[CALL TO ORDER]
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I'M CALLING TO ORDER, UM, THE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP ORDER SUPERVISORS MEETING.
UM, LET'S STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE FLAG OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, FOR WHICH THE STATEMENTS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY JUSTICE.
[MOTION TO APPROVE BOARD AGENDA]
ASK FOR A MOTION FOR THE BOARD AGENDA.I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S BOARD AGENDA.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.
UH, WE HAVE A FEW SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS, BUT BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT, UM, I WANTED TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT.
I HAVE SOME FANTASTIC GRANT NEWS THAT I'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH EVERYONE.
UM, TODAY, GOVERNOR JOSH SHAPIRO ANNOUNCED A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT OF OVER 51 MILLION IN FUNDING FROM THE STATE'S MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION FUNDS TO SUPPORT 66 CRUCIAL TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS ACROSS 32 COUNTIES IN PENNSYLVANIA.
UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP WAS AWARDED 3 MILLION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A ROUNDABOUT AND A BRIDGE REPLACEMENT AT DRIVERLESS ROAD BLACKROCK ROAD, WHICH IS ONE 13 AND SECOND AVENUE.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK PERSONALLY GOVERNOR SHAPIRO, KATIE, UH, SENATOR KATIE MOTH, AND REPRESENTATIVE JOE WEBSTER FOR THEIR OUTSTANDING TEAMWORK AND SECURE SECURING THIS FUNDING FOR THIS IMPORTANT PROJECT.
THANKS ALSO TO OUR TOWNSHIP GRANTS TEAM IN HELPING PROVIDE THE IMPORTANT DOCUMENTATION TO SECURE THIS CRITICAL FUNDING AND OUR STAFF.
[SPECIAL PRESENTATION]
SO THE FIRST, UM, PRESENTATION IS FROM THE SCHUELL CANAL ASSOCIATION.ALRIGHT, SHOULD I, UH, STAND HERE? YES.
AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR OFFER, GENEROUS DONATION.
MY NAME IS CARLOS YE AND THIS IS JEREMY BROWER.
I'M THE PRESIDENT, RECENTLY ELECTED PRESIDENT, THIS KU CANAL ASSOCIATION.
WHEN I SAY RECENT, UM, ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING, JEREMY WAS ELECTED AS THE VICE PRESIDENT.
SO, UM, THERE'S BEEN SOME CHANGES THROUGH THE BOARD.
UM, SO WE HAVE A NEW VICE PRESIDENT, A NEW PRESIDENT, A NEW SECRETARY, AND A NEW UM, TREASURER.
THAT BEING SAID, THOUGH, WE STILL HAVE PLENTY OF THE FOLKS THAT YOU PROBABLY KNOW ON THE BOARD FROM WAY BACK IN THE STREET, BETSY AND DAN WAYNE AND, AND OTHERS.
SO WE'RE THE CANAL ASSOCIATES IS IN GOOD HANDS.
SO I WANT TO IMPART TO YOU TODAY IS THAT WE DO APPRECIATE YOUR DONATION AND THAT IT IS IN GOOD HANDS AND WHAT WE PLAN TO DO WITH THE MONEY THAT WE DO RECEIVE.
SO WE'RE GO THROUGH THE OBJECTIVES, WHO WE ARE, WHAT WE DO, AND WHAT WE PLAN TO DO IN THE FUTURE.
HOPEFULLY YOU ALL GET TO THIS AREA A LOT.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, I JOINED THE BOARD BECAUSE I LIVED IN THIS AREA A LONG TIME AGO.
AND, UH, WHEN I GOT SOME FREE TIMES, I STARTED SLOWING DOWN AT WORK.
I DECIDED TO JOIN THE BOARD AND I ALWAYS THOUGHT THE PLACE WAS A TREASURER.
THIS AREA OF THE CANAL ASSOCIATION AND THE PROPERTIES AROUND IT.
AND IF YOU WERE TO GO UP THERE AND SEE PEOPLE AND JOIN ME, JOIN IT.
SO FEW, A FEW ODD PICTURES IN HERE OF SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS.
YOU SEE THE CANAL HOUSE RIGHT THERE.
AND, UM, THIS IS THE BEST WAY OF TELLING YOU WHAT OUR OBJECTIVES ARE, RIGHT? SO THIS IS, THIS IS LIKE OUR GOVERNING BYLAWS.
UM, IT'S FORMED, YOU KNOW, A 5 0 1 3.
IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S TASKED WITH PRESERVING, MAINTAINING, AND THE RESTORATION OF THE CANAL.
IT'S SURROUNDING LANDS AND ITS HISTORIC STRUCTURES.
UH, IT PROVIDES FACILITIES FOR ENHANCED SETTINGS, UH, IN FORM OF PASS PASSIVE RECREATION.
WE'RE HERE TO HELP EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON THE LONG HISTORY OF THE CANAL.
AND WE'RE HERE TO OBTAIN SUPPORT FROM PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS YOURSELVES, AS WELL AS LOCAL STATE AND, EXCUSE ME, UH, ORGANIZATIONS, LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS YOURSELF, AS WELL AS STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS.
THAT PICTURE, THERE IS A PICTURE OF THE, UM, TAKEN FROM THE FOUR BAY IF YOU GUYS GET DOWN THAT WAY.
AND IF YOU'D BEEN THERE TWO YEARS AGO, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE HAD SUCH A CLEAN SHOT.
UM, THE COUNTY CAME UP WITH A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IT WAS REALLY COORDINATED WITH CHUCO CANAL ASSOCIATION TO CLEAN UP THAT FOUR BAY, MAKE IT HELP 'EM FUNCTION BETTER IN A CANAL.
IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE, VERY TIME CONSUMING WORK.
AND IF YOU GO DOWN THAT AREA NOW, YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, A GOOD WAY DOWN THE CANAL 'CAUSE OF THAT CLEANED OUT EFFORT.
SO HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS GET A CHANCE TO SEE THAT.
SO, UM, WHO WE ARE, WELL, WE'RE THE BOARD MEMBERS.
IT'S LIST OF 12 MEMBERS IN THE BACK.
I'VE HEARD THE APPENDIX INTRODUCED MYSELF AND JEREMY MENTIONED A FEW OTHERS THAT YOU MIGHT KNOW.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A, UM, WE'RE A, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MANY VOLUNTEERS DEPENDING ON THE EVENTS.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE EVENTS LATER.
UM, BUT OF COURSE WE CAN USE MANY MORE.
YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO RUN THIS ORGANIZATION, WE'VE GOT SOME REAL TOWERING STRENGTHS.
WE ALSO HAVE SOME WEAKNESSES THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS.
SO LIKE, KEEP THAT IN MIND AMONGST THE BOARD AND AMONGST OUR VOLUNTEERS.
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UM, DEPENDING ON THE EVENTS WE GET TO, WE HAVE DIFFERENT AMOUNTS OF VOLUNTEERS SHOWING UP, BUT SOMETIMES WE GOTTA CUT BACK ON SOME OF OUR EVENTS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH, UH, MEMBERS TO SUPPORT ENOUGH VOLUNTEERS TO SUPPORT THE EVENTS.LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THIS PICTURE HERE THAT YOU SEE HERE, RIGHT? THIS IS CANAL DAY EVENT CALLED, UM, CANAL J IT LOOKS PRETTY SIMPLE, RIGHT? LIKE JUST TWO GUYS WALK ONTO THIS THING AND TRY AND KNOCK EACH OTHER OFF INTO THE WATER, RIGHT? BUT THE EFFORT NECESSARY TO GET THAT, THOSE, UH, WELL, TO MAKE THOSE DOCKS, TO FLOAT 'EM DOWN TO THE AREA TO CENTER ALL UP REALLY TOOK, I DON'T KNOW, SPEAK TO HOW MANY MAN HOURS, MAYBE ALL OF THEM.
YEAH, LIKE A LOT OF MAN HOURS.
SO, YOU KNOW, BUT ANYWAYS, UM, SO WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR MORE VOLUNTEERS THAT WERE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR MORE BOARD MEMBERS.
UM, SPEAKING OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE HAVE STRENGTHS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE WEAKNESSES.
RIGHT NOW WE COULD USE HISTORIANS AND WE KEEP PEOPLE WITH LIKE A TECHNICAL APTITUDE.
AND WHEN I TALK ABOUT A TECHNICAL APTITUDE, I'M TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY A LITTLE BIT MORE UP TO DATE ON WEBSITES AND UM, YOU KNOW, CURRENT APPLICATIONS, YOU KNOW, ELECTRONIC APPLICATIONS, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO KEEP THAT IN MIND IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO VOLUNTEER, UM, WE'RE LOOKING TO EXPAND OUR MEMBER LIST.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A WONDERFUL PLACE, RIGHT? I TALK ABOUT HOW SPECIAL IT'S, TO ME, WE GET THERE 10 TO 20,000, YOU KNOW, 20,000 VISITORS A MONTH IN THAT PLACE DURING SOME UP TO A THOUSAND VISITORS A DAY.
UM, WHO ARE PARTNERS AND ALLIES? MONKO, THE COUNTY OF MONTGOMERY COUNTY, YOU GUYS, UM, I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD OF SCHU RIVER, GREENWAY, SCHU 2025.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE OF THIS OR NOT, I'M SURE YOU PROBABLY SOME PEOPLE ON THAT, UH, ON THAT GANG SO TO SPEAK.
BUT, UM, ARE YOU AWARE THAT 2025 WILL BE THE 200TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE, UM, SCUBA NAVIGATION SYSTEM? YEAH, THINK ABOUT THAT, RIGHT? 200 ANNIVERSARY.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED THE VOLUNTEERS TO TRY AND DO SOMETHING SPECIAL, UM, ON CANAL DAY FOR THAT.
UM, TRY AND EXPAND CANAL DAY FOR THAT.
SO, SO SKU 2025 IS RUN BY A, APPEARS TO BE A BUNCH OF HISTORIANS AND IT'S GONNA CELEBRATE IT.
LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE THIS CELEBRATION NEXT YEAR.
INCLUDE EVERYTHING FROM PORT CARBON ALL THE WAY DOWN INTO MANNY, WHERE ACTUALLY SOUTH PHILADELPHIA WHERE THE, UM, NAVIGATION SYSTEM ENDED.
ALRIGHT, WHO ELSE HAVE WE GOT HERE? SO, UH, WE GOT OF COURSE, ST.
MIKE'S
SO WHAT DID YOU WANT, WANTED TO PUT THERE IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T STAND ALONE, RIGHT? THERE'S A LOT OF LIKE-MINDED PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT US AND WE SUPPORT THEM.
WE'RE A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY AND VICE VERSA.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT OR COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, SO, UM, SO SIMPLY LIKE, WHAT DO WE DO? ALRIGHT, SO LIKE IF YOU WERE TO READ OUR LEASE OPERATING AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY, ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT WE DO HERE IS MAINTAIN LOCK 60.
IT'S THE LAST ONLY FUNCTIONING LOCK ALONG THAT CORRIDOR FROM PORT CARBON DOWN TO MATT YOUNG.
UM, IT'S KEPT IN WORKING ORDER BY, UM, I WOULD SAY WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT HALF OF THE BOARD.
WE GOT 12 BOARD MEMBERS, ABOUT HALF OF THEM DEDICATE THURSDAYS AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THURSDAY AFTERNOONS, EVENINGS AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS, THEY KEEP THAT THING CLEAR.
WE GOTTA HIRE EQUIPMENT HANDLERS, UM, PUMPS AND OTHER THINGS, AND A LOT OF MANPOWER TO KEEP THAT LOCK FUNCTIONING.
UM, ANOTHER THING THEY DO OF GREAT IMPORTANCE, THIS PICTURE'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE, BUT IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT PICTURE, BUT YOU SEE IS A COUPLE, COUPLE FELLOWS WORKING ON A, UM, CUTTING THE LAW, RIGHT? SO WE'VE GOT GUYS THAT ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO INTO CANAL ON DOCKS, ON BOATS, KEEP THE CANAL CLEARED.
GUYS, HAS ANYBODY HERE EVER CANOE DOWN KAYAKED HIGHLY, HIGHLY RECOMMEND, BUT THE REASON IT'S SO EASY TO DO IS BECAUSE OF FELLOWS LIKE JEREMY GIVEN UP THEIR FREE TIME TO DO THAT.
SO SOME OF YOUR MONIES GO TO THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
UM, WE NEED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, CHAINSAWS, FUEL, UM, TELESCOPIC HANDLERS, PUMPS, YOU KNOW, ALL SORTS OF STUFF.
SO I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.
THAT'S WHY IN, UH, IN, UM, I DID ACTUALLY HIGHLIGHT IT AND BOLD IT.
CANAL TREE REMOVAL IS A VERY BIG PART OF WHAT WE DO.
WE ALSO MAINTAIN THE GROUNDS AROUND THE, UH, CANAL HOUSE AND THE STORE PROPERTIES THERE BY MOWING, TRASH, UPKEEP AND, AND WHATEVER ELSE HAPPENS.
AND OF COURSE THERE'S THE ADMINISTRATIVE PIECE WITH ALL, UH, ALL, UH, THESE KIND OF, UH, ASSOCIATIONS.
ACCOUNTING, UH, PURCHASING TAXES AND THAT, THAT THING.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? ALRIGHT, NEXT IS A, UH, IS JUST A QUICK LIST OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO FOR COMMUNITY ADMINS, RIGHT? HOW WE'RE, HOW WE'RE, UM, HOW WE'RE INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY BIMONTHLY MEETING ONCE EVERY TWO MONTHS, THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETS.
IT'S THE, UH, SECOND TUESDAY OF THE SECOND MONTH.
UM, IF YOU HAVE ANYBODY BEEN TO LUMINARIA? YES.
ALRIGHT, THAT'S A LOVELY EVENT.
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UM, IT'S REALLY KIND OF JUST MAGICAL WITH ALL THE LIGHTS UP.IT'S, IT'S A LOW, IT'S A LOW EFFORT.
I WOULDN'T SAY LOW EFFORT, BUT HIGH IMPACT FOR THE, FOR THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.
UM, IT'S THE SAME DAY AS THE PHOENIX.
SO, UM, YOU CAN DO BOTH, BABY.
THE NEXT ONE'S COMING UP IN OCTOBER.
WE USE THE OPEN HOUSES USUALLY FOR LIKE A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE.
UM, WE HAD WORLD ORGANIZED SPRING AND FALL CLEANUPS, UM, SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS.
UH, THE BAN FILM FESTIVAL, THE
THAT'S WHY I PUT THEM IN THERE.
THE CANOE CLASS JUST HAPPENED LAST WEEK.
UM, IF YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS, THAT IS SOME SHORT CANOE RACES.
A VERY THAT HAPPENS IN THE OUTSIDE, RIGHT OUTSIDE THE FITS.
AND THEN, UH, WE'LL BE INVOLVED IN COMMUNITY FALL FEST, WHICH I UNDERSTAND I GOTTA SIGN UP FOR SOON AS I WAS LOOKING AT YOUR WEBSITE.
WHAT'S THE BATH FIELD FESTIVAL? THE BATH FIELD FESTIVAL TAKES PLACE AT IMMACULATA COLLEGE.
AND WHAT THAT IS, IS A, UH, IT'S A FESTIVAL.
IT'S IN THE LATE WINTER, EARLY SPRING WITH ALL THESE GREAT OUTDOOR MOVIES.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOLKS THAT WANTED TO WALK, YOU KNOW, FROM, YOU KNOW, ANTARCTICA TO MONTREAL, PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO GO HANG GLIDING SURFERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND OUR, AND HOW WE GOT INVOLVED, I'M NOT SURE HOW WE GOT INVOLVED, BUT HOW WE BENEFIT IS THAT THEY HAVE A, UM, UH, 50 50 AND, UM, AUCTIONS THAT WE GET THE PROCEEDS FROM.
SO, SO IT'S A FANTASTIC FUNDRAISER FOR US.
AND SOJOURN, YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT THAT IS, RIGHT? THAT GOES DOWN THE ENTIRE CANAL GOES BY OUR PLACE.
I GOTTA SAY THAT THE GOING THROUGH LOCK 60, WHICH WE WORK HARD TO KEEP IT OPEN, IS THE HIGHLIGHT FOR THEM.
THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE THEY GET TO DO THAT.
ALRIGHT, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO IN THE FUTURE? WELL, I MENTIONED THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND EXPAND ABOARD, GET THOSE, UH, SOME, THE EXPERTISE THAT WE'RE MISSING.
WE'RE GOING TO, UM, LOOK TO INCREASE MEMBERSHIP.
UH, WE ARE A MEMBERSHIP DRIVEN ORGANIZATION.
WE LOOK TO INCREASE VOLUNTEERISM.
WE'RE GONNA PARTICIPATE IN THE 200TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE SCHULL NAVIGATION SYSTEM.
UM, WE'RE GONNA LOOK TO MAKE CANAL DAY A BIGGER EVENT LIKE IT USED TO BE IN THE PAST.
BUT IN ORDER FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, WE GOTTA GET MORE VOLUNTEERS.
UM, WE'RE GONNA PUT PENNY IN THE WATER, WHICH MEANS THAT, UH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A BOAT THAT WAS MADE IN 19, I, I FORGOT I SHOULD'VE KNOWN THIS, YOU 1860? 1870.
IT, IT WAS IN THE WATER ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO.
WE'RE GONNA PUT IT IN THE WATER AGAIN FOR THE 2025.
OH MY, IF YOU GET TO WALK AROUND THERE, YOU SEE THIS PICTURE HERE.
UM, THE LONG TERM PLAN IS FOR US TO MOVE OUR ORGANIZATION INTO THIS COTTAGE.
THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON HOW HISTORIC IT IS AND WHAT THAT SHOULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, WE HAVE YOUR BOARD, WE WANNA FIX UP AGAIN.
FELL INTO A LITTLE BIT OF DISREPAIR.
AND THEN THERE'S A, UH, SOMETHING CALLED INVENTORY DOCUMENTATION WHERE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF STUFF THAT WE DON'T QUITE KNOW THE VALUE OF.
WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A LIST OF THAT.
WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE BOARD MEMBERS SO YOU CAN RECOGNIZE ANY, AND UNLESS ANY QUESTIONS I'M, UH, I'M GOOD.
DO YOU GUYS STORE DOCUMENTS AND UH, AND BOOKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS ABOUT THE CANAL TRIP OF THE PARTY? WE DO.
SO LIKE IF YOU GO TO THE CANAL HOUSE RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A, UM, SECOND FLOOR.
WE HAVE AN OFFICE ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND WE NEEDED TO GET A, DO A BETTER JOB OF DOCUMENTING WHAT'S IN THERE.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, IN OUR LEASE AND OPERATING, UM, AGREEMENT THAT WE JUST EXECUTED WITH THE COUNTY, WE HAD TO DO THAT BY EVERY YEAR.
SO WE'VE GOT A VERY SMALL COMMUNITY THAT'S GONNA START TO LOOK AT, LOOK AT THAT.
I, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE MORE OF THAT ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.
YOU MIGHT WORK, THINK ABOUT WORKING WITH THE AURORA FORD LIBRARY.
NOT, NOT DONATING TO COLLECTION, KEEPING IT, BUT, BUT PUTTING IT WITH THEM TO STORE.
UH, MAYBE EVEN, UH, GO THROUGH IT AND, AND DOCUMENT IT AND DO PROCESS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YEAH, THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S A NICE IDEA.
AND MAYBE THE THINGS TO THE LIBRARY, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I WAS, THINK ABOUT WALMART.
I RECENTLY DONATED THE WOMAN FROM, UH, THE ENQUIRER WHO DID THE BOOK LAST YEAR THAT CAME OUT ABOUT, I DONATED A COPY TO THE RO FOR LIBRARY AND I JUST NOTICED THEY WOEFULLY THIN ON LOCAL HISTORICAL DOCUMENTATION.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANYBODY ELSE? COMMENTS? I'LL COME DOWN AND GIVE YOU GUYS A CHECK.
THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.
AND I GO DOWN THERE AND WALK MY DOG ALL THE TIME RIGHT ON THE TRAIL.
SO THANK YOU FOR MAINTAINING IT.
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TO LOOK LIKE I GIVING.NOT, NOT TO LOOK TOO RUDE, TOO ANXIOUS.
ALRIGHT, NEXT WE HAVE ANOTHER PRESENTATION, UH, BY CBIZ, INVESTMENT ADVISORY SERVICES ON THE STATUS OF THE TOWNSHIP'S PENSION PLAN.
I SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THE CANAL TOO, SO BEING A RESIDENT OF PHOENIX FOLKS, THEY DID DO A GREAT JOB.
UM, SO THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR HAVING ME THIS EVENING.
I'M, I KNOW YOU HAVE A PRETTY PACKED AGENDA, SO I'M GONNA BE MINDFUL OF YOUR TIME.
I'M VICE PRESIDENT WITH CBI INVESTMENT ADVISORY SERVICES.
WE'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF WORKING WITH THE TOWNSHIP SINCE JUNE OF 2016.
SO WE JUST CROSSED OVER THE, UH, EIGHT YEAR, UH, MARK, WHICH IS PRETTY COOL.
SO WE HAVE A, A, SOME, SOME GOOD TRAILING HISTORY HERE.
SO, UM, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT PAGE FOR ME PLEASE.
I ALSO JUST WANT TO GIVE FOLKS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A REFRESHER OF WHAT WE DO, WHO WE ARE AND HOW WE DO IT AND WHY WE DO IT.
UH, THE NICE THING IS WE ARE AN INDEPENDENT FIDUCIARY INVESTMENT ADVISOR.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF OUR OWN PRODUCTS.
WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE PENSION PLAN, WE USE A LOT OF FUNDS THROUGH FIRMS LIKE VANGUARD AND BLACKROCK.
'CAUSE WE FIND IT TO BE VERY EFFICIENT FOR OUR CLIENTS.
AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH PA MUNICIPALITIES SINCE THE EARLY NINETIES.
SO WE REALLY SPECIALIZE IN WORKING WITH PENNSYLVANIA PENSION PLANS.
WE ALSO DO THE DEFINED CONTRIBUTION PLANS HERE AT THE TOWNSHIP.
I WAS JUST HERE TWO WEEKS AGO, MEETING WITH THE EMPLOYEES WHO CONTRIBUTE TO THE 4 57 PLAN, WHICH IS A SUPPLEMENTAL RETIREMENT PLAN, KIND OF LIKE A, THE WAY A 401K WORKS.
UH, WE ALSO MANAGE THE DEFINED CONTRIBUTION PLAN, UH, FOR THE NON-UNIFORM FOLKS AS WELL.
SO WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN, MEET WITH FOLKS ONE-ON-ONE, DO A LITTLE RETIREMENT PLAN AND GIVE SOME ADVICE, UH, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW WE CURRENTLY MANAGE ABOUT 3, 350 PENNSYLVANIA MUNICIPAL PLANS.
SO REALLY THIS IS THE SPACE THAT WE'RE IN.
UH, AS A MATTER OF FACT, I JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE EARLIER TODAY WITH YOUR ACTUARIES, UM, JOE DUDA, DOES THE POLICE PENSION PLAN MOCK AND HOP, DOES THE ACTUARY WORK FOR, UM, THE FIRE AND THE NON-UNIFORM DEFINED BENEFIT PLANS? UM, IT'S ALSO EASIER TO DO THESE MEETINGS WHEN IT'S GOOD NEWS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY HELPFUL.
BUT WE'RE GONNA BE HERE REGARDLESS.
UM, SO IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT PAGE FOR ME PLEASE.
UM, ONE THING I WANTED TO NOTE TOO, ACTUALLY, WE ALL, WE BASICALLY BUILT THIS AS A TURNKEY SOLUTION.
SO NOT ONLY DO WE WORK WITH THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE, WE ALSO WORK WITH THE RETIREES.
SO THE BEAUTY OF IT IS YOUR RETIREES WHO, WHO REALLY PUT IN THE TIME TO WORK HERE, UH, POLICE, FIRE, NON-UNIFORM, THEY CALL OUR OFFICE AND THEY CAN TALK TO SOMEBODY IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR PENSION PAYMENTS, THEY NEED TO MAKE CHANGES TO THEIR BANK ACCOUNT.
THEY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR 10 99.
WE HANDLE ALL OF THAT FROM SOUP TO NUTS THROUGH OUR OFFICE.
UM, AND THE BEAUTY OF IT IS THEY CALL 6 1 0 NUMBER AND SOMEBODY ANSWERS THE PHONE.
SO THAT'S, I THINK IN THIS DAY AND AGE, IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
SO WE, WE, WE EXTEND THAT SOMEWHAT LIKE AN EXTENSION OF STAFF.
UM, SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A SNAPSHOT, AND AGAIN, A LITTLE BIT MORE COLOR, UH, THE THREE PLANS THAT WE'RE MANAGING AND REFERENCING TONIGHT ARE DEFINED BENEFIT PENSION PLANS FOR THE POLICE, FIRE, AND NON-UNIFORM.
EACH OF THOSE PLANS ARE ALLOCATED THE SAME, MEANING THEY'RE INVESTED IN THE SAME TYPE OF WHAT WE CALL RISK PROFILE OR ASSET ALLOCATION.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS, ASSET ALLOCATION JUST MEANS HOW MUCH ARE WE WEIGHING TOWARDS STOCKS AND BONDS? AND YEARS AGO WHEN WE FIRST HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF WORKING WITH THE TOWNSHIP, WE DECIDED AS A TEAM TO USE A 70% STOCK AND 30% BOND ALLOCATION.
AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE WHEN YOUR ACTUARIES, YOU'RE DOING YOUR VALUATION, WHICH WE'RE COMING UP AT THE END OF A VALUATION YEAR, WHICH IS GONNA DETERMINE YOUR NEXT SET OF, UH, MINIMUM MUNICIPAL OBLIGATIONS.
SO WE'RE HOPING, UH, YOU KNOW, THE MARKET KIND OF ENDS THE WAY IT IS NOW, UM, WHICH WE'LL GET INTO IT A LITTLE BIT.
UH, BUT WE WERE TASKED WITH FINDING THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO HIT THE ASSUMED INTEREST RATE THAT YOUR ACTUARY IS USING.
AND REALLY ALL THAT MEANS IS YOUR ACTUARY IS USING A LOT OF DIFFERENT DATA TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH THE TOWNSHIP IS GOING TO HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE IN THE MMO.
AND ONE OF THOSE DATA POINTS IS WHAT THEY ASSUME THE PENSION PLAN IS GOING TO EARN IN INVESTMENT RETURNS OVER THE LONG RUN, ESPECIALLY FOR THE POLICE PENSION PLAN, WHICH IS IN PERPETUITY.
THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE FOREVER.
SO WE REALLY, REALLY LOOK AT THIS AS A LONG TERM, UH, TRAJECTORY.
SO WE WENT WITH THE 70% STOCK AND 30% BOND PORTFOLIO.
'CAUSE WE FELT THAT THAT WAS GONNA BE THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO TRY TO ACHIEVE
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THAT RETURN OVER THE LONG RUN.AND WE, AND WE HAVE, AND I'LL SHOW YOU THAT IN THE NEXT SLIDES.
SO HERE'S WHERE THE CURRENT SNAPSHOT IS, AND THESE ARE NUMBERS AS OF JUNE 30TH.
SO IT'S JUST THE FIRST HALF OF THE YEAR LOOKS EVEN BETTER OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, UH, SINCE THE START OF THE SECOND, OR I'M SORRY, THIRD QUARTER.
WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS, UH, THE ASSETS OF, AND THIS IS ALL THREE PAN PLANS SQUISHED TOGETHER.
UH, IT'S JUST OVER $30 MILLION AS OF THE END, UM, OF JUNE 30TH.
SO IF YOU CAN GO TO THE, THE NEXT SLIDE FOR ME.
SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THE SMALL NUMBERS, BUT IN THE GREEN BOX, THAT'S THE ACTUAL NET RETURN OF THE PLAN OVER TIME.
UM, SO THE SELECTED PERIOD THERE, THAT'S ACTUALLY YEAR TO DATE.
SO THE PLAN IS UP 6.84% NET AS OF JUNE 30TH.
AND THAT WAS AS OF, AGAIN, AS OF JUNE 30TH.
AS OF FRIDAY EVENING, IT'S JUST SHY OF 10%.
AND I SPOKE WITH, UH, YOUR ACTUARIES EARLIER, THE POLICE PLAN, UM, IT'S, IT'S 92% FUNDED ON THE ACTUARIAL SIDE, IT'S ABOUT 79% FUNDED, BUT THAT WAS AS OF THE 1 1 23 VALUATION.
AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE LAST YEAR COLUMN WHERE IT SAYS 16.72%, UM, THAT, THAT, UH, FUNDING LEVEL IS ACTUALLY EVEN BETTER BECAUSE HE TOOK IT A SNAPSHOT AS 1 1 23, BUT 23, WE WERE UP ALMOST 17.
SO THAT FUND, THAT, UM, FUNDING LEVEL LOOKS EVEN BETTER.
AND IF, AGAIN, IF THE MARKETS CONTINUE TO DO WHAT THEY'RE DOING THIS YEAR, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOUR VALUATION IS A SNAPSHOT EVERY TWO YEARS.
SO THEY'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT 2023 IN THE END OF THIS YEAR AND YOU'RE USING A 7% ASSUMED RATE.
SO, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE POLICE PLAN, UH, JOE DUDA ON THE ACTUARIAL SIDE, REALLY, HE'S SAYING WE NEED TO HIT A 14% TOTAL RETURN FOR THE MARKET IN THE PLAN FOR 2023 AND 2024.
AND WE'RE ALREADY UP, IF YOU INCLUDE FRIDAY NIGHT PLUS LAST YEAR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALREADY UP ALMOST 30%.
SO WE COULD HAVE SOME REALLY, REALLY COOL THINGS TO TALK ABOUT WHEN HE DOES YOUR VALUE OF THIS NEXT EVALUATION.
SOME OF THAT COULD BE REDUCING YOUR INTEREST RATE TO SOMETHING.
UM, AGAIN, 7% IS STILL PRETTY DARN GOOD.
UM, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF COOL THINGS TO TALK ABOUT WHEN THAT VALUATION PERIOD COMES INTO PLAY.
SO, SO FAR, SO GOOD THIS YEAR.
UM, WE'VE MADE A COUPLE OF TWEAKS IN THE PORTFOLIOS.
AGAIN, REALLY OUR GOAL IS TO OWN PRETTY MUCH EVERY STOCK AND BOND ACROSS THE ENTIRE GLOBE AT AN EFFICIENT COST USING, AGAIN, USING THOSE VANGUARD FUNDS.
WE'RE MORE WORRIED ABOUT, UM, UH, I LIKE TO CALL OUR STRATEGY AS ACTIVELY PASSIVE.
SO WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS WE'RE NOT PUTTING YOU IN AN INDEX FUND AND WALKING AWAY BECAUSE WE DO HAVE AN INTERNAL INVESTMENT COMMITTEE, UM, WHERE WE MAKE STRATEGIC DECISIONS THROUGHOUT THE WEEK.
SO WE MIGHT UNDERWEIGHT INTERNATIONAL STOCKS.
WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE BUYING LOW AND SELLING HIGH.
UM, IF YOU SKIP TWO SLIDES, ACTUALLY I HAD A SNAPSHOT.
UM, WE HAD NON-UNIFORM, POLICE AND FIRE.
THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH IDENTICAL BECAUSE THEY'RE THE SAME.
BUT I WANTED TO INCLUDE THEM ON HERE FOR YOUR GUYS' REFERENCE.
SO, UM, YEAH, IF YOU CAN GO TO THIS SLIDE, I WANTED TO KIND OF LET YOU PEEK INSIDE OF OUR ACTUAL REAL PROCESS, WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THAT, ALMOST ON A DAILY BASIS.
SO THIS IS, UH, WHAT HAPPENED FROM JULY 1ST THROUGH FRIDAY.
AND I, AGAIN, I I JUST SHOWED YOU THE FIRST HALF OF THE YEAR, BUT A LOT HAS HAPPENED OVER THE LAST THREE WEEKS.
THERE WAS A LOT OF VOLATILITY AT THE END OF THE, AT THE END OF THE SECOND QUARTER, THE, THE MARKET, THERE WAS A LOT OF TURBULENCE.
UM, AND WHAT WE DO IS WHERE YOUR MOST RETAIL INVESTORS, THEY'RE GONNA RUN THE OTHER WAY, RIGHT? THEY SEE ONE STOCK WENT UP, RIGHT, THE MAG SEVEN, EVERYBODY'S BEEN HEARING ABOUT THE BIG TECH COMPANIES THAT HAVE BEEN DRIVING THE MARKETS.
EVERYBODY KEEPS BUYING INTO THOSE.
AND THE STOCKS THAT ARE GOING DOWN, PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET RID OF THOSE.
WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING THE OPPOSITE.
WE'RE TAKING GAINS AND WE'RE BUYING MORE OF THE STUFF THAT'S ON SALE.
AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUAL STOCKS, I'M TALKING ABOUT THOUSANDS OF STOCKS.
AND IT'S IN A, IT IS A DEFENDABLE WAY TO DO IT BECAUSE IF YOU OWN 5,000 STOCKS, WE CAN SLEEP A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
WHEN, YOU KNOW, A DOOR BLOWS OFF A BOEING AIRPLANE, IT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA AFFECT ONE STOCK.
IT MIGHT AFFECT THE MARKET A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE AN OVERWEIGHTED UH, POSITION IN, IN BOEING, RIGHT? WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF DIFFERENT STOCKS.
SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO ARTICULATE HERE ON THE SCREEN, UM, IF YOU ZOOM OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT WHAT THAT GREEN BOX IS REPRESENTING, THAT'S THE GROWTH FUND.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE FUNDS THAT THE PENSION PLAN OWNS.
AND THE GROWTH ETF, IT'S A VANGUARD GROWTH, ETF, WHICH IS PRIMARILY BIG TECH, WHICH HAS BEEN DRIVING THE MARKETS.
IT WAS UP 50% LAST YEAR, AND AS OF JUNE 30TH, IT WAS UP OVER 9% SINCE JUNE 30TH, IT'S ACTUALLY GONE DOWN.
UM, WE ACTUALLY SOLD AT THE END OF THE QUARTER GROWTH AT A 9% GAIN.
AND IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE BOUGHT BONDS THAT WERE ON SALE.
SO SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE QUARTER, BONDS ARE ACTUALLY UP OVER 3.5% AND THOSE GROWTH STOCKS ARE ACTUALLY DOWN.
THAT'S REALLY THE PROCESS IN A NUTSHELL.
IT'S MUCH, MUCH MORE CONVOLUTED THAN THAT.
BUT IT'S GIVING YOU AT LEAST FROM A 10,000 FOOT VIEW, REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
UM, WE'RE UNDERWEIGHTING CERTAIN AREAS.
WE'RE TRYING TO FIND AREAS IN THE MARKET THAT ARE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO BUY LOW AND SELL HIGH.
A GREAT EXAMPLE IS WE HAVE AN ELECTION COMING UP.
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THAT HISTORICALLY THE MARKET HAS DONE VERY WELL IN ELECTION YEARS AND THE FOLLOWING YEAR, REGARDLESS OF WHO WINS, OKAY? BUT REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS TO THE MARKETS, THE BEAUTY OF IT IS THAT SINCE WE OWN EVERYTHING, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SOME AREAS GONNA GET HIT DIFFERENTLY IF THE ADMINISTRATION CHANGES OR CONGRESS CHANGES, RIGHT? UM, THERE'S GONNA BE CERTAIN AREAS OF THE MARKETS THAT MIGHT, UH, REACT DIFFERENTLY.AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WE'RE GONNA TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT BY EITHER BUYING LOW OR SELLING HIGH.
UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, THE MOST IMPORTANT DECISION THAT WE MADE WAS GOING TO THAT 70% STOCK AT 30%, 30% BOND.
UM, 'CAUSE I, ONE THING I'VE FAILED TO POINT EARLIER ON THAT SNAPSHOT PAGE, SINCE WE TOOK OVER IN 2016, THE PLAN WAS ACTUALLY UP ALMOST 8% ON AVERAGE.
AND THAT'S WELL ABOVE THE ASSUMED INTEREST RATE THAT, THAT YOU'VE BEEN USING IN THE PLAN.
AND WHEN WE SHOWED YOU OUR PROJECTIONS BACK THEN, THEY WERE ACTUALLY EVEN A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN THAT.
SO WE'VE ACTUALLY, AND I'M NOT SAYING LOOK AT WHAT WE'VE DONE, IT'S SIMPLY THAT'S WHAT THE MARKETS HAVE DONE, BUT WE HAVE PERFORMED BETTER THAN THE MARKETS USING THE MARKETS JUST BY INCORPORATING THESE STRATEGIES OF BUYING LOW, SELLING HIGH OVERWEIGHTING CERTAIN AREAS, UNDERWEIGHTING, ET CETERA.
AND IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WHAT'S ALSO VERY IMPORTANT, AND AGAIN WE'LL RE REFRESH THESE AT THE END OF THIS YEAR, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE VALUATION COMES UP, THIS IS OUR FORWARD LOOKING ASSUMPTION.
SO WE DO THIS EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
IT ALSO FACTORS INTO YOUR GASB STUFF, THAT FUN STUFF, UM, THAT WE PROVIDE THE DATA TO YOUR ACTUARIES.
THIS IS OUR EXPECTATION OF WHAT WE BELIEVE THE MARKETS ARE GOING TO DO OVER THE LONG RUN.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE BELIEVE US LARGE COMPANIES ARE GONNA AVERAGE ABOUT SEVEN AND A HALF NON-US STOCKS, ABOUT EIGHT BONDS, FIVE, WHICH IS WAY HIGHER THAN THEY WERE THREE YEARS AGO.
UM, SO WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THIS IS IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT, NEXT SLIDE, I'M GONNA STAND HERE AND TELL YOU THAT I BELIEVE OVER THE LONG RUN, AND AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS ALMOST IN WELL PERPETUITY FOR THE POLICE PENSION.
UM, WE EXPECT THE PORTFOLIO IN A 70, 70% STOCK AND 30% BOND PORTFOLIO TO AVERAGE, JUST SHY OF 7% OVER THE LONG RUN.
WHAT'S REALLY COOL ABOUT THAT IS WE ARE WITHIN SHOUTING DISTANCE OF WHAT YOUR ACTUARY IS USING OF THAT 7% RATE.
WHEREAS TWO YEARS AGO WE WERE WELL BELOW THAT.
SO OUR, OUR ASSUMPTIONS HAVE COME UP OVER TIME.
BUT THE OTHER COOL THING IS, AGAIN, WHEN THAT VALUATION GETS DRAFTED NEXT YEAR, BECAUSE OF THE, THE, THE RETURNS WE'VE HAD FOR THIS VALUATION PERIOD, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO LOWER THAT 7% TO E EVEN LOWER WHERE WE COULD HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT REDUCING THE RISK THAT WE'RE TAKING IN THE PORTFOLIO, WHICH IS HUGE.
SO THERE'S A CHANCE, DEPENDING ON WHERE THE MARKETS GO, THAT WE COULD GET OUR K 82 WHERE WE HAVE AN ACTUARIAL GAIN, THE MMO LIKE MIGHT LOOK BETTER, UM, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE MARKETS DO AND WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO KIND OF PULL SOME LEVERS TO MAKE THE PLAN EVEN EVEN HEALTHIER.
UM, SO IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, REALLY ALL I WANTED TO DO WAS HELP ILLUSTRATE HOW WE DEFINE RISK AND RETURN OVER THE LONG RUN.
SO THE NUMBERS ARE A LITTLE SMALL HERE AGAIN, BUT I'M GONNA SOUND A LITTLE BIT LIKE A WEATHERMAN 'CAUSE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ALSO ARTICULATE AND HELP YOU VISUALIZE RISK IN THE SHORT TERM, RIGHT? OVER THE NEXT ONE YEAR, AGAIN, I'M GONNA SOUND LIKE A WEATHERMAN.
I'M 95% CONFIDENT THAT THIS PENSION PLAN IS GONNA BE ANYWHERE FROM NEGATIVE 10.75 TO POSITIVE 30.4.
THAT'S THE BEST I CAN DO FOR YOU, RIGHT? BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT OVER 20 YEARS, THAT WINDOW SHRINKS.
THE LONGER WE HAVE, THE MORE ACCURATE WE'RE GONNA BE WITH WHAT THE MARKETS ARE GOING TO DO.
WHAT AM I GONNA TELL YOU I EXPECT TO AVERAGE OVER THE LONG RUN.
THAT'S 6.9399999999999995% I JUST SHOWED YOU ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON.
WE'RE FOCUSING ON WHAT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO TRY TO HIT THE RATE OF RETURN THAT YOUR ACTUARIES ARE USING.
I SAY IT MEANS THAT IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS, OWNING THOUSANDS OF STOCKS AT A VERY LOW, A VERY LOW PRICE POINT AS WELL.
UM, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IN A NUTSHELL.
UM, A LOT OF ACTIVE MANAGERS CONTINUE TO UNDERPERFORM, UM, WHEREAS WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PICK GOOGLE VERSUS APPLE, RIGHT? WE'RE IN EVERYTHING.
WE'RE JUST MAKING THOSE, THOSE, THOSE TWEAKS IN THE SHORT TERM TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OPPORTUNITIES.
UM, SO IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH, SO THAT'S OUR TEAM AS WELL.
UM, WE HAVE A FULL-TIME TRADER ON STAFF.
WE HAVE FOLKS WHO DEAL WITH YOUR, UM, DEAL.
WE WORK WITH YOUR EMPLOYEES AND RETIREES, UH, AND IN ADDITION TO MYSELF.
UM, SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA JUST OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS, ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO FURTHER ELABORATE ON.
AND WE AS ALWAYS, WE WE TRULY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.
IT'S BEEN A PRIVILEGE QUESTION.
WHEN YOU SAY 70 STOCK 30 BONDS, HOW OFTEN DO YOU SWITCH THAT PERCENTAGE? OR IS IT THAT'S STATIC, THAT'S ALWAYS, YOU ALWAYS KEEP IT THAT.
YES, BUT EVEN WHEN BONDS ARE DOING BETTER OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, THEY'VE PROGRESSIVELY DONE BETTER.
WELL, BONDS HAVE ACTUALLY, SO IN 2022 WAS THE WORST BOND MARKET WE'VE EVER SEEN.
UM, BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LONG TERM PROJECTION OF WHAT WE THINK IS GOING TO BE BEST, THE TIME WILL CHANGE.
THAT ALLOCATION IS GOING TO BE OKAY.
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RATE IN THE PENSION PLAN IS YOU DROP IT DOWN FROM SEVEN TO SAY SIX AND A HALF, AND NOW I'M SHOWING YOU THAT A, A PORTFOLIO THAT HAS MORE BONDS IN IT ACTUALLY IS GONNA GET YOU SIX AND A HALF.WELL, GUESS WHAT? WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA PULL THE TRIGGER AND BE LESS AGGRESSIVE.
UM, BUT IN THE SHORT RUN, WE'RE NOT CHANGING FROM 70 STOCK FROM 30 BOND.
BUT ONCE WHAT WILL HAPPEN AND WHAT JUST HAPPENED IS WHEN BONDS DO WELL, THAT MIGHT GO FROM 70 30 TO LIKE 65, 35, AND THEN WE, WE REBALANCE TO GET IT BACK.
AND THAT'S THAT TRIGGER, THAT MECHANISM THAT ALLOWS US TO CONSISTENTLY BUY LOW AND SELL HIGH.
IT'S WHEN WE SHIFT IT TO 70 30 TO THE SAY 60 40.
THAT'S THE DECISION THAT WE ARE GONNA MAKE AS, AS A TEAM.
LIKE, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO FROM 70 30 TO 60 40 WITHOUT HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THE TOWNSHIP AND, AND THE COMMITTEES.
UM, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY THE BIGGEST, THE MOST IMPORTANT DECISION THAT YOU'RE GONNA MAKE IN THE PENSION PLAN.
THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT DECISION YOU'RE GONNA MAKE WITH YOUR OWN INVESTMENTS.
SO, UM, BUT YEAH, WE, WE DON'T CHANGE THAT WAITING, BUT WE DO MAKE, UM, TACTICAL MOVES IN THE SHORT RUN TO BUY LOW SELL HIGH, ET CETERA.
THEN WHEN YOU SAID YOU BEAT THE MARKET RATE, YOU DID BETTER THAN WAS PROJECTED.
WHAT, WHAT IS THE MARKET? WHAT'S THE BASELINE THAT WE'RE DOING BETTER AGAINST? YEAH, SO IF YOU, IF YOU CAN GO BACK A, A COUPLE SLIDES FOR ME.
KEEP GOING, KEEP GOING, KEEP GOING.
UM, SO ON THIS SLIDE WHERE YOU SEE THE BLOOMBERG US AGGREGATE BOND, THE BENCHMARK NUMBER ONE IN THE THICK BLACK THERE, UH, THAT'S THE PROXY FOR THE BOND MARKET AND THE M-S-C-I-A-C-W-I THAT A CWI STANDS FOR ALL CAPITAL WORLD INDEX.
SO THAT'S BASICALLY THE GLOBAL STOCK MARKET AND THAT'S HOW THE PLAN IS INVESTED EXCEPT RUSSIA.
UM, THAT'S HOW THE PLAN IS INVESTED.
SO WE'RE COMPARING OUR BONDS THE 30% TO WHAT THE AG DOES, UM, WHICH IS NEGATIVE 7.4 OR NEGATIVE 0.74 FOR, UM, THE FIRST HALF OF THE YEAR.
UH, AND THEN, UH, GLOBAL STOCKS RETURNED 11.3% FOR THE FIRST HALF OF THE YEAR.
BUT WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS IF YOU SEE SINCE START DATE ALL THE WAY ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THE, THE GLOBAL STOCK MARKET'S PERFORMED, IT'S, IT'S GIVEN YOU 10.77% BONDS HAVE ACTUALLY BARELY GIVEN YOU ANYTHING.
THEY'VE BEEN FLAT OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS AND MOST OF IT'S BECAUSE OF 2022 THAT ONE YEAR.
BUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE ABOUT THIS IS WE'VE GOTTEN ALMOST AN 8% RETURN ON AVERAGE, WHICH WE'RE ONLY WORTH 30% LESS RISKY THAN OWNING JUST STOCKS.
AND WE'VE STILL AVERAGED ABOUT 8% AND THE STOCK MARKETS AVERAGED ALMOST 11.
SO WE'VE STILL GOTTEN A VERY HIGH RATE OF RETURN AND BONDS HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING FOR US EXCEPT GIVEN US A LITTLE BIT OF PROTECTION IN CERTAIN YEARS.
UM, BUT SINCE THE TIMEFRAME OF 2016, WE'RE ROUGHLY ABOUT 30.33 TO 0.45% ABOVE THE MARKET BENCHMARK ON AVERAGE, ROUGHLY.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE USING THE MARKET TO BEAT THE MARKETS.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO TELL YOU THAT WE'RE GONNA BEAT THE MARKETS BY 2%.
THAT'D BE VERY DIFFICULT TO DO WITH THE MARKETS, BUT ANY LITTLE BIT WE CAN SQUEEZE OUT OF THERE TO GET ABOVE THE MARKETS, IT'S JUST GONNA HELP US THAT MUCH MORE.
'CAUSE A LOT OF ACTIVE MANAGERS CONTINUE TO UNDERPERFORM THE MARKETS.
ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MONEY.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.
IF YOU HAVE ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ADDRESS THEM FOR YOU.
ALL RIGHT, THIS BRINGS US TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS SECTION OF TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
I KNOW SEVERAL OF YOU ARE HERE FOR 7 6 5 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD, AKA LOVERS LANE.
NOW WILL BE THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR YOU TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS REGARDING THIS DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL PER BOARD POLICY.
WE ASK EVERYONE TO KEEP THEIR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.
UM, YOU CAN SELF-CHECK YOURSELF.
WE HAVE THIS UP SO YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK WHEN YOU GET CLOSE TO THREE MINUTES.
THIS IS ALSO THE TIME FOR THE BOARD TO RECEIVE COMMENTS ON ANY ADDITIONAL ITEM ON OR NOT ON THIS EVENING'S AGENDA.
ONCE THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION IS OVER, WE WILL NOT BE RECEIVING ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS.
ANYONE WANNA COME UP? I CAN'T EVEN BELIEVE IT.
[EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT]
SEE HERE.OH, WE HAD AN EXECUTIVE EXECUTIVE SESSIONS TO REPORT ON, UM, ONE FROM AUGUST 8TH AND THE 19TH.
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AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, TOPIC OF THE DISCUSSIONS PERSONNEL.[APPROVAL OF BILL LIST]
IS THE BILL LIST.I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BILL LIST.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE BILL LIST FROM THE PERIOD JULY ONE THROUGH JULY 31ST, 2024, IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,364,215 AND 3 CENTS.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
NEXT IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.YOU MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE JULY 15TH, 2024 BOARD SUPERVISORS REGULAR MEETING MINUTES ALL SECOND.
OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
UM, NOW WE HAVE NO OLD BUSINESS.
[NEW BUSINESS (ACTION/DISCUSSION ITEMS)]
NEW BUSINESS.AND SO WE ARE HERE ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 27, GRANTING TENTATIVE OF LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS TO 7 6 5 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD, SUB-DIVISION DIVISION, WHICH IS LOVER'S LANE.
ALLISON ZARO ON BEHALF OF GENERAL HANCOCK LIMITED PARTNERSHIP THIS EVENING.
WE'RE HERE ABOUT, UM, 7 65 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD, WHICH IS ALSO REFERRED TO AS THE LOVER'S LANE PROPERTY OR LOVER LANE LOVER'S LANE SUBDIVISION.
UM, I KNOW THE BOARD GENERALLY IT IS FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROPERTY.
UM, IT IT IS BOUNDED BY LOVER'S LANE, UM, GENERALLY ON THE EAST, WHICH SORT OF GOES TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD IS ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PLAN THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ON THE SCREEN.
UM, THIS PROPOSAL, UH, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE R TWO DISTRICT.
UM, AND IT IS PROPOSED TO BE DEVELOPED WITH 11 SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES ON INDIVIDUAL LOTS.
THERE'S ALSO, UM, AN AREA THAT WOULD BE COMMON AREA, UH, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT ON WHAT IS THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PLAN YOU'RE LOOKING AT OR GENERALLY THE WEST NORTHWEST.
UM, WHICH WOULD CONTAIN STORM WATER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES FOR THE PROJECT AND BE MAINTAINED BY HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
UM, AS PART OF THE PROJECT, AN EXTENSION OF AMANDA LANE, WHICH IS LABELED ON THIS PLAN AS WEST OF MANDA LANE, WOULD BE ALIGNED WITH THE INTERSECTION OF THE EXISTING AMANDA LANE AND SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD.
AND THAT WOULD EXTEND UP TO, UM, LOVER'S LANE ON THE OTHER END.
UM, THIS, UH, THIS PROJECT WENT TO THE ZONING HEARING BOARD, UH, LATE LAST YEAR AND IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, UH, THE ZONING HEARING BOARD APPROVED A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO ALLOW DISTURBANCE OF, UM, STEEP SLOPES ON THE PROPERTY FOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
THAT, UM, DECISION INCLUDED EIGHT CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, UM, PERTAINING TO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND, UM, OVERALL SITE DEVELOPMENT.
SINCE THAT TIME, THERE WAS A TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN, UH, PENDING AT THAT TIME.
UH, THE APPLICANT THEN CLEANED UP PLANS IN RESPONSE TO THAT, UM, ZONING HEARING BOARD DECISION, UH, RESUBMITTED PLANS.
AND WE APPEARED BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR.
AND AT THAT PARTICULAR MEETING, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID MAKE A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION ON THE TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN APPLICATION.
WE DO HAVE, UH, REVIEW LETTERS FROM YOUR ACCOUNTANT CONSULTANTS, UH, GILMORE AND ASSOCIATES DATED MAY 31ST, 2024.
BOWMAN DATED MAY 31ST, 2024, AND THERE IS A SUBSEQUENT BOWMAN LETTER DATED JULY 10TH, 2024.
AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, UM, AN HOP WILL BE REQUIRED.
SO THAT SECOND LETTER, UH, RELATES MORE SPECIFICALLY TO, UM, THE SUBMISSION TO PENNDOT AND THE TRAFFIC, UH, IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT WAS PREPARED FOR THE SITE.
THE OTHER THING I SHOULD MENTION IS THAT THERE IS A DECELERATION LANE THAT IS PROPOSED, UM, ON SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD, UM, FOR THE, UH, NEW WEST AMANDA LANE, UH, ENTRANCE TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
UM, GO OVER ANY COMMENTS IN ANY REVIEW LETTER THAT THE BOARD MAY HAVE.
YOUR PROPERTY, UH, UH, BUT'S, UH, LOVER'S LANE, YOUR PROPERTY BUT'S, LOVER'S LANE THERE WHERE 2029 LOVE'S, THAT'S THE CORNER OF YOUR PROPERTY, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT, YES.
AND I SEE THE IMPROVEMENTS YOU'RE GONNA DO WITH THE NEW ROAD.
YOU'RE GONNA PUT THROUGH, UH, NEW THE EXTENSION OF A MAN LANE, THE LOVER'S LANE.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE GOING
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TO DO TO IMPROVE THE SIGHT LINES AT LOWER LANE AND UH, AND COLLEGEVILLE ROAD? UH, THERE IS, I BELIEVE THAT THE SITE DISTANCE THERE WAS ANALYZED, UM, TALKING AND IT IS ON THE SITE.UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE DOING ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY AT THAT INTERSECTION ROAD.
WE ARE WIDENING THE ROAD ROUGHLY SIX FEET IN THAT LOCATION.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO REVIEW ALL THAT WITH PENDO, RIGHT? YES.
SO THAT'S CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH PENNDOT REVIEW.
WE HAVE GOTTEN A REVIEW FROM BOTH BOWMAN AS WELL AS I KNOW ANTHONY.
THAT'S WHAT THOUGHT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
UM, AND, AND WE HAVE RECEIVED INITIAL COMMENTS FROM KENDO AS WELL.
BOTH OF THEM HAD COMMENTED ON FURTHER EXTENDING, UM, THE DECELERATION TAPER THAT WE ARE SHOWING ON THE PLAN.
SO SOME OF THAT WILL BE CONTINUED TO BE REFINED AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND, AND DETAILS I SPOT IN PARTICULAR, I CAN THINK ABOUT, PULLED OUT FROM THERE AND STRETCHER.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS FOR CREATING THIS NEW CONNECTION SO THAT THIS WOULD BE A NEWER BETTER CONNECTION TO GET TO AND GET IT THERE.
IT WILL REDUCE TRAFFIC AND I THINK PEOPLE ARE SMART.
ARE YOU PLANNING ON PUTTING SIDEWALKS ON LOVER'S LANE AT THIS POINT? WE WERE NOT PROPOSING SIDEWALKS ON LOVER'S LANE.
WE ARE PROPOSING A SIDEWALK ON 29 AND ALSO ON THE NEW WEST AMANDA LANE.
OUR INTENT REALLY WITH LOVER'S LANE WAS ESSENTIALLY TO LEAVE IT MORE IN THE RURAL TYPE OF CONDITION.
HOWEVER, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WOULD REQUIRE A WAIVER AND WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO, TO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.
IT JUST WAS MORE OF A THOUGHT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DIRECT EVERYONE TO THE NEW, UM, ROAD AND SIDEWALKS ON THE NEW ROAD THAT MEET CURRENT, UH, ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS AND STANDARDS.
SO YOU'RE NOT ANTICIPATING ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ON LOVER'S LANE? UM, IT WOULD BE, I MEAN, SIDEWALKS WOULD BE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC FIRST.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT'S MEANT IN GENERAL YOU'RE NOT, UM, ANTICIPATING THAT THERE'S GONNA BE MORE TRAFFIC ON ED LANE.
UM, IN GENERAL SPEAKING, UH, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER WAS REQUIRED TO DO, UM, A TRIP GENERATION ANALYSIS, TRIP DISTRIBUTION, UM, AND CERTAIN OTHER, UM, ANALYSIS AS IT RELATES TO, UM, THE INTERSECTIONS.
AND I BELIEVE THAT, UM, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER HAD MADE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ABOUT FURTHER UPDATING THAT INFORMATION.
SO WE'LL CERTAINLY PROVIDE IT.
I WILL NOTE WITH 11 HOMES, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A LARGE TRAFFIC GENERATOR IN GENERAL, BUT HE'LL, HE'LL FURTHER ADDRESS THAT ROAD.
BECAUSE IF TWO CARS GOING THAT WAY CAN COME THAT CLOSE TO HITTING EACH OTHER.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE WONDERING, WE'RE TRYING TO DIRECT TRAFFIC.
AND AS WE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, PART OF WHAT'S BEING UPDATED AND WOULD BE RESUBMITTED WOULD BE ADDITIONAL DETAILED INFORMATION AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH, UM, SPECIFICS WITH RESPECT TO THAT TRIP DISTRIBUTION.
YEAH, I THINK CURBING AND SIDEWALK ALONG THERE WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA IF WE'RE GONNA PUT IN ADDITIONAL
DO YOU NEED CURBING THE SIDEWALK DOWN LONG LOVE ON LOVE LANE ON OUR, ON OUR FRONT EDGE? RIGHT, RIGHT.
IN, IN THE DOCUMENT THAT I REVIEWED, THERE ARE A LOT OF WAIVERS THAT LOOK LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO BE REQUESTED.
CURVING, THERE'S AN OPEN SPACE WAIVER REQUESTING.
CAN YOU EXPAND ON WHAT THAT OPEN SPACE WAIVER REQUEST IS? IS THERE NOT GONNA BE THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT BY OUR ORDINANCE OR CAN JUST, WHAT'S ENTIRELY BEYOND THAT? UM, WAIVERS ARE NOT, UH, GRANTED AT TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN PHASE, BUT UM, PERHAPS IT WOULD BE WHAT IS TYPICALLY THE STANDARD, UM, FEE IN LIEU OF RECREATION.
THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR SUBDIVISION OF THIS NATURE WHERE YOU HAVE LARGER LOTTED OUT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S, SINCE THIS IS MORE OF A TRADITIONAL SUBDIVISION, WE'RE NOT IN A CLUSTER.
SO I THINK IT'S JUST THAT, IT JUST SEEMS THAT OVERALL FEE IN LIE OF DEDICATION PRE PRELIMINARY AND YOU DON'T, YOU ALREADY WANNA CROSS ALL THESE WAIVERS, BUT THERE'S NOT REALLY A LOT FOR US TO LOOK AT IN DETAIL.
LIKE IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT CONCERNING, BUT WE'RE ALREADY PLANNING TO REQUEST WAIVERS WITHOUT IMPROVING ANY BUFFERS LANE.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF CONCERNS.
YOU GET THAT, THAT PRELIMINARY, BUT YOU CAN'T GRANT, I'M NOT SAYING WE GRANT THAT.
I'M JUST WONDERING WHY THEY ALREADY KNOW IT NOW, LIKE THAT THEY WANT WELL TENTATIVE, UM, THE GENERAL IDEA WITH TENTATIVE SKETCH APPROVAL IS A FIRST GO WITHOUT BEING FULLY ENGINEERED.
UH, AND YOU'RE NOT REALLY HELD TO THE HARD DETAILS UNTIL THE ENGINEERING THAT ACCOMPANIES PRELIMINARY AND THAT'S WHY YOU, WE WAIT UNTIL PRELIMINARY TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE WAIVERS ARE.
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YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.BUT USUALLY WE'RE NOT BUILDING ON, YOU KNOW, A STEEP SLOPE OF THIS, YOU KNOW, CONDITION WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN, ACTUAL REAL PEOPLE WHO WILL BE IMPACTED.
SO IT JUST WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THIS PLAN THAN WHAT'S CURRENTLY AVAILABLE.
UM, WELL TYPICALLY YOUR ORDINANCE ACTUALLY, AND IN A LOT OF CASES WE'LL DO A ONE SHEET PLAN.
WE DID DO A FIVE SHEET PLAN HERE TO TRY TO AT LEAST GIVE, YOU KNOW, PRELIMINARY IDEA ABOUT GRADING AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
THE WAIVERS THAT WE ARE REQUESTING ARE NOT SPECIFIC TO THE STEEP SLOPES ON THE SITE.
THEY ARE MORE DESIGN RELATED ITEMS, BUT CERTAINLY LIKE MR. BRESNAN SAID, WE'LL PROVIDE MORE DETAIL IF WE HEAR FROM THE BOARD THAT THEY WANT TO SEE SIDEWALK AND CURVE.
THAT'S SOMETHING OBVIOUSLY WE TAKE A BIT INTO ACCOUNT, UM, AT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT STAGE.
UM, BUT IN TERMS OF THE OPEN SPACE, UH, FEE IN LIEU OF RECREATIONAL, UM, FACILITIES ON THE SITE, THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL.
UM, THAT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO THE STEEP SLOPES ON THE SITE.
YEAH, SORRY, I WAS MOSTLY JUST IN GENERAL THE PLAN, UM, JUST HAS A LOT OF, UM, GAPS BASED OFF OF, YOU KNOW, THE POTENTIAL STORM MOTOR ISSUES.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING HOW THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE AROUND THAT AREA ON THE STEEP SLOPE.
UM, I'M ALSO, SORRY, I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
UM, OH, THE, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE YOU GONNA ACTUALLY LIKE GRADE THE, THE HILL ITSELF? YOU KNOW, ARE YOU GONNA BLAST INTO IT? IS THAT GONNA IMPACT ANYTHING? YOU KNOW, THE GRAVEYARD THERE, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A LANDSLIDE OCCUR WHEN YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, BLAST INTO THE ROCK THERE.
I GUESS IT'S JUST LIKE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, MORE ABOUT THIS PLAN.
IT'S NOT LIKE FLAT LIKE, YOU KNOW, FLATTER THAN WHAT WE NORMALLY GO ON.
AND, AND THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE AND, AND ALL GOOD POINTS AS WE GO TO FULL ENGINEERING ON THE SITE, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT UM, WE'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS AND WE'D BE ABLE TO ANSWER IN DETAIL FOR YOU.
UM, OUR ENGINEER'S NEXT STEP IS, IS SUBMITTING SHOULD THE BOARD DECIDE TO APPROVE THIS TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN WOULD BE TO SUBMIT A FULLY ENGINEERED LAND DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
IT WILL ALSO NEED TO BE REVIEWED BY THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT AND DEP.
SO CERTAINLY WE WILL HAVE TO MEET ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
I NOTICED THE, THE TWO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREAS ON THERE.
ARE WE ANTICIPATING BASINS IN THOSE AREAS? YES.
UM, DOES OUR ORDINANCE SHOW, DOES IT REQUIRE THAT THEY SHOW US A FULLY ENGINEERED DESIGN, INCLUDING HOW THE BANKS OF THOSE, UH, STORMWATER BASINS ARE, ARE, UH, FOR PRELIMINARY? OKAY.
WHERE'S THE SECOND ONE THOUGH? UH, A SMALL ONE DOWN HERE.
ALMOST AT THE INTERSECTION THERE.
ONE OR TWO, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE AT THE TOP OF THE HILL.
IF YOU'RE GONNA CONSTRUCT STORMWATER BASES UP THERE, THEY NEED TO BE CONSTRUCTED PROPERLY SO THEY DO NOT FAIL.
AND HIS RESPONSIBILITY, WOULD IT BE IF THEY DID FAIL LIKE THAT? SO THAT, SO THERE WILL BE A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION HERE AND THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE, UM, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER COMMUNITY, THERE WOULD BE A STORMWATER OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT THAT'S REQUIRED.
THERE ALSO WILL BE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE AN HOA.
UM, AND THE CONDITIONS OF THE ZONING HEARING BOARD APPROVAL HAD SOME DETAILED REQUIREMENTS SPECIFIC TO, UM, THE STORMWATER FACILITIES.
UH, ONE OF THEM FOR INSTANCE, REQUIRES THE HOA TO MAINTAIN AN ESCROW AND AMOUNT EQUAL TO TWO YEARS OF MAINTENANCE BASED ON ESTIMATES FOR SUCH WORK, UH, DURING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WILL BE REVIEWING WITH YOU IN MORE DETAIL AS WE WOULD GO FORWARD.
IF THE BOARD, UH, WERE TO APPROVE THIS TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN.
UM, THERE'S ALSO REGULAR MAINTENANCE INSPECTIONS REQUIRED.
UM, SO THERE ARE SOME, WHAT I'LL CALL ADDITIONAL BELTS AND SUSPENDERS THROUGH THESE CONDITIONS OF THE ZONING HEARING BOARD APPROVAL THAT GO ABOVE AND BEYOND YOUR TYPICAL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS.
AMANDA LANE'S GONNA BE THE ONLY ROAD COMING FROM THE TOP OF THE HILL, THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL THAT'S GONNA GO ACROSS.
EVERY OTHER ONE IS YET, OR ONE SIDE OR EXIT ONE SIDE AND NONE OF 'EM CROSS.
SO LOVER'S LANE, YOU CAN'T GO FROM THE LEFT SIDE AND CROSS 29 ON THE LOVER'S LANE.
YOU EITHER GET ON THE LOVER'S WHEN YOU'RE COMING DOWN 29 OR YOU'RE COMING UP 29, AMANDA, YOU ONLY CAN TURN LEFT ON IT OR YOU TURN RIGHT AS YOU'RE COMING UP.
THERE'S NO, IT'S THE ONLY CROSS INTERSECTION THAT WILL BE ON THAT SECTION FROM TOP TO BOTTOM.
SO WHAT SAFETY PRECAUTIONS WILL BE PUT IN FOR CROSSING THE ROAD THERE FOR CROSS YOU AT AMANDA? WHEN YOU EXPEND AMANDA ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S JUST GONNA CONNECT RIGHT WITH AMANDA LANE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 29TH.
SO THAT'S, IT IS GONNA BE THE ONLY ROAD FROM THE TOP OF THE HILL OR THE BOTTOM HILL THAT YOU CAN CROSS THAT WAY FROM A YES.
SO WHAT SAFETY PRECAUTIONS WILL BE PUT IN YEAH.
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'CAUSE CARS DO FLY DOWN THAT ROAD AT 1555 MILES AN HOUR.IT WILL BE, IT WILL BE STOP CONTROLLED AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, AND THERE WILL BE A D BUT I SEE YOUR POINT.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, PENDOT IS ASKING OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO ANALYZE IN MORE DETAIL AS TO WHETHER ANY OTHER IMPROVEMENTS WOULD NEED TO BE, UH, IMPLEMENTED AT THAT, IN THAT NEW INTERSECTION.
BECAUSE ALL THE SIDEWALKS ARE ON THE YES.
THEY'RE ALL, SO THESE FOLKS THAT ARE LIVING HERE, YEAH, THEY WANT TO GO DOWN TO THE SHOP OR THEY WANT TO WALK INTO PHOENIXVILLE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CROSS CROSS OR THEY'RE GONNA WALK DOWN THROUGH, THROUGH MONTCLAIR, ONE OF THE TWO THAT LIVE.
UM, SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS ONE THING FOR CONSIDERATION.
WHAT IS THE HOUSE THAT'S GRAYED OUT BY LOT 10 BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER.
SO THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER, UM, THERE IS AN EXISTING HOUSE TODAY.
UM, THAT EXISTING HOUSE TAKES ACCESS FROM LOVER'S LANE.
SO IT'S PROPOSED TO BE DEMOLISHED AND A NEW HOUSE WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED ON THAT LOT THAT WOULD ACCESS FROM WEST AMANDA.
SO THAT'S JUST SHOWING YOU THE EXISTING CONDITION UNDERLAID ON THAT PARTICULAR PLAN SHEET.
IS THAT, IS THAT HOUSE VACANT? IS THAT THIS ONE STORY FRAME HOUSE? YES.
AND IT WOULD BE DEMOLISHED, YES.
UM, KELLY BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT ABOUT BLASTING.
I KNOW IT'S ALL ROCK BECAUSE EVERYBODY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS TRIED TO PUT A POOL IN, HAS HAD TO PUT DYNAMITE IN THE GROUND AND BLAST IT.
ALL THE HOUSES ON LOVER'S LANE ARE ALL WELLS.
HOW DO YOU ASSURE THAT THOSE WELLS AREN'T DISTURBED WHEN YOU START BLASTING ALL THE ROCK? WELL, THERE ARE BLASTING PROTOCOLS AND PERMITS REQUIRED BY DEP.
SO CERTAINLY WE'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND TO THE EXTENT THAT, UM, UM, YOU'D LIKE, WE CAN, WE CAN BRING BACK, WE WILL HAVE A SPECIFIC BLASTING CONTRACTOR THAT DOES THIS, BUT I CAN GET MORE SPECIFICS ON EXACTLY WHAT THAT PROTOCOL IS FOR YOU.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THOSE WELLS ARE PROTECTED, BUT THEN IN ADDITION, THOSE WELLS ARE FED BECAUSE THAT WATER PERPETRATES DOWN THROUGH THE GROUND INTO THOSE WELLS.
NOW THE WATER IS GONNA FLOW ALL THE WAY DOWN INTO THESE BASINS MORE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY.
SO IS IT GONNA DRY UP THE WELLS AND ARE THE WELLS GONNA HAVE TO BE DUG DEEPER? I MEAN, THAT'S A QUESTION I CAN'T ANSWER AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME.
I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE THAT FAR.
WE, WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, A SKETCH UP HERE ON THE SCREEN, BUT CERTAINLY WE CAN, UM, TO THE EXTENT THAT BLASTING WOULD BE BE DONE HERE, WELL WE CAN GET YOU THOSE ANSWERS AS WE GO FORWARD.
THE WATER THAT'S GOING INTO THOSE BASINS TODAY, THERE ARE SEVERAL HOMES THAT FLOOD DURING BASIC RAINS DOWN THERE.
WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IF THE 50 YEAR STORM COMES THROUGH? HOW WILL IT BE DIFFERENT WHEN, WHEN THIS WINTER OR IF THIS GOES IN VERSUS WHAT HAPPENS TODAY? WILL IT BE BETTER OR WORSE? IT WOULD BE.
THERE'S CERTAIN, AND THIS IS GONNA GET A LITTLE TECHNICAL FOR ME, SO MY, MY CLIENT IS HERE BEN GOLDTHORPE AS WELL, BUT THERE ARE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF YEAR STORMS THAT WE HAVE TO DESIGN TO.
UM, AND THERE ARE LONG CONTROLS AS WELL AS, UM, QUALITY CONTROLS AS WE WENT THROUGH SOME OF THAT DURING THE, UH, ZONING HEARING BOARD TESTIMONY.
BUT WE'LL HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WE MEET ALL THE VARIOUS REQUIREMENTS IN THE TOWNSHIP'S ORDINANCE, AS WELL AS DEPS ORDINANCE IN ORDER TO GET PERMITS AND APPROVALS AS WE GO FORWARD.
UM, JEN WOULD BE TAKING A LOOK AT ALL OF THAT.
I DON'T WANT TO MISSPEAK AS A NON-ENGINEER ON EXACTLY WHICH STORM REQUIRES, YOU KNOW, WHICH LEVEL, BUT I KNOW THAT YOU LOOK AT DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT RATES OF STORMS, NOT JUST ONE.
I CAN SUMMARIZE WITH THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT IS, AND THE STATE REQUIREMENT FOR THE DEP PERMIT.
SO FOR THE MPDS PERMIT DONE BY THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT, WHICH IS A STATE PERMIT FOR PEAK RUNOFF CONTROL, IT'S JUST MATCHING POST-DEVELOPMENT STORM TO PRE-DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE A HUNDRED YEAR AND THE POST-DEVELOPMENT CONDITION WHEN THE WOODS ARE REMOVED AND IT'S IMPERVIOUS NEEDS TO MATCH THE EXISTING MATCH OR BE REDUCED LOWER THAN THE EXISTING PRE-DEVELOPMENT, 100 YEAR STORMWATER RUNOFF IN THE CURRENT CONDITION WITH ALL WOODS.
NOW YOUR ORDINANCE GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT IN THAT YOUR ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT WILL THE 50 YEAR POST-DEVELOPMENT PEAK FLOW NEEDS TO BE REDUCED TO THE TWO YEAR PRE-DEVELOPMENT FLOW.
SO IT'S A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION OVER WHAT THE STATE REQUIREMENTS, UM, A HUNDRED YEAR WOULD AGAIN MATCH THE A HUNDRED YEAR.
UM, BUT BY REDUCING THE 50 TO THE TWO BY DEFAULT, THE 25 YEAR, THE 10 YEAR, THE FIVE YEAR ARE ALSO MARGINALLY REDUCED, UM, TO SOMETHING LESS THAN THE TWO YEAR STORM AS WELL.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I FULLY UNDERSTAND, THUS I DID NOT WANT TO TRY TO EXPLAIN THAT
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YET, BUT WE'LL BE REVIEWING ALL OF THAT AS WELL AS THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT.AND I WILL SAY WE DO ALSO HAVE A CONDITION FROM OUR ZONING HEARING BOARD APPROVAL THAT REQUIRES US TO REDUCE THE POSSIBILITY OF ANY POINT SOURCE DISCHARGE UPON THE PROPERTIES AS WELL.
SO THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT CONCENTRATED DISCHARGE, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT WOULD BE AFFECTING THE DESIGN.
AND SO WE DO HAVE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WE NEED TO MEET REGARDING THAT AS WELL.
AND IS, AND IS THE BASIN CONSTRUCTED BEFORE ANY TREES ARE TAKEN DOWN? USUALLY YOU DO ENS CONTROLS ON THE SITE AS A, AS A STARTING POINT.
AND I BELIEVE THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME CLEAR TY TYPICALLY, AND AGAIN, NOT BEING ENGINEER, BUT TYPICALLY THERE'S A TEMPORARY CONDITION BEFORE YOU WOULD GET TO YOUR POST CONSTRUCTION PERMANENT CONDITION.
AND THAT WOULD ALL BE SPELLED OUT IN A CONSTRUCTION SEQUENCE AS PART OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT PLAN SET.
BUT A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU SEE A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, UM, THAT'S ONGOING, PEOPLE WILL SAY, I SEE SEDIMENT IN THIS BASIN.
IT DOESN'T BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE IDEA OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN THE POST-CONSTRUCTION, UM, SCENARIO.
AND THEY, THERE LIKELY WOULD BE, ELISE, THIS IS ME AS THE LAY PERSON UNDERSTANDING THIS, BUT I WOULD ASSUME THAT THERE WOULD BE AN INTERIM ENS CONTROL ASPECT TO THE THINGS THAT ARE ON THE SITE BEFORE YOU WOULD SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN ITS PERMANENT CONDITION.
BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA WANT RUNOFF FLYING DOWN INTO THE RESIDENCE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT'S BAD ENOUGH TO GET FLOODED DURING RAIN TODAY, DON'T NEED TO HAVE MUDDY RAIN.
YEAH, I MEAN, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CONTROLLED.
WHERE DOES THE BASIN GO? I DON'T KNOW IF WE FULLY DESIGN THAT AT THIS POINT.
LIKE ONCE IT FILLS UP WITH WATER, WHERE DOES THE WATER GO? LEFT SIDE.
YOU SEE THAT GRAY LINE? MM-HMM.
SO THE WATER'S GOING INTO THAT AND THEN SPREADING OUT OVER A VERY LONG DISTANCE SO THAT WAY IT MIMICS THE EXISTING CONDITION OF JUST KIND OF LEAVING THE SITE RATHER THAN COMING TO A POINT.
IS THAT A SLOW RELEASE OR IS THAT JUST IT COMES IN AND FLUSHES OUT? UH, IT WILL BE A MATCH RELEASE CONCEPT ACCORDING TO THE, I'M SORRY, CAN WE GET YOU ON THE MIC NAME AND ALL THAT STUFF JUST TO MAKE LABEL A LITTLE EASIER? HOW YOU DOING, UH, BEN GOLD OR, UM, YEAH, SO, SO THE ANSWER IS IT WILL BE A MANAGED RELEASE, UH, BASIN IN ACCORDANCE WITH, UH, DEPS REQUIREMENTS, WHICH ENDS UP BEING SLOW.
I'M NOT SURE I FULLY UNDERSTAND HOW THAT ALL WORKS.
I MEAN, TODAY THE WATER GOES THROUGH THE GROUND AND ENDS UP, DOWN BELOW, INSTEAD OF IT GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE PROPERTY AND GOING DOWN BELOW.
NOW YOU'RE JUST GONNA COLLECT IT IN PLACE AND IT'S STILL GONNA GO DOWN BELOW.
I DON'T, I DON'T UNDER, I, I GUESS THAT'S WHERE MY, I'M NOT THE PROFESSIONAL IN STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND INTUITIVELY IT JUST FEELS LIKE IT'S NOT SOLVING ANYTHING.
SO IT'S JUST GROUPING IT DIFFERENTLY.
SO, SO MAYBE THE BETTER WAY TO DESCRIBE IT WOULD BE, UM, TODAY YOU HAVE, UH, THE WATER'S GONNA HIT THE GROUND AND TWO THINGS ARE HAPPENING.
ONE'S EITHER GONNA INFILTRATE INTO THE GROUND OR THEN SHEET FLOW OFF.
SO THE SHEET FLOW OFF IS REALLY WHAT, UH, USUALLY DOWNSTREAM NEIGHBORS ARE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT.
AND SO WHEN YOU BUILD A PROJECT LIKE THIS, ADDED PERGA ADD HOMES AND ADDED STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FEATURES, UM, WE'LL HAVE INLETS IN, UH, IN THE ROADS TO CAPTURE THE WATER AND THEN DIRECT IT VIA PIPES TO A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT BASIN.
AND SO THAT'S GONNA COLLECT THE WATER, ALLOW THE WATER TO FILL UP IN THAT STORMWATER BASIN, UM, AND IT THEN SEEPS INTO THE GROUND, UM, INTO, UH, AN UNDER DRAIN.
AND THEN, UH, ONCE IT REACHES A CERTAIN LEVEL, THEN IT WILL COME OUT THAT LEVEL SPREAD.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS IN A SMALL STORM, IN A LARGE STORM.
IT, THE BASIN COULD FILL UP, UH, VERY QUICKLY.
UH, AND THEN THERE'S GONNA BE A, A WAY FOR THAT WATER TO BYPASS AND COME OUT MORE LIKE SHEET FLOW AS IT WOULD TYPICALLY COME OUT.
I, I GUESS I'M JUST NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS TODAY.
IT'S FLOODING DOWN THERE TODAY.
IS THAT FLOODING 'CAUSE OF RUNOFF OR BECAUSE THEY'RE AT A LOW POINT AND THEY'RE CLOSER TO THE WATER TABLE.
SO AS THE IMPERVIOUS GOES THROUGH, THE WATER GOES THROUGH THE GROUND, IT FILLS UP FROM UNDERNEATH AND YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? IT DOESN'T RUN DOWN AND FILL UP, IT FILLS UP UNDERNEATH AND COMES UP.
SO IT'S PROBABLY BOTH, BUT, BUT THIS PLAN IS JUST GONNA CAPTURE IT AND STILL MAKE IT GO DOWN SO IT COMES UP RATHER THAN GETTING IT AWAY.
UM, I GUESS THAT, I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF WHERE MY BRAIN WENT WHEN THIS THING FIRST POPPED UP.
MY BRAIN SAID, WELL, WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST CHANNEL THE WATER DOWN INTO THE EXISTING CULVERTS AND GET IT OUT TO THE CANAL AND GET IT OUT TO THE SCHOOL SCALE? UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVEN FEASIBLE, BUT MY BRAIN SAID, GET IT AWAY.
AND, AND JEN MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER, UH, BETTER.
UM, BUT TYPICALLY THE WAY BASINS WORK IS IT, IT'S OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, RIGHT? SO THE, WHEN IT RAINS,
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IT MIGHT RAIN AN INCH AN HOUR, TWO INCHES AN HOUR OR HALF INCH AN HOUR.AND SO THAT, THAT WATER'S BEING MANAGED.
AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE FOR ALL THOSE STORM WATER CALCULATIONS FOR THE ENGINEERS TO, TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, HOW LONG ARE WE HOLDING THAT WATER BACK? WHAT SIZES THE PIPE WHEN IT LEAVES? IS THAT PIPE IN THIS SIZE OR THIS SIZE TO ALLOW, UH, THAT, THAT WATER TO BE MANAGED? AND SO, SO THOSE ARE ALL THE CALCULATIONS THAT, UH, NEED TO HAVE, UH, NEED TO BE DONE.
AND THEN, AND THEN ONCE IT'S CONSTRUCTED, YEAH.
ONCE IT'S CONSTRUCTED, WHAT'S, HOW, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THE HOME, WHEN IT'S HANDED OFF TO THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE FUNDED WELL ENOUGH TO MAINTAIN THIS THING? TO ME, I SEE GIANT RETENTION WALLS.
I SEE A LOT OF BIG CAPITAL MONEY IF THIS THING FAILS.
10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, SOMETHING HAPPENS TO, WHERE'S THE LIABILITY, WHERE'S THE LIABILITY LIE BETWEEN THE HOA AND THE, THE BUILDER OR THE OWNER? YEAH.
SO, SO, SO REALLY ONCE THE, THE HOMES ARE BUILT AND, UH, THE SITE'S BEEN INSPECTED TO BE, UH, DETERMINED THAT IT'S, UH, COMPLETED AND, AND BUILT ACCORDANCE WITH THE PLANS.
AND SO YOUR TOWNSHIP ENGINEER WILL HAVE INSPECTORS OUT THERE THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS.
AND LET'S JUST SAY THAT THE PROJECT TAKES TWO YEARS TO BUILD.
UM, AT THE END OF THAT TWO YEAR TIME PERIOD, EVERYTHING'S STABILIZED.
TOWNSHIP ENGINEER'S OFFICE IS HAPPY WITH THE STABILIZATION, HAPPY WITH THE RETAINING WALLS, THE STORM WATER BASIN, EVERYTHING IS BUILT THE WAY THAT WAS DESIGNED THAT, UH, THE TOWN ENGINEERS ALSO REVIEWED AND SAID IS ACCEPTABLE.
UM, THEN AT THAT POINT, THAT'S WHEN THE, THE DEDICATION PROCESS WOULD HAPPEN.
UM, WEST OF MAN, THE LANE WOULD THEN BE DEDICATED, UH, TO THE TOWNSHIP.
UM, THE OPEN SPACE, THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM WOULD BE TURNED OVER TO THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION AT THAT POINT.
THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION THEN WOULD, UH, TAKE CARE OF THAT MAINTENANCE IN PERPETUITY.
AND SO, UM, WHO, WHO, WHO SAYS THAT THEY MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO FIX THIS THING, IS THAT I LIVE IN A COMMUNITY WITH A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION.
WE KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WE NEED TO DO BASIC PLOW, WE MAINTAIN COMMON AREAS.
THERE'S OTHER THINGS, BUT THIS IS A UNIQUE SITUATION THAT IF THAT FAILED, IT COULD COST 500,000 A MILLION DOLLARS.
I'M JUST THINKING I'M A RESIDENT 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THIS THING FAILS, DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO FIX IT.
WHAT, LIKE, WHAT HAPPENS? SO IT'S A, I KNOW THAT'S NOT MAYBE YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, BUT I THINK IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT THING YEAH.
AND I THINK THE ANSWER IS DIFFERENT TODAY THAN IT MIGHT'VE BEEN 20 YEARS AGO.
UM, TODAY IT'S VERY COMMON THAT, UH, SUBDIVISIONS THAT GET BUILT ARE BUILT WITH HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS.
SO I THINK IN GENERAL, THE PUBLIC IS, UH, IS FAMILIAR WITH HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS TODAY.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENS WITH A MANAGEMENT COMPANY THAT MANAGES HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS.
SO TYPICALLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WOULD BE THIS COMMUNITY WOULD HIRE A, A THIRD PARTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND THEY WOULD DO WHAT'S CALLED A, A, A RESERVE ANALYSIS.
AND THEY WOULD LOOK AT WHAT WOULD COST TO, UM, UH, REPAIR RETAINING WALLS, UH, REPAIR, UH, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES.
UM, AND THEN THEY, THEY, THEY DO THAT ANALYSIS FOR THE HOA, UH, AND THAT'S HOW THEY COME UP WITH WHAT THEIR MONTHLY DUES ARE.
SO, SO, SO WITH THAT RESERVE ANALYSIS, THAT'S HOW, UH, THEY'LL DETERMINE, UM, WHAT THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION NEEDS TO PAY ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
AND, UH, SO TO, TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW, THESE HOMEOWNERS MIGHT HAVE TO PAY $200 A MONTH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, AND THAT THAT'S COULD GO UP IN THE FUTURE.
AND THAT'S ALL PART OF THE, THE, THE PROCESS OF THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION.
YOU ALSO HAVE IN THE, UH, YOU ALSO HAVE TO, THE HEARING BOARD HAD CONCERNS THAT YOU'RE EXPRESSING NOW HAVE LANGUAGE THAT TOWN PARTICIPATE IN THESE HEARINGS, ACQUIRING A FORWARD LOOK AT A COUPLE YEARS WORTH OF MAINTENANCE.
SO EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS STAYING AHEAD, THEY HAVE TO PUT MONEY BACK IN, UH, FOR MAINTENANCE.
NOW, IT WOULDN'T COVER A CATASTROPHIC EVENT, BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF A FAILED TOWNSHIP.
I'M NOT AWARE OF A FAILED BASIN, UH, IN ANY PLACE I'VE EVER REPRESENTED UNLESS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A FAILURE IN THE NATURE OF LIKE A CLOCK THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEARED OUT.
BUT, BUT THIS ONE HAS A BIG GIANT RETAINING WALL.
MANY HAVE A BIG GIANT RETAINING WALL, ASSUMING WATER AND PRESSURE, BIG RETAIN FEEL GOOD TO BE UNDER PRESSURE WATER.
I MEAN THE, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE REINFORCEMENT IN THE WAY WHICH THAT IS CONSTRUCTED PART'S OFFICE WILL REQUIRE,
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MAKES SURE THAT THE, UM, YEAH, I'VE ENCOUNTERED THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES IN THE PAST AND I KNOW WHETHER THEY CAN OBTAIN SOME KIND OF INSURANCE AGAINST THE LOSS, UH, TO HAVE IT PAY, BECAUSE REALISTICALLY, THERE'S NO HOA ON A DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SIZE THAT'S REALLY GOING TO COLLECT MONTHLY PAYMENT TOWARDS THE HOA IN AN AMOUNT THAT WOULD COVER SOMETHING CATASTROPHIC.AND THAT'S JUST A REALITY THAT WE, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S REALLY A WAY AROUND IT, UNLESS ALLISON HAS ANY IDEA OR UNLESS, LIKE I SAID, UNLESS THE WALL MIGHT BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM A BASIN, MAYBE IT'S AN INSURED, MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT, THAT THEY CAN INSURE AGAINST, UH, TO COLLAPSE OR SOMETHING.
CAN WE REQUIRE THAT THEY HAVE INSURANCE ON THE WALL? UM, I, I'VE NEVER IMPOSED IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN, I MEAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT, THAT THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN A POLICY AND, UH, PROVIDE IT TO THE TOWNSHIP ON REQUEST.
I MEAN, THEY CERTAINLY SHOULD BE PROVIDING A INSURANCE POLICY AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY REQUIRED STANDARD IN HOA DOCUMENTS FOR COMMON FACILITIES.
BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO FIND OUT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE WALL.
I'VE ACTUALLY HAD THIS RAISED IN THE CONTEXT OF OTHER TYPES OF FACILITIES, BUT WE CAN FIND OUT SPECIFICALLY FOR THE RETAINING WALL ITSELF.
I HAD A QUESTION AND GO BACK TO KIND OF WHAT MARIA WAS SAYING, THE LOVE'S LANE.
YOU CAN'T HELP THESE PEOPLE WHOSE 11 NEW HOMES TO USE LOVE'S LIE'S SMALL.
ARE WE IMPROVING THAT OR ARE YOU IMPROVING THAT IN ANY WAY? OR HOW ARE WE HELPING PEOPLE THERE? LIKE, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, THEY'RE IN A RURAL, KIND, ISOLATED, AND NOW WE'RE IT'S DEVELOPMENT, SO WE'RE DISRUPTING THEIR WAY OF LIFE.
WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR THEM THAT WOULD HELP THAT ROAD AND MAYBE HELP THEM OUT A LITTLE BIT? SO INITIALLY WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS, AND THIS IS GOING BACK MAYBE 18 MONTHS, ONE OF THE VERY FIRST SKETCHES THAT WE SUBMITTED TO THE TOWNSHIP DIDN'T SHOW THIS THROUGH ROAD OF WEST AMANDA.
ESSENTIALLY ALL WE DID WAS WE JUST PUT NEW HOMES THAT WOULD FRONT ON 29 AND FRONT ON LOVER'S LANE.
AND IN THAT SCENARIO, WE WERE IMPROVING LOVER'S LANE BECAUSE THE HOMES WOULD FRONT ON LOVER'S LANE.
BUT THROUGH THE PROCESS OVER THE LAST 18 MONTHS, UH, IN TALKING WITH SOME OF THE, THE, THE FOLKS IN THE TOWNSHIP, THE THOUGHT WAS, WELL, WHY DON'T WE KEEP, UH, LOVER'S LANE AS IT'S IS TODAY TO KEEP IT THE, THE CHARACTER THAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE USED TO AND BUILD THIS WEST AMANDA, AND ESSENTIALLY PULL ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT WOULD'VE BEEN USING LOVER'S LANE TO WEST AMANDA PURPOSELY TURNING ALL OF OUR HOUSES TO HAVE ACCESS TO WEST AMANDA OUR NEW ROAD AND MORE PUT UP A, A LANDSCAPE BUFFER IN THE REAR OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AS LOTS NINE AND 10 TO, TO ALMOST, UH, PULL US AWAY FROM, UH, LOVER'S LANE.
THAT THAT WAS, I THINK THE INTENT THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS.
HOW BIG OF A BOAT ARE YOU TALKING? I'M SURE I WOULD DESCRIBE RURAL ROADS AS HAVING CHARACTER.
AND I THINK ANY IMPROVEMENTS YOU CAN DO ON THE FRONTAGE OF YOUR PROPERTY TO THAT ROAD WOULD BE
NO, I WAS JUST ASKING HOW, HOW BIG OF A BUCK, BECAUSE ONCE YOU START TEARING DOWN THE TREES, PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, THEY'RE GONNA SEE THE HOMES.
AND SO THE IDEA WAS WE'D BE, WE'D BE REPLANTING TREES, UM, IN THE, IN THE REAR OF LOTS NINE AND 10, UH, ALONG THE EXISTING ROAD.
I AGREE WITH BILL, THOUGH, EVEN THOUGH THE HOUSES DON'T FACE LOVER'S LANE, I'M SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA WALK UP AND DOWN LOVER'S LANE BECAUSE THEY DO NOW, AND IT'S QUIET.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD WALK LOVER'S LANE BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH EVERYBODY ELSE.
I WOULD ENJOY THE QUIET OF THE WAY IT IS BACK THERE.
SO I REALLY, I PERSONALLY THINK THERE SHOULD BE SIDEWALKS, LOVE'S LANE, LOVE LANE, NOT ON BOTH SIDES, JUST OFF THE SIDE THAT'S CLOSEST TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
BECAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE ARE GONNA WALK BACK THAT WAY IF THEY WANT.
PEOPLE WANT PUT THE SIDEWALKS IN LIKE WALKS.
I ASK THAT QUESTION BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY WANNA KEEP IT, THEY WANNA KEEP IT SAFE.
AGAIN, OUR, OUR INTENT WAS TO, TO MINIMIZE THE DISTURBANCE TO THEM BY, AND WHICH IS WHY WE WERE PROPOSING REALLY TO LEAVE IT AS IT WAS TO NOT ENCOURAGE TRAFFIC.
IF AS SOON AS WE START TO, TO WIDEN IT, BEHAVE, I THINK THAT THAT MIGHT ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO USE IT MORE THEN THE IDEA WAS TO, TO NOT USE IT.
IF, IF YOUR DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T HAVE A WAY INTO YOUR DEVELOPMENT FROM LOVER'S LANE, THAT'S
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FINE, BUT I STILL THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE ON THAT BACKSIDE WALKING LOVE LANE AND WITH MORE FOOT TRAFFIC SURE.MORE CHANCES OF SOMEBODY GETTING HURT.
SO MAYBE A HYBRID MIGHT BE TO, TO INSTALL SIDEWALK, BUT NOT PERHAPS WIDEN THE ROAD JUST INSTALLING SIDEWALKS ON, ON THE ONE SIDE WE COULD LOOP AND CONNECT OUR SIDEWALKS FROM, UM, WEST AMANDA ON THE TOP DOWN TO 29.
AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY FROM THE, THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THERE IS NOW, THERE'S VERY LITTLE YES.
BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME TYPE OF SIDEWALK OVER THERE BECAUSE THERE ARE GONNA BE PEOPLE WALKING UP AND DOWN THERE.
I JUST WANT LIKE TO SEE LIKE MORE CONCEPT ON THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.
LIKE CAN YOU BRING SOMEONE TO EXPLAIN HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK JUST A LITTLE BIT IN MORE DETAIL.
BECAUSE ONCE YOU TAKE THE TREES DOWN, IT'S TOO LATE AND THEN WE'RE SCREWED AND THERE'S NO GOING BACK.
SO BEFORE WE CHOP EVERYTHING DOWN AND BLAST INTO THE MOUNTAIN, IT'D BE GREAT TO LIKE MAKE SURE THAT WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING IS ACTUALLY GOING TO WORK.
JUST, AND JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, WE'RE NOT, IF YOU GAVE US APPROVAL TONIGHT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO START CONSTRUCTION ANYTIME SOON, SO I UNDERSTAND, BUT GIVING YOU APPROVAL IS LIKE ONE THIRD OF THE WAY THERE TONIGHT, SO THAT, THAT'S COMFORTABLE.
YOU KNOW, THIS IMPACTS A LOT OF PEOPLE SURE.
WHO WE'VE LIVED THERE FOR A LONG TIME AND, YOU KNOW, PRESENCE OF THIS TOWNSHIP.
SO, YEAH, AND CERTAINLY LIKE, UH, UH, JEN SAID WE'RE GONNA COMPLY WITH THE TOWNSHIP'S CODE AND, AND MAKES ALL OF THOSE CALCULATIONS, UH, ARE DONE CORRECTLY.
SOMETIMES I THINK OUR CODE IS THE FAIR MINIMUM AND I THINK WE SHOULD INCREASE IT THOUGH.
SO, I MEAN, THIS IS A REALLY STEEP SLOPE THAT NOW WE CAN'T BUILD ON, BUT THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, GRANDPA, SO IT'S, IT'S JUST VERY CONCERNING TO ME.
SO WE DID YOU WANT TO DO YOU WANTED SOMETHING MORE BEFORE YOU PASSED ON TO TENTATIVE KEVIN? YES.
BUT ALL THAT INFORMATION COMES, WELL, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, LIKE I'VE SAID MANY TIMES IS SUBDIVISION AND LAND DEVELOPMENT IS AN I DOTTING T CROSSING PROCESS.
UM, YOUR REVIEW LETTERS ARE IN LINE AS SUPPORTING THE GRANT OF TENTATIVE.
UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TENTATIVE AND PRELIMINARY, AND THAT'S EVERY CONCERN THAT YOU JUST EXPRESSED.
THEY WOULD HOPEFULLY INCORPORATE INTO THE APPLICATION FOR PRELIMINARY APPROVAL.
BUT FOR SKETCH, WHICH ONLY REQUIRES ONE SHEET AND THE ORDINANCE ONLY REQUESTS THEM TO BRING IN ONE SHEET SHOWING, HERE'S WHAT WE KIND OF WANT TO DO.
THE THE BAR IS VERY LOW FOR TENTATIVE, AND THEY, THEY SATISFY THE BAR.
IT'S A WHOLE, IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT BAR WHEN YOU GET TO PRELIMINARY AND WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY PRELIMINARY TO SET.
THAT'S WHERE WE TALK ABOUT OPPORTUNITY.
THAT'S WHERE WE TALK ABOUT CONDITIONS OF, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE ATTACHED TO THE APPROVAL.
IT'S, YOU ALMOST CAN'T DO IT NOW BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN ENGINEERED YET.
YOU, YOU, YOU WANT TO GIVE IT THE HARD LOOK AFTER IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BUILD IT AS IT COMES TO STEP TWO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? LEMME MAKE A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 27 GRANITE TENTATIVE LAND DOLE APPROVAL TO 7 65 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD, SUBDIVISION LOVERS LANE.
JEFF, WHERE ARE WE ON THE CLOCK? WE DO NOT HAVE A GLOCK AT THIS POINT.
WE HAVE A WAIVER OF THE GLOCK.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE, WHAT ELSE, WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT TO SEE AT THIS POINT IN TIME? I MEAN, OUR NEXT STEP WOULD BE FULLY ENGINEERED LAND DEVELOPMENT PLANS, BUT THAT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STEP.
SO I GUESS WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, I MEAN UNFORTUNATELY OUR ENGINEER IS ON VACATION TONIGHT, SO I DO NOT HAVE HIM HERE.
BUT, UM,
SO, UM, IF YOU WANT US TO BRING HIM BACK TO A SECONDARY, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT MEETING AND ANSWER QUESTIONS, I'M NOT SURE THE REST OF THAT IS GOING TO REQUIRE FULL ENGINEERING.
SO IN ORDER TO GET TO THE DETAILS ON THE STORM WATER, IT IS THE NEXT APPLICATION.
IT IS SUBMISSION OF STORM WATER MANAGEMENT REPORT, STORM STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLANS, JEN'S REVIEW OF THOSE THINGS, ET CETERA.
SO, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY BRING HIM BACK TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST CONCERN AT THIS POINT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ELSE EVERYBODY WOULD WANT
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TO SEE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S PRELIMINARY, IT'S NOT REQUIRED, BUT WHAT I READ IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT THE ONLY MOVES THAT ALONG 'CAUSE OF THE BARE IT MET THE BARE MINIMUM AND THEY, YOU KNOW, JUST TO SEE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.
UM, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S HOW THINGS SHOULD WORK.
I WOULD BE MORE CONFIDENT IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS CONFIDENT IN THE DECISION TO MOVE IT ALONG.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS BECOME MORE, MORE OPEN TO STATING THEIR PERSONAL OPINION ABOUT A PLAN AND WHETHER THEY LIKE A PLAN OR WHETHER THEY THINK IT'S GOOD, WHICH IS A COMPLETELY SEPARATE ISSUE FROM WHETHER IT SATISFIES THE ORDINANCE.
IS THERE, IS THERE OTHER OPTIONS THEN TO JUST THIS BIG RETENTION BASIN? I MEAN, IS THERE OTHER WAYS? I MEAN, THAT'S FOR ME, THAT'S WHERE I'M KIND OF HUNG UP.
I I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF, OF THAT BASIN.
I JUST, I GUESS I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND BASINS WELL ENOUGH, BUT IS THERE, IS THERE OTHER OPTIONS? IS CAN YOU PUT A BASIN IN THE MIDDLE AND ANOTHER ONE LOAD? DOES IT ALL HAVE TO GO THE WHOLE WAY DOWN TO THAT ONE BIG ONE AT THE BOTTOM OR TWO? I MEAN, IS THERE, WHAT, WHAT ALL WAS CONSIDERED THROUGH THE PROCESS TO REALIZE THAT WE'RE JUST SEEING THIS FOR OUR FIRST TIME? AND IT'S A, I MEAN, I AGREE WITH KELLY, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WAIVERS GRANTED TO GET TO THIS POINT.
AND WHEN YOU START GRANTING A LOT OF WAIVERS, THEN YOU MUST BUILD TRUST IN WHY THAT WAS GRANTED.
AND I GUESS I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THE TRUST IN THAT, IN THAT YET.
AND, AND CERTAINLY, UM, WITH THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, UH, FACILITY LIKE A BASIN, IT'S AT THE LOW POINT, RIGHT? SO IT, THAT'S WHERE THE WATER WANTS TO GO TODAY.
AND SO WHEN, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, THE GRADING THAT'S THERE EXISTING TODAY, THAT'S WHERE THE WATER'S GOING TO TODAY.
THE WATER'S GOING TO THAT LOW SPOT.
UM, AND SO, UH, YOU, YOU ASK WHY IS THERE TWO BASINS THERE? AND THE, THE REASON FOR THAT IS ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE ACTING IN, IN SERIES WHERE THE ONE IS THEN FEEDING INTO THE, TO THE OTHER, UM, TO, TO ADD ADDITIONAL, UM, UH, AN ADDITIONAL FACILITY.
UM, SO I GUESS IS YOUR QUESTION, COULD WE ALSO DO SOMETHING HIGHER UP ON THE SITE AS WELL? I DON'T KNOW.
MY QUESTION, MY QUESTION IS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL WAS CONSIDERED.
WHY IS THAT THE BEST PLAN? AND, AND I GUESS MY THOUGHT WAS WHY NOT HAVE A ONE IN THE MIDDLE AND ANOTHER ONE AT THE BOTTOM THAT CATCHES IT AND GETS IT.
MY, IN MY MIND WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, IT WAS ALWAYS GET THE WATER AWAY AND DOWN TOWARDS THE RIVER VERSUS IT'S, IT'S JUST DOING WHAT HAPPENS TODAY, I GUESS JUST SLOWER MAYBE.
AND IS IT SLOW ENOUGH AGAIN, YOU KNOW, UH, AND JEN POINTED OUT THAT THE TOWNSHIPS CODE'S ALREADY MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN WHAT THE STATE REQUIRES.
AND SO NOT ONLY ARE WE MEETING THE STATE REQUIREMENTS, WE'RE ALSO GONNA MEET THE TOWNSHIPS REQUIREMENTS, WHICH IS MORE, UH, RESTRICTIVE.
AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE WELLS TOO.
I'M WORRIED LIKE WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN TO ALL THESE WELLS? YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE DEPTH OF THE EXISTING WELLS.
UH, WHEN IT COMES TO BLASTING, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE BLASTING MIGHT BE 10, MAYBE 15 FEET, UH, BELOW GROUND, TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, A NEW, WELL TODAY MIGHT BE AT 150 FEET BELOW OR 200 FEET BELOW, UM, EXISTING GRAD.
SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT FOLKS NEIGHBOR'S WELLS ARE, ARE SET AT.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY THE STATE'S REQUIREMENTS ARE, UH, TO HAVE A PRE-BLAST SURVEY CONDUCTED.
UH, THERE'S A, A DISTANCE FROM A SITE OR FROM EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE BLASTING THAT YOU THEN HAVE TO GO CONTACT THE NEIGHBORS AND HAVE, UH, AT LEAST OFFER A PRE-BLAST SURVEY THAT, THAT WE WOULD PAY FOR, UM, IF THE, THE HOMEOWNER WOULD WOULD LIKE THAT, WHERE THEY GO AND THEY, UH, INVESTIGATE PEOPLE'S BASEMENTS, TAKE PICTURES OF BASEMENTS, UH, AND THEN AS THE PROCESS IS HAPPENING, AS THEY'RE BLASTING, THEY HAVE, UH, UH, MONITORING DEVICES TO SEE HOW FAR AWAY, UH, THAT SHOCK IS BEING FELT.
UH, AND SO, SO IT'S, UH, SOMEWHAT TECHNICAL AS IT'S HAPPENING, UH, IN THE FIELD, BUT ALL THAT'S DONE TO PROTECT, UH, NEIGHBORS.
AND THEN, UH, CERTAINLY IF THERE WAS A CRACK IN SOMEBODY'S BASEMENT THAT WAS CAUSED BY THE BLAST, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT, UH, OUR BLASTING CONTRACTOR WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR.
MR. TURN ALSO WORRIED ABOUT THE CEMETERY AND THEN THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BURIED THERE AND HOW YOUR BLASTING ISS GONNA AFFECT THAT.
I'M NOT SURE, UH, I'VE NOT LOOKED AT THE SPECIFIC GRADING TO TELL YOU, UM, WHERE, WHERE WE WOULD BE BLASTING TODAY.
ONCE WE DO GET INTO A FULL DESIGN PLAN, UH, WE CAN TELL EXACTLY HOW FAR DOWN WE'RE DIGGING, UH, AND WHERE WE'RE, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO.
UM, I ACTUALLY THINK, UM, THAT THE WAY IT LAYS OUT TODAY, THOSE HOMES THAT ARE CLOSEST TO THE, UM, UH, CEMETERY HAVE A RETAINING WALL.
SO SPECIFICALLY LOT ONE, UH, AND
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LOT TWO, UM, THERE'S A RETAINING WALL, UH, THERE.AND SO LOT ONE IS ACTUALLY, UH, WOULD, WOULD BE IN FILL.
SO THAT WOULDN'T BE, THAT WOULDN'T BE BLASTING, YOU WOULDN'T BE CUTTING IN THAT ACTUALLY IS, UH, TAKING DIRT FROM LOT SIX OR LOT SEVEN, FLIPPING IT OVER TO LOT ONE TO BUILD IT UP SO THERE WOULDN'T BE BLASTING ON SAY, LOTS ONE AND TWO.
UH, SO THERE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE BLASTING CLOSE TO, UH, WHERE THE CEMETERY IS.
SO WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP, JOE? WE DO YOU THINK HAVING THE ENGINEER COME IN, IF THAT'S, IT SOUNDS THE FOCUS IS ALL ON STORM WATER AND THE ZONING HEARING WAS ALL ABOUT STORM WATER.
THAT OBVIOUSLY GIVEN THE TOPOGRAPHY THERE, THAT'S EVERYBODY'S CONCERN.
AND I THINK THEY REPRESENT WHEN YOUR, YOUR ENGINEER IS THE PERSON WHO'S ON VACATION WOULD BE COMPETENT TO SPEAK TO THE STORMWATER DESIGN AND POSSIBLE OPTIONS TO ASSURE THE, TO ASSURE SAFETY.
CAN WE ALSO HAVE OUR TOWNSHIP ENGINEER SPEAKS OF WHAT THEY SAY SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND FROM THE TIME IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE READY AT THAT TIME TO RESPOND TO IT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE BETTER IF THEY HAVE A DIALOGUE BEFOREHAND TO, TO, WHAT DID YOU SAY? I JUST WENT FROM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THEIR SIGN, RIGHT? SO IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIAS.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE A TOWNSHIP ALSO SPEAK TO, I MEAN NORMALLY YEAH, IF THEY WOULD'VE SUBMIT SOMETHING.
AND NORMALLY THERE'S YOUR ENGINEERS DO REVIEW LETTERS PRIOR TO EACH STEP OF THIS, AND THEY HAVE ONE, BUT IT DOESN'T ADDRESS IT IN THIS LEVEL OF DETAIL.
SO IF THE ENGINEER WANTS TO SUBMIT ANOTHER REPORT BEFORE YOU COMING IN AND SUPPLEMENTING IT HERE, THEN THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT JEN COULD POSSIBLY REVIEW PRIOR TO THE NEXT TIME IT'S IN FRONT OF YOU.
THAT MIGHT MAKE IT GO QUICKLY.
IF YOU COULD DO, DO IT THAT WAY, I GUESS IT WOULD BE STATED ALLISON OR IS AS, UH, A FULL EXAMINATION OF OTHER OPTIONS AND BACKUP AS TO WHY THAT THE OPTION WAS CHOSEN WAS CHOSEN.
'CAUSE THE, HERE THE QUESTIONS HERE SEEM TO BE HOW DO WE KNOW THIS WAS DONE THE BEST AND SAFEST WAY? MM-HMM.
SO ESSENTIALLY IT WOULD BE HERE'S INFORMATION ABOUT OUR DESIGN AND HERE, LIKE AN ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS.
I KNOW, I MEAN IT'S, YEAH, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVEN'T ENGINEERED YET, RIGHT? SO NOW YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO ENGINEER BEFORE YOU'VE ENGINEERED.
WHICH MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT, BUT JUST FOCUSED ON THIS ONE ISSUE THOUGH.
I DO ALSO JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN GRANTED ANY WAIVERS YET.
WE RECEIVE SPECIAL EXCEPTION APPROVAL, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT IS PERMITTED BY YOUR ORDINANCE.
AND THEN WE TYPICALLY AT TENTATIVE, NOT FOR JUST FOR THIS PROJECT, BUT TYPICALLY, UM, POTENTIAL WAIVERS FROM THE SUBDIVISION AND LAND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE ARE IDENTIFIED JUST TO, YOU KNOW, START OF PUT THAT OUT THERE IN THE DIALOGUE.
AND WE HEARD TONIGHT ABOUT THE SIDEWALK ON LEVERS LANE, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL TAKE BACK AND POTENTIALLY WE WOULD NOT ASK FOR, BUT I DID WANT TO CLARIFY THAT WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY WAIVERS TO DATE ON THIS PROJECT.
OKAY, THIS NEXT ONE, UH, IS AN INTRODUCTION TO POTENTIAL REDEVELOPMENT OF 1000 CAMPUS DRIVE BY LENAR HOMES.
UM, AND I, IT'S ME AGAIN, I'M SORRY, BUT, UM, AND I'M WORKING A LITTLE, UH, SHORTHANDED TONIGHT ONLY BECAUSE MY, MY CLIENT, UH, WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE WITH ME TONIGHT, HIS FATHER PASSED AWAY ON FRIDAY AND HE IS OUT OF TOWN.
SO, UM, I WILL GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF GENERALLY OF WHAT WE WERE GOING TO PRESENT TO YOU TONIGHT, BUT I DO NOT HAVE NECESSARILY ALL OF THE SPECIFICS AS IT RELATES TO THE HOMES BECAUSE THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY VERY UNEXPECTED AND HE APOLOGIZES THAT HE CANNOT BE HERE TONIGHT.
UM, SO THIS PARTICULAR SITE, 1000 CAMPUS DRIVE IS, UM, LOCATED IN THE PROVIDENCE CORPORATE CENTER.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE BOARD DID, UM, HERE SOME DID HAVE SOME INITIAL DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
UM, AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMMITTEE MEETING.
UH, WE WERE NOT THERE, BUT THIS PROPERTY IS, UM, ALMOST AN 18 ACRE SITE.
IT'S LOCATED IN THE IO TWO DISTRICT.
UM, AND IT IS IMPROVED WITHIN APPROXIMATELY 80,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING THAT IS CURRENTLY VACANT AS WELL AS, UM, OVER 500 PARKING SPACES ARE ON THE SITE.
UM, THE PROVIDENCE CORPORATE CENTER IS PART OF A, UM, MA WAS PART OF A MASTER PLAN THAT WAS BUILT OUT OVER TIME, UM, WITH A VARIETY OF USES.
AND THIS PARTICULAR SITE WAS ACTUALLY
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APPROVED FOR, UM, ON THE MASTER PLAN, UH, AN EXPANSION OF UP TO 150,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, WHICH WOULD'VE ALSO INCLUDED THE CONSTRUCTION OF A PARKING DECK ON THE SITE IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT WORKING WORK, THAT FULL BUILD OUT NEVER OCCURRED.SO WHAT'S THERE TODAY, UM, IS THAT 80,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, UM, LENNAR, UM, IS INTERESTED IN, AND THIS WOULD REQUIRE A ZONING CHANGE OR ZONING AMENDMENT TO YOUR ORDINANCE, BUT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN REDEVELOPING THE SITE, UM, WITH, AND WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE SKETCH PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU, UM, IS 120 TOWN HOMES.
SO, UM, THE IDEA BEHIND THIS, AND I KNOW JEFF HAD FLIPPED TO THAT SECOND PAGE, WHICH OVERLAYS, THERE ARE TWO ACCESS POINTS TO THE SITE TODAY.
UM, THE OFFICE BUILDING IS GENERALLY IN THE CENTER OF THE SITE AND THEN THE PARKING FIELD SURROUND IT.
UH, WHEN LENNAR WENT TO LOOK TO LAY OUT THE SKETCH THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT, UM, THEY WERE, THEY WERE TAKING A LOOK AT UTILIZING EXISTING ACCESS POINTS, UM, AND, AND LAYING OUT A SITE THAT'S GENERALLY, UM, WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF WHERE THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE TODAY.
OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD REQUIRE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE, BUT THE IDEA BEING NOT PUSHING OUT FARTHER, NOT PUSHING FURTHER INTO BUFFERS.
AND ON THE, UM, WESTERN SIDE OF THE SITE PLAN, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S A PARKING FIELD THERE, UM, THAT WOULD BE PULLED BACK.
UM, AND A STORMWATER BASIN IS ACTUALLY PROPOSED IN THAT AREA INSTEAD.
UM, THERE IS ONE EXISTING STORMWATER BASIN ON THE SITE, UM, THAT IS ABOVE THAT, UM, THAT WOULD REMAIN AND BE REUSED.
AND THEN THERE ARE THREE ADDITIONAL, UM, STORMWATER FACILITIES THAT ARE PROPOSED, INCLUDING ONE THAT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY AN ESSENTIAL GREEN AREA ON THE SITE.
UM, THE, THE TYPES OF TOWNHOUSES THAT ARE SHOWN HERE, THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF TOWN HOMES.
UM, THE DARK, DARKER ORANGE IN WHAT I'LL CALL THE CENTER OF THE SITE IS A APPROXIMATELY, IT'S SLIGHTLY LESS THAN 2000 SQUARE FEET.
IT'S A 1,989 IS WHAT I'M SEEING HERE.
UM, IT'S A 20 FOOT WIDE HOME WITH A, THESE ARE ALL REAR LOADED.
SO THESE ARE ACTUALLY REAR LOADED HOMES.
UM, AND THEY ARE A THREE STORY SLAB ON GRAY.
UM, THERE IS A, THAT'S THE, SORRY I'M SAYING THIS BACKWARDS.
THAT'S THE, UM, YELLOW, I APOLOGIZE, I'M SAYING THAT BACKWARDS.
THAT'S THE YELLOW, THE SORT OF THE LIGHTER ORANGE, WHICH IS ON THE BOTTOM.
PART OF THE PLAN, UM, IS A 20 FOOT WIDE MODEL.
IT HAS A ONE CAR FRONT ENTRY AND IT IS A THREE STORY TUCK UNDER.
THEY WERE ALSO LOOKING AT THE SITE TO CREATE VARIETY AND WORK WITH EXISTING GRADES AND, AND HOW THE SITE LAYS OUT TODAY.
AND THEN THE ORANGE IS THE LAST ONE.
UM, AGAIN, THEY'RE 20 FOOT WIDE.
UM, AND THEY ARE THE TWO, TWO CAR REAR LOADED.
SO THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UM, UNITS ON THE SITE.
UM, THEY ALL ARE UNDER, UH, 2000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, AND THEY ALL WOULD BE, UM, EITHER 20 FEET WIDE OR 24 FEET WIDE.
WHAT'S THE PRICE POINT? DO YOU KNOW, ALLISON? THE PRICE POINT? UM, I KNOW THEY WERE TRYING TO KEEP IT IN SORT OF THE, THIS IS AN AT LIKE TOLL BROTHERS LUXURY LEVEL.
IT WOULD BE AT A, AT A LOWER PRICE POINT THAN THAT.
THAT'S THE PART WHERE I'M FUMBLING A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT BECAUSE I WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE MIKE HERE WHO HAS THAT INFORMATION.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, UM, HE'S NOT, SO I WILL, WE WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THAT.
WE WERE PUTTING TOGETHER, UM, A FULL FISCAL ANALYSIS FOR EVERYONE TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
WE DID APPEAR IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THERE WAS A CONCERN, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER CONCERN WE HEARD ABOUT, OF COURSE, THE SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN.
SO WE WERE PUTTING TOGETHER, UH, INFORMATION FOR YOU BOTH ABOUT FINANCIAL IMPACT AND SCHOOL CHILDREN IMPACT.
WE DID DO ALSO A SIMPLE TRIP GENERATION ANALYSIS.
THIS PARTICULAR, UM, LOCATION ALREADY HAD OTHER ROAD IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AREA, UH, BASED ON A STRICT TRIP GENERATION ANALYSIS FOR THE SITE.
WHAT'S PROPOSED ON THIS PLAN IS SLIGHTLY LESS IN TERMS OF TRIP GENERATION THAN THE EXISTING SQUARE FOOTAGE, UM, OF THE OFFICE BUILDING THAT WAS THERE IF IT WAS AT FULL CAPACITY.
UM, WE DID NOT, WE DID NOT TAKE CREDIT FOR OR TAKE ADVANTAGE OF FURTHER BUILD OUT ON THE SITE.
UM, WE DID LIMIT IT TO WHAT'S THERE TODAY IN THAT ANALYSIS.
IS THERE ANY 55 PLUS AT ALL? THERE'S NO 55 PLUS PROPOSED IN THIS.
THESE WOULD BE STANDARD MARKET RATE TOWN HOMES.
YEAH, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THEY TALK ABOUT IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO LEAVE.
UH, SOME OF THE CONCERN OF THE SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN WAS TRYING TO ATTRACT 50, 55 PLUS.
WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE, WHAT THESE HOMES
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ARE, THEY'RE ALL GONNA HAVE SET STEPS IN THEM, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO ATTRACT THE 55 PLUS AT ALL HERE.THIS WOULD ALL BE YOUNG FAMILIES WITH SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN, EVERY BIT OF IT, AND IT'S JUST TOO MUCH.
SO EITHER THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, BRING IT DOWN TO, TO ONE FLOOR, UH, ONE STORY BUILT, UH, TOWN HOMES, UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE OVER HERE IN UH, WHITE SPRINGS AND UH, MAYBE BRING THE NUMBER DOWN TO SOMETHING LIKE 75, 80 UNITS ON, ON THE PROPERTY.
BUT, BUT THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS ALMOST DESERVE, WOULD ALMOST CERTAINLY PUSHES INTO A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE DON'T WANNA HAVE TO DO IS TO BUILD ANOTHER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
SO THEY TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT THIS CERTAINLY IS NOT, DIDN'T FOLLOW UP ONE ON DISCUSSION THAT I HEARD ABOUT ATTRACTING 55 PLUS.
IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, YOU NEED TO HAVE STEPS OUT OF IT.
NOW, WHAT THEY DID DOWN HERE AT THE QUEST PROPERTIES, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE PROMISING TO PUT ELEVATOR IN EVERY UNIT CORRECT.
TO, TO ALLEVIATE THAT PROBLEM.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT, BUT I I STILL THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, UH, A ONE STORY DESIGN AND, AND, AND LESS, A LITTLE LESS DENSITY THAN THIS.
I ALSO THOUGHT WE DISCUSSED THE, AT THE MEETING, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THIS WAS GONNA BE MORE FOR LIKE ENTRY LEVEL PROFESSIONAL, LIKE AFFORDABLE TOWN HOMES AND NOT, YOU KNOW, THE 500 PLUS, WHICH I MEAN THAT MIGHT LIMIT THE KIDS TOO BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THEIR PRICE RANGE IS INTENDED TO BE LESS THAN THE 500 PLUS.
UM, THEY WERE LOOKING AT A PRO, YOU KNOW, A VARIETY OF PRODUCT TYPES HERE, BUT SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T, LIKE I'M SAYING, IT'S NOT THE, THE TOLL BROTHERS LUXURY TOWN HOME.
IT IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PRODUCT HERE.
UM, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WE CAN PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT TOO.
THE INTENT TO NIGHT WAS, AND, AND I REALIZE WHAT THE, THE CONVERSATION WAS A PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, WE HAD WANTED TO BRING TO YOU JUST THIS INITIAL PLAN SO WE COULD GET YOUR ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK AND THEN FURTHER TAKE BACK CHANGES.
SO, UM, SO I DO RECALL THAT DISCUSSION AND I WILL TAKE THAT BACK TO THEM AS WELL AS THE DENSITY COMMENTS.
IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THINGS RELATED TO THE SITE, ET CETERA.
I'M HAPPY TO, HAPPY TO TAKE THEM BACK.
IT'S REALLY HARD TO TURN LEFT ON OUR COAL ROAD THERE NOW.
SO I JUST, IF WE ADD A LOT MORE HOUSING REVIEW, EVEN MORE CHALLENGING, IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION FOR SOMETHING LIKE QUEST WHERE YOU HAVE A MIXED RETAIL AND OR MAYBE SOME RESTAURANTS AND HOMES? I MEAN YOU HAVE ALL THE APARTMENTS THERE, YOU HAVE THE COURTYARD TO, TO, TO GIVE THE, IT'S LIKE ITS OWN LITTLE COMMUNITY TO GIVE IT SOMETHING THERE VERSUS ALWAYS DISPERSING.
AND I REALIZED UPPER THAT'S TOWN CENTERS JUST ACROSS THE ROAD.
BUT, UM, ROAD THOUGH, YOU KNOW, BUT I MEAN I JUST, AS WE DEVELOP OUT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IS HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU DEVELOP SMART? HOW DO YOU KIND OF LIMIT THE TRAFFIC? HOW DO YOU LESS IMPACT ON SCHOOLS? BUT I LIKE REPURPOSING THIS LAND.
I I LIKE THAT IT'S RIP IT OUT, RIP THE PARKING LOTS OUT, PUT IT, MAKE IT USABLE SPACE.
BUT JUST, JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE.
IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION FOR TWO RESTAURANTS? I, I'D HAVE TO TALK.
I WILL SAY THAT LENNAR THEMSELVES IS A JUST A HOME BUILDER.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT LIKE MY CLIENT THAT IS DEVELOPING 1201 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE WHERE THEY DO EVERYTHING, BUT I CERTAINLY CAN MENTION IT TO THEM.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SPECIFICALLY OPINE ON THAT.
UM, BUT I'LL CERTAINLY TAKE THAT BACK.
DO YOU HAVE ALL THE APARTMENTS THERE? YOU HAVE THE MARRIOTT THAT I IMAGINE THERE'S, IF YOU ZOOM OUT, THERE'S MORE OF THIS IN THAT AREA.
SO I'M JUST GONNA, THIS ISN'T THE LAST TIME SOMETHING'S COMING AT US ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROAD.
I LIKE THE AREA OF THE TOWNSHIP.
UM, AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS ON THE DENSITY, BUT UH, YEAH, WE'RE DEFINITELY DOING SOMETHING WITH IT.
YEAH, WE HAVE A LOT LEVERAGE HERE.
THIS REQUIRED A ZONING CHANGE.
WHOEVER'S LANE DOES IT, THAT'S A
SO OUR INTENT TONIGHT WAS JUST TO GET ANY INITIAL FEEDBACK THAT YOU HAVE ON IT.
YES, I, I GET THERE'S DENSITY 'CAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY INFRASTRUCTURE.
YOU COULD COME DOWN THAT NUMBER.
IT'S NOT LIKE YOU HAVE TO PUT ANYTHING IN THE GROUND.
I THINK EVEN THOUGH WE, THE WES SHOPPING CENTER IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, THAT IT, IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THERE BECAUSE TO GO ACROSS THAT BUSY ROAD, IT'D BE NICE JUST TO HAVE RIGHT THERE.
UM, BACK TO THAT PLAN, IS THERE A BASIN IN THE MIDDLE IF THAT'S WHAT THAT IS? YOU SAID THERE'S A BASIN.
THERE WOULD BE A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITY IN THE MIDDLE.
THAT IS THE INTENT AS WELL AS THREE SORT OF CIRCLING THE OUTSIDE.
THERE IS ONE EXISTING BASIN ON THE SITE TODAY.
THE ONE THAT'S LABELED EXISTING BASIN IN THE TOP CORNER THERE.
THAT'S THE ONLY STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITY ON THE SITE TODAY.
SO WE WOULD BE ADDING ADDITIONAL STORMWATER FACILITIES AS PART OF THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE AND AROUND 22 FOOT WIDE ROADS IN THE MIDDLE.
I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN INCREASE THAT.
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A CONVERSATION WHEN, UM, WE FIRST, UM, TALKED TO STAFF ABOUT THIS.UM, WE WERE SHOWING CERTAIN ROADS AS NARROWER AND WE WERE ASKED TO INCREASE THEM TO 22 FEET.
SO THESE ARE WHAT, WHAT I'LL CALL REAR LOADED.
THE REAR LOADED UNITS ARE IN THE CENTER.
UM, THE ROADS SORT OF CIRCLING THE OUTSIDE ARE 26 FEET WIDE.
WE CERTAINLY COULD INCREASE IT.
WE WERE TRYING TO BALANCE THOSE TWO THINGS, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY COULD BE ADJUSTED AS WELL, PARTICULARLY IF, IF WE'RE REEVALUATING THE DENSITY ON THE SITE.
WE APPRECIATE YOU, APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND I APOLOGIZE THAT MIKE COULD NOT BE HERE BUT APPRECIATE STANDING.
YEAH, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I'D LIKE THAT YOU BRING THESE AHEAD OF TIME.
AND SOCIALIZE IT A LITTLE BIT.
ALRIGHT, THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, CONSIDER DOCK RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 28 GRANTING TENTATIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL TO 4 25 SOUTH MENNONITE ROAD NINE LOT SUBDIVISION.
UM, JASON SCHMIDT IS ALSO HERE.
OUR FIRM, OUR ENGINEERING FIRM.
HOW ENGINEERING, UM, THE LOT IS ACTUALLY TWO SEPARATE PARCELS.
ONE THAT WE OWN IS 9.99 ACRES.
THE SECOND PARCEL'S AT SIX 40 TRAP ROAD, WE HAVE THAT UNDER AGREEMENT OF SALE.
SO TECHNICALLY WE'RE THE EQUITABLE OWNERS OF THE LOT.
UM, WE ARE PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A ROAD THAT RUNS FROM MENNONITE ROAD OUT TO TRAP ROAD AND BUILD NINE SINGLE FRIENDLY HOMES THERE.
UM, FOR THE MOST, WE UH, BELIEVE WE DO NOT NEED ANY ZONING RELIEF WHATSOEVER.
THEY'RE MINIMUM ONE ACRE BY THAT.
UM, WE ALSO, UH, BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD NOT BE SEEKING ANY SDO AT THIS POINT, WAIVERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND ONCE WE GET INTO FULL ENGINEERING, WE MIGHT NEED SOMETHING, BUT WE'RE NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING BUT SO APPEARS TO BE A BUY RIGHT PLAN.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE'VE HAD A SEVERAL REVIEWS OF THE, UH, LETTERS IN.
I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY IF I CAN CHARACTERIZE THE NATURE OF THOSE REVIEWS, THEY SEEM TO HAVE SOME CONCERNS THAT PERHAPS MAYBE BE A THOROUGH ROAD FROM MENNONITE TO TRAP.
THERE MAY BE SOME CONCERNS WITH THE INTERSECTION ON TRAP IN THE, IN THE SITE DISTANCES.
UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AS I UNDERSTOOD, TOOK A NEUTRAL POSITION, BUT WE DID HEAR THEIR COMMENTS.
WE HEARD THE COMMENTS FROM THE REVIEW LETTERS.
UH, LAST WEEK I THINK IT WAS JEFF, I SENT YOU A, ANOTHER REVISED VERSION OF THE PLAN.
UH, IF YOU COULD MAYBE BUILD THAT UP A LITTLE BIT WHERE WE TURN IT INTO A CUL-DE-SAC, WHICH I WOULD THINK WOULD ADDRESS THE MAJOR ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED AT THE TIME.
UM, THE CUL-DE-SAC FRANKLY IS I THINK A MORE ACCEPTABLE PLAN FOR US.
UH, I KNOW YOU DO NOT GIVE WAIVERS AT THIS POINT, BUT I WOULD POINT OUT TO YOU, YOU PROBABLY NEED A WAIVER FOR THE LENGTH OF THE ACTUAL CUL-DE-SAC ROAD.
IT'S PROBABLY, I THINK IT REQUIRES 600 FEET.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE LESS, MORE THAN THAT.
NOT MUCH, BUT IT'S GONNA BE PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN PRIOR.
AND WE WOULD PROBABLY ALSO NEED TWO CONDITIONAL USES.
UH, FOR LOTS SIX AND SEVEN THERE WILL BE INTERIOR LOTS AND I BELIEVE THE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR THAT.
AND LOT SEVEN WE WOULD NEED A, UH, A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL 'CAUSE OF REVERSE FRONTAGE.
LOT WAS IN ESSENCE THE DRIVEWAY WOULD BE NEEDED FROM THE CUL-DE-SAC TO LOT SEVEN.
BUT IT WOULD BE FRONTING TOWARDS THE CUL-DE-SAC.
SO TECHNICALLY IT'S A REVERSE LOT FRONTAGE.
BUT UM, AGAIN, THERE ARE DETAILS THAT WE CAN GET INTO, UH, WHEN WE GET INTO THE ACTUAL LAND DEVELOPMENT.
UH, BUT OUR THOUGHTS WERE TO SHOW YOU BOTH PLANS, SEE IF YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE FROM ONE OVER THE OTHER AND SEE IF YOU, UH, ACTUALLY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT CONCEPTUALLY EITHER PLAN THAT WE CAN ADDRESS AT THIS TIME SO WE GO FORWARD WITH IT.
WE CAN ADDRESS 'EM IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION.
MS. CULDESAC ONE, IT ALLEVIATES THE PROBLEM OF GOING OUT TO TRAP.
AND IN FRANKLY IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE APPEALING TO US.
'CAUSE NOW YOU'RE NOT BUILDING A ROAD ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
UM, PREVIOUSLY WE HAD SOME ISSUES WITHOUT THE UM, SIX 40 TRAP ROAD, UH, WITH THE SEWER WHOSE GRADING WOULD NOT LET GRAVITY FLOW TO TRAP.
BUT NOW IF WE HAVE THAT OTHER PROPERTY EVERYTH THINK GRAVITY FLOWS TO TRAP.
SO KIND OF ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE ENGINEERING CONCERNS OF DEVELOPING THE PROJECT WITHOUT THE UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
IS THIS STILL ONE ACRE LOSS? YES.
UH, THE DRIVEWAY FOR LOT SIX AND SEVEN, WOULD THEY SHARE A PORTION OF THAT? YEAH, THEY WOULD.
UH, THERE WOULD BE A, THERE'S GONNA BE AN EASEMENT OVER, UM, SIX AND SEVEN TO CREATE THE DRIVEWAY.
JUST THOSE TWO SHARES? YEAH, JUST THE TWO AND IT'LL BE A 20 FOOT DRIVEWAY, WHICH WE THOUGHT WAS ADEQUATE
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FOR EMERGENCY, YOU KNOW, UH, VEHICLES.BUT AGAIN, WE GET INTO LAND DEVELOPMENT.
IF FIRE MARSHAL HAS SOME OTHER COMMENT, WE'LL OBVIOUSLY ADDRESS THAT AT THE TIME.
YEAH, I THINK FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY THIS MUCH SAFER PLAN BECAUSE WHERE YOU WERE, WHERE YOU'RE PROPOSING PUNCH IN THE ROAD OUT ON TRAP ROAD IS IN A LIMITED SIGHTLINE AREA THAT ALREADY HAS A REDUCED SPEED LIMIT BECAUSE OF THE, UH, 4 22 OVERPASS THERE.
AND IT WOULD ALSO CAUSE AN ISSUE WHEN PEOPLE STARTING TO USE THIS AS A CUT THROUGH THE ROAD.
YEAH, I DEFINITELY THE CUL-DE-SAC, I DON'T THINK WE CAN, I DON'T THINK WE CAN GO MUCH FURTHER WITH THE OTHER ONES.
I MEAN THAT'S WHY WE'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY MAKE THAT PATENT BETTER.
THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT IT TO BROAD.
SORRY, THE ROAD ON THAT GOES FROM MENNONITE ROAD, IS THAT GOING IN BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE'S HOUSES? IS THERE ENOUGH ROOM FOR THAT? YES, THERE IS.
THERE WAS THE ORIGINAL FARMHOUSE THAT MY CLIENT VISUALLY REDEVELOPED AND REFURBISHED AND HE MADE A, A MINOR SUBDIVISION AT THAT TIME.
BUT IT WAS ALL DESIGNED TO ALLOW THAT A FUTURE ROAD TO GET BACK TO THE OTHER REMAINING ACRES.
DO WE HAVE A PICTURE THAT SHOWS THE EXISTING HOMES AROUND THIS? NOW THEY'RE LAID OUT.
IS THERE ANY CONCERN ABOUT HOW CLOSE THEY'LL BE, EXCUSE ME, ANY CONCERN ABOUT HOW CLOSE THEY'LL BE TO 4 22? IS IT WITHIN THE NORM OF WHAT OTHER HOUSES ALONG 4 22 R OR WOULD THESE BE THE CLOSEST? I, UH, THAT UM, AGAIN, CHASE, WHY DON'T YOU COME UP HERE FOR A SECOND.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS IF YOU LOOK AT, AND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT BETTER PLANNED.
I DIDN'T REALIZE YOUR FOLKS DIDN'T HAVE THIS ONE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE, THESE REAR SETBACKS THERE, ALL OF THE PROPERTY LINE AND WE, WE DIDN'T PUSH IT ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK EITHER.
AND AGAIN, THERE'S CONCEPTUALLY WHERE THE, WHERE THE ACTUAL HOUSES WOULD BE.
UM, AND I JUST ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THIS IS, UM, AS THIS CONCEPT WHERE THERE'D BE, BUT WE'RE ALWAYS OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS IF YOU HAD ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT.
BUT WE OBVIOUSLY WANNA KEEP 'EM AS FAR AWAY FROM 4 22 FOR THE NOISE, YOU KNOW, AS POSSIBLE.
GEORGE, IN LIGHT OF THE FEEDBACK, ARE YOU WITHDRAWING THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION? 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WAS LISTED FOR TONIGHT ON THE AGENDA.
IF THE BOARD'S INCLINED TO TO, TO TELL US GO IN THE ROOT OF THE CUL-DE-SAC, THEN I WOULD SAY YES, WE WITHDRAW IT.
MY UNDERSTANDING FROM JEFF IS WE WOULD'VE TO COME BACK BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COME BACK BEFORE YOU AGAIN.
THAT WOULD BE MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROCESS.
BUT WE WANTED YOUR FEEDBACK FIRST BEFORE WE, SO WE KNEW WHAT TO DO.
SO WE, HOW DO WE MAKE THAT DECISION? WELL I WOULD, I HAD ACTUALLY WITHDRAW.
WITHDRAW THE ONES FOR TONIGHT.
THE ONLY THING I'D ASK IS, UM, IF WE CAN GET ON THE AGENDAS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, BUT WAS WE WERE UNDER A DUE DILIGENCE CONSIDERATION FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
SO IF WE CAN GET ON THERE IN SEPTEMBER, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.
UM, YOU'D PROBABLY BE THE SECOND MEETING IN SEPTEMBER.
I GUESS THAT WOULD BE THE 18TH IN FRONT OF THE BOARD IN, IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS.
THERE'S TWO PLANNING COMMISSIONS AND THEN THAT WOULD HAVE TO, THAT WOULD'VE TO PUSH YOU TO OCTOBER.
TWO WEEKS IS NOT ENOUGH TIME FOR THE ENGINEERS TO LOOK AT THE PLAN TO MAKE ANY REVIEWS.
IF YOU JUST SAY, I MEAN EVEN PUSHING IT TO THE SECOND MEETING OF THE MONTH IS SHORT CUTTING A LOT OF THEIR TIME THAT, THAT OTHER PLANS ARE QUEUED UP IN THAT PROCESS.
BUT YOU STILL SQUEEZE IN BEFORE OUR NEXT SUPERVISOR.
YEAH, I THINK JEFF SAY IN OCTOBER SUPERVISOR, I THINK, LEMME LOOK AT THE CALENDAR SOMETIMES THOSE ARE A LITTLE QUIRKY.
YEAH, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A MEETING, YOUR NEXT MEETING IS THE 16TH OF SEPTEMBER.
MY PLANNING COMMISSION IS THE 18TH OF NOVEMBER.
SO THERE'S ONLY ONE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING UNTIL THE NEXT ONE.
YEAH, SEPTEMBER 4TH IS JUST TOO QUICK OF A TURNAROUND.
I MEAN WE, WE, I DON'T THINK THEY COULD REVIEW IT IN TIME AND THEN WE'D HAVE YOU ON THE 18TH AND THEN YOU'D BE ON THE 14TH OF OCTOBER.
WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK.
THEN THE QUESTION A COUPLE QUICK, WHAT'S THE POINT, UH, PRICE POINT, UM, HAS THAT BEEN SET? THIS IS, UM, THE PRINCIPLE OF THE APPLICANT.
MIKE SOROKA, MIKE SOROKA, ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, IN DOING THE STUDY FOR MARKET CONDITIONS, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A SHORTAGE OF SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES UP HERE WHEN I DO A LOT OF REAL ESTATE AND I SELL A LOT OF RESALES.
UM, AND WHEN WE PUT THESE PROPERTIES ON THE MARKET, THERE'S MULTIPLE BIDS USUALLY ON 'EM.
UM, SO THESE ARE PROBABLY GONNA BE AROUND THE 3000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, RANGE.
AND THEY'RE RANGED ANYWHERE FROM, UH, MID NINES TO AROUND A MILLION BUCKS.
THAT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE PRIVATE.
AND YOU HAD SAID THERE'S AN OLD, THERE WAS AN OLD FARMHOUSE.
WELL, AND IF YOU LOOK AT ABOVE, I BELIEVE THAT IS, I CAN'T SEE IT LOT.
THAT'S WHERE THE FARMHOUSE USED TO BE.
SO WE, WE GOT INTO THE PROJECT, WE BAILED SOMEBODY OUT THAT WAS BANKRUPT PRETTY MUCH, AND HE WAS IN THE MIDDLE
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OF REHABBING THAT.UM, SO WE WERE ABLE TO FINISH IT AND DO A MINOR SUBDIVISION.
SO THE FARMHOUSE TURNED OUT ACTUALLY BEAUTIFUL.
UM, THERE WAS A BIG BARN THAT WAS BEHIND IT THAT WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE KEPT, BUT IT WAS 10 FOOT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO WE HAD TO TEAR IT DOWN IN ORDER TO GET THE MINOR SUBDIVISION.
BUT YOU'LL SEE IN BETWEEN THE FARMHOUSE ON THE RIGHT, AN EXISTING HOUSE ON THE LEFT, THERE'S ALREADY A CURB CUT THERE, THERE'S A CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE AND A CURB CUT ALREADY THERE.
SO WE'RE NOT MAKING A NEW ROAD THAT'S NOT ALREADY THERE.
YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? UH, JUST, UH, FORMALLY WITHDRAWAL THE PREVIOUS ONE AND WE'LL BE BACK ONCE THE NEW PLAN IS READY.
NEXT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER ADVERSE EMPLOYMENT ACTION AGAINST THE DIRECTOR OF INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TERMINATE THE, UH, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY EMPLOYEE THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION PRIOR TO THIS MEETING.
CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF A SIX MONTH IT SERVICES CONTRACT WITH PC, PC SOLUTIONS INC.
PBA RICH SUPPORT TECHNOLOGIES, POTSTOWN, PA.
YEAH, I ASKED, UH, THE SOLICITOR REVIEW THIS AND I THINK IT'S PRETTY COMPLETE.
HE DID SUGGEST THAT WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFICS REGARDING THEIR SERVICES AND, UM, WE HAVE A, UH, LINE LEVEL PER PERSON BY THE NAME OF SEAN
AND I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT.
HE'S REALLY STEPPED UP TO THE PLATE AND HELPING US DURING THIS TRANSITION.
THE RIDGE SUPPORT CONTRACT WILL BE FOR A SIX MONTH TRANSITION.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, THEY'RE DOING SOME HIGH LEVEL FORENSICS OF OUR SYSTEM.
WE'RE HOPING AFTER SIX MONTHS WE'LL BE GETTING IN MORE OF A, A NORMAL RELATIONSHIP WHERE THEY'LL BE HERE ONCE A WEEK.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT A PROVISION.
WE'LL BE HERE FOR LIKE THREE DAYS, MONDAY, WEDNESDAY, AND FRIDAY TO HELP SEAN, UH, GET STABILIZED.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT DOING, UH, THEY'RE CURRENTLY UPDATING OUR FIREWALLS, UM, DOING SOME, UH, SEPARATE CONFINED SERVICES FOR POLICE AND FIRE AND LOOKING AT MAKING SURE ALL OF OUR BACKUPS AND SWITCHES ARE IN PLACE.
SO EVERYTHING'S GOING SMOOTHLY.
UM, NO, UH, NO ISSUES, UH, TO REPORT, UM, THAT I SUPPORT, UH, THIS, UH, THIS SIX MONTH AGREEMENT, RICH SUPPORT THE CO DOES WORK AT, UM, CONTRACT WORK AT, UH, LAMBER TOWNSHIP AND POTTSTOWN.
AND THEY'VE BEEN IN THE MUNICIPAL IT SUPPORT BUSINESS FOR ABOUT 40 YEARS.
WHAT WE JUST WANNA TRY THEM OUT.
LIKE WE DON'T WANNA COMMIT TO MORE THAN THAT OR SIX MONTH, UH, TO, UM, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT A THREE DAYS A WEEK.
I DON'T THINK AFTER SIX MONTHS WE'LL NEED THREE DAYS.
IT IS, THIS IS MORE OF A TRANSITION.
I THINK WE DO WANT TO RETAIN THE THEN SEAN, UM, AFTER SIX MONTHS, BUT MAYBE IT'S TWO DAYS, PROBABLY BE ONE DAY.
I THINK IT'LL BE A MORE STABLE OPERATION.
SO THEY, THEY CHARGE US FOR THE DAYS THAT THEY HAVE SOMEBODY OUT HERE.
BUT, UH, EVEN IF WE CUT BACK TO TWO DAYS, I JUST WANT TO AGAIN REITERATE, IF SOMEBODY NEEDS TO MANAGE THINGS LIKE SECURITY PATCHES, YOU TALKED ABOUT FIREWALL UPDATES, THOSE SORT OF THINGS, THEY HAVE TO HAPPEN ON A REGULAR BASIS.
UH, SIX MONTHS, YOU'RE GONNA TRY TO GET US IN THE BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES SO THAT WE'LL BE READY TO, IN A BETTER SITUATION, ABOUT SIX MONTHS.
AS FOR MOTION, I, ONE MORE QUESTION.
SO THE IDEA IS THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO REPLACE THE IT DIRECTOR, THE IT DIRECTOR THAT WE TURNED, I THINK IS THAT THIS IS HOLDING YOU OVER UNTIL YOU EXPLORE THAT.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT RETAINING THEM AFTER THE SIX MONTH.
WE STILL HAVE A FULL-TIME LINE PERSON.
IT, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A HYBRID SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE A CONTRACT VERSUS A LINE LEVEL EMPLOYEE.
WHO, WHO DOES THAT PERSON REPORT TO YOU? OKAY, I MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION OF A SIX MONTH IT SERVICES CONTRACT WITH PC SOLUTIONS INC.
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TECHNOLOGIES PASSED DOWN.I'LL SECOND THAT ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
CONSIDER AWARDING A BID FOR THE COLLEGE OF ROAD IN DO RUN BOULEVARD WITH SIGNAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT ARMOR AND SUNS ELECTRIC OF MILE HO PA.
THE TOWNSHIP PROCEEDED THE GREEN LIGHT GO GRANT FROM PENNDOT IN THE AMOUNT OF $399,101 FOR THIS PROJECT TO UPGRADE THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT COLLEGEVILLE ROAD AND DO RUN THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE BIDDER IS ARMOR AND SONS IN THE AMOUNT OF $411,351.
SO WE HAVE TO THROW A LITTLE MONEY TOWARDS IT.
UM, PUBLIC WORKS HAS BEEN DEALING WITH THIS TRAFFIC SIGNAL AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN HERE, AND THAT'S A PRETTY LONG TIME.
SO I'M GLAD TO SEE IT GO AWAY.
AND WE'LL ACTUALLY HAVE, UH, MASKS AND ARMS AND A REAL TRAFFIC SIGNAL OUT THERE.
DO YOU WANT TO, UH, ADD ANYTHING? YEAH.
UM, I'M HERE FOR CASEY THIS EVENING.
YOU HAVE TO SEE MY FACE THIS EVENING.
BUT, UM, YEAH, UH, JUST REALLY QUICKLY, I GUESS, AS TOM MENTIONED, GREEN LINE GO GRANTS, UH, YOU RECEIVED TWO BIDS, THE LOW BIDDER BEING ARMOR AND SONS FOR FOUR 11.
UM, SO THERE IS A, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A LONG PROCESS GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH PENDO.
WE FINALLY GOT THE PERMITS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED.
THE GRANT EXPIRES IN JUNE OF NEXT YEAR.
SO THERE IS A, WE GOTTA GET OUT THERE AND GOING, I GUESS.
SO THE, YOU KNOW, THE FASTER WE AWARD, THE FASTER WE CAN GET THEM OUT THERE.
BUT BASICALLY THE UPGRADES, AS TOM MENTIONED, THERE'S SPAN WIRE OUT THERE TODAY.
IT'S BEEN THERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
UH, SO WHEN THE IDEA WAS BOUNCED AROUND, THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, FOR THE GREEN LIGHT CODE SOUGHT AFTER WE'VE GOT THE FUNDS, UH, THANKFULLY.
UM, AND THAT THE IDEA IS TO PROVIDE NEW MASTER ARMS WITH LUMINAIRES.
UH, THEY'LL BE UPGRADED PEDESTRIAN EQUIPMENT AT THE EXISTING LOCATION ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION.
UM, AND THE, UM, THERE'LL BE NEW JUNCTION BOXES.
THERE'LL BE, UH, ACCESSIBLE, UH, PEDESTRIAN SIGNALS.
SO THE AUDIBLE SIGNALS FOR THOSE PEDESTRIANS, THEY HAND THE, HAS THE OLD FUNCTIONING PEDESTRIAN EQUIPMENT.
NOW THOSE WILL BE REVISED AND FULLY UPGRADED.
UM, THERE WAS SOME PRELIMINARY PLANNING DONE, AS WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE'S THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS, THE FORMER QUEST SITE, THERE WAS A LOT OF COORDINATION ON WHERE MASTER ARMS AND ALL THESE THINGS ARE GONNA GO.
SO THAT WAS FULLY ENGINEERED, BUT THE ANTICIPATION THAT THERE'LL BE SOME WORK DONE THAT, UM, DEVELOPMENTS, SO THERE WAS A LOT OF PLANNING THERE WITH PENDO AND THE DEVELOPER MIKE.
SO I THINK IT'LL BE A GOOD PROJECT.
UM, UH, THE GRANTS ORIGINALLY, I'LL MENTION, I WAS DISCUSSING THIS WITH TOM, THE GRANT ORIGINALLY, YOU KNOW, PURSUED THE IDEA OF PROVIDING PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS.
UM, ON THE NORTHERN, THE NORTHERN SIDE, UH, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE, THERE'S A LITTLE PIECE OF SIDEWALK THAT EXTENDS ON THE OLD QUEST SITE.
SO THE IDEA WAS, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY DOING HEAVY PEDESTRIAN DESIGN AS PART OF THESE GREEN LIGHT GOES, IS NOT PART OF THE PROCESS BECAUSE OF HOW COMPLEX THEY GET.
BUT THE IDEA WAS TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO IMPROVE SOME SAFETY AND, AND PURSUE THAT.
UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN WE STARTED RUNNING THE ANALYSIS, THE, UM, PEDESTRIANS HAD TO MOVE TO THE SOUTH SIDE TO MAKE THAT A SAFE MOVEMENT BECAUSE OF THE DUAL LEFTS COMING OUT OF THE GLASGOW.
AND, UH, THE DUAL LEFTS COMING OUT OF THE EXISTING QUESTS AND FORESEEING THE FUTURE TRAFFIC FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT.
SO, COORDINATING WITH PENDOT, ANY PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION IN THE FUTURE WOULD HAVE TO BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING COORDINATED OUTSIDE OF THE GRANTS WITH DEVELOPMENT.
UM, BUT IT WAS TAKEN OUT OF THE GRANTS, UH, BECAUSE IT WAS STARTING TO BE THAT THAT PROJECT WAS STARTING TO GROW IN AND OF ITSELF DUE TO DRAINAGE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS, UH, CULVER'S IMPACT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO, UM, THAT'S BEING COORDINATED SEPARATELY AND OUTSIDE OF THE GRANTS.
UH, BUT THE GRANT IS GONNA FULLY MODERNIZE THAT INTERSECTION, UPGRADE THE PEDESTRIAN EQUIPMENT, UM, CHANGE RADAR TO VIDEO DETECTIONS, WHICH WOULD BE A BIG, UH, CHANGE OF THE MY VISION UNITS.
UM, AND AGAIN, THOSE NEW MASS ARMS WILL HAVE LUMINAIRE TO BETTER ELIMINATE THAT INTERSECTION.
SO WE'RE TAKING A GOOD STEP, I GUESS, WITH THIS GRANT.
SO THAT'S A QUICK SUMMARY OF EVERYTHING.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OF THE YOU NARROW SCOPE, WE WANTED THE OTHER PART THAT YOU MENTIONED, IS THAT STILL GOING THROUGH A GRANT PROCESS? OR HOW, HOW WOULD WE OBJECTION THE PORTION.
SO WHAT WE DID AS PART OF THIS GRANT IS WITH THE ANTICIPATION OF, SO THE, THE DEVELOPMENT HAPPENED TO COME IN AROUND THE TIME OUR INITIAL COORDINATION WITH PENDO WAS OCCURRING FOR THE DESIGN.
UM, BUT BECAUSE THAT SCOPE STARTED TO GROW, WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION WITH PENDO, THE UNDERSTOOD THE CONCERNS AND NOT HAVING THE CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS START GROWING AND BASICALLY BEING, YOU KNOW, AN IMPROVEMENT THAT THE TOWNSHIP WOULD HAVE TO FUND OUTSIDE OF THE GRANTS.
UM, WHAT WE DID IS SET THE SIGNAL UP FOR FUTURE CONNECTIONS SO THAT
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THE WIRING THAT'S HAPPENING AS PART OF THIS GRANT IS BEING DONE IN ANTICIPATION OF ANY FUTURE PEDESTRIAN ACCOMMODATIONS THAT ARE MADE.SO THE WIRING IS SET UP, YOU KNOW, THE, THE AMOUNT OF WIRES AND ALL THAT STUFF THAT GOES UNDERGROUND AND IN THE BOXES IS BEING SET UP SO THAT FUTURE CONNECTION COULD HAPPEN WITHOUT FULL DISTURBANCE, AGAIN TO HAVING TO TEAR UP ROADS A SECOND TIME AND THAT SORT OF THING.
SO IT WAS BUILT IN, IN THE WIRING FOR ANTICIPATION OF FUTURE CONNECTION, BUT NO PHYSICAL PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS WERE BEING DONE.
YOU SAID WE HAD A, WE HAVE TO GET THE PROJECT DONE BY WHAT JUNE? WELL, THE, THE, THE GRANT EXPIRES IN JUNE.
UH, I FORGET THE SPECIFIC DATE, JUNE OF 25.
DOES THAT MEAN EVERYTHING HAS TO BE RECTIFIED THEN? CONSTRUCTION HAS TO BE.
SO FINAL BILLINGS NEED TO OCCUR, I BELIEVE, ONE OR TWO MONTHS PRIOR TO THAT.
UM, SO THERE HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL EXTENSION IF YOU CAN SHOW THAT YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY DONE AND YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO CLOSE THINGS OUT.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE BUILT THE, WHEN WE PUT THE BID DOCUMENTS TOGETHER, UM, THE CONTRACTORS UNDERSTOOD THE DEADLINE.
SO THEY'RE, THEY FACTORED IN OUR COSTS THAT WE SEE IN FRONT OF US, PARTICULARLY WITH THE ARMOR AND SON, UM, THAT WAS BUILT INTO THEIR COSTS.
AND SO THEY UNDERSTAND THE SCHEDULE.
UM, AND AS SOON AS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE MOVE FORWARD, I THINK THE FIRST THING THEY'RE GONNA START DOING IS ORDERING THE MA ARMS. 'CAUSE THOSE HAVE THE LONGEST LEAD TIME.
UM, BUT THINGS COULD GET STARTED PRETTY MUCH, UH, RIGHT AWAY.
THE MASS ARMS IS PROBABLY GONNA BE THE LAST THING WE'RE WAITING FOR.
'CAUSE THAT'S JUST HOW IT GOES WITH LIMITED SUPPLIERS AND LONG LEAD TIMES FOR THESE MASTER ON ITEMS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
I MAKE A MOTION TO AVOID THE BID FOR THE COLLEGE B ROAD AND DO RUN THE BOULEVARD SINGLE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT TO ARMOR AND SONS ELECTRIC IN THE AMOUNT OF FOUR 11,351 25 CENTS AS LOW AS POSSIBLY BID.
CONSIDER DOCTRINE RESOLUTIONS 2024 DASH 29.
APPOINTING THE FINANCE DIRECTOR AND ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR AS THE TOWNSHIP DELEGATES TO THE TAX COLLECTION COMMITTEE.
AND COLLEEN, WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THAT TO 2024 DASH 27 BECAUSE WE DIDN'T MOVE ON THE OTHER TWO AHEAD OF IT.
SO WHEN THE MOTION IS MADE, IT'S 2024 DASH 27, IS THERE ANYTHING WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT? THIS IS MORE OF A HOUSE, A HOUSEKEEPING, UH, RESOLUTION.
ACT 32, UM, I THINK IT WAS ENACTED A FEW YEARS AGO, REQUIRES, UH, EIT COLLECTION, UH, TO BE HANDLED AT THE COUNTY BASIS.
SO EACH COUNTY IN THE STATE HAS THEIR OWN, WHAT THEY CALL THE TAX COLLECTION COMMITTEE.
AND IT'S, IT CONSISTS OF SCHOOL DISTRICTS, TOWNSHIPS, BUREAUS, ANYBODY WHO, UH, HAS THE POWER TO LEVY THE EIT.
AND EACH TOWN IS EXPECTED TO, UH, HAVE A TAX COLLECTED AT WHAT THEY CALL A TCC DELEGATE APPOINTED.
USUALLY THAT'S THE FINANCE DIRECTOR AND THE ALTERNATE DELEGATES, USUALLY THE ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR AND JOE WILL GLADLY BE THE DELEGATE MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 27, APPOINTING THE FINANCES DIRECTOR AND ASSISTANT FINANCES DIRECTOR AS THE TOWNSHIP DELEGATES TO THE TAX COALITION COMMITTEE.
NEXT IS CONSIDER SETTING A DATE AND TIME FOR PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTING THE TOWNSHIP OF PROVIDENCE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
PROPOSED DATE AND TIME IS NOVEMBER 18TH, 2024 AT 7:00 PM WE WILL BE, UM, WRAPPING UP THE DOCUMENT OVER THE NEXT TWO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS.
THIS WE'RE SECOND STATE SO FAR IN ADVANCE BECAUSE PER THE MPC, THE MUNICIPALITY'S PLANNING CODE, IT'S A REQUIRED 45 DAY REVIEW PERIOD BY EXTERNAL MUNICIPALITIES, BY EVERYBODY THAT TOUCHES US, LIKE CU COUNTY, CHESTER COUNTY.
SO WE HAVE TO SET THE TIME OUT PRETTY FAR IN ADVANCE TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE FOR THEM TO REVIEW IT.
WE'LL PROBABLY GET SOMETHING FROM THE COUNTY, MAYBE SOMETHING FROM, FROM CHESTER COUNTY.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WRAP UP THE DOCUMENT OVER THE NEXT TWO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS AND THEN WE'LL MOVE IT FORWARD.
AND THIS GIVES US PLENTY OF TIME TO COMPLY WITH THE MPC TO ADOPT IT.
I'M HOPING, DEPENDING ON HOW THE SCHEDULE WORKS OUT, TO SORT OF HAVE A INTRODUCTION TO IT AT THE, UH, OCTOBER BOARD MEETING, A QUICK, YOU KNOW, SUMMARY OF IT SO THAT WHEN WE DO GET TO THE HEARING, THERE MAY BE SOME QUESTIONS, SOME QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE.
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IT'S A RELATIVELY QUICK PROCESS TO ADOPT IT, MOSTLY BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED THE WHOLE TIME BECAUSE, LIKE THE MEETING WE HAD A FEW MONTHS AGO, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY IS TAKING THOSE COMMENTS AND PUTTING THEM INTO WORDS AND PICTURES, AND HOPEFULLY YOU AGREE WITH WHAT I'VE WRITTEN ABOUT THAT.AND MOVING FORWARD, WE HAVE TO GET APPROVAL OR WE HAVE TO SEND IT TO OUR NEIGHBORS.
YOU HAVE TO SEND IT TO EVERY MUNICIPALITY THAT, THAT YOU BORDER.
SO, AND BECAUSE EVEN IN, IN CHESTER COUNTY, WE, THERE'S QUITE A FEW.
SO IT, IT TENDS TO BE A, YOU KNOW, QUITE A NUMBER OF THEM.
IT'S ALL DONE ELECTRONICALLY NOWADAYS.
I MEAN, IT USED TO BE WHERE YOU WOULD GET A, YOU KNOW, AN ENVELOPE ABOUT THAT FAT AND YOU'D HAVE TO REVIEW IT.
NOW IT'S, WE'LL SEND OUT A LETTER WITH A LINK TO OUR WEBSITE WHERE THE PLAN IS, AND THEN THEY, WHEN THEY HAVE THAT LETTER, THEY CAN CONTACT ME AND WE CAN SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS IT.
AND THEY'RE GIVING US A REVIEW, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE PROCESS THE COUNTY WILL GO THROUGH.
UM, FOR MUNICIPALITY LIKE LIMERICK OR PERKIOMEN OR EAST VINCENT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEY PROBABLY WON'T SEND A REVIEW LETTER, THEY RARELY EVER DO UNLESS THERE'S SOME CONTROVERSY.
IT REALLY IS JUST TO SORT OF SHOW COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS.
SO IF WE WERE SUGGESTING AN AIRPORT, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE, LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT EAST VINCENT TOWNSHIP MIGHT GO, EH, WE DON'T WANT THE AIRPORT THAT CLOSE TO US.
ANY QUESTIONS? I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION.
WE SET THE DATE AND TIME FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTING THE TOWNSHIP OF UPPER PROVIDENCE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR NOVEMBER 18TH, 2024 AT 7:00 PM I'LL SECOND THERE.
CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE EXPORT OF TOPSOIL FROM THE HEART FIELD TOLL FOLEY DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AS YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN DRIVING BY THIS SITE, THEY'RE TAKING A LOT OF DIRT AND HAVING TO CUT A LOT OF DIRT OUT.
WHAT THEY'VE DONE UP TO THIS POINT IS THEY'VE TAKEN SOME DIRT TO THE TAYLOR FARM AND IT IS SORT OF THE NORTHERN EDGE OF WHAT I'M SHOWING YOU HERE.
AND THEY'VE GIVEN US SOME DIRT AND THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF BRINGING US MORE DIRT.
SO TO MAKE A LEVEL AREA TO EVENTUALLY BUILD A PARKING LOT, THEY STILL HAVE MORE DIRT THAN THEY NEED.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYWHERE IN THE TOWNSHIP THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT DIRT STORE THAT DIRT OR USE THAT DIRT OTHER THAN WHAT WE'VE ALREADY USED AT TAYLOR.
SO THEY NEED PERMISSION FROM US TO REMOVE IT FROM THE TOWNSHIP, FROM YOU.
WE'RE ALREADY STORING A BIG POT ACROSS THE STREET.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO HOW BIG IT IS, BUT IT IS SIZE.
WE REALLY CAN'T PUT ANYWHERE OVER THERE.
WE TRY TO KEEP IT IN THE TOWNSHIP AS BEST WE CAN AND TRY TO FIND PLACES FOR IT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ONLY HAVE SO MUCH.
SO IT'S A COMMODITY, I GUESS, RIGHT? IT IT IS SOMEWHAT OF A COMMODITY.
TOP SOIL IS HARD TO FIND, SO, SO WHEN THEY TAKE IT, DO THEY GONNA SELL IT? NO, THEY USE, THEY'RE USING IT AT A DIFFERENT SITE OF THEIR OWN.
USE IT FOR FILL, THEY USE IT FOR FILL ON ONE OF THEIR OWN SITES.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE EXPORT ITSO FROM THE HEARTH FIELD TOLL FULLY DEVELOPED.
ALRIGHT, UH, SEE NOW LOOKS LIKE CHIEF
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RISSEL IS UP.UM, WE PRESENTLY USE THE COMMUNITY CENTER AS, AS OUR, UM, AN EVACUATION CENTER WHEN WE HAD SOME SORT OF DISASTER OR AS A WARMING SHELTER IN THE WINTER TIME IF WE NEEDED, OR A COOLING CENTER.
UM, WE HAVE A LOSS OF POWER FOR OTHER REASONS.
UM, WE RECENTLY PARTNERED WITH THE RED CROSS, UH, AFTER, UM, SUE CHRIS PICKENS AND DAN SCHAFER MET WITH THE RED CROSS.
THEY WALKED THROUGH THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND WE, WE KIND OF DETERMINED THAT IT MADE FOR A REALLY GOOD PARTNERSHIP WITH THE RED CROSS.
UH, CURRENTLY WE HAVE 50 COTS AND 200 BLANKETS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE ON SITE HERE.
THEY'RE ALL LOADED FROM THE COUNTY THAT WE KEEP BOTH AT COMMUNITY CENTER AND WE KEEP AT THE FIREHOUSE.
UM, IF WE WOULD NEED TO OPEN UP THE COMMUNITY CENTER AT THIS POINT, WE CAN CONTACT RED CROSS AND THEY WOULD THEN SEND THE SUPPORT TO US TO STAY AT THE SHELTER.
SO IT KIND OF TAKES THE BURDEN, THE RESPONSIBILITY OFF OF SUE, UM, WHO SPENDS THEIR TIME THERE TAKING CARE OF ALL THAT.
UM, THEY ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY THEN THEY CAN BRING IN THE SUPPLY TRAILER WITH FOUR COTS, BEDDING,
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FLOOR PROTECTORS, HYGIENE ITEMS FOR UP TO TWO OH OH PEOPLE.THEY CAN PROVIDE A SHOWER TRAILER IF WE NEED TO KEEP IT OPEN FOR SEVERAL DAYS.
UM, AND IF NEEDED, THEY CAN ACTUALLY, UM, ASK FOR ADDITIONAL ASSISTANCE, UM, FOR THE, THE NATIONAL WAREHOUSE AND VOLUNTEER POOL.
AND HAD OVER 800 VOLUNTEERS FROM THE COUNTRY ASSIST WITH HURRICANE DEBBIE, BOTH IN SOUTH CAROLINA AND GEORGIA.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF RESOURCES THEY CAN PULL FROM.
UM, THE, THE RED CROSS WILL ONLY OPEN THE SHELTER AT THE CENTER BY OUR REQUEST.
OUR REQUEST, UH, IF ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY WOULD ASK TO OPEN A SHOWER, UH, THE SHELTER, IT, IT IS UP TO US.
WHETHER WE DO THAT OR NOT, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY REQUIRED TO.
UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD BE A, A TIME, A DECISION THAT WE WOULD MAKE AT THE TIME BASED ON WHO'S REQUESTING WHAT THEY NEED IN THEIR AND WHAT WE CAN SUPPLY TO THEM.
UM, THE, THE DOWNSIDE REALLY, THE ONLY DOWNSIDE TO THIS IS THAT WHEN THE SHELTER RED CROSS IS BEING USED AS SHELTER, THE COMMUNITY CENTER'S CLOSED.
THAT'S NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AT ALL.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF SENSITIVITY FROM THE RED CROSS.
UH, THEIR PRIVACY RULES FOR THE SURVIVORS ARE THAT THEY DON'T, UH, WANT, UM, THE MEDIA THERE, THAT IT CANNOT BECOME A POLITICAL, UH, EVENT.
IT CAN'T BE USED AS A CAMPAIGN STOP.
THEY DO ENCOURAGE VISITS FROM THE POLITICAL LEADERS OF THE YOU OF THE TOWNSHIP, UM, TO OFFER YOUR SUPPORT TO THE RESIDENTS ARE THERE.
THEY, THEY, UH, DO WANT US TO BE INVOLVED WITH IT.
UM, BUT THEY'RE WILLING TO STEP UP AND, AND DO THE WORK AND PUT THE PEOPLE FORWARD.
UH, THAT'S THE REAL POSITIVE, UH, PART.
IT'S, WE'RE, WE'RE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING AT A LIMITED BASIS NOW, BUT THIS STEPS US UP TO A DIFFERENT LEVEL THAT REALLY PROVIDES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, E EXPAND WHAT WE CAN PROVIDE TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE TOWNSHIP.
UM, SO WITH THAT, WE WE'RE GOING TO, UH, PLAN A TRAINING DAY WITH THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT STAFF.
SO THEY KIND OF HAD AN IDEA OF, UM, WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED, HOW IT WOULD WORK, AND HOW THINGS WOULD GET UP AND RUNNING AGAIN.
UM, HOPEFULLY WE NEVER NEED IT AGAIN.
UM, BUT UM, SINCE WE LIVE IN A REAL WORLD, WE PROBABLY WILL.
SO THIS JUST PUTS ANOTHER STEP CLOSER TO, IN THE EVENT THAT SOMETHING HAPPENS, WE'RE THAT MUCH MORE PREPARED.
SO FOR INSTANCE, LIKE THE IDA THING YES.
THE, THE RED CROSS WOULD BE THERE COORDINATING, IS THAT YES, THAT'S THE IDEA.
DURING IDA, UH, WE OPENED THE, SHE, WE OPENED THE CENTER OFFICE AS A SHELTER.
WE MOVED PEOPLE BY US AND BY, UH, THOSE THAT GET TO THE CARS, TO THE SHELTER STAY UP FOR 72 HOURS OR SO.
SO, UM, AND, UH, THERE'S A, A TWO TO THREE HOUR WINDOW I THINK IS WHAT IT WOULD TAKE THE RED CROSS TO GET ON LOCATION.
UM, AND THEN THEY WOULD USE THE SUPPLIES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE ON SITE AS WELL AS, BUT THEN BRING IN THEIR BONDS, UH, TO CONTINUE TO UPS STAMP AND, AND IT SORT OF ALLEVIATES THE RESPONSIBILITY ON US AND ALLOWS US TO DO THE OTHER TASKS THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF.
IT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT, GREAT IDEA.
DID WE, DID THEY APPROACH US ABOUT IT? OR HOW DID THIS BALLING GET TO? UM, IT WAS, UM, A MUTUAL MEETING, UH, THROUGH SOME TRAININGS THAT DAN AND SOME OF THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT STAFF HAD BEEN GOING THROUGH.
UH, THERE WAS A RED CROSS TRAINING AND I THINK IT, IT EVOLVED THROUGH THAT KNOWING THAT WE WERE ALREADY USING THE, THE COMMUNITY CENTER AS A SHELTER.
IT JUST MADE, UM, LOGICAL SENSE FOR, FROM WHAT WE TALKED TO THAT, TO KIND OF TAKE THAT NEXT STEP TO, TO WORK PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM AND THEN SIGN THE AGREEMENT TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OR LIKE, GOOD PLANNING? THANK YOU.
NEXT UP, BACK UP TO TOM, I AGAIN.
SO OUR SEWAGE INTERCEPT THAT RUNS ALONG THE SCHUYLKILL RIVER, UM, IT COLLECTS AND CONVEYS ALL THE SEWAGE IN THE TOWNSHIP AND SENDS IT TO THE TREATMENT PLANT AND OAKS.
DURING ROUTINE VIDEO CLEANING AND INSPECTION, UM, WE FOUND A TWO FOOT BY TWO FOOT HOLE WAS SPAN AT THE TOP OF THE INTERCEPTOR PIPE.
COMPLETELY GONE, COMPLETELY GONE OUT OF THAT INTERCEPTOR.
IT'S NOT LEAKING ANYTHING OUT OF THE PIPE BECAUSE THE CLAY THAT WAS BACKFILLED AROUND THE PIPE IN 1966 IS BASICALLY STILL AROUND IT AND PERFECTLY SHAPED.
UM, THE PIPE IS A 30 INCH PIPE.
WE'VE CONTRACTED WITH SEWER SPECIALTIES
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WHO WILL BLOW IN A HALF INCH THICK VINYL LINER.UM, THAT, THAT IS IMPREGNATED WITH A RESIN.
UM, SO WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN THEY, THEY BLOW THIS LINE DOWN THE LINE, DOWN THE EXISTING LINE, AND THEN THEY BLOW STEAM INTO THE LINER, WHICH WILL CURE.
IT TAKES ABOUT AN HOUR TO CURE THE PIPE.
THE LINER IS VERY STRONG, HAS A WORKING LIFE OF 50 PLUS YEARS.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THIS AGAIN.
UM, SO WITH THE INTERCEPTOR BEING 60 YEARS OLD, UM, THE HYDROGEN SULFIDE GASES ARE REALLY TAKING THEIR TOLL ON THE PIPES THAT ARE DOWN THERE.
THE INTERCEPT IS FIVE MILES LONG AND, UH, WE'RE GONNA SEE MORE AND MORE OF THIS HAPPENING ALL THE TIME.
SO WE, WE WANNA SEE HOW THIS WORKS.
WE FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT IT AND WE'LL PROBABLY DO AN ONGOING PROJECT.
WE'RE JUST GONNA KEEP MINING FROM MANHOLE TO MANHOLE FOR MANHOLE TO MANHOLE.
UM, THE COST OF THIS PROJECT'S $156,000.
IT'S GOING TO BE THE LINE FOR MANHOLE TO MANHOLE, WHICH IS 475 FEET.
SO JUST TO PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE, UH, OR INTERCEPTORS OVER FIVE MILES LONG FROM R FORD ALL THE WAY TO OAKS.
SO, UM, IF YOU HAD TO DO ALL FIVE MILES, HOW MUCH WOULD THAT BE? WE'LL HAVE TO DO THAT MATH.
SO YOU FIGURE WE'RE AT 4 75 FOR 156,000.
SO THEN WE CAN DO THAT MATH FROM THERE.
I COULD PUT IT TO YOU THIS WAY.
IT'S GONNA BE WAY CHEAPER THAN PARALLELING THAT LINE WITH THE BRAND NEW LINE.
SO IF THIS BUYS US 50 PLUS YEARS, I THINK IT'S A REALLY SMART THING TO DO.
SO IT JUST COATS THE WHOLE YEP.
WHEN THEY BLOW STEAM INTO IT SECURES EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND THEY, AND IT'S HARD AS THE ROCKS SO THAT POINT CAN ACTUALLY FALL APART AROUND THAT LINER.
THAT LINER TAKES THE PLACE OF THE PIPE.
OF ALL THE DUMB THINGS I LOOKED AT AT PIECE HATS, I ACTUALLY STAND NEXT TO THE BOOTH
AND, AND THEY RUN, IT'S LIKE A, A PIECE OF HOSE THEY RUN IN THERE, IT'S BLOW UP AND CURE IT TO BE DONE.
SO THIS HAS TO BE BYPASSED, PUMPED FROM MANHOLE TO MANHOLE AT THE SAME TIME.
THIS IS ALL BEING DONE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THIS IS A TWO DAY PROJECT.
THAT'S REALLY ALL IT'S GONNA TAKE TO DO IT.
A LOT OF MONEY AND MATERIALS A LOT WITH TOM.
YOU HAD MENTIONED TODAY THAT YOU'RE GONNA DO IT IN SECTION SO THAT WE HAVE TO SORT OF BUDGET IT.
AND BE AWARE THAT IT'S GONNA BE HOW MANY YEARS? YEARS IT'S GONNA BE.
WE COULD DO THIS OVER FIVE YEARS, MAYBE EVEN LONGER.
WE HAVEN'T GOT THAT FAR INTO IT YET, BUT I'M GONNA PROPOSE IN THE BUDGET THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR PROBABLY AROUND $2 MILLION PER YEAR TO CONTINUE THIS PROJECT ON.
UM, AS THE INTERCEPTOR GETS TO THE SEWER PLANT, THE INTERCEPTOR GETS BIGGER AS IT GETS DOWN THROUGH OAKS, IT'S A 30 INCH PIPE.
AND I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THOSE HYDROGEN SULFIDE GASES ARE REALLY ROLLING THROUGH THERE AND REALLY GETTING STUCK IN THE PIPE.
IT'S ABSOLUTELY TEARING IT UP.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE REALLY GOTTA THINK ABOUT DOING.
UM, SO THIS PER YEAR, AND THAT'S JUST THE PIPE, BUT THEN THERE'S OTHER PUMP STATIONS THAT ARE 60 YEARS OLD.
YEAH, SO OUR PUMP STATIONS AS WELL.
OUR PUMP STATIONS ARE ALSO 60 YEARS OLD.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING SOME CONTROL UPGRADES IN THE PUMP STATIONS AND TAKE OURSELVES OUT OF THE MID 1960S.
SO, UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF IDEAS AND A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO.
DO WE KNOW WHETHER OR NOT ANY OF THE PIPE HAS BEEN, HAS COLLAPSED? WE'VE NEVER HAD ONE COLLAPSED.
WE HAVE HAD PIPES GIVE US SOME PROBLEMS AND WE CAN PUT A SMALL PIECE OF LINER IN THERE, LIKE A FIVE FOOT PIECE OF LINER.
WE'VE DONE THAT MANY TIMES SUCCESSFULLY.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS IS, I GUESS JEN, IS UM, I GUESS BILL DINGMAN HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY BY PUTTING THAT HALF INCH THICK MINE ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PIPE.
SO MIKE AND I SPOKE ABOUT IT FRIDAY, LAST FRIDAY, SO NOT REAL GOOD NEWS, BUT SOMETHING WE GOTTA DO.
ARE THERE GRANTS THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO TO GET FOR THIS? WE HAVE A GRANT OUT RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
WE SHOULD TALK TO DELL ABOUT THAT TENANT.
SO WE ARE PLANNING ON WHEN'S THIS PROJECT, WE'RE HOPING TO GET THE MATERIALS AND DO THIS WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS.
AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IT RUNS ALONG THE SCHULE SO THERE'S SOME REALLY ROUGH TERRAIN BACK IN THERE, BUT WE CAN GET TO IT, WHICH IS GOOD.
SOME OF THE OTHER ONES THAT WE WANT TO DO IN THE FUTURE, WE'LL HAVE TO DO SOME CLEARING AHEAD OF TIME.
WE'LL GET, WE'LL GET THE EQUIPMENT IN THERE.
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WE HAVE DAY CAMP WRAP UP.I'LL GET YOU WHEN IT'S YOUR TURN.
ALRIGHT, WELL, HELLO EVERYBODY.
UM, SO SUMMER 2024 KICKED OFF OUR, UM, SUMMER CAMP PROCESS WITH OUR SPECIALTY CAMPS.
UM, GENERALLY THESE SPECIALTY CAMPS, THEY KIND OF BOOKEND OUR CAMP BLACKROCK, WHICH I WILL GET TO IN A SECOND.
THESE ARE OUR CONTRACTING PROGRAMS WHERE WE COLLABORATE WITH OUTSIDE INSTRUCTORS LIKE MED SCIENCE, SHINING KNIGHTS, CHEST AND BRICKS FOR KIDS.
THEY COME IN AND THEY HANDLE ALL THE CAMP PROCESS FOR US SO WE DON'T HAVE TO MAINTAIN ANY OF THE STAFF OR ANY OF THE SUPPLIES.
THEY COME IN AND THEY DO THEIR THING.
UM, FOR US THIS YEAR, THAT WAS 11 WEEKS OF SERVICE.
SO THEY PROVIDED 11 WEEKS OF SUMMER CAMPS.
THESE WERE EITHER FULL DAY, HALF DAY, UM, OPTIONS ACROSS VERY AGE GROUPS AS WELL AS DIFFERENT THEMES.
WITH OVER 140 CAMPERS ENROLLED.
THE MAJORITY OF THESE SPECIALTY CAMPS TOOK PLACE AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, WHICH WAS GREAT 'CAUSE THIS IS OUR SLOWER SEASON THERE AND IT GAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE HUSTLE AND BUSTLE TO THE CENTER.
UM, CAMP BLACKROCK LED THIS YEAR BY OUR NEW TEAM MEMBER, BOB SEGER.
UM, IF ANYONE HASN'T MET HIM YET, HE JUST STARTED, UM, BACK IN JANUARY AND HE TOOK SUMMER CAMP AND RAN WITH IT ALONG WITH OUR PROGRAM PARTY AND MELISSA WILSON.
UM, THEY OFFERED AN ACTION PACKED SUMMER EXPERIENCE FOR THESE CAMPERS.
UM, I WAS JEALOUS MAJORITY OF THE SIX WEEKS THAT THEY WERE HERE 'CAUSE THEY GOT TO ENJOY AWESOME FIELD TRIPS.
LIKE GOING TO THE REDDING PHILLIES, CRYSTAL CAVE, CHERRY CREST FARMS. WE PROVIDED THEM KONA ICE CHICK-FIL-A AND PIZZA EVERY WEEK.
UM, THEY ALSO GOT TO GO TO THE POOL EVERY THURSDAY AND HAD SPECIAL GUESTS FROM BOTH OUR FIRE DEPARTMENTS.
OUR POLICE AND PUBLIC WORKS ALL GOT TO GO OUT WITH THEIR BIG TRUCKS AND SHOW THEM WHAT THEY'RE MADE OF.
UM, THIS YEAR WE ACTUALLY REVAMPED CAMP BLACKROCK TO OFFER EITHER WEEKLY OR SIX WEEK OPTIONS FOR CAMPS, WHICH GAVE THE FAMILIES A LOT OF, UM, OPPORTUNITY AND FLEXIBILITY OVER THE SUMMER.
THIS NEW MODEL ALLOWED OUR FIRST TIME CAMPERS TO TRY OUT THE PROGRAM BEFORE COMMITTING TO THE FULL SIX WEEKS.
BUT AFTER THEY CAME FOR AT LEAST ONE WEEK, THEY ALL OPTED IN FOR MORE WEEKS.
SO WE WERE HAPPY TO OBLIGE AND HOPEFULLY NEXT YEAR WE'LL HAVE EVEN MORE SIX WEEK CAMPERS WITH US.
UM, THIS YEAR WE ALSO LOWERED THE AGE, UM, TO FIVE YEARS OLD TO BE A STARTER AT CAMP VERSUS SIX.
UM, SOME OF THE LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARE MOVING TO FULL DAY KINDERGARTEN THIS UPCOMING YEAR.
SO WE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE LEAVING THE DAYCARE SYSTEM AND NEEDED SUMMER CARE.
SO WE DID LOWER THAT AGE AND WE DID HAVE SEVERAL FIVE YEAR OLDS AT OUR CAMP THIS YEAR.
VERY TIRED BY THE END OF THE DAY, BUT THEY SURVIVE THE FULL SIX WEEKS.
UM, AT THE END OF THE SUMMER CAMP, WE ALWAYS SEND OUT SURVEYS TO ALL OUR PARENTS FOR SOME FEEDBACK, BUT OUR INITIAL REACTIONS HAVE BEEN VERY POSITIVE THANKS TO BOB AND HIS DEDICATED SUMMER CAMP STAFF, WHICH WAS LED BY, UM, SPRING FORWARD, UM, HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER, MARISSA MOLEY, UM, CAMP BLACKROCK SAW JUST TWO, UM, JUST UNDER 200 CAMPERS THIS YEAR, MARKING A 42% INCREASE IN CAMP PARTICIPATION FROM LAST YEAR.
UM, TO CONCLUDE THE SUMMER, WE HOSTED OUR, THE REST, THE REMAINDER OF OUR SPECIALTY CAMPS, WHICH INCLUDED THEATER CAMP, PRESCHOOL CAMP, AND OUR UPT EMERGENCY SERVICES ACADEMY.
THESE CAMPS WERE ROUNDED OUT OUR SUMMER SCHEDULE WITH FULL ENROLLMENT THEATER CAMP.
JUST AS A QUICK BRIEF, UM, THEATER CAMP IS A ONE WEEK, UM, INTENSIVE PLAY.
SO THEY LEARN THE PLAY, THEY DO THE WHOLE SET, THEY DO ALL THE SOUNDS, THEY DO EVERYTHING THEMSELVES IN ONE WEEK AND PERFORM ON THE LAST DAY OF CAMP.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY OUR PRESCHOOL CAMP GETS OUR LITTLE GUYS READY FOR PRESCHOOL IN THE FALL.
AND THE UPT SERVICES CAMP, UM, WAS OUR FIRST YEAR DOING THIS.
IT WAS A NEW INITIATIVE BROUGHT TOGETHER, UM, BY MELISSA WILSON AND SUPPORTED BY BOTH OUR POLICE CHIEF AND OUR FIRE CHIEF.
UM, THIS WEEK ON CAMP WERE FOR AGE FOR KIDS FOR AGES 10 TO 15 AND PROVIDED AN INTENSIVE LOOK INTO OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES SYSTEM.
CADETS LEARNED ABOUT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, INCLUDING THE SWAT TEAM AND CANINE UNITS.
UM, BASIC FIRST AID INCLUDING TOURNIQUETS, UM, AND DIFFERENT LIFESAVING MEASURES FROM OUR EMS TEAM AND FIRE SAFETY TECHNIQUES, INCLUDING THE JAWS OF LIFE.
WHICH PICTURES WERE GREAT FROM OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THE HIGHLIGHT WAS OUR REAL LIFE SEARCH AND RESCUE SIMULATION THAT HAPPENED AT THE CANAL.
UM, THIS WAS A REALLY COOL EXPERIENCE FOR THE CAMPERS BECAUSE THEY GOT TO GO INTO DIFFERENT GROUPS THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE PART OF AN ACTUAL, UM, SEARCH AND RESCUE.
SO WE HAD THE WATER RESCUE, WE HAD GROUND SEARCH, WE HAD COMMAND CENTER AND WE HAD, UM, OUR EMS TENTS AS WELL.
SO THEY GOT TO DO ALL OF THOSE THINGS IN ONE DAY OF CAMP.
UM, AT THE END OF THE WEEK WE ENDED WITH A DODGE BALL GAME BETWEEN THE CADETS AND ALL THEIR LEADERS, WHICH I HEARD WAS REALLY FUN AND EXCITING.
AND THE FEEDBACK FROM THE CADETS, THEIR PARENTS WERE EXCEPTIONAL.
UM, IN MY DEPARTMENT IT IS EXTREMELY HARD TO PROVIDE ANY KIND OF SERVICE PROGRAM, EVENTS,
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ANYTHING FOR THE 10 YEAR OLDS TO 15 YEAR OLDS.AND I'M SURE IT'S EVEN HARDER FOR THAT AGE GROUP TO ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT THEIR DAY WITH THEIR PARENTS.
AND ACCORDING TO OUR STAFF, THEY COULDN'T STOP TALKING ABOUT THE CAMP TO ANYBODY WHO ASKED.
SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT ILLUSTRATION OF HOW WELL THIS CAMP WENT.
OBVIOUSLY A BIG THANK YOU TO OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES DEPARTMENTS FOR THEIR DEDICATION AND MAKING THIS HUGE SUCCESS.
UM, AND WE'RE ALWAYS GRATEFUL FOR THEIR SUPPORT AND INVOLVEMENT IN EVERYTHING THAT PARK AND REC DOES.
AND, UM, I WILL ASK YOU GUYS IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY COMMENTS YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.
THIS IS, WELL, I THINK THAT, UM, YOU CAN RUN SOME OF THE PICTURES THROUGH THESE ARE THE, THE OTHER CAMP THAT'S GOING ON.
UM, SUE HAS REALLY CAPSTONE EVERYTHING THAT WE WE DID AT THE CAMP.
I'M NOT SURE IT RAN ALL LAST WEEK.
I'M NOT SURE IT WAS MORE EXHAUSTIVE.
UM, SOME OF OUR, UM, SOME OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND POLICE OFFICERS THAT DON'T HAVE KIDS PROBABLY WILL NEVER HAVE KIDS IN
WE HAD 'EM ALL LAID DOWN IN THE GRASS AND WE TOOK THESE SHOTS WITH THE DRONE SINCE THE POLICE EMS BARRING UPPER PROVINCE TOWNSHIP, UM, ONE OF THE MORE CHALLENGING TASKS 'CAUSE THE WEEK.
UM, BUT I THINK THE REALLY NEAT PART AND TO, TO, TO GIVE CREDIT TO BOTH THE POLICE AND FRIENDSHIP AMBULANCE AND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT IS, UM, WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY TO FOLLOW.
THERE'S NOBODY ELSE AT BRUNSWICK CAMP LIKE THIS.
SO WE, WE JUST SORT OF SAT DOWN AND PLANNED THIS FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS OR SO AND EVERY DID SIX MONTHS CAME UP WITH, UM, THE PLAN AND, UH, IT WAS THE, THE KIDS HAD A GREAT TIME, BUT I THINK ALL OF US WERE TRULY, TRULY, UM, ECSTATIC AND AND GRATEFUL THAT WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT WITH, WITH THE KIDS.
AND I'M ACTUALLY KIND OF LOOKING FORWARD TO DOING IT.
AND NEXT YEAR THERE'S LONG AS IT'S ONLY ONE WEEK.
UM, BUT I HAVE A PRETTY BIG WAIT LIST THOUGH.
SO WE HAVE, YOU SENT MYSELF A REMINDER THIS
AND WE OPENED IT UP THIS YEAR FOR, UH, THE TASK PRESIDENTS FIRST MM-HMM,
SO IT WAS, THEY WERE DIVIDED THE FIRST DAY WHEN THEY CAME IN.
WE HAD SOME, SOME TASKS THAT THEY HAD TO DO, UH, STARTED EVERY DAY WITH THE PLEDGE FLAG AND THEY, THEY LINED UP AND IT WAS, WE WERE VERY, UM, DILIGENT ABOUT MAINTAINING WHAT THE ACADEMIES THAT THE POLICE AND FIRE HAVE GONE THROUGH.
AND, UH, THEY LEARNED THE FIRST DAY THAT IF THEY DIDN'T DO WHAT WE ASKED, THEY WERE DOING PUSHUPS,
SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TOO MUCH NO COMPLAINTS EITHER.
LIKE THE KIDS WERE INTO IT, THEY APPRECIATED THE STRUCTURE.
UH, THE CANAL DAY DEFINITELY WAS THE HIGHLIGHTED THE DAY.
UH, IT WAS ALL DAY DOWN AT THE CANAL DOING, UH, ALL THE DIFFERENT TASKS AND, UH, BUT I I, I WE'RE GRATEFUL THAT WE WERE ABLE TO BE GIVEN THIS OPPORTUNITY.
SO WE LIMITED TO 20, TOTAL 20.
I THINK THAT WORKED OUT REALLY WELL.
THERE WAS FOUR PLATOONS OR FOUR SQUADS OF FIVE KIDS.
SOMEBODY GOT TO BE A CAPTAIN OF THAT, OF THAT PLATOON.
UM, THEY WERE THE ONES THAT LED THE, THEY WANT DIFFERENT COLOR THROUGH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE PLATOON COLOR WAS, WAS THE LANY THEY WERE WEARING NEXT YEAR.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA MAKE FLAGS OUT OF PILLOWCASES FOR THE FIRST DAY FROM CARRY.
SO, BUT I THINK IT REALLY EXCEEDED OUR EXPECTATIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR THE FIRST YEAR DOING THIS, UM, OUR MEASURE OF SUCCESS IS GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, ALL THREE OF THESE PROFESSIONS ARE STRUGGLING WITH NUMBERS, UH, AS IT STANDS TODAY.
TRUE TEST IS GONNA BE 10 YEARS DOWN THE LINE.
IF WE COULD JUST GET A FEW OF THESE KIDS TO BE INTERESTED IN AND STICK WITH THESE PROFESSIONS, IF NOT ONE, MAYBE ALL THREE LIKE SOME OF THIS HAS DONE.
BUT, UH, THAT WOULD BE A TRUE MEASURE OF SUCCESS HERE.
SO, SO YOU CAME UP WITH THE PROGRAM LIKE WITH THE SEARCH AND RESCUE, THAT'S KIND OF CREATIVE, LIKE TO COME UP WITH THAT AND KIDS PROBABLY LIKE IT.
SADLY, IT'S PRETTY EASY HERE IN THE TOWNSHIP.
WE'VE DONE IT TOO MANY TIMES IN THE LAST YEAR.
UM, WE DID, WELL I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT.
WE DID THREE VERY, VERY TENSE, UH, SIX AND SEVEN HOUR SEARCHES LAST YEAR, UH, FOR MISSING PEOPLE.
SO WE, WE BUILT ON THAT AND EVERY, EVERYTHING THAT WE DID THAT DAY WAS EXACTLY WHAT WE DID WOULD DO AND WHAT WE'VE DONE, UM, WE JUST HAD THEM DO IT.
UM, THEY WERE, IT WAS, THEY, THEY WERE ON OUR, THE NEW TOWNSHIP RADIO SYSTEM THAT WE HAD INSTALLED.
SO IF YOU HEAR IT ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTY, PRETTY MUCH.
AND SO AN AWFUL LOT OF COMMENTS ON, UM, I THINK OUR PUBLIC COURSE DEPARTMENT ENJOYED THE ENTIRE DAY.
IT WAS, IT WAS, YEAH, IT WAS A LOT OF FUN.
UM, THEY REALLY DID LEARN A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT.
UM, THEY, IF YOU GET BACK, ONE CAME ON THE BOATS.
JEFF, COULD YOU GO BACK ONE? JEFF, THANK YOU.
UM, YEAH, WE, WE DID THE, THEY REALLY WEREN'T SEARCHING FOR EVERY, ANYBODY
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ON THE WORD, BUT THEY DIDN'T KNOW THATUM, BUT THEY, UH, THEY, THEY ALL GOT TO GO OUT ON THE BOATS.
UM, IN FACT THEY, SOME OF THEM HAD A TIME DOWN TO WAIT, THEY HAD 17 AND A HALF MINUTES AND I ONLY GOT 16 MINUTES
UM, THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY JUST LOVED IT.
THEY WERE OUT IN THE, OUT IN THE WOODS SEARCHING FOR A MANNEQUIN AND A BICYCLE.
WE HAD A SCENARIO THAT WAS BUILT INTO IT.
ONE OF THE POLICE OFFICERS PLAYED, UH, THE LOST MOTHER OR PARTNER OF THE PERSON AND, AND SHE HAD ALL THE ANSWERS TO GIVE THEM.
IT WAS A GOOD WAY TO END THE WHOLE ENTIRE SEASON TO BE HONEST.
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ENGINEERING AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT UPDATES.UM, JUST REAL QUICK, THE ANDERSON FARM, UM, LOOP TRAIL BID IS ONGOING.
WE'RE GONNA OPEN IT SO YOU'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT NEXT MONTH'S MEETING FOR THE AWARD.
AND, UM, TAYLOR PARKS WHO GOT SOME TREES THAT ARE GONNA BE PLANTED.
SO WE'RE COORDINATING WITH PUBLIC WORKS 'CAUSE IF YOU RECALL, THE UM, KLEIN ROAD RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS GONNA BUILD A PUMP STATION DOWN THERE.
SO WE'RE COORDINATING THE LOCATION OF THE FORCE MAIN AND THE WATER LOOP IT'S GOING THROUGH TO NOT PLANT THE TREES THAT ARE GONNA BE RIPPED OUT IN A COUPLE YEARS.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MONTHLY DEVELOPER IMPROVEMENT, GUARANTEED REDUCTION LIST AS FOLLOWS.
ITEM A Y RAN DENTAL AT 4 29 SOUTH LEWIS ROAD RELEASE NUMBER FOUR IN THE AMOUNT OF $52,695 AND 73 CENTS.
AND ITEM B HARFIELD DEVELOPMENT, ALSO KNOWN AS TOLL FOLEY RELEASE NUMBER ONE IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,249,856 AND 58 CENTS A SECOND.
SUPERVISOR COMMENTS, UPCOMING EVENTS,
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UM, SUPERVISOR MEETINGS SEPTEMBER 16TH AND THEN SEPTEMBER 20.OH WAIT, SEPTEMBER 16TH IS A REGULAR SUPERVISOR MEETING.
AND THE 26TH OF SEPTEMBER, WE GONNA ALL MARK THIS DOWN IS A BUDGET WORKSHOP.
WE'RE STARTING AROUND BUDGET WORKSHOPS AND THEN MORE BUDGET WORKSHOPS.
OCTOBER 1ST AND OCTOBER 8TH, AND THEN OCTOBER 21ST.
I GUESS THAT'S A REGULAR SUPERVISOR MEETING ON THE 21ST.
GOES BACK TO THAT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
THE AGENDA IS RO FOR BAPTIST MISSION FIRST HOUSING PROJECT AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
20 SEPTEMBER 4TH AT 7:00 PM IS THE WICKER ROAD REDEVELOPMENT.
7 8 1 COLLEGEVILLE ROAD, SEVEN LOT SUB-DIVISION.
AND THEN ON SEPTEMBER 18TH IS THE EAC MEETING.
UM, AND THAT'S AT 6:00 PM PARKS AND REC COMMITTEE MEETING SCHEDULED SEPTEMBER 11TH.
A MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY MEETING IS OCTOBER 3RD.
ZONING HEARING, BOARD MEETING IS NO PENDING APPLICATIONS.
WE, WE DID RECEIVE ONE WHILE I WAS OUT ON ON FRIDAY.
YOU'LL SEE THAT THE NEXT DAY OR SO.