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YEAH, I KNEW I KNEW THAT FROM, OKAY.
YOU READY? YOU GUYS READY? JEFF? YOU READY? YES.
[CALL TO ORDER]
OKAY.WE'RE A CALL TO ORDER THE UPPER PROVIDENCE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 1ST.
UH, GOT A SMALL GROUP TONIGHT SO WE DON'T MM-HMM.
AGAIN, THAT WAS MORE OF A, A ZOOM HANGOVER.
THEN WE'LL, WE'LL DISPENSE FROM THAT
CAUSE JUST FOR THE RECORD, EVERYBODY'S HERE.
[MOTION TO APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA]
THING ON AGENDA IS TO, UH, UH, UM, APPROVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA.WHAT'S THAT, JEFF? THIS, THIS IS NEW.
SHE'S SORT OF THE KEEPER OF THE AGENDAS.
SHE SORT OF POINTED OUT THAT IF WE CHANGE THE AGENDA, WE HAVE TO VOTE ON IT BECAUSE IT'S POSTED WITHIN 24 HOURS.
IT HAS TO BE POSTED WITHIN 24 HOURS.
SO JUST SORT OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE EFFORT TO MAKE SURE IT ALL SORT OF FOLLOWS FORM.
WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA BEFORE THE AGENDA, BEFORE WE START THE, AS WE START THE MEETING.
SO WE'RE APPROVING THIS AGENDA.
SO WE'RE APPROVING THE AGENDA IN FRONT OF US, WHICH IS TWO, UH, APPLICANTS.
UH, SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING.
BOB'S MOVED THAT WE, UH, ACCEPT THE MOTION.
OPPOSED? HEARING NONE AND HAS PASSED, JEFF.
UM, SO NOW WE'LL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON NON-AD AGENDA ITEMS. NOBODY RUSH UP HERE.
UM, SO MOVING PAST THAT, WE'LL
[GENERAL DISCUSSION ITEMS]
GO ON TO OUR GENERAL DISCUSSION, WHICH IS THE FIRST THING WOULD BE APPROVING THE MINUTES FOR THE MONTH OF JANUARY, JANUARY 4TH MEETING AND OUR FAMOUS JANUARY 18TH MEETING.SO I ASSUME IT'S IN THE PACKET.
LOOK THROUGH IT QUICKLY IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY.
AND I'LL TAKE A MOTION WHEN SOMEBODY'S READY TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE FOURTH, AND THEN WE'LL DO THE 18TH.
THE COURT HAS MADE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE MINUTES.
UH, DO I HAVE A SECOND? UH, BOB HAS SECOND.
ALL RIGHT, JEFF, WE'LL MOVE ON
[APPLICATIONS TO BE HEARD ON FEBRUARY 1, 2023]
TO OUR, UH, APPLICANTS TO BE HEARD TONIGHT.AND THE FIRST ONE IS, UM, UH, UH, 1 33 OLD MILL ROAD, MINOR SUBDIVISION.
AND DO WE HAVE, UH, ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE TO THE JOE? ANYTHING? NO.
SO WE'LL MOVE TO, UH, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE FROM THAT GROUP? YOU DO? PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND TALK INTO THE MICROPHONE SO THAT THEY PICK YOU UP? SURE.
I'M WITH BARUCH ASSOCIATES, UH, REPRESENTING SPRING FORD, UH, SCHOOL DISTRICT.
UH, ROBERT HUNTER, WHO IS THEIR DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES IS HERE ON BEHALF OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
UH, THE PROJECT THAT'S BEFORE US TONIGHT, UH, AS WE, I GUESS WE STARTED THIS BACK IN, I'M GONNA SAY THIS PROBABLY THE SUMMER OF, WOW, IT'S GONNA BE 2021, I THINK IT WAS.
UH, AND IT'S, UH, AT 1 33
IT'S EXISTING FARMHOUSE THAT WAS PART OF THE OVERALL, WHAT I'LL CALL HIGH SCHOOL CAMPUS, UH, PROPERTY.
IT SITS ON, UH, A 66 ACRE PARCEL.
UH, THAT'S, THAT'S WITHIN, UH, THE UPPER PROVIDENCE LANDS I WILL CALL OF, OF THE CAMPUS.
UH, CONTAINS A, UH, SMALL FARMHOUSE, UH, ALSO A, UH, AN ACCESSORY BUILDING, UH, LIKE THAT SITS RIGHT BACK BEHIND IT.
YOU TALKING ABOUT CURRENTLY, EXCUSE ME? CURRENTLY? CURRENTLY, EXACTLY.
AND BASICALLY WHAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DECIDED THAT THEY WANTED TO DO WAS TO SUBDIVIDE OFF THIS FARMHOUSE ONTO ITS OWN LOT SO THAT THEY COULD SELL IT.
SO, UH, WE CAME IN WITH A MINOR SUBDIVISION PLAN, UH, AS WE GOT INTO THE DESIGN OF IT, UH, BASED ON THE EXISTING CONSTRAINTS OF HAVING OLD MILL ROAD, UH, OF HAVING THE EXISTING, UH, THE OLD BARNS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING USED AS, UH, MAINTENANCE BUILDINGS, AS WELL AS THE, UH, THE PRACTICE, UH, UH, FOOTBALL FOR ATHLETIC FIELDS THERE.
UH, IT, IT LIMITED US AS TO THE SIZE OF THE LOT THAT WE COULD GET THERE.
WE COULD GET, UH, IT, I THINK IT'S 0.85 ACRES, UH, IT'S GROSS 0.78
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ACRES NET.AND IN THIS DISTRICT, WE NEEDED TO HAVE ONE ACRE MINIMUM, UH, LOT SIZE.
SO IN DECEMBER OF 2021, WE WENT TO THE ZONING HEARING BOARD.
UH, WE WERE GRANTED RELIEF, UH, TO, UH, FOR THE REDUCED LOT SIZE AS, AS SHOWN ON THE PLAN.
AND, UH, BELIEVE IT WAS IN MAY OF 2022, WE SUBMITTED THE MINOR SUBDIVISION PLAN.
UH, WE HAD, UH, WE'VE RECEIVED A REVIEW LETTER ON THOSE.
WE MET WITH STAFF ON SEVERAL ISSUES, UH, MAINLY, UH, REGARDING, UH, WHAT WE WERE GONNA DO WITH OLD MILL ROAD AS WELL.
UH, AND THE CONCERN, I BELIEVE WAS WITH REGARD TO, UH, TO, TO THE TOWNSHIP PLOW TRUCKS AND, AND ACCESS, UH, BACK TO, BACK TO THE LOT.
UH, SO CURRENTLY IT IS A, UH, IT, IT'S A, A GRAVEL, UH, ROAD, UH, THAT, THAT GOES BACK.
UH, THERE'S A, A GRAVEL DRIVEWAY THAT, THAT SERVES THE, THE MAINTENANCE BUILDINGS.
UH, THE INTENT WOULD BE TO PUT AN EASEMENT ON THAT DRIVEWAY THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD THEN, THEN USE, UH, YOU KNOW, BE, BE USED TO ACCESS TO DWELLING, UH, AS WELL AS CONTINUED, UH, TO USE THE, OR, UH, SERVICE AND MAINTENANCE BUILDINGS.
IN DISCUSSIONS WITH TOWNSHIP STAFF, UH, THERE WAS A DESIRE TO, UH, TO HAVE PROVISIONS FOR, FOR TWO THINGS.
ONE WAS A PLOW TURNAROUND, THE OTHER WAS FIRE TRUCK ACCESS.
SO, UH, WITH REGARD TO THE PLOW TURNAROUND, UH, WE ALL CAME TO AGREEMENT, UH, THAT WE WERE GONNA SHOW, UH, SORT OF A EXPANDED AREA AS WE PULL IN, MAKE A LEFT INTO THE DRIVEWAY, UH, FOR A PLOW TO BE ABLE TO GO IN AND, AND TURN AROUND.
UH, THE ONE THING, UH, COMMON CAME UP.
UH, YOUR CONSULTANTS AND STAFF WANTED IT PAVED.
SO THAT AREA, UH, YOU KNOW, ON THE, UH, YOU KNOW, ON THE, WHAT I'LL SAY, THE, THE FINAL PLAN FOR RECORDING IF, IF SO APPROVED, UH, THAT THAT AREA WOULD BE PAVED.
UH, AND THEN THE SECOND WAS WITH REGARD TO FIRE, UH, UH, ACCESS FOR A FIRETRUCK.
UH, MR. HUNTER, UH, DID MEET ON SITE WITH YOUR, YOUR FIRE MARSHAL, UH, AND CONFIRMED THAT, UH, THAT HE WOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, TO, TO MANEUVER HIS TRUCKS, UH, UTILIZING, UH, THE EXISTING GRAVEL AREAS, WHICH WE WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH A, AN EASEMENT, UH, YOU KNOW, AGREEMENT AS WELL AS, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT PLOW TURNAROUND.
ALSO, UH, WE DID DEPICT, UH, THOSE MOVEMENTS, UH, ON THE, UH, ON THE PLAN THE BEST THAT WE COULD.
AND I BELIEVE THERE ARE A COUPLE COMMENTS ABOUT JUST REFINING THE EASEMENT AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT WE ARE AGREEABLE TO DO, UH, AND, AND COMPLY WITH.
SO, UH, WE, WE DID RECEIVE, UH, I BELIEVE THE LATEST REVIEW LETTERS ARE DECEMBER 12TH, UH, FROM GILMORE.
AND, UH, THINK IT WAS DECEMBER 14TH, 2022 FOR, UH, MCMAHON.
UH, WE ARE AGREEABLE TO COMPLY WITH, UH, WITH, WITH THE, THE, THE COMMENTS.
THEY WERE, I BELIEVE, UH, PRETTY MINOR IN NATURE.
UH, THERE WERE, I BELIEVE, FOUR WAIVERS, UH, WITH REGARD TO, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, IMPROVEMENTS TO OLD MILL ROAD, UH, INSTALLING SIDEWALKS AND CURBING AND STREET TREES, LONG OLD MILL ROAD, WHICH, UH, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE, THE NATURE OF THE ROAD, UH, AND, AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE USE BEING REALLY LIMITED TO, UH, TO, TO, TO THAT ONE HOUSE AND, AND THE MAINTENANCE BUILDINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE THOUGHT WAS APPROPRIATE.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, HOPEFULLY WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD FOR MINOR SUBDIVISION APPROVAL, SUBJECT TO, UH, ADDRESSING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE COMMENTS OF THE REVIEWS, AS WELL AS ANY AGREEMENTS OR OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAT, UH, THAT YOUR SOLICITOR, UH, YOU KNOW, WILL COME UP WITH AS PART OF THE FINAL ADMINISTRATION PHASE.
WELL, I, FIRST I'D JUST LIKE TO ASK OUR CONSULTANTS ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO COMMENT ON OR ANY ISSUES.
ANTHONY, JEN? UH, YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION.
THE UTILITIES FOR THE HOUSE, DO YOU SHOW THE, UM, UTILITY EASEMENT ACCESS AND UTILITY EASEMENT? WHAT UTILITIES ARE IN THAT EASEMENT AND WHAT DO, DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE SANITARY? WELL, BASICALLY, AND I, ROBERT CAN ANSWER ABOUT THE SANITARY, THAT THE UTILITY EASEMENT WAS JUST FOR LIKE, FUTURE.
THERE ARE NO EXISTING UTILITIES OUT THERE EXCEPT FOR, UH, THERE IS A, UH, A 15 INCH STORM PIPE THAT, THAT CROSSES UNDER THE DRIVEWAY CURRENTLY.
UH, BUT WE, WE BASICALLY JUST CALLED THAT AN ACCESS AND UTILITY EASEMENT TO ALLOW FOR IT IN THE FUTURE, IF THERE WOULD NEED TO BE SOME SORT OF UTILITIES RUN, YOU KNOW, UP TO THE, UH, MAINTENANCE BUILDING OR, OR TO THE, TO THE DWELLING THAT THEY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
SO, AND I DON'T, YEAH, AS FAR AS THE SEWAGE IS CONCERNED, IT'S SEPTIC.
UM, WE HAD A CONSULTANT COME OUT PRIOR TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, UH, THE GROUND WOULD PERK, UH, AND WE HAVE EXPECTATIONS OF, UH, CHANGING UP THE SEPTIC PART TO THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND IT WAS GONNA BE WITHIN THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY ITSELF, CORRECT? FOR THE HOME? YES, CORRECT.
YEAH, WE DID ON THE PLAN, WE DID SHOW, UH, THE PRELIMINARY LIMITS FOR THE ON LOT SEWAGE, UH, DISPOSAL SYSTEM THAT THE CONSULTANT HAD DONE.
UH, ONCE WE GET THROUGH THIS, THEN WE WILL ACTUALLY START DOING, UH, WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO DOCUMENT IT ON THE PLAN PRIOR
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TO, TO RECORDING OF THE PLAN, OR WHERE IS THE SYSTEM YOU'RE ABANDONING ON THE PROPERTY? UH, IT'S, IT'S OUT IN FRONT, UM, OF THE HOUSE.SO IT'S ALSO ON LOT ONE? CORRECT.
JUST TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ANYTHING BEFORE ME.
NO, IF THE, IF EVERYTHING'S WE'LL COMPLY IN OUR LETTER, THEN THERE'S NO ISSUES ON MY END.
SO THAT WAS THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD COMING IN.
ISN'T THERE AN APARTMENT ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE WHEN YOU FIRST START UP THAT GRAVEL ROAD ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE? THAT'S THE HOUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S THE HOUSE YOU'RE REFERRING TO? IT'S A HOUSE, YEAH, WE, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER HOUSE BACK FURTHER TOO, HUH? UM, THERE'S A BUILDING, UH, THERE'S A, UM, A SHED, UH, AND A COUPLE ANCILLARY BUILDINGS, BUT IT'S A FAMILY DWELLING ON THAT PROPERTY.
THAT'S THE, THE HOUSE IN QUESTION.
THERE'S NO OTHER HOMES ON THERE.
THERE WOULD BE, UH, JUST STORAGE FACILITIES, BUILDINGS.
SO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ON OLD MILL ROAD ITSELF? YES.
SO THE ONE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE BEFORE YOU GET TO YOUR YEAH.
BUT THERE'S ANOTHER HOUSE BACK THERE ON THE LEFT.
THAT'S THE HOUSE ON THE LEFT IS THE DISTRICT'S PROPERTY.
THE HOUSE ON THE RIGHT IS NOT THE DISTRICT'S PROPERTY.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION, BUT THEY WILL USE THIS ROAD, IT'S PUBLIC ROAD.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE USE OF THE TWO MAINTENANCE BUILDINGS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY? UH, IT'S A STORAGE SHED.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, EQUIPMENT IN THERE, LAWN EQUIPMENT.
UM, IT'S ANCILLARY, UH, GROUNDS, MATERIALS, UH, AND ACROSS, UH, FROM THAT, UH, IS, UH, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A, A LEAN TO, UH, FOR SCHOOL POLICE VEHICLES THAT PARK THERE AT NIGHT.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, UH, UH, A SHOP THERE THAT, UM, WE FIX HOME MOWERS AT.
AND FOLLOW UP QUESTION, IS IT CURRENTLY USED FOR ANY TYPE OF EGRESS OR EMERGENCY ACCESS FOR, LIKE, SPORTS ACTIVITIES THAT ARE HAPPENING BACK THERE? IT'S NOT.
BILLY, ANY QUESTIONS? JOE, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING TO DO HERE? APPROVE THE, APPROVE THE, UM, UM, TO GO TO THE SUPERVISOR.
RECOMMENDING TO THE SUPERVISOR.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY FOLLOW UP WITH, FOR THESE GENTLEMEN OR, UH, QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS OR SOUNDS LIKE THE, UH, CONSULTANTS ARE OKAY WITH EVERYTHING YOU'RE GONNA FORM? UH, SO IF EVERYBODY DOESN'T HAVE, I'LL TAKE ANY MOTION YOU WANT TO PUT OUT THERE.
WHOEVER WILL PUT A MOTION ON, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, RECOMMEND.
GILLEY'S MADE A MOTION TO RECO RECOMMEND TO THE SUPERVISOR'S APPROVAL OF THIS PLAN FOR A MINOR SUBDIVISION ON THIS PROPERTY ON ELMO ROAD, OLD MILL ROAD.
UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? I'LL TAKE A SECOND IF SOMEBODY'D LIKE THE SECOND, I'LL SECOND IT, RIGHT, BOB, SECOND IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
YOU'LL BE ON THE AGENDA FOR THE 21ST, WHICH IS THE DAY AFTER PRESIDENT'S DAY FOR THE BOARD.
THINK I HAVE A ANOTHER? UH, IF, IF YOU NEED TO CHANGE IT, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
WELL, I CAN SEE, UH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, HE, HE, I'M SURE ROB PROBABLY CAN HANDLE IT FINE, BUT THAT'S YOUR CALL.
AND IF YOU NEED ME TO MOVE YOU, JUST LET ME KNOW.
SO THE SECOND THING ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT IS, UM, THE OAKS SHOPPING CENTER AMENDED FINAL PLAN.
AND BOY, FOR LIFE OF ME, JEFF, I CANNOT REMEMBER THIS.
WELL, THIS, THE SHOPPING CENTER CAME IN, I, I WOULD SAY AT LEAST A DECADE AGO.
I MEAN, IT, IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE A WHILE.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S GENERATED THIS PLAN AND AUDUBON LAND DEVELOPMENT ISN'T HERE TONIGHT.
I TOLD 'EM THEY DIDN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO COME.
UM, THE ISSUE WAS THAT THE ORIGINAL PLAN, AND YOU CAN SEE IT UP IN THE AERIAL, HAD A ONE DUMPSTER SITE THERE TOWARDS THE BACK, UM, IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE.
TOM ERLING, OUR, OUR FIRE MARSHAL ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF, HE WOULD BE DRIVING THE SITE.
HE WOULD GO DOWN THERE AND HE WOULD SEE OTHER USERS HAD BOUGHT, BROUGHT THEIR OWN DUMPSTERS IN, PUT THEM IN THE FIRE LANE.
OTHER CARS WERE PARKING IN THERE, IN THE, IN THE FIRE LANE.
SO HE SPOKE TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, AUDUBON LAND DEVELOPMENT, AND SAID, WELL, YOU EITHER NEED TO CLEAN THESE DUMPSTERS UP, GO BACK TO THE CENTRAL DUMPSTER, OR COME UP WITH A NEW PLAN OF WHERE THESE DUMPSTERS ARE,
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WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE ENCLOSED, AND, AND STOP PARKING IN HERE.WHICH IS QUITE FUNNY CUZ YOU CAN SEE A CAR, YOU KNOW, RIGHT THERE.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE PARKING BACK IN THAT FIRE LANE.
SO AUDUBON LAND DEVELOPMENT CAME UP WITH A PLAN TO CREATE THREE MORE DUMPSTER SITES.
WE'VE LOOKED AT IT FROM A STORMWATER STANDPOINT.
I WON'T SPEAK FOR JEN, BUT I, WE'VE LOOKED AT IT FROM A CIVIL ENGINEERING STANDPOINT.
IT, IT COMPLIES TOM ERLING, HE'S OKAY WITH IT.
HE'S COMFORTABLE WITH THIS PLAN.
UM, IT DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT MUCH, BUT BECAUSE IT'S A CHANGE TO THE PLAN THAT'S OVER 2000 SQUARE FEET, WE'RE MAKING THEM COME BACK FOR JUST AN AMENDED FINAL PLAN.
NOW, DID THIS, THIS HANDLES THE DUMPSTERS, WHAT ABOUT THE PARKING? WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S A CITATION ISSUE.
THAT'S A CITATION ISSUE FOR A MANAGEMENT OF THE YES.
THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN, I MEAN, FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT OR PLANNING STANDPOINT, RIGHT.
THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
IT, IT'S, IT'S, THAT'S TOM'S ISSUE.
AND YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THIS DOESN'T FIX THAT PART.
BUT THAT, THAT'S HIS ISSUE TO WORRY ABOUT.
NOT SO THIS IS JUST TO GET DUMPSTERS OUT OF THE FIRE.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, FROM A, FROM A A USER STANDPOINT, IT MAKES SENSE.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE AT ONE END AND YOU'VE GOTTA WALK DOWN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT OR LATE AT NIGHT, TAKE YOUR TRASH DOWN THROUGH THE ALLEY.
I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THAT'S A LITTLE DISCONCERTING FOR SOME PEOPLE.
SO HOPEFULLY THIS HELPS THE ISSUE OUT.
SO WE HAVE NO, UH, WE HAVE NO APPLICANT HERE, BUT DOES, NO, WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR, FOR JEN OR UH, UH, JEFF, ON WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH A, WITH A LOT OF THESE AMENDED FINAL PLANS.
IT'S, THEY SUBMIT THE PLANS AND WE GO BACK AND FORTH TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO ISSUES, THERE'S NO ENGINEERING QUESTIONS.
THERE'S NOTHING REALLY IN THE LETTER BEFORE WE BRING IT TO YOU.
I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE A REASONABLE REQUEST AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SO ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR JOE, AGAIN, JUST APPROVAL OF TO THE SUPERVISORS? YEAH, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
CHIEF
THEY'RE CUTTING INTO A PRETTY STEEP HILL.
AND, AND JEN'S LOOKED AT IT FOR THE WATER RUNOFF.
YEAH, THEY DID AN ACCOUNTING OF THAT BASED ON THEIR CURRENT DESIGN.
SO I'LL, I'LL ENTERTAIN ANOTHER MOTION FROM SOMEBODY THAT SAYS WE CAN APPROVE THIS TO SET IT TO THE SUPERVISORS WITH OUR APPROVAL.
WANTS TO MAKE THAT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
BOB'S MADE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THESE ADDITIONAL DUMPSTER, UH, LOCATIONS, UM, AT THE OAK SHOPPING CENTER.
AND, UM, UM, I'LL TAKE A SECOND.
ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I'LL TAKE A VOTE.
JEFF, YOU CAN PASS THAT ON TO THE SUPERVISORS.
THE ONLY OTHER THING TO TALK ABOUT WOULD BE
[DISCUSSION: FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]
JUST FUTURE MEETINGS, UH, FEBRUARY 15TH.THE AGENDA'S A LITTLE HEAVY, BUT I, I THINK IT'S THINGS WE CAN GET THROUGH RELATIVELY QUICKLY.
HOPWOOD ROAD TOWNHOUSES, THEIR PRELIMINARY PLAN IS IN, WE'VE HAD A MEETING, WE'VE, THE, THE CONSULTANTS HAVE ISSUED LETTERS.
WE'VE MET WITH THEM, ADDRESSED SOME OF THE ISSUES, AND THEY'RE HOPEFULLY SUBMITTING REVISED PLANS RELATIVELY SOON THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH AND HAVE CLEANER LETTERS.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET TO COMPLETELY CLEAN LETTERS CUZ IT'S ONLY PRELIMINARY, BUT WE'LL GET THEM CLEANED UP.
UH, SAME THING WITH SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD.
IT'S, IT'S THEIR PRELIMINARY PLAN.
THEY'RE, THEY HAVE AN AMENDED FINAL PLAN.
THEY'RE ADDING ABOUT A 3000 SQUARE FOOT AREA ONTO THE BACK OF THEIR PROPERTY.
THAT'S EXPANDING SOME OF THEIR SCHOOL.
AGAIN, IT, I KIND OF HOLD FAST TO THIS 2000 SQUARE FOOT LIMIT.
IF YOU, IF YOU'RE CHANGING IT AT ANYTHING PAST 2000, YOU AT LEAST HAVE TO RUN THE, THE PROCESS THROUGH AGAIN.
SOMETIMES IT'S A LITTLE PICKY, I'LL FREELY ADMIT THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA DRAW THE LINE SOMEWHERE.
BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, IT'S GONNA BE 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO, UM, HOW, HOW MUCH ARE THEY ASKING TO GIVE YOU? I THINK IT'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN TWO AND 3000.
SO THAT, THAT'S MY PROPOSED AGENDA FOR FEBRUARY.
BARRING ANY CHANGES GENERALLY, UNLESS SOMETHING ELSE COMES UP, I, I THINK THAT WOULD GIVE US THE MARCH MEETING OFF MARCH 1ST.
SO IF YOU THINK WE GET THROUGH THOSE TWO THINGS, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A MEETING ON THE FIRST.
I I TEND TO THINK THAT THAT'S HOW IT WOULD WORK.
I MEAN, LOVER'S LANE, IF THAT WERE TO COME BACK AGAIN, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THEIR PLANS IF THEY WERE ASKING TO BE ON AGENDA.
BUT WE HAVE SOME LATITUDE WITH THAT.
UM, THERE'S NO OTHER FINAL PLANS THAT ARE CLOSE.
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YOUR KEY STATION TOLL FOLEY OR, UH, BE HOME AND GARDEN.AMELIA STREET TOWNHOMES, YOU'VE TOLD THEM THEIR NEXT STEP IS TO FILE FOR THE ZONING RELIEF AND THEY HAVEN'T APPLIED FOR THAT YET.
SO I DON'T EXPECT THEM TO BE BACK.
NOTHING FROM UM, LEWIS ROAD THERE AT THE CORNER? NO.
THEY HAVE THEIR PRELIMINARY PLAN APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD.
SO, UH, I GUESS THEY'RE WAITING TO EITHER SUBMIT FINAL PLANS OR WORKING THROUGH WHATEVER LAST ISSUES THEY MAY HAVE WITH THE FINAL PLANS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UM, THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT RIGHT NOW, THEY WANT TO KNOW IF THE TOWNSHIP WANTS TO GO IN WITH THEM ON SOME OF THE WORK.
THERE'S WORK THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO, BUT THEY'RE WILLING TO DO.
DO SOME OF THAT CURB WORK? SOME OF THE CURB WORK THAT THE TOWNSHIP WOULD MAYBE DO LATER? THEY WOULD DO IT NOW, WHICH COULD BE DONE.
CHEAPER WITHOUT PREVAILING WAGE NOT APPLYING TO THEM.
UM, BUT WE HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT WITH THE STAFF AND SUPERVISORS.
SO HOW MUCH ANYBODY'S WILLING TO COMMIT TO THAT RIGHT NOW? YEAH, I REMEMBER THAT.
SO, UH, AT THIS POINT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE 15TH, BUT NOT THE, UH, FIRST, RIGHT? UNLESS NOW THAT, THAT MAY CHANGE.
OR CERTAINLY IF, IF, YOU KNOW, AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE 15TH, SOMEONE MAY ASK TO BE PUSHED OFF.
YOU KNOW, I'M FAIRLY FLEXIBLE.
NO, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FIRST.
YOU PUT THE FIRST YOU ANTICIPATE THAT ANYTHING WOULD BE GOING, I DON'T, RIGHT NOW.
I DO NOT ANTICIPATE ANYTHING BEING ON THAT AGENDA UNLESS WE GET A BRAND NEW APPLICATION THAT'S RELATIVELY SIMPLE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, WE'RE TWO MONTHS OUT AND THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO GET IT REVIEWED AND, AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF, SO.
SO, UH, EVERYBODY, WE'LL, WE'LL MEET ON THE 15TH, SAME, UH, PLACE TIME.
AND THEN WE WILL, UH, RIGHT NOW MARCH 1ST, WE'LL BE, UM, WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT, JOE.
I DO NOT SAYING DEFINITELY OFF YET, RIGHT? YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE GONNA NO, LOOK AT THAT ON THE 15TH.
YEAH, WE'LL DO THAT ON THE 15TH.
WE'LL LOOK AT THE 15TH, BUT AS RIGHT NOW, IT MAY NOT HAPPEN.
I'M JUST, I'M LETTING YOU PLAN YOUR CALENDARS A LITTLE BIT AND THAT'S GOOD.
SORT OF GIVING MR. PETERS A HEADS UP FOR WHAT MEETINGS HE DOESN'T HAVE TO COME TO.
SO, UH, I GUESS, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE ME TOO? NOTHING? NO.
YOU WANT TO STICK AROUND AND TELL STORIES OR
UM, YOU KNOW THAT YOU GAVE THEM YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS OR NON RECOMMENDATIONS OR ANTI RECOMMENDATIONS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TERM IS.
UM, THEY HAVEN'T ASKED TO BE ON AN AGENDA, SO WE, WE'LL WAIT TO SEE, KIND OF LET APPLICANTS ASK TO BE ON AN AGENDA IF THEY DON'T, IF THEY'RE NOT LOOPED RIGHT INTO A MEETING LIKE I JUST DID WITH SPRING FORWARD.
SO, AND YOU SAID THAT IF THEY DO COME BACK, THEY, YOU, YOU NEED 45 DAYS BECAUSE WELL, THAT IF FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE HEARING, YES.
I NEED SOME, I NEED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF LEAD TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ADVERTISED, UM, CORRECTLY.
AND JUST TO PUT THIS OUT THERE, NOT THE, MAYBE SOMEONE'S WATCHING ON OUR WEBSITE, IF YOU WANNA BE NOTIFIED OF THE HEARING DATES ON THE TOWNSHIP'S WEBSITE, THERE IS A, A SPACE THAT YOU CAN PUT YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS IN AND WE WILL SEND YOU THE NOTICE WHEN WE PUBLISH THE NOTICE.
I KNOW JOE HAD PUT OUT THERE AT THE LAST MEETING TO, TO EMAIL ME.
YOU CAN STILL DO THAT IF YOU WANT TO.
AND I WILL JUST FORWARD IT TO CHERYL HOOTS, THE KEEPER OF THAT LIST.
UM, OTHERWISE IT'S JUST AS EASY TO GO TO THE WEBSITE AND IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THE MAIN BULLET POINTS ON THERE, OR MAIN BLOCKS OF INFORMATION WE THOUGHT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER.
WELL, IF, UH, I'M SORRY, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION
IT'S NOT, YEAH, IT'S NOT WHETHER THEY WOULDN'T JUST BE, I WOULD STILL BE ADVISING THE SUPERVISORS.
A A SECOND ATTORNEY COULD PRESENT EVIDENCE AT THE HEARING.
IT'S A MATTER OF SPLITTING THE FUNCTIONS.
I I COULDN'T BE THE PROSECUTOR, SO TO SPEAK.
AND ALSO ADVISING THE COURT SURE.
SO IT, IT'S A MATTER OF HIRING ANOTHER LAWYER UNAFFILIATED WITH ME TO PRESENT EVIDENCE.
AND, UM, STAFF IS WORKING ON THAT.
I WANTED TO COMPLETELY SEPARATE IT FROM ME.
UH, AND SO, UM, STAFF'S IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING SOMEBODY HIRED FOR THAT, ALTHOUGH THERE'S NO URGENCY TO THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SEEKING A HEARING RIGHT NOW.
AND, AND THAT ADVO THAT THAT ATTORNEY'S IS TO ADVOCATE FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY PRESENTED.
R NOT ADVOCATING A DIFFERENT PLAN, INTRODUCING ADDITIONAL RELEVANT EVIDENCE REGARDING THE PLAN.
REGARDING THEIR PLAN, WHAT WHAT MIGHT BE NON-COMPLIANT ABOUT THEIR PLAN, WHICH COULD LEAD TO A SUPERVISOR'S VOTING NOT TO ACCEPT AGAINST IT.
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HUH? THAT, THAT OUGHTA BE INTERESTING.THE WHOLE THING WILL BE INTERESTING.
AND SOMEBODY WILL AND SOMEBODY WILL BE UNHAPPY.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, AJ A SECOND.