[CALL TO ORDER]
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CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER FOR THE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, REGULAR MEETING MONDAY, MAY 20TH.LET'S ALL STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
[MOTION TO APPROVE BOARD AGENDA]
UP IS A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BOARD AGENDA.I'LL MAKE A MOTION APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.
[PUBLIC COMMENT ]
ALL RIGHT.YOU COME UP, SAY YOUR NAMES, STATE YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOU HAVE THE THREE MINUTES.
UM, ANYBODY WANT TO COME UP AND MAKE COMMENTS? BILL, THANK YOU FOR NOT DISAPPOINTING US,
I WAS LIKE, THANK YOU, UH, BILL FOUNTAIN, OLD STATE ROAD.
UH, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME AND CONSIDERATION YOU HAVE ALLOWED THE CITIZENS OF UPPER PROVIDENCE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS OF THE MANY DECISIONS BEFORE YOU.
I HAVE COME BEFORE YOU IN THE PAST TO ADVOCATE FOR OPEN SPACE AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE CONNECTIVITY OF OPEN SPACE TO EXISTING NATURAL FEATURES SUCH AS THE SCHUYLKILL RIVER EXISTING PARKS SUCH AS UPPER SCHUYLKILL VALLEY PARK, THE LOCK 60 RECREATIONAL AREA, AND THE BLACKROCK SANCTUARY, AND OTHER OPEN LANDS THAT MIGHT PROVIDE FUTURE CONNECTIVITY TO OTHER OPEN SPACE AND PARKS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT CONSIDERATION IS BEING GIVEN TO CONSERVE LAND ALONG THE SECOND AVENUE CORRIDOR, PARTICULARLY EXISTING VACANT LAND TO CONNECT TO THE TOWNSHIP OWNED LAND THAT IS BISECTED BY MINGO CREEK AT THE CORNER OF SPRINGTOWN ROAD AND SECOND AVENUE.
I HOPE THAT CONSIDERATION OF THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO CONSERVE OPEN SPACE ALSO INCLUDES THE PORTION OF THE PARKHOUSE FARM PROPERTY ALONG SECOND AVENUE BETWEEN OLD STATE ROAD AND THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY TRAILS AND LANCE ALONG THE SCUBA RIVER.
THIS TYPE OF CONNECTIVITY IS SO IMPORTANT TO THE QUALITY OF OPEN SPACE.
THE BIGGEST WINNER ARE THE BIRDS WHOSE POPULATIONS ARE IN SERIOUS DECLINE.
OPEN SPACE PROVIDES A LARGER AREA FOR MIGRATION, NESTING AND FEEDING AND RAISING THEIR YOUNG.
IT ALLOWS WILDLIFE A LARGER RANGE, WHICH IS OTHERWISE BISECTED BY SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT.
IT ALLOWS THE PUBLIC THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE POINTS OF ACCESS FOR RECREATIONAL PURSUITS, SUCH AS HIKING, BICYCLING, HORSEBACK RIDING, AND FISHING.
THIS CONNECTED OPEN SPACE MIGHT ALSO ALLOW FOR SOME BIGGER VISION OPPORTUNITIES, SUCH AS CAMPING, HUNTING, OR FRISBEE GOLF.
I UNDERSTAND THAT NOT ALL CONSERVED LAND MIGHT BECOME PUBLIC LAND, BUT WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS THAT IT WOULD BE CONSERVED AS OPEN SPACE.
WE ARE EXPERIENCING SOME CHALLENGING TIMES IN UPPER PROVIDENCE, AND I'M APPRECIATIVE OF THE HARD WORK BY YOU SUPERVISORS, THE PLANNERS, AND ALL THE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP STAFF.
THESE ARE ALSO EXCITING TIMES AS WE PLAN FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR TOWNSHIP.
JAMES HOFFMAN, 1199 SECOND AVENUE, WHERE UNFORTUNATELY, I'M NOT GONNA BE AS NICE AS BILL.
I AM GOING TO PUBLICLY DECLARE THAT MR. YEAGER HAS ALREADY PUT IT OUT THERE, THAT HE IS AGAINST THE ZONING CHANGE.
SO THAT LEAVES TWO TO TWO VOTE FOR THE REMAINING FOUR OF YOU.
THE ONLY POSITION THAT HAS BEEN NON-NEGOTIABLE FOR THE DEVELOPERS IS THE 1200 UNIT PARCEL.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THEY CANNOT DO IT.
IT'S, IT'S GONNA DOUBLE THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS.
IT'S GOING TO DOUBLE THEIR CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
BY GIVING THEM A PASS AND CHANGING THE ZONING, WE WILL GIVE THEM MORE PROFITS.
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WHAT WE NEED TO DO, WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS, REMEMBER, WHAT YOU CAMPAIGN UPON IS NO ZONING CHANGE.MS. KELSEY, I REMEMBER YOU SPEAKING ON A VIDEO ABOUT NO ZONING CHANGES ON THE PARK HOUSE.
I REMEMBER THAT THIS HAS BEEN A CONTENTIOUS POINT FROM THE BEGINNING.
IT'S BEEN A POLITICAL FOOTBALL FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS EITHER GO BALL TO THE WALL AGAINST THIS, GO TO COURT IF NECESSARY, OR GIVE UP THE GHOST.
I DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP THE GHOST.
I'LL FIGHT TILL MY DYING BLOOD LEAVES MY BODY.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO HERE.
WE NEED TO COST THESE PEOPLE MORE MONEY TO THE POINT THAT THEY COME AROUND TO OUR WAY OF THINKING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD WITHIN THE ZONING THAT IS EXISTING.
THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY WITH THE ZONING EXISTING.
THEY DIDN'T BUY THE PROPERTY WITH THE ABILITY TO CHANGE THE ZONING WITH MONEY, PRESSURE OR FRIENDS.
WE NEED TO STAND THE COURSE AND SUFFER THE RESULTS.
I THINK THOSE RESULTS GOING TO BE IN OUR FAVOR.
THEY DON'T WANT TO BUILD 1200.
THEY DON'T WANT TO GO TO COURT.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET THEM THAT COMPROMISE.
WE'VE ALL BEEN FOCUSED ON THE APPLICATION OF THAT AMENDMENT TO THE PARK HOUSE PROPERTY.
HAS THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE PLANNING OFFICER FULLY ASSESSED WHETHER THEY, THERE MAY BE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF APPLYING THIS AMENDMENT TO OTHER AFFECTED PARCELS IN THE TOWNSHIP? AS A REMINDER, IT'S AN OVERLAY.
SO IT APPLIES TO MANY OTHER PARCELS IN THE TOWNSHIP.
IF THE ANSWER IS YES, PLEASE SHARE THAT ASSESSMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY BEFORE THE MAY 29TH HEARING.
IF THE ANSWER IS NO, THEN DO NOT APPROVE THE AMENDMENT.
AS FOR THE AMENDMENT AS WRITTEN, WE DON'T WANT FIVE UNITS PER GROSS ACRE.
WE DON'T WANT 50 FOOT STACKED HOME STACKED TOWN HOMES.
WE DON'T WANT TO LIMIT THE OPEN SPACE TO ONLY 25%.
THAT MUCH WAS WRITTEN IN THE AMENDMENT.
WE ALSO DON'T WANT, AS DEPICTED IN THE DEVELOPER'S PLAN, 600 UNITS THAT WILL RESULT IN 4,000 TRIPS PER DAY, ACCORDING TO THEIR EXPERT, WHICH WOULD BE FUNNELED INTO DANGEROUS INTERSECTIONS OF SECOND AVENUE AND HOLD STATE ROAD AND SECOND AVENUE AND ONE 13.
THAT WILL BE VERY, VERY UNSAFE.
AND WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT PROPOSED ROUNDABOUT WILL BE COMPLETED THAT AND THE DEVELOPER WON'T BE WAITING FOR.
LISTEN TO WHAT YOUR APPOINTED PANEL SAID.
THAT IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THEY RECOMMENDED THEY DO NOT APPROVE IT.
AND BY THE WAY, I WROTE AN EMAIL TO THE BOARD ABOUT LISTENING CAREFULLY TO AJ KPAS, MEMBER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S COMMENTS DURING THE MAY 15 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
THOSE COMMENTS WERE COMPELLING REGARDING PARKHOUSE AND THE CURRENT INSTITUTIONAL OVERLAY ZONING.
IF A CONDITIONAL USE FOR RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY FOR SENIOR CITIZENS IS GRANTED, IT WILL STILL LEAD TO A PROJECT THAT IS SAFER.
REMEMBER, THOSE SENIOR CITIZENS MAY BE 62, BUT THEY MAY BE MUCH, MUCH OLDER.
SOME MAY BE DRIVING, MANY OTHERS WILL NOT.
THAT PROJECT WOULD HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS IMPACT ON SCHOOLS TRAFFIC AND THE COMMUNITY.
AND IT WILL PROVIDE FOR A GUARANTEED 50% OPEN SPACE, NOT 25%.
PLEASE DON'T CAVE TO TIME PRESSURE FROM THE DEVELOPER.
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BOTTOM LINE, DON'T APPROVE THAT ZONING TAX AMENDMENT.JODY, PATRICK, UM, FOUR GENERAL NOTES.
UM, I'M LOOKING AT THIS, YOUR RESOLUTION, UM, FOR
IF YOU'RE ABLE TO TAKE THESE PROPERTIES OFF OF, UH, OFF OF 29 ON HOPWOOD ROAD AND COLLEGEVILLE ROAD, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WHEN THEY WANT TO TAKE RYAN DECKELS PROPERTY?
YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, LIKE THIS, YOU GUYS COULD TAKE, TAKE SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY AND THEN JUST SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE WANT TO TAKE PATRICK'S HOUSE, OR WE WANT TO TAKE SOMEBODY ELSE'S HOUSE BECAUSE OF THIS ENT DOMAIN.
AND I'M SAYING, WHEN I HAD MY SURVEY DONE AND LAURA LANE IS MY PROPERTY, YOU GUYS NEVER, NEVER, NEVER ONCE OFFERED TO PAY US FOR THAT PROPERTY.
SO NOW I'M DOWN TO FIVE POINT 0.52% OF LAND THERE, HALF A ACRE.
UH, HOW MUCH MORE ARE YOU GONNA TAKE FROM US? AND THEN THE THROWING UP ANOTHER BUILDING, UH, BUILDINGS, OIL, THE PLACE WE ARE GONNA HAVE WATER RUN OFF.
WHERE'S THAT WATER GONNA RUN TO? BACK TO THE CHUCO OR TO OUR BASEMENTS? I, AGAIN, HAVE THREE SUB PUMPS IN MY BASEMENT.
I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE WATER'S GONNA COME DOWN BLACKROCK ROAD THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE HEADED DOWN TO, UM, CHUGA RIVER.
AND MRS. MARTINELLI STILL HAS THE PROBLEM OF WATER COMING UP IN HER BACKYARD.
YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU PUT THE BIG SEWER PIPE IN OVER THERE OFF OF GUMS ROAD AND EACH UP RIGHT THERE ACROSS FROM THE DENTIST'S OFFICE.
BUT STUFF GETS TRACKED IN THERE.
SO WE HAVE TO MAKE A PHONE CALL TO SAY, HEY, CAN YOU GUYS GO OVER THERE AND CLEAN THAT UP? NO ONE EVER CHECKS THAT.
AND AT THE POST OFFICE, THE WATER'S STILL COMING DOWN THERE.
NIELSEN CLEANED OUT THOSE AREAS.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW? AND ONCE HE GOING, WHAT'S HIS PLAN TO BUILD UP OVER THERE? AND OUR SCHOOL? WE CAN'T AFFORD ANY MORE SCHOOL.
I, I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE MONEY, GUYS.
AND I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE IN OUR TOWNSHIP THAT DOES THAT, DOESN'T HAVE IT.
SO I WISH YOU RECONSIDERED ABOUT THAT.
MY NAME'S BEEN EVOKED INTO THE CONVERSATION.
I'VE BEEN QUIET, UH, OBSERVING UP UNTIL NOW.
I AM THE, IT'S THE CORNER OF OLD STATE AND SECOND AVENUE.
I'VE OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
I'VE LIVED NUMEROUS FOR MY ENTIRE LIFE.
UM, THE EMINENT DOMAIN, UH, THERE'S QUITE A FEW ON THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT.
I HAVE A PREPARED STATEMENT HERE.
UM, EVERYONE'S FAMILIAR WITH THAT TURN.
UH, A LOT OF ACCIDENTS SINCE OWNING THE PROPERTY FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS.
I PERSON PERSONALLY WITNESSED MANY, INCLUDING, UH, HAVING VEHICLES END UP IN MY FRONT LAWN ON MY PATIO 20 FEET FROM MY LIVING ROOM.
IT WAS ACTUALLY 10, UH, RIGHT NOW.
MY ELDERLY FATHER, IF YOU KNOW, AND FOR NINE YEARS, I MEAN, WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS PROPERTY? 'CAUSE IT'S THE ONLY ONE INSIDE THAT SECOND AVENUE, GER ROAD ONE 13.
SO SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE PROPERTY.
OKAY? UH, I HAVE HAD SHORT CONVERSATIONS WITH ED MULLEN OVER THE YEARS.
UH, MY, LIKE I SAID, MY RETIRED FATHER LIVES THERE.
UH, HE WAS A TEACHER AT GRAY VALLEY SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR 42 YEARS.
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THE ENGINEERS SUPPORTING NVR AND COMMENTS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING LAST WEEK, THAT THE INTERSECTION AT SECOND AVENUE AND OLD STATE ROAD WILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.IN ADDITION, THERE'S ALSO DISCUSSION ON WIDENING OLD STATE ROAD AS OF THE LAST MEETING, OLD STATE ROAD, THE, THE SPECIFIC QUESTION WAS ASKED TO THE, THE, UM, MR. BERMAN AND ED MULLEN, ANY PLANS FOR OLD STATE ROAD? NO, WE HAVE NO, THIS WAS THREE WEEKS AGO.
NO, WE HAVE NO PLANS FOR OLD STATE ROAD AT THIS TIME.
NOW, LAST, LAST WEEK, ALL OF A SUDDEN, THEY'RE WINDING IT.
UH, SO THAT, THAT WAS A, UH, A VERY RECENT, UH, BIT OF INFORMATION.
UM, IN ADDITION, THERE WILL ALSO BE DISCUSSION ON WIDENING OLD STATE ROAD.
I'M JUST READING FROM MY PAPER HERE, A LITTLE BIT REPETITIVE ACROSS THE FURNITURE OF THE DEVELOPER'S PROJECT, WHICH BORDERS MY PROPERTY.
WHILE I UNDERSTAND MR. BERMAN AND HIS TEAM ARE NOT YET CLEAR WHAT WILL BE NEEDED FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES IN OWN STATE AND THE INTERSECTION, I DO WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT AMIN DOMAIN PROCEEDINGS TO SUPPORT THIS PRIVATE ENTERPRISE ARE PROHIBITED BY THE STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA.
TITLE 26, CHAPTER TWO, SECTION 2 0 4 THAT BASICALLY SAYS, UH, EMIN DOMAIN CANNOT NOT BE INVOKED TO HELP WITH PRIVATE, UH, ENTERPRISE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT.
OKAY? NOW, THE ROUNDABOUT DOWN AT, UH, THE INTERSECTION DOWN THERE BY THE BRIDGE THAT'S BEEN TALKED, TALKED ABOUT.
UH, BUT STILL EVEN THAT WAS AFTER THE PROPERTY WAS BOUGHT AND MENTIONING OF THE BEING DEVELOPED, UH, CONVERSATION.
OLD STATE ROAD HAS NOT BEEN SPOKEN ABOUT UNTIL THE PARKHOUSE PROPERTY WAS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED.
OKAY? THEREFORE, OLD STATE ROAD WILL BE WIDENED BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THAT'S ALL I, I'M OUT OF TIME.
UH, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT HERE TONIGHT, UH, IN FRONT OF YOU.
AND, UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
YOU NEED THE GLASSES?
ALRIGHT, ALBERT VAGNOZZI, ONE TWENTY EIGHT PATRIOT DRIVE.
UM, REGARDING THE PLANNING COMMISSION NEXT WEEK.
YOU ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AS DO MOST PEOPLE HERE.
A REMINDER PLANNING COMMISSION IS APPOINTED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
IT'S NOT ACCOUNTABLE TO ANYONE.
SO THE BOARD DOESN'T HAVE TO, OTHERWISE YOU WOULD HAVE, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ANY LIFE AT HOME.
THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE BOARD, INCLUDING WHEN I WAS ON IT, WE, THERE WERE TIMES WHEN WE DID NOT TAKE THE RECOMMENDATION AND PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, SO THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR YOU TO DO THAT.
DID YOU WATCH THE VOTE? DID ANYBODY WATCH THE MEETING? IT WAS A THREE TO TWO VOTE AGAINST THE, UH, IT WAS TWO TO TWO.
THE PERSON WHO VOTED, UH, THE THIRD, UM, THE THIRD PERSON WHO VOTED AGAINST IT SEVERAL MINUTES BEFORE HE WAS VOTE VOTING IN THE, HE WAS TALKING IN THE AFFIRMATIVE THAT HE WAS GOING TO APPROVE IT.
AND HE HAD 50 SETS OF EYES ON HIM, BEANING ON HIM, JUST LIKE I AM WITH YOU, ALRIGHT? AND HE CAD UNDER PRESSURE.
AND THE PROBLEM IS, WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE IS, THERE'S, THERE'S, UM, WHAT'S, YOU CAN'T PAY ATTENTION TO THE AUDIENCE ALL THE TIME BECAUSE THERE'S 25,000 PEOPLE HERE.
IF WE WANT TO PLAY WHO'S IN THE AUDIENCE THE MOST, I'LL PUT A HUNDRED PEOPLE HERE NEXT WEEK.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING, MS. KELSEY, YOU KNOW, I'LL DO IT.
I COULD PUT A HUNDRED PEOPLE HERE.
SO IT'S NOT ABOUT WHAT'S, WHO'S HERE.
IT'S ABOUT WHAT'S THE RIGHT THING.
UM, LOOK, I UNDERSTAND I DON'T WANT PARKHOUSE TO BE DEVELOPED EITHER, BUT, AND, BUT, UM, THE PROBLEM IS, UM, THIS IS NIMBYISM.
IT'S WHAT, WHAT THE, THE GROUP HERE, SOME OF THE GROUP PROPOSED WAS 253 UNITS, IF YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT.
SO WE WENT FROM NO HOMES TO A GROUP SAYING IT'S OKAY TO BUILD 253.
WHICH IS IT? IS IT NONE OR IS IT 253? SO THEY PROPOSED 253
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TO THE OWNER, BUT MOVE IT TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AWAY FROM OUR HOMES.OKAY? SO THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH, AND THIS IS THE STUFF YOU GUYS NEED FISH THROUGH.
SO IN MY OPINION, THEY'VE LOST ALL CREDIBILITY.
HOWEVER, THE LEGAL OPINIONS SAY YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE.
SO BOARD THIS, THIS BOARD, YOU NEED TO DO YOUR JOB.
YOU ARE ELECTED MS. SADLER, MS. YEAGER, MS. KELSEY, MS. STEVENS, AND MR. STARLING.
YOU'RE ELECTED AND YOU'RE ACCOUNTABLE.
THE P COMMISSION, UM, LOVE 'EM, THE GREAT PEOPLE, BUT YOU'RE THE ELECTED BOARD.
AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT A POPULARITY CONTEST.
AND WE SAW TONIGHT ALREADY ATTACKING YOU, MR. YEAGER.
I KNOW YOU WERE AGAINST IT, MS. KELSEY, YOU WERE AGAINST IT.
BUT IT WAS ALL BEFORE LEGAL OPINIONS AND COURT RULINGS.
IT'S OKAY TO CHANGE YOUR OPINION.
AGAIN, I'M NOT FOR THIS, BUT YOU'RE GOING, WE'RE GOING TO LOSE.
SO HERE'S YOUR DECISION CHAIN.
NEXT WEEK YOU CAN VOTE TO APPROVE A TAX AMENDMENT FOR 600 HOMES.
THEY'LL GO OUT THE DOOR, IT'LL BE FINE.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S TWO MEETINGS AGO.
PEOPLE WERE GONNA DIE BECAUSE OF THIS.
WE'LL, WE, WE WON'T HAVE TRAFFIC TILL 4 22.
THE FIRE TRUCK WILL GET THERE.
THE, UH, WASTE, UM, STORM WATER WILL BE BETTER THAN IT IS TODAY.
SO YOU CAN VOTE FOR 600 HOMES OR YOU CAN VOTE NO.
AND WHAT HAPPENS THE NEXT NIGHT? IT'S NOT A COINCIDENCE.
AND YOU KNOW, THE NEXT NIGHT YOU'RE GONNA START A CONDITIONAL USE HEARING.
AND AT THE END OF THAT HEARING, WHICH COULD TAKE A WEEK, TWO MONTHS, THREE MONTHS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A DECISION TO MAKE.
VOTE FOR 1,203 HOMES OR VOTE NO.
AND 30 DAYS AFTER YOU VOTE NO, A $6 BILLION COMPANY IS GOING TO SUE YOU TO SUE US.
OKAY? AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO LOSE.
AND THEN WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS AT SOME POINT, AFTER WE'VE SPENT HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON LEGAL FEES, HI, LET'S GO, LET'S GO LET I LET RYAN, I'M ALMOST DONE.
YOU JUST DON'T LIKE WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.
NO, AND YOU WERE DONE A MINUTE AGO.
SO, FOLLOWING THE HEARING, IF THERE'S A COURT CASE AND, AND WE LOSE, THEN WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? THE BOARD'S GONNA VOTE YES TO AGREE TO A PLAN THAT'S FORCED UPON YOU.
IT'S GONNA BE FORCED UPON YOU.
SO AT THE END, DONE AT THE END OF THE DAY, OW, OW, YOU'RE DONE.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU'RE DONE.
YOU, YOU, ME, WHILE I WAS GOING BE, THAT'S ENOUGH.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU DON'T APPROVE THE 600 VOTES, YOU'LL END UP, IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE KING OF PR.
IT'LL BE THE KING OF PR THAT NOBODY WANTS.
SECOND CHIEF, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ASK HER TO LEAVE THE ROOM.
SHE'S DISRUPTING A PUBLIC MEETING.
SHE'S, NO, NOT THE TREAT ARE SO WAS RYAN.
AND IF WE DO, YOU GOT PROPERTIES TO SELL.
NOW PINK COMES THE DOG THAT'S GONNA SETTLE EVERYTHING DOG LOVES US.
TRY TO KEEP IT THE THREE MINUTES BECAUSE I WILL
SO CAN'T CHANGE THAT STANDARD NOW, NOT NECESSARY.
HI, SUSAN DE DENBY BENNINGTON ROAD.
UH, THANK YOU FOR THIS, THIS TIME.
AND TOO BAD I HAVE TO GO AFTER THAT.
UM, MY COMMENTS ARE, UH, ABOUT PARKHOUSE AND THE ZONING TAX AMENDMENT THAT'S BEFORE YOU.
I ASK YOU TO THINK ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS OF OVERDEVELOPMENT OVERDEVELOPMENT THROUGH HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT.
WHETHER IT'S OSR TWO, THAT'S A NEW ONE, OR INSTITUTIONAL OVERLAY.
OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT ABLE TO HANDLE THIS.
UH, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THIS WEEKEND.
MY HUSBAND AND I WERE IN A CAR, SOMEBODY AT DRY VELVET AND ONE 13 DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
ANOTHER CAR CAME DOWN AND WE ALMOST WITNESSED A TOTAL DISASTER.
AND WE ALMOST WERE IN IT SCHOOLS, THE TAXES WILL DIFFERENTLY GO UP.
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HOMES? AND WITHOUT I IMPLICATION OF SCHOOLS AND NEW SCHOOLS AND TAXES, OUR PEOPLE ARE JUST TIRED OF PAYING SO MANY TAXES.ALSO, WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND A POTENTIAL NEW ONE.
I WISH WE DIDN'T WAIT SO LONG TO HAVE ONE, BUT I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO GIVING INPUT TO IT BECAUSE I THINK THE CITIZENS HERE, WE DO HAVE A SAY, YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO US.
WE LIVE HERE AND WE, YOU ARE OUR VOICE AND YOU SERVE US.
IT'S NOT THAT YOU DECIDE EVERYTHING, IT'S THAT WE ARE PART OF THE, THE EQUATION.
THINK ABOUT SAFETY AND WELFARE AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE.
I LIVE DOWN AT THE INTERSECTION OF DRY VIS AND ONE 13.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT HAVING A CORRIDOR THERE WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE ROADS, IT IS NOT A AVAIL ABLE TO SUPPORT IT.
OLD STATE ROAD IS SMALL OR NOT WIDE, BUT NEITHER IS SECOND AVENUE.
IT IS VERY NARROW, NO SHOULDERS.
SO THINK ABOUT THE SAFETY AND WELFARE OF PEOPLE.
WE'RE TIRED OF HAVING DEVELOPERS DICTATE HOW WE DEVELOP.
AND I BELIEVE GOTTEN INTO THIS REALLY OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.
AND I CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE SO MANY ZONING ORDINANCES BECAUSE DEVELOPERS I LEARNED ARE GOING IN AND CHANGING THEM.
HAVE THEM USE ONES THAT ALREADY EXIST.
AND EVERY TIME A DEVELOPER COMES IN THAT THEY GET TO DO THEIR OWN LITTLE WAY AND DEVELOP 600 HOUSES IN A PLACE WHERE WE'VE GOT SO LITTLE HOUSES.
I ASK YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER THE IMPLICATIONS.
WE HAVE AN OSR TWO AND AN O IO ZONING.
WE DON'T NEED MORE SAY NO TO THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT AS IT IS.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, UH, TWEAKED LATER, BUT I ASK YOU TO DENY THIS ONE AND STOP HAVING THEM DICTATE TIMELINES.
DO YOU HAVE YOUR THREE MINUTES? I'M SORRY.
I'D LIKE, NO SIR, SIR, NO, THERE'S NO REBUTTAL.
IT'S, YOU'RE NOT, IT'S NOT YOU.
AGAINST THEM'S COMMENTS TO THE BOARD.
ANYONE NEW? IS ANYBODY WILLING TO YIELD THEIR AMOUNT? TIME TO MAKE? IT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS.
UM, I'M HERE TO, UH, REQUEST THE TOWNSHIP TO CONSIDER MAKING SAFER PASSAGE FOR PEDESTRIANS AND BIKERS TO CROSS O UH, OVER ONE 13.
SO OUR COMMUNITY, WE LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ANDERSON FARM, PARK OF THE TOWN, UM, OF THE TOWN CENTER.
UM, AND ONE OF THE PLEASURES OF LIVING IN THIS TOWNSHIP TO BE ABLE TO WALK, BE ABLE TO BIKE TO PLACES.
UH, SO WE DO A LOT OF THAT WITH OUR KIDS, WITH FRIENDS.
UM, MY KIDS, YOU KNOW, FRIENDS ALSO.
UM, BUT NOW THEY'RE GETTING OLDER.
THEY'RE TRYING TO EXPLORE AND GO OUT ON THEIR OWN, AND IT'S WONDERFUL.
BUT AS A MOM, I'M ALWAYS VERY SCARED WHEN THEY HAVE TO GO OVER THE ONE 13, I THINK WITH THE REC CENTER ON THE, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF OUR COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THEY, THEY HAVE TO CROSS THAT ROAD.
SO, UM, IF THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE THAT PROCESS MORE PROMINENT BY PAINTING, UM, YOU KNOW, CONS, SPEAKERS, LINES ON THE, ON THE INTERSECTION OR PUTTING LIGHTS, UM, WHEN THEY PRESS THE BUTTON TO, TO WALK.
UM, I THINK, UM, SO THERE'S THE INTERSECTION, UM, WHERE BECHTEL BECOMES HOPWOOD, RIGHT? CROSSING ONE 13.
AND THERE'S THE OTHER ONE THAT WOULD TAKE US TO, UH, THE TOWN CENTER, WHICH IS SOUTH MENNONITE ROAD CROSSING ONE 13.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, MY COM OUR NEIGHBORS, MY KIDS AND THEIR FRIENDS USE A LOT.
UH, IF THERE'S OTHER SPOTS LIKE THAT, I THINK IT'S NOT VERY EXPENSIVE.
IT'S PAINT, RIGHT? MAKING, JUST DRAWING WIDER CONS, SPEAKERS LINES, UH, AND ADDING LIGHTS.
SO, UM, YOU, FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
UH, RAO, UH, 3 74 VISTA DRIVE.
I HADN'T PLANNED ON SPEAKING TONIGHT.
AND, UH, USUALLY I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS SOME ASSOCIATED WITH
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THE PARKHOUSE FRIENDS SERVING ON THE STEERING COMMISSION.AND AFTER THE PLANNING SESSION LAST WEEK, WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE BUILDER.
AND HONESTLY, I WASN'T EXPECTING ANYTHING OF IT, BUT THE GROUP WAS TRYING VERY HARD TO COME UP WITH THE CONSENSUS ON, HEY, COULD WE MOVE OFF OF OUR POSITION? AND WE MADE, AS THEY LIKE TO SAY, A SIGNIFICANT MOVE OFF OF THE 2 53 HOUSES.
AND I JUST WANNA SHARE WITH YOU AND THE PUBLIC THAT IT WAS FLATLY TURNED DOWN.
THEY DIDN'T OFFER US A HOUSE OFF OF THE 600.
WHAT WAS ALSO CONCERNING WAS WE TALKED ABOUT SETBACKS.
UH, WE TALKED ABOUT FEEDER ROADS, WE TALKED ABOUT HEIGHT CONCERNS.
AND WHILE I RECOGNIZE AS PART OF LAND DEVELOPMENT, I GOTTA BE HONEST WITH YOU, THE MESSAGE WE GOT BACK DIDN'T MAKE ME FEEL AT ALL COMFORTABLE THAT BILL TRIED TO DO THE THINGS THAT THEY SAY THEY WILL TRY TO DO.
AND IT JUST WORRIES ME FOR THE COMMUNITY'S PERSPECTIVE THAT IF THAT'S THE TYPE OF INVOLVEMENT WE'RE TRYING TO GET INTO, AND CERTAINLY THERE'S NO RESPECTIVE GROUP THAT CAN SPEAK FOR THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S JUST HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND IN LIFE LONG ENOUGH.
SO, PERSONALLY, I WAS REALLY DISAPPOINTED.
JUST WANT TO SHARE THAT WITH THE BOARD.
I APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE.
I KNOW YOU GOT A LOT OF PRESSURE.
WE'RE STILL HERE TO HELP AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
THANK ANYONE ELSE, MS.
OKAY, I JUST WANNA TALK ABOUT EMINENT DOMAIN BECAUSE IT CAME UP A FEW TIMES TONIGHT.
THE ONLY, AND IN MY TIME ON THE BOARD, THE ONLY EMINENT DOMAIN ACTIONS WE HAVE TAKEN ARE FOR TRAFFIC SAFETY OR FOR HEALTH RELATED TO SEWER EASEMENTS.
OKAY? WE DON'T TAKE PROPERTY SO PEOPLE CAN BUILD HOMES ON IT OR ANYTHING ELSE.
IT'S FOR ONLY FOR THOSE TWO REASONS.
AND THE TOWNSHIP MUST PAY FOR EVERY SQUARE INCH AT MARKET RATE.
OKAY? WE DON'T TAKE IT FROM YOU, WE PAY YOU FOR IT.
AND THE ONLY TIME THAT WE GO TO EMINENT DOMAIN IS WHEN WE'VE NEGOTIATED WITH THE LANDOWNER AND THEY JUST REFUSE TO GIVE US THE RIGHT OF WAY OR TO GIVE US THE EASEMENT FOR THE SEWER SYSTEM TO GO THROUGH.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO REASONS WE DO THAT.
SOMEBODY TALKED ABOUT THEY WEREN'T PAID.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT CIRCUMSTANCE WAS.
IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT WAS AN EMINENT DOMAIN ISSUE THOUGH.
SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND THAT, TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, I WAS GONNA WAIT UNTIL IT WAS REACHED AT THE, YOU KNOW, THAT SPOT ON THE AGENDA.
THE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA FOR EMINENT DOMAIN ARE SITUATIONS WHERE, UM, EASEMENTS ALONG THE EDGE OF ROADWAYS ARE REQUIRED TO MAKE ROUTE 29 PENDO COMPLIANT IN CONNECTION WITH THE LEGAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE LAND.
AND THE LAW SAYS THAT IN THAT CASE, IF THE, IF THE DEVELOPER CAN'T GET THE LAND VOLUNTARILY FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER, THAT THE MUNICIPALITY IS ALLOWED TO COME IN AND USE EMINENT DOMAIN FOR THAT LIMITED PURPOSE.
YOU CANNOT USE EMINENT DOMAIN TO TAKE A PERSON'S ENTIRE PARCEL FOR OPEN SPACE.
AND TO ECHO WHAT BILL SAID, IT IS NEVER USED CASUALLY OR WILLY-NILLY.
UM, THEY'RE, THE BOARD IS VERY, VERY HESITANT TO USE IT.
THESE TAKINGS HERE ALL INVOLVE AMOUNT OF A FEW SQUARE FEET HERE AND A FEW SQUARE FEET THERE.
THEY ARE ALONG THE EDGE OF A PUBLIC ROAD TO BE USED FOR PUBLIC CARS TO GO ON.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE MIDDLE OF SOMEONE'S PRIVATE PROPERTY.
AND EVEN AT THAT, THEY ARE PAID THE FAIR MARKET VALUE FOR THE AMOUNT THAT'S NEEDED FOR THE EASEMENT.
AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY THESE ARE ON THE, UM, AGENDA OUT OF, OUT OF ALL THE EASEMENTS THAT WE NEEDED, WE WORKED IT OUT WITH ALL BUT THESE PEOPLE, AND THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES WHO, FOR A COUPLE OF EASEMENTS HAVE REFUSED TO SAY NO.
AND SO WE HAVE TO, TO CONTINUE THE PROJECT FORWARD, WE USE THEM IN DOMAIN ON THE DEVELOPER'S BEHALF, AND THEN, UH, THAT IS SUBMITTED TO PENDO TO MAKE THE PLAN, UH, COMPLIANT.
THERE IS NO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO REPORT, AND WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON
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TO THE APPROVAL OF THE BILL LIST FOR APRIL.I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT, UH, FOR THE PERIOD APRIL ONE THROUGH APRIL 30TH, WE, WE PAY THE AMOUNT OF $1,441,726 AND 27 SINCE, I'LL SECOND THAT.
I HAVE A SECOND AND A, A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.
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TWO MINUTES APPROVAL MINUTES.ONE FROM APRIL 18TH AND ONE FROM APRIL 22ND.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APRIL 18TH, 2024 AND APRIL 22ND, 2024 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS REGULAR MEETING MINUTES.
OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
THERE IS NO OLD BUSINESS, BUT THERE
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IS NEW BUSINESS.SO THAT IS INTRODUCING THE DOG, BUT I THINK THAT'S TAKEN AWAY.
BRING ON, YEAH, HE MIGHT LOWER THE TONGUE.
SO THE PURPOSE OF, UH, OF WE BEING UP HERE IS TO INTRODUCE YOU TO OUR, UH, NEWEST CANINE HERE, ARGO.
UM, AS YOU CAN TELL, HE'S A BLACK, BLACK LAB, VERY LOUD.
UM, HE'S A YEAR AND A HALF OLD.
AND, UM, ARGO AND I WANNA MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR, ARGO IS NOT A, WHAT WE CALL A BITE DOG.
IN OTHER WORDS, UH, HE'S A LICK DOG.
SO HE, HE CAN GO PRETTY MUCH ANYWHERE IN ANY, ANY COMMUNITY CAPACITY.
AND, UH, HE'LL, HE'LL LICK EVERYBODY AND LOVE EVERYBODY TO DEATH.
HE'S A, UH, NARCOTICS TRAINED DOG.
UM, HE'S ALSO A, UM, WELL, HE WILL BE A TRACKING AND EVIDENCE RECOVERY.
IN OTHER WORDS, UH, SOMEONE, UH, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PULL OVER FOR, UH, A VIOLATION, THEY GET OUT IN THE CAR AND THEY RUN AND THEY DISCARD DRUGS OR GUNS OR WHATEVER.
HE'S GONNA BE ABLE TO TRACK THAT LITTLE KID GOES MISSING OR A SPECIAL NEEDS PERSON GOES MISSING OR ANYBODY GOES MISSING, HE'S GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT AS WELL.
SO, UH, ARGO IS, UH, HE'S THE MAN.
HE'S ALREADY, WE'RE ALL DOG LOVERS AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO HE IS, UH, HE'S, HE'S FITTING RIGHT IN.
SO, IF ANYBODY'S EVER HAD A BLACK LAB, AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE CHOSE HIM IS FOR THE REASONS THAT ARE UP ON THE BOARD HERE, UH, GOOD WITH, UH, PEOPLE JUST IN GENERAL.
HOPEFULLY THERE'S NO NARCOTICS IN THE ROOM.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S AN ALERT OR NOT.
I SHOULD HAVE GIVEN EVERYBODY THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEAVE REAL QUICK.
UM, BUT, UH, I HAVE TO SAY THAT THE, THE TRAINING, HE WAS ONE OF THE TOP IN HIS CLASS, SO, UH, HE, HE DID QUITE, QUITE WELL.
AS I ALREADY MENTIONED BEFORE, PAY ATTENTION TO OUR SOCIAL MEDIA, THE, THE TOWNSHIP, THE POLICE, AND I'M SURE THE FIRE, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO BE ALL OVER THE PLACE, UH, BECAUSE, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE'VE DISCOVERED OVER, OVER MY CAREER OF 33 YEARS IS, UM, RESIDENTS OF LOVE, MOTORCYCLES.
ANYTIME WE TAKE THE MOTORCYCLE ANYWHERE, THEY, THEY LOVE IT.
EVEN THE ADULTS LIKE TO GET ON IT, AND THEY LOVE ANIMALS.
SO, UH, HE'S GONNA BE, I THINK, VERY, VERY POPULAR AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO, TO PUTTING HIM OUT THERE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
NARCOTICS AND TRACKING EVIDENCE RECOVERY IS WHAT HE'S GONNA BE, UH, TRAINED IN NEXT.
SO THESE ARE THE TYPES OF DRUGS THAT, UH, TYPICALLY, UM, THEY'RE TRAINED IN FENTANYL, METHAMPHETAMINE, UH, HEROIN AND, AND COCAINE.
PEOPLE, I, I THINK I WAS TELLING SOMEONE EARLIER ABOUT THEY WERE ASKING ABOUT MARIJUANA.
UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF THE, THE TRAINERS NOW ARE NOT TRAINING IN THAT BECAUSE WE'RE TRENDING TOWARDS AT SOME POINT, POSSIBLY THE LEGALIZATION OF IT.
SO THEY'RE NOT EVEN WASTING TIME TRAINING FOR THAT BECAUSE IT'S SO PREVALENT ANYMORE.
I DON'T MAKE THE RULES, BUT, UM, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE MAINLY FOCUSING ON, ON THESE ITEMS. THANKS.
JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF, UH, WHY WE CONSIDERED THIS PROGRAM AND THE BOARD AND, UH, TOWNSHIP MANAGER SUPPORTED IT, UM, FIVE YEARS STATISTICS FOR US.
UH, 329 DRUG OFFENSES, UH, 62 DRUG INVESTIGATIONS, A HUNDRED MISSING PERSONS, 14 OVERDOSES.
SO, AND UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE, WE'RE TRAINING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION, SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO EVERYTHING IN ANYTHING POSSIBLE TO MINIMIZE AND TO, TO GET THE, THE DEALERS AND THE THE SELLERS OUT THERE OFF THE STREET.
JUST A COUPLE OF SLIDES ON, UM, THE SUCCESSES THAT WE'VE HAD OR NOT.
WE'VE HAD, UH, THAT OTHER AGENCY WE HAD USING K NINE, UH, THE TWO INCIDENTS THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR, MIKE, WAS IT LAST YEAR, BEEN MISSING? THEY WERE BOTH FILED BY, BY CANINES.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE OUR OWN, SO WE CAN ACTUALLY RESPOND TO THESE THINGS A LOT QUICKER INSTEAD OF CALLING FOR AN OUTSIDE AND WAITING FOR THEM TO
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ACTUALLY COME AND, UH, AND START SEARCHING NEXT.JUST ANOTHER, UH, EXAMPLE OF THAT NEXT, ANOTHER EXAMPLE, UH, SOCIAL MEDIA OUTREACH.
HAVE WE TALK ABOUT THAT? OKAY.
SO ANY CASE, LIKE I SAID, THE PURPOSE OF TODAY IS REALLY TO INTRODUCE, UM, ARGO.
THERE IS ALSO ANOTHER PERSON IN THE ROOM THAT, UM, I, I WANT TO INTRODUCE AND, AND, AND JUST KIND OF RECOGNIZE AND ASK THEM TO STAND UP.
HE'S FROM THE AAND LAND LAND DEVELOPMENT.
AS SOON AS THEY FOUND OUT THAT WE WERE CONSIDERING THIS PROGRAM, THEY RAISED THEIR HAND AND SAID, WE WANT TO DONATE.
WE WANT TO HELP IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE.
AND THEY DID JUST THAT, UH, THEM ALONG WITH THE, UH, THE HOMETOWN FOUNDATION, UH, WHICH IS ANOTHER ORGANIZATION THAT ACTUALLY MATCHES FUNDS THAT ARE RAISED.
UH, THEY'RE ANOTHER BIG SUPPORTER OF THIS PROGRAM.
AND ALSO WE HAVE WITH US TODAY.
ARGO WASN'T ALWAYS A YEAR AND A HALF.
YOU HAD TO BE FOSTERED AND CARED FOR BY, UH, FAMILIES, UH, THAT TYPICALLY DO THESE THINGS FOR THESE TYPES OF DOGS.
AND WE HAVE, IF YOU DON'T MIND STANDING UP, ARGOS FOSTERS HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE AT HIS GRADUATION, UH, LAST WEEK AND THEY'RE HERE TONIGHT.
SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU AND, AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE ALL DUCK LOVERS AND WE APPRECIATE HOW DIFFICULT FOSTERING CAN BE, BUT HOW REWARDING AS WELL.
IF YOU GUYS DON'T MIND, WE'RE GONNA STEP OUT BACK THERE AND TAKE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS MAYBE FOR SOCIAL MEDIA, RIGHT? AND, UH, GET HIS FACE OUT THERE FOR EVERYBODY TO SEE.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ARGO AT ALL? NO.
IS HE GOING TO THE POLICE STATION EVERY DAY OR WHAT'S HIS SCHEDULE LIKE? SO HIS SCHEDULE IS CORPORAL GERHARD'S, SCHEDULE
SO WHENEVER HE'S WORKING, THE DOG WILL BE WITH, WITH HIM AND HE'LL BE RUNNING AROUND THE STATION.
IF HE'S BACK TO THE STATION DOING PAPERWORK, HE'LL BE INSIDE THE STATION AND HE GOES HOME WITH HIM AS WELL.
THE TRAINING IS VERY, UH, VERY, VERY LONG.
SENT TRAINING WAS 10 WEEKS LONG, UH, EVERY DAY DRIVING TO AND FROM PHILADELPHIA AND PENN VET DOWN THERE.
UM, AND, UH, VERY RIGOROUS, BUT AGAIN, HE PERFORMED THE TOP OF HIS CLASS.
AND I'M SURE THAT YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE SOME OF HIS SUCCESSES ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
SO, UH, REQUIRED BY LAW, UM, HE HAS TO BE, UH, TRAINED, UH, AT MINIMUM 16 HOURS A MONTH.
SO TWO DAYS A MONTH, CONTINUOUS TRAINING.
UH, I HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH DOGS TRAINING ON MY PROPERTY AND PROPERTY THAT I HAVE ACCESS TO, LIKE OFFER THAT UP TO THE TOWNSHIP IS TRAINING.
UH, I HAVE 18 ACRES THAT I HAVE AND 20 ACRES THAT I LEASE FROM PICO ENERGY AS WELL AS ANOTHER 18 ACRES THAT I HAVE CONTROL THROUGH THE OWNER.
UH, THAT'S BASICALLY WOODED IN FARM FIELDS.
SO FOR TRACKING, I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER THAT UP FOR THE TRAINING IF YOU GUYS WOULD WANT TO ACCEPT THAT.
UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR TO HAVE THAT, THAT, THAT LARGE PARCEL OF LAND TO, TO WHATEVER TRAINING NEED.
THERE GIVES OUR AUDIENCE MOST OF THE PEOPLE WERE HERE FOR THE DOG.
ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE SCHEDULE.
UM, THE NEXT ONE UP IS, UH, A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING.
THIS ONE IS ABOUT THE QUEST PROPERTY.
WE KIND OF WENT OVER THAT THE PREVIOUS SUPERVISOR MEETING.
UM, THIS ONE IS UP FOR A VOTE TO SEND IT TO PLANNING, BUT I'LL, I'LL LET, UM, IT'S ABOUT TEE IT UP, ALLISON, RIGHT? GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.
SO THIS EVENING, ALLISON'S, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF HIGH TOP DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AS, UH, MS. KELSEY, YOU MENTIONED, WE WERE HERE, UM, A FEW MONTHS AGO TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT A PROPOSAL FOR, UM, REDEVELOPMENT OF THE QUEST SITE, WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE TOWNSHIP BUILDING HERE AT THE CORNER OF BLACKROCK ROAD AND ROUTE 29.
UM, AS EVERYONE KNOWS, THIS PROPERTY IS A CURRENTLY DEVELOPED PROPERTY.
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ACRES, AND IT CONTAINS, UM, A MULTI-STORY BUILDING THAT HAD BEEN USED HISTORICALLY AS, UM, OFFICE, LAB, ET CETERA, REQUEST.UM, THAT SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONED IO DISTRICT.
AND, UM,
UM, WHEN WE, AFTER WE WERE HERE, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THIS UPDATED PLAN WITH YOU, I DO HAVE WITH ME THIS EVENING DAVE LANNER FROM HIGH TOP AND HERB SCHULTZ, UM, WHO PREPARED THE PLANS IN FRONT OF YOU.
UM, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE PROCEDURAL, UM, QUICK PROCEDURAL RUNDOWN OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN.
UM, WE DID HEAR, UH, FEEDBACK FROM YOU ON THE PLAN ITSELF.
UH, WE MADE ADDITIONAL CHANGES.
WE WENT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS SUPPORTIVE, THOSE SUPPORTIVE OF THOSE CHANGES, AND SUGGESTED THAT WE FILE A FORMAL PETITION TO AMEND THE ZONING, UH, ORDINANCE FOR WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, WHICH IS NOW WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU THIS EVENING ONLY FOR OUR REQUEST TO AUTHORIZE A HEARING.
UM, BUT WE DID RECONFIGURE THE BACK OF THIS SITE, UM, AND, UH, DID TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, UH, YOUR COMMENTS AS WELL AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S COMMENTS AS PART OF OUR APPLICATION PACKAGE.
WE ALSO SUBMITTED A FISCAL IMPACT STUDY, UM, WHICH TOOK INTO ACCOUNT INITIALLY WHAT I'LL CALL THE STANDARD MODEL FOR SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT SPRING FORWARD HAS A SPECIFIC DEMOGRAPHIC MODEL AND PROJECTION.
SO WE ACTUALLY UPDATED THAT STUDY AND RESUBMITTED IT TO THE TOWNSHIP, UTILIZING THOSE SPECIFIC PROJECTIONS FOR SPRING FORWARD RATHER THAN WHAT I'LL CALL LIKE THE GENERAL MODELING.
UH, WE'VE ALSO SUBMITTED A MARKET STUDY AS IT RELATES TO THE SITE AND THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT OF THIS PROPERTY.
UM, I KNOW THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS WHEN WE WERE HERE ORIGINALLY ABOUT THE NEED FOR THIS USE OR, UH, WHAT WE WERE PROJECTING THERE THAT WAS SUBMITTED.
UM, AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON AN UPDATED, UM, TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY TO PROVIDE, UH, INFORMATION TO THE BOARD AS WELL.
BUT IT MAY MAKE SENSE IF YOU'RE INTERESTED FOR ME TO HAVE HER WALK YOU BRIEFLY THROUGH IT, UM, AND UPDATES TO WHAT WE SHOWED YOU LAST TIME.
UH, SO YEAH, WE DID THESE PLANS.
WE PRESENTED, I GUESS BACK IN MARCH.
UM, WE LISTENED TO A NUMBER OF COMMENTS AND CONCERNS, AND I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED MOST OF THEM, UH, ON THIS PLAN.
UH, THE THREE MAIN POINTS THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT TODAY, UH, THE, GENERALLY SPEAKING THE, UH, THE RETAIL ZONE SORT OF ALONG, UH, 29 BLACKROCK, THAT'S GENERALLY REMAINED THE SAME, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A RIGHT TURN IN RIGHT TURNOUT, UH, UH, CURB CUT ON BLACKROCK.
I KNOW THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT JUST WHAT'S IN.
SO HERE IS WHERE WE ARE PROPOSING A RIGHT TURN IN RIGHT TURNOUT.
SO IF YOU'RE, AS YOU'RE COMING DOWN BLACKROCK FROM 29, YOU CAN TURN IN AND CARS CAN EGRESS OUT THIS WAY.
THERE'S NO CROSS TRAFFIC, UH, MANEUVERING, UH, AT THIS CURB CUT.
UH, SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST, UH, MAIN, UH, CHANGES THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE JUST TO DEAL WITH THE INGRESS, EGRESS OF THE SITE.
UM, CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? YEAH.
SO THIS IS THE TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT.
GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS THE ONE THAT, UH, WE PRESENTED, UH, ORIGINALLY, THIS IS A PLAN FOR 76 STACKED TOWN HOMES.
UM, THE COMMENTARY THAT WE HEARD WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE DENSE.
WE WANT LESS HOUSES, WE WANT MORE GREEN SPACE, UH, BETTER, UH, AND MORE WALKABLE, UH, PEDESTRIAN PATHS.
UH, AND ADDITIONALLY, UH, THE, THE OTHER ISSUE THAT WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT WAS THE HISTORIC HOUSE HERE.
ARE WE GOING TO KEEP IT? WHAT IS THAT GOING TO BE? UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, UH, CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING, WHICH IS ALWAYS A, WHICH IS ALWAYS AN ISSUE.
SO THE PLAN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, UH, IS THE PLAN THAT WE ARE PRESENTING TONIGHT.
UM, THIS IS A DECREASE FROM, UH, 76 STACKED TOWNHOUSES HERE TO 61 STACKED TOWNHOUSES HERE.
SO THAT'S A, A DECREASE OF 15 STACKED TOWNHOUSES.
UM, WE'VE INCLUDED, UH, SOME VISITOR PARKING HERE.
AND, UH, YOU'LL SEE IN FARTHER DOWN THE PRESENTATION SOME IMAGES OF THE HISTORIC HOUSE, WHICH WE PLAN ON, UH, RENOVATING, BRINGING BACK TO ITS FORMER GLORY, UH, POTENTIALLY UTILIZING IT AS, UH, A, A, A PEDESTRIAN ACCESSED, UH, POSSIBLY A COFFEE BAR OR LIKE AN OUTDOOR, UH, GATHERING SPACE.
AND YOU'LL SEE KIND OF SOME OF, UH, RENDERINGS THAT SORT OF SHOW WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING THERE.
UH, CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE?
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UH, SO THIS IS, AGAIN, THIS IS A, AN OVERLAY THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY JUST UPDATED.SO THIS IS BASICALLY SHOWING THE EXISTING QUEST BUILDING.
AS YOU CAN SEE, MOST OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S ON THE EXISTING SITE WE'RE TRYING TO UTILIZE.
UH, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A GIANT PARKING AREA BACK HERE, WHICH WE'RE BASICALLY, UM, USING, UH, FOR, FOR HOUSING AND, AND FOR, UH, FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS.
DO YOU NEED TO EXPLAIN? NO, THANK YOU.
UH, SO AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T CHANGED A LOT OF THE PROPOSED, UH, CORNER RETAIL OR THE RETAIL ZONES, GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE'VE GOT GOOD, UM, FEEDBACK FROM ALL OF THAT.
UH, SO, BUT THIS IS BASICALLY A VIEW OF THE CORNER RETAIL FROM, UM, BASICALLY HERE'S, UH, 29 AND THEN BLACKROCK COMES AROUND THESE TREES HERE.
UH, THESE ARE JUST SOME VIEWS KIND OF SHOWING SORT OF THE, UH, PROPOSED MASSING AND, AND, AND, UH, PROPOSED TENANTS.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE THINKING OF MOST LIKELY A GROCER, UM, AND SOME LARGER JUNIOR BOX TENANTS IN THESE SPACES.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT ACROSS, ACROSS THE, THE WAY AND OUR DEVELOPMENT.
WE'D LIKE TO PICTURE THIS AS BEING A VERY PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
WE WANNA HAVE A LOT OF OUTDOOR SEATING LOCKED OR, UH, OF OUTDOOR ACTIVATED SPACES.
UM, IDEALLY A RESTAURANT, A COUPLE OF, UH, UH, SMALLER RESTAURANTS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ENTRANCE.
UH, SO THAT'S KIND OF, THESE ARE JUST IMAGES SHOWING, UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING THERE NEXT, I GUESS.
UH, SO THESE ARE JUST SOME VIEWS OF THE TOWNHOUSES AND KIND OF WHAT THE LOOK AND FEEL WOULD BE.
UH, SO THIS IS A VIEW, UM, THIS IS BASICALLY THIS CLUSTER OF TOWNHOUSES FACING THE PARK CURRENTLY.
SO WE, UM, ARE GONNA, YOU KNOW, THE PLAN IS TO IMPLEMENT A LOT OF WALKING PATHS THROUGHOUT THIS SPACE, AGAIN, TO SORT OF BRING, UH, MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY ACCESS, UH, TO THIS SITE.
UM, THIS IS A VIEW FROM BASICALLY THE, WHAT I WOULD CALL LIKE THE, THE JUNIOR BOX GROCERY PARKING AREA.
THE IDEA IS THAT WE'RE GONNA KEEP AS MUCH TREE COVERAGE HERE AS POSSIBLE, REALLY SEPARATING THE TWO USES.
UH, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT AT THE INITIAL, UH, PRESENTATION WAS, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF OF INTRODUCING THIS RESIDENTIAL SOFTER USE AS A BUFFER ZONE BETWEEN THE LARGER RETAIL AND, UH, THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING AND, AND, AND THE PARK.
UH, AND THEN AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST SOME OTHER AREAS, UH, JUST TO SHOW LOTS OF PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY, OUTDOOR SEATING, YOU KNOW, UH, BALCONIES, LOTS OF, UH, UH, UH, ACTIVATED SPACES NEXT.
SO THESE ARE THE VIEWS THAT WE PRODUCED FOR THE HISTORIC HOUSE.
UM, JUST TO ORIENT YOU, SO HERE'S A VIEW SORT OF COMING DOWN, UH, BLACKROCK, LOOKING BACK AT THE SITES ON YOUR LEFT, THIS IS A VIEW SORT OF ACROSS THE STREET OF THE EXISTING HOUSE.
SO THESE ARE A SERIES OF TOWNHOUSES AND WALKWAYS WALKING UP TO WHERE THE, UH, THE HISTORIC HOUSE IS.
AND THEN HERE'S A THREE QUARTER SORT OF SHOT KIND OF SHOWING, YOU KNOW, THE OUTDOOR SEATING SPACE.
THIS, THIS ACTUALLY CONNECTS TO AN EXISTING WALKWAY.
HERE IS AN EXISTING SIDEWALK ON, UH, BLACKROCK THAT WE WOULD BASICALLY TERMINATE INTO THIS SPACE.
THE IDEA OF BEING THAT THIS COULD BE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN STOP, GET COFFEE, UH, IF THEY'RE GOING FOR WALKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I THINK THAT MIGHT BE IT NEXT PUBLIC FIRST.
UM, WHEN YOU HAVE A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS, UH, WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE HISTORICALLY FOR RENTALS ROAD VERSUS PEOPLE WHO BUY? DO YOU HAVE ANY INDICATION INDICATORS OF THAT? I MEAN, FROM A, FROM A, UM, SORT OF A BASE PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD SAY THESE, THESE PROPOSED TOWNHOUSES ARE PROPOSED AS FOR SALE UNITS.
THEY'RE NOT PROPOSED AS RENTAL UNITS.
UM, TYPICALLY MOST, UM, DEVELOPERS WILL RESTRICT OF COURSE.
I MEAN, YOU COULD OWN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND, AND RUN IT OUT.
BUT, UM, THIS WOULD HAVE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION.
AND TYPICALLY THERE IS A LEASE RESTRICTION IN YOUR HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION DOCUMENTS THAT PREVENT ANYTHING FROM A LESS THAN A ONE YEAR LEASE.
UM, THERE ARE SOME RESTRICTIONS OTHERWISE AS IT RELATES TO FINANCING AND SOME, SOME TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENTS TEND TO PUT THOSE IN JUST TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN MEET, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE FHA MORTGAGE REQUIREMENTS.
BUT TYPICALLY, BUT THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL WOULD BE A FOR SALE PRODUCT.
IT WOULD NOT BE A RENTAL PRODUCT.
ARE WE STILL MICROPHONE PLEASE? SORRY.
THIS IS REGARDING TO THIS PROJECT.
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UM, FIRST I'M HEARING OF THIS, UH, ALTHOUGH I DO BELIEVE IT'S PROBABLY THE BEST REPURPOSED REPURPOSING OF THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY 'CAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED.WHAT I WOULD HAVE A ISSUE WITH IS ANY WHATSOEVER TYPE OF BIG BOX TYPE STORE, WE HAVE A BIG BOX TYPE STORE IN UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER BY BEST BUY, THAT IS STILL UNOCCUPIED, SMALLER UNITS OFFERING MORE AND MORE DIVERSITY, SMALLER UNITS, MORE OFFERING MORE OPTIONS, UH, WOULD PROBABLY OBEY A BETTER CHOICE AS OPPOSED TO A BIG BOX TYPE EFFORT.
UM, WE HAVE THAT ACROSS ACROSS THE HIGHWAY.
UM, LET'S MAKE THIS MORE PERSONAL.
LET'S MAKE THIS A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
AND I THINK, AND I WANT TO ASK ALLISON, IT WAS A GREEN GROCER, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT THEY, YOU WERE THINKING OF PUTTING IN THERE A GROCER, BUT GROCER A POTENTIAL GROCER TENANT.
AND I, I'M ASSUMING THIS IS ALREADY ESTABLISHED AND OH, I, I WOULDN'T ASSUME ANYTHING
WELL, I, I MEAN, EMPTY SPACE IS MY CONCERN.
UH, DAVE LANCE GRONER, I'M THE DEVELOPER OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH A, A BROKER FROM MSC RETAIL, UH, FOR THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS.
AND WE HAVE BONAFIDE LOIS FROM MULTIPLE TENANTS.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO DO A HOME DEPOT OR A BIG BRO BIG BOX, WHAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER, UH, YOU KNOW, WALMART OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE'RE LOOKING TO DO SPECIALTY GROCER AND OTHER COMPLIMENTARY, UM, RETAIL USES AND THE, THE SPACE AT THE YEP.
WE'RE GOING TO BE SMALL SHOP SPACE, THAT'S LIKE 24,000 SQUARE FEET, GIVE OR TAKE OF SMALL BOUTIQUEY TYPE, SMALL WALKABLE RETAIL, NOT YOUR TRADITIONAL BIG BOX OR, OR JUNIOR ANCHOR.
WHAT'S ON THE CORNER IN THE, THAT'S ALL RETAIL.
THAT CAN JUST BE, THEY CAN BE SPLIT UP INTO, YOU KNOW, 1200, 1500, 2000, 4,000 SQUARE FOOT, UM, SPACES.
AND THEN WHAT'S THE PRICE POINT FOR THE CONDOS? SO THOSE ARE WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER, UM, ATTAINABLE HOUSING.
SO THEY'RE GONNA BE HIGH THREES TO MID FOURS DEPENDING ON THE UNIT, WHETHER YOU'RE LOWER OR UPPER, AND WHERE THE POSITION IS ON THE SITE.
AND YOU SAID YOU CUT DOWN ON THE NUMBER? IT WAS 77 76 AND WE, WE DROPPED DOWN TO 61.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT SUCH A DROP, BUT I GUESS YOU'RE HITTING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
UM, I LIKE THE USE OF THE OLD HOUSE TO SAY THAT.
THANK YOU FOR SAVING IT AND TURNING IT INTO SOMETHING USEFUL.
I LIKE THE LITTLE COFFEE SHOP THERE AND TO THE TRAILS.
YEAH, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THIS AS WALKABLE AS POSSIBLE.
UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY GOOD CONNECTION FROM THE TOWNSHIP BUILDING AND THE PARKS STRAIGHT INTO, UH, THE RETAIL SHOPPING.
AND THEN THERE'LL BE THREE WAYS TO COME IN AND OUT.
THE ONE NEAR THE APARTMENT, THE ONE CORRECT ON THE BLACKROCK, AND THEN THERE'S ONE ON 29.
AND THAT'S A FOUR-WAY, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
SO THAT INFRASTRUCTURE'S THERE.
AND I BELIEVE JEFF, UM, THE TOWNSHIP ALREADY HAS MONEY SET ASIDE TO DO ADDITIONAL WORK THERE.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT WHAT THE SCOPE OF THAT IS, BUT WE HAVE A BRAND TO, UM, ANTHONY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE HAVE A GRANT TO, YOU HEARD THE SPAN WIRES THAT DO RUN RIGHT AND MAKE THEM MIDDLE MASK ARMS. IT'S A GREENLAKE GO GRANT.
AND AS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, THERE IS SOME PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY, ISN'T THERE, ANTHONY? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
THERE, THERE'S, UM, NO PROVISIONS FOR A DA RAMPS OR CROSSWALKS AT THE TIME, BUT THE SIGNAL IS GONNA BE MODIFIED TO ACCOMMODATE FUTURE CONNECTIONS NOW THAT WE'RE UPGRADING FROM SPAN WIRE, MASS ARM, LIKE YOU SAID.
AND, AND THAT'S TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO CROSS 29.
SO THE, AS PART OF THE GRANT WE'RE THE, THE, UM, OVERHEAD WIRING THAT'S BEING CHANGED TO MASS ARMS IN THE NEW SIGNAL.
UM, THERE'S WIRING GONNA BE SET IN PLACE IN THE EVENT THERE'S A FUTURE CONNECTION SO THAT YOU DON'T DISREGARD IT AND THEN THE ROAD GETS RIPPED UP FOR WIRING IN THE FUTURE.
SO IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE SET UP TO ACCOMMODATE FUTURE CONNECTIONS SHOULD ONE BE PROVIDED IN THE FUTURE.
BILL CROSSING 29, THERE'S THAT DEVELOPMENT ON 29, YOU SAY THAT'S THAT'S GOTTA BE A LONG RED THAT TO GET CROSSED.
2020, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ALREADY RUN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 22.
AND SO THAT, THAT WOULD REQUIRE SIGNAL RETIMING AND THAT SORT OF THING.
I WONDER IF WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
LIKE THERE'S THAT DEVELOPMENT THERE IN THE CORNER.
IT'D BE NICE IF THEY CAN WALK AND I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS THAT AS WE GET THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, WE WILL DEFINITELY BE WORKING TOWARDS.
WE KNOW THE TOWNSHIP'S GOALS, WE KNOW OUR STAFF
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GOALS ARE, ARE TO HAVE THAT CONNECTION TO MAKE IT PEDESTRIAN SAFE.I SEE PEOPLE WALKING FROM THIS PARK TO THE, TO THE TOWNHOUSES AND THE HOUSES OVER THERE ALL THE TIME, YOU KNOW, IN THE EARLY EVENING.
AND, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CREATE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT AND WE WILL GET THERE.
I MEAN, WE CAN'T, THIS IS REALLY JUST SORT OF PROOF OF CONCEPT, NOT EVEN AT THAT POINT THEN THIS IS REALLY JUST ZONING AT THIS POINT.
NO, WE WANT, WE, WE WANT THE SAME THING.
AND WE'VE HEARD MULTIPLE TIMES OVER THE MEETINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN HERE THAT PEOPLE TAKE PRIDE IN THE WALKABILITY AND THE BIKING AND HAVING THAT ASPECT.
SO WE WANT THAT TO BE PART OF THIS AS WELL.
ONE THING WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST MEETING WAS, UH, THIS PLANT WILL YIELD A MORE OUS SPACE OUS SURFACE THAN WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE TODAY.
DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT EXACT PERCENTAGE IS? UH, I THINK SO.
UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXISTING IS.
IT'S KIND OF HARD TO FIGURE OUT WITH GOOGLE EARTH.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UH, FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT, WE'RE WELL BELOW.
WE'RE AT ABOUT 61% IMPERVIOUS BASED ON THE CURRENT PLAN.
UH, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S LESS THAN WHAT'S, WHAT'S EXISTING THERE TODAY WITH THE PARKING LOT AND IT'S CLOSE.
I I DON'T KNOW PERCENTAGE WISE WHAT THE EXISTING IS EXACTLY.
IT'S LIKE I SAID, IN UH, INITIALLY WE'RE REUTILIZING ALMOST ALL OF THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE FROM A, UH, VEHICULAR CI CIRCULATION STANDPOINT.
UM, THE PARKING, THE, UH, THE PARKING FIELD THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS GOING KIND OF WHERE THE BUILDING IS.
UM, THE TOWNHOUSES ARE GOING MOSTLY ACTUALLY ON THE NEW PLAN.
UH, WE'RE PICKING UP SOME GREEN SPACE ACTUALLY.
YEAH, WE'RE PICKING UP GREEN SPACE ON THIS SECTION OF THE PROPERTY.
IS THAT DESCRIBED IN THE TEXT AMENDMENT, JEFF OR JEFF, WHAT? THE PER MOUNT IMPERVIOUS SPACE, UH, YIELDED BY THIS CLAIM.
AND THEY HAVE, AFTER THEY ENGINEER, THEY'LL KNOW THERE'S HARD NUMBERS RIGHT NOW AT THE ZONING CHANGE LEVEL.
THEY DON'T HAVE AN HARD ENGINEERED EVERYTHING YET.
BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT GETS INTO THE, THE TEXT OF THE ZONING EVENT.
BECAUSE IF, IF WE DO THESE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A BUNCH OF THESE REDEVELOPMENTS COME AND THIS IS GONNA BE HUGE FOR ME ANYWAY, THAT WE DON'T REDUCE PERVIEW SPACE IN PERGA SURFACE IN THE TOWNSHIP.
ANYBODY ELSE? IS THERE ANY ASK FOR, UH, GAS PUMPS IN THIS PROJECT? NO.
THE, THE ONE OTHER THING I CAN CLARIFY, THERE WERE, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT WHAT WE ARE SHOWING SOME DRIVE-THROUGHS WITH SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL ASPECTS.
SO I DID WANNA CLARIFY THAT ONE OF OUR PROPOSALS IN THE ZONING TEXTS THAT WE SUBMITTED IS ACTUALLY TO CREATE A FAST CASUAL CATEGORY BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN CONCERN EXPRESSED THAT, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE CENTER, THE TOWNSHIP DOES NOT WANT THE CENTER TO TURN INTO LIKE WENDY'S, BURGER KING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO THERE IS ACTUALLY, UM, AND I WILL GIVE CREDIT TO MR. GRACE FOR POINTING ME IN THE DIRECTION OF VARIOUS CATEGORIES THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY USE, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT CONSIDERED FAST FOOD.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED HERE.
WOULD IT STILL BE DRIVE THROUGH? THERE'S STILL, I MEAN, EVEN YOUR FAST CASUAL, YOU KNOW, UP MORE UPSCALE.
EVERYBODY WANTS DRIVE THROUGHS THESE DAYS.
PARTICULARLY, I WOULD SAY POST PANDEMIC, I THINK THAT'S JUST BECOME PART OF THE NORM.
UM, EVEN LIKE SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS A STARBUCKS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY GENERALLY LIKE TO HAVE THAT AS AN OPTION DEPENDING ON THE PROTOTYPE AND WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE LOCATED.
SO, WELL, JEFF, WE CURRENTLY DON'T ALLOW DRIVE-THROUGHS IN THE TOWN CENTER, PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER OVER HERE.
WE ALLOW THEM, EXCUSE ME, THEY ARE ALLOWED ON THE, UM, WITH THE BANK THAT WAS, THAT HAS WITH TWO BANKS, THEY HAVE DRIVE-THROUGHS.
THERE'S NO PROVISION FOR A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT.
THERE'S NO DEFINITION OF A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT IN THAT, IN THAT DEVELOPMENT TYPE.
SO I I THINK A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH JUST THE LAYOUT OF PROVIDENCE TENANT CENTER.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF WE ALLOW IT HERE, IT WON'T TRANSFER ACROSS.
ARE WE IN TWO DIFFERENT NO, I MEAN WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE OWNERS OF PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER RECENTLY, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO, WE ADMIT THAT THEIR ZONING IS, IS ABOUT 10 YEARS OLD NOW, 10 TO 15 YEARS OLD.
AND IF THEY WANNA LOOK AT IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR DEVELOPMENT STAYS MODERN, STAYS COMPETITIVE, WE CERTAINLY CAN.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM DRIVE THROUGHS, YOU KNOW, OUT OF THE BOX.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO CONSIDER IF THEY COME TO US WITH A PROPOSAL.
NOW SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE DON'T SEE HERE IS WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE LOOKING AT DESIGN GUIDELINES.
AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AS PART OF THIS ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT, BUT USING THROUGH DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT THEY AGREE TO, WE WILL REALLY KEEP THE SHOPPING CENTER OR THE RETAIL PORTION OF THIS LOCKED DOWN TO A STYLE FOR, FOR EVER BASICALLY.
SO THAT, SO THAT WE CAN REALLY LIMIT SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE DON'T WANT IN THERE.
AND I HATE TO CAST THIS VERSIONS TO ANY RETAIL SITE OVER ANY OTHER, BUT LET'S SAY WE LIKE STARBUCKS AND WE DON'T LIKE DUNKING DONUTS.
YOU, YOU CAN KIND OF WRITE THOSE.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT ASKING THIS PERSON.
I'M JUST USING TWO EXAMPLES OF, OF OF SIMILAR LAND USE.
YOU CAN SAY COFFEE SHOP AND THEY BOTH QUALIFY.
BUT WHEN YOU START TO TALK ABOUT DESIGN GUIDELINES AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT LIMIT IT,
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DUNKING DONUTS TENDS TO FALL BY THE WAYSIDE AND STARBUCKS MAY COMMIT OR THE OPPOSITE, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT, THAT WILL WORK IN THE DEVELOPMENT AS WE PROGRESS THROUGH THIS PROCESS.ARE YOU SAYING I LIKE, I LIKE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN STARBUCKS AND DUNKIN DONUTS.
IT'S NOT A COMMENTARY ON THE ACTUAL COFFEE.
I PREFER WATER SHOULD BE PERFECTLY CLEAR.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A SAFE THING.
ANY OTHER, OH, DO YOU WANNA COME FORWARD? UM, WE, WE DON'T USUALLY DO THIS, BUT WE START IT.
SO IT SEEMS THAT, UM, IN OUR TOWNSHIP WE HAVE MULTIPLE PROJECTS, RIGHT? FOR DEVELOPMENT OF NEW RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
UM, I THINK I WAS WONDERING, YOU KNOW, CAN WE TAKE A STEP BACK AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AND ASK THE QUESTION, HAVE, HAS ANYBODY DONE THE RESEARCH OR LOOKED AT, AT THE NUMBERS OF THE IMPACT OF WHAT THIS WOULD COST TO OUR SCHOOLS? I THINK SPRINGPORT RIGHT NOW IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY, IF WE'RE NOT THE MOST POPULOUS WITH THE LARGEST STUDENT POPULATION, UH, SCHOOL DISTRICT IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY, WE'RE NOT THE MOST POPUL.
WE WE'RE AT THE VERY, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE TOP ONES.
UM, THERE'S ABOUT SIX TO 700 KIDS PER, PER GRADE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE KEEP BRINGING IN MORE UNIT, MORE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MULTIPLE PROJECTS, RIGHT? BEING PLANNED AND DISCUSSED RIGHT NOW, DO WE HAVE THE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY MORE STUDENTS ARE WE INTRODUCING INTO OUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS? ARE WE OVERCROWDING THE SYSTEM? ARE WE, UH, DO WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO ABSORB ALL THOSE STUDENTS COMING IN? SO, AND NOT JUST FOR THESE, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING ON, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FUTURE PROJECTS.
DO WE KEEP THAT IN MIND? SO, UM, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE GREAT QUESTIONS, MRS. WOO.
IN FACT, WE HAD A, UM, 10 YEAR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MEETINGS.
WAS IT THIS WEEK LAST? YEAH, WE COULD GO RECENTLY.
UM, AND WE'RE GONNA BE, AND ONE OF THE MEETINGS COMING FORWARD, WE'RE GONNA REVIEW SOME OF THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT DATA THAT HAS TO BE LOOKED AT AS FAR AS HOW MUCH IS LEFT TO LEFT TO DEVELOP AND WHAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT DO WE WANT TO HAVE.
THERE'S NOT MUCH LEFT IN THE TOWNSHIP TO DEVELOP.
UM, BUT THERE IS AREAS THAT MAYBE NEED TO BE RECONSIDERED AND CHANGE WHAT, WHAT WE'RE PLANNING.
UM, YOU KNOW, BILL, BILL MENTIONED DURING THE MEETING, AND I THINK IT'S RECORDED, RECORDED, SO YOU CAN GO BACK AND WATCH IT, BUT AGAIN, WE'LL, OH, IT'S NOT RECORDED, BUT WE WILL HAVE MINUTES FROM IT.
WE'LL HAVE MINUTES FROM, YEAH, WE'LL HAVE MINUTES FROM IT.
SO, SO YEAH, THOSE ARE VERY IMPORTANT QUESTIONS AND THAT'S IT.
AND YOU HEAR THE 10 YEAR PLAN COME UP PRETTY OFTEN AND IT'S, UH, IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO.
AND, AND THE PLAN IS TO HAVE THE NEXT DRAFT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DISCUSSED AT, I THINK THE MIDDLE MEETING IN JULY.
I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THAT'S THE 15TH OR 17TH OR 19TH.
WE'RE CANCELING THE THIRD BECAUSE IT'S THE DAY BEFORE THE HOLIDAY.
BUT THEN THE SECOND MEETING IN JULY, WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE CONCLUSIONS THAT THIS BOARD CAME TO, THE CONCLUSIONS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS COME TO.
WE'RE PUTTING THOSE ALL IN TEXT FORM AND WE'RE GONNA PRESENT THOSE AND WORK THROUGH SOME OF THE ACTION ITEMS AND THE IMPACTS TO WHAT THE DIRECTION THEY WANT.
THE, THIS BOARD AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS DETENTION.
I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING TOO, JEFF, AND CORRECT ME HERE 'CAUSE I MIGHT NOT HAVE THE DATA, RIGHT.
IS THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT TO DEVELOP, OUR POPULATION OF STUDENTS ISN'T GONNA INCREASE THE WAY IT HAS PREVIOUSLY? IT ALMOST SORT OF FLAT LINES A LITTLE BIT.
I MEAN, YOU WILL SEE SOME IMPACTS AS SOME DEVELOPMENTS COME IN AND SOME DEVELOPMENTS TURN OVER.
OUR POPULATION, THE SPRING FORWARD REPORT THAT I KNOW SOME PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE DON'T AGREE WITH, BUT THE SPRING FORWARD REPORT THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US SORT OF GENERALLY SAYS THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT THE POPULATION AND OUR POPULATION IS, IS AGING, IS AGING.
THE, THE MAJORITY OF OUR POPULATION IN THIS TOWNSHIP NOW IS BETWEEN 45 AND 65, AND THERE'S A LOW SPOT BETWEEN 25 AND 35, 20, 25 AND 40.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT'S THE POPULATION THAT WOULD BE BRINGING IN THE YOUNGER KIDS THAT WE DON'T HAVE, WE'RE NOT BRINGING IN RIGHT NOW THAT A LOT OF OUR KIDS ARE OLDER AND HITTING THE TOP PORTION, HITTING THE, THE HIGHEST PORTIONS OF, OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT NUMBERS.
SO FROM THE DATA IT CAN BE SEEN THAT IT'S PLATEAUING.
YEAH, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE MORE.
THERE'S RARELY EVER IS IT LESS? IT'S JUST, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A SCHOOL DISTRICT LIKE SPRING FORWARD THAT'S SO POPULAR.
OUR, OUR HOUSES SELL AND OUR HOUSES SELL QUICKLY AND, AND THEY TURN OVER.
SO THERE IS SOME, THERE'S ALWAYS A CON THERE'S A PLATEAU.
IT'S, IT'S NOT GOING DOWN AND IT'S NOT GOING EXPONENTIAL.
LIKE IT WAS IN THE EARLY NINETIES WHEN WE HAD A 50% GROWTH RATE BETWEEN 99 AND 2000 OR 38% GROWTH RATE BETWEEN 2000 AND, AND 2010.
BETWEEN 2010 AND 2020, WE ONLY HAD A, I'M SORRY IF I'M GETTING THIS WRONG, 14 OR 18% GROWTH.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT OUR POPULATION JUST ISN'T THERE ANYMORE.
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BRINGING THE NEW PEOPLE IN NOW.WE ALWAYS HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR, IT DOESN'T FEEL THAT WAY THOUGH.
WE ALWAYS HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR WHAT LIMERICK DOES, BUT WE CAN'T CONTROL WHAT LIMERICK DOES.
SO THAT AFFECTS OBVIOUSLY ALL OF US AS PEOPLE IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BECAUSE THEY CONTRIBUTE AS WELL.
SO THERE'S A WAY TO PULL THAT DATA, RIGHT? THERE'S MM-HMM,
UM, YOU CAN HAVE MY EMAIL HERE IF YOU WANT TO, UM, DROP, DROP ME A LINE.
AND I CAN, I CAN GET YOU THOSE DRAFTS.
AND YOU CAN LOOK AT, IT'S A LITTLE ROUGH RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M, I'M WORKING ON REWRITING AND EDITING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING THERE WITH IT AND WE CAN THANK YOU.
UM, I'M JUST, IS THIS PROPERTY ZONED FOR HOUSING OR IS IT JUST FOR, IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED INSTITUTIONAL OFFICE.
WHICH IS WHERE QUEST WAS BUILT UNDER.
WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS THE COMMUNITY REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH IS THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT AS TARGET AND GIANT OFF OF RIDGE PIKE.
THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE THAT THAT ZONING DISTRICT IS IN PLACE RIGHT NOW.
WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE MODIFYING THAT DISTRICT, THAT DISTRICT IS REALLY 20 TO 25 YEARS OLD, WRITTEN FOR SOME OLD DEVELOPMENT AND MAKING IT A COMBINATION SO THAT YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO BUILD SOME RESIDENTIAL BASED ON CERTAIN PARAMETERS, SIZE, LOCATION, ROADWAYS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S FOR
SO WHAT IF GLASGOW SELLS? WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT THAT? WHAT'S THE LASOW ACROSS THE STREET? LAO? WELL, THEY HAVE TO COME THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS AND ALL THE ZONING RETAINED, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PUSH THROUGH? THAT'S WHAT ZONING IS.
ZONING IS A NO, I THAT DOCUMENT THAT.
I KNEW THAT TALKING ABOUT MORE HOUSES AND EVERYTHING.
IS THAT CORRECT? AGAIN, AS WE DISCUSSED AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MEETING, THERE IS A, THERE IS A RATIONALE TO REDEVELOP SOME OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE OFFICE THAT'S GOING TO SIT EMPTY.
YOU REQUEST, YOU'RE NO LONGER REQUEST.
ALL OF THOSE EMPLOYEES ARE NOT PAYING ANY THE EARNED INCOME TAX AT THIS POINT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE, THAT'S A SOURCE, THAT'S NOT A SOURCE OF REVENUE FOR THE TOWNSHIP ANYMORE.
THE TOWNSHIP STILL NEEDS TO GENERATE REVENUE FOR THESE VACANT PROPERTIES.
IF THESE VACANT PROPERTIES DON'T DEVELOP OR REDEVELOP, THEN THAT TAX MONEY NEEDS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE LOOK AT IT AND SAY, IS THIS A VIABLE OPTION? AND IN THIS CASE, MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION IS THAT IT IS, THIS IS WHAT THE BOARD NEEDS TO WEIGH IN AT THE HEARING TO SAY IF THEY'RE COMFORTABLE ENOUGH WITH THE ZONING HAS IT'S WRITTEN TO LET THE PROPERTY REDEVELOP IN THIS MANNER.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MEETING WAS GOOD.
SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT THE MEETING MINUTES.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU WANT TO DEVELOP THE DENSITY AND THE RETAIL AND THE SHOPPING ALONG 4 22.
BILL MADE THIS POINT DURING THE MEETING AND I, AND I AGREE WITH THEM.
SO KEEPING, YOU DON'T WANT IT SPREADING OUT WHERE WE'RE ALL R ONE.
YOU GET, YOU GET SO FAR AWAY FROM THE CORRIDOR, IT GETS RESIDENTIAL AND IT'S R ONE AND YOU GET INTO FIGHTS LIKE PARKHOUSE BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO JAM DENSITY INTO WHERE EVERYBODY IS R ONE TODAY.
AND THAT'S THE BIG, THAT'S THE HEARTBURN.
YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT THIS, JEFF'S RIGHT, THIS IS A, THIS IS A, A PLOT OF LAND THAT'S SITTING THERE.
I ACTUALLY REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VIEW AND TALK THROUGH THIS BEFORE IT EVEN GOES DOWN AND STARTS THE PATH.
I MEAN, WHAT THIS PLAN ON THE RIGHT'S MUCH NICER THAN WHAT YOU ORIGINALLY HAD, UH, HAD SHOWN TO US.
SO I YOU YOU LISTENED TO US, YOU, YOU CAME BACK WITH SOMETHING NICE THAT'S NOT FINALIZED, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT COULD EASILY TURN INTO NO, I, THAT'S I'M ASKING APARTMENTS.
YOU WANTED TO BE NICE RETAIL SHOPS THERE, RIGHT ON 29 PEOPLE CAN GET OFF THE ROAD, GET BACK ON, THEY'RE NOT DRIVING AROUND OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND AT THE SAME TIME IT'S HELPING, HELPING DRIVE REVENUE.
SMART DEVELOPMENT IS KIND OF THE KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, TRYING TO GET TO.
AND AS, AS YOU LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU START SAYING, WHERE ARE THESE AREAS? RIGHT? AND WHAT, WHAT SHOULD THEY BE? WHAT ARE THEY TODAY? WHAT SHOULD THEY BE? WHAT SHOULDN'T THEY BE? RIGHT.
AND THAT'S WHERE THAT POLITIC NO, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT ABOUT THE SHOPPING CENTERS AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST, ALRIGHT, SO YOU WENT DOWN TO 66 HOUSES.
I MEAN, IS THIS GLASS CAKE, YOU KNOW, MAKE MORE SHOPPING CENTERS AND THERE MORE HOUSES AND THEN EVERY PLAT THAT'S OPEN OVER THERE.
WELL, WELL, SO I, I THINK THAT'S ONE THOSE THINGS I, NO, I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS.
WE, WE ALSO HAD A MEETING THIS WEEK WITH, WITH THE, THE DEVELOPER OF THE OWNER GREEN BARN OF PFIZER DOW.
THEY SIGNED DOW FOR ANOTHER 10 YEARS.
THEY'RE LOOKING TO SIGN PFIZER FOR A 10 TO 12 YEAR LEASE.
ALL WE CAN DO IS ENCOURAGE THAT DEVELOPMENT AND WORK WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DEVELOPMENT STAYS.
I'VE HAD NUMEROUS MEETINGS WITH GLAXO AND I ENCOURAGE THEM TO WORK WITH US AND TO KEEP THAT DEVELOPMENT AS, AS BEST WE CAN.
I CAN'T PREDICT THE PHARMA MARKET.
I CAN'T PREDICT WHEN A DEVELOPER'S, WHEN SOMETHING LIKE GLAXO MIGHT GO AWAY.
I COULDN'T PREDICT WHEN QUEST WAS GOING TO GO AWAY.
WE HAVE A LOT OF OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT ARE LIKELY TO BE EMPTY.
WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO? AT THE TIME THE BOARD SAID
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WE'RE TOO CLOSE TO COVID, LET'S WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.WE START TALKING ABOUT IT AGAIN.
WE SEE WHERE WE ARE POST COVID AND WE SAY IT IS TIME TO LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO TO ENSURE THAT THESE ARE REVENUE GENERATED PROPERTIES.
I WAS JUST ASKING TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
WELL, AGAIN, I I HAVE, I DON'T SPEAK FOR ABSOLUTELY.
NO, NO, I'M JUST SAYING I'M GIVING AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED.
WE KNOW OFFICE AND WE KNOW HYBRID'S NOT GOING AWAY.
SOME PEOPLE, PHILADELPHIA IS FORCING EVERYBODY BACK IN.
I JUST SAW IT ON THE, BEFORE I CAME HERE.
EVERYBODY THAT WORKS FOR PHILADELPHIA GOING BACK TO THE OFFICE.
BUT OFFICE SPACE IS GOING TO SIT EMPTY.
BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT LABORATORIES, YOU TALK ABOUT ENGINEERING FIRMS, YOU TALK ABOUT MANUFACTURING SITES, PEOPLE HAVE TO BE THERE TO DO THAT.
CLACO IS A LABORATORY ENVIRONMENT AND WE WERE ALLOWED TO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT QUEST WAS, I'M GUESSING IT WAS PURELY OFFICE SPACE.
SO THERE'S A RISK IN SOME OF THIS AND, AND LESS DOW CHEMICAL, I, I FORGET WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT THEY JUST
I JUST WANTED TO JUST SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON.
ONE MORE
UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT THIS IS, UM, AN AREA THAT IS GETTING REDEVELOPED AND IT, FROM WHAT I SEE, IT LOOKS REALLY NICE AND I APPRECIATE THAT THEY CUT DOWN THE NUMBER OF TOWN HOMES AND I, IT'S 25%, SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS A HEFTY SUM IN JUST ONE ITERATION OF COMING BACK AND, AND YOU ASKING FOR THEM TO CUT IT DOWN AND THEY CUT IT DOWN 25%.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED ANOTHER BANK.
JUST, UH, SOMETHING THAT I LAUGH AT IS KIND OF LAUGHABLE.
MY NEIGHBOR WENT TO A BANK AND THEY SAID WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY HERE.
UH, SO I DON'T, I WOULD QUESTION THAT.
UM, BUT I, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I'M VERY HAPPY TO SEE THIS.
THE OTHER THING I WONDERED IS DOES THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT REFLECT THIS PLAN? I MEAN, IS IT, DOES IT TOTALLY REFLECT IT OR IS IT NOT? DOES IT HAVE SOME WIGGLE ROOM AND IT, IT'S LIKE, COULD BE, COULD BE UP TO 80 TO HOW TOWN HOMES? I'M JUST WONDERING IF THE LANGUAGE AND THE INTENT OF YOUR ZONING TAX AMENDMENT IS REPRESENTED HERE IN THE PLAN.
YEAH, AND THIS IS THE LAST THING I THINK, RIGHT? IF YOU SAY 66, IT'S GONNA BE 66.
I MEAN, ESSENTIALLY THE WAY THE ZONING IS CRAFTED, UM, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL ITSELF, FIRST OF ALL, YOU NEED TO HAVE A PROPERTY THAT QUALIFIES UNDER YOUR COMMERCIAL AND REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER DISTRICT, WHICH DOES HAVE A MINIMUM TRACT AREA TO BEGIN WITH.
UM, AND THEN THERE ARE TWO SETS OF VERY BULK REQUIREMENTS FOR COMMUNITY SHOPPING CENTER VERSUS REGIONAL.
WE'RE NOT MEETING REGIONAL REQUIREMENTS.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THE REGIONAL CENTER.
I THINK THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION ABOUT THE BIG BOX EARLIER.
'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY THE TYPE OF CENTER THAT WOULD'VE BEEN WHAT THEY CALL A POWER CENTER BACK IN THE DAY.
UM, AND THEN OUR, OUR RESIDENTIAL PART IS, UM, LIMITED TO EIGHT ACRES AND WHAT WE'RE SHOWING THERE, ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE DRIVEN BY AREA BULK REQUIREMENTS AS TO WHAT YOU COULD FIT ON THE SITE.
SO, UM, THIS HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO MATCH, UH, WHAT'S, WHAT'S UP THERE.
I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD BE REALLY PHYSICALLY ABLE TO FIT ANYTHING ELSE.
AND, AND WE CAN, THE AREA IN BULK, YOU KNOW, IF THEY SAY 66 UNITS AND THE MATH TECHNICALLY UNDER THE ORDINANCE WOULD ALLOW 67 UNITS.
WE, WE'VE RESTRICTED OTHER JOBS, THE NUMBER OF UNITS JUST THROUGH DEED RESTRICTIONS FROM PLAN APPROVAL.
SO THERE'S, IF THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT THEY SAY, THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT YOU GONNA GET.
I KNOW THAT WAS A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED AN ANSWER, BUT THERE ARE A FEW LAYERS TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE DIS OR THE ZONING DISTRICT I SHOULD SAY.
SO THIS VOTE IS TO DESCENDED TO PLANNING.
SO, UM, DOES ANYBODY STILL BE, WANT TO PASS THE MOTION? WELL, I JUST WANT TO, JEFF, DO YOU HAVE, UH, TIME BETWEEN NOW AND JUNE 17TH TO GET THIS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION? YES, IT'S, IT, IT, IT IS TIGHT TO ADVERTISE, BUT WE, WE WORKED OUT THE MATH.
ALRIGHT, THAT'S THE CASE IS WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE AND YEP.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON JUNE 17TH, 2024 AT 7:00 PM TO CONSIDER A PROPOSED ZONING TEXT AND MAC AMENDMENT SUBMITTED BY HIGH TOP DEVELOPMENT FOR THE QUEST PROPERTY AT 1201 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE A AYE.
IT'LL BE ON THE JUNE 5TH AGENDA, THE FIRST MEETING OF THE MONTH ABOUT PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA TO DISCUSS.
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WELCOME.ALRIGHT, NEXT ONE IS TO CONSIDER, THE NEXT FOUR ACTUALLY ARE THOSE EMINENT DOMAIN THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT.
ALL, ALL OF THOSE ARE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME THING.
UH, THE, THE PURPOSE FOR, UM, ALL IN CONNECTION WITH THE YERKES STATION PROJECT.
THESE ARE ALL WE TRIED AS HARD AS WE COULD TO WORK IT OUT.
WE DID WORK IT OUT WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE.
UM, THESE ARE JUST THE ONES THAT WERE LEFT OVER THAT WE, AND WE WILL STILL WORK IT OUT.
THIS RESOLUTION ONLY ALLOWS ME TO USE THEM IN A DOMAIN.
IT DOESN'T MEAN I'LL FILE TOMORROW.
ONCE THEY KNOW THAT I HAVE RECEIVED THE RESOLUTION, IT GIVES ME THE CHANCE TO TRY ONE MORE TIME WITH THEM AND STILL HOPEFULLY, UH, WORK IT OUT.
THIS JUST IS WHAT THIS HAS TO PROCEED TO MY USE OF EMINENT DOMAIN, THAT'S ALL.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT ON THE RECORD THAT I BELIEVE, AND, AND I'M GONNA SPEAK WITHOUT HAVING THE DATA IN FRONT OF ME, THAT THIS IS THE MOST DANGEROUS DEADLIEST INTERSECTION IN OUR TOWNSHIP.
THIS EMINENT DOMAIN ALLOWS US TO DEVELOP IT AND PUT SAFETY PRECAUTIONS IN SO NO ONE ELSE DIES.
PEOPLE HAVE DIED THERE ALMOST ANNUALLY.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBERS, BUT IT IS THE MOST DANGEROUS INTERSECTION.
EMINENT DOMAIN DOESN'T FEEL GOOD TO SIT HERE AND HAVE TO DO IT, BUT THERE'S 26,000 PLUS PEOPLE THAT DRIVE THROUGH THERE ON A MAJOR ARTERY AND IT IS DANGEROUS.
AND, AND ON THE, ON THE MONEY SIDE, THE DEVELOPER PAYS, YOU'RE UTILIZING THE PROCESS, BUT IT'S A CHARGE BACK TO THE DEVELOPER.
SO IT'S NOT TAX DOLLARS BEING SPENT ON BEHALF OF A DEVELOPER AS WAS PREVIOUSLY SUGGESTED THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE PAYING ALL IT.
SHOULD WE HAVE TO DO THESE INDIVIDUALLY? YEAH, I CAN DO 'EM.
I WOULD, UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 18 AUTHORIZING THE SOLICITOR TO FILE AN EMINENT DOMAIN PROCEEDINGS FOR ROAD RIGHT OF WAY ON THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1 0 9 HOPWOOD ROAD.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, MADAM CHAIR, TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 19 AUTHORIZING THE SOLICITOR FILE, EMINENT DOMAIN PROCEEDINGS FOR ROAD RIGHT OF WAY ON THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1814 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 20 AUTHORIZING THE SOLICITOR TO FILE EMINENT DOMAIN PROCEEDINGS FOR A STEEP SLOPE EASEMENT ON THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1601 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD.
AND FINALLY, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 21 AUTHORIZING THE SOLICITOR TO FILE IMMINENT DOMAIN PROCEEDINGS FOR A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT ON THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1601 SOUTH COLLEGE HILL ROAD.
THE NEXT ONE IS, UM, DEDICATION OF OXFORD DRIVE ON THE OXFORD LEE PROJECT.
UM, IN THIS ONE WE, THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION BETWEEN US AND THE DEVELOPER ON WHETHER THAT ROAD WAS GOING TO BE DEDICATED AND WE WERE PUSHING AND PULLING WITH THEM A LITTLE BIT.
AND THE WAY THAT WE WORKED IT OUT WAS DEDICATION IS BEING ACCEPTED, BUT IT IS NOT INCLUDING THE CENTER PART OF THE CUL-DE-SAC BULB, WHICH IS A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT BASIN TOOL AND THAT THE TOWNSHIP DID NOT WANT TO INCLUDE IN THE DEDICATION.
SO THAT WE GOT AROUND IT BY DEDICATING THE PART OF THE BOLT THAT YOU DRIVE A CAR ON, BUT NOT THE PART IN THE MIDDLE THAT YOU'RE DRIVING AROUND.
WELL, DIFFICULT PROBLEMS REQUIRE DIFFICULT SOLUTIONS.
I MAKE A MOTION, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 22 ACCEPTING DEDICATION OF OXFORD DRIVE AND OXFORD LEE DEPARTMENT DEVELOPMENT.
ALRIGHT, NOW WE'RE DOWN THE MANAGER DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS, UM, OH WAIT.
[CONSULTANT REPORTS]
THERE'S ENGINEERING AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT UPDATES.I, I, SORRY, I HAVE ONE QUICK THING FOR YOU.
UM, ENGINE 68 IS REFERRED TO AS AN ENGINE IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
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A VEHICLE THAT AN APPARATUS IS BOTH A PUMPER AND A RESCUE.UM, ENGINE 68 FITS THE QUALIFICATIONS TO BE CALLED A SQUAD.
SO, UH, WE INTEND, UNLESS I HEAR SOMETHING TO THE NEGATIVE TONIGHT, UH, WE INTEND TO CHANGE OUR DESIGNATION FROM ENGINE 68 TO SQUAD 68.
UM, REALLY IT JUST ALLOWS IT, UH, FOR A GREATER RESOURCE WHEN MONTGOMERY COUNTY IS LOOKING FOR RESCUE UNITS.
UM, RIGHT NOW, IF THEY LOOK NEARBY AND THEY NEED A RESCUE AND, AND, AND COME UP, THERE'S AN ENGINE IN THE CAD DOESN'T SEND US.
UM, NOT THAT I'M LOOKING TO SEND US ALL OVER THE COUNTY, BUT WE RELY ON A LOT OF PEOPLE TO COME INTO OUR TOWNSHIP AND WE RETURN THAT FAVOR WHEN NECESSARY.
SO, UM, SOMETIME IN THE BEGINNING OF JUNE, I THINK, UM, WE ANTICIPATE CHANGING IT TO WHAT WOULD BE NO LONGER ENGINE 68, BUT WOULD BE CALLED SQUAD 68.
THE WHITE ENGINE SITS OVER THERE WILL BECOME ENGINE 68.
SO IF YOU SEE IT IN THE FUTURE, YOU'LL KNOW WHY.
THANKS, MIKE
UM, THUS FAR THROUGH THE FEMA PROGRAM, WE'VE ACQUIRED 28 HOMES, UH, TWO MORE SCHEDULED FOR ACQUISITION BY THE END OF THE MONTH.
UH, THAT LEAVES SIX REMAINING THAT ARE STILL IN THE BUYOUT PROGRAM WHO HAVE NOT COMMITTED TO HIS CLOSING DATE YET.
WE'RE PUSHING EVERYBODY TO, UH, UM, ALLOW THE TOWNER TO ACQUIRE THEIR PROPERTY BEFORE THE END OF SEPTEMBER.
AND THEN HOPEFULLY THAT WILL START THE ONE YEAR TO 18 MONTH LONG CLOCK TO FINISH UP PAPERWORK WITH FEMA.
UM, 18 PROPERTIES IN TOTAL HAVE DROPPED OUT OF THE MM-HMM.
UM, I DID ALSO GET A, A DEMOLITION SCHEDULE FROM THE DEMOLITION CONTRACTOR.
THEY'RE PLANNING TO START IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROJECT, AS UNUSUAL AS THAT MAY SOUND AT 3 0 4 HOLLOW ROAD ON JUNE 3RD.
AND THEY'RE PLANNING TO WRAP UP, UH, JUST BEHIND PRODUCE JUNCTION ON WALNUT STREET BETWEEN AUGUST 27TH AND AUGUST 29TH.
THEY HAVE GROUPED THEM ALL TOGETHER, SO IT DOES SOUND LIKE THEY'LL BE WORKING THROUGHOUT THE DURATION OF THE SUMMER, BUT THEY DID GROUP THEM TOGETHER GEOGRAPHICALLY.
SO IT'S TO LIMIT THE DISTURBANCE TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE, ARE STILL THERE.
IF THEY CLOSED THE STREET FOR SOME OF THOSE, LIKE DOWN IN, LIKE HOW WOULD THAT WORK FOR TRAFFIC? THEY MAY BE PRIVATE PARKING ON ONE SIDE.
UM, BUT IT WILL BE THE, THE PLAN AT THIS POINT IN TIME IS TO LEAVE IT OPEN TO THROUGH TRAFFIC IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.
UM, AND I WANTED TO REPORT TOO THAT, UH, THROUGH A, A FUNDING REQUEST THAT WE MADE TO FEMA THAT FINALLY CAME THROUGH, WE DID PAY THE TOWNSHIP BACK THE $2.5 MILLION THAT THE BOARD AUTHORIZED STAFF USING FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO ACQUIRE AS MANY PROPERTIES AS WE DID AS QUICKLY AS WE DID IN DECEMBER.
AND THEN WE ALL TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE AND I THINK IT IS FIXING THAT ROAD ONCE WE'RE DONE WITH ALL THIS.
SO IT'S PRETTY BEAT UP DOWN JUNE 3RD.
HAS THE DEMOLITION STARTED AND MR.
UM, IS THIS ONE, DO WE HAVE TO PASS THIS ONE? NUMBER 12, JOE, THIS IS THE MONTHLY DEVELOPER INVESTMENT.
YOU KNOW, I'LL TAKE CARE OF YOU,
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT, UH, A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MONTHLY DEVELOPMENT IMPROVEMENT GUARANTEE REDUCTION LIST AS FOLLOWS.
ITEM A 400, OPPORTUNITY WEIGH MAINTENANCE BOND $16,000.
ITEM B OXFORD LEE, RELEASE NUMBER 10 IN THE AMOUNT OF $7,765.
ITEM CY RANT 4 29 SOUTH LEWIS ROAD RELEASE NUMBER TWO IN THE AMOUNT OF $85,196 AND 58 CENTS.
AND ITEM D SIX 15 EGYPT ROAD RELEASE NUMBER 13 IN THE AMOUNT OF $70,376 AND 62 CENTS.
OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
JOE, ANYTHING FOR YOU? NOTHING FURTHER.
[SUPERVISORS COMMENTS]
SUPERVISOR'S? COMMENTS? UH, JUST ONE QUICK THING.WE DON'T HAVE MANY FOLKS HERE, SO MAYBE I'M TALKING TO THE ETHER, BUT, UH, THE SUMMER WEATHER HAS ARRIVED AND OUR BEAUTIFUL WATER COURSES, THE KYAN CREEK AND THE SCHUELL RIVER ARE GONNA BE USED FOR RECREATION.
AND I JUST WANNA REMIND PEOPLE THAT THOSE WORK COURSES CAN BE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS IF NOT USED PROPERLY.
AND, UH, WE HAD A LOT OF SEVERAL HIGH WATER EVENTS IN THE WINTER ON THE SCHUELL RIVER IN PARTICULAR, THAT CHANGES THE CONTOURS OF THE, UM, BASE OF THE RIVER.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE PLACE YOU JUMPED IN
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LAST SUMMER THAT WAS EIGHT FEET DEEP, MIGHT BE TWO FEET DEEP TODAY.YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO SEND ARGO AND THE NEW SQUAD 68 OUT AND EVERYBODY ELSE TO, TO, TO SAVE YOU OUT OF THE RIVER.
SO PLEASE BE CAREFUL ALL SUMMER ALONG.
UM, THE NEXT TIME WE'LL MEET EVERYONE, UH, HOPEFULLY IT'LL COME OUT IS MAY 29TH.
WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON PARKHOUSE AND I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR COMMENTS AND BEING RESPECTFUL.
IF WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND BE RESPECTFUL BACK AND FORTH, IT'S TWO WAY STREET, I'D REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
UM, AND I'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK ON THAT BOAT.
[UPCOMING EVENTS]
SO UPCOMING EVENTS, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING MAY 29TH, I JUST MENTIONED IT.IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING TO CONSIDER THE ROSE FOR HOLDINGS.
LLC ZONING, THAT'S A TEX AMENDMENT FOR PARK HOUSE, REALLY.
THE VERY NEXT DAY COULD BE THE CONDITIONAL USE HEARING AND THAT IS ALSO AT SIX O'CLOCK.
JUNE 17TH IS A SUPERVISOR MEETING THAT STARTS AT SEVEN AND THEN JULY 15TH, THAT ALSO STARTS AT SEVEN.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING JUNE 5TH, SEVEN.
UM, THE AGENDA IS THE HIGH TOPIC THAT WE JUST SAW TONIGHT.
FOR QUEST, IT'S A TEXT AMENDMENT AND LEWIS POINT WAIVER.
AND THEN JUNE 19TH AT SEVEN, UH, WARD BAPTIST CHURCH PRE-APPLICATION DISCUSSION.
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WE'LL, WE'LL BRING FORTH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THERE, JEFF.
YEAH, WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER DRAFT TO DISCUSS.
ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, ADVISORY COUNCIL MEETING IS JULY 17TH.
AND PARKS AND REC COMMITTEE MEETING IS JUNE 12TH AT SIX.
UM, MEETINGS FOR JULY AND AUGUST HAVE BEEN CANCELED.
MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY MEETING IS JUNE 6TH AT SEVEN.
AND ZONING HEARING IS THAT THERE'S NO PENDING APPLICATIONS.
AND, UH, A MOTION AND A SECOND.