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YES.[CALL TO ORDER]
CALL.EVERYTHING YOU SHOULD BE PICKING US UP.
UH, CALL TO ORDER FOR OUR, UH, UH, THE, UH, ADVISORY COUNCIL FOR UPPER PROVIDENCE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL FOR UPPER PROVIDENCE FOR WEDNESDAY, MAY 17TH.
WE'LL CALL TO ORDER THE MEETING.
UH, JUST AS WORDS, YOU GUYS ALL KNOW ABOUT THE NEW SPEAKER SYSTEM, EVERYTHING NOW IS PICKED UP.
SO, UH, YOU CAN HAVE A SIDEBAR.
SO BE CAREFUL, UH, OF WHAT YOU SAY WHEN YOU SAY AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
[APPROVE AGENDA]
SO IN FRONT OF US, WE GOT AN AGENDA AND, UH, I'LL TAKE, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.AND, UH, SO THE AGENDA'S APPROVED.
LOOKS LIKE WE, UH, HAVE JUST A COUPLE ITEMS, UM, TO TALK ABOUT, UH, NO PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, TONIGHT.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
THE MINUTES WHICH ARE ATTACHED.JEFF AL DOES A GREAT JOB OF GIVING US MORE INFORMATION THAN WE REMEMBER SAYING.
THAT'S, THAT'S MY WONDERFUL ZONING CLERK.
UM, SO WE SET ALL THIS STUFF AT OUR LAST MEETING.
EVERYBODY WANT, JUST WANT TO PERUSE IT REAL QUICK BEFORE WE, I TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
AND, UH, THAT WOULD BE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM MARCH 15TH.
HONOR IS GOING FAST, ISN'T IT? UM, SO IT BRINGS US TO OUR
[2. General Discussion]
ACTION DISCUSSION ITEMS FOR TONIGHT, WHICH THE FIRST ONE IS JUST GONNA BE A GENERAL DISCUSSION.AND, UM, I CONTINUE TO BE, UM, CONFUSED ON EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE AT.
I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE THINGS, BILL, THAT YOU HAD BROUGHT TOGETHER.
UM, IS THERE ANY UP TO DATE ON THAT? YES.
UM, SO THE MINUTES REFLECT, UM, WE'RE WHERE WE WERE NOW MARCH 15TH, AND THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE, THE FUNDS NECESSARILY FOR A LIVE PRESENTATION FOR, FOR, UH, FOR THE GENTLEMAN THIS SPEAK ABOUT MOVEMENT.
SO WE, UH, WE'RE GONNA DO A VIRTUAL, WHICH WAS A LOT LESS MONEY.
UH, BUT ONE OF THE MAJOR SPONSORS OF FRENCH AND PICKERING TRUST SAID, NO, WE REALLY NEED TO GET BEHIND A LIVE PRESENTATION.
SO WE'VE PUSHED IT BACK TO, UH, OCTOBER IS THE NEW DATE FOR, TO COME SPEAK TO WHAT, SORRY FOR I KNOW.
WHAT, WHAT DATE? OCTOBER 20TH.
AND THAT WILL BE IN PERSON? YES.
AND WE WILL HAVE FUNDING BY THEN.
WELL, WE, THE FUNDING CONTINUES TO INCREASE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I DID WANT TO ASK UPPER PROVIDENCE IF WE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING VIRTUAL FROM HERE THAT WE WOULD SPONSOR.
IT COULD BE BROADCAST FROM COLUMBIA THEATER.
UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT THAT.
WE'RE AT OVER THE SUMMER AND GO FROM THERE.
AND HOW ABOUT IT'S NOT A SHARED YEAH.
AND THAT WOULD BE EXCLUSIVE TESTIMONY THAT WE FROM THE TOWNSHIP COME HERE TO, TO SEE.
SO GUESS WE SEE HOW THE SUMMER PROGRESSES, HUH? UM, WHAT I WANNA BRING UP IS, I KNOW MARIA KNOWS, UM, SARAH SATO IS NO LONGER WITH TOWN.
YEAH, YOU TOLD US THAT AT THAT LAST TIME.
SO SHE, SHE'S TAKEN A JOB WITH A STATE PARK AND I MEAN, IT'S A GREAT POSITION FOR GREAT STEP FOUR, EXACTLY WHERE SHE PROBABLY SHOULD BE.
I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO SUE YET, WHO'S THE PERSON REC DIRECTOR CUZ SHE'S OBVIOUSLY GOT A, A ROLE IN THIS.
UM, SARAH DEFINITELY HAVE MORE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL BACKGROUND THAN I DO.
I HAVE SOME, BUT NOT NEARLY WHAT I MEAN TO HER.
IT'S LIKE A SECOND LANGUAGE TO ME.
SO WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT AND WE'LL MOVE FORWARD AND WE'LL STILL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO AND THINGS WE CAN PLAN OUT.
UM, WHAT I WANTED TO BRING TO YOU TODAY WAS JUST ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SOMEONE HAD MENTIONED WAS NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING THE ENVIRONMENTAL PORTIONS OF THE TOWNSHIP.
WHAT, YOU KNOW, FLOODPLAINS, STEEP SLOPES, THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE TOWNSHIP.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS I CAN DO IS I CAN MAKE MAPS.
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I, I BROUGHT A LOT OF MAPS TODAY.FOR SOME REASON I ONLY PRINTED ONE OF THESE.
BUT, UM, IF YOU, THIS IS THE SAME MAP THAT'S LARGE HERE.
I PRINTED MOST OF THEM LARGE AND SMALL, UNLESS IT'S EXTREMELY DETAILED, BUT YOU'LL SEE A MINUTE.
UM, WHAT THIS SHOWS US IS THIS SHOWS US THE, THE FLOOD PLAINS IN THE TOWNSHIP.
THE, THE, THE AREAS THAT ARE PRONE TO FLOOD.
THE GREEN IS, UH, WITH THE GREEN OUTLINE, THAT IS A 1%, I'M SORRY, A 0.02% CHANCE OF FLOODING EVERY YEAR.
THE GRAY AREAS IS, THE DARK GRAY AREA IS A 0.2% CHANCE OF FLOODING EVERY YEAR.
SO THAT'S LIKE THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD.
UM, IT'S, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT IN THIS CONTEXT, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A LOT OF THE TOWNSHIP, BUT WHAT THAT DOES, THE AREAS THAT IT CAN, CAN IMPACT ARE FAIRLY DENSE.
UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU GET DOWN ALONG THE CREEK, ALONG THE BOTTOM PART OF THE TOWNSHIP.
UM, I, I THINK IT'S JUST, I THINK IT, IT'S AN UNDERSTANDING WE SHOULD HAVE AS WE MOVE FORWARD OF, OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT IMPACT THE TOWNSHIP ARE.
UM, AND THEN YOU CAN LAYER THAT WITH,
[3. Maps for discussion (to be distributed at the meeting)]
UM, A MAP I HAVE HERE FOR TREE COVERAGE.AND I MEAN, AS WE DON'T KNOW, WE'RE PRETTY WELL DEVELOPED.
BUT, UH, HERE I CAN HAND THAT OUT.
I CAN GET TO, WELL, BEFORE I GO OFF THIS ONE, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT? UM, I DO ACTUALLY.
SO I'M LOOKING AT YOUR, YOUR PLUG CLAIM HEARING.
HOW FAR IN ARE WE TALKING? THAT USUALLY FLOODS, SO DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YEAH.
UM, WHEN WE LIKE IT, IT'S HARD TO SAY USUALLY FLOODS BECAUSE, WELL, WHEN IT DOES, WHEN IT DOES BECAUSE IT, SOMETIMES THERE'S A LOT OF IDA WAS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT LIKE, THIS IS AMELIA STREET AND I REALIZE THIS IS REALLY HARD FOR THE PEOPLE.
WA IF ANYONE'S WATCHING AT HOME, IT KIND OF GOES UP TO HERE.
ANYTHING ALONG SORT OF THE DIVIDING LINE IS, IS IS THE STREET OKAY.
SORT OF IN THROUGH THERE, BUT IT CAN FLOOD PAST THAT.
UM, AND IT DOES, LIKE DURING IDA, IT BROUGHT SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE WATER CAME TO THE OTHER SIDE OF WALNUT STREET, OTHER SIDE OF PORT PROVIDENCE STREET.
IT WAS JUST ON THE FIRST FLOOR AT THAT POINT.
THE, THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF, OF WALNUT AND PORT PROVIDENCE, IT WAS ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
SO, AND IF YOU, AS I'M SURE WE'VE ALL DRIVEN DOWN THERE, THERE'S A FAIRLY DECENT GRADE CHANGE BETWEEN THE TWO.
SO IT, YOU KNOW, IT THAT'S, YOU CAN SORT OF SEE IT'S A, IT'S ABOUT 105 FEET ELEVATION.
SO, NOT THAT WE ALL HAVE ELEVATION METERS SITTING ANYWHERE, BUT IF YOU'RE DOWN THERE AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOMEONE AT A HOUSE, THE FIRST FLOOR OF EVERYTHING UP ON THIS SIDE OF WALNUT STREET IS ABOUT 105 FEET.
AND THAT'S A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD.
THAT'S GENERALLY ABOUT THE HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD.
SO, AND SO THIS MAP IS AS OF THESE, THESE FLOOD LINES ARE AS OF SAY TODAY, NOT SAY, I DON'T KNOW, A HUNDRED YEARS AGO, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING.
WELL THESE ARE WHAT FEMA IDENTIFIES AS A FLOOD PLAIN.
NOW HOW THEY DO THAT IS THEY LOOK PURELY ELEVATION.
NOW, SOMETIMES THERE'S A DIFFERENCE, LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, PER WOODS HERE OR PERGAMON WOODS, I MEAN, YOU GET SOME DECENT FLOODING IN THERE AND THEN YOU GET THIS GREEN AREA.
WHAT, WHAT WE FOUND OUT THROUGH HERE, THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING IN THERE, THE APARTMENTS IS NOT SO MUCH THAT THE WATER COMES, GOES IN THERE.
IT'S THAT THE PERMA, WHEN IT GETS AROUND THIS CORNER, IT SLOWS DOWN AND IT BACKS UP INTO IT.
SO IT, IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND, AND THE LAND FEATURE OF, OF WHAT THE FLOODPLAIN MIGHT BE.
AND IT, AND THESE ARE DETERMINED WHENEVER WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT IN THESE AREAS, WE ALWAYS MAKE THE DEVELOPER THE, THE LANDOWNER, SHOW US WHAT THE ELEVATIONS ARE AND DETERMINE WHERE THE FLOOD PLANE IS.
WE CAN SAY IT'S 105 FEET FOOT UNTIL THEY COME IN WITH A SPECIFIC PLANE.
AND I DO THAT FOR HOMEOWNERS AND THEY WANNA BUILD SOMETHING IN, YOU KNOW, DOWN AND THERE.
UM, SO WE KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE FLOODPLAIN IS, WHERE IT HITS ON THEIR PROPERTY.
CUZ THIS IS, THIS IS SORT OF A GENERALIZATION THAT FEMA PUTS OUT EVERY YEAR, MOSTLY FOR INSURANCE PURPOSES, SO THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOWN ALONG THE RIVER KNOW THAT IF THEY'RE BUYING THERE, THEY PROBABLY HAVE TO BUY FLOOD INSURANCE.
AND THIS IS KIND OF IN LAND SUM.
IS THAT BECAUSE IT'S LOWER? YES.
WHAT, WHAT DEVELOPMENT IS IS THAT REBO, THAT'S REO PROVINCE FOR MM-HMM.
NOW AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS A VERY LOW PERCENT, THIS IS LIKE A 0.0, 2% CHANCE THIS IS GONNA FLOOD.
AND ADMITTEDLY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY HOUSE RIGHT IN THAT BLOCK.
THE CHANCE, I'VE NEVER SEEN WATER ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THIS.
EVEN DURING IDA, I MEAN, YOU KNOW THE AREA PRETTY WELL TOO.
YOU KNOW, IT IS FAIRLY RARE THAT IT'S GONNA BE IN HERE, BUT GENERALLY IF, IF THINGS WERE TO HAPPEN, THERE'S A CHANCE THAT IT COULD BACK UP.
SO THIS WHOLE YOU SAYING EYE TO THE, YOU DID NOT GET I DID NOT SEE ANY WATER.
NOW, I, I, AFTER IT WAS OVER, I WALKED DOWN TO THE CREEK A LITTLE BIT AND YOU COULD SEE THAT IT'D COME UP THE HAIR, THE
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HILL IN THE BACK OF RAMBO FAIRLY SIGNIFICANTLY.BUT IT WASN'T NEAR GETTING TO ANY OF THESE HOUSES.
THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT WATERSHED.
AND THEN OF COURSE THE PER THE SIDE, I DIDN'T, I, I HAVE THE, THE SHAPE FILES FOR THE WATERSHEDS.
I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO GET THOSE MAPS.
AND IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY OBVIOUS, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE WATERSHEDS ARE.
IT NOT THE MOST COLORFUL MAP IN THE WORLD, BUT, UM, WE CAN, I CAN GET YOU THAT INFORMATION TOO, JUST SO WE SORT OF HAVE THAT IN OUR BACK POCKET.
THIS, THIS IS THE, UM, THIS IS THE PER OPEN.
OH, THAT'S, UM, YEAH, THIS IS THE PER HERE, THIS IS TINDI.
AND ACTUALLY WE'RE GONNA GET TO SORT OF WHAT THIS ALL LEADS UP TO IS CREEK NAMING AND I'LL, I'LL SHOW YOU THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE BOTTOM.
AND WHAT, WHICH CREEK IS THIS? UH, I THINK THAT'S CROSSMAN'S.
WHICH GOES INTO THE CANAL, I BELIEVE.
IT JUST GOES STRAIGHT INTO THE, THE SCOOB.
OH, AND WHAT'S, WHAT'S UH, THAT ONE? I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
AND THEN HOW ABOUT THE ONE THAT'S BECOME, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S WATERSHED.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, UH, NAMED CREEK, BUT YOU KNOW THAT AT THE TOP OF 29, THAT'S BECOME A LITTLE BIT CONTROVERSIAL WITH ITS, UH, LOVERS LANE PROJECT.
OH, THAT LOVERS LANE PROJECT IS RAISE HERE.
AND WE'LL SEE IT BETTER ON I THINK SOME OF THE CREEK MAPS, BUT THERE'S A CREEK THAT SORT OF RUNS BACK THROUGH, THROUGH AND THROUGH HERE, COMES, COMES OUT INTO THE CANAL, I BELIEVE, NEAR THAT BRIDGE.
WELL, THAT'S ON THE OTHER, LIKE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE RAILROAD TRACK, WHICH IS THIS LINE HERE, WHICH IF, IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN DOWN IN THAT AREA, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE RAILROAD TRACK IS QUITE HIGH.
SO THAT REALLY DEFINES WHERE THE FLOODPLAIN LINE, I MEAN, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A VERY, VERY SIGNIFICANT FLOOD TO GET ABOVE THOSE.
UM, I THINK THE, THE AREA OF CONCERN IS LIKE AMELIA STREET, THE AMELIA STREET DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN THE, THE WATER THAT, THAT SORT OF FALLS INTO, UM, AMELIA STREET HERE AND AMELIA STREET ON THIS SIDE OF IT.
AND THE TOWNSHIP IS LOOKING INTO THAT.
THEY'RE DOING SOME WORK WITH, UM, CLEANING OUT SOME OF THE, THE PIPING AND, AND DON'T QUOTE ME ON THIS, BUT I THINK THEY MIGHT BE CHANGING OUT SOME OF THE PIPING IN THERE.
UM, YEAH, THERE WAS SOME ONE SHORT, THEY SAID IT WAS BAD.
AND, UH, I THINK THEY WERE GONNA WORK ON THAT ON, THAT'S NOT FAMILIAR.
I MEAN, I WALKED MONTCLAIR FROM ALL THE WAY DOWN TO DOWN ALL THE WAY UP TO S LANE ON THE STREETS THERE HANDING OUT SOME FLIES BACK AWAY.
AND, AND I'M LOOKING AT THAT WATER WIND COMING DOWN THROUGH THE TOWN.
I'M THINKING LIKE, WOW, NO WONDER THESE PEOPLE GOING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAY, SOME OF THE CULVERTS ARE SO TINY, BUT, BUT YOU LOOK AT, YOU LOOK AT THE S THAT ARE, THAT AREAS DRAINING AND YOU CAN IMAGINE HOW MUCH AND, AND A BIG STORM EVENT, HOW MUCH WATER.
AND, AND A LOT OF THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY DEVELOPMENT OF RIVER OR UPHILL FROM IT.
IT'S YEARS OF NOT BEING TAKEN CARE OF.
I MEAN, I DON'T FAULT A HOMEOWNER THAT SOME PEOPLE JUST DON'T KNOW.
IT'S LIKE WE TALK ABOUT WITH BASINS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THEY'VE JUST, AND EVEN THE TOWNSHIP FINDS IT THAT CORRUGATED PIPE DOESN'T LAST AS LONG AS THEY SAID IT WOULD.
AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PLACES IN THE TOWNSHIP WHERE WE KNOW THERE'S A BAD CORRUGATED PIPE AND THEY NEED TO GO AND REPLACE IT.
WELL, TO DO THAT YOU GOTTA RIP UP THE WHOLE ROAD AND PUT OTHER THINGS DOWN.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE PUBLIC COURSE IS LOOKING AT.
THEY WERE PROBABLY CALLERS THAT WERE OH, ABSOLUTELY.
YOU KNOW, PACKING UP THE STAIRS.
WELL, AND, AND MOST OF THE TIME THEY PROBABLY WEREN'T PUT IN UNDER A GREEN PERMIT OR UNDER ANY DESIGN.
IT WAS JUST WHEN THEY GOING, WELL, I DON'T WANT THE WATER OVER HERE.
I'M GONNA TAKE THIS LITTLE, I CAN MOVE OUTTA MY TENT AND BUILD A HOUSE HERE.
WE GOT SOME, UM, SOME PICTURES.
CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE THEY WERE FROM, OF A FLOOD FROM THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS.
AND IT WAS, I MEAN, IT MADE, IT WAS, IT WAS AMAZING BECAUSE THERE WEREN'T MANY STRUCTURES.
SO IT WAS JUST AN AMAZING AMOUNT OF WATER AND AN AMAZING, THE PICTURES.
THERE WAS A BRIDGE THAT CAME COMPLETELY DOWN.
IT WAS, WE WERE COMPLETELY OFF PHOENIXVILLE.
WHAT YOU CAN ALSO SEE ON THIS ONE, WHICH IS THE SMALLER ONE YOU HAVE, IS THE TREE CAR.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S GONNA FOLLOW A LOT OF THE CREEKS.
YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT REPAIRING BUFFERS AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE HAVE REPAIRING BUFFERS, WHERE WE DON'T.
UM, BUT IT REALLY DOES CORRESPOND A LOT
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WITH THE TREE COVER.OBVIOUSLY THIS DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT A LOT OF THE INDIVIDUAL TREES OR STREET TREES AND DEVELOPMENTS.
I THINK FROM A PLANTING STANDPOINT AND A LANDSCAPE STANDPOINT, WE DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF REPLANTING THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND, AND THE SMALL SUBDIVISIONS, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NEVER GONNA CATCH UP TO WHAT A FOREST WAS.
BUT MOST OF THIS LANGUAGE PROBABLY FORMED ANYWAY, SO.
UM, SAY YOU'RE PROBABLY HAVE MORE TREE COVER PAL THAN WE MAY HAVE HAD 40 YEARS AGO.
CAUSE WHAT WAS DEVELOPED WAS, AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INTERNALLY IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF OPEN AREAS THAT ARE JUST GRASS.
AND ONE THING SARAH'S ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT IS WE NEED TO GET AWAY FROM JUST HAVING THE GRASS OPEN AREAS AND, AND REPLANT TREES AND REFOREST AREAS THAT WE CAN, I MEAN THERE'S A WHOLE SECTION OF OF OPEN SPACE UP HERE.
TOWNSHIP HAS, AND SOME OTHER SMALL AREAS THAT WE STILL WANNA HAVE WALKING PAST IN THEM.
BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S AMAZING.
HOW DOES THIS MAP GREEN? UM, I WENT THROUGH AND I DOUBLE CHECKED SOME AREAS LIKE PARKHOUSE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS AREA RIGHT IN HERE? MM-HMM.
THEY HAVE A PROGRAM THAT WILL IDENTIFY WHAT IT THINKS IS TREES AND THEN THEY PUT OUT FOR THE WHOLE COUNTY.
SO I HAVE IT FOR THE WHOLE COUNTY.
AND THEN I JUST CHOP OFF EVERYTHING FROM THE, IT'S JUST, I THINK JUST SOME OTHER, MORE JUST FROM A MAPPING STANDPOINT CAN BE, HE WANTS US TO LOOK AT OUR, UM, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE TECHNICAL, BUT THEY, UH, IT'S INTERESTING INFORMATION.
THESE DIDN'T TRANSLATE WELL, THE SMALL MAPS.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TOWNSHIP, WHICH IS JUST A SMALL MAP UP AT THE TOP, THESE ARE ALL THE DIFFERENT SOILS JUST IN PLACE IN THE TOWNSHIP.
AND I MEAN, YOU CAN CERTAINLY LOOK UP A FEW.
I, I'M NOT ENOUGH OF AN ENGINEER TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT MEANS.
I CAN GET A SENSE OF IT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY'RE STILL ALONE.
THAT'S A LITTLE, WE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST IT OH, SUCH A WIDE VARIETY OF MATERIAL IN THIS TOWNSHIP.
AND THEN YOU CAME THE SCENE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, WELL THESE ARE AREAS THAT ARE JUST STRIPPED CLEAN FOR WHERE THE, WHERE SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS WERE AND TOP AND NEW SOIL PUT DOWN.
UM, WHERE IS PARK HOUSE? PARK HOUSE IS, RIGHT.
SO WHAT'S THAT? WHAT'S THAT SAN IS THAT, IS THAT AGRICULTURAL? IS THAT IT'S PROBABLY MOSTLY AGRICULTURAL.
LIKE, AND IT'S ALSO BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY, IT'S HARD TO GET A DISTINCT COLOR.
SO I'D HAVE TO GO AND PULL UP THE MAP ON THE COMPUTER, CLICK ON THIS PARCEL AND SEE WHAT IT WAS.
BUT THAT'S LIKE THE CLY LOAN OR POTENTIALLY THE, THE SILK ON HERE, OR EVEN THE URBAN SHALE AND SANDSTONE.
UM, I THINK I PRODUCED THIS MATT MORE, JUST TO SHOW YOU THE WIDE VARIETY OF SOILS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
THAT'S WHAT I NEVER UNDERSTOOD IS, AND IT'S ALL DIRT TO ME,
AND THAT LIST IS PROBABLY TWICE AS LONG IN THE REST OF THE COUNTY.
SO, SO WHAT'S THE SIGNIFICANCE OF, OF THAT? YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T WANT TO, WHY WOULD SOMEBODY, WHY WOULD SOME ENGINEER OR WELL ANYBODY, WHY WOULD THEY, WHY WOULD THEY CARE ABOUT THAT? CERTAIN SOILS ARE, THE WAY OUR FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE WORKS IS YOU EITHER SHOW US THE FLOODPLAIN AND BY ELEVATION BY STUDYING IT.
OR YOU SHOW US THAT YOU HAVE CERTAIN SOILS IN THE FLOODPLAIN.
LIKE A LOT OF THAT MAP, A LOT OF THE FLOODPLAIN MAP IS ALSO DONE BY THE SOILS.
SO THERE'S CERTAIN SOILS THAT ARE AROUND, OR CERTAIN SOILS THAT ARE PRESENT WHEN YOU'RE IN THE FLOODPLAIN.
CERTAIN SOILS, WHEN YOU'RE UPLAND, CERTAIN SOILS, WHEN YOU'RE FARMLAND, THOSE ARE ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF SOIL.
SO IF THEY, IF A DEVELOPER PULLS THIS MAP UP AND SAYS, OH, I'VE GOT A CERTAIN TYPE OF SOIL, WE SAY TO THEM, WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE FLOOD PLAINS.
EITHER STUDY THE FLOODPLAIN OR YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE FLOOD PLANT ORDINANCE.
YOU HAVE HIGH WATER TABLE OR YOU HIGH WATER TABLE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE SIGNIFICANCE.
AND I THINK FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, IT SHOWS YOU HOW YOU CAN BUILD AND, AND HOW DEEP YOU NEED TO DIG TO STABILIZE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
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AND IN TERMS OF STORMWATER RUNOFF, I MEAN, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, BACK IN THE EIGHTIES WHEN STORM MOTOR RUNOFF BECAME KIND OF THE THING, OKAY, HOW ARE YOU GONNA TAKE CARE OF YOUR, YOUR IMPERVIOUS OR YOU'RE CREATING AND WHERE'S THAT WATER GONNA GO? WE'RE GONNA PUT IT IN THAT SPREADER BASIN OVER HERE.NOW YOU'VE GOTTA DEMONSTRATE RIGHT, THAT, THAT THE WATER, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA FORCE OFF WHAT MIGHT BE ED OR WHATEVER KINDA LAND, UH, IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE RECHARGED.
INTO AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FOURS OR COUNTER, I DON'T EITHER, BUT KNOW LOUD SO MUCH.
THAT'S WHY WHEN YOU HEAR DURING LAND DEVELOPMENT, YOU HEAR, WELL, DURING TENANT OF SKETCH, WE DON'T DO THE PERCOLATION TESTING.
WHEN YOU HEAR, OH, WE'RE GONNA DO PERK TESTING NEXT, THAT'S WHEN THEY COME OUT AND THEY VERIFY THAT THESE SOILS ARE HERE AND IT'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ABSORPTION, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF RUN THROUGH, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THAT'S WHAT I, AN ENGINEER USES THIS FOR.
I, I FIND IT MORE JUST INTERESTING IF YOU WANNA LOOK UP SOME THINGS OF WHAT KIND OF SOIL YOU HAVE AROUND YOUR HOUSE.
YOU KNOW, I'M CURIOUS WHAT THIS PINK IS.
IT COULD BE A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT ONES, BUT, AND WHAT DOES THAT AND WHAT DOES IT MEAN? I MEAN, EVEN, BUT TO A FARMER, EVEN HE WOULDN'T WANT TO KNOW MAYBE CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA GROW SOYBEANS AND IT'S NOT GONNA GROW REAL WELL.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY OF THESE BOOKS ANYMORE.
BUT THESE USED TO JUST BE A MAP AND YOU WOULD JUST FLIP THROUGH THE BOOK UNTIL YOU FOUND YOUR AREA.
AND THEN YOU WOULD GO AND YOU LOOK IN THE WHOLE, BACK HALF OF THE BOOK WAS JUST A DIFFERENT DES DESCRIPTION OF THE SOIL.
THAT WAS RATHER INTERESTING TO READ WHEN YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE LOCATING CERTAIN THINGS, BUT NOW IT'S ALL COMPUTERIZED AND DONE, YOU KNOW, DIGITALLY.
SO IT'S AMAZING THAT THERE'S THAT MANY PROTECTION.
BUT THERE'S CERTAIN SOILS THAT IT'S NOT GOOD TO BUILD ON THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT IF IT, THAT'S, YEAH.
IT'S ALL THE PARKHOUSE PROPERTY
IT'S ALL BAD SOIL CAN'T BUILD.
THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR NEXT PLANE.
WELL, BUT THERE, THERE IS, THERE CERTAINLY ARE SOILS THAT STRUCTURALLY RIGHT.
AND DO YOU KNOW IF THOSE SOILS ARE IN, YOU KNOW, IN OUR AREA? I'D HAVE TO ASK AN ENGINEER AND, AND GO THROUGH MORE WITH THEM.
UM, I KNOW THAT, YEAH, IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE UNBILLABLE JUST MEANS HOW BIG OF A FOOTER YOU HAVE TO HAVE OR HOW DEEP YOU HAVE TO GO.
DEPENDING THAT IT'S MORE THAT THAN, THAN SOMETHING THAT'S NOT UN BUILDABLE.
I MEAN, I THINK HONESTLY, IF WE CAN BUILD AN OCEAN CITY OR IT'S PROBABLY MOSTLY SAND HERE.
COULDN'T BE TOO MUCH OF A CHALLENGE.
BUT I WAS GONNA SAY THAT'S WHERE YOU FIND MORE THING.
SO, AND THEN ANOTHER INTERESTING ONE IS JUST, UM, IT'S A LOT TO LOOK AT.
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THAT IS, THAT IS THE, UH, THAT IS THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE TOWNSHIP.
NOW WHEN YOU'RE IN, UM, LET'S SEE, WHERE IS IT? HASSEN WAY AND FELL DRIVE IN HERE.
AND THIS IS THE HIGHEST POINT OF THE TOWNSHIP.
THIS IS ABOUT 350 FEET OF EY LEVEL.
WHERE'S THAT AT AGAIN? HASSEN DRIVE.
AND THEN HASSEN COMES IN HERE AND THEN IT'S WILSON AND FELL.
IT'S THE, UM, I THINK YOU'RE ON THE BLANK COMMISSION TIME.
IT WAS THE, UH, THE PIERCING DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE HIGHEST ELEVATION OF THE TENSION ALL IN THROUGH HERE.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AS YOU GET, OBVIOUSLY GET CLOSER TO THE RIVER, IT GETS LOWER AND STEEPER WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN IT GETS TO BE SOLID COLORS, THAT MEANS IT'S AN EXTREMELY STEEP SLOPE.
WHEN THINGS ARE VERY CLOSE TOGETHER.
IT'S NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO GET ANY SORT OF LEGAL TEXT ON THIS MAP.
THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYMORE BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY COMES OVER HERE INTO PHOENIXVILLE.
AND PHOENIXVILLE WAS ABLE TO GET PENNED UP TO GIVE IT UP.
I HAVE BEEN ON PENDA FOR YEARS TO TRY TO GET THIS.
AND THEY SAY, WELL, WE DON'T OWN IT.
AND SO I APPROACHED THE OWNERS, WHICH HAPPENED TO BE THE TROUTS.
IT SAYS THE TROUTMAN OWN PIECE.
I'M LIKE, DO YOU KNOW YOU OWN THAT? AND THEY'RE LIKE, NO, NO, WE DON'T OWN THAT.
WE SIGNED THAT AWAY YEARS AGO.
PENDOT DOESN'T KNOW THE TOWNSHIP.
ACTUALLY, WHEN THESE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS ALL CAME IN, WE ASKED THE DEVELOPER TO GIVE US 10 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY OR 10 FEET OF OPEN SPACE ON EITHER SIDE OF, OF THIS EASEMENT OF, OF THAT, OF THAT EASEMENT IN THERE.
SO THAT IF PENDOT EVER SAYS, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GIVING IT UP.
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FOR PEN OUTER, THEY GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL OWNER, WHICH WHO KNOWS IF THEY CAN FIND THAT PERSON OR IF THAT PERSON'S STILL ALIVE AND THEN THEY GO BACK TO, THEN THEY GO TO THE ADJACENT LANDOWNERS.SO NOW THE TOWNSHIP OWNS 10 FEET ON EITHER SIDE OF IT.
SO IF THEY EVER GIVE IT UP, HOPEFULLY THE TOWNSHIP GETS IT.
EVERYTHING'S BUILT AROUND THERE ANYWAY.
WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT A NICE CONNECTOR TRAILER.
EVEN JUST LEAVE IT AS UNDEVELOPED LAND SWATH.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW.
YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU GET BIKES OR, UH, ATVS BACK IN THERE AND YOU WANNA HAVE A LITTLE MORE CONTROL OVER IT.
BUT FOR RIGHT NOW IT JUST, IT JUST REMAINS UNDEVELOPED AND UNACCESSIBLE, YOU KNOW, I WAS LOOKING AT SOME MOLD TOPO MAPS HERE THAT WERE DRAWN WAY BEFORE ANY MONEY COULD LOOK AT STUFF FROM THE AIR.
AND THIS AND THIS SWATH THROUGH HERE IS JUST CALLED THE BLACK ROCK HILLS.
SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT TOPOGRAPHY AND, AND, AND GEOLOGY AND SO FORTH, LIKE THIS LAND FORMATION.
SO THIS, THIS IS KIND OF THE GAP, I GUESS WHERE THE, WHERE THE DAM IS, IS REALLY A YEAH.
WATER GAP IN THE SCHOOL RIVER GOING THROUGH THE BLACK ROCK HILLS.
CAUSE THOSE HILLS EXTEND TO, UH, YEAH.
THIS IS STILL THREE, FIVE FEET, FEET UP IN, HERE'S THE LOW SPOT.
IT'S INTERESTING WHEN YOU DRIVE FROM DOWN 1 29 OR OR DOWN 29 OR CROSS SECOND AVENUE AND CROSS UP THIS BRIDGE, ESPECIALLY IN THE WINTER WHEN YOU'RE COMING UP, UM, ONE 13 GOING
YOU, YOU, YOU DON'T REALLY THINK ABOUT HOW HIGH UP THEY ARE.
I FRIEND WHO ACTUALLY LIVED RIGHT ON THE END AND AT THEIR HOUSE IN THE SUMMER, YOU DON'T THINK ABOUT IT CUZ YOU'RE ALL COVERED IN TREES.
BUT IN THE WINTER OCCASION, YOU GO BACK OUT THERE AND YOU'RE JUST LIKE, YOU COULD REALLY SEE FOREVER.
I MEAN THERE'S A ONE SPOT UP HERE LIKE THAT BACKS UP, I GUESS TO PROVIDENCE HUNT MM-HMM.
ANYWAY, YOU STAND UP HERE AND YOU CAN SEE IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.
YOU KNOW, ON THIS BEND ON THE RIVERS.
REALLY? NO, I JUST THOUGHT THAT MADE FOR AN INTERESTING MAP.
TO GIVE A LITTLE CONTEXT OF THAT, THAT'S A RAILROAD ROOF.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE RAILROAD BRIDGE.
THIS IS, THIS IS THE ONE BLACK BLACK ROCK TUNNEL.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, THAT'S SECOND AVENUE FROM YOUR HOUSE.
THAT'S A, THAT'S UNDER RAILROAD BRIDGE.
AND THEN THE RAILROAD COMES UP.
OH, AND THEN THIS IS, THIS IS THE PERGAM.
ARE THESE GONNA BE UP ON OUR WEBSITE? I I CAN CERTAINLY PUT THEM UP THERE.
I I'VE LITERALLY DONE THEM OVER LIKE THE LAST THREE DAYS.
UM, I CAN, I CAN SEE IF I CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET 'EM UP THERE.
I MEAN, COPIES OF WELL YOU COULD, YOU COULD TAKE THIS ONE IF YOU WANT TO.
I WAS GONNA PUT IT UP IN MY OFFICE, BUT I CAN PUT IT YEAH, YEAH.
AND THEN LIKE, AGAIN, THIS DOESN'T TRANSLATE TO SMALL VERY WELL, BUT IF THERE'S ANY LARGER ONES YOU WANT LARGE, LET ME KNOW.
OR OTHER SMALL ONES OR OTHER INFORMATION.
I MEAN, I, I STILL HAVE A TON OF INFORMATION I'M TRYING TO GO THROUGH.
SO THIS ONE IS, UH, WHICH ONE'S THAT? OH, THIS, THE SECOND, WHAT IS, THIS IS, AND ACTUALLY MURRAY, THIS IS THE OPEN SPACE PARKS BY OWNER, SO THAT WE CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND, HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT THE TOWNSHIP HAS.
UM, I THINK I HAVE WHAT DOES NON-OPEN SPACE MEAN? OH, THAT'S JUST REGULARLY DEVELOPED LAND.
THAT'S LIKE EVERYTHING IN HERE THAT YOU SEE IN WHITE NOW.
I MEAN YOU COULD SUB, YOU COULD SIT HERE AND, AND THE ONE CATEGORY WE PROBABLY DON'T HAVE IS VACANT LAND.
AND THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO SEE.
AND YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE, LIKE FOR PFIZER, WE DIDN'T COUNT THE AREA AROUND THE BUILDING AS OPEN SPACE NOT GOING TO BE DEVELOPED ANY MORE THAN IT IS, KNOCK ON WOOD.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY IT WOULD.
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AS GREEN, MUCH LIKE YOU COUNT AROUND WHITE SPRINGS FARM AS GREEN OR SOME OF THESE OTHER SUBDIVISIONS AS GREEN.IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF JUST TO START TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT, BUT IT JUST, I THINK WHAT I'M TRYING TO SHOW IS JUST HOW MUCH OPEN SPACE WE HAVE, HOW MUCH OPEN SPACE MONTGOMERY COUNTY AND PENNSYLVANIA OWN.
AND THEN WHEN HOA PROPERTIES AND HOA CONTROLLED OPEN SPACE, THERE IS, OKAY, SO THEN IN OTHER WORDS, THIS IS OPEN SPACE THAT CANNOT BE DEVELOPED.
SO, SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE PFIZER PROPERTY, IS THAT PFIZER? THAT'S PFIZER RIGHT HERE.
AND THEY OWN THESE TWO, WHICH TOWN PROBE COULD BE DEVELOPED.
AND SAME THING WITH PFIZER, WHILE PFIZER'S BUILT AND IT'S BUILT TO THE ALLOWABLE DENSITY AND, AND THAT IT IS NOW WITH THE, WITH THE OFFICE MARKET THE WAY IT IS, IF PFIZER CAME BACK IN WITH ANOTHER PROPOSAL AND THE BOARD APPROVED IT, MORE DEVELOPMENT COULD HAPPEN.
I'M NOT SAYING IT WILL, THAT'S NOT AFFABLE.
THAT'S WELL NO, THEY THEY ARE IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'RE APPROVED FOR.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE ZONING CAN'T CHANGE THAT.
THAT'S ALWAYS THE SO, SO EVEN WITH ALL THIS LAND, THEY, THEY TECHNICALLY CAN'T.
THEY, THEY, I THINK THEY HAVE ONE MORE BUILDING THAT THEY CAN BUILD.
WHICH ISN'T VERY MUCH, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT NOBODY'S BUILDING OFFICE.
YOU REMEMBER ALL THOSE PLANS WE HAVE FOR YEAH.
S SE DOESN'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING ANYMORE.
BECAUSE NONE OTHER PEOPLE WANT TO COME BACK TO WORK.
WE CREATED OUR OWN MONSTER THERE.
AND THEN THEY OWN ALL OF THIS RIGHT IN HERE.
EVERYTHING LIKE THE TRAIL OVER THE NEW BUILDING THAT YOU SEE FROM THE ROAD FROM 4 22 IS RIGHT HERE.
AND SO THE BUT THEIR MAIN CAMPUS IS HERE.
AND THEN THEY REALLY ONLY TAKE UP ABOUT HALF OF IT.
THEY HAVE THIS HALF AND THEN THIS HALF IS IS WHERE THEY COLLECT STORMWATER AND IT'S FLOOD.
AND THEN THIS IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S ACTUALLY KELLY'S NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK WE SHOULD PLOW THAT UNDER SINCE HE'S NOT HERE TO DEFEND.
BUT ALL THIS OTHER GREEN IS COMMITTED, COMMITTED OVER NO, I MEAN YOU HAVE LIKE, LIKE THIS, THIS FOR PALE GREEN IS ALL TOWNSHIP.
UM, THE COUNTY OWNS A LOT ON THE RIVER, THE STATE, SOME, NOT A LOT, BUT THEY, THEY DO OWN SOME IN THROUGH THERE.
UM, PEEL GREEN OR THE TOWNSHIP PARKS.
WHY, WHY DOES THE STATE HAVE THAT LIKE THAT? RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS THAT? THIS WINDOW? YEAH.
WHY THEY, I I THINK IT'S PARTIALLY BECAUSE THE, THIS RIGHT OF WAY THAT GOES THROUGH HERE, THE, THE, THE, UM, THIS IS 4 22, THE 4 22 SPUR THAT'S SUPPOSED TO GO THROUGH THERE.
SO I THINK THESE ARE THE THREE THAT THEY, THEY KNOW THEY OWN OUTRIGHT OR THAT I ARE IDENTIFIED BY A RECORDER OF DEEDS BEING OWNED OUTRIGHT.
THIS ONE HERE, THIS ONE HERE, THIS ONE HERE ARE OWNED BY ANOTHER PARTY.
BUT PEN DOT CONTROLS THE PROPERTY RIGHTS.
IT'S A VERY, VERY STRANGE ARRANGEMENT.
AND I, I'VE HAD MY ATTORNEY TALK TO THEIR ATTORNEY AND TRY TO WORK THROUGH IT AND WE CAN'T DO THE WORK THROUGH IT.
OH, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL IT WORKS.
SO THE RIVER CREST AND NINE OAKS, WE JUST CALL 'EM OUT AS RECREATIONAL.
SO, BUT YOU KNOW, BETWEEN OPEN SPACE AND REC, WE HAVE 673 ACRES OF TOWNSHIP PROPERTY THAT CAN'T BE DEVELOPED ANYMORE.
UM, AND THAT'S NOT INCLUDING MUCH IN THE WAY OF HOA PROPERTY.
THIS TOWNSHIP DOESN'T, EXCUSE ME, REALLY TAKE ANY OF THE HOA PROPERTY AGAIN BECAUSE OF THIS, YOU KNOW, IT IS COST THE MANAGE MANAGEMENT ISSUE OF A FAIRLY GOOD NUMBER OF THESE, OF, OF THE DEVELOPMENTS PUT STORM WATER FACILITIES ON THEIR OPEN SPACE, WHICH ISN'T NECESSARILY A BAD NEWS OF THEM.
WE'VE TALKED TO A COUPLE OF SUPERVISORS.
THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO SEE IT RE MEADOW AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THAT'S NOT A BAD STEP FORWARD, BUT IT, IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF A BURDEN OFF THE TOWNSHIP.
SO, BUT, BUT H HOA OWNED RIGHT.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY, THEY CAN NEVER DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY.
UM, WHERE IS THE, UH, THE, UH, MILDRED SMITH S MILDRED S PRESERVE? HIS RIGHT.
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AND THIS IS PO JOHN PAUL.THIS IS THE SCHOOL AND THROUGH HERE.
SO I MEAN THERE'S AREAS THAT, WHILE THEY'RE NOT OPEN SPACE, THERE'S VERY MINIMAL DEVELOPMENT ON THEM.
AND WHAT WAS THAT GIVEN TO THE TOWN AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT? PROVIDENCE CORS, WHICH WAS KNOWN AS THE THP PROJECT BACK IN OH RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.
TO GET THE DENSITY THEY GOT, THEY TRADED.
THE HAS PRESERVED THAT, OR I'M SORRY, THE, THE TAYLOR FARM FIRM.
SO WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH TAYLOR? YOU SHOULD BE THE EXPERT.
WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT THAT
SO, SO WE'VE TRIED THP BOUGHT THIS TO GET THE DENSITY THEY NEEDED HERE.
OH, IT WAS, IT WAS ALL, I THINK IT WAS, UH, ONE THIS CUZ THIS GUY, OH, WAS HIS NAME HIS, HIS, UH, HIS HEADSTONES RIGHT HERE IN THE CEMETERY.
AND I THINK THIS WAS A DIFFERENT OWNER OVER HERE.
I, I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS, I KNOW THAT WE GOT IT FROM THEM.
AND AGAIN, THAT WAS WHEN I FIRST GENERALLY FIRST STARTED OUT.
SO MAYBE IT WAS, MAYBE IT WAS BOUGHT SEPARATELY.
UM, NEVERTHELESS, THAT'S THE OUTCOME.
SO, AND THAT IS NOW TOWNSHIP? YES.
SO WHERE'S, UH, PJ P IT'S THIS PIECE.
SO WHAT'S THAT PIECE OFF THE, THE, YOUR LEFT THING? THESE? NO.
THIS IS THE NINTH GRADE CENTER GOING DOWN HERE.
THIS IS, UM, THE, UH, JOYCE PROPERTY.
I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN IT AS YOU GO UP LEWIS ROAD.
THERE'S THE HOUSE THAT, THERE'S A LARGE FIELD AND THERE'S A HOUSE THAT SITS BY ITSELF.
AND THEY, MR. MR. JOYCE HAS A LIFE LEASE.
SO HE CAN LIVE THERE AS LONG AS HE WANTS TO.
UNTIL HE EITHER PASSES AND IT COMES TO US OR IF HE DECIDES TO MOVE OUT.
SO, BUT IT IS TAHA IT IS TAHA PROPERTY.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE PIECE ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT.
YOU CAN SEE THE BIG SIGN THERE MM-HMM.
WHEN MRS. JOYCE, JOYCE JOYCE DIED, SHE TOLD HER HUSBAND GONNA TO GIVE US THAT OR SELL US THAT.
JOYCE AND THEN OH REALLY? YES.
AND THEN, UM, AND THIS PIECE, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS PIECE, BUT THAT PROPERTY OWNER'S NOT LOOKING TO SELL AT THIS POINT.
SO, UH, TO, TO, LIKE, IF YOU WANT TO STROLL THE HESS PROPERTY OR JOYCE CAN, CAN YOU DRIVE IN THIS LANE? IS THERE A PARK THERE? THERE'S A PARKING LOT IN HERE.
RIGHT SIR? RIGHT IN THE BEGINNING.
YOU CAN'T GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH THIS.
THIS RIGHT OF WAY GOES ALL, ALL THE WAY TO, UM, BUCK, BUCK WALTER.
YOU COULD BE, COULD BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT THAT'S IN A TEMPERATURE VEHICLE THAT CAN UNLOCK IT.
UM, YOU COULDN'T NECESSARILY GET THROUGH THERE, BUT THERE THEY HAVE PUT A PARKING LOT IN THERE.
JUST A MECHANIC THAT YOU CAN WALK AROUND.
I I I WOULD JUST LIKE TO WALK THE UH, YEAH, CUZ HE PLANTED THAT WHOLE THING IN OAK TREES.
IT'S, IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO WALK AROUND.
JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE YOUR TICKET PROOF.
CAUSE YOU KNOW, DO YOU GUYS KNOW WHO CLAY HESS WAS? YEAH.
SO HE, I THINK THIS WAS HIS PROPERTY HERE.
NO, I, I THINK THE HESS PROPERTY IS THIS PIECE.
I THINK MR. HESS, HIS SON STILL LIVES HERE UNLESS HE PASSED.
AND THEN HIS NIECES, CLAY HAS HIS CHILDREN LIVE WHEN HE SUBDIVIDED THIS PIECE.
UM, HE SUBDIVIDED THIS HOUSE, HIS HOUSE OFFER IT, AND TWO HOUSES HERE FOR HIS NIECES.
AND THEN THIS WAS RICK ACROSS ROAD.
NOW I'M NOT SURE WHO MR. FOLEY GOT THE PROPERTY FROM.
MAYBE IT WASN'T, MAYBE IT WAS A HESS AS WELL.
WELL I THINK HESS'S HOUSE IS, THEY JUST RENOVATED IT.
THEY JUST, THEY TOOK IT ALL DOWN AND BACK UP.
SO, SO ONCE FOLEY'S DEVELOPED, YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO WALK FROM THE TAYLOR FARM THROUGH RIDGEWOOD, DOWN THROUGH WBS DEVELOPMENT, UH, FOUNDERS ESTATES THROUGH THIS PROPERTY.
I'VE HEARD THAT TOLL BROTHERS IS NOT TOLL BROTHERS.
WB IS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT THEY'VE DONE HERE.
THROUGH THIS OPEN SPACE, YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO WALK DOWN THROUGH THIS SIDE OF, UH, THE FOLEY DEVELOPMENT, COME
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DOWN THROUGH HERE, GET INTO THIS PROPERTY AND BE INTO THE HESS PROPERTY.SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO WALK FROM TAYLOR TO HESS ALL OFF ROAD.
UM, THE CHALLENGE WE'RE RUNNING INTO IS WE WANT TO CONNECT THROUGH HERE, BUT THIS LONG STRIP IS PICO AND PICO'S NOT ALLOWING ANYBODY TO PUT TRAILS IN ANYMORE INTO THEIR PROPERTY.
SO WE, WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS COME THROUGH THE JOYCE PROPERTY, GO UP HESS OR GO UP THE PICO RIGHT OF WAY ALONG BECKTEL CONNECT INTO A TRAIL THAT'S BEING BUILT BY THE DEVELOPER OF THE SEVEN UNITS HERE THROUGH THERE.
AND THAT'LL PUT YOU IN THE ENERGY FARM PARK FROM TRAILS.
AND THEN THE CHALLENGE THEN IS GETTING FROM THERE TO BLACKROCK PARK.
ONE 13 IS HARD BECAUSE YOU, YOU'VE SEEN THE HOUSES THAT ARE INCH AND A HALF OFF THE ROAD.
AND THEN WE'RE COMING DOWN TO, WE'VE TALKED TO MR. RADER ABOUT COMING THROUGH THE BACK OF HIS PROPERTY.
STILL HE'S NOT A FAN OF IT, BUT WE'RE HOPING TO KIND OF WORK THAT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, AND THEN YOU CONNECT DOWN THROUGH THERE.
YOU EVENTUALLY, VALLEY TORCH BAPTIST IS GOING TO BE HELPING US OUT WITH A TRAIL.
WE OWN A FEW PIECES IN HERE AND YOU CONNECT TO BLACKROCK PARK AND FROM THERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET TO, FROM BLACKROCK PARK, YOU CAN GET ALMOST ALL THE WAY TO, TO THE PERMA TRAIL.
THERE'S A SMALL AREA BEHIND THE BACK OF THIS GLAXO PIECE HERE.
BUT WE HAVE A TRAIL PLAN, WE HAVE A GRANT FOR IT, BUT WE CAN'T GET GLAXO TO GIVE US THE EMAIL.
AND ISN'T THIS AN OFFICIAL TOWNSHIP TRAIL? YES.
UM, OH, I KNOW WHAT I WANTED TO ASK SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN HERE A LONG TIME IS, UH, MAL THE MALLON PROPERTY THAT WAS ACROSS THE STREET.
SO, BECAUSE I WAS READING IN THE PAPER UP IN BIRDS IN ROBESON TOWNSHIP, I GUESS YOU PASSED AWAY SEVERAL YEARS AGO MM-HMM.
AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM HERE? UM, HIS DOG GOT OUT, THE POLICE CAME AND TOLD HIM TO GET HIS DOG.
HE GOT ANNOYED AND ANGRY WITH THE TOWNSHIP AND SAID, I WILL NEVER GIVE YOU THE PROPERTY THAT HE WAS GOING TO GIVE US.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT HE WAS GONNA, THAT'S THE, THAT'S MY ANECDOTAL UNDERSTANDING IS THAT HE WASN'T, AND THIS IS NOT OBVIOUSLY THE POLICE CHIEF NOW, OR EVEN THE POLICE CHIEF BEFORE HIM MM-HMM.
THE POLICE CHIEF BACK IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS OR WAY BEFORE THAT DIDN'T HANDLE THE SITUATION WELL.
SOUR THE RELATIONSHIP WITH, SO THAT'S WHEN RIVER CREST AND TOLL AND, AND ALL OF THAT STARTED WORKING IN THE PROCESS.
I I MEAN I KNEW IT GOT DEVELOPED.
I JUST DIDN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE BACKSTORY WAS.
IT WAS THE PHOENIXVILLE AIRPORT.
BUT WHEN I MOVED HERE, IT, I, YOU KNOW, I KNEW IT HAD BEEN AN AIRPORT MAL BOUGHT, CAUSE HE HAD A PLANK AND IT HAD A QUANTIFIED HANGER THERE.
SO THAT BECAME HIS OWN PRIVATE REPORT.
AND THEN HE, HE HAD A CHRISTMAS TREE FARM.
YOU GUYS REMEMBER THAT? NO, I DON'T REMEMBER THAT.
SO HE HAD A CHRISTMAS TREE FARM AND HE SIGN HEARD FROM BLACK ROCK ROAD, UH, CHRISTMAS TREES FREE TO NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS AND CHURCHES.
THE REST OF THE TREES WERE LIKE $2
I REMEMBER THE, UH, DOWN THE ROAD MOST TIME THE, UH, THE BOY SCOUTS WHEN THEY WERE OH YEAH.
THEY'RE COULDN'T GET KIND OF GET THIS, BRING US FULL CIRCLE BACK TO, TO WATER WOLVES.
AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THESE ARE THE OFFICIAL NAMES OF BRANCH SCOOP RIVER, TRIBUTARY SCOOP RIVER.
I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT DONNIE BROOK, YOU KNOW, TRIBUTARY, DONNIE BROOK, TRIBUTARY DONNYBROOK.
THERE WAS A WOMAN AND YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE SIGNS WHEN YOU GO TO LONDON DOMINGO, HER NAME'S ALICE LANG AND IT'S FRIENDS OF BINGO CREEK.
SHE, SHE'S MOVED OUT OF TOWNSHIP.
UM, BUT SHE MADE AN EFFORT TO REALLY FIND AND IDENTIFY A LOT OF THE CREEKS AND NAME.
SO I, I GUESS WHAT I'M SORT OF SUGGESTING IS THIS IS HER WORK.
AND, AND I'VE GONE THROUGH AND I'VE DONE SOME MAPPING OF IT, AND THIS IS GOING BACK 15 YEARS NOW, BUT I GUESS IS MAYBE OUR FIRST OFFICIAL ACTIONS.
MAYBE IF WE COULD GO BACK THROUGH THIS, LOOK THROUGH IT AND SORT OF IDENTIFY WHERE THESE CREEKS ARE, RENAME THEM, AND THEN LET'S START THE PROCESS OF GETTING RID OF BRANCH COCO RIVER AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S FUNNY BECAUSE, UH, PARTICULARLY THIS CREEK WAS VERY
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YEAH.AND I WAS LIKE, WHAT'S THE NAME THAT I, I, I WAS JUST NAMING IT.
THE UM, WHO'S THE FARMER'S LAST NAME DISAPPEAR.
UM, WELL I KNOW THAT DEVELOPMENT IS, UH, CO KA KA.
OF COURSE THAT WOULD BE INFUSING.
AND, AND THIS IS, SARAH WAS ABLE TO GET THIS CUZ SHE KNOWS ALICE PRETTY WELL.
AND SO I'M GONNA MAKE A COPY OF THIS AND SEND THIS TO EVERYBODY.
IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME BACK AND GET A HARD COPY, THEY CAN DO IT.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE, CAN YOU SAY IT'S GONNA WORK? WHAT, WHAT'S WHAT? SHE'S GONE THROUGH AND DONE, DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH AND, AND, AND COME UP WITH SOME NAMES USING LEIPE LANGUAGE AND SOME OTHER THINGS.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT I'M WEDDED TO ANY OF IT.
I THINK IT'S PROBABLY GREAT WORK.
BUT LET'S SEE FROM AN EAC WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND WE JUST WANT TO ADOPT THAT AS IT IS AND GO FROM THERE.
THAT'S ONE THING IF WE WANT TO SORT OF LOOK AT IT AND GO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE WANT TO NAME THIS AFTER, LIKE YOU SAID, OBVIOUSLY NOT CONCRETE, BUT IF YOU CAN THINK OF A LOCAL FARMER, DROMAN CREEK.
LANG CREEK, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, UM, WE CAN MAKE THOSE SUGGESTIONS AND THEN WE'LL WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS ON HOW TO GET THOSE NAMES ADOPTED AND THEN SIGNED AND ALL THAT.
WHO WAS THIS LADY AGAIN? HER NAME IS ALICE LANG.
AND YOU, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN HER SIGNS FOR THE MGO CREEK, UM, WATERSHED FOR FRIENDS OF MINGO CREEK.
SHE ORGANIZED, SHE USED TO ORGANIZE, UM, HERE'S A SMALLER VERSION OF IT.
SHE USED TO ORGANIZE MINGO CREEK CLEANUP THINGS TO WHERE SHE WOULD GET A GROUP.
YEAH, NOW I REMEMBER HER, YEAH.
COME AROUND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND YEAH, SHE WAS, SHE WAS INVOLVED WITH THE OPEN SPACE COMMITTEE WHEN WE HAD ON, I KNEW HER.
AND, AND WHEN THAT SORT OF KA OUT OF CONTROL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S DISBANDED.
DID YOU? OH, MY WIFE KNEW HER.
OH, YOU KNOW WHERE SHE, I'D HAVE TO ASK SARAH.
SHE USED TO COME OUT ON THE, UH,
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHEN SHE STARTED, PUT SOME NAMES IN THERE.
UM, I THINK OUR, THE SHAPE FILES, WHEN I SAY SHAPE FILE, I MEAN THE, UM, THE INFORMATION THAT I PUT ON THE MAPS THROUGH GIS, IT, IT'S CALLED SHAPE FILES.
IT'S JUST BASICALLY DIFFERENT LAYERS OF INFORMATION.
IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE ACCURATE THAN WHAT SHE HAD BACK IN THE DAY.
I MEAN, THAT'S NOT TOO OLD, BUT, UM, UM, THAT IS A YES.
THAT IS A, I THINK SO YOU SAY SHE MOVED, HUH? I THINK SO.
SHE USED TO WALK AROUND ALL THE TIME AND, YOU KNOW.
NO, PEOPLE NOT GRASS DON'T CUT.
SHE SAYS IF YOU CUT THAT GRASS, IT ALL ENDS UP INRO CREEK.
SO I WILL MAKE A COPY OF ALL THIS AND DISTRIBUTE IT.
UM, AND THEN, UM, MAYBE FOR THE NEXT MEETING, IF, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE SOME SKETCHES OR NOTES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEN, THEN WE CAN MAYBE MOVE THAT ALONG AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
WELL, UM, SO I DUNNO IF THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION OR NOT TO, BUT I THINK IT GIVES A LITTLE DIRECTION.
I FEEL DIRECTLY, WELL, LOOK, I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT ONE WELL, I WAS GONNA SUGGEST THAT MAYBE WE PICK SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BILL'S THING, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT I MEAN, MAYBE THAT'S FOR US TO START, IT'S TOO BIG.
AND THAT'S WHY I SORT OF WAS THINKING THIS, THAT, THAT IT WAS INFORMATION THAT WAS AVAILABLE.
IT WAS SOMETHING THE TOWNSHIP SORT OF PUSHED ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO AND SORT OF DIED ON THE VINE.
AND I THOUGHT MAYBE WHAT DID THEY PUSH IT TO TO GET THIS MOVED FORWARD WITH NAMING IT, THINGS LIKE THAT.
I MADE THE MAP AND AFTER THAT I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, BUT, UM, THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT MAYBE THIS COULD BE A, YOU KNOW,
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YOU, YOU MADE CREATE THIS MAP.WELL, I MADE, I MADE THIS MAP AND THERE WAS A MAP THAT WHERE I HAD ACTUALLY PUT THE NAMES ON THERE THAT SHE HAD WANTED.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENED TO THAT.
BUT AGAIN, I, I GUESS AT THE TIME IT WAS ONLY PER SUGGESTING IT.
IF I THINK IF IT COMES FROM THE EAC, THEN MAYBE WE CAN RUN.
SO IT NEEDS TO BE OFFICIALLY, UH, UH, ACCEPTED AND ACCEPTED VETTED A LITTLE BIT BY, BY MORE THAN JUST ONE PERSON.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFIC ACTION ITEMS, TOM? WELL, YEAH, WELL SURE.
ACTION ITEMS. BUT SOMETHING EVEN MORE, UM, SUBSTANENT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THIS IS GREAT.
WE'VE NAMED THE CREEKS AND THAT, AND MOST PEOPLE I WOULD ASSUME AREN'T GONNA REALLY CARE.
UM,
I THINK IT HAS SOME IMPORTANCE.
WELL, I, YEAH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THAT IS THEN PLEASE HELP ME.
TOM, WHEN WE'RE, WHEN JUST IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS WE WERE GOING THROUGH WITH YOUR KEY STATION AND THEY'RE DOING THEIR, THEIR LETTER OF MAP REVISION IN THERE, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT GOT KICKED BACK TO THE TOWNSHIP WAS THE CREEK, ONE OF THE CREEKS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE FLOODPLAIN AND, AND REVISING THE MAP IS CALLED, THE BRANCH IS CALLED AN UNNAMED TRIBUTARY.
FEMA KICKED IT OUT AND SAID, YOU CAN'T CALL IT THAT.
NOW, I MADE A CREATIVE INTERPRETATION OF THE MAP FOR THE ENGINEER FOR A TIMELINESS AND SAID, WE'RE GONNA CALL THAT A BRANCH OF THE DONNYBROOK.
WHICH IS I THINK WHAT'S ON THERE.
SO THERE IS A REAL WORLD APPLICATION TO NAMING THIS.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S EARTH SHATTERING.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT EVERYBODY'S GONNA WALK AROUND AND GO, OOH, THAT'S FINE.
YOU KNOW, MANO CREEK'S ALWAYS GONNA BE CALLED LINGO BRICK.
I'M, I'M, AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE, WE RENAME OUR SECTION OF THE SCHOOL JUST, YOU KNOW, RENAME IT.
WELL, AND I THINK TOO, LIKE, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, UH, AN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SITUATION MM-HMM.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE RELATING TO THE SUPERVISORS MEETING ON MONDAY, BUT WE'VE HAD THAT EXACT SITUATION TWICE IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS, TWO MONTHS.
WHERE SOMEONE HAS, WHO MORE THAN LIKELY WAS LOOKING TO HARM THEMSELVES, HAD LEFT THEIR HOUSE AND THEY'VE, THE, THE, I MADE MAPS, I MADE A SECTION OF THE TOWNSHIP THAT WAS GUARDED OUT FOR, YOU KNOW, I NAME AS MUCH AS I CAN SO THAT WHEN THE POLICE AND THE FIRE ARE LOOKING FOR THEM, THEY CAN CALL OUT ON THEIR MAP, OH, I'M AT THIS INTERSECTION, OR I'M AT THIS TRIBUTARY THING LIKE THAT.
SO AGAIN, GPS TOO, RIGHT? YES.
SOMEBODY'S LOST OR, UH, LET'S SAY SOMEBODY'S BURGLARIZING A NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WE'VE GOT TO ATTRACT THAT PERSON, YOU KNOW, HE CAN COMMUNICATE TO EACH OTHER.
HE JUST CROSSED THE SUCH AND SUCH CREEK AND HE'S IN THE BACKYARDS OF SOMETHING.
OH, OH, THERE'S SOME GOOD SHAL.
UM, I WAS THINKING MORE LIKE THINGS LIKE, OKAY, UM, UH, PLASTIC.
HAVE THE SAME THOUGHTS YOU IS LIKE AS AN C WHAT ARE SOME THINGS? AND I I DID WANT TO ASK YOU CAUSE I'M NOT SURE, UH, A WHOLE LOT OF EVIDENCE, BUT PENNSYLVANIA IMPLEMENTED A CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
AND THE, THE WHOLE IDEA IS, OKAY, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S TOO MUCH CARBON IN THE ATMOSPHERE, WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT IT? SO, SO THEN THERE'S A PROGRAM UNDER THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN IS CALLED THE LOCAL CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
IF YOU GO ON THE WEBSITE, YOU CAN SEE THE MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE SIGNED ONTO IT.
I WATCH THE PRESENTATION I PERSON IN REDDING WHO WAS ACCEPTING THE FACT THAT THEY GOT THEIR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN IN PLACE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
IT'S A LOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT OF WORK.
SEE, I'M, I'M TRYING TO GET SOMETHING THAT ISN'T A LOT OF, THAT'S MY POINT.
I'M TRYING TO GET SOMETHING THAT'S NO, NO, BUT OKAY, BUT HERE'S, LEMME HERE'S ANOTHER ONE.
HERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT I SEE ON THE TIME.
I, I DRIVE THROUGH AND I'M SURE EVERYBODY ELSE'S NEIGHBORHOOD, I SEE THESE PEOPLE, THEY BUY THESE BIG FREAKING, UH, UH, PAPER BAGS FROM WALMART OR, UH, WALMART OR O DEPOT, AND THEY FILL THEIR STUFF WITH GRASS AND THEY SET 'EM OUT FOR THE GARBAGE.
YOU KNOW THAT, IT'S FUNNY YOU DO THAT, BUT THEY TAKE, TAKE IT DOWN TO THE, TO THE THING WE LANDFILL.
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TOGETHER, WHEN I SAY IT'S A LOT OF WORK, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK.YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S JUST A LOT OF GETTING INFORMATION TOGETHER.
SO NOW WE HAVE A PLAN, SO WE CAN LOOK AT GRASS CLIPPINGS IN BAGS AND WHERE ARE THEY GOING, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
AND SAY, WELL, OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN ADDRESSES THIS FARM MULCH FACILITY.
YOU KNOW, OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN IS RECOMMENDING THAT WE, UH, ELIMINATE A WHOLE SINGLE USE PLASTIC BAGS IN THE TOWNSHIP NOW THAT SUPERVISORS WOULD THEN HAVE TO PASS AN ORDINANCE.
BUT, BUT THIS WAY, WITH THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, AND I DON'T KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I'M WHOLE ABOUT IT.
I DIDN'T READ THE WHOLE STATE GUIDELINES FOR THE PLAN, BUT BASICALLY IT WOULD HELP US IDENTIFY.
BUT WHY SPECIFIC THINGS? I STILL WANNA MAKE IT SIMPLER TO THAT.
WHY CAN'T WE JUST TAKE ONE SUBJECT? ONE THING, OKAY.
PLASTIC BAGS, GRASS CLIPPINGS, PLASTIC BALLS.
INSTEAD OF BUILDING A PLAN, WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHO HAS THE TIME TO DO ALL THAT, TO DO ALL THE WORK AND THE RESEARCH OF THAT.
LET'S JUST PICK ONE ITEM THAT WE ALL CAN AGREE ON.
AND THAT THE OTHER THING THAT YOU MENTIONED WAS THE CARBON FOOTPRINT.
WELL, YOU START GETTING INTO THAT.
NOW YOU'RE GETTING INTO POLITICS.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE THAT ONE, YOU KNOW, BUT SUPERVISORS ARE, I, I, I GOTTA BELIEVE THAT'S GONNA BE VERY, YOU KNOW, HANDS OFF FOR THEM BECAUSE WHO WANTS TO BE TOLD THAT YOU'RE PUTTING TOO MUCH CARBON INTO THE ACCIDENT? WELL, LET, LET'S START WITH THIS.
WHY DON'T, FOR NEXT MEETING, WHY DON'T YOU COME UP WITH A LIST OF FIVE ITEMS THAT YOU THINK YOU WANT, YOU WANT TO EDUCATE THE TOWNSHIP ON? I'M NOT SAYING YOU GOTTA TELL ME HOW YOU'RE GONNA EDUCATE 'EM.
YOU KNOW, BUT IF YOU COME UP, IF EVERYBODY COMES UP WITH FIVE THINGS, THEY WANT TO EDUCATE THE TAXON, YOURS MIGHT BE PLASTIC BAGS.
I MEAN, GUESS YOURS IS GONNA BE MEADOWS, MAYBE
WHAT, NO, WHAT ELSE? UH, I, I MIGHT BE HAPPY TO DO IS MAYBE, UH, LOOK A LITTLE CLOSER TO SOME OF THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES AND WHAT THEY'VE COME UP WITH AS THEIR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
AND MAYBE JUST HIGHLIGHT SOME THINGS IN THERE THAT WE COULD, THAT WE CAN LOOK AT AS, AND THAT'S FINE AS A COMMITTEE AND SAY, HEY, YEAH, THIS DOESN'T LOOK SO BAD.
LET'S, WHAT I DID IS I SPENT SOME TIME AND I GOOGLED OTHER EACS OR EAPS OR WHATEVER THEY HAPPEN TO BE CALLED, WHATEVER TOWNSHIP TO SEE.
IF IT'S NOT ON AN AGENDA, I DON'T HAVE TO KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
SO I LOOKED AT AGENDAS AND I LOOKED AT WHAT PEOPLE WERE DOING FOR AGENDAS, AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SPECIFIC DETAIL.
IT'S A LOT ABOUT EDUCATION, IT'S A LOT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UM, TREE PLANTING PROGRAMS, STUFF LIKE THAT.
I THINK IF YOU COME UP WITH A LIST OF THREE TO FIVE THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO EDUCATE THEM ON AND HOW YOU THINK, YOU WANT TO EDUCATE THEM, WHETHER THAT'S HAVING A SEMINAR HERE OR YOU'D RATHER SEE FLYERS GO OUT OR SOMETHING ON THE WEBSITE, THINGS THAT YOU THINK THAT, HOW YOU THINK YOU WOULD GET THEM OUT, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT.
AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND I AGREE WITH THAT.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD FIRST STEP BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, IF I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS NICE.
I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT IMPORTANT, RIGHT.
BUT THAT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE PEOPLE'S LIFE IN THIS CONCEPT AS, AS OPPOSED TO IF YOU START ATTACKING PLASTIC AND, AND, AND, AND YARD WASTE AND TRASH ON THE ROAD AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT PEOPLE CAN, YOUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR CAN IDENTIFY WITH.
OKAY, BUT WE'RE STILL GONNA DO THIS.
I'M NOT SAYING WE'LL STILL MOVE THIS FORWARD, BUT FOR THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE JULY, JULY, LET'S, LET'S PLAN ON, UM, HAVING A LIST OF THREE TO FIVE THINGS THAT YOU WANNA, THAT YOU WANT YOUR NEIGHBORS TO DO BETTER AT YOU, YOURSELF, AND YOU WANT YOUR NEIGHBORS TO DO BETTER AT.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD START.
AND THEN WE COULD MAYBE IF WE AGREE ON A COUPLE OR ONE OR JUST ONE, I THINK JUST ONE TO START YEAH.
AND THEN WE JUST ATTACK THAT AND WE GO BACK TO THE SUPERVISOR SAYING, WE THINK THE TOWNSHIP OUGHT LOOK SERIOUSLY INTO, IF IT'S THROUGH AN ORDINANCE, IS IT THROUGH, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST A, A, A PUBLICITY CAMPAIGN? YEAH.
IS IT, HOW DO WE GET IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC THAT, HEY, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
AND THEN I THINK THAT'S A GOOD START THEN.
IF THAT'S SUCCESSFUL, THEN WE CAN LOOK AT THE NEXT THING.
I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO APPROACH IT.
I MEAN, I THINK, I JUST DON'T THINK WE CAN, WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME, WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES.
WE DON'T HAVE, AT LEAST I DON'T HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO, TO DO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AT THIS POINT.
I'M WORKING ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STILL.
BUT I THINK IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT LOCAL ACTION PLANS, AND IF YOU WANNA GIVE US A QUICK PARAGRAPH, A QUICK OUTLINE OF WHAT MAKES FOR A LOCAL ACTION PLAN, I THINK THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE THAT I WOULD LOVE TO DO ALL OF THESE THINGS FOR YOU SO I CAN JUST PRESENT YOU THE INFORMATION AND TALK ABOUT IT.
BUT I THINK IT'S BETTER IN THE LONG RUN IF YOU DO IT.
AND IF YOU DO THOSE THINGS WE'LL GET 'EM ON THE AGENDA AND IF THERE'S ANY INFORMATION YOU NEED BETWEEN NOW AND JULY, JUST LET ME KNOW AND WE'LL, WE'LL GET YOU WHAT WE CAN.
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OKAY.I THINK DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH.
THERE'S THIS LARGER, ONE OF THE, UH, THE STORMWATER FACILITIES.
THAT'S THE ONE THAT THE BLACK, YEAH.
THIS IS THE, THIS IS WHEN A DEVELOPMENT GOES IN FOR, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE AMELIA STREET, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHERE THE PIPES ARE.
LOOKS LIKE MY LINE'S GOT BEEN BLOWN OUT BY THE PRINTER.
BUT THIS SHOWS YOU ALL OF THE UNDERGROUND STORMWATER PIPES AND BASINS THAT THE TOWNSHIP HAS ALL THROUGH IT.
AND, AND THE BASINS ARE SHOWING UP LIKE LITTLE PLOTS OVER WATER.
THAT'S, THEY'RE THE ONES WITH LIKE LITTLE LAKES.
SEE, THAT'S A BIG, THAT'S A BIG YEAH.
AND, AND FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS THE, THIS IS WHAT THE, THE MS FOUR PLAN, THE ENGINEERS COME UP WITH.
I MEAN, THIS IS MORE JUST, I JUST WANNA GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION AND, AND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SEE A, AN INLET IN YOUR FRONT YARD OR IN, YOU KNOW, ON THE STREET, YOU DON'T THINK ABOUT WHAT IT'S REALLY CONNECTED TO.
I TEND TO, BECAUSE THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT PROCESS.
SO WHEN I'M, YOU KNOW, WHEN I'M SEEING SOMETHING, I'M LIKE, OH, WHERE'S THAT GO? AND YOU CAN START TRACING IT OUT.
AND I'M JUST THAT KIND OF GEEK.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S JUST AN INTERESTING MAP TO, TO SEE IT'S A GAP BALL C AND IN TERMS TO UNDERSTAND IT, YEAH.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO WITH IT.
NO, I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S ANYTHING.
AND EVEN IF I WAS TO LAY THE SEWER PIPES ON TOP OF THIS, IT WOULD YEAH.
IT'S AMAZING HOW MUCH STUFF IS UNDERGROUND.
YOU THINK ABOUT, WELL, AREN'T, AREN'T THESE SEWER PIPES? NO, THESE ARE STORM WATER.
THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE SANITARY THAT ALL GOES, BASICALLY EVERYTHING KIND OF GOES THIS WAY DOWN THE PUMP STATION OR DOWN TO THE, THE, THE DOWN THERE THAT, YOU KNOW.
BUT THESE HORSE UNDERGROUND STORM BUTTER.
YEAH, THOSE ARE UNDERGROUND STORMWATER PIPES.
THEY GO INTO MGO, RIGHT? YEAH.
THEY BASICALLY DRAIN INTO THE CREEKS AT SOME POINT.
LIKE YOU CAN SEE THE ONE FROM RAMBO HERE COMES OUT AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A SMALL OUTFALL PIPE THERE, A SMALL OUT PIPE, PIPE PIPE THERE THAT ALL THE WATER DRAINS DOWN THERE AND MM-HMM.
A LOT OF THESE NEWER NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY'RE FLOWING INTO THEIR, INTO THEIR BASINS.
AND THEN THERE MIGHT BE A, AND THAT BASIN USUALLY FLOW.
THAT, THAT BASIN USUALLY RECHARGES.
SO IT, IT DOESN'T, OR IT RELEASES INTO A CREEK LIKE THESE RELEASE INTO THE, INTO THE CREEK HERE THAT GOES INTO ANDERSON FARM PARK.
UM, THIS METHOD OF LOOKING AT MAPS LIKE THIS, OF INDIVIDUAL THINGS IS CALLED, THERE'S A PROFESSOR AT UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA CALLED IAN MCCA CLARK, WHO HE USED TO TAKE MAPS LIKE THIS, AND HE WOULD JUST LAYER AND LAYER AND LAYER LIKE TOPO THAN STORMWATER, THAN ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND YOU GET A BETTER SENSE OF WHAT THE, WHAT THE LAND FORM IS AND WHY THE LAND WORKS THE WAY IT DOES WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT LAYERS.
I MEAN, IF WE WERE TO LAYER ALL THIS TOGETHER AND PUT LIKE BUILDING FOOTPRINTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU, I MEAN, AT LEAST FROM MY STANDPOINT, I THINK YOU CAN ALMOST READ THE TOWNSHIP AND YOU CAN UNDERSTAND EXACTLY HOW THE TOWNSHIP SORT OF WORKS AND YOU KNOW WHERE THE OPEN SPACE IS AND WHERE PEOPLE POPULATE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WELL, IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE WE'LL TAKE, UH, MOTION TO ADJOURN.
AND THE NEXT MEETING WAS JULY.
ALL, I ALREADY MARKED MY CALENDAR PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, AT SEVEN.
WE WE'RE NOT HAVING IT TONIGHT.