DO THAT.
NICOLE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING? I WOULD LOVE TO, YES.
UH, UH, YOU WANT TO OFFICIALLY SAY IT? I WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO HEREBY END THIS MEETING.
NICOLE HAS MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO END THIS MEETING.
ALL IN FAVOR OR SECOND? SECOND.
THANK YOU FOLKS AGAIN FOR COMING OUT THE JURY.