[CALL TO ORDER]
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AND, UM, UM, WE GONNA DO WHAT WE SEE, APPROVE THE AGENDA FROM OUR LAST MEETING, WHICH IS ATTACHED HERE.
AND EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO READ THROUGH IT, I HOPE.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
AND, UH, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY COMMENTS OR ANY CHANGES? IF NOT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM JANUARY 18TH.ALL RIGHT, KELLY, WE GOT A SECOND READ, MADE A SECOND.
SO WE'LL LOOK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE'LL PASS THAT ONE.
[APPROVE AGENDA]
I DID OUT OF ORDER, APPROVE THE AGENDA.DO YOU GUYS SEE THE AGENDA HERE? IT'S, UH, WE GOT MR. SCHNOOK HERE TONIGHT.
HE'S GONNA HELP US FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I KNOW THAT BILL, YOU'VE TALKED A COUPLE, MAYBE YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE PEOPLE YOU'VE TALKED TO.
UM, SO, AND YOU SAY SARAH'S NOT HERE.
SO WE, ARE WE GONNA, IS THERE ANYTHING TO TALK ABOUT THAT OR IS THAT NO, NO.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S JUST AGENDA ITEMS. WELL DO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, UM, IF YOU CHOOSE TO APPROVE THEM, AND THEN FROM THE JANUARY MEETING, AND THEN,
[2. Discussion: Grass to Meadow Seminar planning update]
UH, I THINK BILL JUST NEEDS TO BRING US UP TO DATE ON WHERE HE IS WITH THE, THE GRASS AND MEADOWS GRASS.WHY DON'T YOU, WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT BILL? SURE.
SO, UH, THE LAST MEETING, I, BUT SHE WAS VERY HELPFUL IN, YOU KNOW, ORGANIZING AROUND, UH, HOW WE MIGHT, YOU KNOW, WHEN OR WHEN WE DO THIS, HOW WE'RE GONNA PROCEED AND REGISTRATION AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
UH, BUT WHERE WE'VE LEFT IT FROM OUR LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS FRIDAY A WEEK AGO, UH, I'VE CHECKED BACK WITH THE COLONIAL THEATER.
WE JUST HAVEN'T RAISED ENOUGH FUNDS FOR HIM TO COME AND
UH, SO I CHECK WITH THE COLONIAL THEATER.
CAN THEY DO A VIRTUAL PRESENTATION AND THEY CAN, THEY HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY.
I CHECKED WITH FRENCH AND PICKERING TRUST, WHO IS OUR PRIMARY SPONSOR AT THIS POINT.
UH, AND IF IT'S NOT GONNA BE LIVE PRESENTATION, THEY'RE REDUCING THEIR PLEDGE.
SO TOMORROW I'M MEETING WITH, UH, REPRESENTATIVES FROM FRENCH AND PICKERING TRUST, AND THEN WE'LL NAIL DOWN, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE NEVER MET WITH THEM YET, EXCEPT THROUGH EMAILS AND THEIR, AND THEIR PLEDGE TO CONTRIBUTE MONEY.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'LL TAKE EVERYTHING THAT SARAH AND I HAVE DISCUSSED AND DISCUSS THINGS WITH THEM, AND I'LL PROBABLY JUST REPORT BACK TO SARAH AND SEE HOW EVERYTHING, SO, SO WE'VE GOT THE TWO 50 OR 500 DEPENDING ON WHAT THE FRIENDSHIP PICK OR ANY TRUST WANTS TO DO, I GUESS.
BUT DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER MONEY RAISED, OR HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE RAISE MORE MONEY? WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S THE QUESTION.
I MEAN, WE REALLY PROBABLY DON'T HAVE TO RAISE ANY MORE MONEY IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE IT BE A VIRTUAL EVENT.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T STILL STRIVE TO RAISE ADDITIONAL FUNDS.
WELL, HOW MUCH IS, IF WE HAVE A VIRTUAL, WHAT'S IT COST? VIRTUAL IS $500.
AND THEN A COLONIAL THEATER WANTS $200 FOR PROVIDING SOMEBODY TO HANDLE, BUT THE SPEAKER ONLY CHARGES $500 IF WE DO IT VIRTUALLY.
AND HE IS, HE IS ONLY TRAVELING FROM SOUTHERN CHESTER COUNTIES, YOU KNOW, BUT I GUESS IT'S TIME.
AND JUST A FUNNY STORY, WHEN AFTER OUR LAST MEETING, I WENT HOME AND TOLD MY WIFE, I SAID, BECAUSE WE GOT A BIG BACK.
AND I SAID, HEY, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO TURN THAT INTO A MEADOW? SHE THOUGHT I WAS NUTS.
AND IT'S JUST BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T KNOW, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
I SAID, ALL THESE WILD FLOWERS AND, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL HELP US FIGURE OUT WHAT GOES BACK.
SHE SAYS, WHY? AND I SAID, WELL, IT'S GOOD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.
AND I, SHE JUST, YOU KNOW, I JUST WONDER HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE LIKE THAT THAT JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND.
WELL, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE WHOLE THING, YOU KNOW? AND, UH, THROUGH THE FRUSTRATION OF NOT BEING ABLE TO RAISE THE FUNDS, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT I'M SAYING, WHAT DID I GET MYSELF INTO HERE? AND I WENT ONTO A, UH, IT WAS CALLED GREENING SACRED SPACES, GONE BY THE QUAKER MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO.
AND I GOT, I WANTED TO SEE IT BECAUSE I'M CHURCH.
I'M INVOLVED WITH THE PROVIDENCE CHURCH OF THE BRETHREN.
WE HAVE A PRETTY BIG CEMETERY.
AND THEN I'M ON SOMETHING CALLED THE GERMANTOWN TRUST.
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AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT OF RESOURCES TO TAKE CARE OF A CEMETERY.PLUS WE HAVE, WHEN THEY DEVELOP THE, THE NEW HIGH SCHOOL OUT THERE AT RITTENHOUSE IN TOWNSHIP LINE ROAD, WE ACQUIRED TWO ACRES OF LAND THAT JUST BECAME ADDITIONAL LAWN DEMO MOW.
SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY EVEN THERE.
SO I WANTED TO SEE WHAT, WHAT, WELL, WAS IT GOOD FOR CEMETERIES? I MEAN, IS IT SOMETHING THAT CEMETERIES COULD, THAT'S WHAT I'M FINDING OUT.
IT'S, IT'S A THREE PART, UH, SEMINAR THEY'RE HAVING.
AND THEY DIDN'T REALLY HIT ON THE CEMETERIES DURING THOSE FIRST TWO.
BUT COINCIDENTALLY, I RENT A HOUSE TO SOMEBODY IN PHOENIXVILLE WHO WORKS FOR, UM, UH, SWATHMORE COLLEGE.
BEFORE THAT SHE WORKED AT LAUREL HILL CEMETERY, AND THEY TURNED A PORTION OF THEIR CEMETERY INTO ALL MEADOW.
SO I, I MADE, I MADE THAT CONNECTION.
SO YEAH, MOVING FORWARD, I, I'M HOPING THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY, SOMETHING UP HERE AT THE PROVIDENCE CHURCH.
I THOUGHT ALSO THAT JEFF, WE WERE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE, THE PROPERTIES THAT THE TOWNSHIP HOLDS, A COUPLE OF THE FARMS IN PARTICULAR.
ONE OF THEM, UM, WHERE WE'RE, WHERE THE BARN'S FALLING DOWN DID LOOK AT THAT.
THERE'S JUST SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT HAVING A NATURAL TRAILS PLAN AROUND THE TA.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TAYLOR FARM.
THAT'S AT, AT LINFIELD TRAP AND TOWNSHIP LINE.
I WALKED, I WALKED THE WHOLE PROPERTY.
THE PARKS DEPARTMENT DOES HAVE A PLAN, UM, IN PLACE TO DO SOME NATURALIZED TRAILS AND SOME METAL RESTORATION IN THROUGH THERE.
UM, RIGHT NOW, FROM A LAND DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, THE, THE DIRT THAT WE'RE GONNA BE TAKING FROM, UM, THE FOLEY PROPERTY, THERE'S A LOT OF DIRT, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE.
THERE'S A LOT OF DIRT ON ONE SIDE, NOT MUCH ON THE OTHER.
TO BALANCE OUT THE SITE THEY NEED, THEY TOLL BROTHERS NEEDS TO GET RID OF A LOT OF DIRT WHEN WE'RE NOT GONNA LET THEM JUST GIVE THAT AWAY.
THEY'RE GONNA BRING THAT TO THIS SITE, SORT OF RENATURALIZE AN AREA THAT WE COULD PUT A PARKING LOT AND SOME METAL RESTORATION.
THEY DON'T, I I THINK THEY STOPPED.
UM, AND THEY'RE GONNA SLOWLY, LIKE I, I THINK THE PARKS DEPARTMENT IS, IS LOOKING AT WHAT THEY CAN, THEY HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY THIS YEAR, WHAT THEY CAN DO FOR THAT.
AND THEN SORT OF TRY TO DO BITS AND PIECES AS, AS THE TIME GOES ON.
CUZ TO DO THE WHOLE THING WOULD BE A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS.
AND WE CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE THAT BUDGET, BUT, UM, TO LOOK AT WHAT THEY CAN DO IN TERMS OF TRAILS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT MY OBSERVATION WITH IT WAS, UM, IT BEING, IT WAS AN ACTIVE FARM.
IT WAS A DAIRY, A LARGE DAIRY FARM, BUT IT HAS THAT CONTOUR AND A STREAM AND EVERYTHING THAT'S, UM, LOOKING AT IT, THE REASON I WAS BRINGING IT UP WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT ANYTHING THAT'S AN INVASIVE IS RETURNED TO BEING SOMETHING THAT'S NATURAL TO THIS AREA.
AND ALSO TO HELP IN THE WETLAND AREA.
IT, IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF AN AREA, WHERE'S THAT LITFIELD TRAFFIC WHERE TOWNSHIP LINE, YOU KNOW WHERE THE Y IS MM-HMM.
SO THAT'S PROBABLY THE HEADWATERS, THE, OF THE MINGO CREEK THAT IT DOWN THAT WHERE TOWNSHIP BLIND ROAD DIPS DOWN.
I I THINK THE TRIBUTARY STARTS THERE.
I THINK MINGO GOES INTO LIMERICK A LITTLE BIT.
AND I THINK WHAT'S THERE, AGAIN, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE MAP, BUT I THINK THERE'S A, I THINK THERE'S A TRIBUTARY OF THE MINGO IN THERE, RIGHT? YEAH.
WELL, LEMME ASK YOU THIS, JEFF, SINCE WE ARE AN ADVISORY TO THE, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, WHAT IF WE, MAYBE WE HAVE TO GET A LITTLE MORE EDUCATION ON THIS META THING, BUT WHAT IF WE AS A COMMITTEE OR AS A BOARD, UH, RECOMMENDED TO THIS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT ALL NON, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC LANDS THAT AREN'T BEING USED FOR BASKETBALL COURTS OR WHATEVER, WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU TURN 'EM INTO MEADS MM-HMM.
AND THEN WITH THAT, MAYBE THEY WOULD FUND THE SEMINAR WHERE WE COULD HAVE A SEMINAR WHERE WE WOULD INVITE ALL PERTINENT PARTIES PLUS ANY TOWNSHIP FOLKS THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING THAT.
SO, SO WHAT I WAS STARTING TO SAY WITH THAT, UH, READING SACRED SPACES, IT WAS A ZOOM PRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, AND I GOT HOME AND HAVE, WAS LAST MINUTE.
I'M LOOKING FOR THE ZOOM ADDRESS.
I, ANYWAY, I GET ONTO THE ZOOM CALL AND IT WAS ALREADY IN PROGRESS.
AND WHO WAS SPEAKING? DOUG TMI.
AND SO I'M LISTENING TO THE END OF WHAT HE, HIS PRESENTATION AND IT THOUGHT, I'M LIKE, YEAH, I GOT, WE GOTTA GET DOUG TMI TO SPEAK TO, YOU KNOW, OUR GROUP AND, AND YOU KNOW, TO THE PUBLIC IN, IN GENERAL TO UNDERSTAND.
CUZ HE REALLY KIND OF PLANTS THE SEED.
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AND ABOUT WHAT THE NATIVE SPECIES, WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT, THE BIODIVERSITY.AND THEN AS A FOLLOW UP, YEAH, I THINK WE CAN HAVE SOME WORKSHOPS.
AND I, LIKE I SAID, I HAD ATTENDED ONE DOWN IN, UH, CHRISTINA WATERSHED ASSOCIATION HAD A WORKSHOP, COINCIDENTALLY THE SAME WEEK THAT I HAD SEEN DOUG TK.
AND, UH, THEY HAD R THERE HAD ENVIRONMENT THERE AND, UH, HAD A LANDSCAPER WHO SPECIALIZES IN CONVERTING OR PLANTING NEW MEADOWS.
SO, YEAH, I, WELL, I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S OUR RULE.
YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR TITLE TELLS US WE'RE A, UH, UH, AN ADVISORY TO THE SUPER BOARD SUPERVISOR.
MAYBE WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A MOTION OR AN ADVISORY STATEMENT THAT SAYS, WE RECOMMEND MAYBE WE HAVE TO LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE YET MAYBE WE'RE NOT READY.
BUT I'M THINKING IF WE, IF WE GET THE SUPERVISORS, GIVE THEM A, A, A, UH, ADVISORY RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY WOULD GIVE US SOME FUNDING TO, TO CARRY ON THE EDUCATION PROCESS.
UM, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S VALUABLE.
I, I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS, UM, ONLY BECAUSE FROM THE WAY THE ADMINISTRATION WORKS TO, THERE'S A CERTAIN POOL OF MONEY THAT WE CAN SORT OF PUT TOWARDS SOMETHING IF WE WANNA PUT IT TOWARDS SOMETHING.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, I MEAN, IT'S SORT OF LIKE A SLUSH FUND, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.
WE COULD USE THAT FOR SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO THIS YEAR.
UM, IF, IF, BUT I HIGHLY RECOMMEND TO THE, TO THE EAC THAT, THAT THEY LOOK AT PUTTING TOGETHER A LIST FOR TOWARDS THE SUMMER.
YOU KNOW, WE'LL GO THROUGH A COUPLE MORE EDUCATION SESSIONS LIKE THIS AND PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF THINGS THAT THEY WANNA LOOK AT FOR NEXT YEAR.
WE'LL PUT TOGETHER A MEMO TO THE BOARD SAYING WE'D LIKE TO HAVE X NUMBER OF DOLLARS SO THAT WE CAN FUND SOME PROJECTS, FUND SOME SEMINARS, FUND SOME, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE GETTING OUT AND PICKING UP TRASH OR PUTTING UP SIGNS ON CREEKS, WHATEVER.
WHATEVER IT IS WE FIND WE WANT TO DO THAT, WE PUT IT TOGETHER IN A MEMO SO THAT WHEN THE BUDGET COMES AROUND NEXT YEAR, WE HAVE A FORMAL APPLICATION FOR OKAY.
SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU THINK WE SHOULD HAVE MORE THAN ONE TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD? I, I, I THINK IT'S VALUABLE TO DO IT THAT WAY.
I, I THINK IT'S HOW MANY, HOW MANY DO YOU THINK IS, IS DOABLE? WELL, IT IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE COST OF, OF THEM.
I MEAN, I, I DON'T THINK THE BOARD'S GONNA GIVE YOU A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO NO, I, I WOULD
YOU KNOW, I THINK IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A LIST OF POTENTIAL PROJECTS, MAYBE 10, 12 PROJECTS, JUST SAY, AND JUST SAY, LOOK, IF YOU CAN GIVE US, WE CAN DESCRIBE, WE CAN WORK ON A NUMBER, YOU KNOW, FIVE, $7,000 IN THE BUDGET TO WORK TOWARDS THIS AND ALLOCATE US THAT MONEY.
WE'LL INVESTIGATE WHAT PROJECTS WE CAN DO FROM A COST VALUE STANDPOINT TO BRING IN THE MOST BANG FOR THE BUCK.
SO IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT THIS WOULD BE ONE, THIS COULD BE OUR FIRST ONE THAT WE WANNA PUT ON THIS LIST? I, I THINK, I THINK MR. FELTON WANTS TO GET MR. TALLAMY IN AND TALKING SOONER THAN THAT.
NOW, IF WE, IF WE LIKE WHAT HE HAD, IF, IF WE GET THAT ORGANIZED OVER THE COLONIAL AND WE THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA BRING TO THE HOAS AND TO, TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND DO IT HERE, MAYBE WE TRY TO DO THAT AGAIN AT THE END OF THIS, TOWARDS THE END OF THIS YEAR OR THE BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR.
AND WE TALK ABOUT FUNDING AT THAT POINT, AND WE DO IT HERE AS, SO IT'S A PURELY TOWNSHIP EVENT AS OPPOSED TO, AND WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS.
IT'S A GREAT PROJECT AND IT'S A GREAT SEMINAR, BUT IT GETS A LITTLE BIT BIG WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO DO IT REGIONAL.
AND I, I DON'T, BILL'S GREAT FOR DOING IT IN A MORE REGIONAL MANNER, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT FROM A TOWNSHIP STANDPOINT, WE WANNA DO SOMETHING.
WE'D RATHER DO SOMETHING HERE.
I THINK GOING TO THIS EVENT, YOU'RE IN THIS, IN THIS ROOM, IN THIS, IN THIS BUILDING.
BUT I THINK USING TOWNSHIP RESOURCES TO PROMOTE IT, TO, TO GET IT OUT TO THE HOAS, THINGS LIKE THAT FOR THIS FIRST ROUND IS GREAT.
IF WE GET A GOOD RECEPTION AND IT'S SOMETHING WE THINK WE WANNA DO, LET'S TRY AGAIN AND HAVE ANOTHER ONE.
AND, AND I THINK MR. SNOOK WILL TALK HERE.
HE'S GOT A COUPLE DIFFERENT PRESENTATIONS HE CAN GET TOO.
IF, IF, IF IT'S VALUABLE, WE CAN HAVE MR. SNOOK BACK IF HE'S WILLING TO COME.
SO THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS WE CAN DO.
I'D RATHER RIGHT NOW JUST SORT OF KEEP IT AND EDUCATE YOU AND THEN LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW WE EDUCATE EVERYBODY ELSE.
BUT AT SOME POINT WE'VE GOT TO, YOU KNOW, PUT TALK ABOUT SOMETHING AND, AND DO SOMETHING.
AND, AND, AND BILL IS DOING THAT RIGHT NOW.
I KNOW HE IS, BUT I DON'T WANT, I HATE TO SEE HIM DO IT BY HIMSELF.
WELL, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE MR. SNOOK HERE, BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND.
WE'RE HOPING THAT HE GIVES US A GOOD SENSE OF WHAT HAPPENED.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS WHAT AN EAC DOES, WHAT THEY'VE DONE BEFORE, WHAT OTHER EACS DO.
WELL, LET'S, UH, YOU GOT ANYTHING ELSE, BILL, RIGHT NOW? NO, I THINK, ALL RIGHT, WELL, LET'S GET TO MR. SNOOK
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THEN.LET'S, LET'S HEAR WHAT HE HAS STATEMENT.
[3. EAC Discussion with Mr. William Ross Snook, Chair New Hanover EAC and Vice Chair of the New Hanover Board of Supervisors]
PL WE'RE PLEASED TO HAVE A GUEST TONIGHT.THEY, WE GOT MR. UH, WILLIAM ROSS SNOOK.
HE'S THE CHAIR, UH, OF THE NEW HANOVER EAC AND A VICE CHAIR OF THEIR, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
SO, UH, THAT'S A VERY GROWING COMMUNITY.
UH, A LOT OF, LOT OF DEVELOPMENT GOING ON UP THERE.
SO WHY DON'T WE HEAR WHAT MR. WHAT MR. SNOOK HAS TO SAY.
WELL, MR. STEWART, BEFORE YOU START, LET ME JUST SAY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE NEW, WE'RE NEW AT THIS, THIS YEAR'S REALLY OUR FIRST, WE HAD A COUPLE MEETINGS LAST YEAR, END OF LAST YEAR.
WE KIND OF JUST GOT ORGANIZED.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHAT TO TACKLE, HOW TO TACKLE IT.
AND SO ANY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, EDUCATION FROM YOU THAT'S BEEN DOING THIS WOULD BE HELPFUL.
UH, I HAVE BEEN A SUPERVISOR FOR SIX YEARS.
UH, I HAVE ALSO BEEN CHAIR OF THE EAB FOR SIX YEARS.
UH, I AM A PENN STATE GRADUATE, 79 IN EARTH SCIENCE.
UH, SO I HAVE A BROAD SPECTRUM OF KNOWLEDGE IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL FIELD.
UH, MY FORTE WAS PETROLEUM, UH, GEOLOGY, UH, AND A LOVE OF THE OUTDOORS, UH, AS THE EAB B UH, THE FIRST THING, WHICH I THANK YOU GENTLEMEN AND LADY, UH, HAVE, UH, A FIRM GRASP ON IS TO REMEMBER THAT YOU'RE FIRST OF ALL AN ADVISORY BOARD, UH, AND, UH, SOLELY AN ADVISORY BOARD.
AND THE REASON I, UH, EMPHASIZE THAT IS I GET EMPHASIZED THAT ALL THE TIME.
CAUSE, UH, I LIKE TO DO THINGS, PUT THINGS TOGETHER.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING THIS EVENING.
AND THAT'S THE FIRST GOAL, IS TO HAVE THAT IMPETUS AND THAT DESIRE TO HELP THE ENVIRONMENT AND HELP YOUR TOWNSHIP.
UH, WE, UH, AREAS OF IMPORTANCE THAT WE LOOK AT, WE TRY AND LOOK AT THE TOTAL PICTURE.
SO WE LOOK AT OUR SOILS, WE LOOK AT OUR HYDROLOGY, OUR DRINKING WATER RESOURCES, WHICH YOU CAN CONTACT THE D R B C, THE DELAWARE RIVER BASIN COMMISSION.
THEY CAN GIVE YOU ALL OF YOUR WELL DATA FOR DRINKING WATER.
UH, WE LOOK AT HOW MANY PEOPLE IN OUR TOWNSHIP HAVE WELLS, HOW THEY'RE AFFECTED BY AQUA, HOW THE RECHARGE IS, HOW THE INFILTRATION IS IN YOUR GROUNDS.
THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT YOUR SOILS, LEARN WHAT THEY'RE ALL ABOUT.
UH, AND WE LOOK AT THE AQUIFER RECHARGE.
HOW MUCH STORM WATER, HOW MUCH IMPERVIOUS, UH, UH, AREAS DO YOU HAVE? UH, DO YOU HAVE GOOD RECHARGE? UH, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT.
UH, FOR INSTANCE, OUR TOWNSHIP, WE'RE MAXED OUT ON DRINKING WATER.
WE CAN'T EVEN APPROVE ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT.
AND OUR DRINKING, UH, WATER WELLS ARE ACTUALLY BEING OVERPRODUCED.
AQUA TELLS US THEY WON'T HAVE ANY MORE WATER FOR US UNTIL PROBABLY 2030.
AND YET WE HAVE 4,000 HOMES IN THE PIPELINE TO BUILD.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPERS, UH, CHOMPING AT THE BIT.
SO WHAT HAPPENS THERE, MR. SNOW? THEY, THEY PUT DEVELOP ON A HOLD.
WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS WE CANNOT APPROVE A DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT WATER, WITHOUT A FISHING WATER.
SO, UH, IS, ARE, IS YOUR WATER SUPPLIED BY AQUA PA OR FOR DRINKING WATER? IT IS, YES.
AND DO THEY DRAW IT FROM YOUR AQUIFER SOMEWHERE? YES.
WE HAVE NINE WELLS IN OUR TOWNSHIP THAT ARE ALL SERVING A AQUA PA YES.
PLUS YOU HAVE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE WELLS THEMSELVES.
HALF OF OUR RESIDENTS HAVE THEIR PRIVATE WELLS.
AND I WOULD SAY 60 TO 70% OF THOSE ARE WHAT I WOULD CALL A SURFACE.
WELL, THEY'RE ONLY 40 FEET DEEP.
SO, UH, AND, BUT OUR GROUNDWATER NORMALLY IS A FOOT TO A FOOT AND A HALF BELOW THE SURFACE.
SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY CONSCIOUS OF HOW THEY WANT TO COME IN AND BUILD
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ALSO.SO WHEN AQUA TELLS YOU THAT THEY WON'T HAVE ANY MORE WATER FOR YOU TILL 2030, WHERE DOES THAT COME FROM? ALL OF A SUDDEN IN 2030, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR NEW SOURCES, WHETHER THEY PIPE IT IN FROM OTHER NEIGHBORING AREAS, OR THEY DRILL ANOTHER WELL IN, UH, DEEPER AND HAVE A, UH, ANOTHER SOURCE.
SO, AND THAT'S ALWAYS A GOOD THING TO KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO EMPHASIZE TO YOU.
YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE TOTAL PICTURE FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECT, THE SOIL, THE GEOLOGY, UH, THE MAKEUP OF THE ROCKS UNDERNEATH YOU, WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE NEW BRUNSWICK FORMATION OR THE DATABASE, UH, WHICH IS IGNEOUS.
YOUR NEW BRUNSWICK IS A SEDIMENTARY ROCK.
AND, UH, IN BETWEEN YOU HAD HAVE YOUR METAMORPHIC WHERE THE IGNEOUS CAME UP AND THE HEAT, AND THAT CHANGED THE SEDIMENTARY ROCK INTO METAMORPHIC.
AND, UH, AS AN ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY BOARD, IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO HAVE THIS.
AND, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO AS AN ENVIRONMENTAL BOARD IS RE REVIEW EVERY PLAN SET.
AND WE DO THAT VERY SYSTEMATICALLY.
WE HAVE COME UP WITH A GENERIC FORM THAT HAS PROBABLY 20 QUESTIONS ON IT, BUT IT'S THE SAME 20 QUESTIONS EVERY TIME WE LOOK AT A PLANT SET.
IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT IS THE MORE SYSTEMATIC YOU CAN BECOME IN REVIEWING THINGS AND PUTTING THINGS TOGETHER, THE BETTER YOU WILL BE.
FOR INSTANCE, YOUR PROJECTS THAT YOU PUT TOGETHER HAVE A 10 STEP S O P I'M EX-MILITARY, SO EVERYTHING'S STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE TO ME.
SO WHAT WE WOULD DO IS, UH, LIKE FOR YOUR MEADOW PROJECT, THE FIRST THING YOU WOULD DO IS, UH, COME UP WITH AN AREA.
SECOND THING, WHAT TYPE OF SEED ARE YOU GOING TO USE? THIRD THING, WHAT KIND OF EQUIPMENT ARE YOU GOING TO USE TO DO THAT? FOURTH THING, WHERE ARE WE GONNA GET THE FUNDING? SO YOU SEE, YOU HAVE A REGIMENTED SET OF STEPS THAT YOU ALWAYS FOLLOW.
AND BY DOING THAT, YOU DON'T MISS THE LITTLE STEPS AND SAY, OH, S**T, I FORGOT TO DO THAT.
SO INSTEAD OF REINVENTING THE WHEEL, CAN WE STEAL ALL OF YOUR STUFF? I'M SORRY.
WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO SHARE ALL, UM, LIKE YOUR, YOUR SOPS AND SURE.
YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR 10 QUESTIONS AND, AND THAT KINDA STUFF? SURE.
WE'D BE, I'D BE, I BROUGHT, UH, TWO OF MY PRESENTATIONS WITH ME.
AND, UH, SARAH HAS THE PDF ON THAT.
WE COVER A LOT OF THAT IN THAT.
AND, UH, FOR INSTANCE, ON YOUR MEADOW PROJECT, I WOULD EXTEND TO YOU BRIAN VALINO FROM THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT, WITH FUNDING WITH EQUIPMENT.
AND HIS SERVICES ARE FREE OF CHARGE.
HE'S FROM THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY CONSERVATION.
I AM ALSO AN ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR AT THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
I AM ALSO A PENN STATE MASTER WATERSHED STEWARD, WHO CAN ALSO CONTACT THAT GROUP.
UH, THEY'RE OUT COLLEGEVILLE AND, UH, THEIR SERVICES ARE FREE OF CHARGE.
UH, NO, THAT'S, UH, THE PENN STATE MASTER WATERSHED STORY GROUP.
AND, UH, THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY COORDINATOR IS KATHLEEN CONNOLLY.
YOU, I DON'T KNOW THE PHONE NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
WHO'S SHE WITH AGAIN? I'M SORRY? WHO'S SHE WITH? PENN STATE MASTER WATERSHED STEWARDS.
KATHLEEN CONNELLY, CONNELLY UHHUH,
AND YOU ALSO HAVE PENN STATE'S MASTER GARDENERS FOR DIFFERENT VARIETIES OF PLANTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
ALL OF THEIR SERVICES ALSO ARE FREE.
AND THEY ALSO DO SOILS, EVALUATION PLANNINGS AND ALL.
AND THEY DO THAT FOR EVERYBODY.
EVEN RESIDENTIAL AND RESIDENTS EVERYWHERE.
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YOU COULD CALL, SEND THEM A SAMPLE AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL COME BACK AND TELL YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO FORTIFY YEAH.TO DO A CERTAIN TYPE OF PLANNING.
AND PENN STATE IS WHAT THEY TERM A LAND GRANT UNIVERSITY.
SO IT'S IN THEIR CHARTER THAT THEY HAVE TO GIVE BACK TO THE FARMERS AND THE RESIDENTS OF, OF PA AND IT'S ALL FREE OF CHARGE
SO IT'S, IT'S, UH, A VERY, VERY INTERESTING PROGRAM.
UH, I WOULD ALSO, UH, TELL YOU, UH, WE DO A LOT OF STORM WATER, UH, WORK.
WE GO OUT INVENTORY ALL THE BMPS IN YOUR, UH, IN THE TOWNSHIP.
UH, WE HAVE COME UP WITH A GENERIC INSPECTION FORM, UH, THAT WE USE CONSISTENTLY AND SYSTEMATICALLY.
SO WE LOOK AT OUR BASINS THE SAME WAY EVERY YEAR.
WE HAVE LOT LATIN LONGITUDES ON 'EM.
UH, THERE IS AN APP I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT.
AND THAT'S IN MY PRESENTATION THAT I'LL BE LEAVING FOR YOU.
YOU COULD GO IN YOUR IPHONE AND, UH, BUY THAT FOR $7.
AND WHAT IT ALLOWS YOU TO DO IS TO GO OUT IN THE FIELD, TAKE A PICTURE OF YOUR BMP, WHAT POPS UP IS YOUR LATIN LONGITUDE, UH, YOUR DISTANCE ABOVE SEA LEVEL.
AND, UH, IT'S AN INSTANT RECORDING.
YOU CAN TAKE AND DOWNLOAD THAT PICTURE.
THEN, UH, ALONG WITH YOUR INSPECTION SHEET TO A FILE, AND YOU HAVE AN, UH, AN AUTOMATIC RECORD OF THAT BM P AND THEN YOU SNOOP THAT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU INSPECT THOSE BNPS AND YOU FIND SOME ISSUES, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, I, YOU KNOW MM-HMM.
SOME ARE OWNED BY THE TOWNSHIP, BUT MOST ARE OWNED BY THE HOAS OR PRIVATE HOMEOWNERS.
BUT ALL STORMWATER SHOULD HAVE A STORMWATER EASEMENT THAT ALLOWS YOU TO GO IN AND INSPECT THEM PERIODICALLY, ACCORDING TO YOUR MS FOUR REQUIREMENTS.
SO IF YOU DO FIND FAULT AND YOU PRESENT THEM WITH SOME, HEY, YOU'VE GOT A PROBLEM WITH THIS BASIN, CAN YOU ENFORCE THAT, UM, TO FIX THAT THROUGH AN ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE? YES.
WE ACTUALLY HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS, JEFF, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
REMEMBER WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION ARE SUPPOSED TO BE TAKING CARE OF THOSE AREAS? YES.
DO WE HAVE, I I I, I HAD IN MY NOTES, I JUST DIDN'T FINISH IT.
DO WE HAVE THE, UM, AUTHORITY TO STEP IN AND CORRECT IT WITH TOWNSHIP WORK AND BUILD THE HOMEOWNER'S DECISION? YES.
GENERALLY, I, I CAN'T, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, SO I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK SPECIFICALLY.
NO, NO, I, I WAS JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE I NEVER, BUT GENERALLY, YES, WE, FOR ANY LAND DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEEN IN THE, AT LEAST IN THE LAST 20 YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, THEY'VE HAD TO SIGN A, A BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICE AGREEMENT.
UM, AND THAT INCLUDES EXPLAINING WHAT THEIR REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR MAINTENANCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IN TERMS OF THAT THEY MUST MAINTAIN IT, BUT ALSO THAT, THAT IF WE FIND, IF, IF THERE'S AN ISSUE AND WE COME IN AND FIX IT, THAT THEIR PROPERTY MAY BE LEANED TO, TO FIX THAT.
SO THAT, THAT'S BASICALLY THE EASEMENT AGREEMENT.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE SEEN GOING AROUND, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT SOME OF THE BASINS, WE DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB WITH THE DEVELOPERS RIGHT NOW IN MAKING SURE, UH, WHAT'S GOING IN, DONE AND WITH THE HOMEOWNER'S DECISION, IT'S WHO, WHO DOES THAT GOOD JOB? IT'S THE, IT'S THE, WELL, THE CONTRACTOR WHO'S DOING THE WORK AT THE DEVELOPER.
OH, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT, BUT HOW DO I MAINTAIN IT? NO, NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
IT'S, IT'S THE OLDER ONES THAT ARE PROBLEMATIC.
AND, AND LOOK, I, I THINK OUR ENGINEER WHO'S BEEN IN THIS TOWNSHIP FOR 30 YEARS OR SO NOW, HAS ALWAYS DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF PUTTING THE BEST STORMWATER CONTROLS OUT THERE THAT THEY AT THAT TIME CAN, AT, AT THAT TIME.
AND OF COURSE, IT'S A SCIENCE, SO IT ALWAYS CHANGES.
IT ALWAYS GETS A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
AND I AGREE, YOU'RE THE ISSUE IS HOW HAVE THEY BEEN MAINTAINED OR HAVE THEY BEEN MAINTAINED? RIGHT.
AND I, I KNOW, BILL, YOU HAD SAID SOMETHING AROUND TALKING TO TOM BEL, OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, HE'S IN THE PROCESS OF SORT OF CATEGORIZING THESE AND HAVING AT LEAST OUR ENGINEER GO OUT AND INSPECT
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OUR, UH, THE TOWNSHIP'S BASINS.WE DON'T HAVE VERY MANY OF 'EM COMPARED TO THE AMOUNT OF HOAS WE HAVE, BUT WE'VE ALL SORT OF TALKED INTERNALLY OF, WELL, HOW CAN WE TELL PEOPLE TO DO SOMETHING IF WE'RE NOT DOING THAT OURSELVES? SO THAT'S THE FIRST STEP.
AND I, AND WE TALKED TO TOM AT, AT BILL'S SUGGESTION, HE DOES WANNA COME IN AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHERE HE'S, WHAT HE DOES AND WHERE HE'S GOING WITH IT.
HE JUST NEEDS TO GET A LITTLE FARTHER ALONG IN THE PROCESS HIMSELF.
AND IF I MIGHT ADD, UH, THAT'S ONE OF MY FORTE IS, UH, UH, INSPECTING, UH, MAPPING, ASSESSING.
AND THEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE A WEBSITE THAT WE WORK ON SO THAT WE CAN ADD EVERY TOWNSHIP THAT WE HELP ONTO IT.
AND THAT'S FOR THE ENTIRE STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA.
AND I DO THAT THROUGH PENN STATE UNIVERSITY.
UH, AND I'VE HAD A GRANT FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS THAT GIVES ME MONEY IN THAT, TO DO THAT AND TRAVEL AND, UH, EDUCATE.
THAT'S THE MAIN THING I LIKE TO DO, IS SHARE THE KNOWLEDGE.
AND THE MORE, UH, I CAN SHARE AND TEACH, THE MORE, UH, UH, UNIFIED STORMWATER BECOMES, STORMWATER KNOWS NO BOUNDARIES.
AND AS YOU, I'M SURE ARE AWARE OF, UH, WATER IS VERY HARD TO CONTROL, AND IT HAS TO BE ENGINEERED BY MAN-MADE.
AND, UH, YOUR BEST TOOL IS YOUR VOLUME CONTROL V BMPS.
AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS YOUR LARGER DETENTION AND RETENTION BASINS, YOUR RAIN GARDENS ARE USED PRIMARILY FOR YOUR ROOF RUNOFF, YOUR ROOF LIT COMING DOWN, AND YOUR SMALL QUANTITIES OF WATER.
BUT YOUR LARGER BASINS ARE, UH, GREAT FOR VOLUME CONTROL.
AND MOST OF THEM HISTORICALLY ARE SET UP WITH EIGHT TO 12 TO 16 TO 20 INCH OPENINGS ON THEM, WHICH IS NOTHING MORE THAN A PASS THROUGH.
AND THIS IS THE WAY STORMWATER WAS CONTROLLED IN THE PAST.
UH, WE HAVE 45 BASINS IN NEW HANOVER.
THE OTHERS WHAT? I'M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN.
WE HAVE 45 STORMWATER BASINS IN OUR TOWNSHIP.
THOSE 45 ARE COLLECTING WATER FROM PEOPLE.
THE ONE THAT WORKS HAS A ONE INCH OPENING IN THE BOTTOM ORIFICE OF THE OVERFLOW STRUCTURE.
ALL THE OTHERS ARE GREATER THAN FOUR INCHES IN DIAMETER.
SUMMER ARE SIX, SUMMER ARE EIGHT, SUMMER ARE 12.
WE EVEN HAVE A COUPLE THAT HAVE THREE PIPES IN THEM THAT JUST GO STRAIGHT OUT.
SO, AND WHAT I MEAN BY A PASS THROUGH, THEN WHEN IT RAINS INCH AND A HALF, TWO INCHES OR BETTER, THE WATER COMES IN AND SIMPLY GOES OUT.
THERE'S NO RETENTION TIME AT ALL BECAUSE THE, CAUSE THE, THE SIZE OF THE OUTLET'S TOO BIG BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE OUTLET.
SO THAT ONE, THAT'S A NO WORKER.
THAT DOESN'T, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE.
NOW, TO RETROFIT THEM, ALL YOU HAVE TO SIMPLY DO IS TAKE THAT OPENING AND CHOKE IT DOWN.
AND THE BEST OPENING WE HAVE SEEN SO FAR IS AN INCH IN DIAMETER.
SO YOU WANT THE WATER TO SIT FOR A WHILE FOR THREE TO FIVE DAYS.
I WOULD'VE THOUGHT, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE, I WOULD'VE THOUGHT SHOOTING IT OUT WAS PROBABLY THE WAY THAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO DO.
BUT IT ALSO, IN READING, WHAT I'VE BEEN READING RECENTLY, BECAUSE OF BEING ON THIS, IS THAT IT BEST PRACTICES PUTTING IN THE RIGHT PLANTS THAT HELP TO DISPERSE THAT WATER OVER THREE TO FOUR DAYS IN A, IN A NA IN A NATURAL FASHION.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL NATURALIZING A BASIN.
AND ON THE AVERAGE, THAT COSTS 30 TO 40 TO $50,000 PER BASIN TO ACCOMPLISH.
AND YOU'LL GET BETTER WATER QUALITY OUT OF THE WATER BEING THAT GOES THROUGH.
AND YOU'LL GET SOME RETENTION TIME, YOU'LL GET SOME OF EVAPOTRANSPIRATION UH, EFFECTS.
BUT AS FAR AS VOLUME CONTROL, YOU DON'T GET MUCH FOR THE DOLLAR.
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OKAY.WHEN YOU REDUCE DOWN THAT ORIFICE, WHEN YOU SHUT THAT, UH, DISCHARGE DOWN, THAT'S WHEN YOU GET YOUR VOLUME CONTROL.
AND THAT'S REALLY FROM, UH, A SAFETY, UH, STANDPOINT FOR YOUR RESONANCE, ESPECIALLY DOWNSTREAM.
AND ANOTHER THING WE ARE TRYING TO DO ALSO IN THAT RESPECT, AND THAT'S BE, EXCUSE ME, MR. THAT'S BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT ALL THESE BASINS EMPTYING QUICKLY INTO A STREAM OR WHEREVER WHERE YOU COULD GET FLOODED.
AND ALONG WITH THAT, UH, THAT SLOWS DOWN THE VELOCITY IN YOUR STREAM.
AT THE SAME TIME, WHEN YOU SLOW DOWN THE VELOCITY, THE WATER LOSES ITS ABILITY TO CARRY SEDIMENT.
SO YOUR STREAMS START TO CLEAR UP.
NOW, YOUR MACROINVERTEBRATES, WHICH ARE YOUR SMALL INSECTS THAT ARE THE BOTTOM OF THE FU FOOD CHAIN IN THE STREAMS START TO COME BACK.
YOUR FISH COME BACK AND YOU REVIVE THAT COMPLETE CYCLE OF PLANTS AND, UH, STREAM LIFE, AQUATIC LIFE IN YOUR STREAMS. AND ABOVE ALL, YOU SAVE MONEY FOR THE TOWNSHIP BECAUSE YOU REPAIRING BUFFER REPAIRS BECOME MUCH LESS BECAUSE THE VELOCITY IN YOUR STREAMS ISN'T THAT, UH, OF, UH, CATASTROPHIC TO YOUR BANKS.
AND, UH, THAT'S THE BIG THING THAT, UH, THE D E P IS EMPHASIZING NOW IS REPAIR AND BUFFER REPAIR.
BUT, UH, UH, BEING ON THE MS FOUR COMMITTEE, I'M TRYING TO EMPHASIZE NOT ONLY THAT, BUT I'M TRYING TO EMPHASIZE RETROFITTING BASINS, INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT THE EFFECT OF THE VELOCITY, LET'S GET ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EQUAL, UH, PARTS OF THE EQUATION AND FIX THE PROBLEM, WHICH ARE OLDER BASINS THAT AREN'T UP TO NOWADAYS STANDARDS WITH HAVING THE PROPER OPENING ON THEM.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE DO THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS LIKE WE DID LAST MONTH AT OUR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
THE ONE OVER ON HOPWOOD, YOU KNOW, THEY SHOWED PENSION BASINS BUILD IN.
DOES JEN REVIEW THOSE BASINS AND HOW THEY'RE BUILT AND WHAT THEY'RE SHE EXPECTS OR WHATEVER THAT SHE EXPECTS THEM TO BUILD THEM FOR? WELL, SHE, SHE, WE REQUIRE A LONGER 100.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THEY HAVE A MORE STRICT, SO THERE IS, THERE IS SPECS ON THE RELEASING OF THE WATER.
THAT JEN, WHETHER OR NOT THEY QUALIFY FOR WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I DON'T ABOUT WHATEVER THIS REQUIRES, WORKS OUT.
AND WE ALSO INSPECT THE BASIN WHEN THEY'RE INSTALLED, WHEN THE DEVELOPS PUT IN CONSTRUCTION SITE ANALYSIS DEVELOPMENTS, THEN THEY ALSO INSPECTED AFTER THEY REMOVE, AND THAT TIME EARLIER, ONCE PASSED THE, OKAY.
SO IN, UH, REVIEWING PLANTS THAT SEND, UH,
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WE ALSO, UH, USE A GENERIC FORM TO DO THAT.UH, I HAVE THAT COVERED IN MY PRESENTATION.
UH, AND YOU CAN CHANGE THAT TO SUIT YOUR NEEDS.
SO, UH, I ALWAYS LIKE TO SAY, UH, I TRY AND SELL AND TEACH A CONCEPT, AND YOU TAKE THAT CONCEPT AND MAKE IT WORK FOR YOUR TOWNSHIP.
UH, WITH THE NEW, UH, UH, UH, STORMWATER ORDINANCE THAT'S COMING OUT, UH, IT IS IN A GENERIC FORMAT.
UH, I'M TRYING TO ADD, UH, WHAT I TEACH TO THAT ORDINANCE ALSO.
AND WHAT THAT IS, IS SIMPLY HOW TO COLLECT DATA.
AND SO THAT ONE TOWNSHIP, UH, VERSUS ANOTHER TOWNSHIP, THEY COLLECT THEIR DATA IN THE SAME WAY.
SO IT CAN BE REUSED BY YOUR NEIGHBORS.
SO THAT INSTEAD OF ONE TOWNSHIP JUST LOOKING AT YOUR BMPS, THE WHOLE WATERSHED CAN LOOK AT THE BMP ON A MAP SO THAT WHEN YOU'RE HAVING A PROBLEM DOWNSTREAM, NOW YOU HAVE THE ADVANTAGE OF LOOKING UPSTREAM TO SEE POSSIBLY IF YOU TWEAK THIS BASIN OR THAT BASIN, BY CHOKING IT BACK A LITTLE BIT FOR HAVING MORE VOLUME CONTROL, YOU ALLEVIATE ALL THIS VELOCITY DOWNSTREAM THAT IS CAUSING ALL THE FLOODING, ALL THE RIPARIAN BUFFER PROBLEMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT I CAN'T EMPHASIZE ENOUGH, THE FIRST STEP IS MAPPING AND INSPECTING AND DOING IT CONSISTENTLY.
COME UP WITH A GENERIC FORM, A GENERIC SPREADSHEET THAT YOU CAN PUT ALL YOUR DATA ON SO YOUR ENGINEER CAN FEED IT INTO A GIS SOFTWARE TO GENERATE A MAP FOR YOU.
AND, UH, 3D MODEL, WHAT PROGRAM DO YOU USE? YOU KNOW WHAT? THEY, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING AT THAT NOW.
AND, UH, WE HAVE SEVERAL THAT WERE LOOKING, WE HAVEN'T MADE A DECISION YET, BUT THAT'S A, A GREAT TOOL FOR US MM-HMM.
AND INSTEAD OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, JUST LOOKING AT CONTOURS ON PAPER, IT'S SO MUCH EASIER FOR THE MIND TO LOOK AT SOMETHING AND VISUALLY SEE THE DEVELOPMENT THEN AND HOW IT'S GOING TO BE LAID OUT, HOW MUCH PHIL IS GOING TO BE USED.
AND REMEMBER, WHEN THEY BRING IN PHIL AND, UH, TO FILL IN THE RAVINES AND ALL THAT, THEY'RE IMMEDIATELY CHANGING, UH, THE HYDROLOGY AND THE WATER CYCLE.
UH, THEY'RE COMPACTING YOUR SOILS.
IT'S CHANGING YOUR ITY, YOUR PERMEABILITY.
AND, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING TO REALLY, UH, UH, LOOK AT IN LAND DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE, UH, WHEN YOU HAVE, UH, SAY A TWO ACRE PLOT AND IT'S ALL, UH, PERMEABLE, YOU BRING IN A HOUSE, YOU RUN ALL THAT HEAVY EQUIPMENT OVER IT.
AND IN OUR TOWNSHIP, WE ONLY HAVE TWO FOOT OF SOIL ABOVE BEDROCK.
SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S NOT MUCH, AND IT'S ALL COMPACTED, AND IT BECOMES A PARKING LOT WHEN YOU THINK YOU HAVE SOIL.
AND IN ESSENCE, YOU'VE LOST ALL YOUR PERMEABILITY AND FEROCITY.
SO, UH, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.
HOW DO YOU FIX THAT? WELL, YOU COME IN THE BACK END AND THEY HAVE BREAKS, UH, THEY HAVE SPRS THAT THEY CAN USE THAT'LL BREAK THAT SOIL UP BEFORE THEY ADD THE AMENDED SOILS AND YOUR GRASS.
AND THEN, AS YOU SPOKE EARLIER, UH, THEY'RE ALSO EMPHASIZING NOW THAT A LOT OF HOMEOWNERS SHOULD BE PLANTING WILDFLOWERS INSTEAD OF GRASS.
YOU GET ROOT SETTER, YOU KNOW, SIX INCHES TO A FOOT IN DEPTH WITH WILDFLOWERS, YOU CAN GET FOUR AND FIVE FOOT DEEP ROOT SYSTEMS THAT REALLY BREAK UP THE SOILS AIR RATE THE, THE SOILS, AND GIVE BACK THE INFILTRATION THAT YOU NEED TO RECHARGE YOUR GROUNDWATER AND DRINKING WATER AQUIFERS.
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THE RAINWATER INSTEAD OF LETTING IT ALL GO DOWN FOR RUNOFF, CAUSING YOU REPAIR AND BUFFER DAMAGE.SO, UH, THAT'S A PRETTY BROAD SPECTRUM OF WHAT WE EMPHASIZE AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU SAY YOU, WE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, UH, YOU AS AN E M A B.
NOT, NOT THE PENN STATE GROUP.
WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU IN NEWHAN OVER TOWNSHIP, WHEN YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT A NEW DEVELOPMENT, HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU SPEND ON THIS SUBJECT ON WATER RETENTION AND, AND RUNOFF AND ALL THAT STUFF? WELL, LIKE THIS, IS THAT A BIG PART? WHAT'S SOMETHING YOU LOOK AT WHEN YOU LOOK AT A DEVELOPMENT? YES.
SEE, WE LOOK AT THE TOTAL PICTURE.
WE HAVE A GENERIC FORM THAT WE USE TO DO THAT, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE AND GIVE A PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD ON THAT DEVELOPMENT FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL PERSPECTIVE.
BUT AGAIN, I EMPHASIZE IT'S ONLY TO ADVISE THEM, UNDERSTAND.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE ADVISE, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL.
AND, UH, IT'S BECOME MORE OR LESS A REGULAR, UH, TOOL FOR US.
IS THAT IN YOUR PRESENTATION? I'M SORRY? IS THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S IN MY PRESENTATION.
THAT, THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING.
BECAUSE WE DON'T SPEND ANY TIME ON THAT NOW, I DON'T THINK, OTHER THAN WE JUST, WE JUST EXU ACCEPT THAT THE CONSULTANTS ARE DOING THAT WORK.
ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO THAT, BUT A LOT OF US ALSO WILL GO WALK THE PROPERTIES OFF WITH NOT HAVING 3D TO LOOK AT, JUST TO LOOK AT THE SLOPES, THE CONTOURS AND WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
YEAH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT IN, IN, DO WE NEVER SPECIFICALLY ASK QUESTIONS REGARDING OTHER THAN YES, WE HAVE RETENTION PONDS IN THE PLAN.
WE DON'T ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE PLANS OTHER THAN WHAT JEN DOES.
I I THINK WE ALWAYS DEFER TO JEN.
AND, AND THEN WELL, THE OTHER ENGINE, THE ENGINEER, THE ENGINEER
BUT SHOULD WE BE ASKING MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AROUND THAT? WE, YOU KNOW, YES.
WE ABOUT, WE ASK ABOUT BUILDINGS AND WE ASK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, LANDSCAPING, BUT WE DON'T ASK MUCH ABOUT WATER RUNOFF OTHER THAN WHAT JEN TELLS US OR, OR ADVISES US.
DOES YOUR EAB REVIEW ALL LAND DEVELOPMENT? YES.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT DEALS WITH THE ENVIRONMENT, UH, THE SOILS.
YOU HAVE YOUR A, B, AND C AND D SOILS.
AND WE PRIMARILY ONLY HAVE C AND D SOILS.
AND IF YOU HAVE A SEA SOIL AFTER LAND DEVELOPMENT, IT'S ALL DES SOIL.
AND THE REASON BEING IS ALL THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT THAT THEY COME IN, IT COMPACTS IT.
SO YOU, YOU CHANGE SOIL GROUPS BY THAT COMPACTION.
AND THE SAME WITH YOUR BETTER SOILS OR YOUR A AND BS, A LOT OF THOSE ARE FLUVIAL SOILS DEALING WITH FLOOD PLAINS AND STUFF OF THAT NATURE, WHICH THE FARMERS LOVE.
THAT'S YOUR BEST SOIL FOR FARMING, HAS THE BEST INFILTRATION, THE MOST ORGANIC MATTER IN IT, AND THE BEST POROSITY AND PERMEABILITY.
AND, UH, BUT WE SEE VERY LITTLE OF THAT HERE IN THIS AREA.
SO DOES, DOES MANNER, WE'RE ALSO HAVE AN OPEN SPACE? UH, YES.
WE BUY EVERY ACRE WE CAN GET OUR HANDS ON.
AND, UH, UH, I JUST WONDER IF YOU GOT A, I, THAT'S MY MIDDLE NAME, IS YOU WANT TO INVEST IN A, AT A PLACE HERE IN UPPER PROVINCE, I'M SORRY, WE'RE LOOKING FOR INVESTORS TO BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY HERE IN UPPER PROVINCE.
WHAT SORT OF OUTREACH PROGRAMS DO, DOES THE, DOES YOUR E A B DO IN TERMS OF REACHING OUT FOR CLEANUP DAYS OR, UM, YOU KNOW, EDUCATION, UH, OF WE HOAS OF JUST RANDOM, OF JUST GENERAL POPULATION IN THE TOWNSHIP.
I THINK WHILE WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE EAC REVIEWING SOME PLANS, THINGS LIKE THAT, I THINK THE DIRECTION THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN FROM THE BOARD ORIGINALLY WAS TO, TO BE AN EDUCATION AND TO GET OUT THERE AND BRING SOME MORE ENVIRONMENTAL AWARENESS TO THIS TOWNSHIP.
WE'VE GONE AND WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH LAND LEFT, AND WE DON'T HAVE THE, WE'VE HAD IT IN THE LAST 25 YEARS.
WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH DEVELOPMENT MOVING FORWARD AS, AS NEW HANOVER'S GOING TO HAVE.
SO THE AMOUNT OF LAND THAT'S LEFT IS WE WANNA PRESERVE IT, AND WE WANT TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ON WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THE OPEN SPACES THAT THEY HAVE IN THEIR AREA.
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WHAT SORT OF PROGRAMS HAVE YOU DEVELOPED, OR WHAT KIND OF PROGRAMS DOES YOUR EAB DO FOR OUTREACH AND EDUCATION? WE DO A LOT OF, UH, STORMWATER WORKSHOPS.UH, WE HAVE PARTNERED WITH THE PERK HILLMAN, UH, WATERSHED CONSERVANCY, UH, WHO COME IN AND GIVE TALKS ON STORM WATER, UH, FOR HOMEOWNERS.
UH, WE ALSO DO RAIN BARREL WORKSHOPS WHERE WE INVITE HOMEOWNERS TO COME IN AND PARTAKE IN, UH, UH, MAKING RAIN BARRELS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
WE PROVIDE 'EM WITH ALL THE MATERIALS AND THAT AT A NOMINAL COST.
AND, UH, WE UTILIZE CONSERVANCY FOR THAT ALSO.
UH, WE BRING IN SPEAKERS FROM TIME TO TIME TO HELP EDUCATE FROM THE STEWARDS, FROM THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT, UH, FROM THE MASTER GARDENER PROGRAM.
UH, YOU ALSO HAVE THE MAT, UH, THE, UH, MASTER, UH, NATURALIST, UH, PEOPLE THAT YOU CAN, UH, TALK TO.
UH, MR. TME IS, UH, A GREAT SPEAKER, UH, THAT I HEARD THIS EVENING AS WELL.
AND, UH, YOU CAN, UH, TAP A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE, UH, AND THEY'LL COME AND, AND TALK TO YOU AND HELP EDUCATE ON, UH, A REGULAR BASIS FREE OF CHARGE.
AND, UH, I CAN HELP YOU LOCATE A LOT OF THOSE, UH, UH, LECTURING, UH, SERVICES.
AND, UH, THAT'S, UH, A GREAT WAY TO EDUCATE AND, UH, GET THE WORD OUT ON STORMWATER AND THE ENVIRONMENT IN YOUR TOWNSHIP, YOU KNOW.
BUT, UH, I WOULD EMPHASIZE IT'S ALWAYS A GOOD, UH, THING THAT, UH, THE BOARD KNOWS THE GEOLOGY AND THE HYDROLOGY OF YOUR TOWNSHIP.
THAT'S A GREAT STARTING POINT, UH, THAT WAY.
UH, WHEN YOU GO TO TALK TO PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION, PLEASE, YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN START FROM.
AND STORMWATER IS NOT THAT, UH, COMPLICATED, REALLY.
UH, A LOT OF IT IS COMMON SENSE, MAINTAINING YOUR BASINS, ENSURING THAT YOUR DISCHARGES ARE ALWAYS CLEAR, SAFE.
THE OPENINGS HAVE, UH, A GUARD OR A GRID OVER THEM, SO SMALL CHILDREN CAN'T CLIMB INTO THEM.
UH, THESE ARE PROBLEMS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST.
AND, UH, MAKING SURE YOUR, UH, UH, BANKS ARE IN GOOD REPAIR.
YOU DON'T HAVE REPAIR AND BUFFER DAMAGE.
UH, AND ANOTHER THING YOU CAN DO IS, UH, COME UP WITH, UH, WHAT THEY CALL A LIVE STEAK NURSERY, UH, WHERE YOU HAVE, UH, PLANTED A GARDEN WHERE YOU CAN CUT LIVE STEAKS TO DO YOUR REPAIRING BUFFERS REPAIRS.
AND, UH, THAT'S A, A VERY ENJOYABLE, UH, THING TO DO.
UH, WE INVITE OUR BOY SCOUT TROOPS TO COME IN AND, UH, MAINTAIN THAT.
AND THAT'S ANOTHER WAY TO INVOLVE THE RESIDENTS OF YOUR TOWNSHIP.
AND THAT'S, UH, ONE THING THAT WE ARE REALLY WORKING ON TRYING TO INVOLVE AS MANY PEOPLE AND AGE GROUPS WITHIN OUR TOWNSHIP, UH, ON STORMWATER.
AND THE MORE YOU CAN INVOLVE THEM, GET THEM IN EXCITED ABOUT IT AND EDUCATE THEM, THE BETTER OFF IT IS FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS.
AND, AND THE EAB IS TAKING THE INITIATIVE TO DO THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. SNOW?
I MEAN, I, I LEARNED THAT WE'RE, YOU'RE LIGHT YEARS AHEAD OF US.
WELL, HOW LONG HAS YOUR A B BEEN IN EFFECT OR IN I'VE BEEN, UH, AN EAB UH, CHAIRMAN FOR JUST SHY OF SIX YEARS NOW.
AND HOW LONG WERE THEY AROUND BEFORE THAT? UH, I WAS JUST, UH, A RESIDENT BEFORE THAT.
HOW ABOUT THE EAB? WHEN WERE THEY CREATED? UH, ABOUT, UH, 1990, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
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I WILL TELL YOU THAT.THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
WELL, NUMBER ONE, YOU'RE MEETING, THAT'S THE FIRST STEP.
AND NUMBER TWO, YOU ALL LOOK LIKE YOU'RE INTERESTED AND YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S THE SECOND BOAT BEST.
WELL, I, YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THAT YOU'RE RIGHT.
THAT WE, I THINK WE HAVE, I THINK EVERYBODY HERE WANTS TO, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A, WHAT TO DO AND B, HOW TO DO IT.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE GOT, AND WE APPRECIATE IF YOU'D SHARE WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO YOUR PRESENTATIONS, CUZ IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GOT A LOT OF THAT WORK DONE ALREADY.
SOUNDS LIKE YOU, YOU HAVE THAT YEP.
FOR US TO GET STARTED IN SOME AREA WATER BASINS OR YOU TALK ABOUT SOILS.
I, I, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL DIRT TO ME,
SEE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE THING.
AND YOU HAVE SO, SO MUCH ON THE WEB, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GOOGLE IT, YOU KNOW, AND GOOGLE YOUR TOWNSHIP, GOOGLE YOUR SOILS.
YOU, UH, AND TALK TO YOUR ENGINEER.
SHE, UH, DO YOU HAVE A LADY ENGINEER? YEAH, HER NAME IS JEN.
JEN, UH, YOU CAN GO TO JEN AND ASK HER, UH, TO GIVE YOU A SOILS MAP.
I DO THE GIS FOR THE TOWNSHIP.
WELL, I GUESS WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO ASK IS ONE OF THE THINGS.
RIGHT? AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THIS IS JUST GETTING AN UNDERSTANDING OF RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I I'M NOT SURE WE'RE GOING, I WANT YOU TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE ECOLOGY AND THE ENVIRONMENT OF THE TOWNSHIP.
DON'T GET ME WRONG, I, I THINK TO DO PLAN REVIEWS IS A LITTLE BIT FARTHER AFIELD THAN WE WANT TO GO AT THIS POINT.
BUT EDUCATION AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE TOWNSHIP IS, IS DEFINITELY WHERE WE, WE WE WANT TO TAKE YOU.
AND, AND AFTER WE UNDERSTAND THAT WHERE IT LEADS US, I DON'T KNOW, IT MIGHT LEAD US NOWHERE, BUT AT LEAST WE, WELL, I MEAN, FOR THE NEXT MEETING WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHY DON'T I PRODUCE A SOILS MAP? AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
MAYBE I CAN TALK JEN INTO COMING FOR AN EVENING AND, UM, THAT WOULD BE SEEING IF SHE CAN TALK ABOUT SOILS AND WHAT THE DIFFERENT TYPE OF SOILS MEAN.
I, I MEAN, I CAN CERTAINLY LOOK UP THE DEFINITIONS OF THEM, BUT SURE.
I'D BE READING THE DEFINITIONS.
IT WOULDN'T BE HELPFUL AND I WOULDN'T YEAH.
AND I, I KNOW I HAVE A TREE COVER MAP, SO WE CAN GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE TREE COVER OF THE TOWNSHIP.
WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE A LOT OF TOPOGRAPHY.
I DON'T, I THINK I COULD DO A 3D MODEL WITH GIS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD REALLY BE THAT ACCURATE.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING A LITTLE BETTER USED FOR INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENTS AS THEY COME IN, UM, OR INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES AS WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THEM.
UM, BUT IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT IN MAY, WE CAN CERTAINLY GO THAT DIRECTION.
AND, AND WELL, I THINK IT'S ANOTHER GOOD STARTING POINT FOR SURE.
AS YOU SAY, WE SHOULD UNDERSTAND THOSE KIND OF THINGS, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND THIS IS THE STORMWATER, WHAT I HAD UP HERE FOR A WHILE, AND I DIDN'T EXPLAIN IT UP ON THE SCREEN, WAS THE STORMWATER AND BASINS MAP THAT I, I CREATED FOR TOM.
UH, I PULLED THE INFORMATION TOGETHER AND PLOTTED IT OUT FOR, FOR PUBLIC WORKS.
THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE STARTING WITH TO SORT OF UNDERSTAND WHERE ALL THE BASINS ARE.
THIS SHOWS MANHOLES, THE BASINS THAT LOOK LIKE THE, THE LAKES AND THEN THE, THE STORMWATER PIPES THAT ARE IN THE TOWNSHIP.
SO, SO ALL THE LOOKS LIKE LAKES THAT THEY'RE BASINS THOSE ARE BASINS, YES.
AND THEN THE BLUE DOTS ARE MANHOLES.
INLETS, I'M SORRY, INLETS, INLETS, INLETS THAT ARE GOING TO THE BASIN.
SO BASIN, I HAVE A SEWER MAP THAT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THIS.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE WHOLE TOWNSHIP.
WELL, RIGHT NOW, THIS IS JUST HALF OF IT.
THIS IS JUST, THIS IS THE, THE AREA THAT THEY'RE STARTING WITH.
SO IT'S THE MAP THAT I HAVE, JUST THIS, THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE I GUESS LIKE JUST INDIVIDUAL ONE ACRE, LOTS OF THEIR OWN.
THIS, THIS IS, THESE ARE COMMUNITY, YEAH.
THESE ARE COMMUNITY BASINS DONE THROUGH DEVELOPMENT.
SOME OF THESE ARE TOWNSHIP OWNED, SOME OF THEM AREN'T.
UM, I THINK WHEN YOU HAVE A ONE ACRE PIECE, THE RAIN GARDEN AND, AND, AND, AND BASINS LIKE THAT ARE, ARE WATER CONTROL.
AND I DON'T THINK THEY'RE MAPPED AS MUCH.
UM, BUT I THINK WE, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET TO THAT POINT.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION AND, AND SEEING HOW WE CAN MAP IT OUT.
I KNOW WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAG GIS AND WE HAVE A, I THINK WE HAVE A, A, A, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, A DO HICKEY THAT GOES OUT.
AND I SAY THAT JOKINGLY WE HAVE OH, GETTING TECHNICAL.
I KNOW WE HAVE A MACHINE THAT, THAT PUBLIC WORKS CAN GO OUT THERE AND GEOTAG THINGS FOR US AND, AND GET THEM INTO GIS.
SO I MEAN, THOSE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO.
AND, AND THINGS THAT WE HAVE SOME RESOURCES TO SHOW YOU RIGHT NOW IS, IS, UH, NEW HANOVER ALL PERIO AND WATERSHED? UH, YES.
THEN, AND WE WE'RE TWO WATERSHEDS HERE, RIGHT? WE'RE PER YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS HAVE THE LITTLE PER AND IN THE PER.
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YEP.I MEAN, YOU HAVE TRIBUTARIES COME.
YEAH, WE ADMINISTER CREEK AND SWAMP CREEK, AND IT'S ALL PRIMARILY PER AND, UH, THEY'RE JUST TRIBUTARIES.
WELL, THIS PART OF THE MAP YOU GOT HERE IS MOSTLY PERCHIK TOO, RIGHT? JEFF? YES.
CAUSE WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE MORE MGO, RIGHT? UM, I'VE SEEN THE MAP AND I'D HAVE TO RECREATE IT TO SAY EXACTLY.
WE'RE A COUPLE DIFFERENT WATERSHEDS.
THERE'S PARTIALLY A SCHUEL, PARTIALLY THE PERIN.
UM, HOW ABOUT THE MING? THAT CREEK.
I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT RISES THE LEVEL OF FULL WATERSHED, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S THE, PROBABLY THE THIRD OR FOURTH LARGEST CREEK IN THE TOWNSHIP.
I MEAN, EVERY, I GUESS EVERY CREEK HAS ITS OWN WATERSHED.
IT'S JUST HOW SIGNIFICANT IT IS.
I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, WE CAN FIND AND WE CAN MAP FOR YOU AND, AND GO FROM THERE.
AND, UH, GENTLEMEN AND LADY, UH, I DON'T WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT MORE, BUT ONCE YOU LEARN YOUR SOILS, YOUR GEOLOGY, AND YOU LOOK AT THE COMPLETE WATERSHED WHERE YOUR TOWNSHIP FITS INTO, AND YOU LOOK AT YOUR STORMWATER, THE GROUNDWATER AND THOSE, ALL THE ASPECTS, FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S A, A HUGE, HUGE BASIS FOR YOU TO BUILD ON AND, UH, TO SHARE WITH YOUR BOARDS AND YOUR PLANNING COMMISSIONS.
AND YOU REALLY BECOME AN ADVISORY BOARD DECK BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE TOOLS, THE BASIS FOR THE QUOTE UNQUOTE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW AND, UH, UH, YOUR GEOLOGY.
YOU CAN GET FROM U S GS QUADRANGLE MAPS THAT YOU CAN FIND WITH THE LOCAL, UH, LIBRARIES HAVE THOSE.
AND WHAT'S NEAT ABOUT THOSE, THEY COME WITH, UH, A CROSS SECTION, WHICH IS, UH, A PERPENDICULAR CUT TO THE SURFACE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO SEE ALL YOUR FOLDS AND, UH, BENDING OF YOUR ROCK FORMATIONS.
AND YOU'RE JUST STARTING TO GET INTO WHAT THEY CALL THE ARCADIAN OROGENY, WHERE EUROPE COLLIDED WITH NORTH AMERICA AND FORMED THE APPALACHIAN MOUNTAINS FROM THE TWO, UH, PLATES COMING TOGETHER WITH PLATE TECTONICS.
AND THEN ONCE THEY SEPARATED, THEN WE WERE LEFT WITH THE APPALACHIANS.
AND YOU HAVE THE ALPS AND MOUNTAIN RANGES IN EUROPE THAT WERE CREATED BY THE COLLISION.
AH, AND, UH, UH, IT'S NEAT BECAUSE ONCE YOU START TO UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, IT'S SO MUCH FUN TO TALK ABOUT IT
SO, AND, BUT YOU CAN SEE HOW THE DIFFERENT ROCK TYPES, FOR INSTANCE, YOUR RIDGES HERE, I WOULD, I WOULD BE ALMOST POSITIVE, ARE METAMORPHIC OR IGNEOUS ROCKS.
THE IGNEOUS ARE WHAT I CALL HOMOGENEOUS OR, OR, UH, UH, AND THEY'RE BUBBLES OF MOLTEN MAGMA THAT CAME UP AND JUST SOLIDIFIED LIKE YOUR DATABASE.
AND THAT'S WHY IT'S A RIDGE FORMER.
AND THEN IN YOUR VALLEYS, YOU HAVE YOUR SEDIMENTARY ROCKS BECAUSE THEY ERODE SO EASILY.
AND, UH, BY GETTING A FEEL FOR THAT, YOU CAN THEN LOOK AT DEVELOPMENTS AND HOW STORM WATER IS AFFECTED BY ALL THIS.
AND YOU START TO PIECE ALL THESE LITTLE THINGS TOGETHER.
AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF FUN TO LEARN THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND IT'S EVEN MORE FUN TO HAVE GROUPS INVITE YOUR RESIDENTS AND YOU GO OUT AND YOU TAKE FIELD TRIPS WITH THEM.
YOU TEACH THE LITTLE, UH, KIDS ABOUT, UH, GEOLOGY, STORM WATER.
AND, UH, IT REALLY GETS, UH, YOUR PEOPLE, UH, TOGETHER UNITED AND THINKING ABOUT THINGS THAT THEY SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT.
AND, UH, UH, IT PROVIDES A, A VERY GOOD COMMUNITY.
AND, UH, THE, THE PRESENTATIONS YOU GOT, DO WE, UH, IS JEN OR, UH, WE CAN SARAH GONNA GIVE US ACCESS TO THEM? WE CAN, WE CAN GET THOSE FROM SARAH.
WE, OR YOU CAN GIVE 'EM TO SARAH AND SHE CAN DISTRIBUTE THEM.
AND WE CAN ALSO TALK ABOUT HAVING HIM BACK FOR YES.
A MORE SPECIFIC DISCUSSION ABOUT, ESPECIALLY AFTER WE GET THE PRESENTATIONS,
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WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR WHATEVER.ARE YOUR, UH, E A B MEETINGS, UH, ZOOMED OUT? NOT YET, BUT WE'RE ALMOST THERE.
WE'RE JUST FINISHING UP OUR NEW BUILDING.
UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW ELECTRONICS COMING IN, AND, UH, WE'RE ADDING THAT.
THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS WE'RE ADDING IS PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT WE CAN ZOOM.
SO, UH, UH, EVERYBODY IS WELCOME TO.
I SAW A, YOU KNOW WHAT WILD ONES IS? UHHUH?
I SAW THAT PRESENTATION THEY HAD LAST WEEK.
AND, UH, A LADY FROM THE PEREN VALLEY WATERSHED DID A WHOLE THING ON THE RAIN BARREL.
THEY HAVE A LOT OF ENTHUSIASM AND YOU CAN FEEL THAT IN THEIR PRESENTATIONS, AND THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY NEAT.
UH, ESP I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT ALSO ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL PEOPLE.
AND, UH, WE'RE JUST, JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, WE'RE LAYMAN, YOU KNOW? UH, I'VE WORKED OUT IN THE FIELD ALL MY CAREER.
UH, I, I HATE INDOOR OFFICES, YOU KNOW, BUT I DO DO THAT.
BUT IT'S SO MUCH FUN TO BE OUT AND GETTING DIRTY AND, UH, UH, ENJOYING THE PLANTS, THE WILDLIFE, AND, UH, YOUR MEADOW PROJECT SOUNDS GREAT.
UH, WE'RE TRYING TO DO THAT WITH ALL OF OUR, UH, PARKS.
UH, IT CUTS DOWN ON, UH, GRASS CUTTING GRASS COSTS.
AND THE MONEY THAT YOU SAVE, YOU CAN TURN INTO PLANT SEED.
AND BY TURNING YOUR PARKS AND THAT INTO MEADOWS, YOU ENHANCE, UH, UH, THE WILDLIFE.
YOU GET MORE BUTTERFLIES, YOU GET MORE HUMMINGBIRDS.
UH, AND EVERY SPRING, UH, I HAVE CARDINAL PLANTS, UH, PLANTED IN MY YARD.
I I SEE HUMMINGBIRDS LIKE CRAZY.
AND THIS IS TAMI'S WHOLE THING.
IS THE, THE, I MEAN, HE'S AN ENTOMOLOGIST, RIGHT? SO HIS WHOLE THING IS NOT NECESSARILY, ALTHOUGH HE DOES HIT ON IT, THE ROOT SYSTEMS AND THE SOIL.
SO HIS WHOLE THING IS LET'S FEED THE BIRDS AND, AND GROW MORE, UH, CATERPILLARS.
STUFF FOR THE BIRDS AND THE BEES.
WITHOUT THE BEES, WE COULDN'T EAT THE WAY WE DO.
JUST LETTING CLOVER GROW INSTEAD OF GRASS BRINGS BACK THE BEES.
LEAVE, LEAVE THE DANDELIONS A LITTLE LONGER FOR HIM.
I MEAN, HE, HE PRESENTS THIS LEVEL OF ANXIETY AND HE SAYS, WE'RE ON THE VERGE OF THE THIRD GREAT EXTINCTION.
AND THEN HE TALKS ABOUT HOW WE'RE GONNA PREVENT THAT.
AND THEY ALSO, I WANTED TO ADD, UH, THEY HAVE A TYPE OF RADISH THAT YOU CAN GET THAT HAS LIKE A FOUR FOOT ROOT SYSTEM TO IT THAT THEY'RE STARTING TO PLANT NOW IN BASINS.
IT'S A LOT CHEAPER THAN BUYING ALL THAT SEED IN THAT.
AND, UH, YOU CAN TRANSPLANT THOSE AND, UH, THEIR ROOT SYSTEMS AGAIN, BREAK UP THE SOILS THAT ARE COMPACTED AND BRING BACK YOUR INFILTRATION.
LIKE HORSE RADISH, HORSERADISH HAS A DEEP ROOT, A SPREAD QUICKLY.
SO I KNOW I, UH, GAVE A PRETTY BROAD TALK THIS EVENING.
UH, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME.
UH, IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO TALK TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU.
UH, I HOPE, UH, UH, I HAVE, UH, TAUGHT YOU SOMETHING AND YOU'VE LEARNED SOMETHING.
MY WIFE MIGHT NOT TELL YOU THAT, BUT I WILL.
AND, UH, I ENJOY TALKING TO PEOPLE THAT WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND, UH, CARE ABOUT THEIR TOWNSHIP AND THEIR NEIGHBORS.
AND I THANK YOU VERY KINDLY FOR HAVING ME.
YOU CERTAINLY AS A GROUP, APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU TOLD US TONIGHT AND GETTING US A LITTLE BIT AHEAD BY GIVING US INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE ALREADY DONE INSTEAD OF BEING REDUNDANT.
UM, AND OBVIOUSLY I THINK IT'S FOR EVERYBODY.
IT'D BE WONDERFUL TO HAVE YOU BACK AGAIN AND, UH, I'D BE HAPPY TO, AND I HOPE I'VE EXCITED AND, AND GIVING YOU THE SPARK THAT WE ALL SHOULD HAVE.
DOES, DOES MONTGOMERY COUNTY HAVE A REGIONAL EAC UH, GROUP? NO, BUT, UH, THERE IS A PENNSYLVANIA ENVIRONMENTAL COUNCIL, PAT.
THAT'S, AND, UH, I'M A MEMBER OF
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THAT ALSO.THAT WAS THE OTHER GROUP THAT WAS AT THE WORKSHOP DOWN AT CHRISTINA WATERSHED.
I KEPT SAYING PENN ENVIRONMENT.
AND, UH, CAROLYN SHAW IS, UH, THE YOUNG LADY THAT HEADS A LOT OF THAT.
AND, UH, THEY HAVE WORKSHOPS AND GET TOGETHERS ALL THE TIME.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF ZOOM MEETINGS THAT ARE OUT THERE, UH, THAT YOU CAN SIGN UP FOR THAT ARE FREE OR CHARGED, AND SOME OF THEM HAVE NOMINAL FEES, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT THAT EXORBITANT.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PROBABLY 30 TO $50 RANGE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
PENN STATE'S, UH, STEWARD PROGRAM HAS A WEBPAGE THAT HAS MANY, MANY ZOOM, UH, LECTURES ON IT THAT YOU CAN ACCESS FREE OF CHARGE.
UH, A LOT OF MY WORK IS ON THAT PAGE.
UH, I PROBABLY HAVE 10, 12 ZOOMS ON THERE.
UH, BUT THAT WAS IN MY INFANCY WHEN I FIRST STARTED, AND I HATE TALKING TO A, A RED LIGHT, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S, IT'S WAS TOUGH FOR ME TO GET OVER THAT.
BUT, UH, I'M DOING PRETTY GOOD NOW AND, UH, I ENJOY IT AND HAVE FUN.
SO THANKS FOR THE INSIGHT INTO THE APPRECIATE IT SOILS AND GEOLOGY.
THAT'S, AND HYDROLOGY AND, AND HYDROLOGY.
AND IT'S EASY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MUCH LITERATURE OUT THERE AND, UH, THESE ARE EASY THINGS TO GRASP, UH, AND IT'S FUN LEARNING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING.
JEFF, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US, THAT ANYTHING LEFT IS TO ADJOURN.
YES, THAT WILL BE, UH, I DON'T HAVE THE DATE, BUT IT'LL BE TWO MONTHS FROM TODAY.
AND, UH, I'LL, I'LL, WE'LL WORK UP SOME ITEMS FOR THE AGENDA.
MAYBE WE'LL HAVE TOM IN AS THANK YOU.
AND, AND I'LL BRING IN SOME OF THE, I'LL SEE WHAT I CAN DO ABOUT GETTING SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL MAPS IN TERMS OF SOILS AND TREE COVER AND THINGS LIKE THAT, SO WE CAN GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE TOWNSHIP HAS.
I WILL, UH, EMAIL YOU AND SARAH SINCE SHE'S NOT HERE TONIGHT.
ACTUALLY, I'LL INVITE HER IF SHE WANTS TO COME AND MEET WITH YOU.
WE'RE MEETING TOMORROW AT FOUR.
I, I DON'T, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HER SCHEDULE IS.
I DON'T KNOW IF SHE WANT TO YEAH, I'LL INVITE HER AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I'LL REPORT BACK.
FEEL FREE TO JUST EMAIL THE ENTIRE GROUP.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S NO REASON TO.
JUST, IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE EMAIL ADDRESS, JUST ASK ME AND I'LL, I'LL GET YOU EMAIL.
SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO QUIET OR SOMETHING LIKE, NOT NECESSARILY LIKE QUIET, BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST HAVE A DIRECT QUESTION ABOUT THE TOWNSHIP FUNCTION, CERTAINLY EMAIL TO SARAH AND I, BUT THERE'S NO REASON TO JUST NOT EMAIL THE ENTIRE BOARD.
WE NEED MAKE A MOTION FOR AJOUR.
I THINK MARIA'S YOUR VICE CHAIR.
CAN I MAKE MOTION TO ADJOURN? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION A SECOND.
YOU WANNA KNOCK IT FOR ME? HERE WE GO.