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READY? READY.[CALL TO ORDER]
ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA CALL TO ORDER THE APRIL 17TH, UH, MEETING OF THE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION.AND, UH, LOOKS LIKE EVERYBODY'S HERE, SO WE WON'T TAKE ROLL, BUT, UH, HOW ABOUT WE DO, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS FIRST? NOTHING.
SO TONIGHT THE GENERAL, OH, UH, THERE'S NO MINUTES EITHER, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO PROVE ANY MINUTES.
[APPLICATIONS TO BE HEARD ON APRIL 17, 2024:]
WE HAVE, UH, APPLICATION TO BE HEARD IS, UM, FROM THE KLINE ROAD, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES DEVELOPMENT, UH, ON KLEIN ROAD IN, UH, LYNNFIELD TRACK.IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE, HASN'T IT? IT HAS BEEN, YEAH.
UM, I REMEMBER WHAT, THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO RIGHT NOW? YES.
SO, UH, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND, UH, PLEASE START.
GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I'M THE PRESIDENT OF PINNACLE REALTY DEVELOPMENT, UH, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPER FOR THIS SITE.
UH, WE ARE ALSO THE FEE OWNER OF THE SITE.
WE OWN THE SITE, AND THIS WE'RE NOT EQUITABLE.
WE, I THINK WE STARTED THIS, UH, OUR VERY FIRST HEARING WAS RIGHT DURING THE START OF THE PANDEMIC.
YEAH, I THINK WE MAY HAVE BEEN ONE OF YOUR FIRST, UH, APPLICATIONS FOR THE REZONING.
AND THEN WE KIND OF WENT AWAY A LITTLE BIT AND CAME BACK WITH A REVISED PLAN, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'VE SEEN HERE.
AND WE'VE BEEN THROUGH A COUPLE ITERATIONS BETWEEN, UM, THE SLOW DOWN REALLY HAD A LOT TO DO WITH PA AMERICAN, TRYING TO MAKE UP THEIR MIND HOW THEY WANTED US TO CONNECT WATER.
UH, WE ALWAYS KNEW WE WERE GONNA GO UP THROUGH THE GIANT SHOPPING CENTER.
THEN THERE WAS A REQUEST TO GO DOWN WINFIELD TRAP ROAD, THEN THERE WAS A REQUEST TO GO UP ACROSS THE TAYLOR FARM, WHICH WE WORKED OUT WITH YOU, WITH YOU FOLKS.
UM, THEN THE, THE, UH, THE PUMP STATION ISSUE CAME AS PART OF THE REZONING.
SO WE WORKED OUT A PUMP STATION THAT NOT ONLY BENEFITS THIS SITE, BUT ALSO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WEREN'T AROUND BACK THEN, ALSO BENEFITS REGIONALLY AND CAN ALLOW FOR FUTURE HOOKUPS IF NECESSARY TO THE SITE.
AND THEN THE LAST, YOU KNOW, BIG HURDLE IN ALL THIS WAS PENDOT.
UM, 'CAUSE THERE WAS SOME, WHEN THE GAR FOLLOW TRACK WAS ORIGINALLY CREATED, THERE WAS SOME DEFERRED IMPROVEMENTS AND WE HAD TO COORDINATE THOSE WITH PENDO.
AND THEN PENDOT ALSO WANTED SOME OTHER STUFF DONE ON KLEIN ROAD.
AND, AND SO THERE WAS, AND AT THE TOWNSHIP WE HAD TO WORK OUT ALL OUR ISSUES WITH YOU.
SO IT'S BEEN A, A LITTLE BIT OF A SLOW AND ITERATIVE PROCESS.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S, IT IS, I THINK WE'RE AT THE POINT NOW WHERE WE'VE WORKED THROUGH, AFTER GETTING OUR PRELIMINARY PLAN PRETTY QUICKLY WITH YOU GUYS, WE'VE NOW GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE WE'VE CLEARED THE BAR LETTER.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE READY FOR FINAL.
THERE IS ONE WAIVER THAT REMAINS OPEN, I BELIEVE, THAT HAS, WAS NOT PREVIOUSLY VOTED ON.
SO BEFORE WE ASK, YOU KNOW, FOR ANY OFFICIAL ACTION ON THE PLAN, WE WOULD ASK FOR THE PLAN COMMISSION TO, UH, ADDRESS THE WAIVER.
AND IF I'M CORRECT, JEN, THE WAIVER REALLY RELATES TO PEAK FLOW RATES DOWN BY THE PUMP STATION.
SO THE LOCATION OF THE PUMP STATION WAS CITED BY, UM, YOUR ENGINEER, UM, BILL DINGMAN BACK WHEN, WHEN BILL WAS STILL HERE.
AND THEN THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT AND DB HAVE THEIR SET OF REGULATIONS OF HOW THEY WANT US TO MANAGE STORM ORDER.
AND THE TOWNSHIP CAME BACK AND ASKED US TO TRY TO MODIFY THAT DESIGN A LITTLE BIT.
THEY DIDN'T WANT TO BASICALLY SITTING OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TAYLOR FARM BECAUSE WHEN, FOR YOUR FUTURE PLANS, THEY WANTED TO KEEP IT AS LOOKING AS NATURAL AS POSSIBLE.
SO WE WENT BACK TO ESSENTIALLY TRENCH DRAIN OR UNDERGROUND STORAGE, ROCK FILLED FILTER THAT WE WOULD, UH, FILL OVER.
AND THEN THAT, NOW WE GOT INTO THIS DEBATE WITH MCCD AND THE DEP REGULATIONS UNDER THE DE TASKERS FLOW RATES AND THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT'S REQUIREMENTS.
AND YOUR STAFF ENGINEERS HAVE BEEN GREAT WITH WORKING THROUGH THOSE ITEMS WITH US.
SO THERE IS ONE WAIVER, UM, IN THE GILMORE LETTER.
EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S HERE, THAT IS ADDRESSED AS A CLEANUP ITEM OR A FUTURE ITEM FOR PLAN RECORDING.
BUT SPECIFICALLY THE ONE WAIVER REQUEST IS ON PAGE THREE OF THE LETTER.
THE WAIVER IS BEING REQUESTED FROM THE SECTION BEING SECTION, UM, ONE 50 DASH 11 B, UH, REDUCING THE PEAK RATE CONTROL ON THE 50 YEAR STORM FROM THE TWO YEAR, UH, TO THE TWO YEAR STORM TO THE, FOR THE TAYLOR FARM PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY WAIVER THAT WAS NOT PREVIOUSLY ACTED UPON BY THE BOARD, AS, AS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
EVERYTHING ELSE ON HERE IS A WILL COMPLY, AND I THINK WE HAVE A CLEAN LETTER FROM, UH, BOWMAN AS TO TRAFFIC AT, AT THIS POINT.
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOME PRE PEN NOT HAS ISSUED THEIR PERMITS.
AND WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
AND WE'RE A LITTLE BIT OF A CHICKEN AND EGG.
UM, WE HAVE A NEW REVIEWER AT PENNDOT, WHICH IS ALWAYS A ENRICHING AND REWARDING EXPERIENCE.
UM, AND THAT PERSON'S DECIDED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE FOR THE
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TOWNSHIP TO SIGN BEFORE THE ISSUE, THEIR PIECE OF THE PERMIT.AND SO WE'RE WORKING OUT COST ESTIMATES.
I KNOW WE'VE TALKED AND JEFF AND I SAID LET'S GET PAST THIS TONIGHT.
THAT'S A LAST, LIKE A FINAL DETAIL.
WE'LL SORT OUT HOW TO SORT THAT THROUGH WITH PENDOT.
UM, BUT IT'S A 30 LOT SUBDIVISION.
UM, YOU GUYS REZONED IT TO ALLOW THIS.
I THINK WE'VE MET ALL YOUR CONDITIONS.
AND I'M HERE TO ASK FOR APPROVAL OF THE WAIVER AND THEN A RECOMMENDATION, A RECOMMENDATION ON THE WAIVER, AND A RECOMMENDATION FOR FINAL PLAN APPROVAL TO YOUR BOARD.
SO WE CAN ATTEND MONDAY NIGHT MEETING.
UH, WHY DON'T YOU JUST REAL QUICKLY.
REAL QUICKLY, UH, JUST REVIEW THE PLAN IN ITSELF.
HOW MANY HOUSES, WELL BIG, THE LOT SIZES FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T ON IT 3, 4, 5 YEARS AGO, WHENEVER THIS FIRST CAME.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT FORGOTTEN OR THE ONES THAT FORGOTTEN.
I, I MIGHT BE ONE OF THOSE TOO.
UM, THE, THE LOT SIZE, I THINK THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS 12 FIVE, I THINK IS THE, THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE.
NOW, UM, AROUND THERE, THERE ARE THREE FRONT DITCH LOT.
THERE ARE ONE FRONT DITCH LOT ON KLEIN ROAD.
THESE TWO LOTS FACING INTERNALLY.
UM, STORM ORDER BASINS ARE HERE.
THERE'S A SMALL STORM ORDER BASIN HERE, AND THEN A BIGGER STORMWATER WATER BASIN BACK HERE.
UM, THERE ARE PENDING NOT REQUIRED IMPROVEMENTS.
WE HAVE GIVEN NOTICE TO THE GAR FOLLOWS, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD SIGNED THE PLAN PREVIOUSLY INDICATING THAT THEY WOULD, UH, CONSENT TO THESE IMPROVEMENTS, WE GAVE THEM NOTICE THAT WHEN WE DO THIS WORK, THEIR DRIVEWAY MAY BE INTERRUPTED, UH, WHILE DURING CONSTRUCTION, NOT PERMANENTLY, BUT JUST INTERMITTENTLY WHILE, WHILE WE CONSTRUCT THE WIDENING.
UM, AND SO, I MEAN, THIS PLAN HAD BEEN PRETTY MUCH UNCHANGED, UM, FROM LAYOUT IN TERMS OF LOT LAYOUT.
THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK DONE IN TERMS OF GRADING AND DEPTH OF SEWER.
UM, WHAT'S NOT VISIBLE WHEN YOU LOOK ON THIS PLAN, UM, IS THAT RIGHT ABOUT HERE, THERE'S A BIG BELLY.
SO YOU GO FROM A HIGH POINT HERE, YOU GET A LOW POINT AND YOU COME BACK UP AGAIN.
AND DURING THE DESIGN PHASE, WE HAD REALIZED THAT AT ONE POINT THE SANITARY SEWER CROSSING UNDER WINDFIELD TRAFFIC, WHAT ROAD WAS GONNA BE 47 FEET DEEP.
SO WE WENT BACK WITH THE HELP OF YOUR STAFF AND WE WORKED THROUGH A DIFFERENT WAY TO POSITION SEWER.
WE GOT IT BACK INTO SOMETHING OTHER THAN, UM, TUNNELING HALFWAY TO, UH, E EAST ASIA IN ORDER TO, TO GET OUR SEWER LINE THROUGH.
SO IT'S SERVICEABLE AND MANAGEABLE.
THE ROAD IS PROPOSED TO BE PRIVATE, BUT IT IS BEING BUILT TO ATTACH SPECS SO THAT IF YOU EVER ACCEPT, WANT TO ACCEPT DEDICATION, YOU CAN.
THE SANITARY SEWER WILL OBVIOUSLY BE DEDICATED.
THERE ARE NO LOW PRESSURE SYSTEMS IN ANYWHERE IN THE PROJECT.
UM, THERE ARE, THERE ARE EJECTOR PITS IF, FOR SOME OF THE BASEMENT, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO FINISH A BASEMENT, THEY WOULD HAVE AN EJECTOR PIT.
BUT EVERY HOUSE IS SERVED PRIMARILY BY GRAVITY SEWER INTO A GRAVITY SEWER SYSTEM.
AND THE GRAVITY SEWER RUNS ACROSS THE STREET, DOWN THE TAYLOR FARM TO A PUMP STATION, WHICH THEN PUMPS BACK OUT AND GOES TO THE PROVIDENCE CORNER PROJECT, WHICH WAS BUILT IN PART BY, UH, IAN HOMES AND PART BY THP WATER, UM, WILL COME IN DOWN, ALONG UNDERNEATH THE EASEMENT, OOPS, UNDERNEATH THE EASEMENT, WHICH IS BACK HERE, WHICH IS THE PICO EASEMENT AND TIE IN OVER AT GIANT.
AND THEN WE WILL ORDER WILL OOPS.
WATER WILL ALSO THEN RUN PARALLEL TO THE SANITARY LINE.
THERE'LL BE A WATER CONNECTION HERE, AND WE WILL CUT, TIE UP TO THE EXISTING WATER MAIN, UH, IN, IN A PROVIDENCE CORNER AS WELL.
THERE IS CURRENTLY A TWO INCH TAP, I THINK FOR THE FORCE, MAAM, THAT WILL BE UPGRADED TO A FOUR-INCH TAP WHEN WE DO THAT WORK.
AND, UM, WE'VE GOT OUR STREAM CROSSING PERMITS AND EVERYTHING ELSE WE NEED FOR, THERE'S A LITTLE STREAM DOWN HERE.
UM, AND THEN WHEN, WHEN WE'RE DONE BUILDING THE ROAD, UH, THE PUMP STATION WILL REBUILD THE ROAD INSIDE THE TAYLOR FARM.
UM, AND I GUESS LASTLY, THERE'S AN INTERCONNECTION OF THE WALKING TRAIL LEADING FROM OUR SITE DOWN TO THE INTERSECTION ON RIDGE.
SO WE'LL HAVE A PAVED WALKING TRAIL.
UM, AND THEN, AND EVERYTHING ELSE WAS PREVIOUSLY GRANTED BY WAIVER.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DETAILS WE HAVE TO WORK OUT WITH THE, WITH THE TOWN, BUT THAT'S BASICALLY THE PLAN IN IN, IN A NUTSHELL.
UM, HOUSING PRICING GIVE PRELIMINARY.
UM, WELL WE STARTED THIS, UM, I THINK WE WERE THINKING WE'D BE IN THE, IN THE SEVEN, SEVEN TO $900,000 RANGE.
IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE IN THE, YOU KNOW, NINE 50 TO A MILLION, 1,000,002 RANGE.
UM, JUST GIVEN THE COST OF THE LOTS AND THE COST OF IMPROVEMENTS NOWADAYS, UM, EVERYTHING'S UP AT LEAST 30%.
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PROBABLY STARTING PRICES OF WHERE YOU'RE GONNA, WHERE YOU'RE GONNA OBJECTIVELY BE.SO YOU BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR, UH, QUESTION BE FOR OUR ENGINEER, UM, SINCE I'VE BEEN OUT OF THIS FOR A WHILE, HOW OFTEN DO WE GET A 50 YEAR STORM AND HOW OFTEN DO WE GET TWO YEARS
SO A TWO YEAR STORM IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN EVERY TWO YEARS.
AND A 50 YEAR STORM SHOULD HAPPEN ONCE EVERY 50 YEARS.
THAT'S THE LAY TERMINOLOGY FOR THOSE STORMS. WHAT IT REALLY IS, IS IT'S REALLY PROBABILITY FACTORS.
SO A 50 YEAR STORM, WHEREAS EVERYBODY LOOKS AT IT AS ONCE EVERY 50 YEARS, IT'S REALLY THE PERCENTAGE PROBABILITY OF THAT.
SO A 50 YEAR STORM HAS A 2% CHANCE OF HAPPENING EVERY SINGLE YEAR, BUT IT COULD HAPPEN MULTIPLE YEARS IN A ROW.
IT CAN HAPPEN MORE THAN ONCE IN A YEAR.
UM, I DID IS APPROACHING A THOUSAND YEAR STORM TO GIVE YOU SOME PERSPECTIVE OF FLOW.
UM, 50 YEAR STORMS ARE REALLY NOT THAT FREQUENT.
TWO YEAR STORMS ARE 80% OF THE STORMS THAT HAPPEN IN THE STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA, UM, BASED ON DEP TRACKING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO TWO YEAR STORMS ARE REALLY THE PREDOMINANT STORMS THAT WE HAVE AROUND HERE.
IF I COULD ADD ONE THING TO THAT TOO, IMPORTANTLY, A A 50 YEAR STORM IS DIFFERENT THAN A 50 YEAR FLOOD OR A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD, OR A 500 YEAR FLOOD.
PEOPLE CONFUSE THE TERMS 'CAUSE THEY EQUATE, WELL, WE HAD A HUNDRED YEAR STORMS, SO THEREFORE WE HAD A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD.
THEY'RE INDEPENDENT ON ONE ANOTHER.
SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT VOLUME, VOLUME WISE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THE TERMINOLOGY GETS CONFUSED 'CAUSE THEY BOTH HAVE THE NUMBER IN 'EM.
BUT THIS IS RELATING TO JUST THE RAIN EVENT, NOT THE FLOOD EVENT.
SO IT'S AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION, BUT SOMETIMES IT GETS LOST IN THIS.
AND UM, AS ANTHONY DESCRIBED, THE CONTROL FOR WHAT HE'S REQUESTING A WAIVER FOR IS THE DRIVEWAY TO THE PUMP STATION AND THE PUMP STATION ITSELF.
UM, THE SITE AND ALL OF THE IMPROVEMENTS, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN KLEIN ROAD AND LINFIELD TRAP ROAD THAT ALL MEETS THE ORDINANCE.
HE'S NOT ASKING FOR A WAIVER FOR THAT.
JERRY, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, I, UM, UH, LOOKING AT ONE OF THE, MAYBE THIS IS FOR, FOR FOR JEN, UM, AS WELL, BUT, UM, ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS, UH, APPLICANT'S REQUIRED TO OBTAIN SANITARY SEWER CAPACITY FROM THE REGIONAL SEWER AUTHORITY.
UM, IS THAT TO SORT OF RESERVE CAPACITY? HA HAVE I, I PRESUME THAT SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT CALCULATIONS AND ALL OF THAT'S HAPPENED ALREADY, UM, BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THE SEWERS TYING INTO A MANHOLE IN THE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, I DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF THE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS FROM, UH, PG SP.
YEAH, I IMAGINE THAT SOME PLANNING CALCULATIONS HAVE BEEN DONE, BUT I WAS CURIOUS AS TO WHAT THAT COMMENT WAS TO RESERVE SIGNED OFF BY.
PLANNING MODULE IS IN PROGRESS TO GET THE OFFICIAL APPROVAL BY DEP, BUT THE PUMP STATION THAT'S BEING BUILT AS PART OF THIS PROJECT HAS THE CAPACITY TO SERVE A HUNDRED HOMES.
AND THIS DEVELOPMENT IS TAKING 30 OUT OF THOSE A HUNDRED.
SO IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THE PLANNING MODULE FOR THE PUMP STATION, UM, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT CONVEYANCE CAPACITY AND TREATMENT.
SO THE PUMP STATION FLOW WAS STUDIED ALL THE WAY FROM THE PUMP STATION THROUGH ALL THE EXISTING TOWNSHIP SANITARY SEWER, UM, TO THE PUMP STATION.
SO YES, THE, THAT'S ALL BEEN INVESTIGATED AND IT'S FINE.
THE REMAINING COMMENT IN MY LETTER IS REALLY MORE FOR THE PHYSICAL PURCHASING OF THE EDS FROM THE TOWNSHIP AND L-P-B-R-S-A.
AND, AND THE, THE RESPECTIVE AUTHORITIES HAVE SIGNED OFF ON THE PLANNING MODULE, WHICH IS NOW PENDING BEFORE DEP AND WE'RE EXPECTING WITHIN 30 DAYS ROUGHLY, PROBABLY.
AND WOULDN'T THAT BE NICE? LOOK, I'M NOT AT THIS SIX TONIGHT.
I CAN DREAM A LITTLE, CAN I, I MEAN, COME ON, COME ON.
BUT YEAH, SO ALL, ALL THAT STUFF'S BEEN LOOKED AT.
UM, SO IT WAS NOTED, UH, I GUESS IN THE, IN THE MOMENT LETTER, AND YOU MENTIONED IT, THAT YOU'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE, UH, HIGHWAY OCCUPANCY PERMIT FROM PENNDOT.
UM, DOES IT SEEM LIKE, UH, IT SEEMS TO ME YOU'LL NEED THAT RIGHT TO DO THE CROSSING OF, UH, UH, UH, WINDFIELD TRACK ROAD RIGHT.
TO, YOU KNOW, AND AND ALSO FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS THERE, THERE'S REALLY TWO PERMITS.
AND WE, AND THEN WE HAVE THE WA THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THE ROAD IMPROVEMENT'S BEEN WORKED OUT WITH
I MEAN, BOMA WAS HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS, INCLUDING, I MEAN, BILL WAS HEAVILY INVOLVED BACK IN, IN THE DAY TOO.
SO THAT'S ALL BEEN COORDINATED.
IT'S ALL WITHIN PENDO RIGHT AWAY.
THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL RIGHT AWAY REQUIRED.
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USING A ZONING TERM, IT'S A BUY RIGHT DEVELOPMENT OF IT.UM, WE'VE GIVEN NOTICE TO, LIKE I SAID, THE PROPERTY OWNER, THAT THAT WORK WILL HAPPEN.
UM, SO, AND, AND THEY CONSENTED TO IT PREVIOUSLY, IT WAS A CONDITION OF THEM GETTING THIS PLAN.
SO THEY'D HAVE A HARD TIME, I THINK, ARGUING TO THIS TOWN THAT THEY DON'T AGREE WITH THIS NOW.
UM, SO, BUT THAT PERMIT HAS BEEN REVIEWED.
WE'RE IN FINAL COMMENTS FOR THAT.
WE'RE WAITING FOR COST ESTIMATES.
THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO EXPECTATION THAT WE WON'T RECEIVE THAT, THAT PERMIT FROM PENDO MET ALL THE CONDITIONS.
YEAH, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS GOING.
DO YOU SEE ANYTHING BEING A ROADBLOCK AND, AND WHAT WOULD THAT DO TO THE PROJECT IF THAT PERMIT GETS BELABORED? YOU KNOW, UM, NO, I THINK WE'VE BEEN, WE, WE'VE BEEN PRETTY FAR DOWN THIS ROAD.
I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE INTO LIKE FINAL CLEANUP ITEMS AND, AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE COST ESTIMATE, WHICH THEY'RE NOT GONNA ASK FOR.
I MEAN, WE'VE ADDRESSED ALL THE STORM ORDER ISSUES RELATED TO THE IMPROVEMENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA ASK FOR COST ESTIMATES IF THEY'RE GONNA ASK ME FOR CHANGES BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEN THAT THE COST ESTIMATE'S NO GOOD.
SO, HEY, DID JEN, ALSO ON YOUR, UM, LETTER, WELL, THE GILMORE LETTER PAGE TWO, UNDER YOUR ZONING, IT WAS MENTIONED IN THE PRESENTATION THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE WAIVER, BUT THERE IS A, IN LIEU OF, UM, THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING TO PAY A FEE INSTEAD OF PROVIDING FUTURE RESIDENTS, COMMUNITY AREAS, PLAYGROUNDS, ET CETERA, IS THIS A CHANGE FROM THE LAST TIME THAT THIS APPLICATION CAME UP OR IS THIS ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS? IT WAS ALREADY DISCUSSED WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN PRELIMINARY.
SO IT'S JUST BEING CARRIED FORWARD SO THAT THE SOLICITOR AND TOWNSHIP STAFF DOESN'T LOSE TRACK OF ALL OF THAT AND THE FINAL AGREEMENTS.
AND IS THIS COMMON TO, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINALLY MANY AREAS WITH THE SUPERVISORS ACTUALLY REALLY LIKE, AND THEN THE CHANGE THAT IS THAT? WELL, YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
ONE IS GENERALLY WHEN WHEN THE APPLICANT ASKS FOR WAIVERS, UH, FROM THE SODO, WE USUALLY GET A FEE THAT REPRESENTS A PORTION OF WHAT THEIR SAVINGS ARE.
THE, WHEN YOU'RE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, THAT'S ITS OWN THING THAT IS ALREADY ADDRESSED RIGHT.
IF THEY DON'T PROVIDE THE FACILITIES, THEN THEY GET A WAIVER AND PAY THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE.
ANTHONY, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? YOU, UH, JUST PASS OUT YOUR THING THAT I, I KNOW YOU SAID IT EARLIER.
ANYTHING YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON OR ANY ANY POINTS YOU WANT TO HIGHLIGHT? UH, I THINK, I THINK ANTHONY EXPLAINED IT WELL.
THE, THE QUESTION ABOUT PENNDOT, I MEAN, IT WAS IN OUR LETTER, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE, WE SEE IT THE SAME WAY.
YOU KNOW, WE COORDINATED WITH PENDO ALL THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
UM, SO IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE LATEST COMMENTS, THERE'S JUST A FEW, UH, MINOR ITEMS I GUESS TO ADDRESS, UM, WHICH WON'T AFFECT ULTIMATELY ISSUANCE.
UM, ONE OF 'EM BEING LETTERS FROM THE TOWNSHIP SHOWING APPROVAL, WHICH I THINK BETWEEN, UH, GILMORE'S LETTER AND OURS, THEY'LL SEE THAT NOW.
SO I THINK THAT'LL, THAT'LL LEAD INTO THE, ULTIMATELY THE PERMIT FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO, UM, OTHER THAN, WHICH IS A NEW REQUEST, WHICH IS A NEW REQUEST FOR THEM, BY THE WAY, THAT, THAT WAS DIFFERENT TO SEE, I WROTE ADMIT, UM, THAT'S WHAT SAID THE BENEFIT OF A NEW REVIEWER WAS PROBABLY SOMETHING NEW.
THERE'S, UH, ESCROW FOR, THERE WAS A PROPOSED CROSSING, UH, AT THE ACCESS ON KLEIN ROAD, A DA IMPROVEMENTS AND A CROSSING, UM, ALL IN PLANNING FOR THE TAYLOR PARK THAT'S GETTING DEFERRED AT THIS TIME.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE MEMORIALIZED THROUGH AN ESCROW.
THERE WAS A COST ESTIMATE DONE FOR THAT.
SO THAT'S POINTED OUT AS A REMINDER IN THE LETTER.
UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, ALL OUR TRAFFIC ISSUES WERE ADDRESSED.
HOW ABOUT YOU, JEN? ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD TO YOUR LETTER OR COMMENTS? NO, I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
UM, LIKE ANTHONY SAID, INITIALLY THE WATER SERVICE, WE ANTICIPATED IT GOING OUT ALL THE WAY TO RIDGE PIPE.
UM, BUT THE WATER COMPANY CAME BACK AND IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA GO INTO THE BACK CORNER OF TARGET.
UM, BUT THAT'S BEYOND THE SCOPE OF, OF WHAT WE TYPICALLY LOOK AT.
UM, WATER COMPANY HAS PURVIEW OF THAT, BUT THAT'S FAIRLY UNUSUAL.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
THAT WATER COMPANY SAID SOMETHING.
YOU MEAN THAT THEY ACTUALLY MADE A RECOMMENDATION OR A CHANGE OR SOMETHING? A CHANGE? A CHANGE IS, YEAH.
UM, BUT IT, IT SEEMS YOU, IT'S GOING TO NOT IMPACT THAT LENGTH OF KLINE ROAD, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, IT'LL GO UNDER THE PICO EASEMENT AND THEN DIRECTLY INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER INSTEAD OF GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN.
IS IT NORMAL THE DAY THE PICO ALLOWS YOU TO GO UNDERNEATH THEIR EASEMENT? THAT'S ALREADY BEEN HANDLED.
JEFF COULD PROBABLY CAN'T ADDRESS THAT BETTER, BUT PICO HAS BEEN INVOLVED AND THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN AN AGREEMENT.
JOE, DO YOU KNOW THAT? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SIGNED, BUT I KNOW THEY HAVE.
IT'S A STANDING, YOU KNOW, DOES IT HAPPEN A LOT? YEAH, THEY HAVE A STANDING LIST OF ALL THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO SATISFY ACROSS THEIR EASEMENT, BUT THEY RECOGNIZE THAT IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
SO YOU GO, OH, NOT SIGNED, BUT OKAY.
WELL IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE.
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UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NICOLE? UH, THEN I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO, UH, TO UH, UH, GRANT THE, UH, EASEMENT ON, UH, FOR THE FLOOD ON TAYLOR FARM AND THEN, UH, MOTION TO, UH, SEND THIS TO SUPERVISORS FOR FINAL.DON'T YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE WAIVER ALSO? WELL, THAT'S WHAT THE WAIVER IS, AS YOU SAID, THAT, THAT'S WHAT THE WAIVER IS ON THE TIME, UH, THE STORM AND PAY FORM 52 YEARS FROM, SO THAT WOULD BE, WE COULD DO BOTH TOGETHER, JUDGE.
YEAH, YOU CAN DO BOTH TOGETHER.
IF I JUST NEED A MOTION TO DO IT, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.
UH, YOU WANNA ADDRESS IT OR YOU WANT ME TO ADDRESS IT? YOU WANT, YOU WANT TO STATE WHAT THE MOTION IS? YEAH, THE MOTION IS TO, FOR FINAL PLAN TO APPROVE IT, UM, BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT'S IN THE ENGINEER'S REPORT AND THE TRAFFIC REPORT AND THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED, UM, OTHER THAN THAT.
AND UNDER GRANT, THE WAIVER AND THE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE WAIVER.
ALRIGHT, SO BOB HAS MADE A MOTION TO, UH, GRANT APPROVAL OF THE WAIVER AND TO SEND THIS TO SUPERVISOR FINAL MOTION.
UH, ANY A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.
JERRY, YOU'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.
ALRIGHT, WELL THAT WAS NICE TO MEET, UH, FUTURE
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AGENDA ITEMS. UH, JEFF NOT HERE, BUT YOU CAN SEE DOWN THERE WHAT HE WROTE.WE'RE KIND OF WAITING, I GUESS.
UM, THERE'S AN IMPORTANT MEETING TOMORROW NIGHT.
ARE ARE YOU, YOU'RE NOT BE PART OF THAT, RIGHT, JOE? BE PARKHOUSE.
BUT THERE IS A MEETING TOMORROW NIGHT ON PARKHOUSE IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED IN COMING IN FOR THAT OR JUST TO IT.
WHO'S HOLDING THAT? UH, THE SUPERVISOR.
UM, SO, UH, YOU GUYS CAN READ ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE, UH, ON THE, UH, ON THE FUTURE AGENDA? I GUESS EVERYBODY'S SEEN ON LEWIS ROAD? THE, UH, THE PLAN THAT WE REVIEWED A WHILE BACK, I GUESS IT'S BEEN PROBABLY A COUPLE YEARS BACK NOW.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT I HAD HEARD THAT THAT I'S NOT ACTUALLY GOING TO GO THERE HIMSELF.
OR IF HE DOES, MAYBE HE'S GONNA RENT PART OF IT NOW BECAUSE THERE'S A SIGN.
I HE'S GOING THERE BECAUSE I HAD A SMALL TALK, SMALL WORLD CONVERSATION WITH HIS WIFE.
OF, OF ALL THE WEIRD, AND I, I THOUGHT SHE HAD INDICATED LIKE IF A PROCESS HAD BEEN LONG FOR THEM AT ALL AND THAT THEY WERE ANXIOUS, LIKE TO MOVE IN, IT DIDN'T SOUND LIKE THEY WERE GONNA RENT IT.
I MEAN, YOU BUILT A LARGE BUILDING, PROBABLY RENT OUT THE BASEMENT.
YEAH, THEY COULD INTO IT, YOU KNOW, IN SOME FUTURE TIME OR SOMETHING.
HE WAS MY SON'S ORTHODONTIST AND HE HAD THE SAME CONVERSATION.
HE SAID HE IS, THE RENT WAS TOO HIGH AND HE WAS LOOKING TO MOVE INTO HIS NEW PROPERTY THIS TWO YEARS AGO.
HE'S RENT GOTTA BE REAL HIGH TO PAY FOR WHAT HE DID THERE AND TO BE TALKING TO YOUR CLIENTS ABOUT IT.
UH, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
YOU'RE GOOD AT THAT ONE THOUGH, JOE, YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO COMMENT? I'M GOOD.
YOU MADE IT NICE AND QUICK FORCE.