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[CALL TO ORDER]
NO.[MOTION TO APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA]
ALL RIGHT.GILLEY'S MADE A APPROVE, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ATTACHED, UH, AGENDA.
SO WE'LL MOVE THEN TO, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT FOR NON-AD AGENDA ITEMS, THINGS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA WE JUST APPROVED.
IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER, ANYBODY HERE WANTS TO COMMENT ON ANYTHING, UM, STEP FORWARD.
[GENERAL DISCUSSION ITEMS]
UH, WE'LL MOVE NEXT TO, UH, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES FOR FEBRUARY 1ST AND FEBRUARY 15TH ARE ATTACHED.AND, UH, SO IF EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO KIND OF PERUSE THOSE REAL QUICK, WE'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, THE MINUTES FOR FEBRUARY 1ST AND FEBRUARY 15TH.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
AJ HAS MADE AN, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, FEBRUARY 1ST AND FEBRUARY 15TH.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? AND I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO, UH, SECOND.
SO WE'VE, UH, WE'VE, UH, APPROVED THAT JEFF, LET'S MOVED
[APPLICATIONS TO BE HEARD ON MARCH 1, 2023]
ON TO OUR FIRST APPLICANT OF THE EVENING.AND, UH, THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, UH, ONE 11 EAST LINFIELD TRAP ROAD THREE LOT SUBDIVISION FINAL PLAN.
AND WHO DO WE HAVE REPRESENTING THAT? GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
I'M STEVE CLIFTON WITH CHECO REAL ESTATE.
THIS IS MY PARTNER, BRIAN C**N.
UM, I BELIEVE WE'RE JUST HERE TO HOPEFULLY JUST GET THE RUBBER STAMP TONIGHT.
I THINK OUR ENGINEER HAS WORKED EVERYTHING OUT WITH, UH, JEN AND ANTHONY.
NO, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY? COMMENTS, EITHER ONE IN GENERAL OR ANTHONY PLAN OR ANYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW OR THAT YOU FEEL GOOD OR BAD ABOUT? NO, NOTHING ON MY HANDS.
SO ALL THE, UH, ALL THE, UH, UH, UH, THINGS YOU WANTED TO AGREE TO THAT YOU GUYS HAVE AGREED TO.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR US TO, UH, TO APPROVE THAT, RIGHT, JOE? YEP.
RECOMMENDATION TO GOES TO THE SUPERVISOR.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE ALREADY ON THE, UH, THE, THE, UH, SUPERVISOR FOR MARCH 20TH, RIGHT, JEFF? UH, ASSUMING THAT YOU, ASSUMING THAT WE APPROVE, ASSUMING THAT YOU GIVE THEM WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD ABOUT IT? IT SHOULD BE IN YOUR PACKET HERE.
YOU WANT A FEW MINUTES TO KINDA LEAF THROUGH IT? GUYS, YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT.
IT'S A THREE LOT SUBDIVISION JUST AT THE END OF LINFIELD TRAP ROAD, RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET TO RIDGE PIKE.
UM, THEY RECEIVED TENTATIVE AND PRELIMINARY TOGETHER, AND NOW THEY'RE, THEY'VE CLEANED UP JUST THE FINAL ENGINEERING COMMENTS AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY READY TO GO.
AND THERE'S A PROPERTY ALREADY ON THIS, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING TO SUBDIVIDE THAT WHOLE PIECE OF PROPERTY AND BUILD TWO MORE LOT, TWO MORE HOUSES.
ANYBODY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, ANYTHING ANYBODY WANTS TO, UH, BEFORE WE SEND IT TO THE SUPERVISORS FOR, UH, APPROVAL? AND I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THAT.
THIS, UH, PLAN FOR, UM, THE LINFIELD TRAP SUBDIVISION THREE LOT SUBDIVISION.
I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE TO SEND IT TO SUPERVISORS WITH OUR TENTATIVE, UM, UH, WITH OUR, UH, APPROVAL FOR, UH, MOVING FORWARD.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND FORWARD TO THE SUPERVISORS.
GILLEY'S MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS, UH, FIRST APPLICANT THIS EVENING AND MOVE IT TO THE SUPERVISORS.
DO I HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? RECOMMEND, RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
WILL I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT.
ALL RIGHT, BOB, SECOND IT ALSO.
SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS? IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
THANKS FOR SPENDING FIVE MINUTES WITH US.
WE'LL STICK AROUND A LITTLE WALK.
WE'RE GONNA BRING OUT THE CAKE AND ICE CREAM LATER.
THE SECOND APPLICANT WE HAVE TONIGHT IS, UH, 1 72 HOPWOOD ROAD PRELIMINARY PLAN.
AND WE HAVE MS. ALBERTSON HERE.
UM, I, IF I WISH I WOULD ONLY TAKE
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FIVE MINUTES, BUT I'M ASSUMING THIS IS GONNA TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER.I BET THOSE GUYS ARE GLAD THEY WERE FIRST
UM, SO THIS EVENING WE'RE HERE REGARDING THE PRELIMINARY PLAN FOR 1 72 HOPWOOD ROAD.
WE WERE HERE, UM, LAST SUMMER TO VISIT YOU ON THE TENANT SKETCH PLAN AND CONDITIONAL USE.
SINCE THAT TIME WE WENT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, WE RECEIVED TENANT SKETCH PLAN APPROVAL, AS WELL AS CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR THE 48 TOWNHOMES ON HOPWOOD ROAD.
SO, UM, WE DO HAVE AN UPDATED RENDERING UP THERE AND JUST TO REFRESH EVERYONE'S MEMORY, CAUSE I KNOW IT'S BEEN A FEW MONTHS, UM, AND IF I CAN GET THIS TOO, IT'S PROBABLY TURNED OFF.
SEE, THERE'S ALWAYS A STUFF THAT I MISSED,
UM, SO HOFF WOOD ROAD IS GENERALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS PLAN, UM, AND THE TOWNHOUSES ARE GROUPED ON BOTH SIDES OF H WOOD ROAD.
EACH, UM, SIDE OF HOFF WOOD ROAD HAS, UM, TWO ACCESS POINTS INTO, UM, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
UM, WE ARE SHOWING, UH, THE 100 FOOT BUFFER THAT IS REQUIRED ALONG VARIOUS PROPERTY LINES FROM SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS OCCLUDING ALONG.
UM, THE NORTH SIDE MORGAN LANE RUNS PARALLEL UP HERE.
UM, AND IN TERMS OF PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION, THERE WERE CERTAIN THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE WERE HERE AT TENTATIVE, AND SO I WANTED TO UPDATE YOU SPECIFICALLY ON THAT BEFORE WE ADDRESS REVIEW LETTERS.
ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THERE WILL BE A TRAIL THAT WILL CONNECT UP TO THE MORGAN LANE INTERSECTION, UH, COME ALL THE WAY DOWN THE PROPERTY AND WE WILL CONTINUE THAT.
UM, AND THAT WILL CONNECT DOWN TO THE PORTION THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE YORKIE'S DEVELOPMENT AND CONTINUE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ROUTE 29.
UM, THERE IS AN AREA NEAR DONNYBROOK THAT IS SIDEWALK TODAY, AND WE DISCUSSED WHEN WITH STAFF, WHEN WE MET WITH THEM, THAT THEY WOULD LIKE US TO RIP THAT OUT, UM, AND ACTUALLY MAKE THAT A CONTINUOUS TRAIL SO YOU DON'T HAVE THIS WEIRD BREAKUP OF A TRAIL.
AND THEN SIDEWALK AND A TRAIL.
UM, ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WE WILL BE PROVIDING A SIDEWALK ALONG THE PROPERTY FRONTAGE.
THERE WILL BE A CROSSWALK THAT WILL GO GENERALLY, UM, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE, UM, THIS, ON THAT PART OF HOPWOOD ROAD SO THE TWO SIDES CAN CROSS TO EACH OTHER.
UM, AND THERE WILL BE SIDEWALKS PROVIDED INTERNALLY WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.
UM, SO BEFORE I HIT ON REVIEW LETTERS AND WAIVERS AND THINGS, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY GENERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PLANT? SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S SIDEWALKS ON THE, LOOKING AT THIS PICTURE UP HERE ON THE LEFT, BUT THE TRAIL'S ON THE RIGHT? YEAH, THE TRAIL WILL BE ON THE RIGHT.
I MEAN THE, THE TRAIL CONTINUES ALL THE WAY DOWN.
SO, AND THEN WHEN IT GOES INTO THE ER'S DEVELOPMENT, THERE WILL ACTUALLY BE A TRAIL CONNECTION ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE PER TRAIL.
SO JUST WITH YOUR POINTER, WHERE'S THE TRAIL AT AGAIN, NELSON? SO IT'LL BE, IT'LL ACTUALLY START AT MORGAN LANE AND GO ALL THE WAY DOWN.
SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE A SIDEWALK TOO? YEAH, IT IS.
IT'S JUST THE, THE JUST A LITTLE BIT, YEAH.
ESSENTIAL, RIGHT? A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT LOOKING LIKE A SIDEWALK.
I HAVE A GENERAL, AND IF NEIGHBORS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ROAD ARE FRIENDLY WITH NEIGHBORS ON THE LEFT SIDE, WHICH THEY MAY NOT BE
WHAT'S THAT ROAD? THERE'S GONNA BE A, UH, A, AN ACTUAL, UM, CONTINENTAL CROSSWALK THAT WILL BE OKAY ON HOPWOOD ROAD TO ADDRESS PEOPLE GETTING BACK AND FORTH.
AND WE, IT WAS PLACED BASED ON, WE MET WITH STAFF, UM, TO TALK ABOUT THE MOST APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR THAT ON THIS ROAD.
I MEAN, THE OTHER SIGNIFICANT THING THAT'S HAPPENING WITH THIS PLAN IS THERE WILL BE THE CHANGE TO THE CURVE IN HOPWOOD ROAD.
THAT'S THE SIGNIFICANT ROAD IMPROVEMENT THAT WILL HAPPEN HERE.
SO, UM, IN GENERAL, HOPEFULLY THE ROAD, THE IDEA IS THAT THAT WILL HOPEFULLY MAKE THE ROAD SAFER THAN IT IS TODAY.
UM, AND SO THAT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION WITH STAFF WAS THE MOST APPROPRIATE PLACE TO PUT THAT CROSSWALK TO GET EVERYBODY BACK AND FORTH.
WHAT WOULD BE THE POSTED SPEED? THE POSTED SPEED IS 35.
UM, EVERYTHING IS BEING DESIGNED FOR A 40 MILE PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT THOUGH, IN TERMS OF SITE DISTANCE, ET CETERA.
I DON'T KNOW, ANTHONY, IF YOU WANNA WEIGH IN ON ANYTHING.
BACK IN THE, UH, WHERE THE UNITS WERE ON BOTH SIDES, ARE WE LOOKING AT SIDEWALKS IN FRONT OF ALL THE HOUSING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD OR? YES.
JUST MAKE SURE I GOT MY ANSWER RIGHT.
YES, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE HAD TALKED TO YOU AND THE BOARD ABOUT.
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SIDE THAT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ANY UNITS ON IT, BUT WE ARE MAKING THE FULL SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS ON BOTH.UH, SO IN TERMS OF REVIEW LETTERS, WE HAD SUBMITTED, UM, LIKE I MENTIONED, WE ACTUALLY HAD RECEIVED A SET OF LETTERS.
WE HAD MET WITH STAFF, WE HAD CLEANED UP LETTERS.
AND WERE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT WITH, UM, A SECOND SET OF CLEANED UP LETTERS.
SO WE HAVE A GILMORE ASSOCIATE'S LETTER DATED FEBRUARY 23RD, AND WE HAVE A MCMAHON ASSOCIATE'S LETTER DATED FEBRUARY 27TH.
UM, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A FIRE MARSHAL REVIEW LETTER FROM JANUARY 17TH THAT WAS BASED ON THE FIRST SUBMISSION OF THE PLAN.
UM, THOSE GEN THOSE COMMENTS ARE WILL COMPLY.
HE HAS NOT ISSUED LIKE AN UPDATED REVIEW LETTER YET.
BUT IN TERMS OF THOSE COMMENTS, UM, THOSE ARE WILL COMPLY.
UM, AND I WOULD SAY IN GENERAL, THE COMMENTS IN BOTH OF THESE LETTERS ARE, UM, WILL COMPLY.
FOR THE MOST PART WE ARE REQUESTING, UM, SEVERAL WAIVERS.
SO I, I PROBABLY WILL CALL UP FOLKS HERE TO, TO WALK THROUGH THOSE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT UNLESS YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT SPECIFIC THINGS IN THERE, REVIEW LETTERS.
I WASN'T NECESSARILY INTENDING TO SPEND TONIGHT TO GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ONE IN DETAIL.
UM, PARTICULARLY IN MCMAHON'S LETTER, I WOULD SAY THERE ARE A LOT OF TECHNICAL THINGS IN THERE AND, UM, AND SPEAKING WITH OUR CIVIL AND TRAFFIC ENGINEER, HE BELIEVES THAT HE WILL BE ABLE TO FURTHER ADDRESS AND COMPLY WITH THOSE ITEMS. WELL, THIS MEETING'S GOING KIND OF FAST, ALISON, SO WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH EVERY DETAIL
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO EARN OUR PAYCHECK.
SO THE ONE THING I WILL NOTE FOR, SO STARTING WITH GILMORE'S LETTER, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF ZONING COMMENTS IN HERE.
MOST OF THESE COMMENTS RELATE TO THE FACT THAT WE DO HAVE, UM, STEVE SLOPES ON THIS SITE AND WE WILL NEED SPECIAL EXCEPTION APPROVAL TO DO CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS IN STEVE SLOPES.
UM, AND AS WE GET FURTHER INTO CONSERVATION DISTRICT REVIEW OF THE PLAN, WE JUST WANTED TO BE FURTHER ALONG WITH THE ENGINEERING BEFORE WE ACTUALLY FILED THAT APPLICATION, UM, WITH THE ZONING HEARING BOARD TO MAKE SURE WE ARE PRECISE IN THE RELIEVER REQUESTING, UM, UNDER SUBDIVISION AND LAND DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THERE ARE A FEW DIFFERENT COMMENTS ON LANDSCAPING CLEANUP, UM, YOU KNOW, PLAN LABELS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE WELL COMPLY.
UM, THERE, AS I MENTIONED, THERE ARE SEVERAL WAIVERS.
AND SO WHAT I'LL DO IS SORT OF POINT YOU TO A COMMENT AND EXPLAIN, UM, A WAIVER REQUEST.
SO UNDER GILMORE'S LETTER ON PAGE REALLY IS PAGE SIX OF THE LETTER, BUT IT'S COMMENT SIX, WHICH STARTS A COUPLE PAGES BACK.
UM, WE ARE PROVIDING OPEN SPACE, THE OPEN SPACE AND REC LAND AS CALCULATED.
UM, THE ONE THING WE'RE NOT DOING HERE SPECIFICALLY IS, AS I MENTIONED THIS, THIS SITE AS, AS YOU KNOW, HAS STEEP SLOPES ON IT.
IT ALSO HAS FLOODPLAIN, WETLANDS, ET CETERA.
SO WE ARE PROVIDING ALL OF THE OPEN SPACE.
UM, WE'RE NOT JUST, WE'RE JUST NOT PROVIDING, THERE'S A CERTAIN PORTION OF IT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE 2% OF GRADE IN DRY GROUND RECREATION AREA.
AND WE DO HAVE SOME, BUT WE DON'T TOTALLY MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.
SO IT'S REALLY A PARTIAL WAIVER OF THAT.
WE DO OTHERWISE OVERALL EXCEED THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS.
SO IT'S JUST THAT CERTAIN AREAS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE GRADED AT 2%.
AND WE DO HAVE SOME OF THOSE USABLE AREAS THAT ARE, THAT ARE MEETING THAT 2% REQUIREMENT SORT OF IN POCKETS NEXT TO UNITS SORT OF HERE, SORT OF ALONG THIS FRONTAGE, THIS PLAN DOESN'T HIGHLIGHT IT.
THERE IS A SEPARATE OPEN SPACE PLAN THAT HIGHLIGHTS IT BACK HERE.
THEN THERE'S AREA ON THE NORTH SIDE AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, THE TRAIL AND THE TRAIL CONNECTION EVEN THOUGH THERE AREN'T SPECIFIC REC FACILITIES ON THIS SITE.
YOU SAID THERE IS NOT REC FACILITIES ON THIS SITE? YEAH, THERE'S NOT, I MEAN OTHER THAN THE TRAIL ITSELF, WE'RE NOT DOING LIKE A TOT LOT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
SO THE WAIVER IS ONLY FOR THE PROVISION THAT SAYS THAT YOU MUST HAVE, ESSENTIALLY THAT YOU MUST HAVE DRY GROUND RECREATION AREA OF 60%.
IF WE INCLUDE THE TRAIL WE HAVE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE 66.9%.
BUT THEN YOU MUST HAVE 50% OF THE DRY GROUND RECREATION AREA USE MUST BE 2% FINISHED GRADE.
IT'S VERY PRECISE AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S THE THING THAT WE ARE NOT
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MEETING, WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE 1.97 ACRES OF 2.2% FINISHED GRADE AND WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 9.4 ACRE.SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT QUITE AT THAT 2% LEVEL.
UM, THE OVERALL OPEN SPACE IS ACTUALLY GREATER THAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY, THEY BREAK DOWN THOSE SPECIFIC PROVISIONS IN THERE.
I KNOW THAT ONE'S VERY TECHNICAL, BUT
THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE FLAT, THE FLAT GROUND, BUT THEY ARE IN EXCESS OF PROVIDING THE OPEN SPACE IN GENERAL THAT'S REQUIRED.
SO YOU'RE ASKING US TO GIVE YOU WAIVER ON THAT? IS THAT JUST, YEAH, JUST, JUST ON THAT PIECE.
AND THE ORDINANCE ITSELF ACTUALLY CALLS OUT THAT, ON THAT SECTION THAT THE BOARD HAS THE ABILITY TO WAIVE THAT PARTICULAR SECTION SORT OF INDEPENDENTLY OF THE FULL WAIVER REQUIREMENT IN CASES OF EXCEPTIONAL TOPOGRAPHY WATER COURSES AND TREE COVERAGE.
AND WE HAVE EXCEPTIONAL TOPOGRAPHY HERE.
SO YOU WOULD RECOMMEND THAT JOHN, YOU WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S, THAT MEETS OR THAT WOULD BE OKAY FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT? YEAH, AS LONG AS, AS LONG AS YOU ARE FINE WITH NO TOT LOT PER SE.
BUT YES, AS FAR AS THE EXCEPTIONAL GRADE OF THE SITE, ABSOLUTELY.
SO, SO REALLY WHAT, WHAT WE NEED TO DECIDE IS THAT IF WE'RE OKAY WITH NOT HAVING THAT RECREATIONAL, WHAT DO YOU CALL
I MEAN, OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF RECREATIONAL, SOME OTHER KIND OF RECREATIONS ON THE SITE.
I MEAN, WE DO HAVE THE TRAIL, WE ARE PROVIDING A TRAIL CONNECTION, RIGHT.
ULTIMATELY DOWN TO THE, THE PERCU TRAIL.
UM, AND THEN JEN NOTES IN HER REVIEW LETTER THAT THERE, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, FIELDS, BASKETBALL COURTS, PLAYGROUND LESS THAN A MILE AWAY FROM THIS SITE.
SO THEY, YEAH, TOWNHOUSE USER ISN'T, YOU KNOW, NECESSARILY PROJECTED TO HAVE, IT'S NOT YOUR, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.
UH, UH, ALLISON, WHAT, WHAT'S CHANGED, UH, FROM THE PRELIMINARY TO THIS? HAS THERE BEEN ANY MAJOR, ANY OTHER MAJOR CHANGES? CAUSE I DON'T RECALL, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE, THE DIFFERENT PLANS WE SEE.
I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT THE MAIN THING WAS JUST SORT OF WORKING OUT WHAT WE WERE DOING EXACTLY WITH THE TRAIL, HOW IT WAS CONNECTING, WHERE WE WERE PUTTING A CROSSWALK, MAKING SURE THERE WERE SIDEWALKS THROUGH THE WHOLE SITE.
I MEAN, ORIGINALLY WE HAD ASKED FOR SOME WAIVERS AS IT RELATES TO ALL OF THOSE CONNECTIONS AND WE'RE SHOWING ALL OF THOSE THINGS NOW.
BUT IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL LAYOUT OF HOUSES, UM, STREETS THAT CONNECT TO HOPWOOD ROAD, UM, THE CURVE ITSELF, YOU KNOW, AS WE ARE GOING ALONG, WE'RE FINDING ENGINEERING DETAILS, BUT THAT ALL OF THAT LAYOUT IS STILL, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN 48.
I DON'T, AGAIN, I DON'T RECALL.
SO, UM, THE ONE THING HERE, IF EVERYONE REMEMBERS, THERE IS A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT THAT APPLIES TO THIS PROPERTY TOO, UM, THAT WAS PUT ON THE SITE IN CONNECTION WITH DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
THE ACTUAL, UM, DENSITY THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED BY ZONING IS 52 UNITS, BUT THAT RESTRICTIVE COVENANT LIMIT LIMITS IT TO 48.
SO WE ARE DOING 48 ON THE PROPERTY.
SO THEN THE NEXT WAIVER, UM, WHICH IS ACTUALLY NUMBER IN COMMENT NUMBER 12 OF JEN'S LETTER ON PAGE SEVEN.
AND THEN THIS IS ALSO A, UM, ROAD RELATED WAIVER.
SO IT'S ALSO LISTED IN MCMAHON'S REVIEW LETTER, UM, RELATES TO, UM, THE MINIMUM CENTER LINE RADIUS ALONG LOCAL STREETS.
UH, 150 FEET IS REQUIRED AND THERE IS A 75 FOOT CENTER LINE RADIUS ALONG THE INTERNAL ROADWAYS.
AND SINCE THIS ONE IS TECHNICAL, I WOULD ASK ROUGH JUST TO COME UP AND GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN EXPLANATION ABOUT THAT.
AS ALLISON MENTIONED, JUST STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE FOR THE RECORD.
UH, RUSS LONG FROM BOGE ENGINEERED, AS ALLISON MENTIONED, WE'RE GOING TO, UH, HAVE, UH, 75 FOOT RADIUS, UH, ROAD HERE, HERE AND UP HERE, UH, TO PROVIDE THE, THE SPACE NEEDED FOR UNITS.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE WAIVER FROM THE 150 FOOT REQUIREMENT, UM, TO ASSIST US WITH THE LAYOUT AND DESIGN HERE.
UH, PART OF THE ASKING FOR THE WAIVER IS, IS GOING THROUGH A, A PROCESS OF PROVIDING TRUCK TURN PLANS THAT SHOW THAT YOUR GENERAL USE VEHICLES CAN, CAN ACTUALLY NAVIGATE THROUGH THIS AREA.
AND, UM, ONE OF THE POINTS TO, TO BRING UP IS THAT WE'RE AT A PARKING ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD ONLY, WHICH THERE, THAT DOES ASSIST
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WITH THE, UH, WITH THE TRUCK TURN MOVEMENTS THROUGH THESE, THESE 75 FOOT, UH, RADIUS CORNERS.WHAT ABOUT THE FIRE MARSHAL? HE HAS, UM, LOOKED AT PLANS AND WE NEED TO DOUBLE BACK WITH HIM AND GET HIS APPROVAL.
I THINK HE'S, HE NEEDS TO COMMENT ON THE REVISED PLAN SET.
YEAH, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO US IS, YOU KNOW, THE MOVING VANS OBVIOUSLY IMPORTANT, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO US TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES YEAH.
ARE, CAN MANEUVER THROUGH THERE SAFELY AND ADEQUATELY FOR PROTECTION.
THE SHAPE OF YOUR, THE GENERAL SHAPE OF YOUR ROADS, ISN'T THAT DIFFERENT FROM THE PLAN THE FIRE MARSHAL INITIALLY REVIEWED? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
I MEAN, I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR HIM AND HE STILL DOES NEED TO LOOK AT THE REVISED PLANS, BUT WE HAD A SHORT TURNAROUND ON THESE, SO HE DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
WAS HE AWARE OF THE WAIVER THEY'RE ASKING FOR ON THIS AT THIS POINT? YES, BECAUSE IT WAS, IT WAS MENTIONED FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
SO I THINK THE ONE, ONE THING THAT HAS CHANGED SINCE HE'S SEEN THAT IS THE PARKING ON ONE SIDE.
THAT'S BEEN FI WE'VE, WE'VE MADE A DETERMINATION OF WHERE WE WANT THAT NO PARKING TO BE.
AND I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE HE'S SEEN THAT YET.
SO ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD APPROVE HERE TONIGHT, WE WOULD PUT THAT CAVEAT ON BASED ON THE FIRE MARSHAL, UH, APPROVING THAT WAIVER.
NO, I MEANT AFTER, I JUST MEANT WE WEREN'T THAT FAR ALONG YET WITH THE ENGINEERING TO ACTUALLY GO TO ZONING, BUT WE ARE LOOKING FOR RECORDS.
UM, SO THEN THE, THE NEXT ONE, LEMME GET BACK TO WHERE I WAS, IS, UM, NUMBER 16 IN, UH, THE GILMORE REVIEW LETTER.
AND THEN IT, SINCE THIS IS ALSO, UM, ROAD RELATED, IT'S THE SECOND WAIVER LISTED IN MCMAHON'S REVIEW LETTER.
UM, THIS PERTAINS TO COLLECTOR ROADS.
UM, THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES A MINIMUM RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH OF 80 FOOT FEET AND A MINIMUM PAVEMENT WIDTH, A 40 FEET.
UM, SINCE WE ARE, UM, TYING BACK INTO EXISTING ROAD NETWORK, UM, THERE WILL BE TIE, TIE IT LIKE SORT OF TAPER TIE BACK IN.
SO STRICTLY ACROSS THE ENTIRE SITE, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY A HUNDRED PERCENT MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.
UM, JUST TO MAKE IT WORK WITH, UM, THE EXISTING ROADWAY.
UM, IF THERE'S, IF YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING, I DON'T KNOW, I KNOW YOU JUST SAT DOWN, BUT THAT'S, I CAN USE THE EXERCISE.
UH, WHAT ALLISON'S REFERRING TO IS THE, UH, AREA UP HERE, UH, OF HOPWOOD AND DOWN BELOW HERE, UH, IS THE CLEAN STREETS, UH, DESIGN.
AND WE'RE GOING TO MATCH THAT.
SO AS YOU COME THROUGH HOPWOOD UH, DRIVING, YOU DON'T SEE A CHANGE IN THE ROAD OTHER THAN IT BEING NEW.
IT WON'T BE CHANGING IN WIDTH.
THE SHOULDERS ARE THE SAME SIZE, THE CURVES IN THE SAME LOCATION, BUT THE CURVE IS GONNA BE CHANGED.
WE WE'RE GONNA SOFTEN THIS CURVE HERE, THIS CURVE AND THE, THIS CURVE HERE AT THE BOTTOM, WHICH IS GOOD.
WELL I'M GONNA, ALICE I'M GONNA GO TO OUR, OUR, OUR CONSULTANTS HERE AND LET THEM MAKE THEIR COMMENTS CAUSE THIS IS WHERE WE REALLY GET OUR EXPERTISE.
SO TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE INTENDING ON OFFERING THE FULL 80 FOOT FOR DEDICATION, BUT THE PAVEMENT WIDTH WOULD BE LESS THAN THE 40 PARTIAL WAIVER KIND OF? EXACTLY.
SO ACROSS OUR SITE THERE WOULD BE THE 80 FOOT, THE 80 FOOT RIGHT OF AWAY, RIGHT AWAY AND THE WIDTH ITSELF.
SO HAVE THE CART WAY YOU WANNA MAKE SURE STAYS CONSISTENT.
AND THEN ANYTHING OFF THE SITE, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY IS TODAY, BUT YEAH.
NOPE, AS LONG AS IT'S THE 80 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, THEN I'M GOOD.
SO I'LL DEFER TO ANTHONY FOR THE CART WAY.
YEAH, SO WE WE'RE AGREEABLE TO THAT, OBVIOUSLY THE 80 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY CUZ THAT'S WHAT WE HAD BEEN DISCUSSING AND THE CART WAY 32 AS RUSS HAD MENTIONED.
SO WE HAD DISCUSSED THAT FROM THE OUTSET TO ENSURE THAT WE MATCH WHAT'S HAPPENING ALONG HOPWOOD.
SO IT'S NOT TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
UM, AND WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH THE LANES, THE WAY THEY'RE LAID OUT, 11 FOOT LANES, FIVE FOOT SHOULDERS, WE FEEL IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING ALONG, UH, HOPWOOD ROAD.
UM, AND ALSO OBVIOUSLY THE LARGER YOU MAKE THE ROADWAYS, THE MORE, UH, POTENTIALLY YOU INCREASE SPEEDS, I GUESS ALONG THE ROADWAY TOO.
SO IT, IT KIND OF WORKS AGAINST YOU.
SO IN THIS CASE, WE WERE AGREEABLE TO THAT WAIVER CAUSE WE FEEL THAT THE, THE LANES AND THE SHOULDERS THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING THROUGHOUT HERE IS CONSISTENT WITH, UM, WITH HOPWOOD ROAD AND IT WORKS FOR TRAFFIC AND THE DESIGN, SO.
UM, SO, SO THE NEXT WAIVER IS NUMBER 17 IN THE GILMORE LETTER.
UM, THIS IS, UH, CHAPTER 1 54 26 A.
UM, AND THIS RELATES TO SLOPES AND TIE IN.
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I'M JUST GONNA HAVE YOU EXPLAIN THIS ONE THROUGH THE DESIGN PHASE.WE'VE IDENTIFIED AN AREA DOWN IN THIS GENERAL AREA HERE WHERE, UH, STEEP SLOPES EXIST IN THE TREE LINE HERE.
AND AS WE'RE GRADING OUT FROM THE ROAD TO THE HOUSE, WE NEED TO HAVE A, A SLOPE, AN ENGINEERED SLOPE FROM HERE DOWN TO MEET THE EXISTING GRADE.
UM, UH, THE ORDINANCE CALLS FOR A THREE TO ONE SLOPE, WHICH IS THREE FEET HORIZONTAL, ONE FOOT VERTICAL.
AND, AND IF WE PROVIDE THE THREE FOOT SLOPE, A THREE TO ONE SLOPE, WE WON'T BE TYING IN TO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO OUR, TO THE CREEK, TO THE BOUNDARY LINE HERE.
SO I, I'VE ELECTED TO USE A TWO AND A HALF TO ONE, UH, SLOPE, WHICH ALLOWS US TO TIE INTO THE EXISTING MUCH CLOSER TO OUR DEVELOPMENT AND NOT IMPACT THE STEEP SLOPES AS MUCH.
UH, THIS WILL COME WITH, UM, UH, AN E NS, AN EROSION CONTROL MATTING THAT WILL BE ON THE SLOPE TO GIVE IT STABILITY, TO PREVENT EROSION.
THAT'S A STANDARD PRACTICE WITH A STEEP SLOPE, AN ENGINEERED SLOPE LIKE THAT.
SO WE'LL HAVE A WAIVER FOR THAT THREE TO ONE, GOING TO A TWO AND A HALF ONE, I REFER TO JEN AGAIN,
SO WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE E N S PLANS AS THEY'VE STATED, THEY WILL COME ALONG.
UM, THEY DO HAVE EXCEPTIONAL GRADE ON THIS AREA.
YOU SAID ENGINEERED SLOPE IN THERE.
SO FOLLOW STANDARD CONSTRUCTION PRACTICES, COMPACTED GRADE NEEDS TO BE STABILIZED SO THAT YOU CAN BUILD THE HOUSES AT THE TOP OF IT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO IF THEY MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS, THEN YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT SLIGHT TWO AND A HALF TO THREE, THREE AND A HALF TO TWO OR THREE TO TWO, TWO AND A HALF, TWO AND A HALF TO ONE.
TWO AND A HALF TO ONE, WHATEVER.
THE COUNTY WILL PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE FOR BUILDING THAT SLOPE AS WELL, WHICH WILL FOLLOW WHAT, UH, COMMENTS THEY HAVE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WHILE WE'RE AT THIS POINT? OKAY.
UM, AND THE LAST WAIVER WE ARE REQUESTING, UM, IS ACTUALLY NOT LISTED IN THE REVIEW LETTERS, ALTHOUGH IT WAS ON OUR WAIVER REQUEST LIST AND IT PERTAINS TO, UM, LANDSCAPING AND THAT IS SPECIFIC TO THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE AND THE WEST PROPERTY LINE.
UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO RETAIN EXISTING VEGETATION IN THAT AREA AND THEN CREATE, THERE IS A BUFFER THAT'S REQUIRED, UM, AND A BERM AS WELL CHOSE ON THE MAP WERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DEAR.
AND SO I'M GONNA HAVE LISA THOMAS, WHO'S OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT COME UP, BUT ESSENTIALLY WE'RE STILL GOING TO PROVIDE ALL OF IT.
WE'RE JUST GONNA SHIFT IT BACK SO WE CAN RETAIN EXISTING VEGETATION ALONG THOSE PROPERTY LINES.
GOOD EVENING, LISA THOMAS FROM THOMAS PANZA.
UM, SO RIGHT ALONG HERE ON THE NORTHERN END, WE'VE PUT OUR BUFFER AND OUR BERM.
UM, SO THERE'S LEAVING ALL THE EXISTING VEGETATION UNTOUCHED BETWEEN THAT AND THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE REAR OF THE HOMES.
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE PULLED IT A LITTLE OFF THE PROPERTY LINE CLOSER TO THE HOMES, UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO TAKE ALL OF THIS DOWN AND ESPECIALLY EVEN DOWN BACK AND THROUGH HERE, WE'VE BEEN VERY CAREFUL ABOUT, UH, AND IMPACTING THE EXISTING VEGETATION.
THEN PART OF THAT IS WHAT RUSS WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH THE SLOPES AND GETTING THE WAIVER ON THAT IS WE REALLY DO WANNA SAVE AS MUCH VEGETATION AS POSSIBLE.
SO ALL OF THE COMPONENTS ARE THERE, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE JUST NOT PUSHED RIGHT UP AGAINST THE PROPERTY.
I YEAH, I I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BAD THING.
I ASSUME THE NEIGHBORS LIKE THAT ON MORGAN ROAD THERE, RIGHT? I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD WANT THAT.
WELL, WE'LL GET THOSE, WE'LL GET THOSE NEIGHBORS UP HERE.
BUT, UH, I WOULD HOPE THEY WOULD LIKE THAT.
THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S A FAIR, A FAIR COMPROMISE.
SO DOES SHE FEEL ANY DIFFERENT? YES, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD THINK.
THEY WOULD LIKE THAT AND IT'S A NICE OPPORTUNITY, I THINK.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT FROM ANYBODY? JEN, ANYTHING ON THAT YOU WANNA ADD OR? I JUST WANNA MENTION THAT THAT AREA IS PART OF THE RESTRICTED COVENANT THAT ALLISON HAD REFERENCED EARLIER AND IN THEIR BERMS ARE REQUIRED AS PART OF THAT BUFFER AND THEY ARE PROVIDING THAT ON THE PLAN.
UM, SO THAT, THAT WAS THE LAST WAIVER REQUEST.
UM, AND AS I SAID, EVERYTHING ELSE AND THESE REVIEW LETTERS IS, IT WILL COMPLY.
I WILL NOTE, AND JUST IN CASE YOU ARE WONDERING BECAUSE THERE WAS A GENERAL COMMENT ABOUT IT, UM, AS YOU KNOW, TH THIS IS GO THIS, THE LOCATION OF HOPWOOD ROAD IS GOING TO CHANGE WHEN WE, UM, DO THE WORK ON THE CURVE.
AND SO THERE IS EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY, UM, IN FRONT OF SOME OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE OFFSITE.
UM, AND SO WE WILL WORK WITH THE TOWNSHIP, UM, PRESUMABLY WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THE TOWNSHIP WOULD LIKE TO VACATE THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT IT'S NO LONGER USING.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A PUBLIC PROCESS
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THAT GOES TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UM, VERSUS HOLDING RIGHT OF WAY THAT WILL THEN TURN INTO A GRASS AREA.I I KNOW THERE WAS A COMMENT IN THERE ABOUT THAT AND I JUST FIGURED PEOPLE MIGHT BE CURIOUS AS TO WHAT THAT WAS REFERRING TO.
SO ALLISON, COULD YOU ALSO DISCUSS THE SAYERS BOTCHED THE NAME SAYERS, THE SUITES DRIVEWAY, JUST GENERALLY.
SO SAT EARTH WEIGHT IS ON THE NORTH SIDE AND THEY, ALTHOUGH MOST OF THEIR PROPERTY IS NOT REALLY, THEY HAVE A VERY, VERY SMALL FRONTAGE ON, UM, HOPWOOD ROAD.
THEIR, THEIR EXISTING DRIVEWAY, WHICH YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE ON HERE BECAUSE OF THE VEGETATION.
IT COMES DOWN SORT OF RIGHT AT OUR PROPERTY LINE AND THEIR DRIVEWAY WILL BE MAINTAINED, BUT EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE SORT OF SHIFTED BACK A LITTLE BIT, UM, INTO THEIR, THEIR DRIVEWAY AREA.
BUT, UM, THEIR CONCERN WAS ALWAYS TO MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING IMPEDED THEIR DRIVEWAY ACCESS.
UM, AND THAT WILL REMAIN WHERE'S THEIR HOUSE THERE AS, UM, YOU KNOW WHERE THEIR HOUSE IS BECAUSE IT'S A BIG PROPERTY.
THIS ONE, RIGHT? YEAH, THE DRIVEWAY ACTUALLY COMES RIGHT HERE.
THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE HOUSE, WHERE THE DRIVEWAY WENT TO.
YEAH, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S AN IRREGULARLY SHAPED PROPERTY THAT GOES BACK AND THEY JUST HAVE A TINY LITTLE BIT OF FRONTAGE DOWN HERE.
I MEAN IT'S A LARGE PROPERTY, BUT I MEAN THE FRONTAGE AND IT SORT OF GOES AWAY FROM THERE, BUT YEP.
WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY HAD ACCESS AND THEY WILL STILL HAVE THEIR ACCESS.
IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO SEE ON THIS.
YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY IT'S JUST HARD TO SEE ON THAT BECAUSE OF ALL THE, THIS PROPERTY IS THE HOPWOOD PROPERTY.
SO THIS IS THE DRIVEWAY HERE YOU CAN SEE THAT THE OH, OKAY.
THE PARCEL LINES AND DON'T TRUST THESE PARCEL LINES CUZ MONTGOMERY COUNTY RECORDER OF DEEDS IS ALWAYS INKY WITH THEIR PARCEL LINES.
SO THEY HAVE ACCESS OUT TO HOPWOOD ROAD AND GALMAN WILL BE CONTINUING THAT ACCESS AND IMPROVING THAT ACCESS A LITTLE BIT FOR THEM.
JUST IN TERMS OF SIGHT LINE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AS THE DRIVEWAY COMES BACK HERE TO THEIR HOUSE.
CUZ IT ACTUALLY PUSHES IN A LITTLE BIT.
SO RIGHT NOW IT'S LIKE ALMOST AS THOUGH A LITTLE PIECE OF THEIR DRIVEWAY IS REALLY ALMOST CLIPPING THE PROPERTY LINE AND IT'LL ACTUALLY PUSH IT BACK IN THAT SENSE.
AND UH, AND I ASSUME YOU'VE, YOU'VE TALKED TO THEM AND YEAH, WE HAVE TALKED TO THEM SEVERAL TIMES.
THEY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND THEY'RE SATISFIED OR YEAH, I MEAN THEY, THEY WERE ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
UM, THEY DO KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE WILL FURTHER MEMORIALIZE THAT WITH THEM AS PART OF OUR PROCESS BEFORE WE GET FINAL PLAN APPROVAL.
UM, I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THAT, THE HOUSING LAYOUT BEFORE I GET THE, UH, NEIGHBORS UP HERE.
UM, SO THERE'S GONNA, UH, BE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD, THERE'S GONNA BE PARKING ONLY ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND IS THERE A ONE CAR, TWO CAR DRIVEWAY OR HOW, HOW DOES THAT WORK? TWO, THERE'S TWO CARS, RIGHT? TWO CAR, TWO CAR DRIVEWAYS.
WELL, MY CONCERN IS, IS THERE ENOUGH PARKING, IF SOMEBODY HAS SOME SORT OF EVENT, IS THERE GONNA BE ENOUGH PARKING FOR EVERYBODY TO PARK THEIR CARS OR ARE WE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD? WHICH THAT MIGHT BE NOT YOUR, THAT MIGHT NOT BE A FAIR QUESTION FOR YOU, BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT JUST PARKING, UM, YOU KNOW, TWO CARS TODAY IS NOT A LOT OF CARS IN A HOUSE, YOU KNOW, UM, AND I DON'T SEE ANY EXTRA PARKING.
THERE'S NO PLACE TO PARK A, IF, YOU KNOW, UNCLE LOUIE COMES FOR A MONTH.
UM, WHEN WE, WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS, OUR ORIGINAL SKETCH PLAN ACTUALLY HAD PERPENDICULAR PULL OFF PARKING AREAS AND THAT WAS SOMETHING DURING THE DESIGN PROCESS WITH THE TOWNSHIP THAT WE WERE ASKED TO ELIMINATE.
DID WE ASK YOU TO DO THAT OR YOU DID NOT SPECIFICALLY ASK US TO DO THAT, BUT IT WAS SORT OF ASKED DURING THE PROCESS.
IT WAS CON YOU KNOW, THE COMMENTS WE GOT FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT INPUT FROM DIFFERENT PARTIES OR IN INTERESTED PARTIES I SHOULD SAY, INVOLVED IN THIS.
I MEAN, CERTAINLY, UM, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T, I RUSS, IF YOU WANT TO JUST POINT OUT WHERE THE VERY, I MEAN, YOU SAID YOU'VE NOW DETERMINED ESSENTIALLY WHERE PARKING'S GONNA BE ON THE ROAD ESSENTIALLY.
WE WERE ASKED TO DO IT AS PARALLEL RATHER THAN PERPENDICULAR PARKING.
UM, BUT I WILL, I WILL DEFER TO RUSS IN TERMS OF EXACTLY HOW YOU LAID THAT OUT.
YEAH, THE NO PARKING AREA IS ON INSIDE OF THE, THE PA IS ON THIS SIDE.
THE SHORTER SIDE WHERE THE HOUSES ARE GENERALLY CLOSER TOGETHER.
SO THE PARKING, THE WHERE THE PARKING IS ALLOWED IS ON THE, THE OUTSIDE WHERE YOU GENERALLY HAVE
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MORE HOUSE, MORE SPACE BETWEEN HOUSES AVAILABLE TO PARK.IT'S PARTICULARLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THERE'S A WHOLE STRETCH THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY HOUSES.
SO I'M NOT SURE THAT IT MA I JUST HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN ABOUT ENOUGH PARKING FOR PEOPLE.
LIKE I SAY TWO CARS TODAY, YOU HAVE A COUPLE TEENAGERS IN YOUR HOUSE.
ANY HOUSE COULD HAVE FOUR CARS WITHOUT TODAY ABOUT BAT OR NOT.
COULD YOU CLARIFY, IS THERE ANY NO PARKING IN THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY OF HOPWOOD? YEP.
YEAH, THE NO PARKING ON THE, UH, THIS SIDE IS ON INSIDE PART OF THE ROOM.
HEY ALISON, I'M GONNA LET SOME NEIGHBORS COME UP AND SEE WHAT THEY SAY AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL TALK SOME MORE.
SO DO I HAVE ANYBODY HERE THAT WANTS TO TALK OR MAKE COMMENTS TO THE BOARD? PLEASE COME UP, IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE.
HI, UH, JOE MCGINTY, 1708 MORGAN LANE.
UM, JUST I GUESS TWO QUESTIONS AND, AND THEN A COMMENT.
UM, I NOTICED IN THE, THE PACKET THAT THERE WAS, THERE'S SOME STILL SOME OPEN ITEMS IN TERMS OF WAIVERS AND APPROVAL.
LIKE IS THAT STUFF THAT HAS STICK AT THE SIDE OF THE, WITHIN THIS PROCESS OR IS THAT BEFORE IT GOES, I GUESS TO THE BOARD OF, SO THIS, THIS BODY MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, BUT AT EACH OF THREE STEPS, BUT THIS IS STEP TWO, THEY'RE SEEKING PRELIMINARY APPROVAL AND THEN ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY'LL COMPLY WITH WON'T BE CLEANED UP BY THE TIME OF FINAL APPROVAL.
TO GET, TO GET FINAL APPROVAL.
UM, AND THEN THE QUESTION JUST ABOUT THE, THE SIDEWALKS ON THE LEFT SIDE, WILL THE SIDEWALK GOING UP HOPWOOD CONNECT TO THE EXISTING SIDEWALK ON HOPWOOD ON THE LEFT SIDE OF IT? YES.
THERE IS EXISTING SIDEWALK THERE.
YEAH, THERE'S A LITTLE GRADING THAT'LL LEAD TO BE DONE TO CONNECT THAT SIDEWALK.
I GET THE SIDEWALK END ABRUPT THEN ELEVATION HERE, CONNECTION.
HEADING ON THE SOUTH END IT SOUTH OUR PROPERTY.
UM, AND, AND ALSO ONE OF THE REASONS I WAS ASKING IS I NOTICED IN THE PACKET THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMENTS AND CONVERSATIONS ABOUT TRAFFIC STUDIES AND SITE DISTANCES.
THAT ROAD, THAT 35 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT, EVEN A 40 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT.
I LIVE THREE HOUSES IN OFF OF HOPWOOD.
YOU KNOW THAT, IT'S HARD TO TELL FROM THAT PICTURE THAT, THAT THERE'S A LOT OF STEEP SLOPES ON THAT ROAD.
AND IF THEY'RE GONNA SOFTEN THOSE CURVES, PEOPLE ALREADY FLY AROUND THOSE CURVES AND THOSE CURVES ARE GONNA BE SOFTENED NOW.
LIKE I THINK WE SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT WE'RE DOING IN TERMS OF SITE DISTANCES AND WHAT WE'RE USING IN TERMS OF, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SPEED.
AND, YOU KNOW, I ASKED ABOUT THE SIDEWALK BECAUSE THE PARK ON HOPWOOD IS YOU, YOU KNOW, ON THE, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT PAGE.
SO PEOPLE, IF THEY'RE ON, ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT DEVELOPMENT, IF THEY WANT TO GO UP TO THE PARK AT HOPWOOD, THEY HAVE TO CROSS HOPWOOD.
SO YOU'RE GONNA BE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO CROSS OVER HOPWOOD.
I'M JUST THINKING, JUST THINK ABOUT THE SPEED AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AS YOU'RE, AS YOU'RE DOING YOUR, THANK YOU.
ANTHONY, YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT AT ALL OR ANYTHING YOU WANNA SAY ABOUT THAT? OR IS THAT ALL STILL TO BE DETERMINED WHAT THE SPEED WILL BE EVENTUALLY ON THAT? UH, YEAH, I THINK THOSE ARE, UH, FAIR CONCERNS.
THEY'VE BEEN CONCERNS I GUESS THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING AS PART OF THE PROCESS FOR SURE.
UM, THINKING ABOUT THE PEDESTRIAN INTERACTION AND CROSSING ALONG HOPWOOD, WE'RE AWARE OF THE STEEP SLOPES AND THAT CURVE, I GUESS IT'S OUT THERE TODAY.
UM, SO WHAT WE WORKED OUT, AND I THINK WHAT'S SHOWN ON THIS, WE STILL HAVE SOME ISSUES, IS STILL FLUSH OUT IN TERMS OF SITE DISTANCE.
UM, WE TOOK SOME PRELIMINARY LOOKING, LOOKING INTO THAT I GUESS DURING THIS PARTICULAR REVIEW.
UM, BUT WE DO WANT SOME, SOME ADDITIONAL SIGHT LINE PROFILES THAT WERE MENTIONED IN OUR LETTER THAT SOUND LIKE, UH, THE APPLICANT TEAM WILL PROVIDE, UH, TO ENSURE THAT THE APPROACH FOR THAT CROSSING ON FROM BOTH DIRECTIONS IS, IS VISIBLE AND MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR THAT SPEED AND POTENTIALLY MORE, YOU KNOW, MORE VISIBILITY THE BETTER.
UM, SO WE'RE THE LOCATION OF THE CROSSING RIGHT NOW, I THINK BASED ON THE PROFILE SEEMS TO BE SITUATED NOW IN THE, IN THE, THE SPOT THAT MAXIMIZES THAT SITE DISTANCE.
SO WE ARE MAKE SURE TO CONFIRM ALL THAT THROUGH THE PROCESS AS WE CONTINUE TO WORK OUT OUR, UM, THE FINAL REVIEW OF THE DETAILS AS THEY GIVE REVISED.
BUT THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE FAIR CONCERNS.
WE, WE GAVE THAT CONSIDERATION AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE APPROPRIATE SITE DISTANCES IS PROVIDED BEFORE EVERYTHING IS SAID AND DONE.
W THERE'LL BE A CROSSWALK UP THERE AT MORGAN AND IN HOPWOOD.
IS THERE A CROSSWALK? THERE'S NOT A CROSSWALK THERE NOW, I WOULD ASSUME THERE IS A
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CROSSWALK THAT GOES, UH, ACROSS THE FRONT OF MORGAN, BUT NOT HOPWOOD.YEAH, CROSS MORGAN, BUT NOT A CROSS HOPWOOD.
AND FOR, ARE WE PROPOSING ANYTHING CROSS HOPWOOD? OKAY.
YEAH, WE ARE, WE ARE, UH, PROPOSING TO RES STRIKE, UM, A CONTINENTAL CROSSWALK HERE ACROSS BORDER AS FAR AS CROSSWALK.
WELL I THINK HEARING IN THE CONCERNS THAT BETWEEN YOU AND ANTHONY COULD TALK THAT OUT AND SEE WHAT, UH, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ANTHONY THINKS NEEDS TO BE DONE THERE.
BUT, UM, THAT WOULD, TO ME, THAT WOULD SEEM TO BE A, A A A, AN EASY IMPROVEMENT TO GIVE THE PEOPLE ON MORGAN, UH, FEELING SAFE IF THE, IF THE SPEED IS INCREASED, ANYBODY HAS TO CROSS UP AT THAT LE UP AT THAT END OF THE, UH, UP AT THAT END OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
BUT I'LL LET THAT UP TO ANTHONY AND YOU TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
SEEMS LIKE A LEGITIMATE CONCERN.
ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE COMMUNITY? YES SIR.
PLEASE COME UP, IDENTIFY YOURSELF.
HI, I'M JOHN GENTILE, 1704 MORGAN LANE.
UM, SO WITH PARALLEL PARKING, IS IT, IS IT, DOES IT LOOK LIKE ANYTHING? IS IT, ARE THERE LINES ON THIS STREET? JUST YOU'RE JUST ALLOWED TO PARK ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET, THAT'S ALL IT'S, YEP.
UM, WITH THE RAIN GARDEN RETENTION BASINS THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY, HOW DO YOU PREVENT THOSE FROM BECOMING LIKE HAVENS OR MOSQUITOES, RIGHT? I'M SURE THERE'S DRAINAGE, BUT, AND I'M SURE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICATIONS ON HOW THESE NEED TO BE CONSTRUCTED, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT, THE ANSWER TO THAT.
YEAH, I'LL LET RUSS ANSWER THAT IN MORE DETAIL, BUT THERE'S A DEWATERING REQUIREMENT UNDER PENNSYLVANIA REGULATIONS TO, FOR THAT VERY REASON.
THE RAIN GARDEN DESIGN WILL HEY RUSS.
COME UP TO SPEAKER UP THE MIC CAUSE IT'S BEING RECORDED AND SURE.
CAN WE MAKE SURE YOU GET HEARD? UH, THE RAINWATER DESIGN, UH, IS BOTH UNDER THE TOWNSHIP GUIDELINES AND THE COUNT, UH, GUIDELINES OF D E P OR THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
AND THE DESIGN FOR THE RAIN GARDENS IS THAT IT DE WATERS 72 TO 96 HOURS.
THE WATER DRAINS OUT THERE ARE WETLAND, WET WETLAND TYPE PLANTS THAT ARE PLANTED IN THE BOTTOM OF THE RAIN GARDEN, HENCE THE GARDEN PART OF IT.
AND THOSE PLANTS USE THAT WATER TO GROW.
SO THEY ABSORB THE WATER AND, UH, DON'T LEAVE ANY PONDING BEHIND.
AND THEY ARE DESIGNED TO, UH, DRAIN OUT.
THERE IS A PIPE, THERE'S AN OUTLET STRUCTURE, UH, IN, IN THE EVENT OF, UH, MORE WATER THAN WHAT'S DESIGNED FOR THE, THE WATER CAN ESCAPE AND UH, AND DRAIN OUT IN 72 96 HOURS.
AND THEY ARE MAINTAINED BY A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION.
MY EXPERIENCE, I'VE SEEN A NUMBER OF TIMES, ELMWOOD PARK ZOO WOULD BE A GOOD ONE.
UM, THEY'RE BUILDING THE SUMMERTIME, GET THESE TORRENTIAL DOWNPOURS AT NIGHT AND NOTHING IS STABILIZED YET.
UM, EVENTUALLY WHEN IT'S ALL STABILIZED AND EVERYTHING, IT'S FINE.
UM, DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF THE SIZE OF THE BERM YET? HAVE YOU GUYS LOOKED AT THE HEIGHT OF THE BERM ON, ON THE NORTH SIDE, WEST SIDE, WHICHEVER ONE OF YOU.
WHY DON'T YOU JUST STAND UP HERE, RUSS? I JUST, WHY YOU GETTING UP AND DOWN? GET YOU THE TEMPORARY, YOU DON'T TO GET TO THE MIC? CAN'T HELP.
UM, YEAH, SO WE'VE, THE BERM DOES CHANGE IN SIZE, BUT PRIMARILY IT IS FOUR FEET HIGH AND APPROXIMATELY EIGHT FEET WIDE AT THE TOP.
SO THAT GIVES IT, YOU KNOW, 25 OR 30 FEET IN WIDTH AT THE BOTTOM.
AND IT DOES CHANGE BASED ON WHERE THE LOCATION OF IT IS.
SHOW US ON THERE WITH YOUR POINTER WHERE THAT BERM IS GOING TO BE.
SO THE BERM PRIMARILY COMES THIS WAY.
UH, AND THERE'S ALSO BERM HERE THAT STRETCHES ALL THE WAY AROUND HERE.
SO I ONLY HAVE ONE OTHER, UM, I WOULDN'T JUST SIT DOWN, RUSS.
I ALREADY TOLD HIM
SO THIS IS, THIS IS JUST A COMMENT ON THE STRUCTURAL DESIGN.
I KNOW YOU GUYS AREN'T PRESENTING ANYTHING, BUT THERE ARE, UM, IN THIS BOTTOM LITTLE SECTION BELOW THE, THE, THE RENDERING THERE TWO NEW HOMES THERE THAT ARE THESE, UM, MODERN LOOKING HOMES.
WHICH DON'T NO, YOU'RE WITH THEM THAT DON'T FIT ANYTHING IN THE, IN THE AREA.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I THINK I, I CERTAINLY, MYSELF AND I SPEAK FOR OTHERS THAT I'VE TALKED TO, WE'D LIKE TO SEE IT MORE OF A TRADITIONAL STYLE, UM, HOME BEING BUILT THAT FITS MORE OF THE ENTIRE AREA ALL THE WAY ALONG HOPWOOD.
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UH, AND SO THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT THAT I HAD.I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY.
DO YOU, DO YOU GUYS HAVE, DO DO YOU GUYS HAVE A SENSE ALISON? SO, UM, WE WERE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE CONCEPTUAL ELEVATIONS AT CONDITIONAL USE, BUT THE, UM, ORDINANCES ITSELF HAVE IT SITTING RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THERE ARE SOME ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN GUIDELINES IN THERE SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATES TO TWIN OR TOWN HOMES IN THE Y M U DISTRICT.
AND SO THAT WILL HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED TO JEFF GRACE FOR REVIEW MM-HMM.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING ARCHITECTURAL ISN'T NECESSARILY SPECIFICALLY PART OF LAND DEVELOPMENT, BUT YES, IT'LL COME INTO OKAY.
AND WE'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO LAY IN ON IT.
BOTH THE SUPERVISORS MEETING AND THEY HAVE TO COME BACK FOR FINAL APPROVAL TO US.
WELL, THAT'S THE, THE, THE BUILDING REVIEW DESIGN GUIDELINE REVIEW COMPLIANCE ISN'T NECESSARILY, ISN'T TYPICALLY PART OF THAT.
NOW, IF, IF THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, I CAN SET UP A MEETING WITH JOHN AND, AND TALK TO HIM ABOUT THAT ONCE YOU SUBMIT DRAWINGS TO ME, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF, UM, AND THERE, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ROOM FOR, YOU KNOW, I, I CAN'T NOT LIKE A ZONING VARIANCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF ROOM TO MAKE A LOT OF CHANGES TO THESE PLANS, BUT I CAN BRING YOU IN IF THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT ONCE THEY PROVIDE THE PLANS TO ME AND WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THEM AND TALK ABOUT THEM.
I MEAN, AT THIS POINT WE'RE NOT EVEN SURE IF GALMAN WILL BE THE BUILDER OR THERE WILL BE A DIFFERENT BUILDER.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CERTAINLY ADDRESS WITH YOU DOWN THE LINE.
I DON'T HAVE GREAT ANSWER, SO DON'T OKAY.
ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SAY A FEW WORDS? OKAY.
NOT HEARING ANY, ALLISON, ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANNA PRESENT? NOTHING ELSE THIS EVENING.
IF YOU COULD UPDATE YOUR WAIVER REQUEST LETTER BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE TONIGHT, WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS THEY MAKE TONIGHT FOR THE BOARD MEETING FOR THE END OF THE MONTH.
I, I REALIZED THE, THE WAIVER AS IT RELATES TO THE SLOPE IS NOT SPECIFICALLY IN OUR WAIVER LETTER.
SO WE WILL ADD THAT, UM, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS NOTED THAT IT WAS EITHER YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THIS OR REQUEST A WAIVER.
THOSE WE'RE REPRESENTING TONIGHT, WE WILL COMPLY WITH, SO WE WILL NOT BE REQUESTING A WAIVER FOR THIS.
AND, AND IF YOU NEED A WAIVER FOR THAT, WE CAN DO THAT DURING FINAL PLAN.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE.
AT THIS POINT THOUGH, WE THINK THAT WE SH SHOULD, IF I, I COULD JUST HAVE AN UPDATED LETTER, I WOULD, IT MAKES IT CLEAR FOR THE BOARD ABSOLUTELY.
SO, UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THIS BOARD? ANY, ANY, ANYTHING THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE ALISON UNDERSTANDS OUR CONCERNS? UH, AGAIN, I I JUST THROW OUT AGAIN, THE PARKING.
I WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S A CONCERN, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT, HOW THAT CAN BE FIXED.
BUT ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY CONCERNS? AND, AND HOW ABOUT I, I AGREE WITH YOU.
I, I HATE WHEN I DON'T SEE ENOUGH PARKING FOR PEOPLE, BUT ALLISON OR, UH, JEN OR, UH, ANTHONY, ANYTHING MORE FOR YOU GUYS? NO, NOT SPECIFICALLY FOR TONIGHT.
WHEN THEY, UH, RESUBMIT PLANS IN THE FUTURE, THEY'LL HAVE THE STORMWATER AND E N S COMPONENT IN THERE.
SO WE WILL GENERATE MORE COMMENTS AT THAT TIME.
SO JOE, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO HERE? WELL, THE, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS ANOTHER, OH, ONE MORE COMMENT.
I MEAN, YOU DO, YOU DO HAVE DRIVEWAYS.
I MEAN, IF IT'S A TWO CAR GARAGE, IT'S TWO CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY TOO.
SO TECHNICALLY SPEAKING FOR EVERY UNIT, YOU WOULD THEORETICALLY, IF THE CARS ARE IN THE GARAGE OF THE HOMEOWNER, HAVE AN ADDITIONAL TWO SPOTS OF PARKING.
AND I, I AGREE WITH THAT, MR. JUDGE, EXCEPT FOR THE COMMUNITY I LIVE IN, WE HAVE THAT TOO.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE FILL UP THEIR GARAGES WITH A LOT MORE STUFF THAN CARS
THERE, THERE IS A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION WITH THIS THOUGH, CORRECT? CORRECT.
I WAS GOING TO SAY, AND I, I AGREE THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON YOUR HOA AND HOW THEY ENFORCE THINGS.
BUT IN MOST OF THESE, UH, NEWER COMMUNITIES TODAY, I TYPICALLY WRITE SOMETHING IN THERE BECAUSE IT IS A CONCERN THAT SAYS YOU CAN ONLY USE YOUR GARAGE FOR CARS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, AT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, TO YOUR POINT, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S AN ENFORCEMENT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.
SO, BUT JOE, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? WELL, I, IT, THE, THE WAIVERS ARE FAIRLY MODEST IN NUMBER AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CONSULTANT OBJECTIONS TO THOSE.
THE REST OF IS MOSTLY WILL COMPLY.
THERE'S GONNA BE ADDITIONAL STUFF PRIOR TO FINAL, BUT IT WOULD SEEM TO BE IN POSITION FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO RECOMMEND, UH, APPROVAL OF PRELIMINARY.
SO, UH, YOU HEARD WHAT JOE SAID.
SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION IF, UH, EVERYBODY AGREES OR, OR IF WE HAVE ANYBODY DISAGREE.
SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ONE MORE, WHAT WERE THE ZONING ISSUES THAT ARE STILL PENDING? SO WE WILL NEED TO
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SEEK SPECIAL EXCEPTION APPROVAL FOR DISTURBANCE OF STEVE SLOPES.THAT IS A PERMITTED USE UNDER ZONING.
WE JUST NEED TO GO TO THE ZONING HEARING BOARD.
WE'RE NOT SEEKING VARIANCE RELIEF TO BE, TO BE CLEAR.
SO I'LL STILL TAKE THAT MOTION IF EVERYBODY WANTS TO MAKE IT.
IT'S A NICE, YOU DID A NICE PRESENTATION.
IT'S A DIFFICULT, DIFFICULT SITUATION.
I MEAN, ONE, ONE OTHER QUESTION.
I KNOW THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT YOUR NEIGHBORS, THERE WAS, THAT'S ALL BEEN BETWEEN YOU AND YOURS.
IT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S PRETTY WELL YOU GUYS HAVE COME TO AGREEMENTS ON LIKE, LIKE THE BUFFERS AND, AND, AND THE, ALL THAT STUFF WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND EVERYBODY'S HAPPY NOW AND OR AT LEAST, AT LEAST THEY'RE SMILING
WELL, I MEAN, I WON'T SPEAK FOR THEM.
I'M SURE THEY'D BE HAPPY IF THIS DEVELOPMENT WASN'T HAPPY.
UH, WE TRIED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ADHERING TO THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT.
UM, BASED ON OUR PRIOR CONVERSATIONS, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU DID WANT FIRMING EVEN THOUGH, AND IT IS REQUIRED BY ORDINANCE.
ALTHOUGH THERE WERE OTHER COMMENTS FROM OTHER PEOPLE SUGGESTING MAYBE THERE SHOULDN'T BE BI, BUT WE ARE PROVIDING ALL OF THAT ON THE SITE.
WELL, I JUST REMEMBER FROM PAST, AND IT'S BEEN A FEW YEARS WHEN YYS WAS HERE TOO.
I MEAN, THERE WAS A LOT MORE NEIGHBORS AND THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN, BUT THEN WE HEARD THAT THEY KIND OF, EVERYBODY KIND OF WORKED IT OUT WITH WHATEVER COMPROMISES EVERYBODY MADE.
I HOPE THAT'S STILL, AND THAT MIGHT BE THIS COVENANT THAT YOU TALK ABOUT.
SO THE COVENANT ITSELF DICTATES, UM, ALONG THE NORTH AND CERTAIN, AND UM, ON BOTH SIDES ACTUALLY, UM, ON BUDDING SOME OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, THE PLACEMENT OF HOUSES, HOW MANY HOUSES CAN BE BEHIND EXISTING PROPERTIES.
AND THEN THERE'S THIS 100 FOOT BUFFER, UM, WHAT CAN BE PLACED IN THERE AND THE NUMBER OF UNITS, THOSE THINGS ARE ALL ADDRESSED IN THE COVENANT.
SO YOU GUYS HAVE KIND OF, LIKE YOU SAY, I, I UNDERSTAND THEY WOULD LIKE IT NOT TO HAPPEN AT ALL.
BUT YES, THEY'VE WORKED OUT THE BEST YOU CAN AT THIS POINT.
IT'S STILL SOME LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS ABOUT SAFETY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO AGAIN, I'LL TAKE A MOTION IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ONE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO GIVE PRELIMINARY APPROVAL TO MOVE THIS FORWARD WITH THE CAVEAT THAT THE ISSUES WE DISCUSSED BE ADDRESSED, ESPECIALLY IN THE GILMORE LETTER THAT WE WERE AND THE FIRE MARSHAL.
UM, UM, OKAY, I'LL SECOND THAT.
SO I'VE GOT A FIRST AND A SECOND BASED ON, UH, APPROVING THIS PRELIMINARY TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR, I GUESS ON THE 20TH.
UM, SO WE'LL GIVE, WE'LL GIVE, UH, WE'LL WE'RE VOTING ON GIVING THEM PRELIMINARY APPROVAL FOR THAT, UH, PRELIMINARY PLAN.
AND THANK YOU NEIGHBORS FOR COMING OUT.
WE, YOU GUYS MADE SOME GOOD, GOOD COMMENTS.
I KNOW ANTHONY HEARD THEM ON THE SAFETY PART, AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN GET INVOLVED IN THE DESIGN A LITTLE BIT.
CAUSE I KNOW THOSE TWO HOSTAGE YOU'RE SPEAKING OF AND THEY ARE DIFFERENT THAN EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
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OKAY.UH, UH, FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, JEFFREY, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE'RE ACTUALLY PRETTY LATE.
UM, WE HAVE A COUPLE FINAL PLANS.
THAT'S YOUR KEYS IN TOLL FOLEY.
I, I THINK WE'RE STILL A FEW FROM MEETINGS AWAY FROM THAT.
LOVER'S LANE IS LOOKING LIKE THEY'RE GOING FOR THEIR ZONING RELIEF FIRST.
SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT FIRST.
AND I DON'T HAVE AN APPLICATION YET, BUT I HEAR ONE'S IN THE OFFING VERY, VERY SOON.
UM, AMELIA STREET, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM THEM IN A LITTLE WHILE, SO FOR RIGHT NOW, THERE IS REALLY NO REASON TO HAVE THE MEETING ON THE 15TH.
WE HAD A MEETING TODAY WITH SOMEONE THAT MIGHT BE REPLACING PD HOME AND GARDENS.
THAT APPLICATION MIGHT BE REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA AND SOMETHING NEW TAKE THEIR PLACE.
BUT THERE'S TECHNICALITY ADMINISTRATION THAT HAS TO WORK OUT WITH THEM.
SO WHAT ABOUT LEWIS ROAD DEVELOPMENT? THAT ONE AT LEWIS, HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING FROM THEM THAT, THAT DEVELOPMENT HAS THEIR PRELIMINARY PLAN APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS? WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT NEXT STEPS THEY'RE TAKING OR WHEN, OR IF WE MIGHT GET A FINAL.
BUT YOU WILL SEE THAT AGAIN IF THEY COME IN WITH A FINAL PLAN.
SO, UH, SO I GET JEFF HAS KIND OF INFORMED US, UH, AND I'LL TAKE A MOTION THAT WE CANCEL THE MEETING FOR, UM, MARCH THE 15TH.
UM, RIGHT NOW, I DON'T SEE A NEED TO HAVE THE MEETING ON THE 5TH OF APRIL EITHER, BUT AGAIN, I'D RATHER LEAVE THAT UNC CANCELLED.
NOW WE DO HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL MEETING ON THE SIX, UH, 15TH.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, GIL AND I WILL BE HERE ANYHOW.
BUT, UH, IS EV EVERYBODY OKAY WITH, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO CANCEL THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE 15TH IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE THAT
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MOTION TO CANCEL THE, UH, NEXT MEETING SCHEDULED FOR MARCH 2ND.SO WE GOT A FIRST AND SECOND TO CANCEL THE MARCH 15TH MEETING, JEFF.
AND, UH, WE'LL LEAVE THE, UH, WHAT IS IT, THE 2ND OF APRIL FIFTH, THE FIFTH.
WE'LL LEAVE THAT OPEN FOR NOW.
SO, UH, I HAVE A GENERAL DISCUSSION.
BOB'S GOT A GENERAL DISCUSSION.
WE, WE APPROVED THE PRELIMINARY PLAN TONIGHT.
THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS THAT STILL NEED TO BE DONE.
AND REALLY IT FALLS BACK ON YOU, JEFF.
AND, AND WHAT'S WORSE IS THEY MAY SELL THIS THING NOW THAT IF THE PRELIMINARY PLAN IS APPROVED, THEY CAN SELL IT.
IT'S MORE SELLABLE THAN IT IS.
BUT, UM, THAT'S KIND OF SCARY CUZ THINGS DO FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS.
RARELY DO THEY EVER FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS FOR US.
I, I, I DON'T THINK THAT HAPPENS WITH US.
WE, YOU KNOW, BOTH MCMAHON AND GILMORE'S LETTER ARE PRETTY EXTENSIVE AND I THINK THEIR TEAMS THAT THEY HAVE WORK ON THESE REVIEWS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROJECTS.
THEY, I THINK THEY TEND TO USE THE SAME PEOPLE FOR THE, THE SAME PROJECTS.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR WHAT THEIR WORKFLOW IS, BUT THAT GENERALLY SEEMS TO BE THE WAY IT WORKS.
SO I, I THINK THERE'S A FAMILIARITY WITH IT.
SO WHEN THE PROJECT DOES COME IN, THEY KNOW, OH WAIT, I REMEMBER THAT.
I SAW THIS LAST TIME, AND I KNOW THAT'S HOW I OPERATE.
YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER SAYING THIS ON THE PLAN LAST TIME.
LET ME MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S COVERED AND THAT'S CORRECTED.
WELL, YOU JUST, YOU DID ASK HER TOO, FOR AN UPDATED, UH, LETTER.
WE, WE ASK HER FOR THE UPDATED WAIVER LETTER.
AND WE ALSO ASK, IT'S, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT, WE DO ASK FOR A, A, A LETTER, A CHANGE LETTER FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, A LETTER SAYING HOW YOU'VE ADDRESSED EACH COMMENT IN THE PREVIOUS LETTER.
SO IT, IT, IT DOES MAKE IT MUCH MORE SIMPLE.
LET ME SAY THAT, BUT IT MAKES IT RELATIVELY EASIER TO GO THROUGH AND TRACK WHAT CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE AND HOW THEY ADDRESS THOSE COMMENTS.
AND THEN, AND, AND YOU'RE HOPING TO HAVE THAT FOR THE SUPERVISOR'S MEETING SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT, RIGHT.
WELL, WE DON'T, WE DON'T REQUIRE THAT FOR THE SUPER THIS SUPERVISOR'S MEETING.
THAT WOULD JUST BE THE ONLY PLAN IN FRONT OF US RIGHT NOW IS THE ONE THAT WILL BE ON THE SUPERVISOR'S AGENDA, THE NEXT PLAN SUBMISSION, WHICH IS A FINAL PLAN SUBMISSION.
THAT ONE WILL BE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO, EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE TO BE CHECKED OFF.
WELL, I SEE YOU'RE CONSIDERED BOB.
I MEAN THERE IS SOME THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, BUT IT IS ON TAPE HOPEFULLY.
UH, JEFF HAS ASKED FOR AN UPDATED LETTER.
AND I THINK ALISON'S PRETTY SHARP.
SHE'S GONNA GET THAT TO YOU PROBABLY.
I MEAN, AND, AND MOST OF THE TIME WITH THESE DEVELOPERS, THE THINGS THAT, THAT ARE ON THE LIST, THAT ARE ON THEIR LETTERS OR ON A LETTER ARE THINGS THAT ARE, AGAIN, I WON'T, SIMPLE AS TOO SIMPLE OF A WORD, BUT ARE RELATIVELY EASY FOR THEM TO CLEAN UP AND NOTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY.
NORMALLY WE TACKLE THE OUT OF THE ORDINARY STUFF BEFORE WE EVER GET TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE GO THROUGH A, WE HAD A MEETING SIX WEEKS AGO ABOUT, AND THAT'S WHERE WE TACKLED THE SORT OF THE OUT OF THE ORDINARY STUFF AND THINGS THAT WE WEREN'T, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT WAS GONNA BE SPECIFIC DESIGN QUESTIONS.
RIGHT NOW IT'S SOMEONE MADE A MISTAKE OR THEY WANT IT REPRESENTED OR SHOWN A DIFFERENT WAY, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THAT'S HOW WE TRACK THOSE.
WELL, I WOULD HOPE TO SPEAK FOR THE BOARD TO SAY THAT I, WE, I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN YOU GUYS.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHY I ALWAYS REFER TO YOU BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN SHE STARTS TALKING ABOUT ONE AND A HALF TO THREE AND STUFF LIKE THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL SHE'S EVEN TALKING ABOUT.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE A LOT OF FAITH IN, YOU GUYS DO KNOW WHAT SHE'S TALKING, WE'RE JUST HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT, I THINK WE'RE JUST HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S BROUGHT OUT AND PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT.
OH, LOOK, I READ THEIR LETTERS TOO.
AND I'M NOT AN ENGINEER AND I MEAN, I, OVER THE YEARS I'VE GLEANED SOME INFORMATION.
I COME FROM LESS OF AN ENGINEERING BACKGROUND, SO I DON'T ALWAYS GET THEIR LETTERS EITHER.
BUT YOU, I THINK YOUR ROLE IS ALWAYS TO ASK QUESTIONS AND IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, HAVE THEIR ENGINEER EXPLAIN IT.
EVEN IF IT'S SOMETHING TECHNICAL.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S, I AGREES THAT'S WELL WITHIN YOUR PURPOSE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I MIGHT NOT STILL UNDERSTAND ALL THOSE TERMS AND I RELY ON JENN OR ANTHONY TO SAY YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE.
JUST LIKE IF I STEP ON THE GAS AND MY CAR GOES, THAT'S GREAT.
OTHER THAN THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING.
I KNOW YOU UNDERSTAND MORE OF THAT THAN I DO PUT GAS IN IT AND GO.
THAT'S THE, I HOPE TO DO THAT MOST DAYS.
I, I RELY ON YOU A LOT, SO THANK YOU.
UH, WITH THAT, I GUESS I'LL TAKE A, A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
AND THAT'S MADE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THAT.