Jun 19, 2023 Board of Supervisors

I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER.

[CALL TO ORDER ]

I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE UPPER PROVIDENCE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS JUNE 19TH, 2023.

IF YOU'D PLEASE RISE AS YOU'RE ABLE AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND, AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

ALL RIGHT, AND, UH,

[MOTION TO APPROVE BOARD AGENDA ]

EVERYONE'S SEEN OUR AGENDA ON THE BOARD.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BOARD AGENDA.

I'LL SECOND IT.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S BOARD AGENDA.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

[CEREMONIES ]

AND OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO RECOGNIZE SOME FOLKS, AND, UH, I'LL CALL THEIR NAME FROM THE MICROPHONE HERE.

UM, WOULD MIKE GAMMA, MICHAEL WEBB, AND TAYLOR GREEN.

COME FORWARD WITH SUE HOFFMAN, OUR PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR, AND I'LL MEET YOU DOWN BY THE PODIUM.

I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE FOLLOWING PEOPLE FOR THEIR OUTSTANDING DEDICATION TO COMMUNITY SERVICE.

MARK MEMA, MICHAEL WEBB, DEPART BOARD MEMBER TAYLOR GREEN.

THE WAY YOU REPRESENT TOWNSHIP IS UNMATCHED AND GREATLY APPRECIATED.

THANK YOU FOR BEING SUCH A GREAT PARTNER WITH THE TOWNSHIP AND THE CREATION, IMPLEMENTATION, AND EXECUTION OF THE WELL-ATTENDED JAM AT BLACKROCK.

THE JAM AT BLACKROCK IS A UNIQUE EVENT, OUR SKATE PARK WITH LIVE MUSIC VENDORS, MOTIVATIONAL SPEAKER SPEAKERS, AND SKILL DEMONSTRATIONS.

THE EVENT IS FOR JUST GETTING TO SKATEBOARDING AND THE CHANCE FOR MORE SKILL PARTICIPANTS TO SHOWCASE TRIPS.

THIS EVENT IS PARTNERED WITH OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT WITH SINCERE DONATION FEE.

GOOD TO, THAT'S AREA CHARITABLE THE EVENT BROUGHT OVER POUNDS FOOD THIS YEAR.

AGAIN, THANK YOU MARK, MICHAEL, AND TAYLOR FOR ALL THE EFFORTS WE LOOK FORWARD.

UH, THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS THE PRESENTATION OF SOME LIFESAVING AWARDS, AND I WILL TURN THAT OVER TO, UH, CHIEF MIKE RUSSELL.

UM, PATIENT IN THIS CASE, UH, HAD RETURN AND BACK TO WORK WITH, UH, RIGHT NOW.

UM, STANDING OFF HERE, UM, PRESENTING DID ON APRIL 12TH OF THIS YEAR AT, UH, ONE OF THE BUSINESSES OFF ROAD, UH, FRENCH PANEL AND STATE CALL PERSON.

AS THEY WERE COMING UP, THE WERE MET BY EMPLOYEES OF THE SAID, STOPPED ARREST ASIDE FOR BOTH THE AMBULANCE AND THE ENGINE.

THEY FOUND A SAMPLE LOCATION HAD APPLIED AUTOMATED EXTERNAL SHOCK VIEW, UM, CREW, UH, THROUGH THE ADVANCED LIFE STATEMENT THAT THE, AS WELL AS CPR PM WAS TO THE HOSPITAL, UM, CONTINUED, UH, THE, ALL THE WAY TO THE HOSPITAL PRIOR TO AT THE HOSPITAL.

AND, UM, MOST, IF NOT ALL, CARDIAC ARREST WITHOUT SOME SORT OF INTERVENTION, UH, IMMEDIATE INTERVENTION RESULT IN THAT.

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UM, SO WE'RE THRILLED THAT ONCE AGAIN, UH, WE'RE ABLE TO COGNIZE THE, THE PEOPLE, OUR MEMBERS FROM BOTH FIRE, UH, SO, AND DEPUTY HAND AWARDS.

ALL RIGHT,

[NEW BUSINESS (ACTION/DISCUSSION ITEMS) (Part 1 of 2)]

IN A SMALL ALTERATION TO OUR AGENDA, I'M GONNA PULL FORWARD AN INFORMATIONAL ITEM.

UM, CHIEF GEORGE GALLIANO OF THE FRIENDSHIP, UH, AMBULANCE COMPANY IS GOING TO GIVE US AN UPDATE.

THEY BECAME OUR AMBULANCE COMPANY LAST, UH, SUMMER.

AND, UH, I JUST WANT, UH, I WANT FOLKS TO HEAR WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON, AND IT'S BEEN GOOD NEWS AS

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BEGINNING.

THANK, THANK YOU, GEORGE.

AND, UH, I, I JUST WANNA SAY RUNNING AN AMBULANCE COMP COMPANY IS A TOUGH BUSINESS, AND IF YOU FOLLOW ANY OF THIS AND WHAT'S HAPPENED TO SOME OF OUR LOCAL COMPANIES OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, YOU'LL KNOW THAT.

AND, UH, GEORGE, YOU DO AN OUTSTANDING JOB AND IS ONE OF THE BEST DECISIONS I THINK I EVER MADE.

[PUBLIC COMMENT ]

NOW'S THE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

I WILL ASK ANYONE WHO WANTS TO MAKE PUB PUBLIC COMMENT TO COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM.

YOU DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT A MICROPHONE.

THERE'S ONE HANGING ABOVE YOUR HEAD THAT WILL PICK UP EVERYTHING YOU SAY.

I NEED YOU TO STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN PLEASE TRY TO KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.

AND, UH, ALSO, UM, BILL, IF, IF IT'S, IF YOUR COMMENTS ARE RELATED TO THE CONDITIONAL USE HEARING, UM, THAT'LL BE A HEARING ON THE RECORD.

AND SO YOU WOULD INCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS FOR THAT, UH, AT THAT TIME.

BUT NOW WOULD BE ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE CONDITIONAL USE HEARING.

CONGRATULATIONS, CONFERENCE.

ALL, ALL, GOOD EVENING, UH, VICTORIA BRIGHT 360 4 VISTA DRIVE AND UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWN.

UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, FOR, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

I JUST WANT TO, UH, JUST SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS JUST, UH, PROCEEDING THERE ABOUT TRENCH OF AMBULANCE AND THE AMBULANCE SERVICES, AND THAT'S IN THE TOWNSHIP.

UM, I HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO, UH, RECEIVE EXCELLENT EMT AMBULANCE SERVICES FROM MY HOME.

IT SAVED THE LIFE, UM, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND I, I'M VERY THANKFUL WITH THAT.

UM, IN OUR, IN OUR TOWNSHIP, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MEDICAL EMERGENCIES IN 2,154 IN THIS 12 MONTH PERIOD, THAT'S A LOT OF MEDICAL EMERGENCIES.

AND, UM, I'M JUST, JUST, AGAIN, SO THANKFUL THAT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT POSITIVE, UM, QUALIFIED, COMPETENT, UH, INDIVIDUALS HERE, UH, TO, UH, SUPPORT US.

SO THANK YOU AGAIN.

NOW, UM, SO I ACTUALLY AM HERE TO JUST, UH, UH, REFERENCE OF, UH, GOING ON RECORD.

UH, IF I COULD, UH, I REPRESENT THE, UH, PARK HOUSE FRIENDS, UH, THE SAVE OPEN SPACE, UH, FOR PARK HOUSE FARM, UM, RELATED TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF, UH, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF 1,203 UNITS, UH, AT THAT, UH, LOCATION AT PARK HOUSE.

AND I DID, UH, MR. TIPMAN AND MR. GRACE, THANK YOU FOR RESPONDING LAST EVENING TO, UH, UH, QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD SENT ON BEHALF OF THE, UH, UPPER PROVIDENCE

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RATHER, THE PARK HOUSE FRIENDS AND THE, UH, COUNCIL OF CITIZENS.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS WERE AWARE THAT THIS IS STILL AN ACTIVE, UH, APPLICATION FOR DEVELOPMENT.

IT HAS NOT GONE AWAY, AND THAT WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF WANTING TO, UM, REALLY KIND OF FOCUS ON SAVING THAT SPACE.

UH, I DID WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I WENT ON RECORD TO, TO, UM, VOICE THE QUESTIONS AND THE RESPONSES.

UM, SO IF YOU'LL, UH, YOU KNOW, AFFORD ME THAT MOMENT, UM, WE DID IN, UH, JUNE 5TH SEND A, A LETTER, UH, TO THE CITIZEN, TO THE, UH, UH, BOARD SUPERVISORS AND MR. ERMAN, MR. GRACE, UH, ALONG WITH MR. BREMAN, UM, ASKING THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS.

UH, THE 2023 UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP COMMUNITY NEWSLETTER, WHICH I'M, UH, SHOWING HAD ON PAGE FIVE, THAT QUOTE WAS IN DEVELOPMENT, UH, MAP OF, UH, OUR TOWNSHIP.

AND THERE WAS A STATEMENT, UH, REFERENCED, MADE THAT THE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP, UH, PARK HOUSE 1,203 HOUSING UNITS MISSED, CODED WITH THE CAT CATEGORY CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION FILED.

UM, JUST WANTING TO MAKE CLEAR THAT THAT WAS THE APPLICATION IS FILED AND THAT THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY, UH, UH, UH, CONDITIONAL USE HEARING REQUESTED.

ALTHOUGH THE RESPONSE THAT I GOT WAS THERE WAS NO CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION FILED WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP.

SO I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT THAT.

UM, THE NUMBER TWO QUESTION THAT WE HAD WAS, UM, LAWYERS COURT HOLDINGS LLC PRESENTED, UM, HAS LAWYERS COURT HOLDINGS LLC PRESENTED ANY OTHER PLANS OR CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATIONS OR REVISED VERSIONS OF THE EXISTING PLAN TO THE TOWNSHIP SINCE FEBRUARY, 2023, PLANNING COMMISSION.

AND I WAS, UH, RECEIVED NOTICE THAT NO, THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY, UH, NEW PLANS OR CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATIONS RECEIVED.

UH, THE THIRD QUESTION WAS, UM, WHERE WOULD WE FIND AFTER REQUEST OF THE NATURAL LANDS TRUST RECOMMENDATION, UH, WAS MADE IN DISCUSSION WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE LANDOWNER.

UM, WE HAD FILED RIGHT TO NO REQUEST RESULTING IN RECEIPTS OF HUNDREDS OF EMAILS.

UM, BUT WE COULD NOT FIND ANY DETAILS, UM, APPARENT TO THOSE, UH, DISCUSSIONS.

UM, SO WHERE WOULD THIS HAVE BEEN ACQUISITION? AND THE RESPONSE WAS, ALL PARKHOUSE DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE AVAILABLE BASED ON THE RIGHT TO NO REQUESTS.

UM, THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL RIGHT TO NO REQUESTS, WHICH WE HAVE FILED, UM, AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY BEING PROCESSED.

SO AGAIN, WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIND OUT WHERE THAT DISCUSSION OCCURRED AROUND THE, UH, NATURAL LANDS TRUST DISCUSSION.

UH, NUMBER FOUR WAS IN THE APPRAISAL REPORT, WHICH WAS COMPLETED IN MARCH, 2023.

THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT ERRORS IN THE INFORMATION PROVIDED TO THE APPRAISER, SPECIFICALLY THAT THE PROPERTY IS APPROPRIATELY ZONED, AND THE FULL 176.4 ACRES IS DEVELOPABLE.

HOW, AND FROM WHERE, HOW, AND FROM WHOM DID THE APPRAISER OBTAIN THIS INFORMATION? AND THE RESPONSE THAT WE RECEIVED WAS, THIS IS CONJECTURE.

AN INDEPENDENT CERTIFIED APPRAISER WAS RETAINED TO PERFORM THE APPRAISAL.

WE ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO ADJUDICATE HIS FINDINGS.

AND EVEN IF WE WERE ABLE TO, IT WOULD COMPROMISE THE SURVEYS INDEPENDENCE.

AND THEN NUMBER FIVE, HAS THERE BEEN ANY REQUEST FOR A ZONING CHANGE FOR THE CURRENT CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION? AND THE RESPONSE WAS AS STATED IN NUMBER ONE, NO ZONING REQUEST CHANGE HAS BEEN FILED.

SO AGAIN, WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE ASKING URGING RECOMMENDING, UM, THE TOWNSHIP BOARD SUPERVISORS, AGAIN, THE MANAGER, THE PLANNING DIRECTOR, AND THE SOLICITOR TO, UM, ACT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITIZENS, UM, OF THIS PROPERTY.

IT'S THE LAST 176 UNDEVELOPED ACRES IN THIS TOWNSHIP.

IT IS OPEN SPACE.

IT FALLS ALONG THE WATERWAY.

IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT THE NATURAL LAND'S TRUST, UH, STATEMENTS, WHEN THEIR ASSESSMENT REPORT INDICATED THAT ALL THE LAND WORKS TOGETHER.

IF IT GETS DEVELOPED, IT IS A VERY SERIOUS, SERIOUS DAMAGE TO THE TOWNSHIP AS WELL AS TO THE RESIDENTS OF THIS TOWNSHIP.

SO, THANK YOU.

I, I CAN JUST CLARIFY, THERE IS A PENDING CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THE WORDING WAS IN THE FINAL VERSION OF IT.

I THINK WHAT TIM MEANT TO SAY, THERE'S NO PRESENT REQUEST FOR A HEARING, BUT THE SAME CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION THAT WAS PENDING IS STILL PENDING.

THAT'S WHAT WE THOUGHT.

WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT SEEING NO ONE RISE? WE'LL MOVE ON WITH OUR BUSINESS TONIGHT.

EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT.

UM,

[EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT ]

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WE HELD AN EXECUTIVE SESSION JUST PRIOR TO TONIGHT'S MEETING.

AND TOPICS THAT WERE DISCUSSED WERE REAL ESTATE NEGOTIATIONS AND POTENTIAL LITIGATION.

I KNOW EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO HAVE A LOOK AT THE BILL LIST THAT WAS IN OUR PACKET.

AND, UH,

[APPROVAL OF BILL LIST ]

UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, OUR BILL LISTS FOR THE MONTH OF MAY.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BILL LIST FROM MAY 1ST TO MAY 31ST, 2023 IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,232,173 AND 6 CENTS.

SECOND THAT.

ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE BILL LIST FROM THE PERIOD MAY ONE THROUGH MAY 31ST, 2023 IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,232,173 AND 6 CENTS.

UH,

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES ]

WE ALSO HAVE A, THE SET OF MINUTES FROM OUR MAY MEETING IN OUR PACKET, AND I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES.

OH, GO AHEAD, LORI.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MAY 15TH, 2023 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS REGULAR MEETING MINUTES.

I HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM OUR MAY 15TH, 2023 MEETING.

WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON A CONDITIONAL USE, AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO OUR SOLICITOR.

AND NOW

[PUBLIC HEARING ]

MR. THANK YOU.

YOU GOOD, MARK? ALRIGHT.

THIS IS A, UH, CONDITIONAL USE HEARING ON A PROPERTY THAT IS OWNED BY A LLC CALLED PROSPERITY DRIVE ASSOCIATES.

THE INVOLVED TAX PARCEL IS 61 0 0 0 1 6 6 7 0 6 3.

UH, AND THIS IS LOCATED IN THE, UM, BUSINESS CENTER AT OAKS THREE, UM, OFF OF HOLLOW DRIVE.

UM, THE CONDITIONAL USE, UM, UNDER, UNDER THE TOWNSHIP ORDINANCE, A WAREHOUSE USE IS ALLOWED, UH, UH, IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT BY CONDITIONAL USE, WHICH MEANS IT'S PERMITTED IF THE ADDITIONAL CRITERIA IN THE ORDINANCE ARE SATISFIED.

HERE, THERE WAS HAD ALREADY BEEN A CONDITIONAL USE HEARING AND AN APPROVAL, UM, ON THIS PARCEL.

UH, BUT THERE WAS A CHANGE IN THE PLANS THAT TOOK IT FROM BEING A WAREHOUSE WITH ANOTHER BUILDING TO JUST A WAREHOUSE THAT, THAT, THAT'S LARGER, UM, THAN THE ORIGINAL ONE THAT WAS APPROVED.

SO A LOT OF THE CRITERIA, UH, HAVE THE CRITERIA IN THE ORDINANCE HAVE NOT CHANGED.

COMPLIANCE WITH MOST OF THE CRITERIA, OR IF NOT ALL, UH, ALSO HAS NOT CHANGED.

SO THEY'RE ASKING THAT THEY SIMPLY SUBSTITUTE THE PLAN SET IN FOR THE OLD PLAN SET, OR THAT IN THE ALTERNATIVE, THEY BE GIVEN NEW CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL.

UH, BOARD EXHIBITS FOR TONIGHT'S HEARING BOARD EXHIBIT ONE IS A COPY OF THE APPLICATION BOARD.

EXHIBIT TWO IS A COPY OF THE LEGAL NOTICE ADVISING OF TONIGHT'S HEARING BOARD.

EXHIBIT THREE IS PROOF THAT THAT LEGAL NOTICE WAS IN FACT PUBLISHED.

AND BOARD EXHIBIT FOUR IS AN AFFIDAVIT SIGNED BY JEFF GRACE ATTESTING TO THE FACT THAT THE NOTICE WAS BOTH POSTED AT THE PROPERTY AND MAILED.

AND THE POSTING VERIFICATION ALSO HAS PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE PROPERTY BEING, UH, POSTED.

SO THOSE ARE THE, UM, BOARD EXHIBITS, AND THAT IS A BRIEF OVERVIEW.

IF THERE'S ANYBODY WHO, UM, WISHES TO MAKE COMMENT OR ASK QUESTIONS, UM, YOU WILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.

UM, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT MIGHT USE A PROCEDURE, UM, W CALLED AN OFFER OF PROOF WHERE THE TESTIMONY IS SUMMARIZED, AND THEN THE WITNESSES WHO WOULD'VE TESTIFIED ARE SWORN AND CONFIRMED THAT THAT'S HOW THEY WOULD'VE TESTIFIED.

IT GOES A LITTLE SMOOTHER, BUT AFTER THAT, UM, THAT THE WITNESSES WHOSE TESTIMONY IS SUMMARIZED CAN BE ASKED QUESTIONS BY ANYONE HERE WHO HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE APPLICATION.

SO, WITH THAT SAID, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT COUNSEL AND EVERYTHING, UH, EVERYTHING SUMMARIZED FOR YOU IS TRUE AND ACCURATE.

WE'RE IN AGREEMENT.

UH, I DO HAVE A, A PACKAGE OF EXHIBITS, JUST SO YOU HAVE A HARD COPY, UM, IF YOU CAN COLLECTIVELY CALL THIS, UH, ONE.

AND WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M HANDING TO YOU IS A SEVEN TAB, UH, EXHIBIT PACKAGE, UH, WHICH INCLUDES, UH, SUMMARY OF CATALYST COMMERCIAL, UH, DEVELOPMENTS.

COMPARABLE PROJECTS INCLUDES THE CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION, UH, A LETTER AMENDING THE APPLICATION, REALLY JUST SUBSTITUTING OUT SOME OF THE INFORMATIONAL, UH, MATERIALS, UH, REVISED SITE PLANS,

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REVISE TRIP GENERATION COMPARISON, UH, BY T P D, UH, A RESPONSE.

AND TWO RESPONSES TO, UH, HUMOR AND ASSOCIATES ARE, UM, AND JUST, UH, JUST, UH, MR. MRS. UH, THE APPLICANT HERE IS PROSPERITY PRIVATE ASSOCIATES WITH THE EQUITABLE OWNER BY AGREEMENT BE HERE THIS EVENING.

THE CURRENT OWNER IS PD, HOME REALTY, LLC, TAX PARCEL 61 0 0 1 6 6 7 0 6 3 PROPERTIES LOCATED IN THE M ONE OFFICE AND LIMITED INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

UH, PROPERTY IS TEN TWO SIX ACRES ACRES, WHICH YOU'LL HEAR, UH, IT'S ALSO KNOWN AS CONDO UNIT NUMBER FOUR OF PROVIDENCE BUSINESS CENTER OAK.

UH, THE WITNESSES WHICH WOULD OTHERWISE BE TESTIFYING THIS EVENING, UH, ARE ERIN, UH, ON BEHALF PROSPERITY DRIVE ASSOCIATES, LLC, ENTITY ONE.

WHAT I'VE SHOWED SOME CATALYST COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, SIMILAR, UH, PROJECTS SHOWN THAT THEY'RE AN EXPERIENCED, UH, INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPER.

UH, ALSO TESTIFY PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER CIVIL THIS EVENING, THE CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, UH, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER FROM TRAFFIC.

UH, THERE WAS A PRIOR CONDITIONAL USE, UH, FOR THIS PROPERTY.

THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE.

WE'RE ASKING FOR SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE SHOWN ON THE PLANS, WHICH IS ALSO SHOWN EXHIBIT PAGE ONE.

SO REALLY THE ONLY MATERIAL CHANGES IN THIS SIZE, NOT ASKING FOR ANY FROM COVERAGE, FROM BUILDING HEIGHT, FROM PARKING.

EVERYTHING IS BY RIGHT.

THE ONLY REASON WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU CAUSE YOUR REQUIRE, REQUIRES PROCEED CONDITIONAL.

UM, WHETHER THIS IS FOUND TO BE AN AMENDMENT TO USE FOR GRANTED CONDITIONAL USE, IT'S KNOWN MR PREFERENCE PROPERTY.

AND THE APPLICATION DOES NEED BE SPECIFIC AMOUNT MIS USE AT FORTH SECTION 180 2 1 8 B, INCLUDING THE PROPERTY CONTAINING A LOT OF MORE THAN 10 ACRES.

THE PROPERTY HAS AT LEAST FEET OF, ON A ROAD OF AT LEAST 75% OF THE PROPERTY DOES NOT CONTAIN FLOODS OR SLOPES IN EXCESS OF 8%.

ALL LOADING AND UNLOADING OPERATIONS CARRY CONTINUOUS THE FACADE OF THE PROPOSED WAREHOUSE BUILDING, WHICH SATISFACTORY PROVISIONS ARE MADE TO TRAFFIC.

CONGESTIONS HAZARD RESULTING FROM PROJECTED TRUCK TRAFFIC AS CONCLUDED BY A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, UH, WHICH IS, UH, PROVIDED FOR YOU THIS EVENING.

AND THAT SATISFIES THE MINIMUM GUIDELINES, UH, SET FORTH, UH, IN YOUR ORDINANCE.

ALSO, THAT LANDSCAPE PLANNING AND BUFFER AREAS WILL BE PROVIDED.

COMPLIANCE SECTION 180 2, UH, YOU WOULD HEAR TESTIMONY, FACT PLANS DO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

UH, AND A BIT ABOUT THE USE ITSELF.

A WAREHOUSE BUILDING OF THIS SIZE IS TYPICALLY SINGLE TENANT OR TWO TENANT PROBABLY AT MOST IN THIS TYPE OF OF DEVELOPMENT.

THE END USERS, THE TENANTS JUST TYPICALLY DO NOT, UH, LOOK FOR A NEW LOCATION OR LOOK FOR A BUILDING UNTIL IT'S CONSTRUCTED OR AT LEAST UNDERWAY.

UH, SO AS TO EXACTLY WHO WILL BE, UH, IN THIS BUILDING, WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET AT THIS POINT.

UM, BUT THERE ARE, UH, SUFFICIENT PROTECTIONS WITHIN YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE THAT SPECIFICALLY ASKED TO BE TRACK THE CRITERIA.

UH, AND THE INFORMATION THAT WE PROVIDED THAT IF SOMEWHERE ON UO APPLICATION OR ZONING PERMIT APPLICATION FOR A TENANT THAT WOULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL REVIEW THAT COULD THEN COME BACK HERE IF WE WOULD HAVE TO READJUST OR, UH, PRESENT TESTIMONY THAT OTHERWISE DID NOT SATISFY THAT THE TRAFFIC TRAFFIC MITIGATION MEASURES, UH, WERE, WERE TAKEN CARE OF.

UM, YOU PROVIDED RESPONSE, UH, LETTERS TO THE INDIVIDUAL, UH, REVIEW LETTERS BOTH THROUGH YOUR TOWNSHIP CIVIL AND TRAFFIC, UH, ENGINEERING SHORT.

WE BELIEVE THOSE ARE EFFECT EFFECTIVELY WILL COMPLY.

UH, IN ADDITION, WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT, ASSUMING COMMISSIONAL USE, UH, IS GRANTED, UH,

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PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVAL OF THIS CONDITIONAL USE AND, UH, RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT, UH, MR. PRESIDENT CONDITIONAL USE WAS ALREADY FOR A VERY SIMILAR USE ON THIS PROPERTY.

UM, SO IT'S REALLY JUST THE ADDITIONAL 20,000 SQUARE FEET, SOME SLIGHT MODIFICATIONS AND ENSURING THAT WE DO ENGAGE.

YOU WOULD'VE HEARD HAD I CALLED, UH, WITNESSES TO TESTIFY, WE COULD HAVE TAKEN A LOT MORE OF YOUR TIME AND THEY WOULD'VE, UH, BEEN A LOT MORE DETAILED AND SPECIFIC.

THEY ARE AVAILABLE TO TESTIFY TO ANY QUESTIONS OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

AND IF I MAY, AT THIS TIME, HAVE SWORN IN AND EACH INDIVIDUALLY CONFIRMED THAT EVERYTHING I'VE SAID IS TRUE, YEAH, LET'S DO THAT.

I THINK ALSO PROCEDURALLY IT'S PROBAB PROBABLY CLEANER TO HAVE IT BE A NEW CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL RATHER THAN AN AMENDMENT.

PERFECTLY FINE.

PLEASE STATE YOUR, YOUR NAME, UH, COMPANY.

UH, AARON UCCI, UH, CATALYST COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S 100 FRONT STREET, SUITE FIVE 60 CONS, PA SWEAR, EVERYTHING I SAID ABOUT THE APPLICATION IS TRUE AND CORRECT THAT CORRECT? YEP.

AND WE'LL JUST HOLD HIM FOR A MINUTE.

QUESTION.

UH, FULL, FULL NAME.

UH, DEREK MICHAEL, UH, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER ASSOCIATES LOCATED IN LANCASTER AT COLUMBIA AVENUE.

SWEAR, AFFIRM TRUTH.

AND DEREK, EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING YOU HEARD ME SAY RELATED TO THE PLANS PREPARED BY TU IS TRUE AND CORRECT TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

AND YOU ARE A LICENSED CIVIL ENGINEER IN THE COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA? YES, SIR.

CORRECT.

MANY YEARS, RIGHT.

LAST BUT NOT LEAST, ERIC.

GOOD EVENING.

ERIC SCHU, UH, TRAFFIC PLANNING AND DESIGN 2,500 EAST HIGH STREET PASTEL, PENNSYLVANIA.

GREAT.

AND YOU HEARD EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING, YOU SOUND SWEAR OR AFFIRM TESTIMONY ABOUT THE GIVENNESS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO.

YOU, YOU HEARD THE SUMMARY I GAVE, UH, OF THE APPLICATION AND, UH, THAT TRAFFIC MITIGATION MEASURES ARE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.

ANYTHING INCORRECT THAT I STATED, OR IS EVERYTHING I'D SAID TRUE AND CORRECT TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE? IT IS.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WE CAN START WITH THE APPLICANT, IF THAT'S OKAY, OR JUST, UH, BOARD MEMBERS.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF ANY OF THE WITNESSES, JUST, UH, MAYBE JUST PRESENT YOUR QUESTION AND THEN, UH, MR. FOX CAN DIRECT IT TO THE APPROPRIATE WITNESS IF THERE ARE ANY.

UM, ONE THING I DID WANT TO DO BEFORE WE TAKE ANY QUESTIONS FROM, UM, THE AUDIENCE, UH, YOU PLANS WERE SUBMITTED, REVISED PLANS WERE SUBMITTED, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY CHANGED THE COMPLIANCE WITH THE CRITERIA IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT CAN WE CONFIRM ON THE RECORD THE PLAN SET THAT'S CURRENTLY PENDING AND WHICH IS TIED TO THE CONDITIONAL USE? YEAH, SO THE PLAN SET, UH, THAT IS AT, UH, TAB FOUR, UH, WAS LAST REVISED 5 26 20 23.

THE ONLY REVISIONS WERE TO SOME COMMENTS MADE, UH, AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

UM, AND DEREK, WOULD YOU MIND COMING UP AND GIVE, CAN YOU GIVE A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE CHANGES TO THE PLANS FROM WHAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION TO THE RESPON IN RESPONSE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S COMMENTS? SURE.

SO IN GENERAL, THE ENTRANCE WAY HERE HAS BEEN MODIFIED TO INSTEAD OF CONNECTS RIGHT THROUGH, IT MAKES THE SWEEPING MOTION THROUGH HERE.

THERE WAS ELIMINATION OF A RAIN GARDEN HERE, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO EXPAND THE BASIN HERE.

OTHER THAN THAT, THOSE WERE THE MINOR CHANGES THAT I WAS AWARE OF FROM.

AND THOSE ARE COMMENTS PURELY IN RESPONSE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S COMMENTS? THAT IS CORRECT.

AND DO NOT CHANGE IN ANY WAY COMPLIANCE WITH THE CRITERIA SET FORTH IN THE ORDINANCE FOR THIS CONDITIONAL USE, RIGHT? ALSO CORRECT.

UM, ALSO, ACTUALLY, WE SHOULD CHECK IN WITH BOTH OF OUR CONSULTING ENGINEERS SINCE THERE WAS THAT REVISION AND HAVE THEM CONFIRM THAT THERE, THAT THE REVIEW DOESN'T CHANGE AS A RESULT OF THE REVISED PLAN SUBMITTAL.

UM, COULD WE SWEAR JEN PAGE RIGHT HERE, YOU SOMN SWEAR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.

POSITION FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE.

AND IF YOU WOULD, UM, YOUR POSITION WITH THE, AS AN ENGINEER TO THE TOWNSHIP, UM, YOU HAVE YOU REVIEWED THE PLANS AND ISSUED, YOUR FIRM ISSUED A REVIEW LETTER ON THE PLAN SET? RIGHT.

SO WE ISSUED A REVIEW LETTER ON THE FIRST PLAN SET.

THERE WAS SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION PROVIDED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS IN THAT LETTER.

AND THAT DOES NOT CHANGE OUR

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OKAY, THANK YOU.

AND IF I COULD JUST DO THE SAME WITH OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER HERE.

YOU SO SWEAR AFFIRM ABOUT THE, GIVEN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, THE TRUTH.

I DO.

AND IT DOES APPEAR THAT THE PLAN DOES SATISFY THE SPECIFIC CRITERIA THAT ARE SET FORTH IN THE, UH, ORDINANCE.

UM, THAT SAID, IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT HAS A QUESTION OR COMMENT? LET'S GO.

THAT WAS THE FIRST HAND I SAW.

I'LL GET TO YOU.

I CAN HAVE YOUR NAME CARLIN BELL.

I'M SORRY, IF YOU COULD SPELL THAT.

WHAT, IF YOU COULD SPELL YOUR NAME.

ARLIN.

A R L Y N B E L L.

7 0 8 MEADOWVIEW LANE, MONTCLAIR PA.

AND I LIVE IN THE DEVELOPMENT THAT PRETTY MUCH THIS WHOLE BUSINESS PART IS SURROUNDING.

AND I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS PROCESS SINCE IT WAS PD GARDEN.

AND AT THAT POINT WE HAD, IT WAS A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT, UH, BUILDING WITH ABOUT 10 LOADING DOCKS.

UH, ED MULLEN HAD PROPOSED THAT HE WOULD, UM, CHANGE SOME OF THE LAYOUT HE WAS GONNA DO, UH, REMOVE PLANTED TREES, ELEVATE THE BERM, ALL OF THIS, MR. DINGMAN, THE, I GUESS ONE OF THE ENGINEERS SAID HE WASN'T SURE.

HE THOUGHT IT WOULD HELP, BUT HE WASN'T SURE.

BUT OUR PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IS I'M LOOKING AT THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE.

WE'RE NOW LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT IS 25% LARGER, WHICH IS GONNA HAVE A MORE OF A FOOTPRINT EMPHASIS IMPACT ON OUR DEVELOPMENT.

UM, THE LOADING DOCKS AND PD GARDEN WAS ABOUT 10 LOADING DOCKS.

THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE 22 LOADING DOCKS.

I'M LOOKING AT THE PD GARDEN PLANS.

I'VE LOOKED AT ALL OF THEIR PLANS.

THIS IS GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE OF AN IMPACT ON OUR DEVELOPMENT.

THE ROADWAY PROSPERITY DRIVE THEY USE TO COME INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT IS ELEVATED ABOVE OUR FACILITY.

OUR WHOLE, UH, WE HAVE LIKE 327 UNITS THERE.

IT'S GENERALLY A PEACEFUL PLACE.

WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE RUNNING FROM KIDS WITH FA FAMILIES WITH KIDS TO OLDER PEOPLE.

AND UNFORTUNATELY THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED, MANY OF THE UNITS ON THE SIDE OF PROSPERITY DRIVE ARE THE BEDROOM SIZE ARE IN THERE.

THIS CAN BE AT ALL HOURS OF DAY OR NIGHT.

WE DON'T KNOW.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF LOADING DOCKS, WHICH MEANS IT'LL HAVE A LOT MORE IMPACT ON US THAN THE PD GUARD PROPOSAL.

AND THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE RACE THINGS WAS TO SAY DOESN'T COMPLY WITH INTENT, THAT THE PUBLIC'S HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE HAS BEEN PROTECTED, IS OUTLAWED.

IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THEY'VE EVEN REALLY CONSIDERED THAT.

SO, AND SINCE THIS WAS PART OF THE, THIS IS, I GOT THE STATEMENT FROM THE MINUTES FROM THE, WHAT IS IT, NOVEMBER 15TH, 2021 AMENDMENT.

AND THAT WAS PART OF WHAT ED MULLEN WHO HAD AGREED TO FOR PD GARDEN.

SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME KIND OF CONSIDERATION.

I'M NOT, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, I'M NOT A DEVELOPER, BUT THIS DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S REALLY BEEN CONSIDERED HOW MUCH, A MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON OUR RESIDENTS, WHICH IS GENERALLY A PEACEFUL, YOU KNOW, QUIET PLACE.

IF THE, UH, WHEN A, UH, WHEN AN APPLICANT PUTS IN A CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION LIKE THIS, WHEN THEY MEET THE CRITERIA THAT ARE IN THE ORDINANCE, THEN IT IS PRESUMPTIVELY CONSISTENT WITH HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE.

IT WOULD BE INCUMBENT ON YOU TO COME FORWARD WITH SPECIFIC EVIDENCE.

TO THE CONTRARY, I'M, WELL, I'M NOT MINIMIZING YOUR COMMENTS.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS.

I'M SAYING FOR, SINCE YOU RAISED HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE, I'M CLARIFYING HOW THAT TIES INTO THE PROCESS.

DOES IT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE THAT WE ALREADY HAD A COMMITMENT FROM THE PRIOR ACT? THEY WANT TO JUST EXTEND IT AND YOU CAN SUBMIT MULTIPLE PLANS FOR A PROPERTY.

YOU CAN GET MULTIPLE APPROVALS ON ANY PROPERTY.

SO WHATEVER THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED BEFORE IS NOT, IS IRRELEVANT.

AND THAT'S THE QUESTION.

SO WE'RE SAYING THAT, WELL, IF WE'RE SAYING IT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT, IS WE HAVE TO PROVE THAT IT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT BEFORE THE TRUCKS ARE UP THERE.

I MEAN THAT'S, YEAH.

WELL, YEAH.

IF THE CONDITIONAL USE HERE WOULD BE THE TIME THAT YOU WOULD PROVE OR HAVE THE OBLIGATION OF TRYING TO PROVE THAT, THAT IT WOULD BE CONTRARY TO HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE.

WELL, UH, LARGE TRUCKS GOING AT AN ELEVATION THAT'S ABOVE OUR THING, HAVING MORE NOISE AND MORE, UM, POLLUTION THAT'S NOT IMPLIED.

OR I HAVE TO GO FIND AN ENGINEER AND PROVE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

WELL, I'M, I'M, I DON'T WANNA GET YOU PART OF GIVING YOU LEGAL ADVICE AS I REPRESENT THEM.

NOT YOU.

FOR US THAT THIS DOES NOT SEEM TO BE A TAKEN IN CONSIDERATION IS A KIND OF IMPACT THAT IT WOULD REALLY HAVE.

WELL, I'M JUST SAYING THAT IS A CONCERN

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AND THAT'S THE PART OF THE ION USE.

AND THAT'S JUST MY COMMENT.

I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND THE POINT YOU'RE MAKING.

AND WE DID HAVE A COMMITMENT BEFORE THAT WAS PART OF THE ACCEPTANCE WHEN THE BOARD, UH, ACCEPTED WAS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT THEY WERE APPROVING.

SO, AND, AND DO KEEP IN MIND THAT LAND DEVELOPMENT STILL HAS TO HAPPEN HERE.

THIS IS ONLY, THIS IS A SEPARATE STEP OFF TO THE SIDE OF THE THREE-PRONGED, UH, LAND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

WELL THAT'S JUST MY, YEAH, THAT'S MY COMMENT THAT IT IS, IT WILL HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT ON US.

MUCH MORE SO EVEN IN THE PREVIOUS ONE.

AND THAT'S SEEM TO HAVE BEEN MANY, MANY OF THESE, MANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT YOU MADE WILL BE BROUGHT UP AT THE NEXT PHASE.

HEARING NOTICES OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE SENT TO YOU, BUT IT IS ON THE AGENDA.

YOU'LL, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THOSE AND IF YOU'LL COME BACK THEN ON THE TABLE EARLIER AND SEE HOW IT GOES.

YEAH, SIR.

ANDREW REED, 2 39 GRACE STREET AND 2 33 NORWOOD STREET ADJACENT PROPERTIES TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

PARDON? R R E I D I ACTUALLY HERE, FIRST OF ALL FOR THE RECORD, I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I WAS NOT NOTIFIED OF THE NOVEMBER 15TH, 2021 HEARING FOR THE ORIGINAL CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

DESPITE THE FACT THAT I'M A PROPERTY OWNER OF RECORD OF AN ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THIS DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I FIND TO BE VERY DISAPPOINTED.

I DID RECEIVE A NOTICE FOR TONIGHT'S HEARING, WHICH IS GOOD, BUT DID NOT GET ONE FOR THE ORIGINAL HEARING.

AND I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO COME AND LEARN MORE AND POTENTIALLY COMMENT INTO THAT HEARING AS WELL.

SO YOU GUYS NEED TO WORK ON YOUR RECORDS FOR THOSE BEDS.

MY MAIN CONCERN FOR UPPING THIS FROM A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET TO 124,000 SQUARE FEET IS NOT SO MUCH THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING.

I MEAN, I THINK THE BUILDING'S LARGELY BEING DONE BY RIGHT.

IT'S THE ADDITIONAL STORM WATER RUNOFF AND THINGS THAT NEED TO BE HANDLED.

THE DRAINAGE BASINS FOR PROVIDENCE BUSINESS PART THREE INTERSECT MY PROPERTY.

SO ADDITIONAL STORMWATER RUNOFF, WHICH ALREADY HAPPENS, IMPACTS THE CREEK THAT RUNS FROM MY PROPERTY BETWEEN THE MEADOWS AND THE OLD PENNSYLVANIA RAILROAD IN BAGMAN AND UNDER WALNUT STREET.

AND WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM ADDITIONAL NEIGHBORS THAT, THAT CREEK COMES UP A LOT NOW.

SO WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE STORMWATER RUNOFF FROM THE ADDITIONAL 24,000 SQUARE FEET.

YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY GET A LOT, AND THIS IS ANOTHER, I MEAN, I LOOKED AT THE PLANS, THERE'S ANOTHER 5.58 ACRES OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.

SO WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE TOWNSHIP IN ANY PROCESS HANDLE STORMWATER RUNOFF IN MONTCLAIR FROM DEVELOPMENT APPROPRIATELY.

I DON'T THINK IT'S A LOT TO ASK.

UM, WE'RE ALSO VERY MUCH INTERESTED IN HOW THIS PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE USED.

WE UNDERSTAND, YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE A WAREHOUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE A SLIGHT CHANGE FROM WHAT OUR INJURY WAS.

BUT WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN THINGS LIKE LIGHTING AND HOW THAT LIGHTING IMPACTS ADJACENT PROPERTIES LIKE THE MEADOWS AND HOW ADJACENT IMPACTS ADJACENT PROPERTIES LIKE MY PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU STARE OUT OF IT AND YOU SEE THAT BLANK.

YOU KNOW, WHERE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT NOISE AND NOISE IMPACTS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S A PROPERTY THAT'S OPERATING 24 HOURS A DAY OR NOT.

WE ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF THAT STARTING OUT IN MONTCLAIR AND ON PROPERTY.

THAT'S BUSINESS PARK THREE AND IT'S GETTING NOISIER AND BRIGHTER AT NIGHT.

AND YOU KNOW, WHILE ALL THE LEAVES ARE UP RIGHT NOW AT THE MOST OF THE PROPERTIES AND YOU CAN'T SEE THEM QUITE AS WELL IN WINTER, IT'S DEFINITELY KIND OF A DIFFERENT STORY.

SO WE'RE ALSO VERY MUCH INTERESTED IN LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING AND HOW THIS PROPERTY IS GONNA MITIGATE ITS IMPACT ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES AND BE A BETTER NEIGHBOR.

AND, UH, I UNDERSTAND A LOT OF THE PROCESS.

UH, BY WAY OF INTRODUCTION, I'M ALSO AN ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR OF PLANNING AT TEMPLE UNIVERSITY, SO I UNDERSTAND, UH, PENNSYLVANIA PLANNING LAW AND I UNDERSTAND HOW TO USE THE SYSTEM AND I WILL LEAVE THAT SAID.

AND SO I UNDERSTAND THIS PROCESS AND UH, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO JUST SEE THIS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, BE A COMPATIBLE PROPERTY THAT'S A GOOD NEIGHBOR THAT MINIMIZES THE IMPACT ON THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, THE R TWO STUFF THAT'S NEXT TO IT WHILE STILL, YOU KNOW, BEING, BEING ECONOMICALLY REVIVAL AT SOME.

THE ONE THING I WOULD, UM, POINT OUT IS THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE HEARING HAS A SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT UNDER THE MUNICIPALITY'S PLANNING CODE THAT WE DO THE, THE MAILING AND THE NOTICE.

AND THAT'S IN OUR ORDINANCE AS WELL AS, AS THE PROJECT GOES THROUGH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, JUST KEEP AN EYE ON THE AGENDA, UH, ON THE WEBSITE BECAUSE THAT PROCESS DOES NOT INCLUDE

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I'M POINTING OUT THAT THE PROCESS, THAT REQUIRED CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS, THAT REQUIRED NOTIFICATION ON NOVEMBER 15TH, 2021, DIDN'T NOTIFY A PRO TWO ADJACENT PROPERTIES THAT IT WAS REQUIRED TO NOTIFY.

UH, YEAH, I CAN'T COMMENT TO THAT.

IT'S A PROCESS THAT GENERALLY WORKS WELL.

PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS SEEM TO COME OUT TO THESE, AND EVEN SOMETIMES BY WORD OF MOUTH, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS DIDN'T GET IT BECAUSE THEIR ADDRESS OF RECORD, BUT THE COUNTY ISN'T WHERE THEY LIVE AND, AND THEY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM MAKE THE SAME COMPLAINT.

IT IS NOT A COMPLETELY PERFECT SYSTEM.

WELL, I'M NOT JUST A SMALL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY NEXT TO THIS PROPERTY.

I'M ABOUT THE 5.5 ACRE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AGAINST THE, WELL, I MEAN, THE NOTICES AREN'T SENT BASED ON THE ASSUMED IMPORTANCE OF THE LOTS.

IT IT'S JUST A PROCESS.

JUST, YEAH.

ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

ANYBODY ELSE, SIR, YOUR NAME? UH, MY NAME IS ERNIE PATANI.

P A D O V A N I.

AND MY WIFE AND I OWN 1506 MEADOWVIEW LANE.

AND THE MEADOWS, UH, MY WIFE, PRIOR TO MEETING HER WA WAS AN ORIGINAL OWNER.

I THINK YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE COMPLEX OF THE MEADOWS USED TO BE AN APARTMENT BUILDING AND THEY CONVERTED IT OVER TO CONDOS MANY YEARS LATER.

IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP, THE CONDOMINIUMS, WELL ACTUALLY THE APARTMENTS AND THIS INDUSTRIAL AREA IS KIND OF JAMMED UP INTO ONE CORNER.

AND THE REASON IT'S UP THERE, THERE WAS A FEDERAL LAW THAT TOOK PLACE MANY YEARS AGO THAT SAID YOU HAD TO HAVE ALL TYPES OF HOUSING IF YOU WANTED TO GET ANY FEDERAL FUNDS.

SO WE'RE KIND OF LIKE A NEGLECTED AREA FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.

NOW, I'VE TALKED TO MY WIFE ABOUT IT.

WHEN SHE BOUGHT HER UNIT, UH, SHE WAS TOLD THAT THE AREA THAT HAS THE INDUSTRIAL PARK ON IT NOW WAS GOING TO BE OPEN SPACE FOREVER.

SO SHE WAS LIED TO OBVIOUSLY AT THAT TIME.

AND, AND THAT'S WATER OVER THE DAM.

BUT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND ONE THING.

WELL, A COUPLE THINGS.

ONE, UH, I'M A GRADUATE OF PENN STATE UNIVERSITY.

I'VE MAJORED IN REAL ESTATE.

I'VE BEEN TO MANY OF THESE HEARINGS FOR OTHER PEOPLE, UH, FOR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL.

I'M A RETIRED REAL ESTATE APPRAISER AND A RETIRED REAL ESTATE, A REAL ESTATE BROKER.

I'M ALSO A STATE CERTIFIED REAL ESTATE INSTRUCTOR.

I WOULD TEACH PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO BECOME APPRAISERS AND BROKERS.

UM, I UNDERSTAND A LOT OF WHAT TOOK PLACE IN THIS MEETING.

I'VE REALIZED THAT WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO IS PERMITTED.

AND I REALLY HA I CAN'T HAVE ANY GRIPE ABOUT THAT.

I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF THE ORDINANCE, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.

HOWEVER, I AM REALLY, REALLY DISAPPOINTED IN SOME OF THE PAST DEVELOPMENT WHERE THEY'D SHOW THESE BEAUTIFUL PLANS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND THEN THEY'D SHOW ALL THESE TREES AND THE LAST PLACE THAT WENT IN, IT'S LIKE THE TREES WEREN'T TOGETHER.

THEY'RE 30 FEET APART, 20 FEET APART.

I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE EVEN ALIVE ANYMORE, HALF OF THEM.

AND I, IF WE'RE GONNA PUT UP BUFFERS, SOMEBODY HAS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE IT CONFORMS TO THE PLAN THAT IS SHOWN TO THE PUBLIC.

AND I CAN'T SEE ANY REASON WHY THAT ISN'T DONE.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO MAKE MONEY.

I MEAN, I, I USED TO BE IN THE DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS MYSELF AT ONE POINT IN TIME, AND, AND THAT'S FINE.

IT'S ALL WELL AND GOOD, YOU KNOW, YOU MAKE YOUR MONEY, YOU MOVE ON, THAT'S OKAY.

BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA SUBMIT A PLAN, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THEY FOLLOW THROUGH WITH WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GONNA DO.

AND THAT'S ALL I REALLY HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU, SIR.

MY NAME IS MARJORIE, M A R J O R I E, GAT, G A V I T T.

I'M AT 1 0 1 MEADOWVIEW LANE.

AND, UH, A LOT OF WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID, SO I WON'T REPEAT IT.

I DO HAVE SOME PICTURES HERE SHOWING WHAT THE, UM, CURRENT IMPACT OF THE PROPERTY SITE IS, AND I WILL LEAVE THEM WITH YOU IF YOU'D LIKE.

MY, UH, BIGGEST CONCERNS ARE, UH, POLLUTION, UH, BOTH LIGHT POLLUTION.

UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 2020 5% INCREASE IN THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING THAT WAS GONNA BE PUT ON THAT SITE.

SO THEREFORE, THERE WILL BE MORE LIGHTS AT NIGHT ON THE BUILDING AND IN THE PARKING LOT AND IN THE, ON

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THE ROADWAY.

UM, THE PEOPLE WHO DO LIVE ON THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WILL BE VERY MUCH IMPACTED BY THAT.

I LIVE AT THE ABSOLUTE OPPOSITE END OF THE PROPERTY AND I'M HEARING A LOT OF NOISE RIGHT NOW JUST FROM THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING ON THE SITE RIGHT NOW.

ALSO FROM THE TRACTOR TRAILERS THAT ARE EXISTING ON THE OTHER PARTS OF THAT SITE.

SO I CAN ONLY IMAGINE HOW IT WOULD BE WHEN WE ADD A BUILDING THAT IS VERY CLOSE TO OUR BUILDINGS.

UM, THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT, AND I THINK THIS WAS THIS WAS BROUGHT UP TOO, WAS THE FACT THAT THE IMPERVIOUS, UH, PORTION OF THE PROPERTY WILL BE INCREASING BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, THE SIZE OF THE PARKING LOTS AND THE, UM, THE LOADING DAYS.

AND, UH, RAINWATER RUNOFF HAS BEEN AN ISSUE, UM, IN THE PAST FOR US.

AND I DON'T WANT IT TO BE AN ISSUE AGAIN.

I THINK AT THE LAST MEETING THERE WAS A SUGGESTION THAT MAYBE THEY'D MAKE THE BERM A LITTLE HIGHER TO, TO BUFFER THE AREA A LITTLE BIT.

BUT WON'T THAT ALSO INCREASE THE, UM, SPEED OF RAINWATER RUNOFF IN THAT AREA.

THE TREE LOCATION, WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED, UM, IS INADEQUATE.

IT'S DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PROPERTY.

SO THOSE TREES, EVEN IF THEY GROW A HUNDRED FEET TALL, AREN'T GOING TO, AREN'T GOING TO SHIELD US FROM THE LIGHTS AND THE, AND THE TRAFFIC ABOVE.

SO I, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS JUST GIVE YOU, UM, IF, IF YOU ALLOW ME, I'LL, I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A COUPLE COPIES OF THESE IMAGES, WHICH WERE TAKEN FROM THE MEADOWS PROPERTY AND GIVE YOU A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

AND AGAIN, THE SAME THING THAT WAS SAID TO SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE IN COMMENTED, YOU COME FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT CAUSE THAT'S WHERE MOST OF YOUR CONCERNS WILL BE ADDRESSED.

SORRY, I ONLY HAVE A COUPLE COPIES BY, UH, PRINTER ONE, NOT VACATION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH JOE.

UM, I'M GONNA JUMP IN HERE A LITTLE BIT LATE.

UM, FOLLOWING ON SOME OF THE COMMENTS REGARDING LIGHT POLLUTION AND WATER, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE, FIRST OF ALL, AMBER LIGHTS NOT IN THE BLUE SPECTRUM, IN THE AMBER, AMBER SPECTRUM.

SECOND OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE GREEN ROOF AND PER SOME SORT OF PERMEABLE SURFACE IN THE PARKING LOT AREA, IT'S MORE GREEN.

IT WORKS BETTER FOR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE RUNNING INTO CLIMATE CHANGE AND IT WOULD SAVE WITH GREEN ROOF ALONE.

YOU KNOW, WE WILL SAVE ON HEATING AND AIR CONDITIONING IN YOUR BUILDING.

I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT.

AND WE CAN, WE'LL BRING THAT UP IN LAND DEVELOPMENT FIRST WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN WHEN IT COMES BACK, OF COURSE YOU'LL REMEMBER HAVING ASKED FOR THAT AND THAT'LL BE THE TIME WHEN WE CAN PUT THAT PART OF IT TO BED.

THANK YOU CHAIR.

ANYBODY ELSE? YEAH.

HOW MANY LOADING DOCKS? THERE WAS A MENTION THAT IT WENT FROM 10 TO HOW, HOW MANY? IT'S 21.

OKAY, SO YOU'RE NOT SURE WHO'S GONNA BE BEGIN THE BUILDING.

WHY WOULD YOU DOUBLE THAT? SO DO YOU MIND AARON? YEAH, GO FOR GO FOR IT.

YEAH, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT.

UM, WE, A LOT OF THE REDESIGN WAS TO MAKE THE BUILDING AS GENERIC AS POSSIBLE SINCE WE ARE GOING TO BE BUILDING SPECULATIVELY.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE THIS AS, YOU KNOW, WE PLAN ON BUILDING A, A CLASS, A BUILDING, UM, THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE, UM, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL TYPE OF USERS OR ACCOMMODATE, UH, THIS BEING SPLIT IN HALF FOR A TWO TENANT BUILDING.

SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO USE ALL OF THE DOCKS, BUT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE WHATEVER A TENANT MIGHT COME ALONG.

SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT AS VERSATILE AND ROBUST AS POSSIBLE.

SOME CONCERNED ABOUT ONE OF THE, THE TRUCKS ARE COMING IN AND OUT AND I GUESS SHE CAN'T ANSWER THAT CAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A TENANT YET.

TRUCKS WOULD BACK UP TO THE DOCKS, UM, AND THERE IS DOCK PACKAGES THAT WOULD COME, IF THERE'S ANY TYPE OF, UM, USE LIKE THAT, THAT CAN KINDA SEAL THE BED OF THE TRUCK INTO THE, INTO THE BUILDING, IT WOULD MINIMIZE THE NOISE COMING OUT OF THERE.

SO I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION TO THAT.

WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU BUILD THESE DOCKS, UH, IS THERE A WAY TO BUILD THEM SO THAT THE TRUCK, IS IT, IS IT YOUR INTENTION TO BUILD IT SO THAT THE, THE TRUCKS BACK UP TO THE BUILDINGS SO THAT THERE IS A MINIMAL CHANCE OF NOISE COMING OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING? I, I, I, WHEN I WAS 18 YEARS OLD, I WORKED ON THOSE DOCKS AND HAD THESE BIG METAL PLATES THAT RAN, YOU KNOW, WE RAN STUFF UP IN THE BACK OF THESE TRUCKS AND GUYS WOULD ALWAYS DROP THEM DOWN THERE AND IT'S LIKE, IT'S HORRENDOUS.

AND, AND WE HAVE THAT ISSUE DOWN IN POOR PROVIDENCE, UM, FROM VOLPI WHERE AT LATE AT NIGHT THESE GUYS ARE LOADING TRUCKS AND THEY'RE DROPPING THESE PLATES, THINGS LIKE, UH, SO IS THERE A WAY FOR YOU TO BUILD THAT SO THAT THEY'RE, IT MINIMIZES, THERE'S STOCK APRONS, THERE'S DOCK LEVELERS THERE, SO YES, THE

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AND THAT WOULD ALL BE CONTEMPLATED, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET INTO THE SPECIFIC DESIGN FOR THE USER AND, AND WHAT THE USER IS DOING.

SO WHEN YOU COME BACK IN FRONT OF US WITH, WITH YOUR BUILDING IN THE WHOLE NINE YARDS, I'LL BE ABLE TO ASK YOU TO PUT THOSE IN AT THAT, TO PICK THIS ON.

AND IF I, IF I MAY, THERE'S NO STANDARD IN THE ORDINANCE OR NUMBER OR FORMULA FOR HOW MANY LOADING DOCKS? SO THIS HAS BEEN, BEEN DONE AS, AS AARON HAS TOLD YOU, BUT THEY ARE ALSO ORIENTED IN A WAY TO FACE AWAY, UH, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE FROM ANY, ANY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN AN EFFORT TO MITIGATE ANY OF THOSE NOISE CONCERNS AND WHATNOT TO THE BEST EXTENT POSSIBLE.

AND ALSO THE LIGHTING, I I'M SURE THAT YOU GUYS CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE LIGHTING THAT'S THERE.

UM, TO MINIMIZE ANY KIND OF OVERFLOW WHEN YOU GUYS ARE DESIGNING THIS BUILDING OR WHEN YOU PROBABLY ALREADY HAVE A DESIGN FOR IT ALREADY.

LIKE I'M LOOKING AT SOME THINGS THERE.

IT'S LIKE IF YOU'LL MAKE SURE THAT ABSOLUTELY.

THE, THE, THE CODE IS, UM, HAS STANDARDS OF, YOU KNOW, FOOT PANELS THAT ARE ALLOWED, UM, IN ANY DEVELOPMENT.

UM, L E D LIGHTING, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT TONES, WHATNOT.

BUT L E D LIGHTING HAS GONE A LONG WAY AT MINIMIZING, UH, LIGHT POLLUTION.

SO IT HAS IMPROVED QUITE A BIT OVER THE YEARS.

AND ANOTHER THING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, AND I KNOW THAT THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE NOT PART OF THE CONDITIONAL USE.

YOU, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SITTING HERE, WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE CONDITIONAL USE ON THIS PROPERTY ALREADY.

IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA GRANT, I, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE REST OF THE BOARD.

IT LOOKS LIKE IF THERE ARE, WE'RE ALREADY GONNA GRANT THIS THING BECAUSE IT'S AT THE, NONE OF THIS, IN MY OPINION, AND THE, THE RUNOFF, THERE'S AN EXTREME AMOUNT OF RUNOFF IN, IN MONTCLAIR, UM, AS THESE FOLKS HAVE SAID.

AND WHEN YOU ARE DOING THESE RAIN GARDENS OR THESE RETENTION BASINS OR WHATEVER, I, I'D LIKE YOU TO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THOSE.

AND I KNOW THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO DISCUSS THIS, BUT I'D LIKE YOU TO PAY, PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THESE THINGS TO MINIMIZE WHATEVER RUNOFF IS COMING OFF OF YOUR BUILDING.

EVEN I DON'T CARE WHAT SIZE THE BUILDING IS THAT YOU MINIMIZE THAT.

AND I WOULD LIKE OUR ENGINEER TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER THAT THEY PUT IN IS NOT GOING TO IMPACT THE RESIDENTS DOWN THERE MONTAIR ANY MORE THAN WHAT THEY'RE ALREADY BEING IMPACTED BY.

ABSOLUTELY.

UH, POINT TAKEN.

AND, UH, WE WERE HERE AT THE VERY ONSET OF OUR, OUR PROJECT AND WE DID MEET WITH YOUR TOWNSHIP ENGINEER AND YOUR TOWNSHIP MANAGER AND GOT THE DOWNLOAD FROM THEM AS TO WHAT THEIR CONCERNS WERE.

SO WE'RE TAKING THAT IN INTO CONSIDERATION RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE.

COOL.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND THAT, AND I'LL, I'LL BE KEEPING AN EYE ON THAT.

SO IT IS HATCHED, IT'S KIND OF CUT IN HALF ON THAT PICTURE THERE, BUT IT IS THE TOP LEFT.

YEP.

UNDERSTOOD.

QUESTION MORE QUESTION, JEN.

UM, THERE WAS, UH, TALK ABOUT PLANTS AND HOW TALL THE TREES ARE AND WHERE TO PUT THEM.

DOES THAT HELP RUNOFF TOO? IS THAT PART OF THE PLAN WHERE YOU PUT THEM, HOW MATURE THEY ARE WHEN YOU PUT THEM IN? AND I'M SURE THAT MITIGATES RUNOFF AS WELL.

VEGETATION WILL HELP MITIGATE RUNOFF, HOWEVER, THAT'S NOT THE PRIMARY CONTROL TYPICALLY BECAUSE IT'S VERY LITTLE PER EACH TREE THAT GETS PLANTED.

ALTHOUGH THEY ARE A BENEFIT.

UM, THE BASINS, THE RAIN GARDENS, THE PEAK RATE CONTROL, THE VOLUME CONTROL, THERE'S TWO MEASUREMENTS OF STORMWATER PEAK RATE AND VOLUME CONTROL.

SO THEY'RE BOTH REQUIRED.

YOU HAVE STIPULATIONS IN YOUR ORDINANCE, I HAVE TO SAY YOUR ORDINANCE IS IN EXCESS OF WHAT THE STATE REQUIRES FOR THE MPDS PERMIT.

SO YOU GUYS ALREADY HAVE EXTRA FELT AND SUSPENDERS FOR THAT.

PART OF THE COORDINATION WE DID WITH THE APPLICANT IS TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT NO RUNOFF CAN LEAVE THE REAR OF THE SITE AND GO DIRECTLY UNDER THE RAILROAD TRACKS THAT GETS DOWN TO WALNUT STREET.

THEY'RE DIRECTING ALL OF THEIR RUNOFF INTO THE REGIONAL BASIN, WHICH IS ALREADY DESIGNED FOR IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE ON THIS SITE TOO.

AND THEY HAVE THOSE NUMBERS THAT THEY KNOW THEY CAN'T INCREASE ABOVE AND BEYOND.

SO THEIR PEAK RATE CONTROL WILL BE, UH, HANDLED BY THE REGIONAL BASIN AND THEIR VOLUME CONTROL WILL BE HANDLED ON THE SITE ITSELF, WHICH IS THE RANK BARGAINS AND WHATEVER OTHER, UM, BMPS THAT THEY WOULD PROPOSE.

COULD I WHAT THE REGIONAL BASIN IS BEING DESCRIBED AS, PLEASE, CAN YOU ASK WHAT THE REGIONAL BASIN IS? IS IT THE PARK TO THE NORTHBOUND MAP? YEAH, THE REGIONAL BASIN IS THE CORNER BETWEEN THE MEADOWS DEVELOPMENT AND THE CATALYST COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

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I CAN TELL YOU THAT BASIN DRAINS INTO THAT CREEK RIGHT NOW AS IT IS, WHICH IS OUR YARD, WHICH IS THE EDGE OF OUR, YOUR HONOR.

SO IT'S NOT CONTAINING, I'M SORRY.

PLEASE COME FORWARD.

I CANNOT HEAR YOU.

PLEASE COME FORWARD HEAR MR. REED AGAIN.

MR. REED AGAIN.

MR. REED AGAIN? YEAH.

THE DRAINAGE BASIN THAT COMES OFF BETWEEN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HERE, THERE'S THE DRAINAGE PONDS THAT ARE BETWEEN THAT AND THE MEADOWS AND THE SIDE OF MY PROPERTY.

IT THEN HAS AN EXIT CHANNEL THAT DRAINS INTO THE CREEK THAT RUNS BETWEEN THE MEADOWS AND THE WALNUT.

YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WALNUT STREET IN THE CANAL AND IT ALREADY DRAINS OUT, SO IT DOESN'T HOLD EVERYTHING THAT'S COMING OFF OF THE PROPERTY.

EVEN WITH THE LEVEL OF LA OR THE LAC OF IMPERVIOUS NATURE OF THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A STEADY STREAM OF WATER, THE DRAINS OUT OF THAT BASIN INTO THAT CREEK.

SO I CAN SAY THERE WILL BE RUNOFF COMING OUT OF THAT.

THE CONDITION OF THE BASIN RIGHT NOW IS STILL IN THE TEMPORARY CONDITION BECAUSE IT'S BEING USED FOR EROSION AND SEDIMENTATION CONTROL FOR THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING ON ON THE PROPERTY.

SO THERE'LL BE MODIFICATIONS MADE.

THAT'S WHAT THE FENCES AND STUFF WITHIN IT, RIGHT? THE BACK WITHIN THE BASIN BODY? YES.

YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS CLEAR THAT THAT BASIN DRAINS OFF RIGHT NOW.

AND SO WHEN WE GET HEAVY EVENTS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF WATER ALREADY FLOWS OUT OF THE DRAINAGE BASINS INTO THAT CREEK AND THEN OUT UNDER WALNUT STREET.

AND I THINK THERE'S PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM THAT LIVE ON THE WALNUT STREET SIDE THAT CAN SPEAK TO HOW HIGH THAT CREEK IS COMING UP NOW WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF 5.58 OCCURS OF NEW IMPERVIOUS SERVICE COMING UP AND DRAINING INTO THAT.

AND AGAIN, THIS WILL BE ALL PART LAND DEVELOPMENT.

IN FACT, STORMWATERS ARE CRITICAL PART LAND DEVELOPMENT.

IS THERE A WAY TO GET THE TOWNSHIP AGENDAS VIA EMAIL AUTOMATICALLY SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIKE CHECK THE WEBSITE ALL THE TIME? UM, I, I DON'T, IS THERE CURRENTLY? NO, THEY, NO, EXCUSE ME.

NO, THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE, IT JUST POSTS ON THE FRIDAY BEFORE EVERY MEETING.

IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IF PEOPLE COULD ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVE TO GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO ACCESS THE AGENDAS EVERY, EVERY WEEK TO MAKE SURE NOTHING'S SNEAKING BY.

THANKS.

JUST, JUST SO YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE OF IT, BUT WE HA OUR WEBSITE, YOU CAN ACTUALLY WATCH THESE MEETINGS LIVE.

WERE YOU AWARE OF THAT? YOU, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO LEAVE YOUR HOME DOESN'T REPLACE THE IN PERSON EXPERIENCE.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS A COMMENT? I DO HEALTH AND SAFETY.

I'M FAIRLY YOUNG AND HEALTHY.

THIS IS MY DAUGHTER.

SHE'S GOT A HEART PROBLEM AND IS TREATED AT CHOP.

UM, I SPENT, WE NEED TO COME FORWARD, GET HER ADDRESS AND STANDARD.

MY NAME IS BRIDGETTE ANDERSON.

I LIVE AT 1507 MEADOWVIEW LANE.

AND THE NOISE JUST FROM THE MACHINES THAT ARE TAKING TO MAKE IT FLAT HAS STARTED BEFORE DAWN MOST DAYS AND BEEN GOING ON FOR MONTHS.

I'VE BEEN VERY HEALTHY ALL MY LIFE AND I SPENT MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND IN THE HOSPITAL WITH SEPSIS AND PNEUMONIA.

SO TO SAY THAT THERE'S NO HEALTH OR SAFETY IMPACT FOR PEOPLE, NOT JUST IN THE MEADOWS, WHICH MAYBE YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT, EVEN IF IT'S HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE.

BUT IN TERMS OF THE FLOODING, WHICH WAS SEVERE IN MONTCLAIR RECENTLY, UM, I THINK IT'S VERY SHORTSIGHTED.

AND BY THE TIME THE NEXT PHASE OF THIS IS TAKING COMMENTS, IT'S ALREADY UNDERWAY.

IT'S, IT'S REALLY TOO LATE TO DO MORE THAN COSMETIC CHANGES.

IS MADE TO THE MAXIMUM AGAINST THEM.

UM, NOT SEEING ANY OTHER HANDS, UH, MR. STARLING, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU FOR, UH, MOTION AND A VOTE.

I I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION BEFORE WE GO FOR IT.

DO WE, WILL WE KNOW WHO THE TENANTS OR TENANT OR TENANTS ARE GOING TO BE BEFORE WE BREAK GROUND ON THIS ? UM, MANY TIMES WE HAVE TO START, THAT'S THE NATURE OF BUILDING SPECULATIVELY.

WE WILL HAVE TO START BUILDING THE BUILDING, UM, BEFORE WE KNOW THE TENANTS.

AND MY EXPERIENCE, WHICH ON THIS WITH THE WAREHOUSES, AND I'M, AND I'M SURE CASEY CAN CONFIRM IT, IS, UM, WAREHOUSES ARE SEEM TO BE ALMOST ALWAYS BUILT THIS WAY.

YOU KNOW, BUILD, BUILD IT, AND THEN THEY WILL COME.

UM, SO THAT'S ADDRESSED THROUGH THE PERMIT PROCESS.

IN THE END THEY HAVE TO, SO IN THE MEANTIME, EVERY ASSUMPTION

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WE HAVE TO PROVE IT.

THEY, THEY HAVE TO.

SO, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YOU'D ASSUME EVERYTHING TO THE WORST CASE SCENARIO DURING LAND DEVELOPMENT.

AND IF, IF I MAY I JUST MOVE MY EXHIBIT PACKAGE? YEAH.

AND ALSO THERE WAS A TYPO.

UM, THE, UH, TRAFFIC ENGINEERS GILMORE WAS STATED SECOND TIME, BUT IT WAS MCMAHON.

SO ON THE COVER, ON THE COVER PAGE, NO.

UM, SO THOSE, THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE MADE.

SO WHAT DOES OUR MOTION LOOK LIKE, MR. PRESENT? FOR THIS, IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO GRANT ADDITIONAL USE APPROVAL.

FOR, UH, PROSPERITY DRIVE ASSOCIATES.

MM-HMM.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE HERE.

UH, CONDITIONAL USE FOR PROSPERITY DRIVE ASSOCIATES, LLC AT PROVIDENCE BUSINESS PARTNER.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE FOR PROSPERITY DRIVE ASSOCIATES LLC AT PROVIDENCE BUSINESS PARK.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

UNDER OLD BUSINESS, WE HAVE NO ITEMS

[NEW BUSINESS (ACTION/DISCUSSION ITEMS) (Part 2 of 2)]

UNDER NEW BUSINESS.

WE ALREADY TOOK ITEM NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS OUR UPDATE FROM FRIENDSHIP, AMBULANCE, AND, UH, NUMBER SEVEN, CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 24 APPROVING THE REGIONAL EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLAN WITH TRACK BURROW.

AND, UH, DAN, EXPLAIN IT.

COME ON UP.

GOOD EVENING.

I'M DAN SCHAFER, NEW EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR.

UH, I MET YOU ALL LAST MONTH.

UH, THIS PAST MONTH WE'VE WORKED ON THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLAN FOR THE TOWNSHIP.

IT'S REQUIRED BY THE PENNSYLVANIA EMERGENCY SERVICES CODE, UH, TO BE PROMULGATED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

UH, AN INTERESTING ADDITION TO THIS PLAN IS THE INTER MUNICIPAL AGREEMENT, UH, WITH TRAP BURROW.

SO TRAP BURROW IS INCORPORATED INTO THE PLAN.

SO THIS WILL BE ONE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLAN, ONE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER FOR TRAP AND UPPER PROVIDENCE.

SO THAT'S THE, UH, THE LARGEST CHANGE TO THE E O P, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS LAST PROMULGATED IN 2018.

UM, I'LL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I HAVE A QUICK GO AHEAD QUESTION, DAN.

UM, WHEN, SO WE'RE DOING A REGIONAL EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLAN, SO WE'RE INCLUDING TRAP, SO IT'LL BE PROVIDENCE TRAP.

IS THERE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ING THAT YOU'RE THINKING OF MOVING FORWARD ON TO IN THIS PLAN? OTHER MUNICIPALITIES COULD, UH, AT SOME POINT JOIN IN, BUT AT THIS POINT IT'S JUST UPPER PROVIDENCE AND TRAFFIC.

UM, WE HAD TO GET APPROVAL THROUGH MONTGOMERY COUNTY TO HAVE THIS.

SO THERE, THERE'S A PROCESS.

UH, IF WE WERE TO ADD SOMEONE ELSE IN THE FUTURE, REMEMBER WE BILL IN OUT TRAFFIC.

THEY GOTTA PASS.

THEY, OKAY.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 24 APPROVING THE REGIONAL EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLAN WITH TRAP BUR I'LL SECOND THAT.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 24 APPROVING THE REGIONAL EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLAN WITH TRAP BURROW.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY A.

UH, CONSIDER ACTING, CONSIDERING ACTING AND ACTING ORDINANCE, 600 CONTAINING AMENDMENTS TO THE POLICE PENSION REGARDING RETIREMENT DATE CALCULATIONS AND MILITARY SERVICE CREDITS.

I ASSUME THAT WAS PART OF OUR RECENT, UH, CONTRACT.

UH, YEAH, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS WHAT WE REFER TO AS ADMINISTRATIVE ORDINANCE.

UM, WHAT IT DOES IS IT CODIFIES AND SYNCHRONIZES THE CHANGES THAT WE WERE, THAT WE NEGOTIATED IN THE POLICE CONTRACT.

SOME OF THOSE ITEMS REQUIRED ORDINANCE CHANGES REGARDING RETIREMENT AGE AND, UM, MILITARY BUYBACK SERVICE.

ALL THOSE HAVE TO BE AUTHORIZED BY ORDINANCE.

SO JOE WAS KIND ENOUGH TO GET ALL THAT TOGETHER.

SO I, I THINK EVERYTHING'S OFFICIAL AFTER TONIGHT.

MAKE A MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 600 CONTINUING AMENDMENTS TO THE POLICE PENSION.

GREAT.

ALRIGHT, I'LL, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION THEN

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I'LL SECOND.

I HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND TO ENACT ORDINANCE 600 CONTAINING AMENDMENTS FOR POLICE PENSION.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY A.

AND NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION ON A AMEN TOWNSHIP CODE CHAPTER 53, UH, ANIMALS REGARDING COMPOSTING MANURE AND, UH, LAURIE OKAY.

WHO, WHO BROUGHT UP THIS? WELL, I BROUGHT, UH, BUT I WOULD LIKE JOE TO GIVE US KIND OF AN INTRO ON ALL THE PIECES THAT WENT INTO CREATING THIS ORDINANCE WHEN IT WAS CREATED, WHY IT WAS WRITTEN THE WAY IT WAS, AND THEN I'LL EXPLAIN WHY I WANNA MAKE AMENDMENTS.

IF YOU COULD DO THAT FOR US.

UM, THIS ORDINANCE FIRST AROSE REALLY OUT OF, OR EARTH DAY AND, UH, THE CLEAN AIR ACT AND THE CLEAN WATER ACT BACK IN THE 1970S.

UM, AND THEY RESULTED IN A LOT OF REGULATIONS IN, IN EVERY STATE, INCLUDING PENNSYLVANIA.

UM, THE, THE MANURE PROVISIONS IN THE, UH, STATE REGULATIONS RELATED TO FARMING, UM, ARE FAIRLY, UM, EXTENSIVE.

UM, BUT NONE OF THEM REALLY, UH, CAPTURE THE ASPECT OF IT THAT I THINK LORI WANTS TO, UM, ADDRESS, WHICH IS SORT OF A MODIFICATION OF IT TO ALLOW IT TO BE FOR THE, UM, SPREAD OF THE MANURE.

I GUESS YOU MADE YOUR MAIN FOCUS VERSUS THE STORAGE OF IT.

UM, THERE ARE STATEWIDE REGULATIONS REGARDING THE SPREADING OF MANU, BUT THAT'S ALL REGULATED AT A SORT OF LARGE SCALE FARMING LEVEL, NOT A LOCAL SMALL PROPERTY TYPE OF LEVEL.

LIKE WHAT I THINK LORI'S ASKING ABOUT.

ASKING DO YOU WANT TO WANT US TO HAVE PEOPLE GET DOWN TO THE COMPOST SITE IF IT'S GONNA BE COMPOSTED AND THEN OTHER PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND, AND TAKE THEIR, YOU KNOW, SHOVEL FOLD HOME? I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

UM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT CURRENTLY IS TO BE IN A CONTAINER WITH A COVER.

AND THE IDEA IS TO CONTROL RATS AND FLIES.

AND IN THE 20 YEARS I'VE BEEN IN THE TOWNSHIP WITH MY HORSES, I'VE NEVER SEEN A RAT.

RATS ARE THE ONLY GRANOR IN THE BARN.

BY THAT I MEAN THEIR MAIN FOOD THAT THEY SEEK OUT IS GRAIN.

EVEN THOUGH WE FEED GRAIN TO HORSES AND COWS, ET CETERA, THEY AREN'T ACTUALLY A NATURAL GRAN OFOR, BUT WE FEED IT TO THEM.

AND IF YOU KEEP IT IN, IN A STORAGE IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE RATS CAN'T GET TO IT, YOU AREN'T GOING TO ATTRACT RATS.

AND, AND I NEVER HAVE.

UM, AND WE DO COMPOST OUR MANURE.

I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE MORE COVERED THAN IT IS BECAUSE THEN IT WOULD SAVE MORE NITROGEN.

UM, AND THEN WE SPREAD IT ON THE FIELDS AND I GIVE IT TO NEIGHBORS AND OTHER FRIENDS SO THAT THEY CAN PUT IT ON THEIR GARDENS.

AND THIS CAME UP IN, UH, SOMEONE ELSE'S ISSUE.

BRIAN AND JEFF KNOW ABOUT, UM, WHERE THIS OTHER PERSON WAS COMPOSTING HIS MANURE AND THEN GIVING IT TO HIS NEIGHBOR TO SPREAD ON HIS FIELDS.

AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN AMENDMENT SO THAT THAT IS POSSIBLE RATHER THAN THIS OTHER GUY, FOR INSTANCE, GETTING IN TROUBLE FOR SHARING HIS NATURAL FERTILIZER.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE WAY WE USED TO FARM AND, AND CONSIDERING THE ENVIRONMENT AND STUFF NOW.

AND I UNDERSTAND THE CLEAN AIR, CLEAN WATER AND ALL OF THAT STUFF IS TO, IS TO AMEND IT SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SPREAD THE COMPOST OF MANURE ON THEIR FIELDS RATHER THAN IT BEING HAULED OFF TO THE LANDFILL OF SOMETHING.

SO, SO LORI ASKED ME ABOUT IT AND I TOLD HER THAT, YOU KNOW, DRAWING UP THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE, I THINK, SIMPLE ENOUGH.

BUT I, WE NEED TO SIGN OFF FROM ALL OF YOU TO TELL ME TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.

SO WHAT THE, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM THAT WE CAN'T DO? WHY CAN'T HE SHARE THEM IN ORDER? BECAUSE, BECAUSE OF THE STORAGE REQUIREMENT.

IT'S JUST SAYING YOU HAVE TO LOCK IT DOWN AND PUT A LID ON IT.

I WASN'T SURE IF IT WAS THE RUNOFF INTO THE WATER LEAKS AT ALL.

I THINK THERE'S STILL A, A PART OF THE, UH, ORDINANCE IS THAT YOU HAVE TO KEEP IT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF FEET FROM WATERWAYS.

I THINK IT'S LIKE A HUNDRED FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, AND, AND, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT'S IN THE STORAGE CONTAINER, BUT THEN THAT STORAGE CONTAINER IS PICKED UP AND EMPTIED SOMEWHERE ELSE.

AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PUT IT ON OUR FIELDS.

EVEN THOUGH IF YOU LOOK AT THE COUNTY AND THE STATE REGULATIONS FOR HOW TO USE THE, YOUR MANURE ON THE FIELD, IT TELLS YOU TO DO THAT.

SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE, YOU KNOW, WIGGLE ROOM.

I DON'T, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THIS.

YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO, YOU DON'T WANT EVERYBODY TO TAKE THEIR NO.

DOWN TO THE COMPOST SITE AND PUT IN A BIG POT.

THAT, OR, OR, UH, THE LANDFILL.

I DON'T SEE THE POINT OF IT GOING INTO LANDFILLS.

UH, I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO, I'M JUST, I GUESS I'M

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I, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE, WITH THE CONTAINER BEING FORCED TO WALK IT INTO A CONTAINER AND THEN THE CONTAINER BEING DUMPED INTO A LANDFILL INSTEAD, WHERE IT DOESN'T DO ANYBODY ANY GOOD.

I DON'T HAVE ANY, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE SHARING IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S A GOOD THING.

AND I, I MAY EVEN COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND GET SOME .

WHAT FRIENDS ARE YOU GIVING? TO BE HONEST WITH MY GARDEN'S NOT DOING REALLY WELL THIS YEAR.

BRING YOUR TRUCK, JOHN.

WE WILL DUMP IT INTO YOU FOR, RATHER THAN, I JUST DON'T WANT CENTER, THE MOM CENTER.

YOU HAVE TO BRING YOUR OWN BADGE IN.

WELL, THANK YOU.

I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK I WANT TO CHANGE THE OPERATION OF THE COMPOST SITE, IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

THAT'S FINE.

I, I, YOU KNOW, I'M OKAY WITH PEOPLE SHARING IT IF THAT'S HOW YOU WANT TO WRITE THE ORDINANCE.

I HAVE NO, YEAH, I THINK THAT, I THINK THE, THE, THE COMPOST SITE WOULD BE, MIGHT BE PROBLEMATIC CUZ THEN THEY WOULD HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO STORE A LOT OF IT, OR, YOU KNOW, AND I'M NOT INSISTING THAT IT'S ALL THERE.

SO YEAH.

I THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PUT IT ON OUR FIELDS.

AND LIKE THIS OTHER ONE GUY, HE DIDN'T USE IT HIMSELF, BUT IT WAS HIS HORSES, HIS MANURE.

HE COMPOSTED IT AND THEN HE GAVE IT TO HIS NEIGHBOR.

GOT IT.

AND I DON'T SEE WHY HE CAN'T DO THAT.

I I, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH THAT, BUT I DON'T WANT HIM TO GO TO THE COMPOST.

NO, I, THAT'S FINE.

I I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

THE OTHER THING I WAS GONNA SAY, AS FAR AS FLIES ARE CONCERNED, I CONTROL MY FLIES WITH SOMETHING CALLED FLY PREDATORS OR FLY ELIMINATORS.

IT DEPENDS ON THE COMPANY YOU BUY THEM FROM.

AND THEY'RE LITTLE TEENY TINY LITTLE BUGS LIKE THE SIZE OF A MOSQUITO OR SMALLER THAT LAY THEIR EGGS ON THE, THE LARVA OF THE STAPLE FLIES AND HORSE FLIES.

AND I, AND I, THERE ARE TWO OTHER HORSE PROPERTIES AT THE OTHER END OF MY STREET.

I HAVE FAR FEWER FLIES THAN THESE TWO OTHER HORSE PROPERTIES DO BECAUSE THEY DON'T USE THE FLY PREDATORS.

SO IF THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO HAVE HORSES WANT TO CONTROL THE FLIES, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THIS, THESE FLY PREDATORS OR ELIMINATORS BECAUSE IT WILL MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER WAY TO CONTROL THE FLIES.

AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, I HAVE NEVER SEEN A WRAP, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A, A FINAL DECISION TONIGHT.

I JUST, I WANTED TO BRING IT UP BECAUSE JOE SAID WE, WE NEEDED TO DISCUSS IT.

BE ABLE TO SHARE, BE ABLE TO SHARE IT.

WE DON'T NEED A VOTE TO DIRECT YOU.

JUDGE.

JUST IN GENERAL SENSE THE BOARD.

WE WOULD LIKE TO.

COULD I ADD JUST FOR QUICK DISCUSSION, CAN WE ADD IN MOWING? CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? A CRAFT MOWING? COULD I MAKE COMMENT ON THAT? OH YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

ABSOLUTELY.

MR. FARMER, UH, FILTER OUT AND BLACKROCK GROUP, YOU KNOW THAT JEFF GOT IT.

I THINK THIS IS A VERY GOOD IDEA.

ABSOLUTELY A VERY GOOD IDEA.

UH, THIS, I'VE BEEN THROUGH THE, WITH THE DAIRY BUSINESS, I WAS THROUGH THE, OH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO KEEP EVERYTHING UNDERCOVER, ALL YOUR MANURE, ALL YOUR STORIES, MANURE.

IT'S GOTTA BE STORED IN, IN A BARN.

I NEVER COMPLIED WITH THAT.

IT WASN'T, I GOT OUT OF BUSINESS BEFORE THAT.

IT'S LUDICROUS AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

UM, YES, I HAVE A STEER AS YOU, YOU KNOW, I DO SPREAD MY WINTERTIME OUT.

SUMMERTIME, SHE'S OUT ALL THE TIME.

WINTERTIME, UH, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SPREAD, I BELIEVE FROM NOVEMBER TILL MARCH YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SPREAD.

AND IT'S, IT'S BEFORE FREEZING AND THEN AFTER IT'S DONE FREEZING, YOU CAN LEGALLY SPREAD.

UM, BUT THIS IS, IT'S BEEN A CONCERN OF MINE FOR QUITE A WHILE BECAUSE I LIVED, IT LITERALLY LIVED IT.

SO THIS WOULD BE, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING AND IT WOULD NOT BE A GOOD THING TO TAKE IT DOWN TO THE COMPOST SITE EITHER, BECAUSE YOU WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE RESONANCE WITH PROBLEMS. MM-HMM.

, YOU WANT SMELL, YOU WILL HAVE SMELL .

NO, I HAVE NO INTENTION OF HAVING IT BEING TRANSFERRED TO THE COMPOST SITE.

I THINK IT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE LIKE US WHO HAVE LIVESTOCK RIGHT.

TO BE ABLE TO COMPOST IT AND SHARE IT ON OUR OWN FIELDS OR OUR NEIGHBOR'S FIELDS.

THANK YOU MR. TRAVIS.

I, I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY ADD IF WE, IF IF THE BOARD INDULGE ME, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD GRASS MOWING TO THIS BECAUSE WE HAD AN INQUIRY FROM THE SCHOOL, A SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER, THEY WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THEIR GRASS CUTTING, UH, ON SCHOOL PROPERTY.

AND THEY'RE AFRAID THEY MIGHT RUN A FALLOW OUR ORDINANCE.

SO THAT'S JUST ANOTHER ONE.

CAUSE NOBODY HAS A PROBLEM JUST CHANGING SOME OF THE PROXIMITY AND HEIGHT PROPERTIES.

OK.

SO, SO, SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN SPECIFICALLY THAT HEIGHT? YOU HAVE TO CUT.

THEY WANT TO LEAVE SOME OF THEIR FIELDS GO FALLOW.

OH, OKAY.

AND, UH, MY MAIN CONCERN IS SAFETY AND PROXIMITY TO THE BUILDING.

SO WHEN WE REWRITE OUR ORDINANCE, WE WANNA BEAR

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THAT IN MIND.

BUT, UH, ALRIGHT.

SO AT THIS POINT, UM, JOE, WILL YOU BE, UM, REWRITING THESE COUPLE OF THINGS AND BRINGING IT BACK TO US TO VOTE ON? YES.

YEP.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO I'LL SOME DIALOGUE.

I'LL PROBABLY HAVE SOME DIALOGUE WITH YOU FIRST INDIVIDUALLY BEFORE WE BRING IT BACK TO EVERYBODY.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION RIGHT NOW.

NO.

AND I CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE MOWING.

I, I HAVE THE URGE TO MAKE A JOKE, BUT I'M NOT .

CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE SOLICITOR TO EXECUTE THE STIPULATION TO SETTLE REGARDING THE BOARD OF ASSESSMENT APPEALS ACTION FILED BY CRESCENT OAKS TWO LLC, 100 CRESCENT BOULEVARD.

THERE'S, THERE'S TWO OF THESE HERE.

IF WE, WE CAN GUESS WE CAN TAKE 'EM TOGETHER.

UH, AS IN THE USUAL WAY, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE COUNTY AND THE, UH, LANDOWNER SETTLED, UH, THEIR APPEAL CHALLENGING THE, UH, COUNTY ASSESSMENT ON THEIR PROPERTY.

UH, ONE OF THESE IS A REDUCTION IN VALUE FROM 3.3 MILLION TO 2.8.

AND THE OTHER IS A REDUCTION FROM 6.2 TO 5.8.

SO THO THOSE ARE THE ASSESSED VALUE NUMBERS.

AND THEN OF COURSE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TAKES THE LEAD ON THESE BECAUSE THEY GET THE LARGER PERCENTAGE OF EACH COLLECTIVE DOLLAR.

SO, SO EVEN THOUGH WE, SO MAYBE I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHAT I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHAT I'M ASKING HERE.

UM, SO EVEN THOUGH WE DO THIS, WE, WE, OKAY.

THIS, THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS TO DO THIS ALSO.

OH YEAH.

THEY, THEY TAKE THE LEAD ON PRESENTING THE ENTIRE CASE IN COURT, AND THEN WHEN THEY SETTLE THE SETTLEMENT, YOU, YOU HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON THE SETTLEMENT AND THE COUNTY HAS TO SIGN OFF ON THE SETTLEMENT, BUT THE SETTLEMENT IS VIRTUALLY ALWAYS NEGOTIATED BY THE DISTRICT.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

AND ALSO, OH, I KNOW WHAT I WANTED.

UM, HOW, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT US? ANYBODY HAVE A, THE TOWNSHIP, THE TOWNSHIP AS FAR AS, UH, NEGATIVELY, AS FAR AS MONEY CONCERNED, IS CONCERNED? UH, TOTAL.

SO THE TOTAL VALUE REDUCTION TAKING BOTH PROPERTIES TOGETHER IS ABOUT $500,000 IN FAIR MARKET VALUE.

YOU RUN THE TAXES OFF, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOSING ONE $500,000 PROPERTY, SAY IF ONE PROPERTY WENT EXEMPT.

SO WHATEVER THE TAX WOULD BE ON THAT, ANY OTHER PROPERTY WAS, WAS WELL COMBINED.

THEY WERE 500 TO TOGETHER.

THE ONE WAS 500, THE OTHER ONE WAS 125, I THINK.

I THINK TOGETHER THEY'RE CLOSE TO 500, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT.

THIS WAS, EXCUSE ME, THIS WAS ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF IN THE COURT.

COMMON PLEASE.

YEAH, WE GOT CHOICE HERE.

SURE.

UM, ONLY JUST TAKE ONE AT A TIME.

YOU'RE KIND OF A MOUTHFUL.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ITEM 11.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE A SOLICITOR TO EXECUTE THE STIPULATION TO SETTLE REGARDING THE BOARD OF ASSESSMENT APPEAL ACTION FILED BY CRESCENT OAKS TWO LLC, 100 CRESCENT BOULEVARD.

THEN I, AND I ALSO MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE SOLICITOR TO EXECUTE THE STIPULATION TO SETTLE REGARDING THE BOARD OF ASSESSMENT APPEALS ACTION FILED BY, UM, I'M, I'M BAD WITH THIS.

S A H AJ HOSPITALITY LLC 500 CAMPUS DRIVE.

I'LL SECOND.

I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, AUTHORIZE A SOLICITOR TO EXECUTE THE STIPULATION SETTLE SETTLEMENT REGARDING THE BOARD OF ASSESSMENT APPEALS ACTION FILED BY BOTH CRESCENT OAKS TWO LLC, 100 CRESCENT BOULEVARD AND SAHA HOSPITALITY LLC, 500 CAMPUS DRIVE.

ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT.

AND NOW WE HAVE AN EMINENT DOMAIN ISSUE RELATED TO A SEWER EASEMENT.

WE'RE, WE'RE SEEKING SOME, UH, EASEMENTS FOR THE INSTALLATION OF, UH, WATER SERVICE.

ON TOWNSHIP LINE ROAD, WE HAVE, I THINK A TOTAL OF MAYBE FIVE PROPERTIES.

AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING COOPERATIVELY WITH ALL BUT ONE OF THEM, HE, TO THIS POINT, HAS, UH, REFUSED TO AGREE.

SO WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO HAVE YOU AUTHOR THIS RESOLUTION, WHICH SHOULD BE RESOLUTIONS 2023 DASH 25.

AND I HAVE NOT YET PREPARED THE WRITTEN VERSION OF IT.

YOU JUST VOTE ON IT VERBALLY.

UH, WILL AUTHORIZE THE USE OF EMINENT DOMAIN BY ME WITHIN ONE YEAR, UH, IF IT BECOMES NECESSARY.

AND THIS IS THE PROPERTY AT 18 NORTH TOWN, SIR.

PINE ROAD? CORRECT.

CLARIFY, THE OTHER FOUR PROPERTIES HAVE AGREED, BUT IT'S THIS ONE PROPERTY THAT IS NOT THE OTHER FOUR ARE, WERE NEGOTIATING SOME SPECIFIC TERMS, BUT NONE OF THEM SAID NO.

I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT IT'S AARY SOURCE.

I'M SORRY.

YOU KNOW WHAT? AS I SAID, WATER, I DIDN'T SOUND RIGHT.

WAS I, WHEN I WAS SAYING IN SANITARY SEWER LINE.

AND TO ALSO

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WE'LL, WE'LL GET THERE WITH THE OTHERS, I BELIEVE.

BUT THIS ONE SAID NO.

I'LL, I'LL ENTERTAIN THAT MOTION.

SOMEBODY WILL MAKE IT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE SOLICITOR TO PROCEED WITH EMINENT DOMAIN PROCEEDINGS FOR UTILITY EASEMENT ON 18 NORTH TOWNSHIP LINE ROAD.

I'LL SECOND COMMAND.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO AUTHORIZE THE SOLICITOR TO PROCEED WITH EMINENT DOMAIN PROCEEDINGS FOR A UTILITY EASEMENT ON 18 NORTH COUNTYLINE ROAD.

ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND, UH, SPARS LANE.

APPLICANT SEEKS EXTENSION OF FIVE YEAR PROTECTION FROM SUBSEQUENT ORDINANCE AMENDMENT.

SO AS SOME OF YOU KNOW, WHEN A LAND DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS APPROVED FOR A PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS AFTER THAT, IT IS PROTECTED AGAINST ANY CHANGES IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.

AND THEN AFTER THE FIVE YEARS GO BY, UM, THEN THE REVIEW STARTS OVER AGAIN TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY ORDINANCES THAT WERE ADOPTED IN THE INTERIM, UM, THAT NEED TO BE COMING INTO COMPLIANCE WITH BEFORE YOU START BUILDING.

UM, THE PLAN HERE, UM, EXPIRES DEPENDING ON HOW YOU DO THE MATH.

IT EITHER EXPIRES TODAY ON THE FIVE YEAR PROTECTION AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING ADDITIONAL TIME, UM, UH, AN ADDITIONAL PERIOD OF PROTECTION ON FROM, FROM THE MPC FOR THAT REVIEW.

I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH THERE'S SOMEBODY HERE FOR THE APPLICANT.

AND I'LL ASK MR. CLEMENT, UM, FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, HOW MUCH TIME? I DID SPEAK TO MR. CLEMENT LAST WEEK, BUT I DIDN'T ASK HOW MUCH TIME HE WAS ASKING FOR, AND IF HE SAID, I DON'T RECALL.

MY NAME'S MIKE CLEMENT.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

MR. DORSIA IS A PRINCIPAL OF THE APPLICANT.

AND THE REASON WE'RE HERE IS TO ASK FOR AN EXTENSION OF, OF THE, UH, OF THE ACT, UH, IN THE MPC FOR FIVE YEARS.

THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY WAS, UH, APPROVED, COVID HIT, AND THEN, UH, THINGS WENT SOUTH.

UH, AND NOW THE COST OF IMPROVEMENTS IS INCREDIBLE.

UH, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED, UM, IN THE INDUSTRY FOR DEVELOPMENT.

SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TO ASK YOU, AND, AND I BELIEVE ALSO, AND JEFF PROBABLY CAN CONFIRM THIS, THERE HAVE BEEN NO CHANGES IN THE ORDINANCE THAT I COULD FIND THAT WOULD AFFECT THIS PROPERTY WHATSOEVER.

CORRECT.

R TWO HAS NOT CHANGED IN I WOULD SAY THE LAST 10 OR 15 YEARS.

SO THERE'S WHAT, WHAT IS THE NEED FOR THE ADDITIONAL PROTECTION THEN? I, I'M UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE IF, IF THIS RUNS BY AND YOU ARE NOT ALLOWING US THE ADDITIONAL PROTECTION, THEN THE APPLICANT HAS TO COME IN AGAIN AND REDO THE PROCESS, WHICH IS REALLY A WASTE OF YOUR TIME, THE APPLICANT'S TIME AND MONEY.

UH, ESPECIALLY SINCE THERE HAVE BEEN NO CHANGES WHATSOEVER IN THIS ORDINANCE.

IT'S, IT'S NOT VERY UNUSUAL.

I, I WASN'T HERE WHEN, WHEN THIS WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED.

SO HOW LARGE A PIECE OF PROPERTY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? UM, I THINK THEY'RE A LITTLE LESS THAN THREE ACRES.

YEAH, THEY'RE THREE ACRES.

JUST A LITTLE LESS THAN THREE ACRES.

AND HOW MANY UNITS? AROUND FIVE MONTHS.

FIVE RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

HOW MUCH TIME ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? THREE YEARS.

I, I'VE SEE NO REASON TO NOT BRING DOWN SOMETHING.

IF IT WAS LARGER, THEN I HAVE AN ISSUE.

UM, YEAH, I THINK WE'RE FINE.

THAT WOODLOCK, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO EXTEND THIS PROTECTION FOR, UH, FOR YEARS.

I MAKE A MOTION TO, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

GO AHEAD.

I MAKE A MOTION TO GRANT AN EXTENSION OF THREE YEAR PROTECTION FROM SUBSEQUENT ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS FOR SPARES LAND SUBDIVISION.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO GRANT.

THREE ADDITIONAL YEARS OF PROTECTION FROM SUBSEQUENT ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS FOR THE SPARS LINE SUBDIVISION.

NOW WE'RE DOWN TO MANAGER AND DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS, AND I THINK, TIM, YOU'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, UH, OUR RECENT WORK ON GREEN.

AND, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR STAFF, UH, ATTENTION TO THIS.

UH, WE DIDN'T REALIZE, I DIDN'T REALIZE THIS WAS HAPPENING UNTIL LAST WEEK, SO THANK YOU ALL.

[MANAGER AND DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS ]

THEY ALSO HAVE A, UM, UH, SOME, UH, LOBBYING EXPERIENCE, UH, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD, UM, UM, BALANCE IN OUR EFFORTS TO TRY TO GET MORE GRANTS FOR OUR TOWN.

UM, I HAD HAD INVITED, UH, BILL AND HELE TO PARTICIPATE IN, UH, TWO, INTERVIEWING TWO, UH, UH, AREA GRANT WRITING SERVICES FOR, UH, FIRMS. THEY PROFESSION, THEY HAVE A PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE IN WRITING, ADMINISTERING, UH, GRANTS.

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UM, ONE THING, ONE OF MY TAKEAWAYS AT THE LAST PSATS CONFERENCE IN, IN MY DISCUSSIONS, UH, WITH SOME MANAGERS, UM, IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF GRANTS COMING DOWN THROUGH THE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

AND, UM, WE JUST SIMPLY CAN'T KEEP TRACK OF ALL THE ONES THAT MAYBE ARE, WE CAN BE QUALIFIED FOR.

WE'VE HAD A VERY GOOD TRACK RECORD THROUGH OUR, OUR CONSULTANTS AND FINDING, UM, SOME OF THOSE NICHE GRANTS IN WATER AND SEWER AND SOME OF OUR TRAFFIC GRANTS.

BUT I THINK WE'RE MISSING, UH, THE BOAT ON SOME OF THE LARGER FEDERAL EARMARKS, UM, THAT SOME OF OUR, UM, OTHER TOWNS HAVE, UH, SUCCESSFULLY, UH, PROCURED.

UM, SOME OF THE REFERENCES THAT I'VE LOOKED AT IN TOWNS, UH, IN, IN PITTSBURGH AND IN CHESTER COUNTY AREA, UH, SOME TOWNS HAVE GOTTEN UPWARDS TO 12 TO 15 MILLION, UH, IN GRANTS.

AND IN ADDITION TO THE GRANT ISSUE, THE GRANT, UH, COMPLIANCE ISSUE, AND I CAN JUST GIVE YOU BRIAN'S EXPERIENCE IN THE R ACP GRANT THAT WE'VE GOTTEN.

IT'S VERY EASY TO GET THE GRANTS, BUT TO TRY TO, UH, TO TO, UM, UM, IDENTIFY ALL THE STRINGS AND ACTUALLY, UH, GETTING THROUGH ALL THE REQUIRED PARAMETERS FROM, WHETHER IT'S THE R ACP OR FEMA GRANTS, IT TAKES UP A LOT OF, UM, BANDWIDTH TIME.

AND I THINK THE ROI ON THIS IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD AT LEAST LOOK AT AND EXPERIMENT WITH.

SO I HAVE A, A FIRM IN IN MIND, UM, AND I THINK THERE'S SOME CONSENSUS WITH HELENE AND, UH, AND BILL THAT WE'D LIKE TO, UH, WORK, I'D LIKE TO WORK WITH A SOLICITOR IN GETTING A, AN AGREEMENT WITH, UH, UM, A, UH, A WITH A CAMP HILL BASED FIRM KNOWN AS THE DELTA GROUP, UM, ON A, UH, MONTHLY RETAINER TO HELP US, UH, PROCURE ADDITIONAL GRANTS.

SO THANK NO ACTION TONIGHT.

I JUST WANTED TO, UM, A QUESTION, DO YOU NEED TO COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? YES.

MARLENE LASKA AND, UH, 1142 EGYPT, ROAD OAKS, PENNSYLVANIA.

UM, IS THERE A REASON WHY AS A TOWNSHIP WE CANNOT PAY FOR OUR OWN IMPROVEMENTS AND WHY? I GUESS I'M, I'M ASKING WHY DO WE NEED SUCH A GRANT PROGRAM AND WHY DO, WHY DO WE NEED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER COMPANY, UM, BROUGHT IN SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET MORE GRANTS, MORE GRANTS FROM THE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT? WELL, THERE IS, IT'S A QUESTION OF RETURN ON INVESTMENT.

THERE'S A LOT OF GRANTS THAT WE'RE MISSING IN TERMS OF, UM, THE INFRASTRUCTURE GRANTS, UM, ELECTRIC INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, AND THAT WE'RE MISSING, WE'RE MISSING OPPORTUNITIES IN GETTING FEDERAL GRANTS EARMARKS TO HELP US WITH THEIR TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.

I GUESS MY, MY MAIN, MY MAIN QUESTION THOUGH IS, IS THE OPPOSITE.

THE QUESTION IS WHY AS A TOWNSHIP CAN WE NOT PAY FOR OUR OWN IMPROVEMENTS? AND WHY DO WE HAVE TO DEPEND UPON THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT, THAT IS MY QUESTION.

AND I KNOW IT'S A RHETORICAL QUESTION AT THIS POINT, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S TAXATION THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO, TO MAINTAIN THE ROADS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IN THE TOWNSHIP.

THIS IS VERY COMMON.

SO ANYWAY, I DON'T, I I, YEAH, I I I KNOW IT'S STUDY MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT.

THEN ARE YOU JUST ASKING NOT TO PURSUE GRANTS? IS THAT WHAT BA BASICALLY, I, I, THE POINT IS, I, I RECOGNIZE, I KNOW THAT WE CAN'T, AS, AS A COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, GO, GO, UH, UH, DO AWAY WITH ALL GRANTS, BUT CAN WE AS A TOWNSHIP MOVE TOWARDS WHERE WE, YOU KNOW, DON'T DEPEND UPON, IT'S, IT'S THE DEPENDENCE UPON THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH ALL THEIR STRINGS ATTACHED THAT IS AT ISSUE, MA'AM, WE GET LIQUID FUEL GRANTS, WE GET ALREADY A LOT OF STATUTORY GRANTS.

IF WE GAVE THAT AWAY, OUR TAXES WOULD GO, WOULD DOUBLE.

I MEAN, A LOT OF THOSE ARE STATUTORY.

UNDERSTOOD, UN UNDERSTOOD.

HOWEVER, HOWEVER, DON'T FORGET WE PAY FEDERAL TAXES ALSO.

SO, SO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALREADY PAYING TAXES NOT IN WASHINGTON.

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BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

AND, OKAY, REFUSE COLLECTION COMPLAINTS.

UH, I KNOW THAT MANY PEOPLE IN THE TOWNSHIP ARE EXPERIENCING PROBLEMS WITH ONE PARTICULAR TRASH HAULER.

AND, UH, SO WHAT, WHERE WERE, YEAH, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, BILL AND I ARE LOOKING AT THE, THE GRANT COMPANY THAT'S IN, UM, AT ISSUES BALINSKI, AND THEY'VE BEEN BOUGHT OUT LOZINSKY, THANK YOU.

AND, UH, THEY'VE BEEN BOUGHT OUT BY A FIRM IN TEXAS.

AND, UH, UH, UM, THE SOLICITOR HAS BEEN TRYING TO REACH OUT TO THE COMPANY.

UM, THERE'S BEEN NUMEROUS HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS THAT HAVE NOT HAD THEIR, UH, UM, REFUGE, UH, COLLECTED.

I THINK OUR CONCERN IS, UH, THIS IS A PRIVATE CONTRACT ISSUE, BUT WE'RE MONITORING IT.

UH, WE DON'T WANT IT TO BECOME A HEALTH EMERGENCY.

AND, UH, BILL AND, UH, JOE AND I ARE LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE TO SEE WHAT OUR FLEXIBILITY IS OR HOW, WHAT TYPE OF MUSCLE WE CAN FLEX.

YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK RIGHT NOW IT'S, RIGHT NOW IT'S A CONTRACTUAL ISSUE.

UM, IF THE PROBLEM GOT PERVASIVE ENOUGH AND BROADER AND LONGER, UH, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO LOOK AT IT DIFFERENTLY, BUT RIGHT NOW, THAT'S A CONTRACT ISSUE BETWEEN THEM AND THEIR WALMART.

I, I WOULD JUST SAY TOO, UH, I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS, BUT ALL TRASH COLLECTION IN THIS TOWNSHIP IS BY PRIVATE CONTRACT.

THE TOWNSHIP DOES NOT PICK UP ANY TRASH.

WE DON'T HAVE TO DISPOSE OF TRASH.

UM, THAT'S THE WAY IT'S BEEN FOREVER FOR THE 30 YEARS I'VE LIVED HERE.

BUT I WILL SAY THIS, IF YOU LIVE, IF YOU ARE PART OF AN HOA AND YOU'RE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH YOUR TRASH COLLECTION, YOU NEED TO SPEAK TO YOUR HOA OFFICERS AND PRESIDENT, AND THEY NEED TO BE ON YOUR MANAGEMENT COMPANY.

UH, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IF THEY'RE NOT PICKING UP THE TRASH, THAT'S NON-PERFORMANCE.

SO WHATEVER THEY TELL YOU ABOUT YOU, YOU CAN'T CHANGE FOR 60 DAYS, 90 DAYS.

I THINK THAT'S OUT OF THE WINDOW.

ONCE THEY STOP PICKING UP THE TRASH OR START MISSING DAYS, THEN, THEN, THEN YOU CAN CHANGE AT ANY POINT.

AND THESE HOAS NEED TO GET ON THIS, AND I'M SORRY, BUT IT'S A LONG TIME COMPANY.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE STILL MY TRASH COLLECTOR.

AND, UH, IT'S A SHAME THAT THEY'RE BEING BASICALLY DESTROYED BY BEING BOUGHT OUT.

SO ANYWAY, UM, I THOUGHT FOLKS WOULD BE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT TONIGHT TOO, OF, UH, FEMA HISTORICAL SURVEY UPDATE.

BRIAN, JUST A BRIEF UPDATE.

UM, OVER THE PAST EIGHT MONTHS, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH FEMA'S ENVIRONMENTAL AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION TEAM, UM, AFTER THEY FLAGGED ONE OF OUR BUYOUT APPLICATIONS, UM, AS HAVING A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE PORT, WHAT THEY'VE DEEMED THE PORT PROVIDENCE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UM, SO OVER THOSE EIGHT MONTHS, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS ON SITE ZOOM, UM, AND, UH, WE'VE AGREED I, I'D SIGNED AS THE TOWNSHIP'S AGENT, UM, UH, AGREEING TO IMPLEMENT CERTAIN TREATMENT MITIGATION TREATMENT MEASURES.

AND, UM, FEMA HAS DEVELOPED A 12 STEP PROGRAM FROM THE TOWNSHIP TO GO THROUGH AND IMPLEMENT THOSE MEASURES.

UM, WE'LL BE, UH, SUBMITTING AND, AND GETTING DRONE AERIALS APPROVED THAT WE FLEW.

THANK YOU TO MIKE AND THE POLICE FOR THE, FOR, UH, USING THE DRONE TEAM TO FLY THOSE VIDEOS.

UM, WE'RE, WE'LL BE DEVELOPING A FIVE TO 10 MINUTE VIDEO ABOUT THE, THE HISTORY OF PORT PROPERTY.

WE'LL BE CREATING AND INSTALLING SEVEN INTERPRETIVE PANELS, UM, PROPERTIES THAT WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE BUYOUT PROGRAM.

AND WE'LL BE CONDUCTING AN OPEN HOUSE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE SCOPE OF CANAL ASSOCIATION.

AND WE WILL ULTIMATELY MAINTAIN A DISPLAY OF ARTIFACTS AND DO AND DONATED MATERIALS MEMORIALIZING THE HISTORY OF PORT PROVIDENCE IN THE TOWNSHIP LOBBY.

UM, THIS WENT OUT IN TIM'S LAST, UH, MATTERS HIGHLIGHT REPORT.

YOU GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT IT.

I, I READ THROUGH ALL OF THAT.

THAT'S INCREDIBLE WHAT THEY'RE REQUIRING OF US TO DO.

MY ONLY, MY ONLY QUESTION TO YOU IS ARE THEY GONNA PAY THESE PEOPLE NOW, OR THEY, OR ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO DO THIS FIRST BEFORE THEY GIVE THOSE POOR PEOPLE THE MONEY THAT THEY DESERVE? FIRST AND FOREMOST, I DEVELOP A BUDGET FOR THIS.

SO THEY'RE GONNA PAY FOR, OUR COST WILL INCUR TO DO THESE MITIGATION MEASURES.

UM, AND AS THIS WAS EXECUTED JUST A WEEK OR SO AGO, UM, FEMA HAS OBLIGATED THE MONEY FOR THE BUY PROGRAM AND WE NOW AWAIT THE ACTUAL GRANT AGREEMENT THAT WE'LL BRING BEFORE THE SUPERVISORS, BEFORE WE COULD BEGIN BUYING PROPERTY.

UM, SUSAN TELLS ME, AND SHE'S COMMUNICATED TO THE RESIDENTS OF BUYOUT PROGRAM THAT WE'D EXPECT TO BE GOING TO SETTLEMENT WITH THEM IN THE FALL OF THIS YEAR.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S, IN MY OPINION, THAT'S REALLY UNACCEPTABLE BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN WAITING SO LONG.

BUT I, I, I UNDERSTAND.

I I GET IT.

I I'M NOT B******G TO YOU, BRIAN, BECAUSE JOHN, THIS DOCUMENT ALONE WAS AN EIGHT MONTH DELAY IN THE PROCESS.

YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB, YOU KNOW, DEALING WITH ALL OF THIS.

THANK YOU, BRIAN.

THAT WAS, UM, THE, THE, THE, THE THING THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS NOW THEY WANT US TO PUT ON, THEY MENTIONED PUT IN,

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PUT IN A LOT OF THIS STUFF ON DISPLAY AND THE TOWNSHIP HERE IN THE HALLWAY OR WHATEVER ELSE.

AND I'M THINKING, PEOPLE BRING THEIR STUFF IN HERE.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, IT'LL FILL THIS ROOM HERE.

IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, I WANT YOU TO, I WANT YOU TO KEEP THIS IN POSTERITY.

IT'S LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH ALL OF IT? AND, AND SUPPOSEDLY THE TOWNSHIP, I READ THIS CORRECTLY, TOWNSHIP HAS TO MAINTAIN THIS STUFF.

IT DOESN'T, WE CAN'T HAND THIS OVER TO TRAP HISTORICAL SOCIETY OR ANY OTHER HISTORICAL SOCIETY.

WE HAVEN'T MAINTAINED IT HERE.

WE DO HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT HERE.

BUT I WROTE INTO THIS THAT THE TOWNSHIP, I GUESS I AS YOUR AGENT ON BEHALF OF THE TOWNSHIP, UH, THE AUTHORITY TO, TO, UH, DISCARD ANYTHING THAT IS SUBMITTED THAT WE DON'T DEEM OF HISTORIC VALUE.

AND I, AND I WAS CONTACTED BY THIS KELLY, SHE WANTS TO DO MY, UH, IN MY INTERVIEW BY THE WAY.

IT'S LIKE, GOOD, GOOD, GOOD.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU AGAIN FOR WHAT YOU DO WHAT FOR WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING FOR THIS SINCE THIS WHOLE THING STARTED.

I JUST HOPE PEOPLE DON'T COME OUT OF THE PROGRAM CUZ IT'S TWO YEARS, MORE THAN TWO YEARS BY THE TIME IT'S FAIR.

GET PAID.

WELL, UNFORTUNATELY, ELAINE, SO WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE IS THAT SOME, SOME PEOPLE HAVE PUT THEIR PROPERTIES UP FOR SALE AND, AND BECAUSE OF THE VALUE, PROPERTY VALUES HAVE GONE UP SINCE THEY DID THIS.

SOME PEOPLE ARE GETTING MORE MONEY FROM OTHER HOUSES THAN FEMA'S OFFERING THEM.

IT'S, IT'S INCREDIBLE.

AND AT THE TIME FEMA WAS OFFERING THEM THIS MONEY.

IT WAS, IT WAS MORE THAN I THOUGHT THAT THEIR PROPERTIES PROBABLY WERE WORK.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THANK I, I HOPE THEY ALL MAKE THE, THE DECISION.

AND THE BOTTOM LINE ON THIS THING IS WAS TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF THE FLOOD PLAINS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, WE DON'T HAVE THESE KIND OF CATASTROPHES LIKE WE HAD JUST HAD TWO YEARS AGO.

SO WE DON'T WANT THEM TO RESELL, REALLY.

WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO STAY IN THE ABSOLUTELY.

UM, BRIAN, WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT? WE STARTED WITH 44 HOMES IN THE PROGRAM.

WE STARTED WITH 44 AND 46, DEPENDING ON WHICH GRANT PROGRAM THEY SLOT INTO.

UM, I THINK PERHAPS, WELL BETWEEN ONE OF THE ONE, UH, THAT ELEVATED, UM, AND SEVERAL THAT HAVE SOLD, I'D ESTIMATE SIX OR EIGHT HAVE, UH, EITHER FORMALLY WITHDRAWN OR IN THE PROCESS OF WITHDRAWING BECAUSE THEY'VE SOLD THE HOME.

SO STILL PRETTY MUCH RIGHT AROUND 38 OR 40 ARE STILL IN THE PROGRAM.

THAT'S A FAIR NUMBER THAT, THAT'S STILL A GOOD NUMBER.

IT IS.

AND, AND THERE ARE, THERE ARE SEVERAL PEOPLE IN THE BUYOUT PROGRAM WHO DON'T HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE.

EITHER THEY NEVER HAD INSURANCE ON THE HOME, UM, OR THEY SIMPLY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE ELSE TO GO.

SO FOR SOME FOLKS IT IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL.

[CONSULTANT REPORTS ]

NOW WE'RE DOWN TO ENGINEERING AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT UPDATES, JEN? YEP.

UM, THE LONG AWAITED HIGH FRICTION SURFACE TREATMENT ON JAGA ROAD IS TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR LATER THIS WEEK.

GREAT.

THE ROAD B PROJECT, UM, THAT WE HAVE IS, THAT SHOULD ALSO BE DONE THIS WEEK WITH EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR THE PAVEMENT MARKINGS.

UM, THERE'S TWO PROJECTS CURRENTLY OUT FOR BID, WHICH YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT NEXT MONTH, HOPEFULLY WITH BID AWARDS.

AND WE'RE PREPARING YET ANOTHER BID PACKAGE TO BE POSTED ON PEN BID.

OKAY, GREAT.

UM, YEAH, UH, LET'S SEE.

SO WE'VE GOT, UH, JUST ONE, ONE ESKER RELEASE THIS MONTH.

BRINGS THE TOTAL, UM, IN THEIR IMPROVEMENT GUARANTEE DOWN TO ZERO.

UM, BUT THEY WE'RE MOVING INTO THE MAINTENANCE BOND PHASE.

SO WE HAVE A $200,000 MAINTENANCE BOND AND WE ALSO HAVE A $10,000 ESCROW FOR CLOSING OUT THEIR NOTICE OF, UM, TERMINATION.

THAT THE CURRENT TERM, THERE WAS A TERMINATION FROM MONTGOMERY COUNTY CONSERVATION DISTRICT.

UM, THEY NEED TO GET OUT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER AND THEN MONTGOMERY COUNTY CONSERVATION DISTRICT, IT'S GONNA TAKE A FEW MONTHS.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THEN.

I'LL E ENTERTAIN THE MOTION OF, UM, APPROVE THE MONTHLY DEVELOPER IMPROVEMENT GUARANTEE REDUCTION LIST.

THAT'S A MOUTHFUL AS FOLLOWS.

FOUNDERS RESERVE HAS TRACKED PHASE TWO RELEASE NUMBER 12, FINAL $307,000 TO $307,290 AND 55 CENTS.

I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MONTHLY DEVELOPER IMPROVEMENT GUARANTEE REDUCTION LIST AS FOLLOWS.

ITEM A FOUNDERS RESERVE AS TO TRACK PHASE TWO, RELEASE NUMBER 12, FINAL $307,290 AND 55 CENTS.

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AND SO SERVE COURT, NOTHING ELSE DENIED.