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EVERYTHING THAT'S REASONABLE TO[CALL TO ORDER]
CALL THE ORDER THIS MEETING OF THE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MONDAY, DECEMBER 4TH.UM, IF EVERYONE RISES, THEY'RE ABLE AND JOIN IN THE PLEDGE OF STATES, AMERICA, AND STATES UNDER GOD INVIS, WEALTH, LIBERTY, AND JUSTICE.
[MOTION TO APPROVE BOARD AGENDA]
UH, EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK OVER OUR AGENDA.I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
[CEREMONIES]
AND NOW IF SUPERVISOR PEARSON, THE SUPERVISOR HIGGINS, WOULD JOIN DALENE AND I DOWN BY THE PODIUM, IF WE PASS OUR BUDGET TONIGHT.AND I ANTICIPATE, WE'LL, UM, THIS WILL BE THE LAST MEETING OF THE YEAR AND THE LAST MEETING FOR JOHN PEARSON AND LORI HIGGINS'.
UM, LORI'S BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR SIX YEARS.
JOHN HAS SERVED VARIOUS TERMS AND SERVED ON THE BOARD FOR 18 YEARS.
AND, UH, WE'RE GOING TO MISS THEM BOTH.
SO I THINK HELENE WANTED TO SAY A FEW WORDS.
I'M NERVOUS 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO DO THIS JOB WITHOUT THE TWO OF YOU.
AND, UH, I DUNNO IF YOU REMEMBER, BUT I CAN'T HEAR YOU.
I SAID I'M NERVOUS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO IN THIS POSITION WITHOUT THE TWO OF THEM.
WE RAN TOGETHER AND WE DECIDED AT JOE REESE'S HOUSE JUST ON A WHIM TO RUN TOGETHER, WHICH WAS THE CRAZIEST IDEA, AND WE ALL WON.
SO, UM, I'M REALLY GONNA MISS THEM OUT ON THE BOARD.
I'M GONNA MISS JOHN, I'M NOT GONNA FINISH YOUR SENTENCES ANYMORE.
I KNOW THAT'S A BIG THING FOR LAURIE.
I'M GONNA MISS THAT FROM YOU AND ALWAYS YOUR PRACTICAL POINT OF VIEW.
I SHOULD ALWAYS GO TO YOU AND, AND KNOW THAT I HAVE A SOUND PIECE OF ADVICE.
SO I'M GONNA MISS THE BOTH OF YOU.
I WANTED TO SAY, I WANTED TO SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT THIS GUY RIGHT HERE,
AND, UH, I'VE SERVED FOUR HELENE'S NOW IN YOUR, YOU'RE IN YOUR FIFTH YEAR, LAURIE SIX.
AND, UH, WE WEREN'T HERE FOR THE FIRST 12 WITH JOHN
AND, UH, BUT I WILL TELL YOU HE SERVED AS A MINORITY MEMBER OF THIS BOARD.
AND, UH, THAT'S TOM'S JOB NOW TO BE THE WATCHDOG, TO KEEP AN EYE OVER EVERYBODY'S SHOULDER, TO MAKE SURE THAT THINGS ARE RUNNING THE WAY THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO, AND THAT WE'RE ACTING IN A LEGAL MANNER.
ANOTHER PIECE THAT JOHN DID WAS GET THE BOARD EXPANDED TO FIVE MEMBERS WHEN THE POPULATION OF TOWNSHIP GREW TO WHERE WE NEEDED FIVE MEMBERS.
I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF NIGHTS WE NEED MORE THAN FIVE BRAINS TO FIGURE OUT SOME OF THE PROBLEMS. BUT, UH, ANYWAY, I JUST WANT TO, I I, I WANTED TO SAY A SPECIAL WORD ABOUT JOHN AND I THINK HE'S THE LAST, YOU'RE A NATIVE OF UPPER PROVIDENCE, RIGHT? BORN AND RAISED HERE.
JOHN'S BEEN A BUSINESS OWNER IN TOWNSHIP AND LIVED HERE A VERY LONG TIME.
AND, UH, I, ONE GREAT THING ABOUT JOHN IS, UH, I, IF I WANT TO KNOW WHO THE LITTLE GUY IN A FIGHT IS, I ALWAYS LOOK TO FIND OUT WHO'S JOHN IS ROOTING FOR.
AND, UH, SO ANYWAY, APPRECIATE YOU GUYS.
AND, UH, WE GOT A COUPLE OF PLAQUES FOR YOU.
AND THEN I GUESS WE'RE GONNA GET SOME PICTURES.
YEAH, I'LL MAKE A COMMENT QUICK.
YOU KNOW, LAURIE, I DON'T READ BOOKS, BUT I'LL MISS YOUR BOOK RECOMMENDATIONS AT THE END.
I READ SO MUCH EMAIL AND SO MUCH AT WORK BY THE TIME I GET HOME BOOKS, THEY'RE NOT MY THING.
I DON'T READ THEM, TOM, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T READ THEM EITHER.
THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO DO, YEAH.
BUT, BUT, UM, I'LL MISS WORKING WITH YOU.
YOU'VE ALWAYS BROUGHT A NICE BALANCE TO, TO THE BOARD AND, AND I DO A DIFFERENT GROWTH.
I DON'T KNOW WHO I'M GONNA JOKE AROUND WITH NOW.
YOU'LL BE MISSED ALL YOUR OFF COLOR JOKES, JOHN.
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JOHN.IF I NEED ANY HISTORY OF THE TOWNSHIP, I'M STILL CALLING YOU.
[PUBLIC COMMENT]
NOW'S THE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.I WOULD ASK YOU TO COME TO THE PODIUM INDIVIDUALLY, STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR STREET ADDRESS, AND PLEASE TONIGHT, KEEP YOUR INDIVIDUAL MARKS TO THREE MINUTES.
I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TALK, BUT THREE MINUTES FOR EACH.
SO WHOEVER WANTS TO GO FIRST, GO RIGHT AHEAD.
ALRIGHT, THREE MINUTES, MR. STARLING, PLEASE KEEP ME TO THREE MINUTES.
UH, TORY BRIGHT 360 4 VISTA DRIVE.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, CONGRATULATIONS, JOHN AND LORI.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE SERVED THIS TOWNSHIP EXTRAORDINARILY, UH, AMONG THE CITIZENS AND THE, THE, THE TIME THAT YOU'VE BEEN HERE, OBVIOUSLY, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S FRIENDSHIP WHEN I SEE ROOTED IN HISTORY GROWING AND PROMISE.
I HOPE THAT YOU'LL CONTINUE TO JOIN US IN OUR, UM, IN OUR MAKING SURE THAT THIS, THIS, UH, TOWNSHIP REMAINS AS BEAUTIFUL, AS WONDERFUL AS IT IS.
UM, THAT'S PART OF WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.
AGAIN, THANK YOU TO, TO FRIENDS.
UH, IF I HAD ONE, I'D CHIN YOU.
UM, BUT I'M ACTUALLY HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE PARK HOUSE, UH, UH, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PROPOSED AMENDMENT OF THE CURRENT ZONING ORDINANCE.
LAST, UH, MONTH'S MEETING, OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS IMPORTANT, THERE WAS SOME INFORMATION THAT WAS HANDED OUT AT THE LATTER PART OF THE MEETING.
UM, IT WASN'T REALLY, UH, QUITE INFORMATIONAL TO ALL OF US, AND I BELIEVE THAT IT WILL BECOME INFORMATIONAL TO US IN THE FUTURE.
UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE VERY, UH, SIGNIFICANT ABOUT THIS CURRENT, UH, UH, ORDINANCE AND THE, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT THAT ARE STAGGERING DIFFERENCES THAT WOULD CHANGE THE ENTIRE TOWNSHIP.
NOT JUST ONE TRACK OF LAND, BUT IT'S BEING WRITTEN FOR ONE TRACK OF LAND BY A DEVELOPER.
AND WE'VE RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S BEING WRITTEN BY A DEVELOPER FOR YOU AS THE TOWNSHIP'S SUPERVISORS TO CONSIDER.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE JUST WANT TO, AND SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THIS IN A MOMENT, BUT AGAIN, THE, THE ASSESSMENT, THE KEY POINTS ARE REALLY SIGNIFICANT OF THE DIFFERENCES.
UM, SO I THINK WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE AWARE THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN THIS.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US IS THAT YOU AS SUPERVISORS RAN ON A PLATFORM.
UM, WE WANNA, WE ELECTED YOU ON THAT PLATFORM FOR GIVEN REASONS THAT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE THE BEST INTEREST OF THIS ENTIRE TOWNSHIP AND THE COMMUNITIES INVOLVED HERE.
UM, IT'S, WE FEEL THAT IT'S YOUR COMMITMENT TO THAT, THAT, UH, PLATFORM THAT WE DON'T WANNA SEE YOUR BREACH, YOUR COMMITMENT.
UM, SO AGAIN, CHANGES TO THIS AS ZONING.
WOULD FOR MANY OF YOU BE A CHANGE IN WHAT YOU HAD PROMISED.
UM, WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT CHANGES TO THIS CURRENT ZONING AS IT WOULD BE WRITTEN FOR SPECIFICALLY A TRACK OF LAND, EVEN THOUGH IT WILL IMPACT THE ENTIRE TOWNSHIP.
THAT IS AN, THAT IS A LEGAL RISK THAT YOU'RE TAKING, WHICH IS CALLED SPOT ZONING.
AND, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY.
ATTORNEYS CAN RESEARCH THIS, BUT THE COMMONWEALTH, UH, COURT OF PENNSYLVANIA HAS CLEARLY TURNED DOWN SPOT ZONING.
AND, AND THIS RECOGNIZES THAT THIS IS BEING WRITTEN IN ACCORDANCE TO BASICALLY SINGLING OUT ONE LOT OR SMALL AREA FOR DIFFERENT TREATMENT THAT FROM THE ACCORDED TO SIMILAR SURROUNDING LAND, UH, AND REALLY FOR THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT OF THE OWNER, THAT IS SPOT ZONING.
SO BE AWARE THAT THAT IS A RISK THAT THE SUPERVISORS, THE BOARD, THE TOWNSHIP WOULD BE TAKING.
THE OTHER THING THAT I JUST WANTED TO BRING TO, TO THE GROUP'S ATTENTION TO OUR PUBLIC ATTENTION, AS WELL AS THE IDEA OF TRANSPARENCY.
I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TRANSPARENCY FOR QUITE A WHILE.
UM, AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOUR SOLICITOR
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REACHED OUT TO ME, UH, RECENTLY, PROBABLY AT THE SUGGESTION OF SOME OF OUR SUPERVISORS.BUT, UM, REACHED OUT TO ME TO SPECIFICALLY ASK, WOULD I LIKE TO MEET WITH HE AND, UH, JEFFREY GRACE PLANNING, UH, UH, DIRECTOR, UH, AT HIS OFFICE.
WE WANT TO, AND I'VE, OF COURSE, I'VE RESPONDED BACK SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ADVISED NOT TO MEET BECAUSE THIS DOES NEED TO BE A PUBLIC SESSION.
THIS NEEDS TO BE, EVERYONE NEEDS TO HEAR THE SAME THING AT THE SAME TIME AND ASK QUESTIONS AND HAVE A DISCUSSION.
THAT'S ALL WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR IS TO HAVE A DISCUSSION, NOT JUST TO MAKE COMMENT.
AND THEN YOU GO BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND DISCUSS THAT.
SO, UH, AGAIN, THIS, WE RECOGNIZE THAT JOHN AND LORI, YOU'RE GONNA BE FALLING OFF THE BOARD OR YOU'RE OFF THE BOARD BASICALLY NOW.
UM, BUT, UH, THE, THE, THIS HOLDS TRUE FOR THE NEW SUPERVISORS, UH, SUPERVISOR STEVENS AND, UH, SADLER.
SO WE REALLY DO WISH TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND AN OPEN DISCUSSION.
WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE COULD BE SOME LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS AND THAT THERE'S, UM, CERTAINLY THE OWNER'S INTENTION, THE HOLDER'S INTENTION.
UM, THIS IS PRIVATELY HELD LAND.
WE'VE RECOGNIZED THAT, HOWEVER, THAT OWNER HAD AWARENESS AND A HUNDRED PERCENT UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT HE WAS PURCHASING WHEN HE PURCHASED THE LAND.
AND THERE'S LOTS OF ARTICLES OUT THERE.
I JUST WOULD REFER TO THOSE ARTICLES ABOUT WHAT HE SAID HE WOULD DO AND THAT HE WAS, HE SAID HE WAS NOT A LANDOWNER OR RATHER A LAND DEVELOPER.
BUT WHAT HE'S ACTUALLY DOING IS DEVELOPING LAND NOW FOR THE, FOR HIS INTERESTS.
SO, AGAIN, I I RECOGNIZE I'M AT MY THREE MINUTES.
UM, WE JUST WANT TO AGAIN, KIND OF FOCUS ON YOU REPRESENT THE CITIZENS HERE IN THIS COUNTY, AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT STAYS ROOTED IN HISTORY, IN GROWING AND PROMISE, BUT IN A RESPONSIBLE, RESPONSIBLE WAY.
I WAS WAITING FOR OTHER PEOPLE.
IT DIDN'T COME UP HERE, BUT I GUESS NOT.
TONY, PATRICK, FOUR 10 ROW OAKS, THE OLD OAKS, NOT UPPER PROVIDENCE.
SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ROOTED IN HISTORY, I WANNA KNOW HOW MANY HANDS HERE HAVE YOU GUYS HAVE GROWN UP HERE IN UPPER PROVIDENCE? ANYBODY, ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE GROWN UP HERE? TWO THREE OF US HAVE.
SO THE HISTORY IS THAT YOU GUYS ALL MOVED HERE FROM OUR SIDE OF THE AREA BECAUSE WE HAD OPEN SPACE, WE HAD FARMLAND, WE HAD NO FARMS HERE ANYMORE.
WE, I WAS DRIVING UP HERE, I'M THINKING, GOSH, WE HAD, WE, WE RODE HORSES OFF OF EGYPT ROAD, BLACKROCK ROAD, TROUTMAN ROAD.
AND, AND WAIT, I COME HERE AND I'M DRIVING HERE TONIGHT AND I'M, DAMN, I HATE THAT DAMN THING IN THE CENTER OF THE ROAD OUT HERE THAT LIKE SO MANY PEOPLE CAN HIT THAT A FOGGY NIGHT.
OH, YOU GOT A LITTLE BLINKY LIGHTS, BUT IT'S, IT'S A DANGEROUS EYESORE COMING INTO THIS BUILDING.
WHY? SO THE OTHER PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET CAN WALK ACROSS TO THE TOWNSHIP TO ENJOY A PLAYGROUND THAT WE HAVE PLAYGROUNDS IN EVERYBODY'S BACKYARD.
AGAIN, WE LOST OPEN SPACE OVER HERE.
AND WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS, THIS PAPER HERE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING, UH, THE DWELLING HEIGHT FROM 35 TO 48 FEET HIGH.
THAT'S NEARLY 40% INCREASE IN THIS ALLOWABLE DWELLING COVERAGE.
YOU GUYS, TO ME, YOU'RE PATHETIC.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEW PEOPLE ARE COMING IN ARE GOING TO DO TO THIS TOWNSHIP, BUT I HAD MY PROPERTY SURVEYED THE OTHER DAY AND MY, MY ROAD LAURA LANE, IS IT ON MY PROPERTY? THERE'S NOTHING I COULD GET BACK FROM THAT PROPERTY.
YOU GUYS NEVER EVEN OFFERED TO PAY FOR THE SPACE THAT YOU STOLE FROM MY FAMILY.
YOU KNOW? AND, AND, AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING.
'CAUSE I, WHEN I TALKED TO THE TAX COLLECTOR, SHE SAID YOU'D HAVE TO GO IN AND GET AN ASSESSMENT, WHICH NOW MY, MY TAXES ARE GOING TO GO UP.
BUT MY HOUSE IMPROVEMENT DIDN'T GO ANY ANYWHERE FROM THE LAST 30, 40, 50 YEARS.
SO I'M LIKE UPSET THAT YOU GUYS WANTED CHANGE THESE CODES.
THERE'S NO MORE NEED, YOU KNOW, GOING UP.
WE USED TO RENT THE PROPERTY THAT WE WERE THERE OFF OF BLACKROCK ROAD, YEAGER ROAD AS CHILDREN.
WHEN MY, I LIVED IN ANOTHER AREA, MY MOTHER HAD RENTED PROPERTY FOR FARMING.
WE WOULD GO THERE IN THE SUMMER AND WE WOULD PICK OUR BEANS AND PICK OUR CUCUMBERS AND TOMATOES AND STUFF.
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THE SOIL HAS BEEN STRIPPED.IF YOU GUYS DO THE ANALYSIS ON THE SOIL IN RICHMOND, ON THE NUTRIENTS OUT IN OUR SOIL HERE IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY IS NO LONGER HERE.
YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, ALONG WITH THE COUNTY HAVE INCREASED OUR TAXES AND SCHOOLS INCREASED IN OUR TAXES.
ONE IS THAT YOU WANT TO TAKE OUR PROPERTIES AWAY, OUR LITTLE, MY MY ONE RANCHER HOME.
AND, AND NOW ONCE IT ALSO LOOKED LIKE THAT I COULD LIKE INCREASE, I COULD ADD LIKE A FOUR QUAD DWELLING ON MY LAND.
I'M STILL CONFUSED WITH WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE PROPOSED ON THIS THING.
SO I'M JUST HOPING TO STOP, STOP THE BUILDING.
WHERE'S THE 5% OF MONTGOMERY COUNTY IN, IN OUR UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP? WHERE'S ANYBODY SUPPOSED TO BREATHE ANYMORE? TRAPP HAS MOVED HIS FARM, RIGHT? YOU GUYS ARE HAPPY? OH, WE HAVE TO HAVE FIREWORKS FOR HIM, FOR HIS COWS THAT WEREN'T EVEN GIVING US DAIRY MILK ANYMORE.
WHERE ARE YOU GUYS DRINKING YOUR MILK FROM? WHERE ARE YOU GETTING IT FROM? OH, YOUR WHAT? DRINKING YOUR WATER, YOUR SEWER WATER.
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH OUR WELLS? I JUST WANT YOU TO STOP AND THINK ABOUT IT.
ANYONE ELSE? UH, BLAKE WELLING 1 35 BENNINGTON ROAD.
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU, LORI.
THANK YOU JOHN, FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE TOWNSHIP.
DURING THE LAST BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING, I SAID THE TOWNSHIP NEEDS TO HIRE A SEPARATE ATTORNEY TO ADVISE THE BOARD ON ANY PROPOSALS FOR DEVELOPMENT FOR PARKHOUSE.
I'LL REITERATE THAT TODAY, BUT I'D REALLY LIKE TO FOCUS YOUR ATTENTION ON THE PROPOSED ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT FOR OPEN SPACE RESIDENTIAL TWO O OSR TWO.
I READ THAT AFTER IT WAS HANDED OUT.
THANK YOU BY THE WAY, FOR HANDING OUT THAT PROPOSED AMENDMENT DURING THE LAST MEETING.
I REVIEWED IT AND FRANKLY, I WAS OUTRAGED.
I SAID, YOU'VE GOTTA BE KIDDING ME.
HOW DOES THIS SERVE THE CITIZENS OF THIS TOWNSHIP? WHY WOULD SUCH A WOEFULLY INADEQUATE DOCUMENT SO VASTLY DIFFERENT FROM THE EXISTING OSR TWO BE SUBMITTED TO YOU ALL FOR A REVIEW? WHY DID THIS DOCUMENT GET SCREENED BEFORE IT CAME UP FOR YOUR REVIEW? I WON'T POINT OUT ALL THE FLAWS THAT EXIST IN THAT DOCUMENT.
A SEPARATE ATTORNEY EXPERIENCED IN LAND DEVELOPMENT MATTERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEM FOR YOU.
BUT I WILL HIGHLIGHT THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS ON OUR COMMUNITY.
FIRST, THAT AMENDMENT, UNLIKE THE CURRENT OSR TWO, WOULD ALLOW A HIGH DENSITY CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT ALMOST ANYWHERE IN THE TOWNSHIP SUBJECT TO CERTAIN CONDITIONS.
REGARDLESS OF THE CURRENT ZONING, THE AMENDMENT WOULD BYPASS THE ZONING HEARING BOARD PROCESS AND WOULD BYPASS THE CONDITIONAL USE HEARING PROCESS.
WORDS RELATIVE TO THOSE PROCESSES ARE GONE IN THE AMENDMENT.
HOW DOES THAT SERVE THE CITIZENS OF OUR COMMUNITY? THE AMENDMENT, UNLIKE THE CURRENT OSR TWO, ELIMINATES THE NEED FOR A COMMUNITY IMPACT STUDY AND A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.
HOW DOES THAT SERVE THE COMMUNITY? THE AMENDMENT SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASES THE ALLOWED DENSITY.
IT ALSO CONFUSES MATTERS BY USING GROSS ACRES INSTEAD OF DEVELOPABLE ACRES.
UNLIKE OTHER ZONING ORDINANCES, IT INCREASES THE MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE AND THE MAXIMUM BUILDING COVERAGE.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT MEANS THE LIKELIHOOD OF FLOODING INCREASES IT'S SIGN, RAISES THE MAXIMUM DWELLING HEIGHT FROM 35 FEET TO 48 FEET.
SO THAT HIGH DENSITY CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT WILL LOOK LIKE KING OF PRESSURE.
THE AMENDMENT ALSO TRAIN CHANGES TO THE TREATMENT OF OPEN SPACE.
SPECIFICALLY, NO LONGER NEEDS TO BE OFFERED FOR DEDICATION TO THE TOWNSHIP AS IT EXISTS IN THE CURRENT OSR OSR TWO.
SO FROM MY PERSONAL VIEW WITH THAT AMENDMENT,
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IT LOOKS LIKE YOU WOULD BE GIVING THE LANDOWNER A GREAT BIG HOLIDAY GIFT WRAPPED UP WITH A GREAT BIG BOAT.AND WHAT DO THE TOWNSHIP CITIZENS GET? THANK YOU.
UH, I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE SCHOOLS.
I HAD THE PLEASURE OF TEACHING, NOT ONE, BUT TWO OF MAKER'S CHILDREN BOY HAS EXCHANGED SINCE THEN.
SO THE FIRST THING I WANNA BRING UP IS WE'VE BEEN BURSTING AT THE SEAMS FOR YEARS, AND I DON'T THINK THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS WANTED TO HEAR THAT.
THERE IS NO MUSIC ROOM RIGHT NOW.
MUSIC IS BEING HELD IN THE CAFETERIA WITH SOME MAKESHIFT WALLS IN FRONT OF THE STAGE.
IT'S DIFFICULT, IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO PLAN AN ASSEMBLY FOR THESE KIDS.
LET'S SAY RECENTLY INSTRUMENTS ARE HAVING AN ISSUE.
OKAY? WE HAD ENGLISH LANGUAGE LEARNERS ARE NOW IN A ROOM.
THE COPIER GOT MOVED TO A STAIRWELL.
OKAY, NOW WE HAVE AN ISSUE BECAUSE INSTRUMENT LESSONS ARE TOO LOUD FOR THE OLD MUSIC ROOM, WHICH IS NOW REGULAR EDUCATION CLASSROOM.
SO THEY MOVE THAT TO THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE COPIER USED TO BE, BUT THAT'S ACROSS FROM THE SCHOOL PSYCHOLOGIST.
HOW DISTRACTING IS THAT IF YOUR CHILD NEEDS TO BE EVALUATED, WHICH IS ALSO COUPLED DOORS AWAY FROM A THIRD GRADE CLASSROOM.
I GUESS IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE BATHROOMS, BUT THE READING SPECIALIST IS RIGHT THERE.
HOW IS THAT SERVING OUR CHILDREN? LET'S SEE.
WE USED TO HAVE A LARGE GROUP INSTRUCTION ROOM.
IT GOT TURNED INTO TWO CLASSROOMS. THAT'S NOW FOUR.
WHO'S IN THERE? LEARNING SUPPORT, OCCUPATIONAL THERAPY, GIFTED SUPPORT.
WE HAVE A DISTRICT-WIDE BUSING ISSUE.
SOME OF THESE KIDS CAN'T LEAVE TILL AFTER 4:00 PM BECAUSE THE BUS DRIVERS HAVE TO DROP OFF THEIR FIRST ROUND AND RIDE BACK AROUND FOR THEIR SECOND ROUND.
IS THAT SERVING OUR COMMUNITY AND CHILDREN? AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA LOOK AT TRAFFIC.
WHAT I'M SEEING PROPOSED IS A DISGRACE.
AND I'VE BEEN AT THAT SCHOOL SINCE 2008 AND I'M TOTALLY DISGUSTED.
AND LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT MY FOUR MILE COMMUTE.
THAT SOMETIMES TAKES OVER 20 MINUTES.
HI, I'M RAY ROCCHIO FROM 3 74 VISTA DRIVE.
UH, IT'S THE BEAUTY OF GOING THIRD, I GUESS.
UH, NUMBER OF MY POINTS HAVE BEEN STOLEN, SO I DON'T WANT TO TAKE TOO MUCH OF THE TIME.
BUT I HAD AN INTERESTING THOUGHT ON SUNDAY.
I WAS DRIVING FROM MY HOUSE AND I DROPPED OFF SOME PUMPKINS AT A NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.
UH, SHE HAS SOME ANIMALS AND SHE ASKED PEOPLE TO PUT PUMPKINS OUT IN A COUPLE WEEKS.
I'LL BE BRINGING MY CHRISTMAS TREE THERE FOR HER GOAT TO EAT.
AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE IT PAINTS THE PICTURE OF THE COMMUNITY THAT I'VE BEEN BLESSED WITH.
UM, JOHN AND I TRULY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
UM, AND LORI ON, ON THE PAST 20 YEARS HERE, I CAN REMEMBER GOING TO BOARD MEETINGS ACROSS THE STREET WHERE THERE WERE JUST THREE OF YOU, RIGHT? UM, AND WE'VE CHANGED A LOT, RIGHT? AND, AND WE HAVE TO EVOLVE.
BUT I THINK THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN EVOLVE AND STILL KEEP OUR COMMUNITY FEEL, AS SOME PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GIVE UP GIVING MY PUMPKINS OR GOING TO JAY AND GETTING, YOU KNOW, CORN WHEN THE SUMMERTIME IS HERE.
AND I, I MENTIONED DRIVING TO THE, TO THE, TO THE HOUSE BECAUSE I SAID TO MYSELF EVERY NOW AND THEN, JUST LIKE HIT SHELL.
LIKE HOW DID WE GET HERE? LIKE YEARS AGO WE SOLD THIS LAND OFF.
I HAVE A GREAT QUOTE THAT, UH, I THINK YOU GUYS KNOW THE COMMUNITY GROUP THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH FROM THE CURRENT OWNER THAT SAYS, UM, IN A MARCH, 2014 ARTICLE ON THE ENQUIRER STATING THE LAND RESTRICTIONS PUT IN PLACE.
WE ARE FINE WITH THAT SAID, MIDATLANTIC CHIEF OFFICER SCOTT RIPKIN.
WE HAVE SAID FROM THE BEGINNING THAT WE ARE NOT LAND DEVELOPERS.
IF YOU'RE WATCHING HEARING, THOSE ARE GREAT WORDS, RIGHT? WE DON'T WANT THAT LAND DEVELOPED THE WAY THAT HE'S TRYING TO DEVELOP IT.
WE CAN MAKE CHANGES TO ZONING IF WE NEED TO, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO.
HERE WE HAVE ZONING FOR A REASON.
THERE'S NO REASON TO PUT THESE AMENDMENTS
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ON THE TABLE.AND FOR THE RECORD, I WILL SHARE WITH THE GROUP, UM, WHILE I DIDN'T DO THIS, I GET THE BEAUTY OF COPYING AND STAPLING, UM, BLAKE'S WORK.
PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SHARE THAT WITH THE GROUP.
UM, IT'S REALLY JUST A COMPARISON BETWEEN OUR CURRENT CODING AND THE ZONE CHANGES THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED.
AND I WON'T GET TOO TECHNICAL HERE.
I WILL GIVE ANOTHER SHOUT OUT TO THE WEBSITE DEVELOPER.
MAN, THAT INFORMATION ON THERE IS GREAT.
JUST PUT IN A LITTLE SEARCH BAR THERE, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
AND THE INFORMATION POPS UP IN YOUR FACE AS TO WHAT THE ZONING IS IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, BUT THE AMENDMENTS, THEY'RE QUITE DRASTIC AS WE POINTED OUT.
UM, IT APPEARS TO EFFECTIVELY REWRITE THE ENTIRE ZONING AUDIENCE FOR ALL DISTRICTS OTHER THAN THE FIVE LISTED.
AND I WON'T GET INTO THE TECHNICAL TERMS FOR IT.
UM, BUT I THINK ANYBODY WHO'S INTERESTED, WE HAVE COPIES OF THESE.
UH, FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO US.
I'M, I AM CURIOUS, I DON'T KNOW, UM, IF YOU GUYS CAN TELL ME WHO WROTE THAT AMENDMENT.
DID WE WRITE THAT? DID THE THE DEVELOPER WRITE THAT? DO WE KNOW WHERE THAT, UH, ORDINANCE CAME FROM THE AMENDMENT BY ANY CHANCE? DOES ANYBODY KNOW? WE'RE NOT DOING QUESTION AND ANSWERS.
UH, AT SOME POINT WE'LL, WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
AGAIN, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHERE IT CAME FROM.
'CAUSE IT IS UNBELIEVABLY DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHERE WE WANT TO BE.
UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL, I'LL WRAP IT UP HERE AGAIN.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANT CHANGE, LET THEM NEGOTIATE IT WITH US THROUGH THE BOARD.
UM, I SUBMIT THAT WE SHOULD FORM AN OPEN SPACE COMMUNITY MEETING TO DISCUSS THE COMMUNITY'S OPTIONS FOR THE LAND.
IF YOU GUYS ARE UNSURE, WE HAVE A COMMUNITY GROUP THAT'S HERE WORKING WELL, I'M SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD LOVE A NIGHT TO JUST HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE A, FOR A BACK AND FORTH DISCUSSION WITH THE BOARD, RIGHT? 'CAUSE I KNOW IT'S TOUGH FOR YOU IN THE POSITIONS YOU'RE AT TO HAVE THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S NEEDED FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THE MEMBERS.
UM, JUST JUST FOR CLARIFICATION THERE THOUGH, WE SIT AS LEGISLATORS, BUT IN CONDITIONAL USE, WE SIT WITH OUR JUDICIAL ADAM.
SO AS MUCH AS WE'RE LISTENING, WE'RE ABSORBING, WE'RE HEARING, WE JUST, LIKE, IF YOU WERE GOING TO COURT, YOU WOULDN'T EXPECT THE JUDGE TO SIT WITH ONE SIDE AND NOT THE OTHER.
AND WE'RE NOT GONNA SIT WITH THE DEVELOPER.
AND IT'S CHALLENGING TO SIT LISTENING DIALOGUE.
I TRY TO ANSWER EVERY EMAIL THAT COMES MY WAY.
I ANSWER PHONE CALLS AND I WANT TO LISTEN.
BUT I, I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR THAT WHEN WE PUT ON OUR LEGISLATIVE PAD, WE'RE HELD PERSONALLY LIABLE TO BE THE JUDGES IN THIS CASE, IF OR WHEN IT GOES TO CONDITIONAL USE.
SO I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT FOR EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND.
'CAUSE I WOULD, MORE THAN ANYTHING, LOVE TO SIT DOWN WITH 26,000 RESIDENTS AND COLLECT EVERY PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT I COULD.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT.
I DON'T THINK I'M SAYING
BECAUSE AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO PLAY JUDGE.
AND, AND WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FOLLOW THE PROCESS AND THE LEGAL PROCEEDINGS ACCORDINGLY.
AND LET THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION HOLD THE MEETING, RIGHT? SO YOU GUYS ARE OUT OF IT, RIGHT? IF YOU WANT, I'LL DELIVER 2,500 FLYERS TO THE COMMUNITY.
I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HELP YOU GET THE WORD OUT.
BECAUSE I THINK TOO, IF WE MISSTEP, IT COULD BE TO ALL OF A DETRIMENT.
SO WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL.
'CAUSE NONE OF US WOULD WANT TO TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF A MISSTEP.
AND THEN, WELL, NOT ONLY THE, THE TOWNSHIP BECOMES LIABLE.
WE PERSONALLY, IN OUR FAMILIES, IN OUR HOMES.
SO I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT DISTINCTION THAT, YOU KNOW, BEING QUIET ISN'T BECAUSE WE AREN'T LISTENING.
BEING QUIET IS 'CAUSE WE ARE LISTENING.
BUT WE DO HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LEGAL PROCEEDINGS HERE, AND WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THAT APPROPRIATELY.
SO, I, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS I MADE.
I I KIND HAVE TO SPEND HOURS REWRITING.
OH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.
WE'LL CONTINUE TO DELIVER THE MESSAGE TO YOU GUYS.
UM, I WISH YOU AN ALL, UH, A GREAT HOLIDAY SEASON.
JANINE NORRIS, 3 56 VISTA DRIVE, UM, SUPERVISOR PEARSON AND HIGGINS.
I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
UM, IT'S NOT AN EASY JOB AS WE CAN SEE FROM ALL OF YOU SITTING UP HERE.
AND, AND ALL OF US, UM, SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE CAN RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S A TOUGH JOB.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REITERATE WHAT TORI HAD SAID ABOUT, UM, THE CAMPAIGNS THAT THE SUPERVISORS,
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UM, WORKED ON AND, AND PRESENTED WHEN RUNNING FOR A SUPERVISOR.UM, SOME OF US, UH, CAMPAIGNED FOR YOU.
UM, SOME OF US DID DOOR DROPS.
SOME OF US REALLY BELIEVED IN WHAT YOU WERE SAYING WOULD STAY TRUE.
UM, MANY OF THE SIGNS, UM, SUPERVISOR YEAGER ONE SIGN SAID, NO REZONING, NO POLITICS.
UM, UM, SUPERVISOR KELSEY, UM, DON'T BELIEVE THE LIES.
WE WILL NOT ALLOW PARKHOUSE ZONING CHANGES.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING TOWARDS OUR, OUR NEWLY ELECTED SUPERVISORS WHO ALSO RAN ON THE CAMPAIGN OF, UM, NO CHANGES TO ZONING, UH, OR TO ZONING VARIANCES UNLESS THEY BENEFIT THE RESIDENTS.
AND I CAN CLEARLY SAY THAT THIS, UM, IF A ZONING CHANGE HAPPENS, IT WILL NOT BENEFIT THE TOWNSHIP RESIDENTS.
SO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT, THAT WE, THE COMMUNITY CAME OUT FOR TO VOTE FOR YOU.
WE BELIEVED IN YOU AND, AND WHAT YOU PROMISED US.
UH, WE DO RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT RIFKIN OWNS THIS LAND.
HE HAS THE ABILITY TO BUILD ON THIS LAND.
UH, I SIT DOWN ON A, IN A HOUSE THAT'S 28 YEARS OLD, BUT IT WAS A FARM AT ONE POINT.
AND THAT PERSON HAD THE ABILITY TO SELL THE FARM AND TO, TO BE ABLE TO BUILD, UM, UNDER THE, UH, PROPER ORDINANCE.
I RECOGNIZE THAT SOMETHING WILL BE BUILT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT EVERYBODY RECOGNIZES SOMETHING WILL BE BUILT.
I RECOGNIZE THAT SOMETHING WE BUILT WILL BE BUILT.
IT HAS TO BE WITHIN THE CURRENT ZONING.
AND HE CANNOT CHANGE THE CURRENT ZONING FOR ONE BUILDER AND ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN TO THE ENTIRE TOWNSHIP.
VICTORIA SCHWARTZ, 2 48 BAXTER DRIVE.
WHEN SOMEONE ASKED, UH, THE EARLIER THE GAL ASKED, UH, WHO WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE, I WAS MONTCLAIR ELEMENTARY.
MANY PEOPLE DON'T REMEMBER THAT.
THEN AFTERWARDS, SPRINGPORT OF COURSE, CAME BACK TO MY HOMETOWN.
UM, DID NOT ANTICIPATE BEING UP HERE OR EVEN AT ANY BOARD MEETINGS.
WHO THE HELL KNEW I'D BE HERE.
BUT GUESS WHAT? I'M HERE AND I'M GONNA CONTINUE TO COME.
SO WHETHER IT IS PARKHOUSE, WHETHER IT'S LOVER'S LANE, AMELIA STREET, ET CETERA.
SO THE ONE THING THAT I WANNA STATE AND JUST KIND OF REITERATE PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE IS FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TO SPEAK.
UM, HIGGINS AND ALSO PEARSON, BOTH OF YOU, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR, YOU KNOW, UM, BEING ON THE BOARD, BEING HERE, BEING A PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO WE THANK YOU BOTH, WISH YOU HAPPY RETIREMENT.
UM, AND WE JUST WANNA APPRECIATE, LET YOU KNOW HOW MUCH WE APPRECIATE YOU, ESPECIALLY AS SOMEONE NEW COMING INTO THIS MORE.
UM, I DEFINITELY THANK YOU, UH, FOR OUR NEW PEOPLE AND INCLUDING THE NEW, UM, GANG THAT WE HAVE IN THE PAST OR IN THE BACK.
WE WILL HOLD YOUR FEET TO THE FIRE.
SO JUST EVERYONE NEEDS TO, YOU KNOW, LISTEN, OF COURSE WHAT WE DON'T WANT, AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED, OF COURSE, AND SOME WHO DO NOT KNOW AND SOME WHO DO KNOW, WE DO NOT WANT TO HAPPEN.
WHAT HAPPENED IN KING OF PRUSSIA, UM, THEY GOT INTO BIG TROUBLE.
AND ALSO, UH, MR. YERGER IS CORRECT IN STATING THAT WE DO HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING PROPER, BECAUSE IF NOT, IF WE GET SUED, THEN WE'RE SCREWED.
OKAY? SO EVERYTHING HAS TO BE DONE, UM, VERY SPECIFIC.
THEY DEFINITELY ARE HEARING WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY.
WE DO NOT WANT IT TO GET OUTTA CONTROL.
BUT HERE'S THE ONE THING I WILL SAY.
THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES IS NOT CHANGING.
THEY'RE TRYING TO, BUT THEY CAN'T AMEND THE DAMN CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.
SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID, THERE ARE ZONING RULES AND REGULATIONS IN PLACE.
NOW, GRANTED, URBAN DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS.
WE GET THAT THINGS ARE GONNA BE BUILT.
IF WE START CHANGING EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY ZONING AND ORDINANCES, BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE ALSO GONNA BE UP AGAINST STEEP SOAP ORDINANCES COMING UP IN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, AND THERE'S GONNA BE OTHER ORDINANCES AND OTHER ZONING.
EVERY TIME YOU CHANGE A ZONING THAT BENEFITS THE BUILDERS, YOU SCREW THE COMMUNITY.
AND IN TERMS OF THAT SPOT ZONING LITIGATION, KEEP THAT IN MIND.
I'M A SINGLE PERSON IN A COUPLE MORE YEARS, I WON'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD MY OWN HOME.
AND I WORKED DAMN HARD TO GET THAT HOME.
AND I CAN ONLY IMAGINE ME AND I MAKE
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PRETTY DECENT MONEY, BUT I WON'T BE ABLE TO, TO LIVE IN MY OWN HOME IF TAXES KEEP GOING UP AND UP AND UP AND UP.YOU KNOW, THEY TALK ABOUT ALL THESE EMISSIONS AND EVERYTHING THAT'S, OH, IT'S, IT'S GAS AND, AND CARS AND ALL THAT.
AND I'LL FINISH UP IN A SECOND.
BUT THE ULTIMATE THING IS OVERBUILDING.
GUESS WHAT? YOU REMOVE THE TREES.
WHAT DO YOU THINK HANDLES ALL THE CARBON DIOXIDE TREES? WE'RE REMOVING THEM AND WE'RE NOT PLANTING 'EM.
THEY'RE PLANTING A TREE HERE AND A TREE THERE.
AND INTO MY CLOSING ARGUMENTS.
UM, YES, THE BURDEN OF SCHOOL DISTRICTS, TRAFFIC ISSUES ARE HUGE.
YOU CAN NO LONGER GO FROM DOWN THE STREET TO DOWN THE STREET WITHOUT A TAKING 30 MINUTES.
YOU'RE GETTING FLOODING, YOU'RE CHANGING THE ENVIRONMENT.
SO PLEASE LOOK THE, THE ZONING AND LOOK AT THE ORDINANCES AND PLEASE MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS.
BILL FELTON, 1 33 OLD STATE ROAD.
UM, HEY, I WANT TO THANK, UH, JOHN AND LORI AS WELL, AS WELL AS ALL OF YOU, UH, FOR SERVING OUR TOWNSHIP AS SUPERVISORS AND TO THE TWO NEW SUPERVISORS AS WELL.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE STILL HERE, UM,
BUT I, I WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS AND LET YOU KNOW THAT, THAT WE WANT TO SUPPORT YOU IN, IN ALL YOU DO.
AND PARTICULARLY OUR BIGGEST CONCERN HOW THIS PARKHOUSE PROPERTY GETS DEVELOPED.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SURE WHERE THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S PROPOSED, BUT WE'VE SEEN WHAT HAS BEEN ON THE, UH, AGENDA FROM THE LAST MEETING.
AND, UH, WE ASSUME IT CAME FROM EITHER THE DEVELOPER OR SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO BUILD ON THIS PROPERTY.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THE LIST OF, OF ALL THE DIFFERENCES AND WHAT THIS WOULD ALLOW.
AND IT REALLY IS, WOULD BE A DREAM COME TRUE FOR THE DEVELOPER FOR THAT TO BE ADOPTED.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW,
YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, LET'S, LET'S TAKE A COURSE THAT COULD SAVE THIS AS OPEN SPACE.
AND I THINK THAT IS A, A, A REAL POSSIBILITY.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I HOPE MY DREAM COMES TRUE RATHER THAN THIS, UH, THIS, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING HERE.
UM, THE, UH, THERE'VE BEEN A COUPLE COMMENTS ABOUT FARMING AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD SAVE THIS PROPERTY OR SAVE A PORTION OF IT, I THINK THERE'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR RETAINING FARMING IN THIS COMMUNITY, FOR RETAINING THE RURAL CHARACTER THAT WE'VE, YOU KNOW, ALL BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR ALL THESE DECADES THAT HAVE, HAVE GONE ON HERE AS WE'VE BEEN ALL CITIZENS AND YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN SERVING US.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I'D LOOK FORWARD TO THAT TIME WHEN WE CAN START TALKING ABOUT, OKAY, WE HAVE THIS PROPERTY NOW WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH IT? AND, UH, REGARDING THIS AMENDMENT, UM, I WOULD ASSUME THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS WHATEVER THEY'RE PROPOSING AT A PLANNING COMMISSION ENVIRONMENT.
AND THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE AS THE COMMUNITY COULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, HELP SHAPE THIS THING INTO SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE ACCEPTABLE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO, UH, STAY THE COURSE AND, UH, LET'S NOT GET STEAMROLLED BY, UH, SOMEBODY ELSE FROM OUT OF THE TOWNSHIP WHO WANTS TO DEVELOP THIS LAND.
HI, SUSAN DENBY, 1 3 5 BENNINGTON ROAD.
UH, AGAIN, LORI AND JOHN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND, UH, IT'S NICE TO GET TO KNOW ACTUALLY ALL OF YOU THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
IT'S OPENED UP MY EYES INTO THE WHOLE LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND HOW IT OPERATES.
UM, BUT ONE THING I WANT TO REITERATE TOO IS THAT WHAT'S UNCLEAR IS HOW THIS PROCESS ACTUALLY WORKS.
HOW DOES THIS AMENDMENT GET HERE WITHOUT PLANNING, BEING INVOLVED? HOW IS IT THAT DEVELOPERS ARE ALLOWED TO BE THE ONES WHO ARE IN CHARGE OF OUR TOWNSHIP, US THE RESIDENTS? AND YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY.
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IS JUDICIAL, UM, OR LEGISLATIVE JUDICIAL.YOU TOOK THIS RESPONSIBILITY ON TO BE WHERE YOU ARE.
AND I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GETTING THREATENED WITH LAWSUITS AND PERSONAL LAWSUITS AND YOU'RE LETTING THAT DRIVE WHAT SHOULD BE DONE.
IT'S FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND FOR THE RESIDENTS.
YOU SIGNED ON FOR THIS, YOU SIGNED ON TO REPRESENT US AND NOT BE AFRAID TO TAKE THAT RISK.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T APPRECIATE HEARING THAT I COULD GET SUED PERSONALLY.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, I DIDN'T TAKE ON YOUR ROLE, BUT I, I REALLY DO THANK YOU FOR DOING IT.
UM, BUT YOU'VE GOTTA REALIZE THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE A SUPERVISOR DOESN'T MEAN YOU COULD JUST SAY, HEY, CAN'T, I CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE I MIGHT GET SUED.
YOU'RE ADDRESSING MY COMMENTS, SO I'M GONNA ADDRESS IT BACK.
NOBODY SAID WE'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING BECAUSE WE'RE NOT.
'CAUSE WE'RE AFRAID WE'RE GONNA GET SUED.
WHAT WE SAID THAT'S, WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW THE PROCESS AND THE PROCESS IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO VOTE AND I CAN'T, THERE'S SUNSHINE LAWS ABOUT ME WORKING WITH THESE FOUR INDIVIDUALS.
WE ARE GOING TO VOTE ON JANUARY 16TH, WHETHER DESCEND IT A PLANNING COMMISSION OR NOT.
THAT IS THE NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS.
OTHER FOLKS HAVE TALKED ABOUT CAN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE VOTE ON THE 16TH WILL DETERMINE THAT.
SO SINCE YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT PROCESS, THAT'S THE PROCESS.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE LAWSUIT COMES IN AND PER GETTING PERSONALLY SUED COMES IN.
BUT IT'S BEEN RAISED NOT ONLY IN THIS SESSION, BUT IN OTHER SESSIONS.
SO THE PERCEPTION IS ONLY OF, YOU KNOW, MY PERCEPTION IS THAT THERE'S A FEAR OF GETTING SUED.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S JUST MY LAY WAY OF, OF TAKING IT ALL IN.
UM, ONE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION IS, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GONE BEYOND THE NATURAL LANDS REPORT.
I DON'T KNOW WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THAT.
IT WAS A WONDERFUL REPORT AND I'M SORRY THAT IT WAS TOLD THEY WERE TOLD TO PRIORITIZE THE LAND BECAUSE IT WAS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED BECAUSE MAYBE PEOPLE DIDN'T REALLY CATCH THAT IN IT.
IT SAYS ALL OF THIS LAND WORKS TOGETHER AND IF THEY WEREN'T TOLD TO PRIORITIZE IT, THEY WOULD'VE SAID SAVE ALL THE LAND.
IS THAT IMPORTANT? AND SO WHAT MAKES ME REALLY SICK IS THAT WHERE THEY HAVE 700 TOWNHOUSES THAT ARE FOUR STORIES TALL, 48 FEET TALL, WITH MAYBE A SMALLER CART WAY THEY CALL IT BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS, THAT IS WHERE THAT PRIOR, THAT PRIORITY OR THAT LAND WAS ACTUALLY NOTED TO BE JUST AS IMPORTANT AS THE ONE THEY PRIORITIZED AS A, AS THE TOP PRIORITY.
AND IT DISCUSSED ME TO SEE THAT 700 KING OF PRUSSIA TOWNHOUSES ARE GONNA BE BUILT THERE WITH NO SOIL AND IT FLOODS THERE ALREADY.
OH, WELL I CAN'T TELL THE FOOTAGE, BUT IT'S LIKE RIGHT WHERE THE CIRCLE'S GONNA GO.
WE'RE JUST SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR ANOTHER SPRING FORWARD, UH, CORNER WHERE THE KIDS COME, WHERE THEY COME OUT.
AND THEN WE NOW WE'RE GONNA PUT TWO TRAFFIC LIGHTS IN IT'S OR THREE, UH, WE'VE GOT BAD INTERSECTIONS.
AND WE'RE GONNA ADD MORE EGRESSES RIGHT THERE AND ON SECOND AVENUE.
WHERE, WHERE I'LL SEND A LETTER.
ANYONE ELSE? I'M ED PENNY PACKER.
I LIVE AT 2 71 HAFFNER ROAD SINCE 40 YEARS.
10 YEARS AGO THEY MADE A MISTAKE.
THE COUNTY SOLD OPEN SPACE TO A DEVELOPER AT THE TIME WE WERE PROMISED THIS IS INSTITUTIONAL LAND.
INSTITUTIONAL MEANING THE SCHOOL, THE HOSPITAL, THE DAYCARE, PERHAPS NOT HOUSING UNITS.
DON'T MAKE ANOTHER MISTAKE, PLEASE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO PROBABLY COMMENT?
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MIKE KAJAK 1 0 4 BENNINGTON ROAD.WHEN THIS PROPERTY WAS SOLD, I HAD JUST SETTLED ON MY HOME.
MY PROPERTY TAXES HAVE NOW GONE UP $400 EACH MONTH.
IT'S A $4,800 INCREASE PER YEAR.
I'VE SEEN WHAT'S HAPPENED IN PHOENIXVILLE AS I'M ALSO A DEVELOPER IN PHOENIXVILLE BOROUGH.
THE BOROUGH OF PHOENIXVILLE RECENTLY CHANGED AN ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY GEARED TOWARDS THE CASE CENTER SALE.
THEY CHANGED AN ORDINANCE THAT WAS STATED AS SEVEN ACRES FOR HIGH DENSITY HOUSING.
THE CASE CENTER WAS 7.4 ACRES, WHICH TOLL BROTHERS THEN PUT HIGH DENSITY HOUSING ON THE PROPERTY.
THE BOROUGH CHANGED THAT ORDINANCE RESULTING IN EXTENSIVE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS FOR THE TAXPAYERS BECAUSE THE TAXPAYERS ARE THE ONES THAT FUND THE BOROUGH.
NOW, TOLL BROTHERS IS SUING THE SCHOOL.
THE SCHOOL IS SUING THE BOROUGH.
TOLL BROTHERS ALSO SUING THE BOROUGH.
THESE ORDINANCE CHANGES THAT ARE PROPOSED HERE ARE GONNA BE VERY DETRIMENTAL TO THE FUTURE OF MY PROPERTY VALUE, AS WELL AS THE 36 OTHER HOMES IN MY PROP IN MY DEVELOPMENT AND THE NEXT 400 HOMES THAT ARE IN THE IMMEDIATE IMPACT OF THIS PROPERTY.
BUT THE IMPACT STUDY IS GONNA BE WAIVED.
NOW WHY IS THAT? I'VE PERSONALLY PULLED OVER A DOZEN CARS OUTTA THE DITCHES OF YEAGER SECOND AVENUE AND BLACKROCK ROAD.
THERE'S ALSO NO STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.
WHERE'S ALL THAT WATER RUNOFF GOING DOWN THE SIDES OF THE STREETS.
VERY FREQUENTLY FLOODING THE STREETS.
BUT BEING A STATE ROUTE, I UNDERSTAND YOU GUYS HAVE RESTRICTIONS YOURSELVES TO MAKING ANY MODIFICATIONS THEREAFTER.
THEREAFTER, BUT THE SINGLE LANE BRIDGE HAS HAD SIX CONCRETE BALLARDS THERE FOR SIX YEARS.
TWO WERE ADDED AFTER A SECOND ACCIDENT.
FOUR WERE ADDED ON THE INITIAL ACCIDENT.
BUT THAT BRIDGE STILL HAS NOT BEEN REPAIRED.
BUT YOU GUYS HAVE THE ABILITIES TO REACH YOUR STATE LEGISLATURE.
BUT AT THE SAME, EVERYBODY HAS A PRICE.
SCOTT RIVKIN BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY FROM JOSH SHAPIRO.
'CAUSE JOSH SHAPIRO MADE THESE CHANGES TO SELL OUR OPEN SPACE.
IT IS PUBLIC RECORD THAT SCOTT RIVKIN DONATED TO JOSH SHAPIRO'S CAMPAIGN.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? ALRIGHT, WELL IT LOOKS LIKE THAT THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS EVENING.
I WANNA THANK EVERYBODY FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
I WANNA REMIND YOU OF WHAT HAPPENED IN OUR LAST REGULAR MEETING.
WE TABLED THE, THE PARKHOUSE, UH, DISCUSSION WHERE WE WOULD POTENTIALLY VOTE TO SEND IT BACK DOWN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THAT WILL OCCUR AT THE FIRST BUSINESS MEETING IN JANUARY, WHICH SHOULD BE THE THIRD MONDAY.
I THINK IT'S A HOLIDAY, MAYBE IT'S A TUESDAY, BUT IF IT'S, IF IT'S THE MARTIN LUTHER DEPEND ON HOLIDAY OR WHATEVER, IT'S JANUARY 16TH.
SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU EVERYONE.
[EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT]
SESSION REPORT.WE HELD AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TONIGHT, RIGHT? JUST PRIOR TO THIS MEETING AND THE TOPICS WERE DISCUSSED WERE PERSONNEL ISSUES, UH, APPROVAL OF THE BILL
[APPROVAL OF BILL LIST]
LIST.I KNOW EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT IN YOUR PACKET.
IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BILL LIST FOR NO NOVEMBER 1ST TO NOVEMBER 24TH.
2023 IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,301,610 AND 45 CENTS.
I SECOND TO APPROVE THE BILL LIST FROM THE PERIOD NOVEMBER ONE THROUGH NOVEMBER 24 IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,301,610 AND 45 CENTS.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
IN OUR PACKET WERE THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST REGULAR MEETING OF, UH, NOVEMBER 20TH.UH, IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THOSE MINUTES, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE NOVEMBER 20TH, 2023 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS REGULAR MEETING MINUTES.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR'S REGULAR MEETING MINUTES.
WE HAVE NO PUBLIC HEARINGS THIS EVENING.
[OLD BUSINESS (ACTION/DISCUSSION ITEMS)]
ONE UNDER ALL BUSINESS.CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 43 APPROVING THE 2024 OPERATING A CAPITAL BUDGET.
AND, UH, I KNOW WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION, SO LET YOU GO AHEAD, CHAIRMAN, I'D JUST LIKE TO INTRODUCE MEMBERS OF MY FINANCE TEAM, UH, STEVE CARR, UM, WITH
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TRANSCEND BUSINESS ADVISORS AND RENEE LORENZO.SHE'S OUR ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR IN THE BACK.
UM, WE'VE WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES.
SO, UH, ALL THIS WAS A TEAM EFFORT.
SO I'M GONNA TURN THIS OVER TO STEVE, BUT WE, UH, APPROVED OUR PRELIMINARY BUDGET, UM, ON OCTOBER 16TH.
AND WE'VE HAD SOME MINOR PUTS AND TAKES FOCUS TONIGHT WILL BE JUST WHAT THOSE VARIATIONS HAVE BEEN.
UM, SO WE WON'T PUT YOU THROUGH THE PAIN OF GOING BACK THROUGH THE ENTIRE BUDGET AGAIN.
UM, SO WE PUT IT TOGETHER, A COUPLE SLIDES HERE, UM, JUST TO SHOW THE DIFFERENCES.
AND A LOT OF THESE WERE THINGS WE, YOU KNOW, LEARNED OR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WE'VE HAD, UM, COME TO LIGHT DURING THE PROCESS.
UM, SO THIS IS A SUMMARY OF ALL OF THE CHANGES AND THEN I'LL GO THROUGH EACH, EACH ONE OF THE LINE ITEMS SO YOU GUYS CAN SEE THAT.
UM, BASICALLY WE HAVE ABOUT A $518,000 INCREASE COMPARED TO WHAT IN EXPENSES COMPARED TO WHAT WE SHOWED YOU.
MOST OF IT ISN'T ONE LINE ITEM, BUT, UM, JEFF, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE SECOND SLIDE, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE DETAILS.
ALRIGHT, SO THESE ARE GENERAL FUND CHANGES.
UM, SPECIFICALLY THE FIRST THREE ARE TRAINING RELATED.
UM, A LOT OF THAT WAS JUST, UM, AS YOU GUYS REMEMBER, WE SPLIT OUT ADMIN FINANCE OR FINANCE AND IT FROM ADMIN, UM, IN THE PREVIOUS AREAS TO KIND OF GET BETTER VISUALIZATION INTO THAT AND OWNERSHIP INTO THOSE.
UM, AS WE WERE DOING THAT, WE, AND ALSO REVIEWING OUR BUDGET ACTUALS FOR TRAINING, WE REALIZED THAT WE PROBABLY DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH TRAINING BUDGET IN THERE.
SO THE FIRST THREE ARE TO, UM, ADD AND CREATE, UM, SOME TRAINING OPTIONS FOR OUR TEAMS. UM, THE INSURANCE LIABILITY INSURANCE AUTO, UM, A DECREASE OF 200,000.
UM, THAT WAS ACTUALLY JUST PROBABLY A MISTAKE IN THE BEGINNING.
UM, STAFF ENTRY NUMBER MIGHT'VE BEEN MINE, MIGHT'VE BEEN SOMETHING ELSE.
WE WERE HIGH BASED ON WHERE WE ARE, BUDGET TO ACTUAL AND UM, WHAT WE HAD BEEN QUOTED FOR LAST YEAR, WE DON'T GET OUR INSURANCE QUOTES UNTIL WE IN THE NEW YEAR.
SO I'VE ACTUALLY ADDED 40,000 OVER OUR ACTUAL THIS YEAR, UM, BECAUSE ITS INSURANCE WILL PROBABLY PART-TIME ADMIN FIRST FOR OUR, UM, FIRE, FIRE TEAM OR FIRE GUYS.
UM, THEY DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT OR ANY ADMIN HELP.
SO CHIEF AND ASSISTANT CHIEF TOM, UM, GENERALLY ARE DOING A LOT OF THAT STUFF.
UM, SO WE DID BUDGET IN HERE, UM, A PART-TIME, BASICALLY A HALFTIME ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT FOR THEM.
INTERRUPT YOU GET PORTION, UH, BUT INTERRUPT REAL QUICK.
UH, INCREASE IN TRAINING AS PART OF THAT, UH, TO COVER THE TRAINING FOR THE NEW GEO SYSTEM THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN THE NEXT YEAR.
UM, THAT, THAT PIECE IS NOT, THAT'S IN A DIFFERENT MINE ITEM.
IT, IT, THE ACTUAL TRAINING IS INCLUDED IN THEIR ONE LINE PRICE AND YOU ACTUALLY SEE THAT ON ANOTHER SLIDE IN THE FUTURE.
UM, THIS DECREASE IS PART OF A, UM, IT'S ACTUALLY, IT IS A DECREASE AND A SHIFT IN THE AMOUNT OF, UM, INCENTIVE AND OUR PROVIDING INCENTIVE TO OUR FIRE COMPANIES.
UM, SO IT'S MORE, IT'S MORE OF A SHIFT IN FIRE COSTS, BUT IT DID ACTUALLY DROP ABOUT $75,000 IN COST TOTAL.
UM, TESTING AND FIRE THAT WAS JUST A LINE ITEM WE NEEDED A LITTLE BIT MORE IN AND, OR WE NEEDED A LINE TO WORK AND TRAINING HER FIRE.
UM, WE ACTUALLY PUMPED THEM BACK TO THEIR ORIGINAL REQUEST.
UM, AND THAT NETTED OUT SOME OF THOSE OTHER CHANGES, UH, REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE.
UM, TOM AND MIKE WENT THROUGH ALL THE REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE AND WE IDENTIFIED SOME MORE TRUCKS WITH TIRES OR TIRES THAT WE NEED FOR SOME OF OUR TRUCKS.
SO WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE GOOD TIRES.
UH, CONTRACTED SERVICES, FIRE, THAT IS ANOTHER THING.
WE JUST GETTING CONTRACTS BACK SINCE OCTOBER FOR NEXT YEAR PRICING INCREASE.
AND THEN THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF VOLUNTEER FIRE.
MOST OF THIS IS A FAT FINGER, PROBABLY MYSELF ENTERING A NUMBER THAT SAYS 20,000 AND IT SHOWS STARTED AT 200,000.
I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THAT ONE.
WE CAUGHT THAT IMMEDIATELY AFTER THAT MEETING ON THE 16TH, THEN FIXED THAT ON THE, UM, BUT I'LL TAKE ONE FAT FIGURE ITEM
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IN SIX MONTHS OF BUDGETING AS AS A WIN.UM, AND THEN THERE'S MY OTHER, THERE'S MY OTHER OWNERSHIP, $1,140 A FORMULATOR, SO GOT A LOT EXCEL.
SO THE NET ON THE GENERAL FUND CHANGES IS 33,000 DECREASE IN OVERALL EXPENSES BUDGET.
UM, THESE ARE CAPITAL RELATED GENERAL FUND CHANGES.
UM, THE FIRST ONE IS THE MOBILE AND PORTABLE RADIOS.
UM, SO WE HAVE A SYSTEM, A REDUNDANT SYSTEM THAT WAS PUT INTO PLACE RADIO WISE WITH THE RADIO TOWER OUT HERE IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.
UM, WE'RE ASKING, THIS WAS GONNA BE A TWO YEAR PROJECT, BUT SINCE WE SAVED MONEY ON THE INCENTIVE PROGRAM, UM, WE'RE ASKING TO MAKE THIS A ONE YEAR PROJECT, WHICH WOULD BRING OUR REMAINING FIRE REMAINING PUBLIC WORKS AND A COUPLE OF POLICE RADIOS UP TO DATE SO THAT IF THEY CANNOT COMMUNICATE THROUGH THE COUNTY, THEY CAN SWITCH OVER TO OUR SYSTEM AND COMMUNICATE ALL OF THEM PARKS AND REC, POLICE, FIRE AND, UM, PUBLIC WORKS IN THE STATE OF EMERGENCY.
SO WE'RE ASKING TO DO THAT PROJECT NOW COMPLETELY.
UM, THE GIS SYSTEM, THIS ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION A LITTLE BIT, BILL.
SO THE PRICING ACTUALLY CAME IN $30,000 LESS THAN WE THOUGHT IT WOULD AND THAT DOES INCLUDE ALL OF THE TRAINING AND TRANSITION AND MOVEMENT OF DATA AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND THEN THE CLOUD-BASED ACCESS CONTROLS, THAT IS THE SECURITY CONTROLS AND SOFTWARE AND DEVICES, UM, IN THE, IN THE BUILDINGS AND STUFF.
UM, WE DID FIND WHEN WE DID GET PRICING THAT WAS ABOUT 30,000 OVER WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY ASKED FOR.
SO IT'S KIND OF A FLIP FROM GIS TO THOSE ACCESS CONTROLS.
UM, CAPEX FUND CHANGE, THIS IS A, UM, PROPOSAL WE RECEIVED IN THE INTERIM FOR DOING SOME CONCEPT PLANNING ON THE INTERSECTION OF SOUTHWEST ROAD BOND ROAD AND ORCHARD COURT.
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S NOT LAST BUT NOT LEAST, BUT IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE LAST ONE.
UM, THIS IS A SEWER PROJECT, UM, COMING FROM THE SEWER CAPITAL FUND, THE SECOND AVENUE FORCE MAIN GRAVITY LINE REPLACEMENT.
UH, WE'RE ASKING TO GO TO THE ENGINEERING PIECE OF THIS.
SO IT'S A SHOVEL-READY PROJECT BECAUSE WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A LOT BETTER CHANCE OF GETTING GRANTS TO HELP FUND, UM, THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION OF THAT PROJECT.
UM, THAT HAS BEEN THE CASE PREVIOUSLY IN THESE TYPE OF THINGS AND IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT $3 MILLION PROJECT.
SO WE'D LIKE SOME ASSISTANCE FROM SOMEONE ELSE'S MONEY, LIKE THE STATE OR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, UM, TO DO THAT.
SO WE'RE ASKING TO ACTUALLY GO DO THE ENGINEERING NOW.
IS THAT SOMETHING DELTA SUGGESTED? WE DO.
IT'S ACTUALLY A LOT OF US RECOMMEND THAT WE DO THAT.
UM, WE'VE HAD SUCCESS IN THE PAST.
ATTACHMENT HAS HAD SUCCESS IN THE PAST WHERE IF WE BRING A SHELF READY PROJECT, IT LOOKS A LOT BETTER TO THE PEOPLE GIVING US GRANTS BECAUSE THEY LIKE TO SEE PROJECTS THAT GET DONE VERY QUICKLY.
AND THAT'S THE SCHEME OF THINGS.
UM, AND IF WE CAN BRING THEM ONE, IT HAS A HIGHER CHANCE, HIGHER PROBABILITY OF GETTING IT.
UM, IT'S ALSO ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
I WON'T TAKE, TOM WILL PROBABLY SHAKE ITS HEAD, UM, 60 YEARS OLD.
YEAH, IT'S IT'S AN OLD ONE AND THERE COULD BE FAILURES, SO WE DON'T WANNA BE SITTING BACK AND, AND WAITING TOO LONG ON THAT.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE READY TO GO.
UM, THE LAST ONE, THIS IS JUST A, UH, TRANSFER, UM, FROM THE CAPEX FUND TO THE INTERNAL SERVICE FUND.
UM, WHEN ALL OF THIS SHOOK OUT, I DID NOT NEED TO FUND AS MUCH MONEY INTO THAT, UM, FUND FOR THIS YEAR, SO I JUST INCREASED THAT TRANSFER, BUDGET TRANSFER.
SO THAT IS, THAT'S ALL THE CHANGES.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM THAT HELPED OUT, UM, ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR MAKING THIS PROCESS AS SMOOTH AS IT COULD BE.
RENEE, THANK YOU GUYS AND BOARD, THANK YOU FOR ALL OF OUR WORKSHOPS.
EVERYTHING ELSE, WHAT WAS THE NET OF ALL THOSE? AGAIN, IT'S $518,000 AND UM, INCREASE AND 500 OF IT WAS THE UH, THAT SUPER PROJECT, RIGHT? BUT THEN THERE'S THE 400 OF THE TRANSFER.
YEAH, THAT, WELL THAT 400 TRANSFER IS, IS SOMETHING FROM THE, IT'S NOT SPENT, IT'S JUST MOVING, MOVING MONIES FROM THE CAP FUND TO THE ISF FUND, WHICH ARE BOTH CAPITAL RELATED FUNDS.
IT WAS MORE OF A, AN AMOUNT THAT I NEEDED TO MAKE THE ISF WORK.
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UM, DOLLAR WISE, I DECREASED THAT BY 400,000.SO THAT ISN'T A SPEND NUMBER THOUGH.
UM, SO THE ACTUAL NET IS THAT FIVE 18 YOU'RE LOOKING AT AND INCOME STAYS THE SAME.
INCOME DID NOT CHANGE ANYTHING ON THE INCOME SIDE.
WE DO THINK WE'RE CONSERVATIVE THERE AND WE WILL ALWAYS BE AS LONG AS I'M PART OF THE BUDGET, BUT UH, WHICH MEANS WHEN WE SAY WE MADE NO CHANGES ON THE INCOME SIDE, THERE IS NO TAX INCREASE IN THIS BUDGET FOR THE TOWNSHIP.
I I KNOW I JUST, SORRY FOR EVERYBODY.
I THINK IT'S THE SCHOOL BOARD, IT'S THE SCHOOL TAXES GOES UP AND THEN EVERYBODY HAS ASSUMED YOUR TAXES.
I GET THAT ON THE COUNTY TOO, BUT THE COUNTY.
THE SCHOOL'S THE BIGGEST TAX NUMBER YOU'RE GONNA SEE EVER IN ANY, THE TOWNSHIP IS ACTUALLY FAIRLY SMALL FROM MY, FROM MY STANDPOINT OF REAL ESTATE TAXES, USUALLY MUCH LARGER PERCENTAGE OF REVENUE.
WE ARE KIND OF BLESSED BY THE JOBS THAT ARE IN THIS, THIS TAX AND JURISDICTION, UM, THAT WE DON'T HAVE HIGHER REAL ESTATE ATTACHMENT.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION WITH DOT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 43 APPRO IN 2024 OPERATING AND CAPITAL BUDGET.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 43 APPROVING THE 2024 OPERATING AND CAPITAL BUDGET FOR THE TOWNSHIP.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
AND, UH, NOW WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS, WE WE GOT A, WE NEEDED A CHANGE TO THE POLICE CONTRACT.
I'LL, I'LL LET TIM GO AHEAD TIM.
YEAH, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE'VE ALREADY COMPLETED OUR POLICE NEGOTIATIONS.
UH, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WE HAD A, A SUCCESSFUL, UH, MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING.
WHAT WE'VE DONE NOW IS TAKE, HAVE TAKEN ALL THE, THE SEVERAL ARBITRATION AWARDS, SEVERAL, UH, PASS AGREEMENTS AND SITE AGREEMENTS AND PUT THEM TOGETHER IN ONE CONSOLIDATED CODIFIED AGREEMENT.
AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE POLICE, UH, WERE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE, UH, LANGUAGE IN THE CODIFIED AGREEMENT.
WHAT'S HOLD HELD THIS UP IS ONE LITTLE CLAUSE IN THE HEALTH INSURANCE.
UH, AND THIS WAS A CARRYOVER FROM A PRIOR ARBITRATION AWARD WHERE IT ACTUALLY IDENTIFIED THE INSURANCE COMPANY.
AND I THINK IN ANY, WHEN YOU HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY WHEN YOU'RE GOING OUT AND LOOKING AT NEW HEALTH INSURANCE PRODUCTS, YOU WANT A MORE GENERIC LANGUAGE, THEY'VE AGREED TO ADD ORATES EQUIVALENT TO THAT SECTION ON HEALTH INSURANCE.
SO WITH THAT CHANGE, THE CODIFIED AGREEMENTS READY TO BE SIGNED AND I'D RECOMMEND BOARD APPROVAL.
ANY, UH, ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS IN LOTS OF DETAIL IN THE PAST MEETINGS.
IF THERE'S NO QUESTION, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE EXECUTION OF THE CODIFIED POLICE CONTRACT.
I'LL SECOND THEN I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND TO AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION OF THE CODIFIED POLICE CONTRACT.
ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[NEW BUSINESS (ACTION/DISCUSSION ITEMS)]
BUSINESS, CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE ADVERTISEMENT OF BIDS FOR THE 2024 ROAD PAVING PROJECTS, A, B, AND C.AND, UH, THOSE THERE, THEY'RE ON THE SCREEN, THOSE MAPS WERE IN YOUR PACKET.
AND, UH, SO ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS? SO WE TOOK OUT ALONG, DID WE END UP DOING THAT? WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE WORKSHOP IN ORDER TO DO MORE ROADS AT ONCE.
PRO TOM, YOU CAN HELP ME HERE, BUT PROJECT A AND PROJECT B ARE BOTH THE, UM, WE SEPARATE, SEPARATE OUT THE, THE, UH, UM, PUBLIC WORKS, UH, GENERAL FUND FUNDED PROJECTS FOR ROADS, AND THEN WE HAVE LIQUID FUELS FUNDED.
AND THEN PROJECT C IS OUR NEW APPROACH ON DOING THE, UM, WHAT'S THAT DEVELOPMENT CALLED? WELL, IT'S THE ROUTE ONE 13 CARS, EVERYTHING ALONG ROUTE ONE 13, WHICH IS ABOUT FIVE.
UH, IT'S INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET OF ABOUT A $5 MILLION IN, UM, TOTAL FUNDING.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO REACH OUR BENCHMARK OF FOUR MILES.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS WHERE WE'RE MY, I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE IDEA WAS FLOATED OF BORROWING MONEY TO DO BIGGER BIDS.
THAT'S NOT THIS, THIS IS THE STANDARD YEAR ON YEAR, YOUR 20 YEAR ROTATION PLAN.
THE PROJECT PROJECT C DOES INCLUDE A BORROWING.
DOES WHAT? PROJECT C DOES INCLUDE THE BORROWING FOR NEXT YEAR? YES.
AND PROBABLY A SMALL PORTION OF B AS WELL.
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SO IS THIS A BIGGER BID THAN WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST? YES.THIS IS BIG BECAUSE THE IDEA WAS TO ATTRACT BIGGER CONTRACTORS, TRACTORS, YES.
THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK.
THERE'S, UH, A LOT OF HANDICAP RAMPS.
UH, A LOT OF SEWER OR STORM SEWER REPLACEMENT TOPS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT IN THERE.
I THINK WE CAN THINK WE CAN DO IT, THINK WE CAN GET IT DONE IN A YEAR.
WE WANNA GET THIS OUT THE BID VERY EARLY.
SO, SO WE, WE'LL TAKE A, IT WILL TAKE DOUBLE THE TIME THAT WE USUALLY 'CAUSE IT'S TOWARDS THIS BIG.
JUST SO THAT EVERYBODY'S CLEAR, UM, I THINK WE LET SKI STEVE ESCAPE TOO EARLY, BUT
UM, OUR GENERAL ANNUAL ALLOCATION FROM GENERAL FUND, WHICH WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, AND THEN THE, UM, STEVE'S NOT HERE, BUT I'LL TRY TO USE THE, THE LANGUAGES WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE DOING WHAT'S CALLED A SMALL ISSUE BOND AND WE'RE IN A CLIMATE RIGHT, WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY BANK THE ARBITRAGE.
WE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE MONEY ON THE ARBITRAGE.
I DON'T WANNA SAY IT'S FREE MONEY, BUT IT'S WHY WE HAVE THE MONEY IN THE BANK.
WE CAN, UH, ALLOWS US TO, UM, USE, USE THAT TO, UM, DO THE PROJECT.
SO IN THE NEXT, SO NEXT YEAR AND THE YEAR AFTER, WE'LL HAVE MUCH SMALLER REPAVING PROJECTS.
AND WE'LL PROBABLY GO BACK TO A SMALLER PROJECT B AT THAT POINT.
WE'LL PLAY IT YEAR BY YEAR HERE TO SEE HOW THINGS GO.
THIS WILL PUT US IN A GOOD SPOT.
YEAH, I KNOW WE DISCUSSED THIS EXTENSIVELY IN THE WORKSHOP, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR THAT WHAT I'M CALLING THE ROUTE ON 13TH QUARTER, THOSE ROADS ARE LIKE 24 YEARS OLD NOW, SO THEY'RE DUE, THEY'RE ALL, THEY WERE ALL KIND OF BUILT TOGETHER AND THEY'RE ALL DUE FOR PAVING, SO.
AND LIKE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD I CAN SEE WHERE THE, THE SINK HOLES ARE DEVELOPING ALONG THE CURVE AND WE'RE PAVEMENT IS SHRUNK, SO.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK WE'RE SKIPPING YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AREN'T WE? NO, WE ALREADY DID MINE.
THEY, THEY, THEY EMBARRASSED ME THE SECOND YEAR AFTER I WAS ELECTED BY DOING MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, ALRIGHT, UM, MR, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YEAH, SURE.
IF THERE'S ANY LEFTOVER ASPHALT FOR VISTA DRIVE, CAN YOU PUT SOME SPEED BUMPS IN ALONG DRIVER VIS? IS THAT LIKE WHERE DO, WHERE WOULD I BRING THAT TO THE ATTENTION OF OUR, OUR TOWNSHIP? BECAUSE IF THIS DEVELOPMENT GOES IN AND THAT CIRCLE HAPPENS, THERE'S GONNA BE A HUGE IMPACT ON DR.
THIS ROAD AND, AND WE HAVE A HARD ENOUGH TIME.
I DODGE THE DOGS, LET ALONE THE CARS.
I MEAN THE CARS, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, BUT, UM, I'LL TALK TO MY NEIGHBORS ABOUT SLOWING DOWN, BUT THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO COME DOWN THAT ROAD AT 50 MILES PER HOUR WHEN IT'S A 25 MILE EVEN TO PUT UP ONE OF THOSE LITTLE TRAFFIC THINGS LIKE SAYING, HEY, DO YOU KNOW HOW FAST YOU'RE GOING? MAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION YOU COULD TAKE 'EM OFF OF GUMS ROAD AND PUT 'EM THERE.
WE DON'T NEED 'EM AT GUM'S ROAD ANYMORE.
WE DON'T FEEL THEY WERE A GOOD IDEA.
AND OUR POLICY IS WHENEVER WE REPAVE GUMS ROAD, THEY WILL NOT BE PUT BACK IN.
IT JUST, IT'S TOUGH FOR THESE GUYS WHEN THEY GOTTA GET SOMEPLACE QUICK.
AND ALSO IF, WHEN WE BUILD THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE, ALL OF THE APPROACHES TO THAT TRAFFIC CIRCLE WILL BE IMPROVED DRIVER BASE SECOND AVENUE AND BOTH, BOTH LANE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE, UH, TO THE TRAIN TRACKS.
I HOPE, I DUNNO IF WE'LL BE GOING THAT FAR, AT LEAST PERHAPS A FEW SPEED BUMPS.
AND WE DO HAVE THE POLICE TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE DON'T SPEED ON YOUR I KNOW I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA REACH OUT TO MY NEIGHBORS AND SAY, COME ON, GET THE, THE PROGRAM HERE.
BUT BECAUSE THAT IS A WALKING ROUTE FOR MANY OF US SINCE THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS AND WE
ALRIGHT, UH, IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE ADVERTISEMENT BIDS FOR THE 2024 ROAD PAVING PROJECTS.
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A SECOND TO AUTHORIZE THE ADVERTISEMENT OF BIDS FOR THE 2024 ROAD PAVING PROJECTS.CONSIDER AUTHORIZING ADVERTISEMENT OF BIDS FOR THE GREENWOOD AVENUE SEWER PROJECT.
OBJECTION, I THINK WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THE GREENWOOD AVENUE SORT OF PROJECT FOR THE BETTER PART OF TWO AND A HALF OR THREE YEARS.
UM, WE APPLIED FOR A GRANT IN 2022 THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AWARDED ORIGINALLY IN MAY AND THEN JULY AND THEN SEPTEMBER AND THEN NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR.
UM, THE COMMONWEALTH FINANCING AUTHORITY IS SCHEDULED A SPECIAL MEETING FOR DECEMBER 20TH TO ANNOUNCE WHETHER WE RECEIVED THE GRANT OR NOT.
UM, SIMILAR TO THE ROAD PAVING PROJECT, WE'D LIKE TO BE IN A POSITION TO GET A BID OUT EARLY IN 2024 IF WE'RE AWARDED THE GRANT.
UM, SO WE'RE SEEKING YOUR AUTHORIZATION TONIGHT TO PROCEED WITH THE ADVERTISEMENT FOR THAT PROJECT IF WE ARE IN FACT AWARDED THE GRANT.
AND IF WE'RE NOT AWARDED THE GRANT, IF WE'RE NOT, WE'LL WAIT FOR, UM, EITHER THE FOLLOWING MEETING.
I MEAN, IF THE BOARD, IF THE BOARD MEETS AND DOESN'T, UM, TAKE ACTION ON THE, ON THE GRANT ROUND, THAT IS WILL BE BEFORE THEM.
UH, WE'LL WAIT TO SEE IF THE GRANT IS AWARDED.
IF WE GET NOTIFICATION THAT WE'RE NOT A RECIPIENT OF THE AWARD, UH, OF THE, UH, OF THE GRANT, THEN THE PROJECT IS BAKED INTO THE BUDGET THAT THE BOARD, UM, JUST ADOPTED TONIGHT FOR 2024.
THERE'S FUNDING IN THE SO CAPITAL FUND FOR IT, UH, IN ITS ENTIRETY EVEN IF WE DON'T GET THE GRANT.
SO WE'LL DO IT NO MATTER WHAT.
CORRECT, BRIAN, BUT WE'D LIKE TO WAIT FOR THE GRANT.
UM, BRIAN, I KNOW THAT THIS ISN'T PART OF THE SEWER PROJECT, BUT WHERE ARE WE ON THE SIDEWALKS? THEY'RE IN THE SAME AREA.
UM, WE'RE IN RECEIPT OF SOMEBODY FROM WB HOMES TO UP THE INTERSECTION WITH THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
I THINK THAT WAS IN TOM'S FIVE YEAR CAPITAL PROJECT.
AND, UM, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL PERMIT, WE'D BE LOOKING AT DOING SIDEWALKS AND PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS TO THE EXTENT THAT, AND THAT REQUIRES WHEN THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL GOES IN.
IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE ADVERTISEMENT OF BIDS FOR THE GREENWOOD AVENUE SEWER PROJECT.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND TO AUTHORIZE THE ADVERTISEMENT OF BIDS FOR THE GREENWOOD AVENUE SILVER PROJECT.
UH, NUMBER EIGHT, CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE SOLICITOR TO EXECUTE A STIPULATION OF SETTLEMENT PERTAINING TO A BOARD OF ASSESSMENT APPEALS ACTION FILED BY QUEST DIAGNOSTICS CLINICAL 1201 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD.
AND I, JOE'S NOT HERE TONIGHT, BUT I WANTED TO ASK, MAYBE JEFF KNOWS I WAS LOOKING AT THE VALUE OF THIS PROPERTY.
WHAT, WHAT PROPERTY IS THIS EXACTLY? THIS IS THE CORNER PROPERTY.
IT INCLUDES THE OLD HOUSE THAT YOU SEE ON BLACKROCK ROAD, BUT IT IS, IT IS THE, UM, THE QUEST I, THE BUILDING THAT SET BACK FROM THE ROAD.
IT'S THE, IT'S EVERYTHING BETWEEN BLACKROCK ROAD AND BLACKROCK PARK, OR SORRY, COLLEGEVILLE ROAD AND BLACKROCK PARK.
AND IF EVERYBODY REMEMBERS, THIS IS THE ONE WE SENT JOE BACK TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION HE BROUGHT TO US IN THE LAST MEETING ABOUT, THIS WAS ONE THAT WENT DOWN QUITE A BIT.
SO DID THEY INCLUDE THAT OLD HOME? YES.
I WONDER WHAT THEY, IS IT ABANDONED THAT HOME? UM, I, I KNOW QUEST HAD BEEN TAKEN CARE OF AT SOME POINT IN TIME WHILE THEY WERE THERE.
YEAH, I, I, I AGREE WITH LORI
UM, I, I KNOW THAT, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN DEVELOPERS THAT, AND QUEST HAS BEEN PUTTING IN OR ASKING FOR OFFERS.
I DO HAVE A MEETING COMING UP WITH A POTENTIAL DEVELOPER AS THESE THINGS HAPPEN.
THEY COME IN, THEY SAY, HEY, CAN WE DO THIS? AND I SORT OF TELL 'EM WHAT THE PROCESS IS GOING TO BE AND SEE IF ANYTHING IS GONNA MOVE FORWARD.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING AND THEN THAT'S WEDNESDAY, SO, WE'LL, WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT.
IT'S REALLY EARLY IN THE PROCESS FOR EVERYTHING, BUT I KNOW QUEST HAS IDENTIFIED ONE PERSON, ONE ORGANIZATION TO PURCHASE IT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THEY ARE, WHAT THE AGREEMENT IS, ANYTHING.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
UH, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE A SOLICITOR EXECUTE STIPULATION TO SETTLE PERTAINING TO A BOARD OF ASSESSMENT APPEALS ACTION FILED BY QUEST DIAGNOSIS DIAGNOSTIC CLINICAL 1201 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE APPROACH.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO AUTHORIZE THE SOLICITOR TO EXECUTE
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A STIPULATION TO SETTLE PERTAINING TO A BOARD OF ASSESSMENT APPEALS ACTION FILED BY QUEST DIAGNOSTICS CLINICAL 1201 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD.[MANAGER AND DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS]
AND WE ARE TO MANAGER AND DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS.MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST WANNA GIVE AN UPDATE ON, UH, BOARD AND COMMISSION, UH, VACANCIES.
DO WE HAVE A COPY OF THE QR CODE? WE HAVE ON OUR WEBSITE A, UH, QR CODE FOR ANY RESIDENTS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN VOLUNTEERING.
UH, THEY CAN USE THEIR, UH, THEIR APP TO UM, GET DIRECTED TO HOW TO VOLUNTEER FOR SOME OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMITTEES.
WE HAVE SENT OUT LETTERS TO ALL OF OUR EXISTING, UM, COMMITTEE HOLDERS.
EVERYBODY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF OF TWO, HAVE SAID THEY'RE, UM, INTERESTED IN BEING REAPPOINTED.
WE CURRENTLY ARE GONNA HAVE OPENINGS, UH, ON A ZHB ALTERNATE FOR THREE YEAR TERM.
UM, A ZHB BOARD MEMBER FOR FIVE YEAR TERM.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION OPENING FOR FOUR YEAR AND THEN AN, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE AT LARGE FOR A THREE YEAR.
WE'VE GOTTEN A COUPLE OF RESIDENTS WHO'VE EXPRESSED INTEREST, BUT I'M TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE WORD OUT.
UM, FOR ANYBODY WHO'S INTERESTED TO PLEASE, UH, SEND A LETTER OF INTEREST SO WE CAN, UM, THE BOARD, UM, DOESN'T HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL MARCH OR APRIL TO APPOINT SOME OF THESE POSITIONS.
I THINK SINCE LAURIE AND JOHN ARE GETTING OFF THE BOARD, YOU'RE LAUGHING.
I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA.
JOHN, YOU JUST STAND YOUR PHONE ON THAT BLACK BOX.
YOU'RE ALWAYS VOLUNTEERING ME.
FINISHING MY SENTENCES AND VOLUNTEERING ME.
NO, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
I'LL CONSIDER, I WILL CONSIDER IT.
JEN, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING FROM ENGINEERING? NO, NOTHING TONIGHT.
AND, UH, WE HAVE A FILL IN SOLICITORS, SO, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY, DO YOU? UH, NO.
OBVIOUSLY JOE SENDS HIS REGRET, BUT HE DIDN'T PROVIDE ME ANYTHING FOR A SOLICITOR'S REPORT.
[SUPERVISORS COMMENTS]
NOW WE'RE DOWN TO SUPERVISOR COMMENTS.ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? YES.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, I I I WROTE A LITTLE BIT OF A LITTLE SPEECH HERE, BUT YOU JUMPED RIGHT IN WITH BUSINESS AND I FIGURED OKAY, I'D LET IT GO TO THE END.
I GOT, I GOT A COUPLE OF THANK YOUS HERE.
UH, I'D LIKE TO THANK TIM TEPERMAN.
IN THE BEGINNING I WASN'T QUITE SURE ABOUT TIM, BUT HE HAS FOR EXCEEDED ANY EXPECTATIONS I HAD OF HIM.
UH, HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN HERE FOR THIS BOARD AND KNOWS HOW TO GENTLY PUSH US IN THE DIRECTION WE SHOULD TAKE.
HE HAS CREATED A GREAT WORKING STAFF AND IT FEELS MORE LIKE A FAMILY WITH HIM AT THE HELMS, HE IS THE CAPTAIN OF THE SHIP AND KEEPS US ALL ON COURSE.
AND TO BRIAN HICK, YOU LISTENED TO ALL MY CRAZY STORIES AND ANSWERED ALL MY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DID WITH FEMA AND ABOVE ALL I KNOW WHAT A GREAT DAD YOU ARE TO YOUR CHILDREN.
YOU ARE THE GLUE THAT KEEPS US ALL WORKING TOGETHER IN THE SAME DIRECTION.
I PROMISE NOT TO CURSE THROUGH THE REST OF THIS THANK YOU LIST.
AND I, AND I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE BEGINNING.
I PROMISE
IT'S LIKE, NO, I THOUGHT NO CHERYL OR WILL GIMME SOME CRAP
UM, I, I PROMISE TO TURN OFF MY MIC WHEN NOT SPEAKING.
I'VE ENJOYED SWAPPING RV STORIES WITH YOU AND I HOPE WE RUN INTO EACH OTHER IN OUR, IN OUR TRAVELS.
UM, TO DONNA AND KAREN WHO SIT AT THE FRONT DESKS THERE YOU ARE THE FIRST CONTACT WITH THE RESIDENTS OF THIS TOWNSHIP.
AND I'M SURE THEY HAVEN'T ALWAYS BEEN PLEASANT ONES.
YOU DESERVE PURPLE HEARTS FOR YOUR EFFORTS.
THANK YOU FOR FOLDING THOSE WALL THAT HEALS FLYERS.
AFTER YOUR ORDEAL WITH THE WALL THAT HEALS.
I HAVE SO MUCH MORE RESPECT FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.
THE RESIDENTS OF THE TOWNSHIP ARE LUCKY TO HAVE YOU.
OUR RECREATION DEPARTMENT ROCKS.
PLEASE EXTEND MY THANKS TO MARIA AND LIZ THAT HELPS, HELPS YOU MAKE IT HAPPEN.
I HOPE YOU, I HOPE BY NOW YOUR CHILDREN ARE STARTING TO RECOGNIZE YOU AGAIN.
THANK YOU, JEFF GRACE, MATT LIGHT, AND PATTY FIORI.
WHENEVER I NEED DIRECTION ON THE LAND ISSUE, I COULD COUNT ON JEFF'S EXPERTISE.
WHENEVER I HAD A SIGN OR FENCE OR ANY OTHER ISSUE, I COULD COUNT ON
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THAT FOR HIS HELP TO SET ME STRAIGHT.AND I KNOW I STOLE PATTY FOR DAYS FROM JEFF, BUT SHE WAS INVALUABLE DURING THE WALL THAT HEELS.
THANK YOU TO NATE VARGAS FOR FIXING MY COMPUTER AND PHONE AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO SAY THEN LET ALONE FIX THEM ON MY OWN.
AND THANK YOU FOR TURNING ME ON TO YOUTUBE TV.
THANK YOU TO CHIEF MARK FREEMAN.
I HAVE LIKE YOU FROM THE FIRST DAY I'VE MET YOU.
WHENEVER YOU SAW ME LONG BEFORE MY INVOLVEMENT WITH THE TOWNSHIP, YOU ALWAYS MADE IT A POINT TO STOP AND TALK TO ME.
YOU HAVE MADE ME A BETTER PERSON FOR KNOWING YOU.
PLEASE THANK THE REST OF THE OFFICERS FOR ME.
UM, MIKE, MIKE BRISTLE, CHIEF BRISTLE.
WE HAVE OFTEN HEARD THE PHRASE, WOULD YOU FOLLOW THE, THAT PERSON INTO A BURNING BUILDING? WELL, MY ANSWER WOULD BE YES.
AND WE, WHEN WE WERE DONE PUTTING THAT FIRE OUT, HE WOULD PROBABLY TURN TO ME AND BUST MY SHOES ABOUT DROPPING MY SPEECH PAPERS.
MIKE, PLEASE EXTEND MY GRATITUDE TO THE GUYS.
THE GUYS NEVER GOT THE ACCOLADES YOU SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK IN MONTCLAIR DURING THE IDLE FLOOD.
WHENEVER YOU SEE TOM DON AND HIS CREW OUT ON THE STREETS DOING THEIR THING, YOU SHOULD STOP AND THANK THEM FOR KEEPING OUR STREETS AND NEIGHBORHOODS IN GOOD CONDITION.
TOM, SAY HI TO, THIS IS MARTIN ALLEY FOR
UM, THANK YOU RENEE AND STEVE, UH, AND FINANCE DEPARTMENT.
AND THE STAFF AND TIM FOR KEEPING US FINANCIALLY SOUND.
THANK YOU TO JOE BRESNAN FOR KEEPING ME FROM DOING ANYTHING ILLEGAL AND KEEPING ME OUT OF JAIL.
THANK YOU TO CASEY MOORE FOR ADVISING US ON ROAD ISSUES, TRAFFIC PROBLEMS, AND KEEPING THINGS FLOWING.
JEN GUTTAL, YOU TOOK OVER THIS JOB FROM A MAN THAT'S BEEN HERE FOREVER THAT I ADMIRE.
YOU'VE HAD BIG SHOES TO FILL, YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.
THANK YOU TO THIS BOARD, BILL STARLING, HELENE, KELSEY, LAURIE HIGGINS, NOT LORE.
TOM YEAGER AND WELCOME TO THE NEW BOARD MEMBERS.
I KNOW WE HAVEN'T ALWAYS AGREED ON THINGS, BUT IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH YOU ALL AND THANK YOU HELENE, FOR COMPLETING MY SENTENCES FOR ME WHEN I'M LOST.
A LONG TIME AGO SITTING, A SITTING SUPERVISOR CAME TO ME AND SAID HE WASN'T SURE WHETHER OR NOT HE WAS MAKING THE RIGHT DECISIONS.
I SAID TO HIM, IF YOU THINK YOU'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR THE TOWNSHIP, YOU CAN PUT YOUR HEAD ON YOUR PILLOW AT NIGHT AND SLEEP TIGHT KNOWING YOU'VE DONE THE RIGHT THING.
I, I'VE ALWAYS BELIEVED YOU DON'T NEED A DEGREE TO DO THIS JOB.
YOU JUST NEED SOME COMMON SENSE.
THANK YOU TO THE RESIDENTS OF THIS GREAT TOWNSHIP FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THEM.
I AM HONORED AND HUMBLED AND I APPRECIATE EVERY ONE OF YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE.
AND CONSIDERING THAT JOHN'S IS SO VERY WELL PREPARED, 'CAUSE HE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS AHEAD OF TIME AND I DIDN'T, I WILL JUST DITTO EVERYTHING JOHN SAID AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY HERE.
I THINK WE'VE BUILT UP A GREAT TEAM OVER THE LAST SIX YEARS AND I'M GONNA MISS EVERYBODY.
IT'S GONNA BE EASIER FOR ME NOT HAVING TO COME TO THE MEETINGS, BUT I AM GONNA MISS SEEING EVERYBODY AND WORKING WITH EVERYBODY.
ANY OTHER? OKAY, UM, WE HAVE, UH, ONE LITTLE PIECE OF BUSINESS.
I'M GONNA MAKE THE MOTION AND SOMEBODY CAN SECOND IT.
BUT SINCE WE COMPLETED OUR WORK TONIGHT, WE DO NOT NEED TO HAVE OUR DECEMBER 11TH MEETING.
SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CANCEL THE ADVERTISED, UH, SUPERVISORS MEETING FOR DECEMBER 11TH.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND TO CANCEL OUR REGULAR MEETING ON DECEMBER 11TH, 2023.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE A AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU SO MUCH.
[UPCOMING EVENTS]
WITH THAT, I WILL MOVE ON WITH UPCOMING MEETINGS.SO THE NEXT TIME THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETS WILL BE FOR OUR REORGANIZATION MEETING, THAT IS A SHORT FORMAL MEETING TO SIMPLY REESTABLISH THE BOARD ELECT THE NEW CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.
AND, UH, SO THERE'LL BE SOME REAPPOINTMENTS OF CONSULTANTS AND WHATNOT AT THAT MEETING.
[01:25:01]
BUSINESS ON THE AGENDA UNLESS THERE'S AN EMERGENCY ITEM.AND THAT WILL BE ON TUESDAY, JANUARY 2ND, 2024 AT SEVEN O'CLOCK, THE BOARD OF AUDITORS.
AND AT THAT TIME, WE WILL ALSO PASS THE MEETING SCHEDULED FOR ALL OF NEXT YEAR.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHEN YOU'LL FIND OUT WHAT ALL THE OTHERS ARE, BUT I DON'T ANTICIPATE WE'RE GONNA CHANGE FROM THIRD MONDAY OF THE MONTH.
UH, BOARD OF AUDITORS MEETS JANUARY 3RD AT 7:00 PM ALSO A REORGANIZATION MEETING.
UH, PLANNING COMMISSION IS MEETING TOMORROW OR, UH, WEDNESDAY, WEDNESDAY NIGHT AT SEVEN O'CLOCK.
AND I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE AN AGENDA OUT THERE, RIGHT? YEAH, THE, WE'RE MEETING, UH, WE'RE DISCUSSING THE FINAL PLAN FOR THE FOLEY TOLD DEVELOPMENT ON GREENHOUSE ROAD AND MORE THAN LIKELY THE DECEMBER 20TH MEETING WILL BE CANCELED THAT NIGHT.
ALRIGHT, KEEP AN EYE ON THE WEBSITE, BUT, UH, BUT WE, THEY ARE MEETING ON THE SIXTH AND THERE WILL BE A LAND DEVELOPMENT ISSUE ON THERE AND, UH, THE 20TH LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE CANCELED.
UH, ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL TO BE DETERMINED.
PARKS AND RECREATION WILL MEET DECEMBER 6TH.
WAS THAT THIS WEDNESDAY AGAIN? MM-HMM.
UH, HEARING APPLICATION 23 DASH OH TWO, WHICH IS, UH, THE ADDRESS THAT'S RELATED TO IS 7 65 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD.
THAT'S A STEEP SLOPES, STEEP SLOPES HEARING.
AND, UH, DECEMBER 19TH, UH, AGAIN, UH, IT'LL BE 23 DASH TEN ONE SEVENTY TWO HOPWOOD ROAD.
SO, UH, AND WITH THAT, I'M GONNA WISH EVERYBODY A HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND, UH, DRIVE SAFE.
UH, WE'RE IN A SHORT DAYLIGHT PERIOD OF THE YEAR AND SLICK ROADS EVERYBODY.
BE SAFE, ENJOY YOUR FAMILY, AND WE'LL SEE YOU IN JANUARY.
I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.