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I'LL CALL THIS, UH,[Board of Supervisors on March 29, 2021.]
SPECIAL MEETING OF THE UPPER PROVIDENCE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO ORDER, UH, MONDAY, MARCH 29TH.AND, UH, OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, AND I THINK WE'LL JUST TAKE A, A MOMENT'S SILENCE AND, UH, AND CONSIDER ALL WE'VE BEEN THROUGH IN THE LAST YEAR.
AND, UH, HOPEFULLY FOLKS WILL CONSIDER CONTINUING TO BE CAREFUL FOR IT JUST A LITTLE WHILE LONGER.
SHE'S ON, SHE'S, SHE'S, SHE'S FINE.
WE'LL GO AHEAD THEN WITH THE MEETING.
I, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
I THINK EVERYBODY SAW THIS ON FRIDAY.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
AND I'LL CALL THE ROLL SUPERVISOR.
OUR FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS TO RECEIVE AN UPDATE FROM THE LIBRARY WORKING COMMITTEE AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING, UH, A RECORD.
JOHN, ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY, WE'RE, SINCE THIS IS A SPECIAL MEETING, YOU'RE REQUIRED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
THIS IS THE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND THROUGH THE ZOOM APPLICATION, AND, UH, DEPENDING ON, UH, WHICH PLATFORM YOU'RE ON, THAT WILL BE UNDER PARTICIPANTS.
UM, RAISE YOUR HAND, OR IT MAY BE IN ONE OF THE OTHER BORDERS.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE RAISING THEIR HAND? MR. NO, I'M NOT SEEING ANYBODY TONIGHT.
CHAIRMAN, LEMME LOOK THROUGH THERE REAL QUICK.
WELL, WE HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT TONIGHT.
UM, SO LET'S, UH, GO AHEAD WITH ITEM ONE THEN, AND, UH, RECEIVE AN UPDATE ON THE, FROM THE LIBRARY WORKING COMMITTEE.
UM, I'M GOING TO JUST KICK IT OFF AND LIKE WE DID OUR LAST MEETING, WE HAVE ON OUR PANEL, OUR TWO CONSULTANTS FROM DEWEY AND, UH, AND, UM, L S S GUYS, UH, DEBBIE, OR, UH, CHRIS, I'LL LET YOU GUYS DECIDE HOW YOU WANNA TAKE THE ORDER.
UM, I THINK EV THE BOARD MEMBERS WERE GIVEN A TIMELINE.
I THOUGHT MAYBE WE MIGHT WANNA START WITH THAT, AND YOU CAN GO OVER THE LOGIC THAT YOU USED, AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS, UM, SOME OF THE COMPONENTS OF THOSE STEPS.
UH, ONE OF WHICH WAS A, A FUNDRAISING.
UM, IN THAT CASE, CHRIS, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO SHARE MY SCREEN? AND WE CAN, I'VE GOT THE TIMELINE PULLED UP AND WE CAN WALK THROUGH IT.
DO YOU WANT THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL, TIM? YOU CAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIKE READ A VERBATIM, BUT I, I THINK, UH, HAVE IT UP THERE IN CASE THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON ANY STEPS.
YOU CAN JUST GIVE A HIGH, GIVE A HIGH LEVEL, GIVE A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW.
SO, ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD, CHRIS.
I WAS GONNA SAY IS, UM, THE, THE COMMITTEE'S BEEN WORKING THROUGH THIS AND ONE OF THE, KIND OF LAY A TIMELINE, SO EVERYBODY, UH, UM, AT THE TOWNSHIP KIND OF HAD A UNDERSTANDING OF HOW WE THOUGHT THE, UH, THE PROCESS WOULD MOVE FORWARD AS FAR AS PLANNING FOR THE PROJECT, GETTING AN ARCHITECT AND HAVING THAT WORK HAND IN HAND WITH THE TOWNSHIP DOING THEIR FUNDRAISING.
I'LL LET THEM TALK MORE ABOUT THE FUNDRAISING END OF IT.
UM, BUT I THINK THE COMMITTEE WAS PRETTY MUCH SETTLED ON, UM, ISSUING AN R F P FOR ARCHITECTS.
NOW, AS FAR AS THAT GOES, THERE'S A COUPLE WAYS WE COULD HANDLE THAT.
ONE IS YOU SEND THE RFP OUT TO A SELECT GROUP OF ARCHITECTS, WHETHER THAT'S FIVE OR 10, I'D SAY NO MORE THAN 10 OR 12.
UM, THE OTHER WAY TO DO IT IS JUST PUT THE RFP OUT THERE AND SEE HOW MANY ARCHITECTS YOU GET.
UM, I CAN TELL YOU IF YOU GO THE SECOND ROUTE, MY GUESS WOULD BE YOU'RE GONNA GET ABOUT A HUNDRED ARCHITECTS AND THEY'RE GONNA BE FROM ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY, UM, GIVING YOU A PROPOSAL TO, UH, DO YOUR LIBRARY FOR YOU.
UM, SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO GO WITH A SELECT FEW, UM, OBVIOUSLY
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THE TWO ARCHITECTS THAT LSS HAS BEEN WORKING WITH TO GET US TO THIS POINT.UM, THEY SHOULD CERTAINLY BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE YOU A PROPOSAL TO DO THE WORK, AND THEN WE WOULD SELECT A FEW OTHERS IN THE AREA, THE ONES THAT, UM, HAVE LIBRARY EXPERIENCE, ONES THAT, UM, YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH OR COMFORTABLE WITH L S S ARE COMFORTABLE WITH AND, AND GO FROM THERE.
SO IN ORDER TO GET THAT R F RFP OUT, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE, ACCORDING TO THE SCHEDULE HERE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH MARCH WITH THIS, BUT WE'D ANTICIPATE MAYBE ANOTHER TWO WEEKS TO NAIL DOWN EXACTLY WHAT THAT RFP WOULD BE.
AND THINGS THAT WE WOULD WANT TO INCLUDE IN THE RFP WOULD BE THE PROGRAM THAT'S BEEN DEVELOPED, UM, THE BUDGET ESTIMATE THAT'S BEEN DEVELOPED, THIS SCHEDULE, KIND OF GIVING THEM THE OUTLINE OF WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT FROM THEM TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE WOULD BE RECEIVING BIDS.
UM, THE SITE LOCATION WOULD BE, UM, IMPORTANT TO HAVE IN THAT RFP.
AND THEN TOWARDS THE END OF APRIL, ISSUE THAT RFP.
NOW THE RFP ITSELF WOULD BE SOMEWHAT LIKE WE DID WITH THE FIREHOUSE, WHERE IT'S KIND OF, FOR A LACK OF BETTER TERMS, A DESIGN COMPETITION.
UM, WE'D GIVE THE ARCHITECTS AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE CAN UP FRONT AND LET THEM COME UP WITH A PLAN ON HOW THEY INTERPRET YOUR NEEDS AND WANTS WITHOUT, WITHOUT HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT.
UM, GOTTA GIVE THEM TIME TO MAKE THOSE PLANS PRESENTED.
YOU GUYS WOULD NARROW IT DOWN TO INTERVIEWING MAYBE THREE OR FOUR OF THOSE ARCHITECTS, AND FROM THERE YOU WOULD MAKE A SELECTION.
SO WE WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT SELECTION TO HAPPEN TOWARDS THE END OF JUNE.
UM, FROM THERE WE WOULD GO INTO THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN PHASE AND THE WAY THE RFP IS SET UP, AND THEIR CONTRACT WOULD BE, THE ARCHITECT WOULD HAVE A SCHEMATIC DESIGN SIGNATURE, A CAPITAL FUNDRAISING SIGNATURE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT, BIDDING PHASE, AND THEN CONSTRUCTION.
SO EACH ONE OF THOSE WOULD HAVE A SIGN OFF.
UM, SO WHEN YOU HIRE THE ARCHITECT, AND AGAIN, IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE WAY WE DID THE FIREHOUSE.
YOU'RE APPROVING STEPS ALONG THE WAY FOR THE ARCHITECTS, UM, SERVICE.
SO YOU'RE NOT SIGNING OFF TILL EVERYTHING.
CUZ I KNOW FUNDRAISING IS A BIG PART OF THIS PROJECT.
UM, BUT WE WOULD ANTICIPATE ABOUT THREE MONTHS TO GET THROUGH THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN, AND THAT'S WHERE THE ARCHITECT R RUBBER HITS THE ROAD.
UM, THEY START SITTING DOWN WITH YOU, WE HAVE BIWEEKLY MEETINGS.
THEY GET YOUR INPUT AND THEY DEVELOP THE PLAN FAR ENOUGH ALONG WHERE THEY CAN CREATE RENDERINGS.
UM, THEY CAN CREATE VIRTUAL WALKTHROUGHS OF THE BUILDING.
UM, THEY, THEY, THE, THE FLOOR PLAN IS REALLY SET AND AT THAT POINT, THE ARCHITECT HAS SOMETHING TO GIVE TO YOU AND THE GROUP THAT DOES THE FUNDRAISING, SOMETHING THAT SOLIDIFIES EXACTLY WHERE THIS PROJECT IS GOING.
UM, SO YOU CAN MARKET, UM, WHAT THAT IS.
NOW, IF YOU NOTICE IN THE TIMELINE, I'M GOING TO LET DEBBIE PICK IT UP HERE, BUT THE FUNDRAISING PART THAT STARTS NOW TOO.
THAT, THAT, THAT'S PART THAT GOES HAND IN HAND WITH THE R F P AND THE SCHEMATIC PHASE.
AND I THINK THAT PIECE IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHEN YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE THE ARCHITECT HAS THINGS TO THE POINT WHERE YOU'RE READY TO GO OUT FUNDRAISING, THE FUNDRAISING SIDE OF THINGS HAS DONE ALL THEIR LEGWORK UP TO THAT POINT AS WELL, SO THAT THE TWO OF THEM HIT THAT SPOT AT THE SAME TIME AND, AND YOU HIT THE GROUND RUNNING AS FAR AS GOING, OKAY, LET'S GO GET FONDE.
UM, SO DEBBIE, I'LL LET YOU TAKE OVER AS FAR AS TALKING ABOUT THE, THE FUNDRAISING ASPECTS OF THIS SCHEDULE.
AND ACTUALLY WE HAVE A, A SLIDE THAT'S, THAT KIND OF BREAKS IT OUT INTO PHASES THAT DOES A LITTLE BIT BETTER JOB OF DESCRIBING WITHOUT THE TIMELINE.
SO RIGHT NOW, I'M JUST GONNA NOTE THAT WE'LL START RIGHT NOW WITH, UM, COLLABORATION WITH, UH, THE TOWN, THE TOWNSHIPS FINANCIAL CONSULTANTS.
SO WE WANNA UNDERSTAND WHAT ALL THE POSSIBILITIES AND MECHANISMS, MECHANISMS ARE.
AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE THAT WORK THROUGH THE END OF JUNE.
UM, START LOOKING AT FUNDRAISING CONSULTANTS RIGHT NOW AND RE RECOMMEND A COUPLE OF THEM FIRST WEEK IN APRIL, WHICH IS NEXT WEEK.
SO WE'RE HARD AT WORK ON THAT.
SO I'LL TALK ABOUT THESE STEPS, UH, IN THE SLIDE, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU GUYS.
AND THEN CHRIS, DID YOU WANNA TALK ANYMORE ABOUT DESIGN DEVELOPMENT OR IS THAT, THAT'S KIND OF LATER DOWN THE ROAD? WELL, I, I CAN, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO JUMP BACK AND FORTH.
IF YOU COULD SLIDE THE SCHEDULE OVER TO THE, THE DATES OVER RIGHT THERE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, THE MONTH OF MARCH OF 2022,
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I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED IN ORANGE.AND WHAT WE DID WITH THE DESIGN WAS THE DESIGN, THE SCHEMATIC PHASE WOULD STOP WHEN YOU START DOING YOUR FUNDRAISING.
AND THEN WE WOULD MAKE SURE THE ARCHITECT WAS ON BOARD TO HELP IN ANY WAY NEEDED TO HELP YOU DO THE FUNDRAISING, WHETHER IT'S PROVIDING RENDERINGS, COMING TO MEETINGS, AND DOING VIRTUAL TOURS OF THE BUILDING, WHATEVER IT TAKES.
UM, WE ANTICIPATE THAT PROCESS TO BE ABOUT SIX MONTHS.
THAT'S WHAT I HAVE IN THE SCHEDULE NOW.
IT MIGHT TAKE LONGER, IT MIGHT TAKE LESS, BUT TO BE ABLE TO PUT A SCHEDULE TOGETHER, THAT'S WHERE IT SITS.
UM, THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN ORANGE BECAUSE THE MONTH OF MARCH IN 2022 IS WHEN WE HAD THE, THE ABILITY TO SAY, OKAY, WE'RE READY TO KEEP ON GOING.
WE FEEL CONFIDENT WITH THE FUNDRAISING THAT WE'RE DOING.
WE WOULD FEEL CONFIDENT WITH WHERE THE PROGRESS IS GOING.
AT THAT POINT, WE SIGNED THE ARCHITECTS ON TO FINISH THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT AND THIS CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT PHASE IS, UM, EACH ONE OF THOSE, I WOULD ANTICIPATE THREE TO FOUR MONTHS.
AND REALLY THE DRIVING FORCE OF THAT IS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT, UM, GETTING THROUGH THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT, D E P, UM, PENDOT, ALL THOSE THINGS.
UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WAS A VERY SMOOTH PROCESS WITH GILMORE AND THE FIREHOUSE.
UM, BUT IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME PROCESS WITH, UM, THE LIBRARY BUILDING ON BLACKROCK ROAD.
UM, SO END OF OCTOBERISH OF 2022 IS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING TO FINISH UP THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT.
AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME TIMELINE WE HAD AS FAR AS WITH THE FIREHOUSE.
THEN WE BID IT IN NOVEMBER, DECEMBER FIREHOUSE, WE DID OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, SO BID IT NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, AND THEN YOU WOULD BE LOOKING TO START CONSTRUCTION, UM, IN JANUARY OF 2023.
SO YOU CAN SEE IS A LONG PROCESS.
UM, YOU KNOW, A A TWO YEARS FROM NOW IS WHEN WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT BREAKING GROUND BASICALLY, UM, FOR THIS PROJECT.
AND WITH THE FUNDRAISING STAGE, AGAIN, I HAD SIX MONTHS IN THERE.
IF WE'RE THREE MONTHS INTO IT AND WE GO, HEY, THIS IS GOING GREAT, LET'S GET THINGS GOING.
NOW, YOU COULD ALWAYS START THAT DESIGN DEVELOPMENT PHASE SOONER.
IF THAT'S TAKEN A LITTLE BIT LONGER, YOU CAN ALWAYS BUMP IT BACK A LITTLE BIT AND START THAT DESIGN DEVELOPMENT PHASE LATER.
UM, SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SCHEDULE.
AND THEN IF YOU SCROLL ALL THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SCHEDULE.
DEBBIE, JUST AS A REFERENCE POINT, I DO HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION FOR THE EMERGENCY SERVICES FACILITY IN THERE, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WRAPS UP JUNE OF 2022.
UM, SO JUST SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT RELATES WITH THE, UH, TIMELINE FOR THE, UH, PROPOSED LIBRARY.
UM, WHEN YOU SAY WE'VE COME ALONG IN OUR FUNDRAISING AND IT'S IN A GOOD PLACE, WHAT DOES THAT GENERALLY MEAN TO YOU? THAT YOU'VE RAISED HALF OF THE FUNDS OR LIKE, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD BE A MARKER TO SAY THAT WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK? IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING OUT FOR? I, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TOWNSHIP IS CONSIDERING WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE AS FAR AS FUNDRAISING GOES.
UM, WE DID TALK A LITTLE BIT THAT ABOUT THAT IN THE MEETINGS.
I'LL LET DEBBIE ELABORATE MORE ON IT.
BUT, UM, SURE, I THINK THAT'S A DISCUSSION FOR THE CONSULTANT WHO WOULD REALLY HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT FUNDRAISING IS, IS DONE AND, AND WHERE WHAT GOES SHOULD BE MET SET.
THE CONSULTANT MIGHT SAY THE CONSULTANT WILL, UM, GAUGE THE CAPACITY OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO THE CONSULTANT MIGHT SAY, OKAY, WE THINK THAT A GOAL OF X DOLLARS IS A REASONABLE GOAL FOR THIS CAMPAIGN.
AND SO THE BOARD CAN THEN, ALONG WITH THE FINANCIAL CONSULTANT, TAKE A LOOK AT OTHER FUNDING STREAMS AND SAY, OKAY, X PERCENT WE'RE HOPING FOR FUNDRAISING, X PERCENT GRANTS, X PERCENT, WHATEVER OTHER REVENUE STREAMS. SO IT WILL ULTIMATELY BE A BOARD DECISION, BUT THERE'S GONNA BE LOTS OF RECOMMENDATIONS FROM, UM, PEOPLE DOING THE WORK.
I DID WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT BEFORE WE JUMP OFF OF THIS, UM, BEFORE WE JUMP OFF OF THIS SHEET, THAT THERE WILL BE KIND OF A GO NO-GO DECISION.
WE THINK IT MIGHT BE IN ABOUT MARCH OF 2022 BASED ON, UM, BASED ON HOW THAT, UH, FUNDRAISING IS GOING.
UM, SO THERE'S GONNA BE A MOMENT WHEN THE BOARD CAN, THEY WILL, THE BOARD WILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, MAKE A GO NO GO DECISION.
AND WE DO WANNA MANAGE EXPECTATIONS.
SO IT WOULD BE UNREALISTIC TO THINK THAT CAPITAL CAMPAIGN'S GONNA RAISE HALF OF THE PROJECT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT NUMBER MIGHT BE.
THE CONSULTANT CAN HELP US FIGURE IT OUT, BUT
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WE HAVE TO BE KIND OF REALISTIC ABOUT RIGHT.HOW MUCH CAN COME FROM FUNDRAISING.
IF, IF I COULD OPINE ON THAT, AND I AGREE WITH YOU, DEBBIE, AND WE JUST NEED, UM, TO, UH, THINK ABOUT THIS IN REALITY, UH, WE CAN BUILD THIS LIBRARY.
WE, WE, IT'S NICE TO GET THE, THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED AND AGREE WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO GET OUR STAKEHOLDERS ENGAGED, BUT ARE WE GONNA RAISE A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS OR ARE WE GONNA RAISE A MILLION? UM, I'M NOT SO SURE WE'LL CAN MAKE A MILLION.
UH, IT'S NOT THE, IT'S NOT THE COST TO BUILD THE BUILDING, IT'S THE COST TO MAINTAIN THE BUILDING AND OPERATE.
SO I, ANY DELAY IN THIS, UM, DOES A COUPLE THINGS.
ANY DELAY CAUSE CAUSES OUR COST TO RISE, INTEREST RATES ARE GONNA GO UP.
WE, WE'VE BORROWED MONEY CHEAP AND FOR THE NEXT YEAR IT'LL BE CHEAP.
WE START PUSHING THAT ENVELOPE.
IT'S GOING TO COST MORE TO RACE, UH, TO FLOAT DOWN.
SO, UM, AS LONG AS WE LEVEL SET OUR EXPECTATIONS AND, UH, WE, UM, UNDERSTAND WHAT CAN AND CAN'T HAPPEN AS FAR AS FUNDRAISERS.
AND, AND CAUSE AND BEFORE YOU SPOKE DEBBIE, UM, CHRIS, YOU SPOKE ABOUT THE DEV THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT PHASE, AND, AND WE DECIDE WHEN THEN GO NO GO MARCH OF 2023, A YEAR FROM NOW.
WE, WE SHOULD KNOW IF WE LIKE OUR PLAN, UH, BY THE END OF THIS YEAR, WE TO WAIT THREE MONTHS.
IT'S, UM, LIKE I SAID, WE, WE DON'T NEED THE FUNDRAISING, BUT IT'S NICE TO HAVE IT.
AND, AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU GUYS WANT TO TALK ABOUT ORGANIZING THE FUNDRAISING.
I THINK WE DO START, WE NEED TO START SPEAKING TO A FUNDRAISING COMPANY.
THEY, THEY SHOULD BE ENGAGED WITH US NOW, UM, AND HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
UM, AL THOSE, THOSE POINTS ALL MAKE TONS OF SENSE.
BEFORE WE JUMP OUT OF THIS SCHEDULE, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ARE WE READY TO JUMP OUT OF THIS? UH,
UH, THE REASON, HERE'S THE REASON I, I HAVE FOR THAT.
WE HAVE LEARNING CENTERS ALL OVER THE PLACE THERE.
THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY PRESCHOOLS OR DAYCARES.
AND, UH, I, I WOULD PREFER THAT IT, A LIBRARY IS A DISTINCT NAME AND A DISTINCT TERM.
I ALSO LIKE TO C IF THAT WERE TO FIT, BUT, UM, I JUST THINK, I THINK LEARNING CENTER ANYWAY, I AGREE WITH MR. STARLING A HUNDRED PERCENT.
I I THINK WE YEAH, ENOUGH SAID, YOU SAID IT, BILL.
WELL, WE LOVE LIBRARIES, SO WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
AND WE BELIEVE THAT LIBRARY CAN CONNOTE SOMETHING THAT IS VERY INNOVATIVE AND IS VERY FORWARD LOOKING.
SO, SO WE ARE HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE SHEET? YES.
UM, COUPLE THINGS, UH, CHRIS, BACK TO YOUR SELECTION OF ARCHITECTS, AGAIN, I KNOW IT'S NOT QUITE IN THE SCHEDULE HERE, BUT WOULD IT BE ACCURATE TO SAY THAT, UM, IT, IT SAY SIX OR SEVEN ARCHITECTS APPLY? YOU HAD MENTIONED LIKE, WE COULD PICK THREE OR FOUR.
I WOULD THINK WE WOULD PICK ONE OR TWO ARCHITECTS ONLY BECAUSE THEY WOULD FOCUS, THEY'D HAVE, THEY'D HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF, AGAIN, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW YOUR GUIDANCE, BUT IF WE PICK ONE OR TWO ARCHITECTS TO GIVE US A FINAL PLAN, THEY'LL, THEY'LL KNOW THEY'RE ONE OF THE TWO PEOPLE AND WE'LL PROBABLY GET A BROADER PROPOSAL.
THAT'S JUST A THOUGHT MAYBE FOR DISCUSSION AT ANOTHER TIME.
BUT THAT, THAT'S HOW I THINK OF THAT.
MY MY POINT WAS WE SOLICIT AS, AS MANY RFPS AS WE WANT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S SIX OR 10.
AND FROM THAT SELECTION, THE BOARD NARROWS IT DOWN TO WHO THEY WANT TO INTERVIEW.
UM, WHETHER IT'S TWO ARCHITECTS, THREE ARCHITECTS, YOU KNOW, WE WAIT AND SEE WHAT THE, THE, THE, UH, PROPOSALS ARE AND SEE WHAT REALLY CATCHES YOUR EYE AND SEE WHICH ONES YOU WANNA COME IN AND SAY, HEY, TELL US MORE ABOUT YOURSELF.
IT COULD BE TWO, IT COULD BE THREE.
I, I DON'T RECOMMEND FIVE OR SIX.
UM, I WOULD SAY NO MORE THAN THREE.
I MEAN, YOU WANNA KEEP IT LIMITED.
AND THEN, UM, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF I'M ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTION AT THE RIGHT TIME HERE ON THE, UM, ON THE, THE FUNDRAISING PIECE, UM, I BELIEVE THAT MAYBE NOT AT THIS MEETING, BUT WELL CERTAINLY NOT AT THIS MEETING, BUT WE SHOULD HAVE SOME NAMES BY THE NEXT MEETING IN A COUPLE WEEKS, WHO WE CAN CONTACT, WHETHER IT'S L S S OR WHOMEVER WE SHOULD KNOW, SOME PEOPLE THAT WE'RE CONNECTING TO TIM, MAYBE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GET INVOLVED, BUT I THINK THAT'S ONE OF DEBBIE'S SLIDES.
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YOU'RE, YOU HAVE, I THINK IDENTIFIED FOR YES.SO I'M GONNA JUMP OUT OF THIS DOCUMENT AND WE HAVE, OKAY, SO AL BROUGHT UP SOME REALLY GREAT POINTS ABOUT MANAGING EXPECTATIONS ABOUT WHAT FUNDRAISING CAN AND CANNOT DO.
AND, UM, WE CONCUR ON ALL POINTS.
SO WE DID IDENTIFY EARLY ON SOME POSSIBILITIES.
UH, THESE THREE ARE POSSIBILITIES, UH, THAT I REFERRALS FROM FORMER COLLEAGUES.
SO, UM, AT A FORMER JOB I WORKED WITH CAMPBELL AND COMPANY, THEY'RE A, A NATIONAL COMPANY, SCHULTZ AND WILLIAMS SEEMS TO BE THE MOST PROMINENT THAT'S HEADQUARTERED IN PHILADELPHIA.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHERS THAT ARE HEADQUARTERED IN PHILADELPHIA, BUT THEY LOOKED LIKE, UH, SMALLER SHOPS THAT MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY FOCUS ON PUBLIC PROJECTS.
IF THE BOARD HAS ANY CONNECTIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS OF CONSULTANTS THEY'D LIKE US TO SPEAK TO, WE'RE SURE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
BUT THESE ARE THE FOUR, UH, THAT WE WILL START WITH.
AND THEN THE PLAN IS TO RECOMMEND TWO, MAYBE THREE OF THOSE TO THE BOARD.
SO WE'LL DO SOME DUE DILIGENCE RIGHT NOW AND SAY, OKAY, WE THINK THESE COUPLE MIGHT BE THE RIGHT FIT.
AND THEN IT, IT WILL BE, UH, THE BOARD'S PREROGATIVE TO MAKE THAT CHOICE.
AND THEY'LL DO PROPOSALS, WE'LL REQUEST A PROPOSAL AND, UM, THERE'LL BE SOME SPECIFIC THINGS THAT THE BOARD CAN REACT TO.
SO ONCE THAT CONSULTANT HAS BEEN ENGAGED, SO SECOND PHASE, THEIR JOB IS TO JUMP IN AND DETERMINE THE CORPORATE GIVING CAPACITY, THE INDIVIDUAL GIVING CAPACITY, CREATE A CAPITAL CAMPAIGN PLAN.
SO WE'RE THINKING CHRIS AND I ON OUR SPREADSHEET SAID, OKAY, WE'RE THINKING SIX MONTHS A YEAR, BUT THIS CONSULTANT MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT SHORTER TIMEFRAME.
AND WE'LL LISTEN TO WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY.
WE'VE TALKED AMONG THE LIBRARY WORKING GROUP ABOUT THE IDENTIFICATION OF A CAMPAIGN STEERING COMMITTEE.
THIS WILL BE REALLY A KEY PART OF THE WHOLE EFFORT.
AND THAT STEERING COMMITTEE IS GONNA BE SOME, UM, WE HOPE PRETTY HEAVY HITTERS IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEY WILL LEND PRIMARILY THEIR NAME AND THEIR REPUTATION.
AND HOPEFULLY, IF YOU REMEMBER, UH, A ROLODEX, THEY'LL LEND THEIR CONTACTS TO THE CAMPAIGN AS WELL.
AND THEN THE WORK WILL CONTINUE TO INCLUDE IDENTIFICATION OF MAJOR DONORS.
WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT PHARMA.
CERTAINLY THAT IS THE HOPE THAT THERE'LL BE SOME GOOD PARTICIPATION THERE.
AND THEN WE WANNA INCLUDE BUILDING GRANTS.
SO WE DON'T EXACTLY KNOW WHAT'S AVAILABLE, UH, AT LOCAL, STATE, AND FEDERAL LEVEL.
WE KNOW THERE'S SOME MONEY OUT THERE THROUGH STIMULUS.
UM, SO WE NEED, WE NEED TO DO THAT RESEARCH.
AND THE CONSULTANT WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.
THEY'LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR LOOKING INTO GRANTS.
THAT'S THE WAY, SORRY, COLLEEN, GO AHEAD.
YOU FINISH AND THEN I'LL THROW IN 2 CENTS IF IT APPLIES.
SO WE WOULD ENVISION ASKING THAT FIRM TO DO THE RESEARCH.
WHAT'S AVAILABLE, WHAT'S OUT THERE? AND THEN THE NEXT PHASE IS DETERMINE TWO FOR WHICH GRANTS THE TOWNSHIP WILL APPLY.
THAT CAN BE A KIND OF A HEAVY LIFT, ESPECIALLY FOR FEDERAL GRANTS.
AND SO THERE MIGHT BE, UH, THE TOWNSHIP MIGHT HAVE FOLKS WHO CAN HELP WITH THAT, OR THE FUNDRAISING CONSULTANT MIGHT HELP WITH THAT.
BUT THOSE APPLICATIONS CAN BE SOMEWHAT INTRICATE.
I WAS THINKING, AND YOU GUYS CAN THROW YOUR 2 CENTS IN.
WHEN WE DID THE GROUNDBREAKING FOR THE FIREHOUSE, YOU KNOW, WE ALL SPOKE TO JOE AND MELISSA AND KATIE, AND THEY SHOWED AN INTEREST IN IT.
UM, I WASN'T SURE IF IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE A, A CHAT WITH THEM.
THEY SAID, COME TO US WHEN YOU'RE READY, WHEN YOU HAVE CONCRETE STEPS AND WE'LL HELP YOU.
THEY GAVE US A 2 MILLION FIRE GRANT.
AND THEN I'M HOPING THAT, I MEAN, I, WE'LL HAVE TO LOWER MY EXPECTATIONS HERE, BUT I'M, I'M HOPING THEY CAN HELP US GET SOME OF THESE GRANTS.
THE OTHER THOUGHT I HAD WAS IF WE ALREADY HAVE SOME VOLUNTEERS, AND NOW I'VE MENTIONED THIS TO YOU A FEW TIMES, A COUPLE PEOPLE HAVE COME FORWARD AND SHOWN AN INTEREST, MAYBE WE COULD START PUTTING AN EXCEL DOC TOGETHER OR SEND THE, UM, NAMES OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED TO TIM AND HE COULD START A TEAMS GROUP.
I MEAN, IT'S AN EXCITING PROJECT, SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME GOOD COMMUNITY LEADERS STEPPING FORWARD.
THEY HAVE ALREADY, SO I DON'T KNOW.
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THE 2 MILLION, UM, THE 2 MILLION, UH, DID THAT COME FROM THE STATE? YES.SO WE CAN, UM, OUR CAP GRANT, SORRY, THAT WAS OUR CAP GRANT.
YOU HAVE TO PUT DAN IN CHARGE OF THAT FIRE CHIEF
HE HAS THE CONNECTIONS, SO, WELL, SCHUSTERMAN IS VERY LIBRARY CENTERED AND SHE COVERS LIKE MM-HMM.
UH, SO I KNOW THAT SHE'S VERY INTERESTED AND SHE WAS LIKE, YES, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF LIBRARIES.
AND SHE'S, I BELIEVE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, SHE SAID, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF STATE MONEY THAT'S GOING UNCLAIMED FOR LIBRARY TYPE GRANTS, BUT I COULD BE WRONG.
WE, WE, UM, TYPICALLY THE SENATORS HAVE MORE JUICE THAN THE STATE REPS.
I MEAN, THEY, THEY, THEY ADVOCATE ALL THEY WANT, BUT THEY REALLY GET A PIECE OF THEIR PIE.
AND FORTUNATELY, THE MOON LINED UP IN VENUS AND, AND SENATOR MOTH WAS ABLE TO GET SOME, A VERY GOOD GRANT.
AND, BUT IT WAS C CAME FROM A POOL.
UM, AND LO UM, HELENE AND I HAVE SPOKEN BRIEFLY ABOUT A, A LOCAL COMMITTEE AND, AND I, WE HAVE TO FIND SOME PEOPLE THAT, UM, ARE, ARE FORWARD THINKERS WHO DON'T MIND GOING TO MEETINGS.
BUT I, IT MAYBE, UH, DEBBIE, YOUR THOUGHTS, UH, ON THIS? I DO THINK WE NEED A CORPORATE SPONSOR.
UH, MAYBE WE IDENTIFY, I DON'T WANNA SAY NAMES HERE.
I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS THAT WE HAVE A LEAD, UH, AND MAYBE THIS FUNDRAISING COMPANY CAN HELP US, BUT A LEAD CORPORATE SPONSOR WHOSE NAME IS ON THE LETTERHEAD THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS CERTAIN COMPANY IS FULLY ENGAGED, WE WANNA SUPPORT UPPER PROVIDENCE, JOIN US TO RAISE MONEY FOR THIS ENDEAVOR.
THE WAY, THE WAY I'VE SEEN IT DONE IS THE CORPORATE PARTICIPATION COMES THROUGH A HIGH RANKING INDIVIDUAL.
FOR EXAMPLE, HERE IN BALTIMORE, M AND T BANK IS A BIG DONOR AROUND TOWN, AND THEY'RE, UH, HEAD OF THE REGION.
SO YOU'LL SEE AUGIE CHIARA AS A COMMITTEE MEMBER ON A STEERING COMMITTEE FOR A CAPITAL CAMPAIGN.
BUT REALLY WHAT HE'S BRINGING WITH HIM IS THAT M AND T BANK MONEY, M AND T BANK MONEY.
SO I AL THE COMPANIES MAY OR MAY NOT PUT THEIR NAME ON THE LETTERHEAD, BUT CERTAINLY THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT REPRESENT THE COMPANIES, UH, WILL DEFINITELY BE PART OF THE WORK.
I'M A CHIEF EXECUTIVE OF THIS CORPORATION.
THEY WILL TAKE THAT MEETING AS OPPOSED TO, NO OFFENSE TO ANY RESIDENT, TO THE GUY WHO LIVES ON CUPCAKE STREET WHO DOESN'T HAVE THE JUICE TO GET THE MEETING, BUT THEY'LL TAKE THE MEETING FROM THE CORPORATE.
AND IT'S, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THE TOWNSHIP IS THE CLIENT OF THE FUNDRAISING CONSULTANT, AND THEREFORE WE CAN PUSH THIS TIMELINE A LITTLE BIT.
NOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO, UH, CERTAINLY WE WANNA LISTEN TO THEM AND FOLLOW ADVICE, BUT WE ALSO CAN LET THEM KNOW THAT WE WANNA GET THIS THING DONE AND WE WANNA MOVE PRETTY QUICKLY.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, AND WE'LL COMMUNICATE.
WE COULD TALK ABOUT ITS SUPERVISORS AS WELL.
LIKE SHOULD WE ALMOST TREAT THIS LIKE WE DO ANY OTHER COMMITTEE AND INTERVIEW PEOPLE AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE AT THE LEVEL THAT WE WANT THEM TO BE BEFORE JUST PUTTING PEOPLE ON THIS LIBRARY COMMITTEE? OH, A HUNDRED PERCENT.
AND IT MAY BE, IT'S ONLY FIVE PEOPLE.
CAUSE I THINK THE MORE THAT THE MORE THE COOKS IN THE KITCHEN,
BUT WE COULD TALK OFFLINE ABOUT IT, BUT OKAY.
SO CERTAINLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CAMPAIGN STEERING COMMITTEE THAT'S KIND OF THE TOP LEVEL, BUT THERE'S OTHER LEVELS OF GIVING AND OTHER LEVELS OF PARTICIPATION.
SO, UM, UH, A VOLUNTEER MIGHT BE RIGHT FOR THE STEERING COMMITTEE AND THEY MIGHT BE RIGHT FOR A DIFFERENT PART OF THE EFFORT AS WELL.
I I, I THINK DEFINITELY WE NEED TO HEAR FROM, UH, WHOEVER WE'RE GONNA ENGAGE AS OUR FUNDRAISING CONSULTANT ON THESE ISSUES.
AND, UH, IT MIGHT BE BETTER, UH, TO PICK SOMEBODY WHO IS HEADQUARTERED HERE IN, IN PENNSYLVANIA, UH, THAT UNDERSTANDS OUR STRUCTURAL GOVERNMENT A LITTLE BETTER, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, CAN GIVE, UH, SO SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
SO YOU GUYS HAVE MY CONTACT INFORMATION.
IF YOU HAVE OTHERS THAT YOU WANT US TO REACH OUT TO, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
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UH, BUT THIS, THIS IS OUR AREA OF FOCUS.AND, UH, THESE FUNDRAISING CONSULTANTS, WILL THEY COME AND GIVE US A, A LITTLE PRESENTATION TO, TO WHY TRY TO WIN THIS, PERHAPS? OR HOW, HOW WILL THAT WORK EXACTLY? MY GUESS IS THAT THEY WILL, YEAH, THEY'LL PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL AND THEN WALK THROUGH IT WITH YOU, KIND OF LIKE WE HAVE DONE SO FAR.
I, I THINK THESE BE NEXT STEPS LOOK VERY REASONABLE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE WE GOTTA GO TO GET, GET THINGS ROLLING.
SO, UM, AT THIS POINT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT CONSENSUS.
IF THERE'S NO RED FLAGS, I JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW THE TIMELINE WE'RE WORKING ON, I'M JUST GONNA WORK WITH THE LIBRARY WORKING COMMITTEE, AND I, AL, AL LAURIE HAVE BEEN HELPFUL ON, ON THIS COMMITTEE.
WE'LL, UM, KEEP CHUGGING ALONG.
THE ONLY THE ONLY THING WE NEED TO, TO SQUARE AWAY IS WE STILL HAVE NOT CHOSEN AS A GROUP.
THE FIREHOUSE LOCATION HAS THE LOCATION.
CAUSE THE, THE, THE ANDERSON PARKS OUT OF THE PICTURE, THE, THE LITTLE PARKING LOT.
AND THE TOWN TOWNSHIP SIDE OF THE, OF BLACKROCK ROAD IS STILL HANGING OUT THERE.
WE NEED A DECISION, UH, SO THAT DEWEY CAN GO OUT THERE AND TELL AN ARCHITECT THIS IS WHERE IT'S GONNA BE, SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE TWO, UH, DRAWINGS OR DEPICTIONS TO US BECAUSE THE ELEVATIONS ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
THEY WOULD BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT BUILDINGS.
YOU, YOU, WE NEED TO PICK THE FIREHOUSE SIDE AND WE NEED TO HAVE, MAKE A DECISION BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE RFP HAS TWO LOCATIONS, RIGHT.
CHRIS, AM I ACCURATE? UH, YEAH.
RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A S UH, WE'RE ON ONE ON ONE SIDE OF ROCK BLOCK ROCK ROAD, ONE OR THE OTHER.
DO WE JUST DECIDE HERE ON THIS CALL WITHOUT CASTING A MOTION? OR HOW DOES EVERYBODY FEEL? I MEAN, I PREFER THE FIREHOUSE SIDE CUZ I THINK IF, EVEN IF WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE GLASS IN THE BACK, OF COURSE IF WE HAVE IT, IT'S STILL A PRE REVIEW.
I THINK LOOKING AT THE WOODS, UM, AND I YEAH, ENTERTAIN RIGHT.
LAURIE, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? I GUESS SO.
I, I'M, I'M WITH LORI ABOUT ONE THING THOUGH.
AND I, AND I, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE LAST MEETING.
I, I, I, I REALLY, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO BIFURCATE THE CAMPUS, NO, IT WAS ONE THING TO HAVE THE FIREHOUSE ON ONE SIDE, BUT NOW THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOMETHING THAT SERVICES THE PUBLIC DAY IN AND DAY OUT, UH, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO LOOK AT BLACKROCK ROAD AND MAKE A SAFE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING THERE.
I'M WAITING TO SEE WHAT WE GET OUT OF THIS, UH, CROSSING THAT WE'RE GONNA GET FOR THE, UH, TRAIL DOWN TO, UH, THE RIVER THERE.
AND WE'LL SEE HOW THAT WORKS OUT.
BUT JUST BEAR IN MIND, THAT WILL PROBABLY BE IN THE FUTURE SOMEWHERE, NOT A SHOWSTOPPER AT ALL AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, BUT JUST SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, I WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO COME AND DO THEIR BUSINESS AT THE TOWNSHIP, VISIT THE LIBRARY, NOT HAVE TO JUMP IN THE CART ACROSS THE STREET SO WE ALMOST GET KILLED.
SO DON'T WANNA THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD GOAL, BILLY.
WE COULD PROBABLY WORK WITH THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER, PUT SOME TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES ON THE ROAD, SLOW BLACK ROCK ROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT TOO.
AND THAT, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S ALL IN THE FUTURE.
THAT'S, SO IF YOU'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, AGREE THAT THE, THE CYBER LIBRARY, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, UH, SHALL BE BUILT, UH, OR PROPOSE, OR WE WILL HAVE IT DESIGNED ON THE FIREHOUSE SIDE OF BLACKROCK.
JOHN, HOW ARE YOU ABOUT THAT? YOU DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING.
IT'S MAKING SURE YOU'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.
YOU PROBABLY TOLD US HOW YOU FELT.
I ALWAYS HATE WHEN WE PIGEONHOLE OURSELVES LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, UM, THERE'S NO, THERE, THERE'S NO REASON FOR US TO MAKE A MOTION TO PUT IT ANY PARTICULAR PLACE RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND, AND I'M SITTING HERE THINKING, AND I'M LISTENING TO EVERYBODY, AND I THINK, WELL, MAYBE THE JOYCE PROPERTY WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER PROPERTY.
LISTEN, AND MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS WE'RE GONNA SPEND MONEY ON, ON MAKING RENOVATIONS TO THAT BUILDING.
WE HAVE NO PURPOSE FOR RENOVATIONS TO THE BUILDING THIS YEAR.
WE'RE GONNA SPEND $250,000 JUST ON SOME RENOVATIONS THAT COULD BE PUT TOWARDS THE LIBRARY.
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OKAY.AND, AND YOU COULD PU YOU COULD HAVE THAT GLASS AND IT COULD BE PUT ON THE SIDE OF THE HILL THERE OVERLOOKING THE POND THAT'S DOWN THERE.
BUT I WOULDN'T EVEN, AT THIS POINT IN THE GAME, I WOULDN'T SAY, LET'S PIGEONHOLE IT.
LET'S MAKE, LET'S MAKE IT THE JOYCE PROPERTY.
I JUST DON'T WANT TO, I JUST DON'T WANNA DO THAT RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T WANNA MAKE A DECISION ON WHERE IT'S FUN TO GO.
WE KNOW WE, WE HAVE A GOOD FEELING ABOUT THAT.
BUT I, I HATE MAKING THAT KIND OF DECISION THIS EARLY IN THE GAME.
IF I COULD, WE'RE NOT EARLY IN THE GAME.
UM, AND WE'RE ABOUT TO PUT ON RFP OUT FOR OUR DESIGN, AND THE ARCHITECT NEEDS ELEVATIONS.
HE NEEDS TO KNOW WHERE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS.
AND HE'S NOT, IT'S NOT A FINAL PLAN, BUT THE, THE ELEVATION, UM, IS A BIG DEAL.
AND SO WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GONNA ASK AN, AN ARCHITECT BASICALLY SPLIT HIS TIME TO CONSIDER THE FIREHOUSE LOCATION.
AND NOBODY'S EVEN LOOKED AT THE JOYCE PROPERTY.
UM, AND I CAN'T EVEN BELIEVE THAT CAME UP.
BUT NOW WE'RE AT, NOW WE WERE LOOKING AT THE, THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF BLACKROCK ROAD.
YOU'RE GONNA GET TWO DIFFERENT DESIGNS.
I, I JUST DUNNO WHY WE CAN'T KEEP MOVING FORWARD.
WE PUT INFRASTRUCTURE IN, UH, AND IT, IT APPEARS TO ME THREE OUTTA THE FIVE SUPERVISORS ARE LOOKING TO PLACE THIS AT THE BLACKROCK ROAD CAMPUS NEXT TO THE FIREHOUSE.
I JUST DON'T KNOW NOW HOW, HOW JOYCE JOYCE PROPERTY CONCERN.
WE, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND WE'VE LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF LOCATIONS AND WE SPENT MONEY TO PUT INFRASTRUCTURE AT THE FIREHOUSE LOCATION, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM FOR THIS BUILDING.
I, I HAVE TO SAY, I'M WITH YOU ON THIS, AL I THINK THAT WE NEED TO AT LEAST PUT THE STAKE DOWN OF THIS IS WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE, AND I WANT IT TO BE SOMEWHERE THAT'S CENTERED UP IN THE TOWNSHIP.
I, I REALLY CAN'T IMAGINE PUTTING IT AT THE JOYCE PROPERTY EITHER.
BUT IN ANY EVENT, ANY MORE DISCUSSION, IF THERE'S NOT, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE TO LOCATE THE LIBRARY, UH, ON THE FIREHOUSE SIDE OF THE ROAD AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE CAMPUS.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? GET AHEAD, LORI OR AL YOU GUYS ARE ON THE COMMITTEE.
OH, LAURIE, I DON'T WANNA SECOND IT AT THIS TIME.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BE IN SUCH A RUSH.
AND, UM, I DON'T BELIEVE IN, UH, PURSUING, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE SUNK COSTS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN'T KEEP OUR OPTIONS OPEN.
AND IT'S ALSO NOT OUR JOB TO MAKE IT EASY FOR THE ARCHITECTS.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO PLEASE US.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THAT, YOU KNOW,
AND I, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S MONEY WORTH SPENDING TO, TO GET A DESIGN ON BOTH SIDES.
BUT IF WE WANT THE ARCHITECT TO EVALUATE EACH LOCATION AND PRO AND GIVE US THE PROS AND CONS, I GUESS THAT'S THE WAY WE CAN GO FORWARD.
WELL HEARING, UH, HEARING NO SECOND, WE'LL, WE'LL, UH, TABLE THAT MOTION AND MOVE ON TO THE PARK MASTER PLAN.
I GUESS WE, WERE WE DONE WITH THE LIBRARY DISCUSSION? I THINK SO.
UM, DE UH, DEBBIE OR, UH, CHRIS, ANYTHING WE'RE MISSING? I THINK WE WANTED TO JUST BE, BE, UM, UPFRONT ON WHERE WE WERE ON THE TIMELINE.
SO, AND I THINK THE BIG OP OBJECT WAS, UH, UH, FUNDRAISING.
AND I THINK, UH, DEBBIE HAS HER MARCHING ORDERS ON THAT.
I'LL HAVE OUR MARCHING ORDERS.
UM, WAS THE, THE COMMITTEE AND THE BOARD OKAY.
WITH, UM, THE TIMELINE AS FAR AS DEVELOPING THE R F P AND, AND GETTING IT OUT TO SOME ARCHITECTS.
UM, WE'LL CERTAINLY SUBMIT A LIST OF, UM, SUGGESTED ARCHITECTS, UM, TO THE TOWNSHIP FOR REVIEW.
UM, DEBBIE, THE TWO THAT YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH WOULD CERTAINLY BE ON THAT LIST.
UM, IF THERE'S ANY THAT THE TOWNSHIP WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ON THAT LIST, CERTAINLY LET US KNOW SO WE CAN COMPILE A, A COMPLETE LIST FOR YOUR, UH, CONSIDERATION.
I THINK WE WERE GONNA USE THE ARCHITECT ON THE FIREHOUSE, RIGHT? I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE LOCAL ONES.
I THINK WE, YEAH, WE WERE, WE WERE GONNA RECOMMEND PUTTING, HAVING G K O ON THE LIST.
UM, BUT WE'D WANT TO GIVE YOU A FEW OTHER ONES TOO.
I'M SURE THEY ALL HAVE THEIR SPECIALTIES TOO, LIKE MAYBE THERE'S SOME YOU'RE THINKING OF THAT REALLY.
I MEAN, I ACTUALLY THOUGHT THE FIRST ONE FROM THE PREFERRED ORIGINAL PRESENTATION DID AN AWESOME JOB.
I LOVE THE DESIGN ON THAT, BUT OPEN TO OTHER DESIGN OPTIONS AS WELL.
AND THE NICE THING IS WHEN YOU GET THOSE RFPS, EACH ONE'S GONNA BRING SOMETHING TO THE TABLE.
WE WANT THAT INCORPORATED IN THE BUILDING.
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OKAY.WE'LL MOVE ON WITH THE NEXT STEPS THEN, AND, UH, WE'LL MAKE SOME OF THESE OTHER DECISIONS DOWN THE ROAD.
NOT TOO FAR OUT DOWN THE ROAD, I HOPE.
DO WE WANNA MOVE ON NOW TO, UH, THE PARK PLAN, PARK MASTER PLAN? I'M GONNA DEFER HERE TO JEFF AND, UH, JUDITH.
I'M GONNA HAND IT RIGHT TO JUDITH AND LET HER, UM, SHARE HER SCREEN AND TAKE, TAKE IT FROM HERE.
I'M PULLING UP THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION NOW FROM BEGINNING.
I'M JUDY STERN GOLDSTEIN WITH GILMORE ASSOCIATES.
I'M FORTUNATE TO HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE TOWNSHIP AND OUR STAFF BACK IN THE OFFICE ON THE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP PARK MASTER PLAN.
SOME OF YOU HAVE SEEN THIS PRESENTATION BEFORE.
WE DID PRESENT TO THE PARK BOARD AND ALSO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO SOME OF YOU HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE.
IT'S BEEN UPDATED A LITTLE BIT TO INCLUDE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UM, PRIMARILY THE COST ESTIMATES FOR EACH THE SIX PARKS, AND ALSO A NICE PREVIEW OF SOMETHING THAT THAT'S POSSIBLE AT BLACKROCK PARK.
SO I'M GONNA TAKE YOU THROUGH THIS.
I'D LIKE IT TO BE INTERACTIVE.
SO IF ANY OF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AS WE GO, PLEASE STOP, ASK THE QUESTIONS.
UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE Q AND A AT THE END ALSO, BUT I'D PREFER TO BE INTERACTIVE IF SOMETHING COMES UP, DON'T, DON'T HOLD BACK.
SO, JUST FIRST OF ALL, ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS, THIS IS, THE STUDY IS POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF THE UPPER TOWN, UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP BOARD OF SUPERVISORS LOOKING FORWARD AND BEING PROACTIVE ABOUT THE PARKS AND RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES IN THE TOWNSHIP.
THE PARKS MASTER PLAN STEERING COMMITTEE, AND YOUR TOWNSHIP MANAGER, ALL OF WHOM WERE VERY, VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN GETTING THIS PROJECT TOGETHER AND COMPLETED THIS PROJECT.
THE PARKS MASTER PLAN IS AN UPDATE TO YOUR 2006 OPEN SPACE AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION PLAN.
AND IT IS INTENDED TO BE ADOPTED AS PART OF THE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH WILL BE ADOPTED SHORTLY.
THAT PLAN IS BEING PREPARED BY JEFF GRACE, AND IT WILL INCLUDE THIS COMPONENT FOR PARK AND RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE.
IT WILL ALSO INCLUDE A COMPONENT FOR TRANSPORTATION AND TOGETHER THAT WILL SORT OF EMBODY THE, THE CHUNK OF PLANNING DOCUMENTS FOR THE TOWNSHIP LOOKING FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE.
THE PARKS MASTER PLAN INCLUDES MASTER PLANS FOR SIX INDIVIDUAL PARKS WITHIN, WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP, TAYLOR FARM PARK, ANDERSON, FARM PARK, BLACKROCK PARK, MCFARLAND PARK, LONGFORD PARK, REYNOLDS DOG PARK, AND THE PORT PROVIDENCE PARK.
THE PLAN INCLUDES RECOMMEND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR POLICIES THAT WOULD SUPPORT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND IMPROVEMENTS TO RECREATION IN THE TOWNSHIP.
AND THE MEAT AND POTATOES OF THIS PLAN REALLY IS THE ACTION PLAN, WHICH IS IN A SECTION CALLED IMPLEMENTATION NEAR THE BACK OF THE, THE PLAN ITSELF BEFORE WE GET INTO THE APPENDICES THAT FUNCTIONS AS THE CHECKLIST OF EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO IMPLEMENT THIS PLAN.
THE THREE GOALS ARE ALL REPRESENTED UNDER EACH GOAL OR SEVERAL OBJECTIVES.
AND EACH OBJECTIVE THEN HAS ACTION ITEMS FOR IMPLEMENTATION.
EACH OF THE ACTION ITEMS INCLUDES THE PRIORITY, THE TIMELINE, AND THE ENTITY RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING THAT.
NOW, THE, THESE ARE ALL GUIDELINES, BUT IT GIVES YOU SOME GENERAL AND SOME SPECIFIC ITEMS FOR THE, TO IMPLEMENT THE PLAN.
WE CALL THIS AN IMPLEMENTABLE PLAN.
WHAT THAT DOES IS IT'S A CHECKLIST, BUT IT'S ALSO SORT OF YOUR, YOUR LITTLE TICKER CHECKPOINT EACH TIME YOU GO FOR A GRANT APPLICATION.
LOOK, IT'S IDENTIFIED IN THE TEXT OF THE PLAN.
IT'S IDENTIFIED HERE AND WILL, IT WILL CERTAINLY HELP SUE WHEN SHE'S APPLYING FOR GRANTS FOR IMPLEMENTATION.
THIS IS JUST THE GENERAL MAP, BUT THE TOWNSHIP HIGHLIGHTING THE PARKS AND THE SIX PARKS THAT WERE INCLUDED AS SEPARATE MASTER PLANS.
AND MY LITTLE MOUSE WORKS HERE, SORRY.
KELLER FARM PARK, ANDERSON, BLACKROCK, MCFARLAND, LONGFORD RE, REYNOLDS, AND PORT PROVIDENCE.
THE OVERALL GOALS THAT WERE ESTABLISHED IS TO, TO BE MET IN THIS MASTER PLAN ARE TO ENHANCE AND EXPAND EXISTING PARKS AND DEVELOP HIGH QUALITY FACILITIES THAT SERVE AS DESTINATIONS FOR COMMUNITY RECREATION, EXPAND ACCESS TO PARKS AND FACILITIES, AND
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INCREASE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN PARKS, NATURE AND THE COMMUNITY.AND TO INSPIRE AND ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY TO GROW PARKS, INFORM USERS AND PROMOTE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP.
SO THOSE WERE THE OVERARCHING GOALS THAT WE HAD TO ADHERE TO WHILE WORKING WITH THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEES TO CREATE THE PLAN.
SUPPORT FROM THE PLAN CAME FROM MANY FA MANY FACETS OF THE COMMUNITY.
THERE WAS THE MASTER PARK PLAN STEERING COMMITTEE MEETINGS, AND THAT STEERING COMMITTEE WAS PRIMARILY THE PARK AND REC BOARD WITH YOUR PARK AND REC DIRECTOR AND YOUR PROGRAM COORDINATOR.
THERE WERE FIVE COMMITTEE MEETINGS DURING THE BULK OF THE PROJECT, AND THEN WE DID MEET WITH THEM WHEN THEY MADE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.
THAT WAS THE SIXTH MEETING EARLIER THIS YEAR.
THERE WERE TWO PUBLIC WORKSHOPS.
BOTH WERE HELD VIRTUALLY BECAUSE WE WERE FULLY WITHIN THE AGE OF COVID DURING THE PRODUCTION OF THIS PLAN.
BUT BOTH WERE VIRTUAL PUBLIC WORKSHOPS, ONE TO GATHER COMMUNITY INPUT AS TO WHAT WAS DESIRED OR NOT DESIRED IN THE PARKS.
AND THE SECOND WAS TO PRESENT THE DRAFT PLANS TO THE PUBLIC.
AND WE DID HAVE FEEDBACK ABOUT, FROM BOTH MEETINGS.
THERE WAS AN ONLINE PUBLIC SURVEY, AND WE ALSO PRESENTED THE PLAN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OR TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT A PUBLIC MEETING.
WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU THE BOARD TONIGHT, AND IF NEED BE, WE WILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD ALSO.
SO THERE WERE MANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC IN INPUT IN DEVELOPING THE PLAN.
THREE OVERALL GOALS WERE DEVELOPED AS PART OF THE PLAN, AND EACH THEN HAD OBJECTIVES ON DIRECT.
THE FIRST GOAL WAS TO CREATE PARKS AND TO CREATE GREAT PARKS AND ENHANCED FACILITIES.
THAT'S NOT SAYING YOU DON'T HAVE GREAT PARKS NOW, BUT IT'S TO MAKE THE BAR EVEN HIGHER.
YOUR, YOUR GOAL IS TO HAVE GREAT PARKS AND ENHANCED FACILITIES.
AND THEN THERE ARE SEVERAL OBJECTIVES FOR HOW TO, HOW TO CREATE THAT.
THE SECOND GOAL IS IMPROVED ACCESSIBILITY.
SOME OF YOUR PARKS DON'T CURRENTLY FULLY MEET A D A, SOME MEET A D A, BUT ARE NOT FULLY INCLUSIVE.
SO IMPROVED ACCESSIBILITY IS A MAJOR, MAJOR ITEM RIGHT NOW.
IN, IN WITH THAT IS ALSO CREATING TRAIL CONNECTIONS TO AND FROM TOWNSHIP PARKS AND INTERNAL LOOPS WITHIN THE PARKS
THE THIRD GOAL IS TO, IS TO HAVE EFFECTIVE ENGAGEMENT PARTNERSHIPS AND PROGRAMMING.
AND AGAIN, YOU DO HAVE A LOT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
NOW YOU, YOU HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION ON YOUR WEBSITE, YOU HAVE SOME GREAT PROGRAMS, BUT THIS IS TO KEEP THE BAR HIGH ON ALL OF THAT FOSTER AND CREATE EVEN MORE PARTNERSHIPS AND HAVE EXCELLENT PROGRAMMING.
SO THIS WAS REALLY TO, TO EXPLORE WAYS TO EVEN BETTER PROMOTE THE TOWNSHIP PARKS PROGRAMMING EVENTS.
USE WHAT WE'VE LEARNED ALSO DURING COVID, AND OFFER EVEN MORE ROBUST RECREATION PROGRAMMING FOR THE TOWNSHIP RESIDENTS AND EXPLORE NEW OPPORTUNITIES FOR PARTNERING.
SO THE FIRST, FIRST OF THE SIX PARKS I'M GONNA TAKE YOU THROUGH IS TAYLOR FARM PARK.
UM, IN THIS PLAN, TAYLOR FARM PARK IS PROPOSED TO REMAIN AS A PASSIVE RECREATION PARK.
IT'S REALLY FOCUSING ON SUSTAINABILITY, ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION, AGRICULTURAL EDUCATION, WALKING TRAILS.
THERE'LL BE A MEADOW RESTORATION LOOP TRAIL COMMUNITY SUPPORTED AGRICULTURE COMMUNITY GARDENS.
I'M SORRY, DID SOMEONE JUST ASK A QUESTION? OH, NEVERMIND.
UM, MAINTAIN THE VISTAS AND THE RURAL, THE RURAL CULTURE AND V SHEDS ON THE SITE.
THERE IS THE EXISTING BARN AND FARMSTEAD ON THE SITE.
THE BARN HAS BEEN DETERMINED TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR LISTING IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
AT SOME POINT, THERE'LL NEED TO BE A DECISION ON WHAT TO DO WITH THE BARN.
THIS PLAN WORKS WHETHER THE BARN REMAINS OR THE BARN IS GONE.
IT REALLY FOCUSES ON THE POTENTIAL FOR ENVIRONMENTAL AND AGRICULTURAL EDUCATION, OUTDOOR EDUCATION ON THE SITE.
AND WITH THE CURRENT PROPOSED PROGRAM, IT'S A SUSTAINABLE SITE AND IT WORKS EITHER WAY.
WE HAVE AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE, COST, OPINION OR OPINION OF PROBABLE COST FOR THE SITE, EXCLUDING WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE BARN.
CUZ THAT'S STILL TO BE DETERMINED.
IT'S JUST SHY OF 1.9 MILLION FOR EVERYTHING YOU SAW ON THE PLAN.
THAT INCLUDES EVERYTHING THAT WAS ON THERE.
ANDERSON, I HAVE A QUICK, UM, SORRY, I
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HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE, SO THE BARN SITE STRUCTURE, THAT COST ISN'T INCLUDED, SO IT'S 1.8 WITHOUT THE BARN BEING CONSIDERED.
UM, WE DO HAVE SOME COST ESTIMATES FOR THE REHABILITATION OF THE BARN TO MAKE IT SAFE AND ESSENTIALLY RECONSTRUCT IT FOR PUBLIC USE.
AND THAT WAS DONE BY OUR STRUCTURAL GROUP IN THE OFFICE IN 2019.
IN 20 $19 IT WAS APPROXIMATELY $890,000.
AND IF WE INCREASE THAT AT AN YEARLY INCREASE OF 3% CUMULATIVELY TO 2020 $1, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 944,000 TO MAKE THE BARN STABLE.
TO MAKE THE BARN STABLE AND AND USABLE FOR PUBLIC USE.
THE, THE FULL REHABILITATION FOR PUBLIC USE, LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU'RE READY TO MOVE ON.
I DIDN'T WANNA INTERRUPT THE THOUGHT PROCESS.
DO YOU HAVE A GUESSTIMATE AS TO WHAT IT WOULD COST TO BUILD THAT ON THAT FOOTPRINT? I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC GUESSTIMATE.
IT WOULD BE, UM, AN OUTDOOR EDUCATION CENTER.
AND IT, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IT WOULD BE REUSING SOME OF THE MATERIALS FROM THE BARN, BUT THE DEMOLITION OF THE BARN, IF YOU BEAR WITH ME JUST FOR A MINUTE HERE TO MOBILIZE, DO THE DEMOLITION.
THE DEMOLITION WOULD BE WHEN WE ADD EVERYTHING IN, IT'S GONNA BE IN ROUND NUMBERS 200, 220 5,000.
BUT THEN WHAT IS THE COST OF BUILDING SOMETHING ON THAT FOOTPRINT THAT PARKS COULD USE? IT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER STRUCTURE.
WHAT'S THAT GONNA COST TO BUILD THAT? WELL, THAT HASN'T BEEN DEFINED YET.
THAT'S REALLY OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THE STUDY THAT WE WERE DOING FOR THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.
I HAVE THESE NUMBERS ON THE BARN BECAUSE THAT STUDY WAS DONE IN 2019 AS A SEPARATE PROJECT.
I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER WOULD BE, BUT I DON'T ANTICIPATE IT BEING THAT, THAT HEFTY CAUSE IT WOULD BE AN OUTDOOR EDUCATION CENTER FROM MY, MY UNDERSTANDING.
SHOULD I MOVE ON OR DO YOU WANNA STAY HERE? I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
ANDERSON FARM PARK WAS THE NEXT FARM OR NEXT PARK THAT WE LOOKED AT.
THE CENTERPIECE OF THIS PARK IS PROPOSED TO BE A SPLASH PAD.
THIS PARK WILL ALSO HAVE A TRAIL LOOP, INTERNAL TRAILS, CONNECTIONS TO EXTERNAL TRAILS RELOCATING THE BASKETBALL COURT.
THE SPLASH PAD WILL GO WHERE THE BASKETBALL, BASKETBALL COURT HAD BEEN AND IMPROVED ACCESSIBILITY OF SEATING, UM, GRA AND GRADED TIERED WALKWAYS FOR THE EXISTING AMPHITHEATER.
THE ESTIMATE FOR THIS PARK IS 2,000,465.
SO JUST SHY OF 2.5 MILLION FOR EVERYTHING ON THE PLAN.
I DON'T WANNA RUSH THE NUMBERS BY YOU TOO FAST.
BILL, LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU'RE GOOD.
OH, I HAD SUCH A BRILLIANT THOUGHT BEFORE I, WHEN I WAS MUTED.
UM, COULD WE JUST GET A COPY OF, OF THESE WHEN, WHEN I, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE PRICE TAG NUMBERS YET, SO IF WE COULD GET A COPY OF THAT WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE ALL DONE MAILED TO US, THAT'D BE GREAT.
UM, THE POWERPOINT WAS SENT TO THE TOWNSHIP.
I'LL MAKE SURE I'LL EMAIL IT AGAIN TOMORROW.
AND THE NUMBERS ARE ALSO IN THE, IN THE, IN THE, THE PDF OF THE FULL PLAN.
THESE ARE RIGHT FROM THAT REPORT, BUT I'LL MAKE SURE THEY ALL GET INTO TIM.
TIM AND JEFF TOMORROW MORNING, BILL.
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THIS PARK, THE MAJOR NEW IMPROVEMENT ON THE PLAN WAS A PUMP TRACK.AND THAT'S IN THE, AS YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN OVER TO THE LEFT OR THE, THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE, OF THE SITE, IT'S AS FAR REMOVED FROM THE EXISTING SKATE PARK AS WE COULD GET IT.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE TWO MAJOR MILLS OF ACTIVITY IN, IN SEPARATE AREAS BECAUSE THEY, THEY'RE BOTH VERY ACTIVE.
THE OTHER THING IN, IN THIS PARK WERE PLAYGROUND IMPROVEMENTS AND TRAIL CONNECTIONS.
I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT MAJOR PLAYGROUND IMPROVEMENTS WERE PROPOSED FOR BOTH BLACKROCK AND MCFARLAND PARKS.
AND SUE WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE TALKING TO SOME PLAYGROUND REPRESENTATIVES IN EXPLORING SOME OPTIONS.
AND THIS IS WHAT COULD ACTUALLY HAPPEN IF WE TOOK THE PARK AT BLACK OR THE PORTION OF THE PARK AT BLACKROCK AND MADE IT INTO TOTALLY, TOTALLY INCLUSIVE ELEMENT.
YOU, THIS WOULD MEAN ALL ADA AND IT WOULD ALSO BE INCLUSIVE.
WHEN I SAY INCLUSIVE, IT MEANS THAT CHILDREN OF ALL ABILITIES AND OR DISABILITIES CAN PLAY TOGETHER SIDE BY SIDE.
SO YOU WOULDN'T BE SEGREGATING PEOPLE TO DIFFERENT AREAS.
THE FULL THING WOULD BE ACCESSIBLE AND INCLUSIVE.
IS THE, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE BIGGER PLAN? WHERE DOES, DOES THIS FIT IN NEAR THE PAVILION? THIS WOULD FIT IN, IN THIS AREA.
BECAUSE THAT'S RIGHT NEAR CON NEAR THE SKATE PARK.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD PLACE FOR IT.
YEAH, AND IT'S NEAR THE, IT'S NEAR THE ADMIN BUILDING TOO.
IT'S, IT'S VERY, VERY VISIBLE.
IF I, IF I COULD JUMP IN REAL QUICK, TWO THINGS.
SUE IS ON THE, ON THE, UM, ZOOM WITH US TODAY, BUT SHE'S LOST HER VOICE, SO SHE'S TEXTED ME AND SAID, UM, IT REPLACES BOTH PARKS.
I, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T MAKE THAT CLEAR ENOUGH.
IT REPLACES THE, THE, THE SMALLER ONES AT THE TWO PARKS TOGETHER.
AND THEN I SAW, WAS THERE AN ICE SKATING RINK? SEASONAL WINTER, SYNTHETIC SKATING RINK.
WONDER HOW MUCH THAT IS TO MAINTAIN.
IS IT IT'S THE SYNTHETIC SURFACE, SO IT'S NOT ACTUALLY MAINTAINING ICE.
I DON'T HAVE MAINTENANCE COSTS ON IT.
SO WHEN YOU SAY IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN TO THE ONE RIGHT BY THE CITY, BY CITY HALL, IT'S NOT ACTUALLY ICE DOWN THERE.
IT'S, IT'S SYNTHETIC AND I ASSUME THERE'S SOME SMOOTHING THAT GOES ALONG, BUT NOT NEARLY THE EXTENT OF, UM, A YOU KNOW, HAVING TO RESURFACE THE ICE EVERY 20, 25 MINUTES LIKE THEY DO AT CENTER ICE.
AND IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT WEATHER DEPENDENT EITHER.
SO WHEN YOU PUT IT DOWN, EVEN IF IT GETS WARM, YOU COULD STILL SKATE.
I, I'VE NEVER SEEN SOMEONE SKATE IN, YOU KNOW, 95 DEGREE WEATHER, BUT I'VE SEEN PEOPLE SKATING IN THE SEVENTIES.
IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ICE IN THE TERM OF TEMPERATURE AT ALL.
AND THEN THIS IS THE SECOND VIEW OF THE, THE INCLUSIVE ACCESSIBLE PLAYGROUNDS FROM THE OTHER SIDE AND EVERYTHING AT BLACKROCK, EXCEPT THE ADDITIONAL INCREMENT FOR THE, THE NEW PLAYGROUND WAS JUST SHY OF 2.5 MILLION.
THE NEW PLAYGROUND WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE, THE AMOUNT THAN HERE.
BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, AND COSTS AREN'T TOTALLY DEFINED YET, BUT THE COST OF THE ONE LARGE ONE TO REPLACE WHAT HAD BEEN PROPOSED AT BLACKROCK AND MCFARLAND IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN THE TWO SEPARATELY WOULD'VE BEEN.
IT SEEMS LIKE
AND, UM, LOOKING AT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND POTENTIAL GRANT OPPORTUNITIES.
I, I DON'T THINK ANY OF THESE ARE ALL OR NOTHING FOR ANY OF THE PARKS AND, AND SOME OF THE PARKS AS, AS WE GO A LITTLE FARTHER, YOU'RE GONNA FIND SOME ARE VERY REASONABLE, ESPECIALLY AFTER YOU SEE THE LARGE NUMBERS.
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OH, I'VE GOT ONE EVEN LESS THAN THAT.
WELL I HAVE TO MAKE SURE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN SAY.
SO THAT, THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE HERE.
BUT THIS PARK IS AN, IS AN ACTIVE PARK.
IT'S YOUR PRIMARY, PRIMARY SOFTBALL AND BASEBALL PARK.
WE'RE POSING ADDITIONAL TRAIL CONNECTIONS, PICKLEBALL COURTS, WHICH ARE VERY POPULAR AND, AND CAME OUT AS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT RESIDENTS WANTED ALSO.
AND THEN SOMETHING THAT WAS REQUESTED WHEN WE MET WITH THE PARK BOARD WAS SOME ADDITIONAL SHADE OPPORTUNITY AND SOME ADDITIONAL SEATING OPPORTUNITY FOR SPECTATORS, UM, TO PARTICIPATE AND BE THERE WITH THEIR FAMILIES.
I KNOW THAT MOST SPORTS TEAMS AND THE HARDCORE SPORTS FAMILIES BRING THEIR OWN CANOPIES, BUT NOT EVERYONE CAN TRANSPORT THEIR OWN CANOPIES OR HAVE SOME, AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO OFFER SOME SHADE AND SOME SEATING.
SO THAT'LL BE INCORPORATED INTO THIS ALSO AS ONE OF THE REVISIONS.
AND THIS PART WITH EVERYTHING IN IT INCLUDED THE PLAYGROUND, WHICH WOULD NOT NEED TO BE PART OF IT THEN WAS 1.7 MILLION.
TAKE THE PLAYGROUND OUT AND THAT COMES DOWN A BIT.
IF WE, IF WE DIDN'T DO THE PLAYGROUND IMPROVEMENTS HERE, WE WOULD JUST LEAVE THE EXISTING EQUIPMENT.
BECAUSE I, I DON'T REMEMBER BEING IN THAT BAD OF SHAPE, BUT, UH, I'M GONNA DEFER TO SUE ON THAT ONE.
CAN SUE TEXT INTO HER INTERPRETER
THAT ONE, I, I SEEM TO REMEMBER WAS NOT IN THAT BAD OF SHAPE DOWN AT MCFARLAND.
UM, AND ONE OF THE PLAY AREAS THAT BLACKROCK'S IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE, THE ONE WITH THE, THE ONE BY THE PICNIC PAVILION THERE UP BEHIND THE BUILDING.
BUT, UH, OF COURSE THE ONE AT ANDERSON IS VERY NICE STILL.
YES, SHE'S NOT TEXTING ME, BUT MY ASSUMPTION WOULD BE THAT, THAT FOR, UM, THEY'RE ABOUT 17 YEARS OLD AND NOT, THIS IS WHAT SHE SAID, THEY'RE NOT SEVEN, THEY'RE 17 YEARS OLD AND THEY'RE NOT A D A COMPLIANT.
SO I, I GUESS, UM, I'M SAYING WE WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED TO REMOVE THEM IF WE, WE, IF WE CHOSE NOT TO UPGRADE THIS PLAYGROUND, WE COULD JUST LEAVE IT AS IS, IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? OR IN THEORY YOU COULD.
THE OTHER PART OF ADA IS ANYTHING CONSTRUCTED AFTER 72 IS SUPPOSED TO BE ADA COMPLIANT.
UM, IF THERE ARE ANY SAFETY ISSUES THEY, THEY WOULD NEED TO BE DEALT WITH, DEFINITELY.
AS FAR AS THE ADA A YOU'RE, YOU'RE HAVING THE ONE MAJOR ONE THAT, THAT WILL BE ACCESSIBLE WHEN IT'S, WHEN IT'S BUILT AND YOU WOULD JUST HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH THE PLAYGROUND AND THE INTERIM.
LONGFORD PARK, REYNOLDS DOG PARK.
THE IMPROVEMENTS HERE WOULD BE TWO SHADE STRUCTURES.
PAVILIONS ONE, IT, LET'S SEE IF YOU CAN SEE MY CORNER ONE HERE AND ONE HERE.
AND THEN ALSO DOG PARK AMENITIES IN, IN BOTH SIDES TOO.
LIKE AGILITY AND EXERCISE AND PLAY AMENITIES IN ADDITION TO ACCESSIBLE WALKWAYS IMPROVEMENT TO THE PICNIC ROW OF ACCESSIBILITY AND SOME CONNECTOR TRAILS.
AND YOU'LL FIND THIS ONE'S MORE REASONABLE.
IF, IF I CAN OPINE, I DON'T CARE IF THAT DOG PARK WEATHERS AND DIES.
THAT'S JUST MY, THAT'S MY VIEW.
UM, THAT, THAT PARK NEEDS A LITTLE TENSION.
I, I DON'T WANNA, I WON'T, I WON'T VOTE TO SPEND A NICKEL ON THAT DOG PARK OTHER THAN TO MAINTAIN THE WAY IT IS, BECAUSE NOBODY FROM THIS, OUR COMMUNITY, EVEN THAT LIVES HERE ACTUALLY GOES THERE.
IF YOU GO TALK TO PEOPLE, THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO, WELL, MY JUST DASH, JUDY'S CHEAP, CHEAP VERSION.
I LIKE IT AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DO USE IT.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE THEY'RE FROM.
BUT, UH, MY THOUGHTS ON THE DOG PARK IS THAT IT'S WAY TOO SMALL WAY, WAY, WAY TOO SMALL AND THERE'S NO SPACE DOWN THERE TO MAKE IT BIGGER.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THE DOG PARK? MM-HMM.
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AND LAST WE HAVE PORT PROVIDENCE PARK.THIS IS A SMALL PARK ALONG THE CANAL.
THE MAIN FEATURES HERE WOULD BE A PAVILION STRUCTURE FOR SHADE AND PICNICKING AND ACCESSIBLE PICNIC GROWTH.
AND THE MAIN PART OF IT REALLY IS THE ACCESSIBLE KAYAK LAUNCH ALONG THE CANAL.
I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT AS FAR AS THE ACCESSIBLE PICNIC AREAS ARE CONCERNED, THE PARK AND REC BOARD ASKS THAT THE THREE LOWER ONES BE REMOVED AND JUST HAVE THE TWO UPPER ONES ON, ON A PATH.
THEY WERE CONCERNED WITH THE SEASONAL HIGH WATER TABLE AND FLOODING IN THE AREA AND DIDN'T WANT ANY MORE, UM, STRUCTURES OR, OR WOOD OR ANYTHING IN THAT AREA THAT BECAUSE OF THE UPKEEP AND WEAR AND TEAR, WE REALLY DO NEED THE PARKING.
UM, YEAH, THE, THE PARKING WITH THE ORGANIZED, I, I GUESS THAT'S A NICE WAY OF, OF PUTTING IT, THE ORGANIZED, ACCESSIBLE PARKING
I WONDER IF YOU COULDN'T EVEN MAKE THAT DOUBLE THE SIZE ONLY BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD BE WANTING TO PUT THEIR KAYAKS IN DOWN THERE.
THERE'S NOT MANY PLACES TO GO.
I KNOW PEOPLE STILL USE THE FITZ JOHN.
THEY PARK THERE IN THE LOT AND PUT THEIR KAYAKS IN, BUT THERE'S NOT MANY OTHER PLACES TO USE.
THE PARKING, THE PARKING COULD BE THREE TIMES THAT SIZE.
UH, THE ACCESSIBLE KAYAK LAUNCH, IS IT GONNA BE LIKE IN THE PICTURE THERE, A FLOATING, UH, A FLOATING DOCK, ESSENTIALLY THAT'S WHAT'S PROPOSED? YES.
THAT THAT'S WHAT WAS PRICED AND THEN IT, IT WOULD ROLL DOWN ON, ON THE ROLLERS DOWN TO THE WATER LEVEL.
AND, UH, BUT WOULD WE HAVE TO PULL THAT OUT IN THE WINTER SEASON OR, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU DO, BUT I'M NOT POSITIVE.
AND HOW RESISTANT IS THAT TO, UH, FLOODING TO HIGH WATER? THAT GOES UP AND DOWN WITH THE WATER.
SO IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT PERMANENT AT, AT A PERMANENT LEVEL.
TO, TO A CERTAIN, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.
SINCE JOHN SAID THAT THE PARKING COULD BE THREE TIMES BIGGER AND THAT THE TOWNSHIP OWNS THAT PARCEL RIGHT NEXT TO IT ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE MAP, AS I UNDERSTAND, UM, COULD THE PARKING BE SPREAD OVER INTO THAT TRADE LOT TO, UM, PROVIDE MORE PARKING FOR PORT PROVIDENCE? WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
I'M NOT SURE OF THE LOCATION OF FLOODPLAIN ON THAT PARCEL.
SO BEFORE I CONFIRM AND SAY, YES, WE WOULD NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, BUT IT IS, AS LONG AS THERE ARE NO ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS LIKE WETLANDS OR FLOODPLAIN, THEN YES, IT'S POTENTIALLY THERE.
AND THE COST FOR THAT ONE, INCLUDING THE THREE PIGMENT GROVES THAT ARE COMING OUT, WHICH, WHICH AREN'T THAT EXPENSIVE.
AND THEN THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE ADOPTION OF PLAN, AND THEN ADOPT THE PLAN AS A CHAPTER OF YOUR NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
USE THE ACTION PLAN AS AN IMPLEMENTATION GUIDE, AND ALSO TO HELP WITH CAPITAL, CAPITAL PLANNING, SECURE FUNDING FOR IMPROVEMENTS AND IMPLEMENT IN SEGMENTS AND OR PHASES.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AS A WORKING DOCUMENT, SOMETHING THAT, WELL, YOU CAN SEE IT'S CHANGING EVEN IN THE, IN THE MONTHS BETWEEN WHEN IT WAS SUBMITTED IN ITS FINAL DRAFT AND, AND IT'S COMING TO YOU TODAY.
IT SHOULD BE, IT SHOULD BE FLUID.
UM, THE MAJOR GOALS, OBJECTIVES SHOULD STAND, AND THE IMPLEMENTABLE ACTION ITEMS CAN VARY AND, AND BE MODIFIED.
AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE, THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES, THEY CAN SERVEE YOU FOR A GOOD SOLID 10 YEARS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE DISCUSSION, ANY QUESTIONS FOR JUDY? NO.
UH, JEFF, ARE ARE YOU ON MY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS FOR THE ADOPTION WE HAVE TO DO A RESOLUTION.
UM, WE SORT OF HAVE ONE AND A HALF PREPARED, BUT WE'LL HAVE ONE READY AND WE'LL HAVE IT ON THE AUGUST, UM, APRIL AGENDA.
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AND WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO COME BACK FOR THAT? IS THAT APRIL 19TH? THIRD MONDAY, YES.WE'LL BE HYBRID AT THAT POINT.
YOU CAN PROBABLY JUST ZOOM IN FOR IT.
THERE'S NO REASON FOR YOU TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY DOWN.
AT LEAST IN MY OPINION, IT'S UP TO YOU.
I'LL MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE AND WE CAN TOUCH BASE AS IT GETS CLOSER.
IF WHATEVER THE NEED IS, I I'LL, I WILL DO WHATEVER'S NEEDED.
YEAH, I I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GOOD COMPLETE PRESENTATION.
I THINK YOU CAN ZOOM IN, JUDY, FOR OUR NEXT MEETING.
BUT YEAH, I, I'M COMFORTABLE PUTTING A RESOLUTION ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING TO ADOPT THIS.
WE, WE NEED TO GET FORWARD, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE'RE A LITTLE BIT OUTTA DATE, SO, ALL RIGHT.
IF, IF, IF THAT'S IT FOR ME, THEN I'LL SAY GOODNIGHT UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND, AND GOOD CONVERSATION.
CAN YOU
UM, THE NEXT ITEM BILL IS THE PHOENIXVILLE.
I THINK I INCLUDED THE LETTER FROM THE MANAGER, BORO MANAGER ON THE $28,000, UH, CONTRIBUTION.
THIS IS REALLY, UM, UH, UP FOR THE BOARD TO DISCUSS.
UM, WE CERTAINLY HAVE SUFFICIENT FUNDS IN OUR OPEN SPACE IF YOU WANTED TO PROVIDE A CONTRIBUTION TO THE CONNECTOR.
UM, I THINK THE CONNECTOR, UH, I THINK THEIR ARGUMENT IS THE CONNECTOR HAS IMPROVED THE TRAIL CONNECTIVITY AROUND MONTCLAIR AND I, AND I BELIEVE THE TOTAL PROJECT THAT PHOENIX, PHIL'S PAID FOR THIS AS WELL OVER A MILLION DOLLARS, SIR.
I THINK WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, CONTRIBUTION FROM THE TOWNSHIP IS ABOUT 1.5% OF THE COSTUME.
OBVIOUSLY, UH, MADE NO COMMITMENTS EXCEPT FOR YOUR GUYS FOR DISCUSSION.
SO JUST, UH, UM, HEADS UP WITH ALL OF, WITH THIS PARTICULAR ITEM HERE, THE, UM, ORIGINALLY WHEN THIS THING CAME IN A BUNCH OF YEARS AGO, UH, UH, I BELIEVE I ASKED HOW MUCH WHETHER IT WAS GONNA COST THE TOWNSHIP ANY MONEY, AND EVERYBODY SAID, NO, IT'S NOT GONNA COST ANYBODY.
IT'S NOT GONNA COST UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP ANY MONEY.
AND THAT'S WHEN WE AGREED TO GO AHEAD WITH THIS AND SAY, OKAY, WELL, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, MAY, MAYBE JEFF, YOU CAN TELL US WHAT, WHAT DID WE, DID WE DO ANYTHING ALONG THE WAY FOR THIS THING? UH, GEORGE WATERMAN BACK THEN HAD ME ATTEND THE MEETINGS, BUT HE MADE IT CLEAR THAT THERE WAS NO PROMISE OR INTENT TO CONTRIBUTE WITH THIS PROJECT AT ALL.
JUST TECHNICAL SUPPORT AS NECESSARY.
AND ADMITTEDLY, IT REALLY WASN'T ALL THAT NECESSARY WITH THE PROJECT.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, AND, AND JUST LIAISON BETWEEN US AND THEM IF THEY NEEDED ANYTHING.
SO, YEAH, THERE WERE NO PROMISES MADE AT ANY POINT, AND WE NEVER GAVE THEM ANYTHING TO DATE.
WE NEVER, WE NEVER PROMISED, WE NEVER PROMISED THEM ANY MONEY.
NOW, I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE SHOULDN'T DONATE OR CONTRIBUTE TO, TO SOME DEGREE IN THIS THING.
ALL IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU GUYS WANNA DO, BUT I'M JUST SAYING WE MADE NO COMMITMENT BACK THEN, AND THIS WAS MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.
UM, I JUST WANTED YOU GUYS TO KNOW THAT BEFORE YOU GO AHEAD AND DECIDE ON WHAT YOU WANNA DO.
UH, LISTEN, I'M OKAY WITH THIS.
UM, I CAVEAT IS I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO WORK WITH THEM, UH, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE OF ANY FUTURE MOVES PLANS.
UH, HAVING TWO COUNTIES, TWO COMMUNITIES TOGETHER, WE, WE CAN GARNER BETTER SUPPORT FOR, UH, FUTURE GRANTS IF WE EVER GET THAT.
UM, WE'RE FIXING THE INTERSECTION THERE.
UM, IT REALLY TURNED OUT NICE AND USED IT, IT, IT'S GOT UPPER PROVINCE.
IT'S THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVE AS A COMMUNITY THAT'S SAYS UPPER PROVINCE ON THAT.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE ONE WE COULD PROBABLY STIPULATION THAT I MADE THOUSAND FOR THAT SOUND.
I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE THEM THE MONEY BECAUSE WE'RE ALL ABOUT CONNECTING IN THE TRAILS AND THEY'RE OUR NEIGHBOR AND IT'S NOT A GIGANTIC AMOUNT OF MONEY.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD NEIGHBORLY THING TO DO.
AS MUCH AS LIMERICK, AND I DON'T CARE.
I'LL SAY THIS, YOU GOT
I DON'T WANNA BE ACCUSED OF DOING WHAT, WHAT THEY GET ON THEIR R SKIN WITH.
THEY, ALTHOUGH THEY HELPED AT THAT INTERSECTIONALITY.
THEY, WE ASKED THEM AND THEY NO, UM, CAUSE THEY, LET'S JUST SAY THEY, THEY REALLY DIDN'T HAVE MUCH OF A CHOICE, BUT
WHAT, HOW ABOUT $20,000? I'M TOTALLY FINE WITH THIS.
I JUST PUT A POST-IT NOTE ON A CHECK, SAY, UH, CHECK AHEAD NEXT TIME,
WELL, THEY, THEY THINK THEY DID.
I THINK WE JUST NEED, I AGREE.
AND, AND YES, I WOULD LIKE TO PARTNER MORE WITH THEM TOO.
I'M ALSO THINKING INTO THE FUTURE ALONG THERE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, THERE IS A BIG EFFORT
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IN PHOENIXVILLE AND ACTUALLY, UH, UH, FROM SOME FOLKS OVER HERE TOO, TO TRY TO BRING RAIL TRANSPORTATION BACK TO PHOENIXVILLE IN THE FORM OF SOME TYPE OF SEPAL LINE, UH, UP THE COMMERCIAL LINES THERE.AND IF THAT GOES THROUGH, WE WILL DEFINITELY WANT TO HAVE HUGE COOPERATION WITH PHOENIXVILLE AT THAT POINT, BECAUSE THAT WILL CHANGE THE WHOLE DYNAMIC OF HOW THAT END OF THE TOWNSHIP WORKS.
BUT YEAH, I THINK IT'S IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL JUST CALL IT 28,000 FOR THE SIGN.
YEAH, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL SIGN.
AND, AND I'LL, I'LL GET A LOT OF PEOPLE MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT IT.
SO THEY DID A GOOD JOB ALSO, ALSO GUYS, AND, AND I THINK IT'S A WISE THING TO GIVE 'EM THE $28.
I DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T WANNA SAY EARLIER.
THERE IS, THERE WAS A THING IN THE WORKS A BUNCH OF YEARS AGO THAT WILL PROBABLY COME UP AGAIN.
IT USED TO BE CALLED THE SCHULE LOOP.
AND THE SCHULE LOOP WENT DOWN THE TOP PATH ROAD TO THE LOCK HOUSE.
IT WENT ALL THE WAY UP WHERE THE NEW TR WHERE THE NEW TRAIL GOES NOW.
AND EVENTUALLY THAT TRAIL WAS TO GO ACROSS BLACKROCK, UH, BRIDGE THERE, AND THEN COME BACK DOWN ON THE PHOENIX SCHOOL SIDE.
AND THEY CALL IT THE CHUKA LOOP.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S PO A POSSIBILITY IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
MAYBE NOT MY FUTURE, BUT IN THE FUTURE.
AND, UM, SO YEAH, I THINK IT'S A WISE THING.
THEY DONATE THE, THE MONEY THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
ONE OTHER NOTE IS, UM, TIM AND I, AND BILL HAD A, LIKE, KIND OF A COG MEETING, AND PHOENIXVILLE WASN'T LOOPED INTO THAT, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD IN THE FUTURE, LOOP THEM IN.
SO THAT'S KIND OF ANOTHER, LIKE, NEIGHBORLY THING THAT WE'RE DOING.
AND IT'S, IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL GOOD STUFF.
SO I WANNA BE ON GOOD TERMS. HEY, JUST ONE, UH, JUST I WANNA BACK UP ON THE LIMERICK THING, JUST TO BE CLEAR.
I HAMMER ON LIMERICK BECAUSE THEY LET THEM BUILD THAT Y M C A AND THEY SHOULD HAVE PUT THAT INTERSECTION, THEY SHOULD HAVE PAID FOR THAT INTERSECTION.
SO, UM, THEY SHOULD HAVE, WE SHOULD HAVE NEVER SPENT A NICKEL ON THAT INTERSECTION.
LIMERICK GOT SOMETHING OUT OF THAT, PROBABLY SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THEIR TOWN.
WHAT WAS THE EXACT AMOUNT? 10 28,000.
I DON'T HAVE THE LETTER IN FRONT OF ME.
AND, AND JUST FOR, UH, JUST, I THINK THE GENESIS FOR THEIR REQUEST IS THEY DID ENCOUNTER SOME PROJECT DELAYS AND SOME CHANGE, UNEXPECTED CHANGE ORDERS.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT DID CHANGE THEIR, UH, THEIR OUT-OF-POCKET COSTS A BIT.
SO I TELL YOU, PUT, PUT I THEM 50, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
I, I, I WOULD'VE GIVEN YOU MORE, PUT THAT, PUT A, PUT A, PUT A, UH, MOTION ON THE, ON THE APRIL, UH, AGENDA WITH THE EXACT AMOUNT AND WE GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS.
CAN WE DO THAT NOW? AND DON'T WE ALREADY KNOW THE NUMBER? WE DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER.
IT DOESN'T SEEM, YEAH, IT WAS IN HIS LETTER.
I JUST DON'T HAVE THE LETTER IN FRONT OF ME.
I MEAN, IT, IT'S, UM, WHAT I WILL DO IS I'LL REACH OUT TO THE BUREAU MANAGER AND INDICATE, UM, THAT, UM, WE'LL BE GETTING IT PROCESSED, SO.
WE CAN DO THAT IN A COUPLE WEEKS.
HEY, THIS NEXT ITEM IS THE COVID 19 RELIEF.
I GUESS IT'S MY TURN TO SCREEN SHARE.
JEFF, IF YOU WANNA, UH, UNSHARE AND I'LL SHARE MY SCREEN IF I CAN.
HERE, LET ME, YOU, YOU CAN NOW YOU'RE CO-HOST AGAIN.
SO CO-HOSTING IS LIKE KELLY AND WHAT'S HIS NAME?
I'M TRYING TO FIND MY SLIDE HERE, WHICH I, UH, I'M NOT SURE IF I'M KELLY RIPPER OR RYAN SEACREST AT THIS STAGE.
WELL, YOU KNOW KELLY RIPPER, THAT'S FOR SURE.
I WAS PRETTY GOOD RESTRAINT, JOHN.
YOU'RE LIKE, I LIKE THAT YOU STOPPED THERE.
CAN EVERYBODY SEE THAT SCREEN? IT'S YES.
UM, I'M STILL TRYING TO GET INTO THE WEEDS ON THIS, AND I, I
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PUT THIS BY SAYING, UH, ON THE FRONT, THAT'S THE US TREASURY IS CHARGED WITH THE OVERSIGHT OF THE ACT, AND THEY'VE YET TO PUT OUT THEIR OFFICIAL GUIDANCE.SO A LOT OF THIS IS STILL KIND OF PRELIMINARY, HEARSAY, BUT HERE'S THE, HERE'S WHAT I, I CAN SAY PRETTY MUCH WITH CONFIDENCE IS THAT, UM, OUR TOTAL, UM, SHARE IS, UM, A WRAP.
IT'S ABOUT, IT ESTIMATES ABOUT A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER CAPITA.
UM, AND, UH, UH, SO THAT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT 2.4 MILLION THAT WE'LL BE GETTING THROUGH THE DISTRIBUTIONS.
AND, UM, WE'LL BE GETTING THE FIRST HALF OF THIS DISTRIBUTION ON JUNE, 2021 AND THE SECOND HALF ON JUNE 22.
AND I THINK THEY LEARNED, UH, I THINK WASHINGTON LEARNED FROM THEIR LAST INFRASTRUCTURE BILL THAT, UH, THAT IT'S NICE TO SAY SHOVEL-READY PROJECTS, BUT NOT AS MANY PEOPLE HAVE SHOVEL READY PROJECTS IN, IN PLACE.
SO, UM, THEY'RE GIVING ALL COMMUNITIES, UH, UNTIL DECEMBER 31ST, 2024 TO FULLY EXPEND, UH, THESE FUNDS.
UM, SOME OF THE NOTEWORTHY HIGHLIGHTS OF THIS, UM, I, UH, I, I CAN, I, I DON'T WANNA GET TOO MUCH IN THE WEEDS, IS, UM, THE ONE PORTION OF IT IS, UH, IT'S USED FOR THE RESPONDING TO THE COVID 19, UH, EMERGENCY AND ITS NEGATIVE IMPACTS, UH, THIS IN, UH, INCLUDES ANY UNREASONABLE COSTS, UH, FOR RESPONDING TO THE COVID 19 EMERGENCY INCLUDES AID TO HOUSEHOLDS, UH, SMALL BUSINESSES, NONPROFITS, INDUSTRIES SUCH AS TOURISM AND HOSPITALITY, UH, TO ADDRESS THE, UH, UH, NEGATIVE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THE PANDEMIC.
UM, IT SAYS NONPROFITS WOULD INCLUDE, UM, UH, ENTITIES SUCH AS VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND THE NONPROFIT AMBULANCE COMPANIES AND AUTHORITIES ARE ALSO, UH, ELIGIBLE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE PIECE OF INFORMATION I GOT AS FAR AS AS THAT, UM, THIS ONE I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND.
I'LL READ IT AND MAYBE YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT IT MEANS.
IT SAYS, PROVIDING PREMIUM PAY TO ELIGIBLE WORKERS, PERFORMING ESSENTIAL WORK OR GRANTS ELIGIBLE TO EMPLOYERS THAT HAVE ELIGIBLE WORKERS.
IT SAYS, UH, PREMIUM PAY COULD NOT EXCEED, UH, $13 PER HOUR OR $25,000 PER WORKER.
UM, ELIGIBLE WORKERS ARE THOSE NEEDED TO MAINTAIN CONTINUITY OF OPERATIONS OF ESSENTIAL CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND ARE DESIGNATED BY AS AND ARE DESIGNATED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UM, TOWNSHIP EMPLOYEES DESIGNATED AS ELIGIBLE WORKERS COULD BE GIVEN BONUSES OR THE TOWNSHIP COULD PROVIDE GRANTS TO EMPLOYERS OF ELIGIBLE WORKERS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW REALLY KIND OF WHAT THAT MEANS, SO I'M DIGGING INTO THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S, UH, IT WOULD BE AT ONE OF OUR HIGH PRIORITIES.
UM, THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE LOSS, REVENUE REPLACEMENT, UH, FOR THE PROVISIONS OF GOVERNMENT SERVICES, UM, FOR DETERMINING LOST REVENUE DUE TO COVID 19.
UH, THE ACT USES 2019 AS THE BASE YEAR, SO THE FEDERAL FUNDS CAN BE USED TO REPLACE THE LOST REVENUES, UH, SUCH AS REDUCTIONS IN IN LIQUID FUELS REVENUES, EARNED INCOME TAX REVENUES, REAL ESTATE TAX REVENUES, OR IMPACT FEE.
SO, UM, UH, UH, OUR CONSULTANTS FROM PFM HAVE THIS INFORMATION, SO WE'RE GONNA BE DOING, PROBABLY DOING SOME NUMBER CRUNCHING AS PART OF OUR, AS PART OF OUR, UM, ANALYSIS.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE BEEN AS IMPACTED BY E I T AS SOME OTHER TOWNS, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.
UH, LET'S JUST SAY WE HAD A LOSS THERE.
WE COULD TAKE THIS MONEY AND FILL THAT.
SO, UM, AND IT DOESN'T REALLY SAY THAT THAT EXCESS MONEY IS, WOULD HAVE TO GO TO ANY PARTICULAR USE.
YOU COULD PROBABLY TRANSFER TO YOUR CAPITAL FUND, I'M GUESS, FOR, UH, UH, OTHER QUALIFIED PROJECTS.
THE, THE NEXT ITEM HERE IS, UH, MAKE NECESSARY INVESTMENTS IN WATER, SEWER, AND BROADBAND INFRASTRUCTURE.
IT SAYS TOWNSHIP OFFICIALS SHOULD NOTE THAT THIS ITEM DOES NOT SPECIFY ROADS AND BRIDGES DOWN THERE.
I PUT PROHIBITIONS ROAD IN ROAD INFRAS.
AMAZINGLY, ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT INCLUDED.
I'M SU I SUSPECT THAT'S BECAUSE WASHINGTON IS CONSIDERING ANOTHER SEPARATE INFRASTRUCTURE BILL THAT WILL ADDRESS ROADS AND BRIDGES, BUT IT'S SPEC SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED FROM THIS, UH, RELIEF BILL.
UM, IT SAYS THE FUNDS COULD BE USED TO PROVIDE BROADBAND, UH, FOR RESIDENTS SUCH AS A HOTSPOT AT TOWNSHIP BUILDINGS OR PARKS.
UH, TOWNSHIPS ARE ALSO ABLE TO TRANSFER FUNDS TO A MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY FOR ONE OF THOSE PURPOSES.
I BELIEVE YOU CAN USE THIS FOR OUR, SOME OF OUR MS FOUR PROJECTS AND SOME OF OUR E P A MANDATED FUNDS FOR MS FOUR.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S A LEGITIMATE, UM, EXPENSE.
UM, AND, UM, AND I THINK I MENTIONED WATER, SEWER AND BROADBAND.
I, I THINK, UM, THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IN TINDI RUN AND PLEASANT, PLEASANT LANE THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO, I THINK WOULD BE QUALIFIED PROJECTS
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THAT WE COULD APPLY THAT TO.UM, SO, UM, IT, UM, IT'S VERY SPECIFIC ON WHAT'S INCLUDED AND WHAT'S NOT INCLUDED.
AND UM, AND OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T USE THE PROHIBITIONS, YOU CANNOT USE IT TO BOOST PENSION FUNDS.
UM, YOU CAN'T USE IT TO OFFSET REVENUE SOURCES AND, UM, AND ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS.
BILL HAD ASKED ME EARLIER ABOUT, UH, PARKS AND IT'S VERY GRAY ON THAT AND WHETHER WE CAN USE IT FOR PARK STRUCTURE.
SO I'M STILL TRYING TO DIG DOWN A LITTLE BIT ON THAT.
WELL, OR, UH, TIM, WE COULDN'T USE IT.
LIKE I KNOW WE PUT OFF OUR, OUR ROAD B PLAN, WE ONLY DID A THIS YEAR CUZ OF COVID.
WE CAN'T USE IT FOR ROADS AND WE CAN'T USE IT FOR ROADS.
UM, YOU CAN USE, YOU CAN KIND OF BACK PROBABLY BACKFILL IT.
YOU CAN USE, IF YOU, IF WE FIND OUT THAT WE HAD A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT, UH, WE LOST BECAUSE OF COVID AND E I T REVENUES, THAT EXTRA MONEY YOU CAN PROBABLY PUT INTO CAPITAL AND DO THE PROJECTS THAT WAY.
SO, HEY TIM, TO, TO HELENE'S POINT, I, I DO THINK THAT BETWEEN THE ASCHEN FILTER CULVERT, UM, SPRING MILL, PLEASANT LANE, AND, UM, THE CAROLINE DRIVE STORM WORK, I THINK THOSE THREE PROJECTS ALL WOULD BE ELIGIBLE AND WOULD THEN, UM, FREE UP FUNDING IN THE GENERAL FUND.
OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BRIAN.
AND I THINK THOSE THREE PROJECTS WOULD, UM, JUST ABOUT GOBBLE UP THAT 1.2 MILLION THAT WE EXPECT THIS YEAR.
AREN'T THOSE ITEMS ALREADY ON THE BUDGET OR IN THE BUDGET? YEAH.
AND THAT, THAT, AGAIN, LIKE, LIKE TIM ALLUDED TO, THE TREASURY DEPARTMENT SUPPOSED TO PUT OUT SOME REAL CLEAR AND DETAILED GUIDANCE ON THIS, WHICH WE LACK AT THIS POINT.
SO IT'S HARD TO EVEN HAVE THE CONVERSATION, UM, THAT MAY SAY THAT THAT STRATEGY I JUST DISCUSSED WOULD BE INELIGIBLE.
UM, OR IT MAY BE ELIGIBLE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE.
SO, UM, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AND HAVE IN THE BACK OF EVERYBODY'S MIND THAT THIS FUNDING IS, IS LIKELY COMING OUR WAY.
UM, BUT IN THE ABSENCE OF THAT CLEAR DIRECTION, IT'S HARD TO TALK ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT WE PROPOSE DOING IT QUITE YET.
ANOTHER THING THAT'S GIVEN ME A LITTLE BIT OF INDIGESTION ON THIS IS IF ANYBODY KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT CD BG GRANTS, WHICH ARE FUNDING FUND PROJECTS THAT USE FEDERAL MONIES, ANYTIME YOU USE FEDERAL MONIES, YOU HAVE TO, UM, YOU HAVE TO USE WHAT'S CALLED DAVIS BACON ACTS.
AND YOU THINK PREVAILING WAGE LAWS ARE DIFFICULT IN THE STATE.
UM, THE, THE DAVIS BACON LAWS, YOU MIGHT AS WELL TAKE THE PAPERWORK TIMES TWO.
UM, AND THEY HAVE A MUCH LOWER THRESHOLD FOR WHAT CONSTITUTES A SEALED BED.
SO, UM, I'VE, I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE WORDS DAVIS BACON, BUT I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IRS OR THE TREASURY REGULATIONS ARE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE THE DAVIS BACON REGULATIONS, UM, ATTACHED TO SOME OF THESE BILLS.
SO, WHICH ONLY INCREASES THE, IT INCREASES THE COST OF THE PROJECTS.
SO WELL, LET, LET'S BE CLEAR ON WHAT WE DID RELATED TO COVID.
WHEN WE PASSED OUR BUDGET, UH, THIS PAST YEAR, WE TOOK OUT ALMOST ALL OF THE CAPITAL PROJECTS.
WE DIDN'T ATTEMPT ANY OF THESE PARK UPGRADES, WHICH WERE, WE HAD ALREADY WAS ALREADY IN THE HOPPER AT THE TIME, EVEN THOUGH WE HADN'T APPROVED THE PLAN.
AND, UH, WE DIDN'T REALLY SEE A FALL IN OUR EARNED INCOME TAX.
WE DIDN'T GET, UH, THE NORMAL INCREASE THAT WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, YEAR TO YEAR WITH, UH, WITH INFLATION AND ALL THAT.
SO I, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT IF WE'RE GOING, IF, IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOMEWHERE TO SPEND THIS MONEY, I THINK WE OUGHT TO PUT, UH, SOME CAP, UH, CAPITAL PROJECT BACK ON THE BACK ON THE, UH, ON THE CLIPBOARD, UH, AND MAYBE ONE OF THESE PARKS, UH, UPGRADES TO DO WITH THAT MONEY.
BUT I'LL LET EVERYBODY THINK ABOUT IT FOR A WHILE.
THAT'S JUST MY THINKING THAT THAT'S WHAT WHAT WE ACTUALLY DID IN RELATION TO COVID.
WE TOOK ALL THOSE CAPITAL PROJECTS OUT AND WE STAYED WITH A VERY FLAT, VERY AUSTERE BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR.
AND, YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOK, UM, AT OUR, UM, NEW, UM, WHATEVER WE'RE GONNA CALL IT, A LIBRARY OR A LIBRARIAN OR, OR WHATEVER, IT'S GONNA HAVE A LOT OF TECHNOLOGY IN IT.
SO I'D BE CURIOUS HOW MUCH, WHAT, WHAT PER PERCENTAGE OF THAT YOU COULD USE IF YOU WANTED TO INVEST IT INTO OUR BROADBAND INFRASTRUCTURE.
THAT'S, I FOUND THAT A LITTLE INTERESTING.
WELL, RIGHT NOW, ALL OF OUR BROADBANDS PROVIDED THROUGH THE, UH, THROUGH, UH, VERIZON AND MM-HMM.
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COVER? UH, IT'S VERY GRAY.IT'S VERY GRAY ON SOME OF THOSE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE DO HAVE BROADBAND FIBER, IF, IF, IF IT'S LIMITED TO JUST THAT.
THAT'S ONE THING I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO GO AFTER, UH, THE WHOLE ISSUES WITH RURAL, UH, UH, THE, THE LACK OF BROADBAND ACCESS IN RURAL AREAS.
SO I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA SEE MORE OF THE RURAL COUNTIES TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
ANYWAY, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S, UH, THE, THAT'S THE CURRENT, UM, STANDING OF WHERE WE ST AS WE GET MORE DETAILS, I'LL KEEP THE BOARD POSTED.
SO YEAH, I THINK WE'LL DEFINITELY NEED SOME MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS AS WE GO FORWARD.
I'M GONNA STOP SHARING JEFF, SO, ALRIGHT.
AND OUR LAST ORDER, OUR LAST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO, UH, APPOINT WILLIAM CASPER TO THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY BOARD TO FILL THE, THE VACANT TERM THAT, UH, THAT JACK CRAFT, UH, LEFT WHEN HE, HE HAD TO RESIGN.
AND BY THE WAY, I WANT TO THANK JACK AGAIN PUBLICLY FOR HIS YEARS OF SERVICE ON THE BOARD, BUT, UH, I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THIS.
DID, DID WE SEND RESUMES OUT TO EVERYBODY WHO WAS ELIGIBLE FOR THIS? CAUSE I DON'T RECALL.
UH, WE HAD TWO PEOPLE THAT, THAT SHOWED, UH, INTEREST IN THIS AND, UH, YEAH, I THINK EVERYONE SAW THOSE AS THERE WAS, I THINK THEY WERE IN MY REPORT.
YEAH, I THINK THEY, YEAH, THEY CAME THROUGH THE RESUMES.
WHAT'S THAT? THE RESUMES OUT? THERE WERE ONLY TWO.
BUT DID THE RESUMES COME OUT? YES.
I CAN TALK A LITTLE ABOUT, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MR. CASPER'S.
I'M JUST MAKING SURE I'M OKAY WITH IT.
WE HAD TWO VERY SOLID CANDIDATES AND WELL, AND I KNOW THE OTHER GUY.
I I, I'VE, I'VE HEARD ABOUT THE OTHER GUY.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE CAUSE I MISSED THE, THE RESUMES AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LETTING THEM, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.
AND JOHN AND I INTERVIEWED BOTH OF THEM AND YES.
AND I THINK THEY WERE IN ONE OF REPORTS.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT, UH, BILL CASPER TO MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY TO FILL A VACANT TERM THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST, 2024.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPOINT WILLIAM CASPER TO THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY TO FILL A VACANT TERM THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST, 2024.
I WILL CALL THE ROLL SUPERVISOR.
SO MS. SK CAN GET A, A NOTE DOUBT TO, UH, MR. CASPER AND THEN FOR HIM, AND HOPEFULLY HE CAN JOIN THEIR, THEIR MEETING LATER THIS WEEK.
I PUT OTHER BUSINESS, UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT, UM, THAT'S MORE OF A CATCHALL, BUT I, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE RIGHT NOW.
ACTUALLY, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION TO BRIAN.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS NOTICED, BUT SINCE THIS WHOLE YEAR OF COVID, THERE'S SO MUCH TRASH ON THE ROAD EVERYWHERE.
UM, WE'RE 22 ALL OVER THE TOWNSHIP.
IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST ACCUMULATED.
AND I KNOW WE'RE STILL IN THE DEPTHS OF THIS, AND IT'S NOT, I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS STATE PROGRAM IS SET UP TO HAVE, I HAVEN'T SEEN PEOPLE GOING OUT AND PICKING UP TRASH.
THEY'LL BE BUSY, BUT CAN YOU CHECK IN ON THAT, BRIAN? YEAH, I CAN RE I CAN REACH OUT TO, UM, OH, HER NAME ESCAPES ME FROM THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY, FROM MONTGOMERY COUNTY, UH, CORRECTIONAL CENTER.
SO, CAN CAN WE JUST, IF EACH US, EXCUSE ME, IF EACH OF US GAVE, UH, BRIAN A, UM, A LIST OF THE STREETS THAT WE SEE THAT REALLY NEED IT, THEN THEY CAN DIRECT THOSE GUYS ONTO THOSE STREETS.
HOLLOW HOLLOW ROAD IS A REALLY BAD, IT'S REALLY BAD.
AGAIN, ALSO, IF THEY'RE STILL SENDING, UM, FOLKS OUT TO DO THAT CLEANUP, I'LL BE GLAD TO DIRECT THEM TO THOSE LOCATIONS.
IF ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WANNA SPECIFY.
I DO, I DO KEEP A LIST OR AT LEAST CAN REFER BACK TO THE LIST FROM YEARS PAST.
IT'S USUALLY THE SAME LOCATIONS WHERE IT ACCUMULATES.
UM, AS AN ASIDE, UH, SUE AND SARAH HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE PERIO AND WATERSHED AND THEIR ANNUAL CLEANUP, WHICH IS, HAS EXPANDED FAR BEYOND JUST THE PER YOMEN CREEK.
AND THERE ARE NUMEROUS SITES IN THE TOWNSHIP THAT ARE GONNA BE CLEANED UP ON, I THINK IT'S APRIL 8TH AND NINTH, THE FIRST FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.
THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF CORPORATE PARTNERS TO DO IT ON THE FRIDAY WE'RE IN, WE'RE INVOLVED AS IN, IN ONE OF THOSE LOCATIONS, UM, AS THE TOWNSHIP.
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CLEANUP ON, UH, SATURDAY THE NINTH.SO SHOULD SEE SOME PROGRESS THOSE ON THOSE DATES AS WELL.
IS THAT LIKE EARTH DAY USUALLY? COURT.
THEY, THEY, THEY DO RIGHT AROUND EARTH DAY EVERY YEAR.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING, ANY OTHER BUSINESS THEY WANNA DISCUSS? ANYTHING YOU WANNA DISCUSS IN GENERAL? ALL RIGHT, I'LL, UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
WILL THIS DO THIS ONE THE OLD FASHIONED WAY? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.