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I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS A MEETING TO ORDER OF THE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION.IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, ON NON AGENDA ITEMS THIS EVENING? PUT THIS ON.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? IS THERE ANY, UM, COMMENTS THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA? A ACTUALLY, PAPA, I'M SORRY.
IT IS, IT WASN'T ON THE AGENDA,
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BUT IF WE DO HAVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA OH, OKAY.TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
UM, WOULD ANYONE CARE TO MAKE A MOTION ON APPROVE AGENDA? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
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PLAN SHOWS AS THE ONE OF THE FIRST ITEMS. DO YOU WANNA SAY THAT TO THE END OR NO? IT IS A, IT IS A BRIEF TRUE COMMENTARY ON IT.UM, WE DO HAVE, UM, WE ARE LOOKING TO HOPEFULLY SORT OF GET IT QUEUED UP TO BE APPROVED IN SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER IN THE CYCLE FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THIS BOARD IS, AND FOR MYSELF AND FOR CASEY AND FOR JENICE TO GET THE DOCUMENTS SORT OF TOGETHER FOR YOU BY THE APRIL 7TH MEETING.
WE'RE, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS AUGUST.
UM, AND I MEAN, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE, THE FUTURE AGENDA DISCUSSION AT THE END, BUT WE'RE GONNA, I'M GONNA FOCUS THE MEETING JUST ON THE SEVENTH, JUST ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO JUST TALK ABOUT THAT, TALK ABOUT THE STRUCTURE OF THE DOCUMENT, THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE DOCUMENT, SOME ACTION ITEMS, THINGS LIKE THAT, TO SORT OF GET THE WHOLE THING MOVING FORWARD, GET SOME FINAL COMMENTS FROM YOU AT THAT.
I'M GONNA HOPEFULLY GET IT TO YOU A WEEK IN ADVANCE SO YOU HAVE TIME TO SORT OF PAW THROUGH IT.
AND THEN ON THE MEETING, THE SECOND MEETING IN AUGUST, HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET A MOTION TO MOVE THAT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR THEIR APPROVAL OR FOR THEIR REVIEW.
AND IF THERE'S A MOTION TO, FOR APPROVAL OR A MOTION FOR WHATEVER WE CAN, WE CAN TACKLE THAT AT THE TIME.
BUT THAT'S THE PLAN MOVING FORWARD, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS VACATION SCHEDULED IN AUG IN AUGUST.
UM, SO AS LONG AS WE CAN STILL HAVE A FORM, I THINK WE'LL BE OKAY.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF NIKKI, IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS, YOU CAN CERTAINLY SEND 'EM OVER EMAIL.
YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TWO MEETINGS AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING BOTH MEETINGS SORT OF ABOUT THAT.
ANY QUESTIONS IN REFERENCE TO THAT? ALRIGHT, WE'LL
[APPLICATIONS TO BE HEARD ON July 17, 2024]
MOVE ON.UM, DO WE HAVE ANYONE HERE TONIGHT IN REFERENCE TO THE, UH, FIRST TWO LOTS SUBDIVISION? IT'S ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT SO THAT THE ROCO DRIVE? YES.
CAN YOU COME UP TO THE, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND SAYING YOUR NAME AND, YEP.
IS YOU ENGINEER HERE? I WAS EXPECTING TO BE HERE.
UM, THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE, UM, SITTING IN A BACK ROOM OVER ACROSS THE HALL.
IS THAT SOMEONE ELSE? LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A MEETING GOING ON OVER THERE.
UM, DO YOU WANT TABLE THIS FOR A MINUTE? YEAH, MAY AROUND.
WE COULD SKIP THIS ONE AND GO TO THE NEXT ONE AND THEN COME BACK TO YOU.
THEY ARE ACROSS THE HALL 'CAUSE HE WALKED IN AND SAID HE WAS REPRESENTING FOUR 20.
OH, IS ED'S YOUR ATTORNEY SIR? I'M SORRY? DO YOU HAVE AN ATTORNEY? NO, I JUST HAVE AN ENGINEER.
I THINK WE HAVE A ARE FOR AIRPORT DIRECTOR.
I, NICOLE SCHWAN, I'M WITH GOKEY ENGINEERING.
IT'S, SORRY, THE AUDIO'S NOT GREAT HERE AND I HAVE TO PLAN UP ON THE SCREEN.
I'M NICOLE SCHWAN, I'M WITH GORSKY ENGINEERING.
I REALLY DON'T SEE ANYTHING HERE THAT WE CAN'T ADDRESS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO GO OVER.
WELL, THIS, I HAD SPOKEN TO WITH JEFF ABOUT THIS EARLIER TODAY.
THIS WENT FROM A THREE LOT JOB TO A TWO LOT.
AND YOU'RE, SO YOU'RE NOW ELIGIBLE FOR THE CRI THE CRITERIA THAT APPLY FOR A MINOR SUBDIVISION.
I DON'T WERE YOU AWARE OF THAT OR KIND OF THOUGHT SO, YEAH.
SO IT CAN BE PROCESSED THROUGH AS, UH, FINAL
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WHEN IT GETS TO THE SUPERVISORS, UM, PROVIDED THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU, AND THEN THE NEXT SET OF DRAWINGS WOULD SKIP OVER, WOULD BE GO FROM TENTATIVE ALL THE WAY TO PRELIMINARY AND FINAL.'CAUSE IT WOULD BE ALL AT ONE TIME.
SO IT WOULD MEET THE FINAL CRITERIA.
DOES, DO YOU GUYS FOLLOW ME? MEMBERS OF THE, SINCE IT WENT TO A TWO LOT, IT CHANGED, IT BECAME ELIGIBLE FOR THE MINOR CRITERIA.
SO ARE YOU READY FOR THAT TONIGHT OR DO YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, JUST PRESENT IT TONIGHT AND GO FOR THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING OR, OR WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS? FROM MY REVIEW OF THEIR, OF THE LETTERS THERE, THERE ISN'T ANYTHING IN THE LETTERS THAT FROM, THAT WOULD HOLD THEM BACK FROM THAT POINT.
IF, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE LETTERS, HOW THEY ARE, IT COULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO FIND DIRECTOR TO SAY WE CAN MOVE THEM FORWARD IN THAT FASHION.
WERE THERE ANY OTHER REVIEWERS BESIDES, SO CASEY AND JENNIFER WERE THE TWO THAT SENT IN THE, UM, THE REVIEWS FROM BOWMAN AND GILMORE.
WERE THERE ANY OTHER REVIEWS THAT YOU WERE EXPECTING? NO, THE COUNTY REVIEWED IT AS A THREE LEVEL DIVISION, DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH IT THEN.
AND THEN WITH THE REVISED PLAN, THE COUNTY DOESN'T WEIGH IN ON THAT.
WHY DID YOU SAY, JUST FOR MY OWN INFORMATION, WHY DID IT GO FROM A THREE TO A TWO? SO THE ORIGINAL PLAN HAD A, UH, HAD A CUL-DE-SAC DESIGN AS THE, AS THE ENTRY POINT.
AND I'M SORRY, COULD YOU SPEAK INTO THE MIC? I'M SORRY.
UH, THE ORIGINAL PLAN HAD A, A THREE LOT SUBDIVISION.
IT HAD A CUL-DE-SAC DESIGN TO ENTER AND SPLIT INTO THREE LOTS.
UM, AND THAT WASN'T GONNA SATISFY, UM, I THINK IT WAS THE STEEP SLOPES.
AND, UH, I THINK AT LEAST TWO OTHER, UH, ISSUES THAT WE BROUGHT UP LAST SUMMER ABOUT IT.
SO WETLANDS AND THE STREAM GOING THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
THERE WERE SOME ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS TOO THAT CAME INTO PLAY WHERE WE HAD TO MAKE THE LOTS TWO INSTEAD OF THREE.
SO ANYONE HAVE ANY ISSUES HERE? ALRIGHT.
UM, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.
I GUESS THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE INCLUDE THAT IT BE PROCESSED AS A, AS A MINOR SUBDIVISION MOVING FORWARD.
WE'RE GONNA PROCESS THIS AS A MINOR SUBDIVISION.
SO, UM, ANYONE CARE TO MAKE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PROCESS THIS AS A MINOR SUBDIVISION.
ANY QUESTIONS? IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, SECOND TO VOTE OR NO? MAKE A MOTION TO VOTE.
IT'S ON THE TABLE, SO JUST NEED TO VOTE.
YOU NEED TO TAKE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT OR AT LEAST ASK.
UH, ANY COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE? IF NOT, UM, WE'RE READY FOR THAT.
DOES EVERYBODY WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION? IT'S ALREADY, IT'S ALREADY ON IT.
YOU WILL BE TENTATIVELY YOUR SCHEDULE FOR SUPERVISORS MEETING.
UH, BUT I, I DON'T HAVE THE DATE FOR ME.
I THINK IT'S THE, THE THIRD WEDNESDAY.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE 19TH OR MONDAY.
SO THAT WOULD BE WHEN YOU'D BE ON THE BOARD MEETING AND WE'LL HAVE TO REACH OUT AND COORDINATE THE RESOLUTION SAYS IN TERMS OF WAIVERS AND OTHER THINGS.
WE NEED TO DO THAT A COUPLE WEEKS BEFORE.
OKAY, NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS MENNONITE ROAD NINE SUBDIVISION.
MR. HUGS, CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF? AND I USED TO COME HERE WHEN THERE WAS A GARAGE, SO WE HADN'T MEETING STREET.
HOW LONG I'VE BEEN DOING THIS.
YOU ARE GONNA BE LOOKING FOR THAT GARAGE FOR A WHILE.
I USED TO TELL PEOPLE THAT JOHN HUGHES WAS MY UNCLE
IF YOU REMEMBER JOHN, HE WAS A PLANNING DIRECTOR FOR MANY YEARS BACK IN THE EIGHTIES.
ED HUGHES, I'M AN ATTORNEY FROM MOUT MEETING AND REPRESENT THE APPLICANT.
THIS IS A NINE LOT SUBDIVISION LOOKING FOR SCHEDULE PLAN, REVIEW AND, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH REGARD TO THE PROPOSAL.
I'M CHRIS DALEY FROM HAL ENGINEERING WITH ME AND SHELLY LYNCH FROM TRAFFIC PLANNING AND DESIGN AND TWO PRINCIPALS, MATT
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DONNELLEY AND MIKE ROKER FROM, UH, THE APPLICANT.SO IF YOU WANT TO, UH, HAVE THE ENGINEER WALK THROUGH THE PLAN AND, AND THEN WE HAVE A, A SERIES OF REVIEW LETTERS WE CAN GO THROUGH LOOKING FOR COMMENTS AND, UH, DIRECTION ON HOW TO PROCEED.
ANYTHING THAT, THERE'S AN ISSUE WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT, BUT IF THERE'S NO ISSUE, WE DON'T NEED TO COVER, WE'LL SAVE A LONG TIME.
I'M CHRIS DALY WITH, UH, HOW ENGINEERING, UM, I BROUGHT WITH ME A RENDERING OF THE PLAN.
UM, BUT WE'RE ESSENTIALLY SHOWING, UH, NINE LOT SUBDIVISION.
THERE'S TWO PARCELS THERE NOW.
THERE'S ABOUT A 10 ACRE PARCEL THAT'S UNDEVELOPED.
AND THEN THERE'S A TWO ACRE PARCEL THAT HAS A RESIDENTIAL DWELLING.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA PROPOSE A, UH, 32 FOOT WIDE CART WAY TO CONNECT BOTH MENNONITE ROAD AND TRAP ROAD THAT WOULD, UH, ACCESS THIS NINE LOT SUBDIVISION.
UM, THERE IS WATER AVAILABLE AT BOTH TRAP AND MENNONITE ROAD, SO PUBLIC WATER WOULD BE PROVIDED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND THERE'S ALSO A SANITARY SEWER THAT'S AVAILABLE IN TRAP ROAD.
SO THERE WILL BE GRAVITY FED, UH, SEWER AVAILABLE FOR THIS SUBDIVISION.
UM, WE HAVE, AGAIN, WE HAVE THE REVIEW LETTERS FROM GILMORE, UH, BOWMAN AND THE FIRE MARSHAL.
I THINK THE COMMENTS WERE VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD IN GILMORE.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THOSE, UH, THE FIRE MARSHAL'S COMMENTS.
UM, WE CAN ALSO COMPLY WITH, UM, BOWMAN'S LETTER.
THERE'S COMMENT NUMBER ONE IS PROBABLY THE, OUR BIGGEST CONCERN AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH, UH, THE INTERSECTION OF MENNONITE ROAD AND TRAP ROAD.
I BELIEVE THERE'S A PROJECT THAT'S UNDERWAY TO IMPROVE THAT INTERSECTION AND DUE TO SOME POTENTIAL QUEUING CONCERNS, UM, THEY JUST WANT US TO EVALUATE THE SITE DISTANCE COMING OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ONTO TRAP ROAD JUST TO ENSURE THERE AREN'T ANY SITE DISTANCE CONCERNS.
UM, SOME OTHER COMMENTS THAT CAME UP PERTAINED TO ULTIMATE RIGHTS OF WAY AND, UM, WIDENING THE CART WAY.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH PROVIDING THE REQUIRED ULTIMATE RIGHT OF WAY.
HOWEVER, THERE WAS A COMMENT IN THERE ABOUT WIDENING MENNONITE ROAD TO SATISFY THE CART WAY WIDTH.
UM, BUT THERE WAS ALSO A COMMENT IN THERE SAYING THAT IT MAY BE A GOOD IDEA TO CONSIDER PURSUING A WAIVER FROM HAVING TO DO THAT SINCE THE MAJORITY OF MENNONITE ROAD IS UNDER THAT CARTWHEEL WIDTH.
UM, SO THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DISCUSS TONIGHT.
UM, AND THEN IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, UH, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
OKAY, BOB, I CAN JUMP IN HERE A SECOND TOO.
UM, JUST TO TALK ABOUT THE COMMENTS THAT HE MENTIONED.
UM, OUR COMMENT NUMBER ONE IN OUR LETTER, LIKE HE SAID WAS OUR, OUR BIGGEST ITEM.
AND THAT WAS, UM, THE INTERSECTION THAT SIGNALIZE IS GONNA BE IMPROVED BY OTTAWA LAND DEVELOPMENT AS PART OF THEIR, UH, TOWN CENTER DEVELOPMENT WITH THE, WITH THE APARTMENTS AND EVERYTHING.
UM, THEY'VE BEEN WAITING TO SECURE SOME RIGHT OF WAY TO PUT SOME ADDITIONAL AUXILIARY LANES IN THAT INTERSECTION.
UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAD WAS BECAUSE OF THIS ROAD BEING A STRAIGHT ROAD THROUGH ROAD WAS, IS THIS A POTENTIAL ROAD THAT PEOPLE MIGHT BYPASS THE INTERSECTION ON IN, IN BUSY TIMES OF THE DAY? SO WE, WE HAD MADE A COUPLE SUGGESTIONS, NUMBER ONE TO MAKE SURE THE SITE DISTANCE IS THERE, LIKE CHRIS SAID, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UM, FROM POTENTIAL CARS QUEING, BUT ALSO COULD YOU LOOK AT, UM, ALTERNATIVES TO THE LAYOUT.
NUMBER ONE, ARE THERE TRAFFIC CALLING FEATURES THAT YOU CAN PUT IN ON THAT ROADWAY? AGAIN, THE ANSWER DOESN'T LIKE TO HAVE SPEED HUMPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT, UH, IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU CAN MAKE THAT ROAD A LITTLE BIT MORE MEANDERING, NOT AS, NOT AS CONVENIENT WITH THE STRAIGHT THROUGH? OR COULD YOU POTENTIALLY EVEN CUL-DE-SAC AND ON THE ONE 13 END AND MAKE IT EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY TO THE CUL-DE-SAC AND HAVE EVERYBODY COME IN AND OUT OF THE NINE LOTS OFF OF BENTONITE ROAD, WHICH IS THE LOWER CLASSIFICATION OF THE TWO ROADS.
SO WE THREW OUT THOSE OPTIONS FOR THEM TO EXPLORE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE DONE THAT.
UM, SHELLY'S DONE THAT, BUT THAT, THAT THOSE WERE, THAT WAS OUR BIGGEST ITEM.
I THINK ANOTHER OPTION YOU SUGGESTED WAS WRITE IN RIGHT? OR OR WRITE IN YEAH.
OR WRITE IN WRITE OUT TYPE OF THING.
JUST AS, AS LONG SIGHT DISTANCES THERE.
SO YEAH, WE CAN EVALUATE THAT ONE THING.
I MEAN WE DID ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE JUST TO SEE IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO DO A CUL-DE-SAC.
HOWEVER, ONE OF THE CONCERNS WE HAVE THERE WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE THE LENGTH OF THE ROAD I THINK WE WOULD'VE TO GET A WAIVER.
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FOR A CUL-DE-SAC ROAD IS 600 FEET.UM, SO WE'RE LIKELY GONNA EXCEED THAT IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET IT TO WORK WITH THE SAME NUMBER OF LOTS.
SO IT'S SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO.
UM, BUT I THINK WE'RE GONNA EVALUATE THE SITE DISTANCE CONCERN FIRST, SEE IF WE DO THAT WORK.
DID WE NOT DO AN ORDINANCE THAT EXTENDED THAT? NO, WE, WE KEPT IT AT THE 600.
ONLY BECAUSE 600 IS IS I, WE THINK IT'S THE, UM, THE LIQUID FUELS NUMBER.
SO ANYTHING LONGER THAN THAT, THAT PLAYS INTO DEDICATION AND OTHER ISSUES ONCE IT SORT OF GETS PAST 600.
I THINK WE HAD A WAIVER ON ONE OF THEM IS WHAT I MUST BE THINKING OF THEN.
WHERE IT WAS, IT WAS CLOSER TO 900.
BUT THE SAFETY CONCERN, UH, OF BEING THAT FAR BACK, PARTLY AMELIORATED BY BEING WIDER.
FOR WITH DOWN TREES AND THAT KIND OF CONCERN.
WHAT WAS THE, DO YOU RECALL WHAT THE WIDTH WAS FOR THAT? I, I CAN FIND IT IN MY FILES.
I CAN GO BACK, BUT OFFHAND IT'S BEEN, IT IS NOT IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS IT'S PULLED.
AND I'M SURE WE MADE THEM BUILD IT TO TOWNSHIP STANDARD, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'VE PUT ON YOUR PLAN.
THE 32 FOOT WHITE CAR WAY 50 FOOT RIGHT AWAY.
BOB, I HAD A QUESTION FOR THEM.
UM, BOTH IN THE, UH, THE KILMORE REVIEW AND ALSO THE COUNTY REVIEW.
UH, THEY MENTIONED, UM, CONCEPTUAL STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN.
UH, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING, UH, THAT SHOWS THAT YOU'VE GIVEN THOUGHT TO THAT MAYBE YOU HAVE.
UM, AND I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, MAKE A A POINT THAT MANY OF THE, UH, PLANS THAT WE GET IN FRONT OF US, EVEN AT THE TENTATIVE LEVEL, UH, HAVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION THAN WHAT WE SEE IN THIS PLANT IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, GRADING, UH, YOU KNOW, TOPO UH, THE PROPOSED THE FOOTPRINTS OF THE BUILDINGS, WHICH I SEE YOU HAVE ON YOUR RENDERING, BUT, UH, THEY WEREN'T MADE AVAILABLE TO US, UM, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THIS.
UM, BUT I'M WONDERING, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT MIGHT INFLUENCE THE, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PLAN WHEN YOU STARTED PLANNING FOR YOUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, UH, BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES.
I DID TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT SHOWING IT ON THE PLAN, BUT YOU KNOW, THE ENTIRE SITE SLOPES IN ONE DIRECTION.
IT ALL SLOPES TO THOSE, UH, LOWER LEFT LOTS.
SO WE INTEND ON PROPOSING A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT BASIN OVER PROBABLY THE REAR YARD OF BOTH OF THOSE LOTS.
AND THERE WOULD BE AN EASEMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
UM, I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
I MEAN I KNOW MONTGOMERY COUNTY'S CONSERVATION DISTRICT IS, IS DIFFICULT TO WORK WITH.
SO WE'LL MOST LIKELY ALSO HAVE TO POSE UNDERGROUND INFILTRATION BEDS PROBABLY FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE LOTS JUST TO TRY TO MAXIMIZE THAT INFILTRATION SLASH WATER QUALITY REQUIREMENT.
UM, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE MANAGEMENT WOULD BE PUT THE STORMWATER BASIN AT THAT LOW POINT OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, I'M JUST WONDERING WHETHER IT AFFECTS, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE NUMBER OF LOTS, LIKE YOU, YOU MAY END UP HAVING TO GIVE UP A LOT BY THE TIME YOU ACCOMMODATE WHAT YOU NEED FOR THAT.
I MEAN I'VE DONE A LOT OF THESE AND YOU KNOW, JUST DOING, JUST KIND OF HIGHING IT UP, DOING ROUGH CALCULATIONS.
I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
OTHER QUESTIONS? CONCERNS? WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR TONIGHT? WE'RE, LOOK, WE'RE LOOKING FOR UH, I THINK A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS JUST IN TERMS OF A CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT OF THIS PLAN.
WHETHER YOU GUYS AND THE BOARD WOULD SUPPORT GOING INTO, OBVIOUSLY WE STOPPED TO GO INTO SUBDIVISION, BUT WHETHER YOU WOULD SUPPORT THIS CONCEPT, CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT TO PROCEED.
BUT YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR PRELIMINARY, YOU'RE JUST LOOKING FOR THE CONCEPTUAL THE WORLD.
WE'RE STILL, WE'RE STILL AT TENTATIVE, WHICH IS WHY THERE'S NOTHING ENGINEERED AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO DETAIL ON THE PLAN.
I, I THOUGHT I, I HEARD THAT WE MIGHT BE SCHEDULED WITH THE SUPERVISORS LATER THIS MONTH FOR THAT ACCURATE IT WOULD BE AUGUST.
AUGUST IF YOU RECEIVE A RECOMMENDATION THROUGH THIS BOARD, THEN YOU WOULD PROBABLY GO ON THAT AGENDA.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, RECOMMENDATION THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN, IS DOABLE AND NOT OFFENSIVE TO ANYBODY.
AND WE HAVE A THREE STEP PROCESS.
SO THE TENTATIVE IS SORT OF THE PROOF OF CONCEPT THAT THEY'RE FOR ALLUDING TO, BUT IT IS A TEVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR TENTATIVE APPROVAL THEN LIKE MOST OF OUR OTHER PLANS, THAT'S STEPS INTO PRELIMINARY, JUST THE MORE HARDCORE ENGINEERING,
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THE 75 PAGES.YEAH, MOST OF THE INFORMATION.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS MORE OF A PROOF OF CONCEPT.
TE USUALLY DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR HIGH LEVEL, YOU KNOW, HEY DOES THIS VIOLATE THE ZONING ORDINANCE OR YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF THE BIG THINGS.
SO THIS IS NOT ENGINEERED YET.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN SHAPE TO MOVE FORWARD.
I MEAN, ARE YOU, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE THROUGH ROAD AND JUST SO WE KNOW, HOW LONG IS THAT THROUGH ROAD? DO YOU KNOW APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY FEET? PROBABLY ABOUT 1300.
AND WE'D PROBABLY BE LOOKING TO DEDICATE THAT IF POSSIBLE TO THE TOWNSHIP BOARD OF HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AS A THROUGH ROAD.
WELL WE HAVEN'T HAD A DISCUSSION WITH PUBLIC WORKS YET ABOUT DEDICATION AND I THINK CASEY'S RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTS TO TAKE IT ON, IS TO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS AND WHETHER THAT'S, THAT THAT MIGHT BE, THAT WOULD BE A PRELIMINARY IF THE BOARD PASSED ON THIS TENTATIVE, IF YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE, NOW'S PROBABLY A REALLY GOOD TIME TO PUT THAT PREFERENCE FORWARD ON, ON WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION THINKS SO THAT THE BOARD KNOWS.
I WOULD THINK WE WOULD PREFER NOT TO BE, UM, MAINTAINING THE ROAD.
BUT HOW'S THAT? OH, I'M TALKING MORE ABOUT THROUGH A ROAD.
WE'LL WORK OUT THE DEDICATION PART AMONG STAFF.
I MEAN, YES, YOU CAN CERTAINLY WEIGH IN ON IT, BUT THAT'S TYPICALLY I TEND TO DEFER TO THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR FOR THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE? IF NOT, UM, ANYONE CARE TO MAKE A MOTION? ANY COMMENT FIRST WE CAN PUT THE, PUT THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
UH, ANY COMMENTS FROM FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE? YES.
HEY, LOOK AT THAT PLAN HERE TOO.
YEAH, I'M FINALLY, I'M AWARE OF IT.
UH, JOEL HOSKINSON, UH, 4 31 SOUTH MENNONITE.
I AM RIGHT ON THE RED WOULD COME IN AND YES, I WOULD HOPE WE WOULD GRAB CONSIDER WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE BECAUSE WE, WE SAW A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AFTER I'VE LIVED HERE 28 YEARS.
SO OBVIOUSLY I WAS THERE BEFORE.
SO OBVIOUSLY I'VE SEEN ARCOLA AND ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THERE AND ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT'S COME WITH IT AND ALL THE ATTEMPTS TO CALM THE TRAFFIC, WHICH IT'S OKAY, I PULL OUTTA MY DRIVEWAY AND HAVE PEOPLE RIDE MY TAIL OF THE HIGHWAY TILL THEY GET AROUND ME AND SIT AT THE LIGHT WHILE I CATCH UP TO THEM.
BUT THE, BUT AGAIN, THIS WILL BE A HUGE ISSUE IF WE HAVE DIRECT ACCESS.
SORRY, I WANNA STEP BACK ON THAT ONE.
YEAH, THAT I GOT A CONCERN ABOUT THAT TOO BECAUSE I MEAN, YEAH I'M SURE MY PROPERTY SLIPS DOWN, BUT YEAH, THAT, THAT'S A HUGE DEAL.
UM, THINGS LIKE, I'M NOW CORNER LOT SO I HAVE DIFFERENT SETBACKS.
THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR THE US US WHO HAVE BEEN HERE, WHAT ARE WE DOING TO PROTECT OUR PROPERTY? SO I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THERE.
THIS IS, WE JUST HEARD ABOUT THIS IN THE LAST MONTH.
THERE WAS NO REACHING OUT TO ANYBODY.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT HERE TO CREATE ISSUES BUT WE, WE WANNA WORK WITH YOU BUT WE NEED SOME COMMUNICATION WORKS BOTH WAYS.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, UM, TRYING TO THINK IF THERE WAS ANYTHING ELSE HERE.
LEMME CHECK ONE THING, BUT, UH, THOSE ARE THE BIGGEST CONCERNS ARE THE, THE, THE GROUP.
SO I, I UNDERSTAND IT'S STILL SKETCH AND SO WE'RE WHEN DO WE, WHEN DO WE ADDRESS LIKE THE, THE PARTICULARS OF, OF SETBACKS AND HOW LIKE THAT NOW, LIKE THAT NOW IS A GOOD TIME FOR THAT.
BECAUSE I THAT THE BIGGEST CONCERN WAS US 'CAUSE WE'RE NOW GONNA BE A CORNER LOT.
SO THAT I'M TOLD BY SOME PEOPLE THAT I KNOW IN THE FIELD THAT NOW I HAVE TWO FRONT YARDS.
SO THAT MEANS I HAVE DIFFERENT SETBACKS.
IS THAT, IS THAT A CORRECT ASSESSMENT? IT IS A CORRECT ASSESSMENT, BUT, BUT OUR ORDINANCE ALSO MAKES PROVISIONS FOR CORNER LOTS WHERE WE CREATIVELY INTERPRET THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T BECOME A NONCONFORMING LOT.
YOU CAN STILL USE YOUR SIDE YARD GRANDFATHER, THOSE SORTS.
ESSENTIALLY THE SIDE YARD BECOMING A FRONT YARD ALWAYS TENDS TO BECOME AN ISSUE WHEN YOU WANT TO PUT IN AN ACCESSORY USE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO PUT AN ACCESSORY USE IN A FRONT YARD.
WE'VE CHANGED THAT LANGUAGE TO NOW A SIDE YARD,
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A FRONT YARD THAT'S A, THAT'S ON THE SIDE OF A HOUSE.IT'S NOT THE DIRECT FRONT ACCESS OF THE HOUSE CAN BE CONSIDERED A SIDE YARD BY MY INTERPRETATION OF IT.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS.
UM, IN TERMS OF OTHER SETBACKS, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOUR HOUSE NECESSARILY SITS ON IT COMPARED TO EVERYTHING ELSE.
I MEAN, IF WE CAN YEAH, YEAH, YOU CAN GO BACK.
THEY'RE ALL KIND STEP BACK AND STAY FROM THEN.
THE THE THE AND THE SCALE OF THE BLUE LINE'S A LITTLE OFF.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE YOUR HOUSE ISN'T EXACTLY FAR AWAY, BUT IT'S CLOSE TO LINE.
IT IS CLOSE TO LINE AND, BUT YOU BECOME AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY WHICH ALLOWS YOU PROTECTION AND ALLOWS YOU CERTAIN RIGHTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THEN THERE'S, BECAUSE YOU GOT A STREET IN, YOU GOT EMINENT DOMAIN ISSUES THERE TOO AS WELL POTENTIALLY CORRECT? WELL, OR DOES THAT ACCURATE? THE STREET IS THERE, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE STREET IS THERE MEANS THE 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY IS THERE AND THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S DESIGNED WHEN 4 25 SUBDIVIDED OFF THE HOUSE.
OR THEY ACQUIRED THE LOT ON TRAP ROAD.
UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT IMPACT THAT HAS TO YOUR HOUSE, I THINK THAT'S SUDDENLY THAT THEY SHOULD REACH OUT AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT IN TERMS OF MAYBE GETTING YOU A BUFFER AND GETTING YOU SOME, SOME THAT'S WE'RE NOT, WE'RE WORK WITH AND, AND SO WE CAN ALL I DON'T HAVE ANY REQUIREMENTS THAT I CAN MAKE THEM DO BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T REALLY WORK THAT WAY.
BUT OUR HOPE IS ALWAYS THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD REACH OUT TO YOU AND TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING ON THE NEXT PLAN AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE DOING TO HELP HIM OUT.
OH, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TO RAISE A CONCERN SO WE CAN PROACTIVELY AND HOPEFULLY REACTIVELY WORK TOGETHER.
UM, THE OTHER THING WAS, I MEAN I I ASSUME THIS IS DOWN THE ROAD, BUT LIKE THESE ROADS, WHAT ARE THE LIMITATIONS ON PARKING? LIKE, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW FAR BACK FROM LIKE A A, YOU KNOW, I MEAN SOMEBODY HAS A PARTY, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE GONNA FILL IT UP WITH UH, POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT IS THERE ANYTHING IN, IN THE ORDINANCES OR IS THERE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON THOSE KIND OF THINGS? 'CAUSE UH, AGAIN, IT'S A, IT WOULD BE A 32 FOOT WIDE ROAD AND I HATE TO KEEP SPEAKING FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON PARKING ON THE SIDES.
IF YOU WANTED TO APPROACH THAT WITH THE BOARD OR WITH THE APPLICANT WHEN THEY MAKE THEIR DECISION THERE, THAT WOULD BE THE, THE TIME TO ADDRESS THAT WITH THEM.
UM, WHEN YOU PUT US THIS IN ON AN ESSENTIAL LAND BECOMING A CORNER LOT OR WHATEVER, IS THERE ANY UM, PUSH OR ENCOURAGEMENT FOR ME TO TAKE MY DRIVEWAY OFF OF MENNONITE TO GET ONTO HERE FOR TRAFFIC PURPOSES? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS THAT DRIVEWAY SHOULD ALWAYS BE TAKEN OFF OF THE LESSER CLASSIFIED ROAD, WHICH WOULD BE THE INTERNAL ROAD HERE, BUT AT NO POINT ARE WE GOING TO BE FORCING YOU TO MOVE YOUR DRIVEWAY IF YOU CHOOSE TO CHANGE YOUR DRIVEWAY AND APPROACH THE APPLICANT ABOUT IT AND WORK IT OUT WITH THEM, THAT'S BETWEEN YOU AND THE APPLICANT, THE TOWNSHIP.
YEAH, I'M JUST NEW TO ALL THIS STUFF.
NO, I, I GET YOU, I I DON'T THINK THE TOWNSHIP COULD EVER FORCE YOU TO MOVE YOUR DRIVEWAY.
I I'VE HEARD DIFFERENT THINGS, SO I'M JUST, I I PUT IT AFTER THERE COULD BE SCENARIOS WHERE, BUT I DON'T SEE IT HERE.
I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THERE MIGHT BE, THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING, BUT HERE IT SEPARATES YOUR DISTANCES IDEA.
WELL YEAH, THAT WAS MY OTHER THING.
'CAUSE OUR DRIVEWAY WOULD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA BE TO THE ROAD PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, 20 FEET.
OKAY, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S THE CONSIDERATION THAT THE CASE HE'S TAKEN INTO WITH WITH HIS REVIEW.
HE'S OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, SO.
AND UM, FROM MY STANDPOINT, MY WIFE'S STANDPOINT, WE WOULD DEFINITELY BE IN FAVOR OF SOMETHING, EVEN IF IT'S JUST THE RIGHT HAND TURN LANE OR WHAT BECAUSE WE SEE, LIKE I SAID, WE SEE IT'S ON A TRAFFIC ON A DAY DAILY BASIS, WEEKEND BASIS FOR THAT MATTER.
UM, CUT THROUGH WILL BE AND AND TO THE BENEFIT OF THOSE THAT ARE BUYING HOUSES THERE TOO.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? WE'RE GOOD.
SO THE REAL QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE? YEAH.
THE REAL QUESTION IS, DOESN'T LOOK LIKE YOUR SUGGESTION WAS THAT SHOULD MAYBE HAVE CUL-DE-SAC OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT RATHER THAN THE THROUGH ROAD.
UM, HOW'S EVERYBODY FEEL ABOUT THAT? 'CAUSE THAT DEPENDS ON WHETHER WE MOVE THIS ON TO THE NEXT STAGE TONIGHT.
ANY FEELINGS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER? WELL THAT WAS JUST ONE OF THE OPTIONS IN THE REVIEW LETTER TO CONSIDER THAT.
AND WHICH WE, WE CERTAINLY DO AS WELL AS THE OTHER POINTS.
THEY CALL IT TRAFFIC COMMENT AND THE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS.
I THINK IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS A PREFERENCE, DO YOU PUT THAT INTO YOUR RECOMMENDATION? HOW THE BOARD REACTS
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TO IT AND HOW THE APPLICANT REACTS TO IT AGAIN? 'CAUSE YOU ARE JUST MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ON WHAT YOU THINK TO THE BOARD.YOU'VE READ CASEY'S LETTER ON THE ASSUMPTION YOU'VE READ CASEY'S LETTER
IF THAT'S THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S PREFERENCE, PLEASE PUT THAT IN YOUR MOTION AND THEN, UM, THE BOARD WOULD REACT TO THAT AS THEY SEE FIT WHEN THEY'RE AT THE BOARD AGENDA.
ANYBODY, CARRIE, MAKE A MOTION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER SO WE CAN SAY THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE IT FORWARD TO THE BOARD FOR REVIEW WITH THIS.
NOT A STIPULATION, BUT, WELL, IT WOULD EITHER BE THAT YOU SUPPORT THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER'S RECOMMENDATION OR, OR YOU TAKE NO ISSUE, TAKE NO STANCE ON THAT OR ARGUABLY THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER'S RECOMMENDATION.
CASEY, I AGREE THOUGH THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO REVIEW IT WITH SOME TYPE OF LIKE LESSENING OR ELIMINATION OF THE ABILITY TO CUT THROUGH AT LEAST A COMMENT HERE SLOWLY.
I CAN SEE THIS IS HIGH SPEED CUTOFF POSSIBLY AND THERE'S MORE DEVELOPMENT ON BOTH ENDS, SO, RIGHT.
SO IS THAT YOU'RE MAKING THAT AS A MOTION? YES.
SO, SO LET ME JUST MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE I'M WILLING TO WRITE THE MOTION.
THAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD SUPERVISORS? YES.
WHICH IN ESSENCE WRITTEN ALREADY, SO.
ANY ADDITIONS? WELL, WE GOT THE MOTION, THE MOTION THERE GOES MOTIONS ON THE FLOOR.
SO IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND.
[DISCUSSION: FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]
DO YOU MOVE ON OR DO WE NEED A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAK HERE? YEAH.LET'S DON'T USUALLY HAVE TO SAY, UH, WHAT WE HAVE FOR FUTURE, FUTURE AGENDA.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE ON AUGUST 7TH, AS I SAID, WE'RE GONNA TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I DON'T WANNA PUT ANYTHING ELSE ON THERE.
I WANT TO JUST HAVE THAT MEETING PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON JUST THAT.
UM, JUST SO WE CAN GET THAT RESOLVED, GET THAT WRAPPED UP.
YOU'RE GONNA GET AN OUTLINE AND THERE BE MAYBE SECTIONS TO FILL IN, SOME, SOME LANGUAGE TO WRITE.
BUT GENERALLY I WANT TO GET YOUR APPROVAL ON EVERYTHING.
AND THEN, UM, WHEN WE COME BACK ON THE 21ST, WORSHIP FOR BAPTIST CHURCH HAS ASKED TO BE ON THAT AGENDA.
I'M WILLING TO PUT THEM ON THERE, BUT I WANNA SPEND MORE TIME WORKING WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND, AND TALKING THAT THROUGH AND MAKING SURE THAT WHATEVER LANGUAGE WE'VE COME UP WITH IS
UM, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ONE.
THAT'S THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ONE.
UM, I'M GONNA LET CASEY, SOMEONE FROM HIS OFFICE.
CASEY, WHY DON'T YOU INTRODUCE, YEAH, I WANT TO INTRODUCE THE, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION TO BRIAN DONOVAN FROM OUR OFFICE.
HE'S BEEN WORKING WITH ANTHONY AND OUR AND, UM, BRIAN'S, UH, PLANNER WITH OUR OFFICE, UM, PUTTING TOGETHER THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN OUTLINE FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
HE WANTS, HE WANTS TO GIVE YOU ALL JUST A REALLY BRIEF OVERVIEW.
UM, HE'S GONNA GIVE YOU A PACKET.
IT IS PART OF WHAT, UM, JEFF HAD TOLD YOU AT THE BEGINNING WOULD BE LIKE HOMEWORK.
THIS WILL GET YOU A HEAD START ON HOMEWORK RATHER THAN
IT'S, AND BASED ON WHAT HE SAYS TONIGHT IN YOUR REVIEW OF IT, UM, THOSE MEETINGS THAT JEFF MENTIONED IN AUGUST, YOU CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE ANY FEEDBACK OR QUESTIONS AT THAT TIME.
BRIAN PROMISED ME HE'D BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA GET INTO A REAL DEEP DIVE
BUT I DON'T, WE GOT, WE DO HAVE THE, IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA
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AND WE NOW HAVE THE SUNSHINE LAW THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T MOVE OFF OF YOUR AGENDA THAT WAS PUBLISHED.WELL THIS REALLY IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE.
THIS IS PART OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH WE TALKING OH WELL.
AND HE'S, HE WASN'T HERE AT THE BEGINNING, SO WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO IS HE WAS SAYING THAT THERE IS A PIECE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THAT HE IS ACTUALLY GOING TO JUST DO AN OVERVIEW OF THEM AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE I GET IT.
UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING ME HERE.
UH, I'M BRIAN DONOVAN FROM BOWMAN AND I'M JUST GONNA SHARE WITH YOU A COUPLE THINGS THAT CASEY MENTIONED ABOUT WE'RE WORKING ON THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS.
THAT'LL BE A DISCREET CHAPTER WITHIN THE PLAN.
AND WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS AN OUTLINE OF WHAT WE PLAN TO SHARE IN THE PLAN.
AND WITHIN THE PACKET IS KIND OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE PERHAPS OF, OF WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE.
AND SO TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THAT REAL QUICKLY, THE TRANSPORTATION RELATED CENSUS DATA JUST HAS TO DO WITH TAKING STOCK OF HOW PEOPLE GET AROUND IN THE TOWNSHIP AND THE CAR OWNERSHIP AND UM, YOU KNOW, PERCENT OF INCOME SPENT ON TRANSPORTATION, FACTORS LIKE THAT.
THE TRANSPORTATION INVENTORY, WHICH YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A MAP IN THERE AS WELL, KIND OF COVERS BASICALLY WHAT TRANSPORTATION IS IN THE TOWNSHIP.
THAT'S THE ROADWAYS, IT'S BRIDGES, IT'S STATE OWNED ROADWAYS VERSUS MUNICIPAL.
IT'S UH, SIDEWALKS AND TRAILS AND, AND ELEMENTS LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT, UM, TRAFFIC VOLUMES AND TRENDS AND TRAFFIC VOLUMES OVER TIME IN THE TOWNSHIP AND FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION, HOW IT'S DEFINED NOW IN THE TOWNSHIP, HOW IT COULD BE DEFINED.
UM, AND THEN MOVING ON TO CRASH DATA AND SAFETY ANALYSIS.
WE HAVE A SAFETY ANALYSIS PACKAGE IN THERE THAT SORT OF GOES INTO CRASH HISTORY IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, TRYING TO IDENTIFY HOT SPOTS AND, UM, HIGH, HIGH INJURY NETWORK CRASHES.
AND SO IT WILL HELP THE TOWNSHIP DOWN THE ROAD TO FOCUS IMPROVEMENTS AND APPLY FOR GRANT FUNDING TO, TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND UH, FINALLY THE FOURTH SECTION THERE, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT CAPITAL TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT, UH, PROJECTS.
SO THAT'S THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.
THEN ALSO THINGS THAT ARE FUNDED AND IN PROGRESS AND THEN MAYBE THINGS THAT ARE PARTIALLY FUNDED NEED ANOTHER PUSH OR PRIORITY PROJECTS THAT DON'T HAVE ANY FUNDING YET.
AND HOW DO YOU GET THEM, HOW DO YOU GET THEM MOVING THE FUNDING MECHANISMS. AND UM, THEN AGAIN MOVING ON TO RECOMMENDATIONS AND ACTION ITEMS COMING OUT OF THE, OUT OF THIS CHAPTER.
AND I BELIEVE KIND OF EACH CHAPTER OF THE PLAN WILL HAVE THAT KIND OF THING.
WHERE DO WE GO NEXT ON THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC? SO YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF A RUNDOWN OF WHAT WE PLAN TO ACCOMPLISH AND YOU CAN REVIEW KIND OF WHAT WE HAVE STARTED THERE AND WE'LL HAVE MORE COMING, UM, ON THE NEXT SECTIONS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
WE'LL GET A NICE LONGER TALK NEXT TIME.
WE'RE NOT OUTTA THE WOODS YET.
SO I HANDED OUT MY HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT BEFORE THE MEETING.
THOSE, THOSE, THE TWO, TWO DOCUMENTS I GAVE YOU.
ONE'S CHAPTER 94 FOR SEWER AND ONE'S MS FOUR.
AND AGAIN, READ THROUGH AND ANSWER QUESTIONS IN THE NEXT MEETING.
TRANSPORTATION IS MUCH MORE EXCITING COMPETITION.
UM, ALL RIGHT, SO BACK THE AUGUST 21ST, WE'LL HAVE AGAIN, HOPEFULLY WRAPPING UP THE COMP PLAN AND ERS FOR BAPTIST CHURCH ON THERE.
UM, AND I'M GONNA LIMIT AGAIN, I THINK WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS ON THE SEVENTH WHEN THOMAS BACK, BUT I THINK WITH ERS FOR BAPTIST CHURCH, WE MADE A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE.
SO I, AND IT'S NOT ON A FORMAL APPLICATION YET, SO I DON'T REALLY WANNA SPEND THREE HOURS OF, OF YOUR MEETING TIME ON THAT.
I THINK WE KEEP IT VERY FOCUSED, VERY TIME LIMITED LEVERAGE FOR BAPTISTS, UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COMMUNITY FEELS IF ANYBODY'S OUT FROM THE COMMUNITY AT THIS POINT, AND WHERE THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTS 'EM TO GO BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING IN TERMS OF EVEN WRITING AN ORDINANCE OR ANYTHING WE CAN REACT TO OTHER THAN ONE DRAWING.
AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM.
IT'S AN EXPENSE AND I DON'T WANNA MAKE ANYBODY SPEND ANY MORE MONEY THAN I HAVE TO, BUT WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, FOCUS WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND YOU CAN'T JUST ALL BE SCATTERSHOT.
SO, WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT AS WE GET CLOSER TO THAT MEETING.
AND THEN THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL MEETING AS YOU WENT, YOU WALKED IN TODAY, WE WERE STILL HAVING OUR LAST ONE, THE NEXT ONE IN SEPTEMBER.
WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF ORDINANCES THAT EVENTUALLY WE'LL GET TO YOU FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND THEN, UM, TALK TO SOME OF THE HOAS AND HOPEFULLY HAVE SOME HOA MEMBERS OUT HERE SO
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WE CAN SORT OF START PARTNERING WITH HOAS AND WORKING WITH THEM IN TERMS OF HOW THEY TREAT THEIR BIG, YOU KNOW, THAT MAINTAIN THEIR, THEIR STORMWATERS AND STORMWATER FACILITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.UM, THEY MANAGED IT WELL, HOWEVER, IT JUST ISN'T TO TODAY'S STANDARDS, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.
I MEAN, IT WAS THOUGHT THROUGH FOR ITS DAY, BUT ITS DAY WAS 50 SOMETHING YEARS AGO, SO YES.
AS MY WATER HEATER THE DAY JUST HAD TO REPLACE.
THEY TOLD ME HOW OLD MY HOUSE
SO THIS WASN'T YOUR AIR CONDITIONING.
ANYTHING ELSE, GUYS? ALL RIGHT.
IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN THE MEETING.
WHO WANTS TO MAKE THAT? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION WE ADJOURN.
ANYBODY WANNA SECOND THAT? ONE SECOND.