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BOB, DO YOU WANT ME TO RUN IT OR DO YOU WANT TO DO IT? YOU'LL DO IT.
JUST MAKING SURE GILLY MENTIONED THAT'S RIGHT WHEN YOU HAVE TO STEP UP.
[CALL TO ORDER]
OKAY.I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
BOB, YOU HAVE TO BANG THE GAVEL.
UM, I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.
UM, I'M FILLING IN TONIGHT FOR OUR REGULAR CHAIRMAN, SO IF I MAKE ANY MISTAKES, I HAVE AN EXCUSE,
UM, ANY ITEMS OF, UM, INTEREST THAT YOU NEED TO BRING UP FROM THE AUDIENCE, UH, THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT?
[MOTION TO APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA]
NO.YOU, YOU WANNA, UM, YOU WANT TO APPROVE THE AGENDA FIRST? THE, OH, SURE.
THE, UH, DO I HEAR A MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT? MOTION.
[APPLICATIONS TO BE HEARD ON FEBRUARY 15, 2023]
APPLICATIONS TO BE HEARD TONIGHT.VALLEY FORGES BAPTIST CHURCH FIRST, IS THERE ANYONE HERE REPRESENTING THEM? STEVE? YES.
UH, CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MIKE FURY HERE, ATTORNEY, UH, PRIVILEGE TO, UH, REPRESENT, UH, VALLEY FORGE BAPTISTS TEMPLE, ALSO HERE WITH, UH, PASTORS HAIL STOCK AND, UH, PASTOR WENDELL, AND ALSO OUR, UH, CIVIL ENGINEER JOHN HUNT.
CHAIRMAN, THIS IS AN AMENDED FINAL.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING A SMALL ADDITION ON THE BACK.
IT REALLY IS MORE ADMINISTRATIVE.
THEY'RE HERE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND ANTHONY'S RUNNING A LITTLE BIT LATE, BUT, AND THIS WAS MOSTLY CIVIL ENGINEERING, SO THEY'VE, JEN'S GONE THROUGH AND LOOKED AT IT AND, AND THEY'RE GENERALLY GOOD TO GO.
WE'LL HAVE A FORMAL LETTER FROM HER.
UM, I, I THINK IN, IN THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS, WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR THE PLANS TO BE COMPILED.
AND THEN WHEN I RECEIVE THOSE, I'LL WRITE THE FORMAL LETTER.
BUT WE'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH WITH INFORMAL COMMUNICATION AND THEY'VE PREVENTED PRESENTED EVERYTHING THAT IS SATISFACTORY AND WE APPRECIATE THE TIME AND CONSULTANTS HAVE ALREADY SPENT ON THIS, UH, ON THIS PLAN.
IT'S REALLY, UH, AN ADDITION FOR THE, UH, UH, FOR THE PRESCHOOL.
IT'S REALLY TO ENHANCE THE, UH, EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCE.
IT'S, UH, UH, NOT TOO MUCH TO, UH, UH, INCREASE ENROLLMENT.
UH, I THINK WE CURRENTLY HAVE CAPACITY FOR 45 BASED ON AN OLD PLAN.
UH, BUT THIS IS REALLY GOING TO ENHANCE THE EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCE FOR THE, UH, UH, FOR THE CHILDREN OF THE SCHOOL.
SO WE'LL BE UPDATING THE PLANS WITH REGARDING THE ENROLLMENT NUMBERS.
AND I KNOW THAT JOHN HAS HAD, UH, COMMUNICATIONS WITH MC MAN WITH REGARD TO THE, UH, TRAFFIC IMPACT.
SO, SO, SO WHAT, WHAT THIS IS, IT'S A SITUATION WHERE THEY ALREADY HAVE A FULLY APPROVED FINAL PLAN, BUT BECAUSE THE CHANGE IS SO MODEST, THEY'RE NOT BEING TOLD TO COME BACK WITH A WHOLE NEW PLAN.
THEY'RE JUST SLIGHTLY CHANGING THE EXISTING FINAL AMENDED PLAN, WHICH IS ONLY TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU SEE ON THE, ON THE DIAGRAM AT ADDITION.
WE APPRECIATE THAT, MR. PRESIDENT.
MR. GRACE, HOW MUCH, WHAT SQUARE FOOTAGE IS THAT? IT'S, UH, 36, UH, UH, 36 60, UH, SQUARE FEET.
AND IT, IT'S, UH, 20 FEET HIGH, BUT IT'S ONLY ONE STORY.
QUESTIONS, ANYONE? SO JEN, YOU MENTIONED SUBMITTING.
SO IS THERE ALREADY A, THERE'S ALREADY A REVIEW LETTER THAT THEY ARE COMPLYING WITH AND THEN THE NEW PLANS ARE IN RESPONSE TO THAT
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LETTER OR? YEAH, SO THEY SUBMITTED THESE AMENDED FINAL PLANS.WE HAD FOUR OR FIVE COMMENTS THAT WERE MORE OF A CLARIFICATION ITEM THAT WE NEEDED SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
SO THEY PROVIDED THAT E EXTRA INFORMATION.
IT WILL REQUIRE UPDATES TO THE PLANS YOU SEE RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS WHY I DIDN'T PRODUCE ANOTHER LETTER.
AS SOON AS I RECEIVED THE FINAL, FINAL PLANS, I'LL WRITE MY LETTER THAT CITES THAT REVISION DATE, UM, AND APPROVE IT.
BUT WE LOOKED AT STORM OUR MANAGEMENT, WE LOOKED AT IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, AND WE LOOKED AT SANITARY SEWER FLOWS, AND THEY'RE ALL SATISFACTORY.
LOOKED AS, UH, YOU WIDEN THE DETENTION BASIN JUST A LITTLE BIT ON THE, THE ONE SIDE.
I'LL LET HER, UH, CIVIL ENGINEER, UH, TESTIFIED OR, UH, SPEAK TO THAT, PLEASE.
UH, NO, ACTUALLY, WE DID NOT WIDEN THE DETENTION BASIN.
AS A RESULT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE ACTUALLY REDUCING THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE ON THE SITE BY ABOUT 1500 SQUARE FEET.
SO, AND WHY IS THAT? WAS IT THAT IT WAS MISCALCULATED OR YOU JUST HAD EXTRA THE FIRST TIME? WHY ARE WE REDUCING THE, THE IMPER COVERAGE? YES.
WELL, WE, WE HAVE REMOVED SOME PARKING, FOR INSTANCE, UH, TO PUT THIS PRESCHOOL EDITION ON ABOUT 12 PARKING SPOTS WERE REMOVED, UM, THAT EXISTED ALONG THAT, THAT BUILDING, UM, WITH THE, THE LARGER CHURCH EDITION, UH, THAT WAS JUST COMPLETED ACTUALLY, THE IMPERVIOUS PARKING AREA WAS REDUCED IN SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SO ALL COMBINED, THERE'S A NET REDUCTION.
HOW DOES THAT, UH, AFFECT THE PARKING SITUATION AS TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURES AND ELIMINATING THE PARKING SPACES? YEAH, AS, AS I SAID, THERE'S I THINK, 12 SPOTS THAT WILL BE LOST AS A RESULT OF THIS PRESCHOOL EDITION.
UM, THEY STILL HAVE, UM, ABOUT 134 MORE SPOTS THAN THE ORDINANCE WOULD REQUIRE.
SO WE'RE FULLY COMPLIANT WITH REGARDING PERVIOUS COVERAGE AND PARKING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE? WE WILL RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A, UH, RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL WITH THE, UH, WAIVERS.
ARE WE SETTING A PRECEDENCE BY IF WE DO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS? NO.
UH, A I, I DON'T THINK THAT WE, WE MAKE A PRECEDENT WHEN WE DO SOMETHING, LIKE WHEN WE REALLY DO ANYTHING, WE CAN ATTACH EACH APPLICATION AS IT COMES.
BUT WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE TO WHERE WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A MINOR PLAN MODIFICATION AND WE WANT TO KEEP THEM ON THE, ON THE, ON THE CLOCK, ON THE, AND SO AS LONG AS, AS LONG AS THEY HAVE A CLEAN LETTER AND A CLEAN PLAN BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING, WE'VE TYPICALLY GONE ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE MOVING IT FORWARD, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THIS PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? OKAY.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? IF NOT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
HAVE IT ON BEHALF OF THE CHURCH.
WELL, IT'S NOT RELATED TO THIS.
WE HAVE MADE, IF A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE DOES OCCUR BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN THEY WOULD GO TO THE BOARD, WE WOULD MAKE THEM COME BACK.
WE WOULD MAKE ANYBODY COME BACK, NOT JUST
THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 1731 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD.
UM, I'M REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, JIM MCCAULEY FOR 1731.
WE WERE BEFORE YOU PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW, LAST YEAR, BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, WHATNOT.
UM, YOU HAVE SEEN THIS PLANT DIDN'T CHANGE FROM WHAT WE'VE PRESENTED BEFORE.
UM, TONIGHT I HAVE CHRIS Y FROM YAN OWNS YAN ENGINEERING.
UM, HE'LL BE SPEAKING TO THE REVIEW LETTERS, UM, AND ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, JEFF, CAN WE JUST GO THROUGH AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE, ALL THE REVIEW LETTERS? SURE.
UM, I HAVE THREE LETTERS, GILMORE OF THE 9TH OF FEBRUARY, MCMAHON OF THE 2ND OF FEBRUARY, AND DEPARTMENT OF FIRE EMERGENCY SERVICES OF 1 27.
UM, SO THIS PLAN HASN'T CHANGED.
THE REASON WE TOOK SO LONG WAS CUZ WE WERE ACTUALLY WAITING ON THE PROJECT DOWN THE STREET CUZ A LOT OF THOSE ROAD PLANS WEREN'T FINISHED AND THEY STILL AREN'T FINISHED, ACTUALLY.
SO WE KIND OF, WE, WE, WE WANTED TO GET HERE TO GET THIS STARTED AND WE'RE ACTUALLY COORDINATING WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE OUR PLANS ARE GONNA COORDINATE WITH ALL THE ROADWORK THAT'S ON 29.
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WHY WE STALLED A LITTLE BIT.THEN THERE WAS A COUPLE OTHER PROJECTS IN THE TOWNSHIP THAT WE DIDN'T WANNA GET WRAPPED UP IN.
SO WE KIND OF WAITED TILL ALL THAT WAS DONE.
THIS WASN'T AS IMPORTANT AS, AS, YOU KNOW, GETTING INVOLVED WITH SOME OF THAT OTHER, THOSE OTHER PROJECTS.
SO, UM, IF CHRIS, YOU WANNA COME UP AND, UM, IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE BOARD, I'D LIKE TO HAVE CHRIS KIND OF GO THROUGH THE REVIEW LETTERS.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TOO MUCH.
UM, AND THEN IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANYTHING THAT YOU MAY HAVE THAT'S OKAY WITH THE BOARD.
I'M THE CIVIL ENGINEER WHO WORKED ON THIS PROJECT, AND SO YOU CAN, AS PAUL SAID, UH, WE DIDN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES KIND OF ON OUR OWN BETWEEN THE TENTATIVE SKETCH OR BETWEEN THE SKETCH AND THE PRELIMINARY PLANS.
WE ADDRESSED THE RE UH, REVIEW LETTERS WE RECEIVED AT THE SKETCH BASE.
AND SO THERE WERE SOME MINOR CHANGES.
WE WIDENED THE ENTRY OF THE DRIVEWAY A LITTLE BIT, UM, SLID THE BUILDINGS OVER A LITTLE.
WE HAD TO ADD THE, THE ULTIMATE RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, AND THEN WE SUBMITTED WITH FULLY DESIGNED PLANS.
THE 10 OF SKETCH WAS REALLY A ONE PAGE SHEET THAT SHOWED AN AERIAL WITH, YOU KNOW, A SKETCH OF PROPOSED, UH, LAYOUT.
AND SO NOW WE HAVE A NINE PAGE SET THAT HAS, IT'S FULLY ENGINEERED WITH GRADING STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, UTILITIES, LANDSCAPE PLANTS AND EVERYTHING.
AND SO, AS PAUL SAID, WE HAVE A FEW REVIEW LETTERS.
THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY WILL COMPLY LETTERS, UH, IN THE FIRE MARSHALS LETTER FROM JANUARY 27TH.
WE, WE ACCEPT ALL THE CONDITIONS.
WE DO WANT TO DISCUSS ITEM TWO WITH THEM TWO A, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH THE MANEUVERABILITY.
UH, THE, THE REQUEST IS THAT WE MEET ONE OF THE STANDARDS FOR A A PUBLIC ROAD.
UH, THIS ISN'T A NEW PUBLIC ROAD, IT'S KIND OF AN ACCESS TO A PARKING.
UH, AND SO WE, WE WILL TALK TO THEM ABOUT COMPLYING WITH, UH, THE MANEUVERABILITY FOR THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
WE HAVE THE REVIEW LETTER FROM MCMAHON DATED FEBRUARY 2ND, WHICH IS BASICALLY A REVIEW OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND TRAFFIC FEATURES ON THE SITE.
UH, THAT'S ALSO MOSTLY WILL COMPLY.
UH, WE'RE GONNA ASK THE TOWNSHIP IF WE CAN GET A COPY OF THOSE PLANS FOR THE OTHER ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS.
THEY, THEY WANT US TO COORDINATE OUR PLAN WITH THOSE, WHICH, WHICH IS FINE.
UH, WE JUST NEED THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO DO THAT.
THE RESULT THAT'LL HAVE IS WE'LL SHOW THE NEW CURB, UH, BACK A LITTLE BIT ONTO THE SITE, UH, TO SHOW THE FULL 12 FOOT LANES THAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED THAT'LL PUSH OUR SIDEWALK BACK A LITTLE BIT.
THEY JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S CONSISTENT SO WE AREN'T PUTTING SOMETHING IN THAT WOULD THEN LATER HAPPEN.
UM, AND THEN LASTLY IS THE GILMORE LETTER FROM FEBRUARY 9TH.
AGAIN, MOSTLY WE'LL COMPLY ITEMS. WE HAVE TWO THAT WE WANTED TO DISCUSS.
IT SAYS THE ACCESS DRIVE FOR THE SITE SITE SHALL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF RESIDENTIAL ROADS AND HAVE A MINIMUM WIDTH OF 32 FEET.
SO THAT'S THE CODE SECTION FOR NEW STREETS.
UH, TO ME, THIS ISN'T A STREET, A STREET IN THE SAME CODE SECTION.
IT SAYS THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD AND IT HAS THE WIDTH OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
WELL, WE DON'T HAVE A NEW RIGHT OF WAY FOR THIS.
THIS IS AN ENTRY TO A, A PARKING AREA.
SO WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT FULL 32 FEET IS NECESSARY HERE.
I THINK THAT, AND I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T MAKE THE CODE, BUT FROM MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE DIFFERENT CODES, UH, AND DIFFERENT ROADWAY CLASSIFICATIONS, IT'S TYPICALLY YOU HAVE A SMALLER ROAD.
THERE MIGHT BE NO PARKING ON ON THAT.
UH, AS YOU GET A LITTLE LARGER, UH, IT'S A ROAD THAT'S DESIGNED THAT HAS ENOUGH ROOM FOR PARKING ON ONE SIDE.
AS YOU GET A LITTLE BIGGER, IT'S PARKING FOR ROOM ON TWO SIDES.
UH, AND THEN BIGGER THAN THAT, YOU HAVE MULTIPLE LANES.
AND SO I DON'T THINK, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S APPLICABLE.
SO THAT WAS SOMETHING WE WANTED TO DISCUSS.
IF IT, UH, IF IT TURNED OUT THAT IT, YOU KNOW, A NUANCE IN THE CODE, WE DID HAVE TO COMPLY WITH IT, THAT WOULD BE ONE WE'D BE ASKING FOR A WAIVER.
THE FIRE MARSHAL HAD ASKED FOR A 26 FOOT WIDE.
UH, WE HAVE 25 ON THE PLAN AND WE WERE GONNA COMPLY WITH THAT.
WE WILL, WOULD ADD THE ADDITIONAL FOOT TO GET TO THE 26TH OF THE FIRE MARSHAL.
ANTHONY, DO YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THIS? A DOES IT APPLY AND DOES A WA IS A WAIVER NEEDED? AND IF SO, WOULD, DID YOU KNOW WHETHER YOUR OFFICE HAS A POSITION ON IT YET? SO THAT'S IN MY LETTER.
UM, YEAH, THERE IS A SECTION OF CODE FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAYS, UM, THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED STREETS.
SO THIS IS A SIMILAR SITUATION TO 4 61 SOUTH LEWIS ROAD WHERE WE'RE ONLY, UM, THEY'RE ONLY CONSTRUCTING, I BELIEVE, 26 FEET, BUT THEY NEEDED TO GET A WAIVER FROM THAT SECTION, NOT AS LONG AS THE FIRE MARSHAL'S.
UH, THE NEXT ONE WAS ITEM 20, UH, 23.
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ONE IS ASKING FOR NO LESS THAN 10 FEET OF OPEN SPACE SHOULD BE PROVIDED BETWEEN THE CURB LINE OF ANY PARKING AREA AND THE OUTSIDE WALL OF A MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING.AND SO IN THIS CASE WE HAVE A, A MIXED USE BUILDING.
AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHY THE, WHAT WAS THOUGHT ABOUT THE INTENT OF THE CODE.
UH, HOWEVER, THE ARGUMENT HERE IS THAT WE HAVE OFFICE ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE BUILDING.
SO WE, IT'S NOT LIKE THE PARKING IS BUTTING UP RIGHT AGAINST SOMEONE SAY BEDROOM WINDOW.
IT'S UP AGAINST, UH, OFFICE SPACE.
AND SO AGAIN, WE'D, WE'D ASK IF THAT ONE IS, IS APPLICABLE HERE, OR IF NOT, IF WE COULD REQUEST A WAIVER OF THAT SECTION.
IT AFFECTS, THERE'S SIX PARKING SPACES.
THERE'S A GROUP OF THREE, UH, PARKING SPACES THAT ARE JUST TO THE LEFT OF BUILDING TWO.
AND THERE'S A GROUP OF THREE PARKING SPACES JUST TO THE LEFT OF BUILDING THREE.
SO THE, UH, RESIDENCE THAT MAY LIVE IN THE APARTMENTS WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PARK ADJACENT TO THEIR APARTMENT.
THEY WOULD BE PERMITTED TO PARK THERE.
UH, THE, THE CODE IS ASKING FOR A 10 FOOT BUFFER, BASICALLY A 10 FOOT GREEN SPACE IN BETWEEN.
AND SO MY POINT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS SECTION OF THE CODE IS TALKING ABOUT PARKING NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING WHERE IT WOULD, AND I THINK YOU, YOU WOULD HAVE, UH, MAYBE A BEDROOM OR SOMETHING RIGHT NEXT TO THE PARKING.
AND MY ARGUMENT IS WE'RE NOT RIGHT NEXT TO IT THAT THAT RESIDENTIAL IS, YOU KNOW, A FLOOR HIGHER.
THE RESIDENCE ARE ON THE SECOND, THIRD FLOOR HERE.
DON'T THE EMPLOYEES NEED 'EM? DON'T THE EMPLOYEES LIKE TO LOOK OUT WINDOWS TOO
IS IT, IS A 10 FOOT BUFFER ESTABLISHED FOR LIKE EXHAUST OF VEHICLES? IS THAT PART OF IT AS WELL? OR NOT? WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? THERE'S, YEAH, WITH THE SIDEWALK, MAYBE MICS ON.
I THINK THAT BY, BY BY BUILDING, CORRECT.
THIS REALLY PERTAINS TO THE THREE SPACES ADJACENT TO BUILDING TWO AND THE THREE SPACES ADJACENT TO BUILDING THREE, NOT THE FRONTAGE.
IF THEY'RE WILLING TO CONSIDER A WAIVER, ARE YOU OPPOSED TO PUTTING CURB STOPS OR SOME TYPE OF BARRICADE BETWEEN NO, THAT'D BE FINE.
THE SPACES AND THE BUILDING ITSELF, YES.
STRANGER THINGS HAVE HAPPENED.
I CAN SEE PEOPLE BACKING INTO THOSE BUILDINGS WITH A TRUCK OR, YOU KNOW, A TAILGATE THAT'S DOWN OR A HITCH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
INTERPRETATION WOULD BE, I AGREE WITH JEN.
I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD OFFER UP CURB STOP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THERE.
I DON'T THINK THAT THE CODE AS IT'S WRITTEN REALLY, UM, ANTICIPATED MIXED USE CUZ IT'S REALLY MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A LACK IN, IN THE CODE AT THIS POINT FROM PROBABLY WHEN THAT WAS WRITTEN IN 19 O SIX OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
OH, IF THE TRUCK'S BACKED IN AND IF THESE ARE WINDOWS THAT OPEN, THEY MAY OR MAY NOT.
ALTHOUGH A LOT OF BUILDINGS, OFFICE BUILDINGS TODAY DO ENCOURAGE WINDOWS.
THEY HAVE EXHAUST GOING IN, HUH.
I GUESS FOR THE FEW SECONDS THAT SOMEONE BACKS UP AND, AND PARKS.
AND THEN MOST OF THE TIME I THINK IT'S UNLIKELY THAT SOMEONE WOULD SIT THERE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME THAT THE EXHAUST WOULD BE, WOULD BE RUNNING.
THE OFFICES HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT FULLY DESIGNED AT THIS POINT.
UH, AND SO, YOU KNOW, MY GUESS IS THERE'S, DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF USE IN THERE, THERE COULD BE A, A VARIETY OF WHERE THE WINDOWS MIGHT BE.
IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE WORKFLOW, I MEAN, WE CAN MAKE THE CONDITION, THEY WON'T BE COMFORTABLE.
YEAH, THAT'S FINE FOR NOSE IN PART, YOU KNOW, FRONT END PARKING COULD PUT IN, UH, A SIGN THAT SAYS FRONT END ONLY.
YES, YOU COULD MAKE THEM IN YOUR TESLA CHARGING STATIONS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, CONCERNS, THOUGHTS UP JEN OR ANTHONY? IS THERE ANY OTHER ISSUES THAT WOULD KEEP THE BOARD FROM RECOMMENDING APPROVAL COMMISSION?
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NOT IF THE OTHER ITEMS ARE WE'LL COMPLY AND YOU CAN SATISFY THE OTHER ITEMS IN THE LETTER THAT WOULD SAY THE SAME ON OUR END.SO THE ONLY THING THAT I HAD ON MY MIND FOR DISCUSSION WAS THE COORDINATION OF THE LANES AND THINGS IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY PER THAT COMMENT 12 THAT YOU NOTED EARLIER.
UM, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WERE WILLING TO COMPLY, GET THE RIGHT PLANS, GET THINGS ALIGNED SO THAT THAT WOULD SATISFY THAT CONCERN.
WHEN WE WERE IN FOR THE SKETCH PHASE, UH, ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS TO PROVIDE THAT ULTIMATE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND SO NOW THAT WE'VE, WE'VE DONE THAT, SHOWING THE LANES AS THEY'RE ON THAT OTHER PLAN WOULDN'T AFFECT THE, THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDINGS OR, OR LAYOUT OR ANYTHING ELSE.
SO IT, IT WOULD JUST BE A CHANGE IN WHAT THE PLAN LOOKED LIKE FOR ADJACENT TO THE ROAD.
DID THIS PLAN REQUIRE PENDOT APPROVAL? IT WILL, YES.
SO WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR US AT THIS POINT? WE SUBMITTED FOR PRELIMINARY PLAN APPROVAL.
AND SO AFTER WE HAD PRELIMINARY PLAN, UH, I OFTENTIMES REVISE THE PLANS TO, YOU KNOW, MEET THE REVIEW LETTERS AND THEN RESUBMIT FOR FINAL PLAN AT THE TOWNSHIP AT THE SAME TIME THAT I WOULD SUBMIT TO PENDOT AND TO N P DS.
UH, IF WE NEED THAT, START SUBMITTING THE LETTERS FOR SEWER APPROVAL.
I DON'T LIKE TO GO TO PENDOT TOO SOON BECAUSE BASICALLY THEY WANT IT TO BE A FINAL PLAN.
THEY DON'T WANT OTHER CHANGES TO HAPPEN IN THE PROCESS.
UH, SO GETTING THROUGH PRELIMINARY IS HELPFUL, UH, TO THEN MAKE THE SUBMISSION TO PENDOT? WE DID, WE DID HAVE AN INITIAL MEETING WITH THEM.
THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER COORDINATED HIM, UH, CALLED THEIR SCOPING MEETING.
SO WE DIDN'T MEET WITH THEM, BUT WE DIDN'T SUBMIT THE H O P YET.
UM, DON'T WE USUALLY HAVE TENDOT, UM, APPROVED OR AT LEAST IN AGREEMENT BEFORE RECOMMENDED CHANGE, ADMIT TO THE PROCESS, MAKE SURE YOU'RE ALL AWARE OF IT.
WHY'RE THIS, BUT GENERALLY COORDINATING? YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
UM, THE, YOU KNOW, IF WE HADN'T BEEN INTO THE DEPARTMENT TO, TO PEN OUT FOR LIKE A SCOPING APPLICATION OR MADE THEM AWARE AT THIS POINT, I'D HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A CONCERN.
BUT THE SCOPING HAS BEEN NOTED, HAS BEEN, HAS BEEN MADE SO THEY'RE AWARE OF THE PROJECT.
THEY'VE SEEN THE GENERAL, UM, YOU KNOW, SCOPE OF TRAFFIC AND PROJECT.
UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE CONFIDENT WITH, WITH WHERE THEY ARE AND UM, AS THEY NOTED, THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE MAKING THEIR SUBMISSION ONCE WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO BE COVERED? UH, THAT YOU GUYS CONSULTANTS SEE THAT? NO, LIKE I SAID, THE ONLY ITEM IS 17 FOR POSSIBLE WAIVERS.
UM, BUT YEAH, AS FAR AS THE TRUCK TURNING WITH, YOU KNOW, TRASH TRUCKS OR FIRE TRUCK, UM, WHATEVER THE FIRE MARSHAL DEEMS APPLICABLE TO BE NOTED.
AND WE'RE STILL LOOKING TO ADD SOMETHING TO 2310 OPEN SPACE BETWEEN LOOKING, YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT A CURB STOP.
WE'D ALSO BE WILLING TO PUT UP A SIGN TO SAY THAT.
YEAH, NO, I THINK WE CAN WORK WITH, WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE ENGINEER, COME UP WITH, WE HEARD IF YOU WANT TO SEE CAR STOP, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.
WELL, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME WORDING IN THE, HOWEVER WE DO RECOMMEND WE DO THAT.
DO YOU AGREE? I THINK IT'S A PROBLEM IF YOU JUST PUT A SIGN ON THE LAWN SAYING PULL IN FORWARD, YOU KNOW, WHO'S GONNA POLICE HIM? REALISTICALLY, NOBODY'S GONNA RUN OUT THERE AND TELL PEOPLE THEY GOT SO THE STOP MAY BE THE BEST APPROACH.
EVERYBODY, THE STOP DOESN'T, WELL, THE STOP DOESN'T CREATE A, A BUFFER.
THE STOPS 'EM FROM RUNNING INTO, KEEPS 'EM FROM
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RUNNING INTO THE SIDE OF THE, THE BUILDING.SO THE IDEA BEHIND THE, THE FRONT END ONLY WAS TO KEEP THE EXHAUST AWAY FROM THE BUILDING IF IT'S ONLY, IF IT'S THE TENANTS, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WOULD BE EASIER TO ENFORCE AND HAVE ABIDE BY IF, IF THAT'S THE TENANT PARKING.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU THOUGHT THAT GETTING KIND OF INTO THE WEEDS ON THAT, BUT THAT WOULD KIND OF BE ONE WAY TO, TO, I GUESS WHAT I WOULD SAY IS IT IS A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE IF YOU DO HAVE A TRUCK IDLING OUT THERE AND IT'S A DIESEL TRUCKER, UM, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN LOOK AT THIS RIGHT NOW WHERE WE WOULD LOOK AT A FIXED WINDOW APPLICATION? ARE WE THINKING A BUSINESS AREA OPENING A WINDOW AND ALL THE, WELL, THEY DID SAY THEY WOULD DO THAT.
DO WE WE ADD THAT AS A WELL, IT'LL BE PART OF THE, THE APPROVAL, YOU KNOW, HE'S GONNA REVISE THE PLANS BEFORE FINAL AND THEN THERE'LL BE ADDITIONAL DETAILS.
AND WE TO SUBMIT ARCHITECTURALS TO, TO THE TOWNSHIP BEFORE THEY, SO WE'LL SUBMIT, WE'LL, WE'LL SUBMIT THAT AS A, AND IT'S PART OF THE RECORD.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
UH, IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, UM, ANYBODY FROM THE AUDIENCE.
ARE WE, ARE ANYBODY COMFORTABLE IN MAKING A MOTION AT THIS POINT? OKAY,
SO HOW SHOULD IT BE STATED WITH, IT'S A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAN.
WITH ANY, ALWAYS SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH YOUR REVIEW LETTERS.
YOU CAN JUST SAY WHAT JOE SAID, WHAT JOE SAID.
UH, IT'S BEEN MADE AND SECONDED.
DO WE NEED TO ADD RESOLUTION LIST OF WAIVERS OR DO WE NEED TO ADD THAT INTO THE MOTION? THERE WAS, WE DON'T HAVE THE WAIVERS LISTED NOW, SO WE DO THAT AS FINAL.
WELL, IT, IT, I I WOULD INCLUDE THEM IN THE PRELIMINARY APPROVAL RESOLUTION, SO I WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THEM AS A SINGLE LIST THAT I COULD REFER TO, TO DO THE RESOLUTION.
THERE WAS NO OBJECTION TO ANY OF THE WE CAN SEND IT TO YOU.
MR. NOLAN, YOU'LL BE ON THE, ON THE, UH, MARCH PLANNING, PLANNING BOARD MEETING, WHICH I THINK IS THE 20TH MARCH PLANNING OR MARCH BOARD MEETING, I'M SORRY, MARCH BOARD OF SUPERVISOR'S MEETING.
WE WON'T FLIP YOU JUST RIGHT AROUND TO TUESDAY.
YEAH, SO IF YOU JUST GET THAT TO ME, I CAN GET IT TO JOE IF YOU DON'T HAVE HIS EMAIL.
[DISCUSSION: FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]
OKAY, LAST PART IS FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. YES.UH, WHEN I SAID THAT I THOUGHT WE WOULD BE OFF FOR THIS MEETING, I WAS SUDDENLY MISINFORMED.
UM, RIGHT NOW HOPWOOD ROAD WILL BE ON MARCH 1ST.
I THINK THE CONSULTANTS ARE DILIGENTLY REVIEWING AN AMENDED PRELIMINARY PLAN.
UM, SO WE SHOULD HAVE THAT READY TO GO.
AND EAST LINFIELD TRAP ROAD FINAL PLAN.
WE, WE HAVE THE LETTERS ON THAT.
IT WAS JUST STRETCH OUT THE AGENDA A LITTLE BIT AND MOVE THEM TO THE NEXT MEETING.
AND THEN AS IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT ON THAT MEETING, THE MARCH 15TH MEETING WOULD PROBABLY BE CANCELED.
UM, I WANNA HOLD OFF UNTIL MARCH 1ST TO OFFICIALLY CANCEL IT, BUT ONCE WE GET THROUGH THOSE TWO ITEMS, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH CURRENT ON THE AGENDA.
UM, WHEN YOU SAID ONE 11 EAST LINFIELD ROAD IS READY, THAT'S READY AT FINAL PLAN, RIGHT? IT'S READY AT FINAL PLAN? YES.
THEY, THEY WENT PRELIMINARY, TENTATIVE FOR THEIR FIRST APPLICATION AND THEN NOW THEY'VE GONE AND SUBMITTED A FINAL.
AND I THINK JEN AND ANTHONY HAVE WORKED THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH THEM.
I THINK I HAVE CLEAN LETTERS ON BOTH OF THOSE.
IT WAS JUST EASIER TO NOT AMEND THIS AGENDA AND MOVED THEM TO MARCH CUZ THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ON THE BOARD AGENDA UNTIL THE MEETING IN MARCH.
THERE WAS NO, THERE WAS NO RUSH FOR THAT ONE.
AND THE OTHER AGENDA ITEMS THAT ARE THE CURRENT APPLICATIONS I HAVE OF YUKI'S STATION FINAL PLAN THAT STILL HAS A LOT OF COMMENTS AND A LOT TO WORK THROUGH TOLL FOLEY IS, UH, GETTING THERE.
I THINK THEY'VE, THEY'VE COME TO SOME CONCLUSIONS AND WORKED THROUGH A LOT OF THE TECHNICAL STUFF, SO WE'LL PROBABLY SEE THAT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
LOVER'S LANE IS STILL, I THINK WE'RE STILL WAITING ON THE ZONING HEARING BOARD APPLICATION.
I THINK THAT WAS YOUR DIRECTION AS TO GO TO ZONING HEARING BOARD FIRST.
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SAME THING WITH AMELIA STREET TOWN HOMES.WE'RE WAITING ON THAT ZONING, HEARING BOARD APPLICATION AND PD, HOME AND GARDEN.
WE HAVE A A, AN, WE HAVE A PLAN THAT'S ACTIVE, BUT I WAS EMAILED TODAY THAT SOMEONE IS LOOKING AT REVISING THAT PLAN THAT'S NOT PD HOME AND GARDEN, IT'S ANOTHER COMPANY.
UM, SO I'M, I DON'T HAVE ANY DETAILS ABOUT THAT, BUT THEY'RE LOOKING TO HAVE A MEETING WITH STAFF AND SO WE'LL SEE WHERE THAT GOES.
WE'LL STAY ON THE AGENDA, BUT I THINK IT'S KIND OF A DEAD PLAN AT THIS POINT.
THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE HERE AND IT SEEMS TO HAVE FALLEN BY THE WAYSIDE.
AUTOZONE? YEAH, IT'S KLINE IN, UH, YES.
AUTOZONE OFFICIALLY PULLED OFF THE, PULLED THEIR APPLICATION COMPLETELY.
THEY SAID THEY WILL NOT BE PURSUING THAT LAND DEVELOPMENT.
YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO GO TO ROY SHORT FOR WHATEVER WIPERS AND BATTERIES YOU MIGHT NEED.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, CONCERNS, QUESTIONS? NOT, YES.
WE'VE GOT ONE OF OUR SH SHORTER MEETINGS TONIGHT.
ANYBODY READY TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS? IF NOT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.