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THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR
[CALL TO ORDER / AGENDA APPROVAL]
WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 7TH.AND, UH, WE'LL START BY, UM, LOOKING AT THE AGENDA AND I OBJECT TO SPEAK REAL QUICKLY ON THAT AGENDA.
UM, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR NOT, WELL, WE'LL HAVE TO GET AN AGENDA APPROVAL AFTER THIS PUBLIC COMMENT FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS. WE HAVE A THREE MEETINGS FOR MINUTES APPROVAL, UM, A LETTER OF CONSISTENCY REQUEST FOR HOPWOOD HOMES, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO, UH, WITH THAT I'LL, UH, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR THE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
[PUBLIC COMMENT FOR NON-AGENDA ITEMS]
MOVE ON TO, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT OR NON AGENDA ITEMS. NON AGENDA ITEMS NOT HERE.UH, YEAH, SO I, YOU KNOW, BILL FELTON, OLD STATE ROAD, UM, RIGHT, RIGHT UP HERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO COME AND ADVOCATE THAT, GO THROUGH THE REVIEW AND ALL THE CONSULTANTS GO THROUGH THE REVIEW THAT MAYBE YOU WOULD CONSIDER THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THAT PROPERTY ALONG SECOND AVENUE BE SAVED AS THE, UH, OPEN SPACE PORTION.
I KNOW THE, UH, THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, THERE WAS DISCUSSION THAT, THAT EVERYTHING NORTH OF OLD STATE ROAD GOING TOWARDS, UM, ALONG SECOND AVENUE AND TOWARDS DOMINGO CREEK AND THAT LAND THAT THE TATRO BONES, UH, BE CONSIDERED TO BE CONSERVED OVER TIME.
AND, UH, WITH WHAT I'M SHOWING THERE IS WHAT COULD BE GR ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE WOULD CONNECT THAT FUTURE CONSERVE LAND TO THE UPPER SCHOOL OF VALLEY PARK.
AND, UH, THE CONSIDERATION THERE IS, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN HAVING A COUPLE LOOSE PIECES OF, OF OPEN SPACE, ONE ON YEAGER ROAD AND ONE ON, UH, OLD STATE ROAD THAT WE HAVE SOME CONNECTIVITY TO THE, UH, THE OPEN SPACE AND THE UPPER SCO VALLEY PARK, WHICH OF COURSE CONNECTS TO THE RIVER, CONNECTS TO THE MIGRATORY BIRD, UH, SANCTUARY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER AS WELL.
AND, YOU KNOW, UH, I JUST FOUND THIS FACT OUT THIS PAST WEEK, UH, ON A WALK WITH THE AUDUBON PEOPLE, THAT, UH, THERE ARE MORE BIRDS THAT ARE GROUND NESTERS THAN BIRDS THAT NEST IN TREES.
THE PROBLEM IN SOUTHEAST PENNSYLVANIA IS THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THESE TYPES OF BIRDS TO NEST.
NOW, INTERESTINGLY, THE PARKHOUSE PROPERTY, UM, THEY DIDN'T TAKE THE HAY OFF OF THAT UNTIL AFTER JULY 4TH, WHICH WAS UNUSUAL.
'CAUSE USUALLY WHEN THEY CUT HAY, THEY DO A CUTTING IN JUNE.
AND, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE SUBSEQUENT CUTS AFTER THAT.
AND I FOUND OUT FROM THE AUDUBON PEOPLE THAT THEY'VE BEEN ADVOCATING THAT FARMERS HOLD OFF ON THAT FIRST CUT UNTIL AFTER SOMEWHERE AROUND JULY 4TH, TO GIVE THOSE BIRDS THAT DO NEST IN THESE, UH, IN THESE FIELDS, UH, A CHANCE TO FLEDGE BEFORE THEY, UH, COME AND TAKE THEIR, THEIR, UH, NESTING AREAS OUT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE MAIN THINGS THAT I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR.
LET'S, LET'S CONNECT ALL THESE POTENTIAL OPEN SPACES, AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND YOUR MAP.
CAN YOU HELP US EXPLAIN THE MAP? SURE.
UM, SO YOU'RE ADVOCATING THE GREEN BEING WHERE YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THAT, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO ALL THE PLANS DID, AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL VERY FLEXIBLE, BUT, SO YOU'RE SAYING ALL, ALL THOSE, UH, WHAT IS IT, ABOUT 389 UNITS? YEAH.
SO YOU'RE SPREADING THEM OUT TO THE, TO THE WEST, TO THE NORTH.
WELL, THERE'S TWO PIECES ON THERE THAT, UH, THE NOTE SAYS THAT THEY ARE TO BE CONSERVED.
THE ONE PIECE ALONG GER ROAD AND THE ONE PIECE ALONG OLD STATE ROAD NEAR THE CORNER OF OLD STATE.
AND, UH, WHILE THEY'RE SHOWING TO BE APPROVED FOR SUBDIVISION, THEY'RE THE TWO PIECES THAT WOULD BE THE OPEN MEET, THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT FOR THE SUBDIVISION.
SO WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS LET THOSE PIECES BE DEVELOPED AS THEY'RE SHOWING ON THERE PLAN AND, AND, BUT KEEP THE PIECE ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION ALONG SECOND AVENUE AS THE OPEN TO MEET THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT.
AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT IF THEY KEEP THE GREEN OPEN YEAH,
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THE 605 85, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, CAN BE DONE IN THE PURPLE AREAS.AND I PUT LITTLE NOTES IN RED PEN THERE, SEE YEAH.
OF WHAT THOSE TOTALS WOULD BE TO GET THE FIVE, I THINK IT'S 5 85.
SO I, I, AND, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT GREEN AREA THAT'S ALL ARBITRARY, BUT THAT'S BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR.
SO, UM, FRIENDS OF PARKHOUSE, HAVE THEY MADE ANY COMMENT ON THIS? WELL, I MEAN, WE, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS AND I THINK THERE WAS SOME, SOME SUGGESTIONS.
MAYBE THERE WERE SOME OTHER REASONS.
YOU KNOW, PUTTING THE DEVELOPMENT CLOSER TO JAGER ROAD, WHICH IS ALREADY AN IMPROVED ROAD, IS CLOSER TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, MAIN TRAFFIC AREAS GOING TO 4 22, GOING OVER TO, UH, UH, THE PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER AND SO FORTH.
THE, THE OTHER POINT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE, AND I I TALKED TO THE GUYS FROM NV HOMES ABOUT THIS A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU COME INTO THE TOWNSHIP ON ONE 13 COMING NORTH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A GATEWAY INTO THE TOWNSHIP.
AND, YOU KNOW, JUST AESTHETICALLY TO HAVE THAT PORTION OF THAT PROPERTY SAVED AS OPEN SPACE, I THINK JUST GIVES A MUCH GREATER PRESENTATION RETAINING THAT RURAL CHARACTER THAT WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN, UH, YOU KNOW, AFTER THIS PART OF OUR HERITAGE IN THERE, IN THIS TOWN.
THE REASON I ASK THAT QUESTION, BILL, IS THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND GIVING US THIS.
I THINK IT MAKES, I GUESS IT MAKES SOME SENSE, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY NO ONE ELSE FROM FRIENDS OF PARKHOUSE ARE HERE TO SAY ADVOCATING FOR THIS SAME THING.
I'M, I'M NOT SURE I HAVEN'T TALKED, AND IT MAKES SENSE.
IT WOULD GET RID OF THAT PROBLEM MAYBE AT THE CORNER A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE MAYBE YOU COULD ROUTE OLD STATE ROAD UP A LITTLE BIT SO IT'S NOT RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, YOU COULD DO ONE OF THESE THINGS RIGHT AT THE END.
I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, I GUESS YOU TRAFFIC PLANNER, RIGHT? I
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
YEAH, I'VE GOTTA, BECAUSE IF YOU MOVE ALL THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE, TO THE NORTH THERE, UM, THERE'S REALLY NO EXIT EXIT EXCEPT HOLD STATE ROAD.
IF YOU COULD CONSERVE THE, THE GREEN, YOUR EXIT'S ALL GONNA BE OUT ON THE HOLD STATE ROAD.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOSE SOMETHING ON HOLD STATE ROAD ON BOTH ENDS.
I MEAN, TO BE PRAGMATIC ABOUT IT, YOU'RE STILL PUTTING 600 UNITS, 585 UNITS THERE.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL FOUR CORNERS OF IT.
IT'S NOT THAT SORT OF TRIANGLE.
I DON'T THINK THAT SOLVED ALL THREES OF IT.
I DON'T THINK THAT, YEAH, I DON'T THINK, I MEAN, YES, MAYBE THIS GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE LATITUDE TO MOVE OLD STATE ROAD, SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAN WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT.
BUT THESE ARE DISCUSSIONS I THINK THAT ARE, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE, YES, WE DID JUST GET THIS PLAN LAST WEEK, WHICH MAY SPEAK TO WHY FRIENDS OF PARKHOUSE ISN'T HERE YET.
IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS FINE.
WE CAN'T CERTAINLY COME TO ANY CONCLUSIONS, BUT WE, UM, WE WILL HAVE THEM ON AN AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION, UM, YEAH, SOMETIME IN SEPTEMBER.
THIS ISN'T REALLY AN AGENDA EITHER, RIGHT? SO RIGHT.
HE, HE CAN CERTAINLY PROACTIVE SAY WHATEVER HE WANTS, JUST GET IN FRONT OF HIM.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN APPLICATION IN FRONT OF US RIGHT NOW, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO DELVE TOO FAR INTO IT.
SO, SIR, IT IS, IT DOES MAKE SENSE, BILL.
SO THANKS FOR, BUT I'M SURE, THANKS FOR HEARING MY COMMENTS, BUT I'M SURE THERE'S GONNA BE SOME, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOT, AS YOU KNOW, AND YOU PROBABLY EXPECT THERE'S GONNA BE PUSHBACK FOR SOME REASON.
RIGHT? IT NEVER JUST IS THAT SIMPLE, SO, NO, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT HERE TO APPROVE OR AGREE WITH ME.
I JUST WANTED TO PLANT THE SEED AND YOU KNOW, MY, WELL, THANK YOU BILL, AS ALWAYS, YOUR VERY CONSCIENTIOUS, THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON NON AGENDA ITEMS? ALL
[GENERAL DISCUSSION ITEMS]
RIGHT, SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, TO THE, THE REST OF THE AGENDA, WHICH IS, UH, APPROVING A BUNCH OF MINUTES.UM, CAN WE DO THIS AS THREE, JEFF? YEAH, I THINK YOU CAN DO IT ALL AS ONE, ONE VOTE.
UM, SO IF EVERYBODY'S, UH, WHICH I'M SURE YOU ALL HAVE, UH, REVIEWED THE MINUTES, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE OR TO MAKE CHANGES IF SO NECESSARY.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
AJ'S MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE ALL THREE.
UM, UH, SECOND, UH, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.
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ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.ALRIGHT, SO NOW WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE, UH, THESE ARE UPCOMING APPLICATIONS.
JEFF? NO, I'M JUST TRYING TO SORT OF TRACK ON OUR AGENDA WHEN WE GET NEW APPLICATIONS IN.
THE NPC DOES HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION SORT OF APPROVE ALL INCOMING APPLICATIONS.
THIS TOWNSHIP HAS NEVER REALLY DONE IT THAT WAY.
WE'VE JUST TAKEN THE APPLICATION AS IT'S COME IN, AND IF IT'S COMPLETE, THE PERSON IN MY POSITION, WHETHER IT WAS ME OR THE TWO OR THREE PEOPLE BEFORE ME HAVE JUST SORT OF ACCEPTED THEM.
UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY GONNA GET US IN TROUBLE IF WE, IF WE CHANGE THE WAY WE DO IT.
BUT THIS WAY I JUST WANTED TO SORT OF MARK THAT AUGUST 7TH IS THE DAY THAT THESE APPLICATIONS WERE ADMITTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND, AND WE WILL MOVE THEM FORWARD AS WE CAN ON THE AGENDA.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR US TO DO WHAT HERE? NOTHING AT ALL.
JUST TO SORT OF ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THEY'RE THERE.
I THINK I DON'T NEED A MOTION OR ANYTHING, DO I, JOE? NO.
SO EVERYBODY, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, THIS WOULD BE THE TERM TO ASK ON ANY OF THESE APPLICATIONS.
I DON'T PERSONALLY HAVE ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT, ANYTHING COMMENT TO ASK JEFF? UM, I DID EMAIL THEM OUT IF ANYBODY HAS QUESTIONS.
I MEAN, IF ANYBODY RECEIVED THE EMAILS.
AND AJ, YOU, YOU'RE SENDING ME AN EMAIL FOR THE MONTH, SO, OKAY.
SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE HOPWOOD HOMES, UH, LETTER REQUEST, WHICH I ASSUME IS IN THE PACKER NOW.
UM, HOPWOOD HOMES IS, UM, GALLMAN DEVELOPMENT IS REALLY, THEY'RE TRYING FOR ANOTHER MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION GRANT.
THEY'VE RECEIVED ONE FOR A PORTION OF 29 THAT WIDENS 29 AND PAYS FOR A GOOD PORTION OF THE INTERSECTION OF 29.
AND HOPWOOD AND YORKIES, CORRECT ME IF I GO ASTRAY.
AND THE NEW GRANT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IS FOR THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE REQUIRING ON HOPWOOD ROAD, INCLUDING I THINK A CULVERT AND CURB, AND THEN CHANGING THE, THE ALIGNMENT OF THE ROAD.
SO AS PART OF THE GRANT APPLICATION, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A, UM, A LETTER OF CONSISTENCY SAYING THAT WE AGREE THAT THIS IS WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO AND THIS IS WHAT WE WANT THEM TO BUILD.
AND ANTHONY, YOU'VE LOOKED AT THIS, I GUESS, OR, YEAH, I THINK IT IS.
WE'VE CERTAINLY BEEN LOOKING AT THAT PROJECT FOR A WHILE.
I MEAN, I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THEY'VE BEEN REQUIRED TO DO SO, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SEEKING ADDITIONAL FUNDING.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS ARE GONNA COST A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
UM, AND I THINK THE DEVELOPER'S JUST LOOKING AT, YEAH, WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR A, WE DO NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE TOM SIGNING THE LETTER.
WELL, NO, WHO, WHO'S GIVING THE MONEY? JEFF? IT'S A, IT IS A STATE GRANT.
AGENCY? I THINK IT'S THE, IS IT THE, UH, DCDD? YEAH, THE MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION FUND.
SO YEAH, SO THAT'S A, UM, DCD PROVIDING THE FINANCIAL FUNDS, I GUESS FOR THAT.
SO IT, THEY'VE ALREADY OBTAINED THE PENNDOT, UH, FUNDING, STATE FUNDING FOR THE BREW 29 IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THE CULVER IN THE, UH, CULVERT OVER 29, AS JEFF MENTIONED.
SO THIS IS AN ANOTHER AGENCY, ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR, TO, TO FUND SOME ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION POWER FOR THE PROJECT.
AND THE DEVELOPER HAS TO APPLY FOR IT.
THE DEVELOPERS CAN APPLY FOR THEM, MUNICIPALITIES CAN APPLY FOR THE, SO IT'S KIND, IT'S OPEN TO MOST, BUT USUALLY FOR THE DEVELOPERS TO APPLY, IT'S, IT'S GOTTA, IT USUALLY WEIGHS HIGHER WHEN IT'S TIED TO IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, IN AN ACT 2 0 9 STUDY THAT THEY HAPPEN TO BE CONTRIBUTING TOWARDS OR, OR BUILDING, WHICH THEY ARE IN THIS CASE, WHICH I THINK IS WHY THEY, THEY'RE APPLYING FOR IT.
THEY CAN'T JUST APPLY FOR LIKE WIDENING FOR A DESAL LANE AND FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO BE A TIED TO AN ACT 2 0 9 INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT, WHICH THIS IS, WELL, SO MUCH WE DON'T KNOW.
SO DO WE NEED A MOTION FOR THIS JUDGE? WELL, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT JEFF'S REFERRED TO IS THIS LETTER OFF THE PAGE BEFORE I JUST SIGNED IT.
AND BASICALLY WHAT IT IS, IS THAT WE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THIS GRANT OR THIS, UH, IDEA OF A GRANT FOR THIS PROJECT.
WE'RE, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY SAYING THAT WE AGREE THAT WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS CONSISTENTLY WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO AND WHAT'S IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IF WE VOTE NO, THEN JEFF WILL THROW THE LETTER AWAY.
IF, UH, WE VOTE YES, JEFF WILL IMMEDIATELY PUT IT IN THE MAILBOX AND SEND IT.
SO ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT OR COMMENTS OR ANY, ANY, I MEAN, I DIDN'T KNOW THIS.
DOESN'T COST US ANYTHING, RIGHT? NO, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT.
IF THEY, IF THEY DO GET THE GRANT, WE DON'T HAVE A CONTRIBUTION THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE.
WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T HAVE TO MATCH ANY FUNDS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
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SO, UM, I'LL ASK UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT OR COMMENTS? THE FAVOR, I MEAN, TO THE, TO GO TO.BUT IT HELPS THE TOWNSHIP IF THEN IMPROVES THAT INTERSECTION.
WHICH IS AN INTERSECTION WE ALL KNOW IS PROBABLY THE WORST IN THE, UH, YEAH, IT'S THE WORST IN THE TOWN.
SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO, UH, TO APPROVE THAT WE AGREE WITH THIS GRANT.
APPROVE THIS GRANT, OR NOT APPROVE THE GRANT.
YEAH, I GUESS I DO VOTED AUTHORIZED TIME TO SIGN THE LESSON.
ALRIGHT, ALL, UH, SECOND, UH, I SECOND THAT MOTION.
UM, AS WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MONTH, WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING CLOSE FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, I DID SEND HER OUT A COPY.
YOU HAVE PRINT OUTS OF THAT COPY WITH YOUR PACKET.
THERE'S, UM, I'VE PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
NOW WE HAVE JEN'S, UM, MS FOUR AND SOME, AND SOME OTHER ENGINEERING ISSUES THAT SHE'S TALKED ABOUT IN THERE.
WE HAVE ANTHONY AND HIS TRAFFIC ELEMENT THAT, THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE.
AND THEN WITH THE LAND USE PLAN, REALLY THE NEXT STEP WILL BE TO SORT OF, AS LONG AS YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, TO SORT OF COME UP WITH SOME ACTION ITEMS AND WE'LL HAVE SOME ACTION ITEMS PREPARED FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
AND I'LL GET INTO THOSE A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH MY LANGUAGE PLAN.
BUT LET'S JUST SAY, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONSERVATION, ONE OF THE THINGS AN ACTION ITEM WOULD BE TO REWRITE THE TRANSCRIPT DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? OR RIGHTS ORDINANCES TO ENCOURAGE MORE SALES OF, OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, I'M GONNA START OFF WITH ANTHONY AND LET THE GENTLEMAN FROM HIS OFFICE SPEAK.
SO WE, UH, BRIAN DONOVAN FROM OUR OFFICE WHO'S BEEN, UH, HE'S OUR PLANNERS BASICALLY LIKE OUR JEFF GRACE, UM, ONLY TALLER
SO HE WAS HERE, I THINK AT THE LAST MEETING, KIND OF BRIEFLY GOING OVER IT.
UM, FORTUNATELY HAD SOME PRINTER ISSUES, I GUESS THAT, I THINK WE KICKED IT A FEW TIMES.
SO I'M GONNA HAVE HIM KIND OF GO OVER, WE HAVE A PACKET THAT I'LL HAND OUT AND, UM, IT'S KIND OF A FOLLOW UP TO THE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GIVE YOU A PROGRESS TO HOW THE TRAFFIC PORTION OF THE COMP PLAN IS, IS WORKING OUT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GO OVER SOME SPECIFIC THINGS THAT WE WANNA, THAT WE WANNA HIGHLIGHT, UM, FOR DISCUSSION THIS EVENING.
FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION MAPS, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, UM, PROJECTS, LIKE PROJECTS YOU WANT TO PRIORITIZE AS A TOWNSHIP FOR YOUR REVIEW AND YOUR INPUT.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, THE DISCUSSION ON RECOMMENDATIONS, NEXT STEPS.
SO YOU KIND OF HAVE AN IDEA WHERE WE THINK IT'S GOING.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH YOUR YAY MAS OR ADDITIONS WHERE, WHERE.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DID YOU PASS OVER? GOOD EVENING.
HERE ON THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT TO THE COMP PLAN, AS ANTHONY DESCRIBED AND THE PACKET THESE HANDING OUT NOW, UH, THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN OUTLINE, WE HAVE KIND OF THE ELEMENTS THAT WHAT I WAS, YOU KNOW, HERE, UM, LAST MONTH WE TALKED ABOUT ITEM ONE AND SOME ELEMENTS OF ITEM TWO.
AND WE WENT THROUGH, UM, ITEM THREE WITH THE CRASH DATA AND SAFETY ANALYSIS.
SO THE ITEMS THAT YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTED TODAY ARE SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WE'VE NOT HIT IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING.
AND WE'RE GONNA TALK MORE ABOUT, UM, TODAY.
SO, UM, ANTHONY'S GONNA TALK IN A MOMENT HERE ABOUT FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION AND WHAT THAT MEANS IN TERMS OF, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT AND, AND, UM, RIGHT AWAY WIDTH AND SOME POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SOME MODIFICATIONS.
WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN.
YEAH, SO WE, UM, SO THE FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION MAPS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECALL WHEN WE INITIALLY HAD SOME OF THIS CONVERSATION AFTER THE EDIT, HOW LONG AGO THAT WAS NOW, LIKE OVER TWO YEARS, TWO YEARS AGO MAYBE.
UM, SO THE, THE, THE PRESENTATION OF THE MAP HASN'T REALLY CHANGED, BUT, UM, BASICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION AS THE, THE CLASSIFICATION OF THE ROADWAYS WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP.
SO THEY'RE BROKEN DOWN INTO VARIOUS CATEGORIES.
UM, 1, 2, 3, 4, 4 CATEGORIES, FIVE CATEGORIES NOW.
UH, LIMITED, LIMITED ACCESS, ARTERIAL COLLECTOR, FEEDER VILLAGE ROAD.
AND BASED UPON THOSE CLASSIFICATIONS, UM, AS YOU LOOK IN THE SADDLE, THOSE RELATE TO, UH, RIGHT OF WAY, ULTIMATE RIGHT OF WAY ALLOCATIONS FOR, UM, DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES IN ALONG THOSE CORRIDORS.
AND ALSO IT RELATES TO DESIGN CRITERIA, ROADWAY CRITERIA, HOW WIDE A ROAD NEEDS TO BE.
SO THAT'S HOW THOSE THINGS KIND OF TIE TOGETHER.
UM, AND THAT HAS A FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM.
THE COUNTY HAS A FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM.
UH, D-V-R-P-C HAS AN OVERALL CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM.
SO WHAT WE TRIED TO DO AND HOW IT'S
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OUTLINED IN THE CHART, UM, ON THE SECOND PAGE OF THE PACKET AFTER THE OUTLINE IS WE HAVE THE ROADS OBVIOUSLY LISTED.AND THEN THE FIRST COLUMN IS WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING IS RECOMMENDED CHANGES IN THE CURRENT UPDATES TO THE COMP PLAN AND THEN THE LAST THREE COLUMNS.
UM, SO THE ONE TO THE RIGHT OF THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE WHAT'S, WHAT, IT'S WHAT THE ROADWAYS IN THE TOWNSHIP ARE CURRENTLY CLASSIFIED AS, HOW PENNDOT CLASSIFIES THE ROADWAYS, AND THEN HOW THE COUNTY CLASSIFIES THEM.
SO WE CAN KIND OF LOOK AT THEM ALL, SEE HOW THEY'RE CURRENTLY CATEGORIZED TODAY, SEE HOW THEY'RE COMPARED TO PENDOT AND THE COUNTY.
UM, AND THEN WHAT WE DID IS WE KIND OF LOOKED AT, OKAY, HOW DID PENDO LAST BY? HOW DID THE COUNTY, HOW ARE THEY CLASSIFIED TODAY? AND HAS THE LAND USE AND THE HAS BEEN DISCUSSED IN THE CURRENT COMP PLAN DATES BASED ON THE FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE SEEN THAT JEFF'S BEEN WORKING THROUGH.
WE KIND OF LOOKED AT, OKAY, WHERE'S THAT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT GOING? HOW IS IT CLASSIFIED? WHAT SORT OF DEVELOPMENT IS IN THE TOWNSHIP? AND THEN WE LOOKED AT DO, DO THE CURRENT CLASSIFICATION STILL MAKE SENSE OR, OR ARE THERE, UH, CERTAIN ONES THAT WE SHOULD IDENTIFY AS POSSIBLY CHANGING THE CLASSIFICATION FOR? SO AS YOU LOOK TO THE SECOND COLUMN THAT RECOMMENDED, WE HAVE, UH, NOT TOO MANY THAT, UH, WE WOULD RECOMMEND CHANGES, BUT, UM, THERE ARE A FEW, SO THE ONES HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, UM, ARE ONES THAT WE FEEL BASED ON ALL THE, WHERE, WHERE THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IS GOING, WHAT'S HAPPENED SINCE THE LAST COMP PLAN SINCE 2010, UM, HOW PENNDOT AND, AND COUNTY HAVE CLASSIFIED THOSE.
AND WE FEEL LIKE THOSE CATEGORIES OR THOSE ROADWAYS SHOULD CHANGE BECAUSE THEY, THEY WOULD ALIGN VERY CLOSELY WITH PENNDOT IN THE COUNTY.
UM, YOU, YOU, UH, YOU LIVE THESE WORDS EVERY DAY? MM-HMM,
COULD YOU HELP US JUST DEFINE, YOU KNOW, THE DEFINITION OF ARTERIAL AND COLLECTOR AND FEEDER? AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO DETAIL.
SO TO GIVE YOU A QUICK, JUST A, NOT, YOU KNOW, JUST TO KEEP IT SIMPLE, IS THAT YOUR CLASSIFICATION IS TIED CLOSELY TO THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON THE ROADWAY.
SO THERE'S AN A DT, THE AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC THRESHOLD.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THEM OFFHAND, BUT THERE'S CERTAIN CATEGORIES, LIKE IF YOU HAVE THIS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, IT'S CLASSIFIED AS ARTER.
THEY HAVE THIS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON YOUR ROAD, IT'S CLASSIFIED AS A FEEDER.
HOW ABOUT SOME EXAMPLES? LOCAL STREETS THAT HE KNOWS? YEAH.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, LET'S SEE, IF YOU LOOK AT ONE 13, THE FIRST ONE ON THE LIST, OR I'M SORRY, THE, UH, SECOND ONE ON THE LIST 29, ROUTE 29.
THAT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CARTER IN THE TOWNSHIP THAT'S CURRENTLY CLASSIFIED AS ARTERIAL.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY 20,000 OR ABOVE.
UH, SO ARTERIAL MEANS THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, THAT'S HOW IT TIED, THAT'S CLASSIFIED IF IT IS 20,000 OR ABOVE.
IT'S CALLED ARTERIAL EVERYWHERE.
IT'S NOT, THEY'RE NOT EXACTLY THE SAME, BUT THEY'RE VERY CLOSE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW PENDO CLASSIFIES ON ARTERIAL, HOW D-V-R-P-C DOES AND HOW THE COUNTY DOES, THEY'RE, THEY'RE RELATIVELY CLOSE.
THEY'RE NOT EXACTLY THE SAME, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE, BUT IF I, IF I WAS SOMEWHERE I'M NOT HERE, AND I MENTIONED AN ARTERIAL ROAD, SOMEBODY WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT TERMINOLOGY, CORRECT? CORRECT.
THEY WOULD KNOW IT'S A SIGN HAS SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, 20,000 OR SO A DT.
UM, AND THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT CORRIDOR THROUGH THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
SO IT'S NOT JUST THE, YOU KNOW, FEEDER LOCAL ROADS, KIND OF HOW IT SOUNDS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT DOESN'T CARRY A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
IT'S NOT LOCATED ON LIKE A, A NUMBERED ROUTE.
IT'S NOT AN EXPRESSWAY, IT'S IN A NEIGHBORHOOD SOMEWHERE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF CONNECTIONS, A LOT OF CUL-DE-SAC ROADS, YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF THING.
ARTERIAL'S MORE, A LOT OF TRAFFIC LIGHTS, A LOT OF INTERCONNECTED ROADWAYS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY HOW THEY'RE DEFINED.
SO THE, THE CLASSIFICATION, LIMITED ACCESS ARTERIAL SO THAT THE HIGHER, SO THE WAY ON THE LEGEND THERE, HOW IT'S CURRENTLY IDENTIFIED ON THE MAPS, AND THEN THES, IT GOES FROM HIGHEST A DT TO TO LOWEST, UM, THAT THAT'S HOW IT'S RANKED.
UM, SO HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION AT LEAST GIVES YOU A BETTER IDEA HOW THEY'RE ARRANGED TO ORDER THAT SOMEONE HELP.
YOU CAN ALSO, WHAT I HAVE UP THERE NOW IS OUR EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY MAP EVERY DEVELOPMENT WHEN THEY COME IN, THEY LOOK AT WHAT THEIR RIGHT OF WAY IS DEFINED BY COLLECTOR FEE OR WHATEVER.
AND YOU CAN TELL BY THIS MAP, WE'RE MISSING A FEW STREETS ON THERE.
UM, IT'S FROM, ORIGINALLY FROM 1999, I THINK LAST UPDATED IN 2003.
UM, WE JUST HAVEN'T REALLY GOTTEN AROUND TO UPDATING IT, BUT THAT'S WHAT PART
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OF THIS PROCESS IS FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO UPDATE THE ROADS AND SEE IF ANY CLASSIFICATIONS HAVE CHANGED.AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE CHART OF YOUR SHOWS FOR ANTHONY.
AND THIS IS MORE SO, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY THIS IS LIKE THE, IT'S THE PLANNING TOOL FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, APPLICANTS AND THEIR ENGINEERS.
YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN THEY FIGURE OUT, OKAY, WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT ON X ROAD, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY TYPICALLY DO, THEIR PROCESS IS, OKAY, WHAT'S THE CLASSIFICATION OF THIS ROADWAY? HOW MUCH RIGHT OF WAY DO WE NEED TO DEDICATE, WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN TERMS OF WIDENING ALONG OUR FRONT EDGE? AND THAT IMPACTS, FOR EXAMPLE, THEIR SETBACK LINES FOR THEIR, UH, PROPERTIES, PARKING, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE ZONING AND, AND SADDLE REQUIREMENTS FOR, UM, APPLICATION.
SO THE CLASSIFICATION, YOU KNOW, THE HIGHER THE CLASSIFICATION, THE MORE RIGHT OF WAY IS TYPICALLY NEEDS TO BE SET ASIDE ON THE ROAD.
THE MORE, UM, CART WAY WIDTH THAT YOU NEED FOR LIKE LANDS AND DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO YOU HAVE THE DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN ON A, ON A, ON ROUTE 29, WHICH IS AN ARTERIAL.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A HIGHER CRITERIA FOR HOW MUCH RIGHT AWAY THEY NEED TO DEDICATE TO THE TOWNSHIP ALONG THE FRONTAGE.
AND THEN HOW MUCH WIDENING THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO, HOW MANY ROADWAY, HOW MUCH ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
SO CHANGING, UM, UH, ONE 13 OR BLACKROCK ROAD, EACH OF ROAD FROM COLLECTOR TO MATERIAL, DOES THAT COST ATTENTION AT NO, IT COST OTHER THAN THE COST TO DEVELOP THE CRITERIA, I GUESS, BUT NO, SO WHAT IT DOEST REALLY, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT IT IN TERMS OF SOME OF THESE ARE JUST OUTDATED.
THEY, THEY'RE NOT WHAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY CLASSIFIED AS IN 2010.
IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE ROADS, LOOK AT HOW PIGS ARE CLASSIFIED TODAY, THEY DON'T MATCH.
UM, THE ORANGE ARE MORE, THEY, THEY PROBABLY AREN'T NECESSARILY THESE CLASSIFICATIONS, BUT IT, IT DOESN'T REALLY CHANGING THEM, DOESN'T, IT IS KIND OF YOU FLIP A, FLIP A COIN AS TO WHETHER, SO CHANGE IT, THE STATE DOESN'T COME IN AND SAY, OKAY, NOW YOU'RE GONNA WIDEN THIS ROAD, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AS MUCH LOCK LEEWAY.
NO, IT'S MUCH LIKELY WHAT? NO, IT'S MORE, IT'S MORE PLANNING.
LIKE IT'S LOOKING AT THE TOWNSHIP BALLISTICALLY, LOOKING AT WHERE THOSE ROADS ARE GOING, TYING IT WITH THE LAND USE THAT JEFF HAS BEEN WORKING THROUGH.
AND, AND THE BOARD HAS WEIGHED IN ON WHERE THAT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT'S GONNA GO.
AND THEN DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO CHANGE THAT CLASSIFICATION WITH WHAT'S COMING, WITH WHAT'S BEEN DONE SINCE 2010? SO THAT WAY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT ON THESE CORRIDORS, ON THESE ROADWAYS, UM, NOW HAVE A MORE APPROPRIATE OFFSET, MORE, MORE APPROPRIATE RIGHT AWAY TO PLAN FOR MORE APPROPRIATE LIGHTNING WIDTH TO, UM, TO PLAN FOR.
BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, EVEN IF THEY, YOU, YOU KNOW, IF A DEVELOPMENT COMES IN AND SAY, UH, ON ROUTE 29, WE'LL KEEP, WE'LL KEEP MENTIONING THAT ONE, IT'S AN ARTERIAL ROAD.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ROADWAY, ROADWAY WIDENING.
BUT IF THEY, THEY DO A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT DETERMINES THAT THEY NEED MULTIPLE LANES AND TURN LANES AND STUFF, ALTHOUGH THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE THESE MINIMUMS THAT POSSIBLY CHANGES WITH WHATEVER IMPACT TO A DEVELOPMENT IS.
SO IT'S NOT THE END ALL BE ALL, UM, BUT IT IS, IT'S, IT IS WISE TO KIND OF PLAN AHEAD AND MAKE IT MAKE SENSE SO THAT YOU CAN AT LEAST SET IT UP APPROPRIATELY FROM THE PLANNING PERSPECTIVE BEFORE YOU GET INTO ALL THE WEEDS OF THE TRAFFIC STUDIES AND ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
AND I THINK THE OTHER THING TO NOTE JUST THAT, SO WHEN BUILDING ON A STATE ROAD, UM, PENNDOT'S GONNA BE LOOKING AT ITS OWN FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION, NOT NECESSARILY THE TOWNSHIP.
AND, AND, AND THE ALIGNMENT PART TOO, LIKE TO, TO, TO PIGGYBACK OF WHAT BRIAN JUST SAID, THIS IS A GOOD POINT.
YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WE COORDINATE WITH PENN OUT ON THEIR, ON THESE APPLICATIONS.
UM, SO AS BRIAN MENTIONED, THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT THEIR, SO IF WE HAVE A LOWER CATEGORY TO THEM, THEY'RE GONNA GO WITH WHAT THEIR CLASSIFICATION IS.
SO IT, IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, IT ALMOST MAKES SENSE TO ALIGN IT IF, YOU KNOW, DEPEND ON IF, ESPECIALLY IF THE CRITERIA IS THERE.
THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAVING, WE'RE THE DISCUSSION IN THOSE CASES ARE ON THE SAME PLAYING FIELD.
YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE THESE DISCREPANCIES, THINGS ARE MORE ALIGNED.
SO, SO YOU, YOU'RE RECOMMENDING SOME OF THESE ROADS TO BE CHANGED TO EITHER COLLECTOR OR ARTERIAL AND THEN, BUT PENDO STILL GOT OTHER CLASSES, THEY CALL IT MINOR AND MAJORS.
YEAH, THEY HAVE, THEY DEFINITELY HAVE, THEY HAVE MORE BREAKDOWNS IN THEIR CATEGOR MORE CATEGORIES.
YEAH, MORE, MORE CATEGORIES, WHICH WE, IT DOESN'T AFFECT US IN ANY WAY, IF NOT, NOT REALLY.
I MEAN, WE, WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS AS TO WHETHER, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO CLASSIFY OURS FURTHER? BUT REALLY WITH WHERE WE ARE IN OUR TOWNSHIP AND HOW MUCH IS LEFT TO DEVELOP, I, IT'S KIND OF, WE THOUGHT IT BE FRUITLESS EXERCISE.
IT REALLY DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING.
MY ONLY CONCERN IS DOES IT COST US ANY MONEY? NO.
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ORANGE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE HIGHLIGHTED.WE WOULD RECOMMEND THEM TO CHANGE.
SO THINGS AGAIN, ARE MORE ALIGNED WITH HOW THEY'RE GENERALLY CLASSIFIED WITH, YOU KNOW, PENNDOT COUNTY.
SO IT DOESN'T, THEY'RE NOT VERY, THEY'RE NOT VARIABLE BUT THE RIGHT OF WAY, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN, IN THE ORANGE ROADS LIKE MENNONITE ROAD CIDER, UH, CIDER MILL ROAD AND YEAGER ROAD, FOR EXAMPLE.
UH, THE, THE CLASSIFICATION CHANGE MAKES SENSE, LIKE ON THE SURFACE, BUT IF IT DOESN'T CHANGE, IF THERE'S ANY REASON WHY WE WOULDN'T WANT TO CHANGE FROM FEEDER CLASSIFICATION, THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY ALLOTMENT FOR A FEEDER ROAD AND THE ROADWAY WIDENING FOR FEEDER ROAD ON THESE PARTICULAR ONES WOULD SUFFICE.
BECAUSE ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD COME IN A REDEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD OCCUR, IF, IF THE IMPACTS REQUIRES THAT IT BE MORE THAN THE FEEDER CATEGORY, THEN THEN THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD HAVE TO WIDEN MORE OR SAY MORE RIGHT AWAY, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THOSE ARE MORE LIKE, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A KIND OF A FLIP OF A COIN.
WE THINK IT MAKES SENSE, BUT IT, WE DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE FEEL STRONGLY, I GUESS THAT THEY SHOULD CHANGE, PUT IT THAT WAY.
THE ONES IN YELLOW WE, WE FEEL DO MAKE SENSE FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE.
THE CHANGE, I THINK FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT, HE TOLD ME IF I'M WRONG, JEFF, TOO.
BUT I MEAN, I THINK THE, THE PLAN, THE COMP PLAN WILL MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT THIS.
AND THEN I THINK WE'RE WORKING WITH YOU GUYS, WORKING, WE'LL WORK WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO GET TO A FINAL LIST, BUT RIGHT.
THEN THERE'S A NEXT STEP ABOUT ACTUALLY DOING IT.
ESSENTIALLY WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS WE WILL COME IN AND WE'LL HAVE A PRIORITY LIST OF ALL OF OUR ACTION ITEMS, AND ONE OF THOSE IS UPDATING THE RIGHT OF WAY MAP.
SO IF THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S A HIGH PRIORITY, WE'LL KNOCK THAT OFF THE LIST FAIRLY QUICK.
WE'LL COME IN, WE'LL HAVE YOU RECOMMEND APPROVAL ON A, ON A RIGHT OF WAY MAP, AND THE BOARD WILL VOTE TO ADOPT IT.
SAME THING WITH AN OFFICIAL MAP.
WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT IT MUCH, BUT THE OFFICIAL MAP WE HAVE IS THE LAST, WAS LAST UPDATED IN 2008.
IT, IT IS WOEFULLY OUT OF DATE, BUT THAT'S SORT OF THE FIRST THING WE'LL TACKLE AFTER THE COMP PLAN, TAKE ALL THE COMP PLAN IDEAS AND PUT 'EM ON A MAP.
WE'LL TAKE ALL THESE IDEAS AND PUT IT ON A MAP SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE CHANGES ARE GOING TO BE.
SO NEXT TIME I'M SITTING IN TRAFFIC ON BLACKROCK, INSTEAD OF SAYING, THIS ROAD IS A PAIN, I'M CALL, HEY, THIS ROAD'S AN ARTERIAL, AN ARTERIAL PAIN, AN ARTERIAL ARTERIAL PAIN.
MAKE ME FEEL, FEEL BETTER ABOUT SITTING THERE.
YOU CAN DRIVE, DRIVE AROUND WITH A NEW LIST.
THAT'S WHY I'M DRIVING AROUND WITH THE THIS, THAT'S WHY YOU FILL IN YOUR ARTERIES, YOU KNOW,
SO THAT, THAT'S THE FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION IN A NUTSHELL.
I MEAN, IT'S, LIKE I SAID, IT'S MORE, MORE OF A PLANNING TOOL.
IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T HAVE AN INFLUENCE IN TERMS, I KNOW ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAD IS LIQUID FUELS AND THOSE SORT, I MEAN, IT IS MORE FOR, FOR PLANNING AND LOOKING AT WHERE THE TOWNSHIP IS GOING WITH THE REMAINING DEVELOPMENT AND IS, IS IT OUTDATED? DOES IT MAKE SENSE? AND, UM, THAT THAT'S REALLY THE, THE, UM, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION MATTER.
I DIDN'T MEAN TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON NO, THAT'S OKAY.
THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS AND INPUT AND JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GOT WELL, I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE TERMINOLOGY.
AND I, A LOT OF TIMES IT'S UNDERSTAND IT'S WHAT WE TALK ABOUT ALL THE TIME.
SO FOR ME IT'S SECOND NATURE, SO SOMETIMES I NEED A QUESTION TO REMIND ME.
UM, SO THEN THE NEXT ITEM, I'LL KICK IT BACK TO BRIAN, UH, THAT WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IS TALKING ABOUT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, UM, PROJECTS AND THAT SECTION OF THE
SO IF YOU GO TO THE THIRD PAGE IN THE PACKET THERE, UM, SO THE, THE CHAPTER KIND OF OPENS WITH A BREAKDOWN OF THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT, UM, TRANSPORTATION, UH, IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS ARE FUNDED, WHETHER IT BE THROUGH GRANT FUNDS, TOWNSHIP FUNDS, FEDERAL FUNDS, THROUGH THE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, ACT 2 0 9 FUNDS, UH, WHICH THE TOWNSHIP COLLECTS AND LAND LAND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
AND KIND OF SEGUES FROM THERE INTO SOME MAKING EXAMPLES OF SOME SIGNIFICANT TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AT LEAST SINCE THE LAST COMP PLAN AND, AND SOME MORE RECENTLY THAN THAT.
AND WHAT WE'RE KIND OF BUILDING TOWARDS.
THEN NEXT STEP IS KIND OF LOOKING AT PROJECTS THAT ARE KIND OF, HAVE THEIR FUNDING IN PLACE, THEIR PRIORITIES, AND THEY'RE COMING, BUT, AND THE MONEY'S LINED UP.
IT'S JUST NOT, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S IN PROCESS.
IT'S, IT'S, UH, BEING IMPLEMENTED.
AND THEN I THINK WHAT WE WANT TO GET TO WITH YOUR GUYS' HELP AS THE DRAFT KIND OF COMES TOGETHER IS A LIST OF PRIORITY TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.
AND I THINK THAT, UM, THAT WILL INCLUDE PROJECTS THAT ARE PARTIALLY FUNDED AND NEED MORE, AND THEN ALSO SOME THAT HAVEN'T REALLY STARTED YET.
YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU SORT OF GO TO THE NEXT PAGE THERE, THIS IS A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PRIORITIZATION THAT WAS WORKED UP KIND OF AT A STAFF LEVEL LAST FALL.
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OF AS A, A STARTING POINT FOR OUR POTENTIAL, UM, PRIORITY TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.AND SO WE'VE KIND OF TAKEN FROM THIS AND UPDATING IT AND ADDING THINGS TO IT OR TAKING THINGS OFF AS THE CASE MAY BE.
AND, UM, THINKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT STRATEGICALLY, YOU KNOW, ABOUT HOW DIFFERENT PROJECTS ULTIMATELY GET FUNDED.
AND SO THAT SORT OF, UH, WORKING THROUGH THAT LIST OF PROJECTS TO GET TO, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THIS TRANSPORTATION CHAPTER, I THINK IS REALLY HELPFUL IN PARTICULARLY AS YOU'RE PURSUING GRANT FUNDING.
A LOT OF GRANT APPLICATIONS WILL ASK YOU, YOU KNOW, DOES, DOES THIS A PROJECT, UH, APPEAR SOMEWHERE IN AN ADOPTED PLAN? AND SO YOU CAN SAY YES, IN THE COMP PLAN, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED IT, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, AND IT GIVES A SIGNAL THAT, THAT THE PROJECT HAS BUY-IN, YOU KNOW, LOCALLY THROUGH ELECTED OFFICIALS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE'RE WORKING UP THIS, UH, THIS PRIORITY LIST AND WE'LL, YOU KNOW, BE SEEKING YOUR INPUT ON WHAT WE HAVE AND, AND WOULD ADD AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IF I, IF I COULD BRIAN, THEN, SO ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PRIOR, THAT CHART HAS THE BLUE AT TOP AND THEN HAS SOME HIGHLIGHTED GREEN AND ALL THIS.
SO ESSENTIALLY, AS BRIAN MENTIONED, THOSE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN, THEY WERE DISCUSSED THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY EVERY YEAR YOU GO THROUGH THE BOARD, PROSECUTORS BUDGETING, UH, RIGHT.
AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHERE PRIORITIES ARE GONNA BE IN THE TOWNSHIP, WHAT, WHAT PROJECTS ARE GONNA BE BUDGETED FOR, ET CETERA, FROM CAP, FROM ROADWAY PROJECTS TO TRAIL PROJECTS AND, AND, AND ANYTHING ELSE.
SO THE IDEA, SO THIS WAS ANYTHING, SO THE LIST THAT WE PROVIDED, UM, ABOVE THE GRAY LINE, UM, THOSE ARE ESSENTIALLY WHAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED TO DATE WITH STAFF, UM, AS PRIORITY PROJECTS THAT ARE, THAT SOME OF 'EM ARE IN PROGRESS ALREADY, AND SOME OF 'EM, UM, HAVE ALREADY OBTAINED SOME, SOME FUNDING.
SO THOSE ARE THE SORTS OF THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA PULL, LIKE BRIAN MENTIONED FROM THIS TABLE AND KIND OF DESCRIBE IT, TALK ABOUT IT IN THE COMP PLAN.
UM, AND THEN AS THIS YEAR AND THE NEXT BUDGET SEASON WAS CLOSELY UPON US, I GUESS STARTS TO FLUSH OUT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS OF PARK PARKHOUSE OBVIOUSLY IS A BIG TOPIC OF DISCUSSION.
ENGINEERING IS MOVING ON THE ROUNDABOUT AND DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO, AND THERE'S ALSO, SO THE LIST IS GONNA BE COMPRISED OF ROADWAY PROJECTS, INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, AND ALSO MULTIMODAL TYPE PROJECTS LIKE TRAIL PROJECTS, SIDEWALK PROJECTS, WHICH IS ALWAYS A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION BETWEEN JEFF GILMORE, OUR OFFICE, UM, ESPECIALLY AS THESE BIGGER LAND DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS COME THROUGH AND WHAT THEY'RE BUILDING AND HOW IT TIES TO THE VISION OF THE TOWNSHIP.
SO THOSE ARE THE SORTS OF PROJECTS.
SO THIS LIST, EVERYTHING ABOVE THE GRAY LINE IS ESSENTIALLY LIKE OUR STARTING POINT.
UM, IT HAS THE IMPROVEMENTS AT THE INTERSECTION OF, UH, HOT WOOD 29, YOU KNOW, THOSE THAT'S BEEN IN THERE.
LEWIS AND VAUGHN, AS, FOR EXAMPLE, HAS BEEN ANOTHER HOT TOPIC.
UM, THAT'S CERTAINLY A PROJECT THAT'S ON THERE, YOU KNOW, FOR SOME OF THE, UH, UH, FOR THE OFFICER FOR, FOR SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE, WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING MOST RECENTLY.
UM, SO THOSE ARE THE SORTS OF, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE BUILDING BLOCK.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE AND YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR YOU, THERE'S OTHER, YOU KNOW, OTHER APPLICATIONS THAT WE'VE SEEN AND REVIEWED THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE ON YOUR MIND THAT YOU THINK MAYBE SH SHOULD BE ON THIS LIST OR SOME OF THESE THINGS SHOULD MOVE AROUND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE KIND OF INPUT WE'D BE LOOKING FOR.
WHAT ABOUT THE BRIDGE ON ONE 13? THE THE ONE LANE BRIDGE? THE ONE, YEAH, THAT'S A, THAT'S A CONSTANT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S A PENDO BRIDGE, BUT THAT'S INCORPORATED IN THE DESIGN THAT, SO THE TOWNSHIP IS ADVANCING THE DESIGN OF THAT ROUNDABOUT.
THE BRIDGE REPLACEMENT IS PART OF THAT PROJECT.
SO THOSE TWO THINGS ARE MOVING TOGETHER.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF FUNDING GAP, THOUGH.
THAT'S BEEN THE, THE BIG, THAT'S BEEN THE CONSTANT, UH, TOPIC OF CONVERSATION LATELY AT STAFF LEVEL IS WORKING WITH DELTA DEVELOPMENT GROUP AND THE STAFF TO KIND OF IDENTIFY ALL THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT'S NEEDED.
SO WE HAVE FUNDING FOR PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING, WHICH KIND OF GETS THE INITIAL PROCESS GOING, BUT THEN WE NEED FINAL, AND THEN YOU NEED CONSTRUCTION ULTIMATELY.
THERE'S NO CHANCE OF THEM DEFERRING THAT BRIDGE AND DO THE OTHER PART.
I MEAN, THEY, IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE GONNA DO THE ROUNDABOUT, THEY'RE GONNA DO THE BRIDGE SAFETY.
WE, THERE'S NO CHANCE OF THEM DEFERRING THAT.
WE, WE SEE IT, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH PENDO THAT THAT QUESTIONS COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, CAN THOSE TWO THINGS BE SEPARATED FOR TIMING OR WHAT HAVE YOU? BUT THE AMOUNT OF GRADING, LIKE THE EXCAVATION AND THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO
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BETWEEN THE PROPOSED ROUNDABOUT AND THAT BRIDGE IS SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH THAT IT REALLY IS HARD TO SEPARATE, TO SEPARATE THE TWO.UH, 'CAUSE YOU, YOU BASICALLY, IF YOU WERE TO BUILD ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER, YOU'RE LEAVING, YOU'D BE LEAVING A SITUATION IN THE INTERIM.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALSO NOT IDEAL.
'CAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, HUMPS AND THINGS THAT JUST, IT'S, IT'S ALMOST, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU, YOU'D HAVE SECTIONS THAT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE AND YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO DO FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE.
SO THOSE TWO THINGS ARE SO CLOSELY TIED THAT, THAT THEY ALMOST HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT AS A, AS A PARTNER PROJECT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S HOW WE'VE BEEN ADVANCING THEM ON THE DESIGN SIDE.
BUT THOSE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE THREE MAIN THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN TOPICS OF CONVERSATION, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TOWNSHIP LATELY HAS BEEN, UH, SECOND AVENUE, D DR BUS ONE 13, LEWIS AND VAUGHN HOPWOOD, 29.
THOSE HAVE BEEN HOTBEDS OF DISCUSSIONS LATELY.
AND THOSE HAVE BEEN A FOCUS, AS YOU CAN SEE.
'CAUSE THEY, THEY'VE BEEN ON THAT, UM, ON WHICH NOW DOES IT SECOND AVENUE KIND OF JUMP TO THE TOP TWO NOW WITH ALL THE OTHER STUFF THAT'S GOING ON? UH, I MEAN, IT'S, I WOULD SAY SO.
STATE ROAD, I MEAN STATE AND SECONDED.
UM, AND WE, YOU KNOW THAT A LOT OF THAT STUFF'S GONNA BE CONTINUED TO BE FLUSHED OUT, OBVIOUSLY WITH, YOU KNOW, IN THAT AREA WITH, UM, THE REVIEW OF THE STUDY AND THE FURTHER PROGRESSIVE PARKHOUSE, ET CETERA.
BUT YEAH, SO WE, AND, AND THEN SOME OF THOSE ITEMS, YOU KNOW, BRIAN TOUCHED UPON AND WE HAD, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT, AND YOU HAD WEIGHED IN WHEN IT WAS ADOPTED THREE YEARS AGO NOW, I THINK THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLANT, WHICH KIND OF WENT THROUGH IDENTIFYING WHERE TRAILS SHOULD GO, SIDEWALKS, ET CETERA.
SO WE WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES NOT ONLY FOR THE ROADWAY THINGS, BUT ALSO FOR THOSE TRAILS SIDEWALK PROJECTS.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, AS WE, WE COLLABORATE WITH GILMORE AND JEFF, YOU KNOW, AND, AND YOU AND OTHERS, THE BOARD, AND, UM, TO TRY TO IDENTIFY OPPORTUNITIES TO ADVANCE THOSE PROJECTS AS WELL.
ROUTE 29 AND ARCOLA IS AN EXAMPLE THAT'S ON THIS LIST THAT WAS IN THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
AND BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING A GRANTS, UM, YOU KNOW, TO START ADVANCING ENGINEERING THERE AT THAT INTERSECTION FOR CROSSING A CROSS ROUTE 29.
SO, YEAH, A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS, IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT DOES, IT DOES HELP WHEN IT'S IN LIKE A COMP PLAN.
AND, UM, WHEN YOU START PURSUING AND APPLYING FOR GRANTS, YOU, YOU, YOU KIND OF START PUTTING THE, THE TOWNSHIP GIFT IS IN A BETTER POSITION FOR THOSE, FOR THOSE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES IN THE FUTURE.
THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL WE, THAT'S ALL WE HAD.
SO ANY INPUT THAT YOU HAVE ON THE THINGS THAT YOU THINK SHOULD BE ON HERE, YOU LET US KNOW AND WE, WE CAN INCORPORATE IT.
I, I, I THINK THAT THE STATE ROAD AND SECOND AVENUES IS VAULTED TO THE TOP, YOU KNOW, OF ONE OF THESE SOMEWHERE THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED, YOU KNOW, RATHER QUICKLY.
AND I KNOW WE'LL BE AS WE MOVE FORWARD, BUT AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE TRANSPORTATION SIDE, THAT SHOULD BE ON THAT LIST OF WHAT THAT, UH, SECOND THAT, YEAH, BUT THAT'S NOT BOAT DOWN THERE WHERE THE TURNABOUTS GO, RIGHT? I'M TALKING ABOUT RIDE FOR STATE ROADS.
UM, I THINK THAT STATE ROAD NEEDS TO BE BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
I DON'T KNOW HOW QUICKLY, BUT CERTAINLY QUICKLY, UM, THAT SHOULD BE SOMEWHERE ON THEIR PRIORITIES.
YEAH, I'D HAVE THAT NOTED DOWN.
THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE.
UM, WELL, WE DO HAVE ALSO JUST THE, THE FINAL PAGE SECTION.
AND THEN, UH, MOVING ON TO THE RECOMMENDED, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO WE HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND ACTION ITEMS, WHICH AT THIS POINT ARE JUST, ARE DRAFT LEVEL, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM PLANNING COMMISSION THE STAFF AND JUST THINGS TO, TO GET ON THERE.
AND AS, AS, UH, JEFF WAS TALKING ABOUT THESE KIND OF ACTION ITEMS. THEN AFTER THE PLAN IS ADOPTED, THEY BECOME, YOU KNOW, SORT OF A, A MANDATE FOR THE TOWNSHIP TO, TO GET TO AND TO, TO IMPLEMENT.
SO IT'S JUST KIND OF A LIST THERE.
AND I, YOU KNOW, WE'D CERTAINLY LIKE TO HEAR A FEW, ANY, UM, EDITS OR, OR THINGS LIKE THAT AFTER YOU'VE HAD TIME TO REVIEW IT AND THINK ABOUT IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NEXT MEETING OR IF YOU WANT TO EMAIL US ALONG THE WAY AND, UH, ANY SUGGESTIONS OR EDITS OR CHANGES, WE CAN DO THAT.
SO JUST EXPLAIN AGAIN, BRIAN, WHAT THESE ARE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
YEAH, WELL, SO THERE, THERE, THERE WILL BE, UM, THE CHAPTER IN THE COMP PLAN WILL INCLUDE A RECOMMENDATION SECTION.
EVERY CHAPTER IS GONNA HAVE A RECOMMENDATIONS, ACTION ITEMS THING.
SO THIS IS HOW THE TRANSPORTATION CHAPTER WOULD KIND OF FINISH.
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UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE PLAN I GUESS, I GUESS IN TERMS OF WHO'S RECOMMENDATIONS THEY ARE.I THINK THAT WHEN THE PLAN'S ADOPTED, REALLY THERE ARE ALMOST THE BOARD'S RECOMMENDATIONS, REALLY.
RIGHT? OR THEY GENERALLY, THE WHOLE, THE, THE, THE FUNCTION OF THE COMP PLAN IS TO MAKE A BUNCH OF RECOMMENDATIONS, PRIORITIZE THEM INTO ACTION ITEMS. AND THEN AS WE HAVE HIGH PRIORITY, LIKE WITH THE ROADS OR THE ZONING ORDINANCE CHANGES OR MAP CHANGES, THINGS LIKE THAT, WE'LL START TO KNOCK THOSE THINGS OFF OVER THE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AS TIME ALLOWS, AND AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION INSTRUCTS US, OR THE BOARD INSTRUCTS US TO FIX THOSE THINGS.
AND SO IF YOU TAKE SOME OF THESE, LIKE REVIEW AND UPDATE THE TOWNSHIP'S ACT 2 0 9 STUDY, THE 2019 ACT 2 0 9 STUDY, WE LOOKED AT IT A COUPLE YEARS AGO IN TERMS OF ADJUSTING THE FEES, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT EVERY 10 YEARS, I THINK BY STATUTE.
I THINK, UH, YEAH, I THINK I, I, YEAH, I THINK SO.
THAT'S KIND OF LITTLE BIT DEPENDING ON WHAT'S GOING ON.
YEAH, MAYBE THAT'S NOT A HIGH PRIORITY BECAUSE IT'S ONLY FIVE YEARS INTO THE PLAN, BUT ONE THAT WHEN WE GET CLOSER TO 2029, WE, WE MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A PRIORITY, AND AS WE KNOCK OTHER THINGS OFF, COMING UP TO THE ACT 2 0 9 PLAN BECOMES THE NEXT ACTION ITEM THAT WE TACKLE.
RIGHT? AND I REALIZE THAT THIS PLANNING COMMISSION IS, IS SORT OF IN A DIFFERENT POSITION THAN MOST BECAUSE WE HAD A PLAN.
HONESTLY, IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE ACTION ITEMS IN THERE, THEY WERE ALL KNOCKED OFF PROBABLY IN THE FIRST FIVE OR SIX YEARS OF THAT PLAN.
OR THEY WERE DISCOUNTED AND SAID, WELL, WE REALIZE THAT'S WHAT THE COMP PLAN SAID, BUT WE DON'T FEEL THAT'S NECESSARY FOR THE TOWNSHIP ANYMORE.
AND SOME OF OUR, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, ELDER STATES, WHEN THEY'VE BEEN HERE A WHILE, MAYBE YOU REMEMBER SOME OF THOSE FROM WHEN WE'RE FROM, FROM WHEN WE WERE VERY FIRST ON HERE.
MAYBE YOU DON'T, I I, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SAY, BUT THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT HERE IS WE'LL GET INTO THESE ITEMS, PRIORITIZE 'EM, AND THEN AFTER THESE ADOPT, WE'LL START KNOCKING THEM OFF AND, AND CHECKING THE BOXES.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE ADOPTION PART.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PAPER YOU'VE GIVEN US, THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DEVELOPED BASED ON WHAT YOU DO EVERY DAY, RIGHT? YEAH, EXACTLY.
SO AS, AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE, AS WE'RE WORKING ON THE UPDATES TO THE TRAFFIC FOR THE TRANSPORTATION PORTION, UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT WE'VE BEEN A PART OF IN THE PAST, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S, THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE WHAT WE ARE KIND OF LIKE OUR STARTING POINT LIKE FOR INPUT.
HOW DO WE ADD TO THAT? WELL, YOU CAN, YOU CAN DISAGREE WITH SOME OF THESE.
YOU CAN SAY THESE SHOULD BE PRIORITIES.
WE CAN PRIORITIZE 'EM THAT WAY.
IF YOU FEEL LIKE THEY SHOULD BE LISTED IN AN ORDER OF PRIORITY, WE CAN DO THAT.
UM, IF THERE'S THINGS, THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T, THAT YOU FEEL LIKE WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF OR OTHER THINGS THAT YOU THINK SHOULD BE AN ACTION ITEM THAT WE HAVEN'T CAUGHT OUT HERE, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SAY, HEY, I THINK YOU GUYS ARE MISSING THIS, OR, UH, YOU FORGOT ABOUT A, B, C.
YOU WANT US TO GIVE SOME INPUT IF WE THINK WE HAVE SOME INPUT.
SO IF YOU LIKE THEM, THAT'S, THAT'S INPUT TOO.
WE, YOU KNOW, THUMBS UP SOUNDS GOOD.
UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T LIKE THEM, YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF THING.
UH, JOE PETERS, CAN, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO ASSIGN SOME OWNERSHIP TO EACH OF THESE? I DON'T MEAN SOMEONE WHO HAS TO SAY THIS IS THE SOLUTION, BUT SOME OF THEM NEEDS TO DRIVE THE RECOMMENDATION, THE PLAN, WHATEVER, TO PRESENT TO WHOMEVER THEY NEED TO SOMEBODY TO OWN THE ACTION ITEM TO GET TO SEE THAT IT GETS RESOLVED BASED ON THE PRIORITIES THAT ARE JUST DISCUSSED OR DECIDED ON.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT I PROBABLY WILL BE DONE AT ADOPTION, WOULDN'T IT? I MEAN, WE'D MORE APPROPRIATE TO, WHEN WE DECIDE, OKAY, HERE'S THE 10 THINGS WE ARE ADOPTING.
WELL, AN EXAMPLE REVIEW AND UPDATE THE TOWNSHIP 2019 ACT 2 0 9 STUDY.
WHO OWNS THAT ACTION TO REVIEW AND UPDATE IT TO PRESENT TO PLANNING COMMISSION? YOU KNOW, OR IS IT THE TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, CONSULTANTS THAT OWE THAT ACTION ITEM TO RECOMMEND TO THE TOWN, TO THE TOWNSHIP BOARD PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, AS WE CONFIGURE, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO, HOW DO THESE ACTION ITEMS GET COMPLETED? SOMEBODY'S GOTTA OWN THEM.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS, THOUGH, AFTER WE FIGURE OUT WHAT THOSE ACTION ITEMS ARE, THIS IS THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
I UNDERSTAND WE MAY WANT TO SAY ACT 2 0 9 WE DON'T CARE ABOUT, BECAUSE WHAT JEFF JUST SAID, IT'S ONLY, WE'RE ALREADY FIVE YEARS INTO A FIVE YEAR, A 10 YEAR PLAN.
SO MAYBE THAT'S NOT A PRIORITY, BUT AFTER WE DECIDE WHAT THOSE ARE, I THINK YOUR IDEA IS A GOOD ONE.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT ONCE YOU DECIDE IF YOU, WHICH ACTIONS ITEMS YOU AGREE WITH, RIGHT? THEN WE NEED TO ASSIGN RESPONSIBILITY TO SOMEBODY AND, AND, OR SOME ORGANIZATION.
AND ULTIMATELY THE AUTHORITY FOR MOST OF THESE ACTION ITEMS IS EITHER GONNA BE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF THIS PLANNING COMMISSION.
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ACTION ITEM TO DO SOMETHING? WELL, AND THAT'S WHERE, I MEAN, BECAUSE, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA ASK THEM THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO DO ALL THE DETAIL.OBVIOUSLY THERE'S OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THIS IS WE COME UP WITH A PRIORITY LIST AND, AND WE DO ANY ACTION ITEM, OR IN OUR PREVIOUS PLAN, IT WAS THE ACTION, THE PRIORITY, THE ACTION ITEM, THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY, AND THE, AND THEN A LIST OF GRANTS.
SO, AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE TYPICALLY DO IT.
ULTIMATELY, THIS IS GOING TO COME DOWN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAYING, OKAY, WE HAVE OUR LIST OF ACTION ITEMS. LET'S KNOCK OFF NUMBER ONE, ANTHONY, THAT HAPPENS TO BE THE ACT 2 0 9 PLAN.
AND THERE'S THINGS THAT ARE GONNA GO ALONG WITH THAT.
WE GOTTA REFORM THE, THE ACT 2 0 9 COMMITTEE.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S THINGS THAT ARE GONNA HAVE TO HAPPEN WITH THAT, BUT SOME OF IT MIGHT JUST BE STAFF.
JEFF WRITES AND ZONING THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT'S, THAT'LL BE IN THE LIST.
SO AT THIS POINT, YOU WANT US TO REVIEW THIS LIST? NOT NECESSARILY RIGHT NOW.
'CAUSE I, SOME OF THESE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY MEAN
YEAH, UNDERSTOOD THOSE THINGS.
WE CAN, IF YOU HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TONIGHT OBVIOUSLY, EITHER, BUT IF YOU HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS, YOU CAN ASK, WE CAN, WE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN EXPLAIN, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS, SOME OF THESE WORDS ARE WRITTEN TECHNICALLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UM, BUT YEAH, WE WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER THOSE SORTS OF QUESTIONS TOO.
YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT, AND THE RECOMME SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO SORT OF REFERENCE THINGS THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE IN THE COMPLETED CHAPTER.
SO THEY MIGHT MAKE MORE SENSE KIND OF AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE CHAPTER, THEN YOU GET THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
YOU, YOU HAVE SOME OF THE BACKGROUND ON THOSE THINGS.
YOU KNOW, I, I DID, I'M NOT THE SMARTEST WHIP IN THE BOOK, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT NUMBER J, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
I DON'T KNOW WHAT A-D-V-R-P-C-T IP IS.
YOU WANNA ANSWER THAT ONE? YEAH, SURE.
I'M NOT SURE YOU HAVE TO ANSWER
I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, ALL OF US ARE GONNA HAVE TO STEP BACK AND SAY, YEAH.
AND YOU'LL SEE AN EMAIL SAY, WHAT IS THIS? TELL ME WHAT THAT MEANS.
THEN THEY'LL, AND THEY'LL MOSTLY BE DESCRIBED WITHIN THE CHAPTERS TOO, LEADING UP TO THAT.
IF THEY'RE NOT, WE CAN PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, TRY TO, UM, MAYBE WE, WE CAN PREPARE MAYBE THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE NOT LIKE COVERED AS BRIAN SAID THROUGH THE CHAPTERS, THAT'LL HELP CLARIFY.
WE COULD PROBABLY A SUPPLEMENTAL DOCUMENT THAT EXPLAINS, HEY, THIS IS WHAT THIS WELL, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS LIST IS A REAL ROUGH LIST.
IT'S JUST I ASK THEM TO THROW SOMETHING TOGETHER SORT OF TO GET AN IDEA.
I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO DO THAT BASED ON MY LAST WEEK AND THIS WEEK.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE FOR THE NEXT MEETING, AND WE'LL TRY TO HAVE THEM ALL TOGETHER.
I JUST, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF US FULLY UNDERSTAND ALL THOSE RAMIFICATIONS AS TO WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND, YOU KNOW, WE JUST DRIVE THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE TOWNSHIP AND GET MAD, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT ALL THAT MEANS.
JERRY, YOU GOT SOMETHING? NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, UH, WE, WE KIND OF TOUCHED ON THIS, BUT ANY FEEDBACK OR COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE IN THE INTERIM, SHOULD JEFF BE THE COLLECTOR OF THOSE? YES, PLEASE.
AND THEN, AND THEN, UH, THESE ISSUES WILL COME UP AT SUBSEQUENT MEETINGS.
UH, AS AGENDA ITEMS THAT, WELL, ONCE WE GET, ONCE WE SORT OF GET THEM IN THE COMP PLAN, GET THEM IN THE TEXT OF THE COMP PLAN, WE'LL ADOPT THAT.
AND THEN WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A HONEYMOON PERIOD, WE'LL, WE'LL START KNOCKING THINGS OFF.
NO, I THINK IT'S A GREAT LIST.
I JUST, I JUST NEED TO DIGEST IT A LITTLE BIT,
I JUST HAVEN'T PUT IT IN PAPER YET, BUT SAME TYPE OF LIST QUESTION.
UM, IT MAY HAVE AN EFFECT ON THIS AND IT MAY NOT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TRAIN STOPPING AT PHOENIXVILLE AT SOME POINT IN CONTINUING ON FROM THERE.
HAS ANY THOUGHT BEEN GIVEN INTO THIS PLAN AS TO HOW THAT MIGHT TIE IN, IF IT EVEN HAPPENS AND, AND APPARENTLY IT'S, IT MAY BE PRETTY CLOSE IN SOME CASES.
WE DID WRITE ABOUT THAT PROJECT IN THE CHAPTER.
AND ACTUALLY, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT TO ADD POTENTIALLY TO THE LIST IS JUST TO, TO SORT OF BE, STAY INVOLVED IN THOSE EFFORTS AND STAY YEAH.
IT'S NOTHING, BUT MAYBE, MAYBE IT IS A COUPLE YEARS OUT, SO YEAH, IT'S MOVING ALONG.
WE HAVE LIKE A GENERAL, UH, TRANSIT BULLET POINT.
YEAH, NO, WE WOULD JUST, I DESCRIBED THE, THE PROJECT AND WHERE IT'S AT, KIND OF, YEAH.
DID YOU SHARE THAT WITH IT WAS, UH, PART OF LAST MONTH'S, UM, OH, STUFF.
THAT WRITE UP SECTION WAS PART OF THE LAST FORM.
SO THAT'S, SO IF YOU, IT SHOULD, THERE'S A WRITE UP IN THERE, UM, FROM THE LAST MEETING YEAH.
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IT WAS IN THE PACKET FOR THE, IN THE PACKET LAST NIGHT.I I, I TOOK ALL OF THEIR INFORMATION AND BROUGHT IT ALL TOGETHER, SQUISHED IT ALL TOGETHER.
SO EVERYTHING WE HAVE SORT OF IN THIS DOCUMENT, SAME THING WITH JEN'S SECTION.
UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER AS ONE DOCUMENT AND HOPEFULLY WE GET IT TO SORT OF FLOW.
I JUST NEED TO FORMAT IT CORRECTLY.
SORRY, I, I, I HOPE WE DIDN'T BEAT THAT UP.
I JUST, IT WASN'T A MATTER OF QUESTIONING WHAT YOU GUYS WROTE.
IT MUST BE, YEAH, ONE, ONE TO POKE, ONE OF JEFF'S, YOU KNOW, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN, SO THE ORIGINAL COMP, THE 2010, THIS BACK THEN THEY CALLED IT MOVEMENT OF THE PEOPLE AND GOODS I THINK WAS THE TRANSPORTATION SECTION.
SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW OLD THE PLAN IS BASED ON THAT TITLE.
BUT IT, IT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY LARGE.
I MEAN, THERE WAS A LOT OF PAGES TO THAT THING.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WITH JEFF, THIS WAS, LET'S NOT MAKE IT THAT AGAIN AND LET'S RUN THROUGH AND JUST MAKE IT CONCISE.
AND, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL SEE WHEN YOU SEE THE DRAFT IS YOU'LL SEE LIKE SOMETHING THAT WAS A HUNDRED PAGES BEFORE IS GONNA GET A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSOLIDATED SO IT'S EASIER TO FOLLOW MORE TABLE, MORE TABLES AND THAT SORT OF THING.
SO, UH, WHERE'S, WHERE'S ED? MOVE US NOW.
SO I HANDED YOU ALL MY HANDOUTS LAST TIME TO FIGURE YOU'RE LOADED FOR BEAR WITH QUESTIONS FOR ME IF THAT'S THE CASE SINCE YOU HAD A MONTH TO DIGESTED.
BUT I'LL REVIEW WHAT JEFF HANDED OUT.
UM, STARTING WITH THE MS FOUR PROGRAM.
YOU KNOW, WE THROW THAT LANGUAGE AROUND A LOT.
IT DOES ACTUALLY STAND FOR SOMETHING.
IT STARTS ON PAGE 21 OF THE DOCUMENT IN THERE IF YOU WANT TO, MS FOUR BEING MUNICIPAL, SEPARATE STORM SEWER SYSTEM.
UM, THAT'S SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, AREAS IN PENNSYLVANIA THAT STILL HAVE COMBINED SEWER.
SO SANITARY SEWER FROM HOUSES COMBINED WITH STORMWATER WOULD ALL GO TO THE TREATMENT PLANT.
YOURS, NUMBER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP ARE SEPARATE.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO ITEMS I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT.
THE MS FOUR IS JUST THE STORM WATER FLOW AND THE CHAPTER 94 IS THE ARY SEWER FLOW.
SO YOURS ARE SEPARATE AND THAT'S WHY YOU FALL UNDER THIS.
THE PERMITS THAT YOU DO FOR THE MS FOUR PERMIT THAT YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A GENERAL PERMIT.
THE PERMIT TERM IS GOOD FOR FIVE YEARS.
UM, YOUR CURRENT PERMIT WILL EXPIRE IN 2025.
WE ARE PREPARING THE RENEWAL DOCUMENTS FOR THOSE AND THEY ARE DUE TO DEP BY SEPTEMBER 25TH OF THIS YEAR.
UM, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE SEGMENTS OF YOUR PERMIT IS IF YOU HAVE ANY IMPAIRED WATERWAYS.
UM, YOU NEED TO ALSO HAVE A POLLUTION REDUCTION PLAN.
AND YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT THAT OVER THE PAST YEAR OR TWO.
ONE OF THE, UM, COLOR EXHIBITS IS THE, UM, THE THREE PRP AREAS THAT YOU HAVE.
AND WHAT YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT IS THE GREENWOOD AVENUE, UM, STREAMING STABILIZATION THAT'S BEING, UM, CONSTRUCTED BY WB HOMES AS PART OF THE 3 57 GREENWOOD AVENUE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.
UM, WE'RE PARTNERING WITH THEM AND THEY ARE BUILDING THAT FOR THE TOWNSHIP IN CONJUNCTION WITH THEIR LAND DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THAT WORK HAS ACTUALLY BEGUN, UM, IT NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF YOUR PERMIT TERM, WHICH IS 2025.
AND THAT'S SLATED TO BE DONE THIS FALL THROUGH.
WELL WITHIN THAT, UM, YOUR THREE PRP AREAS, OUR SCHOOL HAS TO RUN DOUGH RUN AND DONNY BROOK.
UM, FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEAR CYCLE FROM 2026 TO 2030, WE'LL NEED TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER ITEM FOR YOUR POLLUTION REDUCTION PLAN.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER, WE STARTED DOWN THE ROAD OF A MODIFICATION TO A BASIN, THE GSK, THAT MAY BE WHAT WE GO BACK TO IN THE NEXT FIVE YEAR CYCLE OR WE'LL SEE WHAT COMES UP IN OTHER FUTURE LAND DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, THE PERMIT AND RENEWAL DOCUMENT WILL GO TO DEP BY SEPTEMBER 25TH AS PART OF YOUR MS FOUR PERMIT.
THERE ARE SIX ITEMS, UM, MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
THAT'S WHAT IS FOLLOWING, UM, THE NEXT COUPLE PAGES REGARDING THE MS FOUR.
UM, I HANDED THOSE OUT TO YOU LAST TIME.
THIS DOCUMENT WILL TELL YOU WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE AND THEN FOLLOWED IN ITALICS, THE CLOSING PARAGRAPH OF EACH SECTION TELLS YOU WHAT UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP IS DOING TO SATISFY THIS.
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THE MS FOUR, EVEN THOUGH YOU RENEW YOUR PERMIT EVERY FIVE YEARS, YOU DO SUBMIT AN ANNUAL REPORT, WHICH WE PREPARE, UM, PART OF THAT ANNUAL REPORT.WE COORDINATE, UM, CLOSELY WITH TOM BEL AND YOUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
UM, WE NEED TO DOCUMENT THE ITEMS IN ITALICS TELLING YOU HOW YOU'RE SATISFYING THEM.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO DOCUMENT THAT TO DEP EVERY YEAR TO GIVE THEM AN UPDATE, MAKE SURE YOU'RE ON TRACK TO, UM, SATISFY THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
SO SOME OF THOSE ARE, WE GET STREET SWEEPING RECEIPTS FROM TOM BROAD BELT.
THERE'S CLEANUP THAT HE HAS TO DO.
HE TRAINS HIS STAFF ON HOW TO MAINTAIN YOUR VEHICLE SO YOU'RE NOT GETTING OIL ALL OVER THE PLACE.
AND THAT'S ALL INCLUDED IN THE ANNUAL REPORT FOR YOUR MS. FOUR QUESTIONS.
UH, FIRST ONE I HAVE TO, GOING BACK TO, YOU SAID THE GREENWOOD, YOU WERE PARTNERING WITH GREENWOOD? MM-HMM.
COULD YOU TELL BRIEFLY, AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW COMPLICATED, BUT BRIEFLY WHAT THAT ALL, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? SO, IN ORDER TO GET, UM, POLLUTION REDUCTION CREDIT FROM DEP, UM, WE HAVE DONE THEORETICAL CALCULATIONS THAT SAYS HOW MANY POUNDS OF SEDIMENT YOU'RE REDUCING.
UM, IN THAT WATERSHED, YOU'VE TAKEN A DITCH ESSENTIALLY.
AND WE ALL KNOW HOW WHEN, UM, THE WATER FLOWS DOWN AND THINGS FLOOD, IT ESCAPES THE BANKS AND IT SPREADS OVER THE AREA.
SO SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE STREAM BANK RESTORATION DOES IS IT CUTS THOSE BANKS BACK SO THAT YOU ALLOW THE WATER TO GO INTO A VEGETATED AREA.
AND THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE DOING AS PART OF THE STREAM BANK RESTORATION.
THEY'RE GETTING RID OF THE ERODED AREA, THEY'RE PUTTING IN STABILIZED MATTING, THEY'RE PUTTING IN, UM, LIVE STAKES AND TREES, WHICH WILL ESTABLISH OVER TIME, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A NICE REPAIRING AND BUFFER DOWN THERE.
AND IT JUST ALLOWS THE WATER TO GO IN THE NATURAL AREA WITHOUT EROSION BECAUSE THE EROSION IS WHAT IS CAUSING THE SEDIMENT.
AND THE SEDIMENT IS THE IMPAIRMENT TO THE WATERSHED.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO REMOVE THE EROSION FROM THAT AREA, WHICH IS WATCHING THE SEDIMENT DOWN THE STREET BY LEVELING OUT THE AREA, SLOWING DOWN THE FLOW AND REINFORCING THE STREAM BANK WITH BOTH MATTING AND VEGETATION.
AND IN ORDER TO GET CREDIT, THE STREAM BANK RESTORATION HAS TO BE 500 FEET LONG ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.
SO IT'S HAPPENING ON TOWNSHIP.
SO WHAT HAPPENS AFTER 500 FEET? WELL, TWOFOLD.
IF YOU GO LONGER THAN 500 FEET, THEN YOU NEED FEDERAL PERMITS TO DO THAT.
SO WE LIKE TO GO 499, SO WE'RE GETTING STATE PERMITS AND, UM, CREDIT FOR THE POLLUTION REDUCTION.
BUT MY QUESTION I GUESS IS IF, OKAY, YOU FIX THE 500 FEET FOR ALL THAT WATER, STORM WATER, BUT ONCE IT MOVES PAST THAT 500 FEET, DOES THAT THEN DO WHAT YOU'RE TRYING NOT TO DO? YOU ROAD THE BANKS FLOW OVER, DO ALL THE STUFF THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO, UM, IMPROVE? WELL, IT'S GOING TO IMPROVE WHATEVER HAPPENS DOWNSTREAM OF WHERE IT IS BECAUSE WE'VE SLOWED DOWN THE VELOCITY OF FLOW BY ALLOWING IT TO SPREAD OUT.
WHEN YOU SPREAD THE WATER OUT FLAT, IT MEANDERS DOWN VERSUS THROWING IT DOWN A CHUTE, WHICH COMES OUT WITH A FIRE HOSE.
SO IT WILL IMPROVE THE DOWNSTREAM, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO RESOLVE IF THERE'S A CURRENT EROSION.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO DOWN 500 FEET AND THERE'S A SHARP BEND IN THE CREEK THAT'S ALREADY ERODED AND UNDERMINING TREE ROOTS, THAT'S GOING TO STAY THERE.
BUT BY DOING THE STREAM BANK REDUCTION, WE SHOULD NOT BE MAKING THAT SITUATION ANY WORSE.
WE SHOULD ACTUALLY BE IMPROVING IT.
AND WHICH, UH, WHICH, UH, WITH GREEN, WHAT, UH, WHAT YOU SAY THAT WAS THAT THAT SCHOOLHOUSE RUN OVER THERE SCHOOLHOUSE RUN.
HOW WERE THOSE BANKS, UH, INITIALLY, UM, DISTURBED THAT THEY NEEDED RESTORATION? THERE'S GRADING THEN.
SO AS PART OF THE, SO DEP APPROVED THE STREAM BANK RESTORATION PLAN THAT WAS DONE AND THE PERMITS WERE RECEIVED FOR THAT.
SO INSTEAD OF HAVING YOUR SHARP EMBANKMENTS THAT ARE ERODING, THERE'S GRADING AND THERE'S CUTBACK THAT HAPPENS AND THEN THEY, UM, REINFORCE THE EDGE OF THE WATER WITH CORE LOGS THAT GO DOWN THERE.
UM, THEY'RE JUST BUILT LOGS WITH MATERIAL MULCH AND SEED MIXES IS IN THERE SO THAT THEY START SPROUTING.
AND THEN IN THE LEVELED AREAS THAT YOU'VE PUT DOWN, THEY'RE MATTED, UM, WITH THE JUTE MATTING, AND THEN YOU PUT LIVE PLANT STAKES IN THERE.
AND THEIR STAKE, I THINK THEY'RE THREE FEET APART.
THERE'S A LOT OF THEM TEDIOUS WORK TO DO.
BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THIS, THAT, THAT RESTORATION IS BEING DONE, THAT'S THE RESTORATION BECAUSE OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT CUTBACK HAS BEEN DONE.
STORM WATER AND THE DISTURBANCE THAT WAS DONE.
YOU YOU GET THAT DEVELOP BECAUSE THE NEW DEVELOPMENT? YEAH, I MEAN I, YEAH, I
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WAS JUST TRYING TO UN UNDERSTAND WHAT, SO IT WAS FROM DEVELOPMENT THAT CAUSED THE FACT TO HAVE BEEN FILLED IN 30, 40, 60 YEARS AGO, AND NOW YOU'RE TRYING TO BRING IT BACK TO WHAT IT SHOULD, SHOULD BE OR THIS IS A STREAM.IT, IT IS AN UNNAMED TRIBUTARY TO THE SCHOOLHOUSE RUN IS WHERE WE ARE.
AND IT'S BASICALLY A GLORIFIED SWALE THAT AS FLOWS HAVE INCREASED OVER TIME, HAS CAUSED EROSION IN THAT AREA.
SO IT'S CURRENTLY ERODING, THEREFORE IT'S CONTRIBUTING SEDIMENT INTO THAT WATERSHED, WHICH ISN'T GOOD FOR ALL CRITTERS DOWNSTREAM.
SO WE WANNA STABILIZE THAT AREA AND REDUCE THE SEDIMENT LOAD GOING INTO THE WATERSHED.
AND THAT SEDIMENT IS WHAT THE IMPAIRMENT IS FOR SCHOOLHOUSE RUN.
DO YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION? YEAH, NO, I, WELL, WHEN YOU WERE USING THE WORD RESTORATION, I WAS JUST THINKING LIKE BRINGING IT BACK TO WHAT IT MAYBE HAD BEEN YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AGO.
BUT THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT WAS CAUSED BY IT'S POSS I MEAN, IT IS POSSIBLE.
WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO FLATTEN OUT THE AREA AND NOT CREATE, YOU KNOW, VERTICAL ERODED BANKS UNDER TREE ROOTS.
THIS IS JUST MORE, UH, RUNOFF THAN A STREAM THAT HAD BEEN BACKFILLED LIKE, LIKE FARM FIELDS UP IN LANCASTER COUNTY.
YOU KNOW, THEY PUSH THE, THE, THE, UH, THE, THE, OH, YOU KNOW, SO THEY CAN FOR THEIR FARMING BAY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
WE'RE DOING IT IN AN AREA OF TOWNSHIP OWNED PROPERTY THAT HAS NEVER BEEN DISTURBED BEFORE.
SO THAT'S THE STORM WATER SECTION.
SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO CHAPTER 94.
UH, YOU HAVE PUMP STATIONS IN THE TOWNSHIP.
YOU HAVE SECOND A PUMP STATION.
YOU HAVE THE MANGO RUN PUMP STATION.
MORE RECENTLY YOU HAVE THE TINDY RUN PUMP STATION.
AND SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE TAYLOR PARK PUMP STATION.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT RECENTLY WITH THE CLIENT ROAD RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, TAYLOR PARK PUMP STATION IS BEING, IT WILL HAVE THE CAPACITY OF A HUNDRED EDUS.
THOSE ARE EQUIVALENT DWELLING UNIT, SLOW AMOUNTS.
UM, TO START, THERE'S ONLY GOING TO BE 33 HOMES THERE.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE QUITE A BIT OF EXPANSION THAT CAN BE DONE IN THAT AREA.
30 OF THE HOMES ARE GONNA COME OUT OF KLINE ROAD AND THERE'S THREE OTHERS ALONG, UM, WOODFIELD TRACK THAT WILL IMMEDIATELY GO INTO THAT.
UM, SPROUT CIRCLE IS DOWN THERE.
THIS AREA HAS CAPABILITY OF GOING INTO THERE AND THE, UM, CAPACITY EXISTS FOR THAT.
UM, SO THE PUMP STATIONS BEING DESIGNED FOR A HUNDRED EDS.
UM, THERE'S AN WHAT'S, WHERE'S THE PUMP STATION? SAY, SAY IT AGAIN.
YOU MENTIONED AT TINDY PARK, OR I'M SORRY, AT TAYLOR PARK AT ALL, YOU SAID THERE WAS OH, TINDY RUN PUMP STATION THAT'S ON IROQUOIS AND, UM, MINGO ROAD PUMP STATION AND THE SECOND AVENUE PUMP STATION.
SO TOM AND HIS GUYS, THEY MONITOR THEM.
THEY LOOK FOR FLOWS IN THERE IF PUMPS HAVE TO BE REPLACED TO BACK UP PUMPS, UM, MAINTENANCE, THAT ALL GOES INTO THE ANNUAL REPORTING THAT WE PREPARE FOR DEP.
AND YOU SAY TOM, TOM BEL, HE MM-HMM.
HIS GUYS, HIS GUYS WILL PULL PUMPS AND DO THINGS.
IF IT'S ELECTRICAL WORK, THEY SUB OUT FOR THAT.
AND THEN AS PART OF, UM, THE COMP PLAN, THERE'S AN EXHIBIT, UM, THAT'S GREEN AND PURPLE.
SO IF YOU JUST WANNA FLIP TO THAT QUICKLY.
UM, THE GREEN AREA IS WHAT IS CURRENTLY SERVICED BY THE TOWNSHIP.
THE PURPLE IS WHAT IS PLANNED.
UM, AND THE LARGE PURPLE AREA, UM, UP THE TOP OF THE PAGE, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE AREA PLANNED TO GO INTO THE TAYLOR PARK PUMP STATION.
OVER TIME, THOSE ARE THE PROPERTIES ANTICIPATED TO GO THERE.
AND ANYWHERE WHITE WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP, YOU'LL SEE IT'S VERY LIMITED.
UM, THE MIDDLE STRIP IS THE 4 22 CORRIDOR.
SO YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO HAVE TO, UM, PROVIDE SERVICE FOR THAT.
AND THEN THE OTHER WHITE PIECES FALL INTO, UM, THE AREAS FOR THAT.
JEFF TALKS ABOUT THE FIVE KEY AREAS FOR, UM, FUTURE PLANNING, UM, AND LAND USE.
SO YEAH, YOU'RE PRETTY WELL COVERED IN THE TOWNSHIP WITH ALL THAT GRIEF.
AND I HAVE TO SAY, YOU, TOM AND HIS GUIDES DO A FABULOUS JOB, UM, IN INSPECTING AND MAINTAINING IT.
YOU GUYS HAVE ONE OF THE BEST SEWER SYSTEMS IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
HOW MUCH DOES AQUA DO TO THAT WHOLE, THAT, HOW MUCH DO THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THAT WHOLE AQUA AQUA DOESN'T DO ANYTHING? WELL, THEY OWN THE, THEY OWN THE TREATMENT PLANT THOUGH, RIGHT? THE TREATMENT PLANT IS THE, UM, LOWER PERFUME VALLEY
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REGIONAL PLANT DOWN IN OAKS.SO THEY, THEY DO THE TREATMENT PLANT.
TOM AND HIS GUYS, THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PUMP STATION.
THE UPPER PROVIDENCE OWN SYSTEM, JUST THE, UH, WORK.
RIGHT? THAT'S UPPER PROVIDENCE DOWN THERE ON THE, YEAH.
BUT THEY, THE AQUA MANAGED THAT.
THEY DON'T TOUCH ANY OF THE OTHER PUMPING STATIONS OR ANY OF THE OTHER THINGS IN.
THEY DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING THAT UPPER PROVIDENCE OWNS? NO.
AND AQUA DOESN'T OWN LOWER PERILLA AND VALLEY REGIONAL SEWER AUTHORITY? THEY'RE A SEPARATE ENTITY.
SO LIKE WHERE, WHEN YOU HEAR OF AQUA BUYING LIMERICK OR AQUA BUYING DIFFERENT OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER, THE OTHER NEW GUYS THAT ALL SOLD TO AQUA, WE HAVEN'T SOLD ANYTHING.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANY TAX TO AQUA? WE DON'T HAVE OTHER THAN WELL, PA AMERICANS OUR WATER COMPANY, BUT THAT'S A SEPARATE YEAH, COMPLETELY SEPARATE AGENCY WATER.
AND AQUA WATER, RIGHT? YEAH, RIGHT.
AQUA WATER HAS A LITTLE TEENY AREA DOWN BY PHOENIXVILLE.
I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT THEY OWNED BUT NOT STORE.
NO, I THOUGHT I'LL PUT BOTTOM OFF.
WELL, I'LL RUN THROUGH MY SECTION REAL QUICK.
UM, I JUST WANNA REMIND YOU, LIKE IF, IF YOU TURN TO PAGE 13 OF, OF THE, THE PACKET, THE ONE THAT HAS THE 13 ON THE CORNER, UM, THE DEMOGRAPHICS CONCLUSION REALLY STATES THAT AS A TOWNSHIP WE'RE PRETTY STABLE.
WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT OLDER OR YOU KNOW, THE LARGEST POPULATION BLOCK OF BETWEEN 50 AND 60, BUT WE STILL HAVE A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF KIDS THAT ARE IN EIGHTH GRADE OR LOWER.
BUT FROM A COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING STANDPOINT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE POPULATION'S GONNA REMAIN PRETTY STABLE OVER THE NEXT TWO OR THREE CYCLES.
I MEAN, NOT MUCH IS GONNA CHANGE IN THE TOWNSHIP, YES, WE'RE GETTING OLDER, BUT WE'RE ALSO GETTING AN INFLUX OF, OF NEW HOMES AND, AND YOUNGER, YOUNGER, UM, RESIDENTS.
AND THEN IF YOU FLIP TO PAGE, UM, AND GO PAST THE PHONE STUFF, IT'S GOT DIFFERENT PAGE NUMBERS, 'CAUSE DOCUMENTS, USE MY FORMATTING, BUT A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
IF YOU TURN TO PAGE 40, WHERE TO GO, I'M SORRY, PAGE 3, 8, 3, 6.
THE HOUSING PLAN, THE THREE MAIN PARTS THAT I'VE WRITTEN ARE THE DEMOGRAPHICS, THE HOUSING PLAN, AND THEN THE LAND PLAN.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT A STABLE POPULATION, YOU LOOK AT WHAT EFFECT IS THAT GONNA HAVE ON THE HOUSING, THE POPULATION PROJECTION THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE BECAUSE WE'RE STILL GONNA GET MORE PEOPLE COMING IN.
WE, WE MAY HAVE NOT A LOT OF 'EM DEVELOP LAND, BUT PEOPLE ARE STILL GONNA BE MOVING HERE.
AND OUR POPULATION'S STILL GOING TO INCREASE, AT LEAST ACCORDING TO DELAWARE VALLEY REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH IS THE LOCAL, MY LOCAL, I MEAN THE FIVE COUNTIES IN PHILADELPHIA, THAT, AND THE FOUR COUNTIES IN, IN JERSEY AND I THINK NEW CASTLE, DELAWARE, THEY TABULATE ALL SORT OF THE STATISTICS AND TRAFFIC AND POPULATION.
SO THEY SAY YES, WE'RE STILL GONNA GET AN INFLUX OF POPULATION.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE TOWNSHIP HAS LEFT, WE HAVE A SURPLUS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SURPLUS OF AROUND 38 HOMES.
YOU KNOW, THAT THAT NUMBER'S KIND OF NEGLIGIBLE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE 10,000 SOME HOMES WE HAVE.
BUT GENERALLY WHAT THAT SPEAKS TO IS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT CAN COME INTO THE TOWNSHIP AND, AND THE WAY ITS ZONE CAN ADEQUATELY ADAPT TO THE POPULATION COMING INTO THE TOWNSHIP.
NOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE HOUSING PLAN, YOU ALSO HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT PARK HOUSE WAS NOT USED IN ANY OF THESE CALCULATIONS.
'CAUSE UP UNTIL TWO MONTHS AGO, WE HAD NO, AND WE STILL TECHNICALLY DON'T HAVE A CONCLUSION ON PARK HOUSE.
THEY HAVE THE RIGHTS TO ZONING THAT'S GONNA LIMIT THEM.
AND THEY HAVE A DEED RESTRICTION, WHICH WE SENT OUT AS PART OF THE APPLICATION FOR 585 UNITS.
SO IF YOU ADD THAT 585 TO THE, TO THE, TO THE 38 UNITS THAT WE NEEDED, WE OBVIOUSLY WELL NEED OUR HOUSING NEED OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
UM, WHAT YOU'VE ALSO TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WITH THE HOUSING PLAN IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT I'VE ADDED IN TERMS OF THE STATE OF THE CURRENT HOUSING MARKET DATA AND THE PERCENTAGE OF HOUSING TYPES, THE COST OF HOUSING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO LOOK AS AN ACTION ITEM.
HOW CAN WE LOOK AT KEEPING HOME PRICES AFFORDABLE IN THE TOWNSHIP? AND I DON'T MEAN LITTLE A AFFORD BIG A AFFORDABLE, WHERE WE'RE IN A GOVERNMENT PROGRAM AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TABULATE PEOPLE'S SALARY AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT HOUSING SO THAT PEOPLE CAN MOVE IN, IN A BROAD CROSS SECTION OF AGE GROUPS.
SO YOU CAN MOVE IN, IN YOUR TWENTIES, YOU CAN MOVE IN IN YOUR THIRTIES, YOU CAN MOVE IN IN YOUR FORTIES.
YOU CAN BUY A STARTER HOME AND YOU CAN BUY THE MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE THAT AJ LIVES IN.
UM, BUT THAT'S THE IDEA FOR, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSING PLAN.
WE NEED TO, ANOTHER CONCLUSION ON THIS.
WE NEED TO PROVIDE A BROAD CROSS SECTION OF HOUSING TYPES AND HOUSING AFFORDABILITY
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FOR THOSE HOUSES THAT WE DO END UP BUILDING.AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LAND USE PLAN, YOU KNOW, WE SEE WHAT'S AVAILABLE, WHAT WE HAVE LEFT TO BUILD.
WE'VE HAD THE CONVERSATION HERE, WE'VE HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH THE SUPERVISORS.
AND INSTEAD OF HAVING A LIST OF GOALS AND A LIST OF OBJECTIVES, THIS PLAN REALLY BOILED DOWN TO ONE GOAL.
PRESERVE THOSE UNDEVELOPED AREAS AND CHANNEL REDEVELOPMENT OF THOSE AREAS THAT INFRASTRUCTURE EXISTS.
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE, AND THESE ARE THE SIX AREAS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, I'M SORRY, EIGHT AREAS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, LISTED ON PAGE 42 OF WHAT WE, HOW WE APPROACH EACH OF THESE, THESE AREAS.
AND AS AN OUTGROWTH OF EACH OF THESE AREAS.
LIKE LOOK AT THE ONE THAT SAYS RIDGE PIKE CORRIDOR.
IT, YOU KNOW, UM, REZONING FROM NEIGHBORHOOD CONVENIENCE, COMMERCIAL IS RECOMMENDED WITH A NEW ZONING THAT CREATES A FLEXIBILITY OF USES WITH POTENTIAL RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE WITH RESIDENTIAL BEING CLOSER TO EXISTING RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL NEAR COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT HERE.
BUT THAT'S OUR ACTION ITEM FOR THIS.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT SECOND AVENUE, THERE'S AN ACTION ITEM FOR IT.
AND YOU LOOK AT ROUTE 29, THERE'S ACTION ITEMS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT.
WE STILL KIND OF HAVE TO GET INTO THE WEEDS A LITTLE BIT WITH THE OAKS INTERCHANGE AND EGYPT LONGFORD GROWTH TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THOSE ACTION ITEMS REALLY ARE.
OR IF WE JUST WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AS THEY ARE.
I THINK THAT'S A DISCUSSION WE CAN HAVE AT A FUTURE TIME.
BUT THAT'S GENERALLY WHERE THE PLAN HAS GONE.
AND HOPEFULLY YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS APPROACH TO IT.
I MEAN, YOU CAN LOOK AT PLANS AND THEY HAVE 25 DIFFERENT GOALS AND I, I JUST THINK THAT'S A SCATTERSHOT APPROACH.
I THINK THIS PLAN WITH THE WAY I'VE DIRECTED THE OTHER CONSULTANTS TO SORT OF LOOK AT IT IS BOIL IT DOWN TO THE ESSENTIAL ELEMENTS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO WORK ON FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
'CAUSE WE'RE THERE, I MEAN, REALLY WE'RE GONNA LIVE OR DIE OFF OF THIS ONE GOAL.
IF WE PRESERVE, IF WE CAN'T PRESERVE THIS, THE EXISTING AREAS, WE'RE GONNA BE OVERRUN WITH HOUSES THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED.
BUT WE HAVE AREAS WHERE WE CAN PUT THOSE HOUSES, THE AREAS THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE EXISTS, WHETHER THAT'S THE INTRODUCTION THAT WE GOT A COUPLE MONTHS AGO FROM 1000 CAMPUS DRIVE, OR THE APPLICATION WE JUST RECEIVED FOR, FOR QUEST, FOR, FOR WHITAKER, THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE THERE'S EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO PUT THE HOUSES.
AND THAT'S THE GOAL OF OUR PLAN.
YOU COVERED, BUT THINGS YOU WERE MENTIONING, AFFORDABILITY, IS THAT EVEN ON THE AGENDA OR ARE YOU LOOKING AT ANY OF THAT? IF EVERYTHING I'M SEEING IS 500,000 AND UP AND THAT'S NOT AFFORDABLE FOR MANY PEOPLE, NOT I AGREE.
I MEAN, YOU CAN MAKE THE CASE FOR ANYTHING.
I'M NOT MAKING THE, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS TOWNSHIP SHOULD GET INTO THE, TO THE BUSINESS OF BEING A GOVERNMENT THAT PROVIDES HOUSING.
WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE A HOUSING AUTHORITY.
WE CAN'T HAVE A HOUSING AUTHORITY.
I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE LEGALITY BEHIND ANY OF THAT OR HOW WE WOULD EVEN GO ABOUT DOING THAT.
I MEAN, THAT'S A HUGE FUND THAT YOU WOULD'VE TO PUT TOGETHER.
I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM HOW CAN WE ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT TO BE MORE LITTLE A AFFORDABLE IN TERMS OF LENNAR, WHEN THEY CAME IN, THEY SAID, LOOK, WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE IT BETWEEN 300 AND 400 AND YOU CAN MAKE THE CASES.
IS THAT REALLY AFFORDABLE FOR SOME PEOPLE? NO, IT'S NOT.
BUT I CAN'T GIVE HOUSING AWAY.
AND I CAN'T GIVE AWAY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT.
I CAN'T GIVE AWAY THESE THINGS.
NOBODY UP HERE CAN, ONE OF YOUR GOALS IS TO HAVE ENTRY LEVEL HOUSING.
IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT'S EVEN BE EVALUATED IN ANY WAY.
IT'S JUST YOUR DEFINITION OF ENTRY LEVEL HOUSING, IN MY DEFINITION OF ENTRY LEVEL HOUSING.
I THINK THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
SOMEBODY IN YOUR SAID SOMEBODY IN THEIR TWENTIES OR THIRTIES, THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT.
WELL, BY, BY ALLOWING DENSER DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S MAKING IT MORE AFFORDABLE.
I LIVE, BUT IT'S AFFORDABLE BASED ON THE MARKET OF HOW MANY PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN.
IT'S, I LIVE IN, IN A HIGH DENSITY HOUSING.
SO, AND PEOPLE THERE ARE GETTING THE STRUGGLE WITH AFFORDABILITY.
BUT I THINK, I THINK JEFF MAKES THE POINT.
THE QUESTION IS, IS WHAT YOUR DEFINITION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS.
WELL, THAT'S WELL, AND, AND, AND IN THIS TIME SHIFT, IT'S NOT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
I MEAN, I AGREE IT'S NOT GONNA WORK HERE AFFORD.
WELL, AND THAT'S THE METHOD THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING, YOU ALSO HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT IT IS NOT THE TOWNSHIP'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY PERSON THAT WANTS TO BUY A BRAND NEW HOUSE CAN'T AFFORD THAT HOUSE.
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS IN THE ROYERSFORD SIDE AND THE OAK SIDE, THAT THEY'RE SMALLER HOUSES, THEY'RE LESS EXPENSIVE.
THEY'RE 200 TO $300,000 THAT ARE MORE AFFORDABLE.
NOW, I MEAN, I, I LOOK AT ZILLOW ALL THE TIME AND I SEE THAT THEY'RE, UM, EXCUSE ME, MY COMPUTER'S ABOUT TO DIE ON ME.
UM, AND I'M AMAZED AT THE HOUSE PRICES, BUT I CAN'T CONTROL WHAT THE MARKET DOES OR THAT INTEREST RATES ARE 7%
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OR THAT ANY OF IT, THAT, THAT THERE'S, THERE'S THINGS WE CAN CONTROL.ALL WE CAN DO IS OFFER THE BEST OPTIONS AVAILABLE FOR DENSITY, LIKE YOU TALKED ABOUT.
YOU KNOW, OR PUTTING THOSE THINGS WHERE THE ASSOCIATED COST WITH DEVELOPMENT IN TERMS OF IMPROVING INFRASTRUCTURE ADDS THE COST OF THE HOUSE.
THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T DO THE COST OF INFRASTRUCTURE FOR FREE.
THE DEVELOPMENT, THE DEVELOPERS SET THE MARKET, RIGHT? I MEAN, SOMEBODY'S NOT GONNA COME IN HERE AND BUILD A PLAN OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS HOUSES.
THEY PROBABLY CAN'T AFFORD IT.
THE LAND THAT THE DEVELOPMENT COSTS KEEP, THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT PARKHOUSE AND THEY, YOU KNOW, AT THEIR LAST MEETING THEY CAME IN AND SAID THAT THE TOWN HOMES WERE I 600 OR $700,000, A GOOD PERCENTAGE OF THAT MONEY THAT'S GOING TO THE COST OF THAT HOUSE IS THE AMOUNT OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THEY HAVE TO PUT IN.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT LENAR AND THEIR 126 TOWNHOUSES ON 1000 CAMPUS DRIVE, IF THAT'S TO MOVE FORWARD, THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE COST IS MINIMAL.
I MEAN, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GONNA ASK THEM TO DO SOME MORE THINGS.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO WIDEN ANY ROADS.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO IMPROVE ANY INTERSECTIONS.
I MEAN, MAYBE THEY COULD CHANGE SOME PAINTING.
MOST OF IT'S THERE, YOU KNOW, BUT MOST OF IT'S THERE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO USE AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO LEVERAGE AS A TOWNSHIP TO SAY, HEY, LOOK, WE'LL LET YOU GO IN THERE, BUT WE WANT THE HOUSING PRICE.
WE DON'T WANT YOU TO PUT UP THE 300, THE 500 TO $800,000 TOWNHOUSES.
WE WANT THEM TO BE AT THE LOW END OF IT, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE EXPRESSED TO LENAR.
WHY? BECAUSE WE NEED, IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, WE NEED TO HAVE A CROSS SECTION OF HOUSING THAT IS THE LOWER END AND THE HIGHER END THAT TO, TO KEEP THIS TOWNSHIP VIBRANT, TO KEEP THIS TOWNSHIP VIABLE THE WAY IT IS IN TERMS OF A TAX BASE AND IN TERMS OF WORKERS AND IN TERMS OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE.
YOU NEED TO HAVE A YOUNGER GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT ARE MOVING INTO CHARTERER HOMES AND THEN MOVING INTO THE HOMES WHEN WE ALL RETIRE AND MOVE DOWN TO OCEAN CITY.
THAT, THAT WHEN WE ALL SELL OUR HOUSES, OUR LARGE HOUSES, SOMEONE MOVES INTO THEM.
AND THAT'S IF OUR HOUSES ARE GOING FOR SEVEN AND $800,000, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE MARKET FOR MOST SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOUSES IN THIS TOWNSHIP.
NOW THAT'S NOT A STARTER OWNER.
BUT IF SOMEONE CAN COME IN AND BUY A HOUSE, BUY A TOWNHOUSE FOR THREE OR FOUR YEARS, AND THIS IS, IF YOU LOOK, THIS IS THE WAY THE TOWNSHIP HAS BEEN HUNT CLUB, UM, PER KEMAN WOODS, THOSE HAVE ALL STARTED OUT EXACTLY THE SAME WAY.
THEY WERE HOMES FOR PEOPLE THAT BOUGHT YOUNGER AND THEY STAYED IN THIS TOWNSHIP WHEN THEY COULD MOVE INTO A BIGGER HOUSE.
WHEN THEIR FAMILY GOT TOO BIG FOR THOSE, THEY MOVED INTO A BIGGER HOUSE.
I WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY OF MY FRIENDS IN THIS TOWNSHIP THROUGH BASEBALL AND EVERYTHING ELSE, HAS STARTED OUT AS A, IN A TOWNHOUSE AND MOVED INTO A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOUSE IN THE SAME TOWNSHIP.
BECAUSE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS GOOD AND BECAUSE THERE'S THE AVAILABILITY OF THAT HOUSING.
MY CONTENTION HERE IS THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE THAT AND WE NEED TO UPDATE THOSE THINGS.
HUNT CLUB IS THE NINETIES, PERMAN WOODS RANGES FROM THE SEVENTIES TO THE, TO THE TWO THOUSANDS REBOS SEVENTIES, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE ONES OVER BIKE WHERE I LIVE.
REBO, PERKY ARE PROVIDENCE, PROVIDENCE FORD.
AND, AND ORCHARD COURT ALL 1970S.
I MEAN, FORD'S EDGE, FORD'S EDGE IS EARLY 1970.
I MEAN, THESE ARE ALL TOWNHOUSES THAT STARTED OUT THAT WAY FOR OPENING PRICE POINT HOUSES.
THAT'S WHAT WE DON'T OFFER ANYMORE.
EVERYTHING COMES IN AT WB AND TOLL BROTHERS.
THEY STARTED A MILLION DOLLARS AND THAT'S GREAT.
BUT WE, WE NEED, THAT'S MY CONTENTION IS WE NEED TO HAVE THAT CROSS SECTION HOUSING.
BUT I THINK WE ALREADY IT, I MEAN, YOU JUST MEANT JUST WHAT I SURE.
PLEASE, UH, BOB, TURN ON YOUR MIC.
UM, WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY ALMOST 600 TOWN HOMES, I GUESS, UP WHERE WE LIVE.
THERE'S A BIG CHUNK AND THEY COULD RANGE ANYWHERE FROM TWO 50 TO THREE 50, SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE.
UM, THE TWO 50, UM, THAT REQUIRE A LOT OF WORK.
IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL, THAT IS STILL DETERMINED BY YOUR, BY YOUR DEFINITION, SOMEBODY STILL, 2 50, 3 50 CAN SAY, I CAN'T AFFORD THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO YOU, YOU CAN'T, I'M, MY IMPRESSION IS YOU CAN'T SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS BY, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BUILD DEVELOPMENTS THAT MEET EVERY FINANCIAL PERSON'S NEEDS.
I I'M NOT HERE TO SAY THAT WE DON'T WANT THE TOLL BROTHERS AND THE WB HOMES MILLION DOLLAR HOMES TO COME IN.
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WHERE THERE'S THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND WHERE WE CAN HOPE TO GET SOME SORT OF FINANCIAL FLEXIBILITY TO HAVE SOME NEWER DEVELOPMENTS.INSTEAD OF EVERYTHING THAT WAS BUILT BETWEEN 1970 AND 1990, WHICH IS WHERE MOST OF THE TOWN HOMES WERE BUILT AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, HAVING THOSE, HAVING NEWER UNITS FROM THAT ATTRACTS NEW PEOPLE, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO GET ANYWAY.
WE'RE GOING TO GET THE NEW PEOPLE.
THE QUESTION IS, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO? TOLL BROTHERS COULD WALK OVER TO MRS. SHEETS OVER, BEHIND BILL'S HOUSE AND SAY, WE'RE GONNA OFFER YOU $5 MILLION FOR YOUR PROPERTY AND BUILD 60 NEW HOMES, STARTER HOMES, 60 NEW HOUSES PROBABLY WITHIN, AND NO PROCESS CAN BE LIKE NINE MONTHS AND TAKE NINE MONTHS.
AND THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE ZONING IS.
BUT IF WE CAN GO TO MR. SHEETS AND SAY, LOOK, WE'RE LEVERAGING YOUR PROPERTY AND KEEPING YOUR PROPERTY AS OPEN, AND WE'RE PUTTING THE DEVELOPMENT OVER HERE, AND THIS IS WHERE THE DEMAND IS GONNA GO OVER, OFF THE CAMPUS DRIVE, THAT BENEFITS US.
'CAUSE WE CAN, WE CAN PRESERVE OPEN SPACE.
HOW DOES THAT STOP TO BROTHERS FROM SAYING, NO, I WANT THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE I CAN BUILD 60 HOMES.
WELL, WE, WE HOPE TO GET TO HER BEFORE, AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT, PART OF WHAT THIS PROCESS IS.
WE START TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH HER, WITH LANDOWNERS LIKE THE WALKER TRACK OVER HERE.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT DURING THIS PROCESS.
WE'RE ENGAGING WITH MR. WALKER BECAUSE THEY DO WANT TO MOVE THAT FORWARD.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO DO THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW, PRESERVE THOSE UNDEVELOPED AREAS.
DO WE HAVE THE MEANS TO COMPETE WITH A WB OR, UH,
BUT WHAT YOU HAVE TO HOPE TO IS APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE A LOT OF THEIR LAND FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND WANT TO, WE WANT TO GIVE THEM SOME OPTIONS.
IT'S GOOD FOR THE ORIGINAL PROPERTY OWNER, BUT WHEN THE, YOU KNOW, THAT PERSON PASSES AND THEN GRANDKIDS IN THERE, THEY WANT THEIR MONEY.
AND I CAN'T FAULT THEM FOR THAT.
I I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S JUST REALITY.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
BUT IF, IF, IF, IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN CHANNEL THE DEMAND, IF WE CAN CHANNEL THE DEVELOPMENT INTO AREAS AND KEEP SOME PROPERTIES OPEN, WHETHER THAT'S JUST THROUGH OUR WEB, BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY COMES IN, THEY DON'T ASK FOR SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES ANYMORE.
EVERYBODY'S ASKING FOR DENSITY.
SO IF THEY'RE COMING IN AND ASKING FOR DENSITY ON A PIECE, ON BILL'S PIECE, LET'S SAY, LET'S JUST USE THEM AS AN EXAMPLE.
YOU'RE NOT BIG ENOUGH TO REALLY PUT MORE DENSITY ON, BUT YOU GET THE IDEA.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I'M ADVOCATING FOR THAT SOUTHERN PORTION OF PARK HOUSE TO BE PRESERVED.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA TRY TO PRESERVE MORE LAND NORTH OF, WE KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW, WE KNOW YOU, YOU MADE YOUR PUSH.
THE PRESERVATION OF THAT LAND IS A GREAT IDEA.
I'M JUST WONDERING HOW REALISTIC IT IS IF WE'RE COMPETING, IF TOLL BROTHERS WANTS THAT PROPERTY, I THINK THEY GOT DEEPER POCKETS AND YOU KNOW, DO THAT.
BUT, BUT CAN WE PUT SOME BARRIERS IN PLACE? CAN WE PUT SOME OTHER THINGS IN PLACE THAT HELP US FROM A TOWNSHIP AT LEAST REALIZE SOME OF THAT GOAL? WE ABSOLUTELY CAN.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE POINT OF THAT'S A GOOD SECTION.
I I WOULD BECAUSE THAT WAS DONE.
EXCUSE THAT WASN'T DONE FROM PS.
I WOULD JUST ADD THAT DIVERSIFICATION THAT SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE WE HAVE VARYING DEGREES INTO THE FUTURE ALSO IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT WHEN THE TRENDS STARTS SHIFTING SIGNIFICANTLY.
SO NO OFFENSE TO ANYONE IN THE ROOM, BUT, UM, MY ENTIRE LIFE I'VE BEEN WATCHING THE BABY BOOM CONSTRICTION OF SOCIETY AND EVENTUALLY THAT'S GONNA CHANGE.
UM, AND YOU, YOU CAN SEE NOW YOUNG ADULTS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN HAVING LARGE FAMILIES.
SO I THINK THE MODEL IS GONNA SHIFT.
AND IF WE AS A TOWNSHIP CONTINUE TO LINK ON TO THE OLD VIEW OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA BUILD AND CONTINUE ON THE TOWNSHIP, WE'RE GONNA BE PLAYING PICKUP GAME.
UM, AND I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THE PLAN AT LEAST THINKS ABOUT THAT AND EMPOWERS AND LEVERAGES THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN THE FUTURE WHEN THEY'RE ADDRESSING THESE.
BECAUSE THE NATURAL TRENDS ARE THE, THE NATIONAL LEVEL, YOU KNOW, PREDICTIONS OR WHATEVER.
BUT SOCIETY, EVENTUALLY THE CHANGE OF SOCIETY WILL, WILL CHANGE THAT.
AND THEN THE TOWNSHIP'S GONNA BE THINKING, OH, WHY DIDN'T WE SEE THIS COMING? 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THE HOUSES ARE MOVING, EVERY HOUSE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS SOLD THE SAME DAY LISTED.
UM, BUT MULTIFAMILIES ARE COMING.
THERE'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT
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AND WE'RE ALSO GETTING A LOT, AND WE'LL ADDRESS THIS IN THE PLAN, WE'RE, I PROBABLY GET THREE PHONE CALLS A WEEK OF SAYING, HEY, I WANT TO BUILD AN IN-LAW SUITE.HOW DO I BUILD THAT? HOW DO I, WHERE CAN I PUT MY, MY IN-LAWS IN MY, ON MY PROPERTY? BECAUSE I REALLY THINK THAT'S THE TREND NOW IS TO MOVE PEOPLE IN AND MULTIPLE FAMILIES INTO ONE PROPERTY.
AND, AND WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT.
AND MAYBE THAT'S NOT A TOWN HOME ISSUE, BUT MAYBE THERE'S PEOPLE WHO WANT LIVE CLOSE TO THEIR GRANDKIDS, BUT DON'T WANNA LIVE THAT CLOSE.
OR MAYBE WHEN WE RETIRE, WHEN SOMEONE RETIRES, THEY GIVE THEIR HOUSE THEIR KIDS WHO CAN'T AFFORD THE, THE 800,000 HOUSE, THEY TURN AROUND AND THEY SELL IT TO THEM FOR A DOLLAR AND THEY BUY THE TOWNHOUSE.
I MEAN, THAT'S THERE, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT OPTIONS WITH THIS AND, AND THINGS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN AJ'S SON HAS DONE AN ITHACA ACTOR GLORIOUS SWIMMING CAREER, HE, YOU KNOW, HE COMES BACK AND HE WANTS TO BUY A HOUSE.
HE'S NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO BUY HERE, BUT MAYBE WE CAN GET HIM A TOWNHOUSE.
WELL, I KNOW HE'S GONNA JUST WANNA STAY IN THE DORM THE REST OF HIS LIFE,
I MEAN, EVEN, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD PEOPLE SAY, I MY KIDS ARE BACK IN THE HOUSE, WHERE CAN I GET THEM TO MOVE IT
SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE, THE, THAT'S WHEN I SAY CROSS HOUSING, THAT'S WHAT I IMPLY AS WE TALK ABOUT NEXT WITH THE FUTURE AGENDA DISCUSSION.
I MEAN, THERE IS GOING TO BE BIG, A AFFORDABLE HOUSING DISCUSSION IN THIS TOWNSHIP STARTING WITH BREWERS FOR, BUT THAT'S NOT THE ONLY TIME IT'S GONNA COME UP.
IT'S GONNA COME UP MORE OFTEN AND IT'S GONNA COME UP AGAIN.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE, I'VE NEVER, I HAVEN'T BEEN APPROACHED BY ANYBODY, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S GONNA START HAPPENING AS, AS THINGS MOVE AWAY FROM THOSE AFFORDABLE, THOSE BIG A AFFORDABLE CENTERS OF NORRISTOWN AND POTSTOWN THAT THEY LOOK TO MOVE OUT TO DEVELOPED AREAS LIKE ISH FORD OR, YOU KNOW, OTHER PLACES LIKE THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT NEED THAT TYPE OF HOUSING.
WE'RE GONNA GET IMPACT AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE KNOCKING ON OUR DOOR ASKING WHAT WE CAN DO AND THE LOW INCOME HOUSING THAT IS ON OUR AGENDA POSSIBLY COMING UP.
IT COULD BE, UM, ALL CHURCHES THAT HAVE ECONOMIC ISSUES, WELL MIGHT BE LOOKING INTO THAT.
SO IT COULD, IT COULD, LET, LET ME BACKTRACK.
THEY'RE NOT THE FIRST CHURCH THAT ASKED ME.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER, ANOTHER CHURCH HAS ASKED ME AND I, THEIR PLAN WAS SHAKING AND BIZARRE AT BEST.
BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT THEY'RE STILL BEING APPROACHED ABOUT THAT.
SO, SO IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, I THINK WHERE THE DIRECTION OF THE LAND USE PLAN IS GOING AND WE'LL PUT TOGETHER FLESH OUT THOSE LAST FEW THINGS, WE WILL PUT TOGETHER SOME ACTION ITEMS. WE'LL SORT OF HAVE THOSE FROM THE NEXT MEETING.
WE'LL SEE HOW IT WORKS FOR BAPTIST DOES AT THE NEXT MEETING AND HOW LONG THAT TAKES.
AND IF WE HAVE TIME FOR THE COMP PLAN, WE'LL TALK COMP PLAN.
IF NOT, WE CAN KICK IT TO THE, TO THE FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER.
WHAT'S THE ROLE OF THIS BOARD? I MEAN, OTHER THAN TO LOOK AT IT AND APPROVE IT AT THE END, BUT WHAT YOU GUYS ALL DO IN ALL THIS WORK.
WHAT, WHAT'S OUR ROLE IN THIS THING? YOUR ROLE REALLY TO GUIDE US AND, AND TELL US WHAT PRIORITIES DO YOU HAVE? WE'RE LIKE ANTHONY'S LIST, THERE'S NO PRIORITY FOR THAT LIST RIGHT NOW, BUT YOUR ROLE IS GONNA BE TO GET THAT PRIORITY AND THEN HOLD US TO TASK TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MOVING THOSE THINGS ALONG.
LIKE SAY, HEY JEFF, WE ONLY HAVE ONE THING ON THIS AGENDA.
WHY, WHY AREN'T YOU WRITING? ARE YOU WORKING ON THE ZONING FOR THE CRSC ADVISING THAT ZONING? ARE YOU, ARE YOU WORKING ON THIS? ARE YOU WORKING ON THAT? WHERE ARE YOU WITH PRESERVING SOME PROPERTIES? OKAY.
SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT, A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE? UM, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT
[DISCUSSION: FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]
THE NEXT MEETING AND AGENDA? YEAH.OR SOMEBODY THAT MIGHT BE ON IT OR, WELL, YEAH, AS I, AS IT'S NOTED ON HERE ON THE, ON THE CURRENT AGENDA, THE
WE'LL LET THEM INTRODUCE THEMSELVES.
WE'LL LET THE COMMUNITY SPEAK AND WE'LL ASK ANY QUESTIONS WE MAY HAVE.
NOW, DID THEY GIVE ANY INDICATION WHY THEY HAVE NOT BEEN CANCELED TWICE? IS THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT READY? THEY CANCELED ONCE I, I THINK I SORT OF PUSHED THEM BACK ON SOME AGENDAS BECAUSE I GOT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BACKED UP ON EVERYTHING ELSE.
UM, NO, THEY HAVEN'T GIVEN ME AN ANSWER AND I HAVEN'T ASKED THEM WHY.
AND I, I'M ASSUMING THEY'LL SAY WHEN THEY'RE HERE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WAS UNFORTUNATE.
BUT I, I THINK THEY BASICALLY GOT CAUGHT UP IN THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WERE ON THEIR WEBSITE IS MY GUESS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA SPECULATE.
WELL, THEY'RE ALSO DEALING WITH THEIR OWN FINANCING ISSUES, I'M SURE.
YOU DON'T KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO GET IT.
SO THEY'RE MAKING ALL THESE PLANS, BUT THEY MAY NOT GET WHAT THEY NEED.
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THE, UH, ONE 40 WHITAKER REDEVELOPMENT? JEFF? UH, ONE 40 WHITAKER, THAT IS THE MONTCLAIR SCHOOL.THAT PROPERTY THAT PUT ON IT IS NOW THE MONTCLAIR SCHOOL'S AN OFFICE.
IT'S ZONED PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS OFFICE.
THE SAME AS, UM, LEWIS ROAD TOWN HOMES AND EVERYTHING ALONG LEWIS ROAD THERE.
THEY, UM, PUT IN A, A PROPOSAL FOR 60 TOWNHOUSES.
I THINK IT'S THE SAME COMPANY THAT'S DOING THE QUEST PROPERTY.
SO THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, PURCHASED THE RIGHTS TO THE PROPERTY AT THIS POINT, AND THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
IT'S A TENTATIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT AND THE STREET IS JUST THE NEXT STEP IN THAT.
IT IS THEIR REVISION OF THEIR PLAN.
THEY'VE, THEY'VE FINALLY COME BACK WITH SOME REVISIONS IN THEIR PLAN.
THEY'RE STILL AT THE TENTATIVE SKETCH LEVEL.
SO, AND THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SUPERVISOR PROCESS, RIGHT? WELL, YOU ARE FIRST AND THEN THE SUPERVISORS, IF YOU, YOU GIVE A RECOMMENDATION, THE SUPERVISORS WILL ACT, BUT, BUT BASED ON THEIR CHANGES OF THEIR ORIGINAL PLAN, YES, THEY DO THEIR ZONING APPROVAL FOR BUILDING THE STEEP SLOPES.
I'LL PUT TOGETHER, LIKE I DID FOR THE LOVER'S LANE PIECE, I'LL PUT TOGETHER A SUMMARY AND A MEMO WITH THAT, EXPLAINING WHAT APPROVALS THEY HAVE ON THE ZONING HEARING BOARD.
THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN LOVER'S LANE, RIGHT? THAT'S THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. YEAH.
AND THE 7 81 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD, THAT'S THE NINE LOT.
I'M SORRY, SEVEN LOT SUBDIVISION.
IT'S A LONG, SKINNY PIECE BETWEEN PERSIMMON AND COLLEGEVILLE, OR, I'M SORRY, TRAP ROAD THAT BASICALLY A CUL-DE-SAC COMING IN OFF OF, OFF OF PERSSON FOR SIX NEW HOUSES IN ONE EXISTING.
AND THEN ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT LCAP.
THAT PROCESS IS MOVING FORWARD.
THE LOCAL CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR WHO OUR ASSIGNED STUDENT IS.
UM, AND, UM, I, I THINK DEPENDING ON WHAT WE THINK IN TERMS OF TIMEFRAME, WE MIGHT DO THE HOA MEETING THAT NIGHT.
IF WE CAN'T, IF WE DON'T THINK WE CAN SQUEEZE THAT IN, I'LL BE COORDINATING WITH BILL PROBABLY TOWARDS THE END OF AUGUST IN THERE IF WE CAN, IF WE THINK WE CAN, IF WE THINK WE CAN GET THAT IN.
IF NOT, MAYBE WE'LL MOVE IT TO OCTOBER AND THEN, YOU KNOW, REARRANGE THE MEETING IN OCTOBER, NOVEMBER.
WHAT ABOUT THE, UH, SINCE I WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND THE LAST MEETING, WHAT WAS THE, UH, OUTCOME OF THE, UH, PLASTIC VAN? I THINK WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH 'EM, BUT I THINK THAT NO OFFICIAL ACTION WAS TAKEN BY THE A A C, SO WE STILL HAVE TO DO THAT.
GOT MOST OF THE MEETING TALKING TO THE, UH,
YEAH, ABOUT THE LOCAL CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
SO WE REALLY
THEY, THEY WILL HAVE, THEY WILL ASSIGN US A STUDENT FOR THAT.
THERE'S NOT A SPECIFIC DATE, BUT WE'LL KNOW.
THANK YOU AJ FOR YOUR, UH, FOR YOUR SERVICE THE LAST YEAR OR MORE? TWO YEARS.
ARE YOU HERE NEXT AT THE NEXT MEETING? I'M DONE, NO.
WE FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THE TOWNSHIP.
I WOULD LOVE TO STAY, BUT NEW JOB.
MUCH SHORTER COMMUTE, BUT, UM, LOT MORE ON MY PLATE.
UM, BUT I'VE LEARNED SO MUCH MORE THAN I WOULD'VE EVER EXPECTED.
SO THANK YOU FOR WELL, THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT AND YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, HELPING US AND IT WAS, UH, WELL, WELL NEEDED AND WELL ACCEPTED.
AND, UH, WITH THAT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
I'LL LET YOU DO IT SO YOU'RE IN THERE FOR THE LAST TIME.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.