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          [CALL TO ORDER]
          [00:00:11]
          I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THIS, UH, REGULAR MEETING OF THE UPPER PROVIDENCE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MONDAY, MARCH 20TH, IF EVERYONE WILL RISE AS THEY'RE ABLE. 
          AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY, JUSTICE. 
          ALL 
          [MOTION TO APPROVE BOARD AGENDA]
I KNOW EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE AGENDA. 
          I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND 
          [PUBLIC COMMENT]
NOW IS THE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          I WOULD ASK THAT, UH, ANY, YOU CAN COMMENT ON ANY TOWNSHIP BUSINESS ON THE AGENDA OR NOT. 
          PLEASE COME FORWARD TO AND SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE. 
          STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR STREET ADDRESS, AND PLEASE TRY TO CONTAIN YOUR REMARKS TO THREE MINUTES OR LESS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANYONE WHO'S READY, PLEASE COME FORWARD SHORT. 
          OKAY. 
          HI. 
          IS IT, IS IT ON? I DON'T KNOW. 
          IS IT ON? YES. 
          YES. 
          YEP. 
          YEP, YEP. 
          HELLO? UH, MY NAME IS VICTORIA BRIGHT. 
          I LIVE AT 360 4 VISTA DRIVE, UH, AT THE RIVERS BEND COMMUNITY. 
          SO AGAIN, THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DRIVE HOME THIS EVENING WITH THE SUN STILL UP. 
          AND, UH, AS I COME DOWN THE HILL AND PASS BY PARKHOUSE, I'VE REALIZED HOW BEAUTIFUL WE HAVE A COMMUNITY THAT WE LIVE IN. 
          AND TO SEE THE VISTAS AS YOU'RE COMING DOWN THAT HILL, IF YOU HAVE NOT DRIVEN THAT ROADWAY AT SUNSET, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL TAKE YOUR BREATH AWAY. 
          SO, I, I JUST KIND OF PLANT THAT SEED FOR US. 
          UM, I, AS MANY OF YOU ARE AWARE, I HAVE BEEN REPRESENTING THE, UH, PARK HOUSE FRIENDS, STEERING COMMITTEE MEMBERS OF, OF OUR TOWNSHIP, UH, CITIZENS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN SAVING PARKHOUSE. 
          WE UNDERSTAND THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL IS, UH, KIND OF IN A STAGNANT PHASE RIGHT NOW WITH THE DEVELOPER, BUT THERE ARE SOME OTHER ACTIVITIES. 
          SO, UH, OUR, OUR CONCERNS CONTINUE TO BE, UM, AROUND HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR DISCUSSION AND IN BUILDING COMMUNITY TRUST AND IN COLLABORATION AND COMMUNITY, UH, INTEREST. 
          WE REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL INFORMED OF CURRENT ACT ACTION STEPS AND ACTIVITIES. 
          AND I KNOW, KNOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN A RECENT, UM, NOTICE ON THE, ON THE TOWNSHIP THAT SAYS, IF YOU WANT PARKHOUSE UPDATES, BUT YET THERE'S NOT BEEN ANY UPDATES. 
          SO WE DID FILE A RIGHT TO KNOW, UH, FILING ABOUT A MONTH OR SO AGO, AND VERY GENEROUSLY, UH, THE, UH, THE TOWNSHIP HAS PROVIDED US SOME INFORMATION, WHICH IS VERY HELPFUL. 
          I AM NOT THE SAVVY PERSON WITH TECHNOLOGY. 
          SO WHEN IT CAME TO DOWNLOADING A, A SHAREPOINT LINK, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, APPARENTLY I DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT KIND OF EQUIPMENT, BUT I DID SEE THE FILE AND THE FILE. 
          WE WERE ACTUALLY VERY HAPPY TO KNOW THAT WE HAD MOST OF THE INFORMATION, AND IT WAS QUITE OPEN ABOUT WHAT WAS IN THE FILE. 
          WHAT WE DID DISCOVER, UH, WITHIN THE FILE WAS A LETTER THAT WAS SHARED BY THE DEVELOPER'S ATTORNEY BACK ON JUNE, 2022, JUNE 9TH, 2022, TO MR. BREON, TO THE TOWNSHIP SOLICITOR, BASICALLY STATING THE FOLLOWING, UM, WHICH WAS A REFERENCING AROUND THE DEVELOPER'S INTEREST IN, UM, BEING ABLE TO, UH, KIND OF HOLD, BASICALLY DURING THE PERIOD OF THE ROYERS FORT HOLDINGS TENTATIVE PLAN, WHILE IT'S UNDER REVIEW BY OUR PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP CONSULTANTS, WE ARE INTERESTED IN ENTERING DISCUSSIONS WITH UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP TO CONSERVE THE ENTIRE PROPERTY FOR OPEN SPACE AND OR PARKLAND. 
          THEREFORE, WE ARE REQUESTING A DELAY FOR ALL PLANNING COMMISSION AND SUPERVISOR PUBLIC MEETINGS RELATED TO ROYERS FOR HOLDING 10 TENTATIVE PLAN WHILE THESE DISCUSSIONS RELATING TO CONSERVING THE ENTIRE PROPERTY AS AN OPEN SPACE OR PARKLAND IS TAKING PLACE. 
          SO THAT WAS IN JUNE OF 2022. 
          AND YET WE HEARD, THANKFULLY, UH, MR. STARLING, YOU SHARED WITH US AT THE LAST MEETING THAT THERE WAS SOME ACTIVITY THAT OCCURRED IN FEBRUARY AROUND THAT. 
          SO AGAIN, IN, IN THE HOPES OF TRANSPARENCY AND HAVING UPDATES AROUND THIS INFORMATION, WE 
          [00:05:01]
DO AS, AS A COMMUNITY, WANNA KNOW WHAT THE TOWNSHIP IS DOING TO WORK TOWARDS CONSERVING THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, WE WERE VERY ENCOURAGED. 
          AS MANY OF YOU ARE AWARE, I'VE SENT A LETTER TO YOU, UH, ALONG WITH THE TOWNSHIP SOLICITOR AND TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION DIRECTOR OF MR. GRACE AROUND OUR CONCERNS. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA REALLY SPEAK TONIGHT IS JUST A PUBLIC COMMENT AROUND SOME OF OUR CONCERNS AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO SUPPORT THE TOWNSHIP AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND OUR CITIZENS IN FOCUSING ON OPEN SPACE AND CONSERVING THIS PROPERTY AS OPEN SPACE. 
          SO, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS. 
          UM, WE DO, WE'RE STILL KIND OF GOING THROUGH THE HUNDREDS OF EMAILS, UM, THAT WE RECEIVED LAST WEEK. 
          AND WHILE THERE'S A LOT OF EMAILS IN THERE, THERE CERTAINLY IS A LOT OF INFORMATION AND A LOT OF ATTACHMENTS. 
          UM, SO IT'S, IT'S HELPFUL THAT WE ARE ALSO TRANSPARENT IN SOME OF THAT INFORMATION WITHIN THE, THE TOWNSHIP AND WHAT, WHAT WE CAN DO TO TRY AND SUPPORT, UH, THIS GOAL OF KEEPING THIS PROPERTY AS OPEN SPACE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, BILL FELTON, 1 33 OLD STATE ROAD. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY PLEASED TO KNOW THAT, THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ENGAGED NATURAL LANDS AS YOU TOLD US AT THE LAST, UH, SUPERVISOR'S MEETING AND, UH, REGARDING THAT WORK, UM, THAT THAT NATURAL ENDS IS DOING. 
          IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, FOR ANY RESIDENTS TO BE ENGAGED IN THAT PROCESS, UM, I WOULD HAPPY BE HAPPY TO, UH, SERVE IN THAT CAPACITY IF, IF, UH, THAT WAS, UH, AN OPTION. 
          AND, UH, THE OTHER COMMENT THAT WE, UH, HAVE IS ONCE NATURAL LANDS HAS, HAS FINISHED THAT RECOMMENDATIONS AND SO FORTH, UH, WOULD THAT REPORT BE MADE PUBLIC, UH, TO, TO THE CITIZENS BEFORE YOU WOULD GO TO THE NEXT STEP OF POSSIBLY NEGOTIATING WITH THE, UH, DEVELOPER? YES. 
          THE TOWNSHIP IS, IS IS PAYING NATURAL LAND TRUST'S WORK, SO YES, IT WILL BE MADE PUBLIC. 
          YEAH. 
          GREAT. 
          GREAT. 
          WELL, AGAIN, THANKS, THANKS FOR ALL YOUR EFFORTS. 
          WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. 
          JANINE NORRIS 3 56 VISTA DRIVE. 
          UH, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK FOR, UM, A MOMENT. 
          UM, JUST FOLLOWING UP A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT, UH, BILL WAS SPEAKING ABOUT, AND TROY ALSO ABOUT TRYING TO SUPPORT ALL OF YOU AND DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH ON OUR END AS A CITIZEN ADVOCACY GROUP, UM, TO MAKE THIS PROCESS SMOOTHER AND, UM, A A REAL COMMUNITY ACTION GROUP. 
          UM, WHEN I, WHEN WE WERE AT THE LAST MEETING, I ASKED ABOUT A REFERENDUM AND, UM, IT WAS, UM, PRETTY CLEAR THAT IT DID NOT SEEM LIKE A REFERENDUM WAS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, SO WE TOOK TO GOOGLE AND, UM, AS WAS SUGGESTED, AND, UM, THE NEXT DAY I GOOGLED PA REFERENDUMS AND UP POPPED THE PA REFERENDUM HANDBOOK. 
          UM, SO THE INTERESTING THING THAT WE HAVE FOUND IS THAT, UM, THIS REFERENDUMS ARE, ARE NOT NEW IN PENNSYLVANIA. 
          IN FACT, THEY'VE BEEN GOING ON FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. 
          UM, IN JUST IN 2002, SIX COMMUNITIES, TWO IN PENNSYLVANIA AND FOUR IN NEW JERSEY VOTED ON REFERENDUMS, UH, TO PROTECT OPEN SPACE. 
          AND THREE OF THOSE HAVE BEEN PASSED. 
          UM, LIMERICK TOWNSHIP, WHICH YOU MIGHT BE AWARE OF, JUST A STONES THROW FROM HERE, HAS, UM, HAD ALSO PUT A REFERENDUM ON THEIR, UM, BALLOT. 
          AND THAT WAS NARROWLY, UM, UH, THE, THE CITIZENS DECIDED TO, UM, DECLINE THAT AT THE TIME, WHICH, UM, THAT WAS THE CITIZENS VOTE. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, UNDERSTANDABLE HOW THEY DECIDED TO VOTE. 
          UM, UH, A PIECE OF INTERESTING INFORMATION, UM, FROM THE DELAWARE VALLEY REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          THEY'VE BEEN DOING SOME STUDIES, UM, FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. 
          UM, AND A HISTORICAL, UM, PERSPECTIVE. 
          REFERENDUMS HAVE GONE BACK, UH, THE REFERENDUMS BETWEEN 1988 AND 2021. 
          VOTERS IN THE D V R P C REGION APPROVED 247 REFERENDUMS AUTHORIZING COUNTIES AND MUNICIPALITIES TO LEVY ADDITIONAL TAXES OR ISSUE BONDS DEDICATED TO OPEN SPACE PRE PRESERVATION, ALL EIGHT OF THE REGIONS SUBURBAN COUNTIES. 
          AND 130 OF THE REGIONS 352 
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MUNICIPALITIES, THAT'S 37% HAVE SUBMITTED OPEN SPACE FUNDING REFERENDUMS TO VOTERS. 
          SO THIS IS CLEARLY, UM, SOMETHING THAT, THAT CAN BE DONE, UH, IN THIS TOWNSHIP IS, MA'AM, IF I COULD CLARIFY, NOT TO CUT YOU OFF, BUT THE QUESTION THAT I, AND I I, IN RESPONDING TO THE GROUP THE OTHER DAY, I MENTIONED THIS, I ASSUME THAT YOU WERE IN PART OF THAT EMAIL THREAD, BUT I'M NOT SURE. 
          UM, THE QUESTION THAT WAS INITIALLY ASKED WAS WHETHER, AS I RECALL, IT WAS WHETHER THE, THE, THE F OF THE PARKHOUSE PROPERTY COULD BE DECIDED BY REFERENDUM, OR WHETHER IT COULD BE DECIDED WHETHER TO PURCHASE IT BY REFERENDUM. 
          AND I SAID THE ANSWER IS NO. 
          AND THE ANSWER IS NO. 
          THE QUE THE RE ALL THE REFERENDUM QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE WHETHER TO CREATE A NEW TAX TO CREATE MONEY TO THEN PURCHASE OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS A VERY DIFFERENT QUESTION FROM WHETHER TO BUY THE THING, WHETHER TO BUY IT AND WHETHER TO INCUR DEBT. 
          AND AS I SAID IN MY, IN MY EMAIL BACK, UM, I REPRESENT A BOROUGH WHERE THEY VOTED BY REFERENDUM NOT TO INCUR DEBT TO BUILD A NEW TOWN HALL. 
          AND THEN EVERYBODY WAS UP IN ARMS WHEN THE BOROUGH MOVED FORWARD BUILDING A TOWN HALL BECAUSE THEY SAID, WAIT, A, WE ALREADY DEFEATED THIS. 
          AND THE BOROUGH SAID, NO, YOU SAID DON'T CREATE NEW DEBT FOR IT. 
          WE'RE JUST GONNA USE GENERAL FUND MONEY. 
          SO IT'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE WHETHER YOU CAN VOTE TO BUY PARKHOUSE VERSUS VOTE TO CREATE A TAX, WHICH MIGHT THEN BE USED TO BUY PARKHOUSE. 
          BECAUSE WHEN YOU PUT THE REFERENDUM QUESTION ON THE BALLOT, IT'S FRAMED BY THE ELECTION BOARD IN THE END, AND THEY GENERALLY DON'T EVEN IDENTIFY A PARTICULAR PROJECT BECAUSE THE TAX HAS TO BE IMPOSED FOR FIVE YEARS AT A MINIMUM. 
          SO EVEN IF YOU'VE RAISED ENOUGH FOR THE ONE, THE TAX WILL STILL BE COLLECTED FOR FIVE YEARS. 
          SO GENERALLY THE REFERENDUM QUESTION SAYS, DO YOU FAVOR THE IMPOSITION OF ATTACKS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF OPEN SPACE? AND THAT'S THE, AND I AGREE. 
          AND SO IF ANYBODY THOUGHT THAT I WAS SAYING YOU COULDN'T DO THAT, I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION. 
          IF IT WAS ON MY PART, THAT'S FINE. 
          I BELIEVE THE ORIGINAL QUESTION WAS WHETHER THERE, THERE COULD BE A REFERENDUM QUESTION ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS TO PARKHOUSE? DO WE, HAVE WE EVER HAD AN OPEN SPACE REFERENDUM, UM, IN UPPER PROVIDENCE? I, IN, IN UPPER PROVIDENCE? MM-HMM. 
          , UM, DO YOU RECALL, JEFF? I DON'T, I'VE LIVED HERE 30 YEARS AND I DON'T RECALL ONE, BUT I WOULD HATE TO JUST GO BY BY THAT. 
          I, I'M SORRY, I DON'T RECALL. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I MEAN, THEY ARE, THE, THE, THE TAX, THE QUESTION ABOUT THE TAX IS VERY COMMON. 
          I WAS ACTUALLY THE PERSON WHO HAD TO WORD THE WORK THE WORDING WHEN I REPRESENTED THE COUNTY ELECTION BOARD. 
          AND NO, THE, THE TAX QUESTION IS VERY COMMON, BUT IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN I GUESS I WOULD, UM, MAYBE ASK THE, THE, UM, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO CONSIDER AN OPEN SPACE TAX IF IT CAN'T BE USED FOR PARKHOUSE, THEN CERTAINLY THERE'S, UH, FUTURE USE, I WOULD ASSUME, UM, UH, AND, AND NEIGHBORING, NEIGHBORING, UM, NEIGHBORING TOWNSHIPS. 
          UM, AND OTHER AREAS HAVE DONE THIS THAT SAVE KRE LEAF FARM, WHICH I'M SURE MORE MANY OF YOU HAVE HEARD ABOUT AS WELL. 
          UM, SO WE WANTED TO PUT THIS OUT THERE. 
          AND AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING FOR ANY KIND OF SUPPORT THAT WE CAN PROVIDE. 
          UM, AND, UH, WE KNOW YOU WERE ALL HARDWORKING PEOPLE WHO HAVE OTHER JOBS, , UM, SO WE'RE MAKING OUR TIME TO DO THIS AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT? RAY ROCCHIO 3 74 VISTA DRIVE. 
          UM, SO I'D LIKE TO ALSO THANK THE BOARD. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, YOU GET INVOLVED IN, UH, THESE SITUATIONS AND SOMETIMES YOU WONDER ARE YOU MAKING AN IMPACT OR NOT? AND UH, TORI REFERENCED, I'M THE GUY SHE CALLED CUZ SHE'S LIKE, RAY, I CAN'T OPEN THIS FILE. 
          CAN YOU HELP ME? UM, WITH OUTLOOK? UM, SO WE WORKED THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THERE AND SO WE'RE KIND OF EXCITED TO KIND OF JUST DIG INTO IT, BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE US A LITTLE TIME TO DIGEST IT CUZ THERE'S A LOT THERE. 
          UM, BUT I GOTTA TELL YOU, AFTER READING THROUGH MOST OF THE EMAILS, IT LOOKS LIKE AT LEAST THAT, UM, PRETTY EXCITED TO SEE THE BOARD'S ENGAGEMENT CUZ YOU NEVER REALLY KNOW SOMETIMES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          UM, BUT UH, I SEE MEMBERS GETTING INVOLVED WITH TRYING TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE REFERENDUM OR OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON. 
          SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING AT THE BOARD LEVEL. 
          AND AGAIN, UH, BILL HAS SAID IT, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL VOLUNTEER TO GET ON SOMETHING TO HELP YOU GUYS WITH THIS THING IF WE NEED TO. 
          SO PLEASE FEEL FREE TO, UH, TO REACH OUT TO US. 
          UM, SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING AS WE GET INTO IT. 
          AND AGAIN, WE STILL NEED TO ASSESS IT A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          IT WAS GREAT CUZ WE HAD MET WITH REPRESENTATIVE WEBSTER, UH, TO TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY AT THE TIME. 
          BUT IT WAS NICE TO SEE THAT HE HAD MADE A PRETTY STRONG IMPRESSION THAT HE WAS GONNA BE SPEAKING WITH, UH, GOVERNOR SHAPIRO ABOUT IT. 
          SO I NEED TO FOLLOW UP WITH HIM ON THAT. 
          UM, IT'S 
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INTERESTING QUITE HONESTLY TO SEE, UH, MR. MULLIN'S REQUEST FOR INFORMATION ON, ON ORDINANCES BACK TO 75 IN BOARD MEETINGS FOR 95 AND LAST YEAR, LIKE TO SEE WHAT HE'S TRYING TO GET AT THERE FROM, UH, TRYING TO POKE A HOLE IN SOME OF OUR ORDINANCES POTENTIALLY. 
          UH, IT'S GREAT TO SEE THE TRAFFIC STUDY NUMBER ONE WAS IN THERE CUZ YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DON'T HAVE COMPLETE INFORMATION, WE'RE SOMETIMES LEFT A LITTLE ALOOF IS LIKE, WHAT'S GOING ON? WE DON'T WANNA SAY THERE'S A SINGLE BULLET THEORY OUT THERE, BUT IT'S, IT'S GREAT TO KIND OF BACKFILL SOME OF THAT INFORMATION. 
          UM, THIS IS JUST A PERSONAL, PLEASE DO NOT PUT A ROUNDABOUT OVER ON ONE 13 AND DRIVERLESS ROAD AND IT JUST WILL BE A DISASTER. 
          I CAN JUST FEEL IT AND HAVEN'T SEEN A WONDERFUL TRAFFIC CIRCLE WE HAVE OVER HERE BY WEGMANS. 
          UM, I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE HOW THAT WORKS IN THE SUMMERTIME. 
          UM, BUT THE ONE THING THAT WAS INTERESTING, AND I'D LIKE TO GET A LITTLE INSIGHT IF YOU GUYS COULD SHARE WAS IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A NEW DRAFT PLAN, UH, POTENTIALLY ON THE TABLE FOR 2013 UNITS, A LITTLE BIT MORE SHANDEL  UH, FROM A VIEW, FROM A PLAN THAT'S ON THERE. 
          BUT IF WE GET INVOLVED WITH THEM, IF I UNDERSTAND IT, AND I'M SURE I DON'T HAVE THIS RIGHT, THAT IF THEY CHANGE PLANS FROM WHERE THEY'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED TO THE, UH, BOARD OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IS IT A RESTART THE WHOLE PROCESS OVER AGAIN? WHERE, WHERE DO, WHERE DO WE KIND OF GO WITH THAT MR. BREMOND? IF YOU CAN SHARE A LITTLE BIT, THEY CAN. 
          UM, WELL I THINK THE ONE THAT YOU'RE, THE ONE THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO WASN'T RECORDED. 
          IT'S, IT WAS JUST A, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY WERE MAKING US AWARE THAT THEY HAD DRAWN UP BUT IT WASN'T USED. 
          UM, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UM, YOU CAN HAVE MULTIPLE APPROVALS ON ONE PROPERTY. 
          SOME TOWNSHIPS SAY ONE AT A TIME, PLEASE FINISH THIS ONE OUT BEFORE YOU START. 
          TECHNICALLY I THINK YOU CAN GENERALLY START A NEW ONE, YOU KNOW, WHILE THE OTHER ONE'S, UM, PENDING. 
          SO, BUT IF THERE'S A NEW PLAN, THAT PLAN WOULD START BACK AT THE BEGINNING AND THE CURRENT PLAN WOULD GO FORWARD ON ITS PHONE MERITS. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          WELL IT WAS JUST THE TIMING OF IT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING CUZ I THINK IT WAS THE 17TH, WHICH WAS LIKE A NIGHT BEFORE OR TWO BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THEIR CURRENT PLAN. 
          SO WE WERE ALL A LITTLE SURPRISED TO SEE THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING OUT THERE. 
          BUT, UM, THEY HAD PREPARED A, THEY HAD PREPARED A PLAN THAT SHOWED THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF POSSIBLE UNITS UNDER THE ORDINANCE, BUT THEY DECIDED NOT TO UTILIZE I, WHETHER IT'S, MAYBE IT'S NOT MARKETABLE, WHATEVER THE REASON IS, THEY DECIDED TO BELIEVE IT OR NOT, LESSER, UH, NUMBER OF UNITS. 
          YEAH. 
          CUZ I THINK THAT WAS CLOSE TO 2000 UNITS. 
          YEAH. 
          OR 2100 AND MM-HMM. 
          , ALTHOUGH THEY WERE BIG SHANDEL S TYPE BUILDINGS LIKE MONOPOLY HOUSES ON THE CORNERS, THE MOTELS, NOT THE HOUSES. 
          UM, WELL AGAIN, GREAT, THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. 
          APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT? ALL RIGHT. 
          SEEING NO ONE COME FORWARD, WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BUSINESS PART OF THE MEETING AND THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR COMMENTS. 
          JUST TO TAKE A LITTLE HEAT OFF MY BOARD, I'M GOING TO JUST MAKE THIS COMMENT. 
          WE HAVE TO BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL THE FIVE PEOPLE THAT ARE MEMBERS OF THE SPORT, BECAUSE IF THIS GOES TO A CONDITIONAL USE HEARING, I THINK MR. PRESIDENT HAS EXPLAINED THIS, WE WILL HAVE TO ACT AS, AS JUDGE AND JURY, WHICH MEANS THAT WE CAN'T EXPRESS ANY OPINION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, EVEN CASUALLY AT THIS POINT. 
          SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET A LOT OF ANSWERS FROM US, BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING. 
          WE ARE LISTENING VERY CAREFULLY TO EVERYTHING WE ARE BEING TOLD. 
          I'M READING ALL YOUR EMAILS, EVEN THOUGH I DO NOT ALWAYS RESPOND. 
          SO JUST BE AWARE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, EXECUTIVE 
          [EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT]
SESSION REPORT. 
          WE HELD SEVERAL EX SEVERAL EXECUTIVE SESSIONS SINCE OUR LAST MEETING. 
          UH, WE HELD ONE ON FEBRUARY 27TH, ONE ON MARCH 8TH AND ONE ON MARCH 20TH. 
          TOPICS DISCUSSED DURING THOSE MEETINGS WERE PERSONNEL ITEMS RELATING TO THE FORMER FINANCE DIRECTOR, POLICE AND FIRE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING NEGOTIATIONS AND ILLEGAL SETTLEMENT, DISCUSSING DISCUSSION RELATING TO VALUE VIEW DRIVE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND NOW WE'RE 
          [APPROVAL OF BILL LIST]
DOWN TO APPROVAL OF THE BILL LIST. 
          I KNOW EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT IN YOUR PACKET, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, UH, BILL LIST FROM FEBRUARY 1ST TO FEBRUARY 28TH, 2023 IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,125,519 AND 9 CENTS. 
          YEAH. 
          124,000. 
          DID I GET THE YEAH, THAT'S OKAY. 
          UH, I'LL, I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE BILL LIST FROM THE PERIOD FEBRUARY ONE THROUGH FEBRUARY 28TH, 2023, IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,124,519 AND 9 CENTS. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY APPROVED? ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND, 
          [APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
UH, WE ALSO 
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HAD A SET OF MINUTES IN THERE FROM OUR FEBRUARY 21ST REGULAR MEETING, AND I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF THERE ARE NO AMENDMENTS TO THOSE MINUTES. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE FEBRUARY 21ST, 2023, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS REGULAR MEETING MINUTES. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE FEBRUARY 21ST, 2023 BOARD OF SUPERVISOR REGULAR MEETING MINUTES. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE NO PUBLIC HEARINGS THIS EVENING AND 
          [OLD BUSINESS (ACTION/DISCUSSION ITEMS) (Part 1 of 2)]
ON TO OLD BUSINESS. 
          CONSIDER AWARDING THE BID FOR THE 2023 ROAD PAVING PROJECT B TO INNOVATIVE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES OF FOLCROFT, PENNSYLVANIA IN THE AMOUNT OF $640,677 AND 50 CENTS AS THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE BIDDER. 
          AND, UH, I SAW WE HAD A REPORT FROM, UH, OUR TOWNSHIP ENGINEERS, UH, SAYING THAT THIS, THESE FOLKS COULD DEFINITELY DO THE WORK. 
          AND THIS BID COMES IN ABOUT $38,000 LESS THAN WHAT WE BUDGETED. 
          SO IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THAT. 
          I, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          IS THIS THE, IS THIS THE, THE ROAD PROJECT THAT INCLUDES THAT SPECIAL PART ON JAGER ROAD? NO, NO. 
          THAT WAS LAST PROJECT DAY. 
          WE ALREADY APPROVED THAT ONE, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          COME ON UP, TOM. 
          THIS IS TOM BROAD BELT, OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR PROJECT DAY. 
          AND THAT'S BEEN AWARDED, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA START AROUND THE MIDDLE OF APRIL. 
          THE WAY IT LOOKS, WE HAD THE PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING TODAY. 
          PROJECT B IS THE ONE THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT. 
          UM, THERE'LL BE FIVE STREETS IN THE PROVIDENCE, UH, EXECUTIVE ELEMENT FOR PROVIDENCE RIDGE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS AT ROUTE 29 IN MENNONITE ROAD. 
          THEN WE WILL ALSO BE DOING DONNIE BROOK WAY ON HOPWOOD ROAD AND TWO STREETS IN MONTCLAIR SOURS AVENUE AND LANDIS. 
          SO THOSE WOULD BE THE, THAT'LL BE, THAT'LL CONCLUDE IT FOR THIS YEAR. 
          AND WHEN DOES THAT START, TOM? THEY COULD GET STARTED PROBABLY WITHIN THE MONTH AS WELL. 
          THERE'S SOME STUFF THAT HAS TO BE ORDERED, YOU KNOW, THAT INLET TOPS, STORM INLET TOPS, THAT KIND OF STUFF TAKES A WHILE. 
          UM, SUPPLY AND DEMAND OR SUFFER A LITTLE BIT ALL THE TIME, BUT I WOULD THINK THEY COULD GET IT READY TO GO IN ABOUT A MONTH. 
          AND TOM, THEN THE ROADS YOU JUST NAMED OFF WERE THE ONES THAT DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS, YOU HAD A B YOU HAVE A ROLLING SCHEDULE OF DOING ROADS AROUND THE TOWN. 
          THERE'S NO CHANGE IN THE NOPE. 
          NO. 
          I KEEP ROLLING SCHEDULE. 
          SOMETIMES I HAVE TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, ADJUSTMENTS DEPENDING ON WHAT KIND OF WINTER WE HAD. 
          WE DIDN'T HAVE A WINNER THIS YEAR. 
          WE DIDN'T HAVE MANY BLOWOUTS. 
          UH, WE GOT REALLY LUCKY. 
          AND, AND GENERALLY THE PLAN IS THAT WE, THE ROADS THAT THE TOWNSHIP IS RESPONSIBLE FOR, WE RESURFACE EVERY 20 YEARS. 
          20 YEARS. 
          THE NUMBERS, SOMETIMES THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY GET A, I BELIEVE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I'VE BEEN KEEPING A, AN EYE ON THAT PROVIDENCE RIDGE DEVELOPMENT FOR A LONG TIME. 
          I THINK THAT'S CLOSE TO 26 OR 28 YEARS OLD. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S DUE, WE GOT A LOT OF TIME. 
          WE GOT A LOT OF EXTRA TIME OUTTA THAT PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, TOM, CAN I ASK YOU ABOUT BUR LINE ROAD BETWEEN LEWIS AND ONE 13? I ASSUME THAT, YEAH, I ASSUME THAT HALF OF IT'S HOURS. 
          WELL, HERE'S HOW THAT WORKS. 
          WE HAVE FROM SEVENTH AVENUE TO LINFIELD TRAP AND TRAP HAS FROM ONE 13 TO SEVENTH AVENUE. 
          OH. 
          AND THAT'S HOW WE DECIDED TO SPLIT THAT. 
          I, I HAVE AN AGREEMENT IN MY OFFICE. 
          ANYBODY WANTS A COPY OF IT? I CAN GET IT FOR YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW. 
          I BELIEVE YOU WILL. 
          I THINK YOUR OFFICE IS GONNA LOOK OVERLOOK, UH, WE'RE GONNA DO SOME STORM REPAIR, SOME STORM WORK THERE. 
          AND THEN I BELIEVE WE'RE GONNA DO SOME PAVING AGAIN. 
          YEAH. 
          CUZ THERE'S SOME KIND OF BAD POTHOLE. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT HILL THAT GOES DOWN ONE TO ONE 13, THAT ROAD JUST ALWAYS SEEMS TO WANNA SLIDE OFF. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS, TOM. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON PAVING PROJECT B. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AWARD THE BID FOR 2023 ROAD PAVING PROJECT B, UM, TO INNOVATIVE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES OF FOLCROFT PA, AN AMOUNT OF $640,677 AND 50 CENTS. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND TO, UH, AWARD THE BID FOR RO 2023 ROAD PAVING PROJECT B TO INNOVATIVE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES OF FALL CROSS PENNSYLVANIA IN THE AMOUNT OF $640,677 AND 50 CENTS. 
          ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AND YOU OPPOSED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH NINE GRANTING PRELIMINARY LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR 1731 COLLEGEVILLE ROAD. 
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GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, MY NAME'S CHRIS YUN. 
          I'M THE CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          SO THIS IS IN THE PRELIMINARY STAGE. 
          AS, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S THREE STAGES. 
          THERE'S THE SKETCH, PRELIMINARY AND FINAL. 
          UH, WE WERE IN FRONT OF YOU IN 2021 FOR THE SKETCH PLAN. 
          UH, THIS IS THE, AND SO THAT WAS A ONE SHEET PLAN BASED ON GIS AND AN AERIAL. 
          UH, AND JUST A, A GENERAL LAYOUT. 
          THIS IS NOW, I BELIEVE A A NINE PAGE SET PLAN THAT'S FULLY ENGINEERED. 
          WE DID INFILTRATION TESTS. 
          UM, IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME. 
          ONE OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE TENTATIVE SKETCH WAS THAT WE HAD TO SHOW A LARGER RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH PUSHED THE BUILDINGS A LITTLE FURTHER BACK FROM SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD. 
          AND SO THAT DID, UH, CRUNCH OUR PARKING A LITTLE BIT AND REDUCE THE BUILDINGS A LITTLE BIT. 
          I BELIEVE BEFORE THEY WERE 27 50 SQUARE FEET EACH, AND NOW THEY'RE 24 50. 
          UH, BUT WE RECEIVED REVIEW LETTERS AT THE END OF JANUARY, EARLY FEBRUARY FROM THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEER, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER, UH, THE FIRE MARSHAL, THE COUNTY. 
          UM, AND SO THEY'RE BASICALLY ALL WILL COMPLY LETTERS. 
          THERE WERE TWO ITEMS THAT WE REQUESTED, UH, WAIVERS FROM. 
          WE, WE WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN EARLY FEBRUARY, UH, AND ASKED FOR TWO WAIVERS, WHICH THEY, UH, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF. 
          WE DID SUBMIT A LETTER TO THE TOWNSHIP, UH, LAST WEEK FORMALLY REQUESTING THOSE IN WRITING. 
          UH, AND SO I HAVE, I I CAN GO OVER THOSE TWO ITEMS IF YOU LIKE. 
          UH, OR I COULD GO OVER ANY ITEMS IN THE, THE LETTER. 
          THIS IS A REAL QUICK INTRODUCTION, BUT I'M HAPPY TO GO OVER ANY, HEY, GO OVER THE, GO OVER THE TWO ITEMS. OKAY. 
          SO THE FIRST WAIVER IS SECTION 1 54 DASH 18 CUN FOUR. 
          UH, WHAT IT REQUIRES IS FOR RESIDENTIAL ROADS TO HAVE A MINIMUM RIGHT OF WAY OF 50 FEET AND A PAVEMENT WIDTH OF 32 FEET. 
          AND SO THAT REQUEST WAS FOR WHAT I'LL CALL THE INTERNAL DRIVEWAY BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS. 
          UH, AND SO I THINK THIS IS ONE THAT'S A LITTLE GRAY ON WHETHER OR NOT IT APPLIES. 
          UM, AND SO WE, WE JUST ASKED FOR A WAIVER OF THAT SECTION. 
          UH, TO BE CLEAR, UM, WE DID HAVE A COMMENT. 
          THE DRIVEWAY WAS, I BELIEVE, 25 FEET WIDEN. 
          WE DID RECEIVE A COMMENT FROM THE FIRE MARSHAL THAT ASKED FOR IT TO BE 26 FEET. 
          SO WE ARE WIDENING TO 26 FEET TO MEET THE CONCERN FROM THE FIRE MARSHAL. 
          WE'RE JUST ASKING NOT TO GO TO 32 FEET. 
          UH, WHICH WOULD, IS WHAT IT WOULD BE FOR A RESIDENTIAL ROAD. 
          TYPICALLY, RESIDENTIAL ROADS START, UH, NARROW WHEN THEY HAVE NO PARKING ON EITHER SIDE. 
          THEY GET A LITTLE WIDER FOR PARKING ON ONE SIDE, A LITTLE WIDER FOR PARKING ON BOTH. 
          IN THIS CASE, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S MORE LIKE, UH, A PARKING LOT WHERE YOU'RE PARKING IT ON ONE SIDE. 
          THE OTHER SIDE, WE WILL HAVE SIGNS THAT SAY NO PARKING, UH, THE NEXT ITEM OR ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON, ON THAT ITEM? OKAY. 
          THE NEXT IS SECTION 1 54 DASH 20 D, WHICH REQUIRES 10 FEET OF OPEN SPACE BETWEEN THE CURB LINE OF ANY PARKING AREA AND THE OUTSIDE WALL OF A MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING. 
          SO AGAIN, I THINK THIS ONE'S A LITTLE GRAY. 
          THESE, THIS, THESE ARE MIXED USE BUILDINGS. 
          SO THEY HAVE OFFICE SPACE ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THEY HAVE, UH, TWO RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN EACH ONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR, UH, APARTMENT UNITS. 
          AND SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S UH, TWO GROUPS OF THREE PARKING SPACES THERE. 
          THREE SPACES NEXT TO BUILDING TWO AND THREE SPACES NEXT TO BUILDING THREE THAT ARE CLOSER THAN THAT 10 FEET. 
          AND SO THE CODE'S REALLY TALKING ABOUT A MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING, UH, WHERE YOU COULD HAVE A RESIDENTIAL UNIT ON THE FIRST FLOOR. 
          THIS IS THE MIXED USE WHERE YOU HAVE THE OFFICE SPACE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. 
          UH, I'M NOT AWARE OF A CODE SECTION THAT, UH, REQUIRES OPEN SPACE FROM OFFICE TO THE PARKING. 
          UH, AND SO WHEN WE TALKED THROUGH THIS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEY DID ALSO RECOMMEND THIS, BUT THEY HAD A FEW COMMENTS. 
          THEY ASKED THAT WE HAVE, UH, A SIGN THAT SAYS THAT YOU CAN ONLY PULL STRAIGHT IN. 
          THAT WAY SOMEONE'S NOT BACKING IN WHERE THE EXHAUST MIGHT GO RIGHT UP AGAINST THE BUILDING. 
          UH, THERE WAS ANOTHER THAT, THAT WOULD REQUIRE THAT WE HAVE WHEEL STOPS THERE TO ALSO PROVIDE SOME BUFFER BETWEEN THE, THE CAR, THE VEHICLE, AND THE BUILDING. 
          UM, AND LASTLY, THEY ASKED THAT ANY WINDOWS ON THAT FIRST FLOOR OF THE OFFICE THAT ARE JUST RIGHT NEXT TO THOSE COUPLE SPACES THAT WOULD EITHER NOT BE WINDOWS THERE OR THOSE WOULD BE, UH, NOT OPERABLE. 
          AND SO THOSE WERE ALL, UH, WHAT I'LL CALL CONDITIONS THAT, THAT WE, WE AGREED TO. 
          AND THOSE SIX SPACES ARE GONNA BE MARKED FOR THE PEOPLE WORKING IN THE OFFICES. 
          AND DO THE OTHER SPACES REQUIRE A, A PERMIT OR SOMETHING TO HANG AS FAR AS HOW DO, HOW DO YOU MANAGE TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE AREN'T PARKING THERE AFTER THEY'RE RESERVED TO THE OFFICES? SO, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE TO SEPARATE ANY OF THE SPACES FOR OFFICE OR FOR THE RESIDENTIAL. 
          UM, SO WE WEREN'T DOING THAT. 
          THE RESTRICTIONS WERE REALLY THAT YOU JUST HAD TO PULL STRAIGHT IN AS OPPOSED TO BACKING IN. 
          AND THAT, THAT THERE WOULD BE THE, THE WHEEL STOP. 
          UM, I, I MEAN IT, I THINK IT WAS CUZ IT JUST TO APPLY TO EVERYBODY. 
          SO IT'S NOT LIKE IF YOU HAD A PERMIT, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO IT. 
          THE IDEA PLANNING COMMISSION WAS COMFORTABLE WAS NOBODY COULD BACK INTO ANY OF THOSE SPOTS, WHETHER YOU WERE A TENANT OR A VISITOR. 
          AND THOSE 
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SIX SPACES ARE REQUIRED BECAUSE THERE WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH SPACES FOR ALL THE TENANTS. 
          IS THAT WHY THEY'RE KIND OF SQUEEZED IN THERE? IT, IT'S AN OVERALL PARKING REQUIREMENT THAT IS, YOU NEED THIS NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES FOR THIS NUMBER OF, UH, OFFICE SPACES PER SQUARE FOOT AND THEN THE UNITS, UH, SPACES PER UNIT. 
          AND SO IT IS AN OVERALL THAT WE NEED THAT NUMBER OF PARDON SPACES FOR THE, THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO EACH OF THESE BUILDINGS WILL CONTAIN TWO APARTMENT UNITS, EIGHT ALTOGETHER? YES. 
          AND, UH, JUST, UH, FLOOR PLAN WISE, HOW MANY BEDROOMS IN EACH OF THOSE APARTMENTS? SO I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT YET. 
          UM, STILL IN THE, I'M ALSO THINKING ABOUT PARKING AND, UH, THE NUMBER, YOU KNOW, ALMOST EVERY FAMILY HAS AT LEAST TWO CARS TODAY. 
          NOT MORE SO. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU HAVE A DUMPSTER AREA ON THIS THING? IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I LOOKED AT IT. 
          THERE IS, IT'S BETWEEN BUILDINGS THREE AND FOUR. 
          OKAY. 
          WILL THAT BE BE FOR EVERYBODY AND THE WILL THAT BE FOR THE RESIDENCE AS LONG AS WELL AS THE COMMERCIAL? YES. 
          WE WERE ANTICIPATING THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          DEF ANY ISSUES? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE GOT AN APPROVED, UH, RECOMMENDATION FROM RECOMMENDATION. 
          RECOMMENDATION, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, IS THERE, IS THERE A WAY TO PUT THOSE SIX SPACES, KIND OF LIKE PHASE TWO? SO BUILD IT AND IF YOU NEED IT LATER, BUILD 'EM LATER. 
          THERE IS A PROVISION WITHIN OUR ORDINANCE WHERE THEY CAN REQUEST TO RESERVE PARKING. 
          THEY HAVE TO GRADE, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO INSTALL THE PARKING. 
          THEY HAVEN'T MADE THAT REQUEST. 
          I I'M NOT SURE IF THEY, THEY WANT TO OR NOT. 
          THAT HAS TO COME FROM THEM. 
          AND THEY CAN CERTAINLY REVIEW THAT AND, AND DO IT AT FINAL TOO. 
          CAUSE THEY HAVE ANOTHER, THEY HAVE A THIRD STEP. 
          SO IF THEY'D LIKE TO PUT THAT IN RESERVE AT SOME POINT, THEY, IT'S, THEY HAVE TO GET YOUR APPROVAL TO DO IT. 
          BUT YES, THEY CAN DO, AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO ANY ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, BUT THEY ARE GONNA PAY THE FULL TRAFFIC IMPACT PHASE. 
          RIGHT. 
          THERE'S THE TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE AND I THINK THEY'RE SHOWING URBAN WIDENING. 
          SO WE, WE DO SHOW A NEW SIDEWALK THERE. 
          UM, WE NEED TO GET THE PLANS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT DOWN THE STREET, UH, SHOWING WHAT THE WIDENING WILL BE SO THAT WE CAN COMPLY WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT AND THAT THAT CAN BE DONE AT FINAL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHY ARE YOU THINKING TO NOT, THEY'RE JUST REALLY CLOSE TO THE BUILDING. 
          I MEAN, OKAY. 
          THE EXHAUST DOESN'T GO THERE, BUT NOW YOU HAVE HEADLIGHTS BEAMING IN. 
          AND I'M NOT A A I'M NOT A BIG PROPONENT OF PARKING SPACE FORWARD TO BEGIN WITH. 
          IF YOU NEED TO EVACUATE THE SPACE BACK END PARKING IS BETTER, BUT YOU CAN'T ENFORCE THAT. 
          I GET IT. 
          BUT WELL THEN YEAH, THE GOOD THING IS, LIKE I SAID, THE FIRST FLOOR IS GONNA BE OFFICE SPACE AND RETAIL, I ASSUME, I THINK AS PART OF YOUR, IF YOU DECIDE TO APPROVE IT, PUTTING A CONDITION OF PLEASE REVIEW TO SEE IF YOU CAN KEEP THESE IN RESERVE, IS SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD LOOK AT FOR FINAL. 
          LET'S DO THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION WITH, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO ADD THAT STIPULATION, THAT'S FINE. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH NINE GRANTING PRELIMINARY LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR 1731 COLLEGEVILLE ROAD WITH THE OPTION TO, UM, HOLD THE SIX SPOTS ON RESERVE AFTER I SECOND THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND TO, UH, ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH NINE GRANTING PRELIMINARY LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR 1731 COLLEGEVILLE ROAD. 
          WITH THE, UH, ADDITION THAT, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO THE DEVELOPER TO LOOK AT HOLDING THE SIX RESERVE SIX SPACES, UH, UH, I ADJACENT TO THE BUILDINGS IN RESERVE. 
          UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? NO WORRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ITEM NUMBER FIVE, CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 10 GRANNY PRELIMINARY LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR 1 72 HOPWOOD ROAD. 
          HOPWOOD ROAD TOWNHOMES. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          ALISON Z ON BEHALF OF HOPWOOD HOMES LLC, UM, WHICH IS A GELMAN GROUP ENTITY. 
          WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING REGARDING THE PRELIMINARY PLAN FOR 1 72 HOPWOOD ROAD. 
          UM, AS I BELIEVE THE BOARD KNOWS IT IS ON BOTH SIDES OF HOPWOOD ROAD ON THE RENDERING. 
          UM, HOPWOOD ROAD RUNS DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE PLAN. 
          UH, WE WERE HERE, UH, LAST SUMMER REGARDING TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN APPROVAL AND CONDITIONAL USE, UM, FOR THE PROJECT. 
          UH, YOU'LL RECALL THAT IT'S 48 TWIN DWELLING UNITS ON 
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BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD. 
          WE HAVE, UM, FOUR ACCESS POINTS TO, ON EACH SIDE TO HOPWOOD ROAD, HOPWOOD ROAD. 
          THE CURVE WILL BE ADJUSTED, UM, ON THE PLAN THAT'S ON THE SCREEN. 
          IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE IN THE RENDERING, BUT THE EXISTING HOPWOOD ROAD IS GENERALLY IN THIS AREA. 
          THE, THE RENDERED PORTION OF THE PLAN SHOWS THE CHANGE, UM, TO THE CURVE. 
          SO IN THIS AREA, UM, THE DISCUSSION HAS BEEN THAT THERE WOULD BE RIGHT OF WAY ACTUALLY THAT WOULD BE VACATED BY THE TOWNSHIP, UM, WITH ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY AREA. 
          THE MAJORITY OF IT, MOST OF IT'S ON OUR PROPERTY FOR THIS, THIS PROPERTY. 
          UM, THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT, UH, WE HAD PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED WITH YOU AND I JUST WANTED TO, UM, HIGHLIGHT THEM ON THE PLAN. 
          UM, WE HAD TALKED WHEN WE WERE HERE AT TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN ABOUT HAVING SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE INTERNAL STREETS. 
          AND THEY ARE SHOWN ON ALL SIDES, BOTH SIDES OF THE INTERNAL STREETS ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE, WHAT I'LL CALL THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF HOPWOOD ROAD, EVEN THOUGH IT'S SORT OF CURVES. 
          UM, THERE IS A SIDE CONTINUOUS SIDEWALK THAT IS ALONG OUR FRONTAGE ON HOPWOOD ROAD. 
          ON THE NORTH SIDE. 
          THERE WILL BE A TRAIL STARTING AT MORGAN LANE, WHICH YOU'LL SEE ACROSS THE TOP OF THE PLAN EXTENDING DOWN THIS IS, THIS WOULD BE AN EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY. 
          THE TRAIL WILL COME DOWN ACROSS THE SITE. 
          UM, IT WILL EXTEND BEYOND THE SITE WITHIN EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY. 
          UM, DONNYBROOK ROAD IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PLAN. 
          THERE ARE SOME AREAS OF SIDEWALK THAT EXIST TODAY. 
          THOSE WOULD BE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH TRAIL SO THAT IT'S CONTINUOUS TRAIL. 
          AND THEN THAT TRAIL WOULD EXTEND DOWN AND CONNECT TO THE PORTION THAT WOULD BE COMPLETED FOR THE YERKES PROJECT. 
          THEN PROVIDING A COMPLETE CONNECTION DOWN TO THE PER AND TRAIL, UM, ALL THE WAY FROM MORGAN LANE. 
          SO BETWEEN THE TWO PROJECTS YOU WOULD GET THAT CONTINUOUS CONNECTION. 
          UM, THE BOARD MAY ALSO RECALL THAT THIS PLAN REQUIRES AND HAS THE COVENANT RECORDED AGAINST IT. 
          UM, THAT REQUIRES THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS. 
          SO THESE GO HAND IN HAND. 
          UH, WE APPEARED BEFORE YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION ON MARCH 1ST TO DISCUSS THE APPLICATION AND WE HAVE REVIEW LETTERS FROM GILMAR ASSOCIATES DATED FEBRUARY 23RD, MCMAHON DATED FEBRUARY 27TH. 
          UM, AND WE HAD A FIRE MARSHAL REVIEW THAT WAS ACTUALLY ON THE LAST VERSION OF THE PLAN FROM JANUARY 17TH. 
          UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, ALL OF THE COMMENTS IN THESE REVIEW LETTERS ARE WILL COMPLY. 
          UM, WE ARE ASKING FOR FIVE WAIVERS, HOWEVER, WHICH I'M HAPPY TO RUN THROUGH, BUT I WILL PAUSE FIRST AND SEE IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS. 
          I COULD BE MISTAKEN, BUT I THOUGHT THE ROADS MET UP WITH EACH OTHER IN THE PAST. 
          AM I WRONG ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE A CROSSWALK WOULD BE. 
          I KNOW I APPRECIATE ALL THE SIDEWALKS AND THE THOUGHTS TO THAT, BUT IS THERE, IS THERE, I MEAN, IT'S STILL HOPWOOD ROAD. 
          IS THERE A A, A PLAN IN THERE TO HAVE A CROSSWALK SOMEWHERE? AND THEN HOW DO YOU, IS THERE ROAD BUMPS OR ANYTHING NOT TO KIND OF CONTROL THAT OR, I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE WE LEFT OFF WITH THAT. 
          YEAH, SO THAT, THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I DID OMIT IN MY DESCRIPTION. 
          WE ARE PROPOSING, UM, CONTINENTAL CROSSWALK OR THE ACCORDION CROSSWALK, UH, GENERALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE IN BETWEEN THE INTERSECTIONS TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO GET BACK AND FORTH ON EITHER SIDE. 
          UM, WE DID HAVE EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION WITH STAFF ABOUT AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR THAT CROSSWALK. 
          THERE WAS TALK AT ONE TIME ABOUT PUTTING IT UP BY MORGAN. 
          UH, BUT IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THAT WAS THE MOST APPROPRIATE LOCATION WITH RESPECT TO THIS PARTICULAR SITE PLAN. 
          SO, AND THERE'S NO SAFETY, THERE AREN'T CONCERNS SPECIFICALLY CROSSING THERE MEASURES PROPOSED. 
          I MEAN, I WILL SAY MAYBE CASEY, I I I WON'T, YEAH, I MEAN THEY'RE GONNA DESIGN THE ROAD AS SUCH THAT IT WILL HELP TO SLOW DOWN VEHICLES. 
          BUT IN ADDITION, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SIGNAGE. 
          WE CAN, UH, LOOK AT THE FINAL PLAN WHEN THEY MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS. 
          WE, WE COULD ADD, UM, THOSE OPTICAL SPEED BARS, THAT KIND OF NOTE THAT YOU'RE COMING UP TO A CROSSING, UH, THEY'RE PAINTED ON THE SIDES OF THE ROAD. 
          I WOULD ADVISE AGAINST A SPEED HUMP IN THIS AREA JUST BECAUSE IT'S ON A HILL AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          UM, WE TRIED TO PROVIDE IT AT A SPOT WITH, WITH THE DISCUSSION THAT PEDESTRIANS HAVE THE ALT YOU KNOW, THE MAXIMUM SITE DISTANCE WITHIN THAT AREA. 
          SO WE LOOKED DOWN AT DONNIE BROOK, WE LOOKED UP AT MORGAN WAY, WE LOOKED AT THE VARIETY OF THESE INTERSECTIONS IN BETWEEN. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE IT WITH SAFE SIGNAGE AND YOU KNOW, OPTIMAL PAVEMENT MARKS, ET CETERA FOR THAT. 
          AND THE SPEED LIMIT GOING THROUGH THERE IS GONNA BE 25. 
          SO IT'S STILL POSTED. 
          IT'S STILL POSTED AT 35 MILES AN HOUR, BUT TIGHTENING UP THE CURVES THROUGH THAT S CURVE WILL HELP WITH THAT. 
          SO 
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YES. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'LL PROBABLY BE, UM, SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO DRIVEWAYS THAT WE'RE JUST POINTED AT. 
          NO, IT SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN. 
          IT COULD BE TIGHTER TO THAT ONE WHERE SHE'S POINTING IT RIGHT NOW VERSUS UP TO THE TOP. 
          JUST BECAUSE YOU'LL HAVE THE MAXIMUM SITE DISTANCE IN BOTH DIRECTIONS. 
          DO WE HAVE OTHER AREAS IN THE TOWNSHIP THAT ARE 35 MILES AN HOUR THAT ARE CROSSWALKED AND SURE. 
          AND ARE WE CONSISTENT WITH THE WAY AND WE'VE NEVER HAD? YEAH, I JUST WANT, I JUST WORRY ABOUT THE SAFETY OF CROSSWALK. 
          THE OTHER THING THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO, TOM, IS UM, AND I HATE TO PROVIDE YET ANOTHER ISLAND . 
          UM, I DON'T LIKE THE ISLAND ON THE ROAD, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT YOU COULD DO IS SORT OF HOW YOU HAVE IT OUT HERE. 
          UM, THAT'S A 45 MILE MILE. 
          YEAH. 
          NO, I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE THE ISLAND, BUT THERE IS OTHER AREAS OF THE TOWNSHIP THAT HAVE CROSSWALKS ON 35 MILE MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO THIS ISN'T, YEAH, THIS ISN'T UNUSUAL. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT WHERE THE HOUSE IS BACK UP. 
          THERE WAS, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE GENTLEMAN'S NAME, BUT HE HAD A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT WATER FLOWING. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW, IT'S THE, THE, SO THE, THE HOUSE IS OLD MORGAN LANE THAT ARE BACKING UP TO IT. 
          THERE WAS THE WATER WOULD FLOW DOWN THROUGH THERE TODAY AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE GENTLEMAN AT THE END, KIND OF AT THE CORNER WAS THE END OF THE WATER GATHERING AND HIS YARD WOULD FLOOD. 
          I'M NOT SURE HOW IT GOES OFF. 
          THERE WAS ALSO A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT LEAVING ALL OF THE VEGETATION AND THE TREES AND NOT TAKEN DOWN. 
          I KNOW THERE'S SOME OLD NICE TREES IN THERE. 
          SO WHERE FROM THE LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE TO NOW, WHAT HAS CHANGED ALONG THAT AREA? SURE. 
          SO I CAN HAVE OUR ENGINEER GIVE YOU JUST AN OVERVIEW OF THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. 
          I DON'T WANNA MISSPEAK ON THAT. 
          UM, IN GENERAL, AND WE'LL TOUCH ON IT IN THE WAIVERS WE ARE PROPOSING IN CERTAIN AREAS TO RETAIN EXISTING VEGETATION. 
          THERE'S A 100 FOOT SETBACK THAT'S REQUIRED. 
          THERE'S ALSO SCREENING AND BUFFERING THAT'S REQUIRED. 
          WE'RE STILL PROPOSING TO DO ALL THE SCREENING AND BUFFERING, BUT IN ORDER TO PRESERVE THAT EXISTING TREE LINE, THE FIFTH WAIVER THAT IS ON OUR WAIVER LIST THAT WE SUBMITTED IS ACTUALLY TO SHIFT THAT WHOLE BUFFER BACK. 
          SO ESSENTIALLY YOU RETAIN THE EXISTING VEGETATION, YOU STILL PUT IN THE FULL WIDTH BUFFER WITH THE BERM, BUT YOU DON'T DISTURB THAT AREA RIGHT UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          SO WHEN YOU SAY BACK, YOU MEAN ON THIS PICTURE? DOWN INTO THE SITE? INTO THE SITE. 
          SO INTO THE SITE, THERE'LL BE A WIDTH THAT'S UNDISTURBED, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL RETAIN THE EXISTING VEGETATION. 
          THEN YOU'RE GONNA PUT YOUR NEW VEGETATION IN WITH THE BERM. 
          CUZ OBVIOUSLY TO PUT IN BERMS, WHICH ARE REQUIRED BY THE ORDINANCE. 
          AND ALSO THE RESIDENTS HAVE EXPRESSED THE DESIRE TO HAVE THEM. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO DO DISTURBANCE TO PUT IN THE BERMS. SO, AND THE WATER ISSUE EXISTS TODAY. 
          SO THERE WAS STILL A CONCERN OF THE BERM GOING IN, MAKING THAT WORSE, WHICH I KIND OF FELT WAS A VERY REAL POSSIBLE THING THAT COULD HAPPEN. 
          I'M NOT A WATER EXPERT, BUT YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU HAVE WATER PULLING UP TODAY AND YOU BUILD A BERM, YOU'RE JUST GONNA HOLD IT MORE. 
          SO I'LL HAVE RUST LONG, OUR CIVIL ENGINEER ADDRESS THE STORMWATER. 
          AND THEN I ALSO HAVE LISA THOMAS HERE, OUR, OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT THAT CAN GIVE YOU MORE DETAILS ABOUT GOOD EVENING. 
          YEAH. 
          CURRENTLY, UM, THE CONCERN THAT WE HAVE IS THE WATER COMING FROM THIS GENERAL AREA OF THE SITE AND FLOWING OUT THIS SIDE. 
          SO WITH THE ADDITION OF THE BERM, WHICH IS ROUGHLY WHERE THESE NEW TREES ARE PLANTED, IT'S FOUR FEET HIGH, APPROXIMATELY SIX TO ONE SLOPE GETS TO BE ABOUT 20 FEET WIDE. 
          UH, BEYOND THESE TREES ON THE UH, EXISTING VEGETATION SIDE, THERE IS A SWALE WITH INLETS THAT WILL COLLECT THIS WATER THAT FLOWS DOWN THE BERM AND BRING IT AND PUT IT INTO OUR STORE WATER STORAGE FACILITIES FOR DETENTION. 
          ARE WE ELIMINATING ALL THE WATER THAT COMES IN, IN THIS NATURAL AREA THAT WE'RE PRESERVING? NO. 
          ARE WE REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF FLOW THAT COMES FROM THE BERM IN THAT DIRECTION? YES. 
          SO TODAY THERE'S A SWALE BUT THERE'S NO INLET TO CARRY THAT WATER OTHER THAN TO FLOW IT TO THE, RIGHT. 
          NOW THERE'S, AND AN INLET IS A GRATE IN THE GROUND OR A SURE. 
          AND WHO MAINTAINS THAT? UM, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE HOA WOULD MAINTAIN THAT HOA WOULD, UM, THERE ARE TWO BASINS THAT WE'LL COLLECT AND A SERIES OF RAIN GARDENS. 
          UH, RAIN GARDENS ARE GONNA BE BETWEEN THESE UNITS HERE, THIS OPEN SPACE, THERE'S A BIGGER BASIN THAT IS RIGHT HERE AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A SMALLER BASIN THAT'S RIGHT HERE. 
          THOSE FIVE AREAS WILL COLLECT, 
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WILL RECEIVE WATER FROM THAT SWALE THROUGH THE INLETS, THROUGH PIPES TO UH, MAINTAIN THAT WATER DE DETAIN THE WATER. 
          SO THERE'S AREAS OF THE TOWNSHIP TODAY THAT THINGS LIKE THIS WERE BUILT THAT AS I'VE BEEN GETTING UP TO SPEED IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, I'M RECOGNIZING THAT ARE FAILING TODAY. 
          SO THE STORM WATER IS NOT RUNNING OFF 20 YEARS LATER BY CONCERN WITH THIS IS IT'S THE EXACT KIND OF SAME PLAN. 
          NOW YOU'RE TAKING WATER AND YOU'RE CHANNELING IT UNDER HOUSES TO A BASIN. 
          I'M GUESSING IT'S UNDER THE HOUSES, RIGHT? IT WOULD BE UNDER, NO, IT WOULD BE BE BETWEEN THE HOUSES. 
          BUT I GUESS THE HOA WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE TO REPAIR THAT DOWN THE ROAD. 
          CUZ TODAY THE TOWNSHIP'S TALKING ABOUT HAVING TO GO IN AND REPAIR STORM WATER ISSUES THAT WERE CREATED 20, 25 YEARS AGO THAT WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO. 
          AND I'M, I JUST DON'T WANT TO CREATE MORE OF THOSE SITUATIONS. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          YEAH, I WOULD SAY THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN 25 YEARS AGO AND TODAY IN THIS IS GENERALLY SPEAKING, ALL THE TOWNSHIPS, AT LEAST IN SOUTHEASTERN PENNSYLVANIA AND MONTGOMERY COUNTY IN PARTICULAR, THEY HAVE A COUNTYWIDE ACT 1 67 STORMWATER PLAN THAT FLOWS DOWN LITERALLY, I GUESS IN SOME SENSE TO THE TOWNSHIP ORDINANCE. 
          YOU HAVE YOUR OWN STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE, WHICH WE HAVE TO FOLLOW. 
          AND THEN THAT ORDINANCE ALSO REQUIRES THE LANDOWNER TO ENTER INTO AN OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT, WHICH WILL HAVE, AND N P DS PERMIT ALSO HAS THESE REQUIREMENTS WHERE THERE ARE DETAILED PROVISIONS IN THERE WHEN THE HOA HAS TO INSPECT, WHEN THEY HAVE TO MAKE REPAIRS, HOW, WHEN YOU KNOW, WHEN THOSE INSPECTIONS HAVE TO OCCUR. 
          AND BOTH THE TOWNSHIP AND D E P WILL HAVE ENFORCEMENT RIGHTS FOR THOSE THINGS 25 YEARS AGO. 
          THAT PROCESS WASN'T A STANDARDIZED PROCESS LIKE IT WOULD BE TODAY. 
          THE OTHER THING I WOULD NOTE IS THAT BECAUSE WE TEND TO DO THIS, I DO THIS NOW EVEN IN COMMUNITIES WHERE WE HAVE, UM, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENCES, A LOT OF TIMES WE SPECIFICALLY MAKE IT AN HOA RESPONSIBILITY. 
          HERE. 
          WE DON'T HAVE INDI INDIVIDUAL LOTS. 
          SO EVERY SINGLE WILL BE HOMEOWNER LAND. 
          THAT'S NOT A LITERAL BUILDING. 
          UM, BUT ESSENTIALLY YOU, THE TOWNSHIP ALSO WANTS TO HAVE ONE POINT OF CONTACT TO SAY, HEY, THERE'S A PROBLEM HERE, YOU GOTTA FIX IT. 
          THAT WILL BE THE HOA. 
          THEY'LL HAVE A BUDGET, THEY SHOULD, IF THEY'RE DOING THINGS PROPERLY, THEY SHOULD HAVE RESERVES, UM, FOR THE LIFES OF SOME OF THE HARD COMPONENTS OF THOSE SYSTEMS AS WELL. 
          SO ON UH, THE LAST TIME THAT YOU WERE HERE, THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN HERE THAT OWNED THE PROPERTY BELOW WHERE YOU'RE TALKING TO WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          AND TO TOM'S POINT IS, YOU'RE GONNA GUARANTEE US THAT THIS GUY'S NOT GONNA HAVE ANY MORE WATER ON HIS PROPERTY. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME? BECAUSE I THINK, I, I THINK I STRESSED THAT THE LAST TIME YOU GUYS WERE HERE. 
          I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS HOUSE HERE OR POSSIBLY THIS HOUSE HERE? NO, THE GUY BELOW THAT'S A PROPERTY BELOW THERE. 
          NO, IT'S, I THINK IT WAS ONE. 
          I THINK IT'S THE GUY ON THE CORNER. 
          I CAN'T, THIS IS THE GUY ON THE CORNER. 
          REMEMBER HIS NAME. 
          SO AS I MENTIONED IT, WE, THIS IMMEDIATE AREA HERE IS GO, THE EXISTING VEGETATION IS TO REMAIN. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANY GRADING HERE AT ALL. 
          SO ANYTHING, ANY RAIN THAT WOULD FALL IN THIS GENERAL AREA IS STILL GONNA GO OUT THAT SAME DIRECTION. 
          WHAT WE ARE DOING IS WE ARE REDUCING IN THE EXISTING CONDITION THIS AREA HERE, BY COLLECTING THAT WATER IN THE PROPOSED CONDITION IN THO IN THOSE SWES AND INLETS AND PIPES. 
          THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE SIDE OF THE BERM THAT LEADS DOWN TO THE SWALE. 
          BUT YOU SAID THE INLETS WOULD BE IN THE EXISTING SWALE TODAY, RIGHT? THERE'S NO EXISTING SWALES. 
          OH, I THOUGHT YOU SAID THERE WAS AN EXISTING THERE WHATSOEVER. 
          SO YOU'RE PUTTING A BERM UP, IT'S GONNA KEEP THE WATER FROM COMING ONTO THE PROPERTY THAT BERM, THAT WATER'S GONNA RUN DOWN THE BACK OF THE BERM. 
          OR ARE YOU TAKING THE WATER THAT'S ON THAT BERM AND PUTTING IT IN THAT SWELL AND RUNNING IT BETWEEN THE HOUSES IN ACTUAL EXISTING CONDITION? THERE'S A HIGH POINT THAT RUNS ABOUT WHERE THESE HOUSES ARE. 
          SO WATER FROM HERE IS ACTUALLY GOING THAT DIRECTION. 
          IT'S FLOWING UP ON THIS PLANT. 
          IT IS FLOWING IN THE NORTHEAST DIRECTION. 
          SO WE'RE, THE BERM COMING HERE IS GOING TO STOP SOME OF THAT FLOW CUZ WE ARE NOW DIRECTING IT TOWARDS THE STREET, TOWARDS THE BASIN. 
          SO THE WATER THAT WE'RE GONNA COLLECT IS OFF THE FACE OF THE BERM AS IT FLOWS DOWNHILL INTO THE SW IN A DIRECTION NORTHEAST ADDITIONAL WATER, THE, THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT HE WILL RECEIVE IS LESS THAN IS TODAY. 
          AND NOT MORE. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE DIVIDING THE DRAINAGE AREA IN HALF WITH THE BERM, THE DRAINAGE AREA THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE. 
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ANY MORE QUESTIONS? NO, I'M GOOD. 
          WE CAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA ADDRESS THE WAIVERS NOW? YEAH. 
          SO RUSS, YOU MIGHT AS WELL STAY UP HERE. 
          THE FIRST, THE, THE FIRST, UH, WAIVER THAT WE ARE REQUESTING, UM, PERTAINS TO MINIMUM CENTER LINE RADIUS, UM, WHICH IS REQUIRED TO BE 150 FEET ALONG LOCAL STREETS. 
          UM, THIS PLAN PROPOSES 75 FOOT CENTER LINE RADIUS IN THE INTERNAL ROADWAYS. 
          UM, THESE ARE INTENDED TO BE PRIVATE ROADWAYS RESTRICTED TO PARKING ON ONE SIDE. 
          AND RUSS, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA ADD ABOUT THAT, JUST FROM A GEOMETRY PERSPECTIVE TO MAKE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ACCESS POINTS WORK WITH EXISTING HOPWOOD ROAD CREATE SAFE CIRCULATION. 
          THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT REDUCTION. 
          THE SECOND WAIVER IS A WAIVER THAT PERTAINS TO COLLECTOR ROADS, WHICH ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A MINIMUM CART WIDTH OF 40 FEET. 
          UM, HOPWOOD ROAD, AS YOU KNOW, IS AN EXISTING TOWNSHIP ROAD AND CURRENTLY, UM, THE CART WIDTH ALONG THE SITE FRONTAGE IS APPROXIMATELY 32 FEET TO 48 FEET IN WHEAT WIDTH. 
          UM, ESSENTIALLY THE, THE PROJECT IS GOING TO WIDEN CERTAIN AREAS, BUT ULTIMATELY WE NEED TO MATCH UP WITH THE EXISTING ROADWAY. 
          SO THERE HAS TO BE AN ADJUSTMENT AS YOU GO THROUGH THE SITE TO, TO MEET UP WITH THE TWO ENDS OF THE STREET THAT ACTUALLY EXISTS TODAY. 
          UM, THE RIGHT OF WAY ALONG OUR FRONTAGE WILL BE THE REQUIRED RIGHT OF WAY. 
          SO IN THE FUTURE OF THE TOWNSHIP WOULD BE THAT RIGHT OF WAY, IT WILL BE THERE. 
          THE THIRD WAIVER IS, IS MORE TECHNICAL. 
          SO THIS ONE I WILL DEFER TO RUSSON. 
          IT RELATES TO MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE GRADING FOR SLOPE. 
          AND RUSS, IF YOU WANNA COME UP AND JUST EXPLAIN THE AREA IN QUESTION FOR THIS WAIVER REQUEST IS BEHIND THESE UNITS HERE, UM, TO MATCH THE EXISTING GRADE, WHICH IN THIS AREA DOWN HERE, WE DECIDED TO MAKE THE SLOPE, THE FILL THAT WE ARE PUTTING, PLACING BEHIND THESE AT A TWO AND A HALF TO ONE SLOPE, TWO AND A HALF FOOT HORIZONTAL, ONE FOOT VERTICAL. 
          THE REASON FOR THAT IS, UH, MAINTAINING THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT OF THREE TO ONE MAKES US USE UP ALL THIS AREA DOWN HERE TO MAINTAIN THAT SLOPE. 
          THE ENGINEERED SLOPE DISTURBING ADDITIONAL EXISTING STEEP SLOPES. 
          SO IN ORDER TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF EXISTING STEEP SLOPES THAT WERE DISTURBING, WE'VE ELECTED TO USE A, A, UH, A STEEPER SLOPE BEHIND HERE, WHICH IS ENGINEERED, THERE'LL BE A, AN EROSION MATTING, A PLACED ON TOP OF THAT IN VEGETATION TO ENSURE THAT, THAT THAT SLOPE MAINTAINS, UH, ITS TWO AND A HALF TO ONE VALUE. 
          ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT, PHIL? SORRY. 
          CAUGHT HIM. 
          CAUGHT HIM AT THE RIGHT TIME. 
          YEAH, I'M OKAY WITH IT. 
          TWO AND A HALF TO ONE, YOU KNOW, IS A COMPACTED FILL. 
          MM-HMM. 
           EROSION BLANKETS. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THERE'S A GUIDELINE FROM THE, UH, D E P AND THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT FOR THE TWO AND A HALF TO ONE SLOPE THAT WE'LL HAVE TO FOLLOW AS WELL. 
          IF HE SAYS IT'S OKAY, IT'S OKAY. 
            SIGN HIM UP. 
          AND THE GENTLEMAN THAT LIVES IN THAT HOUSE AT THE BOTTOM THERE, HE ALSO SPOKE ABOUT CONCERNS OF, SO ALL THAT VEGETATION'S GONNA STAY AS, AS WELL DOWN IN THAT AREA. 
          AND DOES THAT CAUSE ANY WATER GOING HIS DIRECTION? ARE YOU TALKING HERE? NO, NO. 
          DOWN TO THE RIGHT. 
          YEAH, THAT GUY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE IS UPHILL OKAY. 
          TILL ABOUT HERE. 
          AND THEN THIS AREA WOULD BE UPHILL FROM THE HOUSE. 
          SO THE SLOPE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS MORE IN THIS DIRECTION. 
          SO ANY, ANY EROSION, UH, THAT EROSION MATING IN OTHER FACILITIES THAT WE WOULD PUT HERE TO PREVENT THAT WOULD ALLOW THIS EXISTING TREES HERE TO STAY. 
          AND ALL THE DARK GREEN IS, THEY'RE TREES THAT ARE GONNA STAY. 
          THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE, IT'S NOT LIKE RIP 'EM MOUNTAIN REPLANT. 
          SO EVEN THE HOUSES IN THE UPPER RIGHT COR, UPPER LEFT CORNER CORNER AREA WOULD ONLY STRETCH DOWN TO WHERE THE LIGHT GREEN IS AND THE, THE DARK GREEN LINE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE FOURTH WAIVER PERTAINS TO, UM, THE OPEN SPACE AND REC FACILITIES REQUIREMENT. 
          THIS IS A VERY TECHNICAL WAIVER. 
          UM, THERE ARE VARIOUS REQUIREMENTS FOR THE ACTUAL OPEN SPACE. 
          FIRST YOU NEED TO HAVE 60%, WHICH WE HAVE. 
          UM, THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST 50% OF THE, THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE, SORRY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE 60% OPEN SPACE AND IT HAS TO BE SUITABLE FOR DRY GROUND RECREATION AREA USE, 
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WHICH WE HAVE OVER 60% WITH THE TRAIL INCLUDED. 
          AND THEN PART OF THAT DRY GROUND RECREATIONAL USE MUST BE NO MORE THAN 2% FINISHED GRADE. 
          SO THAT'S THE SPECIFIC WAIVER WE'RE REQUESTING. 
          ON THIS SITE, YOU WOULD NEED TO HAVE 1.97 ACRES AND WE ARE PROPOSING 0.94 ACRE. 
          IT DOES ALSO SAY IN YOUR ORDINANCE THAT THAT PARTICULAR REQUIREMENT CAN BE WAIVED IN CASES OF EXCEPTIONAL TOPOGRAPHY, WATER COURSES OR TREE COVERAGE. 
          AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SLOPES WATER COURSES, TREE COVERAGE HERE. 
          UH, WE ARE GRADING OUT CERTAIN AREAS THAT WILL MEET THAT DRY GROUND RECREATION REQUIREMENT THROUGHOUT THE SITE SO THAT THEY'RE SORT OF SPACED IN AREAS LIKE THIS. 
          THIS AREA IN THE FRONT, UM, THERE'S A POCKET UP HERE, THERE'S AN AREA. 
          I'M JUST SORT OF TRYING TO MATCH THIS UP WITH THE RENDERING AND THE PLAN. 
          UM, OVER THERE, THERE'S ANOTHER AREA OVER HERE. 
          SO THEY ARE THE, THE PLACES THAT ARE, THE FLATTER AREAS ARE SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE SITE, BUT WE DO NEED, WE ARE REQUESTING A SPECIFIC WAIVER AS IT RELATES TO THAT REQUIREMENT. 
          UM, AND THEN THE FINAL WAIVER RELATES TO WHAT I, WHAT WE WERE SPEAKING TO EARLIER. 
          AND I CAN HAVE, UH, LISA THOMAS, OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, EXPLAIN THIS IN MORE DETAIL. 
          THERE IS THIS 25 FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPE REQUIRED BUFFER, WHICH WE'RE PROPOSING TO MOVE INTO THE SITE IN CERTAIN AREAS. 
          SO LISA, IF YOU WANNA COME UP AND JUST EXPLAIN WHERE THOSE AREAS ARE. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          LISA THOMAS FROM BLACK AND THOMAS PANZA. 
          THE AREAS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THESE HOMES ON THAT ARE ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF HOPWOOD. 
          UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE PULLING THE BERM IN A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE HOMES TO ALLOW THE PRESERVATION OF THIS EX EXISTING VEGETATION. 
          AND THEN WE'RE ON TOP. 
          THE LANDSCAPING IS INTERWOVEN WITH THE BERM, THE SHRUBS. 
          THERE'S FLOWERING TREES, THERE'S EVERGREEN TREES AND THERE'S DECIDUOUS TREES. 
          THE RAIN GARDENS RIGHT HERE? YES. 
          AND THEY'LL HAVE NATIVE PLANT MATERIAL. 
          PARDON ME? THEY'LL HAVE NATIVE PLANT MATERIAL AND GRASSES IN THEM. 
          OKAY, SO THEY'LL BE MEANT TO HOLD WATER. 
          YES. 
          IT, I DON'T THINK THEY'LL HOLD IT VERY LONG, MUCH EITHER. 
          SO IT WON'T BE A WET. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THE IDEA FOR THE RAIN GARDEN, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL OF THEM ON HERE, ONE THERE, ONE THERE, ONE THERE. 
          THIS ONE HERE. 
          THE IDEA OF THE RAIN GARDEN IS THERE IS A SOIL MIX IN THE BOTTOM WHERE THE WATER SITS AND THE PLANTS THAT GROW IN THAT SOIL USE THE WATER TO GROW. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THERE'S NO STANDING WATER. 
          YOU DON'T GO OUT THERE AND SEE A PUDDLE ON THE GROUND. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'LL GROW CATTAILS AND WHATEVER ELSE. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          BUT THERE'S NO STANDING WATER. 
          YEAH, NO CATTAILS, , NO CAT. 
          SO, PARDON, MY, MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH TEST. 
          IS THERE GOING TO BE IN THE HOA KIND OF A PROHIBITION AGAINST MOWING THESE THINGS WITHIN AN INCH OF THEIR LIVES? YEAH, THERE ACTUALLY IS A DEP REQUIREMENT THAT THEY, THEY'RE NOT MOWED. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO GET ALL OF THE OTHER RETENTION PONDS IN THE TOWNSHIP NOT BE MOWED. 
          IT DEPENDS ON WHAT KIND, WHAT TYPE THEY ARE. 
          UNFORTUNATELY. 
          , THANK YOU. 
          JUST SOME MORE QUESTIONS ON, ON, SORRY, BILL. 
          IN MY, IN MY MIND, THE HILL IS WHERE THE HOUSES ARE NOW. 
          WHEN YOU TAKE A BODY OF WATER AND YOU SHRINK THE AREA THAT THE WATER IS IN, THE WATER RISES. 
          RIGHT? SO IF YOU HAVE A SAME AMOUNT OF WATER IN A SMALLER CONTAINER, THE WATER GOES HIGHER. 
          AND AGAIN, I'M NOT A WATER EXPERT. 
          SO YOU'RE TAKING WHERE THE HILL IS TODAY, WHERE THE HOUSES ARE BEING PLANNED AND YOU'RE MOVING THAT UP TOWARDS THE BACKYARDS OF THE HOUSES ON MORGAN LANE, SQUISHING THAT AREA OF WHERE THE WATER IS EFFECTIVELY RISING THE WATER. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHEN, WHEN THAT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I MEAN, IN MY MIND IT MAKES SENSE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT MAKES SENSE OR NOT, BUT ART IS TWO GREATS THERE SUFFICIENT TO GET THAT WATER OUT OF THERE. 
          I JUST, I DON'T FEEL GOOD THAT THE WATER PROBLEM IS BEING RESOLVED UP THERE. 
          I, I JUST, I, IS THERE ANOTHER OPTION TO PUT IN MORE GREATS? THERE'S FIVE, THERE'S FIVE GRATES. 
          FIVE IN THE SWALE. 
          SO THE IDEA IS THAT THE GRATE PLACED IN THE SWALE WILL CATCH WATER AS THE WATER MOVES ALONG THE SWALE. 
          SO THE, THE VOLUME AT THE END OF THE SWALE IS NOT GREAT BECAUSE IT'S LOST SOME OF THOSE, SOME OF ITS VOLUME IN EACH ONE OF THE GRATES AS IT PASSES OVER, UNLIKE THE ALONG A CURB YOU 
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SEE, IT RUNS ALONG THE CURB. 
          SOME OF IT GOES IN EVERY LITTLE GRATE ON THE, ALONG THE WAY. 
          AND THE WAY THE DESIGN SITS RIGHT NOW, UH, THE BERM ACTS AS A DIVIDING LINE. 
          SO ANY OF THE WATER THAT'S FROM THE TR THIS TREE LINE WHERE THE BERM WILL BE THIS WAY IS ALREADY, IS FLOWING INTO THE STREET OR INTO THESE RAIN GARDENS AND EVENTUALLY INTO THE MAIN STORMWATER BASIN. 
          SO WE HAVE A LINE HERE THAT'S THE HIGH SPOT. 
          EVERYTHING SOUTH OF THAT LINE GOES INTO A BASIN DIRECTLY. 
          EVERYTHING NORTH OF THIS LINE GOES INTO A SWALE, INTO AN INLET, AND THEN INTO THE BASIN CHANCE THAT, SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A WATER PROBLEM? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. 
          AS THESE HOUSES, UH, FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATIONS ARE ABOVE THE AREAS THAT ARE THE RAIN GARDENS BETWEEN THE HOUSES. 
          AND SO THEY'RE ELEVATED. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE PIPE, THE PIPES THAT ARE SERVICING THIS SWALE FROM BEHIND COME BETWEEN, UH, THROUGH THE BERM INTO THIS RAIN GARDEN THROUGH THE BERM TO THIS ONE, THROUGH THE BERMAN TO THIS RAIN GARDEN. 
          THERE IS ONE PIPE THAT COMES RIGHT THROUGH THIS AREA HERE INTO THIS BASIN HERE. 
          AND THIS SW GOES RIGHT INTO THIS BASIN HERE. 
          AND THERE'S ABSOLUTELY FIVE OF THEM TODAY. 
          WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S NONEXISTENT. 
          WELL, FIVE IN THE PLAN TODAY. 
          PLAN, YEAH. 
          ROSE PLAN RUSS, I'M LOOKING AT THE INLET PLAN THERE. 
          LOOKS LIKE THERE'S THREE IN THE SWALE BACK THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          IN THE BACKSIDE. 
          THERE ARE THREE, NOT, NOT FIVE. 
          ONE GOES INTO THIS ONE HERE, ONE HERE, AND THEN I BELIEVE THERE'S ONE HERE. 
          SO IT WOULD BE FOUR. 
          THIS SWALE DRAINS RIGHT INTO BASIN AT THE BOTTOM HERE. 
          SO IT'S FOUR BILL, YOU GUYS MAY, MAY, I SUGGEST THAT, UH, WE MEET AND DO A FIELD LOOK AT IT. 
          UM, I'M WONDERING IF HEARING THE BOARD'S CONCERN, IF IT MAKES SENSE TO EITHER EXTEND OR PLACE ANOTHER INLET IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE REAR OF THE, UM, WHAT'S THAT MORGAN LANE PROPERTIES AT ONE OR MORE OF THESE THREE PIPES THAT GO THROUGH THE BERM? UM, IF THERE'S A SWALE OUT THERE RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE THAT'S COLLECTING WATER, IS WHY I'M SAYING THAT IF THERE'S A SWALE RIGHT ON THE MORGAN LANE PROPERTY LINE, UH, MAYBE PUT US INLET BREAK BACK IN THAT EXISTING SWALE. 
          I, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS AN EXISTING SW AND THAT'S WHY I SAID A FIELD MEETING TO LOOK AT. 
          WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO A FIELD MEETING TO DETERMINE IF THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE OR ADDITIONAL INLET HERE, OR THERE MIGHT BE OF SOME, IS THERE A TRADE OFF? CUZ YOU GOTTA RIP OUT MORE TREES THEN TO DO THAT. 
          THAT, THAT'S THE NEGATIVE IS THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA DO BREAK TO THE PROPERTY LINE, THAT 25 FOOT NATURAL BUFFER YOU'RE MAINTAINING, YOU'RE GONNA LOSE ABOUT 20 FEET OF IT WHERE THAT ADDITIONAL INLET WOULD GO ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          SO YOU'D HAVE A GAP IN THAT EXISTING BUFFER YOU'RE TRYING TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF, THAT WOULD BE THE NEGATIVE ASSOCIATED WITH SOMETHING, BUT THERE IS NO SW THERE, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT. 
          IF THERE IS A SW THERE, THEN YOU GOTTA, IT'S A TOSS UP. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU'RE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT WATER OR TREES IN THAT 20 FOOT WIDTH. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I'M NOT THE EXPERT . 
          WELL, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THERE'S PLUSES AND MINUSES TO ALL, ALL DECISIONS . 
          SO, SO EDUCATE ME, MR. GRACE, PRELIMINARY DOESN'T MEAN IT MEANS THINGS HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT YET, RIGHT? YES. 
          YOU THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S STILL A FINAL PLAN AND, AND THERE IS RE-ENGINEERING AND NOT EXTENSIVE RE-ENGINEERING, BUT THERE IS REVIEW OF THE ENGINEERING AND, AND MORE QUESTIONS THAT CAN BE ANSWERED IN THE NEXT STEP IN PRELIMINARY, IN FINAL. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, UH, WILL THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEER GET ANOTHER CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE HYDROLOGY STUDY? CERTAINLY BEFORE FINAL. 
          OKAY. 
          CURRENTLY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          I WAIT A MINUTE. 
          I HAVE A, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION OR TWO. 
          UM, THE, THE INTERSECTION, THIS, OH, FIRST OF ALL, TELL, TELL ME ABOUT THE PARKING THAT'S ON HERE. 
          IS THIS GONNA BE, WHICH SIDE OF THE ROAD IS THIS THING GONNA BE ON THE PARKING? CURRENTLY THE PARKING IS RESTRICTED ON THE INNER SIDE OF THESE ROADS. 
          SO THERE'LL BE PARKING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD. 
          YEAH, THE PARKING IS ON THE LONGER THE OUTER SIDE AND IT'S RESTRICTED ON THE INSIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO GOING OVER TO THE, ON THAT SIDE OF IT, THERE ARE 
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HOW MANY, I'M WONDERING ABOUT THE, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES DOES EACH ONE OF THESE UNITS HAVE? TWO, TWO CAR GARAGE AND A TWO SPACE DRIVEWAY FOR EACH UNIT. 
          SO FOUR. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO THERE WON'T BE ANY PARKING. 
          I WANNA GET THE PARKING RIGHT. 
          THERE WON'T BE ANY PARKING ON THAT SIDE OF THE HOPWOOD. 
          THERE WON'T BE PARKING ON EITHER SIDE OF THE STREET? NO, THERE'S NO PARKING ON HOPWOOD. 
          NOT, NOT HOPWOOD. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT THE RIGHT SIDE. 
          THAT PARCEL, THE PIECE ON THE OTHER SIDE OVER THERE. 
          THIS SIDE HERE? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THERE, THERE'S NO PARKING ON THE INSIDE LOOP. 
          THE INSIDE IS PARKING RESTRICTED. 
          SO ON BOTH SIDES? NO, JUST INSIDE OF THIS ROAD. 
          OKAY. 
          HERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          GO. 
          OKAY. 
          BOTH SIDES ARE INSIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M, I'M HAPPY WITH THAT. 
          THE TRAIL, THE TRAIL THAT YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT'S GOING TO GO DOWN TOWARDS, TOWARDS 29. 
          IT'S GOING TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN. 
          YOU HAVE ACCESS TO TAKING IT ALL THE WAY TO ROUTE 29. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT TAKING SIDEWALK UP DOWN THERE, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A PIECE OF SIDEWALK IN THERE. 
          CORRECT. 
          WE HAD DISCUSSED WITH THE TOWNSHIP THAT, THAT WE'VE, WE BELIEVE THAT'S ALL AN EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY. 
          AND WE DISCUSSED THAT THAT WOULD BE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH THE TRAIL TO PROVIDE CONTINUOUS TRAIL, YOU KNOW, THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          INSTEAD OF HAVING YEAH. 
          THIS, YOU KNOW, SO YOU'LL TAKE IT DOWN AT THE INTERSECTION WHERE PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO HIT A BUTTON AND TAKE THEIR BIKE ACROSS. 
          EXACTLY. 
          WILL IT JOIN UP WITH THE OTHER PARCEL DOWN ACROSS 29? YES. 
          THAT'S THE IDEA. 
          IS THAT THIS, YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY IS, ARE YOU GUYS LOOKING AT THAT YET? I MEAN, UH, JOHN ON THE, ON THE UR KEY STATION PLAN, WE ALREADY HAVE THAT WORKED OUT. 
          THERE'S TWO, ACTUALLY TWO TRAIL CONNECTIONS. 
          ONE THAT GOES INTO THE APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S SIDEWALK AND TRAIL. 
          BUT WE ALSO HAVE, THEY HAVE PARKING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF NORMA RUN ON THE NORTH SIDE OF NORMA RUN. 
          IT WILL GO THROUGH THAT AND THERE WILL BE A TRAIL THROUGH THEIR PORTION OF THE PROPERTY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF NORMA RUN. 
          WE'VE DONE THAT. 
          WE'VE ASKED THEM TO DO IT THAT WAY SO THAT WE CAN SEPARATE THE TRAIL OUT. 
          A, WE'RE NOT RUNNING A TRAIL THROUGH THE APARTMENT COMPLEX, WHICH I THINK TENDS TO MUDDY THE WATERS A LITTLE BIT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IT CREATES A, A BETTER TRAIL AND POTENTIALLY SOME USE OF SOME OF THEIR PARKING AS A TRAILHEAD RIGHT THERE AT 29 AND NORMA RUN. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SORRY, BUT YOU MENTIONED TRAILHEAD. 
          IS THERE GONNA BE A TRAILHEAD THERE OR IS IT JUST GONNA BE PARKING REQUIREMENTS? I I DON'T THINK IT'S A FORMALIZED TRAILHEAD, BUT THEY'VE DISCUSSED THAT THEY NEED, THEY NEED THAT TO MAKE THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENT. 
          AND IF WE CAN COME TO SOME ARRANGEMENT, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. 
          I HAVE NO PROBLEM. 
          BUT THAT TRAIL ENDS UP, IT, IT WILL DEFINITELY CONNECT WITH THE PERON TRAIL THEN? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I THINK THAT WAS IT. 
          SO THE ARRANGEMENT WOULD BE PEOPLE CAN PARK THEIR CARS DOWN IN THE LOT FOR THE APARTMENTS AND CATCH THE TRAIL OR THEIR BUGS. 
          THERE'S A SMALL, I I, I CAN'T QUOTE THE NUMBER OF SPACES, BUT AGAIN, WE'VE, WE'VE PUT IT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF NORMA RUN BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE COMING IN AND PARKING IN THE APARTMENT COMPLEX TO CONNECT TO THE TRAILS. 
          WE'RE SORT OF SEPARATING THAT OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT, SO THAT IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S STILL PART OF THE APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT'S, IT'S SEPARATE AND IT'S VISUALLY SEPARATED BY NORMA RUN THE, THE CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED WITH THAT WAS IT'S, I THINK IT'S APPROXIMATELY 26 PARKING SPACES. 
          SO WE'RE NOT THINKING THAT IT WILL ACTUALLY BE NEEDED FOR THE APARTMENTS, BUT LIKE JEFF SAID, BECAUSE IT IS PART OF THE ORDINANCE REQUIRED PARKING IN THE EVENT THAT WE DO NEED TO USE IT FOR THE ACTUAL APARTMENTS, WE'D USE IT. 
          OTHERWISE, THE IDEA WOULD BE IT POTENTIALLY COULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC TO UTILIZE THAT. 
          AND THAT'S SHOWN ON THAT PLAN. 
          YEAH. 
          THE OTHER NICE THING ABOUT THAT IS THAT WE'LL CONNECT ANDERSON FARM PARK. 
          SO THAT WILL BE ANOTHER PLACE PEOPLE CAN PARK AND FOLLOW THE TRAIL DOWN HOP WOOD, AND GO ON THE PARK ISLAND TRAIL. 
          HOPEFULLY IT'LL TIE MOST OF OUR TOWNSHIP TRAIL SYSTEM IN. 
          IT'S ALL GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I WANTED, I I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT I DID, AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THERE WAS SOME QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT THE, THE FIRE, UH, ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE PLAN AT THE REVISED PLAN. 
          I DID ASK HIM THE FOLLOWING DATA TO, TO REVIEW IT AND TO COORDINATE IF HE HAD ANY QUESTIONS. 
          HE LOOKED AT THE PARKING AND THE, THE ONE SIDE OF THE STREET PARKING DIDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT. 
          EMAILED ROSS SAID THAT THAT WASN'T A PROBLEM. 
          HE HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME FIRE, UM, FIRE HYDRANT SPACING, BUT HE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE ANY OF THAT WAS AN ISSUE AND, AND WOULD THEY COULD RESOLVE THAT FINE BY FINAL PLAN SO THAT THERE'S A GAP BETWEEN WHAT THE FIRE MARSHAL REVIEWED IN NOVEMBER, I THINK, AND THEN WHAT WAS SUBMITTED IN JANUARY. 
          SO HE HAS LOOKED AT IT AND HE'S OKAY WITH IT. 
          THERE'S A FEW JUST ADMINISTRATIVE AND, UM, TECHNICAL ISSUES TO WORK OUT, BUT HE DOESN'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY MORE QUESTIONS? HEY, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          YOU MAKE A MOTION. 
          TOM, YOU ASKED ALL THE QUESTIONS. 
          [01:10:01]
, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 10 GRANTING PRELIMINARY LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR 1 27 HOT WOOD ROAD, HOT WOOD ROAD TOWNHOUSES. 
          I'LL SECOND AT MOTION. 
          ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 10 GRANTING PRELIMINARY LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR 1 72 HOPWOOD ROAD. 
          HOPWOOD ROAD TOWNHOMES. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYE. 
          ARE YOU OPPOSED? I'M OPPOSING. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WAS 44 1 AGAINST TOM. 
          YEAH, I'LL JUST RECORD TOM YAGER AS IT WAS THE VOTE AGAINST. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, NEXT ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, UH, CONSIDER OR EXCUSE ME, ITEM SIX, CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 11 GRANTING FINAL LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR ONE 11 EAST LINFIELD TRAP ROAD THREE LOT SUBDIVISION. 
          GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. 
          MY NAME IS STEVE CLIFTON WITH CHESCA REAL ESTATE, THE APPLICANT FOR THE SUBDIVISION AT ONE 11 EAST LINFIELD TRAP ROAD. 
          UH, WE ARE HERE, UH, HOPING THAT YOU GUYS WILL GRANT FINAL APPROVAL FOR OUR SUBDIVISION AND LAND DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT'S A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD USE BY RIGHT? BUT IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HERE TO ANSWER IT. 
          I HAD EMAILED BOTH OF YOU GUYS ON THURSDAY AND I NEVER HEARD BACK FROM ANYBODY. 
          ONE OF THEM KICKED BACK AS UNDELIVERABLE. 
          I FORGET WHICH ONE. 
          UH, PROBABLY BRIAN'S AND THE, AND THE OTHER ONE DIDN'T KICK BACK, SO I ASSUMED IT WENT THROUGH BECAUSE WE NEVER DISCUSSED THE CONTRIBUTION ISSUE FOR THE WAIVERS. 
          NO, WE DIDN'T GET THE EMAIL. 
          I DIDN'T GET IT EITHER. 
          I MEAN, I CAN TAKE A FEW MINUTES RIGHT NOW AND TALK TO THESE GUYS IF YOU WANT TO MOVE ON, MR. STARLING TO A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS ON THE AGENDA, BUT THERE MIGHT, IT MIGHT HAVE TO BE PUSHED BACK IF WE, DEPENDING ON THE CONVERSATION. 
          ALL RIGHT, WE'LL, WE'LL TABLE THAT UNTIL THE END OF, UH, END OF OUR BUSINESS SECTION AND, UH, COME BACK TO IT. 
          SO THAT'S ITEM NUMBER SIX. 
          WE'RE GONNA TABLE FOR NOW WHILE MR. PRESIDENT, UH, TALKS ABOUT FEES. 
          ALL RIGHT, NUMBER SEVEN, CONSIDER APPROVING MODIFICATION TO THE EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP POLICE CHIEF. 
          UM, I THINK EVERYONE SAW IN THEIR PACKET THAT OUR CHIEF IS ENTERING THE DROP PROGRAM. 
          HE WANTS TO RETIRE IN FIVE YEARS, BUT WE NEED TO EXTEND HIS CONTRACT. 
          SO, UH, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MODIFICATION TO THE EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP POLICE CHIEF. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MODIFICATION TO THE EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP POLICE CHIEF. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND 
          [NEW BUSINESS (ACTION/DISCUSSION ITEMS)]
NOW ON TO NEW BUSINESS. 
          CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF A RESIGNATION AGREEMENT WITH THE FINANCE DIRECTOR. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS IN MULTIPLE, UH, EXECUTIVE SESSIONS. 
          I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION OF A RESIGNATION AGREEMENT WITH THE FINANCE DIRECTOR. 
          I SECOND THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND TO AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION OF A RESIGNATION AGREEMENT WITH OUR FINANCE FORMER FINANCE DIRECTOR. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW THE NEXT 1, 2, 3, 4 MOTIONS ARE RELATED TO, UM, THE, UH, UH, SEVERING OF A RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR. 
          WE NEED TO MAKE SOME APPOINTMENTS, SOME INTERIM APPOINTMENTS TO, UH, CONTINUE TOWNSHIP BUSINESS. 
          SO, UH, I THINK WE'LL GO THROUGH 'EM ONE BY ONE. 
          WE DID HAVE A DISCUSSION OF THIS ALSO IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          UM, FIRST ONE IS A MOTION TO APPOINT, UH, TIMOTHY JERMAN AS THE TOWNSHIP TREASURER. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT TIMOTHY J TIMBERMAN AS TOWNSHIP TREASURER. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I HAVE A MOTION. 
          AND SECOND TO APPOINT TIMOTHY JERMAN AS TOWNSHIP TREASURER. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. 
          OUR NEXT ONE IS, UH, IS, UH, ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 12 SAYING A NEW BOND AMOUNT FOR THE TOWNSHIP MANAGER, TREASURER SECRETARY. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          I MAKE THE MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 12, SETTING A NEW 2023 BOND AMOUNT FOR THE TOWNSHIP MANAGER, TREASURER SECRETARY. 
          SECOND THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION. 
          AND SECOND TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 12, SETTING A NEW 2023 BOND AMOUNT FOR THE TOWNSHIP MANAGER, MANAGER SLASH TREASURER SLASH SECRETARY. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. 
          [01:15:01]
UH, THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, RE UH, CONSIDERED ADOPTING RESOLUTION 20 23 13, APPOINTED TOWNSHIP MANAGER AND ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR AS LIAISONS WITH BERKHEIMER. 
          I ENTERTAIN A MOTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 13, APPOINTING THE TOWNSHIP MANAGER AND ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR AS LIAISON WITH BURER. 
          A SECOND THAT ALL RIGHT. 
          OF A MOTION. 
          A SECOND TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 13 APPOINTING TO TOWNSHIP MANAGER AND ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR AS LIAISONS WITH BURKHEIMER. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. 
          AND THE FOURTH ONE RELATED TO THIS TOPIC, CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 14 APPOINTING TO TOWNSHIP MANAGER AND ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR AS THE TAX COLLECTION COMMITTEE DELEGATES. 
          AND, UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          IT'S AT THE TOP OF THE NEXT PAGE. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO STOP RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 14 APPOINTED TO TOWNSHIP MANAGER AND ASSISTANCE ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR AS THE TAX COLLECTION COMMITTEE DELEGATES. 
          SECOND THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 14 APPOINTING THE TOWNSHIP MANAGER AND ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR AS THE TAX COLLECTION COMMITTEE DELEGATES. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          NEXT, UH, CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 15 AUTHORIZING A BUDGET, BUDGET AMENDMENT TO THE 2023 CAPITAL AND OPERATING BUDGET FOR AN ADDITIONAL CONTRIBUTION TO FRIENDSHIP AMBULANCE. 
          UH, AND I JUST WANNA SAY I'M EXTREMELY PLEASED THAT WE CHOSE FRIENDSHIP AMBULANCES, OUR NEW AMBULANCE COMPANY IN THE TOWNSHIP, AND THEY'VE BEEN DOING A GOOD JOB. 
          THEY'RE PURCHASING SOME NEW AMBULANCES, AND IT'S NICE TO HAVE NEW EQUIPMENT. 
          AND WE ALSO KNOW THE, THE FINANCIAL STRAIN THAT, UH, THESE EMS COMPANIES ARE UNDER. 
          JUST CHECK THE NEWS ANY DAY. 
          PRETTY MUCH . 
          AND, UH, SO ANYWAY, WE'RE GOING TO CONTRIBUTE $40,000 TOWARDS ONE OF THESE AMBULANCES. 
          YOU CAN BELIEVE THAT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE PRICE OF ONE OF THOSE THINGS. 
          SO ANYWAY, UM, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. 
          WE'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 15 AUTHORIZING A BUDGET AMENDMENT, THE 2023 CAPITAL AND OPERATING BUDGET FOR AN ADDITIONAL CONTRIBUTION TO FRIENDSHIP AMBULANCE. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 15 AUTHORIZING A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO THE 2023 CAPITAL AND OPERATING BUDGET FOR AN ADDITIONAL CONTRIBUTION TO FRIENDSHIP AMBULANCE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, THIS IS RELATED TO OUR RECENTLY, UH, APPROVED CONTRACT WITH OUR FIRE, UH, FIGHTER UNION. 
          AND THIS, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA ADOPT THE RESOLUTION 20, OR WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2023 DASH SIX DASH 16 PERTAINING TO THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE TOWNSHIP'S FIRE PENSION PLAN. 
          I'LL ENTER, IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, I'LL, I'LL ENTER, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 16 PERTAINING TO THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE TOWNSHIP'S FIRST PENSION PLAN. 
          OKAY, I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 16 PERTAINING TO THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE TOWNSHIP F TOWNSHIP'S. 
          FIRE PREVENTION PLAN PENSION, PENSION PLAN, PENSION PLAN. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ITEM NUMBER 15, CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 17 REGARDING THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE TOWNSHIP'S NON-UNIFORM PENSION PLAN. 
          IT'S MORE THE SAME , SO I ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 17 REGARDING THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE TOWNSHIP'S NON-UNIFORM PENSION PLAN. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 17 REGARDING THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE TOWNSHIP'S NON-UNIFORM PENSION PLAN. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND, UH, WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER, AND I, I WANT TO THANK FIRST BEFORE WE CONSIDER HER RESIGNATION. 
          WENDY EARL WAS SERVED MANY YEARS NOW ON THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD. 
          AND, UH, SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT HER RESIGNATION FROM THE BOARD. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE RESIGNATION OF PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD MEMBER WENDY EARL. 
          SECOND THAT I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADD, TO ACCEPT THE RESIGNATION OF PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD MEMBER WENDY EARL. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          [01:20:01]
AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. 
          FORTUNATELY, WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO STEPPED FORWARD AND, UH, I KNOW THAT OUR PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR WHO IS ACCEPTING A WAR AND AWARD IN HERSHEY, PENNSYLVANIA TONIGHT FOR OUR NEW PLAYGROUND OUTSIDE, UM, HAS, UH, FOUND THIS PERSON WHO WAS INTERESTED IN SERVING. 
          SO I THINK WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, AND, UH, PUT HER ON THE BOARD IF IN AGREEMENT. 
          SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT SANDRA ANDERSON TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD TO FILL A TERM THROUGH DECEMBER 20, 23. 
          SECOND THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND TO APPOINT SANDRA ANDERSON TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD TO FILL A TERM THROUGH DECEMBER, 2023. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU, MR. 
          [OLD BUSINESS (ACTION/DISCUSSION ITEMS) (Part 2 of 2)]
STARLING, IF WE COULD GO BACK TO AGENDA ITEM 6 1 11 LINFIELD TRAP. 
          YES, SIR. 
          WE HAD A PRODUCTIVE AND EASY CONVERSATION, UH, OUT IN THE LOBBY, UH, THAT, THAT MATTERS. 
          READY TO GO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THEY WILL, THEY'LL BE CONTRIBUTING $12,000, UH, IN CONSIDERATION OF THE, UH, WORK THAT'S BEING WAIVED, WHICH HAD A TOTAL ESTIMATED COST OF $30,000. 
          SO THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING 12,000 TOWARDS THAT TO BE DEFERRED UNTIL FIRST PERMIT ON ONE, WHEN ONE OF THE LOTS GOES UNDER CONSTRUCTION, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT DOING ANY CONSTRUCTION AT THIS TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, SO I'LL TAKE YOU BACK TO ITEM NUMBER SIX. 
          UM, AND THAT WAS, CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 11 GRANTING FINAL LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR ONE 11 EAST LINFIELD TRAP ROAD, A THREE LOT SUBDIVISION. 
          I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THAT. 
          I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 11 GRANTING FINAL LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR ONE 11 EAST LINFIELD TRAP ROAD THREE LOT SUBDIVISION. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I HAVE A MOTION, I HAVE A SEC. 
          A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 11 GRANTING FINAL LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR ONE 11 EAST LINFIELD TRAP ROAD, A THREE LOT SUBDIVISION. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT WAS EASY. 
          THANK YOU GUYS. 
          HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. 
          YEP. 
          AND THAT TAKES US TWO MANAGER 
          [MANAGER AND DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS]
AND DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS. 
          SO WE'LL START WITH THE DISTINGUISHED, UH, BILL, WHO'S COME BACK TO GRACIOUS THIS EVENING. 
          BILL, YOU HAVE ANYTHING? UH, WILL, WILL YOU STOP THE RAIN BILL , STOP THE RAIN. 
          WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WATER STOP. 
          TOM, UH, MENTIONED, UH, UH, PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING FOR PAVING CONTRACT. 
          A, UH, AND THEY'RE GONNA GET STARTED APRIL 14TH OR 17TH, I GUESS 17TH I GUESS IT IS. 
          UH, TINDI RUN PUMP STATION, THE GENERATOR AND VFDS, UH, FINALLY CAME IN AND THE CONTRACTORS WERE INSTALLING THOSE TODAY. 
          AND WE'VE, UM, SENT OUT AN EMAIL TO SCHEDULE A STARTUP, UH, FOR THAT PUMP STATION. 
          SO HOPEFULLY, UH, BY THIS TIME NEXT MONTH, YOU'LL HAVE A FULLY OPERATIONAL SYSTEM OUT THERE. 
          FANTASTIC. 
          THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. 
          THANK YOU, BILL. 
          UM, CASEY, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR US THIS EVENING? UM, I'LL JUST MENTION THAT THE TOWNSHIP WAS AWARDED, UH, A GRANT FOR THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING OF COLLEGEVILLE ROAD, UH, ROUTE 29 AT ARCOLA ROAD. 
          UH, IF YOU REMEMBER, WE PUT IN A GRANT APPLICATION FOR THAT THROUGH THE LOCAL SHARE GRANT APPLICATION. 
          SO, UM, CONGRATULATIONS ON RECEIVING THAT AWARD, AND WE CAN START WORKING ON THAT ONCE, UH, THE PAPERWORK IS SIGNED AND APPROVED AND THE CONTRACT GENERATED. 
          WHAT'S THAT? OH, SORRY. 
          THAT'S, SORRY, WHAT, WHAT, UH, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT THERE FOR, FOR A CROSSING A BRIDGE? A TUNNEL OR ? NO, I'M, I'M, I'M CASEY I'M BEING SERIOUS. 
          WHAT, WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH. 
          NO, THIS IS AN ACT, GREAT CROSSING. 
          UM, IT, IT WILL GO TO A MEDIAN ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD THERE. 
          UM, IT WAS PART OF THE, UM, THE PLAN THAT WE DID FOR THE TOWNSHIP WHEN WE DID, UM, UH, THE PEDESTRIAN LOOK ACROSS THE TOWNSHIP, UH, FOR CONTROLLED ACCESS. 
          AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE LOCATIONS THAT WAS IDENTIFIED. 
          UM, SO, UH, THERE'S BEEN CONCERNS OVER WHERE THAT CROSSING COULD BE MADE, UM, IF A CROSSING COULD BE MADE. 
          UH, WE RAN THAT PLAN BY PENDOT, UM, AS TO A LOCATION, UH, TO PROVIDE A SAFE HAVEN, UH, SO THAT PEDESTRIANS COULD CROSS TO A WIDER MEDIAN AREA AND THEN BE ABLE TO, TO WAIT THERE IF THERE WASN'T THE ABILITY TO MAKE IT ALL THE WAY ACROSS. 
          AND SO, UH, THE STATE'S PROVIDED THE FUNDING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 
          HOW MUCH IS THE FUNDING CASE? UM, I'M GOING TO, UH, I'M GONNA GO BACK INTO MY NOTES HERE. 
          UM, 
          [01:25:03]
GEEZ. 
          YEAH, I WAS, I WAS GONNA SAY IT'S A, ABOUT 105 HUNDRED $6,000. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          AND TIM, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR US TONIGHT? AND, UH, OKAY. 
          [CONSULTANT REPORTS]
ALL RIGHT. 
          WE HAVE, UH, UNDER, UH, RELEASES OF, UH, ESCROW COUNTS. 
          WE HAVE ONE ITEM TONIGHT TO HP FRASER RELEASE NUMBER NINE. 
          EVERYTHING'S ALL RIGHT WITH THAT, JEFF? WE'RE GOOD. 
          YEAH, WE'RE TRYING OUT NEW LANGUAGE WITH THAT BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE COMPLICATED. 
          WE HAVE LIKE THREE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE CALL ESCROW ACCOUNT. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THIS TO LIKE AN IMPROVEMENT GUARANTEE REDUCTION. 
          IT'S BASICALLY THE LETTER OF CREDIT THAT DEVELOPMENT PUTS ON A DEVELOPMENT. 
          WHEN BILL'S OFFICE GOES AND INSPECTS THEM, THEY ASK FOR A REDUCTION. 
          SO WE'RE RE IT'S, WE'RE REDUCING THE IMPROVEMENT GUARANTEE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL WORK ON IT. 
          . 
          NOW YOU THREW ME A CURVE BALL THERE, . 
          I KNOW WHAT THAT WAS. 
          I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          IF SOMEONE WANTS TO ATTEMPT A NEW LANGUAGE, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MONTHLY DEVELOPER. 
          BOY, WE'RE ALL GETTING TONGUE TIED TONIGHT. 
          MONTHLY DEVELOPER IMPROVEMENT GUARANTEE REDUCTION LIST AS FOLLOWS. 
          HP FRASER RELEASE NUMBER NINE IN THE AMOUNT OF $101,826 AND 50 CENTS. 
          SECOND THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MONTHLY DEVELOPER IMPROVEMENT GUARANTEE REDUCTION LIST AS FOLLOWS. 
          ITEM A HP FRAZIER, RELEASE NUMBER NINE $101,826 AND 50 CENTS. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          AND, UH, MR. 
          [SOLICITOR REPORT]
SOLICITOR, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR US? OH, YES, YOU DO. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST ONE QUICK THING. 
          UH, IF I COULD HAVE YOUR AUTHORIZATION TO PREPARE A RELEASE TO HAVE SIGNED BY A PROPERTY OWNER, UH, ON VALLEY VIEW DRIVE. 
          UH, WE HAD SOME, UH, REPAIRS THAT WERE NEEDED TO OUR STORMWATER COLLECTION SYSTEM THAT HAD AN IMPACT ON THEIR PROPERTY. 
          SO THIS IS, UH, TO RESOLVE THAT IN ITS ENTIRETY. 
          GREAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, DO WE NEED A MOMENT? YES, PLEASE. 
          I'LL MAKE IT UP AS I GO. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONTRIBUTION TOWARDS STORMWATER ABATEMENT ON VALLEY VIEW DRIVE. 
          DO WE HAVE A SPECIFIC ADDRESS OR NOT? IT'S THE BAR. 
          IT'S THE BARTOW HOME. 
          I'LL SECOND YOUR MOTION. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONTRIBUTION TOWARDS STORMWATER ABATEMENT ON VALLEY VIEW DRIVE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND 
          [SUPERVISORS COMMENTS]
NOW IT'S TIME FOR SUPERVISOR COMMENTS. 
          I, I HAD A COMMENT, AND I KNOW I KEEP BRINGING THIS UP, AND THE LAST TIME I ASKED BRIAN, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THE PICKING UP THE TRASH WAS NOW DEFUNCT FROM THE STATE. 
          I, I GUESS I JUST WONDER WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO, JUST BECAUSE, JUST IT'S JUST LOOKING SO OUT THERE, ALL THE ROADWAYS AND JUST LEAVE IT. 
          OR IS THERE ANOTHER PROGRAM? COULD WE, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER PROGRAMS. IF ANYBODY IS, PLEASE BRING IT TO MY ATTENTION. 
          UM, THE SUGGESTION, SORRY, I'M SORRY NOT TO INTERRUPT, BUT I AM, UH, WHAT ABOUT ADOPT A HIGHWAY? DOESN'T THAT PROGRAM STILL EXIST? YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT'S A PROGRAM THAT I HAD SUGGESTED IN THE PAST THAT OUR EAC DO SOMETHING SIMILAR, UM, OR TO, UM, COORDINATE PERHAPS WITH A PER PROCUREMENT WATERSHED THAT DOES A HUGE CLEANUP ANNUALLY AROUND EARTH DAY. 
          UM, THOSE WOULD BE TWO POSSIBILITIES. 
          I KNOW THE COUNTY IS NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF SENDING OUT, UH, TEAMS FROM THE PRISON ANY LONGER TO PICK TRASH ROADSIDE. 
          IT'S REALLY LOOKING BAD DRIVE AROUND THE TOWNSHIP. 
          SO DO, DO WE, DOES THE STATE NOT PUT OUT NO LITTERING SIGNS ANY LONGER? I DON'T SEE THEM ANYWHERE. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DO OR NOT. 
          UH, I DO. 
          WE, I THINK JOHN, I THINK YOU CAN PUT UP A HUNDRED SIGNS AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA TOSS IT OUT THE WINDOW ARE STILL, I, I GET IT. 
          WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          I GET IT. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU CAN JUST THROW YOUR CRAP OUT NO MATTER WHAT ANYWAY. 
          BUT, UM, CHIEF, DO WE EVER FIND ANYBODY FOR LITTERING? UH, I THINK MOST PEOPLE ARE SMART ENOUGH NOT TO DO IT WHILE THE POLICE ARE RIGHT BEHIND THEM. 
          . 
          UH, SO IT, IT IS VERY RARE, BUT IT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST, BUT IT'S EXTREMELY RARE. 
          ISN'T MOST OF IT FROM UNTIED LOADS FOR, THAT'S ALWAYS ON 4 22. 
          IF YOU MEAN 
          [01:30:01]
NOT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE LOADS WEREN'T FULLY TIED DOWN AND IT WAS BLOWING OUT OF THE TRUCKS, WAS HEADING TO THE LANDFILL WAS ALWAYS WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS THE BULK OF IT 4, 4 22 IS A CRAP SHOW. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY SOMETHING ELSE, BUT IT WAS A CRAP SHOW. 
          I, I WAS GRINDING DOWN 4 22, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. 
          WE WERE BEHIND, AND I DON'T MIND SAYING THIS. 
          WE, WE WERE BEHIND A TRASH TRUCK. 
          UM, I WON'T MENTION ANY TRASH TRUCK NAME, BUT, UH, OUT OF THE BACK OF IT IS FLYING THIS STUFF AND IT'S GOING ALL OVER THE ROAD. 
          SO MY SIGNIFICANT OTHER GALE, I SAID TO HER, I SAID, WE NEED TO CALL SOMEBODY ABOUT THIS. 
          SO WE CALLED THE TRASH COMPANY, UM, WHO THE TRASH TRUCK WAS BELONGED TO, AND UH, THEY SAID THAT THEY WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT. 
          AND I LOOKED OVER AT GAIL AND I GO, WELL, WHAT DO YOU THINK? SHE SAYS, , I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA DO A DAMN THING ABOUT IT, , YOU KNOW, BUT WE, BUT WE SAW IT AND WE, WE COMMENTED ABOUT IT, AND IT'S LIKE, AND I THINK IF EVERYBODY STARTS COMMENTING THE, THE, THE, THESE TRASH COMPANIES, MAYBE THEY GET A LITTLE BIT TIGHTER WITH THAT TARP ON IT BACK OF THOSE TRUCKS. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          IT TRASH IN TRASH AROUND HERE IS NOT REAL, REAL BAD, BUT IN SOME STREETS IN THE TOWNSHIP IT'S BAD. 
          UM, BUT 4 22 IS A REAL MESS. 
          AND, AND DO, DO WE, CAN WE CONTACT THE STATE ABOUT IT? I MEAN, THEY SHOULD THEY BE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT. 
          IT'S TERRIBLE. 
          I KNOW THAT TOM HAS A, TOM BROADWELL HAS A GREAT CONTACT AT PENDOT THAT WE'VE, UH, CALLED UPON WHEN WE NEEDED ACTION ON SOMETHING. 
          WE CAN GIVE IT A TRY. 
          YEAH. 
          MAYBE WE SHOULD CALL ACTION NEWS OR SOMEBODY LIKE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          GET THEM INVOLVED. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          AND THERE'S CERTAIN ROADS IN THE TOWNSHIP LIKE YEAGER WHEN YOU'RE HEADING TOWARDS LEWIS TOWARDS THE HIGH SCHOOL. 
          THAT'S REALLY TRASHED. 
          AND I GUESS CUZ IT BORDERS UP AGAINST 4 22. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          IT'S JUST, YEAH, 4 22 CONTRIBUTES TREMENDOUSLY TO THE PROBLEM. 
          UM, AS DO SOME OF THE SHOPPING CENTERS, I'M, UH, UH, OFTEN BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION RIDGE PIKE AT, UM, KLEIN ROAD. 
          IT'S BAGS OF PLASTIC BLOWN OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE SHOPPING CENTER AND, AND, AND, AND SOME OF THE BACK ROADS GET IT BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE KIDS GO TO GET RID OF THEIR, SOMEBODY'S A BIG MILLER DRINKER DOWN THERE OFF OF  HOLLOW ROAD. 
          I, I HAVE, I HAVE, I HAVE ARE YOU DONE WITH YOUR YEAH, I HAVE A COMMENT. 
          I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY AGAIN, AND I WILL REMIND THEM UNTIL THIS EVENT HAPPENS, THAT, UH, THE WALL THAT HEALS IS COMING TO UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP IN OCTOBER. 
          AND ALL YOU NEED TO DO TO FIND ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THIS IS TO GO TO OUR WEBSITE AND YOU CAN CLICK ON A BUTTON. 
          IT'LL TAKE YOU OVER THERE. 
          THERE'S OPTIONS IN THERE ALSO TO VOLUNTEER. 
          WE NEED ROUGHLY 200 VOLUNTEERS FOR THIS. 
          UM, UH, WE'D APPRECIATE ANYBODY THAT STEPS FORWARD AND VOLUNTEERS, PLEASE GO TO THE WEBSITE. 
          ALSO, IF YOU WANT TO CONTRIBUTE ANY MONEY TOWARDS THIS PROJECT, THE TOWNSHIP IS NOT FUNDING THIS WHOLE PROJECT. 
          SO, UM, WE ARE LOOKING FOR DONATIONS ALSO. 
          UM, PLEASE SIGN UP. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I I EXPECT TO SEE EVERYONE OF YOU VOLUNTEER ON THIS THING. 
          I TOLD YOU I WOULD. 
          YOU, YOU WHAT? I SAID I TOLD YOU I WOULD. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, GO AHEAD. 
          I'LL JUST MAKE ONE QUICK COMMENT. 
          UM, IT'S ABOUT PARKHOUSE. 
          I JUST WANT TO EXTEND A THANK YOU TO THE TONE AND THE CHANGE IN WHICH WAY, THE INTERACTION BETWEEN THE RESIDENTS AND THE BOARD AND THE WAY THAT IT'S UNFOLDING. 
          HOPEFULLY I DON'T GET MYSELF IN TROUBLE HERE, JOE. 
          I, I, AT TIMES IT CAN FEEL AS THOUGH YOU'RE UNDER ATTACK UP HERE AT TIMES. 
          AND, AND I JUST WANT TO EXTEND A, A THOUGHT OF APPRECIATION TO THE PROFESSIONALISM AND THE KINDNESS AND THE THOUGHTFULNESS THAT'S GOING INTO EXCHANGE OF SOMETHING THAT'S VERY BIG IN OUR TOWNSHIP. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          IT'S NOTED. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MY FINAL COMMENT WILL BE THE SAME AS IT'S BEEN FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS. 
          PLEASE STOP YOUR VEHICLE FOR SCHOOL BUSES THAT HAVE THE LIGHTS FLASHING. 
          AND I'LL ADD, DON'T THROW YOUR LETTER OUT THE WINDOWS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SPEAKING OF THAT, SPEAKING OF THAT, DO, DO WE HAVE ANY NEW NUMBERS? UM, CHIEF ON THE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE ONE NUMBER WHERE IT WAS LIKE 162 VIOLATIONS IN TWO MONTHS, AND I'VE JUST WONDERED WHAT CURRENT NUMBERS ARE. 
          I BELIEVE SINCE JANUARY, I THINK WE ARE AROUND THE VICINITY OF 75 TO 80. 
          SO THAT BILL JUST SAID, IS THAT PER MONTH OR IS THAT TOTAL FROM JANUARY? UM, I BELIEVE IT'S FROM JANUARY TO, TO PRESENT, BUT I CAN GET YOU A MORE SPECIFIC. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO THAT'S A GOOD REDUCTION FROM THE 162 IN THE PREVIOUS TWO MONTH PERIOD. 
          THE 
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MESSAGE IS OUT . 
          YES. 
          GOOD TO HEAR. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I'LL, UH, REVIEW 
          [UPCOMING EVENTS]
THE UPCOMING EVENTS REAL QUICKLY. 
          UH, OUR NEXT TWO BOARD OF SUPERVISOR MEETINGS ARE APRIL 17TH, 7:00 PM RIGHT HERE AND MAY 15TH, 7:00 PM RIGHT HERE. 
          UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SCHEDULE, UH, APRIL 5TH, 7:00 PM UH, AGENDA ITEMS ARE TO BE DETERMINED. 
          AND APRIL 19TH, ALSO AT 7:00 PM TO BE DETERMINED. 
          ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL MEETING MEETS, UH, MAY 17TH AT 6:00 PM HERE. 
          PARKS AND RECREATION COMMITTEE MEETS, UH, APRIL 12TH AT 6:00 PM HERE. 
          MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY MEETING SCHEDULE APRIL 6TH, 7:00 PM HERE. 
          AND THE ZONING HEARING BOARD, UH, HAS NO PENDING APPLICATIONS OR MEETINGS SCHEDULED AT THIS TIME. 
          AND WITH THAT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          I'LL MAKE THE MOTION I SECOND THAT WE'RE ADJOURNED.
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