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RECORDING.SO NOW WHEN WE DO THE MINUTES, WE HAVE THAT RECORDING AS WELL.
[CALL TO ORDER]
ORDER[APPROVE AGENDA]
MOTION IN FAVOR, ASK FOR A SECOND.I THINK WE CAN JUST, THE THREE OF YOU.
ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? TOUGH FOR, SO, UH, SHOULD WE JUST JUMP TO OUR MEETING WITH BRANDY? WE HAVE TO HAVE THE APPROVAL OF
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
THE MINUTES.IT'S QUIRKY, BUT BY STATE LAW WE HAVE TO STICK WITH THE SUGGESTION.
SO THE MINUTES FROM MARCH 20TH, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES.
[2. Discussion about Local Climate Action Plan with Brandi J. Robinson, Associate Teaching Professor | Director of Advising, Energy and Sustainability Policy, Department of Energy and Mineral Engineering]
SHALL WE MOVE RIGHT TO BRANDY? YES.THANKS FOR COMING OUT, BRANDY.
SO YOU, YOU'RE GONNA INFORM US ABOUT A LOCAL CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, AND RATHER THAN ME GIVING AN INTRODUCTION TO WHAT THAT IS, I'LL JUST LET YOU TAKE THE BALL AND AND INTRODUCE IT TO US.
DOES ANY, DOES ANYBODY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT A ACTION PLAN IS? I HAVE A GENERAL SENSE OF IT, BUT I, I MEAN, I PREFER JUST A FULL INTRODUCTION JUST SO SHE UNDERSTANDS.
I HAVE, BUT I REALLY PREFER IT ABLE THIS A CONVERSATION.
SO WE INTERRUPT ME, YOU KNOW, ASK QUESTIONS THROUGHOUT.
I THOUGHT MAYBE BEFORE WE DID THAT WE GO AROUND AND INTRODUCE SO WE KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON IT.
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING FOR THE TOWNSHIP.
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.
AND CHAIR OF THE LANGUAGE OR THE, UH, DEPARTMENTAL.
UM, I TEACH UP HERE AT PENN STATE UNIVERSITY OF TEACHING, BUT I ALSO CONTRACT THIS LOCAL TIME ACTION PROGRAM THAT I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT TONIGHT.
SEE SOMETHING THAT MIGHT INTERESTED THIS YEAR, NOT YOU WANNA DO IT NEXT YEAR, THAT'S FINE TOO.
SO THAT KIND OF WALK THROUGH A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT PROGRAM HISTORY AND HOW WE OPERATE AND WHAT IT TAKE, WHAT ASKING AND WHAT YOU GET.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I HAD SAY PERSONALLY.
IT'S ALWAYS A MYSTERY WITH MY, UM, MM-HMM,
I HAVE TWO SOMETIMES WHEN POWERPOINT, I THINK I NEED TO GIVE YOU PERMISSION THOUGH.
ONE BIG SLIDE AND A BUNCH OF ONE'S ON THE SIDE, BOTH SCREEN.
OH, WE SEE LIKE THE POWERPOINT WINDOW.
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YEP.YEAH, SO WE'RE TALK ABOUT PETER AT, UM, SUSTAINABILITY INSTITUTE.
UM, WE BOTH HAVE DONE A LOT WORK TOGETHER.
ACTUALLY OUR CENTER, UM, PETER TO A WORKING FOR SEVERAL.
WE WERE THE, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN, SO, UM, THE DEPARTMENT STARTED THIS AROUND PENNSYLVANIA FIND FACULTY MEMBER.
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AND SO, UM, SO LITTLE TOWNSHIP NEAR HARRISBURG, 3000 PEOPLE, ALL OF THE STATE FOREST FACILITIES.SO RIGHT NOW YOU, I ARE THE PROCESS OF IDENTIFYING STUDENTS.
SO THE FALL SEMESTER IS REALLY HEAVILY FOCUSED ON WHAT WE TYPICALLY EXPECT FOR OUR COMMUNITY WORK IS THAT THE SECTOR, THE TRANSPORTATION SECTOR ARE STARTED TO SEE SOME THINGS HAPPENING.
I'LL SAY THAT ELECTRIC, AT ANY RATE OF
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SHOW YOU WHAT.SO THESE ARE, UM, THESE ARE ACTUALLY TOWN, TOWN ARE THE BIG IN BOTH CASES.
UM, AND RELATED TO SOLID WASTE, WASTE, WATER, WATER.
THIS KIND OF LAYS OUT THE METHOD OF HOW THAT WOULD NOVEMBER, DECEMBER.
AND THEN, UM, HERE ARE TWO MORE EXAMPLE.
WE ACTUALLY ALSO YEAR AND UM, I'LL PAUSE THERE BECAUSE I WANNA SAY, UM,
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A MUNICIPAL STANDPOINT, THE STAFF STANDPOINT, I THINK WE WOULD, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN.UM, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE TOWNSHIP MANAGER AS MUCH.
UM, HE'S NOT GONNA BE REALLY DOING THE WORK.
SO IT WOULD GO TO SUE AND I, UM, AND I, I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN WORK THAT IN.
UM, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THE, THIS EAC IS STILL RELATIVELY NEW AND WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIND OUR FOOTING AND TRY TO FIND THINGS TO DO.
SO I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PROGRAM THAT WE CAN HOP ON YOUR BACK SO TO SPEAK AND MOVE FORWARD FROM THAT.
CAN YOU TELL ME, UM, RESOLUTION THAT OUR SUSTAINABILITY, I THINK, RIGHT? WE DID, WE DID OUR SUSTAINABILITY CHECKLIST AND I, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT WE SCORED, BUT I, I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOTTEN TO THAT POINT OF HAVING THOSE RESOLUTIONS YET.
REVOLUTION ABSOLUTELY DIDN'T QUITE KNOW HOW.
WELL, AND I LOOK AT THIS FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT THAT REALLY YOU BE COMING IN AT THE GROUND LEVEL AT THE VERY BOTTOM FLOOR AND SAYING, HERE'S HOW, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA START, HERE'S HOW WE'RE GONNA START WITH A CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
AND, AND NOT SO MUCH LIKE SOME PLACES THAT HAVE DONE CERTAIN THINGS AND WE'VE SORT OF DONE A CHECKLIST AND THAT'S ABOUT IT.
YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT IT AS, LOOK, GIVE US SOME DIRECTION SO WHERE THE EAC CAN GO FROM A VOLUNTEER STANDPOINT, WHERE THE BOARD CAN GO AND THEN THINGS WE CAN DO TO MOVE THE BALL FORWARD THAT WE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO, SO WE TOGETHER A SPEAKER SERIES AND WE RUN
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LOCAL SCALE.SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NATIONAL WE'RE EXPECTING CLIMATE, THE NAME SOUNDS FAMILIAR, SAME THING WITH CRACK.
UM, I'M SURE YOU GUYS KNOW CLIMATE, SO GO THROUGH AND PEOPLE COME TO TALK TO US.
UM, SO YEAH, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CERTAINLY, AND ALL THESE RECORDINGS ARE ABOUT ONE HOUR.
I MEAN, I'M THINKING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, HOW DO WE GET MORE PEOPLE WHO, WHO WANNA GET INVOLVED? AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, CAN, UM, I DIDN'T LOSE YOU, DID I? NO, NO.
UM, LIKE OUR, LIKE OUR, UM, UH, COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE COMMON LAWS, THE HOAS WELL AND SEE WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO IN MAY, BUT THAT GOT PUSHED BACK TO SEPTEMBER IS WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE A MEETING WITH THE HOAS TO GET OURSELVES OUT THERE WITH THEM.
AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN RUN PARALLEL.
AND I THINK WE, IF THE A C WOULD LIKE TO DO IT, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DO AS A TOWNSHIP AND SEE HOW THE FALL SEMESTER PLAYS OUT AND THEN SIT DOWN AND START TALKING ABOUT THE SCOPE OF WORK FOR THE SPRING.
RIGHT? I MEAN, WE DON'T WANNA PRE ASSUME THE SCOPE OF WORK.
WE WANT TO SEE WHERE OUR STUDENT IS AND WHAT THEIR, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR FOCUS IS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
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WELL, AS WELL, PROBABLY 50% OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, FOR THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT OVER THE PAST 25 YEARS, I WOULD SAY THERE WERE ABOUT HALF FROM ARE H OAS.SO IF WE WANT TO TAKE THAT AS OUR INITIAL FOCUS OF HOW WE WOULD DO OUTREACH AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD GLOBAL SORT OF STEP.
I DON'T WANNA GET TOO MUCH MORE SPECIFIC THAN THAT AND LET THE, THE PLAN FOR PLAY ITSELF OUT.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING.
THAT'S LIKE A BIG AUDIENCE THAT WE CAN TAP INTO.
DO YOU WANT ME TO, TO GIVE YOU A CALL SOMETIME MAYBE LATER IN THE WEEK OR NEXT WEEK AND WE CAN WORK OUT THE LOGISTICS FROM A MUNICIPAL STANDPOINT.
I'LL, I'LL REACH OUT AND WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE THEM IF THEY NEED TO MAKE AN OFFICIAL MOTION AND VOTE, BUT WE'LL THAT'S FINE.
LET THEM DO THAT IF THEY WANT TO DO THAT.
AND THEN WE'LL, UM, I'LL LET YOU KNOW AND WE'LL SEE WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
JUST ONE BEFORE YOU GO, JUST ONE QUESTION ON THAT INITIAL INVENTORY OR ASSESSMENT, UH, CAN YOU GIVE US JUST A, A BROAD, UH, BRUSH STROKE OF, OF WHAT ITEMS WOULD BE ON THAT ASSESSMENT? YEAH.
STATION WE'RE AROUND 24, 6, 25, SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
OF OF THOSE TWO ASSESSMENTS, THE, THE, THE MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS VERSUS THE COMMUNITY WIDE ASSESSMENT.
I MEAN, I GUESS IT WOULD DEPEND COMMUNITY WIDE COMMUNITY.
WHICH ONE IS GONNA GIVE YOU THE BIGGEST BANG FOR YOUR MIND? I, I THINK WE'D WANT TO DO THE COMMUNITY WIDE ONE AGAIN, WE CAN STUDY PUBLIC WORKS
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AND THE POLICE FORCE AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT HERE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA GIVE US AS MUCH OF A PLAN, THE END AND WHAT TO WORK ON FOR NEXT YEAR UNLESS WE LOOK AT IT FROM A MORE TOWNSHIP WIDE STANDPOINT.YEAH, I MEAN BECAUSE APPROACH, PERSPECTIVE OF WE HAVE DIRECT CONTROL OVER ALL THIS AND SO WE WANNA GET WE.
I GUESS YOU AS AN EAC DECIDED IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANTED.
I THINK THE COMMUNITY WISE, THE WAY TO GO BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, GETTING AN AWARENESS TO GET PEOPLE BEHIND.
IT'S NOT JUST SIX PEOPLE SITTING AROUND TALKING ABOUT IT.
I MEAN, WE MIGHT DISCOVER SOME LOW HANGING FRUIT TOO, THAT TOWNSHIP LEVEL ENCOURAGE YOU THOUGHT AND SO CALLED RETENTION THAT THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO BENEFIT FROM, BECAUSE THERE'S NO WALKING PATHS, THERE, NO BENCH THERE TREES, THERE'S NO ACCESS.
PEOPLE DON'T HAVE WAY TO ACCESS THESES AND THEY'RE PAYING OUT MONEY.
SO LIKE, HEY, SAVE MONEY X INSTEAD.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S THE THING.
WELL, WE'RE STILL DOING FOR THAT IN SEPTEMBER.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE PLAN FOR SEPTEMBER BECAUSE I KNOW, YOU KNOW, LAST SEPTEMBER WITH OUR MINUTES, UH, YOU INCLUDED THIS, RIGHT? I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'RE QUITE READY TO HAVE A SEMINAR.
I THINK WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIND OUT WHO THEY ARE AND ACTUALLY GET THEM TO A MEETING.
THAT'S THE CHALLENGE AT THIS POINT.
THE CHALLENGE AT THIS POINT IS ACTUALLY GETTING THEM TO ADMIT WHO THEY ARE AND THAT THEY'LL COME TO A MEETING.
I HAVE MAYBE SIX PEOPLE THAT I KNOW THAT ARE ON HOAS.
THEY'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
BUT I, I GOT A LOT, A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN SIX
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HOAS.SO, SO THE FIRST STEP FOR THAT IS JUST GETTING A LEVEL OF COMMUNICATION OUT THERE WITH THEM AND LET'S JUST NOT, I, I KNOW WE WANT TO DO THAT AND I KNOW YOU, YOU, YOU KEEP PUSHING FOR IT, BUT THAT'S, YOU, YOU KEEP PUSHING THE CART WAY IN FRONT OF THE OWNER SIDE.
LET'S JUST GET OUT THERE AND MEET WITH THEM FIRST.
AND WE'RE STILL, THAT'S STILL THE PLAN FOR SEPTEMBER TO HAVE THAT MEETING THEN AND THEN, UM, ABOUT TO START NEXT.
BUT UM, WE CAN, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION TO START MOVING THIS FORWARD, I CAN MAKE CONTACT WITH HER AND I CAN SET UP WHAT THE STEPS ARE AND DO WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO.
FOR THE HOAS, FIND OUT WHAT MONEY AND THAT SAVE MONEY.
BUT, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE PEOPLE IN THE HOAS I'VE SPOKEN TO IT, IT'S REALLY, THEY WANNA LOOK FOR GRANTS AND PARTNERSHIPS FOR THE TOWNSHIP TO PAY FOR THINGS.
POSITION TO DO WELL MAYBE PARTNER BUT NOT TO PAY FOR THINGS.
SO, AND AGAIN, AGAIN, YOU ALL PUT YOU WAY BEFORE THE COURSE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO CONVINCE THE HOAS AT SOME POINT.
ALLOWING PEOPLE TO NOT HAVE A GRASSY YARD IS STEP ONE.
THAT'S THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE BECAUSE THERE'S TOO MANY PEOPLE IN HOA THAT WILL GO, I'M NOT VOTING FOR THAT.
SO, BUT IN TERMS OF GRASS CUTTING, LET'S
[3. Discussion on ordinance amendments: Weeds/Grass cutting and Single use plastic ban]
JUST JUMP HERE A LITTLE BIT FOR GRASS PLASTIC, WHY DON'T WE JUST PUT THOSE ON 'CAUSE TOM IS IN FAVOR OF THEM AS EMAIL EVERYBODY OUT.UM, I, YOU KNOW, I REALIZE ABOUT THESE LATE, WHY DON'T WE JUST GO THROUGH THESE AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THESE SEPTEMBER AS WELL.
I MEAN JOE, JOE DID GO THROUGH THE, I SENT YOU OUT THE ORIGINAL DRAFT HERE.
IT'S JOE, OUR ATTORNEY, ATTORNEY SORT BOILED THEM DOWN TO THIS ONE IS DEFINITELY A LOT SMALLER THAN THE ONE THAT YOU SENT OUT, WHICH I STILL THINK WORKS, BUT YES, I, I THINK YEAH, SOMETIMES MORE, YOU KNOW, YOU NOT SPELLING OUT EVERY THE ONE THING I YEAH, THE ONE THING I WANT YOU TO TAKE IN.
AND YOU RUN INTO THIS, I RUN INTO THIS WHEN WE PASS THESE ORDINANCES, THINK ABOUT, UNFORTUNATELY IT'S NOT YOU FORCING THEM, IT IS US GOING OUT AND HAVING TO KNOCK ON SOMEONE'S DOOR AND SAYING YOU NEED TO CUT YOUR GRASS.
THIS IS 10 FEET VERSUS NINE FEET, STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO, AND THE NEIGHBOR'S COMPLAINING ABOUT UNFORTUNATELY, ORDINANCE.
SO PLEASE TAKE THAT IN MIND WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT, THAT'S ALWAYS EVERYBODY'S QUESTION HOW WE DUNNO IF THIS IS MY, SO THAT'S RIGHT.
THERE'S, UM, CHAPTER 94 AND THERE'S, THESE ARE, THESE ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE REWRITTEN, THIS COVERAGE MAP, ALL THE THINGS I PROBABLY, YEAH, SO.