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GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.I'D LIKE TO CALL REPORTER OF THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE UPPER PROVIDENCE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MONDAY, AUGUST 21ST.
UH, IF YOU'LL RISE AS YOU'RE ABLE AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PLEDGE STOOD FLAG, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY, JUSTICE FOR ALL
[MOTION TO APPROVE BOARD AGENDA]
I KNOW EVERYONE'S HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW OUR AGENDA ON THE BOARD.IF I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
[CEREMONIES]
A COUPLE OF CEREMONIES, CHIEF.SO, TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA RECOGNIZE, UH, MY LIEUTENANT RYAN SHEEHAN, UH, HE JUST GRADUATED FROM THE NATIONAL ACADEMY, UH, THE F B I NATIONAL ACADEMY IN QUANTICO, VIRGINIA.
I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKSTORY ON THE ACADEMY.
AND THEN, UH, CHAIRMAN DARLING IS GONNA PRESENT THE, UH, PLAQUE FROM FROM THE BOARD.
SO, THE FBI'S NATIONAL ACADEMY IS KNOWN AS ONE OF THE PREMIER LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINING PROGRAMS IN THE WORLD.
LESS THAN 1% OF ALL APPLICANTS ACTUALLY GET ACCEPTED INTO THE ACADEMY.
THERE'S FOUR CLASSES, EXCUSE ME, A YEAR.
AND, UH, THE COMPETITION TO GET INTO THIS 10 WEEK LONG, UH, LEADERSHIP TRAINING IS JUST TREMENDOUS BECAUSE IT'S WORLDWIDE.
IT'S NOT JUST LIMITED TO THE, UH, UNITED STATES.
SO HIS PARTICULAR CLASS 238, SO 238 STUDENTS, UH, FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD.
AND I BELIEVE 25 OF THOSE STUDENTS WERE FROM INTERNATIONAL.
THEY COULD BE FROM GREECE, SINGAPORE, UH, YOU KNOW, ANYWHERE.
AND SO WHEN HE GRADUATES, YOU KNOW, HAVING SPENT 10 WEEKS WITH ALL OF THESE INDIVIDUALS WHEN HE GRADUATES, HE, NO MATTER WHERE HE GOES ON VACATION, HE'S GONNA KNOW SOMEONE.
UM, AND SO A LOT OF THIS, UM, PROGRAM IS FOR NETWORKING.
THE PROGRAM WAS ACTUALLY ESTABLISHED IN 1935, AND IT ACTUALLY PROVIDES LIKE AN INVESTIGATIVE MANAGEMENT AND FITNESS TRAINING TO SENIOR OFFICERS WHO ARE ALREADY, UH, PROVEN LEADERS IN THEIR OWN, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENTS, UH, IN ADDITION TO UNDERGRADUATE AND GRADUATE LEVEL COURSES.
SO WHEN HE SIGNED UP, HE HAD TO ACTUALLY SIGN UP BECAUSE HE HAS A GRADUATE DEGREE ALREADY.
HE HAD TO SIGN UP FOR GRADUATE DEGREE, UH, COURSES.
IT'S LIKE BEING A SEMESTER IN COLLEGE, UH, FOR 10 STRAIGHT WEEKS.
BUT IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, COURSES THAT ARE TAUGHT BY SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS BY THE F B I.
HE'S IN THE SAME BUILDING AS THE F B I CADET.
YOU ARE ACTUALLY GONNA BE, UH, FUTURE F B I, WHICH IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR NETWORKING BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE F B I AGENTS WILL BE LOCAL TO US, WHETHER IT BE PHILADELPHIA OR FORT WASHINGTON.
SO HE'S GETTING TO KNOW ALL OF THEM.
UM, THE PROGRAM ALSO EMPHASIS, UM, ON PHYSICAL FITNESS.
SO IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY GET IN WITHIN THE FIRST DAY OR TWO, YOU HAVE TO PERFORM A PHYSICAL FITNESS TEST.
IF YOU DON'T, YOU'RE BACK ON THE PLANE IN YOUR HOME.
AND SO THROUGHOUT THE 10 WEEKS, NOT ONLY ARE THEY DOING PHYSICAL FITNESS, UM, TWO, THREE DAYS A WEEK, IS THAT ACCURATE? YEAH, TWO, THREE DAYS A WEEK.
BUT AT THE END, THEY GET TO, UH, TRY TO COMPLETE THE MARINE OBSTACLE COURSE, WHICH IS 6.1 MILE OBSTACLE COURSE.
UM, AND IF YOU DO, YOU GIVE THIS SYMBOLIC YELLOW BRICK.
SO IT'S CALLED THE YELLOW BRICK ROAD.
AND SO IF HE EVER GOES TO ANOTHER AGENCY SOMEWHERE, WALKS INTO THE COMMANDER'S OFFICE AND HE SEES A YELLOW BRICK SITTING ON THE WALL, HE'LL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS.
IT'S A, IT'S A MEMBERSHIP THAT IS VERY, VERY ELITE.
UM, SO ATTENDING THE NA IS A PRIVILEGE, IT'S AN HONOR, AND I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT HE REPRESENTED OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR TOWNSHIP EXTREMELY WELL.
UH, HOWEVER, HIS ATTENDANCE WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE IF IT WASN'T FOR THE FORWARD THINKING OF THE TOWNSHIP MANAGER AND, AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
I CAN TELL YOU WITHOUT ANY RESERVATION THAT THEY ARE ALL ON BOARD FOR THE FUTURE LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT OF, UH, ALL OF OUR OFFICERS.
AND THIS IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF THAT.
UM, SO IN RECOGNITION OF HIS ATTENDANCE TO THE NATIONAL, UH, ACADEMY AND HIS GRADUATION, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT A PLAQUE TO HIM THIS EVENING.
I'LL JUST READ WHAT IT SAYS HERE.
UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
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ISSUES THIS AWARD THEREBY CERTIFYING THAT RYAN SHEEHAN UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP POLICE DEPARTMENT OAKS, PA, HAS COMPLETED A GENERAL COURSE OF INSTRUCTION OFFERED BY THE F B I NATIONAL ACADEMY AT QUANTICO IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA FOR A PERIOD OF 10 WEEKS, ENDING THE EIGHTH DAY OF JUNE IN THE YEAR OF 2023.I KNOW THE, THE CHIEF ALLUDED TO IT.
UM, BUT I, I HAVE A HUGE DEBT OF GRATITUDE TO THE BOARD SUPERVISORS, TIM TEPERMAN, UM, EVERYONE HERE IN THE TOWNSHIP FOR AFFORDING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY.
WE'RE REALLY FORTUNATE TO WORK IN A TOWNSHIP MUNICIPALITY WHERE EVERYONE WORKS SO WELL TOGETHER.
UM, YOU KNOW, EVERY DEPARTMENT WE HAVE IN PROVIDENCE, IT'S A GREAT WORKING EXPERIENCE.
I WANNA THANK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND EVERYONE THAT STEPPED IN AND HELPED OUT THE CHIEF WHILE I WAS AWAY.
I HAVE A LOT OF DUTIES, A LOT OF ROLES IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT HAD TO STEP IN AND HELPED OUT WHILE I WAS AWAY.
CHIEF, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING.
YOU'VE BEEN A GREAT MENTOR ALONG THE WAY, PUSHING ME AND, UM, MAKING ME WORK HARDER.
YOU KNOW, I AM WHERE I'M TODAY 'CAUSE OF YOU.
AND THEN FINALLY, UNFORTUNATELY, MY FAMILY COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT'S FIRST DAY OF SCHOOL FOR, FOR MY OLDEST, MY WIFE'S A TEACHER.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR SUPPORT AND LOVE ALONG THE WAY, ESPECIALLY MY WIFE, TWO LITTLE GIRLS.
AND, UH, SHE HAS HER OWN BUSINESS ON THE SIDE OF BAKERY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WELL, WITHOUT HER HOLDING DOWN THE FORT, YOU KNOW, WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT.
I COULDN'T HAVE HER GO AWAY FOR 10 WEEKS AND HAVE THE HOUSE TO BE
APPRECIATE EVERYONE THAT'S BEEN SUPPORTIVE AND HELPED US OUT.
UM, COULDN'T BE MORE PROUD TO REPRESENT FOR PROVIDENCE DOWN IN LON.
SO, THANK YOU, CHIEF RUSSELL AND DEPUTY.
TWO MONTHS AGO, I CAME UP HERE AND I SAID, I WISH I COULD GIVE OUT THIS AWARD EVERY SINGLE MONTH.
UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE SHOOTING FOR A NEW GOAL HERE.
UM, BUT ONCE AGAIN, I'M, I'M JUST DELIGHTED TO BE UP HERE TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT THESE AWARDS TO, UH, THE MEMBERS OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
ON JUNE 25TH, 2 20 23, UPPER PROVINCE TOWNSHIP, ENGINE 68 RESPONDED ALONG WITH MICU 65, WHICH IS THE TOWER HEALTH PARAMEDIC UNIT BASED OUT OF PHOENIXVILLE TO A CALL FOR SUBJECT, HAVING RESPIRATORY DIFFICULTY AT AN I SKATING WRINKLE AND PINCO ROUTE.
UM, YOU PROBABLY KNOW WHERE THAT IS.
ENGINE 68, ARRIVAL ON LOCATION BEGAN ASSESSMENT OF THE PATIENT WHO WAS SITTING AND TALKING AT THE TIME.
WITHIN MINUTES OF THEIR ARRIVAL, THE PATIENT HAS TO LIE DOWN AS A CREW FROM THE ENGINE OBSERVED THAT HIS CONDITION WAS WORSENING, AND THEN THE PATIENT WENT INTO CARDIAC ARREST.
IN OTHER WORDS, HIS HEART STOPPED BEATING.
AT THAT POINT, THE CREW IMMEDIATELY BEGAN C P R.
THEY APPLIED THE A E D, WHICH IS THE AUTOMATIC EXTERNAL DEFIBRILLATOR.
THE CREW ADMINISTERED ONE SHOCK FROM THE A E D.
THEY ALSO PLACED A LUCAS TOOL ON THE PATIENT, WHICH CONTINUALLY PERFORMED CHEST COMPRESSIONS AS THEY WERE, WHICH DOES THE C P R FORCE.
IT'S A, THAT WAY THE RESPONDERS CAN COMPLETE THE OTHER TASKS THAT ARE IMPORTANT AT THE TIME.
UM, THE CREW THEN RECHECKED THE PATIENT.
THEY CHECKED HIS HEART AND DETERMINED THAT HE HAD A HEARTBEAT.
UPON ARRIVAL OF THE AMBULANCE, THE PATIENT WAS AWAKE AND TALKING, UM, WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY REMARKABLE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO, UM, ONCE AGAIN BRING A PATIENT BACK TO LIFE.
UM, AND, AND COMPLETE BECAUSE OF THE CREW THAT WAS THERE, THE A E D, THE TOOLS THEY HAD, THE TRAINING THEY HAVE.
UM, THEY JUST DID EVERYTHING ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
AND WE HAVE, UM, A SURVIVOR AGAIN TODAY BECAUSE OF THAT.
IT IS MY PRIVILEGE TONIGHT TO PRESENT THE LIFESAVING AWARD TO FIREFIGHTER RYAN ELLI, FIREFIGHTER STEVE BOOGIE, FIREFIGHTER WILLIAM HEIN, AND FIREFIGHTER JARED WHEATS.
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I'LL GET THERE NOW.UM, ADDITIONALLY, A CARDIAC ARREST, A CARDIAC ARREST CALL REQUIRES A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TEAMWORK.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO FORMALLY RECOGNIZE THE OTHER FIRST RESPONDERS WHO WERE AT THE SCENE AND ASSISTED WITH THIS POSITIVE OUTCOME.
IF YOU, WHAT I, AND ASKED YOU, IF YOU'RE HERE, PLEASE COME UP FROM TOWER HEALTH PARAMEDIC, JASON DRINKWATER AND E M T, TOBY WEISS, UH, OFFICERS, JOHN NICOLINE AND OCTAVI BAKER FROM THE UPPER PROVIDENCE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND FROM BLACKROCK FIRE COMPANY CHIEF JIM DAYAL, BATTALION CHIEF T ACCUSED CAPTAIN CHRIS STEIGER AT FIREFIGHTER TOM BURR AND JOSEPH GREENWALD.
SO IT, IT TAKES A LOT OF PEOPLE AND TO, WHEN WE HAVE A CARDIAC ARREST OR A SERIOUS CALL TO MAKE A POSITIVE OUTCOME, AND WELL, THE LIFESAVING PART WAS THE FOUR FIREFIGHTERS THAT ARRIVED AT A LOCATION.
THE CARE CONTINUES UNTIL THEY GET TO THE HOSPITAL.
UH, AND THEN WE TRANSFER CARE OVER TO THE HOSPITAL.
AND EVERYBODY THAT YOU SEE STANDING UP HERE TODAY WAS, UH, PART OF THAT CREW THAT ALLOWED, UH, UM, OUR, OUR PATIENT TO SURVIVE.
SO, AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS YOUR CREW.
UM, OUR SURVIVOR JUSTIN SCAN IS HERE TONIGHT.
I THINK HE WANTS TO SAY A FEW WORDS.
I'LL KEEP IT REALLY SHORT AND SWEET.
UM, JUST LIKE CHIEF BRISTOL SAID, UH, I WENT INTO CARDIAC ARREST AND I DIED.
IF IT WASN'T FOR YOU GUYS, YOUR COMMITMENT TO DOING THIS JOB, YOUR TRAINING, AND YOUR FAST ACTION AND NOTICING THAT I WAS DONE, I WOULDN'T BE STANDING HERE TODAY.
SO, ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND MY FAMILY THAT I HAVE HERE TONIGHT, I'M ETERNALLY THANKFUL FOR YOU GUYS.
WE'RE GONNA JUST GIVE FOLKS, GO A MINUTE.
[PUBLIC COMMENT]
WE'LL CONTINUE ON WITH OUR AGENDA.NOW IS THE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT TO THE BOARD, PLEASE COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM.
STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR STREET ADDRESS.
PLEASE TRY TO KEEP YOUR REMARKS.
UM, THIS IS NOT A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD.
IF, UH, IN, IN SOME CASES WE MAY REFER YOU TO A MEMBER OF THE STAFF OR FOLLOW UP, OR WE MAY NOT.
BUT, UH, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TALK, YOU USE THEM WISELY.
UM, IF ANYONE WANTS TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME.
I'M BLAKE WELLING, 1 35 BENNINGTON ROAD.
THOSE CEREMONIES WERE AWESOME AND, UH, TOUGH ACTS TO FOLLOW HERE, BUT, UH, I'LL DO MY BEST.
UM, I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THE OPEN LAND AT PARKHOUSE.
AS YOU KNOW, I SPOKE LAST MONTH ENCOURAGING YOU ALL TO TAKE TIME TO CAREFULLY EVALUATE ALL POSSIBLE OPTIONS FOR THE PROPERTY, SUCH AS SEEKING TO PRESERVE THE PROPERTY UNDER GRANTS OR REFERENDUM.
WHY SHOULD YOU EXPLORE ALL POSSIBLE OPTIONS? BECAUSE YOU'VE HEARD FROM COUNTLESS CITIZENS WHO HAVE SHARED CONCERNS ABOUT THE
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IMPACTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY, SUCH AS TRAFFIC ENVIRONMENT, PUBLIC SAFETY, FLOODING, FLOODING, A CURRENT DAY ISSUE FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA EMERGENCY SERVICES INFRASTRUCTURE AND MORE.I'M GONNA PAUSE FOR A MINUTE AND DISCUSS THE ENVIRONMENT.
SO I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO VISUALIZE A MONARCH BUTTERFLY THIS SATURDAY.
THERE WILL BE A MONARCH BUTTERFLY RELEASE HERE IN UPPER PROVIDENCE AT THE UPPER CHUCO VALLEY PARK, WHICH AS YOU KNOW, IS ADJACENT TO PARKHOUSE.
WHERE CAN THOSE ENDANGERED BUTTERFLIES PAW TO FEED AT THEIR FAVORITE PLANT, AT LEAST FOR NOW.
AND ALL THE MILKWEED ON THE PARKHOUSE OPEN LAND BACK TO OUR REAL WORLD ISSUES.
I REMAIN CONCERNED ABOUT THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL THAT THE BOARD HAS DISCUSSED DURING EXECUTIVE SESSIONS, WHICH IS A 700 UNIT HIGH DENSITY CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT OF MULTIFAMILY AND TOWNHOUSE UNITS.
THINK OF ALL THE IMPACTS OF THOSE 700 UNITS.
NOW I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT OPTIONS.
SO I UNDERSTAND THE PROPERTY OWNER MAY BE INTERESTED IN SELLING A 60 ACRE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY TO THE TOWNSHIP.
SO I, I'D LIKE TO ASK SOME RHETORICAL QUESTIONS.
NOW, IS THIS THE ONLY OPTION THE BOARD IS EVALUATING? HAVE YOU DISCUSSED OTHER OPTIONS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER? I'LL DRAW OUT A COUPLE.
THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS CLOSE TIES TO OUR GOVERNOR, INCLUDING HAVING SERVED ON ONE OF THE GOVERNOR'S TRANSITION COMMITTEES AS THE TOWNSHIP CONSIDERED REACHING OUT TO THE PENNSYLVANIA D E P OR THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE TO SEE WHAT OTHER OPTIONS MAY EXIST.
MAYBE THERE'S AN OPTION THAT COULD BENEFIT BOTH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE TOWNSHIP AS THE BOARD OF THE TOWNSHIP, UH, CONSIDERED DISCUSSING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER WHETHER HE MAY BE PR MAY BE ABLE TO PURSUE TAX INCENTIVES THAT MAY BE PRESENT FOR DONATING PORTIONS OF THE LAND.
SO I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT'S PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN DO OFFICIALLY, RELATIVE TO OPTIONS DURING SOME OF THE BOARD MEETINGS, I HAVE OBSERVED DISMISSIVE REACTIONS NOT ON THE PART OF THE BOARD MEMBERS TO VARIOUS OPTIONS POSED BY THE CITIZENS SUCH AS A REFERENDUM TO PRESERVE OPEN LAND.
I, I HOPE THIS DISMISSIVE APPROACH IS NOT OCCURRING AT EXECUTIVE SESSIONS WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNER'S PROPOSAL IS BEING DISCUSSED.
WHY? BECAUSE A DISMISSIVE, CLOSED-MINDED APPROACH WILL NOT LEAD TO A FULL EXPLORATION OF OPTIONS.
I ALSO HOPE THAT FEAR OF LITIGATION IS NOT HOLDING YOU BACK.
PLEASE DON'T ACT ON FEAR AND EMOTIONS.
PLEASE ACT ON LOGIC AND WHAT IS BEST FOR THE CITIZENS OF THE TOWNSHIP.
IN SUMMARY, I TALKED ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY.
I TALKED ABOUT FULLY EXPLORING OPTIONS, AND I TALKED ABOUT THE MONARCH BUTTERFLY.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT? PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME.
UH, BILL FELTON, 1 33 OLD STATE ROAD.
UH, I DIDN'T PLAN TO SPEAK, BUT, UH, BLAKE KIND OF TRIGGERED A COUPLE THOUGHTS, UH, REGARDING, YOU KNOW, OPTIONS.
UM, I WAS AT THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING LAST WEEK AND THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND USE THROUGHOUT THE TOWNSHIP.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, MR. GRACE DID A GREAT JOB PRESENTING THE DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE TOWNSHIP AND WHERE GROWTH MIGHT HAPPEN AND OUR NEED FOR HOUSING FROM NOW THROUGH 2050.
AND SOME OF THE AREAS DISCUSSED WERE THE RIDGE, PIKE AND TOWNSHIP LINE AREA.
YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN UP THERE IN THE FUTURE? UH, OF COURSE, PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER WHERE STUFF IS HAPPENING AND, UH, DOWN IN OAKS AROUND THE, UM, UH, THE FORMER BF GOODRICH PLANT AND EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING DOWN THERE.
IS THAT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HOUSING? SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS WE CONSIDER THESE
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PLACES WHERE HOUSING MAYBE SHOULD BE PLACED, THAT WE CERTAINLY CONSIDER THAT THE PARKHOUSE PROPERTY IS NOT CLOSE TO ANY OF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE OR THIS, UH, PRESENT, UH, HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT.UM, AND ONE THING ALSO THAT SORT OF POPPED IN MY MIND IS, UM, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRADE SOME OTHER TRACKS OF LAND THAT SOME OTHER PROPERTY OWNER OR DEVELOPER OR EVEN THE TOWNSHIP MIGHT OWN IN EXCHANGE TO KEEP THAT AS OPEN SPACE? JUST SOME THOUGHTS THERE.
ANYONE ELSE WHO LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT, PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME.
UM, YOU'RE AT PLACES, I'M SORRY, YOU'RE AT PRECINCT.
I ALSO DID NOT PLAN ON COMING UP AND TALKING, BUT HAVING ATTENDING THESE MEETINGS, I BEGAN TO REALIZE HOW SIGNIFICANT PARKHOUSE ACTUALLY WAS, UH, TO OUR COMMUNITY.
AND I MEAN, THE FACT THAT IT 1801
I MEAN, THERE'S A LONG HISTORY THERE.
SO THE WHAT WHAT STRUCK ME MOST WAS THE FACT THAT THE DEVELOPER KNEW WHEN HE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY THAT IT WAS INSTITUTIONAL OPEN SPACE.
THAT TO ME, TELLS, TELLS EVERYTHING.
YOU KNOW, THAT IF IF IT, IF HE KNEW OR THEY KNOW AND THEY KNEW THAT IT WAS INSTITUTIONAL OPEN SPACE, UH, TO ME, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE BOUGHT IT
THEY, THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE HAVE.
AND, AND THEY DID NOT PRESENT ANY OPTION FOR USING IT AS INSTITUTIONAL, UM, OPEN SPACE.
SO WHY, WHY WOULD THEY NOT BUY A PIECE OF LAND KNOWING THAT THEY WERE FULLY KNOWING THAT THEY WERE GOING TO, TO DEVELOP IT? UM, SO THAT, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF THE CITIZENS WOULD ACCEPT THE FACT IF, IF, IF, IF, IF THE TOWNSHIP SOMEHOW, UM, ALLOWS DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR.
UH, I I, I DON'T THINK THE RESIDENTS WOULD BE VERY HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE.
WE'LL CONTINUE ON WITH OUR AGENDA.
I HAVE NO EXECUTIVE SESSIONS TO REPORT ON BETWEEN NOW AND OUR LAST REGULAR MEETING.
[APPROVAL OF BILL LIST]
NOW WE HAVE APPROVAL OF THE BILL LIST AND I KNOW MR. PETERMAN HAS SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THAT.YEAH, THE, THE BILL LIST IS, UH, ONE $9 MILLION.
IT'S DIVIDED AMONG 12, UH, FUNDS.
'CAUSE USUALLY OUR BILL IS JUST USUALLY THIS HIGH.
WE HAVE TWO, UH, ROAD PROJECTS, A AND B THAT WERE, UH, THAT WERE IN THIS, UM, BILL LIST.
WE ALSO HAD AN ESCROW RELEASE FOR HIGH POINT AND THE ESCROW FUND AND BILLS TO THE, OUR ANNUAL BILL, MONTHLY BILL TO THE LOWER PERMA VALLEY REGIONAL SEWER AUTHORITY AND SOME PUBLIC WORKS, UH, EQUIPMENT THAT WERE BUDGETED.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF THE CAPITAL ITEMS. THE GENERAL FUND WAS, UH, $586,000.
ALRIGHT, IF, UH, THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BILL LIST OF JULY 1ST, JULY 31ST, AND HE HAD A $1,989,344 AND 32 CENTS.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND TO APPROVE THE BILL LIST FOR THE PERIOD OF JULY ONE THROUGH JULY 31ST IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,989,344 AND 32 CENTS.
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ALRIGHT.[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
WE HAD IN OUR PACKET, WE HAD TWO SETS OF MINUTES, UM, ONE FROM OUR, UH, JULY REGULAR MEETING AND THE OTHER FROM OUR WORKSHOP, UH, MEETING OF THAT SAME WEEK WHEN WE, UH, TOOK A HIGH LEVEL LOOK AT, UH, FIRST HIGH LEVEL LOOK AT, UH, 2024 BUDGET.UM, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO, YOU CAN JUST DO 'EM BOTH IN THE SAME MOTION IF YOU'D LIKE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE JULY 17TH, 2023 FOR SUPERVISORS REGULAR MEETING MINUTES AND THE JULY 19TH, 2023 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WORKSHOP MINUTES.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE JULY 17TH BOARD OF SUPERVISORS REGULAR MEETING AND THE JULY 19TH, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WORKSHOP MINUTES.
[OLD BUSINESS (ACTION/DISCUSSION ITEMS)]
NOW ON TO THE OLD BUSINESS, UH, PORTION OF THE MEETING.UH, CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 27 WAIVING SEWER RENTS, PENALTIES, AND INTEREST FOR CERTAIN PROPERTIES AFFECTED BY HURRICANE IDA.
AND, UH, BRIAN, I KNOW YOU, YOU'VE BEEN, UH, LEADING THE CHARGE ON GETTING THAT SORTED OUT.
YOU WANT TO GIVE US A QUICK, UH, RUNDOWN ON IT? YEAH.
CONSISTENT WITH OUR CONVERSATION AT THE LAST BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING, UM, WE PREPARED THE RESOLUTION 20 23 27, UM, THAT EFFECTIVELY WAIVES OR REFUNDS SEWER RENTS PAID BY RESIDENTS WHO, UM, WERE AFFECTED BY IDA ARE IN THE BUYOUT PROGRAM AND REMAIN IN THE BUYOUT PROGRAM, WILL ULTIMATELY SELL THEIR HOMES TO THE TOWNSHIP, UM, USING FEMA DOLLARS.
UM, THEY ALSO HAVE TO CONSENT TO ALLOWING THE TOWNSHIP AND TO INSPECT THE HOUSE TO ENSURE THAT IT'S BEEN UNOCCUPIED SINCE SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2021.
SEEMS LIKE A LONG TIME AGO AT THIS POINT.
UM, UM, AND WE WOULD, THAT TRANSACTION WOULD BE AFFECTED THE DAY THAT WE GO TO SETTLEMENT WITH THE RESIDENTS.
SO, UM, THE AMOUNT OF REFUND OR OR SEWER RENT BEING WAIVED WOULD VARY BASED ON HOW MANY MONTHS HAVE ELAPSED.
UM, ROUGHLY, I FEEL THERE'S ABOUT 30 HOMES THAT WOULD QUALIFY UNDER THE RESOLUTION.
UM, AND WE WOULD NOT REALIZE REVENUES TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT $22,300 IF THAT WERE THE CASE.
UH, UNRELATED TO THIS, JUST LET ME ASK, WHEN, WHEN DO WE THINK WE'RE GONNA START CLOSING WITH THESE FOLKS? UH, DOWN THERE, I, I'VE EXECUTED GRANT AGREEMENTS WITH THREE OF THE FIVE APPLICATIONS THAT WE HAVE WITH FEMA.
I EXPECT THE OTHER TWO SHORTLY.
UM, AND I THINK THAT WE'LL BE CLOSING AROUND THE END OF THE YEAR.
AND ARE WE KEEPING ALL THOSE FOLKS UPDATED DOWN THERE ON, UM, SUSAN HAS TO TELL YOU'S BEEN COMMUNICATING REGULARLY WITH FOLKS? YES.
SO THE END OF THE YEAR BEFORE THEY GET BOUGHT OUT AND THEIR MONEY FOR THEIR HOMES AND THEY CAN MOVE ON DECEMBER YES.
AND THEN TURNS OVER TO US AND THEN WE HAVE TO DEMOLISH THE PROPERTIES AND ALL THOSE STEPS WE'RE YEAH.
WE'RE OBLIGATED TO DEMOLISH THE PROPERTY WITHIN 90 DAYS OF GOING TO SETTLEMENT.
UM, AND THEN IT'S TO BE MAINTAINED PERPETUALLY AS OPEN SPACE BY THE TOWNSHIP.
IS IT JUST 30? HOW MANY HOMES ARE STILL IN THE PROGRAM? ABOUT 40 IN TOTAL.
SOME ARE STILL OCCUPIED THOUGH.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE MADE REPAIRS, HAVE MOVED BACK IN.
HAVE, HAVE WE MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT FEMA IS THROWN AT US? YES.
AND HERE I THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD BE DONE WITH THIS BY SEPTEMBER 1ST, BUT NO, WE STILL GOTTA WAIT UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR.
THEN I FEEL REALLY, REALLY SORRY FOR PEOPLE ON M WAY.
THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE HOUSES AND THEY'RE GONNA BE OUT FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
SO I, I KNOW THIS IS A DUMB QUESTION.
WHO DO WE YELL AT FOR THIS? IS THERE A LETTER OR SOMETHING WE CAN SEND OUT TO FEMA OR WHOEVER IT IS AND SAY, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN UNREASONABLE ABOUT THIS? WAIT.
OR SHOULD WE JUST LEAVE IT ALONE?
YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE SPOKEN WITH SUSAN ELLI WHO'S OFFERED REALLY GOOD GUIDANCE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS.
UM, AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, I I, I DON'T WANT TO STRIKE TOO SHARPENED NERVE AND ANGER SOMEONE THAT DELAYS THIS ON BEHALF OF ANYONE WHO'S IN THE BUYOUT PROGRAM.
UM, BUT, AND THOSE FOLKS HAVE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR FROM STAFF THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S UNACCEPTABLE THAT IT'S GONE ON, YOU KNOW, NEARLY 24 MONTHS AT THIS POINT.
UM, THE ONLY HOUSE THAT WE'VE SETTLED ON WAS A, A, A HOME THAT WE SUBMITTED A GRANT APPLICATION FOR BACK IN JANUARY OF 2020.
AND WE JUST SETTLED ON THAT PROPERTY THREE MONTHS AGO.
UH, IT IS JUST A GRUELING, BUREAUCRATIC PROCESS
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TO GET THROUGH.IS THIS ALWAYS HOW IT IS FOR LARGE SCALE, UM, BUYOUTS? OR IS THIS UNUSUAL? I JUST WONDER.
SUSAN HAS HAD ALWAYS SAID, YOU KNOW, EXPECT 18, YOU KNOW, 12 TO 18 MONTHS.
SO IT SEEMS LONGER THAN WHAT YEAH.
AND I DON'T THINK MAUI HELPS AND FEMA BEING DEPLOYED TO, UH, TO SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA HELPS IT.
IT JUST TIES UP THE LIMITED RESOURCES THAT THEY HAVE AVAILABLE TO THEM.
WELL, THERE WAS A, AN ARTICLE OR, OR FACE THE NATION ON SUNDAY THERE.
THEY HAD THE LADY FROM IN CHARGE OF FEMA THERE.
AND IT'S FUNNY, THEY WERE ASKING HER QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER SHE HAD ENOUGH MONEY FUNDED TILL THE END OF THIS YEAR.
SHE SAID IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY FUNDED TILL THE END OF THIS YEAR, THEY WOULD DIG INTO NEXT YEAR'S FUNDING TO HELP TO PAY FOR THAT.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY TELLING OF, UH, WHAT'S GOING ON IN FEMA.
SO JUST A, JUST A HEADS UP TO THE BOARD.
SO YOU SAY THAT IT'S REALLY GOING ON IN CAPITOL HILL.
WELL, MAYBE WE SHOULD SEND CAPITOL HILL A NASTY LETTER THEN.
WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF NATURAL DISASTERS IN THE COUNTRY AND, UH, HURRICANE SEASONS JUST STARTING UP.
SO SOME PRAYERS, GUYS, IT'S GONNA GET WORSE.
I'M SORRY, WE TOOK A LITTLE TRIP THERE.
UM, THE MOTION ON THE CIVILANCE, I, I'LL, UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 27 WAIVING SEWER RENTS, PENALTIES, AND INTEREST FOR CERTAIN PROPERTIES AFFECTED BY HURRICANE IDA.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 27 WAIVING SEWER RENTS, PENALTIES, AND INTEREST FOR CERTAIN PROPERTIES AFFECTED BY HURRICANE IDA.
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BUSINESS, UM, CONSIDER SELECTING A FIRM FOR PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR THE DOE RUN BOULEVARD IN SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD SPAN WIRE TRAFFIC SIGNAL REPLACEMENT PROJECT.I BELIEVE THAT'S A FULLY GRANT FUNDED REPLACEMENT.
THAT WAS A GREEN LIGHT GO GRANT.
AND, UH, WHO DID WE USE ON THE JACOB JACOB STREET REALIGNMENT FOR, UM, THE JACOBS AND WALL STREET LINE? WE USED, UM, TRAFFIC PLANNING AND DESIGN.
I, I HAVE NO NAME HERE ON MY AGENDA.
SO, UM, THERE WAS A LIST OF ABOUT FIVE OF 'EM YOU SAID OUT SUMMARY.
YEAH, THERE WERE, IN TOTAL THERE WERE FIVE FIRMS THAT SUBMITTED A STATEMENT OF INTEREST AND IT WAS REALLY JUST TIMEFRAME IS THE ONLY THING, REALLY THE ONLY VARIABLE THAT'S RATED.
UM, WE'RE JUST LETTING OUT THE DESIGN WORK HERE.
THIS IT'S DESIGN AND INSPECTION WORK ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
UM, IF ANY, UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE HAS ANOTHER FIRM THEYD LIKE TO RECOMMEND, I I WOULD SAY WE CAN GO WITH T P D.
THEY DID A GOOD JOB DOWN IN, UH, FORT PROVIDENCE.
CAN YOU PULL UP THE, THE TIMELINE? T WERE THEY EVEN ONE OF THE WE DON'T HAVE IT.
THERE WAS SOME FASTER ONES I THOUGHT WERE ON THERE.
UH, ONE WE HAVE ENGINEERING ESTIMATED 80 WEEKS.
UM, YEAH, WHICH WAS, THAT WAS THE LONGEST ONE.
UM, MCMAHON DID NOT PROVIDE A, A EARLY MAY OF 25 OF 25.
SO YEAR, MOST OF 'EM ARE SAYING 11 TO 12 MONTHS.
PONE WAS, UH, JULY OF 25 AND T P D TRAFFIC PLANNING AND DESIGN IS MAY OF 25.
AND WHAT'S THE DISRUPTION TO THE ROAD WHILE THIS IS HAPPENING? UH, THERE WOULD, THERE WOULD BE NONE.
THE ROAD WILL BE CLOSED, TAKEN DOWN.
THEY'LL, THEY'LL LEAVE ONE UP WHILE THEY DO THE OTHER ONE.
THOSE DATES ARE COMPLETION DATES FOR THE PROJECT RIGHT AFTER? CORRECT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WASN'T
I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO DECIDE ON WHO TO USE.
I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE MUCH INFORMATION TO GO OFF OF OTHER THAN DATES.
BUT JACOB STREET WAS REROUTING A ROAD.
THIS IS TRAFFIC LIGHTS, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT PROJECT DID INVOLVE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS THE, UH, HAS ANYONE ELSE DONE MAJOR TRAFFIC LIGHT REPLACEMENT OF THAT LIST? IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
WE HAVE UHM WE HAVE MCMAHON ON STAFF HERE THAT DOES IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'D RECOMMEND THAT MCMAHON DOES IT.
I MEAN, IT, IT'S FULLY FUNDED.
WHY NOT PICK SOMEONE WE TRUST, WE KNOW WE RESPECT AND, AND HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH.
IF SOMETHING HAS TO GO SIDEWAYS, WE CAN WORK WITH THEM EASIER.
I MEAN, I, THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE, SO BE IT.
I I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS AND I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
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A MOTION TO PROPOSE MCMAHON TO DO THE, WHAT, WHAT IS IT? THE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR THE RUN BOULEVARD IN SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD SPAN WIRE TRAFFIC SIGNAL REPLACEMENT PROJECT.ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO SELECT MCMAHON TRAFFIC SERVICES FOR, FOR PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR THE DO RUN BOULEVARD IN SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD SPAN WIRE TRAFFIC SIGNAL REPLACEMENT PROJECT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE A AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ON THAT.
I WANNA GO BACK TO FOR A MINUTE.
WHO DETERMINES THE PARAMETERS OF THESE BIDS THAT RYAN, LIKE WHY NO COST ASSOCIATED? WHY COST PER SOME NOT THIS? IT'S HARD TO MAKE A DECISION LIKE CRAP SHEET.
THAT, THAT WAS, UM, ONE OF THE STRINGS THAT CAME ATTACHED WITH THE GRANT.
THE GRANT THAT WE APPLIED FOR, I THINK IT WAS, UM, THIS ONE WAS GREENLAKE GO.
THE NAME OF THE OTHER ONE, UH, MULTIMODAL PENNOCK MULTIMODAL WAS THE JACOB STREET ALIGNMENT PROJECT.
DIFFERENT GRANTS HAVE DIFFERENT CRITERIA.
UM, THE JACOB STREET ONE HAPPENED TO HAVE A, YOU HAD TO SET UP A MATRIX AND, AND RANK ALL THE, UM, SUBMITTALS BASED ON THE SEVEN CRITERIA THAT PENNOCK PROVIDED.
THIS ONE THAT WE'RE DOING PRESENTLY WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN THAT IT ONLY ONLY, UH, HAD TO SOLICIT FOR A STATEMENT OF INTEREST, BUT THEN WE COULDN'T LAYER IN OUR OWN REQUIREMENTS.
I, I SUPPOSE WE WOULD MAKE IT AS COMPLEX AS WE AS THE BOARD BECAUSE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN, WOULD THINGS LAYER THAT IN? IS OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, ONE OTHER POINT, UM, WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH MCMANN ON THIS, COULD WE DO IT BY ESTIMATE RATHER THAN HOURLY RATE? WE COULD HAVE DONE THIS ONE THAT WAY WE COULD DO FUTURE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WAY AS WELL.
IF THAT'S SOMETHING THE BOARDS TEAM DECLINE BECAUSE HAVE A CAPITAL WHAT THE COST IS GONNA BE.
YEAH, WE'D HAVE TO PICK THE THRESHOLD NUMBER.
WE COULD PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT TOGETHER FOR NEXT YEAR MAYBE.
MAY I, MAY I JUST ADD SOMETHING? MM-HMM.
UM, SECOND OF ALL, UH, THE COST, UH, FOR THE DESIGN WAS ALL BAKED INTO THE GRANT THAT YOU GOT.
SO WHEN THAT WAS PREPARED, ALL THE COST TESTIMATE FOR THE DESIGN AS WELL AS THE CONSTRUCTION IS ALL PART OF THE FINAL GRANT THAT THE TOWNSHIP RECEIVED.
SO THAT WAS IN THE APPLICATION ITSELF.
SO NO ONE CAN DEVIATE FROM THAT COST THAT THAT'S THE COST.
WELL, THEY COULD DEVIATE IF SOMEBODY CAME BACK AND SAID, WELL, IT'S GONNA COST YOU A LOT MORE TO DESIGN THIS.
UM, BUT THE, THE COST THAT'S IN THERE WAS THE COST THAT WAS ACCEPTED BY THE STATE FOR THE COST.
THEN THEY LOOK AT THE COST ESTIMATE AND IF THEY THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE LESS, THEY WOULD'VE GIVEN YOU A GRANT FOR LESS IF THEY THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE MORE, THEY MIGHT'VE GIVEN YOU WHAT THE GRANT WAS AND THEN SAID, WELL, ANYTHING OVER THAT THE TOWNSHIP WOULD'VE TO CALL TO, YOU KNOW, TO PAY OUT OF POCKET.
UM, AND SO WE WERE HAPPY TO HAVE BEEN PART OF PUTTING THAT GRANT TOGETHER FOR THE TOWNSHIP.
SO OUR COST ISN'T BAKED INTO THE COST.
THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE.
YOU AGREE? PLUS, PLUS I THINK CASEY SAID HE WAS GONNA WAIVE HIS FEE
IS THAT WHAT YOU LIKE US TO DO? I WAS KIDDING.
ALRIGHT, LET'S MOVE ALONG TO ITEM, UH, NUMBER EIGHT.
CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 33 AUTHORIZING A 2023 CAPITAL AND OPERATING BUDGET TRANSFER AND AWARDING THE BID FOR THE BLACKROCK WEST RESTROOM PROJECT TO MJ CONTRACTING, INCORPORATED A POTSTOWN PA IN THE AMOUNT OF 392,500 $372,000, UH, UH, THOUSAND DOLLARS $540 AND 54 CENTS AS THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE.
UM, THIS IS, THIS IS LOWER THAN WE ORIGINALLY PREDICTED FOR THIS PROJECT.
YEAH, WE HAVE LIKE DID WE GET THE CONSENT BRIAN? WE WE DO NOT HAVE IT YET.
UH, THERE'S A, THE, MY RECOMMENDATION WAS TO AWARD IT TO THEM AS A LITTLE BETTER CONTINGENT ON THEM PROVIDING, UH, ONE OF THE BIDDING DOCUMENTS WITHIN 10 DAYS.
THERE'S A DOCUMENT CALLED CONSENT OF SURETY TO THE BID BOND.
AND, UH, WE NEED TO GET THAT, IT'S OKAY.
WE'RE NOT WAIVING THAT REQUIREMENT, BUT THEY DO HAVE TO GET IT TO US WITHIN 10 DAYS OR THE, OR THIS, THE AWARD WOULD BE VOID.
WE, UH, ACTUALLY IN THE, UH, RECOMMENDED MOTION HERE, WE ASK FOR CONDITION THAT THE CONTRACTOR PROVIDE
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THE CONSENT OF SURE.HOW MUCH LESS WAS IT THAN WHAT YOU THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE? CONSIDERABLY.
IT ALWAYS WORRIES ME THOUGH, WHEN YOU SEE A DEVIATION THIS BIG BETWEEN TWO BIDS THAT, THAT ARE LIKE, HOW DO WE KNOW MJ ISN'T GONNA GET, IS THAT PART OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THIS CONSENT? THIS THING AND IT'S GONNA COST WHEN YOU HAVE A, WHEN YOU HAVE A, WHEN YOU HAVE A DISPARITY, THE SURETY HAS THE SAME CONCERN THAT ANYBODY ELSE DOES LOOKING AT TWO DISPARATE NUMBERS.
AND SO THEY JUST HAVE TO ASSURE THEMSELVES THAT THE NUMBER IS VALID.
UM, I SPOKE TO, UM, MIKE COIN TODAY AND I THINK THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD COMFORT LEVEL THAT THEY'RE GONNA COME THROUGH WITH THIS CONSENT AS SURETY WITHIN 10 DAYS.
IT'S MORE OF A PAPERWORK THING THAT THE SURETY HAS TO SATISFY THEMSELVES AND GO THROUGH A CHECKLIST BECAUSE THEY ALSO SAW TWO SPARE NUMBERS.
AND IF THEY DON'T, I MEAN, WE'LL GO BACK NEXT MONTH AGENDA.
I, I ALSO HAD A CONVERSATION WITH TOM BEL ABOUT THIS AND HE WAS VERY COMFORTABLE TOO, UH, WITH, WITH MJ BECAUSE, UH, HE'S DONE OTHER WORK IN THE TOWNSHIP FOR US.
AND IF TOM SAYS HE LIKES THIS GUY, THEN I GOTTA GO WITH TOM'S RECOMMENDATION ON THIS.
I TRUST TOM IF HE FEELS GOOD ABOUT IT.
IT WON'T GO TO THE, IT WON'T GO TO THE OTHER BIDDER ON THIS PAGE, RIGHT? I GO READ THAT.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 33 AUTHORIZING IN 2023 CAPITAL AND OPERATING BUDGET TRANSFER AND AWARDING A BID FOR THE BLACKROCK WEST RESTROOM PROJECT MJ CONTRACTING CONTRACTING INCORPORATION A POT STEM PA IN THE AMOUNT OF $375,540 AND 54 CENTS AS THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE BIDDER WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE CONTRACTOR PROVIDE THE CONSENT OF SURETY ON OR BEFORE SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2023.
I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 33 AUTHORIZING A 2023 CAPITAL AND OPERATING BUDGET TRANSFER AND AWARDING THE BID FOR THE BLACKROCK WEST RESTROOM PROJECT TO MJ CONTRACTING INCORPORATED OF POTSTOWN PA IN THE AMOUNT OF $372,000 THOUSAND $540 AND 54 CENTS AS LOW AS RESPONSIBLE BIDDER WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE CONTRACTOR WILL PROVIDE THE CONSENT AS SURETY ON OR BEFORE SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2023.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND WE'LL TRY TO DO BETTER WITH THE NUMBERS TONIGHT, REALLY, THAT THE NUMBERS ARE NOT FLOWING
UM, CONSIDER, UH, ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 28 REGARDING THE THIRD.
ALL THESE NEXT THREE ITEMS, AND MAYBE WE'LL JUST LET TIM TALK ABOUT IT ALL AT ONCE HERE, ALL RELATE TO OUR RECENT, UH, LABOR NEGOTIATIONS WITH BOTH THE POLICE AND THE FIRE UNIONS.
AND, UH, SOME THINGS WE HAVE TO DO TO RESTATE REJIGGER THE, THE, UH, THEIR, UH, UH, THIS IS RETIREMENT.
THIS, THIS ISN'T A, REGARDING THE POLICE ARE DEFINED, UH, BENEFIT PLANS, BUT THESE ARE ALL DEFINED, UH, CONTRIBUTION PLANS.
TWO OF THEM ARE QUALIFIED DEFINED CONTRIBUTION PLANS FOR FIRE AND THE NON-UNION.
AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THE, THE GOVERNMENT A, A FEW YEARS AGO PASSED AN ACT SECURE ACT TWO OH, WHICH PROVIDED SOME ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITIES IN AS FAR AS I R S, UM, PROTECTIONS AND MORE FLEXIBILITY ON WHAT, UM, PEOPLE CAN DO WITH, WITH THEIR, UM, CONTRIBUTIONS AND IN TERMS LIKE ROTH CON ROTH CONVERSIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
UH, THIS BASICALLY, UM, BRINGS IT INTO FULL COMPLIANCE WITH I R S REGS AND ALSO, UM, UM, GIVES, UH, AFFORDS FULL, UM, FLEXIBILITY AS FAR AS RETIREMENT PLANNING 4 57.
THE 4 57 IS NOT A DEFINED, IS NOT A QUALIFIED DEFINED CONTRIBUTION, BUT IT'S A DEFERRED COMPENSATION PLAN THAT EMPLOYEES CAN CONTRIBUTE VOLUNTARILY INTO THE PLAN.
AND, UH, THESE, UH, CHANGES IN THE 4 57 ARE IDENTICAL TO THE CHANGES IN THE, UH, 4 4 0 1 QUALIFIED PLANS FOR FIRE AND NON-UNION.
WE HAVE A LOT OF PENSION PLANS, BUT, UH, THIS PERTAINS TO JUST OUR DEFINED CONTRIBUTION PLANS.
AND YOU PROBABLY FOR, PROBABLY SHOULD TAKE THESE AS SEPARATE ACTIONS BECAUSE SURE.
TWO SEPARATE RESOLUTIONS FOR NINE AND 10, AND THEN THE 4 57
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CAN BE DONE BY SIMPLE MOTION.UM, WE'LL START WITH NUMBER NINE.
UH, THERE'S JUST NO QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 28 REGARDING THE THIRD AMENDMENT TO THE TOWNSHIP'S FIRST PENSION PLAN.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 28 REGARDING THE THIRD AMENDMENT TO THE TOWNSHIP'S FIRE PENSION PLAN.
AND NOW ITEM 10, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THAT.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 29 REGARDING THE THIRD AMENDMENT TO THE TOWNSHIP'S NON-UNIFORM
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 29 REGARDING THE THIRD AMENDMENT TO THE TOWNSHIP'S NON-UNIFORM PENSION PLAN.
AND NOW THE LAST ONE, SHORT ONE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE REINSTATE RESTATEMENT OF THE TOWNSHIP'S 4 5 7 B PLAN.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO AUTHORIZE THE RESTATEMENT OF THE TOWNSHIP'S 4 57 B PLAN.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
AND, UH, HAZARD MITIGATION, UH, EVERY FIVE YEARS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STAFFORD ACT, UM, THAT THE COUNTY HAS TO COME UP WITH THE, UM, THE COUNTY PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT HAS TO COME UP WITH A HAZARD MEDICATION PLAN.
UH, IT'S, IT'S PUT OUT TO ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES FOR INPUT.
BOTH, UH, DAN SCHAFER AND I HAVE BOTH MADE MINOR, UH, SUGGESTIONS TO IT.
UM, NONE OF WHICH ADVERSELY AFFECT US IN ANY WAY.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT HAZARDS THAT THEY GO OVER AND WHAT THEY'RE ALL ABOUT.
UM, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING ABOUT THIS IS, UH, IF WE WANT FEDERAL FUNDING, WE HAVE TO ADOPT THIS PLAN.
UM, SO I CAN GO OVER ALL THE HAZARDS IF YOU WANT, BUT IF WE WANT MONEY, WE HAVE TO DOUBT THE PLAN.
DO WE CONSIDER OUR RIVER AND OUR CREEK, UH, HAZARDS? YES.
FLOODING IS, FLOODING IS PART OF IT.
UM, DAM LEVEE FAILURES, TERRORISM, EARTHQUAKES, UH, WINTER STORMS ARE PART OF IT.
TRANSPORTATION, ACCIDENTS, FIRES, UM, DROUGHT, EXTREME TEMPERATURES.
IT KIND OF COVERS EVERY HAZARD THAT YOU CAN THINK OF.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S A PLAN THAT THE COUNTY COMES UP WITH THAT THEY PUT IN PLACE AS TO HOW THAT WE, AND THEY WILL DEAL WITH IT IF IT OCCURS.
IT'S, IT'S, UM, NOTHING REALLY SPECTACULAR, MORE THAN WHAT WE DO EVERY DAY, JUST ON A, ON A BIGGER BASIS.
ALRIGHT, SO, SO MIKE, THAT WAS EVERYBODY.
ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY ARE GOING TO YES.
SO, AND THAT'S FINE WITH ME AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
I WANT YOU GUYS TO KNOW I READ EVERY PAGE ON THIS THING.
I'LL ASK, BUT I I I WANT TO ASK YOU SOMETHING MORE SPECIFIC.
HOW DO, DO WE HAVE A PLAN PERSONALLY FOR IN OUR MUNICIPALITY, LIKE THE FLOODING IN MONTCLAIR AND PORT PROVINCE? DO WE HAVE A PARTICULAR PLAN FOR THAT OR DO WE, OR DO WE HAVE TO RELY ON THE PLAN THAT'S SENT DOWN FROM THE COUNTY? IT'S, IT IS A COMBINATION OF BOTH.
SO THE COUNTY REALLY DOESN'T HAVE THE JURISDICTION OVER ANY OF THE EMERGENCIES THAT HAPPEN UNLESS YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE OR TWO MUNICIPALITIES THAT, OR I'M SORRY, UNLESS YOU HAVE TWO OR MORE MUNICIPALITIES THAT BECOME INVOLVED.
AND THEN THE COUNTY HAS THE OPTION OF TAKING OVER IF THEY WANT.
UH, HISTORICALLY THEY DON'T, THEY LEAVE IT TO THE MUNICIPALITY.
SO THE WAY THAT THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ACT IS WRITTEN, IS IT, IT, LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE COMMONWEALTH FLOWS TO THE LOWEST LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT AND THAT'S WHERE IT IS.
UM, WE, WE'VE BEEN MODIFYING AND CONTINUE TO BUILD ON THE PLAN.
UM, IT, IT HAS BECOME MUCH BETTER SINCE WE'VE PUT DAN IN PLACE BECAUSE THERE'S SOMEONE THAT HAS THE TIME TO, TO ACTUALLY, UH, COMMIT TO, TO DOING THAT.
UM, SOME OF IT FOLLOWS THIS AND SOME OF IT IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON INDIVIDUALLY.
UH, THERE'S MORE SPECIFICS THAT WE CAN DO FROM A MUNICIPALITY THAN THE COUNTY CAN, SUCH AS, UH, INDIVIDUAL IDENTIFICATION OF ALL THE HOUSES THAT ARE DOWN THERE.
I MEAN, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO US IF THEY PUT THEIR NUMBERS ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE HOUSE, BECAUSE THEN WHEN WE COME DOWN IN A BOAT, WE CAN ACTUALLY KNOW WHICH HOUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE'RE WORKING ON TAKING THE PLANS THAT JEFF AND AND BRIAN HAD DEVELOPED PRIOR TO THIS THAT HAVE ALL THE HOUSES ON 'EM AND MARKING THE NUMBERS ON 'EM SO WE CAN HAVE IT AT WHEREVER OUR COMMAND POST IS.
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CAN LOOK AND SAY, LOOK, WE NEED YOU TO GO DOWN TO THE FOURTH HOUSE ON THE LEFT.THAT'S NOT IN THE COUNTY'S PLAN, BUT THAT WILL BE IN OUR PLAN.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE DIFFERENT STEPS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE, UH, OR THAT WE'RE WORKING ON TAKING.
UH, IT IS JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE THAT TAKES TIME TO GET THEM UP AND RUNNING.
SO, UM, DAN HAS BEEN PRIORITIZED, UH, BY ME TO, TO WHAT WE BELIEVED WERE THE GREATEST RISKS THAT WE NEEDED TO IDENTIFY.
THIS WAS CERTAINLY ONE OF THEM.
UH, WE HAVE THE LIMERICK GENERATING STATION DRILL COMING UP THE EVERY AND THE, EVERY OTHER YEAR COMING UP IN SEPTEMBER.
SO A LOT OF FOCUS IS RIGHT NOW GOING TOWARDS THAT.
UM, BUT HE, AT THE SAME TIME IS WORKING ON SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS.
BUT FLOODING, FLOODING DOWN IN THAT AREA WAS ONE OF HIS TOP PRIORITIES THAT WE ASKED HIM TO, TO IDENTIFY AND START WITH RIGHT AWAY.
SO, SO THIS LIMERICK PLAN THAT'S COMING UP, I REMEMBER I HAVE, I HAVEN'T BEEN TO ONE IN A WHILE, I'VE BEEN TO A FEW OF THEM IN THE PAST.
ARE YOU GONNA REQUIRE US TO COME TO THESE THINGS AGAIN? I, I, I THINK REQUIRED NO, WELCOME.
YOU CERTAINLY, I THINK, UH, THE WERE COUPLE THAT CAME TWO YEARS AGO WHEN WE DID IT.
UM, SAME THING, DIFFERENT DAY.
WE, WE, WE KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AND WE KNOW WHERE IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF CONVENIENT WHEN IT COMES TO A DISASTER.
UM, AND THEY, THEY HAVE BENCHMARKS THAT THE NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION AND PMA AND FEMA REQUIRE US AND THE COUNTY AND THE STATE TO MEET.
SO L G S THE STATE US, WE'RE ALL BEING TESTED AT THE SAME TIME.
AND THEY'LL BE EVALUATORS THAT WILL BE IN THE ROOM TO WATCH AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING ALL OF OUR CHECK MARKS.
UM, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT.
IT STARTS AT FOUR O'CLOCK, IT'LL PROBABLY BE DONE BY NINE OR 10.
AND THEY'LL THROW DIFFERENT HAZARDS OR DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT OCCURRED TO US, AND IT'LL BE UP TO US TO DECIDE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH POLICE OFFICERS TO DIRECT TRAFFIC AT THIS INTERSECTION.
HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT? WHAT DO WE DO? WHERE'S OUR RESOURCES COME FROM? AND, AND THEY'RE THE, THEY'RE THE CHALLENGES THAT THEY'VE BUILT INTO US.
UM, WE USE THE LIMERICK DRILL AS A, AS, AS MUCH OF, UM, MEETING THE OBJECTIVES FOR THEIR DRILL AS IT IS TO TRAIN OUR PEOPLE TO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WHEN WE NEED THEM FOR AN EVENT THAT OCCURS IN UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP.
SO I LOOK AT THE, THE LIMERICK DRILL AS THE BEST TRAINING THAT IS PROVIDED, BUILT BY SOMEBODY ELSE THAT WE CAN PRACTICE ON.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE BENEFIT OF US DOING THIS.
UM, IT REALLY DOES GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT IN ALL THE DIFFERENT STEPS THAT WE REQUIRE AND SOMEONE'S BUILDING THOSE CHALLENGES IN FOR US.
SO, UH, WE CAN, WE CAN APPLY THEM TO ANY DISASTER BECAUSE THE, THE PROCEDURE IS THE SAME.
IT ALL WORKS FOR THE NIMS FRAMEWORK.
AND AS LONG AS OUR PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HOW TO WORK THE NIMS FRAMEWORK, IT WORKS THE SAME REGARDLESS OF WHAT DISASTER WE'RE DEALING WITH.
SO I'M GONNA ASK YOU ONE MORE QUESTION SURE.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER IT.
DO YOU REALLY THINK WE'RE ALL GONNA GET OUTTA HERE IN TIME? SO I'M GLAD YOU GAVE YOU THE FIRST OPTION.
UM, BUT WE DO USE IT AS A GOOD PRACTICE FOR OUR
UM, YEAH, I, I, UM, JOHN, YOU AND I OBSERVED IT, UH, TWO YEARS AGO.
I WOULD RECOMMEND EVERYBODY AT LEAST STOP IN FOR A COUPLE HOURS.
AND IT DOES, IT, IT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A PRACTICE FOR A SPECIFIC EVENT AT THE GENERATING STATION, WE LEARNED THINGS FROM IT THAT WE APPLIED LATER.
AND I JUST A FEW MONTHS AFTER THAT DRILL, SO YEAH.
IT, IT'S WELL WORTH, UH, YOUR TIME TO, TO COME AND AT LEAST WATCH SOME OF IT STILL.
DO WE STILL USE THE HAM OPERATORS, MIKE? YES WE DO.
NOW THEY'VE BEEN IN, THEY'VE BEEN IN THE NEW STATION, THEY'VE LOOKED OVER THE FACILITIES.
THEY'VE, THEY'VE GOT ALL PLANNED OUT.
UM, IT'S OUR, THAT'S A NECESSITY.
THAT'S A NECESSITY, ISN'T IT? IT'S A FAIL SAFETY.
WE NEED A FAIL SAFE COMMUNICATION.
THE DRILL IS ON SEPTEMBER 26TH.
I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADOPT THE, THE COUNTY'S HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN.
SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 30, ADOPT THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY 2022 HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 30 ADOPTING THE MONTGOMERY, THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY 2022 HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN.
AND UH, OUR NEXT ITEM IS TO, UH, TO PASS A RESOLUTION TO A, THE TOWNSHIP'S FEE SCHEDULE.
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THERE A PARTICULAR FEE THAT WE WERE WANTING? NO, THIS IS BASICALLY CODIFYING, UH, THE, IF YOU RECALL AT THE LAST MEETING, PORTING OFF HERE.AND WE ESTABLISHED A NEW ORDINANCE TO ALLOW THEM TO BE A TAX COLLECTOR FOR SEWER LIENS AND OUR REAL ESTATE.
SO THIS JUST CODIFIES WHAT IS
UM, UH, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 31 AFFIRMING THE TOWNSHIP'S FEE SCHEDULE.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 31 AFFIRMING THE TOWNSHIP FEE SCHEDULE.
AND NEXT, CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF A TRAIL MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT FOR A SECTION OF THE PERMAN TRAIL THAT RUNS ALONG UPPER INDIAN HEAD ROAD.
IS THIS, UH, IS THIS AGREEMENT, THIS MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH SS E I OR WITH THE COUNTY? IT IS BETWEEN THE TOWNSHIP AND THE COUNTY.
S E I IS CONSTRUCTING THE TRAIL AS PER, UM, AN AN OBLIGATION THEY AGREED TO WHEN THEY WERE IN FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT TO BUILD THE BUILDING THAT THEY BUILT IN 2000.
UM, AND THIS WILL REMOVE WHAT IS NOW AN ON-ROAD SECTION OF TRAIL AND PROVIDE IT OFF ROAD WHERE THERE'S A DOG LEG IN THE PERMAN TRAIL BETWEEN THE RAILROAD BED AND LOWER INDIAN HEAD ROAD.
SO WHEN, WHEN ARE THEY GONNA BEGIN THAT CONSTRUCTION OF THAT KID PORTION OF THE TRAIL? YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY THEY'VE, UH, JEN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THEY JUST FINALLY WORKED THROUGH ALL THE DETAILS ON THEIR PLANS.
SO THEY'RE HOPING THAT PRE-CONSTRUCTION WITH THE TOWNSHIP IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO AND THEN RIGHT AFTER LABOR DAY, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA COME BEFORE THE BOARD RELATED TO THAT? N NO, THERE'S NOTHING THAT NEEDS TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD OTHER THAN THIS.
SO I, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO TELL THE COUNTY THAT WE'RE GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT LITTLE SECTION OF TRAIL THAT'S NOT BUILT YET.
SO NOW WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT THE ROAD UNTIL IT IS CONSTRUCTED OR NOTHING MORE THAN THE TRAIL ITSELF.
AND WE'VE SHOWN THIS TO TOM BROAD BELT AND HE THINKS HE CAN WORK IT INTO HIS, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE MOWING OR, OR ANYTHING THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT.
MAYBE SOME, SOME, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TRUCK THAT COMES OUT AND MOWS WITH THE ARM A LITTLE BIT BETWEEN THE TRAIL AND THE ROAD.
BUT I GUESS I'M SAYING UNTIL SS C I GETS THE CONSTRUCTION COMPLETED ON THAT LITTLE SIDE.
IT'S JUST A, IT'S NOT EVEN AN EIGHTH MILE IS IT? YEAH, 500 FEET, 500 FEET TRAIL.
I GUESS WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ROAD STAYS ACCESSIBLE AS THE TRAIL.
NO, WE'LL ONLY BE RESPONSIBLE TO MAINTAIN THE TRAIL AFTER S C I CONSTRUCTED.
SO WE'RE NOT, THERE'S TAX UNDER NO OBLIGATION TODAY TO MAINTAIN THAT AS A TRAIL.
'CAUSE THERE'S NO TRAIL THERE.
THE COUNTY DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS SECTION AND THEY ASKED THE TOWNER TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE NEGOTIATED THIS IMPROVEMENT AS PART OF S C'S MOST RECENTLY IN DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL.
AND I KNOW THAT THE PARK RANGERS ARE OUT ON THE TRAIL ALL THE TIME DOWN THERE.
SO I'M NOT REALLY THAT CONCERNED, BUT I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND.
UH, THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS.
SO IT'S THE, UH, TRAIL MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION OF A TRAIL MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT FOR A SECTION OF THE PERAN TRAIL ALONG UPPER INDIAN HEAD ROAD.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION OF A TRAIL MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT FOR A SECTION OF THE PERAN TRAIL ALONG UPPER INDIAN HEAD ROAD.
NOW THAT WE PASS THIS, I I HAVE A QUESTION IF I MAY.
UM, HOW MANY OTHER PARCELS, HOW MANY OTHER PIECES OF THE, OF THE, ANY TRAILS IN THE TOWNSHIP HERE DO WE MAINTAIN? DO WE MAINTAIN ANY OF THEM? THE ONLY OTHER COMMITMENT THAT THE
UM, WHEN THAT TRAIL WAS CONSTRUCTED, THE COUNTY TOOK MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ALL OF THE TRAIL EXCEPT FOR THE CULVERT CROSSINGS.
UM, WE WANTED THE CULVERT CROSSINGS TO BE BEEFED UP SO THAT PUBLIC WORKS VEHICLES COULD CROSS THEM TO GET IN THERE TO MAINTAIN THE SEWER LINE THAT RUNS PARALLEL TO THE TRAIL.
THE COUNTY HAD NO INTEREST IN THOSE BEING STRONG ENOUGH TO CARRY VEHICLES.
THEY ONLY HAD BEEN INTERESTED IN THEM BEING STRONG ENOUGH TO, TO CARRY PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.
SO WE DIDN'T ACCEPT MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES FOR THE THREE CULVERTS THAT CROSSED THAT TRAIL.
BUT THAT'S, THAT THOSE ARE THE ONLY PARCELS AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S ON OUR, IT'S TO OUR BENEFIT THAT WE DO THAT BECAUSE
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YES, OUR SEWER LINE IS GOING THROUGH THERE.ALRIGHT, UH, NUMBER 15, CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE ADVERTISEMENT AND SALE ON MISS A BID OF TOWNSHIP OWNED, TOWNSHIP OWNED VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT.
ANYTHING SPECIFIC THERE? THESE ARE ALL PRIMARILY POLICE CARS.
I, YOU MIGHT GET A CHUCKLE AT, AT THE 1991 CHEVROLET CHASSIS.
BUT WE FULLY DEPRECIATED THAT.
YOU SHOULD MAKE AN OFFER ON THAT AND ENTER THE JURY
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE ADVERTISEMENT AND SALE MUNICIPAL BID OF TOWNSHIP OWNED VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND TO AUTHORIZE THE ADVERTISE ADVERTISEMENT AND SALE ON MUNICIPAL BID OF TOWNSHIP OWNED VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
OKAY, NOW WE'VE GOT THREE DISCUSSION ITEMS. WE'LL TAKE IT ONE AT A TIME.
UH, 16, DISCUSS AND AUTHORIZE THE ADVERTISEMENT OR PROPOSED ORDINANCE PERTAINING TO GRASS AND WEED HEIGHT.
AND, UH, I ASKED THE SOLICITOR SPECIFICALLY, I GOT A CALL FROM, UH, ONE OF OUR SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS.
THEY'RE CONSIDERING LETTING SOME SCHOOL PROPERTY FIELDS RETURN TO THE MEADOW LIKE STATE, UH, IN THE SUMMERTIME INSTEAD OF MOWING EVERYTHING, THEY HAVE CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT.
SO I THINK JOE CAME UP WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENTIATED.
YEAH, AND IT'S JUST FOR DISCUSSION.
FIRST TIME OUT YOU GUYS WERE ALL LOOKING AT IT, UM, TONIGHT.
SO WHAT IT DID, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE IN THE TOWNSHIP, BUT YOU DO HAVE A STANDALONE GRASS CUTTING ORDINANCE.
AND, UH, IN ORDER TO EFFECTUATE THIS, I SPLIT IT BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE YOU WE'RE NOT QUITE IN A POSITION TO TAKE EVERY SUBDIVISION AND HAVE EVERY LAWN GO TO A MEADOW.
SO PEOPLE WHO OWN IN RESIDENCES IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS FOR RESIDENCES, UH, YOU STILL HAVE TO CUT YOUR GRASS AS IN THE USUAL WAY.
AND FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL PARCELS, YOU NOW HAVE TO HAVE A 10 FOOT RIBBON ALONGSIDE ANY WALKWAY STREET PATH, ANYWHERE WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE.
AND THAT LETS THE REMAINDER OF THE PARCEL, UH, GO TO GO TO MEADOW.
LET ME THROW A MONKEY WRENCH INTO THAT.
UM, JUST CURIOUS HOW WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH ALL THOSE PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH FEMA DOWN THERE.
'CAUSE WE WERE THINKING ABOUT LEAVING MOST OF THOSE GO NATURAL, WEREN'T WE? BRIAN? ACTUALLY WE'RE GONNA COME UP WITH A, ONCE WE GET CLOSER TO IT AND GET IN A PLANTING SEASON, WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AT GILMORE AND PERKIOMEN, UM, WATERSHED TO COME UP WITH SOME PLANTING PLANS AND, AND LOOK FOR SOME TREE PLANTING GRANTS TO PUT SOME TREES, SOME BUSHES.
WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE NOT GONNA JUST LET IT RUN ROUGH.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE PLAN MOVING FORWARD.
UM, WE'LL SEE HOW FAR WE GET WITH IT.
WE'RE GONNA USE AS MANY GRANTS AS POSSIBLE, OBVIOUSLY, BUT DOES THAT, DOES THAT NOT AFFECT THAT THEN? OR JUST CURIOUS? WELL, I MEAN WITHIN, WITHIN 10 FEET OF THE ROADWAY IT COULD.
THAT WOULD JUST BE A MAINTENANCE OBLIGATION FOR THE PARCELS.
I, I, I DON'T LIKE TO SPEAK FOR TOM BROADWELL, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT AGAIN, THE, THE TRUCK WITH THE SWING ARM MOWER ON IT COULD, COULD CLEAN UP THE ROADSIDE IN ONE PASS AND THEN, YOU KNOW YEAH.
MIGHT ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THEIR BUDGET, BUT IT, IT JUST, IT JUST, I DON'T KNOW WHY.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING VARIOUS RETENTION AREAS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BE MOWED.
IT SHOULD BE THE, THE BOWL ITSELF SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO GO NATURAL.
IS, DOES THIS ORDINANCE COVER THAT AT, AT ALL? WELL, YOU, THE BOWL WOULDN'T BE WITHIN 10 FEET OF A ROAD OR PATH, I GUESS, I GUESS THEORETICALLY, RIGHT.
BUT NOT REALLY WITH THE, I DON'T REALLY SEE HOW THAT COULD PRACTICALLY HAPPEN.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE A CURRENT, YOU HAVE A WHATEVER YOU'RE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN A PROBLEM WITH THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE CURRENT ORDINANCE WITH RESPECT TO ANY BASIS, BUT I, I DON'T, I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANY OF IT.
WE'VE ALSO BEEN DISCUSSING THIS AT THE E A C MEETINGS, UM, AND, AND LOOKING TO, UM, BRING SOME LANGUAGE FORWARD TO THE BOARD THAT CAN GUIDE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS AND, AND GET YOUR APPROVAL FOR THAT.
UM, WE'RE NOT THE FASTEST MOVING GROUP IN THE WORLD, BUT WE'RE GETTING THERE.
UM, WE'RE STILL FIGURING THINGS OUT.
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MEAN, I THINK YOU PROBABLY AGREE WITH ME.WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO, THAT'S ONE OF THE FOCUSES OF THE E A C FOR THIS YEAR.
'CAUSE, UM, THINK ABOUT IT, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T WANT BUSHES AND EVERYTHING UP NEXT TO YOUR HOUSE BECAUSE IT'S LIKE YOU'RE GONNA GET YOUR MICE AND WHATEVER OTHER KIND OF BURNING WANTS TO COME IN.
NO, NOT UP, NOT UP AGAINST THE HOUSE.
AND I CAN SEE 10 FEET ON THE EDGE OF THE ROAD.
IT'S THE RETENTION PONDS THAT, AGAIN, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO GO NATURAL BECAUSE DON'T ACTUALLY DESIGNED, AND I SEE EVERYBODY, ALL THE HOAS ARE JUST MOWING THEM.
OH, YOU MEAN AS A SEPARATE ISSUE THAT WE SHOULD TO AS AN, AS AN ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT.
SOME KIND OF INCENTIVE TO SAY, HEY, STOP MOWING YOUR RETENTION COSTS.
AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHAT THE A C IS LOOKING AT.
AND I, MAYBE WE HAVE TO AMEND THIS AGAIN IN THE FUTURE.
WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, WE'RE STILL SORT OF FIGURING OUT WHAT, YOU CAN LOOK AT IT FROM A WHOLESALE CHANGE IN BRINGING IN WATER TOLERANT PLANTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO FORCE THAT ON ANY HOAS.
BUT TRY TO EDUCATE THEM AND SHOW THEM DIFFERENT PATHS.
IF THAT MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO CHANGE THIS IN THE FUTURE, MAYBE WE HAVE TO DO THAT.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE TRYING TO WORK, JUST DETERMINE WHAT THE PARAMETERS ARE.
AND ONCE YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE, YOU COULD ALSO PUT THEM IN THE, UH, PLAN APPROVAL.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN, MOVING FORWARD? OR COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE O LEASE? THE CURRENT NO, NO, YOU CAN'T BECAUSE THOSE PLANS WERE ALREADY APPROVED WITHOUT THAT CONDITION.
IF YOU DID IT BY AN ORDINANCE, I SUPPOSE SOMEHOW AN ORDINANCE TO NOT DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, DON'T CUT YOUR BASE.
I, I SUPPOSE WE COULD DO THAT BY ORDINANCE THEN IT WOULD APPLY TO EVERYBODY.
WELL, I WAS GONNA ASK IT IN YOUR DISCUSSION ON RETENTION BASES IN THE EAC C ARE WE TALKING ABOUT MORE THAN JUST GRASS? RIGHT.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE FUNCTION, HOW THEY WERE FUNCTIONING AND, UH, HOW THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WERE CONSTRUCTED CORRECTLY TO START WITH AND ALL THAT? YEAH, AND, AND, AND JUST HONESTLY, THE OVERALL MAINTENANCE OF THEM, BECAUSE A GOOD NUMBER OF BASINS WITHIN IN THE TOWNSHIP ARE, THEY GO OVER THREE OR FOUR PROPERTIES.
THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY CONTROLLED BY AN H O A, BUT ALL OF THE MECHANICAL, WHICH ISN'T A LARGE AREA IN TERMS OF THE BASIN, BUT THEY'RE ON ONE PERSON'S PROPERTY.
AND SOMETIMES THAT PERSON DOESN'T KNOW WHAT MAINTENANCE THEY HAVE TO DO.
SO IT'S, IT IS REALLY, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET AN EDUCATION OUT THERE OF WHAT THE ALTERNATIVES ARE BESIDES JUST HAVING THREE INCH GRASS.
I THINK, YEAH, I, YEAH, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL.
CAN I ADD SOMETHING? YEAH, CERTAINLY.
SO, YOU KNOW, AND, AND PART OF THE, THE WHOLE, UH, YOU KNOW, LONG TO MEADOW MOVEMENT IS NOT JUST ABOUT NOT CUTTING YOUR GRASS.
I MEAN, IT'S TO BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT GROWING CERTAIN PLANTS, MOSTLY NATIVE PLANTS AND SO FORTH TO ATTRACT POLLINATORS.
UH, THE ONE GENTLEMAN MENTIONED THE MONARCH BUTTERFLY.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE WHOLE THING IS TO, TO INCREASE AND HELP THE BIODIVERSITY THROUGHOUT THE OPEN SPACES, THE FOREST AND WHERE IT CAN HAPPEN IN LAUNCH.
WE HAVE A LOT OF HOAS WITH A LOT OF GROUND THAT THEY ALL COMMONLY SHARE IN THE EXPENSE TO, TO MOW.
SO THERE'S THEIRS RIGHT HERE IN THIS TOWNSHIP IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO, AND THAT'S INTERESTING TOO, THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO CUT IT.
I THINK THEY WOULD, UH, THEY COULD SAVE A LOT OF MONEY BY NOT HAVING TO MOW IT.
AND I, I CONSIDER ALL OF THOSE SO-CALLED OPEN SPACES IN THE HOAS THAT ARE JUST FLAT LAWN, NOT, NOT THE RETENTION BOWL.
UM, I CALL THEM GOOSE LAWNS BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO BENEFIT FROM 'EM.
THE NEIGHBORHOODS DON'T SEEM TO HAVE ACCESS TO THEM.
IT IS JUST A BIG EXPANSIVE LAWN THAT NOBODY GETS TO USE EXCEPT THE GEESE.
AND IF IN THE EDUCATIONAL SECTION OF THIS THAT PEOPLE CAN BE EDUCATED INTO YOU, WE THE MEADOW TO THE MEADOW.
AND, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS WE CAN GET A FOOT IN THE DOOR AND START THAT EDUCATION PRO PROCESS, THAT'D BE GREAT.
I MEAN, DOES EVERYBODY WANT TO WAIT A MONTH AND COME BACK WITH ANY COMMENTS OR IF YOU'RE, OR MOVE IT FORWARD TO ADVERTISE? I MEAN, I, I GOT A QUESTION.
UH, DOES THIS APPLY TO AGRICULTURAL GROUND? ANY OF THIS APPLY TO AGRICULTURAL FIELDS? CUTTING OF FIELDS? THINK SO.
WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? I DON'T THINK SO.
THEY, THEY MENTIONED IT'S, IT'S ONLY 10 FEET OFF OF A ROAD OR A SIDEWALK THAT WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED TO BE MOW.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE YOU MOW EVERYTHING YOU HAVE
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JUST PASS, MAKE A MOTIONS THAT WELL, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO ADVERTISE IT OR COME BACK, CONSIDER IT, COME BACK.I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER ANYBODY WANTED TO THINK ON IT LONGER OR IF YOU OH, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, YOU WOULD JUST MOTION TO ADVERTISE IT AND WE'LL ADVERTISE IT.
IS IT POSTED SOMEWHERE NOW THAT WE COULD, IT'S NOT UNTIL IT'S ADVERTISED.
I'M FINE WITH ADVERTISING IT AND IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, AND THEN IF WE NEED TO AMEND IT LATER, WE AMEND IT LATER.
I, I THINK HIS SUGGESTIONS TODAY ARE PRACTICAL.
DO WE WANT TO SAY NON-RESIDENTIAL EXCLUDES FARMLAND? I THINK DECENT POINT, I'LL GO BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK IT.
EITHER THERE'S, THERE IS AN EXCLUSION FOR AGRICULTURE IN THE EXISTING ORDINANCE, BUT THAT DOESN'T BREAK OUT BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND NON RESIDENTIAL.
BUT I'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S IN THERE.
ALTHOUGH AN AGRICULTURE, THAT MEANS IF YOU'RE GROWING A CROP, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CUT, CUT IT LIKE IT'S GRASS.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD EXEMPT YOU FROM THE 10 FOOT RIBBON OF CUTTING FROM A STREET OR A WALKWAY.
DO YOU WANNA WAIT FOR A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE U O C THEN? I THINK WE WANNA, THIS IS JUST SPECIFICALLY TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM ON THE SCHOOL BOARD BEING IN, IN VIOLATION OF OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, IF THEY WERE ALLOWED FIELD TO GO TO MEADOW.
SO WHAT JOE'S DONE IS JUST SEPARATED RESIDENTIAL FROM NON-RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
NOW WE MAY NEED TO DO MORE IN THE FUTURE, ESPECIALLY ONCE WE GET A MORE, YOU KNOW, COMPREHENSIVE RECOMMENDATION.
BUT I DON'T SEE THAT THIS HURTS ANYTHING.
I'M OKAY MOVING FORWARD TONIGHT.
UM, I'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE ADVERTISEMENT OF A PROPOSED ORDINANCE PERTAINING TO GRASS AND WEEDED HEIGHT.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO AUTHORIZE THE ADVERTISEMENT OF A PROPOSED ORDINANCE PERTAINING TO GRASS AND WEEDED HEIGHT.
OKAY, NUMBER 17, DISCUSS AND AUTHORIZE THE ADVERTISEMENT OF A PROPOSED ORDINANCE PERTAINING TO SINGLE USE PLASTIC.
AND, UH, REQUESTED COME FROM LORI.
AND, UM, I CER I MODIFIED AN ORDINANCE THAT I HAD PREPARED, UH, IN THE BOROUGH OF AMBLER, WHICH I, I REPRESENT.
UH, THIS WAS A, UM, PASSION PROJECT FOR THEM FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS.
UM, THERE HAD BEEN A STATE MORATORIUM ON ADOPTING THESE ORDINANCES.
AND THEN WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS LIFTED, THEY WENT AND HADN'T ADOPTED THE ORDINANCE.
UH, UH, HALF, HALF A YEAR AGO.
UM, IT WAS VETTED, THERE WAS A PRESENTATION FROM A NATIONAL GROUP THAT'S SEEKING TO PROMULGATE THESE OR THESE ORDINANCES.
UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF INPUT AND, AND A LOT OF BORROWING FROM A LOT OF OTHER ORDINANCES.
I THINK NORBERT WENT FIRST WITH THIS.
UM, WESTCHESTER WAS UP NEAR THE FRONT OF THE PACK.
UM, NOW THERE ARE MORE, SINCE THE MORATORIUM WAS LIFTED, SOME OF THE SMALL DETAILS YOU COULD CONSIDER WHETHER TO TWEAK ANY OF THE SMALL DETAILS, THERE WAS A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH AMONG THE COUNCIL PERSONS THERE ON WHICH PARTICULAR THINGS TO REGULATE AND SPECIFICALLY HOW AND QUESTIONS ABOUT ENFORCEMENT.
AND, UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF PUBLIC PUSHBACK, UH, WELL FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY I SHOULD SAY.
UM, BUT MOST OF THEM WERE ULTIMATELY, UM, SATISFIED THAT, THAT THEY WERE ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE PROCESS.
SO IF, IF A PIECE OF PLASTIC AS THE RECYCLING TRIANGLE ON IT, IT CAN BE PUT INTO A RECYCLE BIN AND POTENTIALLY RECYCLED WHETHER IT GETS RECYCLED OR NOT.
I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO THAT DISCUSSION, BUT IT CAN BE RECYCLED.
SO ARE WE ONLY TALKING ABOUT LIKE BAGS AND PACKAGING HERE? AND WHAT ARE WE, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE ACTUALLY, ESSENTIALLY, ESSENTIALLY IT'S, IT WOULD BAN THE USE OF PLASTIC BAGS FOR TAKING PRODUCTS OUT OF THE STORE.
IT'S THE INCENTIVE TO USE YOUR BAG OF WHAT, WHAT YOU DO NOW.
AND, AND, UM, THE NATIONAL CHAINS, THE, THE, UH, WELL THAT BOROUGH IS VERY SMALL.
IT'S ONLY A MILE ACROSS, BUT THEY, THE C V SS IS THE ONLY NATIONAL CHAIN IN THE BOROUGH.
THEY COULDN'T HAVE CARED LESS.
THEY SAID WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE IN WHOLE STATES THAT DO THIS.
SO IT'S REALLY NO BIGGIE FOR US.
UM, IT'S THE SMALLER STORES HAVE THE STRONGER OBJECTIONS, UM, BECAUSE IT IS A COST INCREASE FOR THEM.
UH, THERE WAS A WOMAN WHO OWNS A A, AN ICE CREAM SHOP WHO SAID, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE NOT COSTS THAT SHE CAN PASS ALONG BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ONLY GONNA SIT AND PAY SO MUCH FOR AN ICE CREAM CONE.
AND YOU CAN TRY TO TELL 'EM ABOUT THE PACKAGING COST INCREASE, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA WANT TO PAY.
SO THAT'S, THAT WAS THE TYPE OF OBJECTION.
THAT WAS THE MAIN THRUST OF THE, OF THE DEBATE PROCESS.
SO THE COST INCREASE WOULD BE GETTING
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PAPER BAG INSTEAD OF THE PLASTIC BAG? IS THAT, WELL, THAT WAS WITH RESPECT TO LIKE CARRY OUT.SHE WAS REFERRING TO THE CARRY OUT CONTAINERS, YOU KNOW, NOT BEING ABLE TO USE POLYSTYRENE AND HAVING TO USE SOMETHING ELSE WHICH COSTS MORE.
SHE BROUGHT IT A BUNCH OF COST SHEETS ON THE DIFFERENT, I THINK IT WAS A, IT WAS 15 OR 20% COST INCREASE TO HER.
UM, YEAH, FOR INSTANCE, WHEN I GO TO KIWI YOGURT, ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS TO DO, I GET MY YOGURT IN A PAPER CUP.
BUT THEN THERE'S A PLASTIC LID, A DOME THAT GOES OVER IT.
I GUESS THAT DOME IS NOW GONNA BE NO GO.
WELL YOUR ORDERS CAN SAY WITHIN REASON WHAT YOU WANTED TO SAY.
THIS WAS JUST WHAT THEY CAME UP WITH.
SO I PUT IT IN AS A STARTING POINT FOR YOU TO LOOK AT, TO SEE, DO YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT? DO YOU WANT TO DO A DIFFERENT VERSION? THIS IS DEFINITELY ONE NOT TO AFFORD FOR ADVERTISING TONIGHT.
'CAUSE IT, IT NEEDS A LOT OF THOUGHT AND DISCUSSION.
WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT.
I MEAN, I'M NOT IN A POSITION TO MAKE THAT DECISION ON THE SMALL BUSINESSES OF THIS TOWNSHIP.
THAT TO, TO ME, I UNDERSTAND THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, BUT I'M, I'M, I'M PERSONALLY NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF TELLING SMALL BUSINESSES HAVE WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO.
CERTAINLY BEHOOVE THEM AND MOVE AWAY FROM IT.
BUT THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.
JOE, WOULD THE ADVERTISEMENT OF IT ENGENDER THE DISCUSSION THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY? OR DO WE NEED, WE, WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS THAT THE E A C, UM, WE CAN BRING IT DOWN TO THAT LEVEL AND THROW IT OUT THERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND OBVIOUSLY ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE WELCOME TO ATTEND, UM, TO SORT OF, SO WE'RE NOT TAKING A BOARD TIME MEETING, BUT, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME OF THEIR MEETINGS, HAVE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT AND MAYBE REACH OUT TO SOME OF THE SMALL BUSINESSES TO, TO, TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK D IS A, A GOOD AVENUE TO, TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITHOUT TAKING, YOU KNOW, TOO MUCH MORE TIME.
IS THIS GONNA BAN PETSMART FROM SELLING DOG POOP BAGS? AND WHAT? IS EVERYONE GONNA PICK UP THE I HOPE NOT BECAUSE I HAVE NO
UM, AGAIN, I HAVE NOT READ, SO THERE'S SO MANY IMPLICATIONS TO THIS THAT I JUST, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE, PERSONALLY, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH, WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING BROADER THE IMPACTS.
I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD DISCUSS IT.
I THINK WE SHOULD PASS SOMETHING.
I THINK WE SHOULD OPEN OUR MINDS UP AND INVITE PEOPLE IN AND SEE WHERE THEIR PAIN POINTS ARE.
I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT ARE NOW USED TO A WAGONS THAT MIGHT BE OPEN TO THE DISCUSSION AND KNOW THAT EVENTUALLY WE NEED TO GET RID OF THE SINGLEY PLASTIC.
BECAUSE BAGS ARE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO RECYCLE.
I THINK WE SHOULD MAYBE, MAYBE IF YOU JUST WANT TO PUT, PUT IT DOWN TO BAGS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BAGS THAT YOU WALK OUT OF THE GROCERY STORE WITH.
I KNOW FROM MY PERSONAL HOUSEHOLD, GAIL IS ALWAYS, WE CARRY A BAG INTO THE GROCERY STORE.
WHEN WE GO, EVERYTHING WE TAKE OUT IS IN A BAG THAT SHE'S GOTTEN FROM SOMEPLACE.
WHETHER SOMEBODY GAVE IT TO HER, WE BOUGHT IT.
UM, IF YOU JUST WANT TO, IF YOU WANT TO GET IT STARTED AND JUST SAY PLASTIC BAGS, EVERYBODY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SENDING YOU OUT WHEN YOU GO TO THE STORE WITH PLASTIC, COME OUT WITH A PLASTIC BAG, MAYBE JUST START IT WITH THAT AND JUST CONTINUE TO ADD TO IT OR WHATEVER ELSE.
BUT I, I THINK YOU HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE.
AND I READ ALL THE TIME ABOUT HOW, HOW ALL THE FISH IN THE OCEAN HAVE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF PLASTIC IN THEM.
AND SO DO WE AND SO DO WE AS HUMANS AND, AND, AND LOTS OF OTHER THINGS.
IF YOU WANT TO JUST START WITH PLASTIC BAGS COMING OUT A GROCERY STORE.
BUT WE NEED TO START SOMEWHERE.
I AGREE THAT PLASTIC BAGS ARE A PROBLEM.
I'D LIKE TO PROBABLY BETTER UNDERSTAND BEST USE IN THE COUNTRY.
WHAT ARE OTHER COMMUNITIES DOING THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER BEING IN CALIFORNIA AND YOU GOTTA PUT YOUR ORGANIC WASTE IN A CAN AND YOU GOTTA PUT YOUR PLASTICS IN A CAN.
YOU GOTTA PUT YOUR PAPERS IN A CAN.
YOU GOTTA PUT OTHER TRASH IN A CAN.
AND THEY WORK WITH THEIR, THEIR, THEIR MUNICIPALITIES TO COLLECT THAT APPROPRIATELY.
WE DON'T COLLECT, WE DON'T EVEN COLLECT IT APPROPRIATELY HERE.
DON'T, SO WE'RE TRYING TO CUT OFF A ROOT CAUSE PROBLEM OF THE BAG WHEN WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE SOLUTION FOR BETTER COLLECTING THE RECYCLABLES AND HAVING THE MUNICIPALITIES HANDLE IT CORRECTLY.
I MEAN, MOST OF THE GLASS IN THE COUNTRY DOESN'T GET RECYCLED.
YOU KNOW, SO I, I'M, I'M MORE ABOUT, I I'M, I AGREE.
THE PAPER, THE PLASTIC BAGS ARE A BAD THING.
THE PAPER BAGS ARE PAIN IN THE ASS TOO.
BUT AT LEAST THEY'RE RECYCLABLE.
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I'LL TELL YOU, I GET SO MANY OF 'EM AT HOME.THEY DON'T EVEN, THEY FILL UP MY ENTIRE RECYCLE BIN.
I CAN'T EVEN RECYCLE THE PLASTIC IN THE BOTTLE THEN, YOU KNOW.
SO NOW I GOT RECYCLABLES PILING UP IN MY GARAGE 'CAUSE I CAN'T GET 'EM OUT OF MY HOUSE FAST ENOUGH TO ME.
AND I'M A HOUSE OF SEVEN, RIGHT.
SO I HAVE A LOT THAT I HAVE TO MANAGE AND, AND SO, SO TO ME, THE MUNICIPALITY HAS TO, WE HAVE TO SOMEHOW WORK BETTER TO COLLECT IT BETTER AND TO CREATE A BETTER SOLUTION TO GET IT RECYCLED AGREED ROOT CAUSE STOP MANUFACTURING THE BAGS.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S A, THAT'S A BIG TOPIC TO DISCUSS.
BY THE WAY, BILL BILL'S NOT JUST THE GUY THAT TALKED FROM NOW, HE'S ACTUALLY ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL BY COUNCIL.
AND PHIL FELTON, OLD STATE ROAD DAC C AND YOU KNOW, JEFF MENTIONED THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS AT THE E A C AND I BELIEVE TOM IS COMING FORWARD TO THE NEXT D A C MEETING WITH A, A DRAFT, UH, UH, ORDINANCE OR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE JOE HAS ONE THAT HE WANTS TO BRING TO IT AS WELL.
UM, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH TOM AND THAT'S WHAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE AC TO, TO PUT SOME, YOU KNOW, TO PASS AN ORDINANCE RIGHT AWAY WITHOUT THE RETAIL STORES IN PARTICULAR, BEING ABLE TO BE PREPARED FOR IT WOULD BE, WOULD PROBABLY BE TOUGH FOR A LOT OF THEM.
SO THAT WE, YOU KNOW, AS E A C WE'RE, WE'RE CONSIDERING THAT AS WELL.
I WOULD SAY TO ME PERSONALLY, WHAT IS THE LOW LINE FRUIT THAT WE CAN DO EASILY TICK OFF? WHAT IS THAT 'CAUSE TO, TO COLLECT AND THEN CAN'T DO? WELL, IT'S, IT'S A, THE SINGLE USE BAGS.
THE SINGLE USE BAGS IS THE, THE, IT'S THE ONE AT IN FRONT OF US ALL THE TIME.
AND ON THE STREET, ALL THAT SORT OF THING.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A POINT WITH THE PAPER BAGS TOO.
I MEAN, I WAS AT THE ONE'S HOUSE FOR DINNER AND IT ELSE BRUNCH AND THERE WERE NO NAPKINS.
SHE SAID, I'M RADICAL IF THERE'S NO SINGLE USE ANYTHING HERE.
SO IF YOU GO UP TO THE KITCHEN SINK AND, YOU KNOW, WASH YOUR HANDS.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF, IF THERE IS SOME LOW LYING FRUIT, IT CERTAINLY WOULD BE THE SINGLE USE PLASTIC BAG.
BUT I, I THINK A LOT OF OUR BIGGER RETAILERS, AND YOU MENTIONED C V S ARE ALREADY MAKING THE TRANSITION.
SO IT, IT PROBABLY IS THESE SMALLER, YOU KNOW, STORES THAT WE AT LEAST NEED TO ALLOW THEM TO ADJUST.
MAKE THERAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THEIR ALTERNATIVE AND WHAT IS THE COST AND DO THEY HAVE 10 YEARS SUPPLY OF LIDS FOR YOGURT? BUT THEY TRANSITION HERE.
THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO PLAN FOR NO, WE JUST WANT TO BE YEAH.
GERALD, DO YOU, DO YOU RECOMMEND, HOW, HOW DO YOU RECOMMEND A PATH GOING FORWARD THAT WE GO AHEAD AND ADVERTISE IT AND THEN ENTERTAIN DISCUSSION OR HAVE A DISCUSSION GOING THROUGH THE EAC C FIRST OR, WELL, YOU COULD DEFINITELY GET IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC WITHOUT HAVING IT ADVERTISED JUST AS A PENDING ORDINANCE AND BY THE E A C DISCUSSING IT AND BY PUTTING IT ON THE WEBSITE SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ADVERTISED TO DISCUSS IT.
MY ONLY CONCERN WITH ADVERTISING IT BEFORE ANY OF THE DISCUSSION IS THAT THEN YOU HAVE A HARD DATE BY WHICH, AND YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE ALL THE INFO BY THEN.
SO YOU DON'T WANT TO ADVERTISE IT UNTIL YOU'RE COMFORTABLE ADVERTISING IT.
SO THAT DOESN'T PROHIBIT OF, WE DON'T GENERALLY CIRCULATE DRAFTS OF ORDINANCES, BUT WE CAN, AND SOMETIMES WE DO.
DO YOU MEAN, SO YOU COULD JUST MAKE THE DRAFT AVAILABLE, UM, AND DISCUSS IT, PUT IN THE NEWSLETTER IF WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS IT.
WE SHOULD DISCUSS IT AS A COMMUNITY.
LET'S LET THE EAC C COME FORWARD WITH SOME LANGUAGE AND THEN, UH, NO, LET'S BRING THEM IN AND THEY CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION.
AND, UH, AND THEN, UH, WE HAVE A MEETING COMING UP IN SEPTEMBER, IN ABOUT THREE WEEKS.
WE CAN CERTAINLY PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA AND, AND HAVE SOME DISCUSSION PUT ON THE WEBSITE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE.
NOW THIS GROUP THAT HELPED YOU PUT THIS TOGETHER, YOU SAID THERE'S A NATIONAL GROUP.
IS THAT OF INTEREST TO US? TO MAYBE I CAN, I CAN GET THAT CONTACT INFO AND HAVE THEM COME HERE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, TO SET THE TABLE FOR US, NONE OF US REALLY KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
LIKE I ON THE AGENDA SO WE CAN JUST KEEP IT ON THE AGENDA AND, UH, WHEN WE'RE READY TO MOVE ON AN ORDINANCE.
WE'LL, BUT I, I AGREE WITH TOM.
I'M NOT COMFORTABLE YET WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING ALL THE IMPACTS OF THIS.
BEFORE WE, SO I HAD A, I HAD A PICNIC WITH MY KIDS AND GRANDKIDS OVER THE PAST WEEKEND, AND I'M KIND OF HOPING I DON'T GET ARRESTED FOR THROWING AWAY A PLASTIC FORK.
WELL, AND ONE OF THE THINGS, UM, ABOUT THE ORDINANCE THAT
THE SHOPPER DOESN'T GET IN TROUBLE.
IT'S THE STORE FOR SUPPLYING THE BAG.
AND HOW DO YOU EVEN ENFORCE THAT? WELL, ENFORCEMENT WAS A BIG DISCUSSION.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE ONE CODE ENFORCEMENT GUY FOR THE TOWN, AND, UH, HE, HE FORESAW
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BEING IZZY, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'RE THINKING IN THEIR CASE WAS THAT THEY WANTED TO START WITH SOMETHING AND THEN ADJUSTED IF THEY HAD TO.THEY ALSO STAGGERED THE ENFORCEMENT EFFECTIVE DATE FOR THE POLYSTYRENE.
THEY BASICALLY ROLLED OUT WITH BAGS FIRST ALSO.
I MEAN, THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO STEP INTO IT TOO, RIGHT.
YOU COULD START WITH FOOD AND BEVERAGE, BUT I MEAN, EVERY STORE UP HERE, IT'S NOT FOOD AND BEVERAGE.
IT, PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER, GO TO TILLY'S, YOU GO TO DICK'S, YOU BUY SOME STUFF, YOU GO, YOU KNOW, YOU GO TO BEST BUY.
SO EVERYONE'S, I MEAN, NOW YOU'RE TALKING SOME MAJOR CHANGES HERE.
NOT THAT THEY DON'T NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT IT, BUT YEAH.
PUT THE CHIEF IN CHARGE OF THIS, YOU KNOW, CAN'T COVER PEOPLE TO GO WELL, THE MORE EDUCATION, THE MORE PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT AND, YOU KNOW, GETTING OUT THERE SO PEOPLE CAN THINK ABOUT IT AND DISCUSS IT.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, AND, AND NOT TRY TO LOWER THE BEAM ON PEOPLE IMMEDIATELY.
SO, UM, TOTALLY FINE WITH THE E A C WORKING ON IT AND PUTTING IT IN THE NEWSLETTER SO THAT PEOPLE CAN START THINKING ABOUT IT.
AND WE GET THAT OUT THERE TO THINK ABOUT IT, DISCUSS IT, AND COME UP WITH, WHEN I, WHEN I OPENED THE BAR IN 1980, WE HAD NOTHING BUT RETURNABLE BOTTLES.
THERE WASN'T A THROWAWAY OF BOTTLES.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS LIKE YOU RETURNED THEM.
MAYBE WE SHOULD GO BACK TO THAT.
AND, AND AS A KID, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS AGO,
NOW, TO GET ENOUGH MONEY BACK FROM RETURNING A RETURN OF A BOTTLE, YOU'D HAVE TO GET TWO AND A HALF BUCKS, WHICH I'M TOTALLY FINE WITH BECAUSE THAT WOULD GET ME A CANDY BAR.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO REEDUCATE OURSELVES AND RETHINK ABOUT WHAT WAS DONE BEFORE.
I AGREE WITH YOU REEDUCATE OURSELVES THAT EVERY TIME YOU GO OUT SHOPPING, YOU TAKE A BAG WITH YOU.
NO MATTER WHETHER YOU'RE GOING TO THE GROCERY STORE OR TO THE CLOTHING STORE.
TO SHOE STORE OR WHEREVER YOU'RE TAKING A BAG WITH YOU TO BRING YOUR PURCHASES BACK OUT.
WE JUST HAVE EVERYTHING DELIVERED.
SO WE'RE NOW RESPONSIBLE FOR MANUFACTURING, LIQUOR STORE CORRUGATED AND RECYCLING OF CORRUGATED BOXES.
IF YOU EVER NEED ONE, COME TO MY HOUSE.
AND, AND, AND THEY, THEY, UM, I LOVE TO SHOP ONLINE AT GIANT AND THEY GIVE IT TO YOU IN PAPER BAGS.
THEY DO NOT ACTUALLY REUSE THOSE PAPER BAGS, BUT THEY WILL RECYCLE THEM.
AND THE RECYCLING PERCENTAGE FOR PAPER IS QUITE HIGH AS OPPOSED TO PLASTIC IS 5%.
YOU'RE SO, SO WHENEVER I GO TO PICK UP MY NEXT SHOPPING THING FROM GIANT IS I BRING MY BAGS FROM THE LAST TIME AND THEY WILL TAKE THEM FROM ME SO THAT I DON'T PILE THEM UP.
OTHERWISE I WOULD BURN THEM AND I'D RATHER NOT BURN THEM.
I'D RATHER HAVE THEM RECYCLED IN SOMEWHERE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO PASS AN ORDINANCE TONIGHT.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES A LOT OF TIME AND DISCUSSION AND GETTING AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE TO THINK ABOUT IT AND GET ON BOARD WITH IT.
SO THIS WILL GO ONTO THE NEXT MONTH'S AGENDA.
BILLION OF YOUR WORK CUT OUT FOR YOU.
UH, DO WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE IT OR WHAT? NO, IT'S NOT REALLY TABLE, IT'S JUST, IT IS, UH, STILL JUST UNDER DISCUSSION.
IT'S JUST A PEN PENDING OPEN ITEM.
SO WE WANT TO, UH, ITEM 18 DISCUSSING ALL AND AUTHORIZED AN ADVERTISEMENT POTENTIALLY OF A PROPOSED ORDINANCE PERTAINING TO TRASH AND RECYCLING.
AND IF I REMEMBER OUR DISCUSSION FROM LAST MONTH, THIS IS BECAUSE WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AS AN ORDINANCE IS OUT OF DATE WITH STATE LAW AND CONFLICTS WITH STATE LAW.
ONE, ONE PART OF IT CONFLICTS, ONE PART OF IT CONFLICTS WITH STATE LAW.
UM, THE OTHER PART WAS COMPLIANT, BUT I THINK, UH, TIM WANTED, WELL NOT NOT JUST TIM, BUT TIM HAD SUGGESTED THAT IT BE CHANGED, UH, FROM ONE WEEK TO TWO WEEK ON A, THE TURNAROUND TIME FOR MANDATORY PICKUP.
SO THAT PART, THE STATE ONLY REQUIRES ONCE A MONTH.
SO YOU WERE ON THAT, YOU WERE OKAY, BUT JUST DESIRING A CHANGE.
THE PART THAT'S NO LONGER VALID IS THE PART ABOUT REGISTERING THE HAULERS, UH, THAT WAS TAKEN OVER BY THE STATE AND THE LAW THAT TOOK THAT OVER SAID YOU CAN'T HAVE LOCAL VERSIONS OF IT.
SO THIS VER THIS VERSION REMOVES ALL THAT.
AND THEN STYLISTICALLY WHAT THIS ONE DOES IS IT SEPARATES, UH, DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUSINESSES AND RESIDENCES IN TERMS OF WHAT THEIR OBLIGATIONS ARE.
THE EXISTING ORDINANCE JUST HAS WASTE AND RECYCLING, BUT IT DOESN'T BREAK IT OUT BY TYPE OF USER.
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UM, SO THE STATE REQUIRES THAT, THAT THE TRASH HAULER PICK UP TRASH EVERY ONCE A MONTH OR THAT THE, THE STATE, THE STATE, THE STATE ACTUALLY, UM, REQUIRES WITH RESPECT TO RECYCLING THAT IT BE PICKED UP AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH.AND WE WANT TO, AND WE SAY EVERY TWO WEEKS, OR WE CURRENTLY SAY, WE CURRENTLY SAY EVERY WEEK.
AND THEN THE REQUEST WAS TO CHANGE IT TO SAY EVERY TWO WEEKS, AT LEAST EVERY TWO WEEKS.
NOT EVERY TWO WEEKS, BUT AT LEAST EVERY TWO WEEKS.
I THINK MOST FOLKS CONTRACT TO HAVE THEIR TRASH AND THEIR RECYCLE PICKED UP BY THE ST.
AND, UH, BUT THEY'RE DIFFERENT TRUCKS.
I KNOW, BUT I, I'M, YEAH, I'M, BUT WE'RE A WEEK TODAY AND IT'S SAYING TO GO TO TWO WEEKS.
WHAT, WHAT, WHY WOULD WE GO BACKWARDS? YEAH.
WHAT'S YOUR REASONING? I THINK, WHAT'S THE REASONING ON THIS? I DON'T, I THINK THE, UM, THERE THERE WAS A SITUATION WHERE PEOPLE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET PICKED UP EVERY WEEK AND WE DIDN'T WANT IT TO THAT, TO CONSTITUTE AN AUTOMATIC HEALTH CONCERN OR OH, YES.
I THINK, YEAH, I THINK WHITE TAIL IS NOW TELLING THEIR FOLKS THEY'RE ONLY GONNA PICK UP EVERY TWO WEEKS OR SOMEBODY.
SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO CREATE A SERIES OF VIOLATIONS FROM THAT.
IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THERE ARE, I MEAN, THE HAULERS FROM EVERYTHING THAT I'VE GATHERED, THEY'RE NOT A GROUP THAT GENERALLY ENGENDER SYMPATHY OR ANYTHING, BUT THEY ARE HAVING A HARD TIME, UH, KEEPING PEOPLE HIRED AND THAT ONE COMPANY THAT WE WON'T NAME, UH, STOP PAYING OVERTIME.
AND THAT, THAT I'M NOT, THERE'S NO SYMPATHY DUE THERE.
UM, BUT I THINK AS A WHOLE, I KNOW ALL OF THEM HAVE STRUGGLED.
I'VE BEEN APPROACHED BY THE HAULERS FOR THE TOWNS THAT I REPRESENT TO, TO HOLD OPEN HOUSES AND CAN THEY USE PUBLIC PARKING LOTS TO HOLD AWARENESS THINGS TO TRY TO GET EMPLOYEES HIRED.
AND THEY'VE REALLY STRUGGLED, UM, TO DO THAT.
UM, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE ONE THAT WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT, IT'S IN THAT, THAT WAS NOT THEIR REASON.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT, AND TIM, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I THINK THAT THE, THE, THE INTENTION WAS TO, TO AVOID A, A BUNCH OF AUTOMATIC VIOLATIONS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO, UH, ENFORCE OR DECLARE.
WE'VE GOT SOME RESIDENTIAL COMPLAINTS ASKING US, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? ARE WE GONNA GO OUT AND TICKET OR, UM, OR CITE THESE PEOPLE? AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO REFLECT WHAT THE MAINSTREAM REACTION IS RIGHT NOW.
I THINK, I THINK IT'S, UH, I DON'T WANNA NAME NAMES, BUT I KNOW TWO OF THE SIX HOLLERS THAT WE HAVE ON OUR WEBSITE, I THINK TWO OR THREE HAVE SENT NOTICES THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING, UH, A COLLECTION EVERY TWO WEEKS.
IT'S KIND OF STAYING WITH THE MUD.
SO TOM, HOW DOES NEGATIVELY GOING TO IMPACT YOU WITH FIVE KIDS AT HOME HAVING YOUR TRASH PICKED UP EVERY TWO WEEKS INSTEAD OF, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF, THERE'S ALL KIND OF ANGLES ON THIS THING, RIGHT? TRUCKS AREN'T DRIVING AS MUCH.
YOU'RE SAVING THE C O TWO EMISSIONS.
THESE TRUCKS ARE BIG DIESEL TRUCKS.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A SUSTAINABILITY IMPACT TO LESS DRIVING OF THESE TRUCKS AROUND.
ARE THEY GONNA OUTFIT THE HOMES WITH THE PROPER NUMBER OF BINS TO HOLD THAT MUCH? AND DOES THAT REALLY SAVE THEM? DO THEY HAVE TO JUST PUT MORE TRUCKS OUT ON THE ROAD AT THE SAME TIME VERSUS LESS TRUCKS OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME? LIKE HOW IS IT REALLY BEING, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT'S BEING SAVED UNLESS THERE'S LESS TRASH BEING GENERATED.
THERE'S ONLY X AMOUNT OF TRASH THAT FITS IN A TRUCK, SO YOU'RE NOT ACTUALLY REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF TRUCKS.
SO IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.
AND MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE THEY HAVE LESS DRIVERS, THEY CAN ROTATE 'EM DIFFERENTLY.
SOMETHING DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T PASS THE SNIFF TEST WITH ME BECAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT REDUCING YOUR WASTE, HOW DO YOU REDUCE THE NUMBER OF TRUCKS, WHETHER IT'S EVERY TWO WEEKS OR EVERY ONE WEEK AND WHERE THEY'RE POSITIONING 'EM, YOU STILL NEED THE SAME NUMBER OF TRUCKS AND DRIVERS.
AND IF YOU'RE NOT PAYING OVERTIME, I JUST, SOMETHING DOESN'T ADD UP TO ME IN MY HEAD.
I MEAN, WE WE'RE SWITCHING AND R H O A AND WE'RE GOING TO TRASH TWICE A WEEK, AND WE USED TO HAVE RECYCLING TWICE A WEEK ON THE SAME DAYS, AND NOW THEY'RE JUST GONNA PICK UP RECYCLING ONCE A WEEK, BUT THEY'RE GONNA OUTFIT US WITH A BIGGER RECYCLING CAN TO BE ABLE TO HOLD IT FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
I DON'T, WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S GOING ON INSIDE THESE BUSINESSES, IT DOESN'T, SOMETHING DOESN'T ADD UP TO ME.
ORIGINALLY WHEN THIS RECYCLING STARTED, THE TOWNSHIP USED TO HAND OUT THE BINS.
WE GOT GRANTS FOR THAT, ACTUALLY.
DID WE GET GRANTS FOR THAT? SO THE BOWLERS STILL HAVE THOSE GRANTS.
UH, TOWN I REPRESENT JUST SCOTT GRANT FOR, FOR A LITTLE BIT.
I MEAN, IF IT'S TRULY A DRIVER ISSUE, BUT STILL, YOU STILL HAVE TO PICK UP THE SAME AMOUNT OF TRASH.
WELL, BUT IF THEY'RE ONLY HITTING SOME NEIGHBORHOODS EVERY OTHER WEEK AS IT IS, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO DRIVE THE SAME NUMBER OF TRUCKS OF TRASH AROUND.
THE CAPACITY OF TRASH TO BE HAULED OFF IS NOT CHANGING.
AND THE TRUCK DOESN'T HOLD MORE.
EXCEPT THAT THE COMPANY, YOU, YOUR TRUCKS LESS DRIVERS, THE COMPANIES ARE SIMPLY NOT SHOWING UP HALF OF THE TIME.
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SO THE, THE THING IS, DO WE WANT TO ISSUE FINES AND THEN WORRY ABOUT COLLECTING THEM? THAT WAS WHAT CAME UP.HOW WE POLICE THAT IF THEY'RE ALREADY NOT HITTING HALF OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AT A TIME, MAYBE WE NEED TO TRY THIS OF, OF SAYING, OKAY, WELL WE'RE JUST GONNA LOOSEN UP OUR REQUIREMENTS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HIT THE COMPANY'S WITH FUNDS.
IS THAT CORRECT, TIM? IS THAT JOE? IT JUST PUTS US IN AN ENFORCEMENT DILEMMA.
IF, IF WE WERE TO REMOVE THE TRASH ORDINANCE ALL TOGETHER, JUST GET RID OF IT, UH, AND JUST ALLOW STATE LAW TO GOVERN THIS.
WHO, WHO, IF, IF THEY'RE NOT PICKING UP A, LET'S SAY IT GOES FROM TWO MONTHS WITHOUT, DOES THE STATE WHO, WHO ENFORCES THAT? I THINK THAT'S THE HEALTH YOU'D HAVE TO COUNTY.
WELL, THE COUNTY, WELL THE COUNTY HAS TO, THE COUNTY'S INVOLVED BECAUSE THE COUNTY HAS TO, UM, MAINTAIN A PLAN ASSURING THE STATE THAT THERE'S ALWAYS ENOUGH PLACES TO TAKE ALL THE TRASH.
THE RECYCLING END IS A REQUIREMENT FROM THE STATE THAT, THAT EVERYTHING BE PICKED UP, UM, AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH.
IF THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN, IT COULD, THAT COULD BE A COUPLE SNARES.
THEY COULD COME AFTER THE TOWNSHIP FOR NOT ENFORCING OR GO DIRECTLY AFTER THE HAULERS.
I'VE NEVER SEEN IT REALLY UNFOLD.
THERE'S NEVER BEEN THIS PROBLEM BEFORE.
I THINK ALL THEY'RE DOING IS SAYING IF THEY HAVE, IF THEY HAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND HOUSES THEY HAVE TO GO TO, IF THEY'RE, NOW THEY'RE DOING IT IN 14 DAYS WHEN THEY USED TO DO IT IN SEVEN.
THEY'RE ALL THE TRUCKS ARE RUNNING ALL THE TIME, BUT THEY'RE JUST GIVING THEMSELVES MORE TIME TO HIT THOSE A HUNDRED.
THEY'RE ABLE TO ROUTE THE LOGISTICS TO REDUCE THE MILEAGE.
AND I'VE HAD A COUPLE CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME OF THE DRIVERS.
I'VE BEEN IN COURT ON FINES AND, AND RELATED IT TO STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE INDICATED.
SO I GUESS IT'S SUPPOSED TO CHANGE OUR ORDINANCE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP ON THE TAIL AND GIVE THEM A FINE, I AS A GENERAL STATEMENT, YOU DON'T WANT THE TAIL WAG THE DOG AND USUALLY AND SAY, THESE PEOPLE CAN'T MEET THIS ORDINANCE, SO WE'LL JUST CHANGE THE ORDINANCE.
THAT'S THE HEARTBURN I HAVE WITH YOU.
I THINK THE PERCEPTION HERE IS THAT IT WAS A MORE WIDESPREAD PROFOUND PROBLEM, UM, THAT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO SOLVE ANY TIME SOON.
AND IT WAS STILL WITHIN THE 30 DAY PICKUP REQUIREMENT OF THE STATE.
AND SO IT GAVE THEM LEEWAY, IT GAVE THEM SOME LEEWAY WHETHER TO DO THAT.
BUT THAT WAS THE, THAT'S HOW IT WAS PROCESSED AT THE, AT THE STAFF LEVEL.
I I THINK EVENTUALLY THAT THE, THE MARKETPLACE WILL SOLVE THIS.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET RID OF HAULERS THAT AREN'T DOING THEIR JOB, NOT FULFILLING YOUR CONTRACT.
UM, I I JUST DON'T KNOW IF, IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP THESE OR, OR DO YOU LOOK AT TOWNSHIP PAULING? ARE THE WALLS SHAKING? ARE THE WALLS SHAKING THAT I I SAID THAT.
YEAH, BUT NOW YOU'RE TOWN CLOSE, BUT THERE'S SO MANY HOAS.
I MEAN, BUT WHAT PERCENT OF THE TOWNSHIP IS H HO A AND WHICH ONE IS NOT? IT'S EVEN IF I ACTUALLY KNOW THAT NUMBER.
WE TALKED ABOUT, WE TALKED ABOUT IT AT THE COMPLE MEETING.
IT'S, IT IS ABOUT 40% DETACHED HOMES ARE H O A CONTROL 40% HOA.
IT'S A TOTAL OF FIF A TOTAL OF 50% ARE H O A CONTROLLED, BUT THAT ALSO INCLUDES MULTI-FAMILY AND TOWNHOUSE.
WELL, IS IT WORTHWHILE TO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE OF ONE OF THE LOCAL COME IN AND EDUCATE US ON WHY THEY CAN'T PICK UP AS OFTEN? BECAUSE IT TRULY IS, IF IT TRULY IS A MILEAGE REDUCTION THING, THEY SOLVE THE LOGISTICS ISSUE.
THEY HAVE LESS DRIVERS FOR SAVING ON WAGES.
I, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I CAN COME UP WITH.
IF THEY'RE DRIVING LESS MILES AND THEY'RE BURNING LESS DIESEL AND THEY'RE PUTTING LESS C O TWO IN THE AIR, AND I, I CAN, I CAN KIND OF GET THERE, BUT WITHOUT KNOWING THAT I HAVE A HARD TIME CHANGING IT IN MY MIND WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING WHY.
I JUST DON'T KNOW THE WHY THERE IS, THERE IS AN INDEPENDENT, THERE'S AN ASSOCIATION THAT REPRESENTS THE HAULERS, AT LEAST IN SOME LOOSE WAY.
I COULD MAYBE REACH OUT TO THEM.
I KNOW THE ONE HAULER, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET THEM TO COME IN HERE AND EXPLAIN ANYTHING.
I'VE SPENT A LONG TIME ON HOLD.
I KNOW ALL THEIR BACKGROUND MEANS.
OTHER MUNICIPALITIES HAVEN'T SEEN ISSUES.
AND HOW ARE THEY HANDLING IT? UM, SO FAR? IT, IT, IT, IT, IT REACHED A POINT WHERE IT DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T GET WORSE THAN THAT.
WHICH I THOUGHT MIGHT, MIGHT BE A CASE HERE TOO.
NONE OF THEM HAVE BACKED UP FURTHER THAN STAGGERING THE RECYCLING AND THE TRASH PICKUP.
AND NONE, NEITHER OF THOSE GOES LONGER THAN TWO WEEKS.
I HAVEN'T SEEN, I'M NOT AWARE OF A PLACE WHERE IT'S GOTTEN WORSE THAN THAT.
IF THERE IS, I I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S NOT, BUT IT'S NOT NEW TO ME.
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ALLOWING THEM TO PICK UP THE TRASH EVERY TWO WEEKS.THEY'RE JUST DIVIDING BY MM-HMM.
THEY'RE JUST NOT ENFORCING THEIR ORDERS.
THEY'RE JUST NOT ENFORCING THEIR ONE.
IS IT LOWER NCE THAT HAS TRASH PICKUPS SINGLE HALL RIGHT NOW? AND YOU WANT TO ASK THEM HOW THAT'S WORKING? I, UM, THEY, THEY MISSED A FEW PICKUPS DURING COVID, BUT NONE WITHIN THE LAST TWO YEARS.
UM, ONE OF THE NUANCED THINGS THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN LOST IN THE WHOLE CONVERSATION IS THAT THE MOTIVE BEHIND SUGGESTING THAT THE ORDINANCE BE CHANGED FROM ONE WEEK TO TWO WEEKS, IS THAT, IS THAT THE ORDINANCES WRITTEN SUCH THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER IS IN VIOLATION, THE RESIDENT'S IN VIOLATION.
IF THEY'RE NOT HAVING IT PICKED UP ONCE A WEEK, WE'RE NOT ISSUING CITATIONS TO THE TRASH HAULER, BUT TO THE TEMP TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.
SO THAT WAS THE PRIMARY MOTIVATION BEHIND RELAXING THE REGULATION WHILE STEEL STILL KEEPING IT IN, YOU KNOW, CONSISTENT WITH THE STATE RULES.
I, I THINK WE OUGHT TO GO AHEAD AND, AND ADVERTISE FOR NEXT MONTH.
RIGHT? BECAUSE I, I DON'T WANT THE HOMEOWNERS TO, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO DATE HOMEOWNERS.
WELL, THE OTHER OPTION IS WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE DOING.
JUST, I DON'T KNOW, I'M ONLY THROWING THIS OUT THERE.
NOTFOR THE ONE WEEK I HOPE THAT WE GET OVER THIS.
I HOPE IT MAY IN SIX MONTHS THEY'LL FIGURE OUT THEIR EMPLOYMENT AND HIRE PEOPLE AND WE'LL BE THROUGH IT.
WELL DO WE, DO WE NEED TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE SO THAT THE HOMEOWNER IS NOT THE ONE FINE.
AS LONG AS YOU HAVE, AS LONG AS THEY HAVE THE CONTRACT WITH THE HAULER.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN CHANGE THAT.
IT'S AN OPTION FOR THE TOWN SHEETS DEALING.
YOU COULD STILL, I DID CLEAN UP THE ORDINANCE IN OTHER RESPECTS, LIKE IF YOU WANT STICK WITH THAT WAY AND NOT ENFORCE IT, WE CAN STILL GO BACK.
PUT, KEEP THE ONE WEEK IN THERE.
BUT I, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE A NEW ORDINANCE TO ADOPT TO CLEAN UP THE TOTALLY UNRELATED THINGS.
SO WE STILL SHOULD AUTHORIZE ADVERTISEMENT BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT CHANGE IF YOU WANT TO STAY WITH THE ONE WEEK AND NOT ENFORCE.
BUT YOU STILL SHOULD DO THE NEW ORDINANCE ANYWAY BECAUSE IT CLEANS UP OTHER THINGS.
SO THEN, SO THEN YOU'LL BRING WRITE THE ORDINANCE, THEN I LITERALLY JUST TAKE THE WORD TWO AND REPLACE IT WITH ONE IN FRONT OF THE WORD WEEK IF WE'RE DONE.
SO YOU WANT US TO PASS THE MOTION TONIGHT OR WAIT FOR THAT? WE DO.
WE HAVE TO AUTHORIZE AND ADVERTISE.
YOU CAN AUTHORIZE THE AD THAT IF I'M NOT SURE HOW MAJORITY FEELS, IF THE MAJORITY IS KEEPING IT ONE WEEK, BUT DON'T ENFORCE THEN MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE ADVERTISEMENT WITH THAT CHANGE.
AND I'LL CHANGE IT BEFORE, BEFORE CHARLOTTE PLACES THE AD.
YOU GUYS THINK THE WAY IT IS ONE WEEK AND YEAH.
AND SO WE BETTER UNDERSTAND THE WHY, RIGHT.
TO MAKE A BETTER INFORMED DECISION ON IT.
BUT I AGREE, WE'RE NOT GONNA DING HOMEOWNERS ON THIS THING.
WE'RE NOT, IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT.
YOU COULD ALWAYS CHANGE IT LATER.
AGAIN, YOU GOT SOME CLEANUP WORK TO DO ON CLEANUP WORK.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE ADVERTISEMENT OF A PROPOSED ORDINANCE PERTAINING TO TRASH AND RECYCLING COLLECTION.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND TO AUTHORIZE ADVERTISEMENT OF A PROPOSED ORDINANCE PERTAINING TO TRASH AND RECYCLING COLLECTION.
ALRIGHT, NUMBER 19, CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 32, UH, AMENDING THE 2023 CAPITAL OPERATING BUDGET AND AUTHORIZING THE PROCUREMENT OF TWO FIRE ENGINES.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I PASSED OUT A REVISED RESOLUTION, WHICH INCLUDED INCLUDES THE TRADE-IN LANGUAGE IN THERE FROM WHAT WAS IN YOUR POCKET.
WE'RE, WE'RE TRADING IN, UH, A TOWER TRUCK.
IT'S A, HELP ME OUT THE TERMINOLOGY.
IT'S A LADDER, IT'S A TOWER LADDER, RIGHT? WE'RE WE'RE PIERCE TOWER.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE BE PURCHASING THE, THE ORDINANCE IS TO PURCHASE TWO PIERCE ENGINES.
AND WITH THAT, UM, TO TRADE IN THE 2012 PIERCE TOWER LADDER THAT IS PRESENTLY HOUSED AT BLACKROCK'S FIREHOUSE.
UM, IT, IT, WE BELIEVE THAT BY TRADING IN THROUGH GLICK, OR I'M SORRY, IT WAS TRADING INTO PIERCE.
WE'RE GONNA TRADE IT INTO GLICK, WHO IS THE DEALER FOR PIERCE.
AND, AND WE CAN LEGALLY DO THAT.
WE'LL GET A FAR HIGHER VALUE THAN TRYING TO SELL THROUGH MINEA BID.
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THE, THE PAYMENT AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, UH, THE SALE TO, TO BUY THE TRUCKS IS SEPARATE THAN TURNING IN THE, THE, UH, THE TOWER LADDER THAT WOULD, ONCE WE DID THAT, THAT MONEY WOULD BE RETURNED BACK INTO THE CAPITAL REPLACEMENT, CAPITAL REPLACEMENT FUND.BUT THE, THE PURCHASE OF THE TWO ENGINES WOULD BE THROUGH THE, UH, ARPA MONEY.
SO WE'RE ADVANCING THE 1.9 IN THE ARPA FUNDS, BUT WE'LL BE GETTING A TRADE IN REIMBURSEMENT THAT'LL BRING THAT APPROPRIATION DOWN.
WHAT'S THE TOTAL COST OF THE TWO ENGINES? UH, 1.9, 1.9 1,000,900, $10,940.
AND THE LEAD TIME ON THESE TWO ENGINES IS THREE AND A HALF YEARS? CURRENTLY THREE AND A HALF YEARS.
SO WE BOTH OF 'EM BE DELIVERED AT THE SAME TIME? YES.
SO WE'RE GETTING RID OF A LADDER TO BRING IN TWO NEW ENGINES.
ASSUMING AT THAT POINT THE TWO NEW ENGINES COME IN, DOES ONE OF THE OLD ENGINES GO OUT OR DOES TWO, TWO OLD ENGINES GO OUT? SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE TWO OLDER ENGINES, UH, RIGHT NOW THAT ARE, ONE IS IN SERVICE AT BLACKROCK, THE SECOND IS THE, OUR RESERVE OR BACKUP ENGINE ACROSS THE STREET.
AND WE WOULD, WE WOULD REEVALUATE WHICH OF THE TWO THEN, UH, WOULD BE THE BETTER TO, TO SELL, UH, AT THREE AND A HALF YEAR MARK.
UM, IT, IT MAY BE AT THE TIME THAT IT'S, WE SELL THEM BOTH.
IT MAY BE THAT I, I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S TOO FAR OUT YET TO REALLY SITUATE WHERE THE TRUCKS, WHERE THE ENGINES WILL BE.
UH, WE, WE'VE LEARNED THE, THE REASON WE CAN SELL THE TOWER LADDER.
NOW, THERE'S A COUPLE REASONS BEHIND THIS.
UM, UH, STAFFING IS NOT ALLOWED TO GET ON THE ROAD AS, AS IT SHOULD.
SO IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT BEING, WE'RE NOT PUTTING IT IN A PLACE WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS WHERE IT SHOULD BE IN THE BEGINNING.
UM, AND IT, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, WE JUST REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO USE IT TO ITS CAPACITY.
UM, THE VALUE OF A USED FIRETRUCK TODAY IS HIGHER THAN IT'S EVER, EVER BEEN, AND PROBABLY EVER WILL BE MOVING FORWARD.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE EVERYBODY, THERE ARE, THERE ARE DEPARTMENTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY WHO ARE, WHO DESPERATELY NEED FIRE TRUCKS AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT A THREE TO A THREE AND A HALF YEAR WAIT TO GET A NEW ONE.
SO THE USED, THE USED MARKET IS WAY, WAY UP.
I THINK I RECALL YOU SAYING MAINTENANCE ON THIS IS HIGH.
THE MAINTENANCE IS HIGH ON THIS.
THE MAINTENANCE ON ANY LADDER TRUCK IS HIGH.
IT'S EVEN MORE SO ON THIS TRUCK BECAUSE OF ITS AGE, BUT BECAUSE IT'S NOT BEING RAN, UM, DIESELS WANT TO WORK.
SO WHAT'S THE SOLUTION IF A LADDER DEVIATED IS THERE, THERE'S OTHER, OTHER ONES.
SO I ASSUME IT'S LOW RISK GETTING RID OF THIS, BUT I ASSUME THERE'S A SOLUTION.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE DEPENDING ON MUTUAL AID.
SO, UM, SOME OF IT IS A IS HOPE.
UH, TRAP DOESN'T ALWAYS GET OUT WITH THEIR LADDER RIGHT AWAY.
PHOENIXVILLE IS, UH, IN A POSITION WHERE THEY'RE PURCHASING A NEW LADDER TRUCK.
THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO BE HIRING PEOPLE MOVING FORWARD.
UM, MY LONG-TERM PLAN IS TO BRING PHOENIX OIL IN, UH, SOONER.
UH, THEY RUN A GOOD CHUNK OF THE TOWNSHIP ALREADY.
WE WOULD PROBABLY INCREASE THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT WITH THE CAREER STAFF THERE AND THEM GETTING THEM ON THE ROAD FASTER, THAT PUTS 'EM IN A BETTER POSITION.
UM, SOME OF IT IS WE STAGE OUR APPARATUS WHEN WE'RE RESPONDING TO ALLOW A LADDER TRUCK TO GET CLOSE AND HOPE THAT THEY GET THERE IN TIME.
UM, OTHERWISE WE PULL GROUND LADDERS.
UM, WE JUST, IT TAKES MORE MANPOWER, IT TAKES MORE PEOPLE, IT TAKES LONGER TO GET, UH, UM, THE LADDER TRUCK WE NEED IS IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS, THIS IS OUR HIGHEST RISK.
THERE'S INDUSTRIAL DATA IN THE OAKS AREA, BUT OUR PEOPLE RISK, OUR HUMAN-LIKE RISK IS HERE AND THAT WILL ONLY CONTINUE TO INCREASE AS WE CONTINUE TO BUILD MORE APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND MORE, UH, IN THIS IMMEDIATE AREA.
SO WE LOOK AT LIMERICK, WE LOOK AT TRAPS.
TRAPS IS 24 YEARS OLD, I THINK.
THEY STRUGGLE TO GET IT OUTDOOR IN THE DAYTIME.
UM, SO, UH, IT, YEAH, SOMETIMES IT'S JUST PHOENIX.
THE ONE THINKING OF THE APARTMENTS JUST PUT, THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE HIGHER LIVING STRUCTURE AREA.
UM, THAT'S SUFFICIENT TO GET TO THE TOP FLOOR.
IT DEPENDS ON WHERE WE HAVE TO, WHAT, WHAT PART OF THE BUILDING WE HAVE TO GET TO.
SO NO, WE CAN'T REACH ALL THE BUILDINGS, ALL THE APARTMENTS IN THE BUILDING WITH THE LADDER TRUCK, REGARDLESS.
IT WOULDN'T MATTER WHAT LADDER TRUCK WE HAD.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S AGAIN, IT'S GROUND LADDERS.
WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD, UM, FIRE CODE IN THE TOWNSHIP.
UM, WE FORTUNATELY HAVE TWO FIRE MARSHALS THAT ARE REALLY GOOD AT KEEPING UP WITH THAT.
AND THE CREWS THAT ARE DOING THEIR DAILY INSPECTION OR THE DAILY INSPECTION, THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.
SO THEY'RE MAKING SURE THAT THE, THE STANDARDS ARE, ARE
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BEING MAINTAINED.THE SPRINKLER BUILDINGS, THE, THE, THE STANDARDS THAT WE'VE MET, UM, THAT'S ALL WORKS REALLY WELL IN OUR FAVOR.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS A RISK.
UM, IT IT, IT'S JUST A RISK THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO WEIGH THAT OUT BETWEEN THE TWO.
YOU KNOW, IF I HAD MY, IF I HAD MY WISH, I'D COME IN HERE AND TELL YOU WE'D PUT A STAFFED LADDER ACROSS THE STREET AND WE'D HAVE ALL THE, ALL THE ANSWERS.
BUT THAT, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY AND A LOT OF TIME AND A LOT OF PEOPLE.
AND, AND THAT'S NOT REALLY, UH, AN OPTION.
UM, WELL I THINK THE BIGGER RISK IS NOT ORDERING THESE AND HAVING AN ENGINE HAVE AN ISSUE IN TWO YEARS.
FROM, FROM OUR STANDPOINT ACROSS THE STREET, ABSOLUTELY WE ARE, WE'RE ONE BREAKDOWN, OR, OR ONE APP ONE PROBLEM.
THE, THE, THE EVERY QUARTER THE COST OF THE ENGINE GOES UP $25,000.
WE ARE ORDERING THE ALL, ALMOST THE EXACT SAME ENGINE THAT WE ORDER TWO YEARS AGO FOR $680,000.
UH, THERE WAS 15 MINOR CHANGES IN IT.
LIKE WE MOVED THE COUPLING FROM HERE TO THERE.
UM, AND WE, WE MOVED THE SEED OVER HERE THAT IT WAS, THERE WAS NOTHING MAJOR THAT WE BUILT ON IT.
SO WE WENT FROM $680,000 TO $955,000.
THAT'S AT THE DISCOUNT BECAUSE WE'RE PAYING FOR IT EARLY.
WE'RE PAYING FOR IT IN ADVANCE.
SO WE'RE SAVING OVER $300,000 BY SAVE, BY PAYING FOR IT IN ADVANCE.
WE CAN DO THAT BECAUSE WE'RE USING ARPA MONEY.
ARPA MONEY HAS A DEADLINE OF DECEMBER OF 2024 THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND ANYWAY ON SOMETHING.
SO IT, IT MAKES SENSE TO TAKE THE DISCOUNT THAT WE GET FOR THE EURO PURCHASE AND APPLY IT TOWARDS THE ARPA MONEY, WHICH WE HAVE TO SPEND ON SOMETHING ANYWAY.
UM, AND THEN REIMBURSE THE GENERAL FUND WITH THE TRADE-IN VALUE OF THE TOWER LADDER, WHICH IS SEPARATE THAN THE PURCHASE, BUT INCLUDED IN THE SAME ORDINANCE BECAUSE WE NEED PERMISSION FROM THE BOARD TO TRADE THAT IN BECAUSE IT'S MUNICIPAL OWNED.
WHAT ARE THE TWO NEW FIRE ENGINES? WHAT ARE WE ORDERING? WHICH DID WE ORDER? UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PUMPERS.
JUST LIKE THE ENGINE ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, SO THERE'RE, THERE'RE THEY'RE, THEY'RE, BUT THE ENGINE'S SET UP TO BE A RESCUE PUMPER.
SO WE HAVE RESCUE TOOLS ON IT AND WE HAVE, UM, STRUCTURAL AND, AND OTHER FIRE EQUIPMENT THAT'S PLACED ON IT.
SO, UM, IT'S NOT A BIG LARGE RESCUE TRUCK.
IF WE HAVE A MAJOR RESCUE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO COMPLETE EVERYTHING WITH THAT PIECE OF APPARAT.
BUT FOR WHAT WE NORMALLY SEE ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS WHERE WE HAVE TO OPEN A DOOR UP OR, OR PUSH A DASH BACK OR SOMETHING MINOR LIKE THAT, ALL THE TOOLS ARE ON THAT TRUCK.
EVERY FIRE CALL THAT WE GO TO, WE CARRY THE TOOLS ON THAT ENGINE AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BUYING TWO MORE OF THEM.
IT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO HAVE RESCUE TOOLS, WHICH WE HAVE RESCUE TOOLS.
IT GIVES THE ABILITY TO HAVE FIREFIGHTING EQUIPMENT.
WE HAVE THE FIRE FOOT EQUIPMENT.
SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO PURCHASE A LOT OF EQUIPMENT FOR THE TRUCK OTHER THAN WHAT OUR NORMAL REPLACEMENTS EQUIPMENT WOULD BE.
BUT WE ARE LOOKING TO PURCHASE THE APPARATUS TO PUT ALL THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE ON IT.
HOSE THAT KIND OF STUFF IS, IS, IS IN MY CAPITAL BUDGET MOVING FORWARD ANYWAY BECAUSE THERE'S A NORMAL REPLACEMENT VALUE THAT HAS, OR A NORMAL REPLACEMENT PLAN THAT IS INCLUDED IN THAT.
WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO REPLACE THAT.
THAT WILL, THAT'LL ALWAYS BE AN EXPENSE.
IT'S JUST HAPPENS TO BE BUILT INTO OUR NORMAL REPLACEMENT.
SO WE'RE NOT, IT'S JUST INTERESTING.
WE'RE GONNA DEPEND ON OUR NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE LADDER TRUCKS TO COVER IT.
'CAUSE WE'RE NOT EVEN ORDERING THE LADDER TRUCKS.
WE'RE JUST ORDERING THESE PUMPERS AND THEN WE MEET LIKE DAVE
WE HAVE TO COME FROM ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS.
SO EVERY BUILDING FIRE IN THE TOWNSHIP, EVERY SINGLE BUILDING ANYWHERE.
IF WE HAVE A BUILDING, IF A BUILDING FIRED DISPATCH RIGHT NOW, WE WOULD GET FIVE ENGINES FROM OUR ENGINE, 68 ACROSS THE STREET AND FOUR OTHER FIRE COMPANIES AND TWO LADDER TRUCKS FROM TWO ADDITIONAL FIRE COMPANIES.
SO I KNOW I CAN GET ONE TRUCK FROM EACH FIRE COMPANY.
SO I, WE CALL A BUILDING FIRE GETS SEVEN DIFFERENT FIRE COMPANIES THAT SEND EQUIPMENT TO ASSIST US ANYTIME WE HAVE A BUILDING FIRE THAT WAY WE CAN, FOR THE MOST PART GUARANTEE THAT I'M GONNA GET ALL THE EQUIPMENT HERE THAT I NEED.
SO WE'RE GONNA BRING TWO LADDERS, FIVE ENGINES.
SO WHEN YOU, SO THE COUNT, THE COUNTY KNOWS WHAT THE EQUIPMENT'S THERE AND THE COUNTY KNOWS WHEN THE FIRE IS AT SUCH AND SUCH A PLACE.
THE COUNTY KNOWS THAT THEY HAVE TO CALL IN, UH, IF, IF THEY HAVE TO CALL IN A LADDER TRUCK FOR SOME REASON THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE, THAT THAT FIRE THERE, THEY'RE GONNA, YOU'LL, YOU'LL NEED A LADDER TRUCK.
SO I BUILT OUT ALL THE, I BROKE THE WHOLE TOWNSHIP DOWN IN THE DIFFERENT ZONES.
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UM, 18 DIFFERENT ZONES.SO EVERY ZONE HAS, THIS IS THE ORDER OF THE ENGINES THAT I WANT AND THERE'S 20 ENGINES.
SO IF THE FIRST FIVE IS SOMEWHERE ELSE TO ANOTHER CALL, THEY'LL GO TO THE NEXT FIVE.
THERE'S 10 DIFFERENT LADDERS AND THE COUNTY HAS THAT IN THEIR COMPUTER.
SO YOU CALL, YOU PUT IN YOUR ADDRESS AND YOU SAY, I'M AT THIS ADDRESS.
THE, THE CAD, THE, THE COMPUTER AIDED DISPATCH COMES UP AND SAYS, SEND THESE FIVE ENGINES AND THESE TWO LADDERS TO THIS ADDRESS BECAUSE THERE'S A BUILDING FIRE THERE.
SO THE 9 1 1 CENTER AUTOMATICALLY KNOWS WHO THEY'RE SENDING.
IF ONE OF THEM IS, ONE OF THEM IS ON ANOTHER CALL OUT OF SERVICE NOT AVAILABLE, IT SKIPS RIGHT OVER THEM AND GOES TO THE NEXT ONE IN LINE CALL FOR A SECOND ALARM AND LOOKS AT THE NEXT ENGINE'S IN LINE, THE NEXT LADDER IN LINE, IT SENDS THEM AUTOMATICALLY.
SO YEAH, THAT'S ALL BUILT INTO THEIR COMPUTER AND BY THE DISPATCHER SIMPLY KEYING IT IN.
THEY'RE NOT SELECTING IT, THEY'RE NOT PICKING IT.
WE SELECTED IT, WE BUILT IT OUT, WE SENT IT TO THEM AND THEN THEY PUT IT INTO THE COMPUTER.
I JUST DON'T WANT TO EVER HAVE A SITUATION COME WHERE, YOU KNOW, OH, UPPER PROVIDENCE, YOU KNOW, WE PAY ALL OF THIS FIRE, YOU KNOW, FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES TAX AND, AND THEY HAD A FIRE AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE A TRUCK THERE.
IT'S LIKE, BUT THE COUNTY, AGAIN, COUNTY HAS ALL THIS INFORMATION.
THE COUNTY KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT TO SEND THERE.
SO WHEN, WHEN, WHEN FIRE CALL COMES IN AND YOU GUYS RESPOND AT THAT SAME TIME, IF, IF IF FIRE, IF A LADDER TRUCK IS NEEDED, THAT FIRE, THAT LADDER TRUCK WILL SHOW UP.
THIS IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME TIME THAT YOU GUYS DO OR IT'LL SHOW UP SHORTLY AFTER HOPEFULLY, YES.
UM, WE'RE STAFFED SO WE'RE GETTING, YEAH, I MEAN WE'RE GETTING THERE EIGHT TO 10 MINUTES AHEAD OF EVERYBODY ELSE.
YOUR RESPONSE TIME IS INCREDIBLE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH.
AND, AND THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD BE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE STANDARD I BUILD ON 'EM IS I WANT 'EM ON THE ROAD IN A MINUTE AND A HALF AND THEY STICK PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT.
SO WE, WE ARE ARRIVING ON LOCATION HERE, WE'RE ARRIVING ON LOCATION VERY SOON.
THE, THE CLOSER WE ARE OF COURSE TO THE STATION, THE FASTER WE ARE AND THE SOONER WE GET THERE BEFORE EVERYBODY ELSE, THE FARTHER AWAY, THERE'S A BETTER CHANCE THAT WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER COMPANY COMING IN SHORTLY AFTER US.
BUT WE HAD A BUILDING FIRE GRAPHIC PACKAGING.
WE WERE THERE FOR 15 MINUTES BEFORE THE NEXT TWO GOT THERE.
IT WAS JUST THE TIME OF THE DAY.
THE VOL, YOU KNOW, WE, WE KNOW THAT THE, THE VOLUNTEER STRUGGLES.
UM, AND IT JUST, IT, WE NEVER KNOW GOING INTO A CALL HOW MANY WE'RE GOING TO GET AND WHO WE'RE GONNA GET FROM SOMEBODY ELSE.
UM, I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA WHAT WE'RE GETTING AND THAT'S WHY WE BUILT THE SINGLE PULL SYSTEM LIKE WE DID BECAUSE FOR THE MOST PART ASSURES US THAT WE'LL HAVE ENOUGH I CAN DO MOST WITH FOUR ENGINES.
SO THE FIFTH IS A JUST IN CASE.
UM, BUT YEAH, IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS KIND OF A, WE HOPE THIS IS THE BEST PLAN, FORTUNATELY BECAUSE WE WERE GETTING THERE SO FAST AND, AND BETWEEN, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE OFFICERS, THE VOLUNTEER OFFICERS THAT ARE LIVING AND RESPONDING IN THE TOWNSHIP AND TOM AND I RESPONDING TO THE CALLS IN THE TOWNSHIP, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT GETTING THERE, GIVING US AN EARLY REPORT.
WE CAN MAKE REALLY QUICK DECISIONS IF WE NEED TO ADD ADDITIONAL RESOURCES RELATIVELY EARLY INTO A, INTO AN INCIDENT AND WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS ON THE FLY.
UM, AND FOR THE MOST PART THAT WORKS REALLY WELL.
AND, AND EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE IT DOESN'T.
BUT UM, FORTUNATELY WE, WE, WE WORK IN A SYSTEM THAT, THAT WE'RE, WE ADAPT VERY QUICKLY TO MAKE WHATEVER CHANGES WE HAVE TO THROUGH AREAS OF THE TOWNSHIP DON'T HAVE HOT JOBS.
WE HAVE TO CALL TANKERS IN FROM OUR MUTUAL AID COMPANIES.
AND THAT'S AGAIN BUILT INTO THAT CAD.
SO THEY'RE COMING AUTOMATICALLY.
JUST TAKES A WHILE FOR 'EM TO GET THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, THANK YOU CHIEF.
THANK GOD YOU WERE A JUGGLER YOUR PREVIOUS.
ALRIGHT, UM, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'M MIKE, A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 20 23 32 AMENDING THE 2023 CAPITAL AND OPERATING BUDGET AND AUTHORIZING THE PROCUREMENT TWO FIRE ENGINES.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADOPT RESOLUTION.
2023 DASH 32 AMENDING THE UH, 2023 CAPITAL AND OPERATING BUDGET AND AUTHORIZING THE PROCUREMENT OF TWO FIRE ENGINES.
ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU SO MUCH.
[MANAGER AND DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS]
NOW WE'RE DOWN TO MANAGER AND DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS, AND, UH, LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GONNA HEAR BACK.YEAH, IT SEEMS TO BE ONE NIGHT,
UM, SO, UH, I'M SURE MOST OF YOU'RE AWARE THAT THE FLOODGATES WERE DOWN ON THE WEBSITE.
UM, WHAT, WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW IS THAT THE FLOOD GAUGES WERE NEVER NOT WORKING.
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WERE ALWAYS WORKING PROPERLY.WE JUST WEREN'T GETTING THE ABLE TO GET THE INFORMATION OUT ONTO OUR WEBSITE.
SO IF THE FLOOD GAUGES GOT TO ANY OF THE ALERT STAGES THAT WE HAVE DETERMINED IN THEM, WE WERE GETTING NOTIFIED.
UM, THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S ACTUALLY A WHOLE LIST OF US GETTING NOTIFIED
SO THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS WE CAN GET THE, THE MESSAGES OUT THROUGH REDMONT TO THE RESIDENTS.
SINCE THEN, UM, DAN SCHAFER'S BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD WITH THE CONTRACTOR THAT WE GOT THE FLOOD GAUGES FROM.
UM, HE'S, THAT CONTRACTOR IS, IS TAKING OVER THE WEBSITE PART OF IT AND THE INFORMATION GOING OUT FROM IT.
HE'S ALSO GONNA START A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM WITH THAT, WHICH WE'VE NEVER REALLY DONE IN THE PAST AND WE PROBABLY REALLY SHOULD BE DOING.
UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF INVESTMENT IN THE GAUGES, SO, UM, WE'LL BE DOING A YEARLY INVE, UM, MAINTENANCE PROGRAM ON THEM.
SO, UH, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE, IT'S, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT HAD BEEN ON OUR WEBSITE BEFORE, UM, THROUGH THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SITE, UH, WHICH IS THROUGH THE DEPARTMENTS ON THE WEBSITE.
THIS IS ONE OF THE PAGES THAT'LL COME UP.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE SKU'S RUNNING AT 6.58 FEET.
THAT'S WHERE IT NORMALLY RUNS.
AND THE PER PROCUREMENT RUNS AT ABOUT TWO FEET WHERE THE FLOOD GAUGE THEY'RE, THAT'S THAT WAY ALMOST ALL THE TIME.
UM, WE LIST IT NEXT TO IT, WHAT THE DIFFERENT, UM, THE INFORMATION THAT'S CRITICAL OR, OR THAT THE PEOPLE SHOULD BE KNOWING ABOUT AND THE, THE OPTIONS AND THINGS THAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING DURING THOSE FLOOD STAGES.
UM, AND WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO START SENDING NOTIFICATIONS OUT THROUGH READY MOCO AT THE 17 FEET TO 21 FEET FOR THE SCHULL AND THE 13 FEET AND 15 FEET ON THE PERKY.
UH, SO ANYBODY WHO'S REGISTERED UNDER UNDER THE READY MOCO SYSTEM IS GOING TO GET A NOTIFICATION THAT THE, THE FLOOD IS THE, THE RIVER OR THE CREEK IS FLOODING.
UH, AND THEY SHOULD START TO TAKE WHETHER IT'S EITHER, UM, SOME SORT OF ACTION OR AT LEAST START MONITORING IF THEY'RE IN THE AREA WHERE THEY LIVE THERE.
UH, WITH READY MONTCO, THE, THERE'S BEEN A FEW ADJUSTMENTS THROUGH THE COUNTY LEVEL THAT, UH, WE WEREN'T, WE'RE NO LONGER JUST TARGETING UPPER PROVINCE OF MONTCLAIR, SO IT'LL GO OUT TOWNSHIP WIDE IF YOU'RE REGISTERED FOR IT.
SO, UM, IT'LL, YOU'LL KNOW NOT TO DRIVE THROUGH THIS WAY THAT THE ROADS ARE FLOODING.
IT SHOULD, PLEASE DON'T DRIVE, YOU KNOW, THE TURNAROUND DON'T DROWN IS SUCH A, IS SUCH A SIMPLE RULE TO FOLLOW.
YET EVERY SINGLE FLOOD WE'RE OUT TAKING PEOPLE OUT OF CARS WHO THOUGHT THAT THEY COULD DRIVE THROUGH THE WATER EVERY SINGLE TIME.
IT FLOODS, UM, EVERY SINGLE TIME.
SO, UH, THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER, UM, DAN, DAN AND WORKED ON THE WEBSITE.
THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER SITES YOU PUT ON THERE.
UH, YOU CAN CONTACT THE, UH, YOU CAN, YOU CAN CONTACT WITH THE SITE THAT, UH, ALLOWS YOU TO LOOK AT THE FLOOD GAUGES THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE AREA, AND YOU CAN OVERLAY RADAR ON IT.
YOU CAN SEE THE PREDICTIONS ON THAT.
UM, HE'S DONE A LOT OF WORK TO UPDATE A LOT MORE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE ON THERE.
UM, BUT THE IMPORTANT PART ABOUT ALL THIS IS THAT THE STEPS THAT WE HAD TAKEN BEFORE THAT WE SEEM TO HAVE LOST OUR, OUR BACK AND WORKING BETTER.
UM, WE'VE ALSO DONE SOME WORK ON THE WEATHER STATION THAT WE HAVE THAT'S HERE ON THE TOWNSHIP.
IT'S MOUNTED ON TOP OF THE POLICE GARAGE.
UM, WE'VE GOT THE FLOOD, THE, THE, UH, WATER GAUGES WORKING IN IT PROPERLY.
UM, IT'S A VERY CLOUDY PICTURE OF THE SKATE PARK, IF YOU'VE LOOKED AT THE, THE PICTURE AT ALL.
UH, WE KNOW WHY NOW WE, UH, HAVE PARTS THAT WE'VE ORDERED TO CORRECT THAT.
UM, SO WE SHOULD HAVE A CLEAR PICTURE MOVING FORWARD WITH IT.
IT'S, IT'S AN OLDER CAMERA, BUT IT WAS RELATIVELY INEXPENSIVE TO TO CORRECT.
AND THE OTHER INFORMATION, THE WINDS GAZED AND ALL THAT'S NOW WORKING PROPERLY.
UH, DAN HAS ALL THAT WORKING PROPERLY AND OR, UH, AND ALL UP THERE WORKING.
SO, UH, WE'VE MADE SOME REALLY GOOD PROGRESS WITH THAT.
AND I LIKE THE PLAIN ENGLISH DESCRIPTION OF, OF THESE FLOOD STAGES BECAUSE I, AS I REMEMBER LOOKING AT IT BEFORE, I'M LIKE, WELL, WHAT DOES ANY OF THIS MEAN, MAN? THIS IS CLEAR.
YEAH, WE, WE TOOK WHAT WE, TOOK WHAT WE HAD, UM, AND WE'VE, WE'VE, HE'S WORKED IT THROUGH A LITTLE BIT AND WE WORKED, WORKED TO TRY AND MAKE IT, UM, WELL, MORE USER FRIENDLY AS, YOU KNOW, AS WE LEARN, WE, WE MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO CAN A RESIDENT OF THE TOWNSHIP RIGHT NOW GO TO OUR WEBSITE AND SEE WHAT THE GAUGES READ? YES.
THIS IS, THIS IS, HE'S ON THE WEBSITE.
THIS IS OUR WEBSITE RIGHT HERE THAT, THAT WE'RE SHOWING.
THAT'S SO RIGHT NOW THEY CAN GO ON THERE AND SEE.
IF YOU GO ON OUR WEBSITE, CLICK FLOOD GAUGES.
THIS IS THE PAGE YOU'LL COME TO.
IF YOU GO IN THE DEPARTMENTS AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, YOU'LL GET ALL THE OTHER PAGES THAT, THAT ARE ADDED ON.
BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE BUTTONS ON THE FRONT.
IF IT'S CALLED A BUTTON, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE CALLED.
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OH, WHAT IS IT? A WIDGET.UH, SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE TOWNSHIP, UH, WEBSITE.
AND THAT WIDGET OVER THERE THAT SAYS FLOOD GAUGES, WHEN YOU CLICK ON THAT COMES TO THE PAGE YOU WERE JUST LOOKING AT.
WANT TO GIVE AN UPDATE? JOHN? YOU CAN GIVE A BRIEF UPDATE.
I, AND I DID SPEAK TO LINDA ROONEY.
I KNOW THAT SHE'S LINDA AND SUE YOU ARE WORKING ON A TEAM, BUT I, LINDA DID GIVE ME, UH, AN UPDATE.
ONE, ONE THING WE'RE TRYING TO DO, UH, JOHN, YOU MAY KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS, IS WE'RE TRYING TO GET AN INTERFACE ON OUR WEBSITE TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO, TO UM, CONTRIBUTE MORE, UH, CONTRIBUTE EASIER.
UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THEY'RE TRYING TO WORK ON.
AND I, I KNOW THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON A VENDOR PROSPECT LIST.
UM, AND SO THINGS THAT SEEM TO BE MOVING FORWARD FROM WHAT LINDA TOLD ME, UM, AND I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN OUT.
YEAH, I'VE BEEN OUT HANGING ON TOUR AND, AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, TIM.
I, 'CAUSE I, I PERSONALLY WENT ON TO THE CONTRIBUTION WEBSITE LAST NIGHT TO, FOR ME TO PERSONALLY MAKE A CONTRIBUTION.
AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS NOT TOO CUMBERSOME.
BUT IF I, I THOUGHT IT WOULD'VE BEEN A LOT EASIER IF WE COULD HAVE JUST, I COULD JUST GONE ON THERE AND PLUGGED IN MY, MY CREDIT CARD NUMBER AND BANG, EVERYTHING WAS TAKEN CARE OF.
UM, AND I, AND I ALSO THINK THAT THAT THE, UM, IT SHOULD BE, UM, AND IT, IT SAYS WHAT, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF SPONSOR DO YOU WANT? WELL, AFTER, ONCE YOU GET MY CHECK, IT DOESN'T TELL YOU WHAT, UNLESS I HAVE PRINTED OUT THAT FORM AND YOU GET EVERYTHING.
IT'S JUST, I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT CLUNKY.
UM, AND EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE GOING ALONG FINE AS FAR AS I KNOW.
UM, UH, I KNOW THAT, UH, SUE'S AWAY.
UM, UH, I, I THINK THAT EVERY MONTH WE'VE HAD A MEETING, I THINK IT'S GONNA COME DOWN, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS WILL BE LIKE MAYBE EVERY OTHER WEEK THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MEETING UNTIL THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.
UM, UM, I, I ALREADY ASKED THE CHIEF ABOUT GETTING ME A COPY OF THE, UM, A A BETTER COPY OF THE, THE, THE PROCESSION.
UM, I, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEBODY ABOUT GETTING THE SCHOOLS OVER THERE.
MAYBE IT WAS DAN I SPOKE TO ABOUT, ABOUT, UH, BECAUSE HE'S, HE'S WORKING ON THIS WITH THE SCHOOLS PROBLEM WITH SPRINGPORT, IS HE, DAN TOLD ME THAT, UH, IT MIGHT BE TRANSPORTATION MIGHT BE AN ISSUE.
WHY WE DON'T GET A LOT MORE PEOPLE FROM SPRINGPORT SCHOOLS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW OTHER SCHOOLS WILL, WILL DEAL WITH THAT.
UM, I'M, I'M DISAPPOINTED IN THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR KIDS TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS AND, UM, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO FIND OUT ABOUT IT JUST BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SCHOOL BOARD COULDN'T SEE FIT TO THROW UP A COUPLE DOLLARS FOR SOME TRANSPORTATION HERE.
UM, LET SEE WHAT ELSE I GOT DOWN HERE.
UM, I I, I, LAST WEEK I HAD A, A REFERRAL LAST WEEK I GOT A A, AN EMAIL FROM SOMEBODY FROM SS A WOMAN FROM S E I ABOUT VOLUNTEERS.
UM, THE OTHER DAY I GOT A, TODAY I GOT A, AN EMAIL FROM COMCAST WHO WAS WILLING TO PICK UP A WHOLE DAY'S WORTH OF VOLUNTEERISM.
I HANDED THAT OVER TO GILLY WHO WAS IN CHARGE OF THE VOLUNTEERS.
UM, AND I'M SURE ALL OF THESE OTHER SMALLER ELEMENTS WILL COME TOGETHER IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.
UM, I'M GETTING KIND OF ANTSY BECAUSE IT'S GETTING CLOSER AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE IT ALL TOGETHER RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
CAN I SEE WHAT COMCAST DONATE? BECAUSE IT'S A WHOLE OTHER PART IS THE DONATION PART? WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO DONATE.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S THE SAME WAY WITH SS E I I I, I TAKE OVER THE INFORMATION TO ALL THESE MAJOR PLAYERS AND I GIVE THEM THE INFORMATION.
I GIVE THEM MY PERSONAL CONTACT INFORMATION.
AND WHAT I'M GETTING IS A LOT OF VOLUNTEER COMMENTS, BUT NOT SO MUCH.
WELL, YEAH, WE'D LIKE TO DONATE TO THE CAUSE DON'T ASK ME WHY.
I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
UM, UM, I, I, THANKS TO BRIAN, HE GAVE ME A LIST OF SOME PEOPLE TO REACH OUT TO.
I SENT THEM THAT LETTER THAT THOSE LETTERS WENT OUT TODAY, BRIAN.
UM, SO YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S COMING ALONG.
UM, I, AND, AND SUE'S HAPPY WHERE IT IS.
SHE SEEMS TO THINK THAT HER CONVERSATIONS WITH KATHY MILLER, WHO WAS WITH THE VV MF, THAT, UM, THAT WE'RE RIGHT ON SCHEDULE WITH EVERYTHING.
BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE A FEW MORE VOLUNTEERS AND, AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE
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A GOOD AMOUNT OF VOLUNTEERS.I JUST DON'T THINK THAT A LOT OF THEM ARE ALREADY SIGNED UP.
SOME, I THINK MIKE, DID YOUR GUYS SIGN UP YET? AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT NOW.
UM, BECAUSE, UM, I DIDN'T WANT TO FOR A COUPLE REASONS.
I, I, RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE UNTIL THE END, THE AUGUST TO GET BACK TO ME THEIR, THEIR FINAL LIST.
UM, SO I'M STILL WAITING ON, I'M WAITING ON A LIEUTENANT COLONEL TO GIVE PERMISSION FOR THE ARMORY.
SO THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD LIST COMING FROM THAT.
UM, AND JOHN, AUGUST, AUGUST IS A SMALL MONTH.
I THINK ONCE WE GET, ONCE SCHOOL GETS TO SESSION, I THINK SEPTEMBER WE'LL GET A LITTLE BIT MORE ACTIVITY.
WELL, HOPEFULLY THAT OPENS IT UP.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THE KIDS THERE.
YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A BUDGET TO DEAL WITH JUST LIKE WE DO.
SO, UM, THEY COULD MAKE IT A FIELD TRIP, NOT JUST, WELL, FIELD TRIP, ACCORDING TO DAN, NOW, THIS WAS DAN'S COMMENT.
HE SAID HE TOOK 20 SOME GUYS TO SOME KIND OF A, I FORGET WHAT IT WAS A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
AND THE, THE BUS, THE BUS, THAT ONE BUS AND THAT ONE BUS TRIP COST $900 TO GET THOSE GUYS OVER TO THIS.
SOME KIND OF TRAINING THING THEY WENT TO, I THOUGHT.
AND, UM, THAT, THAT WAS THE $500 FOR ONE BUS.
IMAGINE IF, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A BUNCH, YOU KNOW, SIX CLASSES THAT ARE GONNA COME OVER FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
IT'S LIKE, LIKE FIVE GRAND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, UH, I, I, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY, I I, I THINK IT'S ALL JUST GONNA COME TOGETHER.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THE, IT, EVERY, EVERYTHING WORKS OUT.
WE'LL KEEP THIS ON MANAGER'S REPORT FOR NEXT MONTH TO KEEP, KEEP EVERYBODY UPDATED.
I, I, I JUST THINK OF, UH, I GO, I GO TO BED THINKING OF IT.
I GET UP THINKING OF IT, LIKE, AND I SAID, I CAN'T WAIT TILL THIS.
I, I, I, I LOVE HAVING THIS EVENT HERE.
THIS IS, THIS IS VERY AWESOME.
UM, UM, IT, IT MEANS A LOT TO ME TO HAVE IT HERE.
AND I, I'M, I'M THRILLED TO HAVE IT HERE, BUT IT IS A HEADACHE.
THANK YOU JOHN, FOR I WORK ON THIS.
[CONSULTANT REPORTS]
ALRIGHT.I CAN GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE UNDER NO.
JEN, UH, ENGINEERING AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
I DON'T THINK IT'S A BUDGETED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, BUT THE, UM, PUMP STATION AT TAYLOR FARM PARK IS GOING TO BE STARTING DESIGN.
AND, UH, ALRIGHT, WE GOT, UH, WE'VE GOT ONE BIG ESCROW FOR THIS MONTH TO RELEASE FOR THE RESIDENCE AT, UH, PROVIDENCE AND RELEASE NUMBER THREE.
EVERYTHING'S GOOD WITH THAT? YEAH, EVERYTHING'S FINE.
SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MONTHLY DEVELOPER IMPROVEMENT GUARANTEE REDUCTION LIST AS FOLLOWS, RESIDENCE AT PROVIDENCE RELEASE NUMBER THREE IN THE AMOUNT OF $2,355,926 AND 6 CENTS.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO, UH, TO APPROVE THE MONTHLY DEVELOPMENT, UH, DEVELOPER IMPROVEMENT GUARANTEE REDUCTION LIST AS FOLLOWS.
ONE ITEM, ITEM A RESIDENCE AT PROVIDENCE RELEASE NUMBER THREE IN THE AMOUNT OF $2,355,926 AND 6 CENTS.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
AND, UH, WE HAVE THE SOLICITOR REPORT.
ANYTHING MR. SOLICITOR? NOTHING ADDITIONAL TONIGHT.
[SUPERVISORS COMMENTS]
NOW IT'S TIME FOR SUPERVISOR'S COMMENTS.IF I MIGHT, IF I MIGHT SAY SOMETHING.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S ABOUT THE WALL.
UM, I, I THINK THINGS WOULD'VE BEEN A LITTLE BIT BETTER HAD WE PUT UP THE, THE SIGNUP GENIUS ON ONLINE RIGHT AWAY INSTEAD OF WAITING UNTIL SEPTEMBER.
I KNOW SUE WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL SEPTEMBER, BUT, UM, SIGNUP GENIUS ALLOWS YOU TO PICK A TIME WHEN YOU GO ON TO, TO THERE.
YOU CAN PICK AN EXACT TIME AND IF YOU AND A FRIEND WANT TO PULL, PULL A, A SHIFT TOGETHER, YOU CAN PUT, YOU CAN PUT, PUT, YOU CAN PUT TOGETHER ON THE SAME SHIFT.
AND I'M SURE THAT'LL COME ABOUT.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
BUT SHE KNOWS WHAT SHE'S DOING.
JUST MY GENERAL BUGABOOS IS ON THE, YOU KNOW, RECYCLING PLASTIC AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND I KNOW IT'S NOT EASY FOR EVERYBODY TO GO OUT AND JUMP ON THIS BANDWAGON, BUT START
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SMALL.START WITH WHAT CAN YOU CHANGE THAT'S A SMALL CHANGE TO MAYBE LEAD INTO MORE OTHER SMALL CHANGES.
LIKE MAYBE START WITH NOT BUYING BOTTLED WATER TO BEGIN WITH AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO TRY AND RECYCLE THOSE BOTTLES THAT AREN'T GOING TO GET RECYCLED.
USE A RECYCLE, USE A REUSABLE WATER BOTTLE.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE FLAVOR OF YOUR MUNICIPAL WATER, FIGURE OUT A WAY TO FLAVOR IT WITH LEMON JUICE OR SOMETHING.
FIGURE OUT ONE THING THAT YOU CAN CHANGE IN YOUR HABITS THAT WILL REDUCE YOUR PLASTIC CONSUMPTION.
SECOND ON OPEN SPACE AND PARKHOUSE IS, PARKHOUSE IS NO LONGER OPEN SPACE.
IT HAS NOT BEEN OPEN SPACE SINCE THE COUNTY SOLD IT.
IT IS SIMPLY UNDEVELOPED LAND.
UM, THE OWNER HAS THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP IT.
THE MUNICIPALITY IS LIMITED TO, IF TRYING TO BUY IT IN ANY WAY IS LIMITED TO THE APPRAISED VALUE, WHICH AT THIS MOMENT IS AROUND 50 PLUS MILLION DOLLARS, WE DON'T HAVE THAT MONEY TO DO THAT.
LOOKING FOR STATE MONEY AND OTHER GRANT MONEY IS NOT GOING TO BRING US UP TO 50 MILLION.
EMINENT DOMAIN REQUIRES A PURCHASE.
IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF GOING IN THERE AND PLANNING THE FLAG AND SAY IT'S NOW MINE.
AND, UM, WE HAVE LOOKED AT OTHER POSSIBLE OPTIONS FOR DEALING WITH THIS PROPERTY.
THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT THE COUNTY DUMPED ON US AND WE'RE LEFT HOLDING THE BAG.
WE'RE HAVING TO MAKE, WE, WE, IT'S AN BOATLOAD OF LEMONS THAT WE NOW HAVE TO MAKE LEMONADE WITH.
PLEASE UNDERSTAND, WE HAVE BEEN DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN.
SINCE THIS PROBLEM CAME UP, PLEASE HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING AND AND APPRECIATION FOR HOW MUCH WORK WE ARE ACTUALLY DOING REGARDING PARK HOUSE.
ANYBODY ELSE? ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA FINISH UP WITH JUST A QUICK COMMENT.
UH, THE POLICE CHIEF GAVE US ALL A COPY OF, OR A REPORT CALLED BUS PATROL 2022 THROUGH 2023.
AND THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE CAMERA PROGRAM THAT WE PUT ON OUR BUSES TO CATCH PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING AROUND THE BUSES.
WHEN THE STOP SIGN IS EXTENDED AND THE BAR IS OUT, THE RED LIGHTS ARE FLASHING.
DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN MISS IT.
IT'S A BIG YELLOW BOX SITTING IN FRONT OF YOUR CAR.
SO ANYWAY, I WAS HOPING WE, WE HAD A, WE LAST OCTOBER, WE HAD 130 VIOLATIONS IN ONE MONTH.
AND, UH, I WAS, I WAS HOPING THAT IT WAS GONNA REDUCE AS WE WENT THROUGH THE YEAR AND PEOPLE BECAME AWARE.
BUT THEN I LOOK AT MAY OF THIS YEAR RIGHT BEFORE SCHOOL GOT OUT AND WE WERE BACK UP TO 122 VIOLATIONS IN THIS TOWNSHIP.
OKAY, THAT'S 200, UH, $230,000 WORTH OF FINES PLUS, UH, 776 VIOLATIONS TOTALED DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR.
OLD DRIVERS, EVERYONE IN YOUR FAMILY WHO DRIVES A CAR, REMIND THEM THAT SCHOOL STARTS NEXT MONTH.
AND YOU MUST STOP WHEN THE SCHOOL BUS HAS A STOP SIGNS OUT AND THE RED LIGHT FLASHING, YOU MUST STOP.
YOU CANNOT PASS THE BUS FOR ANY REASON UNTIL DAYS RETRACT.
OKAY? AND, UH, I, I'M JUST REALLY AFRAID THIS IS JUST MONEY AND, YOU KNOW, I, IT'S FINE AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA MAKE ALL THIS MONEY, BUT I DON'T WANT TO CHILD TO BE KILLED.
AND, AND, AND I IMAGINE THAT THE DRIVER THAT THAT HAPPENS TO, IT WILL DESTROY THEIR LIFE.
LIKE IT MAY DESTROY THEIR CHILD'S LIFE.
[UPCOMING EVENTS]
AND I'M GONNA GO OVER THE LAST, UH, OVER THE FUTURE SCHEDULE HERE REAL QUICK.UPCOMING EVENTS, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETINGS.
OUR NEXT MEETING IS ON SEPTEMBER 18TH, AND THEN IN THE MONTH OF OCTOBER, WE MEET ON THE 16TH, SEVEN O'CLOCK RIGHT HERE.
UH, PLANNING COMMISSION HAS A MEETING SCHEDULED SEPTEMBER 6TH AND SEPTEMBER 20TH.
AND, UH, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BEGINNING TO, UH, DISCUSS VARIOUS PIECES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE'LL BE PASSING, HOPEFULLY LATE THIS YEAR, EARLY, LATE.
I DIDN'T GET THIS TO CHERYL, BUT SEPTEMBER'S FIRST MEETING WILL BE ABOUT LAND USE.
OKAY? AND THE SECOND MEETING WILL BE TRAFFIC AND SANITARY AND CIVIL STUFF.
IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, IN, UH, HOW WE MAKE PLANS IN THE TOWNSHIP.
AND THIS WILL EVENTUALLY GO ON OUR COMPREHENSIVE 10 YEAR PLAN.
UH, ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT EARLIER TONIGHT.
THEY ARE READING ON SEPTEMBER 20TH AT 6:00 PM RIGHT HERE.
PARKS AND REC COMMITTEE MEETS, UH, SEPTEMBER 13TH, SIX O'CLOCK.
RIGHT HERE, MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY.
THEIR NEXT MEETING IS OCTOBER 5TH, SEVEN O'CLOCK RIGHT HERE.
AND THE ZONING HEARING BOARD HAS THREE HEARINGS
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SCHEDULED AT THIS TIME.UM, AUGUST 22ND, UH, SEPTEMBER 11TH AND SEPTEMBER 9TH, ALL AT SEVEN O'CLOCK.
AND, UH, THE FIRST ONE, AUGUST 22ND, WILL BE ON THE JACOB STREET PROJECT THIS SEPTEMBER 11TH AMELIA STREET.
AND, UH, SEPTEMBER 19TH WILL BE ON THE, UH, TO FOLEY AND, UH, STEVE SLOPES.
AND, UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.