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READY.[CALL TO ORDER]
OKAY, GOOD EVENING.CALL TO ORDER THE, UH, WEDNESDAY, MAY 3RD, 2023, UH, UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
UH, BEFORE WE GET STARTED WITH OUR AGENDA, I HOPE EVERYBODY GOT A COPY.
UH, I JUST GOTTA READ A STATEMENT.
UH, THERE'S BEEN A CHANGE TO OUR SOUND SYSTEM IN THIS ROOM AND WANT EVERYONE TO BE AWARE THAT WE NOW HAVE LIVE MICROPHONES AS WELL AS LIVE VIDEO CAMERAS ALL THE TIME.
SO IT'S PICKING UP EVERYTHING YOU SAY.
SO PLEASE BE AWARE OF THAT, THAT EVERYTHING NOW IS BEING RECORDED.
UM, SO MOVING FORWARD WITH OUR AGENDA, UM, UH,
[MOTION TO APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA]
MOTION TO APPROVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA, UM, WHICH IS, UH, TONIGHT IS ONE, UM, APPLICANT CATALYST WAREHOUSE.SO, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
AND I'LL MAKE IT, UH, UH, A, UM, A MOTION.
UM, OUR AGENDA FOR, FOR THIS EVENING.
UH, NEXT WOULD BE PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, I KNOW WE HAVE A COUPLE PEOPLE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC.
ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A COMMENT ON ANY NON-AD AGENDA ITEMS? NON-AD AGENDA ITEMS? OKAY.
[GENERAL DISCUSSION ITEMS]
NEXT, UH, UH, PIECE OF BUSINESSES ARE, ARE PLANNING COMMISSION, MEETING MINUTES.WE HAVE TO APPROVE THAT, REVIEW THEM, AND APPROVE IT.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IT'S BEEN TWO MONTHS SINCE WE'VE HAD A MEETING.
UM, AND I GUESS YOU CAN PULL WHATEVER STORY YOU WANT AROUND THAT, BUT, UM, WE'VE, UH, IT'S BEEN A COUPLE MONTHS.
SO, UH, THE MEETING MINUTES THAT WE'RE REVIEWING ARE FROM MARCH 1ST.
THIS IS YEAR MOVES QUICKLY BY ME.
SO EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE MINUTES.
THEY'RE, UH, PAGE TWO OF YOUR PACKET.
UM, AND IF, UH, YOU HAVE REVIEWED 'EM, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR ADDITIONS OR SUBTRACTS, I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM MARCH 1ST.
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT NOW.
SO WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE TWO, UH, AND WE WILL ALL IN FAVOR, WE APPROVE IT AND, UH, WE'LL MOVE ON,
[APPLICATIONS TO BE HEARD ON MAY 3, 2023]
UH, OUR APPLICANT, CATALYST WAREHOUSE, AND MAY I ASK WHO'S HERE TO REPRESENT THEM? STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, YOUR NAME, AND WHAT PLACE OF BUSINESS, WHATEVER.I'M A LAWYER WITH OBERMEYER REDMOND, MAXWELL HIPPEL, AND HERE ON BEHALF OF CATALYST COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TONIGHT.
UM, I HAVE WITH ME TONIGHT, UH, AARON UCHIN.
I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC MAY BE A CONCERN, AND WE GOTTA ADDRESS THAT, AND HE'LL BE HERE TO DO THAT.
AND THEN, UH, KIM SNAT, SHE'S FROM RTU.
UH, SHE'S THE CIVIL ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT, AND SHE DOESN'T HAVE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.
IT'S A BASIC, UM, 125,000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE WHERE THE TOWNSHIP ALREADY APPROVED PREVIOUSLY A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE.
UM, IT'S IN THE, UH, PROVIDENCE BUSINESS CENTER, OAK TWO.
AND, UH, WE'RE HERE TO, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THERE WERE SOME REVIEW LETTERS.
UH, WE'RE HERE BECAUSE OF A CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE SO LUCKY TO GET THE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL, WE'LL BE BACK AND WE'LL BE BACK FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT, AND WE'LL BE BACK TO TALK ABOUT IN MORE DETAIL AND, YOU KNOW, MORE GRANULARLY ABOUT THE THINGS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY WANT TO GO THROUGH, STORM WATER, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AS FAR AS THE CONDITIONAL USE GOES, IT'S ABOUT THE USE AND THE USE OF THE WAREHOUSE WAS APPROVED AND A CONDITIONAL USE AS YOUR SOLICITOR.
UH, WOULD ME WOULD TELL YOU, WOULDN'T TELL YOU, OH, JOE, I'M SORRY, JOE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NEITHER, UH, IT'S A, IT'S A PERMITTED USE UNLESS YOU PUT IT SOMEWHERE WHERE IT'S GONNA CAUSE SUCH AN UNUSUAL THREAT TO HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE, UH, THAT THEY CAN'T APPROVE IT, OTHERWISE, IT'S JUST A REGULAR WAREHOUSE USE.
UM, YOU'LL HEAR FROM THE CONSULTANTS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CONCERN, RIGHT? IS THIS GONNA BECOME A DISTRIBUTION CENTER? OH MY GOD, IS AMAZON COMING? EVERY TIME YOU HEAR WAREHOUSE? UM, OUR GUYS WILL TELL YOU IT, THIS IS TOO SMALL.
UH, FOR ONE, THE FOOTPRINT OF 125,000 SQUARE FEET IS NOT, AND I'LL LET THE EXPERTS TELL YOU AND LET YOU ASK THEM, BUT JUST GIVING YOU THE PREVIEW, IT'S JUST NOT BIG ENOUGH TO ATTRACT THAT KIND OF USER.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL HEAR FROM CATALYSTS IF YOU LIKE.
IT SAYS THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THEIR BUSINESS MODEL ANYWAY.
THEY'RE NOT THERE TO LOAD THIS WITH, UM, A HUGE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, DISTRIBUTION, UH, TYPE CENTER.
THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A SINGLE OR TWO USERS TO, UH,
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YOU KNOW, TO WAREHOUSE THEIR PRODUCT HERE.AND, BUT I'LL LET THEM, THEY'RE THE EXPERTS.
UM, AND, UH, THAT'S MY PREVIEW.
I'LL LET THEM SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.
CAN YOU JUST GIVE US A LITTLE HISTORY OF WHAT THE, UM, OF WHAT THE PROCESS WAS? NOW YOU'RE NOT THE ORIGINAL PEOPLE THAT WERE BEFORE US A COUPLE YEARS AGO OR WHATEVER IT WAS.
COULD YOU JUST GIVE, GIVE US UP TO SPEED ON THAT? YEAH, SURE.
SO ORIGINALLY THE SITE WAS APPROVED FOR A, UH, LIKE A, A REHAB CENTER.
IT WAS A 67 BED, I THINK, REHAB CENTER.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL HEAR FROM OUR GUYS THAT WAS A TRAFFIC GENERATOR, LIKE THAT WAS GENERATING MORE TRAFFIC THAN THE PROPOSED WAREHOUSE, 160 BEDS, MIKE, 160 BEDS, SORRY, WHICH WAS A, A, A MUCH BIGGER TRAFFIC GENERATOR THAN, THAN WHAT CAME NEXT.
AND THAT WAS THE HUNDRED THOUSAND THAT WAS 90,000 SQUARE FEET, A WAREHOUSE SPACE, AND 10,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE.
UM, THIS IS 120 500 OR SO, 124 IN CHANGE.
UH, THOUSAND SQUARE FEET IS STRAIGHT WAREHOUSE.
AND THIS IS LESS THAN THE, UH, REHABILITATION CENTER FOR SURE.
UM, AND THE WAY THAT WE'VE, UM, CATEGORIZED IT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE CATEGORIZED IT FROM AN IT PERSPECTIVE AS WAREHOUSE.
SO, YOU KNOW, FROM AN IMPACT PERSPECTIVE, IT'S, IT'S A LOT LESS THAN WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S IN THE M ONE OFFICE AND LIMITED INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT, SO PROBABLY BELONGS THERE, YOU KNOW, FROM A LEGISLATIVE STANDPOINT.
SO, JUST, JUST SO AGAIN, WE'RE CLEAR, THE, THE PREVIOUS, CAUSE I REMEMBER THE, THE REHAB CENTER, WE APPROVED THAT THEY ARE OUT AND THEY SOLD THE PROPERTY TO YOU.
IS THAT HOW THIS WORKED? WELL, THEY SOLD THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? AND THEN WE HAVE, WE'RE THE EQUITABLE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY.
MEANING WE HAVE, HANG ON ONE SEC, SORRY.
GAMBONE, WHO'S THE DEVELOPER OF THE PROVINCE OF BUSINESS PARK THREE NEVER CLOSED THE DEAL WITH THE REHAB FACILITY WITH, WITH BW R THE SECOND APPLICANT TO COME IN WAS PD, HOME AND GARDENS.
AT SOME POINT THEY WERE AT FINAL PLAN APPROVAL.
THEY DECIDED NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
THEN, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE LEADER, LEGALLY, THEY OWN THE PROPERTY AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
SO GAMBON IS NO LONGER INVOLVED.
IT IS PD HOME IS SELLING TO CATALYST.
CATALYST HAS NOW PUT THE APPLICATION IN GOING FROM A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF WAREHOUSE AND OFFICE SPACE TO 124,000 IN CHANGE WAREHOUSE SPACE.
AND WE HAVE, YEAH, THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS KINDA THE BACKGROUND I WAS LOOKING FOR.
WHAT WAS THE LINEAGE OF HOW THAT ALL THIS ALL GOT TO YOU GUYS? YEAH.
AND THERE'S AN AGREEMENT OF SALE REDACTED IN THE, IN THE PACKET FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PACKET BETWEEN PD HOMES.
AND OUR, AND CATALYST, UH, CATALYST, YOU KNOW, SINGLE PURPOSE ENTITY CODE THAT'S PROSPERITY DRIVE ASSOCIATES, LLC.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY TOO, UM, PD HOME DID WITHDRAW THEIR FINAL PLAN, UH, WITH THE TOWNSHIP.
SO THERE WAS OFFICIAL, THEY GOT NOTIFICATION OF THAT, I THINK A WEEK OR TWO AGO THAT IT'S BEEN OFFICIAL.
HOW DOES IT WORK, JIM? THEY JUST CALL YOU AND SAY, WE'RE OUT.
THEY JUST, THEY JUST, WELL, I DON'T THINK THEY, JOE CAN EXPLAIN THE LEGAL PART OF IT, BUT GENERALLY THEY STILL HAVE A PENDING PLAN AND THEY STILL HAVE AN APPROVED PLAN.
RIGHT? YOU CAN HAVE TWO APPROVED PLAN FOR ONE SITE.
IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF WHICH ONE MOVES FORWARD AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHICH ONE GETS BILLED.
AND YOU CAN HAVE A PRELIMINARY PLAN LAST FOREVER.
AFTER FIVE YEARS, IT HAS TO GET RE-REVIEWED TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY ORDINANCE CHANGES IN THE INTERIM.
BUT YOU CAN GO FOREVER AND EVER.
EVEN, EVEN IF THEY BUILT SOMETHING THERE, THAT PLAN STAYS ACTIVE OF SOME SORT.
WELL, IF IT, IF THEY BUILT SOMETHING, THEN THAT PLAN WAS ACTIVE UPON, BUT I MEAN, YOU CAN JUST SIT ON THE APPROVED PLAN FOR AS LONG AS YOU WANT.
WHO WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT? MAYBE, OR FIRST? OR, OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR TRAFFIC GET RIGHT INTO IT? OR YOU CAN SURPRISE, WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T WE, I THINK TRAFFIC'S THE BIGGEST ISSUE.
WHY DON'T WE LET ERIC GET UP AND, AND THEN MAYBE WE'LL WRAP UP WITH AARON OR HIM WITH YOU IF WE NEED IT.
UM, A A BIT MORE BACKGROUND ON THE SITE.
WHEN GAMBONE OWNED ALL OF PROVIDENCE BUSINESS PARK, WE HAD COMPLETED A MASTER PLAN TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS COMPLETED BACK IN JANUARY OF 2020.
UM, WHICH INCLUDED AT THAT POINT THE B W R UH, REHAB FACILITY.
UM, THE MASTER PLAN STUDY AT THAT POINT REALLY HAD KIND OF ONE MAIN FOCUS, OR TWO, I'LL SAY OPERATIONS OF HOLLOW ROAD AND EGYPT ROAD, AND THEN THE INCORPORATION OF AMA, UM, AN EMERGENCY ACCESS OUT TO EGYPT ROAD THAT'S OPPOSITE MCDADE, UH, WHICH HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED, IT'S BEEN, WAS PERMITTED THROUGH PENDOT AND CONSTRUCTED.
THE QUESTION WAS, IS THERE ANY POINT, UH, DURING THE MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WOULD INDICATE THE NEED FOR THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS TO GO TO A FULL ACCESS DRIVEWAY? AND OUR MASTER PLAN INDICATED THAT BASED ON THE
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USES AT THAT TIME, IT WOULDN'T NEED TO.UM, WE WERE INVOLVED WITH THE PD HOMES SLIGHTLY, I'LL SAY, UH, PROVIDING INFORMATION BASED ON THEIR OPERATIONS, THEIR TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE, WITH THE SITE, UM, WOULD BE LESS THAN THE BWI FACILITY THEY WENT THROUGH, GOT THEIR APPROVALS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
UH, CONTRACTED WITH CATALYST TO DO A SIMILAR TYPE OF, UH, EVALUATION.
UM, YOU'LL HEAR FROM CATALYST THAT, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH THEY DON'T HAVE AN END USER SPECIFICALLY FOR THE SITE, IT WOULD BE SOMEONE SIMILAR TO PD HOMES IN THEIR OPERATIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE CLASSIFY WAREHOUSING IN, IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT LAST MILE DISTRIBUTION TYPE CENTER.
UM, CERTAINLY THE PLAN THAT'S BEEN BEING PRESENTED TONIGHT COULDN'T SUPPORT THAT FOR THAT TYPE OF USE.
YOU WOULD NEED 10 TIMES THE PARKING, BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE ON SITE, WHICH GENERATES A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
UM, WE SEE A LOT OF THESE LOCAL A HUNDRED THOUSAND, 125,000 DISTRIBUTION CENTERS OPERATE VERY SIMILAR TO, TO THE, THE TYPICAL WAREHOUSING, UM, THAT'S DESCRIBED IN THE, IN THE TRAFFIC GENERATION MANUALS.
UM, AND TO THAT END, WE DID PREPARE A, A LETTER THAT, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFIED THAT USE, LOOKED AT THE TRAFFIC GENERATION.
IT WAS REVIEWED BY MCMAHON, UH, ANTHONY AND CASEY.
UH, THEY PREPARED A LETTER, UH, WHICH WE, UM, I DON'T NEED TO GET INTO THE DETAILS OF IT, BUT THEY JUST HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, GETTING SOME MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION ABOUT CATALYST, UM, MODEL AND HOW THEY DEVELOP THINGS, WHAT'S ANTICIPATED FOR THE SITE, AND PERHAPS IDENTIFYING WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS NOT PROPOSED FOR THE SITE, MEANING A DISTRIBUTION WAREHOUSE OR ANY KIND OF PARCEL HUB.
UM, SO WE'RE CERTAINLY GOING TO, UH, YOU KNOW, REVISE OUR LETTER, PREPARE, UH, A RESPONSE AND GIVE THEM ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND WE'LL PRESENT THAT AT, AT THE, THE CONDITIONAL USE HEARING.
HOW, HOW, UM, JUST GENERALLY, BECAUSE THIS COMES UP A LOT NOW WITH A LOT OF WAREHOUSES GOING ON.
HOW DO YOU DESIGN WITHOUT HAVING THE KNOWN USER? WHAT INTENSITY LEVEL DO YOU DESIGN TO MM-HMM.
AND IT'S, THIS IS THE QUESTION THAT'S EVERYWHERE, JOE, FOR SURE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN JUST RUN THROUGH.
SO IN THE WAREHOUSE CATEGORY FROM IT, AND IT IS THE MANUAL BY WHICH YOU DEFINE USES AND THEN GENERATE TRAFFIC FOR IT.
SO THERE'S 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 SUBCATEGORIES SO TO SPEAK.
ONE OF THEM BEING GENERAL WAREHOUSE, THAT LANE USED TO SPIN AROUND FOREVER.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A TYPICAL WAREHOUSE THAT WAS BUILT IN THE SEVENTIES, EIGHTIES, NINETIES, THAT THE GENERATION ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
THERE IS A, UM, THERE WAS A REPORT PREPARED BY N NA O I P, WHICH IS SOMETHING INDUSTRIAL AND YOU KNOW, OPERATORS, THAT TYPE OF THING.
UH, THAT LOOKED AT A BREAKDOWN OF DIFFERENT WAREHOUSES.
UM, AND THEY BREAK DOWN INTO 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ADDITIONAL CATEGORIES.
UM, ONE OF THEM IS, IS CALLED TRANSLOAD AND SHORT TERM STORAGE WAREHOUSE.
UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU SEE.
UH, ALONG LIKE THE 78 CORRIDOR.
THIS WOULD PROBABLY OPERATE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT WHERE IT'S A LOCAL USE THAT STORES, UH, MATERIALS AND DISTRIBUTES THEM TO, YOU KNOW, LOCAL USES, UH, THAT TYPE OF THING.
UM, IT'S USUALLY, UH, IT USUALLY HAS THE, UH, HIGH CUBE CAPABILITIES, MEANING THAT IT'S A LOT OF AUTOMATED, YOU KNOW, THINGS INSIDE.
SO THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE, UH, LAND USES.
AND TO PUT THAT IN CONTEXT, THAT TYPE OF LAND USE PER SQUARE FOOT GENERATES LESS TRAFFIC THAN UH, A WAREHOUSE.
UM, I'M GONNA JUMP TO TWO OTHER ONES.
ONE IS A PARCEL HUB WAREHOUSE.
AND I DID A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THESE CUZ THE QUESTION HAS COME UP.
AND THOSE YOU WOULD TYPICALLY SEE AT LIKE PHILADELPHIA INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, THE UPS FACILITY DOWN THERE WHERE THERE'S ONE OUT IN COLORADO THAT FEDEX RUNS AND THEY LOOK LIKE SPIDERS.
THEY HAVE ALL THESE LEGS THAT COME OUT FROM THEM, ALWAYS AROUND AIRPORTS.
THERE'S PROBABLY 15 OR SO IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY.
SO, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD SEE IN UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP.
UM, THERE'S ALSO COLD STORAGE WAREHOUSES.
UM, WE'RE SEEING SOME OF THESE UP IN THE LEHIGH VALLEY, UH, NOT ENVISIONED HERE BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY THOSE HAVE TYPICALLY A TOWER ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
I DON'T KNOW, AARON, IF YOU CAN YOU DEAL WITH THOSE AT ALL? I DO.
THEY'RE 90 TO A HUNDRED FEET TALL, WHICH I, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD BE INTO VERY DIFFERENT CATEGORY AND APPROVALS WITH THE TOWNSHIP AT THAT POINT.
UH, THEY HAVE A TOWER IN WHICH THEY STORE THE, THE COLD GOODS.
AND THEN THERE ARE THESE, UM, FULFILLMENT CENTER WAREHOUSES AND THEY'RE DIVIDED INTO TWO CATEGORIES, WHICH IS A SORT FACILITY AND A NON SORT FACILITY THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL AUTOMATED.
BUT I WILL SAY THE SORT FACILITY IS THE ONE THAT PEOPLE FEAR AND THAT'S THE ONE WHERE YOU HAVE HUNDREDS AND OF OF WORKERS GOING
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THERE TO INDIVIDUALLY SORT THINGS THAT GO OUT IN TRUCKS.AND FOR THOSE TYPES OF FACILITIES, THAT'S THE ONE I DESCRIBE WHERE YOU WOULD NEED EMPLOYEES, YOU KNOW, 10 TO 15 TIMES WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IN A TYPICAL WAREHOUSE.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S ALL SORTED BY HAND.
AND CERTAINLY IT'S NOT THE MODEL THAT'S PROPOSED HERE.
UH, YOU HAVE SEEN 'EM PROBABLY, UH, THERE WAS A FEDEX THAT WAS PROPOSED IN OAKS AND THAT WOULD, THAT THAT'S A VERY SPECIFIC END USER, VERY SPECIFIC, UM, ANALYTICS TO HOW THEY RUN THEIR BUSINESS.
AND THAT WAS ANALYZED AS SUCH FOR THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, THIS IS A SPEC WAREHOUSE AND THE GOAL IS TO IDENTIFY A USER THAT WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO THE PD HOMES OPERATION.
UM, WHICH WOULD OPERATE AS A TYPICAL WAREHOUSE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IN THE SCHEME OF TRAFFIC WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN AN HOUR'S TIME.
YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, 20 TO 25 TRIPS THAT OCCUR DURING LIKE RUSH HOUR IN THE MORNING AND RUSH HOUR IN THE AFTERNOON.
THEY TYPICALLY START, UM, OPERATIONS EARLIER IN THE MORNING, 5:00 AM 4:00 AM TO GET THOSE TRUCKS OUT EARLIER.
SO IT'S NOT A LOT OF BURDEN ON THE, UH, RUSH HOURS TRAFFIC.
UM, SO AGAIN, WE'LL BE GIVING ANTHONY AND CASEY MORE INFORMATION ON THE OPERATIONS.
CERTAINLY WHAT WE ENVISION IS IT'S GOING TO BE WHAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S HIGHER GENERATORS AND UH, PRESENT THAT AT CONDITIONAL USE.
ANTHONY, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO FILL US IN ON? UH, YOUR LETTER'S PRETTY INVOLVED 40 PAGES.
SO FOR CASEY'S LETTERS,
NO, NO, BUT THE, UM, YEAH, I THINK A LOT OF WHAT ERIC WAS CLARIFYING TONIGHT WAS A LOT OF THE CONCERN ON OUR END BASED ON THE TRIP GENERATION LETTER THAT WAS PROVIDED.
THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS THROUGHOUT THE LETTER ABOUT LIKE, UH, LIKE WAS MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, IS IT A DISTRIBUTION CENTER? YES.
WHAT YOU ALWAYS WORRY ABOUT FOR WORST CASE SCENARIO, IN WHICH CASE WE CHANGE A LOT OF THE PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED MASTER STUDY SCOPE AND IMPACTS TO INTERSECTIONS, ET CETERA.
SO THAT'S A LOT OF WHAT'S CONTAINED IN OUR LETTER.
UM, A LOT OF THE CLARIFICATION WHERE WE'RE REQUESTING, UM, WAS A LOT OF WHAT ERIC WAS PROVIDED TONIGHT, WHICH IS GOOD TO HEAR.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WERE ASKING FOR.
WHAT, WHAT IS IT NOT GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, AMAZON, UM, AND A AND A MORE DRILLED DOWN VERSION OF EXACTLY WHAT THEY ENVISION SO WE CAN BETTER IDENTIFY THE, THE TRICKS.
CUZ CERTAINLY THIS TRIP GENERATION AS WITH PD HOMES FOR THE USER IDENTIFIED LESS OVERALL TRIPS.
BUT WITHOUT SOME OF THESE OTHER QUESTIONS ANSWERED, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO, WE WEREN'T CONFIDENTLY ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, WE'RE, WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
UM, SO I THINK UPON SEEING SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IT SOUNDS LIKE ERIC'S GONNA BE PROVIDING, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT FOR SURE.
UM, AND THEN ASSESS THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
THE ONE THING, UM, YOU KNOW, UNLESS I GOT YOU BEFOREHAND, I GUESS ERIC, BUT THE, THE OTHER THING THAT WE WERE WONDERING AS PART OF THIS IS, YOU KNOW, TRUCKS OBVIOUSLY WITH BW R AND PD HOMES, WE HAD A BETTER HANDLE ON, UH, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC TRUCK USE PD HOMES WAS A, WAS PREVIOUSLY UPPER PROVIDENCE BUSINESS.
WE KIND OF KNEW WHAT SORT OF TRUCKS TO EXPECT, I GUESS, WITH THAT.
BUT THIS ONE LITTLE UNCLEAR, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE TRUCK VERSUS A FEW CARS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN, IN QUEUING.
SO, YOU KNOW, ONE TRUCK QUEUED VERSUS ONE CAR QUEUED IS A BIG DIFFERENCE.
UM, SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT NUMBERS, WHAT THE TRIP GEN LETTER DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT WAS, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THAT MEAN THERE'S LONGER QUEUES EVEN THOUGH THERE'S LESS TRIPS, YOU KNOW, THAT THOSE ARE THE SORTS OF QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WITH SEEING SOME OF THIS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, WE CAN, WE CAN BETTER DRILL DOWN AND GET THERE, I GUESS, AND MAKE SURE WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
AND ANTHONY, I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT I THINK THAT IF WE CLARIFIED, UH, THE, THE USE AND THE TRAFFIC ASSOCIATED WITH IT, INCLUDING THE TRUCKS, UM, A LOT OF THE LETTER THEN IN TERMS OF THE USE AND THE CON MOVING THE CONDITIONAL USE FORWARD, YOU KNOW, IS NOT AN ISSUE.
AND THEN ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY COME UP WITH REGARD SPECIFICALLY TO THE QUEUING OPERATIONS AT HOLLOW AND EGYPT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD TACKLE THAT AS WE MOVE THROUGH LAND DEVELOPMENT.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE KIND OF THE CONVERSATION I HAVE WITH CASEY AND I, YOU KNOW, READING THE LETTER, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PLANNED COMMENTS IN HERE AS WELL THAT I THINK PROBABLY RELATE MORE TO A LAND DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF REVIEW.
IT'S JUST KIND OF COUPLED TOGETHER THAT WE, YOU KNOW, KIM CAN BE AWARE OF TO SAY THERE'S NOT GONNA BE AN ISSUE.
WE, WE CAN CERTAINLY ADDRESS THAT DURING LAND DEVELOPMENT, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I I THINK THAT IT'S, I, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT IN TERMS OF THE USE, IF WE ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC GENERATION AND THE TRUCKS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF LAND DEVELOPMENT THINGS THAT WE CAN THEN TACKLE AT THAT POINT.
I'M SORRY THAT I'LL ASK YOU THESE QUESTIONS.
BUT SINCE YOU DON'T HAVE A CURRENT CUSTOMER PLAN RIGHT? YOU DON'T HAVE ANYBODY RIGHT BESIDE THE PAPER.
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YEAH.IS IT POSSIBILITY YOU COULD SPLIT OR TRIPLE THIS BUILDING GOT IT.
FREEZE AND INCREASE THE TRAFFIC? UM, THE WAY THE BUILDING IS DESIGNED, I I DO NOT THINK WE'D BE ABLE TO GET THREE TENANTS.
EXCUSE ME, CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME? OH YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
AARON RUCCI WITH CATALYST, UH, 100 FRONT STREET HAWKIN 19 428.
UM, BASED ON THE DIMENSIONS, THIS, THIS COULD BE PROBABLY SPLIT INTO TWO TENANTS.
I, I DOUBT THAT WE WOULD EVER GO TO THREE TENANTS FOR, FOR THIS TYPE OF BUILDING.
EVEN TWO THOUGH, GONNA INCREASE RENT, WE'LL INCREASE THE TRIPS AND THE TRUCKS AND UM, ALL THAT STUFF, RIGHT? BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT TODAY, RIGHT? WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT, THAT THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE A POSSIB AND WE COULD, WE COULD ADDRESS THAT WITH THE SUPERVISORS IN THE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL ORDER MM-HMM.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THE PROTECTION FOR YOU IS IF WE DO EXCEED THE NUMBERS, WE PROPOSE WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND GET YOUR APPROVAL.
SO, UM, IF WE, IF WE DID GO END UP WITH TWO TENANTS OR A TENANT THAT HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE TRAFFIC, WE WOULD ULTIMATELY HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU GUYS AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO SAY YAY OR NAY TO THAT.
SO, UM, IT'S A VERY, UH, WEIRD IDIOSYNCRATIC THING ABOUT INDUSTRIAL.
YOU HAVE TO BUILD SPEC, YOU KNOW, FOR THESE, THESE LARGE TENANTS, YOU WOULD THINK THEY WOULD BE PLANNING FURTHER OUT IN ADVANCE.
MOST OF THE TIME THEY WANT TO BE IN A BUILDING AND MOVING IN ABOUT SIX MONTHS OR SO.
SO THE CONDITIONAL USE ALLOWS US TO MOVE FORWARD.
WE BUILD, WE DO THIS ON A, YOU KNOW, UH, DONE THIS SEVERAL TIMES OVER.
WE WILL BUILD A CLASS A BUILDING, TRY TO ATTRACT THE TENANT.
THE, THE CONDITIONAL USE HELPS US TO START THAT PROCESS, BEGIN TO BUILD THE BUILDING.
AND GENERALLY IT'S KIND OF FEEL THE DREAMS IF YOU BUILD IT, THE TENANT ENDS UP COMING DOWN THE ROAD.
SO, UM, I I I, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT BUILD, BUILDING, HELPING.
AND TO, AND TO PUT A FINER POINT ON THE, ON YOUR ACTUAL QUESTION, YOU KNOW, THE METRICS THAT WE DETERMINE TRAFFIC ARE BASED ON BUILDING SIZE.
SO THE BUILDING SIZE REMAINS RELATIVELY THE SAME.
EVEN IF YOU CUT IT IN HALF, IT WOULD BE THE SAME TRAFFIC GENERATION IN THEORY AT THAT POINT.
YOU'RE RESTRICTED BY PARKING AND RIGHT.
OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT THAT KIND OF EXPERT, BUT YEAH, I WOULD RELY ON, ANTHONY WILL TELL ME THAT, I'M SURE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK, UH, FROM YOUR GROUP? NO, UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR KIM ABOUT ANY OF THE SITE CIVIL STUFF, BUT I'M ASSUMING WE'LL CLEAN THAT UP IN LAND DEVELOPMENT AND WE'LL BE BACK.
NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AT THIS POINT.
UH, TO REMIND YOU, THE REGIONAL BASIN IS ADJACENT TO THIS SITE.
SO WE'VE WORKED BACK AND FORTH WITH SOME HISTORY IN THERE, HAD THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT INVOLVED.
SO THAT'LL ALL BE HANDLED AT LAND DEVELOPMENT, BUT THEY'RE HEADED DOWN THE RIGHT TRACK.
DOES THE BOARD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR CONDITIONAL USE OR JUST SO I, I I DON'T KNOW.
AND I'M SORRY, CALLED AHEAD OF TIME.
UM, WE'VE HAD THIS ISSUE AT, WE IN A RECENT ONE WHERE WE SAID, WELL, TECHNICALLY WE HAVEN'T HEARD THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION OF A CONDITIONAL USE.
SO HOW WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION YET HERE IT IS IN OUR ORDINANCES, THAT THEY DO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON, UH, CONDITIONAL USE FIRST.
THEY CAN RECOMMEND NOT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION HERE.
HOWEVER, IT'S NOT MUCH OF A REACH GIVEN THE PRIOR JOB.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE JUST TAKING THE DIFFERENCE OF REMOVING THE, THE 10,000 AND ADDING AN ADDITIONAL TOTE 15 ON TOP OF THAT 10 WITH ALL WAREHOUSE.
SO IT'S NOT REALLY THAT BIG A REACH.
AND IT SEEMS THAT THEY MEET THE CRITERIA.
SO I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THIS ONE SEEMS LIKE A LOT EASIER TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION.
YEAH, I, WE DO HAVE, I NOTICED YOU DO HAVE A QUESTION.
DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I HAVE CONCERNS.
DO YOU WANT TO STEP FORWARD? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND BELL ARMEN BELL.
7 0 8 MEADOWVIEW LANE, CLAIR, PA.
UM, FIRST I HAVE CONCERN ABOUT THEIR ACCURACY.
THE CONDO NEARBY IS NOT CALLED THE WOODS.
THIS IS A 25% INCREASE IN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
THE REGIONAL BASIN THAT IS THERE NOW WAS FULL TO THE BRIM AFTER IDA.
THIS IS ALSO OVER LA THE, UM, WALNUT STREET.
SO I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE FLOODING.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 25 TO, WHAT IS IT, 20 TO 25, UH, TRIPS AN HOUR STARTING AT 4:00 AM THE ROADWAY IS ELEVATED ABOVE THE CONDO BUILDING.
UH, ED MELLON WAS GONNA DO SOMETHING TO KIND OF TRY TO MAKE THE TRAFFIC A LITTLE BETTER OR BUILD, YOU KNOW, WOODS AND OR BUSHES.
I DON'T KNOW THE FULL PLAN, BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE IT WERE, SO THIS IS NOT CONSIDERING AT ALL THE IMPACT ON THE RESIDENTS STARTING AT FOUR IN THE MORNING BECAUSE OF THE ELEVATION ABOVE THE UNITS COULD HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT ON OUR CONDO.
STARTING AT 4:00 AM IS REALLY AN ISSUE.
AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
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IT ALSO SEEMS VERY VAGUE.THEY DON'T SEEM TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA PUT IN THERE AND THEY DON'T EVEN SEEM TO KNOW WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED IF THEY DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF THE NEIGHBORING CONDO.
SO JUST MY PERSPECTIVE AND I DON'T KNOW, AND THIS ALL SEEMED TO HAVE COME UP VERY QUICKLY CAUSE IT WASN'T EVEN ON THE AGENDA AS OF THE LAST SUPERVISOR'S MEETING.
SO I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT THOROUGHLY.
SO THAT'S MY CONCERNS AS SOMEBODY WHO ACTUALLY WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTED BECAUSE OF WHERE THIS IS LOCATED.
AND I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH OF IT'LL AFFECT THE, UH, PEOPLE ON WALNUT STREET.
THEY HAD, IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE.
SO WE HAVE 60 DAYS FROM THE TIME THEY APPLY TO PUT THEM ON.
AND NORMALLY WE GET AN EXTENSION AND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE LEEWAY THEY'VE DECIDED NOT TO FILE THAT.
AND, UM, SO THIS IS THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY, SINCE WE DIDN'T HAVE A MEETING IN APRIL, IT WASN'T ON ANY, WE DIDN'T OBVIOUSLY PUBLISH AN AGENDA FOR A MEETING WE DIDN'T HAVE.
WELL, I MEAN THAT'S JUST MY COMMENTS FOR YEAH.
I MEAN, YOU STILL HAVE TO TAKE BEFORE THE BOARD WHETHER YOU WISH TO MOVE IT FORWARD OR NOT.
IT JUST, NO, NO, IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT'S, THE HEARING IS SCHEDULED FOR MAY 15TH.
MAY, SO IT'S ALREADY GONE FROM NOT ON THE AGENDA? NOT ON THE RADAR TO HEARING WELL, YES, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE ONLY HAVE 60 DAYS.
AND WHILE WE USED TO ASK THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL FOR ADVERTISING MM-HMM.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO WAIT UNTIL THE JUNE MEETING.
SO BECAUSE MY BOARD ONLY HAS ONE MEETING A MONTH, EVERYTHING GETS MOVED UP A LITTLE BIT.
UM, SO AT LEAST, WELL IN THAT CASE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION REALLY DOESN'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY IN IT AT THIS POINT.
WELL, TO GO FORWARD, THEY CAN CERTAINLY WEIGH IN.
IF THEY CHOOSE THAT THERE WILL BE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES, WE WILL GO TO PRELIMINARY PLAN, WE WILL GO TO FINAL PLAN LIKE WE'VE DONE FOR ALL OF THE OTHERS.
WELL, BUT I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE ONCE YOU, IT SOUNDS LIKE ONCE YOU GO BEYOND PRELIMINARY, THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC AND SO ON.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST MY CONCERN BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL WILL BE GONE.
WE'LL STILL BE LIVING THERE, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, THE CHALLENGE OF ALL OF IT.
DOES ANYBODY FROM YOUR WANNA ADDRESS, HOW DO HEAR CONCERNS ABOUT THE UH, ABOUT THE, UH, I DIDN'T HEAR 4:00 AM I DIDN'T HEAR THAT.
I HEARD YOU SAID IT WAS GONNA START THE MORNING.
I DIDN'T HEAR, I JUST SAID THAT IN JEST ABOUT THESE OPER, YOU KNOW, 4:00 AM I DON'T NOT, YOU KNOW, I, YOU DON'T KNOW THE TENANT IF THEY DON'T KNOW THE TENANT, BUT TYPICALLY THEY OPERATE EARLIER, I'D SAY OFF PEAK HOURS THAN YOUR TYPICAL COMMUTER PEAKS IS, IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE COMING TO WORK.
4:00 AM WAS JUST DONE THAT, I'M JUST SAYING PEOPLE ARRIVE TO WORK TYPICALLY EARLIER THAN THEY DO WITH LIKE IN OFFICE.
AND THEN, THEN WITH THE, THE PERVIOUS SURFACE AND THE RAINWATER FIRST GENTLE ADDRESS THAT.
SO IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
UH, COME YOUR NAME KIM FOS FOR TWO ASSOCIATES.
UM, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, UH, THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES 65% MAX.
I THINK IT'S 52 OR 55 IN THAT AREA.
BUT WE ARE DEFINITELY BELOW WHAT IS REQUIRED.
UM, SO FOR THAT, WE ARE ADJUSTING THAT.
UH, WE ARE PLANNING ON INFILTRATING ON SITE.
THAT MEANS IT'S GOING INTO THE GROUNDWATER BEFORE WE GET TO THE REGIONAL BASIN.
SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S THREE, UM, HATCHED AREAS ON THE PLANT.
THERE'S ONE ON, ON THE NORTHERN SIDE, THE EASTERN SIDE, AND THE SOUTHERN SIDE.
UH, THE TWO ON THE NORTH AND THE WEST ARE GONNA BE, UH, SURFACE BASINS THAT WILL COLLECT WATER FROM THE PARKING LOTS AND THEY'LL INFILTRATE DOWN INTO THE GROUND.
AND THEN THERE'S A SUBSURFACE BASIN THAT WILL BE BELOW THE TRAILER PARKING ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE THAT WILL DIRECT WATER INTO THE GROUND AND THERE WILL BE AN OVERFLOW INTO THE REGIONAL BASIN.
BUT THE GOAL IS TO TRY TO MANAGE IT ON SITE BEFORE IT WOULD GET THEN TO THE SECOND.
IT'S THE ONE TIME I SAW THE BASIN FULL WHEN THIS WHOLE SURFACE WAS EMPTY.
SO OUR HOPE, IT'S CONCERNING, OUR HOPE IS THAT WE WOULD TRY TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT BY HANDLING THE STORM WATER ON OUR SITE BEFORE IT WOULD'VE REACHED THE REGIONAL BASIN.
BUT IT, IT IS AN SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN OVER WHAT WAS PLANNED THERE BEFORE.
UM, I ACTUALLY KNOW WE'RE VERY, IT'S VERY SIMILAR LAYOUT TO WHAT WAS PROPOSED BEFORE.
THERE'S AN INCREASE OF YOUR BUILDING SIZE, BUT THERE'S NOT, WE WERE DEVELOPING THE SITE IN A SIMILAR MANNER THAT WAS PREVIOUS.
I MEAN, RIGHT NOW OBVIOUSLY IT'S VACANT WITH COST SOIL STAFF HOUSE HUNDRED TO HUNDRED 25,000 ISN'T BIG.
I MEAN, IN COMPARISON TO THE SITE OF 10 ACRES.
IT'S, WE'RE STILL, IT'S NOT A HUGE JUMP.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT WAS A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AND NOW WE'RE DOING A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
UM, SO AGAIN, I ASKED THE BOARD, UH, ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, UH, BEFORE WE VOTE ON PRELIMINARY APPROVAL? AND JEFF, YOU SAY IT'S GOING TO THE SUPERVISORS? YEAH, THE, THE CONDITIONAL USE HEARING IS SCHEDULED FOR MAY 15TH.
I THINK, UM, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE ADVERTISED
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THIS WEEK.I THINK THE LETTER WILL PROBABLY GO OUT THIS WEEK NOTIFYING WITHIN, OH GOSH, I CAN NEVER REMEMBER THE NUMBER.
A SIGNIFICANT DISTANCE FROM AROUND A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM THE MEADOWS WILL BE NOTIFIED THAT THIS IS HAPPENING.
SO ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO UH, UH, ANY MOTION ON THIS, UH, PLAN, UH, APPROVE, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR NOT? DO WE WANT TO INCLUDE THAT THEY NEED TO REVISIT IF THEY'RE GOING TO MULTI-TENANT THE BUILDING OR IS THAT WELL, I THINK WE WOULD CERTAINLY, THEY HAVE TO COME BACK ANYHOW.
SO THAT'LL BE IN THE PLAN APPROVAL.
THAT WILL DEFINITELY BE IN THE APPROVAL RESOLUTION FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT.
SO AGAIN, ANYBODY WANT TO, UH, TO MAKE THAT MOTION ON APPROVAL OR, UH, PRELIMINARY APPROVAL OR NOT? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION FOR PRELIMINARY APPROVAL FOR THIS PLAINTIFF FOR THIS POINT.
SO, UH, GILLEY MADE A MOTION TO FOR PRELIMINARY APPROVAL.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THAT? JUST TO CLARIFY IT, IT IS FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE.
CONDITIONAL USE, NOT FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAN.
WE'LL TAKE, I OFFERED ANYTHING LIKE THE GENTLEMAN SAID, WE HAVE ENOUGH PLEA GO REALLY TO DO ANYTHING.
UM, SO, UH, DO I SECOND ON IT? ONE SECOND.
ALL AJ WE'LL SECOND IT ALL IN FAVOR.
[DISCUSSION: FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]
RIGHT.SO THAT BRINGS US TO THE NEXT PIECE OF OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS, UH, FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, WHICH WE'RE JUST ROCKING AND ROLLING IN THIS AREA.
UM, WHAT DO YOU WANNA SAY, JEFF, ON THIS AREA? UM, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TWO NEW APPLICATIONS THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED.
WELL, ONE THAT YOU RECEIVED A WHILE AGO.
THE OI DRIVE, THREE LOTS OF DIVISION.
THE GENTLEMAN THAT'S DEVELOPING THAT PROPERTY IS OUT OF TOWN, UH, OUT OF COUNTRY.
SO HE HAS TO BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA.
HE'S AGREED THAT HE WILL BE BACK BY THE 7TH OF JUNE AND WANTS TO BE ON THAT AGENDA.
SEVEN HALF IN A ROAD WILL BE, UH, SHOULD BE READY TO GO BY THE JUNE MEETING.
I THINK IT'S FAIRLY STANDARD LETTERS.
UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S AN ISSUE.
SO THAT WILL BE ON THAT AGENDA ON THE JUNE AGENDA.
SO ARE YOU RECOMMENDING WE DON'T HAVE A 17 MEETING.
THAT'S WHERE I'M CIRCLING TO THE THIRD ITEM THAT IS NOT ON HERE.
AND WE'RE STILL, UM, I THINK WE'RE STILL KIND OF GOING BACK AND FORTH ABOUT IT IS PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER APARTMENTS HAS PUT IN A NEW APPLICATION, AND I COULD NOT REMEMBER THIS, THIS AFTERNOON WHEN I GOT HERE, IF I MAILED THAT TO YOU OR IF I JUST MAILED IT TO CONSULTANTS.
CAUSE THEY PAID THEIR APPLICATION FEE LATE.
SO THE APPLICATION DIDN'T REALLY START FOR A COUPLE WEEKS AFTER WE HAD THE PLANS, BUT THEY PUT PUT IN AN APPLICATION TO GO TO GET RID OF THE HOTEL THAT WAS AT THE 4 22 SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND PUT IN ADDITIONAL APARTMENT BUILDINGS.
SO IT'S A TOTAL OF 700 UNITS THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR NOW.
THE METHOD THAT I'M LOOKING AT THIS IS GOING THROUGH THE INITIAL REVIEW OF THE PLAN, BRINGING THEM HERE, LETTING THEM ADDRESS YOU AND ADDRESS THE BOARD IN JUNE, AND THEN GO BACK TO THE TYPICAL FINAL PLAN PROCEDURE WHERE THE ENGINEERS GO BACK AND FORTH AND CLEAN EVERYTHING UP AND YOU DON'T SEE IT AGAIN UNTIL IT'S FINAL AND CLEAN.
SO IT'S A SORT OF A TWO STEP PROCESS THAT WE DON'T NORMALLY DO WITH A FINAL PLAN.
I'M THINKING THAT MIGHT BE ON THE JUNE AGENDA, BUT SOMETIMES ABOUT LAND AND ALL AND THINGS GET PUSHED FOR WHATEVER REASON.
WAS THERE A REASON JEFF, THEY GAVE FOR, UH, GETTING AWAY FROM THE HOTEL GOING THROUGH, THEY JUST DIDN'T SEE A MARKETABLE LIGHT.
I THINK MARK A MARKETABLE HOTEL.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, SO IT WAS A, WELL THE, AND I'M NOT MAKING THEIR CASE FOR, IT WAS 110 UNIT HOTEL WITH 585 APARTMENTS.
SO THEY WERE ALREADY OVER THE 700 UNIT MARK TO BEGIN WITH.
IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A HOTEL UNIT OR A RENTAL UNIT.
BUT THAT'S THEIR ARGUMENT TO MAKE.
AND BY ZONING THEY CAN DO THAT.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE MY INTERPRETATION OF MY LETTER THAT I HAVEN'T WRITTEN YET.
BUT THAT WILL BE MY INTERPRETATION.
UM, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE PLAN IS CLEAN AND THE PLAN DOESN'T NEED TO BE FIXED AND, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS ADDRESSED.
WE CERTAINLY WILL TACKLE THAT THROUGH THE FINAL PLAN PROCESS THAT WE NORMALLY DO.
BUT WE WANNA BRING IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND, AND TO THE BOARD WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN JUNE.
SO THAT'S A REALLY LONG WAY OF SAYING YES.
I THINK WE SHOULD CANCEL MAY 17TH.
COME ON, COME ON THAT FRONT SO WE MAKE SURE.
UH, JOE PETERS, UH, YOU MENTIONED THAT THIS IS A GOING TO A FINAL APPROVAL YES.
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FROM A HOTEL TO AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.SO IS, SO THE, THE EVERYTHING, ALL THE TRAFFIC, UH, THAT WILL ALL BE STUDIED AGAIN, INFRASTRUCTURE.
THAT, THAT IS ALL BEING STUDIED.
AGAIN, IT'S JUST, INSTEAD OF GOING BACK TO PRELIMINARY, WHICH IS EARLY ENGINEERING STANDARD, WE'VE ALREADY CROSSED THAT BRIDGE.
SO WE'RE REALLY REVISING THIS.
THIS IS A, THIS IS A BRAND NEW STRUCTURE, I PRESUME IT'S, I MEAN IT IS, IT'S A BRAND NEW, IF THEY WERE BUILDING, IF THEY BUILT THE HOTEL AND RATHER THAN X NUMBER OF ROOMS IT NOW BECAME APARTMENTS, MAYBE THAT'D BE A DIFFERENT CONCEPT.
BUT THIS SEEMS LIKE A COMPLETELY NEW STRUCTURE.
BUT WE ARE REVIEWING THE ENGINEERING AND WE ARE REVIEWING THE TRAFFICS PART OF THE FINAL PLAN.
BUT, BUT, BUT IT'S FINAL, IT'S NOT PRELIMINARY.
EVEN THOUGH IT SEEMS TO BE A DRAMATIC CHANGE FROM WHAT IT WAS.
I MEAN, I'M KIND OF CONFUSED HERE AS TO JOE, YOU WANT TO ADD.
IS THERE ANYTHING, IS THAT JUST THE WAY WITH THE PROCESS OR WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE, WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS YOUR CONCERN? WELL, JEFF MENTIONED, MR. GRACE MENTIONED THAT IT'S, THIS IS GOING TO GO TO FINAL NEXT PHASE TO ME.
START FROM THE BEGINNING AND WORK ALL THE WAY BACK.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE TO NECESSARILY GO FROM THE BEGINNING PERHAPS, BUT, WELL, MAYBE THERE'S ONLY PRELIMINARY AND FINAL.
I MEAN, THERE ARE THE TWO STAGES THAT I WOULD SUGGEST THERE PROBABLY NEEDS TO GO TO PRELIMINARY FIRST CUZ IT'S A BRAND NEW STRUCTURE.
IT'S A COMPLETELY NEW ENTITY IN THAT SPACE.
NOW, I'M NOT SAYING THEY CAN'T DO IT, BUT IT'S, WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, MAKE LOTS OF COMMENTS AND ANTHONY AND JEN CAN MAKE LOTS OF, JUST BECAUSE IT'S A FINAL VOTE, IF THEY, WE CAN STILL SAY, HEY, WE'RE NOT GONNA APPROVE THIS UNLESS YOU MAKE THESE CHANGES OR THIS CHANGES.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT EXCEEDING, THEY'RE NOT INCREASING THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT THEY'RE APPROVED FOR AND, WELL, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
THAT SAID THERE WAS A HUNDRED AND SOME, IT WAS 110 UNIT HOTEL PLUS HOTEL.
NOW THE 700 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX? NO, NO, NO.
SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE APPROVED FOR 585 APARTMENTS.
WE HAVE A HUNDRED, NO, LET ME GET TO THE MATH.
THEY HAVE 585 APARTMENTS PLUS 110 ROOM HOTEL.
THEY'RE NOW APPLYING FOR 700 TOTAL UNITS.
THEY ARE JUST NO LONGER 110 APARTMENTS.
NOW GONNA REPLACED BY JUST 115 YES.
I WAS TALKING, I WAS TALKING, I THOUGHT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS FROM THE HOTEL.
IF IT WAS MR. PETERS, IF 700 I'D MAKE THEM GO.
NO, I, I'M JUST NOT THINKING TO MYSELF, YOU KNOW, I CAN IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, KING OF PRESSURE, YOU KNOW.
YEAH, I'M WITH YOU MR. PETERS.
IF I, IF THERE WERE 700 THAT THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, TURN ME ON.
I CAN'T IMAGINE THIS HUMONGOUS COMPLEX.
WE'RE HERE TO WORK THINGS OUT.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
SO YES, LONG STORY SHORT, I THINK CANCELING MAY 17TH WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S A GOOD PLACE.
EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? UH, EVERYBODY MAKE A MOTION TO CANCEL, UH, MAY 17TH.
OKAY, WELL NOW THAT BEING SAID, WE'RE STILL HERE ON THE 17TH FOR THE ENVIRONMENT COMMITTEE.
I WAS GONNA VOTE AGAINST IT SO EVERYBODY HAD IT.
SARAH SATO HAS, HAS LEFT THE TOWNSHIP TODAY WAS HER LAST DAY AT THE TOWNSHIP.
SHE'S TAKEN A, A POSITION WITH, UM, I THINK IT'S DEPARTMENT NATURAL RESOURCES, UM, CONSERVATION NATURAL RESOURCES AS A PARK RANGER WITH, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE PARK AND I DON'T WANT TO MESS IT UP.
BUT SHE'S DOING ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION WITH, WITH, WITH SOME OF THE PARK SYSTEM.
UM, I DON'T QUITE KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THE AC YET BECAUSE SHE'S DEFINITELY MORE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL SIDE OF THAT GROUP OF HER AND I, WE WILL, UM, WE'LL WORK THROUGH THAT AND WE WILL STILL MEET.
AND I THINK THE PLAN FOR THE EAC IS TO HAVE ANOTHER EXPERT COME OUT AND LIKE OUR LAST MEETING, TALK TO US ABOUT WHAT EACS CAN DO AND GO FROM THERE.
CAUSE I'M STILL, I'M STILL IN THE DARK.
I STILL KNOW WHAT, HOW MANY MONTHS? WELL, THIS IS, IT'S NOT A YEAR.
THIS LAST WHAT, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER.
SO NOT QUITE HERE, BUT IT, IT, IT'S A VERY VAGUE, VAGUE, VERY, IT, IT ALL SOUNDS GOOD, BUT, YOU KNOW, COSTS MONEY TO NEW THINGS AND PEOPLE AND RESOURCES.
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I THINK THE THING THAT HAS COME OF IT THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS WE ARE AN ADVISORY BOARD.AND TO GET ANY DEEPER, IT'S GOOD, BUT WE'RE HERE TO, TO SET THE, THE STANDARDS FOR WHAT WE FEEL WE CAN PRESENT TO THE SUPERVISORS.
AND PART OF IT IS, THAT'S NOT EVEN THERE YET.
I MEAN, I'M NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THAT.
AND, AND PART OF IT IS I THINK THAT THE AC IS, IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN EDUCATIONAL BODY TOO TO EDUCATE HOAS AND, AND RESIDENTS ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS.
AND I DON'T THINK, AND NOT SAYING THIS TO BE INSULTING, I DON'T THINK THE EAC MEMBERS ARE QUITE EDUCATED ENOUGH YET TO KNOW WHERE I AGREE HOW, HOW TO, YOU KNOW, TURN AROUND AND HAVE SOMETHING TO TABLE A COMMUNITY DAY OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THAT'S WHERE I'M HOPING TO GET YOU.
AND I, I MEAN, I'M NOT GONNA MAKE Y'ALL JOHN, YOUR OR EVERETT, ABBY, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'LL GET YOU THERE.
SO
THAT IS, THIS IS, THAT'S FINE.
I'LL MENTION THAT GAS THING AGAIN OR WHATEVER.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M, I, I, I, OKAY.
UM, SO THAT REALLY COVERS OUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT.
UM, THERE MAY, SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE MAY BE THREE THINGS ON THE JUNE 7TH? YES.
HAVE ANYBODY HAS ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE WEEKEND OR ANYTHING? WE WILL, UH,
I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
SECOND HALL FAVOR? AYE YOU ADJOURN.