[CALL TO ORDER]
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I'M GONNA CALL THE ORDER THE, UH, UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, MEETING FOR WEDNESDAY, MARCH 20TH.AND JEFF, DO WE WANT TO DO A ROLL CALL? ARE WE COOL WITH EVERYBODY'S HERE? WE'RE GOOD.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR NON-AG AGENDA ITEMS. WE HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC HERE, NOT A LOT OF, WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC HERE TONIGHT.
IS THERE ANYTHING ANYBODY WANTS TO COMMENT ON? NON-AGENDA? YOU SEE OUR AGENDA THERE? HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY'S GOT A COPY.
[GENERAL DISCUSSION ITEMS]
HEARING ANY.WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, UH, LOOKING AT THE, UH, MINUTES FROM THE, THE LAST TWO MEETINGS.
WE DIDN'T HAVE A MEETING THE 1ST OF MARCH, BUT WE DID HAVE TWO IN FEBRUARY, AND THE MINUTES ARE ATTACHED.
IF, UH, THE COMMISSION HAS HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE, AND IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, PROBLEMS, ISSUES, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THOSE TWO.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES.
AJ'S MADE A, UH, MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 7TH AND FEBRUARY 21ST.
SO I GUESS OUR FIRST TOPIC TONIGHT, UH, OF OUR, UH, ABBREVIATED AGENDA IS, UH, UH, ON THE, UH, HIGH TOP DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM THAT WE'VE HEARD BEFORE.
RIGHT? AND, UM, AND I GUESS, UH, OUR FRONT, ALLISON IS HERE TO SPEAK WITH US.
ALLISON'S ZARO ON BEHALF OF HIGH TOP DEVELOPMENT.
WITH ME TONIGHT IS DAVE LANCE GRONER FROM HIGH TOP DEVELOPMENT.
AND, UM, WE DO HAVE GREG RICHARDSON HERE, UM, IF HIGH TOPS ENGAGED TRAFFIC PLANNING DESIGNED TO START LOOKING AT THE SITE IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC, IN CASE YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
UM, BUT SINCE WE WERE HERE, WE WERE HERE IN JANUARY TO TALK ABOUT THE SITE RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
UM, IF EVERYONE RECALLS IT'S 27 ACRES CURRENTLY ZONED IO DISTRICT CONTAINS, UM, THE EXISTING BUILDING THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY USED BY QUEST.
UM, HIGH TALK WOULD BE PROPOSING TO REDEVELOP THE SITE, UM, FOR A COMBINATION OF RETAIL AND RESIDENTIAL.
UH, WE HAD TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THE FACT THAT, UM, THE RETAIL AS LAID OUT ON THE SITE, UM, WAS DESIGNED UTILIZING THE COMMERCIAL, OR EXCUSE ME, COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER DISTRICT OF THE TOWNSHIP.
UM, THAT IS ALL THE SAME AS WHAT YOU SAW PREVIOUSLY, THE PART IN THE FRONT.
UM, WE HAD GONE TO THE SUPERVISORS IN FEBRUARY, SO WE'D BEEN HERE IN JANUARY.
ONE OF THE THINGS WAS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTIAL NOT LOOKING, YOU KNOW, CREATIVE LIKE LONG BUILDINGS, NOT BROKEN UP, ET CETERA.
UM, SO WE ACTUALLY, UM, HAD MADE SOME CHANGES TO THAT AREA AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING PRESENTED TO THE BOARD.
UM, THEY HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL AS WELL.
WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AGAIN ON THAT.
UM, AND SO THE PLAN YOU'RE SEEING TONIGHT IS A, IS A SECOND ITERATION, UM, OF THE RESIDENTIAL ON THE REAR OF THE SITE.
UM, SO THERE, THERE ARE A FEW CHANGES, UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU'RE SEEING.
SO THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY THAT WAS, IS SHOWN HAS ACTUALLY BEEN REDUCED.
UM, WE WERE AT 76 STACK TOWN HOMES, AND IF YOU RECALL, THIS IS STACK TOWN HOME PRODUCT THAT DOESN'T CURRENTLY EXIST IN THE TOWNSHIP.
UM, THAT'S DOWN TO 57 ON THIS PLAN.
UM, WE'VE SORT OF BROKEN UP THE BACK OF THE SITE, BROKEN UP THE UNITS.
UM, THERE'S A LITTLE MORE GREEN SPACE ON THE PLAN.
UM, THERE'S A MUCH BIGGER SETBACK, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU IN MORE DETAIL WHEN WE GO THROUGH, UM, THE, THE SLIDE DECK HERE.
WE HAVE A FEW MORE SLIDES AND RENDERINGS AGAIN.
UM, THE BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN BROKEN UP.
THEY ORIGINALLY, SOME OF 'EM HAD 12, SOME OF THEM HAD NINE.
UM, THE MAX SIZE IS DOWN TO SEVEN ON THIS PLAN CONFIGURATION.
UM, VISITOR PARKING HAS BEEN INTRODUCED, SO I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE FAINT.
THIS, THE GRAPHIC'S A LITTLE FAINT ON THE SCREEN, BUT THERE'S THE, THE HISTORIC HOUSE THAT IS ON SITE, UM, ALONG BLACKROCK ROAD WOULD BE RETAINED, WHICH HAS BEEN SHOWN ON THE PLANS PREVIOUSLY.
UM, BUT WE'VE ADDED A, A PARKING LOT THERE, WHICH HAS 20 PARKING SPACES IN IT.
UM, IT CAN BE UTILIZED FOR, UM, VISITORS SPECIFICALLY TO THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION AND STILL THINKING ABOUT WHAT MIGHT BE DONE WITH, WITH THAT BUILDING.
BUT WE DO HAVE SOME RENDERINGS TO SHOW YOU WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE, UM, AS WE GO THROUGH THE SLIDE DECK.
AND THEN THE OTHER, OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT WERE UPDATED ON THIS IS THERE WERE TWO CONNECTION POINTS, UM, IN THE SITE.
AND WE'VE UPDATED AND CHANGED THAT FOR THE RESIDENTIAL.
I KNOW THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT LIKE, CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC AND, AND THAT KIND OF THING.
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THAT'S BEEN CHANGED THERE.AND THERE ARE NOW TWO ACCESS POINTS SHOWN ON BLACK ROCK ROAD, UM, SORT OF TO BE A RELEASE VALVE FROM THE COMMERCIAL SEPARATE, UM, FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE REAR.
UM, SO IT MAY MAKE SENSE FOR US TO JUST SORT OF WALK THROUGH THE REST OF THE SLIDES.
WE HAVE SOME OF THE RENDERINGS ESSENTIALLY YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE, BUT WE'VE ALSO ADDED A FEW THINGS IN, IN TERMS OF WHAT THIS MAY LOOK LIKE.
WHAT, YOU DON'T HAVE A POINTER, DO YOU? YES.
COULD YOU POINT OUT THAT PUBLIC PARKING AREA AGAIN? SO, SO OVER HERE WE GO LIFT MY ARM UP.
SO THE HISTORIC HOUSE IS RIGHT HERE.
AND THEN THERE'D BE 20 PARKING SPACES IN A SEGREGATED LOT OVER HERE FROM THE, YOU KNOW, LARGER PARKING FIELD OR INTERSPERSED ACTUALLY SERVING THE TOWNHOUSES.
AND THAT IS BIKE PUT THE BIKE ON.
UM, THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, WHERE IS THE EXISTING BUILDING THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DEMOLISHED? SO THERE IS A, I THINK MAYBE THE SECOND OR THIRD ONE, THERE'S A SLIDE THAT OVERLAYS THIS ON THE EXISTING BUILDING AND PARK FIELD.
SO THIS, THE SECOND ONE, AND WE'LL GO BACK TO THAT.
SO THIS SHOWS YOU UNDERNEATH, THIS IS THE EXISTING BUILDING IN WHITE.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE, UM, THE INTENT ALWAYS IN THE FRONT WAS TO REUTILIZE THE EXISTING CIRCULATION INTO THE SITE.
UM, AND THEN THERE IS PARKING HERE TODAY.
SO THE PARKING, SOME OF THE PARKING'S BEEN LAID OUT THE SAME WAY.
THERE'S ALSO PARKING IN THE REAR WHERE SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL IS LOCATED AS WELL.
BUT THE, YOU CAN SEE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING TODAY.
ALLISON, I WAS AT THAT, UH, SUPERVISOR MEETING WHEN YOU GUYS COME IN, WHEN YOU FOLKS COME IN AND PRESENTED.
AND I, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER SOME OF THE, BECAUSE I, I FELT THAT THEY GAVE, THEY GAVE, UH, SOME PUSHBACK, THE SUPERVISORS.
DO YOU THINK YOU ADDRESSED EVERYTHING THAT WAS, THAT YOU HEARD AT LEAST THAT NIGHT? UM, I THINK PRI I MEAN, THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMENTS I BELIEVE WERE DIRECTED AT THE RESIDENTIAL.
SO YES, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE, UM, AND WE WERE JUST PUTTING TOGETHER THAT WE WANTED TO PROVIDE TO THE TOWNSHIP AND IN PARTICULAR THE SUPERVISORS, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS VOICED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, FINANCIAL IMPACT AND IMPACT TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
SO WE HAVE ENGAGED, UM, A FISCAL CONSULTANT THAT'S PUT THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER.
UM, THERE ARE FINANCIAL TO THE TOWNSHIP, IT IS IN NET POSITIVE FOR BOTH THE TOWNSHIP AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, BOTH ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE AND THE COMMERCIAL SIDE.
WE'VE SEGREGATED THOSE AND WE CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION THAT REPORT TO THE TOWNSHIP FOR EVERYONE TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
I KNOW PARKING WAS ONE OF THE EXECUTIVE TALK ABOUT, I THINK HEIDI WAS ANOTHER ONE, RIGHT? BUILDING I DIDN'T, DIDN'T QUESTION.
I MEAN, THE BILL, I THINK PART OF THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT, BECAUSE STACK TOWNHOUSE UNITS ARE NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE HERE RIGHT NOW.
IT'S, IT WAS MORE ABOUT HOW DO THEY WORK AND CORRECT.
HOW DO THEY FIT AND HOW TALL ARE THEY? AND DAVE CAN PROBABLY SPEAK A LITTLE MORE TO THAT.
I MEAN, WE WE'RE GONNA KEEP IT.
DO YOU WANT ME TO COME UP THERE? YEAH, YOU BETTER.
UM, SO THE, THE STACKED TOWN HOMES WILL PROBABLY BE IN THE 42 TO 44 FOOT HEIGHT RANGE.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T FULLY ENGINEERED THE, THE SITE AND WE HAVEN'T COME UP WITH THE ELEVATIONS YET, BUT THAT'S THE TYPE OF PRODUCT THAT WE'VE DONE IN OTHER LOCATIONS.
IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE A 60 FOOT BUILDING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT, IT'S, IT LOOKS TRADITIONAL LIKE A, LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY.
I, I'M JUST TRYING TO REMEMBER THE, THAT THERE, THEIR ISSUES THAT NIGHT AND THE, WAS THERE ANYTHING SPECIFIC ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL THING? AGAIN, I'M KIND OF REMEMBER THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, ARE THEY, DO YOU HAVE RENTERS? DO YOU HAVE 'EM ALREADY LINED UP? YEAH.
THAT, THAT WAS DEFINITELY A QUESTION.
UM, AND, AND THE ANSWER IS YES.
SO IN THE, SINCE WE SAW YOU IN JANUARY, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF LOIS FROM CREDIT TENANTS, SPECIALTY GROCER, REAL LEGITIMATE INTEREST HERE.
SO IT'S, IT'S PRETTY EXCITING TO BE WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND HAVE THE LEVEL OF INTEREST AND ACTIVITY THAT WE HAVE ON THE SITE.
I MAY HAVE ASKED THIS QUESTION BEFORE, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE ANSWER WAS, BUT IS THERE, IS THERE ANY REASON THAT YOU COULDN'T ADAPT THE EXISTING BUILDING SO THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO DEMO THAT? IT JUST KIND OF HURTS ME TO SEE THAT GO TO WASTE.
YEAH, SO IT WAS SET UP AS AN OFFICE BUILDING.
SO TO REUSE IT FOR ANYTHING, EVEN MULTIFAMILY, IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE IT'S EXTREMELY DEEP AND THERE'S A LOT OF WINDOWS.
SO YOU'D HAVE, YOU'D END UP HAVING A LOT OF INTERIOR, LIKE CORE SPACE
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THAT'S LIKE CIRCULATION AND YOU WOULDN'T REALLY BE ABLE TO MAXIMIZE THE USE OF THE BUILDING.UM, IT'S, IT'S TRULY SET UP AS A, AS A MEDICAL OFFICE, OFFICE BUILDING.
I MEAN, IT, THE TO ADAPT WOULD REUSE IT.
MAYBE IT COULD BE STORAGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE HIGHEST BEST USE FOR THE SITE.
NOT EVEN NO, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
YEAH, IT, IT, IT WOULD LAY OUT GREAT FOR THAT.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, SINCE IT'S DEEP, YOU CAN JUST STACK STORAGE UNITS INSIDE IN A DARK BUILDING, RIGHT.
BUT IN ORDER TO HAVE MARKETABLE, YOU KNOW, EITHER CONDOS OR APARTMENTS, YOU NEED TO HAVE AS MUCH GLASS AND OPEN SPACE AS POSSIBLE.
AND BECAUSE IT'S DEEP, YOU'RE LIMITED WITH WHAT YOU CAN DO.
UNFORTUNATELY, I WAS THINKING OF GROCERY STORES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE ACTUALLY THOUGHT ABOUT CAN YOU ADAPT TO REUSE THAT AND MAYBE PUT A GYM IN THERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT THE, THE PROBLEM IS IT'S 50,000 SQUARE FEET PER FLOOR.
SO TO CHOP THAT UP AND, AND REALLY MAKE IT ALL WORK IS, IS VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, I ASSUME THEY, THEY WERE NINE FOOT CEILING HEIGHTS AND PROBABLY FOUR TO FIVE FEET ABOVE THE FALL CEILING.
YEAH, I MEAN, THE CEILING'S IN THERE THAT THE, THE CEILING HEIGHTS AREN'T, AREN'T AN ISSUE.
UM, IT'S MORE SO THAT JUST THE OVERALL DIMENSIONS OF THE FLOOR PLATE, IT JUST DOESN'T WORK FOR RESIDENTIAL.
IT, IT WORKS FOR MEDICAL OFFICE OR LARGE SCALE OFFICE.
BUT I THINK WE ALL CAN AGREE THAT THAT KIND OF USE IS NOT REALISTIC ANYMORE IN THIS ENVIRONMENT.
THE OTHER THING TOO THAT I JUST WANT TO NOTE, I'M SORRY IF I INTERRUPTED.
UM, WE ADDED SOME WALKING AND CONNECTIVITY TO, UM, THE SKATE PARK AND THE PARK THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT HERE AT THE TOWNSHIP BUILDING THAT WASN'T THERE.
UM, ON THE PREVIOUS PLAN, YOU CAN SEE THAT KIND OF IN THE TOP LEFT PORTION OF THE PLAN WHERE THOSE BROWN, UH, YEAH, THERE YOU GO.
UM, WHERE THE, THE BROWN WALKWAYS ARE.
SO THOSE ARE ALL GONNA BE LIKE, UM, LIKE A MCCADA WALKING PATH SO THAT IT LOOKS REALLY, YOU KNOW, HIKING ESQUE AND KIND OF CONNECTS INTO EVERYTHING ELSE THAT THE TOWNSHIP HAS BEEN DOING HERE WITH THE, WITH THE PARKS IN THE FIELDS.
YOU KNOW WHAT, UM, I HAVE A COMMENT, SPEAKING OF CONNECTIVITY, UM, WHICH I THINK IS A, IS A GREAT POINT.
UM, I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THIS MIX OF, UH, RESTAURANT AND OTHER USES OUT SORT OF ON THE STREET SIDE.
UH, IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, UH, SOME OF THOSE CUSTOMERS MIGHT BE DRAWN FROM THE RESIDENTIAL TOTALLY HERE ON SITE.
NOW I'M WONDERING WHETHER THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO DEVELOP MORE OF A CONNECTION FOR A WALKING PATH FROM THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE OVER TO THIS WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE PARKING LOT OR WALK ACROSS ASPHALT.
SO THAT, THAT'S, NO, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
SO ONE THING THAT WE ALL WE WILL DO THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY DEPICTED ON HERE, BECAUSE THIS IS THE LINE DRAWING, IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE, DO YOU HAVE THE CLICKER? I'M SORRY.
NO, I WAS GONNA SAY YOU SHOULD.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, THERE'S AN EXISTING CREEK, UM, RIGHT IN THIS AREA THAT RIGHT HERE.
AND RIGHT HERE, THERE'S ACTUALLY A WALKING BRIDGE.
SO THE INTENT IS TO KEEP THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE.
SO THERE IS CONTINUITY AND WALKING BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL RIGHT INTO HERE.
THERE'S ALSO A WALKING PATH AS EVERYONE KNOWS ON BLACKROCK ROAD, THAT WILL ALSO, YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE ARE BACK HERE AT THE TOWNSHIP BUILDING, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO WALK DOWN, TAKE THE PATH, AND THEN GO RIGHT IN AND SHOP AND ENJOY THE, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING IN THIS WHOLE VICINITY.
YEAH, IT'S GOOD TO GET SOME, SOME THINKING IN THAT REGARD.
EVEN EVEN TO THE, TO THE TOP OF THE PAGE THROUGH THE LANDSCAPE AREA.
IT MIGHT BE, UH, A NICE AREA TO, UH, DEVELOP AS A PATH.
'CAUSE THAT WAY PEDESTRIANS AREN'T TRAVERSING ASPHALT TOTALLY.
WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THIS AND REALLY BE A LIFESTYLE CENTER WHERE PEOPLE CAN WALK AROUND AND, AND IT'S KIND OF ALL ENCOMPASSING PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA BE LIVING HERE.
THEY'LL SHOP HERE, THEY'LL EAT HERE.
THERE'S GONNA BE RESTAURANTS IN HERE, UM, AND MAKE IT ALL ONE BIG COMMUNITY ESSENTIALLY.
WHAT'S THE PRICE RANGE FOR THE HOUSING AT THIS POINT? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? YEAH, THEY'RE GONNA BE IN THE FOUR HUNDREDS LOW FOUR HUNDREDS I'D SAY.
I SAY THAT BLENDED, THE LOWER UNIT MIGHT BE IN THE HIGH THREES.
THE, YOU KNOW, THE UPPER UNIT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, IT JUST DEPENDS, BUT BLENDED IN, IN THE LOW FOURS.
I WASN'T HERE FOR THE, UM, JANUARY MEETING.
WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OF HOW THIS MODEL AND VISION SEEMS, AT LEAST TO ME, MAYBE I'M OFF, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S PTC JUNIOR AND, AND HOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PROVINCETOWN CENTER AND THE VIABILITY OF IT.
WE, WE, WE TIED IT THAT PROFIT TOWN CENTER AT ALL.
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THINK, I THINK WE DID DISCUSS WHAT OTHER USAGE FOR THIS PROPERTY AND HE MENTIONED, UH, STORAGE AND NONE, NOBODY LIKED THE STORAGE.I, YOU KNOW, STORAGE KIND OF A PLACE, RETAIL PLACE, UM, IS THE ONLY THING THAT'S STANDING OUT TO ME IS WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ON THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES GOING UP AT PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER AND HOW THE VIABILITY OF THAT IS GONNA BE IN THE FUTURE WITH, YOU KNOW, ARE ALL THOSE SPACES, RETAIL SPACES IS GONNA BE RIGHT THERE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT COMES TO MY MIND IS, HEY, YOU, YOU GONNA HAVE RESIDENTS IN THERE, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF THE RETAIL ISN'T SUCCESSFUL? I THINK THAT WAS THE POINT THAT THEY, I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF, TO YOUR POINT, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THE SUPERVISORS WERE ASKING ABOUT AT THEIR MEETING.
UH, UM, AFTER WE PRESENTED THIS TO THEM.
UM, WHAT THEY ASKED THAT SAME QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE VIABILITY OF SOMEBODY ACTUALLY MOVING INTO THESE RETAIL SPACES? SO, AND I CAN JUST KIND OF GIVE A LITTLE MORE COLOR ON THAT TOO.
UM, THE PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER SPACE IS LIKE 15 TO 18-YEAR-OLD SHOPPING CENTER SPACE, RIGHT? IT'S A LOT OF SMALL FORMAT, AWKWARD DIMENSION SPACE THAT'S KIND OF TUCKED REALLY FAR AWAY FROM ANY VISIBILITY.
AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THE TENANTS THAT WANT TO BE HERE IN THIS LOCATION, THEY'RE REFUSING TO GO TO PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER 'CAUSE THEY DON'T THINK THEIR BUSINESS WILL ACTUALLY GET THE VISIBILITY AND THE TRAFFIC THAT THEY NEED.
SO THAT'S WHY WHEN THEY SEE THIS PROJECT COME ACROSS WITH ALL THE ACCESS AND VIEWS FROM BLACKROCK ROAD AS WELL AS ROUTE 29, WE'RE GETTING LIKE A CRAZY INFLUX OF PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED RESTAURANTS.
I MEAN, WE WOULDN'T BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS THE WAY THAT WE ARE.
THIS IS A HUNDRED THOUSAND PLUS SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL.
AND I CAN TELL YOU CONFIDENTLY THAT EVEN AT THIS POINT, WE COULD PROBABLY EXECUTE ON 70% OF IT RIGHT NOW.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE LEVEL OF INTEREST THAT WE HAVE ON SITE, WHICH IS LIKE REALLY, I THINK, EXCITING OBVIOUSLY.
WHAT'S THE DEMOGRAPHIC YOU BELIEVE WILL PRIMARILY FILL THE RESIDENTIAL AREA? WHAT AGE GROUP ARE WE LOOKING AT? MOST LIKELY? I PERSON IT AT THAT PRICE POINT.
IT'S MOST LIKELY GONNA BE DOWNSIZING EMPTY NESTERS THAT WANT TO STAY HERE IN, IN THE MARKET, BUT THEY DON'T MAYBE WANT TO HAVE A 3,500 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE AND PROBABLY FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS.
UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS.
WILL THEY LOOKING BE LOOKING FOR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION OR WILL THEY BE LIKELY COMMUTING? UM, I DON'T KNOW, BUT EACH ONE OF THESE HOUSES WILL HAVE TWO CAR GARAGE.
SO THERE'LL BE AT LEAST TWO, TWO CAR SPACES FOR EACH PERSON THAT'S, YOU KNOW, LIVING IN THE UPPER AND LOWER UNIT.
SO REALLY FOUR SPACES PER ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, STACKED HOUSE.
UM, I COULD SEE IT GOING EITHER WAY.
I MEAN, THERE IS SOME, THERE'S THERE'S OFFICE IN, IN THE MARKET THAT PEOPLE COULD MAYBE BE DRIVING TO OR, OR MAYBE EVEN WALKING TO.
WHO KNOWS, PEOPLE MIGHT LIVE ACROSS THE STREET TRANSPORTATION REGION.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF, DO WE HAVE THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION TO SUPPORT THE RESIDENTS THAT MIGHT BE LIVING THERE THAT YOU'D EXPECT TO BE MOVING, POTENTIALLY WANTING TO LIVE THERE, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO DRIVE ANYWHERE BECAUSE THEY, I I WILL SAY THAT, THAT THIS SITE IS ON OUR, ONE OF OUR ONLY BUS LINES ON OUR, OUR ONLY SET LINE.
OUR ONLY SET LINE RUNS ON AROUND THIS AREA, DOWN THROUGH PROVINCETOWN CENTER A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN DOWN 29 THROUGH THE PHOENIXVILLE.
SO IT ACTUALLY WOULD SUPPORT THAT.
AND THERE IS THERE, I KNOW THAT THERE'S A BUS STOP ON IT'S A GOOD QUESTION THOUGH.
SIGN AND, AND LOOK, IF, IF I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE IT.
YEAH, IT, IT, FROM MY OPINION, IF THE TRAIN EVER DOES GET TO PHOENIXVILLE, WHICH THIS WEEK IT IS NEXT WEEK, IT MAY NOT.
I MEAN,
THERE'S GONNA BE A BIGGER PUSH TO HAVE MORE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION ON ROUTE 29.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE MAIN CONNECTION FROM EVERYTHING THIS SIDE OF THE RIVER ACROSS THAT TRAIN STATION.
AND I, I THINK THIS POSITIONS ITSELF WELL TO BE A HUB FOR THAT.
AND JUST TWO OTHER THINGS THAT I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT WE ADDRESSED FROM BOTH THE FIRST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AS WELL AS THE BOARD SUPERVISORS MEETING.
UM, ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS AROUND THIS CURB CUT AND MAKING SURE THAT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, VIABLE.
SO WHAT WE ACTUALLY DID HERE AFTER, YOU KNOW, GREG LOOKED AT IT, IS WE RELOCATED IT.
THE EXISTING CURB CUT IS ESSENTIALLY RIGHT HERE.
SO WE RELOCATED IT FURTHER DOWN THE STREET SO WE CAN GET BETTER VISIBILITY IF YOU'RE MAKING YOUR TURN IN OR OUT.
AND ALSO WE'RE PROPOSING TO WIDE NET TO 24 FEET SO THAT IT'S A TRUE IN OUT.
UM, AND THEN ALSO WE ADDED THIS SECONDARY CURB CUT, WHICH ALLISON DID MENTION IN THE OPENING COMMENTS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE KIND OF SAW THIS SO THAT IT'S A TRUE RELEASE VALVE FOR TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT FOR THAT THAT'S COMING HERE FOR THE COMMERCIAL.
AND WE CUT OFF THE DRIVEWAY THAT WAS HERE,
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WHICH OTHERWISE COULD HAVE BEEN AN ISSUE, WHICH I THINK SOMEONE ON THE, ON THE COMMISSION HAD MENTIONED AT OUR FIRST MEETING ABOUT CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC.WE DIDN'T WANT SOMEONE ZIPPING THROUGH HERE AND CLIPPING SOMEBODY OR, OR GETTING INTO AN ACCIDENT, YOU KNOW.
SO THOSE WERE TWO OTHER THINGS THAT I JUST WANTED TO, TO HIGHLIGHT.
WELL, THAT'S A GOOD, UH, GOOD TIME TO ASK OUR, UH, CONSULTANTS HERE.
DO UH, ANTHONY OR JEN, ANY QUESTIONS OR PROBLEMS OR ISSUES WITH ANY OF THIS? OR HAVE YOU GUYS REVIEWED IT MUCH OR, UM, FROM THE TRAFFIC SIDE, WE HAVEN'T, I THINK, YOU KNOW, COORDINATION WITH THE APPLICANT AND, AND GREG FROM TRAFFIC PLANNING IS ON THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
THERE WAS A TRAFFIC IMPACT ASSESSMENT THAT WAS SUBMITTED NOT TOO LONG AGO.
WE HAVEN'T, IT'S ONLY BEEN A FEW DAYS, SO WE HAVEN'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, ROLLED UP OUR SLEEVES I GUESS, UH, TO TAKE A LOOK, UH, AT IT YET.
BUT, UH, THERE, THERE HAS BEEN GOOD COORDINATION BETWEEN OUR OFFICES AND, UM, TRAFFIC PLANNING AND DESIGN IN TERMS OF SOME INITIAL, UM, INPUT AND CONCERNS.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT STOOD OUT THAT WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT YET THAT WE WILL, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE DISTANCE IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED.
THERE'S A FEW VERTICAL CURVES AS YOU'RE APPROACHING BLACK ROCK.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT WAS PROBABLY LOOKED AT.
UM, BUT THAT WAS, THAT WAS AN INITIAL CONCERN OF OURS.
UM, THE, THE LEFT TURN LANES, EVEN WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD BE PROVIDED IN DIESEL CELL LANES WAS ANOTHER QUESTION OF OURS.
WE SEE LEFT TURN LANES ON THE PLAN.
UM, DESAL LANE, I BELIEVE FOR THE ONE ACCESS TWO OR NO? YEAH.
IS THAT A DESAL LANE? THAT WAS ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS.
WE HAD A DECELERATION LANE FOR THE NEW ACCESS ON BLACK FOR THE MIDDLE ACCESS THERE, OR DO YOU WANT TO TALK TO THAT? YEAH, I, UM, YEAH, AGAIN, GREG RICHARDSON, TRAFFIC PLANNING, UM, WE DID PROVIDE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ASSESSMENT, BUT UH, I WILL FOOTNOTE THAT WHEN WE ORIGINALLY COMPLETED IT, IT ONLY HAD THE RESIDENTIAL, WHAT I'LL CALL THE RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAY IN THE STUDY.
UM, SINCE THAT TIME WE'VE, WE'VE COMPILED THIS PLAN, UM, AND AS I, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR ANTHONY AND CASEY, UH, HAD LET THEM KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THE STUDY DID NOT ASSUME, UH, THE SECOND DRIVEWAY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PURPOSE OF THE REPORT IS TO TRY TO SEE WHAT THE IMPACT WAS OR WILL BE ON THE, UH, ADJACENT INTERSECTIONS.
AND CERTAINLY THIS BEING A PENDOT ROAD, WE WILL NECESS WE WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE ANALYSIS OF IT.
I WOULD SAY INITIALLY I CAN'T COMMIT TO IT, BUT I THINK IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO MAKE POSSIBLY HAVE A, A DESAL LANE, UH, ALONG THE FRONTAGE FOR THE, FOR THE COMMERCIAL DRIVEWAY.
UM, THE DESAL LANE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF UNITS, UH, MOST LIKELY IS NOT WARRANTED.
BUT, WE'LL, THAT'S CERTAINLY, WE PREFACE THE, THE SUBMISSION OF THE REPORT THAT IT IS A, WHAT WE CALL A TRAFFIC IMPACT ASSESSMENT, KNOWING THAT WE NEED TO DO WHAT I'LL CALL A FULL BLOWN TRAFFIC STUDY FURTHER ON.
BUT SINCE WE'RE STILL IN THE, THE FEELING OUT STAGE RIGHT NOW WITH THE PROJECT, UH, WE WANTED TO AT LEAST FOCUS ON THE ACCESS POINTS AND THE, THE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT INTERSECTIONS.
SO, UM, TO ANTHONY'S, UH, GIVE HIM THE BENEFIT, THE DOUBT HE HASN'T HAD A LOT OF TIME TO REVIEW IT.
UM, AND SOME OF THAT INFORMATION'S THERE, UH, WE WILL NEED TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
AND JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT, WE BASICALLY ENGAGED GREG AND HIS FIRM JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE ARE INTENDING TO DEVELOP HERE IN GENERALITIES WORKS, WHICH WE BELIEVE IT DOES, BASED OFF OF HIS ANALYSIS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DEFINITELY TWEAK THAT NEED TO BE MADE, THERE'S NO DOUBT.
UM, BUT FROM A TRAFFIC PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, WE BELIEVE THAT IT WILL WORK.
UH, JEN, ANYTHING FROM YOUR THING? WELL, SINCE THIS IS A REDEVELOPMENT SITE, UM, THERE'S ALREADY A LOT OF IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE OUT THERE, BUT FROM A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ASPECT, ARE YOU ABLE TO REUSE ANY OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S OUT THERE? OR WILL YOU BE PUTTING IN NEW BASINS? 'CAUSE I'M NOT SEEING YEAH.
SO ARE YOU LOOKING MORE FOR UNDERGROUND? UNDERGROUND AND WE'RE GONNA BE REUSING A LOT OF THE EXISTING TRENCHING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S ALREADY ON SITE.
OUR, OUR CONSULTANT, OUR CIVIL ENGINEER HAS THE ACTUAL AS-BUILTS, YEP.
THERE'S NOT CURRENTLY UNDERGROUND.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S LIKE A BASIN.
IF YOU GO TO ONE OF THE NEXT SLIDES, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT FROM OVER TOP.
UM, THE THERE, UM, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT.
THERE'S LIKE A, IT'S LIKE A, A STORM RAINWATER COLLECTION AREA.
RIGHT? THAT'S A SURFACE BASIN.
BUT WE'RE GONNA BE PUTTING EVERYTHING ON THE GROUND.
ALLISON, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR ANY, UH, ZONING CHANGES ON THIS AT ALL? YES.
SO WE WOULD NEED A ZONING CHANGE.
THE SITE IS ZONED IO DISTRICT, WHICH REALLY ONLY ALLOWS OFFICE, CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS LABORATORY, AND I THINK MAYBE
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PHARMACEUTICAL MANUFACTURING.I MEAN, IT WAS PRETTY SPECIFIC
SO, UM, I THINK EVEN IF SOMEBODY WERE PLANNING TO REUSE THE BUILDING, THEY MIGHT NEED A, SOME SORT OF ZONING CHANGE.
BUT YES, WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR A ZONING CHANGE.
AND, UM, I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING WE STARTED WITH THE COMMERCIAL AND, OR SORRY, I KEEP SAYING COMMERCIAL COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER DISTRICT, BECAUSE THAT DOES CONTEMPLATE THIS TYPE OF RETAIL AND SET UP.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT AND HOW THAT FITS INTO IT.
UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED.
HAVE YOU STARTED THE PROCESS YET? UM, WE STARTED PUTTING IT TOGETHER, BUT WE WANTED TO COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION FIRST AND THEN, YOU KNOW, GET YOUR FEEDBACK.
BECAUSE PARTICULARLY ON THE RESIDENTIAL END OF THINGS, THINGS KEPT GETTING TWEAKED.
SO IT'S LIKE WHATEVER I PUT ON PAPER, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WORKS AND IS SOMETHING THAT THE TOWNSHIP WANTS TO SEE HERE.
SO ON THE, ON THE, ON THE, THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, WE LITERALLY CAN USE THE DISTRICT PRETTY MUCH AS DRAFTED.
UM, THE PARKING REQUIREMENT IS VERY HIGH.
UM, WE'VE ACTUALLY TALKED TO JEFF ABOUT THAT.
THIS PLAN ACTUALLY DOES MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENT, BUT THERE HAS BEEN A DISCUSSION ABOUT, IT ACTUALLY IS SORT OF OVER PARKED UNDER TODAY'S STANDARDS.
SO PERHAPS THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENT ENDS UP BEING LESS, BUT RIGHT NOW WE CAN PARK IT BASED ON THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ALLISON OR, I THINK MR. PETERS HAD A QUESTION.
OH, WE, WE, TO FINISH GOING THROUGH THE SLOT.
WE ALSO HAVE PRETTY PICTURES TOO.
SO, SO THIS IS, UM, UH, DAVE, DO YOU WANNA DO IT? YEAH, MAYBE YOU SHOULD DO IT.
UM, OUR, OUR ARCHITECT COULD NOT BE HERE TONIGHT.
UM, SO THIS IS THE VIEW, THIS IS THE VIEW OF THE CORNER OF BLACKROCK AND ROUTE 29 KIND OF ELEVATED.
UM, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THAT CORNER, UM, LIKE V-SHAPED BUILDING THAT WILL HAVE MOST LIKELY A RESTAURANT AT THE CORNER WITH OUTDOOR SEATING.
UM, HERE'S A, AN ELEVATED KIND OF, UH, 3D VIEW, LIKE A DRONE VIEW ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT THAT SHOWS THE WHOLE CENTER WITH HOW IT PLEAS WITH THE, UM, RESIDENTIAL.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF THE, UM, JUNIOR BOX AS WELL AS THE GROCER THAT'S RIGHT HERE AT THE CORNER.
AND THE GRO THAT GROCER WOULD BE HERE.
JUST SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS ORIENTATION WISE, YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE.
UM, HERE'S JUST SOME MORE IMAGES OF WHAT THE RESTAURANT PADS WOULD LOOK LIKE THAT WERE IN THE FRONT.
IF YOU COULD ZOOM OUT A SECOND.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A KEY PLAN DOWN HERE THAT SHOWS THE VIEWS.
UM, YEAH, YOU SEE THAT LIKE WHERE MY POINTER IS? THERE YOU GO.
THESE, THESE ARE ALL BASICALLY FROM ROUTE 29.
SO THIS IS WHAT THE SEATING ARRANGEMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
THIS IS THE CORNER, UM, RESTAURANT.
THIS IS IN ONE OF THE PADS, BANG PAD.
AND THIS IS ANOTHER PAD WITH OUTDOOR SEATING.
HERE'S A VIEW OF THE TOWN HOMES.
UM, THIS IS THAT WALKING TRAIL THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
UH, HERE'S A VIEW FROM THE TOWN OF THE TOWN HOMES FROM THE PARKING LOT OF, UH, THE COMMERCIAL.
SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A REALLY BIG SETBACK.
AND THIS KIND OF BURNED HILL IS WHERE THAT CREEK IS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
UM, HERE'S ANOTHER VIEW OF WHAT THE TOWN HOMES WILL LOOK LIKE FROM THE FRONT.
AND THEN HERE'S SOME MORE VIEWS OF TOWN HOMES WITH OPEN SPACE IN THE REAR.
AND THESE ARE SOME NEWER RENDERINGS THAT WE, WE PUT TOGETHER, SPECIFICALLY THESE TWO HERE, WHICH SHOWCASE THE HISTORIC HOUSE.
I KEEP SAYING HISTORIC, I SHOULD SAY THE OLD FARMHOUSE.
UM, AND WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT DOING HERE.
AND WE'RE REALLY OPEN TO KIND OF COLLABORATION POTENTIALLY WITH THE TOWNSHIP.
BUT INITIALLY WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT DOING IS SINCE THERE IS A WALKING PANEL ON CONNECTIVITY HERE, THIS COULD BE A GREAT ADAPTIVE REUSE, UM, FOR LIKE A COFFEE SHOP SO THAT PEOPLE CAN STOP BY WALK PA, WALK BY HERE, UM, POTENTIALLY HAVE OUTDOOR PATIO SEATING WITH A COFFEE PURVEYOR.
AND WE THINK THAT COULD BE A VERY COOL DIFFERENT USE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SET IN STONE.
THIS SPACE CAN WE CAN, WE CAN WORK WITH THE TOWNSHIP IF THERE'S NEEDS WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP POTENTIALLY.
BUT YOU, YOU, YOU, WE WERE KEEPING IT.
YOU KEEP THAT WE WERE KEEPING IT RENOVATED.
SO THE MATURE TREES THAT ARE IN THESE PICTURES, ARE THOSE THERE AND GOING TO BE PRESERVED? 'CAUSE THAT IS SO BEAUTIFUL.
WE WANT TO KEEP AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE.
SO SOME, THE AREAS WHERE THE HOMES ARE CURRENTLY IS, IS AN EXISTING PARKING LOT.
BUT ALL AROUND THE EDGES OF THE PROPERTY, THERE'S AMAZING BIG TREES THAT'S, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE
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NOT TOUCHING IT, IT'S STAYING EXACTLY AS IT IS.THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE UNIQUE PARTS ABOUT THE PLAN BECAUSE THEY'RE, THE SITE IS ALREADY KIND OF GRADED AND HAS ALL THIS INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE WANT TO KEEP IT ALL SO THAT WE CAN KEEP AS MUCH OPEN GREEN SPACE AS POSSIBLE AND MAINTAINED THAT
WOULD THERE BE ANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR LIKE, UM, GATHERING SPOTS FOR SAY, UM, SOME TYPE OF MUSIC OR COMMUNITY IN SOMEWHERE ON THE PROPERTY OF THINK LIKE THE HISTORIC THE FARM CENTERS? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
I MEAN, THAT'S A GREAT USE OF THAT SPACE.
IT, IT'S ACTUALLY A VERY COOL BUILDING.
THERE'S GIANT CEILINGS IN THERE.
I THINK IT WAS AN OLD FARM HUB FARMHOUSE AT SOME POINT.
UM, SO TOTALLY LIKE WE'RE OPEN TO KIND OF COLLABORATING AND FIGURING OUT THE BEST USE FOR THAT SPACE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A COFFEE SHOP.
WHAT WE DO KNOW IS WE'RE GONNA, IT'S KIND OF MOTHBALLED RIGHT NOW AT THE MOMENT, BUT WE'RE GONNA TAKE IT BACK TO ITS GLORY.
YOU KNOW, DO AN ADAPTIVE REUSE OF IT AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST TENANT OR USER OR, YOU KNOW, USE, MAYBE NOT A USER, BUT JUST A GENERAL USE COULD BE QUESTION.
AND MAYBE THIS IS AHEAD OF ITS TIME A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UM, THE PICTURES ARE REALLY NICE.
ARE YOU GOING TO BUILD THE FACILITIES OR ARE YOU JUST GONNA SAY PAD SITE AVAILABLE, THEN ANYBODY COMES IN AND PUTS AN IOP OR WHATEVER? NO, SO MY COMPANY, WE ARE DEVELOPERS AND BUILDERS, SO WE'RE GONNA BE BUILDING THIS ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THE CONVERSATION WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO YET, BECAUSE IT DEFINITELY IS A WAYS DOWN THE ROAD, IS WHEN WE DO THE, WHEN WE DO THE ZONING AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME, SOME, SOME PRETTY HEFTY DESIGN GUIDELINES BECAUSE AS PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER CURRENTLY HAS, THEY HAVE A WHOLE DESIGN BOOK THAT WE CAME UP WITH AT THE TIME FOR EVERY TENANT WHEN THEY COME IN AND HOW THEY DO IT.
AND I'M SURE IT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO DO BECAUSE IT LOCKS YOU INTO A LOOK.
IT LOCKS YOU INTO A FEELING THERE.
AND THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, YOU ALWAYS GET ONE VENDOR WHO COMES IN AND GOES, WELL, I, I, THAT'S JUST NOT US.
I WANT TO HAVE A METAL METAL WALL.
AND, AND IF THE BOOK SAYS YOU DON'T HAVE IT, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT.
SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE WILL WORK ON THOSE THINGS.
AND, AND THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE DON'T HAPPEN HERE.
I DON'T, AND I SAID IT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING IN OUR FIRST MEETINGS, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TALL SIGNS.
I DON'T WANT THESE SIGNS TO BE VISIBLE FROM 4 22 BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEN IT BECOMES A TRUCK STOP.
BECAUSE THEN IT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT LOOK FOR THE WHOLE THING.
WE, WE WANT TO HAVE HUMAN SCALE SIGNS AND, AND, AND APPEARANCES AND, AND FINISHES, NOT JUST METAL AND, AND NEON.
AND SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I'M SURE THEY'RE WILLING TO DO.
BUT WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THAT CONVERSATION YET.
SO THE GOOD NEWS IS, IS WHAT YOU KIND OF HAVE SEEN, THAT'S WHAT THE RETAILERS HAVE SEEN AND THEY ALL LOVE THE VIBE OF WHAT THE DESIGN LOOKS LIKE.
SO, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS THIS IS IN THE RHYTHM OF WHAT YOU GUYS ARE ENVISIONING FOR THE SITE, IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE THIS.
AND IF THERE'S TWEAKS, WE'LL MAKE TWEAKS.
IT'S CERTAINLY BETTER THAN WHAT, YOU KNOW, I BEEN DEALING WITH BUILDING SITTING THERE, THAT'S FOR SURE.
OR A STORAGE UNIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, IT'S CERTAINLY, UH, AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM ANYBODY? TOM, THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I WOULD THROW IN, YOU'RE GONNA BE GETTING INTO THE, THE TRAFFIC ASPECT OF THIS.
YOU SAID YOU BUILT SITE PLANNING.
UM, THE ONLY THING THAT COMES TO MIND IS WITH THE BIG BOX RETAIL, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME TRACTOR TRAILER DELIVERIES AND HOW ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT TRUCK TRAFFIC GETTING IN AND OUT OF THE SITE? UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE, THE, THE LAYOUT LOOKS LIKE, UH, THERE ARE SOME PINCH POINTS THERE.
SO WE, WE HAVE, UM, THERE'S KIND OF, IF YOU COULD ZOOM IN JEFF, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
SO WE, WE, WE'VE DEFINITELY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT'S A REALLY, REALLY GOOD POINT.
AND I AGREE IT WAS SOMETHING WE HAD TO TAKE INTO PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CONSIDERATION.
SO THIS TURNING RADIUS HERE KIND OF COMES IN THROUGH HERE AND THIS IS WHERE OUR LOADING IS GOING TO BE.
SO I, I KNOW IT LOOKS KIND OF, UM, SHALLOW, BUT THIS IS LIKE ALMOST 60 FEET BASICALLY HOW THEY GET BACK, I THINK IS WHAT JARED YEAH.
SO THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD COME IN DOWN HERE, THROUGH HERE, AND THEN THERE'S A, THIS IS A 30 FOOT WIDE ROAD THAT THEY WOULD TAKE DOWN AND THEN COME AROUND.
SO YOU DON'T SEE ANY KIND OF, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TRACK, BUT I THINK JERRY MAKES A GREAT POINT.
I MEAN, THE TRUCK'S PULLING DOWN THERE AND YOU GOT ALL THESE PEOPLE PULLING THROUGH DRIVE THROUGHS AND, AND SITTING OUT THERE EATING AND STUFF, AND YOU GOT A DIESEL PUMPING DIESEL OUT THROUGH US GOING DOWN THAT ROAD.
YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T SEE ANY CONFLICT BETWEEN THE RESTAURANTS AND THE, AND AND THE TRUCK GOING DOWN BACK, YOU KNOW, PAST THAT.
I MEAN, LOOK, THE, THE REALITY IS I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT AS
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WE GET FURTHER DOWN, YOU KNOW, THE REFINING THE TRAFFIC ON THE SITE, WE WILL DEFINITELY BE LOOKING AT THAT.BUT ONE THING TO CONSIDER IS DELIVERIES IN ANY CENTER, THERE'S HOURS FOR DELIVERY, RIGHT? IT'S NOT LIKE THEY CAN DELIVER AT 10 O'CLOCK AND THEN ANOTHER TRUCK COMES IN AT 11 O'CLOCK AND THEN ANOTHER ONE AT ONE O'CLOCK.
THERE'S ON, ON PEAK OFF PEAK HOURS WHERE THEY, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE RETAILERS ARE PERMITTED TO HAVE DELIVERIES.
SO WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY INSTITUTE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEN WE, WE WILL ALSO LOOK AT THE CIRCULATION AS WE GET FURTHER DOWN THE, DOWN THE LINE.
IF THEY CAN CONVINCE US TO LOWER THE PARKING NUMBER, MAYBE THEY'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE GREEN.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE A BAD IDEA.
YEAH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF PARKING NOW.
SOME OF THAT IS DRIVEN OFF OF, YOU KNOW, UH, SPECIALTY GROCERS LIKE TO HAVE A LOT OF PARKING.
SO THERE IS SOME DRIVER BEHIND THAT.
BUT, UM, THERE'S, IT IS DEFINITELY OVER PARKED, THAT'S FOR SURE.
NICOLE, ANYTHING ELSE? BOB? AJ WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO HERE? UH, MR. PETERS IS GONNA ASK A QUESTION.
YOU WANT THIS? NO, I DON'T NEED.
UH, TO FURTHER WITH MRS. MS. ADE'S COMMENT, I ENVY THE BUDGET FOR ALL THE HUGE TREES THAT ARE GONNA BE PUT IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
'CAUSE THAT'S NOW ASPHALT, BUT THAT'S JUST A COMMENT IN SERIES.
BUT I, I ASSUME THAT, UH, CHIEF ELL AND HIS STAFF WILL BE REVIEWING THIS EMS ACCESS FOR THESE CUTOUTS ON BLACKROCK AND THE ACCESS, IT WAS AT THE SUPERVISOR'S MEETING THAT HE WAS HERE AND HE WAS GOING TO ADDRESS IT.
OR MAYBE HE'S ALREADY ADDRESSED TO THAT.
DON'T KNOW, BUT HE WAS AWARE OF THE, BECAUSE I MEAN, THAT'S THE MOTION, OBVIOUS ACCESS TO THIS WHOLE AREA THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED.
WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO HERE? JOE? CAN I, COULD I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? I HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, SO YEAH, COULD YOU PULL UP THE, UH, SLIDE THAT SHOWED THE PREVIOUS, FOR THE EXISTING BUILDING LAID OVER THE, UH, SO JUST TO, YOU KNOW, PIGGYBACK ON WHAT MR. HEIS HAD BROUGHT UP.
I MEAN, THERE, THERE'S JUST SO MUCH EMBEDDED ENERGY, YOU KNOW, IN THAT EXISTING BUILDING.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING, YOU KNOW, WITH SOME CREATIVE, YOU KNOW, ARCHITECTURE AND DESIGN, IF YOU COULDN'T SOMEHOW, YOU KNOW, KEEP THAT SPACE, YOU KNOW, EVEN ADD TO IT IF YOU HAVE TO, TO GET THAT ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE.
AND YOU SAID THERE'S 50,000 SQUARE FEET PER FLOOR? PER FLOOR.
IT'S 150,000 SQUARE FEET TOTAL.
NOW IT LOOKS LIKE IT STEPS BACK AS IT GOES UP, OR NO.
SO IT'S, IT'S NICE ARCHITECTURE THAT'S, I GUESS, YOU KNOW.
AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, YOU KNOW, BOTH OF THOSE, WELL, THE THINGS ARE CONCERNED, ONE THING THAT WE WILL DO IS WE'RE GONNA BE REUSING THE MATERIALS ON SITE, SO WE'LL BE CRUSHING IT DOWN AND USING IT AS FILM FOR ANY OTHER EXCAVATION OR WORK THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S JUST GONNA GO TO A LANDFILL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND SAID IT'S GONNA BE USED ON SITE.
YOU KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, 1992, THAT WASN'T TOO LONG AGO.
I KNOW IT'S STRANGE TO SEE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, AS RECENTLY CONSTRUCTED AS THAT TO, TO HAVE TO GO AWAY.
UH, AND, AND WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN THE, IN HERB AS IT IS NOW? AND, AND I DON'T POST CONSTRUCTION NUMBER? DO YOU HAVE THAT? THE FIRST, THE FIRST PLAN? THE FIRST PLAN, WE DID HAVE THAT NUMBER ITERATIONS.
THE FIRST PLAN HAD ABOUT 56.2% IMPERVIOUS.
AND THE DISTRICT THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT ALLOWS MORE THAN THAT.
BUT WE WERE CERTAINLY UNDER IT, BUT WE WERE AT ABOUT 50, OH, YOU KNOW, 58% IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE HERE.
I MEAN, THE DIFFERENCE, IT'S GOTTEN BETTER.
IT'S ACTUALLY GOTTEN BETTER BECAUSE THE BACK HAD MORE DENSE STACK TOWNHOUSES AND WE'VE REDUCED 'EM.
SO OH, FROM YOUR OTHER PLAN? FROM THE OTHER PLAN? YEAH, BUT I, I MEAN THE EXISTING IMPERVIOUS.
OH, THE IMPERVIOUS VERSUS THE PROPOSED, DO I HAVE PERMISS? NO, THIS JUST HAS A REQUIRED, WE, I MEAN, THERE IS A RECORDED PLAN.
WE CERTAINLY CAN GET THAT INFORMATION, BUT I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME TONIGHT.
I'D BE CURIOUS OF THAT IMPACT, YOU KNOW, UM, I MEAN, I, I I ALSO SEE THERE'S A SEA OF PARKING THERE.
LOT OF PARKING RIGHT ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT BUILDING FRONT AND EVEN WHERE THE TOWNHOUSES ARE.
THAT'S A SIDE, THAT'S A LOT OF PARKING.
AND THEN, UH, WHAT'S THE LAST QUESTION? OH, YOU SAID THERE WAS A, A VEHICULAR BRIDGE OVER THE CREEK RIGHT NOW? NO, PEDESTRIAN.
OH, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT, UH, VEHICLES GETTING TO THAT BACK PARKING LOT OVER THE CREEK VEHICLE AND THAT YOU WERE CUTTING THAT OFF.
SO HAVE YEAH, WE CUT THAT OFF EXACTLY.
BUT IT IS A VEHICULAR BRIDGE THERE.
USED THERE, THERE WOULD'VE BEEN IN OUR PREVIOUS PLAN.
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YEAH.NOT, NOT THE NOT EXISTING CONDITIONS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
THE, THE EXISTING PLAN, IF YOU SEE THAT IT HAD A CONNECTION, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LEFT PLANT.
WE CUT THAT OFF SO THAT THERE'S NO CONFUSION ABOUT HOW TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE CENTER.
ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, MA'AM.
I WOULD LIKE, DO I NEED, NAME IT, YOU NEED TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF IN YOUR 74 Q CLUB ROAD.
WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A STACKED TOWNHOUSE? SO IT'S, UM, TWO UNITS.
NOW DO WE EACH OWN OUR OWN? YES.
ALL OF THEM WILL BE INDIVIDUALLY OWNED.
WHO'S GONNA TAKE CARE OF THEM? THERE'S AN HOA THERE WILL BE AN HOA? YES.
I JUST, HOW MANY, HOW TALL? HOW MANY UNITS? WE DON'T HAVE IT FULLY ENGINEERED YET, BUT IT'LL BE BETWEEN 42 AND 45 FEET, GIVE OR TAKE.
BUT REMEMBER THERE'S A GARAGE ON, ON GROUND.
YOU THINK THERE'S A MILLION MARKET FOR THAT AROUND HERE, THERE.
I MEAN, IT, IT'S A, IT'S REALLY AN ATTAINABLE, IT'S AN ATTAINABILITY LIVING SITUATION, RIGHT.
LIKE THERE'S NO PRODUCT LIKE THAT AND IT'S ENTRY LEVEL PRICE POINT OR A DOWNSIZING PRICE POINT.
I THINK WE HAVE PLENTY OF THAT, BUT OKAY.
I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE HECK WAS THE JAPANESE NO, TOTALLY.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
YEAH, THERE WOULD BE HOA, THERE WOULD BE A MASTER ASSOCIATION.
THERE WOULD BE A MASTER ASSOCIATION MANAGER, WHICH WOULD BE MY COMPANY.
UM, YEAH, WE HAVE TOTAL, WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE.
THIS IS A PRODUCT THAT WE'VE USED BEFORE.
ARE YOU LOCAL OR NATIONAL? PHILLY.
THAT REALLY, I JUST COULDN'T WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THOUGH.
DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT PRODUCTS.
I KNOW IT'S NOT, IT'S, THERE'S NO INVENTORY OF THAT HERE.
AND, AND IT, IT REALLY IS NEW TO THE SUBURBS.
BUT IT, IT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE SEEING A LOT OF PEOPLE ASK FOR BOTH IN A HOUSING TYPE AND TO BE CONSTRUCTED.
SO SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE APARTMENTS, BUT YOU BUY THEM.
UH, UH YEAH, I MEAN IT, YOU CAN HAVE A, INSTEAD OF AN APARTMENT BEING ONE LEVEL, THEY CAN BE TWO LEVELS.
SO IT, IT IS KIND OF LIKE, IF, THE WAY I THINK ABOUT IT IS IF YOU TAKE AN L AND AN L YES.
SO YOU HAVE AN L WHERE YOU MAY HAVE A LIVING AREA HERE AND THEN BEDROOMS HERE.
IT MIGHT BE THE OPPOSITE ON, ON THE OTHER SIDE.
BUT THE TWO LS FIT TOGETHER TO BE THREE STORIES WITH A GARAGE ON THE BOTTOM.
THE CLOSEST TO 4 22 DOWN IN KING OF PRUSSIA.
IF YOU GO BY THE NEW TOWN CENTER, THERE ARE HOMES THAT ARE CLOSE TO 4 22 THAT WERE DONE BY TOLL THAT ARE SIMILAR.
SO DRIVE BY THERE, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN SOME IN PHOENIXVILLE ALSO, WHERE THEY PUT ONE STORY ON THE BOTTOM AND THEN TWO STORIES ABOVE IT.
UM, AND THE DOWNSTAIRS FIRST FLOOR IS FOR HANDICAPPED AND THEN THE OTHER TWO ARE NOT.
YEAH, THERE'S LIKE THREE, THREE-ISH, FOUR ITERATIONS YOU CAN DO.
AND WE DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE WE'RE GONNA DO YET, BUT IT'S GONNA BE SOME COMBINATION OF THAT.
WE MIGHT OFFER SOME OF THEM IN ONE CONFIGURATION AND THEN ANOTHER POCKET AND ANOTHER CONFIGURATION THAT'S WAY DOWN THE LINE.
THANK ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OH, OF WORKS COURT OUT.
NOW JOE, WHAT DO WE GOTTA DO HERE TONIGHT? WELL, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS AN INFORMAL PRESENTATION, SO THERE'S NOT A SPECIFIC REQUEST RIGHT NOW.
I THINK THE SUPERVISORS WOULD BE JUST LOOKING FOR YOUR FEEDBACK ON WHETHER YOU'RE GENERALLY FAVORLY DISPOSED, UH, WITH RESPECT TO WHAT YOU'VE SEEN ON THIS CONCEPT.
AND HOW WOULD WE CONVEY THAT TO THE SUPERVISOR? AN A MOTION AND A, UM, I, I THINK YOU COULD MAKE A MOTION IF YOU, IF THAT'S HOW YOU ALL FEEL, UH, YOU COULD MAKE A MOTION THAT YOU, UH, SUPPORT THIS IN CONCEPT AND THEN LET THEM TAKE IT FROM THERE.
AND, AND THEY, WE WILL, WHEN THEY, WE WILL PREPARE THE MINUTES AND THEY CAN REVIEW THE MINUTES.
AND I ALSO DO A MANAGER'S REPORT AS PART OF THE MANAGER'S REPORT.
I'LL BE DOING IT FIRST THING TOMORROW MORNING BECAUSE IT'S GOING OUT TOMORROW.
AND I'LL REPORT ON HOW THIS WENT.
GENERALLY, WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO BE ANYTHING FORMAL.
WE ALSO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
GENERALLY, I'LL SAY THAT YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT IN CONCEPTS.
THERE ARE SOME TWEAKS YOU'D LIKE TO SEE, BUT, BUT GENERALLY YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT'S WHAT I SAID ABOUT THE LAST TIME.
YOU OKAY WITH IT IN CONCEPTS? A LITTLE BIT HESITANT ON THE DENSITY OF THE RETAIL IMPROVED.
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YOU.UM, SO WE GOT FOR, UH, MOVING FORWARD, JEFF, MOVING FORWARD NEXT MONTH, WHICH IS ACTUALLY IN TWO WEEKS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE REIFICATION, WE'RE GONNA TALK REIFICATION PART OF WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, NOT THE PACKET, BUT THE, THE OTHER ONE.
THIS IS THE CODE, THIS IS DETACHMENT CODE, THIS IS ALL OF IT.
I'M NOT GONNA, I DIDN'T SEND IT OUT, BUT, UM, YOU OBVIOUSLY AREN'T GONNA REVIEW IT.
WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS JUST A NICE REVIEW OF IT AND, AND A NICE SUMMARY OF WHAT YOU, WHAT'S CHANGED IN HERE.
YOU WANNA START WITH PAGE 11 THAT TALKS ABOUT SUBDIVISION LAND DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN YOU WANT TO GO TO PAGE, UM, 14, WHICH IS ZONING.
THE BIGGEST CONFUSION WITH THIS IS GOING TO BE THAT SUBDIVISION LAND DEVELOPMENT IS GOING FROM 1 54 SECTION, CHAPTER 1 54 TO CHAPTER TWO 70.
AND ZONING IS GOING FROM CHAPTER 180 2 TO CHAPTER 300.
AND WHAT ALL OF REIFICATION DOES IS GENERAL CODE, THE COMPANY THAT SORT OF MAINTAINS ORDINANCES FOR EVERYBODY, THEY GO THROUGH AND THEY LOOK AT YOUR ORDINANCE TO SEE WHERE YOU HAVE BAD CROSS REFERENCES, BAD LEGAL TERMS, NOT UP TO DATE LEGAL STUFF.
YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE, THEY GO THROUGH YOUR WHOLE ORDINANCE.
WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR ABOUT 18 MONTHS NOW, GOING THROUGH THIS AND BACK AND FORTH AND CLEANING UP THE LANGUAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR ORDINANCE IS THE, THE BEST LANGUAGE WE CAN HAVE UP TO NOW THAT REFLECTS THE CURRENT LAW AND THE CURRENT CURRENT CASES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IN DOING THIS, WE'VE ALSO DECIDED TO REARRANGE SUBDIVISION LAND DEVELOPMENT AND ZONING TO A SECTION FARTHER DOWN NUMERICALLY, BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU ADD A NEW SECTION OR YOU START AMENDING SECTIONS, YOU GET INTO 180 2, 1 70 POINT, ONE POINT B POINT D.
YOU KNOW, IT GETS REALLY CONFUSING WITH THESE LONG LISTS.
SO WE'VE SPACED IT OUT A LITTLE BIT AND WE'RE RENUMBERING EVERYTHING.
SO WE'RE GETTING RID GETTING RID OF SOME OF THE, THE HANGING CHATS, SO TO SPEAK.
UM, RIGHT NOW I THINK ALL WE NEED TO DO IS JUST SORT OF GO THROUGH THIS AND IF YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS NOW, THAT'S GREAT.
BUT ON APRIL 3RD, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA LOOK FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO GO IN FRONT OF THE BOARD.
ZONING AND SUBDIVISION MOSTLY ZONING IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE REST OF THE CODE.
THE REST OF THE CODE CAN JUST BE READOPTED, CORRECT JOE? UM, YES.
WELL, THE, THE, THE GOOD THING IS THE COMPANY, NOT ONLY DO THEY MAKE SURE ALL THE CROSS REFERENCES AND EVERYTHING ARE CLEANED UP, BUT THEY ALSO SEND OUT TO THE TOWNSHIP TO STAFF AND TO ME, UM, HUNDREDS OF QUESTIONS.
UH, THEY, WHERE THEY BREAK DOWN EVERY ORDINANCE AND SAY, YOUR ORDINANCE SAYS THIS, DO YOU, CURRENT TREND IS THIS, DO YOU WANT TO DO A, B, C, WITH? AND THEN ONTO THE NEXT QUESTION.
SO IT REALLY IS ALSO A REALLY GOOD CLEANING UP OF THE ORDINANCE.
WE'RE NOT CATCHING, IT DOESN'T CATCH EVERYTHING.
YOU NEVER CAN, BUT IT, IT, IT'S REALLY EFFECTIVE THAT WAY.
IT IS MORE THAN JUST TIDYING IT UP.
SOUNDS LIKE AI MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP OUT TOO.
THAT'S PROBABLY WHO DID IT ORIGINALLY.
UM, BUT, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE WILL NEED A RECORD, WE'LL NEED A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION, AT LEAST ON THE ZONING PART, UM, AT THE NEXT MEETING JUST TO, YOU KNOW, CROSS EVERY, CROSS, EVERY T AND DOT EVERY I OR WHATEVER IT IS.
AND, UM, BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT MORE SPECIFICALLY NEXT MEETING.
I JUST WANNA GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION.
NOW YOU'RE WELCOME TO LOOK AT THE CODE.
YOU ARE WELCOME TO COME IN AND LOOK AT THE FULL CODE IF YOU WANT TO.
UM, I THINK I SENT IT AROUND, OR IF I DIDN'T SEND IT AROUND, I CERTAINLY CAN.
IT IS QUITE UNWIELDY TO READ ONCE IT'S DONE HERE.
ONCE WE, ONCE THE BOARD ADOPTS IT, OUR CODE WILL REST ONLINE.
THAT'S THE MODERN WAY OF DOING THINGS.
EVERYBODY USED TO GET A CODE BOOK.
WE WILL ONLY HAVE TWO CODE BOOKS, ONE AT THE FRONT COUNTER AND ONE IN THE MANAGER'S OFFICE.
AND THOSE ARE REALLY JUST FOR REFERENCE, ONLY THE CODE ONLINE IS THE EASIEST AND FASTEST WAY TO FIND ANYTHING.
UM, AND THEN AT THE NEXT MEETING WE'LL ALSO HAVE, WELL, WE KEEP SAYING THIS, RESIDENTS OF PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER AND KLEIN ARE RESIDENTIAL.
WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED TO PROVIDE, BECAUSE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ON WHAT HAPPENED? IT, IT IS THE SAME STORY.
THEY, THEY JUST, THE PLANS DON'T GET CLEANED UP ENOUGH.
THEY HAVE TO BE CLEAN TO BE IN HERE.
I MEAN, THEY, THEY HAVE TO BE READY TO GO.
AND I REALIZE THAT YOU HAVEN'T WEIGHED IN ON YOUR OPINION ON IT YET, BUT FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE STANDPOINT, THOSE PLANS HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY CLEAN WITHOUT, WITH INSIDE, WITH INSIDE COMMENTS.
OUTSIDE AGENCY, WE OBVIOUSLY CAN'T CONTROL.
BUT BETWEEN JEN AND ANTHONY, THEIR LETTERS HAVE TO BE CLEAN AND READY TO GO SO THAT WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT STEP.
KLEIN ROAD, RESIDENTIAL AND RESIDENCE AND PROVINCE.
ON APRIL 17TH, I THINK WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S THE PLAN.
IF WE, I AM GONNA BE HAVING A MEETING WITH THE BOARD.
WE'RE STILL TRYING TO SCHEDULE IT
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THE SAME, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE SAME SORT OF DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD ABOUT LAND USES AND SPECIFIC AREAS OF LAND USE AND HOW THAT MIGHT CHANGE.AND THE BASIC QUESTION OF ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT, DISCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT, OR LET IT RIDE.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE BOARD.
I'M OBVIOUSLY GONNA BE EXPRESSING HOW YOU FELT ABOUT IT.
I'M GONNA TRY TO WRITE IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE I, AS WE TALKED ABOUT, THERE WERE AREAS THAT YOU, YOU SORT OF WANTED ME TO GET SOME LANGUAGE.
I'M HOPING TO HAVE THAT DONE BY APRIL 17TH.
SO YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AND THEN WE'LL MEET WITH THE BOARD AFTER THAT.
AND IT'LL SORT OF BE A, A LITTLE BIT OF A DRY RUN ON THE, ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THEM.
AND THEN THE EAC IN MAY WILL BE, AS WE TALKED ABOUT PRIOR TO THIS MEETING, ABOUT SOME HOA OUTREACH, ASSUMING THAT WE CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH SOME HOAS.
AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE AN HOA OR YOU KNOW, WHO'S ON YOUR HOA, PLEASE SEND THEM OUR DIRECTION BECAUSE WE'RE STILL TRYING TO NARROW DOWN PEOPLE IN THE SENSE OF TRYING TO KEEP L AWAKE OUT THERE.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE LATEST, WHAT PART COSTS AT THIS POINT? WHAT'S ACTIVE? WHAT'S OUR ROLE MOVING FORWARD? WE HAVE NO, WELL, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ROLE IS BECAUSE I RECEIVED AN APPLICATION FOR A REZONING AND A NEW PLAN.
THE APPLICATION IS FOR A ZONING TAX AMENDMENT.
THE BOARD INSTRUCTED ME TO FILE THAT APPLICATION, PUT IT ON FRIENDS OF, PUT IT ON OUR PARK HOUSE REFERENCE PAGE ON THE WEBSITE.
BUT WE'RE NOT TAKING THE ACTION AT THIS POINT.
THEY'RE NOT SCHEDULING IT FOR AN AGENDA.
THEY'RE NOT TAKING ANY ACTION AT ALL.
OKAY, QUESTIONS GOOD? I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.